👶beginner-help

[quick birch]

best example i can give is vita, her normal form is meele while her enhanced ult form is ranged but her mech punch is still melee

[dry star]

ahh gotcha ty

[quick birch]

tbf hoyo is not that accurate sometimes things look like a ranged attack but they're still considered melee

[dry star]

[quick birch]

there are some ways to test if said attacks are considered meele/ranged but most of the time it does not matter that much if you generally have an idea if the valk is melee/ranged/none of the above for meele weathers for example

[dry star]

also not sure if this is known, is FDD qualified under "if the valk has fast attacks" for ER signet buffs?

[wintry juniper]

HFS blackhole anim is melee

that was probably the start where many ppl look into what is melee and what is ranged

ironically because of ER

[quick birch]

nope she needs the actual " fast attack " tag for that

[wintry juniper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/430057371641970708/944998740375269427/646228424003944454-1.gif

[dry star]

oh! its a tag

oh I see, PS has it

[quick birch]

yeah

[wintry juniper]

to think we lived a time period that those tags didn't exist

idk how we played the game years ago

[dry star]

paws isnt fast attack

[wintry juniper]

I told you, game is weirdge

[quick birch]

hoyo is very inconsistent with some things

[wintry juniper]

Helia is, PAWS isn't

downgrade

[dry star]

ngl, PAWS not being mecha type suit already threw me off

[wintry juniper]

they needed to release a bio elemental

that's why

[dry star]

FDD being mecha when she has a biological looking suit with wings and horns 😭

[wintry juniper]

tho I find it funny that Helia and Coralie S ranks are type countered by their A rank versions

HoYo sending a message or smth

[rugged compass]

Nu uh no need
Also why bio lightning why not bio ice smh

[wintry juniper]

cuz we got 2 ice already

[rugged compass]

Lightning had
Sena helia¹ teri and vita

[wintry juniper]

if anything it should've been bio fire, but I think they just want to give the valk the same dmg type as their A rank

[rugged compass]

Ohh

Well i own helia so im not upset

[boreal rampart]

Houseplant?! I thought I wouldn't see them here

[quick birch]

they're here from time to time

[boreal rampart]

In the other Honkai game discord sometimes people would ping them if I posted anything related to Aventurine (especially if said post has me simping hard) so that's how I know them

Also aside from FDD are there any other part 2 valks to pull for aside from upcoming ones? Cause Sena is my only 4/4 valk since I basically quit after getting her and Helia's stigs (base Helia is 3/4, missing weapon)

[quick birch]

not really, we currently don't have any valks that would be recommended to backpull

[boreal rampart]

Wait correction, Sena is my only part 2 4/4 valk

I have other part 1 valks that are 4/4, hotr, horb, mmg are ones

But I heard part 1 valks are irrelevant so

[boreal rampart]

Ohh alr thanks

[boreal rampart]

Adult Griseo too, TA as well, uhh I think there's more but I can't be bothered to log in to check

[quick birch]

not every p1 valk is completely irrelevant some still hold bosses, it's just that higher ranks + 4/4 are pretty much the norm with them now and that they won't perform that good outside of their bosses, though in regards to pulling recommendations p1 valks are pretty much irrelevant by now

[ancient needle]

Some P1 valks transformed into P2 ones too

HoFi, HoHE, ||HoRb||

Which means that their P1 gear is cooked

[patent siren]

hey i just rejoined (last time played was right after senadina banner, im a bit confused on pull priority, could i get some help? i have no funds so i assume save? next banner is ||elysia|| i heard? can i pull her without team members?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, if you're broke you should just save

Spoiler tag the ||Ely|| part btw

Also, it's best if you show your current acc (valks + weaps + stigs), it might be better to make a new acc if you're willing to

The returnee event is garboleum

[ancient needle]

Whether you pull in 8.5 depends on how much you manage to save up

You wanna have at least 30k for the next valk + weap ||(+~10k if you alr have HoRb to get her new gear set)||

[patent siren]

i cant take an imge but i have senadina, horb, prometheus, ofc coralie and helia. and all but horb are full gear, thats all the newer ones i think?

[ancient needle]

How far are you into Part 1 story?

I assume pretty far

[patent siren]

ok just checked, i really only have senadina full team, horb and prom are my other account. also im at chapter ix

[ancient needle]

Then you can keep the acc imo

[patent siren]

tysm also my friend just began the game, up to chapter 2 im pretty sure, is it normal to not have seen starter manual by now and if not why dont they have it?

[ancient needle]

No, it's not normal
It's because it lasts 90 days, and the countdown starts as soon as you enter the game for the first time

[ancient needle]

Normally you get it right after the tutorial

The only solutions are to make a new acc or to change the server

[patent siren]

gotcha he made another acc. thank you very much

[silver patio]

I cant beat this bish with the cha4acters i have

[lone crater]

well

what do you have

[silver patio]

Unfortunately i LOCKED VBS TO SAMPO ACCIDENTALLY cuz i forgot that theres a lock feature and these are the only ones i hve || maybe i can buy from asterite shop but ehhgggshsh ||

[lone crater]

ig lvl up miss pink elf and then put on w/e and just smack him to death

[silver patio]

Whats w/e

[lone crater]

whatever

atp is just pick whoever base rank maybe relatively better and then just keep trying to smack him to death, given that you havent breakthru yet, sholuldnt be too hard

[frozen crypt]

I'm late af but where is your TA? You should unlock her with asterite, not necessarily because she's needed here but because in general she is useful when you're lacking full teams like this

She would pair well with your mpe tho

[odd plume]

remember that you dont need to kill everything in MA, for beginner, the goal is mostly just top 17% for starter mission, can do that by killing the first boss which have +20% score, 1 S and 1 A bosses
so you usually use your strongest valk which is FDD for the first boss, use 2nd best team for one S boss, can be either HoH JK SSb or TA RC SI, the other team for the last boss
can mix them up a little bit if you overkilling this boss but lacking on the other

[silver patio]

Didnt know i needed her

[frozen crypt]

She's recommended to get as per the asterite investment list

[silver patio]

Oh

[slim blaze]

Mhmm

[shy radish]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[quick birch]

Check schedule in #💁gameplay-help pins

[shy radish]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sweet flax]

[topaz coral]

heyo, need some help on deciding who to focus on, current only pardo, coralie and aponia is somewhat built

[thick bolt]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[thick bolt]

should be a good enough guideline

[solid island]

Which donate gives the best money-to-crystals ratio?

[ancient needle]

Monthly

You can check "Cost-Effective Whaling" in the pins for more details

[solid island]

thanks!

[proud maple]

Hello everyone

I wish to start this game

Is this a good time?

[thick bolt]

Yeah, there is no set "bad" time apart from starting later cause of how gachas work.

And since the update next month is a CN anniversary patch starting now gives you enough time to save up for the new units as well as any event rewards

[proud maple]

Which unit should I pull now?

To finish the red lotus

And elysian realm

Guide me please

[thick bolt]

If you're just starting out then you'll want to stick to the free and farmable units available instead of committing to pulling.
The exception being if you have can somehow get ~30k+ of the gacha currency through story before Oct 3 (not realistic unless invest a lot of time rushing story)

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[thick bolt]

A list of useful teams possible with beginner units and gear that can help you with most content till you eventually pull the gacha next patch

[proud maple]

When is next patch?

October 3rd?

[thick bolt]

23rd of Oct

[proud maple]

Bruh that's a whole month

[thick bolt]

It takes about a month for an account to reach the point where they start needing gacha units so the buffer period works fine

[proud maple]

Don't we have the meta dps banner of this patch?

[thick bolt]

It ends on 3rd Oct, hence the story spam condition for 30k+ crystals to pull Dragon Coralie since the weapon is a requirement with this game (being pvpve and all)

[proud maple]

Will do no worries

[jolly pulsar]

Hi Starfall, how’s it going?

[wide patio]

My friend needs help

[sweet flax]

. . .

the game mentions how

@wide patio

[winged veldt]

are these items asterite discount worth to buy?

[tribal maple]

Only the ones for money are worth buying

Last one or two usually

Everything else is a scam

[ancient needle]

Not necessarily a scam if we're talking mats, but they're worth buying only if you'd actually buy them for the regular price too (i. e. you're extremely broke on them)

[jolly pulsar]

Teammate, what should I do for abyss this cycle

Woah that’s big

[ancient needle]

Sparkle instead of FDD should be better

[jolly pulsar]

That’s what the lineup says. Should I just use DS over Chenxue?

https://tenor.com/view/chenxue-honkai-honkai-impact-astralop-chenxue-honkai-gif-12836232126404638131

[ancient needle]

Lemme check

What rank?

S?

[jolly pulsar]

Yep

SS too expensive

[ancient needle]

Looks like CX has better buffs

Even for LoA

Actually, wait

For Phys specifically it's hard to tell imo

I'd try out both but I don't have CX xdd

[jolly pulsar]

Oh

[rugged compass]

Chenxue has better buffs for...LoA?

[ancient needle]

AOs have generic buffs too

[rugged compass]

Teriop has generic buffs?

[ancient needle]

Yes

[rugged compass]

Isnt it RoO and LoA only?

Or am i just stupid

[ancient needle]

There are generic ones and there are RoO/LoA ones

[rugged compass]

Oh what is it then? I cant remember

For some reason

Its 25% ldm for RoO and 20+ crit rate for LoA

[rugged compass]

Oh the ult- not passive

Well

Not ult but yk

[jolly pulsar]

Also, what’s the best general team for JDS

Cause I’m doing the side stages and she does like no damage

[ancient needle]

Well, JDS DPS is not a thing nowadays

You just run her in a LoA team as a supp

[jolly pulsar]

Dang, so my main doesn’t have RS

[jolly pulsar]

Ah, so like as an example?

[ancient needle]

Badum FDD JDS

Or RS leader

[jolly pulsar]

Yeah that makes sense

[ancient needle]

But if you want JDS leader the comp is JDS Sena/Vita Thele

Sena vs SD, Vita vs non-SD

[austere umbra]

what can i use for this abyss?

[ancient needle]

Considering it's Phys weather you don't have many choices xdd

Badum FDD JDS

[ancient needle]

I don't think you wanna be spending a lot of time on Badum outside of SO rots, so just CA on regular ones

And focus more on JDS

[austere umbra]

my jds doesnt have wep lol

[ancient needle]

😭

[jolly pulsar]

Never mind, those are my questions s

[ancient needle]

Well, then it's probably FDD DPS (FDD Vita VBm)

Badum DPS should be worse in that case even if you focus on Badum

[austere umbra]

who is vbm lol

fdd / paws / vita owuldnt work here? better than other options at least

[ancient needle]

I have no clue how I forgot that PAWS can support FDD

Prof btw

Yeah, that's a lot better

VBm is A-rank Coralie

[jolly pulsar]

Barely got there, as long as no one does runs in the last ten mins

Wait no that’s not my team

Ran fdd instead of HoFin

[ancient needle]

Yeah, was gonna ask

[jolly pulsar]

I could definitely squeeze at least an extra ten points

But I absolutely hate this abyss cycle so imma pray instead

[ancient needle]

But what about the nice score

[ancient needle]

You could've run JDS DPS tbh, Badum leader is for SD cycles

[jolly pulsar]

Yeah

So like JDS what?

[ancient needle]

.

Vita in this case

I don't think Sena will contribute enough on the mobs to be better

ig she could

[jolly pulsar]

Nope, didn’t work

[ancient needle]

In what way

[jolly pulsar]

Was getting lime close to 600 and then I quit

[jolly pulsar]

[shell basin]

Meanwhile retain score in my bracket was 740

Alas

[shy kiln]

so uhhh how am i supposed to use SO in a team with Paws fdd and vbm? It feels kind of awful to me

[shell basin]

Paws, click ult 3 times, combo and end ult

Paws really wants a third Symbiosis teammate but that’s your best cope solution and at least you get to SO twice most abysses

Because ending stellar outburst early refunds part of the ARI

Depending on boss and run details you could also try going out to FDD first to do her WA Ult and then back to paws for 4 ults but with PS I mostly found this wasn’t worth it and definitely not for the first SO

[shy kiln]

wow thats super unfulfilling

[shell basin]

If you have SS chenxue you can do two cycles but that’s not worth it just for that

[shy kiln]

Sometimes i feel like coming back in the paws patch was a curse because i have to wait a couple patches to get to use her full potential

[shell basin]

How do you think I feel joining back in PS patch… but yeah it’s super painful

Paws really is a “have 2 other symbiosis or suffer” battlesuit

[shy kiln]

thats a shame, fdd dps is kinda my only option and its so boring

[shell basin]

Well FDD brute force would be your better option anyway because you have a full team for her

Unless paws has an advantage that abyss

But yes

Good news is you probably only have 4 more weeks of this in abyss, bad news is it’ll be happening in MA for a while whenever paws DPS is useful

[spiral badge]

this statement applies to most new valks nowadays. The only farmable astral ring valks atm are for world star, or the RoO wildcard.

FDD being a bit more friendly is more of a recent exception.

[shell basin]

PS dps feels much less bad with one HS support than paws with one symbiosis imo

[spiral badge]

i can only speak so much since i have no actual experience about this but on paper this doesn't really make much sense to me

because PS is already getting partial impair from her 3pc

HoS also provides a crit damage buff that PS isn't making use of because she is bleed based

[shell basin]

I was using VBM third not HoS

[spiral badge]

ok i misunderstood HS

[shell basin]

Heavenly Shift

[spiral badge]

yeah i realized now

in the case of LoA i'm inclined to agree but overall it's still a hefty drop in performance

[shell basin]

Yeah for sure, having a proper team is really good

[drifting zealot]

how xtals did you get for 1 month f2p

[serene crystal]

see pins https://honkaihub.com/calculator

[drifting zealot]

oh thank you

[proud maple]

Is rerolling recommended here?

[shell basin]

If you have the patience it is very good (and would mean we reccomend you pull this patch instead of waiting 4 weeks) but it’s not needed

[serene crystal]

You can but you need to be certain that you have enough time to also get weapon

[proud maple]

Hi3 account cannot be deleted right?

[quick birch]

Not without deleting your whole hoyoverse account, though I don't see any point in doing so you can just salt your current email and create a new account

[proud maple]

I will keep doing it so that I get Coralie on the 1st 10 pulls

Then 60 pulls only for the weapon and stigmatas

[quick birch]

Salting your email ? Yeah that's a pretty good method

[shell basin]

She’s the one to reroll for rn yep. And then once you get her you try and farm crystals quickly to get her weapon. Don’t worry about the stigma, they’re also craftable

[proud maple]

Ik..is this game f2p Friendly?

Do a single patch offer enough currency to get a whole set for the next patch ?

[shell basin]

Depends on what your goal is. Retaining nirv as an F2P? Difficult, will take a long time. Retaining RL? 2-3 patches. Can you pull every character… if you’re moderately lucky but you might need to skip one occasionally

[proud maple]

Weapons and character included

[quick birch]

Without any one time crystal sources no

[shell basin]

In expectation you get almost enough crystals every patch to pull a new character and weapon but only barely so if you get unlucky and go out to pity it can drain your reserves fast

[quick birch]

But you're also not expected to pull every single patch as an f2p

[proud maple]

Id I'm a monthly crystal buyer then?

Also if I get lucky I will spend in the beginner stuff

[quick birch]

The characters currently on the beginner banner are not really a good investment

If that's what you mean

[proud maple]

Not beginner banner

The beginner benefit one

[slim blaze]

What a familiar name

[shell basin]

If you want to pull every new release and get high abyss quickly you will probably have to pay a little. If you dont plan to get everyone (or are lucky) you can do just fine as F2P.

[quick birch]

Level rush ? Yeah that's a pretty good deal though I'd encourage you to maybe explore the game a bit before spending money

[shell basin]

And yeah beginners get tons of free crystals so they can pull new releases back to back several times in a row

[spiral badge]

you might want to search faq rates and also look at the crystals link in the pins to get a more concrete idea rather than taking our word for it

[shell basin]

More if they reroll

So you can play for a few patches and get a sense for what you would be gettting for your money

[spiral badge]

as for spending money, the pins have a whaling guide on what are the highest priority things to buy too

[shell basin]

And then only whale then if you still want to

[spiral badge]

yeah if you're very new i also heavily recommend seeing how the game is first

[proud maple]

It is the only game where I can spend money..aether gazer and PGR isn't available in my region

[shell basin]

For my own part I ended up deciding to whale a little bit because I wanted HoHE in the level rush but ||she’s also free next patch now||

[spiral badge]

just because you can doesn't mean you should though. What if you wind up not finding worth and satisfaction from the money you put into it?

[shell basin]

Which is another reason why it’s sometimes better to wait a bit but I don’t regret it

[spiral badge]

getting every patch valk and weapon isn't everything either. They also do release new weapons for older valkyries. They also release astral ops that do matter for people pursuing the higher meta of the game (although for most intents and purposes we do not recommend it. Can search !faq gachaop)

[limber nexus]

Guys where do i send my returnee code

[proud maple]

Free?

How?

[spiral badge]

if you're sure you want to get far into the comeptitive meta of this game and mitigate missing new valk+weapons (monthly doesn't guarantee this but it helps), and you don't want to miss out on crystals you can be getting now then sure, consider level rush and monthlies first

[shell basin]

There’s ||a box next patch where you can pick either HoHe or Hotr||

[proud maple]

I will

[proud maple]

Hotr for me then

[shell basin]

(Next patch is in 4 weeks)

[limber nexus]

Anyone?

[proud maple]

Though building Hotr is useless

[spiral badge]

one last thing then. Casually you really don't need anything to enjoy the events and the stories of the game. Barebone valks will work and the game will give you trial valks.

[proud maple]

Me

[limber nexus]

206474061GW

[quick birch]

#invite-links-here

[limber nexus]

Eu

[limber nexus]

Ohhh thank you

[proud maple]

I only want the crystals from ER

And RL

Nothing else

[spiral badge]

you don't need gacha stuff for ER crystals

[proud maple]

ER is easy?

[spiral badge]

and if you just want to do enouogh for RL, then i would say you can achieve that realistically with f2p

[shell basin]

VBM is free and can clear ER no problem

So can a bunch of other battlesuits

[proud maple]

Hmm I see..so who's the meta valk next patch?

[shell basin]

But she’s the one we reccomend to newbies

[proud maple]

VBM?

[spiral badge]

#👶beginner-help message this is a bit dated but should still largely be good enough

Valkyrie BlastMetal. In the future please refer to glossary in the pins for abbreviations

!faq glossary

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[shell basin]

Next patch is releasing ||HLE|| but ||she really wants two symbiosis supports so it’s tough if you only have her||

FDD (this patch valk) is going to be a BiS support for new battlesuits for a while and is comparatively much easier to make beginner teams for

So if you reroll for her ||HLE will be much less bricked||

[spiral badge]

This sort of question makes me feel you don't really understand how the meta is in the game. A single valk won't really carry and handle everything. Any dps needs supports to function greatly.

Late game will expand to many different scenarios that will emphasize all sorts of different teams. You don't need to cover them all but you do want to cover most of them.

Most of these situations are suited for the newest release of the patch. Not all valks are equal but we can't forsee too far into the future and loosely speaking, naturally the newer valks will last longer

If you're f2p you already cannot afford every latest release. Therefore you also cannot really afford to pull older releases. The recommendation for meta is to save up crystals until you can have some plan to guarantee the valk and weapon together, and to skip releases that you cannot fully afford them.

While some supports can be better than others, the game has been rebalanced that most of them still perform close and good enough. The differences aren't too meaningful at an RL level. It's in nirvana (highest) where these finer differences will matter

[proud maple]

What's the deal with nirvanna?

What do we get from there?

[spiral badge]

Slightly more crystals but not really worth the effort for most people. The crystal post > my spreadsheet > one of the cells should link to a chart of the different amount of incomes you can get

[proud maple]

Will do for me..

[spiral badge]

you also get a temporary emblem but this isn't important either

[proud maple]

No need nirvanna...If I want more crystals I will just spend

[proud maple]

What is the total space of this game?

40 gb?

[spiral badge]

I think #🔌technical-help has a pin for this

or you can ask there

it depends on what platform you're playing on

[shell basin]

Being in Nirvana gets you about 1 extra pull a patch. A bit more if you are ranked in Nirvana

[proud maple]

Only 1?

[spiral badge]

ranked is a weird way to put it since you're always ranked

[shell basin]

It’s almost no benefit unless you’re in myriad, but some people are competitive

[proud maple]

Bruh

[spiral badge]

but if you're ranked highly you get a bit more (top 100 and top 50 of the server)

being the highest tier of the game, it's where the whales mainly are. Most people playing the game deeply will be discussing strategies of that level.

You can definitely reach it as f2p too to get an idea of how it's like later. Moreso if you spend

[shell basin]

Yeah. You don’t need to be a whale to hit myriad but it’ll take a while and you’ll have to know what you’re doing

[spiral badge]

but we can consider that later when you become more familiar with the game. it's too early to be talking about these details

[spiral badge]

the game can also take up extra space due to story content or past event content or also languages that you can choose to remove later when you don't need them

[spiral badge]

also the overall idea is to keep up with latest releases while the older meta falls off, and that's how a newer player (esp f2p) can "catch up".

[frozen crypt]

!faq pullop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

If you are a f2p meta player, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[proud maple]

Why the chapters of this game so long? Is it on purpose?

[odd plume]

i think you are thinking too deep?

obviously they need that much time to tell the story they want

[spiral badge]

It's just how it is. We don't control the game designs of the game. We cannot help with that.

Also just as a preemptive warning while we're on this topic

any questions or discussions about the actual story is not allowed here (as per pins)

[dawn gulch]

Because this game is old and also game discussion should be in #📚honkai-lore or #💁gameplay-help

[ancient needle]

The question was about the length of the chapters, not the amount of them

[dawn gulch]

I mean yeah but still.. a lot of older games make their chapters longer then newer games do

[spiral badge]

Maybe that's a trend you observed but it's not really an absolute rule

[forest marlin]

which blessing should i choose in elysian realm

[abstract sequoia]

depends on which valkyrie

to what exactly are you referring? there's a bunch of things that can buff your run

If you're not familiar with what there is yet, Signets are the buffs that you can get from different flamechasers throughout your run. Other than that there are 2 valk supports that do different things when you summon them. There's also passive and active Remembrance Sigils you can choose at the start of the run together with your supports. And then there's selectable buffs that can be picked at the same screen as Stage effects

[forest marlin]

alr

[abstract sequoia]

For now, this is all the different things you can get to make your runs stronger. Some more and some less obvious. We do have an elysian realm guide in the pins with builds, but it should be noted that weather buffs change and therefore some signets become better than others were before.

The builds themselves aren't a law is what i'm trying to say, more a guide

Feel free to ask away about anything unclear, I play a lot of ER.

[jolly pulsar]

it's so hard to force myself to do 1k coins each week
I need like 42k coins to get everything from the shop

[abstract sequoia]

I personally do different valks every time

also since i play on finality, 3 runs on different days of the week, whenever i feel like it

pot (potterhsu) also motivates me sometimes with silly challenges

but i understand if that isn't for everyone. I just noticed that i usually cap out my 1k before completing the challenge due to failed attempts that still give part of the reward

i mean maybe try to find a valk that you like playing more than others in ER

doesnt have to be the fastest

[ancient needle]

Whenever I need that 1k I just spam killing Huodou

Should be a lot faster

At least feels that way

[abstract sequoia]

never timed it so idk

my undergeared runs with bad luck (or skill issue on overusing blood rose) usually end on tank

[analog temple]

Lantern is my go to valk in ER

[grim jackal]

Anyone knows how many crystals we can get from the whole story mode? (i'm a new player)

[odd plume]

check crystal source in the pin

[grim jackal]

Thank you ❤️

[shell basin]

Its possible it might be slower for resources if you’re really fast but if you’re not absurdly fast hudou is gonna be better for sure

It’s definitely faster for upgrade materials for new battlesuits

[sweet flax]

do you remember how many of it you get after ending the run at huodou

[abstract sequoia]

you can check that ingame actually

[sweet flax]

[abstract sequoia]

abstinence and corruption is only 5 less

for floor 8

[jolly pulsar]

Anyone know of an easy way for beginners to tell if a banner has a Valkyrie that came out this patch?

Googling seems like one way

[abstract sequoia]

Yes, when the banner is on the valkyrie A slot and animated

Stellar keys and Astralops only really need research to know if they're new

and in advance, you can tell by looking into #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

or for the current patch in #💁gameplay-help pins

Really, any infos you need for current and next banners are on this server

[jolly pulsar]

Huh, I didn’t know that

Also I think newest astralop will have a trial that you can get 20 gems for

And newest valk will have gems you can get for completing their trial

[abstract sequoia]

new releases do have trials yea

[abstract sequoia]

they also give currency for time capsule shops

and while they're out, you have a huge roadmap for obtaining and upgrading the valk, weapon and astralop in your Events

all stacked with tiny rewards to make the farming process faster

which doesn't replace the need to prepare your upgrade mats in advance

especially when you're playing abyss a lot, you want to have your valks ready before the next relevant cycle is over. launch banner usually comes on thursday (also patch day), while the valk relevant abyss opens friday until sunday

[abstract sequoia]

and to explain what time capsule shop is, it usually offers old gear and stigma for asterite and these "homu's legend proof" coins

Most of them won't be relevant for actual performance and are more for collection purposes. There are exceptions to this however.

[jolly pulsar]

[jolly pulsar]

Yeah yeah I know
I forgot what the most useful ones were, there was like a jade gloves or something

[abstract sequoia]

none of the weapons, at least nowadays

i sadly lack experience to tell you which are still useful, it would be best to ask when such a shop comes back

just keep some Asterite bunkered should you have a goal of collecting things from there

[proud maple]

How many patches will it take for me to reach endgame and finish the contents

[sweet flax]

depends on your pace, you are expected to breakthrough around a month from after account creation (half a patch) in which you start endgame content, but you arent expected to be competitve until you establish your account a bit more, say 2-3 patches max (assuming you are able to secure the debut valk + their weapons during those patches

[proud maple]

Oh..I just want the meta valk of this patch and the next one..gotta build a team around them

This game isn't f2p Friendly right?

[odd plume]

kinda but not really, there is ranking system, ofc you need money and skill to reach highest tier
but a f2p can reach top 1% or higher

the different in income is very small for the cost you put in

[sweet flax]

^ the goal is rl anyways, not top of leaderboard

[proud maple]

Yes

[odd plume]

a f2p can enter nirvana, probably can even retain nirvana in EU

[sweet flax]

brackets are the main factor in eu

[odd plume]

need good skill and lot of hair

[slim blaze]

Rl players in myriad memes

[spiral badge]

myriad players demoting memes

[jolly pulsar]

wait

???

this is just pull x amount of times, not use x amount of cards, right? (ignore the outdated screenshot)

[sweet flax]

Yes crystals count

Not just cards

[jolly pulsar]

im assuming pulling on dorm doesnt count

[sweet flax]

no because those arent used on battlesuit/equipment banners

[jolly pulsar]

yeah

makes sense

[robust forge]

am I missing something..? ive been trying to complete expeditions but its not working i did the one in dorm but it looks like its not working? or maybe its bc everything's not finished yet

[spiral badge]

it should be the one in dorm. It might require waiting for them to complete?

can check back to this old post

[robust forge]

...i finished everything and i only got 1/5

LMAO???

[spiral badge]

you sent out 5 of them, got them all back and they only count for 1?

i'm not really sure how "everything" fits into this. The available amount of dorm expeditions you can sent out once you unlock them all far exceeds the daily stamina you're allowed to spend on it

https://i.imgur.com/qieec7X.png

well if that's what's happening then from this point on, maybe send and receive them one at a time

but this sounds strange to me overall because i've never heard anyone else having that sort of issue/response (and if it really is the case, it sounds pretty annoying to deal with that surely others would've complained before now).

---

if you don't see more than 5 dorm expeditions available, you need to unlock them. The manual expeditions are found in attack > start tab at top > material expedition panel at bottom > expedition on the lower left side. I believe you need to get the full 3 stars on each act to make them available in dorm

https://i.imgur.com/keOqPDt.png

[lyric anvil]

Still remember running into this issue since it doesn't specify which expeditions

[mystic glade]

Is there any use for duplicate stigmata

[thick bolt]

In context of p2 stigmata, you just salvage for source prisms since there aren't any major usecases for having dupes
For p1 stigmata it depends on the which set it is like for example you may want a dps and support affixed handel set for a specific MA boss, but these usecases are restricted to MA so depends on whether you want to go that far

[mystic glade]

What is u saying

[thick bolt]

If the dupes in question are for the new dragon girl, then you can go salvage them from the equipment tab

no other use

[mystic glade]

Ty

I need to somehow squeeze out 34 more pulls…

[thick bolt]

story spam is your friend, goodluck

no harm in using up stamina pots for it since theres nothing to use the extra stamina on lategame

[mystic glade]

I wasn’t even trying to speedrun crystals but then I got the dragon girl in the first 50% off pull so now I need to get the weapon☠️

[thick bolt]

suffering from success

[mystic glade]

It was right before I leveled up the Seele they gave u as well lol

How do u make her breath fire tho

[thick bolt]

This message works quite nicely as a tutorial on how new accounts can use Dragon girl (FDD) #💁gameplay-help message

[mystic glade]

How long would this take?

[mystic glade]

There is so much terminology in that comment that I don’t understand lol

[thick bolt]

I don't have an exact estimate of the time but if you're reading the story definitely going to take 10+ hours

[mystic glade]

Im skipping

Everything LOL

[thick bolt]

The Chronicles tab in the Voyage log you can see inside the attack menu is also quite a chunky crystal source

very fast as well, just needs stamina

[thick bolt]

You probably need level 30 to unlock the ability to do so. (The AstralOp system)
Basically there should be a purple button that charges up in combat which when you activate does the dragon breath on Coralie

[mystic glade]

I am level 31

So that’s nice

[thick bolt]

she needs to be set as the first in slot in the team as well

the purple button

[bright raptor]

how the fuck do i kill this

unsurprisingly, most channels are useless cuz this one died

[slim blaze]

Classic. No one replies asap = channel dead

[slim blaze]

You just deal enough damage until it dies.

I think the question you meant to ask is "how do i not die?"

And the answer is either learn how to dodge, or just kill it faster.

Benares is just a punching bag anyways

[bright raptor]

just killed it

💗

[frozen crypt]

Which one even is that, SF benares?

[slim blaze]

Idk the blue one

Like default i guess

Only special move is tornado i think

[restive sail]

does the pink balls in bp expire?

[thick bolt]

Permanent, so you can hoard indefinitely

[mental python]

Should i just grab the supply cards? I don't think i would be pulling anymore or is the synergy card like really worth it?

[thick bolt]

It's a minor boost all things considered, just take the supply cards or the skin if you want it

[mental python]

the skin is amazing but i don't think i'd ever pull for the character... I'll take the supply cards

[thick bolt]

[spiral badge]

oh uh

keep in mind the far far future we do expect valks to become more available/farmable

of course by then, the valk will lose alot of meta relevance (lantern kinda already has lost alot of relevance as is)

[shut frigate]

Hi does hi3 have soft pity? Im in the final 10 pull for coralies weapon banner

[quick birch]

no official one, there's a statistical soft pity on the battlesuit banner at ~76 but even statistics suggest that there is none for the weapon banner

[shut frigate]

Oh man

I don't know if I have the time to get the final 2.8k crystals

[quick birch]

generally you only want to pull a valk if you can guarantee her weapon so keep that in mind in the future

[shut frigate]

Yeahh. I'm gonna skip whoever the next valk is for the current moment, I have a pink elf in mind

[odd plume]

also the soft pity is softer than other game

[shell basin]

||Hi Love Elf is the next Valk release. Tho admittedly there will be a Paws rerun between the banners||

[jolly pulsar]

me debating if i should go for her

[glad coral]

worth going for? will be completely broke for ||seele new stigs and dkey|| though, who i plan to use durandal with

already have small durandal and 2/3 of her stigs

no weapon yet

[thick bolt]

Do you have any particular reason for going for durandal? like personal wish/wants

Further info on your p2 valk status would also be ideal

[glad coral]

not exactly, went for her because shes a phys support that would be good for horb

[thick bolt]

well you see, due to how p2 works being a "particular" element support isn't a criteria of who works with who

you refer to the attributes to see what the character supports

[glad coral]

i have dragon coralie but none of her gear and also sena

[odd plume]

[thick bolt]

imo just go for dragon cora gear

[glad coral]

yea i pulled her during release, back when she just made horb stronger

[thick bolt]

HoRb dkey and Dudu are sadly mutually exclusive, they only work together in supporting the "Grail of Infinitude" ring type

[glad coral]

damn

[thick bolt]

You'll get more out of your account development going for dragon cora weapon

[glad coral]

i see

[thick bolt]

since it'll make her more useful and she's a universal support in p2 terms

[odd plume]

feel like you may want to skip next patch too, with that much crystal

[glad coral]

dam

[shut crow]

I am here to inform you guys that after my starter bonuses I am still happy about playing this game

thank you all for the help

[odd plume]

[ancient needle]

Impossible

[dry python]

[glossy hemlock]

does anyone have a faq dorm furniture thingy

[shadow gyro]

https://discordapp.com/channels/418652140454674432/901268521181401108/1392829618376933449 this?

[glossy hemlock]

ty

[shadow gyro]

do i just buy the ncc? ngl there are outfits that i like that want pink coupon but i only have 38 rn lmao and i can only get 5*2 more with the 30 currency
im 5 pulls away from getting 70 more currency but i alr pulled fdd n her wp and used my dorm pulls

[sweet flax]

No reason to spend the 1k crystals, personally seeing as ncc is farmed daily anyways they can be ignored from spending shop rewards if you have other goals

[shadow gyro]

hmm ic
i dont have much else to get
i dont rly need the growth mats but metals are still useful, i could get the coupon but ill need an outfit box with 100 of then to even buy an outfit with the coupon
at least its good to know that getting ncc in there is high prio

[sweet flax]

Tbh the only high priority item would be the dkey box or the weapon synergy for those who will benefit from it

[shadow gyro]

mhm, i alr got it, now i wanna do smth with the extra currency

[quick birch]

You could consider outfit coupons if you have any outfits in mind that can be purchased with those, since they're not that available for f2ps I would consider them a rather rare resource

Ofc this is a purely cosmetic choice and doesn't really give you any advantage in terms of gameplay but considering what other resources you can buy none would really have a significant impact

[shadow gyro]

[harsh forge]

I was just wondering if there is any new player freindly teams for her? Or do I just play her solo for right now?

[wintry wharf]

player friendly helia A and the other coralie A

https://youtu.be/sDplkZK-WU4

[verbal kraken]

hello guys what weapons are higher in prio to synergy upgrade with the top-up event ticket ofcourse within the characters i have

Mad Pleasure
Reign Solaris
FDD
and planning to backpull for PAWS since i find her very fun and i really wanted her when i came back but couldn't get enough crystals for her when i just came back to the game

[wintry wharf]

FDD for sure

and i suggest u PAWS weapon as second choice if u are a whale

[mortal plover]

Based on the characters I have which stigmata's should I try and craft.

[upbeat egret]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[upbeat egret]

You can give it a look

[mortal plover]

ok

[jolly pulsar]

is this outdated?

actually

hold on

[frozen crypt]

is it still sena/jds?

I haven't looked at it in a while

[jolly pulsar]

idk, i think the only thing that just needs touching up on is that the average patch length is now sadly 8 weeks

although im not sure, but i think it's 8, right? or is it 9

[jolly pulsar]

maybe i'll see if there's a new player who has the banner. did they get rid of the 50/50 on starter supply?

[outer spruce]

they're 2 separate banners now

[jolly pulsar]

I see. So do they function like normal part 2 equipment and battlesuit banners?

[outer spruce]

yes

still not worth pulling though

[jolly pulsar]

Was it Seña and jds
Wonder if they’ll change it for anni

[outer spruce]

it's still sena and jds

don't know if they'll change it

[jolly pulsar]

well damn, now I'm guessing the Growth Regimen phase 1 missions is worded differently, but the wiki must be outdated then

if only I had someone who currently has the starter manual to confirm

[ancient needle]

9

8.2 was 9
8.3 was 8
8.4 is 9
8.5 will be 10
8.6 will be 9 iirc

[fierce kernel]

I started yesterday what character should I be building and please help with the team (also I’m only level 33)

[digital kiln]

What do i buy from here

[fierce kernel]

If you want to forge weapon get the honkai shard

[ancient needle]

!faq ches

[small willow]

Not Giving Advice is better than Wrong Advice!

Hi Captain! Sorry to cut you off...

Ai-chan recommends that you leave the advising to more experienced captains, but we appreciate your enthusiasm.

If you aren't sure if the advice you want to give is correct, please wait for others in the channel to answer instead. You wouldn't want to be responsible for someone making a huge mistake!

[fierce kernel]

Ah I see then could you help me with my problem-

[fierce kernel]

.

[ancient needle]

The Coralie (FDD) you've pulled is the best valk you have (make sure to get her weap from gacha), other than her check the Asterite Investment List in the pins

The team you can use with FDD is pinned too (with the rotation guide)

Other team comps you could be using for Memorial Arena are here:

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[fierce kernel]

Ate omg tysm ml

[ancient needle]

Also make sure to grab the A-rank Coralie's weap from the first chapter of Part 2 story

[fierce kernel]

I will try I’m only on chapter 8 I’ve only played around 3 hours yesterday

[shell basin]

Yeah your first build priority is FDD, your second priority is mini Coralie / Valkyrie Blastmetal, everything else is much lower priority but you might want a few niche supports for MA

Built

Don’t build other battlesuits at the cost of FDD or VBM but you can put spare mats into it

[ancient needle]

Only stamps and Reroll boxes are worth generally speaking, but only if your acc is otherwise well-built

[digital kiln]

How much is well built

[ancient needle]

Multiple proper teams

[shell basin]

And ideally make sure you have the Valkyrie the stamps are for because otherwise it’s pretty pointless

[fierce kernel]

What is VBM

[digital kiln]

I have all p2 except dudu

[ancient needle]

A-rank Coralie

[shell basin]

Valkyrie Blastmetal / a rank coralie

[digital kiln]

Weapons and stigmata included

[ancient needle]

You can refer to the glossary in the pins in the future

[fierce kernel]

How do I get those omg

[shell basin]

Part 2 story has her and her weapon. You can also get her and her rank from asterite shop

But that won’t get you the weapon

[ancient needle]

If you don't have LV you can forget about her stamps
What rank is your HoHE currently?

[digital kiln]

S

[fierce kernel]

Then should I progress through the story or should I skip to it

[digital kiln]

So im guessing i should buy HoHe stamps

[shell basin]

You do a little bit of part 2 story, just enough to get the weapon and her (and also starter manual rewards)

[fierce kernel]

Alr ty

[shell basin]

And then you can continue it if you want to or not and stay unspoiled (after ch 3 of part 2 or so it starts having part 1 spoilers which you might or might not care about)

[ancient needle]

Do you have Sera? If yes, what rank?

And are you able to afford 8.5?

[digital kiln]

Sera is S rank and i have like 11.5k crystals so idk if i will have enough next patch

i did see someone say there will be 50 free pulls is that true

[shell basin]

10

[ancient needle]

Yeah, pretty tough
I wouldn't buy any stamps for now

HoHE really wants SS+ and the BiS comp in Nirvana, and in RL what you have currently should be enough

[ancient needle]

With SS+ Sera ideally

[digital kiln]

I just want to retain RL

Im already bald enough from playing other gachas

[shell basin]

Next patch is ||Senadina stamps|| right and you might want those to cope on ||ICE SD weather|| tho actually fish dps might still be better idk

Idt stamps will ever be hugely important for it tho

[ancient needle]

You can get her stamps if you really want to for personal reasons, but imo it's not worth

[ancient needle]

||Isn't Sena's S2 for mobs? Or am I misremembering||

Lemme check

[shell basin]

||Oh wait it might be. I don’t have her kit memorized||

[ancient needle]

Yeah, it is

S1 is a pretty minor generic damage buff

[shell basin]

Yeah then idt one kind of stamps vs another matters

Retaining on ||HLE ice shill with HoHE or HLE Ice SD with fish / sena|| both sound painful and idt S2 would fix either

[rugged compass]

||Wb SS?||

[fierce kernel]

Where the hell is coop

[odd plume]

removed

[fierce kernel]

WHAT WHEN

[odd plume]

about 3 years or so

[dry python]

It's been less than 2

[fierce kernel]

;-; so after I’ve stopped playing

The way I can’t access my pc account since I don’t have a pc anymore is frustrating

[rugged compass]

7.3ish

[restive sail]

best miss pink elf team?

[ancient needle]

MPE HoRb RS

HoRb and her gear aren't feasible to obtain in the near future, RS has a rerun rn

Ofc keep in mind that it's not a good idea at all to build MPE nowadays

[ancient needle]

||HoRb will get a new gear set next patch, but it won't work in Part 1 teams||

[ancient needle]

Actually idr what MPE's leader skill does, HoRb leader might be better

[ancient needle]

If you want smth on the more copium side you can replace HoRb with HoS and/or RS with TA

[ancient canopy]

hey i've been stuck here for some time now, when i click on that side mission view it opens this screen but i dont understand at all what this is supposed to mean

[fierce kernel]

What weapon should my fdd have since I don’t have her sig

Should I use the weapon or give it to Vbm

[odd plume]

FDD can use that wp for now

[fierce kernel]

Alr ty

[fierce kernel]

Should I focus on her or FDD

[lyric anvil]

FDD

[fierce kernel]

Ou alr

[fierce kernel]

@abstract sequoia where is the sensei thing

[abstract sequoia]

Main Menu > Friends
from there you have the option to find a sensei

you can either auto-assign someone or go ask someone from here

we also have channels for this

#🇪🇺-cadet-recruit

here people actively look for cadets in EU

this is heavily preferred over auto-assign, because you will more likely have someone who actually teaches you things

[forest marlin]

yo whats invite codes ??

[abstract sequoia]

it's codes that new and returning accounts can input from active players. after the code receiver completed a few missions, both get rewards

[forest marlin]

is there a level cap

[abstract sequoia]

we have a channel for this here #invite-links-here

[abstract sequoia]

yes there is

wait, level cap for using invite codes or max level in general?

[forest marlin]

yes

[ancient needle]

Wdym "yes" 😭

[forest marlin]

like using others codes

[forest marlin]

lmao

[ancient needle]

Anyway, it's lvl 26 for entering an invite code (unless returnee, then no cap, just limited by the returnee event duration)

[forest marlin]

alr

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[forest marlin]

yooo

[ruby sundial]

What’s FDD?

[lyric anvil]

Dragon Coralie

[shut frigate]

Should I craft the purp weapons for HoR? her sig aint avail unless I pay for another bp

[sweet flax]

her sig isnt available in bp anyways, just use the dkey you got from realms as it is a higher base atk option

[shut frigate]

alrighty

[shut frigate]

I meant the uhh bright pink currency the bp gives

u can use 10 of them to redeem a weap

[sweet flax]

im aware about the reserve shop, im telling you stars of eden: anti-entropy isnt in the bp right now

the weapon you are referring to is her old weapon that was replaced

[shut frigate]

Ohhhh

[sweet flax]

and shouldnt be bought using the bp currency as its a waste

[shut frigate]

im assuming her new weap is more recent so it wont be around the shop?

[sweet flax]

not recent no

its relatively old and should be added to bp soon

[shut frigate]

Ohh, if that is the case should I keep an eye for it or should I just leave it alone and save those thingies up for something else

[sweet flax]

its a dkey so it will be higher in priority compared to other non-dkey options in the bp

[shut frigate]

I like HoR's gimmick but given shes like an old p1 character I'm hesitant

[shut frigate]

Ohhh

[sweet flax]

no p1 valk is meta relevant in terms of abyss (the p1 surge for physical/fire dps died with sparkle and rs' p1 support cases being less common with the current weathers)

[shut frigate]

are dkey options more expensive? or is it 10

[sweet flax]

all available dkeys cost 10 and the recent addition 7t was also 10, no reason to believe the price will change for dkeys

[shut frigate]

Mmm thats nice, I'll pick it up then for her when I get the chance

[sweet flax]

btw mind if I ask

why are you asking about hor is it for abyss?

if so, just use any p2 valk to brute force it, ungeared p1 is not gonna outscore a geared p2 team

[shut frigate]

oh no reason really, I just really like the design HoR has especially her motorcycle lol
just wanted to ask in case

[sweet flax]

[fathom phoenix]

do i need to only clear one to be able to lite all the bosses

[sweet flax]

it checks the highest clear you've done and you can lite up to the difficulty before it (if you cleared an sss boss in this week, the next cycle that happens on tuesday with the ma week reset will allow you to lite the sss bosses up till ss (ss bosses are only liteable up till s)

[twilit junco]

whose next banner?

[calm kernel]

it is actually the +20% boss that it checks like @fathom phoenix asked

[sweet flax]

ah

[calm kernel]

even if you clear sampo 6/6 and homu 5/5 this week but dont touch kevin, you wont have any lite next week

[sweet flax]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[calm kernel]

and if you only do kevin 6/6 you can lite everything next week

[twilit junco]

w sparkle ty

[restive sail]

can i use part 1 sss dps to clear content if i use ss part 2 premium supports dps like mpe and mobius

[odd plume]

clear content, yes
but wont reach high rank

[shut frigate]

Should I worry about maxing this out entirely?

I finally got to get rhe full set for dracoralie

I can skip the next valk for now safely yes

[ancient needle]

I mean, she's very strongly recommended to get

I assume you're a new player, you should be able to comfortably get her

[ancient needle]

And in that case it's better not to max FDD's weap for now and prioritize 8.5's

[ancient needle]

If you wanna skip 8.5 for personal reasons then yeah, you can max this weap

[shut frigate]

Alright alright
The only other reason why I wanna skip next valk is bc of the 8.5 char

[ancient needle]

Ah, by "next valk" you meant the rerun

[shut frigate]

Yes yes

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you should skip that

[shut frigate]

Its paws helia right

[ancient needle]

Ye

[shut frigate]

Guess for the next month I should just farm my stories and elysian realm

[ancient needle]

Pretty much

[shut frigate]

I should always assume I only need 70 pulls at most for char banner right? Bc of the free 10 pull thing

[ancient needle]

80

[shut frigate]

Oh the pity is 90

I forgot

Whats the total amt of crystals again? For char + weapon assuming hard pity for both

[ancient needle]

(80+60)*280 in this case

39200

[shut frigate]

Hmm I should still have enough content left to blast through to get 39k without rushing everything

Not to mention possible bonus pulls for 8.5

[ancient needle]

Yeah, there are freebies

[shut frigate]

Nice

[ancient needle]

• you still have your consistent income (dailies, Abyss, ER and so on)

[jolly pulsar]

"RL isn't difficult!" people when I show them my agony 3 bracket

[next spade]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

They removed the moving ur cursor with keyboard

[outer spruce]

team looks very beatable

[jolly pulsar]

🔫

[outer spruce]

i beat this in rl

[jolly pulsar]

??? tf is htat

whale behavior

[outer spruce]

i beat them by 10 points

[jolly pulsar]

is there a better team i can run? need like 25 extra points

[outer spruce]

I'd replace vita with sena, no thelema is tough though

[jolly pulsar]

sena has no gear, just stigma i think (alt)

[outer spruce]

if sena has all 3 of her stigma, it's probably still better, sena doesn't have to set up breach like vita does and sena still has more breach

[ancient needle]

I feel like you might as well run Sena Vita atp

[reef bronze]

Who's the pink one

[ancient needle]

Ah

Vita RS it is

[ancient needle]

The battlesuit name is right under her

[reef bronze]

It says herrscher of human ego.

[outer spruce]

yeah that's her

[reef bronze]

Is that her name

[ancient needle]

Depends on how many buffs you lose tbh

[quick birch]

yeah that's the battlesuit

[ancient needle]

The name of the character is Elysia

[reef bronze]

Can i get her now.

[reef bronze]

Ooh

[quick birch]

!faq battlesuit

[small willow]

Characters vs Battlesuits

Ai-chan is confused, Captain...

Please be specific about which battlesuit you are referring to by using their battlesuit name - better yet, its abbreviated form! See the glossary here.

In Honkai Impact 3rd, several of the playable Valkyries have alternate forms, these are called "battlesuits".

• For example, Herrscher of Reason is a battlesuit of Bronya's, and so are Wolf's Dawn, Yamabuki Armor, and Silverwing: N-EX!

Many battlesuits that share the same Character (e.g. Fenghuang of Vicissitude and Herrscher of Sentience; Fu Hua) have very different roles and thus different applications in your teams as they have COMPLETELY different skills and gameplay.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ancient needle]

From Level Rush (gotta pay up), from Reserve BP (realistically gotta pay up too) ||or from the free box next patch||

[reef bronze]

Can i get her for free? I am new

[ancient needle]

The spoiler tagged part

[reef bronze]

Oh okay

When is next patch

[quick birch]

a bit less than 4 weeks

23rd October to be exact

[jolly pulsar]

i pulled some guano and did this

Was a really messy rotation since the first mob kept dying too fast but not fast enough

s2 hohe s2 vita RS S chenxue

not sure if s2 vita helped tbh

[quick birch]

I'm not too sure about chenxue here, she should provide less dmg buffs but gives you more initial ARI, are you instatnly pressing SO once it's ready ?

[jolly pulsar]

nope, because it messes my rot

maybe i should try DS

[quick birch]

yeah give DS a try

[jolly pulsar]

didnt work

[lime talon]

||Wait what is free?||

[quick birch]

|| We'll get a free box next patch from which you can select Hohe or HoTr or 5 stamps from one of the two ||

[quick birch]

you can always record a run ofc

[lime talon]

would there be a way to get Hohe wep?

if i alr used my divine key box for fist

[outer spruce]

hohe dkey is gacha only

you would have to wait for the banner

it wasn't in the box

[outer spruce]

no that set is for hofs

[lime talon]

wait theres a banner for hohe and wep?

[outer spruce]

hohe is too old to get a banner, her dkey has it's own banner though

[lime talon]

where?

how do i get old character weps

[outer spruce]

old character weapons are either in exchange shop or in reserve shop, hoh's dkey is still kinda new so it's still gacha

her dkey came out like 3 patches ago

you would have to wait for the rerun if you want it

[lime talon]

the one that cost weapon resonance?

how do i stock pile those

[outer spruce]

make bounty weapons in foundry and turn them into resonance

[lime talon]

huh never heard of those is there a guide there

[dark eagle]

can SSS eden with her gun and Hamdel set do ER?

[outer spruce]

yes

[thick bolt]

Foundry has a filter for bounty weapons.
You first craft the spirit then it's respective bounty weapon

then convert to weapon reso

1k weapon reso each

[lime talon]

i dont have that much ether fuel 😭

is g1 thing from mirage?

[outer spruce]

yes, it's also where you get ether fuel

[dark eagle]

bruhh why i have to wait 24 hours

[thick bolt]

Go to profile and set a password, you can then lock and unlock with password to skip waiting time

just uh, do take care to remember it or write it down somewhere

[dark eagle]

oh well i suppose ill just wait for it then

btw need help with ER for Silverwing for ER

[sly bane]

i got her in a 1 pull, is she any good for my account?

[wintry wharf]

yes

[quick birch]

yeah just make sure to also get her weapon

[mortal plover]

Which weapon should I get? I have all three characters

[quick birch]

!faq wep

[small willow]

Beginner Weapon Option

Hi, Captain!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep the box until you have a use case for one of the weapons. Both Purana Phantasma and Nocturnal Stealth have their uses. Key of Ego is generally not recommended.

If you insist on opening the box immediately, Purana is likely to have more usage long-term due to the team tdm buff and RC being able to quickly debuff enemies which may be useful for SS MA.
-# Please note that you definitely should not rush to PRI-ARM these weapons, they are not a good investment of PRI materials.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[wispy aurora]

8.5 GLB Beta sign up is out!

[upbeat egret]

Purama

[sweet flax]

sign ups were open for 3 days now

in 19 hours they close

[jolly pulsar]

How much score should this team get in NA RL?

[analog root]

when does immutable crystallum from the BP expire?

[frozen crypt]

The word immutable means unchanging, the whole point of these new Crystallums is that they are permanent

[analog root]

ooo good to know cause when i returned i saw the old ones expire so i thought it would be the case for these as well.

[frozen crypt]

Nah, the tradeoff is now that you have to purchase knight/paladin to access the current bp shop and there's also a vintage shop for older stuff that's available to everyone, basically buying knight/pala gets you access to bp additions a lot earlier

!faq balls

[small willow]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[jolly pulsar]

Bump

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cc4HFhnWU maybe something below this since your hohe is lower ranked

I'm not sure what chenxue is offering for you over DS so maybe review the details there if you haven't already

if double outburst with all the evade farming is too much for you, then consider not outbursting on mobs and just outbursting on the boss

[jolly pulsar]

Yeah, I’ve been outbursting on boss
With Thelema I can get 781, which doesn’t seem too bad

Oh but the video is 840 kek

[zealous marsh]

Is there a way for me to see how many days i havent log on the game?

[rugged compass]

Not really, you cant see how many days you missed through the game itself, however it does tell you your start date. You gotta go to the ai chan phone then press Login.

For me it says 2/14/2023
I would ask the search engine you use "how many days ago was 2/14/2023"
It gives me 957, and all you have to do is subtract how many days you got from the days listed in the login.
957-957 is 0, so I havent missed any days, but lets just say i had 937 listed instead, it would be 957-937
That would be 20, meaning I missed 20 days.

Kinda overcomplicated it.
"How many days ago was (insert today)"
Subtract how many days its been, from the number you see above on your game (it says 957 for me)

Does that make any sense?

[lyric anvil]

Damn I started Hi3 on the final week of 7.9

[odd plume]

if you only play this game, you can go to hoyolab > privacy setting > Password and Security
it shows you your last login on a device

may not work if you play other hoyogames too i think

[ocean nimbus]

uhhh this thingy was in my inventory so long and which should i choose

[spiral badge]

i encourage you to continue leaving it alone

[ocean nimbus]

i wonder why

[spiral badge]

all weapons from the box don't really have direct actual uses. They're just so you can get a global +10 atk to all your valks from the dorm > divine key menu

this amount of attack on its own is small but can be notable as you go far in the game, or collectively with others

the reason why we tell you to hold the box is because we may get specific ones in the future via event giveaways or other similar opportunities

so picking one early may force you into a dupe down the line, and there's no major benefit to getting the atk now unless you have a very specific case

[ocean nimbus]

it seems like 4 of them have already appeared in reserved works

i guess i ll keep it then

[spiral badge]

yeah

same idea for reserve works tbh since the orbs there don't expire

but also down the line, they may update that shop with more weaopns too (7thunders was a newer addition)

[ocean nimbus]

i already bought it before they updated the orbs thingy

[spiral badge]

then no need to consider that weapon from there

once you get enough from other more forced sources, and reach a point where you can use the box to get the last one remaining, then it's ideal to open it

or you can keep the box forever for collection purposes. Some players prefer that

!faq dkeywhat

[small willow]

Divine Keys

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Divine Key explanation pin!

Divine keys are special weapons that can give permanent bonuses to your account!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

!faq keep

[small willow]

General Item Usage

Hello, Captain! Ai-chan is here to explain why keeping items is sometimes the best choice.

If you immediately use something without actually needing what it provides, you may put yourself at a disadvantage later on by wasting a source of materials that you fall short of down the line.

This applies to almost every irreversible material choice such as:

• Stigma Option boxes
• Material Option boxes
• Blazing Assembly Option (ELF Option box)
  • ELF Part Option boxes
• Weapon Option boxes (Divine Key or Beginner Weapon Option box)
• Salvaging non-duplicate Weapons/Stigmata
• Buying items using rare currencies (i.e., Supply Shop)

Before selecting something from an option box, salvaging gear, or buying materials, think twice if you actually need what is offered and if you really need it right now!
-# Making these choices is justified if you need those materials to upgrade gear and achieve a higher score in the current cycle of competitive gamemodes. Ask our Professors if you are not sure whether now is a good time to use your items!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

some relevant faqs to what we've been talking about if you want to understand more

[shut frigate]

If I were to talk about 8.5 content here but I need advice, would I talk about it in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion or can I ask here and spoiler?

[odd plume]

can ask here with spoiler

[spiral badge]

if it's for an extended/lengthy discussion then the cn channel is prob better

but for a quick question, here is fine with spoiler tagging

[shut frigate]

||Would a team of Love Elf, Dracoralie and reg coralie do fine? And would elysia be the main dps of the team? And I can just throw it wherever?||

[shell basin]

||It would be a little painful in RL because GoI battlesuits really want two symbiosis supports but it would be perfectly functional in Agony 3 in anything except fire weather (in fire weather you would want to be FDD dps)||

||HLE is stardust which has no type counters which really helps when you only have one team||

||Ideally you would get lucky and pull either Peregrine Sword or Badum from carnival for free and then you’d be super fine but obviously you can’t count on that||

[spiral badge]

it doesn't sound like you really understand how team building works. If stuff like ||GoI and Symbiosis|| is making you confused then you may want to check out the following guide

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

if you're considering VBm coralie because you have nothing else relevant then that's the best you can do for now. Expect the team to function awkwardly until you get another matching support (if ||you don't get lucky on carnival with the free pulls then you'll prob wait for the next new release when you can afford them+their weapon||.

[shut frigate]

Ohhhhhh

[shut frigate]

I see I see

||What is carnival? Is it some sort of banner coming on 8.5 that runs units earlier this year? I'm only hearing about it right now||

[spiral badge]

check here (from the pins)

[shell basin]

||Carnival is a rerun banner in 8.5 where you get 20 free pulls. It’s not worth spending more crystals than that but you can always get lucky||

||Carnival Banners in 8.5 are Badum, Peregrine, Vita, and Sparkle, in probably that order for how useful they are to you||

[shut frigate]

Ohhhhh I see I see

[spiral badge]

for future reference that info is from #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[shut frigate]

I'll give this a read too, I assume ||HLE AND FDD is grail of infinitude?||

[spiral badge]

no

FDD is RoO

[shut frigate]

OH

[shell basin]

Yeah, FDD is symbiosis but not GoI

[lyric anvil]

Completely different AR

[spiral badge]

so FDD functions very differently as a leader with different supports

[shut frigate]

Okay I definitely need to read this, I get confused with all these sub-types on astral rings

[shell basin]

There’s a ring type that matters when you’re a leader and a support type that matters when you aren’t. FDD has symbiosis, the GoI support tag, but isn’t a GoI battlesuit. I heavily advise reading it yeah

[spiral badge]

the simplest way i can put this is

every valk has one ring type = how they act as a leader dps

every valk can have one or multiple tags = how they act as a support and which leader ring type they match up with

[shell basin]

It’ll help a lot with understanding how teams work

[spiral badge]

technically ring type and tags can have more features besides lead/support (mainly for specific effects that specifically mentions them) but that's the main idea

[shut frigate]

Ohhhhh

[spiral badge]

but yeah it's very important you understand this idea. It's how all teams are built nowadays

don't focus on the literal meaning behind the names (it's nonesense). Just learn to recognize what name matches with what

[lyric anvil]

Based on what's the leaders specialization for what supports to use

[grand frost]

Hello!! Coming back to Hi3rd after a very long break! What team should I be doing?

[shell basin]

You don't really have any modern teams, everything here is free ||or will be next patch||

probably Hohe dps with Jade Knight and then RC or Kira from the asterite shop is your best option

but if you have meta goals you might instead want to restart

[grand frost]

What do you mean by everything here is free?

[shell basin]

if you do stick with it you'll be saving up

[shell basin]

Every battlesuit you have is farmable

[grand frost]

Oh you can farm them?

[shell basin]

except hohe ||who is being given away next patch||

[odd plume]

first advice is remake a new account
if you dont want to, there are several teams for beginner

[lyric anvil]

HoHe BP only right now

[shell basin]

Yeah rn its Bpass only

[grand frost]

Well I really like hohe, if I restart indeed who should I go for?

[shell basin]

If you restart you will be going for FDD if you're willing to reroll or saving up if you aren't

because FDD's banner is almost finished

[odd plume]

you can reroll for FDD, or just do the discount pull on her banner and see

if you get her, good
if not, save for next patch

[grand frost]

About how long is the reroll process taking in this game?

[odd plume]

about 15~20 mins for one reroll

[shell basin]

I think it was like 20 mins a reroll but there's no set amount of rerolls it takes

[odd plume]

depend on how fast you play through the tutorial too

[shell basin]

rerolling is very crystal efficient and will save you a ton of time but is also kind of boring so some people don't want to (I didn't, tho I regret that)

[odd plume]

but you have to ask yourself how much you want to play first

rerolling isn't for everyone

can remake a new account, do discount pull and see

[grand frost]

do we have any preview of who is next patch?

[shell basin]

yeah no point in rerolling if it saps all your enthusiasm and it means you decide not to keep playing, then you just wasted your account

[shell basin]

Next patch is ||Hi Love ELf, a new Elysia Battlesuit||

see #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion for more details

[odd plume]

CN sv is 1 month ahead of glb, we can see what will come

[grand frost]

Is there a halves system like other hoyogames? or will that last the whole patch?

[odd plume]

i asume you mean 50:50?

[grand frost]

Nope

[shell basin]

Most new release banners last 6 weeks out of an 8-10 week patch. There is no 50-50 on the banner, if you get to pity without rolling the battlesuit or weapon you get the battlesuit or weapon

[odd plume]

no idea what halves system is

[shell basin]

I think they mean how in HSR the first half of a patch is new releases and the second half is another banner or reruns, which Hi3 sort of has but its not half

[grand frost]

As in if the banner lasts the whole patch or if it gets changed halfway in the patch

[odd plume]

oh

you can see the future banner duration in the pin in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[shell basin]

We're in 8.4 right now. Fate Defying Dragon's banner is the first 6 weeks of 8.4, which are almost done with. Then there's 3 weeks of only rerun banners, and then 8.5 which has a new release of another 6 weeks

[lyric anvil]

New Valk banner pretty much lasts most of the patch till close to the end of it

[shell basin]

it's generally not advised to pull on reruns for meta but obviously if you love a character more than you care about meta you can do it

just meta gets you a lot of your pulls in this game

[frozen crypt]

(Since we have A and B supplies we often get reruns running alongside the new release from week 2 as well)

[grand frost]

Hmm, I'm not sure where to check my progression with the game, to see if i can keep this account or if I have to re-do one. But I probably haven't played in a good 2 years, I'd assume I have lots of content to clear?

[shell basin]

Yeah, there's lots of new content. Broadly speaking, a new account can pull two new releases back to back with no issue, and more if they're lucky or reroll. A returnee account has to do a lot of saving

[odd plume]

how is your crystal now?

[frozen crypt]

Usually we just ask for screenshots of your valks and gear to see what state your account is in

[grand frost]

821 crystals, 59 until pity

[shell basin]

they posted screenshot above

already lyo

it's all free battlesuits and hohe

who is sort of free

[grand frost]

i basically only have hohe and her weapon

[odd plume]

best is restart, but up to you, your account is still very early to the game, nothing much to lose really

[shell basin]

Hohe has a new weapon now, she doesnt use her old one

unfortunately

[grand frost]

oh

[shell basin]

she's still useful with the right team but it absolutely needs her new weapon to function

Anyway my advice would be to make a new account, and go until you get your first 10 pull from tutorial rewards. If you go "hey thats not so bad" you can reroll, if you go "yeah that was boring I don't want to keep doing it" you can stick with it. In either case you'll be caught up with your current account in like 3 weeks but with way more pulls

[shut frigate]

The bow they give in starter missions, is it the old hohe weapon? HoHE has an AR weapon right?

[shell basin]

yes and yes

[grand frost]

Well does it make a big difference if I do that now or in 8.5? Not really interested by FDD

[shell basin]

Well if you do it now you have 3 weeks to save up crystals

[frozen crypt]

ah my data is too slow to load images

[shell basin]

If you don't want FDD at all you can skip the rerolling and just do the discount pull, tho note she's expected to be BiS support for most new releases for a while.

and a decent one for most other cases

tbc you also absolutely can stick with the old account if you're attached to it you should just expect to have to do a lot more saving

and take a lot longer to catch up

[odd plume]

if you do it now, more time to save for next patch so you can get the next valk right away, but you have to play with only free/farmable stuffs, which isnt too bad at low lv

and you could have a good support for next valk

[grand frost]

Well I guess tomorrow is a day of rerolling

[shell basin]

Gl, may you succeed on try 1

[grand frost]

Thank you!

[odd plume]

that hell you walking into

[grand frost]

The new valk deserves every single tear I will drop

[shell basin]

great, you're just in time to join the two ely simp events this patch too

[grand frost]

whats all that im confused

[shell basin]

Uh, each patch in Hi3 has events, which give rewards for participating. Two of the events this patch are elysia simp events

[fierce kernel]

Should I save up for ely or should I try and get fdd weapon

[shell basin]

For meta you don't want to pull battlesuits without your weapon but idk what your crystal count looks like and what one time sources you have avail

[grand frost]

Yeah I got that so far but I'm not sure what events give besides Crystals haha

[shell basin]

They also tend to give upgrade materials for gear and valkyries, like coins, phase shifters, honkai shards, and so forth

sometimes also character skins

[grand frost]

I see I see, also another question, to reroll do I have to re-open the game each time or is there a feature ingame to go back to menu

[shell basin]

There's a rerolling guide here #👶beginner-help message

[fierce kernel]

Basically I’m at chapter 12 and my crystal at 2k smth #pulladdict

My stater manual is at 8 I think

Level rush 50

Sensei 0

Days 3

[shell basin]

You've been playing for three days?

[fierce kernel]

Yaur

Let me check the hours

14 hours total

[shell basin]

Hmm. Yeah if you're a beginner I would absolutely try to pull weapon, there's low enough time left you might not make it but ideally you will. and then you should get enough pulls as a beginner that you can get 8.5 battlesuit

Maybe not on day 1

but it'll be less bad to get her weapon a little late but have a good support for her than to have her weapon day 1 and no good team

either way you're missing her first bit of shill but the first one is more temporary

[fierce kernel]

Okay mama I got all her stigmata rn

Alrighty let me speed run this chapters

[shell basin]

yeah having all their stigma is good but if you get more that's free prisms which is also good

[fierce kernel]

Work it queen

[shell basin]

Good skill

[shut frigate]

should I get this for jade or should I keep wep selector for HohE

[shell basin]

Generally the best weapon selector option is probably Purnima since Reverist Calico is a pretty good generic tdm support and Jade Knight is fine with nebs but it's not a huge deal either way, none of them are super used in meta

Hohe won't use her old weapon in abyss but her with her old weapon might be your best cope on SS MA until you have an established roster

[shut frigate]

ohhh

[grand frost]

I did end up getting FDD, do I need her weapon as well?

[spiral badge]

for most general intents and purposes, signature weapons are the meta standard and not negotiable for new release valkyries. In other words, if you are looking to pull a new valk, you don't really want to skip her weapon.

Signature weapons offer high personal damage (can range from 20% or even 60%) and may offer important utility for the gameflow of the valkyrie

Here's a video covering FDD's weapon and her alternatives in particular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA7xl16gOxU

the meta is emphasized in this game because abyss gives roughly half of your regular weekly crystals and eventually becomes a place where you compete against other players for high scores (instead of just flat point goals to clear). Anyone looking to do well will have the weapon.

[grand frost]

Okay okay I see thank you! Hopefully I'll be able to get her weapon in the 4 days left that we have

[spiral badge]

you should be able to if you're brand new. Plenty of one time crystals to still get

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

(also in pins)

but in the future you'll want to plan to make sure to get the weapon the banner goes away (and later on aim to get both valk and weap at the beginning of the patch)