h2-discussion

[frail crypt]

summit is actual trenches

[stray haven]

hi

[frail crypt]

hai

[ancient token]

Just got no side chambers in Tartarus

[nova oar]

Hello

[nova oar]

It happens

[final saddle]

Alright

10 minutes, 4 dds, moros pin, finally got my fireball cast and enough magic to work with. Let’s do this

Ok now that has to be my fastest run ever

Just my fastest of the surface clears

[calm flicker]

Is it because Melinoe has more range than Zagreus, or did Aphrodite's Rush radius get reduced?

[honest tulip]

What's your least favorite miniboss

[jolly hound]

Probably, but it pops twice

[jolly hound]

Olympus dragon. Takes forever to die

[honest tulip]

true but Spawn of Typhon 😭

Olympus Dragon can be Sheeped

[calm flicker]

The satyr arbalister in Ephyra. At least for a little while. Queen Lamia is growing annoying for me.

The cutthroat in Erebus kind of sucks... I guess.

[broken creek]

He has 2 moves

How are you getting hit

[honest tulip]

Once I found out I could just spam the queen and the babies all die I stoped worying about her

[honest tulip]

HE TURNS

so much 😭

[broken creek]

Then dash through

[frail crypt]

king vermin

[broken creek]

You have time to dash through him both swipes and slam on frenzy2

[frail crypt]

very hard to tell what it's about to do

[honest tulip]

That one is so funny though

[frail crypt]

was funny the first time sure

eye of typhon is also annoying

[final saddle]

I literally just beat fought and beat Spawn of Typhon hitless for the first time in frenzy 2 hitless you have no excuse

[broken creek]

None of the summit minibosses are a problem

[frail crypt]

summit in general is a problem bruh

[final saddle]

Fr though the best advice I can give is get close and stick close to him so he doesn’t charge again

[honest tulip]

#h2-victory-boasting message <---

[broken creek]

It really isnt

[honest tulip]

This is my ability when it comes to Spawn of Typhon

[broken creek]

Rooms have 2 guys max and the bosses die in 3 seconds

[honest tulip]

I took more damage to it than all the bosses besides prometheus

[frail crypt]

typhon lowk easiest part of summit..

also how do I get rivals past the 1st boss...?

[broken creek]

Make sure youve fought charibdis in thessaly, have beaten both rivals1 fights, then hope selene gives you the incantation

[frail crypt]

oh i have to beat rivals polyphemus fml

[broken creek]

Its an easy fight

[frail crypt]

imagine playing h2 before h1 and seeing the poison

[broken creek]

Just be patient and dont stand in the poison

[final saddle]

Alternatively just bumrush him and don’t stand in the poison

It’s what I did just now

[broken creek]

Yeah hes really squishy

[red fox]

Learn the phase change poison pattern

They are fixed

[honest tulip]

Took forever for me to realize it was a pentagram

[final saddle]

Wait it is?

[honest tulip]

First pattern is just a bunch of lines, Second is a star/pentagram

[final saddle]

Lol I was too concerned with the giant cyclops jumping at me with the speed on a jackrabbit to notice any pattern other than “now there’s crap on the floor”

[buoyant matrix]

"None of the summit minibosses are a problem" mfs when playing antler strength at 62 without snow queen

[honest tulip]

Can't forget The Hyperdash or whatever from Hermes

[torn wind]

And trusty shield

[buoyant matrix]

trust shield applies after gale unfortunately

[torn wind]

It blocks attachments in this chat. IDK if it will allow you to post a message link instead of a media link

To whoever that was that the bot kept blocking

[jolly hound]

shoutout moon water for winning me that rivals chronos fight I didn’t deserve to win

[torn wind]

I got unlucky on paths of stars and didn't find enough for moon water

Also didn't have the one for giving back damage taken

Ended up still managing to beat rivals chronos though

[jolly hound]

it was a super sloppy i played like crap fight, just kept refilling with moon water cause i had like 8 charges going into it

trying to get the hang of charon axe, think i got it finally

[tiny remnant]

just tried the prom fight again, no dialogue w/ Dora... very frustrating that this is not trigger the incantation w/ Dora

[jolly hound]

i had a level 7 heroic nexus rush i basically didnt need to do anything til cerberus besides sprint lol

[torn wind]

First time getting apollo attack and siege frame on shiva and god damn that attack is massive good lord

Covers like half the map in Erebus

[jolly hound]

youre gonna be at that a while, and it slows down a bunch if you do rivals 3 while in process

[nova oar]

Dora is the trigger for it

[torn wind]

Yeah I don't think you have to have reached the roadblock on her bond to get the incantation

But you can't get past it until you do the incantation

Pretty random when she'll finally talk about it though

[tiny remnant]

exactly, I mean i'm ~95% of the way through the game... how has this not ocurred yet

[torn wind]

I kept getting unlucky unlocking some of the aspects and with getting selene's trust dialogue

Well, this run is going well. I just got Strike from chaos for 100% bonus attack damage... on Shiva

Chronos your ass is mine

[jolly hound]

rng

[torn wind]

God damn it's over lol. I took the roll on Icarus keepsake and got Chakra Collider lol

I'm at 1671 damage without crit or destructive lol

Didn't end up getting Ares though so that's a shame

[tiny remnant]

aaaand I got the dialogue on literally the next fight... of course lol

[calm flicker]

If Wounds was only considered Olympian DMG & subsequently dealt ~120, would that make it good...?

Or do Wards & its low % scaling make it just that bad?

[torn wind]

With wards it definitely does weaken it a lot since it's an occasional bonus damage. Gotta clear the wards first

[merry whale]

wounds is considered olympian, there's specific behavior where the +50 is the only dmg that is olympian-affected

[torn wind]

Yeah in relation to War Cry I think his infusion is called

Only applies to damage that is separate from % bonus

% bonus on Ares doesn't count

[merry whale]

i don't think wards is that bad tbh like wounds mostly needs grievous to be relevant

[torn wind]

So War Cry is definitely more worth it for blade builds

Than wounds

Though could be good with heinous affront + light smite and divine vengeance

[merry whale]

ye heinous light smite is also funny

[torn wind]

Heinous + smite I never considered hits every enemy

And so you get a group of guys and just nuke them instantly with 10 light smites each

Had a fun blades build with that

Got the dash strike that threw the special and had ares attack, zeus special, heinous, all "on-damage" effects, and hestia-zeus

So just sprinted around spamming dash strike

Divine vengeance had like 7 possible strikes and 45% chance for double strike due to me using fates will keepsakes

Was really fun

[nova oar]

It hits every enemy in the encounter

[torn wind]

Yeah that's what I said

Was really fun

Ended up being my second highest damage source

[slim pike]

Smite has a short icd though

So try not to AoE wound everyone at the same moment

[torn wind]

IDK, I could inspect the recordings I took of it

See if it was actually hitting for every wound applied

Ah damn I guess I didn't clip the times when I was fighting normal enemies

Plenty of clips of the bosses though but that doesn't answer the question

Question, does Selene keepsake count as breaking Fates' Whim?

Nevermind I forgot I can just test it and quit if it did

It does not

[slim pike]

It does iirc

[torn wind]

Nope

Pom is still active and I still have my hades boon

Since it's not a god I guess

So yeah Selene is valid for Fates' Whim runs

[red fox]

Selene isn't olympian

[torn wind]

Yeah she's a titan

[slim pike]

Oh huh. Forces a spawn though

[red fox]

Fw only break when using olympian summoning keepsake

[stable flame]

Oh thanks I was trying to post an image. It deleted my message so I tried again and got blocked for 20 minutes lmao

[torn wind]

Yeah but Selene path is not considered a boon

Works for Sea Star

Had a run where I got like 3 duplicate paths because of Epic lvl 5 sea star lol

Had like 65% duplicate chance

[slim pike]

Filling the Maze or Nacelle grid is always fun

(Sorry, internal names for the different path layouts)

[calm flicker]

Thank goodness Evergreen Acorn is an equippable Mirror of Night/Arcana.

[real scarab]

moon beam doesn't break fates whim ye

[torn wind]

Well that's it. I finished Bearing Dark Gifts

Ironically my last one was Melinoe staff

Also Hail Storm was so dang weak

It was the last duo I needed for prophecy

[real scarab]

hail storm takes million years to kill a single mob

[torn wind]

Yeah even with like 35% double strike and 5 extra seconds of freeze time

Only did 38k damage in the whole surface run even though I got it at charon before polyphemus

[real scarab]

38k extra damage not that bad, I've yet to see it on my damage board

[torn wind]

First ever chaos random run and got aspect of than with a hell splitter Daedalus off the bat

[queen cosmos]

Its just tedious for me to upgrade those keepsakes in the first place

Thats what keeps me from using them as well

[torn wind]

That's fair. Chaos runs are a pretty interesting way to turn you brain off though, seems like

Unless you get a bad arcana roll or antler

[queen cosmos]

I feel like underground areas in hades 1 were better than hades 2

Except maybe the fields

[torn wind]

I can't really say if I prefer surface or underworld in H2 but I can understand the thought on comparing to H1

Oceanus is pretty cramped and the steam is a bit annoying

[queen cosmos]

I didn't understood the theme

Like thessaly was making more sense than the submarine type thing

[torn wind]

That's fair

Oceanus being like a sort of steampunk aqueduct

Sewer almost

oof it gave me the droplet and I don't have that upgraded

Well guess no keepsakes for cerberus then

At least droplet is fast for fields traversal

[queen cosmos]

And then we just came back to tartarus

I mean ok ig, but could have been something new

Like some other type of sand ruins or smth

[broken creek]

Did you miss the part that chronos took over the house of hades

[queen cosmos]

Its wierd for me to see that on the surface two areas are just olympus, tho they are different, it could get some changes

[queen cosmos]

Yeah, but there could have been a different route

Like through a boatman in the sea of sands

[broken creek]

Its cool from a design perspective to see what was r1 in the first game to be r4 in the 2nd with reflecting enemies and new environment stuff

[broken creek]

Twin literally whats past olympus

[torn wind]

It gives you extra perspective on how the hosue was taken over is my view on it

[broken creek]

The whole point is that its the mountain

[torn wind]

Since you're battling through the same chambers but altered

[broken creek]

Like the biggest thing in Greece

[queen cosmos]

Im not complaining about the areas

But like, one could have been named over the mountain type ranges

[torn wind]

Olympus and Typhon's storm feel different enough

[queen cosmos]

And summit would be more in those houses type areas on the peak

[torn wind]

Isn't Olympus on a lone mountain

Or am I thinking something different

[broken creek]

Id think so

[queen cosmos]

Yeah its cool

I wished it was longer

[torn wind]

I'd personally say I prefer Typhon's storm and Chronos Tartarus over Styx

Styx was interesting conceptually with all the tiny rooms though

Am I the only one that finds the buffer for dash strikes annoying

That it doesn't change to a normal attack immediately and I have to either do a dash strike then normal attack or I have to stand there and wait

I want to be able to just do a normal attack immediately if I let go of my move keys

[red fox]

Kinda, but only on shiva coat

I fix that by input special first

Other weapon has good dash strike to use

[torn wind]

Well I was using hell splitter axe

So really didn't want to dash strike

Cause difference was a 60 damage hit or a 600 damage hit

I'd say Axe and Coat are definitely the ones where I don't always want to dash strike

[nova oar]

Crazy you say that because these are the weapons you should only dash strike on

[torn wind]

Well I just stated a case where I didn't want to and actively avoided it

My complaint is not that the dash strike is bad

My complaint is I let go of the move keys and it still does a dash strike

[red fox]

Do the special cancel

[torn wind]

Faster to do a dash strike anyways for axe or about the same

As far as I could tell

Since the special takes a bit

I can be standing there entirely still for a good quarter second and it still does a dash strike

Just annoying since I'm thinking on like Smash Bros brain where a buffer that egregious would ruin the game's feel. And that game already has like a 8 frame buffer

[nova oar]

I mean my main game is a platform fighter and yeah the buffer is annoying but you can cancel it/get used to it

[torn wind]

Just was annoying to try to dash and do a hell splitter and get a dash strike

It's whatever. Unoptimal build but I ran with it cause it's what I got off the bat

Aw I was really hoping that the familiars' charms would all hang together over the exits and not just one at a time

Like I also wish I could have multiple different fighting dummies and not just one at a time. The little things

[broken creek]

Brawlhalla player 🥀

Get a better game

[cunning laurel]

is it really brawhalla 🙏

[torn wind]

Probably RoA2

Buffer is nice if it's small enough to be barely noticeable and be positive when you want it. Melee is brutal in execution because there's zero buffer and everything has to be near frame perfect

[nova oar]

Top 50 in my region, top 2k global 😔

[nova oar]

Unfortunately not, good game tho just never got into it

[nova oar]

No

[cunning laurel]

thats sick i still play too. who do you play

[nova oar]

Zariel, got them to lvl 100, ransom is my second main

Lot of gaunts and bow

You?

[cunning laurel]

i been on petra and val forever

[nova oar]

Hell yeah

What region are you?

[cunning laurel]

na west

when i played seriously i was only like 2200 though

[nova oar]

I'm 2200 rn so with the lag you could probably take me

[nova oar]

What rank does that get you in us-w?

[cunning laurel]

well anything above 2k is just diamond i thought

im not close on those global leaderboards

[nova oar]

2200 gets you top 5k global easy

Idk about us servers tho but y'all have alot more valhallans

[nova oar]

Were you around for the new rank they added?

[cunning laurel]

i dont recall one no

[nova oar]

Called valhallan, you have to be top XXX in a region to get it, in 1s or 2s

[wide wigeon]

I finally get how good medea is holyyyyy

got to the house within 10 minutes but had to pick antler and die to gramps

[torn wind]

As it was fated

All must pick antler and die instantly

[abstract aspen]

I don't know why but I don't use death defiance anymore

[torn wind]

I just am not confident enough with Chronos and Typhon yet to not have them

I usually end up playing them too aggressively for my skill level

[abstract aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/4xtCdai
here ly last 20fear run

just use strenght twice, you'll die but then you'll love it

[torn wind]

Lolll 1/405 health

[abstract aspen]

and I had 40shield

[torn wind]

Absolute stress though

[abstract aspen]

that was the longest pv I ever had

[torn wind]

I ought to do no-DD. Maybe after I get my 32 fear I’ll go for it

I beat both max rivals first try so I’m confident

Maybe a bit too much lol

[abstract aspen]

rivals it gives me asthma

[torn wind]

I did my max rivals and first 24 fear surface on the same run lol

I should have used Frenzy but I was still delusional on using hordes and grit

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message

432k omega attack damage lol

[abstract aspen]

didn't know this chan existed gotta use it now

[torn wind]

Yeah only place you can post images or videos other than help chat

Also my dumb ass didn’t know you could change off of jeweled pom and it would remain active

So I had it for the full run

[nova oar]

[torn wind]

I mean what other keepsake in the entire game, other than the fates ones, persists after removal?

I had no reason to assume that was such since it doesn’t say anything about that

[tropic ravine]

Fig leaf

[torn wind]

Now see I didn’t know that either

[sturdy goblet]

Discordant bell?

[torn wind]

Well so the assumption is that keepsakes only apply while equipped

That’s the confusing part is there’s ones that break that rule and it’s not entirely clear which ones and in what way. I know the fates’ whim ones do now, and apparently fig leaf, but does bell still give bonuses and stack when not equipped?

Or just gives the bonuses but doesn’t stack?

[sturdy goblet]

When they state "night" instead of encounter they persist.

[torn wind]

Well so the Fates Whim ones don’t say that

They just say “while at Fates’ whim” which doesn’t imply it persists

So I didn’t know I could change it and as long as I didn’t break the fates’ whim I’d still get it

[nova oar]

Yeah it does

While at fates whim means the whole run/until you break it

[sturdy goblet]

I think the average player breaks the whim anyways when choosing an olympian boon after and it gets cancelled.

[nova oar]

I do it on purpose with amulet

[torn wind]

How does that imply it? No other keepsake in the game says “persists when unequipped” or anything

[sturdy goblet]

Athena my beloved

[torn wind]

So I’d assume that’s the same here, but it’s whatever

It’s nitpicks on wording that could be remedied with a few extra words in the description

[split shuttle]

well thats sgg wording for u

[nova oar]

Wait until you find out about plurals

[sturdy goblet]

Can't believe I became night's champion before unlocking night rerolls 😂. I am truly him. Fear 67 next

[merry echo]

Yall heard of the zagreus journey mod?

[sturdy goblet]

The one that combines both games?

[torn wind]

I just need a 32 fear underworld run and I’ll have nights champion

[merry echo]

Yep it lets you do runs from the og hades

As melinoë

[nova oar]

Night rerolls are post epilogue tho

[torn wind]

Interesting there isn’t a steam achievement for night’s champion since I’d argue the greater chaos below is harder

[sturdy goblet]

I did some insane prep to finish 32 underworld

Played a chaos trial with aphrodite and hoped that echo & concave stone will hit at the same time. It did 🤣

[nova oar]

Yeah fr

[torn wind]

Greater chaos is the rarest achievement for a reason (not counting all achievements)

[nova oar]

You're ready for 62f

[sturdy goblet]

Yeah I alr know
Jeweled Pom -> Fig Leaf -> Concave stone -> Hopes and dreams that I don't randomly die to Chronos cause I'm running strength 🤣

[split shuttle]

nah

[nova oar]

Why are you taking stone

[split shuttle]

as a 65f clearer

[nova oar]

Don't do that

[torn wind]

Concave stone is better than time piece or calling card?

Doesn’t seem like it

[nova oar]

It's not, even tho card is mid

[split shuttle]

take jpom into time piece into ghost onion or experimental hammer into pin or antler

[sturdy goblet]

If you're hunting a specific boon

[torn wind]

Yeah but I’d rather time piece for extra gold and bank on the Charon shop

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/cZbykqA

[sturdy goblet]

In my case I'm always going for aphrodite +25% hp/magik

[torn wind]

Lots of free gold in the fields with time piece working on minor pickups

[nova oar]

Still no lmfao

[nova oar]

Time piece is always second regjon

[torn wind]

Since it’s just gonna proc and give you the one you didn’t want lol

[nova oar]

If you absolutely must take card then do it 3rd region, but there are better keepsakes

[nova oar]

See keepsake tierlist above

[torn wind]

Fair, in Oceanus I guess I’ve already used up my artificer arcana

So better to get gold from them

[nova oar]

Better off saving chrolex for poms, hexes, the odd boon, and then ashes/bones

Or magic

I don't really like using it in fields cause 150 gold

[torn wind]

Fair enough, more gold and means not bloating your build with gods you don’t want

And especially with jeweled Pom I basically always avoid poms until the end

Or if I have spare gold

Noted for the future

[nova oar]

Yeah i only choose poms if its in a fields room I want or the other door is buns

[nova oar]

Especially with denial sometimes it's better to sac the family dispute boon for 760

[torn wind]

For sure, still rather a Pom over ashes or something most often

Yeah that’s fair I haven’t messed with Denial at all so don’t really know the strats and all around that

Least now that I finished bearing dark gifts I can just run what I want

And focus more on actually getting good builds going

Quick opinion, Artemis or Morrigan? I assume Artemis cause crit is broken and having a block is great but Morrigan is pretty fun

Pan feels pretty lame except when I get a really good setup

[split shuttle]

common censensus is artemis sucks

and morrigan is the best of all the blades

[torn wind]

That so? Interesting. I’d assumed Artemis was at least top 2

[split shuttle]

reason is once the crit is over ur basically playing lvl 0 mel blades which sucks

[torn wind]

I assume blades in general isn’t very high on the list but yeah Morrigan feels pretty strong

[torn wind]

Makes sense, you have to play around it a lot more. Morrigan you can just spam the combo

Pan I just get annoyed with unless I get the Daedalus that throws them all straight

[slim pike]

The list of things you can parry is funny though

You can parry an instakill attack, you can parry a thorny hedge

[torn wind]

You can parry chronos blasts? Damn

[slim pike]

I think you can parry chaos Doom

[torn wind]

Lolll

“Nah chaos, not today, I got my bubble”

[slim pike]

Parry cerberus crashing through the floor beneath you

[torn wind]

Is there anything it can’t parry?

[nova oar]

Artemis is balls

[slim pike]

Parry Typhon's entire chin

[nova oar]

No

[slim pike]

Not sure if it can parry timer expiry

[torn wind]

I know you can’t prevent time vow damage but that’s likely the only thing

Or poison I guess

[slim pike]

anything tagged as pure damage

[torn wind]

Yeah

[slim pike]

so technically not chaos gate damage either, but like, you can't be charging an omega at that point anyway

[nova oar]

I'll do my best to make an objective power aspect tierlist

[torn wind]

So I’m assuming for blades it’s probably Morr > Pan > Mel > Art?

[real scarab]

morrigan > Mel > art > pan imo

[torn wind]

I wasn’t sure where pan sat tbh

It felt either ass or insane and no in between

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/UWXk37s

[torn wind]

Depending on how lucky I got with tracking

[nova oar]

It used to be the strongest aspect and got the nerf book thrown at it

[slim pike]

was a victim of the hook knives merger

[torn wind]

Mel staff is S tier?

[split shuttle]

yes

[torn wind]

Circe felt strong but I didn’t expect Mel staff

[real scarab]

bad tier list, anubis and Hel both require an on hit attack and Hel is safer

[split shuttle]

anubis you can run % attacks tbh

[slim pike]

Staff is S tier

[split shuttle]

i almost won a run with apollo attack but i lost cuz ass tartarus

[slim pike]

Momus is strong but just looks weak by comparison

[real scarab]

and charon requires too specific setup to be S tier

[slim pike]

Axe is generally more fussy

[real scarab]

is it as good tho?

[torn wind]

True potential and overall strength do deserve different tier list

I love spamming arc flash blitz with Anubis lol

[split shuttle]

nah

[slim pike]

Thanatos is one of the most flexible weapons in the game, but still reallllly wants that psychic whirlygig

[torn wind]

Let me find the funny build I had one second I posted it before

[night acorn]

How long now since 1.0 ?

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[slim pike]

Some months

[torn wind]

This was my Anubis blitz build. Was slow still though

Burning desire with thermal dynamics and pyro technique with arc flash

Was fun

[real scarab]

I think Nergal is best axe, getting psychic whirlwind is free win, and you can even manage without it

[torn wind]

Check the very next post after that link I sent

Got a funny nergal build just running around with cut above and psychic whirlwind

Cut above wasn’t very strong but it was funny

Would have definitely been better if I got weed killer or something

[real scarab]

Cut above is better on torches #h2-victory-boasting message

[torn wind]

Yeah definitely. I’ve had it on there before and it was nuts

[potent nest]

@torn windautohotkey worked with making beach ball release diagonally. I made my mouse button release wasd simultaneously.

[torn wind]

Also I’m realizing I’m apparently a psychopath for actually running max hordes and grit rather than other stuff lol

[torn wind]

Ah dang nice

Would work for all the 0 times I take beach ball

[potent nest]

that's 100% of the time

[torn wind]

Is Beach Ball like actually goated and I’m just dumb?

Just doesn’t feel that strong at first to me

[nova oar]

It's not a 62f tierlist

[real scarab]

Idt anubis is 4 tiers stronger than Hel in any fear lol

[nova oar]

It absolutely is, anubis can work with any god pool, hel needs one of 3 boons to be good

Id agree with charon being A tho

[torn wind]

Charon is insane with setup

It’s the Batman of aspects lol

“Just give him prep time he solos any verse”

[real scarab]

there are total 9 gods anyway, 4/9 not bad (zeus, hestia, heph, pos)

[nova oar]

Just run an ospecial build

[torn wind]

I’m assuming heph because Anubis can instantly proc blasts?

Or are we talking hel

[real scarab]

because heph attack is also good on Hel

[real scarab]

ye

[torn wind]

Got ya

But I’d say those same ones you said are also good for Anubis lol

I need to do more Anubis. Haven’t since that arc flash one

[nova oar]

I feel anubis is alot stronger than hel regardless

[real scarab]

nah I think they're pretty similar

but I never play omega special spam anubis

[torn wind]

I think I managed to launch a guy outside the map with that one time

Broke the encounter and couldn’t clear it. Had to trash the run in Tartarus cause I didn’t know how to recover a save at the time

That was the day I joined the server to get help lol

Had the game since November I think

[nova oar]

Only way to get good speeds on the weapon plus makes it easier to work around jpom

[nova oar]

So you're a youngling

[torn wind]

Relatively I’m baby

95 hours feels so small

[real scarab]

I also play since 1.0 but I have over 300 hours

[torn wind]

I think I’m at like Wraith VI rank

But hadn’t really been hoarding kudos

[limpid oar]

I adore Hel but Anubis is so much better it's not even close

[real scarab]

one is S and the other is D on the list tho

[torn wind]

Yeah the gap probably isn’t THAT big

[nova oar]

It is

My hel 40f was harder than my anubis 55f

[torn wind]

It is tough to rank roguelikes because of the nature of randomness but that’s a fair metric

I mean I had plenty of runs that made the best aspects feel like ass because the rng gods decided I can’t have good things

And plenty that made the bottom tier ones feel godly

[nova oar]

Also depends on how good you are at building

[nova oar]

All aspects can have god runs doing tons of damage

My best surface run is on mf mom skul

[split shuttle]

my best surface run is on medea

[torn wind]

Meta slave point and laugh

jk /s

But yeah some of my best runs are with like Circe, Morrigan, Mel skull, Charon

[nova oar]

All of which are great aspects btw

[torn wind]

Persephone is one of those that seems like it’d be really strong because of the poms but evens out to just okay due to the lack of attacks power

[torn wind]

I know I was validating the tier list

[nova oar]

Ah

[torn wind]

I was specifically saying S and A tiers

[nova oar]

@split shuttle you're better than me, thoughts on the tierlist https://imgur.com/a/UWXk37s

[split shuttle]

give me the tier list link ill give my own tier list

[nova oar]

It gave me my only fastest possible typhon kill because possessed array and fine line

[torn wind]

P array activates fine line?

[split shuttle]

yes

[nova oar]

Here you go pookie

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-2-weapon-aspects-including-hidden-aspects-18372763

[torn wind]

And yet momus doesn’t another momus L

But makes sense since p array actually costs magick unlike momus

[nova oar]

Yep, and cut above, and fine line, and whatever else uses omegas, it just doesn't count as using magic

[torn wind]

The fact it counts for exceptional talent is goofy

But Ferb I know what we’re gonna do tomorrow

[split shuttle]

ill send the tier list in builds chat

[obtuse wyvern]

so like if you rage baited chronos would that make chronos triggered

[torn wind]

Chrono Trigger reference? In 2026?

[agile plank]

what’s a good speedrun time for the underworld

i used to be ok at speedrunning hades 1 and my best time in that game was like 7 and a half mins

i tried my first ever speedrun in hades 2 and got 7:30 so i’m guessing hades 2 is a bit easier to speedrun? like the times are lower?

[nova oar]

Sub 5 minutes

I'm joking lmao, 7.30 is a solid time, in my experience most people can reach around 6 minutes pretty easily, but 5.30 and below is when it gets tough

Wr is 3.56 by foolish

[agile plank]

nice

[nova oar]

I've been stuck at 5.30.86 for a while, it's mostly just rng

[agile plank]

yeah tbf i definitely could do much better, got barely any frees in erebus and got lost in one of the mourning fields rooms😅

[nova oar]

Fields throws so many of my runs lmaooo

I'll be out of oceanus at 2.30 and then leave fields at 4 minutes every time

[agile plank]

the run before i was on craaaazy pace, genuinely would’ve gotten like 6 mins but then i got lost for a minute straight and just gave up and restarted😭

[short raft]

How does Aspect of Selene and premium services interact?
i get like, less MP requiered?

[timid vigil]

Yes

[short raft]

that sounds very bad xD

[timid vigil]

its... yeah its bad...

[short raft]

Wait, and aspect of Momus?

[timid vigil]

Well the aspect itself is bad so I'm not surprised, but the extra level on premium service can be very hit or miss depending on the aspect, even on good aspects

[timid vigil]

Time between the repeat omegas, I think it goes to exactly to how pre nerf momus was

[crude dragon]

It goes to 1 second between shots

[short raft]

that sounds insane.

[crude dragon]

Not quite the half second it was before the nerf, but still worth picking up

[torn wind]

Selene aspect is like bottom 3 in the game at least in high fear

Basically anything is viable at low fear

Since the game is entirely meant to be beaten up to like 12 fear with zero aspect upgrades

[nova oar]

Selene my hated

[nova oar]

You could do 32 just fine like that

With base mel aspects

[torn wind]

For the average player maybe not but I’m sure if I avoided showers long enough I could do it

Selene aspect is just so bad because it’s only buff is a very mediocre hex

The 50% omega attack bonus is fine and it can be okay with enough paths of stars but those are luxuries that start to go away with fear

[nova oar]

The worst part about it is not the hex, it's the fact that the upgrade tree is different every time and takes 2-3 WHOLE REGIONS to make it DO ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER

[timid vigil]

And the fact that the hex itself costs too much for a weapon where the omegas aren't that great.

[nova oar]

AND IT DOESN'T HELP that the COAT OMEGAS are BUNS half OF THE MCFLIPPING TIME

[split shuttle]

only goated coat omega is omega boost and ill stand by that

[timid vigil]

Youre right

[split shuttle]

carries non supay daso and activates free shimmering rockets

whats there to hate

[final saddle]

I don’t have Supay unlocked but the aspect of Nyx is ridiculous

[torn wind]

The thing that just sucks about Selene is it stops me from getting a better hex

Like if that hex was an option I could take for any weapon it might actually be decent

But yeah it’s locked on a weapon I don’t want to use omegas on

Except the occasional funny punch

[nova oar]

Hexes in general suck outside of providing utility

[torn wind]

Don’t you ever insult my hestia eclipse and morphs ever again

[crude dragon]

The utility in question:

[nova oar]

Not saying they're mad, morph is actually one of the good utility ones, but the godsent requires alot of setup, magic using aspect, and I just never find it to be worth it

[torn wind]

Yeah makes sense

[nova oar]

500 gold gives more value

Phase shift can bug the final bosses

Moon water is just bad

[torn wind]

Now if that Selene aspect hex was available to get on staff or Charon axe or something we might have something on our hands

[nova oar]

Wolf howl and twilight curse are good

Lunar Ray is buns

Total eclipse is buns

Dark side is just a straight up downgrade and makes you worse

[torn wind]

On low fear you can get away with a lot of goofy BS

Now I did have a funny run with dark side that I got the critical hits and special boom upgrades and had Hera special. Killed the Typhon twins super fast by stuttering on the edge of the special range

[nova oar]

Yeah my problem is, hexes are a little too strong early game, and a little too weak lategame, they need something else other than godsent and something taken away that has to be unlocked after credits to stop new players crutching on them

[torn wind]

The only good thing with them half the time is flat damage buffs after use

Since most of them actively do less damage than my other option

If you manage to get enough “+5% damage during this encounter” that’s helpful but that’s about it

[silver topaz]

I think theyre balanced tbh. Lunar ray melts everything

[torn wind]

If you manage to get enough paths

[nova oar]

After about 7 path of stars and 3 regions of setup yeah

[torn wind]

Something you can’t really afford at higher fear

[nova oar]

I can have a build doing similar damage coming out of erebus/ephrya

[silver topaz]

you dont need to set up everything around it

[nova oar]

It's never been the fact that they don't do enough damage

It's what you need to sacrifice to get that damage

[silver topaz]

i never choose hexes over boon rooms and i almost always manage to get lots of paths

[nova oar]

What's your highest fear clear then?

I'm not trying to be elitist or anything

[silver topaz]

32

[nova oar]

But there is a point where almost every run you do outpaces the best hex runs

Especially when most of the aspects don't do great with omegas

[unborn snow]

lunar ray is for me usable only with prominence

[nova oar]

Oh yeah and you need godsents

So getting the right one for the god you have isn't even consistent

[slim pike]

Get All Together just to force your godsent to appear

[nova oar]

😭

[slim pike]

it actually works, too

[torn wind]

“See Selene I have hestia see see”

[slim pike]

getting the infusion for a god is enough to allow its godsent to get added

[torn wind]

Ignore that slow cooker only has 1 level that’s not important

[final saddle]

What are godsents?

[torn wind]

Hexes can get a special bonus that can be used once per encounter

Requires you to have at least one boon from the corresponding god

Total eclipse is hestia, lunar ray is Apollo, wolf howl is Hephaestus, and so on

You unlock the godsent effect in your path of stars

Can see all the godsents in selene’s offerings tab

[strong nymph]

I would love to play the game on the cinematic aspect ratio

Sucks that it only got used on thr Bewitching Eyes intro on the boss fight

[brave gate]

Do allies summoned by Night Bloom and the Hera + Apollo duo attack an enemy that’s charmed by the Hera + Aphrodite duo? I want to know if I can have 3 Wardens attacking Typhon lmao

[obtuse wyvern]

Grinding to make the house of hades pretty in hades 1 knowing it’s all going to be in vain and Chronos will screw over everything in 2

[torn wind]

I honestly can’t say, I got really close to having that funny build one time

I did get the night gloom Hera and sun worshipper

Had an elite dracon darting around the screen at light speed doing 1200 damage per hit

[brave gate]

Yeah I got it the other day. Somewhere in #h2-victory-boasting

[dreamy cave]

Are there any mods that will let you visit end game areas again after completing everything?

[brave gate]

I had 2 Yargonaughts against Typhon

[brave gate]

There’s an incantation that lets you replay the final act stuff

[torn wind]

I did have a run where I got one with sun worshipper and it was doing like 3.5k per attack every 2 or 3 seconds

To Typhon

[dreamy cave]

Is it repeatable lol?
Just doing my first rerun since I never got around to doing it when the ending update dropped

[brave gate]

Yes

[torn wind]

The hades bust in the corner that you can salute

[dreamy cave]

Ty

[torn wind]

You can use it to rewind time to re-do the end of the story

[brave gate]

I wish the Night Bloom enemy carried over between rooms so I could have the Erymanthian Boar for an entire run 😭

[torn wind]

Or whatever time in the story I haven’t used it

[torn wind]

HOG RIDERRRRRR

[crude dragon]

It resets you fully

[broken glen]

I want to be able to use it on every boss, not just the sirens

[craggy totem]

TBF you still can use it on bosses with adds

There's the Night Bloom sheepball bodyblock on Hec... punchyman for final Cerb phase (are the Rivals Cerb summons any good to use?)... funni personal healglass on Chronos...

I guess Polyphemus and Eris summons are kinda meh, and Prometheus summons feel very ignorable

But there's the little eyeball guys on Typhon that feel pretty value, or the Rivals version where you could get the Boar

[broken glen]

But I want to pull up on chronos with Hecate

Bring your mother to work day

(Getting to fight with her in the finale would’ve been awesome though)

[jolly hound]

heal glass on chronos is a giant disappointment

if you have both night bloom and sun worshipper, you can get two boars/yargonauts in your team vs typhon

[craggy totem]

But can you deny it's hilarious

[jolly hound]

I lost cause I was counting on it to heal me enough to survive phase 3 once and hourglass homie disappeared on the phase shift, it was a funny concept but a bummer

[median plinth]

if you're using the hex you can summon it after phase starts

[gusty maple]

it's nearly impossible to stay in range of its heal though, and you'd end up taking a big scythe hit on your face before getting healed for 10

[median plinth]

yeah but since I'd get hit by the scythe hit anyway, at least I got 10 hp

I have enjoyed summoning the 1st phase miniboss on 2nd phase while chronos is cycling instakills

[honest tulip]

I bet Tantalus would be a really cool npc

Imaging if he gave you really good stuff but they also removed something from you. Like. Increased base chance for epic boons but they cannot be heroic legendary or duo anymore

You gain 300% more gold but you're capped at 500

+100% fish but you can't get the elusive

[brave gate]

I know this is only an example but that would be so bad 😭

I get your point tho

Maybe lose half your max health for global damage reduction for the rest of the run

[honest tulip]

They must be tantalizing

[fresh wind]

Was just offered Heroic Tough Gain Lv. 7 lmao

-10 damage per hit

[brave gate]

Was actually just talking about this

#h2-builds-and-combat message

I’m wondering if there’s a limit

Like if it’s level 20 and Heroic does that mean it’ll be -23?

[fresh wind]

Lol what a coincidence

[crude dragon]

Yes

[brave gate]

I wanna know what’s the highest someone has gotten

Full on invincible

[fresh wind]

As I just learned -10 wasn't enough to survive chronos otk

After running some math

[brave gate]

Add Demeter infusion on to it too

[brave gate]

Yeah the “insta” kill is 999 damage

I’ve survived it before

[fresh wind]

I was speedrunning and got caught between trying to kill him and dodging/getting to safe zone

[brave gate]

I have around 500 HP, Strength Arcana, the Aphrodite + Poseidon duo, and Chronos had weak on him

[fresh wind]

And died bc I didnt commit to one

[brave gate]

😞

[brave gate]

Can also just have 1 bit of armor lol

[wispy storm]

What do we think is this takeable or is it still a pass
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/919729815031001141/1466162093358059803/image.png?ex=697bbd5b&is=697a6bdb&hm=51e393fb7c80037bd0ad143f483d8844a82d90c5cde1d0ad7a9bc8089f67d031&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[brave gate]

What aspect are you using?

I sometimes use Tranquil Gain if the aspect works with it, but I usually only use it as a last resort lol

[wispy storm]

Mel Staff, no frenzy on, honestly? i think i'm gonna go for it xD

[brave gate]

Without frenzy sure

@wispy storm Oh I discovered some cool Tranquil Gain tech the other week:

With the Wolf Howl hex, the period while you’re aiming + the animation count as “inactive” for Tranquil Gain. I was using one of the torch aspects and it was sooooooo good.

One omega special + 1-2 omega attacks charged up Wolf Howl. I’d use the hex and be back at full mana

[wispy storm]

oooooooo good shout

[brave gate]

Yup. And Wolf Howl is already really good for survivability

Even good damage with some upgrades

[still mantle]

Do "global" danage bonuses like origination work on nexus rush?

[still mantle]

I dont understand why ppl hate on tranquil gain

[viscid geyser]

hey guys, i have been playing h2 on and off for a bit and am ashamed to admit that i have paid less attention than i should.
I have now started my first runs where i collect fear / testaments, but I am a bit unsure what to do with that then. I also switched the game language from German to English to better communicate here so please bear with me if I am not understanding some terms.
My plan would be to just do a couple of runs for fear / testaments and try to get as far as i can there. Is there anything else i should 'focus' on?
I think i have done aroung 50 nights (probably a bit late to start with the testaments since i have those unlocked for a bit now 😬)

any help is much appreciated 🙂

[cunning laurel]

if you complete a testament, you get a material to upgrade your weapons

as for what to focus on, you cant really go wrong

[jolly hound]

The fear wins unlock nightmare which is used to upgrade and unlock new weapon aspects. Stick with what feels good for now and when you get a blowout win, try something else

[viscid geyser]

thanks 🙂
will look out for that.

are aspects stacking or do i have to choose one for each weapon?

[brave gate]

Global damage works on everything

[wispy storm]

You can do it with any aspect, as long as it's the right weapon! (as in the one listed on the testament you're going for)

[still mantle]

So tall order does too?

[brave gate]

Yes. But my bad I forgot to mention that hitch damage is different

[viscid geyser]

yeah, i meant rather if all 3 of them are applying, so if i upgrade one of them, i will get the bonus without having to "choose" the particular aspect

[brave gate]

Only thing that increased hitch damage is that one Hera boon I’m pretty sure.

Maybe Air Quality as well

[crude dragon]

Have to choose one

[viscid geyser]

i feel like i should know this, but where do i choose the particular aspect?

[wispy storm]

Ah good question, you upgrade the aspects themselves not the weapons as a whole, so if you have a favorite aspect you want to improve the power on that's a good place to spend the nightmare resource

[brave gate]

Go to the weapon itself. Not the center of the weapon circle

[crude dragon]

You go up to the weapon itself, assuming you have multiple unlocked

[brave gate]

If you’re playing on controller, press right bumper

[wispy storm]

To upgrade and unlock weapons/aspects you have to interact with the glowy centerpiece in the training grounds (But to select the weapon/aspect for use, interact with the weapon itself )

[jolly hound]

Note that you need a non Mel aspect maxed out to unlock hidden aspects. My favs are Circe staff, moros torches, Medea skull and as of yesterday Charon axe

[viscid geyser]

ah, for me it was the left bumper on the controller to select it
Thanks 🙂

[brave gate]

Oops I forgor 🤭

[still mantle]

Ok

[brave gate]

Why are you interested in Nexus Rush specifically?

[viscid geyser]

when doing testaments and they are too easy (since i waited too long 😄 ), it would probably not the worst to select more vows to gain a bit more fear per run, right?

[cunning laurel]

yup try to do a testament every run if you can

[brave gate]

Yeah try jumping to 8 or even 16 to start out. I can give you a set of vows if you’d like

[viscid geyser]

yeah, sure 🙂
since i only completed one testament i was going for 4 fear in my next one (requirement is 1), but i am deifnitely up for the challenge with 8 or 16

[crude dragon]

The only penalty for overshooting your Fear target is the Vow itself, so might as well

[brave gate]

Kk. I’ll give 8 first

[still mantle]

I have a very very very stupid meme build idea

[cunning laurel]

8 is literally 2 vows just choose any easy ones

[brave gate]

@viscid geyser Side note first:

I recommend you start using Vow of Frenzy 2 now rather than later. It’s not that it’s super easy. It’s just that it’s good to get used to it early on.

[viscid geyser]

yeah, makes sense. I was just afraid that i would not be able to kill the first boss, but i could easily tune it down a notch then and try again i Guess

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsMCwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDAsMF0=
@viscid geyser Here this is 16 with Frenzy 2

And don’t be afraid of the Timer. At the end of a region, any leftover time you have goes to the next one

[viscid geyser]

oh nice!

thanks a lot for all the help. will try the 16 fear build now

[brave gate]

The timer also pauses for dialogue, selecting boons, shop rooms, NPC rooms, and between region rooms.

Also for Artemis, Nemesis, Icarus, and Heracles rooms.

[brave gate]

No problem!

If Frenzy 2 feels discouraging after a couple of runs, you could try getting used to Frenzy 1 first. That’s what I did personally.

[viscid geyser]

yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I personally went for hordes 1 first in my last 1 fear run because i thought if i can beat 10 enemies i can beat 12 as well. but combining that with frenzy and the other stuff is probably not the best idea at first 😄

[brave gate]

Hordes, pain, and grit are all a LOT worse than they sound. You don’t have to touch those for awhile

[jolly hound]

you could tho

And yeah frenzy 1 is take like 10 losses then you’ll get the hang of it then repeat for frenzy 2

[calm flicker]

For experienced, but not cracked players like me, how much of a tradeoff is using the region 1 Fountain for Eris Ashes?

[craggy totem]

NGL it feels like Rivals Eris has been beating me black and blue ever since I turned on Frenzy 2... though tbf, since I only ever see Rivals Eris when I'm doing Surface Fear runs I'm uncomfortable with, I'm sure that doesn't help

[craggy totem]

Eris ashes?

[calm flicker]

Whoops. I forgot to mention I'm considering a new save file.

[craggy totem]

Oh, are you trying to keep your health low to avoid her?

[calm flicker]

Maybe, but she gives Ashes.

[craggy totem]

Ashes is common as hell

Up to you tbh

[calm flicker]

The first 10 runs or so definitely appreciates more Ashes.

I don't know what I'm going to do in Oceanus Night 1.

[still mantle]

Me taking hordes 2 grit 1 every single time

[calm flicker]

Then again, if I defeated Hecate in my first ever run in Hades 2 ever, maybe I can take her on...?

[still mantle]

I dont think heracles pauses it

[brave gate]

He does

[craggy totem]

Watch a Fresh File run :B

[brave gate]

The timer just resumes after all the enemies are dead

[still mantle]

Fir some reason I remember him not

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMiwxLDMsMywzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNV0%3D

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsMCwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMTJd
For the love of God please just use this. Add any 1 point vow you want to get to 32

If you don't want Rivals 4, use this: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsOF0=

[still mantle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDAsOF0%3D

[brave gate]

That's fine

Maybe do Hubris 1 and Return 1 so you can start getting used to Hubris

[still mantle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

[worn barn]

do the onion boons from denial count toward your god pool?

if I take e.g. hestia as my onion break, does she then end up permanently in my pool?

[final saddle]

Eris Rivals is the same principal as regular Eris

Stay behind her, in Frenzy you have to dash behind her the second she lands or get the heck out

The balls that she shoots deal small damage around them and explode when she shoots them, so be careful, and be especially careful about getting knocked back into the lava

[brave gate]

no

[worn barn]

rad thanks!

[craggy totem]

I know the principles, I'm specifically saying that I'm having trouble executing in the circumstances where I'm coming across her :P

Unfortunately the knowledge does not translate to ability 😆

[astral tangle]

Hello folks 👋 Question(s) about the task "Take the Embryo all the way to victory". I figured that I needed it equipped from the start-to-finish (But I'm not 100%, so I went with that thought anyway). Anyhow.. I stumbled upon Echo and found "Gift Gift Gift", does anyone know if that counts towards the task? Say that I were to swap keepsake after Cerebus, and the Embryo effect is intact.

[final saddle]

The trick for me is never stop running, do you have auto sprint on? It really helps that I don’t have to activate sprint when I see her land and can just run and dash behind wherever she is

[brave gate]

https://imgur.com/a/vxqr0je
@nova oar Made that spreadsheet. Has the option to sort by the different categories ascending or descending

[brave gate]

It only makes you “Keep the effects” of the equipped keepsake, so I doubt it

[astral tangle]

Right.. I didn't dare to gamble on it, just kept going with it equipped

[jolly hound]

Rivals 4 before fangs

[pearl agate]

i have killed myself for 100 nights in a row i have deepend trust with litterally everyone and odysseus litterally will not give me unfinished business

please help

[cunning laurel]

is he talking to you at all

[pearl agate]

Only the short one liners like, death to chronos am I right

nvm I read this channel that other people had the same problem and eventually I got it

Thank you anyway

[jolly hound]

fight Polyphemus with knuckle bones

oh you got it nvm

[calm flicker]

Am I able to finish the Polyphemous Knuckle Bones quest in the first encounter?

I'd rather equip an Olympian-summoning boon.

That's why it took me so long to advance Odysseus' arc.

[jolly hound]

you can just do the fight and lose nbd

[brave gate]

Buddy look at my very next message 😭

[jolly hound]

I got distracted

[rose relic]

ok sooo i just finished my secound run ... and now i got a new spell ||Dissolation of time|| and because there is an unknown ingrediant i believe i need to kill ||typhon|| now right?

[still mantle]

Still

[nova oar]

You have a lot more runs to do

[still mantle]

Fangs should probably go on even before rivals 3

[nova oar]

On both routes

[craggy totem]

Yep. I appreciate the kind thoughts but it's genuinely just skill issue on a physical level haha

[calm flicker]

I wish collecting Bones granted +7 max Magick.

[torn wind]

Any reason for the extra 2?

Is 7 somehow that much more significant than 5?

[calm flicker]

Because increasing max Magick is generally portrayed to be cheaper than max HP.

[torn wind]

That’s fair. Just 7 seemed like a very specific number

[rose relic]

yeah but i assume in the direction of the mountain? i do i keep going down handing chronos his behind back?

[calm flicker]

It's more 7.5

[torn wind]

If it was 8 health and 10 magick it would be 1/3 of a centaur heart and tonic respectively

But yeah a tonic is 30 not 25

so would make sense to make bones slightly higher than ashes

[rose relic]

ok and sorry for asking but could someone explain the fear meachnic to me xD?
Because i'm getting new stuff and i dont know what to do with it or well what i can upgrade with it at least
I assume its important in some way tho

[red fox]

It is customised difficulty

If you think game too ez, add fear in

[rose relic]

ik i've played hades 1

[red fox]

Then it is basically same

[nova oar]

You still need to do both

[red fox]

Testament is one of the reward for doing it

[torn wind]

Nightmare is earned from completing bounties that require certain levels for each weapon and increases every time you complete a bounty with that weapon

Nightmare is used to upgrade non-Melanoe aspects

[craggy totem]

You also will get alternate methods of obtaining Nightmare after you've gotten your first few from Testaments, iirc (this makes it less grindy)

[torn wind]

Nightmare is earned at 1, 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 and 20 fear

[rose relic]

well yes and no, in h1 you could get higher heat to get the drops from the bosses again.
Thats a non issue in h2 beecause they always drop their stuff o.o
I dont know what to do with the stuff some bosses that are highlighted now drop? (and these highlighted ones also chance per night? and weapon?)

[rose relic]

amazing ty <3

[craggy totem]

The normal boss drops are separate from the Nightmare

[red fox]

Boss has their own drop separate from testament

[torn wind]

Yeah you can get nightmare from Charon vouchers

Or broker

Charon vouchers is way more worth it IMHO

[rose relic]

oh i have also read there is a way to change the seed of a run?

or of a night rather

[torn wind]

You have to get to the epilogue and then you get an incantation for it

[rose relic]

ahhh well this is not happening anytime soon xD

ty nontherless <3

[torn wind]

No problem but yeah you can’t reroll nights until you unlock that. You’re seed locked unless you die

[calm flicker]

Hm? Obol vouchers are the superior source of Nightmare? I figured to get both.

[nova oar]

Yeah just do both there is no downside

[calm flicker]

It's not like there's a greater place to spend one's Obol vouchers at that point.

[torn wind]

I have 16 right now and need to just get enough Kudos for all the familiar nightmare costumes

I think I have 2 bounties left

Coat and blades I think

Can you sell nightmare for kudos after you unlock everything?

[calm flicker]

No.

Nor Nectar.

[nova oar]

No, I have over 50 and it annoys me

[torn wind]

Boo so guess I ought to not bother getting more

Since I’ll have enough after the bounties

[broken glen]

Number go bigger

[calm flicker]

Have fun slowly, uselessly amassing Nectar, fecund-face.

[nova oar]

Also got over a hundred

[calm flicker]

It frustrates me to no end.

[torn wind]

My dad plays H2 and kept using rerolls to get nectar instead of ashes or bones because of the Pom. He now has like 30 nectar and just hit the epilogue

[broken glen]

You should be able to endlessly gift Dionysus (like bouldy in h1)

[calm flicker]

That's what I was thinking!

[torn wind]

Just give him a pile of bottles that fills up over time lol

[calm flicker]

At least the Wretched Broker in Hades 1 refunded Nectar!

[nova oar]

The pool just gets replaced with nectar

[torn wind]

Yeah there was ways to sell resources in that game to some degree

[calm flicker]

It would also be funny if Narcissus became the unofficial indulgences trading center.

[torn wind]

That actually would be funny. Let him accept unlimited gifts in exchange for random things you can sell for kudos

[brave gate]

I’d rather rivals 3 than even one enemy get the vacuum perk

[torn wind]

I’ve still be unlucky I haven’t gotten a single burrower enemy for the prophecy

[nova oar]

Ok?

Rivals 3 isn't even that bad

[brave gate]

Oh i responded to the wrong message lol

[brave gate]

Meant to respond to this

[nova oar]

Fangs and rivals 3 go on at the same time

[red fox]

Next update: new fear fang 3, boss get fang modifier as well

Syclla become more chaos

[nova oar]

Oh god

[still mantle]

Its not that bad😭

Just kill fast

[nova oar]

It's not

[red fox]

Wait until 10 huge vacuuming enemy rush you

[still mantle]

Wouldn't you get pulled in multiple directions then?

[timid vigil]

vacuum + turn into sheep is the most "ah ggs" moment in the entire game

[still mantle]

?

[timid vigil]

that and chronos p3 things with time slow

[still mantle]

Why did you get dyno'd

[craggy totem]

Are you saying there is a Fangs perk that sheepballs you?

[red fox]

Yes

[still mantle]

Yes

[red fox]

You never meet that?

[craggy totem]

I don't think so. Yet I completed the prophecy.

[still mantle]

Its truly not horrible

[red fox]

You just can't see anything and suddenly become sheep

[timid vigil]

i wrote the word bull####

[craggy totem]

Can't see anything is a perk I know, it's just nicking the Shadow Spiller gimmick

[nova oar]

Yeah really bad in some encounters

[craggy totem]

I've never had a normal enemy turn me into a sheep

Not like I'm so pro at dodging or anything, I eat damage like cookies

But.... not!mom has the honor of being the only one to sheep me

[red fox]

Dodging won't help you anyway because you won't see it coming

Like you accidentally dash into that mob when it use sheep ball

[still mantle]

That never used to miss.......

.

[red fox]

Poof

[torn wind]

Yeah ass is allowed but not the S word

[old veldt]

ive never had it happen either

[still mantle]

Well for me fangs 2 goes on at like 8 fear

Timer 2 fangs 2

[torn wind]

Dodging hec’s morph is such a good early game skill check lol

[craggy totem]

@game I will accept being sheeped by a normal mob if you give me a good no-Rivals setup for GCA

[nova oar]

Timer 3 frenzy 2 max rivals is a free 24f

[torn wind]

“Hey new player, learn to dodge”

[nova oar]

Fangs, shadow, hubris, and denial go after that

And scars 2

[old veldt]

i didnt even know you COULD dodge it

[craggy totem]

Claiming that Hubris is less free than max Rivals is a wild take

[torn wind]

Yeah you HAVE to dodge through it and that’s a very rough skill check

Even more on rivals when it splits into 3

[craggy totem]

TBF the game also encourages new players to use Frinos, and Frinos can potentially nom it for you

[torn wind]

And she’s launching stuff at you at the same time

[still mantle]

I felt so good the first time I dodged it

[torn wind]

Frinos does take a good few hours before you unlock him

But yeah

[nova oar]

3 runs btw

[still mantle]

I didn't even realize i could feed frinos till like my 5th victory 😭

Or any other pet for that matter

[craggy totem]

There are players who simply didn't Confide in Frinos after every run in the main story and we are very different people

[torn wind]

Fair enough wasn’t sure how many or if you had to pass a certain region or whatever

[red fox]

Psychopath

[torn wind]

But you’re gonna get past Hecate a good few times by then and probably still struggle to dodge it

[still mantle]

Oh I confided with him

[red fox]

Imagine not talking to my frog friends everytime

[still mantle]

I just didn't notice the gift prompt😭

[red fox]

I still confide

[craggy totem]

People really be like "I upgraded all the pets why didn't I fulfill [the prophecy specifically about talking to your buddy a bunch]"

[still mantle]

Plus she has special dialogue if frinos eats it

[cobalt flint]

How dare they

[torn wind]

lol yeah I always confided with frinos

Frog 💚

[craggy totem]

Forg

[still mantle]

Yeah i got it after like 15 runs because I hadnt realized that you could confide begorehand

[torn wind]

Plan when I get on tonight is to go for a funny winners circle build

[nova oar]

Perfect mod timing

[still mantle]

Its a mod in the wild!

[torn wind]

Zeus isn’t really worth it for winners circle right? Not unless you go for prom flare?

[still mantle]

Use heph

[craggy totem]

Zeus cast? Yeah, antisynergy

[nova oar]

Apollo or poseidon

[still mantle]

Or Apollo

[torn wind]

Yeah that was my thought

[nova oar]

Heph cast isn't very good

[torn wind]

It’s decent on its own without winners circle

But yeah anti-synergy

[red fox]

Heph cast sounds effect are top tier

[still mantle]

Doesn't winner's circle speed it up tho?

[red fox]

Especially with winner circle

[craggy totem]

Hera cast could work, although it's not so great with singletarget obv

[torn wind]

Meat cutter is the ares one or whatever it’s called

[craggy totem]

Grinder

[tranquil wren]

grinder

[nova oar]

Yeah but apollo and pos are waaaaay better

[tranquil wren]

darn 🐌

[red fox]

Heph cast just not very good in general, no curse, damage isn't insane either

It is just serviceable

[nova oar]

Snol

[torn wind]

So prom flare, Poseidon or Apollo cast, meat grinder, geyser spout, winners circle. Cut above might be worth but I’d just be going for funny build not optimal

[craggy totem]

TBH if you have a rangecasting boon, and you know that you tend to be very on top of Always Be Casting, I think WC is still a good take regardless of which cast boon you have. But ofc some of them are still better than others.

[still mantle]

Hmmm....

[torn wind]

Air quality would be tough to fit in

[nova oar]

Easy shot

[nova oar]

You need air quality

[still mantle]

What if I just leveled nexus rush for a whole run?

[red fox]

Easy shot is fake

[torn wind]

Which is that? Artemis?

[still mantle]

Its decent

For crown control

[craggy totem]

Yep. If a dude takes ocast damage it gets hit with an arrow.

[still mantle]

Never say no to free damage

[craggy totem]

It's not that great, but it's funny on Charon.

[torn wind]

Ah right yeah that one

[nova oar]

Aesthetically it's my favourite boon

[red fox]

It is not free

You gave up other 2 artemis boon

[torn wind]

Isn’t there an Artemis for cast crit?

[still mantle]

On a cast build? It is.

[craggy totem]

Yeah, that's for critting on dudes in your cast

It's pretty good (unlike Easy Shot)

[still mantle]

.....

[red fox]

Well... can't disagree with that

[still mantle]

What if I just leveled nexus rush for a whole run?🤣

That's it. Thats my next funni build

[nova oar]

Have fun doing no damage to bosses

[still mantle]

I'll probably only put timer two on

It'll be a fun challenge

Should I use supay or nyx?

Nyx for omega boost

Or supay for RAW DAMAGE

[craggy totem]

The difference between roomclear and bossing is so pain sometimes

As a vibes-based player, I had an absolutely mad roomclear build one run with all the usual suspects and got Lulled into a Sense of Complacency

Then I dropped in on gramps for a visit

[still mantle]

Im going to hold you to that statement.

[red fox]

Clear room with ease, then found that your boss dmg is scorch with no pyro technique

[nova oar]

If you're doing DASO with supay or nyx you'll do it easy

[still mantle]

Ok

Its meant to be half actual fun

Does anybody have a tool that calculates boon damage for level?

[torn wind]

Easy just pick up Demeter duo 😂

Hmmm yes I have one area left time to hard lean into a duo

[craggy totem]

IIRC one of the other problems was that my build had only two curses and one of them was on sprint

Then when Chronos is covered in painblobs you're just SOL

Never rely on sprint as a linchpin of Origination I guess >_>

[torn wind]

Delicious orbs, I shall now turn off my brain and sprint into 8 of them

As it was fated

So mote it be

[crude dragon]

If it's Apollo, you can

If it's not, then yeah

[red fox]

The curse on sprint: weak

[craggy totem]

Like you're relying on the daze %chance to protect you?

[cunning laurel]

no apollo dash is a consistent curse to apply

[craggy totem]

It's not so much the consistency that was my concern, it was the not getting ganked by painblobs

and/or timebubbles

[torn wind]

Aphro dash feels so ass

[nova oar]

I love aphro dash, just not for alot of damage

[torn wind]

Or it did when I started cause it wasn’t reliable enough for weak for me

But that was very early on

I think I haven’t taken it a single time since before I beat surface first time

[red fox]

Because it isn't reliable

[broken creek]

its better than ares or zeus dash at least

[red fox]

But if you using aspect do dash strike often

[broken creek]

if ur playing axe or smth it ends up being really consistent

[red fox]

It is ok

For origination

[torn wind]

Good for coat I’d imagine

[craggy totem]

Theoretically it should be nice on coat, but I'm almost always jonesing after Hera rush

Opportunity cost yada yada

[crude dragon]

No, just that it has such a wide application radius

[craggy totem]

TIL, I honestly hadn't noticed!

[red fox]

Big aoe god has big aoe isn't that obvious

[calm flicker]

I wish Aphrodite's Rush had a bigger radius.

[crude dragon]

Imagine if her dash worked with the Aphro/Poseidon Duo

[calm flicker]

However, I would understand that the player is able to reset Weak's duration instead of needing to wait for it to expend before reapplying it?

[crude dragon]

That is correct

[red fox]

Although weak duration is just 1s

[calm flicker]

That's why I would find it so important about such information.

Come to think of it, what about Hitch? Since Hera's Rush & Ring deal DMG upon applying it.

[craggy totem]

The thing is that her rush can't deal damage to targets that already have hitch

That's why it's bad for bosses

Not just because "hitch isn't useful" but as in it literally can't damage for intervals

[calm flicker]

So it resets Hitch's duration. Good to know.

Aphrodite's Ring & Gain can handle Weak's 1s duration, but it would nonetheless appreciate the +Weak duration boon from Hades 1--especially Rush. I wonder why there wasn't room for it.

Demeter's non-slot boons have a +Freeze duration and less spectacular.

[crude dragon]

No, that's the thing

It doesn't

From what I remember, only the Attack and Special will fully reset it?

[brave gate]

Anytime you say “X vow is easy” means nothing cause you consider hubris 1 harder than hordes 3 💀

[crude dragon]

There is one, yes

[calm flicker]

So the player must wait for Hitch to expend before reapplying it?

[crude dragon]

Yep

[calm flicker]

Weird. Well, at least it does grant Hera's Ring & Rush some levity.

What about Daze?

[crude dragon]

I still think her Cast's terrible, though

[torn wind]

Hordes 3 is fun but yeah definitely not a competition in terms of actual difficulty compared to hubris

Especially since you can just run JPom and drop the rarity arcana’s

[calm flicker]

It's a Ring boon that applies a Curse. It's not spectacular, but it works for me.

[craggy totem]

You can also circumvent Hubris with Proper Upbringing and with Steady Growth, iirc

[torn wind]

Aphro cast is fine enough in a pinch but yeah not amazing. Only good part is it pulls guys in which helps for some AOE

[torn wind]

Yeah it only counts when you claim it

[craggy totem]

Although with Proper Upbringing, if you want to avoid more priming down the line, you might want to get rid of it after you've rarified your current build

[torn wind]

I also don’t think all together activates it

[crude dragon]

I'd rather have literally any other cursing Cast over hers, though

[craggy totem]

All Together does apply Hubris, unfortunately

[torn wind]

Ah damn

[craggy totem]

At least, for itself.