💁gameplay-help

[willow wedge]

I don't have her gears so this is nice to hear lol

I'll check Roald out

[crude cloak]

It's just the 3pc effect of it

[plucky gust]

can't you just cut it short? like cut her weapon skill instantly or something?

[crude cloak]

You don't get the buffs in that case

[willow wedge]

Oh nice, and I got the whole set, cool

I'll also check other stigs i have that might offer better passive buffs just incase

[crude cloak]

Turn off VBm's QTE btw, it'll increase FDD's swap CD

From 4 secs to 8

[willow wedge]

Oh????? Geez thanks! Had no idea

[crude cloak]

Or maybe swap to Helia (with her QTE turned off) and then to VBm

That way you get the benefits of the QTE without the drawbacks

Ofc swapping takes time, but it does make the rot a lot easier

[half hatch]

I'd have to do some testing myself but I'd guess that at least her stellar drain should be kinda useful for fdd. The only question is if it's actually worth to switch to her just for her normal buffs as teammate already said since afaik most of her non ring ele buffs are applied by her Ult

[willow wedge]

So qte off for helia and blastmetal, rotate helia - blastmetal - weapon - dragon?

[crude cloak]

Nah, if you go with the route of turning off Helia's QTE and swapping to her, you can keep VBm's on

[half hatch]

Can't test rn but I'll make sure to let you know my results once I did

[willow wedge]

Yes please!

[willow wedge]

Mhmmm, so it would be helia - blastmetal qte and weapon - dragon?

[crude cloak]

Yes

2 WAs on VBm tho

[willow wedge]

Oh? So her weapon fromm qte, and then basic atk into weapon again?

[crude cloak]

No
The QTE is just that, the QTE
I meant QTE -> spinny attack -> ground taps

The usual, no cooking here

[willow wedge]

Ohhhh gotchu, gotchu

Will try these out tomorrow

[buoyant current]

For the BP, should I get SS Lunar Vow, SS HoFi, S2 Sena, or skip all?

[half hatch]

i'm not really familiar with VBs kit and while testing fdd's cope team i came across this part of her kit but i cant seem to get that extra 60 SP( if it's even supposed to be SP idk maybe hoyo translation shit) those SP would really improve her ult frequency and said ult has 1 of her non ring exclusive ele buffs.

[crude cloak]

How are your teams for LV and HoFi looking

[buoyant current]

don’t have quantum teri’s weapon, or cosmic expression’s stigmata’s 💔

[crude cloak]

So, LV DPS is kinda cooked

HoFi?

[buoyant current]

my trio is geared but both HoO and HoTr are S

[crude cloak]

I'd wait for more 8.5 news, there's some copium about LV potentially getting a dkey

Sena is defo not worth btw

[buoyant current]

oh whys that

[frigid phoenix]

When free 5 expa cards

[crude cloak]

The only consideration is WoD cycles (if you buy her weap synergies), but that's not that much of an improvement really

Sena's S2 is for mobs iirc, and Badum alr stole that

Lemme double check

Yeah

There is a bit of a buff to her last attack of the basics sequence too, but that's not notable enough

[lilac mango]

Is OP Chenxue as needed for Coralie or whoever as Teri Teri was for Snek Kiana?

[buoyant current]

i see… what should i pull to fix my LV and HoFi teams? or is it not worth atp

[crude cloak]

Literally nothing to pull for HoFi (what you could do is grind them ER and PWO stamps for HoO)

Backpulling for LV is not worth

[crude cloak]

I'd wait for 8.5 news in regards to PWO though, there could be smth else added to that shop

[buoyant current]

alrighty thank you!

[crude cloak]

Shouldn't be as much, and Chenxue wants SS for RoO

[lilac mango]

Ah good to know thanks, I'll probably skip Chenxue then since I don't wanna dump tons of pulls into Astral OP right now hah

[brave carbon]

what signets does coralie use?

[pale musk]

I have 4 star Kiana ELF, S Teri and SS DreamSeeker. What do I use for Dragon Coralie?

[hybrid ingot]

chenxue any good?

[open bone]

At SS+ she’s good if you want to push nirvana scores in paws and FDD dps cycles

If you’re not in nirv DS is fine and if she’s not SS there’s basically no reason to use her

[lament prairie]

So many MA strats bricked without SS as well kek

[cyan surge]

do we have NA nirv dist and EU RL dist for Ignite Benares ?

[dusky pendant]

is helia paws under the archers category in affix?

[half hatch]

nope she's a crossbow user

archers are bows only

[dusky pendant]

ok ty

[full trench]

541 for NA nirv

[mortal jetty]

Wait difference between and EU is only 1D now?

Nice nice

[full trench]

NA slacc

[cyan surge]

oh I also need SEA Nirv dist too

[mortal jetty]

547D

[cyan surge]

actual slack fr
normally its roughly a 3D difference

[mortal jetty]

2-3* yes

[last rapids]

its 2 most of the time

but we got an outlier cycle again

sometimes it drops to 1 then goes back up

[cyan surge]

hellmaru and Sa really just checked everyone

[last rapids]

we all follow CN schedule but we get irregular cycles like this

[last rapids]

literally has nothing to do with activity or abyss avg score

if it did KR would be lowest

but its highest instead

[cyan surge]

[rigid cedar]

okay how much CAN i do with S chenxue

[cunning gull]

u got chen?

[mortal jetty]

Not much

[last rapids]

you can just check what happens in IOS and we will follow the exact same temp drop/increase

to spoil yourself

[rigid cedar]

4 pulls remaining

[half hatch]

skip paws WA in SO

[rigid cedar]

thats it?

[cunning gull]

oh

[last rapids]

i usually follow just to see if we follow or not, 19 out of 20 cycles we do except some cycles, we got two irregular cycles last patch, one that increased SEA difference more while we followed CN as usual

[half hatch]

in terms of rotation yeah, you still got some dmg buffs ofc

[cunning gull]

please tell me that i dont need chen for the ari for bella n litost boss (nirv) 😇

[last rapids]

dont you record temps? you really should've figured this by now

[rigid cedar]

and for RoO...

[half hatch]

dmg

[rigid cedar]

okay

if its above kiaelf I'm fine with that

[mortal jetty]

Definitely

[last rapids]

maybe add CN to the list of temps to see what cycle is the outlier when it happens

[cyan surge]

well I knew that temp increases/drops are pretty much the same across servers but sometimes they are different

[cyan surge]

CN is too hard to track and I'm too lazy to do it myself

[last rapids]

at least nirvana because its what is pretty accurate , idk about RL temps or below anyway across servers

nirvana should be easy

[rigid cedar]

lotus has plenty of uploads tho from what I saw

[last rapids]

we have https://honkai-guide.web.app/#/memorial_lineups , you can just find the specific cycle / boss and add the temp from any run

wont take 30 seconds all in all

[cyan surge]

if you want a Nirvana example, on Sa (previous cycle) - SEA dropped -3, EU -1 and NA -2

[last rapids]

or find a specific abyss uploader who uploads consistently and follow

[last rapids]

yeah that was the outlier

[cyan surge]

other than that, yeah they are usually all the same

[last rapids]

i kinda hate outliers because they throw you off and its always an EU big L

but this one was great, EU didnt take the loss

i'd love for EU to not be the lowest server even for once so people can stop making excuses when i nitpick

[cyan surge]

[last rapids]

but it always goes back

[lament prairie]

Ok grandpa let's get you to bed

[cyan surge]

Kyooi

[lament prairie]

The numbers are making you crazy

[lament prairie]

Shep

[rigid cedar]

need to teach lotus players how to play then

[last rapids]

grandma i asked you something in the other server go respond

i should have pinged cuz u blind

[lament prairie]

Oh shit sec

Yeah I don't read

[last rapids]

again, from what we know gameplay/score whatever has 0 relevance

at least according to the past 3 years statistics

[rigid cedar]

what about this?

i always thought there is a chance for a bias to deviate from CN numbers

[last rapids]

but its so so rare and when it happens it has nothing to do with abyss avg

like numbers dont change either way but we still get the change

and the change itself is not consistent in the first place

[rigid cedar]

so no pattern at all?

[last rapids]

like SEA avg overall is always the highest, yet they took the biggest loss on SA cycle

yeah, we tried searching for a pattern for 4 years and a half

dont bother

[rigid cedar]

[last rapids]

this led to a spiral of delulu discussions, some people thinking they solved D many times and so many arguments back in the day

meanwhile we're just synced to CN while intern-kun remembers he has a job and changes the temp in one cycle once in a while

[reef tide]

Will Chenxue AOp return in the future? I kinda like her design

[elfin parrot]

Probably given their history of rerunning other gacha Ops.

However meta wise the mileage you will gain from pulling later will diminish and you may instead opt to pull for a newer op for a newer ring type by then.

Of course if you just like it, it's fine but be wary of other new things you may also like for your limited amount of crystals at that later point.

[stiff wigeon]

Is chenxue any good?

Like does having her / not having her make a difference in redlotus

[elfin parrot]

Red lotus probably not

[eager smelt]

no

[elfin parrot]

!faq aop

[night parcel]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

From a meta standpoint, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[reef tide]

You got a point, in the end she might just stayin in the AOp menu while I'm still using DS as main AOp

[finite barn]

Just wait for a major spending event and pull if you need more pulls to hit a spending goal or something

I feel like chances are quite good that they'll run all the gacha aops on major spending patches

That's why I got my songque and teri ops

[reef tide]

Well I'm already got Latern Maid outfit so all good

[craggy ivy]

It's not as bad in ma tbf, fws wa counts as sus ani

[finite barn]

Well yeah this one is mini and you probably hit it just by getting the valk and her gears

But major spending has the big threshold at like 44k or something which is like impossible to hit now if you're just pulling valk+weapon without going for ranks

[vernal terrace]

I was too lucky that I didn't have enough tokens for DKey box

[craggy ivy]

Also am I doing something wrong or does fdd damage just plummet outside of SO

[mortal jetty]

Maybe some buffs ran out?

[spiral raven]

is there tricks to do her thing faster the basic 4a

[craggy ivy]

Oh nvm just saw wrong

[mortal jetty]

You mean the fast breath tech in SO +instant weapon after SO?

[spiral raven]

is that the tech, i saw a guy does basic 4a 4 times in so, and after SO could weap ult again

[mortal jetty]

Probably

But its really tight tho

0.5s Window before SO ends

[spiral raven]

idk r u able 2 tell
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1NP8xzrEpt/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

he can get basic 4a 4 times in so, i get 3 and not neough time on the last one

whoops

i mean i can only get it twice and he can get it three times

cant count

[mortal jetty]

You need to skip the third dragon breath and hold ult again for the fourth breath

But like I said its really tight

[spiral raven]

i see

[craggy ivy]

Wait is fish skip gone

[mortal jetty]

Yes

[craggy ivy]

I don't have a phys dps anymore

[spiral raven]

ok i sleep

[sleek imp]

is there S cx ref for aka?

[spiral raven]

there's a sss teri ver instead

[cunning gull]

huh i thought the evasion one is still there?

[sleek imp]

which i dont have

[cerulean quarry]

i got a VERY stupid question.... is there a way to make old chars semi-viable? or...? (budget or not. just curious overall)

[cunning gull]

depends but it will need a hell lot on investment vs less value

[mortal jetty]

You can skip the SO in p1 and do it in p2.. should be able to 888 atleast

[mortal jetty]

Evasion fish skip is patched in 8.4

[cunning gull]

oh...

[craggy ivy]

Is there an alternative

[cerulean quarry]

depends on?... the char? or?

[cunning gull]

yes

[craggy ivy]

Like pause fish skip maybe?

[cunning gull]

[mortal jetty]

You will need to find out

But I hearded there is a 3rd fish skip version

[cunning gull]

[craggy ivy]

Good enough

[full trench]

new one pls dont be hard 🙏

[mortal jetty]

After songque qte press alt+f4 and sleep

[cunning gull]

good one

[craggy ivy]

[vernal terrace]

So Jump Fish Skip, Fishy Machine Gun, and Evade Fish Skip have been patched

[full trench]

maybe theres a falling fish skip somehow

[mortal jetty]

I hope so

[craggy ivy]

Yes, that's me falling to eggony during phys weathers

[full trench]

real

[cunning gull]

for the new one u need to put a fish next to ur device

[cerulean quarry]

gotcha gotcha. debating on screwing around in low-rank superstring with some old chars just wasnt sure if it would even be possible ^^

[cunning gull]

you can if u wanna have fun but you can probably get away with low investment cope stuff over working hard to sss that valk (if farmable) and backpulling supports
you can show who u wanna mess with to get some advice
or you can also play them in er so u dont need to invest much

now now lets see the odds i find a ds ref in bili bili for this abyss in nirv

[cerulean quarry]

ER doesnt need much investment for older chars?

[cunning gull]

skills n levels are automatically assumed maxed and the signets can carry you

the only thing u need is a wp and stigmata

[cerulean quarry]

ahhhh gotcha

[cunning gull]

wp can be what u alr have leveled or a foundry level 35 one and stigmatas will depend on what u have

if ur a casual and really like the character u can go the long route and take a long time to farm ranks n set but yeah it wont pay off too much unless you dont mind

[cerulean quarry]

cuz ye was thinking of messing around with phantom iron, Herrscher of the Void, goushinnso memento and maybe valkyrie pledge again

[cunning gull]

hmm yeah i would take the route of just using what u have over investing on these valks

[cerulean quarry]

think the only 1 thats built out of all of those is SSS HoV with her signature stuff (plus pri-arm)

[cunning gull]

thats nice

still they see no use in most content so its either just fun but u dont care about score or er

[cerulean quarry]

yeee. mainly just for fun. since the rank i unintentionally dropped myself to is pretty much inactive i might as well have some fun with things. its a bit of a shame that they all fell off so hard though...

[cunning gull]

yeah its the meta after all

new bosses get tankier and specific to new chars and the dis will keep going up

[cerulean quarry]

yee... never was a huge fan of following meta but cant do much about it here unless you lurk in low rank content unfortunately

[cunning gull]

at least the only important thing to do in this game is story so its fine play how u wanna as long as u know what ur getting

[lyric blaze]

what buffs does helia provide for coralie?

[weak drum]

and her original buffs too

[vernal terrace]

There's also another on FDD leader

[vernal terrace]

18.34% extra DMG from just one Valk (Probably more)
Plus PAWS' stig buffs

[frigid onyx]

is there any astral op comparison for FDD?

[full trench]

check wyverein's youtube channel but it will be different in different contexts

[dusty dagger]

It’s not 18.34% more dmg

The multipliers aren’t independent

[sleek imp]

did i do good?

[mortal jetty]

Really good dalao

[sleek imp]

[latent kestrel]

Well, looks like PAWS and FDD meant to be together.

But gosh, that's a huge buff.

[weak drum]

well because they are

[lament prairie]

well... I don't own fws

[craggy ivy]

A

[lament prairie]

xD

[vernal terrace]

Lyo skipped FWS

[lament prairie]

so I needed SS Chenxue to do anything good on aka

[craggy ivy]

Shouldn't hfi be 824+

Ig lyo too dalao to settle for f2p scores

[spiral raven]

fov time

[thick aspen]

824 is like i let my neighbours dog play the game for me

[craggy ivy]

[digital sky]

So uhm is 12 ignite trauma good enough for benares?

[weak drum]

there isnt a trauma check tho

bena is just a dps check

no phases whatsoever

[digital sky]

Oh

So .
.Helia would be best.?

[weak drum]

no- what?

[digital sky]

I dont own coralie.
Best in terms of cope

[weak drum]

why would a para lightning dps do best in an ignite weather

[digital sky]

Sorry

[weak drum]

oh right you spent your xtals n luck for fucking 0/4 sparkle

[digital sky]

3/4* (no wep)

[weak drum]

0/4*

[digital sky]

3/4* (no wep)

[weak drum]

3/4 suggests that you actually have weap

[digital sky]

[weak drum]

yeah thats right

also just try yeah, missing out on the big buffs but atleast its not super devastating like other ignite bosses

[digital sky]

Aka is horrendous

[dusty dagger]

[weak drum]

aka without ignite = just sleep

[lyric blaze]

does coralie have any techs?

[lament prairie]

I used LE HoV FoV on Assaka

[thick aspen]

only 1700 of them

[cunning gull]

huh what does that mean?/gen

[plucky gust]

what's the current best FoV team right now?

[quick quest]

hotr sparkle

[plucky gust]

oof. the one without sparkle?

[quick quest]

I guess still hotr cn

[digital sky]

Ya

[quick quest]

I remember the pain of trying to build ignite with ae for hfs dps on aka

[digital sky]

HoFs Sparkle AE

[idle abyss]

does anyone have a guide for all dkeys and how to obtain them/when they are available? ty

[cunning gull]

#👶beginner-help message info about dkeys

#👶beginner-help message mentions 4 dkeys

[quick quest]

does seem like faq dkeys could use an update about getting dkeys from bp/spending

[idle abyss]

^^ this

[cunning gull]

#💁gameplay-help message theres this too

[idle abyss]

idk which ones are currently available

[cunning gull]

• dkey box from mini spending

[idle abyss]

will there be a dkey box next patch in the big spending event?

[neon narwhal]

unknown

[cunning gull]

preview for dkey box

okay i think thats all?

[neon narwhal]

caught typo

[cunning gull]

[weak drum]

#profbtw

[cunning gull]

oh wait sorry this msg needs to be updated to say that u can also get 7 thunders from reserve as well @idle abyss

[solar gate]

is this a good score or are there any easy tech for coralie

[cunning gull]

hopefully i showed all dkeys that can be farmed rn

[cunning gull]

do u know of the breach tech?
it got strict timing tho

dont think theres any easy tech

[solar gate]

dunno how to do it

[idle abyss]

tyty

[cunning gull]

sorry for the bad quality but i found this explanation from hieu le

also #🎮honkai-chat message

i have yet to try tho

[surreal hatch]

what do you guys think of the new coralie is she good? should i pull? is she worth pulling?

[cunning gull]

she's good, usual dps, strong support for the recent 2 rings, is roo as well
can get if you can afford her and her weapon
its recommended to share ur current pity on valk n wp supply, current crystals and if you have a lot of content to finish

as that will help with the decision

[idle abyss]

okay i just did some ingame research on easiest ways to obtain all non stellar dkeys, can someone fact check me? ty

foundry: abyss, fenghuang pinions

realms of battle: grips of tai xuan, jizo mitama, judgement of shamash, star of eden, cleaver of shamash

exchange shop: oath of judah, pledge of sakura

bp: seven thunders, abyss flower, fenghuang down, twins of eden, might of an-utu

box: xuanyuan sword, star of eden: anti-entropy, infinite intimidator

[cunning gull]

get judah from exchange shop

add brick to box (u can only pick one tho)

so ideally u would pic xys

bc its rarer to get

[neon narwhal]

SoE:AE was 6.1 release so decent chance it gets added to reserve works relatively soon, don't quote me on this though

[cunning gull]

also the box can change from one another but that's whats in the current box minus the bp ones so yeah 👍

[cunning gull]

yeah this is possible

[idle abyss]

tyty

what is soew

[neon narwhal]

typo, star of eden: anti-entropy

[cunning gull]

star of eden anti entropy

[idle abyss]

ohh okay

[idle abyss]

when will we find out most likely

[cunning gull]

just #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion news really

[quick quest]

farming blue reso is a pain these days, but yeah, probably still better than bp unless you're regularly buying bp upgrades

[cunning gull]

mhm
plus it will take a while to get the dkeys so this is faster as u get a diff dkey from bp
and unless u need mirage for something else like ether fuel

[idle abyss]

which judah

the sakura one?

[cunning gull]

yellow one

if u need a pic

[surreal hatch]

got her in 10 pulls the discount one, bad news i dont have savings i just got back to check the new character

[idle abyss]

nvm it's both

[cunning gull]

the sakura one u can get from mirage

[idle abyss]

i checked

[cunning gull]

yeah
u can get from exchange but mirage is faster

[idle abyss]

tyty

[cunning gull]

👍

[pale palm]

Does anyone have a video of how to play dragon Carolie with Vita and HoFI\Carolie
I am not sure how to play her,every video I find also includes paws which I don't have

[quick quest]

https://youtu.be/jd-ohD_6dOE?t=416

[pale palm]

I don't know if Benares is way too tanky or she deals very low damage...or I play her wrong
Benares hp bar goes down very slowly
@quick quest why on the video after the breath attack she have 3 bars again but once I use the breath attack I am back to 1

[elfin field]

do you think chenxue is necessary for nirv retain in EU?

[quick quest]

when in the video do you mean? looks to me like she has 1 stack after breath

[pale palm]

oh nvm I figure it out,thanks

I was using the ult when she had one stack out of 3 and that ends the SO

It's my first time using her in abyss

[abstract pond]

What are the instances that SS Theresa AOP is better than S Chenxue for Vita DPS?

[pale palm]

btw which one is better HoFI or Carolie as a support
and which one is better,get chenxue or s2 Carolie?

or save

[hearty yacht]

does someone have a nirv ref with vita hofi

[pale palm]

getting better with Vita and HoFi instead of Carolie

[sage steppe]

New character always gonna be better than ranks/astral op

[pale palm]

save then,I wonder when they will release Leylah
I skip the last 3 valks in hopes she will appear but still nothing

[quasi pier]

why would you do that? the story showed no indication of laylah being close to playable yet

[pale palm]

I stop playing the story at the time I was able to control her

[quasi pier]

yeah that was a small flashback chapter

her actual story isn't done yet

[pale palm]

I just didn't need to pull for anyone and I pull for Carolie just because I like her playstyle(I have E2S1 Castorice)

Vita have been very useful and I though Leylah playstyle will be something similar to Vita which I really like

[quasi pier]

if we're comparing vita to leylah, we didn't get playable vita until way later

I'm not saying leylah will take just as long but I wouldn't expect her until her arc is over

[idle abyss]

need leylah as a valk 😞 i love her design

[cunning gull]

if someone got the patience to cook me a rot for benares (nirv) with this i would really really appreciate it
i shouldnt be sweating this but istg the rot vids are either temping me to mess up my potential anni funds to get s chenxue or go back to mt sweet home rl

[quick quest]

so paws support only needs to qte to activate her buffs, then optionally ult for stellar drain?

[dusty dagger]

yes

[lapis raven]

@weak drum do i rat

t2 834 with ss cx

im at 856

[weak drum]

mega rat

[lapis raven]

ok

[weak drum]

btw is the instant wa after so tech fps locked

[lapis raven]

idk what ure talking about

[weak drum]

the one where you already got 3 stacks cora 2nd ult but you do another combo for wa after so is over

so you dont have to combo and instantly get one stack for cora drill

[lapis raven]

no clue

[weak drum]

[lapis raven]

hvnt tried anything on cora yet

[lapis raven]

valk itself shd be fps locked anyw

its ignite, more fps more ticks

[weak drum]

fuck

[crude cloak]

Tbf she doesn't have Ignite stacking, so it's not as bad

[lapis raven]

@cunning gull kia4 or no?

[cunning gull]

if i get an elf from the box theyll be 2 star

@lapis raven here

[lapis raven]

ok ds it is

oh wait im s0+2 cora helia tho

eh it is what it is

[crude cloak]

Should compensate for dist diff

[lapis raven]

same dist

[crude cloak]

Oh, NA acc

[lapis raven]

eu

[crude cloak]

Wtf

[full trench]

compensate by removing ur affixes

[crude cloak]

[lapis raven]

@cunning gull look good enough for u?

surely ur s2 heli carries harder than my two +2 weaps right

[cunning gull]

yesss, whats ur atk tho, mine is very low

[lapis raven]

1473 cora

[dusty dagger]

what

[lapis raven]

1484 heli

[cunning gull]

problem she wont use her sec wp

[lapis raven]

TeriPoint~1

[dusty dagger]

wottle where's my cora tech guide

[cunning gull]

my affix is shit shhh but close enough
my cora is uh.. do i even wanna talk about her..

[full trench]

does the fast breath lose damage like the fast swap in paws ring

[dusty dagger]

i still haven't found a fast breath guide

where kyo vid

[full trench]

real

[lapis raven]

theres cora tech?

damn im waashed

[lapis raven]

sponsor him new pc

[lapis raven]

i can nerf myself by playing hfi if u want

[cunning gull]

wont u need paws to get SO quicker or do u wanna do 1 SO?

but sure u can cook how u wanna help is all i need

[lapis raven]

ive been doing one SO

[cunning gull]

ah i see, i wanna see it then!

[dusty dagger]

Wtf happened to his pc

[lapis raven]

not kyoshiro subsciber smh

[dusty dagger]

My bad

[lapis raven]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxQm8dVvVAF9ZwfoyphL3in6c2yi_szuCA

[dusty dagger]

Aw heck

[cunning gull]

ah thats unfortunate
hopefully he enjoys his break and feels better..

[lapis raven]

sponsor me new pc first tho cay

ideally in the hyte sui pc case

[dusty dagger]

No

I can't even sponsor myself

[lapis raven]

my birthday was 4 months ago tho u dint get me a new pc for my birthday 😔

[weak drum]

happi bday

[dusty dagger]

ok

[last rapids]

i have so much to say but this is not the place

[lapis raven]

LOL

SHUT UP HAHAHAHA

[last rapids]

[lapis raven]

https://medal.tv/clips/kWXZJfpvPv1MLW5Au

fair warning, ive got no clue what im doing with cora rn tbh, im just ooga boogaing most of it

can do a few more basics at 0:59 before the SO to pad more damage

[cunning gull]

tyyy i can only try tomorrow bc im tired now, but i really appreciate it!!

[tepid silo]

What am I missing? My SO is ending the frame I press ult

[mortal jetty]

This is a high fps tech

More like 200+

[tepid silo]

oh it requires uncapping framerate

[thick aspen]

nah

but ofc easier

[mortal jetty]

Is the tech even worth it if you are missing crazy damage?

Cora techs feel like scam

[thick aspen]

if u are gonna do full basic sequence after ao anyway then i think its damage positive

but who know

i only played couple runs

[last rapids]

its very situational

but works really well

you can do it and cut the long ult or the opposite or do both or do neither or do jumpA here and there etc

[thick aspen]

ofc it has to be your last ao in the run cause it will heck your regen for hte next

[last rapids]

nah, i split them in two

you can just finish AO super early or do whatever combos

[mortal jetty]

Doable on 120fps?

[last rapids]

because like if you do 4 in a row its kinda shit to pull off on this boss in the first place

or 3 even

[mortal jetty]

I mean the breath shit tech

[last rapids]

the less you do at once the better

breath doable, A jump also doable

had no problems

[thick aspen]

i mean the reduced ao cd for ending early

[last rapids]

tbh never had problems with cd this team

this ao is kinda stupid

whatever i do its already up

imagine if we could skip the entire vita cinematic though..

what a waste to lose 18 pts there

[thick aspen]

just wait for new valk to replace vita

[last rapids]

no

my ss+3 will demote to s0+1

i rather we all play slow

[primal trail]

if no helia, then who can i use in dragoralie team?

[half hatch]

vita, HoFI + dkey, Vbm

any of the above will work

[willow herald]

FDD replace anyone in the LOA comps?

Or is it still just generally Vita/Kiana

[half hatch]

vita

[half hatch]

also it's not really generally vita/kiana, vita isnt a good dudu support and PS situational want's paws > fws

[willow herald]

So not Vita FDD together?

[half hatch]

until now we haven't had any boss that want's that yet, i could imagine it being situational and niche but it's not the standard comp no

[willow herald]

Ic ic

So something more like FDD and BDS then?

[tropic linden]

Should I get Miss Pink Elf? I can make the recommended team in the guide (her, Herrscher of sentience and Starlit Astrologos) but I don't have any of their S rank weapons so idk if I should

[half hatch]

who's bds ?

[willow herald]

Ba-dum

[half hatch]

when getting valks from war treasury you mainly do it for the crystals in ER an unguarded MPE team with a already outdated team won't really do a lot

also don't rely on hoyo recommendations most of the time they are either compeltly or wrong or outdated, in this case it's really outdated

[tropic linden]

Should I focus on a Vita team then? I don't have her S rank weapon but I have her best stigmata set

[half hatch]

depends on who's the dps and the boss but shouldnt be too bad

[tropic linden]

Here's my characters rn, I don't have a lot because I'm too unlucky

[half hatch]

stigmata set's are craftable so that's the baseline and you don't really want to pull a valk without their weapon, if your on a new acc you should be able to get fdd and her weapon during the patch

[half hatch]

you don't really want to rely on luck that's why you always plan for the worst outcome, for now you can use vita + vbm + vbs, vbs is obtainable form the asterite shop

[tropic linden]

Do you think I should continue on this account or make a completely new one? I never knew this game was so complicated 😭

[mortal jetty]

They work perfectly on hos bleed weather + counter type

Best team sus vita fdd

[half hatch]

time for that boss to run then

[half hatch]

depends on how old the account is but if you don't have the starter manual anymore it's prob better yeah

[tropic linden]

Im level 65 and made the account in 2021-23

|| And in the new acc should I save for the upcoming Elysia unit? ||

[half hatch]

yeah a new account should be better

[tropic linden]

Maybe that way I can get enough for weapon and battlesuit

[half hatch]

1. that's CN so please spoiler that
2. we dont know anything official about 8.5 yet
3. no you want to get the debut valk of this patch + her weapon, beginners can afford a valk + weapon 2 patches b2b

[tropic linden]

So should I skip the current Coralie and wait for the next banner?

[half hatch]

no coralie is the debut valk of this patch get her

[tropic linden]

I'll try to get her then

Considering my luck I have some doubts tho

[half hatch]

beginner income is so high you can easily guarantee her + her weapon

we don't really give recommendations based on luck but rather expect the worst outcome

[tropic linden]

Dumb question but does the game have a 50/50 system like other hoyo games

I somehow forgot

[half hatch]

nope

[lapis raven]

abyss too easy give me a harder challenge please

[vernal terrace]

[mortal jetty]

Bro is malding in sinful

[willow herald]

So does FDD count as melee or ranged

[vernal terrace]

Neither

[half hatch]

her dmg count's as neither

[vernal terrace]

She's identical to PS

[lapis raven]

how is it malding if its only one rot

PensiveWarp

half a rot even

[willow herald]

[mortal jetty]

What are you doing in sinful tho

[willow herald]

Where does it even say that btw

I can never find where they tell you if a valk is melee or ranged

[half hatch]

in her kit probably her passives

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[half hatch]

because they don't

a valk also isnt completly ranged or meele it's mostly based on the animation

[vernal terrace]

It's the same wording for PS' though PS is bleed while FDD is ignite

[quasi pier]

ignite and bleed are neither melee or ranged

[half hatch]

for example vitas normal form is meele while her ult form is ranged but her mech punch is meele again

[vernal terrace]

Main passive

[vernal terrace]

Bleed does have one extra where it can't crit

[half hatch]

bleed can't crit that one attack of sus is just not considered bleed dmg

same as fdd both of their stellar assaults aren't bleed/ignite

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

Plus random crits with Heavenly Link

[formal wigeon]

if they somehow made a phys ignite valk they'd have to add that line

[vernal terrace]

Phys ignite-

[crude cloak]

Who knows, maybe Ignite can crit

[vernal terrace]

[formal wigeon]

bleed could be not phys so who the hell knows

[crude cloak]

ig DoT would be critting in that case too, so nvm

[vernal terrace]

[tired swallow]

what's the fastest way to grind these?

[eager smelt]

craft bounty weapons

[waxen nova]

I can’t find out who “lv” is😭 sorry pls help

[mint plover]

!faq glossary

[night parcel]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[mint plover]

And

Lv is lunar vow

Adult vampire teri

[tired swallow]

thank you!

[crude cloak]

The cheapest one is 3rd Sacred Relic btw

But you can craft some others for collection points

[tired swallow]

my gratitude

[pale musk]

what's the most valuable item in the shop? I'm missing xuanyan sword , SoE and Fenguan down (though I got a box for it) so it's between the equipment supply cards or the dk box - but that's just my opinion

[vernal terrace]

XY sword

Oh wait-

Yeah DKey box would be

[crude cloak]

You have a box for FHD specifically?

Or for all 3 you've listed

[formal wigeon]

are those cards for +1 synergy on any weap ?

[crude cloak]

Any non-dkey weap that alr exists

[vernal terrace]

Sena up to FDD

[formal wigeon]

oh non dkey

[vernal terrace]

And yeah non dkey

So no waxing and flawless

[pale musk]

essentially just FHD

[crude cloak]

Ah, ye, only farmables there

Yeah, dkey box it is

[vernal terrace]

XY sword

[crude cloak]

Uh huh

[vernal terrace]

Also

How old is the DKey anyways?

[pale musk]

Plus I already have them. And I’ve been doing fine without using reroll devices

[crude cloak]

But you did say that you don't have FHD

Or do you wanna get that from BP and keep the rerollers for now

[pale musk]

People suggested I keep the rerolls so I’ve been waiting on it.

What’s more likely to be put into BP first, SoE or Xuanyan sword?

[eager smelt]

soe

u could just keep the box tho

u dont mald much anyways

that 10 atk wont save ur life

[pale musk]

Ok thank you.

#💁gameplay-help message btw, what’s your opinion on this? Like, which support do you think I should use?

[leaden pumice]

Hi, I just finished || Perception's boss fight (was pretty damn good) ||
I don't see anything on my quests list aside from side quests
To continue with the story am I supposed to use the switch chapter thing or i'm supposed to do something else first?

[eager smelt]

i havent even finished the tutorial yet

[eager smelt]

theres a button on the top right

that should give the next mini arc

outside of the quest page

[leaden pumice]

Uhhh which button?

[vernal terrace]

Still in the chapter 1-3 area

[eager smelt]

then go to past events

[leaden pumice]

bitterness for a sleepwaker button?

[vernal terrace]

No

[leaden pumice]

oh

[half hatch]

okay from my experience she's only really worth it to swap in for stellar drain due to multiple reasons

• she can't ult consistently which and said ult is required for 1 non AR ele buff she has
• she takes way too long and what she provides isnt enough to justify that time
  you were also interested in a rotation no ?

[leaden pumice]

I should go through all these?

[eager smelt]

from the bottom up

[leaden pumice]

Oh alright i get it now
thank you very much!

[willow wedge]

Yesss

I don't know how to use her lol she's lvl 3 so rotation would be great to know

[half hatch]

actually when testing it a bit more maintaining her buffs isnt that bad since when you refresh corelies buffs fdd's switch cd isnt completely reset yet and you can fill that time with reapplying VBs buffs which then also last in SO which is pretty nice. I'll test a bit more and report back with a rotation for you then

[willow wedge]

This is so nice of you, thank you so much

[half hatch]

np

[crude cloak]

Wdym it's not reset yet, it's 4 secs

[half hatch]

seems like i reapplied vbms buffs in less than that

[crude cloak]

Is your VBm's QTE on

[half hatch]

nope

[crude cloak]

Well, ofc it doesn't take the entirety of 4 secs (more like 2.5), but Helia's rot is still too long, no?
Well, I'll leave it to you to test ofc, but I really don't think it's the play

[half hatch]

it's a bit hard to measure since i dont have dps test dummies but when testing an opener rot i dealt slightly more dmg when also doing helia rot + ult, thought when i think about it idk if it's worth it without her being able to ult

[crude cloak]

With the exact same rot length?

The ult takes a lot of time too

[half hatch]

yeah those 4 ari you get from ult are exactly what you're missing after fdd's stellar drain and that ele vuln seems to be pretty nice in SO

iirc it was 4

3 actually

could be less worth it when Vbs is only A or S rank idk how high that buff is at that rank

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/kYR6u3-TW1s I couldn't find a good ref for my team so I made my own, any thoughts on it?

[crude cloak]

Try Euphie's opener

And maybe do PAWS -> Vita on the second supp sequence too, that way Vita's damage will be buffed

[simple fractal]

yeah PAWS into vita sounds better

also vita kick animation thing is a bit of a waste of time

i would just do exactly what teammate said

and pull SS chenxue

(don't actually)

[crude cloak]

Vita's non-mech sequence could be worth

[eager smelt]

why are u cancelling ring early

[eager smelt]

wrong op
will have no energy

[simple fractal]

does euphie use chenxue?

[crude cloak]

Oh, nvm, he doesn't do Vita's sequence

[stiff wigeon]

I got the sword the gun and the fists what is the last dkey??

And where do i get it?

[crude cloak]

Ye, I just meant starting with PAWS

[simple fractal]

there are so many dkeys

[simple fractal]

way more than sword gun and fists
maybe youre talking about the base dkeys? in which case you still have PoS and SoE to get

[simple fractal]

PoS

[eager smelt]

why would they not

[crude cloak]

Craft Pledge of Sakura in Foundry

[eager smelt]

the only one who even uses ds is me smh

[crude cloak]

Waiting for the ref

[simple fractal]

i dont know, i dont keep up with what euphie uses or pulls

[crude cloak]

Don't forget to tune it afterwards in the Divine Key menu

[eager smelt]

coralie is simple just make ur own

[crude cloak]

idk whether 768 is a good score or not

I don't think it is

[stiff wigeon]

Bruh no mats

[crude cloak]

Get them, no other way

It's not urgent anyway

[stiff wigeon]

If i already have thelema i would use bp to buy it but her skins are too good not to get her when she shows up at bp

[crude cloak]

Getting PoS from there is a massive waste of balls

You should be getting non-craftable dkeys there

[stiff wigeon]

I wanted to have hof dkey but they dont have it there

[crude cloak]

Like Twins of Eden or Abyss Flower

[quasi pier]

because it's too new

[stiff wigeon]

Another 2 updates maybe?

[crude cloak]

Not even close

[stiff wigeon]

Damn half a year lets go

[crude cloak]

They just added HoFi's old gear there

Check the gap between that and her new set

(6.4 and 7.8)

[stiff wigeon]

If so then whats the chances thelema comes next patch

[crude cloak]

Ah, right, you're buying BPs, mb

Well, still not very soon, close to a year

[crude cloak]

Very high

Could be Lantern though

[stiff wigeon]

I hope not

[pale musk]

Short answer: I sampled from this while not directly copying it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8voYmWuEaOk&feature=youtu.be

Long answer: I assumed ending it early gives me more ARI, so I can get to my 2nd SO faster. In addition, so I wouldn’t over damage on my 2nd SO - and do something like kill Benares before the big ult (thing she does that ends SO).

[pale musk]

Ok.
Strange, I would have assumed Vita’s damage was bigger in that instance than Helia’s.

[crude cloak]

Yes, Vita's damage is bigger, that's why you wanna buff it

[half hatch]

Due to discord's character per message cap i needed to post the rotation guide again though i probably still replied to your message

whoops this is longer than i thought

[open bone]

Does anyone have a reference for FDD / Paws / VBM? I cruised through this abyss easily but I have no idea what I was doing with her

[dusty dagger]

Wtf

[buoyant current]

Is there anything I could do to improve my rotation?

[dusty dagger]

Vita WA too slow

[fierce crypt]

Hard bracket

[fair oyster]

more damage since you can do extra weapon activate after the ultimate, but it will consume a little bit more time than not cancelling it. But yea overall is you will get more dmg

[simple fractal]

swap and transform to vita immediately, then swap off and use PAWS WA as boss spawns
PAWS ult into vita QTE fill bar combo
FDD sequence

this way vita should be buffed by PAWS and do more damage

oh wait its SS chenxue

[eager smelt]

that doesnt sound right

[vernal terrace]

PAWS WA?

[simple fractal]

you dont even have to use vita in the beginning

[half hatch]

you dont need paws WA

[simple fractal]

just do PAWS into coralie and you can insta ring

[half hatch]

you can just insta ult

[simple fractal]

no need for vita's slow ass sequence

[simple fractal]

her ult only costs 90 when shes not leader?

[eager smelt]

she has 100 sp

[simple fractal]

oh i didnt know that

[vernal terrace]

Did that rot also with FDD, PAWS, VBm
PAWS Ult > Qte FDD WA for insta ring

[half hatch]

when fdd is the leader paws has + 10 initial sp

[simple fractal]

start with PAWS ult into coralie, do sequence to gain enhWA into ult into SO

[simple fractal]

sp you mean?

[half hatch]

yeah sry

i'm too used to initial ari

[simple fractal]

they really are made for each other lmaoo

[crude cloak]

I think this could be worth pinning in #👶beginner-help if you clean it up and ideally double check the rot

[eager smelt]

waiting for the inevitable "what does wa mean"

[crude cloak]

It'll be followed by the inevitable !faq glossary

[crude cloak]

By the last part I mean the VBs part specifically

Are you 1000% certain that her rot is actually worth doing?

[buoyant current]

do I stay on coralie the whole time after her SO? my clear time is lower not using vita

[crude cloak]

Keep in mind that peeps won't have anything better than Roald or Glut FHM on her

[half hatch]

both are gearless lol

vbm has her weapon but that's it

i didnt have any good cope stigs

[crude cloak]

I'd defo try with Tsio on Coralie then

Could tip the scale

[simple fractal]

idk what to do after SO that's why i didn't say anything

[half hatch]

from the tests i did it was mostly worth it for stellar drain

[simple fractal]

you'll likely have to switch off of FDD after SO eventually tho, vita and PAWS buffs don't last forever

[half hatch]

and regarding the buff refresh before SO there it was about the same, you could do some more cora rots but dealt less dmg in SO so you endedn up at ~the same HP left on benares

[crude cloak]

Yes, you reach SO faster, but maybe it's just better to keep DPSing in these couple of secs you are saving

[half hatch]

hm ig i'll try it with vbs gluttony t and fhm mb Vbs roald TMB

maybe also vbm 4/4 vbs glut T fhm mb

god i wish i would've done this in beta

this would make everything 3x easier

[elfin parrot]

something else i think is worth considering esp if there's not too big of a difference is these new players will need to transition to proper and modern teams eventually

[simple fractal]

how long will it take to gain 24 pulls with monthly

[elfin parrot]

while i do think a few notes can be made if a technical but deviant ideal exists, a slightly slower but more typical rotation may be worth keeping to help fresh players get an idea of more general gameplay and transition to later teams more easily

[elfin parrot]

couldn't you math this yourself

[simple fractal]

how

[elfin parrot]

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

i'm not going to know how far in you already are of the monthly. The monthly distribution isn't equal throughout

and keep in mind of current event incomes too

[simple fractal]

i don't have any one-time sources that aren't p1 story or events and i'm not willing to do those

[elfin parrot]

ok then account for that

any random person seeing that may have not have known and would've included it without you knowing

you can even track it all on a spreadsheet

but at this point you're a capable enough player to track your own sources and figure out a precise answer that fits you on your own

[simple fractal]

how do i calculate it tho

[elfin parrot]

you just add all your anticipated future sources?

[open bone]

Depends on details but some time between the 4th and 7th of september

I would guess

[elfin parrot]

i'm not saying to use a single formula or method

[simple fractal]

this is too much math i can feel my brain already beginning to explode

[open bone]

maybe as soon as 2nd

[elfin parrot]

there hasn't been any actual math from me tbh

[simple fractal]

my card has 29 or 28 days left

i could try the calculator hold on

[open bone]

probably 4-7th then

wait it might be sooner because we have 5 cards coming up soon

[simple fractal]

its for wp banner not valk banner

[elfin parrot]

anyway you know how much crystals you would get from various future sources

so let's say tomorrow you can get 40 from dailies

and another 40 after that

[open bone]

Ah then yeah somewhere in the 4th to 7th range still

[simple fractal]

i might just have to grind story because i kinda wanna have fdd weap like now

who topscores flux lantern? still PS?

[crude cloak]

Yes

[simple fractal]

ughhh

how will paws fdd fws compare

[crude cloak]

Should be PS FDD Badum now

[open bone]

so it's gonna be 2-2.5 weeks if u dont grind story. Every 10? story missions should take a day off I think? Or actually fewer since there's also bonus crystals from stars

[crude cloak]

Should be fine in RL

The transition's gonna be annoying

[vernal terrace]

PS, FDD, PAWS actually

[elfin parrot]

wyv has a video comparing various support combinations if you want to look at more neutral data

[crude cloak]

Ah, ye, right, forgot that her demej is good

[open bone]

ohey I have bis for next abyss, neat

[vernal terrace]

Badum would be used on Bleed HoC
Though unlikely they'll rerun her

[simple fractal]

badum stonks dropping

[vernal terrace]

Not really

[elfin parrot]

but in general i don't expect any support combination (unless it's vbm/vbs. vbm for fdd sounds possibly solid depending on the fight though) to by default fail of retaining RL or below unless the fight has a gimmick for a specific one

[crude cloak]

Quite solid actually iirc

[vernal terrace]

All three have Heavenly Shift

[open bone]

also non abyss q, can someone help me figure out what I can cope SS assaka with? I want to hit 17% this week since I'm barely behind BIS on the SSS bosses but I am taking way too long to kill it with whatever I bring, might just be a skill issue tho since I'm not good at using senti

all my p2s are locked

[simple fractal]

kinda cooked broski you can try SI TA RC

[half hatch]

yeah okay i think the stigs tipped the scale

the first one is with refreshing vbs every time you also refresh vbm buffs and the second one is only vbm, stigs are vbm glut t fhm mb, roald tmb, though the fight is quite lengthy so idk how this translates into dps i just fought 2 minutes with both and both did 2 SOs though the run where i active vbs buffs was about to enter SO with vbs ult buffs so i'm still a bit conlflicated if that 3rd SO would tip the scale again

[open bone]

hmm, 25k. Could be worse ig, ty

[half hatch]

atp i could try who clears faster

yeah okay idt it can clear, benares interupting supports doesnt make this easier

tbh i'm still a bit conflicted because of the things i already mentioned in my message above and the introduction to the general gameplay loop, i can imagine that the diff will also be a bit bigger for beginners because their VBs isnt SSS and iirc the buffs she gives fdd scale with that, i appreciate any second thoughts if i should change the rot or keep it that way

[stiff wigeon]

Overall wise / meta wise

Is dreamseeker SS or Chenxue S better in abyss?

[open bone]

Chenxue S is afaik slightly better for GOI / ROO but it's fairly close because most of Chenxue's value is at SS

especially outside of nirv

[modern yew]

Chenxue is better, but the diffrence is negliable outside of the highest abyss bracket

[stiff wigeon]

Alright thanks alot

[vernal terrace]

Did try SS DS (even though I have S Chenxue)
Not really better

[waxen nova]

Ty, I sadly lack both of them💔

[stiff wigeon]

Getting chenxue cause her design is peak

[half hatch]

In regards to it being pinned should I /a Prof write a message linking to this guide or should I just repost it in beginner help and write a " click here for a beginner fdd team guide"

I also think I'll change the rot though as mentioned I'd appreciate some second thoughts

[crude cloak]

Well, it will just be included in the pin wall, so neither

[half hatch]

Yeah sounds good

[open bone]

What’s the difference you’re thinking of checking, cope gear vbm + cope gear vbs, whether it’s worth going vbs or not? I could try a comparison as well but I’d like to make sure I’m testing the right thing

[half hatch]

Yeah

[open bone]

Okay on testing with cope gear I got about very similar results for each rot

But the best seemed to be going VBS exactly once to fire off her ult at the start before SO

And then never again

Followed by never going her, followed by going to her every time

The first two rots I was using SSS VBM with level 50 weapon, ogier + 2x Fhm, and SS2 VBS with Gluttony T and 2x cope self damage; third rot I put the Fu Hua Musician on VBS because she was consistently coming in to set the buffs and gave coralie wang zhaojun

Was about 10 points difference in a3 from best to worst though and some of that might have been my imperfect execution since I wasn’t balding for any non obvious mistakes

I expect if VBS is less built going her is worse because she gives fewer buffs per time spent

[half hatch]

Yeah pretty similar results though I think I'll include the opener with her Ult and after that just never swap to her again

after testing it myself i'll prob just stick with not switching her in completly

got worse results with the opener though as you said it's prob not that big of a differnce between the rots

[cunning gull]

is ur vbs run using any set?

[open bone]

Mine or mango’s?

[cunning gull]

mango's since i saw the long rot msg just now

[half hatch]

on the run i recorded no, on my more recent tests roald 3pc

[spiral raven]

what gear do u have for senti prommy pe

[open bone]

Only RC and HoV have their weapon, everyone else is coping. I can give one of them level 50 gloves of Taixuan and the other would be getting nebs or white star banisher. Paladinus has only plasma lance. In terms of dps gear for those guys I have overtime, Marco Polo, Elizabeth Bathory, Peary, and Attila B, and in terms of support gear unlocked I only really have ogier and overtime

[finite barn]

i mean cosmic duality is senti's bis in most situations

[open bone]

Oh it is, I thought she wanted like brick

[finite barn]

only for dps

promy senti pe team wouldn't be senti dps

[open bone]

In that case I have nebs but it’s only level 35 and promy would have tai xuan l50

[spiral raven]

cosmic duality or dos is dependent on rot

for ma u want dos as support

actually another weap would be the one that buffs img dmg, but anyways

[spiral raven]

i see what u got here

[finite barn]

that one's pretty niche and definitely not a consideration for this level of gear

[spiral raven]

what im just listing what u can bring, and also theres carole sig now that i rmb

[mortal jetty]

It also depend on your hos rank

Sss hos need carole weapon or dos

And how much rot you are doing

[finite barn]

idk i dont think ive ever seen non-cosmic on low rank refs, but tbf its also been a while

[open bone]

I haven’t learned Senti’s rot yet but if there’s a reference or list I could spend the time to learn it. In any case my senti is S, I’m still working on unlocking WT valks

[mortal jetty]

https://youtu.be/qcNBJzGSFzg?si=xVMsPhZFbhj7kHD9

[finite barn]

i mean the standard rot for promy senti PE is like, senti wep combo x2 promy ult wep senti ult PE dps stuff

[mortal jetty]

In RL or ago dos should be enough

[finite barn]

which PE dps stuffs you do depends on how much damage you need

[open bone]

This is for SS MA

[finite barn]

when i use that team on SS bosses i do PE qte switch form+catch the SP pack ult for a mostly brainless 620 but 1) thats probably not the optimal score the team could get and 2) ive got full gear so it probably wont work for you

[mortal jetty]

https://youtu.be/0F7pmMy4JJg?si=h4reGlCr17qdKmRZ

[finite barn]

i forgot the major important bit here which is senti ult lmao

idk how i missed that in my initial typing

[open bone]

Thanks. That looks like wep basic attack sequence evade basic attacks ult?

[mortal jetty]

https://youtu.be/CzYximTqOY4?si=p806-W5X4zCQ0qmv

[mortal jetty]

Hos WA -> carole ult-> griseo WA ult-> hos qte + quick chain combo+ pause for sp pack+ ult

[finite barn]

i highly doubt any of these are going to be reproduceable at that level of gear

[exotic nacelle]

how come i'm not able to clear assaka in 0 sec with Luna

[spiral raven]

did u break hand

[simple fractal]

you can bypass breaking hand if you don't target it, but that's kinda RNG and will take some resetting

[exotic nacelle]

i think so, but the timer always goes down before i'm able to finish luna qte

unless you're supposed to beat it while qte'ing?

[simple fractal]

are you doing her combo? if so don't. skip right to WA
what team is this?

[exotic nacelle]

Griseo, Carol, Luna

[simple fractal]

send rot

you should be able to do it with just CE and LV

[exotic nacelle]

switch to Carol > ult + elf ult > Griseo WA & ult > Luna qte then wa

[simple fractal]

send a video

[half hatch]

I'm sorry that i'll have to flood chat again i just hit the character per message limit so i need to divide the message just gimme 20 secs and i should be done

[simple fractal]

gulp

[half hatch]

Budget FDD rotation

• I want to address that this team isn't played like the average endgame team, we never switch to VBs since the buffs she provides don't justify the time she needs for her rotation, she's only here to activate a passive from FDD's kit which provides a nice damage buff. Normal teams would rotate between both supports and the DPS to ideally never let any buffs run out while the DPS is still dealing damage. If you want to see how a rotation which includes VBs activating her buffs would look like to get a general idea about the normal gameplay loop refer to the second video linked. Do note that from our test just leaving VBs off field is better.
• This is an extremely budget team, don't expect it to perform extremely well, but it will be enough until you get better units.
• If you don't understand what each animation/action is, review the Valk tutorial.

Before the fight

• Make FDD the leader

• Turn off VBm's QTE

• At the start of the fight, press VBm wa 2x, then shortly before the boss spawns, jump -> basic attack that hits the boss so that you generate a dot above Coralie's HP bar, then press WA, which consumes the dot and debuffs the enemy (this specific attack also restores ARI if stellar drain is available).

• fdd qte

• WA

• ult

• BA x 4

• WA

• Ult

• repeat this until SO is ready

• Press SO

• Hold the button on the screen until it disappears.

• BA x 3

• WA

• BA x 4

• WA

• Ult, hold the ult button until the button disappears.

• BA x4

• WA

• ult

• you should be able to do this 2 times until vbm's buffs run out

• Swap to vbm

• basic attack so that you slam onto the ground

• WA

• FDD is still on switch CD, though it's a bit shorter since Vbm consumed stellar drain 1-2 WAs should be enough to trigger FDD's qte

• fdd qte

• BA x 4

• WA

• Ult

• Repeat until Vbm's and are about to run out.

• Swap to Vbm

• Basic attack

• WA

• fdd's switch CD isnt ready yet, cast WAs unti it's ready

• fdd qte and repeat her normal sequence until SO is ready

• Press SO

• do her SO rotation

• repeat the same things you did after your first SO

Example video of the rot above
https://youtu.be/V0FJu_KYGTU

Rotation including VBs activating her buffs:
https://youtu.be/sDplkZK-WU4?si=pSCPVJOq0hBUaj8_

this should be it

[simple fractal]

waow beeg wall

i love how the HP bar literally does not move

[cunning gull]

jk tho, kudos for the format and explanation, mango!

[neon narwhal]

[exotic nacelle]

ah nvm i'm dumb, it's cause i was doing her combo too

[mortal jetty]

Good job super prof mango

[simple fractal]

lols

[half hatch]

i'll never do this shit on live server again, i need to do something like this in beta with test dummies

[exotic nacelle]

i didn't even know you could skip that until now lmao

[half hatch]

figuring out which rot had the highest dps was the worst

[open bone]

Mood

[exotic nacelle]

thanks

[simple fractal]

ofc!!

[mortal jetty]

Wdym...this is what I do every cycle in abyss

[simple fractal]

i wonder if i applied for prof that i'd actually get accepted

[half hatch]

i just wait for ref and then adjust for my needs

or i actually mald if i'm in RL and play cope teams cuz shit's fun

[mortal jetty]

You promoted to super prof but you just demoted again

Be the ref

[half hatch]

@crude cloak rewrote the guide a bit if there are any nitpicks feel free

[simple fractal]

am i witnessing a pin in beginner help

happenning in real time

[half hatch]

this applies to anyone else if if there are any nitpicks idm any

[half hatch]

maybe we'll see

[vernal terrace]

[finite barn]

anyways yeah general senti support rot with nebs/cosmic is you start on her, evade to spawn her clone, use her weapon active, do one of her combos to pop the clone (usually chain or sword, which one depends on stuff that i dont actually understand oops), do another combo if you need to for farming sp (in sustained mobbing situations you pretty much always do this because you'll need more than one rot but for bosses usually you dont so you can skip if you have enough sp), qte in the other support to do their things, swap back to senti and ult, swap in the dps to dps

[half hatch]

i mean i still had some fun so maybe i'll just make one for a debut valk if i feel like it

though tbf fdd is a special case

[finite barn]

obviously for MA things can change drastically for speed reasons but thats the baseline general thing, you can consider most of senti's first field appearance to be sp farming (even tho there ARE buffs/debuffs being applied during it and also time fracture stuff) and the second field appearance is the actual Big Important Bit (it applies all the big ult buffs/debuffs you want your dps to dps with)

[half hatch]

most of the time we just spam vbm rc/ta

[mortal jetty]

I am waiting for your nirvana own ref prolao

[half hatch]

watch me clear with that team with like 001 score

[mortal jetty]

[vernal terrace]

[half hatch]

i mean i got his hp halfway down at 600 points

it should be possible

[simple fractal]

is there an estimation of how many xtals exploring will get you

[cunning gull]

new mimi vid idea

[half hatch]

too good there's one actual support in the team

[cunning gull]

what if vbm goes gearless

[vernal terrace]

FDD, Sparkle, VBs

[cunning gull]

no stig default wp

[simple fractal]

mimi quit HI3

[cunning gull]

😭

[vernal terrace]

[mortal jetty]

For real?

[simple fractal]

yes

[willow herald]

So does FDD replace anyone in any comps outside of grail and LOA

[half hatch]

She's also a support for vita dps teams

[plucky gust]

ngl vita just doesn't die.

[willow herald]

Yeah but that's granted

[half hatch]

Though it's situational if Hofi/vbm is the third teammate

[willow herald]

Does she replace anyone in like, WOD or WS teams

[half hatch]

She's still too young to loose her niche, and vita DPS was and is niche

[half hatch]

No because she doesn't have the corresponding tags for those teams

[plucky gust]

when was she first came up? like 2 years ago? or am i just hallucinating?

her longevity pars with a herrscher p1, really.

[willow herald]

RIP

TBH what supports do the WOD valks even want now

I've been using Sena and generally vita

[vernal terrace]

Sena and/or Vita

[plucky gust]

wod is usually thelema and +1, depending on boss.

[weak drum]

barely a year ago

[vernal terrace]

Not really depending on boss
Sena is better than Vita at S0
Though Thelema uses Sena and Vita

[weak drum]

she’s still in her “im usable” phase

[plucky gust]

october 2024 huh. . . then im really hallucinating. . .

[vernal terrace]

Part 2 is 1 and half years old

[weak drum]

a normal p1 support valk lasts for 1.5 years on avg, but this is p2 so imma assume its abit longer than that

[plucky gust]

in my head, the 7 shu introduction was 2 years ago, then last year, they introduced the looping part.

[plucky gust]

ngl i haven't used vita as WOD support. its usually thelema, then sena/lantern/elysia. and this is what i like the least of the AR mechanic, so i barely use them, so yea.

[dark phoenix]

any trick to squeeze in 1 extra WA into FDD astral outburst?

[vernal terrace]

Vita only better really if she's ranked

[dark phoenix]

i skipped 1 bar of dragon breath but doesnt seem to work

[plucky gust]

doesn't all of them?

[weak drum]

isnt working for me either

fdd slams right when so is over

[vernal terrace]

Well yeah-
Vita though needs ranks to be better than Sena in WoD

[cunning gull]

it does have strict timing

[plucky gust]

sure. idrc though, i only play WOD when the boss requires WOD DPS. otherwise, im a LoA guy. LoA is basically what i liked when this game was just started - QTEs. just better. LoA is basically a better World Star/Domain Resonance.

but since i don't spam WoD, i really feel that vita's value is VERY HIGH.

[weak drum]

very high is overselling her abit too much

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

Her value in LoA is kinda low

[weak drum]

she’s decent, its not like she’s a huge huge time waster or anything

[dark phoenix]

i feel like it's frame rate issue, maybe i need 160+ fps

[full trench]

imagine how good vita would be if u could skip stellar shift

[vernal terrace]

[weak drum]

and imagine if you have enough sp everytime you qte in with vita

[plucky gust]

very high in terms of "she can be played here" type. not the best option everytime, but like very flexible

[weak drum]

she’d actually be insane

[weak drum]

so literally every other p2 valks

aside from cora and helia (the A ranks)

[cunning gull]

frame rate does affect it but idk the minimum frame rate to do it.

[solemn tartan]

Afaik can't but if you get ewa prompt at end of so you can chain to ewa outside of so

[weak drum]

probs not 60, i just cant seem to do it with 60

[cunning gull]

i bumped mine to 100 and its a hit or miss

[solemn tartan]

Could be wrong tho

[cunning gull]

i did it, i cant, i did it, now i cant

[willow herald]

I mean yeah but Vita works in like 5 different astral ring styles

[weak drum]

because she’s roo

[willow herald]

Every other P2 valk usually only covers 2 at most

[weak drum]

also they just threw her every single ar type that was available at the time + loa

[weak drum]

(2 rings + loa)

oh and roo my bad

[willow herald]

Not because she's RoO, because she has the astral ring tags to fit into those other teams

[weak drum]

.

also its literally just loa

[willow herald]

FDD is also RoO but she's not gonna fit into a WoD team just cause she doesn't have the tag

[solemn tartan]

Isn't she garbage for goi

[weak drum]

yea bc she doesnt have the ring

[weak drum]

so your point is vita can fit into every current ar

[plucky gust]

this is my point. when dragon coralie came up, and i saw vita again, im like: bro, you're there, again? how many types are you compatible with.

welp, when more units are introduced, shes getting kicked out eventually, but still.

[half hatch]

Yeah GoI really wants the SP regen from symbioses chars

[cunning gull]

so just 3 + being roo so she can be used by roo dps (currently only fdd) + cope option for newer rings if u dont have options

[weak drum]

no way, a roo valk is actually good with another roo valk?? (they literally have a skill where they get a shit ton more dmg when other roo valks are in the team)

[willow herald]

Exactly

[weak drum]

i dont think its 5 ngl, vita in goi is questionable

the one that’s actually crazy is badum

[mortal jetty]

Vita in goi?

[cunning gull]

fdd is very good for goi + loa + is roo so can be used by roo dps (only vita) + cope option for rest like vita

[weak drum]

time waster? hell no
good? yessir
sd? values boosted

[solemn tartan]

I have to keep reminding myself that goi and loa aren't the same lmao

[weak drum]

i got spoiled by loa’s forced qte lmfao

[solemn tartan]

Yea

[weak drum]

i keep on so-ing on paws instead of fdd because “oh i can just switch to her when i so”

[cunning gull]

lmfaoo

[solemn tartan]

I realize need like ss for coralie to have switch reset

[solemn tartan]

Yea...

[cunning gull]

loa fucked my brain bc even with fws dps i just default to qte hold atk ult swap.. wait wait this is fws dps
also forgetting vita's hold atk since its skipped in loa

[solemn tartan]

Lol real

[weak drum]

also vita not getting enough sp without ca in fdd’s team