h2-discussion

[storm glen]

thats not a metroid thing

[devout cairn]

this is my passion in life, discussing the definition of metroidvania

[hard bane]

anyway metroidvanias aren’t really oversaturated

[storm glen]

speaking of metroid actual metroid is peak to tbis day i did not expect that

[crude dragon]

Yeah, because you still have the traversal stuff you have to unlock like the teleporter runes

[hard bane]

A game where you new gain abilities and keys to open new every areas bla bla bla

[native bramble]

yeah metroid dread is really good from what ive seen

[harsh anchor]

It has Metroid Aka Samus and Alucard, Belmont or dracula show up from time to time, ergo Metroid Vania

[storm glen]

i finally played super metroid for the first time and beat it and my god. it is actually as good as the legends say

[hard bane]

I never played an metroid game

[harsh anchor]

Say, what?

[storm glen]

played it on my tiny hacked 3ds its so good ugh

[native bramble]

i think it played some of metroid and super metroid, never beat either though cause it was like 12 years ago or sumn

[hard bane]

i sold my switch 1 for 300 bucks

[harsh anchor]

isn't discussing that kind of stuff not legal on discord?

[storm glen]

well that is how much a switch 1 costs

[hard bane]

Ahh shoot i forgot and i don’t pirate anwyays lol

[dull whale]

Any of you picking up the H2 physical tmr?

[harsh anchor]

BUt metroid is from 1987 or so.

[hard bane]

the game is legit gonerware almost

[craggy totem]

I am not, as I only own a PC, but I do love to discuss the game Hades 2 in the channel #h2-discussion h2-discussion

[storm glen]

nah metroid zero mission comes with the og in it and thats a gba game

[harsh anchor]

......30 years old games?

[hard bane]

don’t play too much of them

[dull whale]

Let's go

[hard bane]

Like the only one i played are ocarina of time and super mario 64 thats it

[harsh anchor]

well time to change that. Start with Metroid Zero Mission, remake of the first game

[hard bane]

anyway i gtg lowk cyall

[dull whale]

Yeah banger game. Holds up incredibly well

[harsh anchor]

And as a bonus you unlock the OG 87 game after beating the game

[hard bane]

actually nvm i gtg in like 20 mins

[hard bane]

explain in Hollow Knight terms

[harsh anchor]

remakes today won't dare doing stuff like that

[harsh anchor]

The whole term comes from Metroid, there is nothing to explain

[craggy totem]

If y'all had the choice of adding Hermes shrines to the underworld or Pools of Purging to the Surface which would you go for

[storm glen]

shrines

[dull whale]

Hermes to underworld

[devout cairn]

shrines

[harsh anchor]

Hermes for the win

[devout cairn]

ngl i never used pools of purging

[dull whale]

I rarely ever use purging
I see the uses but shrines are just so good

[harsh anchor]

I ve seen screenshots of people with 4K gold of more right before Chronos....how they do that?

[dull whale]

I've had 5.9k once lol

[harsh anchor]

I am guessing those have to be low heat runs

[storm glen]

chaos hermes & poseidon +gold boons, taking lategame gold doors, using chronos' keepsake

[harsh anchor]

either that or I just have a lot of room to grow.

[craggy totem]

Spoilers for post ending

[hollow acorn]

theres a keepsake for that

[storm glen]

I grow

[hollow acorn]

for the gold not the growing

[harsh anchor]

hmm I am still missing 2 keepsakes.....since When the game release I just went and made a new file

[dull whale]

Probably the post ones

[hollow acorn]

well i guess circe can make you grow

[craggy totem]

And one of the Rivals fights can ||make you reverse grow|| 🤔

[harsh anchor]

Small Melinoe>>>>>Giant Melinoe. Why? Because you sound funny

[devout cairn]

i like big mel's voice

[storm glen]

you can also grow small things

[craggy totem]

Yeah but you have to admit she still sounds pretty normal when she's been biggified

[flat nymph]

I like big mel for the damage buff

[harsh anchor]

I was ready to write a long essay about Metroid, thanks a lot for changing the subject...but only 2D metroid, I don't care about prime.

[craggy totem]

#video-games

[craggy totem]

The thing about the damage buff is that IIRC it only applies to direct weapon damage? So if you're relying a lot on on-hit effects it's not gonna do as much for ya

But the health-up is nice too

[flat nymph]

Oh huh, I didn't know that, I'll keep that in mind

[grave gorge]

Is there a reason Ares seems to always show up in shop 1? Is there like a thing that tracks your least-used gods and tries to push them?

[buoyant matrix]

no you're just getting weird rng

[devout cairn]

nah just luck, i know the feel hephaestus has been annoying me lately

but not cuz i barely use him

[craggy totem]

You're not resetting your runs, are you?

[placid cloud]

just did all achievements !
got all the bonds except one because it did not appear(Artemis)

[sage hound]

has to be bugged

[grave gorge]

Nah, dying or clearing, not undoing

[rotund hearth]

New Chronos phase 3 blew my mind

[storm glen]

you are blessed by the goat

[rotund hearth]

New ending is so perfect

[grave gorge]

Tell the goat to put his mom on the phone pls

[storm glen]

just take your wounds attack and be happy

[pallid cradle]

Welcome to the only reason Ares is useful 😂

[storm glen]

noo hes good ygs r haters

[grave gorge]

But
Born Gain 😦

[candid nimbus]

I actually like using Ares tbh

[craggy totem]

What's Born Gain got to do with Ares

[grave gorge]

My "tell ares to put his mom on the phone" joke

[candid nimbus]

Man, Tough Gain is like... No great lol

I guess it's a defense tool first and a Magick recovery second

[polar abyss]

Agreed… I think for a defensive gain, Glamour probably does more more often than Tough for what I’ve played (high fear)

[grave gorge]

My most common gain boon is Aphro, actually

But I bring Mel Daggers to most of my tough runs, so I don't care about magic at all and just want the free orig

[hollow acorn]

i only like it when i know im gonna get hit (i am using the coat)

[craggy totem]

I feel like you can kinda control the TG procs in regions with damaging terrain hazards, theoretically

[grave gorge]

I just don't like the idea of running out of mana and having to, say, eat a chronos slash to get more

[hollow acorn]

the surface 2nd and 3rd bosses have terrain hazards but i dont think the final one does

[candid nimbus]

There is that fun cheese of getting another Magick boon, upgrade it and then force a replacement with Tough Gain for better numbers, and even then...

[grave gorge]

Nah, surface endboss doesn't really have great optuons for tough gain use, either. Maybe the tiny pink balls

[devout cairn]

just use the goat gain, tranquil gain

[hollow acorn]

chat is this true

[grave gorge]

I saw that Haelian video!

[devout cairn]

there are anti-tranquil agents in here but i wouldn't trust them

[hollow acorn]

big Born Gain is watching

[grave gorge]

Tranquil gain isn't awful, but it's definitely my third or fourth choice

[candid nimbus]

Tranquil Gain is... Fine as long as you get good rarity/levels, waiting more than 0.5 seconds is dead sometimes lol

Ohhh, or if you have Wolf Howl, it is pretty hilarious seeing you recover Magick with Tranquil Gain if you're in the air

[devout cairn]

jpom kind of fixes that and I think you are overestimating how fast enemies are, and I'm talking frenzy 2 enemies

it's that tiktok!

changing people's brain!!

[candid nimbus]

Ok, calling me a TikTok consumer is where I draw the line

[storm glen]

tranquil gain is strong

[candid nimbus]

I'm too old for that TikTok

This is where I'd share that "I'm 30 years old" Megaman meme if I were able to share images here

[storm glen]

mega man zero is peak

[candid nimbus]

I don't dislike Tranquil Gain, it is arguably more convenient than chasing Ionic Gain, for example

[hollow acorn]

apollos gain is fun

[candid nimbus]

Lucid Gain my beloved

[tender oracle]

tough gain is just the worst gain boon, period

[candid nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715358736306405396/1328788976559063181/obfhuascxws81.png?ex=691f5a2b&is=691e08ab&hm=171bb733890ce663b59d51bb5429f554f73b22d2adda58182342d17c460b6b53

[rotund wing]

I can't tell if circe aspect is really good or really gimmicky but I'm getting good first impressions regardless

[candid nimbus]

It is probably one of the best Aspects of the game. Double cast alone is great, and the Psychic Leash adds good damage on top of that

[devout cairn]

it's very very strong

[rotund wing]

I've decided really good in the one chamber I did before you guys sent those

[devout cairn]

well i said very very...

[rotund wing]

Oh I didn't even consider it being very very good, my bad man

(just kidding around)

[astral birch]

I wish there was option to walk through family dispute room only to make both gods angry

[royal spear]

The Skull w/ base Aspect & Aphrodite Attack boon is stupid good

[foggy sable]

atp I only have the secret aspects of the coat and the skull left to get, which one should I prioritize unlocking?

[devout cairn]

coat

[rotund wing]

Ok yeah I'm playing aph cast, don't even have anything like furies but it is carrying this run all by itself

[devout cairn]

try zeus cast when u get the chance

[broken glen]

I wish Chrolex did that…

[crude dragon]

You'd think the Rolex would do that

[foggy sable]

when I have what I need for it im guessing I need to talk to Nyx?

[crude dragon]

Selene, from a room reward Hex

[rotund wing]

I did have the chance but it was low rarity and aph cast was much better at that point. Zeus cast good here? I'll keep that in mind thanks!

[devout cairn]

ye it's pretty good

[celest lily]

no

[craggy totem]

All of the hidden aspects are unlockable without having finished the ending, so if you ever see a weapon with two aspects named after characters in the game, pick the one who was there/talkable-to from the start.

[celest lily]

😠

[tender umbra]

Guys can someone confirm whether or not you need to give Heracles Dionysus and Athena a nectar in order to get the insight into offerings incantation

[foggy sable]

which Olympians dont have their own aspects?

[broken glen]

I don’t think there’s any cast that isn’t good with Circe, with the exception of engagement ring (which isn’t bad; just not anything special) and sword ring (which does have two duos that can buff it if you’re willing to go for it)

It’s great for FW since any god works somewhere on it (Hera is great to pop on special, rush, or gain, and ares has great supporting boons like MD)

[storm glen]

i really like ares wounds on circe

[bleak ermine]

i have a infinity symbol next to my health bar that look like a death defiance but i dont see anything that would give me on does anyone know what that is

[tranquil wren]

final ||chronos kill|| for the story gives you that for ||phase 3||

[thin laurel]

you do not need to do that.
you used to need to gift athena and dio in an older patch, but heracles has no offerings lol…? do you mean hera?

[tranquil wren]

insight into offerings is the codex thing no?

[crude dragon]

When I got it, I had all of them up to Hera

[tranquil wren]

nvm I'm dumb :)

[thin laurel]

iirc as of 1.0 it’s chaos, artemis, hermes, and then 8/9 core gods (everyone but ares)

[crude dragon]

That's the boon list, yes

[tranquil wren]

I was thinking of the incantation that lets you see what you can gift people

[thin laurel]

ahhh yes empath’s intuition
I think I only know those by name because people ask abt them here lol

[tranquil wren]

lol

[foggy sable]

I cant seem to understand what the aspect of persephone is supposed to do

[tender umbra]

I am new to the game and saw Heracles mentioned on reedit, I gave nectar to all 9 Olympians in underworld including Hera and chaos but the incantation won't show up

[devout cairn]

olympian curse damage (scorch, blitz etc) will fill up the bar next to your HP and the more it's filled up the longer your omega special lasts

[thorn root]

when you deal damage with Olympian effects (Blitz, Wounds, Heph clangs, etc) your Omega special lasts longer

also, you get up to +6 random pom levels when you take a boon

[broken glen]

Any damaging effects from olympians, not just curses- so things like Ares’ falling blades or Apollo’s prominence flare will also charge up sprouted. However, % increase things (like attack or special boons) will NOT charge it

[foggy sable]

to all other boons or the one you just collected?

[thorn root]

the one you just collected. it will show it on the boon selection screen (when you are choosing which boon to take)

[storm glen]

i love aspect of persephone its so intuitive and the gameplay loop makes sense

[foggy sable]

it kind of feels like origination the aspect lol

[storm glen]

i love an aspect that requires someone writing in depth paragraphs to describe what it does

[thorn root]

Persephone is very strong with Heph attack/special and absolutely cracked if you add Jeweled Pom

[foggy sable]

so which gods work best with it? I'd guess that at least aph would be a good addition

[thorn root]

it's pretty easy to see clangs on 2sec cooldown

[storm glen]

zeus & poseidon & ares

[crude dragon]

No, Aphro's only sources of Olympian damage are her Cast and Heartthrobs

[foggy sable]

yeah but weak is always a good curse to have

[crude dragon]

You want stuff like Hephaestus blasts, Blitz, or even Scorch

[thorn root]

heph and zeus have the best pom level->olympian damage synergy

[devout cairn]

true

[foggy sable]

so can heph hit multiple times in one attack if the cooldown is low enough?

[meager walrus]

Flat damage benefits more from poms than percent damage

[storm glen]

no

[crude dragon]

No, but the potential starting Poms means it gets off the ground faster

[thorn root]

yes, with maxed cooldown Heph special and Heph+Pos duo you can get 2 clangs in one Omega special

potentially 4 clangs if you add Heph+Hestia duo

[foggy sable]

well overall it makes sense that I was confused by the aspect, considering you cant use boons in the training area

[crude dragon]

Yeah, you can no longer see the core parts of the Aspect like you used to be able to when you filled the car's gas tank with cast damage

[foggy sable]

how does blitz work with it? im in the fates whim so I cant just choose who I want lol

[storm glen]

its good

[broken glen]

I wish they added a testing mode, where you could give yourself boons and spawn in enemies (like a debug mode but for workshopping builds)

[foggy sable]

I got rare attack and special and a common rush

if I get lightning bolts and blitz do they count separately or is it one per god

[meager walrus]

Blitz attack and blitz special do not work well together but they work with all the non blitz lightning effects

[thin laurel]

for charging mom skull's Ωspec, having multiple gods doesn't matter (you could fully charge it with zeus attack + cast + rush if you wanted)
that only matters for Origination, and non-blitz lightning isn't a status curse so Demeter is p much the only god who cares about that clause

[crude dragon]

Blitz sources will overwrite each other, IIRC, but the other lightning bolts from the sprint, cast, and revenge boon won't

[modest dirge]

is it the one where u drive around the skull bc that’s my favourite skull one

[crude dragon]

That's the mom car, yes

[modest dirge]

ok yeah that one is so fun im not sure how good it actually is

[crude dragon]

It's the worst of the base skulls, but still solid

[thin laurel]

it's also prob the safest skull, I'd say? idk, it's a nice weapon
I also feel like the gap between "best skull" and "second best skull" is way bigger than the gap between Mel and Persephone lol

[foggy sable]

||so I havent gotten zag's keepsake yet but ill guess it also needs fates whim?||

[crude dragon]

It sure does

[thorn root]

for what it's worth, once you get the ability to reroll nights, even under fates' whim you can just roll at the fear monument until you get a good starting boon

or you can always just die, which resets your seed

[tranquil wren]

resetting can get very boring very quickly. fates whim is supposed to encourage you to experiment even more imo

[thin laurel]

mom skull is also pretty versatile, every god has at least something which can charge up the special, and you can choose to ignore the sprouted mechanics and just play it as "mel skull with bonus levels instead of extra power" if you want

[meager walrus]

I choose to ignore the mechanics and play possessed array

[thin laurel]

also yeah, this is my philosophy with it. it's fun to not reset 🤷
I reset if I'm offered something truly awful, but I don't rly reset in order to get a specific good thing, for the most part

[thorn root]

starting runs with a terrible boon selection just feels... unfun to me. but YMMV

[meager walrus]

I reset howling soul and selene start

[thorn root]

I don't mind playing without rolls, but at least let me start with something to build on

[meager walrus]

That's about it I think

[thin laurel]

some weapons suffer from that more than others imo
like, zeus/hestia/aphro start on charon I'm probably rerolling seed, personally, or ||howling soul start|| on charon. or like... hex start on some weapons where ik I won't use magick.
but for mom skull idt there's any starting boon I'd consider bad enough to reroll the seed

[tranquil wren]

I always gamble for island getaway if I have an aphro start (with charon)

[thin laurel]

wow I need to go have coffee, 3 typos in one message I'm on a roll...

[meager walrus]

The secret is that most boons are quite good when they start at +4

Also hades 2 gods are universally strong enough that even the suboptimal gods are fine to take

[thorn root]

selene with phase shift/lunar ray/dark side, lol

[thin laurel]

I think for surface I'd accept aphro start and just grab her special or something, and hope someone with a good magick regen shows up in ephyra
but high fear UW I'd be a little concerned lol

[foggy sable]

||I've lost to zagreus 3 times now, and he still refuses to show up past the first area||

[thin laurel]

hestia and aphro are both gods idm seeing on a charon run, but not gods I rly want to start with
like, flash fry + controlled burn? sure, hell yeah. maybe snuffed candle too, won't say no to that. but hestia core boons on charon... less so.

[thorn root]

I usually try to run with enough fear (frenzy 2 rivals 4 etc) that I need my build to pan out to win, so I really don't like the prospect of starting with garbage

[tranquil wren]

lol yeah fair

[thin laurel]

it depends on what you're personally comfortable with for sure. like... my standards for "screw this I'm rerolling" at 40 fear vs 62 are a bit different

also surface vs underworld, in ephyra I'll almost always accept a meh first boon because I can still get to the courtyard and be surprised by an otherwise fantastic god pool
but erebus, and esp high fear erebus, kinda sucks

[thorn root]

@foggy sable if you are just trying to get a win for keepsakes, obviously 0 fear is an option, but you want a build that gets online FAST

[thin laurel]

left erebus last night with nothing but wave flourish and glamour gain, and proceeded to not get offered a single offensive boon for all of oceanus 🙃 or any source of orig

[foggy sable]

does he only show up in the first or second area?

[thin laurel]

UW = regions 1, 2
surface = regions 2, 3
||anywhere with a midshop||

[thorn root]

hidden aspect axe with a good apollo attack, medea with apollo attack+zeus special, etc

[thin laurel]

technically UW region 3 has a midshop but it doesn't show up except in very specific circumstances ||where zag also never shows up||, i.e. chaos trials and the last UW story run before the credits

[thorn root]

I know a lot of people like Strength over DDs, but that guy hits so hard that I definitely recommend DDs+Toula

he can easily oneshot you in erebus

[tranquil wren]

yeah it's a bit ridiculous

[thin laurel]

yeah... if timer isn't on you can play safe and boring tho
storm ring + run away
howling soul + storm ring + run away so it sticks to him

[thorn root]

it is unironically similar to fighting charon in tartarus in Hades 1, lol

[tranquil wren]

I tried using soup against him at 24F erebus and uh, yeah

[thin laurel]

😭 yikes.... soup vs him sounds awful

[foggy sable]

ok I beat him... where go?

I didn't even get to give him anything he just died

[plush hawk]

whats the point of the change fate thing on the night altar?

[thin laurel]

pick up gemstone
he does drop something, might just be behind a pillar lol

[thin laurel]

reroll your seed to get a different starting boon (if you give up a night and want something different)

[foggy sable]

What

[thin laurel]

you never get to gift him lol

[plush hawk]

cuhh

[foggy sable]

I have to do that again?

[thin laurel]

||you unlock max affinity by beating him 3 times, keepsake after beating him 2 times|| then after that you just get benefits for the specific run you do it during, + dialogue ofc

[foggy sable]

I shore love diologue yes

Morrigan feels like my favorite aspect rn

[tranquil wren]

proccing blood triad is so fun

[foggy sable]

also, zeus looks so cool with it, like theres no way putting it on Morrigan is practical but it looks awesome

at least the attack

[thin laurel]

putting zeus on morrigan is actively good lol, blitz is just op

[tranquil wren]

nah just spam atk if you have an on-hit effect
and get final slice

[thin laurel]

even without final slice, you’ll prob get 2 blitz procs per triad? minimum one, and blitz is just… good

[meager walrus]

My 50f Morrigan clear was final slice

Im pretty bad with the aspect so gotta crutch

[tranquil wren]

the slicerr

[foggy sable]

I got final slice and sweeping ambush

600 base damage is fun

and I have a heroic cardio gain so I just attack once and its all back

it seems like my favorite type of aspect is either slow become fast or fast become slow

[neon hull]

what does that do?

final slice i mean

[meager walrus]

Its a hammer

[neon hull]

oh ok

[meager walrus]

The last hit of your combo is bigger and does like +300% damage

[neon hull]

nice

[meager walrus]

Its pretty awful on regular blades but really good on morrigan

Since the regular blades combo is a 4 attack string but morrigan's combo is only 2 attacks

[neon hull]

good to know

[restive pasture]

||I can't help but fight him every chance I get, usually takes multiple DDs and on my last run made me fail Time2 against Hecate 😭||

[storm glen]

really its bad on normal blades?

[meager walrus]

Its certainly not one of the premium hammers

Attack 4 is not where most of your damage is on regular blades since its somewhat unsafe to go for

With Morrigan you can dash attack -> attack 2 and get giga procs very quickly

With regular blades you get one proc if you dash attack -> attack 1 -> attack 2 -> attack 3 -> attack 4

Which is obviously a lot slower

[plush hawk]

best conversion rate from bones to kudos?

[meager walrus]

Psyche

[plush hawk]

ty

[neon hull]

i finally got raki

[winged cloak]

where I can find silver chat ?

[devout cairn]

erebus

[sleek oar]

Uw mostly

[craggy totem]

Besides being mineable as a resource node in Erebus, Narcissus in Oceanus also offers it as a reward sometimes.

[winged cloak]

copy that

thanks

[pallid cradle]

That name is a little sus. Might be a femboy

[dusty bane]

Damn, does chaos harvest not work with the auto harvest ability? You have to do it manually? Or am i just really unlucky

[neon hull]

i have a sneaking suspicion that you are, in fact a femboy 😏

[dusty bane]

My "No, I'm NOT a femboy" username seems to be raising a lot of questions already answered by my username

[winged cloak]

no I'm not a femboy

this is my brother account

I'm a emo girl and I don't have discord account

[pale pier]

Anyone else already bought the frinos plus? I did

[winged cloak]

maybe my brother is a femboy idk lol

[neon hull]

there's a frinos plush??

[craggy totem]

#announcements

[pale pier]

Yeah, new merch

[neon hull]

oh cool

[dusty bane]

I was gonna ask lmao

[pale pier]

Bro, I’m begging Supergiant to make more pop up parade figures 💔 Give me figure merch. I want to put a Mel one at least next to Zag

[craggy totem]

This is my official super serious petition that instead of whatever-whatever established toy lines, SGG establishes its own IRL line of Chthonic Chids 🫡

[little frost]

that would be so iconic

[neon hull]

i second this

[pale pier]

I wanna make like a whole Hades collection in my resin statue shelf.

I wish they’d just finally make figures of all the Olympians at least 💔

[celest lily]

WE ARE CHARLIE KIRKKKK, WE CARRY THE FLAME!

[pale pier]

Bros account is stuck in 2021 💔

Did you just get your password back

[celest lily]

Buddy, the trend was in 2016 💔

[storm glen]

im gonna kirk myself

[pale pier]

Wait fr??

I have lost the concept of time 💔

[celest lily]

Yes, sorry your sense of time is gone, but time moves fast. If you don’t stop and look around once and a while, you’ll miss it

[pale pier]

I’m old 💔 (I’m only 20)

[celest lily]

I’m 67 years old

🤓

[little frost]

makes me nearly ancient

[pale pier]

I suffer from the Covid effect 💔

I still feel like I’m still like 16 even though I’m in uni, have a job. Etc.

[celest lily]

I don’t care if people call me old. I just dab on the haters

[neon hull]

i'm old too 💔 (i'm 27)

[celest lily]

What’s 9+10? 21

[neon hull]

https://tenor.com/view/21-gif-20187208

[celest lily]

Yall remember the apparently kid

[neon hull]

who tf is that?

[celest lily]

U don’t remember the fat redhead kid? Who always said apparently

[neon hull]

no

[celest lily]

Then either u are not 27, or you’ve been living under a rock your entire life

[dusty bane]

Did they ever do the chthonic companions?

[craggy totem]

WDYM, like make merch of them?

[dusty bane]

Yeah

[neon hull]

lmao ok

[craggy totem]

I'm not aware of it but I'm not the most clued in

[foggy sable]

what aspect has the most obvious first god to use?

[craggy totem]

Charon Apollo (I may be salty)

[tender oracle]

selene ares

[winged cloak]

worst era to die 💔

this gen is so cook

[pale pier]

no

They only have plushies of Cerberus, Dusa, Skelly and now Frinos

[dusty bane]

Ah rip 😔

[celest lily]

true, they are ruthless

[storm glen]

poseidon hel

[broken creek]

Zeus on anything

[thin laurel]

hel poseidon, non-trick-knives pan poseidon, charon apollo

selene ares, anubis has like 3 first gods you want (for non-speedruns, speeds are different)
hera moros, zeus medea, and zeus mel staff are also notable but less essential, just like... ideal

[gaunt flower]

If I'm going for Improbable odds prophecy and die in the 2nd one, can I undo night before the death animation completes and try again for the 2nd one? Or does my counter of random chaos runs go to zero either way?

[icy halo]

Gods DAMN it, //post-ending ||Gramps was there in Erebus and I didn't even have the opportunity to gift him||??????

[crude dragon]

Even Trick Pan still makes good use of Poseidon

[gaunt flower]

I got White Antler'd 😭

[icy halo]

Being bullied 😩 😭

[thin laurel]

true! it's just less obvious a choice ig, other things work well enough
wheras base pan it's just... far and away the best option imo
(altho I do like scorch pan quite a bit, personally, esp with controlled burn fourth degree)

[icy halo]

Literally what even is the prompt for this

[craggy totem]

More runs, prob

[devout cairn]

up up down down left right left right special attack

[dull whale]

So I just bought every familiar Nightmare skin
Maxed and unlocked every weapon already too

Is Darkness just a cosmetic item sink now?

[craggy totem]

Like, if this is immediately after the ending, can you not imagine there being a bit of....

[dull whale]

Sorry not darkness
Nightmare I mean*

[craggy totem]

Yes, if you've maxed all weapon aspects, then there are only random cosmetic/optional things left to spend Nightmare on

[dull whale]

I don't really care about the cosmetics other than the familiar skins which I just got so
I'll just finish testaments for fun and see what I'll do

But neat good to know that's checked off. Thanks!

[simple sierra]

do you think supergiant has data on bewitching eyes being so popular or just a pulse on it

[ionic moat]

I just started playing Hades II, any suggestions???

[simple sierra]

try everything like shakira!

everything is so well balanced

[ionic moat]

HAHA ALRR

TYVM!!

[thin laurel]

biggest piece of advice for new players: "ABC, always be casting"
unlike hades 1, your cast is a GREAT tool from the very start, even with no boon on it. keeps you safe 👍 use it a lot to stop enemies from moving, notably versus the banshee type enemies you run into right near the start
and have fun!

[tender oracle]

the children yearn for the 80's rock ballads

[rotund hearth]

Just played the new true ending and wow. I loved how much story I got first from resetting the game and now in this route. I still don't think it's done perfectly but I love the new additions.

[rotund hearth]

I think they knew all Scylla songs would be popular

[thin laurel]

bewitching eyes is also probably the easiest one to learn to play lol
personally I love its role in the story + for scylla as a character, but it's my least favorite of the four 🤷

[rotund hearth]

THE GLOWING MOON AND SHINING SUN ARE TWO SIDES OF A SINGLE GOLDEN COIN

[rotund hearth]

Yeah cause it's the only one that's not an outright metal banger

[thin laurel]

it's also at a slow tempo, has fairly ordinary chords as far as I can tell, and isn't in a weird time signature
which granted, most of them are just 4/4, but claw in particular is like... idk, if someone is just learning guitar they maybe don't want to deal with something being in 11

[rotund hearth]

Yeah. Bewitching eyes is pretty poppy and will be simpler

[thin laurel]

also speaking of fun time signatures, I love that time belongs to us has them too

idr what specifically it is? I wanna say it goes from 12/8 to 5/8 or something but idr, would need to listen again

[tender oracle]

time belongs to us using the greece motif in its verses is fun

[thin laurel]

yesssss... same as the dio pool party music too!
mashing up the greece motif and moonlight guide us

[craggy totem]

It remixes Moonlight Guide Us? omfg I wonder how Artemis feels about this

[thin laurel]

it uses the same lyrics too when it does!

[craggy totem]

The pool party song has LYRICS?

[thin laurel]

oh

[craggy totem]

Can you tell I never linger there lmao I'm sorry party bro..........

[thin laurel]

no lmao sorry, the pool music and time belongs to us both have the greece motif
and time belongs to us also has moonlight guide us

the pool party music does not have lyrics, it just has sax lol

but time belongs to us mashing up an unseen + silver sisters melody with the greece motif is sooo neat.
||the shadow and the light are two.... sides of a single golden coin, after all||

[rotund hearth]

Hehe

Hey just noticed. Do the eyes on chaos trials mean difficulty?

[thin laurel]

yup! or, what the game thinks the difficulty is at least

some of them are imo harder or easier than the listed amount ngl

[covert badge]

they do a little squeezy noise its so cute

[rotund hearth]

Well then. This trial of Doom is...

[craggy totem]

Ohhh okay haha

[thin laurel]

no esca see if you stay in the pool party room for 555 minutes with 55 fear active dionysus starts scatting, actually

[rotund hearth]

Oh it's definitely accurate

[balmy iris]

finally ran into artemis to get the blades phrase

blood triad time

[worn barn]

I suppose it's rather subjective, I've struggled on some of the easier ones and felt like some harder ones were kinda pushovers!

[thin laurel]

welcome to peak dopamine generation, enjoy

[rotund hearth]

Fair enough

Eh, I'll skip over this trial of Doom because I hate the axe so much
Even on than aspect

[balmy iris]

trial of the boyfriend you mean

[rotund hearth]

There's no trial of Icarus?

[thin laurel]

no trial of icarus </3

also if Than axe isn't max upgraded you can come back and do it once it is, tbh, makes it more fun

[balmy iris]

well the medea aspect trial uses icarus keepsake

[rotund hearth]

Oh yeahh

Btw how do I bring Icarus to the crossroads? Do I go out on a run with his keepsake or?

[thin laurel]

idr how to make him start showing up there, I think it's just talking to him + gifting him enough times
after that it's at random, like eris

[balmy iris]

and if I remember, the kit for that trial comes with one of his "inventions" that turns your cast into a minefield

[rotund hearth]

Woah

[balmy iris]

because explosions?

[rotund hearth]

Loll you can't believe it but I just realized he's at the crossroads lol. Didn't notice till I did renovations at the fountain

[candid nimbus]

I tried a run with a fresh file, I arrived to ||Scylla||. Nice

First run me from the past only did it past the first mini-boss lol

[broken creek]

You should try to go all the way its super fun

[strong nymph]

The physical version releases today, sucks that there's none here in the Philippines 🙁

Hopefully that changes though. My birthday is in a few weeks, and it would be nice if the game stores here have it. It would be a nice birthday gift to myself if that happens

[neon hull]

just started a new run (circe aspect, cloud bangle). after two re-rolls, i got epic storm ring which i upgraded to heroic using the keepsake 😁

[craggy totem]

I on the other hand am salty because I thought I was standing in the safe circle but apparently I was not 🤔 wish I was recording so I could see what happened

[neon hull]

rip

[red fox]

It hit your toe

[neon hull]

tfw you stub your toe on the danger zone of chronos's attack

[rotund tree]

great chaos below just arrived at tartarus with 23 hp + no more dd and i get blessed with gorgon amulet

[neon hull]

damn

[south lava]

Hey

[neon hull]

hi

[rotund tree]

took 2 rerolls but got all my dd back

[meager elk]

gm chat

[neon hull]

well that's good

[neon hull]

it's 11pm for me but hi

[rotund tree]

great chaos below on my second try maybe?

[neon hull]

maybe

[ember fern]

noticed that the || slow time when omega cast || got removed from arcana, where is it now?

[craggy totem]

Removed? Are you thinking of Eternity? It's top right ish.

[astral birch]

Not the infamous ||"nobody" joke with blind cyclop||, i laughed too hard after seeing Melinoe ask him about that 😭

I bet he did not even bat an eye after hearing this question though

[buoyant matrix]

not removed, just moved
it's the in the top row, 4th card from the left

[neon hull]

omg fighting strife with vow of frenzy up is a pain in the ass

and this isn't even rivals strife

[thin laurel]

good morning!! I say, late

[buoyant matrix]

hey it's morning where i am!

[rotund tree]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[fringe badger]

yello

I'm new here
I also suck at this game... a lot

ah I believe I'm prob in the wrong channel

[rotund tree]

#h2-for-new-players is there in case you didn't see
you can still talk here but just beware of spoilers

[fringe badger]

np

I'm not too worried about spoilers. just love the game and the feel of the combat over most of the rest of it. though the art is amazing and that soundtrack just slaps

[astral birch]

LMAO if you fight with ||erise|| while having enchant that makes you bigger, she talks about ||you and nemesis having a child|| 😭
||https://i.imgur.com/D8Wndhj.png||

oh nvm, i can't post spoilered screenshot like that

[fringe badger]

theres some way to spoiler an image... I dont remember how XD

[rotund tree]

link still works
it's just image perms issue

[astral birch]

||erise trying to be normal - impossible challenge||

Shame on her ||i do think that nemesis and Mel could make cute couple (if we exclude how many times nemesis was rude towards mel||

[rotund tree]

but being normal is soooooo boring babe

[fringe badger]

agreed

normalicy is a lie. be weird. be cool.

[thin laurel]

wait huh. does autofire mess with chaos curses...?

[astral birch]

||even her weapon is some kind of gun with flamethrower as secondary fire and she's just zooming around map||

Hahahaha ||erise goes brrrr||

[rotund tree]

didn't play the first game award(?)

[rotund tree]

from supay?

[thin laurel]

I'm on nyx rn, and flayed revival isn't damaging me when I hold down special

[crude dragon]

TBF, Rivals Eris is debatably easier

[neon hull]

true. at least rivals doesn't buff her own damage constantly

nobody:
eris (non-rivals): "oh you took a massive chunk of my hp? cool!" 100% damage buff

[astral birch]

"and another one, another one, ANOTHER ONE" - ||Eris, probably||

[neon hull]

fr fr

[cold lintel]

Wrath of the Heavens goes super hard.

[neon hull]

||oh boy, i got the infernal contract and now i have to fight zagreus ||

he kicked my ass

[gleaming zinc]

How’s the booklet? You think it was worth it?

[empty tartan]

Just for the fact that I have a physical copy it is worth it
The booklet is cute and having a code to download the soundtracks is nice

[icy halo]

Thank GODS it FINALLY HAPPENED

The real punishment for choosing against Apollo in a Family Dispute is having to look at those horrible head-hurting flash effects 😭

[thin laurel]

the punishment is a temporal warp to early access prominence flare 😔

[feral lintel]

worst one is probably aphro

aimbot heart

[craggy totem]

Whaat? Aphro's is so slow

Only time I don't pick against her is if the other god is Poseidon ngl

[worn barn]

aphro, demeter, poseidon are safely dodgeable spawns in my experience

[red fox]

Aphro just some people straight up can't see where is it (so small)

[worn barn]

mmh fair it is easy to lose track of

the ones that get me are hera, heph, ares, etc where the time between visual indicator appearing and damage starting is so low

[feral lintel]

hestia is the easiest

[thin laurel]

hestia is fairly easy, but gets annoying with vow of scars if enemies spawn with the shadow field and hide the pools of fire on the ground

[feral lintel]

I haven't played with fear in months idk why. I am scared to use it again after so long

[craggy totem]

Would you say you're fearful about it

[thin laurel]

extending my condolences to Hestia Hadestwo for not appearing in the first game 😔
sorry great auntie, you would have loved the "Heat" system

[feral lintel]

I've never thought about this but it's even crazier now that they didn't include her

[red fox]

Auntie hestia isn't busybody enough included in her nephew quarrel with her brother

[dusky mountain]

i failed 2 speedruns back to back cse i died at chronos P2

would have been sub 10 both aswell, with different weapons

[thin laurel]

ughhh... rough 🙃
white antler? or something else last region

[dusky mountain]

no I dont dare WA yet used exp hammer on medea and Blackened fleece on charon for last keepsake

so far my fastest clear is still supay with 9:34, im more comfortable on that aspect but i didnt use medea much yet

[thin laurel]

honestly white antler can sometimes end up safer than not 👀
since it lets you pretty reliably phase chronos before he has much time to attack you, and lovers barriers + any other form of defense can go really far

my best time currently is with charon, also! it's nice for speeds

[dusky mountain]

yeah i need to adjust my arcana, i didnt have lovers on

[dusky mountain]

i got such nice hammers on charon, rest of the boons were meh tho sadly (i got giga cleaver and the one where oyuc hannel Ospecial 25% faster)

i settled for Zeus on special, and also had storm ring, both not optimal ig

[thin laurel]

oooh yeah those are like. ideal hammers. fate's whim, or apollo start?

[dusky mountain]

did apollo start, for lucd gain

[thin laurel]

ohhh yeah zeus is kinda iffy on charon, esp his cast

[dusky mountain]

i did get a heroic tidal ring sacrifice in fields tho, and also had geysor

[thin laurel]

a tip! apollo special can actually be the better start 👀 since it gives you so much AoE you can clear rooms crazy fast, then just prioritize a gain ASAP after that

[dusky mountain]

i completely forgot about the bug and skipped the boon that makes your cast grow

[dusky mountain]

how do you best proc origintation tho? cse apollo special doesnt do any curse

[thin laurel]

kinda depends? arctic gale + poseidon/apollo cast works
some rush boons work too

[hasty wren]

Honestly I kinda hope for more Hades (or equivalent) in the future, with other mythologies and pantheons. I totally understand, and expect, SG not working on it immediately though lol.

[sleek oar]

I used to lovee going glamour gain just for easy origination

[slim pike]

It fights against the huntress though

so it works nicer on olympian damage builds than just brawling, but they're good too...

just being able to blitz/scorch enemies and know you're getting origination in most cases for free is very nice

[near ridge]

What countries will the phys copy be available? Idk if this is the right channel to ask

[hearty timber]

It's on Amazon so technically it's global

[icy halo]

I was about to say "I extremely doubt it" - but hell, a few years ago I would have said "I extremely doubt they'd ever do a sequel", so who knows?

[hasty wren]

Plenty of options and ideas to build up overtime, I don't expect it any time soon mind

[icy halo]

Honestly, I hope SG's next game is in a totally different genre

Let them do something new and cool and wildly unexpected

[near ridge]

😭 i shudder to think how much the shipping will be for my country

Ive just checked and they dont ship to my country gg

[junior hollow]

does improbable outcome mean I have to beat both chaos above and chaos below in a row?

[slim pike]

No

Means beating the same one twice in a row

[junior hollow]

ohhhh

[thin laurel]

oh were you just asking abt this
what plasma said

[junior hollow]

ok so not undoing nights if i get a weapon i dont like

[slim pike]

yep

[junior hollow]

gotcha thanks

[slim pike]

That's the idea of the challenge, anyone can reroll a lot and get an easy run, but can you just deal with what you're given?

[junior hollow]

im tempted to do the 20 surface but i might just do normal surface

[hearty timber]

I swear I did great chaos above followed by below and it still gave me the achievement

[rough horizon]

Yeah, I got it by doing Great Chaos Below followed by regular Chaos Above

[slim pike]

did they fix that?

hopefully, because it confused everyone when they get asked to do two trials in a row and see two options for a trial

[rough horizon]

I got it on October 20, and it was the first time I run those trials, so it's been working that way for at least a month

[plush hawk]

is fear hecate lunar beam supposed to not have any indications

[thin laurel]

indications of what?

there's no way (afaik) of telling which hex she's going to use until she uses it
altho also, the far left of the arena is 100% out of the range of both lunar ray and the big dark side pulse, so you can run over there and hang out until it's clear what she's up to

[buoyant matrix]

you will always be in a safe position when she starts using lunar ray so stand still and see what she's doing

[plush hawk]

but then in normal form 1 of the 3 is telegraphed with a red line? its so wack

[buoyant matrix]

it's never telegraphed

[slim pike]

nah there is an inidicator just before firing

where the beams are visible but not damaging

[junior hollow]

Hades 2 physical release is out I’m lowkey tempted to get it

[verbal hinge]

i've been planting everything i find, now i see decorations want seeds...

[slim pike]

time to walk the dog

[plush hawk]

im basically done with the game how do you talk to || bouldy?||

[midnight moss]

Is it possible to get ||Athena||'s ||Restore Death Defiance || Boon without having used one?

X?

[thin laurel]

as in "no"

there would be nothing for it to restore if all your DDs are full 🤷
you need an empty DD slot (from a DD you had but lost) to get offered any sort of DD refill (i.e. shops, athena, echo, narcissus)
she can offer stalwart stand regardless tho

[midnight moss]

Great. Just need it for her Prophecy. I guess I just gotta play and hope I don't play too well or too badly against Rift boss, so thanky! That boss, so tanky! So many invuln phases!

[dusky mountain]

im seeing Thanatos has a great speedrunning time, anyway to check the build? Is it an Attack or Oattack build?

[stuck horizon]

anyone know if hestia's scorch effect boons (highly flammable, hot pot, pyro technique etc) affect godsent total eclipse?

[stuck horizon]

depends on build and hammers but it can be either or both

[covert badge]

yes

[stuck horizon]

apollo legendary with psychic whirlwind and seething marauder can be a disgusting omega attack build for thanatos aspect

[stuck horizon]

cool, thanks

[pallid cradle]

Yep

I've gotten the combo a few times and every single time it feels like the most free win ever.

[stuck horizon]

the beyblade build

[slim pike]

Scorch is scorch

the function that processes how scorch behaves when dealing damage doesn't care how that scorch got there

likewise Hitch, Daze, Freeze and Weak similarly do not care

[stuck horizon]

good to know, so logically it applies to thermal dynamics scorch too?

[slim pike]

yep,

[stuck horizon]

coolio

[slim pike]

it's just "Enemy has X stacks of scorch" for all relevant calculations after that point

unlike say, Blitz, that remembers the base power value of the boon that inflicted that blitz for when it detonates

All other curses have modifiers too but they too don't actually care how that curse got there, because all modifiers they have are global, rather than based on the move that inflicted that status

Oh and since you were talking about total eclipse: It weirdly applies 1200 scorch each tick even though the cap is normally 999

and it ticks rapidly too, so Pyro Technique REALLY speeds things up

[lunar oriole]

how do i unlock all aspects?

i got the ending but i still only have 2 aspects for most weapons…

[slim pike]

just them more, upgrade them a bit, talk to more people

if you're referring to unlocking the fourth aspect, you need to spend 5 nightmare on that weapon then talk to the person in the second aspect

[verbal hinge]

goddamn moros is so good. better than eos. maybe better than supay

[hallow vault]

Listened to Hades 2 soundtrack and then my ears were blessed by in the blood

[real scarab]

all torches are better than supay lol

[verbal hinge]

hey
supay is p smexy

[real scarab]

sure

[feral lintel]

I like every torch aspect

[real scarab]

me too but supay is definitely my least favorite among them

[neon isle]

supay is satisfying in the way skulls are

if you like super delayed gratification

[verbal hinge]

but that doesn't make it bad
and it isn't

it was my least favourite too but i got a nice build and converted

[limpid oar]

I'd maybe like Supay more if its start wasn't so weak

I already time out in Erebus enough as is

[verbal hinge]

exactly
i was going to say "by the time i got to tartarus i was a convert"

because that's really what it is

[neon isle]

yea my thing is that any aspect feels awesome with a good build so i dont really get what makes supay special

[verbal hinge]

it's absolute bollocks in erebus

[neon isle]

i should try a chaos trial perhaps

[limpid oar]

It is a unique playstyle, I'll give it that

[verbal hinge]

it is stronger than others

and a different playstyle yeah

[limpid oar]

Maybe if I wasn't playing at fear levels where I have to use onion I'd like it more

[hearty timber]

What fear mandates the use of onion

[limpid oar]

62... Well you can do void 3 but it's not like that's any better

[hearty timber]

True

[verbal hinge]

when do i get to salute the thing that changes the seed?

[real scarab]

after the epilogue

[verbal hinge]

||i got golden age|| does that count?

[real scarab]

nearly there, just talk to the npcs

[verbal hinge]

can you push high heat with all weapons/aspects?

[limpid oar]

Did you mean the general you or me specifically

[verbal hinge]

i mean.. nothing stops anyone from doing so

so you in particular

although i guess other people too

is that something people can do?

or do they just stick to one aspect?

[stiff pagoda]

Hey so I found something neat/interesting but it seems I can't upload videos here, where would be a good place to share it?

[verbal hinge]

youtube and post link

[stiff pagoda]

Okay, let me upload it then

https://youtu.be/Zdjs3RH8K-c?si=MuruHQAYCA-y6qMK

[verbal hinge]

howd you do that

[stiff pagoda]

I got the Rapid Thrasher upgrade + Racing Thoughts and it just happened, for that chamber at least, after I left I couldn't do it anymore

[sonic spear]

What is the minimum fear needed to always unlock the fear locked materials?

[verbal hinge]

it tells you

[sonic spear]

Mist have mossed it...where?

[native bramble]

does winter harvest also apply to chronos?

[slim pike]

yes!

but only on his final phase

[native bramble]

oh thats pretty cool

[slim pike]

it even has a special effect and voice line for executing bosses

[native bramble]

oh thats really cool, and very unsurprising being its a supergiant game

[slim pike]

literally what it did in the first game

the only legendary boon to basically be inherited and it's almost untouched

Also Demeter's voice actor really didn't hold back on those lines too...

[real scarab]

what about shocking loss? does it work on bosses

[slim pike]

"SHIVER AND ROT!"

[slim pike]

No, but it does work on most minibosses

a 25% chance to just delete a boss would be dumb

[native bramble]

i dont think ive ever actually had demeter legendary in either game

[real scarab]

would be legendary indeed

[slim pike]

it's already kinda nutty, especially with Success Rate

(Also just funny)

turning 25% into 40% will never not be insanely good

[native bramble]

also managed to beat chronos for the second time just now yay

flames of ygnium are quite nice to use

[real aurora]

im coming around more to the flames, but im still a staff/axe-maxer til i die (for the 93453th time)

[jolly hound]

Flames go hard. Blitz special go brr

[rare hawk]

Hi I'm a huge fan of Hades I. I played it on a friend's Switch and got the platinum trophy on PS5. I'd love to get the physical version of Hades II on PS5 and get the platinum trophy again. I know about the timed exclusivity with Nintendo right now. Is there any information on how long this lasts, roughly?

[jolly hound]

It was nine months for h1 but I don’t think it’s been announced yet

[tranquil wren]

one of my fav voice lines in the entire game

[native bramble]

axe is fun but damn its so hard to use, least for me anyway

[grave gorge]

flames were my first clear, but I'm a daggers girl now

[native bramble]

daggers are really fun, prolly my current favorite weapon for fun value

[green jasper]

Moros torches, my beloved

[verbal hinge]

WHY DO THE BOSSES SHIELD SO MUCH ITS SUCH GARBAGE

[devout cairn]

what boss

[verbal hinge]

rival eris
idk if it shields more than normal eris
but either way, eris

[devout cairn]

oh yeah she does

[verbal hinge]

she would die a million times before she hit me once if she didn't keep going invulnerable my god

[devout cairn]

it's annoying that we cant nuke bosses

[verbal hinge]

so so annoying

i kill ||zag|| and then right there is eris and gg

[cobalt radish]

omg i regret clicking that spoiler 😭

[verbal hinge]

that's what you GET

[tranquil wren]

killing ||zag|| is great for the keepsake and the max bond but then I would not recommend taking him in any run

[verbal hinge]

i was hoping he'd give pom
is selene 🤦

[cobalt radish]

that was such an unexpected spoiler boss. wow this game keep surprising me

[tranquil wren]

purge it

[grave gorge]

||Zag|| more difficult than ||chronos|| tbh

[verbal hinge]

yes there's so much more content than h1 i love it

[cobalt radish]

AHHHHHH SO TEMPTING TO CLICK THOSE SPOILER BARS 😭 imma finish the game fast

[verbal hinge]

if you get him in a sweet spot like thessaly where your build is going good he folds p fast

[verbal hinge]

is practically impossible not to

[cobalt radish]

yea!!! there's also the "challenge" yourself thing. im already struggling with this 2 slots. imagine people actually MAX everything there

[grave gorge]

Definitely! But the problem is you usually want him way before your build is online lolol

[verbal hinge]

like pratchett said, the world will end because of a big red button with numerous DO NOT PUSH BUTTON OR WORLD WILL END signs around it and someone will say it can't be THAT bad and push the button

[verbal hinge]

yeah that's why thessaly kind of a sweet spot it's still earlyish

[cobalt radish]

ok this is trending to spoiler talk, i think i better leave this chat for awhile 😅

[verbal hinge]

it's madness
i find that much HARDER than h1, because of how the combat here is so different

[native bramble]

i thought it was something about that being painted above the button and someone pressing it before the paint was dry

[verbal hinge]

more than likely i read it aeons ago

and that might be another source entirely

[native bramble]

very possible, cause i dont entirely remember either

[verbal hinge]

yeah and it's not like he had a UNIQUE take with the big red button trope

just the best take on it 🙂

he was the best at everything

[native bramble]

yeah you right

but on the topic of daggers though, i love the hammer that makes the dash attack fire 3 of hte special

[tranquil wren]

trick knives is pretty good, yea

[grave gorge]

Trick Knives my beloved

[hardy stone]

Are Chaos boons exempt from Vow of Scars?

[foggy sable]

do i have to max out Mel's aspect to unlock a secret one?

oh great, another rng based person i gotta find

[devout cairn]

anything but mel's aspect

[hardy stone]

I’m on a Great Chaos Below run, and I’ve got Scars all the way up. And now one of the Chaos boons shows +10 HP when I exit a location. Super tempting, but worthless if Scars kills it.

[foggy sable]

oh I thought it was Mel's plus any one other then Mel's lol

[verbal hinge]

it's basically instawin
that, and mirrored thrasher

[foggy sable]

it doesnt matter too much considering ive maxed out all of Mel's aspects admittedly

[hardy stone]

Never mind. I looked it up, and maxed Scars will nerf a Chaos boon all the way down. Damn shame.

[plush hawk]

got all statues and minor prophecies so ig thats all from me hope the game wins goty im still mad hades 1 didnt win best VA

[verbal hinge]

i was having a wonderful time with mel axe chronos was down to 20% he did his final instakill, i dashed into the circle, decided i'd throw an o.special while i was waiting, did omega attack instead, took 560 damage and died instantly \o/

[foggy sable]

the temptation to do a run with maxed hordes and menace

[plush hawk]

this literally happend to me like an hours ago

[verbal hinge]

don't forget fangs precious

[foggy sable]

oh yeah right

any other vows that exclusively affect normal encounters?

[hardy stone]

I did that (and others) for my 32 Fear run. It was fun.

[verbal hinge]

the worst part is i saw what i was doing just as the magick maxed
as i was letting go of attack i was like NOOOOOooooOooooooOooooOo

but it was too late

[foggy sable]

I feel like wards barely affects any bosses right?

[buoyant matrix]

Chaos's revival bypasses scars

[foggy sable]

ig I could do the same for return in that case

[flint owl]

Does anyone know where I can find an up to date list of the Chaos trials and their details? The wiki's list seems to be out of date. I'm trying to get the Wicked Thrasher hammer on the staff to pop so I can finally finish off that last prophecy. Hoping there is a chaos trial that has it as a starting hammer.

[buoyant matrix]

old info lol, they changed it in one the early access updates

[verbal hinge]

return is the absolute worst

[buoyant matrix]

there is none but you can do the very first trial in the game with experimental hammer equipped, it starts with mel staff in erebus

[foggy sable]

it wasn't the worst thing ever when I did it

[hardy stone]

I picked it, and Scars nerfed it down.

[flint owl]

Good idea, thanks!

[buoyant matrix]

what version of the game are you playing lol

[real scarab]

that wasn't my experience the last time I played

[hardy stone]

Updated. v1.0.132876 on Switch 1.

[buoyant matrix]

revival completely bypasses scars, you've got something wrong

[hardy stone]

Oh wait. I haven’t completed it yet. DERP.

[foggy sable]

do those little rooms in the city count as encounters for the purpose of leveling up keepsakes?

[craggy totem]

They count as rooms but I don't think they count as encounters (based on my experimentation with Chaos curse durations, iirc)

[native bramble]

i would imagine they dont, going off of chaos curse logic

[foggy sable]

im still 100% doing them, I was just curious

[hardy stone]

Yep, it worked. My mistake.

[native bramble]

do keep in mind though, i know very little about this game so take any "advice" i give with a large grain of salt

[verbal hinge]

idk chasing those fkrs around the screen is super annoying

[foggy sable]

what happens if you get enfeeblement of cowards and the Hermes boon, do projectiles just stop moving?

[meager walrus]

Its multiplicative, so no

[dusky mountain]

new speedrunning PB, getting there! from 9:34 to 8:44

still using supay tho lol

[foggy sable]

so uhhh I hate the rift

[hardy stone]

Life Tax bypasses Scars too. I got all 150 HP back in one room.

[deft mountain]

Do we know if the Switch cart has Patch 1?

[meager walrus]

I dont believe so

Console patches for hades 1 were delayed for a few weeks and bundled together, I would assume they would be similar for hades 2

[buoyant orbit]

beat Rhyphon on my second try

maybe I lucked out with 60% crit chance towards the end, but it feels kinda fun

Still feel like Scylla is the worst rivals fight by far, followed by Hec

[hardy stone]

Not Prometheus?

[buoyant orbit]

I find Prom rivals easier to groove into than solo Prom, oddly enough

Hitch changes a lot, and I believe Prom alternates to be less aggressive in his patterns

its beginning to be a rather comfy fight at least until I start to ramp up the vows

[jolly hound]

I feel bad I pick against Poseidon every time in trials but his is by far the easiest idk

[foggy sable]

is it at all worthwhile to buy a hammer from the shop?

[craggy totem]

Not unless you don't care for any of your current hammers.

[buoyant orbit]

it helps that Poseidon canonically gives less of a damn in regards to the trials

[foggy sable]

no an actual hammer

[craggy totem]

Oh! Then, yeah, whyever not?

[foggy sable]

spending money on smth thats most likely going to happen anyway

[unreal temple]

Tbh I think Hestia is easier but yeah Poseidon is pretty free

[craggy totem]

You'll have it sooner that way 🤷 And you aren't guaranteed to get both of the natural hammers in a run.

[foggy sable]

fair

what application does wounds have?

[jolly hound]

fair point, she’s in second place

[hearty timber]

Blood

[buoyant orbit]

Aphro pretty much ties with Poseidon

[foggy sable]

"im doing alright despite only having 6 health"
random fountain room

[buoyant orbit]

speaking of which does anyone know if Eos cloud can trigger Ares' Blood Spree

[buoyant matrix]

it should

[foggy sable]

sounds like a scam

[merry whale]

<@&456908176877551658>

[foggy sable]

I wanna do a run centered around tough gain now, taking 1 damage from an attack you know does more then that is so funny

also makes me wonder how it works alongside defense increases

[craggy totem]

You can't reduce to zero. Some fun things to try with Tough Gain would be stuff like Brave Face + Incandescent Aura, or other damage reductions.

[foggy sable]

I was hoping I could get the level double thing from echo but she didn't even offer it

fireball seems to be pretty good to use with the black coat

[craggy totem]

Controlled Burn? Yeah, it's great. Especially on Selene if you're wanting to charge up Sky Fall

[foggy sable]

are there any other noteworthy aspects that make good use of it?

[craggy totem]

Apparently it moves at the same speed as the orb from the staff omega special, so it's easy to "coordinate" the extra damage on the same target when you use it on staff

[foggy sable]

can you get a double crit from ares and whatever else?

[craggy totem]

Not sure what you mean by that

[foggy sable]

mutual destruction doesnt say that it adds crit chance

so id imagine its a separate thing, and id imagine you can stack that with regular crits

[craggy totem]

Ahhh. I don't know, sorry

[merry whale]

200% stacks with crit so u can get x6 hits

they r separate chances that can trigger together

[foggy sable]

bonk

[buoyant orbit]

Sister blades does fireballs really well too, they share a lot of build paths with Coat in general

[verbal hinge]

apollo on anubis feels unfair to the bad guys

[foggy sable]

it feels so weird using the sister blades after using the secret aspect (I once again forgot the name of) so long

[buoyant orbit]

Morrigan

[foggy sable]

Apollo has to be my favorite god

[fickle drum]

Anyone else having some VScync issues on Switch?

[verbal hinge]

yeah it's like they had to give him the worst curse cause he's so strong

[foggy sable]

remind me what vsync is again?

I play on switch too and I havent encountered any issues myself

[buoyant orbit]

I've yet to unlock Morg myself, but I still quite enjoy base sister blade playstyles

[verbal hinge]

yo what unlocks whispered prayer?
first time im seeing it

[fickle drum]

Vertical sync. Basically if it doesn't work correctly it causes weird horizontal lines when the screen moves.

It happens when part of the screen is behind when rendering.

[foggy sable]

Definitely sounds annoying

[verbal hinge]

why my dark side hit like a mosquito but hecates hits like a mack truck

does anyone know how the boon thingy works?

like if i have a duo god room, does the offered boon from the one i DIDNT choose change depending on which i pick first? or are they both programmed to offer me the same 3 boons regardless?

[broken glen]

It’s unlocked through dialogue (since it’s the special boon) and you have to have a hex for prerequisite

[broken glen]

As for dispute rooms, the logic is pretty simple. You’re presented with two gods- whichever god’s boon you don’t pick will try to kill you, but you’ll get theirs after if you live. As for their boon selection, it’s random as usual, however you CANNOT get duo boons from family disputes.

[verbal hinge]

i just want to know if i can choose by how annoying the god is

or if the first god picked offers "better" boons

[broken glen]

It doesn’t offer better boons

Just pick based off favoritism

[verbal hinge]

nice!
aphro and poseidon are by far the easiest to deal with

[tidal cliff]

I pick based on which one will be most annoying to fight

[broken glen]

Making Poseidon mad is really funny

[verbal hinge]

exactly. that's what i want to do, which is why im asking about how that would affect reward

[tidal cliff]

they’re usually common without any rarity changing stuff, no duos, yes legendaries

applies to both regardless of who you choose first

[verbal hinge]

is rivals scylla going for goth?
because she looks like she joined icp

[hollow acorn]

screamo

[verbal hinge]

ah never heard of it

[hollow acorn]

actually idk the fine disticntions and definitions for all those genres so idk

[verbal hinge]

i googled it it's a sub genre of emo

[hollow acorn]

i just know the ||bonus artist just makes deep "GRAHHHHHH"||

[verbal hinge]

idk which is worse screamo or juggalo

[maiden berry]

||Charybdis doing the bridge for their new song kills me every time||

[hollow acorn]

its fire

[maiden berry]

I literally happened to be listening and was gonna come to talk about it and it was already the topic

[verbal hinge]

aw she got us

can't even 16 heat up in this mother sigh

[verbal hinge]

i don't think i got that far lol

[maiden berry]

The songs title is really funny too cause the original story is the origin of the modern phrase

||”Between Scylla and Charybdis”||

Or I guess I should say the Odyssey not the original story

[hollow acorn]

[maiden berry]

Charybdis ❤️

[maiden berry]

The rock of course being Scylla’s island and the “Hard Place” being the whirlpool

[verbal hinge]

when you first meet him and he sucks in this huge breath and you think he's going be like RAAAAAAAAAAAAR and then he just goes: bloop

[real scarab]

does anybody use any rush exc. blinding, nexus, frigid or breaker

[verbal hinge]

is that really the origin of the phrase?

[real scarab]

the rest are all underwhelming

[maiden berry]

Yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Scylla_and_Charybdis

[verbal hinge]

thanks i love etymology

[maiden berry]

Or well it coined the proverbial “choosing between two evils”

[verbal hinge]

yeah i think devil and the deep blue sea is just colloquial synonym

[maiden berry]

But “Between Scylla and Charybdis” is the original

[verbal hinge]

i have never heard that

[maiden berry]

The odyssey is pretty old

[verbal hinge]

i read it as a teenager but that was decades ago

i am also pretty old ):

[maiden berry]

I’ve read the Iliad for Uni but not the odyssey yet I’m aware of the broad strokes though

That reminds me of how much I love ||Poly|| in the game he’s so great

[hollow acorn]

wasnt the scylla and charibdys thing in percy jackson

[maiden berry]

New Yorka cyclops

[verbal hinge]

yeah reading odyssey was just for fun

then i took "greek and roman myth and mythology" in uni
read ovid and the illiad there
but remember bugger all about that too

[maiden berry]

Probably but I haven’t read it, again it’s a classic story

[hollow acorn]

or did they get moved to be far from each other i think they did

[verbal hinge]

i was really hoping we'd get a jason in h2 but nope

[maiden berry]

I’d kill for a Herakles prequel

[crude dragon]

It's also still the phrasing used in some other languages

I think it's still used in Greek and the Romance languages, for instance?

[median plinth]

that's so interesting, I would use "between a rock and a hard place" as more "i'm in a tough situation with no way out" rather than referring to choosing the lesser of two evils

If you have to go into debt to fix your car for example

though I can see how that is kind of similar to "choosing the lesser of two evils", but in my mind that's more like voting for someone while holding your nose

[broken glen]

If you fix your car, you’ll be in debt. If you don’t, it might be harder to get to work and make money. Damned if you do or you don’t

There’s no way out

[median plinth]

yes, same thing, but not quite the same feel as "lesser of two evils"

[foggy sable]

does zeus's legendary count as its own damage type for the win screen?

[hollow acorn]

You can get out through the hard place it would suck that’s the idiom

youre stuck at the rock: it sucks
the hard place: also sucks but youre not at the rock

[foggy sable]

cause if so that has to be the rarest damage type to get on the leaderboard thing lol

[hollow acorn]

it would probably count for whatever the first stirke was right ive only gotten it once

[hollow lily]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133217404126756956/1441147765345484812/best-debut-indie-game-dispatch.webp?ex=6920bcf2&is=691f6b72&hm=0b66db0403c3dfdf268e0181a5f844aa563aceeb64972400f8c5188bd823ee76&

[verbal hinge]

i watch haelian play morrigan and it's just so smooth how does he do it

you were right, sorry

apparently the o.attack charges faster after a dash strike, as opposed to a normal attack

so if you dash strike straight into the o attack, you don't get hit while it's charging

[meager walrus]

That's slightly incorrect

O attack charges faster if you cancel your attack with a dash

Also dash attack is faster than regular attack

But you cannot dash twice in a row unfortunately

[craggy totem]

Does Seismic Servo interact in any way with Stutter Step or with the inherent dash cooldown? My gut says no, but my heart says "pretty please"

[meager walrus]

So the ideal combo is

start a sprint -> dash attack out of the sprint -> cancel dash attack endlag with a dash -> o-attack -> special -> dash backwards -> o-attack -> attack

The special hits twice so this procs 2 triads as fast as possible

[meager walrus]

No

[dusky mountain]

how do I have 213 nights and only 2 medea clears

[brave urchin]

Hades 2 not game of the year?

[broken glen]

I’ll be happy if any of the indie games win

[brave urchin]

Hades 2 seems to not even made it to top 4.

[broken glen]

How can you tell?

[plain cipher]

I just got The Scene with nemesis
do- do they really just-

in the middle of wherever the scene ocurrs??

[silk field]

Seems like poor judgment, yeah

[craggy totem]

I mean, would you dare interrupt the Goddess of Nightmare, Princess of the Underworld, and her heavily armed paramour, Retribution Incarnate, if they were in the middle of something?

[crude dragon]

Sorry, E33 got the GTA gamer recognition

[crude dragon]

Yep, sure do

[plain cipher]

let's just say there sure would be whispers 'round the crossroads

[brave urchin]

Oh well. In the end its just a useless reward.

[thin laurel]

the game awards should give SGG a live sized replica of one of the Night’s Champion statues

[brave urchin]

[devout cairn]

it is useless unless hades 2 wins speaking of that i should throw my vote away and vote for it

[verbal hinge]

i wanted to play poseidon cast on charon so i equipped his thingy and i rerolled the seed 4 times and didn't get cast

does that mean undoing night will also not get cast, even if i reroll 4 times again?

[verbal hinge]

yes

[crude dragon]

Yeah, since it's still the same seed

[verbal hinge]

i was hoping rerolls would not be subject to that

[crude dragon]

I'd also recommend starting Apollo keepsake for the Special or regen over Poseidon

[verbal hinge]

oh ok
i just figured froth would be cool to explode

[crude dragon]

You still want Poseidon in the build, FWIW

[verbal hinge]

lol apollo used all 4 rerolls to give me cast that can't possibly be worth it

[verbal hinge]

geyser?

lmao chaos just called me amusing

what like im a clown??

[crude dragon]

Geyser, plus the cast is also good since it's Origination and damage on drop

[verbal hinge]

oh i misread i thought you were telling me to get apollo cast lol

ok cool special makes a lot more sense

[crisp gust]

Howdy, is there a place on the internet to see all recipes in the game ?
||Broker is telling me some resources are still "useful" but I have no idea why, I can't see any uses for them and have basically unlocked everything.||

[craggy totem]

Noplace that is completely up to date, unfortunately. But, have you also unlocked every single cosmetic and every single song, and finished every single relationship-progression?

[smoky ingot]

Oh, and every familiar outfit?

[tranquil wren]

yep

[jolly hound]

game of the year: remember this award is bought it’s not real

[broken creek]

Then Mario wonder would've won last year

But it didnt, I dont think theres ever been a goty I was directly upset with

[crude dragon]

Which resources are marked?

[storm glen]

i dont think nintendo cares lmao

[crude dragon]

Why would Nintendo buy awards? That's money that could be going to litigating people

[storm glen]

kill all the save file editors

[storm glen]

100 trillion dollars to not making f-zeri

[crude dragon]

Another 100 trillion to not making Mother 3

[storm glen]

not releasing mother 3

[jolly hound]

this guy gets it

also Nintendo made $11b in revenue, Sony was at 90b (fy2024)

they’ll get outbid every time. also Mario wonder gave me a headache

[crisp gust]

Well, I can't know for sure, given I don't know if I have not unlocked something

The ressources that apparently I still need are ashes, psyche, lily, shaderoot, myrtle

[icy halo]

Are any of those part of repeatable recipes? I forget

[crisp gust]

ash and psyche for shadow. Idr for the others, it's very possible

Do you need to 100% everything that uses the repeatable recipes (like all shadow things) to have the broker be ok with recycling the components ? Or are they just never considered "useless" or something ?

fwiw I don't see anything I can get that uses any of the repeatable reagents. And I can't have a lot left given how late I am in the game.

[craggy totem]

Yes

[craggy totem]

Well, I guess I should have said more, have you bought all the available ones (which is more checkable)

[crisp gust]

nah, I'm missing quite a lot of kudos... Which is part of why I want to check if I can recycle everything

So far I
bought out all music
bought out all decorations except the ||chibs|| (only have half of them)
all aspects max rank
all arcana maxed
missing most ||familiar forms||
and that's all that I can remember right off the top of my head

[astral birch]

I wish there was collab song between ||Artemis and apollo||

[thin laurel]

yeah a song like that would definitely go very hard

[astral birch]

I just notice that after you reach ||olympus or whatever is the name of place where gods live|| There's quote for coming close to statue ||of every god but dionysus||

Mel reacts to everyone but him

Or no? I thought that he would be the only one but a few other statues also don't trigger anything

[craggy totem]

It's more of an interaction cooldown or something, I think. At any rate, not that certain ones are completely and totally missing a dialogue.

[outer plover]

lily & myrtle are probably there for ambrosia

[craggy totem]

And Ambrosia is required for some of the familiar skins.

[crisp gust]

ooooh right

[outer plover]

interestingly, if you only need it for relationships, and you have enough to max everyone but just haven't gifted it yet, it'll drop the "might still need this" tag from lily & myrtle

[crisp gust]

gotcha, time to brew some ambrosia then

[slow marsh]

I just realized that the reason Zeus has some of the most consistent damage in the games is because it's twofold: he does the most damage with frickin lightning bolts and he does the most damage to his own family.

cue zeus smiling image

https://media.tenor.com/7M2wwlnhxHcAAAAe/hercules-disney-hercules.png

[odd nacelle]

got my physical copy :DDD

[slow marsh]

yay

now buy it again digitally and then never open the physical copy then sell it for a mint later when bad times come upon us

you support supergiant games more and make a profit later

[odd nacelle]

1 step ahead i have it digitally >:)

[slow marsh]

:) good

[astral birch]

I love ||dionysus|| in this game, everyone ||on surface is trying to survive, but he's just having a party while wearing underwear only ||

Dude is just living best time of his life

[icy halo]

I mean, I think dude is just drinking away his stress and running away from his problems, if anything 😅

[astral birch]

There's no evil and no problems if you can't see them

[icy halo]

I don't think "Dionysus is partying" is really a way you can measure how good a time he is having

That's like "Dionysus is breathing" 😄

He's definitely alive! That much can be said!

[real aurora]

Nah hes just gigachad-maxing on olympus, he can easily scrap up to the summit but chooses to chill out

[foggy sable]

I won a run focused on mel skull special

idk if thats difficult or not, it was just kind of fun having extra movement

[thin laurel]

skull movement is so funnnn
lately when I finish a skull run and go back to the crossroads I try to do the "dash + special" combo without thinking since I get so used to it

[indigo mortar]

are there no mods that let you use arachnes dresses permanently? since there isnt something like that in the game

[craggy totem]

Yeah, it's called taking Hephaestus' keepsake :P

[indigo mortar]

i have tried that actually and no it didnt work

i always break in some boss fight

[craggy totem]

Turn on God mode?

[indigo mortar]

i dont want god mode i just want mel in a red dress 😭

[craggy totem]

It's meant to be a challenge :P

[indigo mortar]

cosmetic i mean

not the effect necessarily

[thin laurel]

I think they just mean- yeah, aesthetically, not the actual bonus
there's prob a mod for that but not that many ppl here use mods, I think there's a mod server...? but I don't have a link to it

[craggy totem]

Ah, gotcha. It seems like it should be easier to mod if it's graphical only 🤔 Good luck looking for it 🫡

[indigo mortar]

i have looked for mods but i havent found any, just some weird sprite changes for some characters....

[tired lotus]

on my last achievement (not counting the get all achievements one) anyone want to guess which one I still need

[craggy totem]

It's either GCB or one of Arachne's ain't it 😆

[indigo mortar]

also my dresses usually break cause i always have vow of rivals on so i take some hits lol

[slow marsh]

dionysus' chad grapes

I regret nothing

[tired lotus]

it's voice and vanity 🫡 i got gcb and improbable outcomes one right after the other

I actually enjoyed gcb. I got the -100% healing and pulled it together with some luck and a lot of death defiance

[foggy sable]

how does cut above work with moros?

[stable marsh]

Does cast count as a "move" for Dio's grape juice?

[jolly hound]

really really well lol

[foggy sable]

yeah im doing a lot of damage

[craggy totem]

Damn, that sounds like one tough nut!

[foggy sable]

does prometheus time his flames to the beat on purpose

[astral birch]

I love when sea star activates during choosing quick buck.
Double stonks

[tired lotus]

life tax actually saved the run fr

[foggy sable]

hearing the weird school bells during the summit theme is oddly haunting

[devout cairn]

i like the part in the summit soundtrack where it goes oooooooh and then aaaaaaaah

[foggy sable]

new surface pb of 16:36

[balmy iris]

i can't believe doing menace 2 killed me not even halfway through olympus

[craggy totem]

Menace on the Surface is a real menace!

[balmy iris]

yeah i got typhon spawn showing up where a tiny robot should be

[foggy sable]

why does Shiva cost nightmare :|

is it worth it, ive been wanting to upgrade my other aspects for awhile

[balmy iris]

why does augumentation of bone density cost nightmare

makes no sense

[storm glen]

yes

[half isle]

Has supergiant expressed any interest in publishing the soundtrack for hades 2? The music is honestly so captivating I’d love to have it on vinyl

[craggy totem]

Every non-Melinoe aspect costs Nightmare, if you hadn't noticed :P

As to whether it's worth or not, I think it's playable without the levels, if you just want to get a taste of the playstyle

[foggy sable]

well the initial unlock for the secret coat costs nightmare, not just the upgrades

[astral birch]

I feel betrayed by fact that At some point of story ||dora starts spending more time with Moros than with Mel|| 😭

[nova oar]

Yes Shiva is the best

[long silo]

I just beat 34F grandpa with white antler for the first time ever 😭😭😭

[fickle drum]

So I played for a few hours today. Sadly I only managed to reach the bottom one time. I'm as bad at these kinds of games as ever.

And I didn't win that one time either.

It's like maybe I just accidentally picked some broken combos or something idk.

[nova oar]

You will get stronger and better

[long silo]

You'll get there!!!

[fickle drum]

And then stopped picking those.