h1-discussion

[latent moon]

i'm assuming you mean like charged shot?

because every damage modifier boon is either flat damage or % additive

[lone sable]

The one on the bow that makes the special do +3dmg for each consecutive hit

I dont remember names

[latent moon]

oh concentrated volley

before

hammers that change your damage get applied before the % damage buff

except hoarding slash

[lone sable]

Thanks

[high island]

I am pretty sure the hitbox of Crush Shot is a cone with a bit of a dead zone at the center of origin. And I am pretty sure that Blown Kiss stretches the hitbox of your Cast, which increases its range but also the dead zone. So you need to undershoot your arrows a bit more. It's a problem with Flurry Shot because you can't undershoot with it, but otherwise it's fine.

[pulsar hemlock]

Can somebody tell me why aspect of chaos (shield) is good? 🤔

[tired karma]

We can't

Because it isn't

[sour fog]

I like it, but general consensus here is that it isn't.

The extra special shots don't really bounce and the impact is low

[pulsar hemlock]

Okay

[high island]

It's good because base shield is good.

[tired karma]

Hestia is Bestia

[brisk trail]

does hoarding slash have a cap?

[raw herald]

No

[brisk trail]

👀

shoot dang.

[lone sable]

Hoarding slash with the hermes thing that gives money per room

Funny

[brisk trail]

i legit have that right now. 🤣

[lone sable]

What rarity on the boon?

[brisk trail]

i don't think it has one, so whatever the base is.

[high island]

They're asking about Side Hustle rarity.

Not the hammer.

[brisk trail]

right. i assumed they were. and it looked blank to me. i didn't see a rarity on it.

also, that run was my first victory!

[high island]

If it's white, it's common.

Congratulations!

Time for #h1-victory-boasting.

[brisk trail]

Hammer deez nuts

[brisk trail]

Nyaanyaa, do you know what ISN’T common?

[raw herald]

Sub 5s

[tired karma]

Unseeded 64 heat clear

[brisk trail]

what artemis said: you must have a friend or two, don't you?
what i heard: you must have a front door too, don't you?

[brisk trail]

Ok

[wise void]

Any tips for clearing 32 heat🤧

[analog elbow]

There's a pinned message in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[wise void]

Thanks a lot

[tired karma]

I think I'm the only player who doesn't like or enjoy Beowulf

[native blade]

Why?

[tired karma]

I find it boring

[chrome heath]

If you have specific doubts feel free to ask

I sure do ask a lot

At the hi heat channel of course

[waxen garnet]

What weapons do you like?

[tired karma]

Demeter, Hestia, Eris, Nemesis, Arthur, Achilles, Poseidon and Zag rail+fists+sword

[mint coral]

i've seen a fair amount of players who dont like cuz it feels cluncky so def not the only one

but this server is basically beo propaganda lol

funny mirage shot and what other bug

[chrome heath]

Do i hear the ungrateful sound of HERESY ?

[waxen garnet]

nods I wwas going to guess you don't like Beo or Hera because it is just big burst damage with little build up ... kinda why I like Demeter myself because it is very much my endure then explode playstyle.

Kinda surprised you don't care for Zag Sword thoug?

[mint coral]

wut

[tired karma]

I added zag sword

[waxen garnet]

Lol sneaky

[tired karma]

If you make merciful end demeter is constantly high damage

[regal wraith]

guys I cant open secret aspect of twin fist I maxed 3 twin fist aspect

[mint coral]

thats just ME tho

it basically works on every melee

[mint coral]

rng issue

[tired karma]

Same with Dio+Aphro

[waxen garnet]

Got to talk with Asterius in Elysium to get the waking phrase

[analog elbow]

You may need to get through some lore

[mint coral]

just be sure you have the talk with asterius while wearing the fists before you can get the phrase

[regal wraith]

I know but I killed like 3-4 times (1v1 not asterius and theseus)

[regal wraith]

I did

[mint coral]

then just gotta get luckier

[regal wraith]

oh is it random?

[mint coral]

in short, yeah

[regal wraith]

thanks

[waxen garnet]

Hmm ... is it random? I guess that makes sense since Rama took forever for me to unlock even though Artemis was one of my main gods to chase

I am a slow typer too

[mint coral]

game has a list of dialogues that the games chooses, some with priority than others

so also try and avoid important bits of asterius-theseus so the phrase doesnt get pushed back further

[waxen garnet]

In that case if theybstart giving you one liners without fists then taking fists would guarantee the Gilgamesh aspect, right

[mint coral]

on a second file i got to credits so quickly that i got the talk with Achilles about beating dad for the first time after the ending lol

[waxen garnet]

Lol nice

[mint coral]

not exactly, having the requisites (talk about fists with Asterius, + 5 blood invested on fists) will put the dialogue on the list but still can not get picked

fists is rough cuz you still gotta get that 50/50 between him or the B.ball

[waxen garnet]

Huh really? Im kinda surprised the one-liners that happen once you encounter the bosses enough have any priority to be picked.

Then again Im assuming no other triggers will be procced during the run.

[mint coral]

you also can see it alot when people ask how to keep quests like achilles and pat and alike to continue

cuz they have everything yet it still doesnt proc

is frustrating sometimes lol

[high island]

Well, it's either the best aspect in the game or shares that spot.

[mint coral]

Beo moment

[rustic falcon]

wow i did not expect chiron to have a boss fight at all and it to be so tough

[high island]

Charon.

[wise void]

Do you guys know the system requirements for hades 2

[stone rune]

computer

[wise void]

Bruh

I play on a 10 year old pc with no gpu🗿

[analog elbow]

Probably similar to Hades

[rustic falcon]

does life affirmation boon affect chthonic vitality

[mint coral]

no, that affect max health gains

tho i think nourished soul affects it?

goes from 3 to 4

[brazen matrix]

Yes

[mint coral]

or im thinking of the wrong skill (chtonic vit is the +3 each room right)

[brazen matrix]

Nourished Soul = Increase all sources of heal
Including Chtonic Vilality

[rustic falcon]

ah i see

[mint coral]

and on that topic, life affirm doesnt affect the heart that Than drops

for whatever reason

[rustic falcon]

oh it doesnt

isnt it supposed to affect all the max healh things tho

also when does thanatos appear in the house

i want to give gift to him

[mint coral]

when he feels like it

[rustic falcon]

do i need to beat him in the killing room for him to appear a bit more

or have increased chance to appear when i go back to house

[gray apex]

Has no correlation as far as I know

[rustic falcon]

ah i see, thanks

so just random

[latent moon]

@narrow wadi doesn't like beo lol

[high island]

Nourished Soul doesn't affect Chthonic Vitality on LC4. (unedited)

[regal wraith]

guys

how can I get hades call?

[rustic falcon]

what duo is sweet nectar part of

[waxen garnet]

Get mom to come back home

[waxen garnet]

Aphro Posei

[latent moon]

Doesn't it make you heal 4 per room

[regal wraith]

thanks

[waxen garnet]

Lol no problem

[high island]

No, it don't do dat on LC4. (unedited)

[latent moon]

Then what does make you heal 4 per room because a boon definitely does that

[rustic falcon]

wait flood shot?

[waxen garnet]

Regarding Nourished Soul and Cthonic Vitality: that seems counter intuitive tbh, but then again certain healing effects like Cursed Slash for Sword and Stubborn Roots duo still work with LC4 so ... shrug

[waxen garnet]

? Flood Shot is Posei cast boon; Mirage shot is Artemis+Posei

[mint coral]

cant believe im booting up hades in months just to check this

[latent moon]

Lmfao

I'm very confident nourished soul affects chthonic vitality

[mint coral]

like i also sure it was ns that made it 4

cant write today it seems

[waxen garnet]

It might depend on rounding too; like I think the common is too little to affect it

[mint coral]

also doesnt help all my last runs were lc4 so i dont have fresh memory of it

[latent moon]

What's 30% of 3 lol

.9 so idk if the game would round up for that

[waxen garnet]

Is that the common? I thought the epic was like 32%

Also it depends on what function the programmers used to round if they used one at all (iirc no rounding function would simply truncate anything after the decimal point for integer type variables so even 3.9999999 would still be 3)

[mint coral]

common works

just got +4

[high island]

Hackers.

I evidently play too much with LC4.

[latent moon]

I take it in speedruns because it's unpommable lol

[high island]

I don't because I only get good boons in speedruns.

[latent moon]

True

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751198390892888294/1068203643712577546/2023012613184501-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4

aigth time to not open hades for a while

[high island]

But gotta warm up for Hades II.

[mint coral]

maybe when i figure how to fix the sd card reader on my switch so game doesnt take ages to load

or when i have money for pc version

[sour fog]

yeah if you have 3 Cthonic you get 4 with Nourished soul

[high island]

Y'all don't need to repeat what SomeNoobDying just showed lol.

[waxen garnet]

Ah neat

[high island]

I am always right.

[sour fog]

sorry didn't see the video, I read from the bottom

[waxen garnet]

Im not, but give me enough time and I will be 😛

[high island]

That's not the same.

In the past, present, and future, I am always right.

[latent moon]

Except with nourished soul and chthonic vitality

[waxen garnet]

Didnt say it was 😉

[high island]

No, I was right. Nourished Soul has no effect on Chthonic Vitality on LC4.

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067050251845910568/1068212306972004354/image0.jpg

Breaking News!

Purple Squid is a heretic.

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-no-one-cares-gif-18925814

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067050251845910568/1068213012185485412/image0.jpg

[high island]

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[silver mica]

I am so utterly disappointed

I was

One shot

Away from winning that run

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[silver mica]

Gonna see if I can

Farm coins

By constantly reselling duo boons

Never tried it before

[brisk trail]

i played fallen order for the first time in years and i suck so i got off

so i could play another game that makes me mad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057825367987077130/1068230330080837652/image.png

[latent moon]

true

[native blade]

What weapon would an Ares build be best with.

[latent moon]

if you're building around doom, probably fists/sword, idk what's better for ME

for slicing shot, achilles

[silver mica]

Bruh I thought hypnos was supposed to give advice on how not to die

I let myself get killed by the doomstone bc I didn't wanna use gun

And bro said "Next time stand in one place, it'll be over quicker that way"

[slender mist]

Oh my gosh

Well, it's...advice?

Maybe not helpful

[rustic falcon]

i mean he is right in some way

[latent moon]

maybe use the gun

[high island]

Depends on your goals.

[high island]

Probably Beowulf.

[latent moon]

true

phalanx flare -> curse of agony -> divine flourish -> ME

actually prob better to start curse of agony

either way

MEowulf based

[rustic falcon]

omg i just got greater recall sea storm duo

and i have privilleged status

this is gonna be fun

[latent moon]

what

greater recall and sea storm? how are those related at all

[stone rune]

theres a duo boon between the gods greater recal and sea storm

pretty simple

[latent moon]

clearly

what does pstatus have to do with this either lmao

[brisk trail]

what % does dodge chance cap at?

[hollow granite]

How can i post a picture

[latent moon]

image link

[hollow granite]

Because i did something and if i just say what i did it won't be as cool

[latent moon]

or upload to imgur

[latent moon]

none

dodge is additive, so you can get it to over 100%

[brisk trail]

[stone rune]

post in another server and copy image url

[rustic falcon]

oh i meant greater recall, and have sea storm duo

[hollow granite]

I did this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683094068766572868/1068239891030351912/image.png

[latent moon]

lmfao

absolutely based

[stone rune]

lol

[hollow granite]

Is this enough scaling

[stone rune]

incredibly gaming

[stone rune]

needs lvl75 at least to be viable tbh

[latent moon]

yeah probably

it's doing like 265%?

[hollow granite]

Got duo from aph and pos in tartarus while having Persephone's thing all game

[mint coral]

Amazing

[hollow granite]

I did 1200 dmg with perfect shot

[latent moon]

zag bow?

or rama

[hollow granite]

Zag

[latent moon]

based

[stone rune]

non crit??

[latent moon]

how much on crit

[hollow granite]

1600 i think?

[latent moon]

gamer

should be higher tho i think

[mint coral]

Is this with twin/triple?

[hollow granite]

Twin

And explosive

[latent moon]

big damage

that got me curious and wanted to see how much damage lvl 34 crush shot would do

it's about 500 lmao

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1068242221108834305/output.png

[mint coral]

Haelian did that iirc

[latent moon]

oh yeah he did

lvl 51 is about 600 lol

[mint coral]

I think my most fun sweet nectar was rip current on like 15+

Had smair too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/896859166453428264/2021101017375900-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg off by 4 lvls but still

[latent moon]

bruh lmfao

[stone rune]

brightness detected

[mint coral]

I no longer play with that bright dw

[solar haven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/691154960326459392/1068270391686090752/20230126_134418.jpg

Ever feel the game is punishing you for being greedy

[native blade]

Yes.

[solar haven]

Chaos gate, midas for gold, and now when I actually get a heart, trial for two that I really like the boons of

[tired karma]

I shouldn't have picked up EM4 for my 46 heat run

Almost defeated Hades though

[high island]

You have enough HP though.

[solar haven]

I'm not comfortable unless I have 200 hp :v

250 preferably

Just lost E4 Hades with 325 and Hestia

[solar vault]

I've been hearing that complaining really helps your rng

I got aphro twice in tartarus, and she just didn't give me crush shot for hera even after I rerolled both of them????

[solar vault]

Went for phalanx shot instead, and now in styx aphro's offering me a replacement

[woeful finch]

If I purge a Hermes can I Get another

[raw herald]

You can get a max of 2 Hermes from room rewards and you can get another in styx shop

If you purge one you won’t get an extra

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067890742640509058/1068309703039385732/image.png

Bouldy will carry.

[latent moon]

Bouldy moment

[latent moon]

If this happens, take whatever core she offers so the next boon will be basically guaranteed to be crush shot

[brisk trail]

let it be known bouldy's good blessings are required for the theoretical highest damage output

[latent moon]

It adds variety

God mode just negates hard labor and that's it

And lc4 SD I suppose

[brisk trail]

damn first time i get the rocket/cluster bomb combo and its with hestia 🙄

[latent moon]

Still good tho lol

[native blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067050251845910568/1068323616900534372/image.png

@high island I say we execute him.

[worn crag]

bruh those are private dms wtf

but its true tho

[worn crag]

im just kidding btw i didnt wanna say it cause i thought it would be too obvious

[brisk trail]

oh charm stops hades from healing on em4 💀

[latent moon]

Aphrodite cast is best on hera

Decent on pos and Achilles

[worn crag]

ohhh that

i can see it

[worn crag]

what is pos

[brisk trail]

piece of sh—poseidon

[stone rune]

heresy

[worn crag]

what???

yall.... like it???

[stone rune]

me when the entirety of ares:

[worn crag]

ares is pretty situational tbh

[latent moon]

I mean it's basically how you can play sword without actually playing sword

50% more damage on cast damage is also pretty big considering casts have excellent pom scaling

[brisk trail]

got my first sub15 on sword with posei its greatttt

[latent moon]

Also like even if no one likes pos sword, Aphrodite cast is just an option

Well let then do what they want

If they want to go up heat with god mode it's fine

[worn crag]

sniper shot or point blank shot

[brisk trail]

point blank

[high island]

Why don't you ask the sacred crocodiles when they devour you, heretic.

[worn crag]

why

what did i do

omg im sorry im new to the game

i guess it was cause i only used aphrodites cast when i was new and bad

ill try it out

just pls stop being mean to me for having the wrong im literally crying and shaking and quivering rn

[raw herald]

same

[high island]

All of Lady Aphrodite's boons are perfectly perfect in every way.

[solar vault]

even empty inside

[raw herald]

Me when free nectar Pom gets eaten up by broken resolve

[worn crag]

wb cold embrace

[raw herald]

Or is it different league

[stone rune]

amazing

[high island]

Cold Embrace is perfect just the way it is.

[proud lodge]

You know what I really like about this game? That you can interact with so many "unimportant" characters as well - like the shades. I love that I can give Fish to the Chef ❤️

[brisk trail]

can do no wrong

[mint coral]

best character

[brisk trail]

idk a better fishmonger in the underworld

[worn crag]

wb parting shot

[proud lodge]

Agreed. They gave him some mad knife skills too

[solar vault]

I love watching him just cut onions like a pro

[native blade]

Without Flaw, if there is one the flaw is you.

[brisk trail]

best shade has to be zagreus' only fan in elysium

[native blade]

Nope.

Patty

[high island]

Even common Broken Resolve is +17% HP. And opens up Unhealthy Fixation. Very underrated boon.

[brisk trail]

not fair he has like body parts

[proud lodge]

I secretly think the Bone Hydra is massively misunderstood and just wants Pets like Cerberus does

[worn crag]

yep

[worn crag]

who is patty

[native blade]

I like this Headcanon.

[native blade]

Patroclus.

[mint coral]

Patroclus

[native blade]

Jinx

[worn crag]

ohhhh

he dont count

[high island]

Is that why Lernie head-slams? Trying to get pets.

[worn crag]

hes just a dude the shades are like those uhh ghost guys

[proud lodge]

LOVE MEEEEEE *pat pat

[mint coral]

"that blasted hydra never listen to my feedback* > it never listens to calm down so it can be pet

[native blade]

I like to think all the mini hydras are just the other heads in infancy.

[stone rune]

and achilles for that matter

[high island]

Patroclus is one of those ghost guys lol.

[mint coral]

Yeah they are all ghost dudes

[native blade]

Lel, true whenever he comes to visit.

[mint coral]

They are just fancy

[native blade]

I bet friendly shade is just Patty in disguise

[proud lodge]

And Tisiphone... Maybe she just wants a hug and because she can only say that one word, nobody understands her

[native blade]

Oh for sure.

Without question.

[mint coral]

||she can say another word||

[proud lodge]

(And Tisiphone is sucha great name!)

[native blade]

YES!!! Luv Tisi.

[proud lodge]

it's so weird, because in German we pronounce all those names SO differently

[native blade]

I think Alecto is a tsundere and has a crush on Zag.

[high island]

I love Theseus's reactions when you summon Master Achilles and Patroclus.

[worn crag]

no i mean like the faceless ones

[native blade]

Please list them out.

[worn crag]

wait i gotta see this

[native blade]

YOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I have to see that.

[proud lodge]

Eurydice for example would be said like " OIRIEDIEKE"

[worn crag]

achschlokleissleibenstein

thats like every german word

[proud lodge]

And Orpheus - "ORFEEEUUS"

[native blade]

"YOU- REEE-DIKE?

[native blade]

Lel.

[mint coral]

Theseus reacts strongly to a lot of the summons lol

[proud lodge]

EU - OI

[mint coral]

Is that death!?

Or something like that

[proud lodge]

OI RI DI KE

[worn crag]

do you really call the toilet in germany the poopenfarten

[proud lodge]

good lord, I have never heard that - I think that may be dutch?

We do have words like "Eierschalensollbruchstellenverursacher" though

which is the word for a device that breaks your eggshells equally

Aphrodite would be _ A FRO DI TE

we write them the same way but the pronounciation is just very different

because what in English is EU - like you - is EU- OI for us

[worn crag]

north austria truly has a beautiful language

[proud lodge]

yes we do 🙂 but that's German in general 😛
if you could hear me in my accent, you'd run for the hills

[rustic falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1024834782951124992/1068341569016573952/image.png

zeus do got that luxurious looking beard

[native blade]

YOOOOOOO

Put this in #h1-story-discussion

[native blade]

That's so funny.

[rustic falcon]

yeah it was hillarious when i encountered and loved that the next time i found Zeus boon it continued from the previous dialogue

[brisk trail]

You know who else is a guy?

[gentle flower]

ew-rid-eh-see?

[rustic falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874415719209656360/1068355119374139462/image.png

should i take or nah

[gentle flower]

what’s ur build

needs more context but idk cuz im not that good at the game i would say

[rustic falcon]

i am using the exygryph no aspects rn

i was using the drunken dash for privilege status with my attack adding zeus electric effect

i have other boons to for privilleged status tho idk if i should switch for tidal dash

[gentle flower]

are the boons easy to apply?

for ps

[mint coral]

Tidal dash will be way more helpful than ps tbh

Just be sure to pom it

[modest hazel]

First time beating hades

And I beat him with the rail

😂

I got an epic version of demeter boon that dow graded 3 random boon to upgrade to a higher rarity later on

It just so happens one of the random boons was demeters aid

And static discharge

[gentle flower]

rare crop

[mint coral]

Rare crop is certainly a boon

[gentle flower]

it is very much a boon

[native blade]

I meant the german version.

[gentle flower]

oh rip

[modest hazel]

Heroic demeter aid carried me through the hades boss fight

Even had a few boons that speed up aid bar gain

[latent moon]

dem aid moment

[modest hazel]

Too bad I wasn't able to get ravenous will. Was able to get that lightning rod duo boon too

The lightning bolts from lightning rod is also affected by ravenous will right

[latent moon]

yeah

i think it's a global damage boost

could be wrong on that tho

[rustic falcon]

i hate facing demeter aid in theseus boss fight

chills and constant damage annoying

[worn crag]

is dionysus good with aspect of zeus shield

[latent moon]

its not bad yeah

[worn crag]

meh i need splitting headache anyway

[latent moon]

splitting headache would work on eris probably

[worn crag]

you guys are obsessed w hestia and eris

[latent moon]

or chiron but you generally dont look for it unless you already get low tolerance

[latent moon]

well first of all, those are just really good aspects
secondly, drunk eris is used at high heat for consistency

i'm just saying that splitting headache on eris is probably the one place the duo is useful on

[worn crag]

why

[latent moon]

why what

why is it good?

[worn crag]

yes

[latent moon]

75% global damage boost

affects dashes

lightning strike damage

[worn crag]

oh wow

[latent moon]

the special

basically a free chaos buff that's always active

except better

also considering you want rocket -> cluster bomb for hammers for a base 400 damage point blank

[worn crag]

supergiant be like yeah we should add a gun upgrade which triples the specials damage output with no drawbacks

[latent moon]

hestia is good because it one shots a lot of enemies

very fast aspect as well

[worn crag]

those stack???

[latent moon]

yeah

cluster has a 30% damage reduction on the bombs, but rocket bomb doesn't get affected by it

even with the damage reduction tho, i'd reckon that hammer combo would be the strongest

[worn crag]

i just need it for the uh

the achievment

[latent moon]

i mean yeah that's fine

i'm saying that eris is probably the only place where i'd consider aiming for that duo

unless you want to do chiron

which would be a lot worse build wise

drunk demeter could work

[modest hazel]

Tried using the guan yu spear. Really hard to get user to it

So slow

And 70% life penalty

[torpid flower]

50% at max upgrade

[worn crag]

i just realized how very....mild that is

[torpid flower]

And the fact I haven't even complete the prophecy for it yet

[modest hazel]

What's a good spear upgrade to go for when using guan yu

[worn crag]

aphrodite for the health upgrade

ig im not an expert or anything

also weak makes enemies do less dmg

[native blade]

I’ve heard that it’s Charged Skewer.

[native blade]

Ah Heretic, you’ve finally mended your ways.

[worn crag]

bruh aphrodite is my favorite

[worn crag]

???? bruh i had 1 dissenting opinion and you treat me like judas

lmao

[native blade]

Yes, how dare you critque Aunt ‘Dite?

[worn crag]

shes creepy

[modest hazel]

How

[native blade]

(Ok, ngl she’s pretty creepy if you ain’t into that)

[modest hazel]

😂

[native blade]

She just loves you!

[modest hazel]

Ah. On my first hammer I got the buff that emits pulses while I charge

The spear

[native blade]

OHHHHH

I LOVE THAT

[worn crag]

i know yall are gonna get mad at me for this but
im not attracted to fictional characters

🫤

ok yall can kill me now

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/magde-mad-peepo-gif-19246416

[latent moon]

charged skewer
the best part of guan yu is the special being piercing, good aoe, and good damage with a built in exploding launcher

you basically want to buff that as much as possible and play it like a weird combo of hestia/bow

you generally dont use spins unless it's between waves or you have good distance between you and your enemy

[modest hazel]

Ah

No wonder I die ezz

[latent moon]

general combo is something like special -> 2x dash strikes until you get charged skewer

[modest hazel]

I died to a mob just now

[worn crag]

spins are risky with loadup time

[latent moon]

yeah the spin takes a good amount of time to charge up unless you have quick spin

[worn crag]

quick spin is great

[latent moon]

kinda unfortunate that the life steal gimmick on guan yu kinda sucks

[latent moon]

yeah but charged skewer is better on guan yu lmao

could make a spin build for it

but higher end of players use charged skewer because it's faster and does more damage

[worn crag]

wait how does the spin proc healing

is it by damage

[latent moon]

by hits

i think

[worn crag]

i thought it was just on hit

so the big one hits more??

[latent moon]

wdym

[worn crag]

like does it heal more?

why is it better?

[latent moon]

longer charge on the spin prob heals for more because it lasts longer

what

only the spin heals

idk what you're asking

[worn crag]

oh fair

[worn crag]

i thought the quick charge would be better than the big blade cause you can pull the circle blade out faster and that would get more heals

[latent moon]

i mean that's also true

[modest hazel]

Just now I got a hammer with extending jab, winged serpent and flaring spin

[latent moon]

quick spin is decent because it lets you get to full charge faster and lets you just spin more in general

[modest hazel]

Just take the jab?

[latent moon]

prob take extending jab yeah

[stone rune]

erm

my hades crashes

whenever i try to load this save

can run saves corrupt

yep looks like it corrupted

thats fun

[rustic vale]

Check #h1-tech-fixes, then if there isn’t anything already listed check in with #h1-tech-support

[worn crag]

what are the perks and benefits of each summon

[rustic vale]

uh

Battie is speedrun and high heat because it’s fast, big damage with good aoe

Shady is like obol meme runs

[worn crag]

dusa seemed really good

for overall dmg

[rustic vale]

Mort has massive aoe, slightly more damage then battie but takes forever

[worn crag]

im not speedrunning

how do i position the bat properly

[rustic vale]

?

Iirc it goes by zags shoulder when you call it

[solar vault]

it picks the nearest enemy and makes a line parallel to his shoulders yeah

[rustic vale]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/871141124

For example

[rustic vale]

Tbh I think the niche for dusa and skelly are exclusively erebus gates and otherwise they don’t perform as usefully

Antos is good because fast damage now on 2 targets, kinda worse meg but kinda not

[rustic vale]

I’m fully ready for Nyaanyaa to correct me on this because my brain isn’t functioning

[strong ridge]

iits an easier meg but it is worse

[rustic vale]

Technically more single target damage

If your target is by themself

Since both patty and achilles will hit the same enemy if it’s the only enemy on screen

[rustic vale]

Tbh speedrunning or not, the damage now button is often way better then dusa just because ending chambers sooner means you take less damage via not having as many chances to be hit

plus most chambers don’t take 30 seconds

[latent moon]

i mean it's used in speedrunning because it's good lmao
if it wasn't good, something else would be used

the only other one that would be considered to use is antos because it can instakill the sneak

[latent moon]

i think dusa does the most single target damage, but it shoots slow and it's damage over time

well i dont know the rate of fire

there's prob some niche use for it but none come to mind

maybe dad fight? idk

[rustic vale]

Even dad fight he’s still teleporting everywhere

Non EM heroes theseus shield propbably knocks a bunch of damage off
Em heroes, their movespeed probably messes up dusa

[latent moon]

doesn't dusa summon stun or something

so it'd theoretically work

[worn crag]

i only use them on bosses doe

[latent moon]

that's generally when you want to use them

for speed, minibosses tend to be better but it's whatever

meg summon on every boss except furies is fine

[worn crag]

but bosses take 30 seconds?

[latent moon]

instaphases lernie, like 1/4 or something off of both heroes, idk how much on dad but like 1/6?

[latent moon]

if your boss fights are 30 seconds then you're speedrunning

30 second dad fight is on the higher end of speedruns

[worn crag]

well what im saying is that isnt dusa good for bosses cause bosses take a long time

[latent moon]

well dusa isn't good in general

but sure

[worn crag]

why not

[latent moon]

because it's slow and doesn't deal damage

[worn crag]

huh

[latent moon]

dusa doesn't hit every shot iirc

[worn crag]

guess im going with bat

i tried bat but i thought i missed and got hella mad

[latent moon]

skill issue if you miss battie lmao

[solar vault]

better than than when you use it and all the enemies walk out of the circle

[worn crag]

im trying

to learn

the game

[latent moon]

lmao

[worn crag]

not everybodys played hades for 90000 hours

[latent moon]

on bosses just hit the button as soon as you enter tbh

for heroes, tap up once and hit battie

[worn crag]

ok i tried it at like
20 hours and it seemed to not work

ok

[latent moon]

various minibosses have certain positions needed and idk how to explain any of them

the ones that spawn in when you enter the room, you can dash over to where they spawn and by the time you get there you can hit the summon

exception to this would be styx minibosses tho, they either take longer to spawn or drop down from the ceiling too fast to reliably dash into

witches circle is a bit cringe but it's doable

[lone sable]

Sneak:

[latent moon]

i mean it's probably possible but very unreliable

you can also 0 cycle the sneak lol

if you mirror the sneak's spawn placement and hit summon, you can hit it or something like that

https://youtu.be/OSPh_y1BPPA?t=93

time stamped

[torpid flower]

I started off with Dusa but now, I rock with Battie. Always use it at Hades second phase half health checkpoint

[calm saddle]

what's the best aspect on the spear?

[chrome heath]

Id say Achilles

By far

[torpid flower]

None. But if I had to pick, I'd say Hades

[chrome heath]

I respectfully disagree, Achilles is very strong and very fast

Hades is very fun though

I disagree to the none bit, not to the Hades

[tired karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068460243421495316/Hades_Screenshot_2023.01.27_-_11.19.15.07.png

lol, what should I pick

for eris

[calm saddle]

why none?

[torpid flower]

Cause spear aspects sucks, to me at least

[brisk trail]

Achilles aspect has a lot of fun and good builds

[regal wraith]

guys I saw a video on youtube he killed heros in 4 second is it possible?

[abstract forge]

does mirage shot work with hera?

[manic fiber]

Doing a Hades stream if anyones interested in watching

link is in Self Promotion

[ruby saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvTt9Hswq7A Why is this version of the song not in the album? 😦

[chrome heath]

Back in Pyre they released a Black Mandolin album, sort of a side B, with the acoustic version of each song and all the final boss music variants

Would be cool if they did that with Hades

For the Euridice room version of In the Blood, Orpheus version of good riddance, duet version of good riddance, and aaaaalll the basslines

[sour fog]

Also since we're on the topic of Orpheus, I've been wondering, when he trolls you by giving you a choice of a song and then saying he doesn't feel like playing, he offers In the Blood, Lament of Orpheus and something called "Argonauts". Anyone know what that is? I've never found a song with that name

[chrome heath]

Interact with the lyre in the house, see if it's in the track list

[sour fog]

according to the wiki it isn't

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Soundtrack

so I have no idea

tried finding the dialogue selection online but no luck

[high island]

It's good until like 40+ish where you def want Quick Spin to make it work.

Not good for speedruns, of course.

[chrome heath]

It does ring a bell

[regal wraith]

heyy hades dont wanna fightt

[brisk trail]

Ooof! On my way to finally get sub 10 on spear and I get the sack in room 5

[high island]

Just get sub 10 with 5-sack.

[brisk trail]

Well if you told me that before! 🙃

I am finding the spear way more difficult than the fists and rail. Even with guides!

[high island]

More difficult for speedruns?

[brisk trail]

I do like that the speedrun build can go two ways though

Yeah

[high island]

Just reset for Flurry Jab.

[brisk trail]

Even with flurry jab I average in the 11 min so far

[high island]

Just gotta practice more. You'll get there pretty soon.

[brisk trail]

Just gotta get gud I guess!

I used to average 16 min on all weapons, so definately improving:)

[tired karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068498765100617738/Hades_Screenshot_2023.01.27_-_13.52.13.57.png

bruh

[modest hazel]

Imagine you use the spear of guan yu

And you use that enhancement

But it's for the sword so

[sour fog]

unironically it would still make guan yu better imho

[rustic vale]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Achilles

[rustic vale]

Because some people just hate spear that much lol

[lone sable]

ok. im not comfortable with theseus saying "aphrodite guide my hand"

[rustic vale]

I never hear it because aphrodite is almost always in my god pool

[teal plank]

Even though I have plume maxed, Hermes doesn't talk about it at all, should I talk to him more or something?

[gray apex]

Equip it

[teal plank]

the 7th heart is still locked so I'm asking

[teal plank]

I had it equipped for a while now

speed boost is nice and all, but he still doesn't talk about it or anything, do I have to talk with him a bit more?

[gray apex]

Yea give it a few more attempts

[teal plank]

Okay, thank you!

[rustic falcon]

oh is theseus God aid dependent on whose boons you don't have

[toxic trellis]

Yes

[rustic falcon]

what if you have all the god boons before these use will he won't have any god aid

[toxic trellis]

That’s not possible

[rustic falcon]

oh

[gray apex]

It is possible

He will default to Artemis

[sour fog]

how do you force 9 gods before Styx?

[rustic falcon]

maybe mods

[sour fog]

oh

[rustic falcon]

and duo

[teal plank]

yeah I think there are mods that increase god limit

[gray apex]

You'll need good rng

Has nothing to do with mods

[gray apex]

Also idk if this refers to trials but trials can only give gods you already have

[teal plank]

I thought god limit is 4

[gray apex]

That's the god pool

There is no limit

You can still force after 4

And you can get 5 naturally too

[rustic falcon]

oh I didn't know but I am referring to duo boons from chiron shop

[teal plank]

huh, you learn new things every day i guess

[sour fog]

You'd need to get 5 through shop in Tartarus though, and then you can only get 6th in Aspho and 7 in Elysium

no way to get all 9

at least no way I can see

[gray apex]

Force the last in styx

[rustic falcon]

and I think having hermes doesn't count for theseus aid i am guessing

[sour fog]

Styx is after theseus

[high island]

Before Theseus, it's only possible anymore if you haven't been to the final boss yet because that limits the pool to 7.

[high island]

It's 8, not 9.

[rustic falcon]

does defeating hades limit the god pool for later runs

[high island]

And you can indeed get 8 gods naturally, without forcing a single one.

[sour fog]

8 how

[high island]

Lord Hermes and Master Chaos don't count towards the god pool.

[sour fog]

oh I was counting Hermes

ok

[gray apex]

Reaching the surface unlocks Dem

So that makes it 8

[rustic falcon]

oh

[sour fog]

so basically get 7 before you unlock Demeter?

[gray apex]

Yea that should default Theseus to Artemis Aid

[sour fog]

ok

[high island]

Happened every once in a while when Lady Demeter wasn't added to the game yet.

The way to get 8 gods naturally btw is by having 3 or less in your pool when you enter Styx shop.

And then some luck.

[wicked swan]

hades getting blocked by cfa again

funny windows defender moment

[rustic falcon]

what do you mean by pool, like your luck pool a chance to get God's or having 3 or less equipped

[gray apex]

Just don't take boons from more than 3 different gods excluding Hermes

When you reach Styx you'll be eligible to get offered any god since your pool is not full

So it's just some rng from there and maybe Fated Authority

[high island]

When you have boons from 4+ gods, you'll only see boons from those gods anymore. Not counting Lord Hermes and Master Chaos.

So normally, you end up with 4 gods in your pool.

If you have 3 or less in your pool, then the gods you will be offered will be random out of all 8.

So if you have 3 gods in your pool when you enter Styx, the boons in shop and tunnels will be from any of the 8 gods. Which means if you're lucky, you can get the remaining 5 there.

My PB is 7.

[hollow granite]

Im having dusa fired arc, will it lead into bonding with her?

Also it happened at super inconvenient time because it blocks patroclus pact

[high island]

Yes.

[torpid flower]

Me too lol. But I'm basically done with everything so, this is probably the last event that's gonna happen

[hollow granite]

Im done with everything except: dusa, pat and achi, aphrodite, entering styx and Erebus enough times

Also get legendary boon from chaos and 1 specific hammer on bow

Then maybe max out weapons

[brisk trail]

should be doing college work but we gaming

who with me

[brisk trail]

ig no one with me

[sour fog]

no college work for me, so we just gaming

[rustic falcon]

I should be studying for my bio test but gaming

[rustic vale]

It’s only 8
And you can theoretically get 5 naturally then force the next 2 in for asphodel and elysium

[rustic vale]

have 3 or less gods in pool by styx shop

[native blade]

The gods will guide you.

Just pray to Athena before u go in.

[rustic falcon]

goddess of wisdom help me with my test

[worn crag]

i dont have school today get trolled

[tired karma]

I love merciful end so much

[regal wraith]

Guys i wanna open a YouTube channel for Hades shorts/videos but i dont know i think there issnt anyone to see my vids:/

[native blade]

Send em over.

[tired karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068588413504196751/Screenshot_2023-01-27_194838.png

how do you get the skull

[native blade]

Tooth.

[tired karma]

so basically you can have a maxed death defiance + stubborn

what if I get last stand and deathless stand
can I have 4 lives

[native blade]

Yep.

[tired karma]

looks like yeah
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068589019652444301/Screenshot_2023-01-27_195106.png

from haelian stream

he got super lucky ngl

[native blade]

He can get luckier tbh.

Wait...

Yeah, yeah he can ge luckier.

[mint abyss]

If I die on purpose does Achilles show up?

[latent moon]

not guaranteed but he might show up

[rustic falcon]

same i dont have school on fridays

[wild dagger]

hey so

there's that shop before hades right

and i finally got the money to buy it all

but there's an anvil which might destroy my run

but i want to see what happens if i buy the whole shop

does anything even happen

[latent moon]

no lol

it's just empty

[rustic falcon]

chiron might get extra happy maybe

[worn crag]

what he do with all that extra money

squid games!!!

[wild dagger]

mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

i almost no hit meg and hades with 3 of those extreme measures

i only took 1 hit in each fight

[brisk trail]

skelly told me to use the sword in my run and i did and beaten the run he said it will set him free but nothing heppend what did i do wrong?

nvm i turns out i need to slay him with max level i am dumb lol

[tired karma]

right after my sweaty 46 heat win I get this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068617442156347452/Hades_Screenshot_2023.01.27_-_21.43.53.33.png

thank you game

[native blade]

Gonna get that ‘support’.

[narrow ingot]

there's something really off about some of the articles on the hades wiki

[rustic vale]

Which ones

[narrow ingot]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Poseidon

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Hermes

[native blade]

Elaborate.

[rustic vale]

Just noticed it says “3rd highest raw percentage increase” when it’s 3rd highest for strike, and 2nd highest for special

[narrow ingot]

scroll down

[rustic vale]

To where

What part of the page

[narrow ingot]

the characteristics and personality sections

the physical descriptions

i can't explain.. just read

[rustic vale]

Poseidons physical description seems fine

[tired karma]

her timing is impeccable each time

[rustic vale]

I don’t see an issue with either physical description

[narrow ingot]

Despite his hippie disposition

[rustic vale]

Although the actual quality of writing is uh

[narrow ingot]

yeah.

[rustic vale]

I don’t see anything factually wrong, I just see a lot that I would catch as an editor

I might be bothered to edit the wiki pages in like 6 hours? I’ve never tried before

[mint hatch]

As the god of the oceans Poseidon, he has as one of his features a long goatee
What

[rustic vale]

The writing quality is 🤨 but nothing is really wrong from what I read

[narrow ingot]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/UserProfile:Saven666 serial offender

[rustic vale]

Neat?

[narrow ingot]

i think

idk

[silver mica]

Question

[narrow ingot]

wait no

[silver mica]

Does having Rush Kick on Demeter Aspect double my all my specials?

ie. Instead of 5 specials, would I get 10?

[brisk trail]

idk but kinetic launcher demeter is funny

[rustic vale]

No

It just adds more

[silver mica]

Alr should I take explosive upper instead then

[brisk trail]

yeees

[rustic vale]

When you standing special, your special hits twice
When you demeter standing special, your special hits 3-7 times

[brisk trail]

explosive upper on demeter slaps

[rustic vale]

Yes

[silver mica]

I got

[rustic vale]

This works the same way for every special hammer

I believe

[silver mica]

Explosive upper on deadly flourish

[brisk trail]

amazing tbh

[rustic vale]

Except quake cutter*

[silver mica]

And heart rend just now

[rustic vale]

Wait you can’t get quake cutter on dem anyways

[silver mica]

Smoldering air yesss

[rustic vale]

Dem always adds hits not multiplies regardless of your special hammers

[brisk trail]

all you need to know to play demeter is explosive upper good

[mint hatch]

Wait, I'm confused.
So will rush kick deal damage 10 times or not?

[brisk trail]

no

[rustic vale]

^

[brisk trail]

its just 5 no matter what im p sure

[rustic vale]

it’s 3-7

[narrow ingot]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Sisyphus

[rustic vale]

with rush kick

[native blade]

Rush Kick is really good, Change my mind.

[rustic vale]

It’ll add x amount of hits to the special

[brisk trail]

mmmmmmm explosive upper

[native blade]

Rush Kick is… better.

Because mobility.

[rustic vale]

It isn’t breaching cross or explosive upper but it’s definitely one of the… better demeter hammers

[narrow ingot]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Thanatos

[brisk trail]

who needs mobility when you can kill everything before it can attack you

[native blade]

Breaching Cross is for sure a optimal pick.

[rustic vale]

Rush kick is not particularly good iirc

[native blade]

That… is not an option with the heat I’m on lolz

[silver mica]

Best em theseus

[rustic vale]

Rush kick is not better

[brisk trail]

i remember killing an enemy with explosive upper on dem for the first time and audibly laughing from how dumb it was

[silver mica]

Hm not sure whether to take a tooth or a purse

[rustic vale]

Where are you?

[narrow ingot]

starting to realize it's not just some character articles on the hades wiki but all of them 😭

[rustic vale]

It was probably all written by the same person

[silver mica]

Just bear elysium

Beat*

[rustic vale]

If it isn’t factually wrong, you can just be an editor and fix the issues

[silver mica]

I have one defiance left, at 137 hp

[mint hatch]

I used to always start coin purse but then realised how insane shattered shackle is.

[brisk trail]

id take toof

[silver mica]

Hm yeah I'll go tooth

[rustic vale]

Starting with a god keepsake is 🧠

[silver mica]

If I had full defiance I'd have 5 defiance rn

[rustic vale]

Allowing you to focus your build in is so much more value (in 90% of cases) then starting anything else

[narrow ingot]

i would but my brain's been fried by school stress and idk if i'll ever recover the ability to write normally

[silver mica]

I also have draining cutter but it's not amazingly useful

[rustic vale]

Draining cutter is most noticable in styx

[brisk trail]

anyone got a good achilles build?

[tired karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068626972021895208/Hades_Screenshot_2023.01.27_-_22.21.33.57.png

lol

[narrow ingot]

what did he mean by this

[silver mica]

Oh my god there's a fishing point in the overworld

[rustic vale]

Bear with me, but also a question for #h1-builds-and-combat

[silver mica]

I better beat dad this time

[brisk trail]

good luck soldier

[silver mica]

Beat him

Now I gotta

Not mess up this fishing point

[chrome heath]

BE CALM

RELAX

[silver mica]

OKAY

[chrome heath]

FOCUS ON THE FISH

DONT LET ANYTHING DISTRACT YOU

[silver mica]

ALRIGHT

[chrome heath]

CONCENTRATE

[silver mica]

I SHALL

I went for it

PERFECTLY CAUGHT THAT BASS WOOOO

Bro I just beat tisiphone in about 20 seconds

[brisk trail]

honestly tisiphone closing the room just makes it easier

[tired karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036258237420412940/1068632426164797450/Hades_Screenshot_2023.01.27_-_22.43.10.38.png

bruh look at the amount of foes

[latent moon]

Js3?

[rustic vale]

Possibly with roiling as well

[silver mica]

Zagbow is insane

Max zagbow + twin shot + deadly strike

But i died just now in elysium lmao

[brisk trail]

real

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764541705403760700/1068633594450423818/received_1287204718791242.png

[worn crag]

i read it as tissi phone

i know how it is

im just cray cray like that

[tired karma]

it was some chaos boon that gave 53% more enemies

[worn crag]

how do i make batty hit the four statue of liberty spider bomb thrower asshats on the first floor

[brisk trail]

i had a stroke and then laughed at this

[worn crag]

i used batty and it just veered off to the side 500 miles away from them

are you proud of telling the world the hades community is not welcoming of newcomers

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-genius-genius-comedy-clapping-clap-gif-24727274

[mint abyss]

Ricochet or targeting system for hestia?

explosive fire

ricochet seems more fun

but I already have lightning strike

[brisk trail]

explosive fire is the one that makes the bullets explode correct?

[mint abyss]

yea

[brisk trail]

might be wrong but that might work kinda well with hestia

[mint abyss]

never mind going with targeting system for single target

I have a good clear already

[rustic vale]

Ricochet fire >>> explosive for hestia

[mint abyss]

Thanks

[brisk trail]

welp this has been a good run but i never wanna play with spear again

[calm saddle]

are there

weapons mods

for hades

[high island]

You can hit 2 consistently, but there's no setup if you're using MM because there are several possible spawn patterns for the 2 that are added. Best you can do is use the regular setup and hope the 2 others jump into it.

Regular setup is just dash between the 2 spawn points, a little closer to the bottom one, line up Meg, and summon.

If you're not a little closer to the bottom one, he'll jump away right as he spawns.

If you're not speedrunning high heat, it's often better to just save your summon there anyway.

[mint abyss]

Does static discharge damage the foe it self?

[brisk trail]

i have a really dumb idea someone tell me how wrong i am

[mint abyss]

or only the foes surrounding the main target?

[brisk trail]

if i were to use aspect of zeus, put ares on special, and athena, on attack, and end up with merciful end, how bad would that be

real?

i wasnt expecting that cause my build ideas always end up p bad lmao

[rustic vale]

It’s not a bad idea

ME on melee aspects is usually ares on strike -> athena on flourish -> divine dash but zeus can go the other way due to how it’s special works

[brisk trail]

i got support fire on zeus and holy balls

[high island]

The enemy who does the attack receives the damage from Jolted.

[stone rune]

on hestia?

[mint abyss]

Yea

[stone rune]

why

hestia with lightning strike gotta be garbage

i mean

it's still hestia

but like

yeah that's like 10 extra damage

[mint abyss]

I needed to trigger jolts

[stone rune]

why

wdym jolts

like jolted?

hestia wants %

[mint abyss]

I sold back the zeus dash

and got that instead

xD

[stone rune]

why do you need jolted

[mint hatch]

That's not a justification, considering you're using hestia of all aspects.

[mint abyss]

didn't have better options

[stone rune]

just put on heartbreak strike

[mint hatch]

Any option is better than one that'll actively hinder your run.

[stone rune]

zeus is pathetic damage on hestia

that's about a 6% damage increase

[brisk trail]

the only rail aspect i ever take zeus anything on is lucifer

[stone rune]

eris???

[latent moon]

Zag

[stone rune]

zag rail???

[brisk trail]

well

i only really use lucifer lmao

[stone rune]

what else other than i guess dio

[latent moon]

Zag rail ME with spread fire lol

Or MEris

Free impending doom boost without the impending

But back to the lightning strike hestia part

[stone rune]

lightning strike on hestia is still though

like

why

there are definitely better options in that there are options that don't make your gun bad

even just dzeus vengeance

[latent moon]

It's a base 150 attack and yeah sure the lightning and the jolted probably gets it to like an extra 170 damage or something? But at that point it's better to just slap on Aphrodite atk and pom it because you're not relying on other boons to boost your damage

Although ofc you can always get those

[stone rune]

jolted is 80 isn't it

or 70

[latent moon]

Well I assumed epic with poms

[stone rune]

that's a hefty assumption

[latent moon]

Yeah it is

I'm just assuming a late game build, which seems more fair to base it on

[stone rune]

double dmg with lvl 4 common heartbreak strike

ish

and that's every shot they dont need to attack or anything

[rustic vale]

Not rlly

[high island]

Literally purging Lightning Strike and using Shattered Shackle is a better option on Hestia.

Unless your Hestia is low level, I guess.

[stone rune]

low lvl hestia

[mint abyss]

mine is lvl 1

[high island]

I see.

[stone rune]

oh