👶beginner-help

[shadow gyro]

huh what level are you?

maybe you need to progess a bit? tell me your level first

[spare holly]

19 atm

[shadow gyro]

you started just now right? because even if you accidentally made this account a long time ago, the manual can expire

[spare holly]

Yeah i just started

[spare holly]

And how can i get to level 20

[shadow gyro]

your main source of exp would be doing the story chapters

[spare holly]

I cant unlock chapter 3 cos of level requirement

[shadow gyro]

as a last source of verification, you can go to the phone icon on the bottom left and click log in to make sure this account was made today, otherwise you'll have to ask #🔌technical-help in case this is a glitch which is very weird

you're supposed to have a book icon at the bottom of the screen

[spare holly]

Which one do i click heree?

[spare holly]

Which one do i click here?

[abstract sequoia]

the icon only appears after a certain level

[abstract sequoia]

its called Login, you only get it later

[shadow gyro]

huh...

[abstract sequoia]

either way, the starter manual is gone

that sadly happens sometimes

[spare holly]

So, start a new acc. I guess??

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[abstract sequoia]

yea you need to make a new hoyo account

[spare holly]

Thats kinda sad i literally just made this account just now

[shadow gyro]

i mean u can play in a diff server too

[abstract sequoia]

better than realizing months later

[abstract sequoia]

sea only has sea

unless they download the global client

[shadow gyro]

yeah that's what i wanted to say

[abstract sequoia]

global client has the NA and EU regions

I'd stay on SEA if you're really from that region

[shadow gyro]

although, if this acc only got this hi3 acc, u can delete the hoyo account which will delete this hi3 account so you can have your email again, but this won't work if you have other games attached to it that u don't wanna lose..

[abstract sequoia]

that takes time

just salt your email

a guide for that is in the pins

[shadow gyro]

i mean u can change the email later so sure

still did something like that vanishing manual actually happened before to anyone that wasn't a returnee or made the account by accident long ago?

because in that case the manual just expired

[abstract sequoia]

oh in that case

no difference though, just add a dot somewhere between the first part of your email before the @

[abstract sequoia]

see the "Email Salting" part in this
#👶beginner-help message

thats how you can quickly make a new account with the same email

[narrow basin]

should i buy the 10x dorm supply cards for 1500 crystals

or is it a beginner scam

[shadow gyro]

scam

[sweet flax]

dorm banner valks are outdated with no modern day use outside some of them having 1 time crystal sources in elysian realm

[shadow gyro]

only use your crystals on the battlesuit supply and the equipment supply (check the pulling pin)

[sweet flax]

also every dorm banner valk outside dpe is farmable (who will eventually be farmable as well)

[shadow gyro]

she is in the reserve shop so technically all of them are farmable but yeah the point still stand

[narrow basin]

whos dpe

o

[sweet flax]

there's a glossary in pins

but dpe is aponia, more specifically disciplinary perdition

[sick pebble]

is it normal to simp over a game character

[narrow basin]

yes

i mean its 2025

what fragments from the asterite shop should i grind for

[shell basin]

Coralie

If you have paws and no good teammates, you can also consider Boltstorm; Terminal Aide and Reverist Calico are generic supports that are sort of usable, and then chrono Navi will be able to support next patch valk a bit

[sweet flax]

there is also an asterite investment list in pins

[narrow basin]

paws?

[shell basin]

Planar armanant warped spacetime

[sweet flax]

[shell basin]

The current gacha valk

[narrow basin]

oh

i just made an alt. should i spin all on her

[storm lantern]

get her in the discounted 10 pull imo

[quick birch]

do the discounted if you get her get her weapon if you don't get her save for the next valk in 3 weeks

[formal wraith]

which do i pick

[sweet flax]

you'll get them all eventually, ill link you an faq with the preferred order though

[narrow basin]

the banner ends in a week right?

!faq

[lone kindle]

?

[narrow basin]

uh

[lone kindle]

you know faq is a just a comand promt right? its like asking to someone

hey do you.....

[narrow basin]

just testing 😭

[narrow basin]

hm?

[lone kindle]

exactly, thats what you have done with the bot

!faq

[quick birch]

jesus

[lone kindle]

i get a list bcs as a st proff im available to get the FULL faq list

[narrow basin]

bruh

do it again

[lone kindle]

no

[narrow basin]

😔

[lone kindle]

dont want to flood the channel

what do you wish to know?

we're here to help

[narrow basin]

newbie account team

[quick birch]

yes though iirc both valks banners currently end in a week make sure it's the one with the discounted pull

[lone kindle]

as a newbie you really dont get much options to build teams ngl

[lone kindle]

you just ahve to mix whatever you have till you get actual teams

[quick birch]

smh

[narrow basin]

tyy

[dry python]

Dude wtf

[lone kindle]

?

[dry python]

[lone kindle]

still dont know what the problem is

i actually didnt even remember that !faq by itslef gave the full faq list

[dry python]

Faq list big

[ancient needle]

I'm tempted now

[dry python]

Flood help channel

Flood bad

[dry python]

Prof demot any% speedrun wr

[narrow basin]

its not bad if ur actually helping sbd

[lone kindle]

yeah i deleted it bcs of that

[quick birch]

the full faq list is available to anyone in the pins though

[ancient needle]

Listing all the FAQs is defo not helpful unfortunately

[quick birch]

so no reason to flood the chat

[lone kindle]

again, why i deleted it

[ancient needle]

I've heard Sencho deleted the result of the !faq command, am I tripping or is it just a rumor

[dry python]

[lone kindle]

no, i deleted it

[quick birch]

chat so yellow my eyes hurt

[lone kindle]

[quick birch]

LMAO what was it

[lone kindle]

this is getting out of topic, so we better stop flodding

[upbeat egret]

Chat too yellow...my eyes are burning

[sweet flax]

why so much piss color

discord dark mode isnt helping

[lone kindle]

try amoled mode/midnight

works like a charm

[ancient needle]

idk man, I feel like on mobile it makes it worse xdd

[lone kindle]

dunno, i even prefer it over the normal one

[sweet flax]

isnt amoled the dark mode? there's a less darker dark mode?

[ancient needle]

The default is less dark than AMOLED
1 sec

Dark/Midnight

[sweet flax]

o

[lone kindle]

dark is dark

midnight is BLACK

[hoary aspen]

Hello my friends I am a returned player The last time I played was 4 years ago and I have no idea which is better for early game especially since I am a f2p and so far my team is this girl and the other s tier hero and the a tier red hero that uses swords as this stacks bleed and airborne increases dmg of red girl

So can someone help me with which one is better investment for f2p

[lone kindle]

actually it may be better to actually just restart your account

[shell basin]

Yeah everyone there is free

[lone kindle]

theres nothing to save there, and nowdays they give you a lot of freebies as a newbie

[lyric anvil]

SI is free with the starter manual anyways

[hoary aspen]

This is my new account
My old one could not retrieved because I forgot the email

[lone kindle]

oh if its new then just continue with that one

[lyric anvil]

[shell basin]

You’ll want to get coralie and her weapon from doing part 2 story, reverist calico and weapon from starter manual, and then save for the next patch’s gacha batkesuit

[lone kindle]

no

[hoary aspen]

And can I get every honkai for free?

[lone kindle]

dont spend on operators

[crude herald]

Is there a sort of tier list for dps characters? I want to know how many of my battlesuits are relevant

[lone kindle]

only in valks and their sets

[lone kindle]

!faq tierlist

[small willow]

Tier Lists

Be careful, Captain!

⚠️ TIER LISTS ARE NOT VIABLE IN HONKAI IMPACT 3RD.*

If you have seen a tier list, DO NOT BLINDLY INVEST INTO ANYTHING IT CLAIMS IS 'GOOD'.

While some tier lists may reflect the current meta, those characters will not help you to build a competitive account. In Honkai Impact 3rd, we optimally invest in the future meta upon its arrival, as the value of a Valkyrie peaks on her release.

*This FAQ refers to competitive/investment tier lists. Cuteness tier lists and the like are exempt from this, but please do not post tier lists in help channels.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides! + !faq pull and !faq meta

[crude herald]

Thank you <3

[shell basin]

No that’s just me being stupid brained about units I keep switching up battlesuits and operators

But yeah blastmetal + weapon part 2 story and reverist calico from starter should be able to support 8.5 while you are starting out and then you can get ranks from asterite shop, or maybe pick up chronicles Navi or terminal archive for slightly more options

[hoary aspen]

Hmmm I will grind and then after encountering more characters I will check for upcoming meta that I as f2p can get
Is that it?

[shell basin]

And then you’ll get actual meta teams over time

[lone kindle]

yes, backpulling bad

[shell basin]

You should have enough to get almost every new release as an F2P

[lone kindle]

!faq backpulling

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[shell basin]

But it will take you a while to catch up since best teams want three gacha valks

So you’ll be starting to get a full team in 8.7 or so

[lone kindle]

valks*

[shell basin]

Lmao did it again

[hoary aspen]

Ok thanks guys

[crude herald]

If I already got a valkryie and her equipment, should I just save the crystals or try to get more of her fragments?

[ancient needle]

Just save, ranks are only for whales

[lone kindle]

no, just save

[crude herald]

Ahh, ok.

[lone kindle]

ranks are good, but more valks are more usefull

[weary rover]

I want to start playing but spoke to someone on a diff server that said part 1 is garbage, should I skip?

They told me I can start from part 2

[ancient needle]

Opinions about story differ a lot (some peeps are saying that Part 2 is garbage, for example)

The first 3 chapters of Part 2 are fine to do with almost no knowledge of Part 1 (because they're pretty much separate stories until Chapter 3-EX)

Starter Manual forces you to do most (if not all) of Chapter 1 of Part 2 story

But Part 1 story is a good source of EXP and crystals

Essentially both can be done in parallel

[weary rover]

Sounds like a no then😂 I’d rather play for a good story

[ancient needle]

(I'd mostly focus on Part 1 though)

[narrow basin]

will the drop pity reset if the banner reset

[upbeat egret]

Normally not if permanent banner

If adv yes

[narrow basin]

the paws banner

[ancient needle]

The pity will carry over

Both valk and weap

[lone kindle]

depends on what do you call a good story

honkai has a very intricated worldbuilding with extense lore from various media forms

the story is really complex and has a lot of character development

"good story" is subjective

[narrow basin]

!faq ether fuel

how

[sterile river]

Only profs can use faq

[narrow basin]

[quick birch]

You can use discords search function to dig up faqs

Though I don't think theres one for ether fuel

What's the questions then ?

[narrow basin]

whats the use of it besides forging stigmatas

[quick birch]

Nothing really you can use it to buy some crystalytes but that's it

[ancient needle]

Forging some weapons
None other than that

[quick birch]

Actually what's the name for g1-4 materials

Me forgo

[ancient needle]

Crystalytes

[quick birch]

I think I never actually looked up what the name of them is cuz I've never heard that

[ancient needle]

I suggest you check "Mirage Farming" in the pins if you haven't alr btw

[cyan dune]

been a minute since ive played buttypically valks arent worth going for if you cant get her weapon too right?]

[thick bolt]

that is one factor yes

[cyan dune]

wdym one factor?

[thick bolt]

edge cases exist but most of the time yeah, no weap = skip

[cyan dune]

is the new helia an edge casee?

[thick bolt]

nope

[upper oracle]

is vita worth backpull if i have kiana with dkey 4/4

[thick bolt]

Nope, rather you pull next patch valk

|| also RoO and has breach as well as Grail ring support ||

[upper oracle]

||RoO?||

[upper oracle]

whos she good with/who does she need?

[thick bolt]

rite of oblivion, vita and hofi dkey ring

[upper oracle]

o

wait wdym dkey ring

[thick bolt]

|| RoO ignite dps, breach support. Has support tags for Law of ascension and grail of infinitude valks, just set a filter in valk list and any that show up use her.
Apart from that being RoO and breach means she's a better Coralie in terms of universal p2 support, same thing vita offers ||

[thick bolt]

hofi dkey gives her rite of oblivion ring type, it's the reason she's used in vita dps

[upper oracle]

ah okok

[upper oracle]

man im so behind i left for a bit and theres so many new terms

whats a ||law of ascension/grain of infinitude valks||

[thick bolt]

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[thick bolt]

super qte and ult spam rings

[upper oracle]

[lone crater]

just check the teams used to clear w/e content and then copy it

[upbeat egret]

Is it really the best way to learn?

[odd plume]

that is fastest way to do something
if you want to learn, need to read and practice more to understand why they do certain thing

[narrow basin]

is coralie blastmetal free?

i mean i know she is free. but like is she obtainable thru the starter manual

[spiral badge]

i don't recall starter manual but at captain level 30 you should be able to jump to part 2 in the main story and get coralie valk card and her signature weapon from it early

she is also farmable from asterite shop

!faq cof

[small willow]

How to find "Covenant of Finality"

Sorry for the confusion, Captain!

Part 2 of the Main Story will unlock at level 30. Both "Covenant of Finality" and "Genealogical Seat" are part of this storyline.

Main Menu (Bridge) > Attack > Story > Extinguished Starlight and Rekindled Fire > Tides of Time gone by > Play!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lone crater]

perhaps no way to know if it is the best, because you cant really prove it, but having somewhere to start with and then try replicating, and then finding out where went wrong and then seeking help is much more effective imo

esp for the practical needs which is that, most ppl prob just want a decent score to go by

not necessarily aiming for the most optimal or wanting to understand everything in one go

[spiral badge]

there's no single method that will be best for all

but i always generally recommend

• start from in game valk tutorials to get a vague idea of what action relate to which button, their animations, and possible sequences
• look up an optimized reference to see how things are strung together
• give things a try on your own. can even take things step by step and pause throughout an optimized video (edit: ok maybe this caused some confusion. I don't mean to copy the entire video. But just incorporate bits and pieces. Dissect to build understanding )
• review skill descriptions for any specific action you don't understand
• go back and forth a few of the above to reinforce.
• ask others as well especially for subtle aspects you may have missed completely

[upbeat egret]

I think..it's better to try on your own before looking for a ref..
If you are just copying ref , sometime you don't even understand why and for which reason is ref doing thing or that

When you are done with your own tries you can ask for help if you are still lacking knowledge about something

[lone kindle]

You can copy them if you dont know anything but still try to work yourself around

[upbeat egret]

I really don't recommend peeps to follow some ref blind .
This is only my opinion

[lone kindle]

Nah you're right, but till they know their stuff they'll have to do something

[upbeat egret]

Some peeps can not even trying a run without ref and I think it is really sad because when they don't have the right team they are gonna give up although there is another cope team that can still score good

[lone kindle]

Yeah but the only way to learn is to try

[upbeat egret]

Yeah you need to try anyway

[lone crater]

i mean it can go both ways, how do u expect someone to know anything or learn anything by just going in blind

like if someone is incapable of watching ref and or picking anything up from it, note that some refs come with commentary or w/e, then you cant expect this same person to be able to learn anything by going in blind first

[slim blaze]

I see

Maybe i should start making my own refs

Then upload them 1 hr before reset

[upbeat egret]

Do you really need to look some ref to understand the mechanics of a boss?
How are we gonna do if there is no ref anymore? Stop playing?

[solar rivet]

when is herscher of rebirth coming back

[upbeat egret]

I mean if you are a starter players...looking a ref will not really help you because there is a lot of things ( lot of information)that you will not understand

[upbeat egret]

I don't think she will get a rerun soon ... we use her rarely.. once every two patch

[solar rivet]

aw i wanna get her sm

[spiral badge]

I've been on both sides of this fence before. From my experience most people seeking help really just prefer to start with something first rather than being on their own.

At worst people achieve more respectable scores this way rather than doing completely nonsensical sequences.

There can be problems ofc. I do see people copy inflexibly and struggle to break things down to deviate for their own optimum. It's nothing perfect.

There simply isn't going to be a general superior method and if you want to encourage people to work on their own first, you're free to do so. What's most important imo is to provide the variety of what i listed and not so much the strict order,, as well as assessing each person getting help individually

[upbeat egret]

Well there is not only one way to learn...everyone is free to learn how he wants and find the best way to get better

Imo

[spiral badge]

Also btw i did not say to copy. I only said to get an idea of how things are put together. Sometimes i may provide references that don't match the players situation whether it's mismatches in tiers or damage or even provide refs of different cycles

[spiral badge]

I agree overall but you're really focusing on my initial directions of my messages and not my overall points

A lot of what i said weren't meant to be taken strictly but rather flexibly

[upbeat egret]

Don't worry I didn't see it like that tho

[spiral badge]

Hm ok i misunderstood your response then

[upbeat egret]

Dw xD

[spiral badge]

Everyone is free to learn in their own way if they have a preference but also i think a lot of people come in overwhelmed on how to start

We can forget any specific directions. Just pick something to get them started and what is most important is to work alongside them

[upbeat egret]

[lone crater]

its not that u need ref to learn the boss, its that its prob easier if u start with a ref, obvs u cant find ref for everything, esp if u dont even have the team that matches it

like u could say a noob will likely not pick up anything from both the ref or going in blind

theni n that case, what he gets out of is just entirely on how observant he is

[spiral badge]

Yeah it takes a mix overall and everyone is going to be different

[lone crater]

but going with a vid, he sees a particular sequence that may or may not expand his horizon on what he could do

[spiral badge]

Eh it may expand or it may constrain as i was saying earlier

And this is where we step in to gauge

But anyway this goes back to why i try to cover things foundationally and giving excess info even if it sees no purpose or use

[lone crater]

well by expand i do mean it pretty broadly, as in, he knows that another sequence exist, but whether he feels he is constrained to or not, is likely not even the ref's influence, it could be that he is just constrained to w/e he felt natural in the first place

[spiral badge]

Like of PS ba4 extensions me talking about using basics to do it isn't necessarily because i want them to use it, but rather it's so they don't only think about evading to do it.

I'm sure we kinda have the same idea at this point and are just on different pages tbh

And that's ok. It's important we have differences to suit different people asking for help

[lone crater]

i mean, ig im just focused on saying, that ref alone normally does not influence how one person approaches something, it is likely the innate difference that, some people are likely that if they see examples, they treat examples as hard code rules, and then there ppl who's opposite of thatg

[spiral badge]

Sometimes i think people have gotten too stuck on thelema ba3 > wa tap > wa hold sequences because references only do it or list out an arbitrary seq with no explanation

I really wish we have more ref makers like keeby who would divide portions of actions and give a brief explanation

It's a pretty big difference when you're blocking with DK to repeat a reference as opposed to understanding a reference is doing it to farm sp

And with the latter you can start porting it to other scenarios if a similar issue or opportunity comes up

But i ramble

[upbeat egret]

This is only because aaa wa wa hold is the fastest seq

[spiral badge]

I'm sure this is a topic that can extend indefinitely generally but it really boils down to the person being helped and the specific context

[spiral badge]

I mean I'm not asking for an explanation. I understand it perfectly well

But surely you understand how it falls apart when it comes to optimizations such as managing freeze stacks for huodou or needing a slight bit more damage that a slightly slower banquet action can cover?

[upbeat egret]

Yeah I know what you mean

[spiral badge]

Well the elephant example is outburst and canceling your phantom hits

But yeah

[upbeat egret]

Wasn't phantom cancel a bug?

[spiral badge]

I don't need to elaborate on this. I'm just trying to agree with you guys in how pure refs and no understanding has issues

No not really

It's just people going too fast

And sometimes it's fine to cancel the third phantom early if you don't need the damage

[upbeat egret]

[autumn oxide]

all the refs i see just 3a w W in outburst and it irks me LMAO

[spiral badge]

I don't feel anyone explored or stress what to do if thele starts on the ground which is partially why this issue exists too

[autumn oxide]

i usually default to 3a w A anyw

[spiral badge]

Ground A?

[upbeat egret]

Yeah

[autumn oxide]

can probs ask ratrius bout it he cldve some insight

[upbeat egret]

More damage but slow

[spiral badge]

The rise feels so slow yeah. You can't do it too much i think

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[spiral badge]

But idk how it compares to jump A or jump 3a tbh

Which is what i sometimes do

[upbeat egret]

Sometime you prefer speed over damage

[spiral badge]

Well yeah i even said that lol

[upbeat egret]

And since wa hold was giving rime trauma it is perfect on some boss

[spiral badge]

And this is all things we can figure out in the specific moment because we understand it well and aren't blindly copying lol

Yeah

[upbeat egret]

[spiral badge]

Well anyway the overall idea is to promote understanding. A rigid or singular method isn't going to work for everyone. Even refs alone aren't enough.

Hopefully that's enough for closure lmao. I should sleep before i repeat and ramble again

[upbeat egret]

good night prof

[autumn oxide]

see u in 10mins sai

[spiral badge]

Yup

[visual sphinx]

good morning sairaan
[press this to snooze]

[amber finch]

snooze

[narrow basin]

do i get coralie blastmetal to S first or get terminal aide

[shell basin]

What battlesuits do you have and who is she supporting

Do you have other cope supports like reverist calico, or would terminal aide be replacing a blank slot?

Probably coralie

Her S rank is pretty impactful

[tulip sedge]

Hello everyone, today i finally cleared entire hi3 story, and now i want to start my "endgame" journey. Can anyone share some guids which content clear, some craft priorities. And most important, after clearing story i have 61000 crystals, and absolutely 0 characters. Where should i put them?

[shell basin]

For crystals, you should roll Paws + weapon and then wait for next patch to roll the new Valkyrie and their weapon, though it’s possible to justify just waiting right now even with your crystal count if you don’t like paws

Your endgame teams will be the new gacha valks you roll, and then cope supports like Blastmetal (part 2 story and asterite shop) until you have full teams of gacha battlesuits

[tulip sedge]

Yep, i kinda have Coralie, but only a rank and helia without her wep

[shell basin]

Best cope supports depend on what gacha battlesuits you have but for paws it’s Blastmetal > Helia, plus Terminal Aide and Reverist Calico for even more cope

[tulip sedge]

Paws looks good, so maybe i will pull for her and her wep

[quick birch]

didnt mean to send that

ups

[shell basin]

And for next patch it’s Coralie, plus terminal aide / chrono Navi / Reverist calico for cope supports

As potential slot 3s

But obviously if you can get PAWs this patch she can support the next Battlesuit better than the cope options

[tulip sedge]

New coralie and paws doesn't stack?

[shell basin]

They do

Both can support each other.

[tulip sedge]

Oh, then i pull her

And i think i will have enough for new coralie

[shell basin]

You should yeah. Worst case scenario is like 83k crystals for 2 valks + weps but that’s only if you go to hard pity 4 times

Which is quite unlikely

[tulip sedge]

Anyway i will farm some crystals, so even with full hard pity i will have enough

And old Coralie as sup for them?

[shell basin]

You should be able to get paws + weapon and still afford new coralie + weapon day 1

Yeah

[tulip sedge]

Sounds good. Paws with her weapon can clear ER? And should i sit on lvl 80 or pushing forward?

[shell basin]

Paws and her weapon can clear ER. Anyone can rn though

Variable arms makes clearing ER very easy even for really bad ungeared units

But paws should be trivial once you have her weapon and stigmas

[tulip sedge]

I kinda tried it only on HoR, well, it doesn't end well

[shell basin]

Try again but this time you pick the variable arms ticker when you’re selecting bonuses at the start

It gives a lot of passive damage that can let anyone clear as long as they don’t die

[quick birch]

tbh it's a bit debatable if you should pull paws now, you've already missed quite some shill and we generally advise you to pull valks on day 1 to get their full value, though with your crystal count it's a bit of a different story.
Paws advantages would be that she can support the 8.4 valk and vise versa so you'd have a fully functional team next version.
though be aware that the versions after 8.4 are expected to be rather expensive since cn ani normally have a valk + a dkey but you may not be able to fully utilise that dkey if you don't have the valk.

[tulip sedge]

Hmm, its something new? I tried ER in 7.8 if i correct while clearing ER story and can't remember this mod

[shell basin]

Yeah this is just for this patch p much

Normally it’s harder to do ER (but lots of old units can still do it no problem)

[quick birch]

coralie is pretty good in ER but this patch any valk can clear finality because of variable arms

[tulip sedge]

And what about sitting on lvl 80? Or i should push forward. I kinda heard that's after this abyss will be very hard

[shell basin]

I would probably promote soon but maybe not instantly, give yourself a session to get used to the mechanics of your new battlesuits

[narrow basin]

i just started a new account, im lvl 38

i got calico

[shell basin]

Oh then I would definitely focus coralie, she can be a main dps until you roll a gacha Valkyrie

Ans her ranks will be very useful once you do too

[quick birch]

i'd say get terminal aide first tbh

• you get more valks for MA
• and certain stages don't allow p2 valks where you can use TA instead then

you also use TA in coralie DPS teams

[tulip sedge]

And about DK. I heard that's they are very important. Do we have some sort of guide?

[shell basin]

Def arguable

[tulip sedge]

And obtaining characters for dorm buffs

[narrow basin]

akemi how much time did it take u to finish all the story

[shell basin]

Either way you’ll want to get both relatively soon

[tulip sedge]

Ohhh, very long, but I taking it slowly.

But totally worth it

One of the best story i ever seen. Even p2

But i kinda cleared all kolostein , EE, moon, p2 maps.

So if you skip it, it will be much faster

[narrow basin]

u didnt skip anything?

[tulip sedge]

Nah.

[narrow basin]

damnn

[quick birch]

getting dkeys is more of an long term project and there's no real guide to it you just try to get them when you get the chance. Though pulling for any older dkeys isnt recommended anymore

the main ways to obtain dkeys these days are from reserve work or free dkey boxes that hoyo gives out in events, spending events etc. from time to time

[tulip sedge]

And what about craftable dk?

Cross and abyss if i correct.

[quick birch]

pledge of sakura, fenghuang pinions and abyss are craftable,
definitely craft sakura since it unlocks the lightning gene limit
pinions and abyss don't really do anything without their gacha counterpart so they're less of an priority
you can also get oath of judah from the exchange shop which requires weapon resonance which you can obtain by crafting and converting bounty weapons

[tulip sedge]

Yep, does it worth doing bounty weapons and dissamble them, or there is better ways to use them?

And last question. About characters for dorm. Should i invest into them (asterite, or this memory arena currency for old characters)?

[quick birch]

a better way to use bounty weapon ? not really except pledge of sakura which you'd want to tune and turn it into a dkey
regarding you're second question we have a pin for war treasury since you can't really do anything else with Acient willpower/legacy it's fine to spend them on chars, for asterite you can buy those that are in ER after you're done with SSS coralie i'd say

[tulip sedge]

Sorry let's i formulate first question more correctly.
Should i use currency from universal mirage on crafting bounty weapons and dussambling them, or they can be used on something better.

[quick birch]

keep 1200 ether fuel in the tank so if you get lucky while pullling a weapon you can get 2 stigamats + 1 from the box for the full set instantly without pulling, othet than that i'd focus on pledge of sakura first and craft and convert bounty weapons once you're done with that

[tulip sedge]

Okay, thank you very much.

@shell basin thank you too for answers.

[shell basin]

NP

[fervent kettle]

what's the best elf to get generally?

[sweet flax]

the main elfs that see any use right now would be kiaelf or pb however they require 3* to be reliable at all

any reason why you are asking?

[quick birch]

any reason for that question? if it's because of a elf selector box sairaan made a pretty good overview of every elf i can dig it up rq

[fervent kettle]

yup it's the elf selector box

[sweet flax]

do you have any elfs already?

[fervent kettle]

nah

just jingwei and blood embrace

[sweet flax]

mind sending a screenshot of your valk roster?

[fervent kettle]

sure gimme a sec

[sweet flax]

generally speaking though, its better to hold onto the box for now until you find a situation where you can get a 3* (either via shards or another elf box in the future)
rushing a decision right now for 2* ELFs is not necessarily the best decision

dreamseeker is already more than enough for p2 content, and p1 teams arent exactly common right now

[fervent kettle]

mine's an old account so i'm still using p1 teams lol

[sweet flax]

ohhh returnee acc

[quick birch]

#👶beginner-help message sairaan goes into a lot of details here so take your time it may be a bit overhelming

[fervent kettle]

thanks!

[sweet flax]

honestly might still be better to hold onto the box until you see your situation develop later on

[fervent kettle]

i see

if i'm pulling for dragon coralie next patch what are the supports that would go with her? anyone i should start investing in now?

not sure if p1 valks can go tgt with p2 valks tbh

[sweet flax]

well she will only work with p2 valks, thankfully one of the non-cope support options for her will be a free unit, the a rank coralie

new unit will require roo valks (or paws) to support her

the other option will have to be cope, rc should be the beginner option so I guess you can use that unless you get something in the future (since cn is pretty ass without ranks)

[fervent kettle]

i see

are there any ways to get gears for a rank coralie now?

[quick birch]

her weapon is in p2 story and her stigmatas are craftbale though i'd hold on with crafting the stigmatas if you lack prisms

regarding to that what's your prism and ether fuel count ?

[fervent kettle]

2963 ether and 45 prisms

[quick birch]

yeah okay you're stacked on that

i'd still hold off until you actually have the 8.4 valk since if you get really lucky with the weapon you'd need some more ether fuel

[sweet flax]

^

though to be fair even if you had to craft all 3 pieces you'd have enough source prisms to craft tsiolkovsky (not necessarily upgrade to max) which is still better than any other stigmata option

[fervent kettle]

ohh i see

does coralie support p1 valk teams as well?

or is it strictly p2 only

[quick birch]

technically since she gives a debuff but she's not BiS by any means, i assume you haven't really looked into p2 team building yet

[sweet flax]

some buffs can apply to p1 teams, but they are pretty underwhelming in comparison to the proper supports

either way p1 teams are pretty established at this point with no room for changing (unless they release other p2 units like tfm or rs who have portions of their kits dedicated to p1 supporting)

[quick birch]

^ too add onto that another p1 support valk is pretty unlikely since we don't really have any p1 teams left which could benefit from such a valk

[fervent kettle]

yea tbh i don't really know much abt p2 teams the last time i touched this game everything was still p1 lol

[rugged compass]

-# and sci

[sweet flax]

gd is still strong as fuck and iirc preferred

[quick birch]

check out the team building guide at the bottom of the faq

[fervent kettle]

thank you!

[rugged compass]

Doesnt it depend on the scenario?
Or situation

[sweet flax]

it does

just like everything else in this game

[rugged compass]

[frozen crypt]

idk ice could really use a new support

Can't use my aka cuz the support situation is too diabolical

[sweet flax]

ye our p1 ice DPS are unable to be used nowadays

:clueless:

[frozen crypt]

Sad really, I used to barely get AKA to scrape through ice sidestage now I'll probably never see that again

[sweet flax]

mhmm

I still remember when nyx was really good, if we had more modern supports im sure her potential would've been limitless

[hidden cave]

Is there a guide on foundry weapons?

[frozen crypt]

Not really because you shouldn't be crafting them in the first place

We do have a mirage farming guide which includes some weapons

!faq mirage

[small willow]

Universal Mirage

Hi Captain!

See [here](#👶beginner-help message) For the Universal Mirage farming priority list!

Regarding Efficient Ether Fuel Farming (assumes you convert all stones into fuel):

F1: 10 per entry ticket + 0.6000 per 1 TSP
F2: 12 per entry ticket + 0.6333 per 1 TSP
F3: 12 per entry ticket + 0.6428 per 1 TSP
F4: 13 per entry ticket + 0.6500 per 1 TSP
F5: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6666 per 1 TSP
F6: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6700 per 1 TSP - (best efficiency!)
F7: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6600 per 1 TSP

If not using Time Swirl Passes (TSP), F5/6/7 are equal in efficiency.

[frozen crypt]

But the weapons included on there are not forged to be used on valkyries, because foundry weapons are really bad for that purpose

If you decide to forge foundry weapons not on here anyway, leave them at lvl 35

!faq shard

[small willow]

Foundry Weapons

Be careful, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see more information about Foundry Weapons and Honkai Shards.

It is okay to craft Foundry weapons using AE Imaginons, but please do not upgrade them beyond level 35 or upgrade their Sync level.

[hidden cave]

I wanna farm bounty weapons for the resonance, want a particular weapon from exchange shop (I know it's useless, just want it)

[frozen crypt]

Ahhh in that case yeah go to the Oath of Judah section on Mirage priority

[hidden cave]

Nice, thanks!

[frozen crypt]

You can just ignore how it mentions Judah specifically, you can use the same farming method

Out of curiosity what weapon are you wanting and why?

I like old valks so was just wondering if I could help with anything specific regarding the valk you're getting it for

Or if its purely a collection/looks thing

[hidden cave]

Collection thing lol I'm farming for at least 4 for however long it takes, want Haxxor Bunny's, ice Rita's, HoV pistols, and molotov cherry's

I looooove the old valks, I'm ready to waste so many resources building them purely for fun lol

[frozen crypt]

If you need any help feel free to ping me about them

Especially HoV, I have a full vid guide and showcase on her

[sweet flax]

can confirm, lyo is a huge hov simp

[hidden cave]

Thanks so much, do share HoV guide! Would love to see it

[frozen crypt]

!faq hov

[small willow]

Herrscher of the Void

We meet again, human.

Is it worth it to invest in HoV?

Short Answer: No, absolutely not.

Long Answer:

• HoV's maximum potential: [See here](#🎮honkai-chat message)!
  • Full HoV guide for dedicated fans: See here!

[hidden cave]

Thank you @frozen crypt !

[frozen crypt]

Npnp

[quick birch]

holy shit rare HoV guide advertisement

[frozen crypt]

I have all the time in the world to help p1 valk appreciators

[sweet flax]

gotta rack up the subscription numbers after all

[frozen crypt]

Xd

Naww I don't give two shits about my youtube and the guide itself flopped

[sweet flax]

for every 1 new hov player, lyo gets a share of hoyoverse

[hidden cave]

Subscribed regardless 🤗

[frozen crypt]

I don't plan to make any more guides but I am more than happy to share my fossil knowledge

[hidden cave]

Appreciated truly 🙂‍↕️

[river ruin]

So, I'm still in redlotus at the 70-80 tier, but it says I can only retain it if i clear under 120 seconds...and i cleared at 2:11? I noticed the discrepancy last round, too. But i keep retaining it from phase to phase? I'm confused.

[sweet flax]

welcome to time bullshit in hi3
im assuming you were looking at the total time (on the top right) and not the actual combat time on the top middle of your screen

you see, some abilities and mechanics pause the time in the middle, but the time on the top right keeps counting
as long as that time in the middle hasnt exceeded 2 mins then you are fine

[river ruin]

I look forward to not clearing once i make it to 81.

[sweet flax]

how is your valk roster looking like?

as long as you have a decently established account you can defo retain a3 (which is more crystals than masters rl anyways)

[river ruin]

Paws, PS. I can grab 8.4 valk when she hits.

[sweet flax]

perfect

[river ruin]

I assume i have some time before i hit 81 anyway. How big are the exp requirements once you hit 80?

I'm at 79 and a half (or so) right now.

[sweet flax]

you should be 81 pretty soon (1 week tops depending on you)

the exp curve only really becomes unbearable post 81 till 88

[river ruin]

Oof...I know the rewards will be arrround the same/a little lower going into exalted stuff at the level I'm at, but performing badly is gonna feel worse than the loot discrepancy will

[storm lantern]

i want to say 80 to 81 is only 1k exp

[sweet flax]

they lowered it that much?

[storm lantern]

thats what i remember

[sweet flax]

you should be able to retain a3 which is more than you get in redlotus at masters tier

your teams assuming you do get 8.4 is also capable of retaining exalted redlotus

which is a significant boost to your income

[river ruin]

But see,

I'm bad, haha

My score is like...1400 something where i am now

[sweet flax]

Here's the neat part, you are in glb

Unfortunately this region suffers from a lack of hands until you reach nirvana

[river ruin]

I should do the paws tutorial, probably. The team/rotation stuff feels like rocket science/heart surgery/etc.

[sweet flax]

Defo do it

[river ruin]

A lack of hands?

[quick birch]

lack of skill

[sweet flax]

Also I'm assuming your paws and ps have their weapons?

[river ruin]

Yes, they're geared

[sweet flax]

Good ye, youre fine for rl definitely

Just do the valk tutorials to get a basic idea of their kit

If you need specific runs for abyss feel free to ask for refs

[river ruin]

Though sushang's stigmata are only lv40 i tbink. Prisms lol

[sweet flax]

Not too big of a deal right now

Will definitely affect you later but prioritise new valk stigmata first

[quick birch]

you may suffer in a few weathers when you break through but 8.4 isnt far away and once you have her your helia dps and sushang dps will improve significantly especially helia

[shell basin]

This seems optimistic

I have paws ps coralie, including leveled coralie weapon + stigmas, and I still don’t entirely reliably maintain a3 in NA

It’s only mostly reliable

I only lose trophies about 1 time in 5 or 6 (and a2 it’s trivial to +200 with that comp) but I wouldn’t describe it as reliable a3

Ig at this point temporary trophies can probably carry them over with that performance until next patch valk drops tho

[river ruin]

Yeah, I'm trying to stay pessimistic

[shell basin]

I think it’s probably worth promoting anyway because you’ll still mostly get a3 and you’ll get another 40 a week from MA

[quick birch]

even if you drop to a2 like once it'll be more rewards and once you have the 8.4 valk a pessimistic view would be rl retain with accosinally dropping to a3 but honestly with 3 good teams you can prob just retain rl

especially when all 3 valks are getting at least a bit of shill

[shell basin]

Yeah. I promoted and haven’t regretted it even with my dropping to A2 once, I just think it’s worth it anyway not that there’s zero change

[sweet flax]

have to keep in mind ps isnt shilled this patch

im even struggling to go back to nirv just from lacking paws despite having every other p2

also, paws loses a lot from not having 2 symbiosis units as supports

[quick birch]

she's getting a bit of shill though but i have to admit it's less than a valk normally gets the patch after they released

[sweet flax]

way less

[quick birch]

though you could consider her being shilled as a support

cuz ps fws aint leaving paws alone

[sweet flax]

ye xd

still though, they basically have 1 dps and only one of the proper supports for an extremely heavy restriction

[quick birch]

yeah

[shell basin]

I have paws too

[sweet flax]

please read the rest of my message

[sweet flax]

^

im just saying your situation is slightly cooked

coralie is not a good unit for those rings because of the restrictions, she just offers her own buffs thanks to being roo

[shell basin]

Yeah sure. But the person I was talking to also only had one support

So I think my experience is applicable to them

[sweet flax]

they arent in exalted, when they reach it they will have 8.4 as they stated as their plan

but your experience has higher value than whatever I will say I will give you that

however im curious how that is optimistic, a3/rl shouldnt be extremely unacessible at this point in time

especially if you have the newer units

[shell basin]

Maybe I’m getting cooked on brackets but it’s just been really hard to get trophies fsr. I’ve been posting my runs in gameplay recently to try and fix that, but it usually gets me only near the top of +0 and not to +100 so I don’t have a cushion for the ones where I’m totally cooked. I’ve only actually demoted once but there was a second close call

[sweet flax]

oh but that's fine

the idea is retaining redlotus not promoting to nirv

since unless you can t100 nirv you are literally only getting 40 more crystals a week

which is impossible unless you have BiS

[quick birch]

tbf it's unlikely you'll even retain without t100

happens but depends on bracket

especially in NA

[sweet flax]

^

[quick birch]

seen several cases of low t100 still demoting

[sweet flax]

regardless nirv in every region is usually filled with players who have a really good credit score or played long enough to have the teams necessary

[shell basin]

This is a3

Not redlotus

[sweet flax]

there's something very wrong then

[dry python]

Struggling in na a3 with the shill valk

[amber finch]

atleast its not eu

[ancient needle]

Well, NA RL is apparently a bit easier than EU

No clue about A3 tho

[amber finch]

shut up eu dweller

get me someone more trustworthy like triches perhaps

[quick birch]

Woah disrespecting profs mooooots

[storm lantern]

is dist not based on score

[quick birch]

We don't really know what it's based on afaik

We've been following almost every CN dist pattern for a few patches iirc

And that just doesn't really make sense if the score would actually influence dist

[dry python]

Wow so toxic

Ban incoming

[lone crater]

glblul

[amber finch]

throwback to when the entire server did really well and we ate a -3d

[small willow]

🧀

[lyric anvil]

Cabbage wants to eat the ches

[rugged compass]

Thanks for the cheese~!

[verbal kraken]

returnee here should i level her up ?

[shadow gyro]

yeah

you'll use her with part 2 units

however may i interest you with #👶beginner-help message ? incase you returned and wanna be competitive, this is optional tho

[verbal kraken]

thnx ill look into it

kinda giga lost atm xd

[shadow gyro]

its alr!

#💁gameplay-help message can help

[verbal kraken]

where do you get the chip from for SS/SSS

[shadow gyro]

the ss one is from story

[thick bolt]

You get SS from completing part 2 chapter 4
SSS is unavailable still

[verbal kraken]

aight cool i still haven't moved on to chapter 4

as im collecting all the chests and stuff from the first part (1-3)

[shadow gyro]

no worries, u can get at any time

[verbal kraken]

is the reserve works BP shop thing now always up with every battlepass or is it for this one only ? dont remember it when i used to play or maybe it was a thing i dont remember i mainly care about the 2 divine keys im missing

[shadow gyro]

reserve is permanent

and the bp balls are also permanent now

so yeah its worth going for the dkeys u don't have

[verbal kraken]

oh thats a cool change i guess

[shadow gyro]

the first shop does rotate and is locked to paid bp tho

[verbal kraken]

i really want PAWS but i dont think i have enough time to get her, shes really fun!

[shadow gyro]

how many crystals and how much pity do you have rn?

[verbal kraken]

I honestly sent whatever I had on the banner

I’m 30 away

[shadow gyro]

i see, what about the weapon banner?

like other valks she wants her weapon so if you think you have a lot of content to finish, you should be able to get her before she's gone

[verbal kraken]

Well content I have is anything from start of part 2 onwards

[shadow gyro]

hmm you'll get decent crystals from that but unfortunately i doubt that its enough to get paws

[urban lake]

@mystic stag can you talk now?

@mystic stag u alive?

[dusky kelp]

in the reserve works weapons are there any divine keys I can buy?

[shell basin]

Might of An Atu, Abyss Flower, and Fenghuang down

There’s also path of Judah and pledge of Sakura but you can get them by other means so don’t bother

Abyss flower and Fenghuang have craftable counterparts in the foundry you need to make

[sweet flax]

as well as twins of eden

[prisma oyster]

it took me around 18 days to get to lvl 60 and now im rethinking if i should just wait to breakthrough because i technically only have PAWS so should i just wait till i have a proper team to get to endgame?

[quick birch]

Give this a read

In terms of proper teams || if you pull the valk next patch you'll have 1 proper team which would be the 8.4 valk paws and VBm, paws team would also get a slight upgrade since the 8.4 valk has the symbioses tag||

With those teams you should be able to maintain a3 with occasional drops to a2 and if you just keep playing RL retain with occasional drops to a2 is not far away

[prisma oyster]

ita fine with just 2 valks then? i mean for the game modes

[quick birch]

You'd have more than 2 valks though VBm still is a very good support for beginners, in terms of game modes we have abyss and ma

Abyss

• requires 1 team per reset but has multiple weathers/bosses each of them emphasizing a certain valk though in RL A3 and A2 ( different abyss ranks ) you can often get through with brute forcing, since p2 Base S ranks are both supports and dpses you'd have 2 teams and you just use the one that fits the situation better.

MA

• Once you break through MA will have 2 SSS bosses and one SS boss. In terms of meta it's really only important to clear the SSS bosses in a certain time to get 40 crystals a week, there's also buffed mode which makes the fight easier but sacrifices some score that will help you to get those crystals, but MA can be a bit tuff for beginners since it requires 2 decent teams to get those 40 crystals though on the other side it's better to clear 1 SSS boss then to clear none pre breakthrough

You're also always free to ask for help here

[craggy oyster]

when's the right time to breakthrough? Can't believe I'm already lvl 80 lol

[ancient needle]

Immediately

!faq breakthrough

[small willow]

Breakthrough

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information regarding Breaking through to Exalted (Captain Level 81+).

Short Answer:

• It is highly recommended to break through for better rewards, but be aware that it is irreversible!

Also see !faq superstring regarding Exalted Abyss

[ancient needle]

Make sure to give this a read before committing though

[craggy oyster]

hmmm my only problem will be MA after breaking through since that I don't have a good 2nd team. Should I still do it?

I mean I got nothing to lose I guess

[ancient needle]

MA will be a bit annoying in that regard for a good while, but your rewards there get better regardless

Forgot to pull this up for you too:

!faq superstring

[small willow]

Superstring Dimension

Hey, Captain!

[Click Here](#👶beginner-help message) for the summary of Exalted Abyss and why we push Captains to "retain Redlotus".

[craggy oyster]

oooooo

[craggy oyster]

oh yeah I also have another problem, how can I guarantee to clear Exalted Abyss even tho I'm still struggling to clear Q-Manifold at Agony with PAWS.

[ancient needle]

Does your PAWS have her weapon? Is her gear maxed? What team are you using?

[craggy oyster]

PAWS has everything and I'm using her with VBm and VBs. vbs has her stigs while vbm only use TheresaGlut, Fu Hua Musician.

[ancient needle]

Did you by any chance record one of your runs with that?

Wait a sec

Old Helia has her stigs but Coralie doesn't?

[craggy oyster]

no sadly, I really don't record my gameplays much often.

[ancient needle]

It should be the other way around

[craggy oyster]

Yeah, that was the decision I regret. lol

although I'm not pulling next patch, I was thinking of getting coralie's stigs....

[ancient needle]

The 8.4 valk should be a very good pull for you, is it cuz of who the valk is?

Or are you not actually new and you're broke

But yeah, if you don't get her getting Coralie's stigs is a good idea (keep them at lvl 35)

[craggy oyster]

I'm not really a new player but I started on a fresh account and I only have like 9.6k crystals rn because 90% of my progress was stolen by PAWS Pull T-T

on the bright side, I still lots of content to finish

[ancient needle]

If your acc is new affording both 8.4 and 8.5 shouldn't be an issue

If that's your concern

[craggy oyster]

well, I already finished all the training guide missions, I'm just doing the weekly ones and clearing those unfinished content is tiring

I also not consistently logging in because of how busy my sched is sadly T-T

[ancient needle]

Ah, ye, that's fair then

[ancient needle]

It's best if you record a run at some point in that case

That way we can give suggestions

[craggy oyster]

okay okay noted.

[high needle]

I am a returnee and have everything that is not red above, should I restart?

[quick birch]

from the valks them self yes maybe also show your equip to make sure but it's more likely a restart would be better

[high needle]

I'll mark what is 4/4 1 sec

Orange is just weapon

[ancient needle]

This tierlist is probs based on an AI-generated article xdd

[high needle]

It's the easiest thing I found

[ancient needle]

Yeah, ofc, I gotcha

[high needle]

Green is 4/4 and orange is just weapon

[quick birch]

yeah looks like a restart imo

[high needle]

Auch

Aight will relive part 1 sotry

[amber finch]

tierlist

funni

[high needle]

First image I found that I thought was easy to work with

[amber finch]

nah i didnt mean anything, just havent seen one posted here in awhile

[high needle]

I mean I couldn't find any complete one anyway

This one seems to lack a lot of the part 2 ones

[ancient needle]

Do you have any P2 valks?

[high needle]

Nah

[ancient needle]

Yeah, nvm then

[high needle]

Quit before p2 release

[quick birch]

~~ cuz they're ass ~~

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/819962254278918165.webp?size=16&animated=true

[amber finch]

still remember the obviously waifu tierlist but op keeps on insisting that its a meta one

[high needle]

I quit right after HoHE release

Human ego

[rugged compass]

Hows SD 4/4?...

Gimme her stigs

And her wep since its SD and not DS

[cyan dune]

Is it worth pulling a weapon for the global passive or would that just be a waste of crystals?

[storm lantern]

if you mean like getting a dkey without owning the valk yeah that's a waste, dkeys are good but not worth the average amount of pulls for the weapon banner

[sweet flax]

most dkeys are available through f2p means

stellar keys (p2 dkeys) which are gacha only as of now should be avoided generally if valk is unowned

[river ruin]

oh, we're sort of on the topic i was gonna ask about

i have oath of judah and there's a big fat tune option, but it says that tuning it freezes the level

and as far as i'm aware i need to level it and whatnot before I can actually do divine key things with it

so am i correct in understanding that I should not tune oath of judah until I can max it out?

[ancient needle]

Tuning doesn't freeze the level

[ancient needle]

No

[ancient needle]

Well, you need to upgrade either Pledge of Sakura or Oath of Judah for the Gene Limits

Doesn't matter which

Only the highest level is tracked for the category

[river ruin]

wow, that is some full on "attack the scorpion mech when its tail is up" level translation

although worse ecuase it seems like the translation is straight up wrong rather than paced turbobadly. but okay!

good to know.

[lone kindle]

btw just in case

!faq tierlist

[small willow]

Tier Lists

Be careful, Captain!

⚠️ TIER LISTS ARE NOT VIABLE IN HONKAI IMPACT 3RD.*

If you have seen a tier list, DO NOT BLINDLY INVEST INTO ANYTHING IT CLAIMS IS 'GOOD'.

While some tier lists may reflect the current meta, those characters will not help you to build a competitive account. In Honkai Impact 3rd, we optimally invest in the future meta upon its arrival, as the value of a Valkyrie peaks on her release.

*This FAQ refers to competitive/investment tier lists. Cuteness tier lists and the like are exempt from this, but please do not post tier lists in help channels.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides! + !faq pull and !faq meta

[green gale]

Oh, she's Cool

[ancient needle]

If you're just starting out you'll likely not manage to get her atp unfortunately

Only a couple of days left

Though it does mean that the next patch is soon

[shell basin]

Eh if you rush story or reroll it should be possible

[ancient needle]

(2 weeks + a couple of days)

[shell basin]

Lots of work though

[ancient needle]

If rerolling yes
Story would need some crazy grinding, which is unrealistic imo

[shell basin]

Fair, you’d really have to put your petal to the metal

[green gale]

Returning player

[shell basin]

Probably even tougher then, unless you have a crystal stockpile

[green gale]

I see

[rotund roost]

Paws is meele right?

[shadow gyro]

yes

[rotund pasture]

Should I get planar spacetime or wait for the next valk?

[quick birch]

that would depend on your crystal count but we normally encourage to get valks at the beginning of the patch since you basically lost a whole patch of shill when pulling her now. Additionally cn ani is pretty close and that patch is usually more expensive than other patches, imo it's best to skip her atp

[rotund pasture]

Alr

[upbeat egret]

How to play next valk + anny valk without paws

[quick birch]

we don't know what other valks need paws yet and 8.4 || can just play 3/3 RoO||

[lament fractal]

is there any codes or special page for newer player bonuses?

[ancient needle]

You can enter an invite code before you reach lvl 26 in the Bonuses tab on the left

[lament fractal]

is there any channel with such codes?

[ancient needle]

Yes, #invite-links-here

[quick birch]

i have one wait a sec

[ancient needle]

Or use Mango's, ye

[lament fractal]

gimme

[quick birch]

205573423EU

[ancient needle]

Other newbie bonuses (excluding Starter Manual) are in the Bonuses tab as well

[lament fractal]

also is there good rerol guide somewere?

[ancient needle]

!faq reroll

[small willow]

About Rerolling

Hey there, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary of rerolling [here](#👶beginner-help message)! Also see the Returnee Accounts pin [here](#👶beginner-help message) to see why restarting is recommended and remember, whether you want to reroll is completely your decision!

"Rerolling" refers to the process of restarting accounts until you obtain the target character/equipment within the first 10 supply pulls - not to be confused with "restarting", which is simply starting a new account and sticking with it regardless of luck.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lament fractal]

found 3y old only

[ancient needle]

This is general rerolling info
The current reroll target is Planar Armament

[ancient needle]

Gotta grab the weap afterwards normally

[sweet flax]

shouldnt be much of a difference between now and 3y ago, the important thing is to know how to salt emails to make the process faster (avoid starter banner too its ass)

[lament fractal]

is it worth it to do now?

rerolling

[ancient needle]

It's a brand new valk, so yeah
You might not manage to get her weapon atp, but it's fine for now if you're rerolling

[sweet flax]

depends how active you plan to be, since banner is nearly over if you arent as active you might not be able to secure the weapon in time

[lament fractal]

weapon is like sig in other hoyo games?

[sweet flax]

yes, except in this game there arent f2p alternatives

[ancient needle]

It is her signature weapon, yes
Generally speaking they're mandatory here

[quick birch]

also it's best to treat hi3 completly different since it's very different

[sweet flax]

the only thing they have in common is being a hoyo ip and contain gacha

but it ends there

[lament fractal]

hm is there any like meta tier list or better smthin like kqm community to figure out better chars? Maybe i dont need current one even...

[sweet flax]

tier lists no, generally speaking meta follows newer releases

as abyss, the main endgame, has a weather system that provides buffs and debuffs suiting the newer unit

[ancient needle]

If you wanna be a meta player you just pull the brand new stuff and only it

[lament fractal]

i kinda love to invest horizontaly to get as many chars that can work for many teams

[sweet flax]

or if a valk is really good, and the other banner is ass a rerun could be an angle but such scenarios are rare (vita being the most recent )

[quick birch]

that's also your goals as a meta player

ranks and weapon synergy are whale stuff

[lament fractal]

so current valk works for me?

i can grind it no problems tho

[quick birch]

yeah absolutely

[lament fractal]

sounds like things from pgr

[sweet flax]

pgr gives you those for free

again, dont compare it to other games

[lament fractal]

it's more like references to understand things better, since i have 0% knowledge about the game atm

[sweet flax]

ahhh ok ok

[lone crater]

leap system dont exist

[fallen shale]

what should I do against the Herrscher of the Rimestar?

[shy kiln]

How long do gacha valks stay relevant for usually? Would I be missing out on alot if i were to pull PAWS now, but not be able to get the next gacha S rank?

[fallen shale]

my only part 2 units are Coralie, PAWS, PS and VBS

[sweet flax]

for ma?

[fallen shale]

yea

[lone crater]

u got p1 stuff?

ps paws coralie would do ok tho

[sweet flax]

prefrably if you have cn ranked or geared that would be an angle with p1 teams
but seeing as you dont have older p2 units mainly sparkle, im assuming you have nothing for ignite. but you can try with ps or paws dps since they are bio and see how the damage is

[fallen shale]

wouldn't that hang the other SSS boss

[lone crater]

well since u mentioned only that boss, i thought u only have those valks free

[ancient needle]

Roughly speaking it's 1.5-2 years

But that was with 6-week patches

[fallen shale]

well I haven't attempted the other boss either yet

[ancient needle]

We don't know how increased patch length will affect that

[fallen shale]

I have CN but I haven't ranked her or levelled her at all

[sweet flax]

then she wont help

[ancient needle]

The next valks looks to be more valuable than PAWS, but we don't know for sure just yet

[sweet flax]

dont bother ranking her or leveling her either its a waste

||next patch coralie is gonna have ignite if you are pulling that||

[ancient needle]

Should be fine either way if you aren't a competitive player though

[lone crater]

u just send one of ps or paws against each one of the sss boss, and then give each one either a coralie or vbs, and then for the third slot, just choose one of rc or ta

turn on buff mode

[shy kiln]

thats surprisingly a way longer time than i was expecting tbh

[ancient needle]

Valks become more and more niche over time though

[fallen shale]

I mean vbs I assume should only be paired with PAWS and not PS

[ancient needle]

For example, Part 1 valks that are still relevant have only 1-2 Abyss bosses atp

[lone crater]

well, u cant really form a real team in the first place anyways so, its quite w/e, and for your purposes of clearing the boss, its prob good enough

[quick birch]

Sometimes there also also exceptions valks like Eden and HoS which are definitely older than 2 years still hold like 1-2 bosses

[shy kiln]

ohhh, now i kinda regret 4/4ing today

[wraith brook]

dont we do it erly with PS?
why now helaia

[quick birch]

One was bleed this one is meele

[wraith brook]

oh

[ancient needle]

Because PS is not melee because she's Bleed DMG

[wraith brook]

more troble

[ancient needle]

Bleed DMG is neither melee nor ranged

[wraith brook]

but we still need PS for pre phase?

[quick birch]

Yes

[ancient needle]

PS provides hitcount and Bleed for this boss

[wraith brook]

mhm

[ancient needle]

Also she's just BiS in general for PAWS DPS

[wraith brook]

did we have ref with DS?
or Kina elf will be better?

[quick birch]

Is kia elf at least 3* ?

[wraith brook]

I just see someone in my board use Elf

[wraith brook]

not sure

u mean this star? @quick birch

[ancient needle]

Yes

[wraith brook]

Guess no then

[ancient needle]

Just use DS then

[quick birch]

Iirc hieu Le uploaded a ref gimme a sec

https://youtu.be/a5Yzc1FkY5I?si=ZztdOluOZDO4y0oZ

D diff will probably make up for any missing attack

Otherwise you probably need to add some basics/ults here and there

[wraith brook]

i remember i probaly can active it, but not sure

[wraith brook]

what the "kissing attack?"

[ancient needle]

missing

[quick birch]

My autocorrection is fucking me up

[wraith brook]

[quick birch]

I should deactivate this shit

[wraith brook]

oh i found it
should i use it all for Kiana elf?

[lone crater]

no

[wraith brook]

why?

[lone crater]

just save, u unlock her and its Only 2 star

which is not better than ds

[wraith brook]

oh ok thanks

so wait, i only unlock her?

[lone crater]

when u get her first time it's 2 star

[wraith brook]

not use part, but save them for probably future?

[lone crater]

u get dupes/frag to unlock higher staes

[lone kindle]

Just for the 23x2 affixes is worth to save

[lone crater]

u sqve it for the affix box or w/e, you save it until when you find a real use case

[lone kindle]

Its always the same think

[lone kindle]

Better have it than not have it

When you choose its set in stone, cant be changed, and if its not immediate use, you are risking regretting it later and wanting to change it but being unable cause already chose

In begginer help and in gameplay help we just had the same conversation

O have to make a faq about this

[wraith brook]

u use affix for valk as example?
I guess I'm confused about what this is about.

sorry

bad

[lone crater]

yes, one option is 2 lines of 23 atk, which can be used on any stigmata, and ppl use it when they need that extra bit of atk to make whatever run they r going for work

but the idea is that, these are scenarios where you know for sure you will make some use out of that box

if you just abruptly choose kiana elf there, its likely u actually never find yourself in a scenario where you do want to use her because her rank is too low

which may seem like a waste

the point of holding onto it is because u don't want to waste it

[wraith brook]

so i dont even unlock elf?

[wraith brook]

im not sure why,
but looks like i cant use it.
hope translate is good.(not mine)

[lone crater]

nope, its unrealistic for you to unlock the elf less you have some way of getting her to 4 star immediately when you unlock her

[wraith brook]

oh, wait, that sentence i wrote mean "i open elf"?
i want make sure that right now i cant open it
anyway thanks.

[lone crater]

so when you open the box, yes you unlock her, you get her as the 2 star version

but 2 star weak

2 star not helpful

[wraith brook]

Yes, I kind of figured it out. but it seems that I wrote about it incorrectly.

[glad ice]

can be helpful in SS MA, but not worth it

[lone crater]

yeah if u use p1 valks and they lighting/fire then its better than nothing

idr if the grouping ability of kiana is unlocked

[glad ice]

the point is reset switch cd, dmg doesnt really matter

[lone crater]

oh that, other elfs can do it too, but i was focused on kiana elf herself

[glad ice]

iirc kiana can reset all type of valk switch cd (including physical)

[lone crater]

yes, but i was gonna say, if you rly care about ma, then you actually have other elfs as a option to consider

[quick birch]

Oh maybe mine will do then it's prob too high attack for you though

And it's not optimized

[lone crater]

cuz there's another one that lets you ignite enemies

which is needed to trigger qte for some valks

[fallen shale]

oh hey I might make it to agony III for the first time

[glad ice]

paws havers celebration

btw if u want kiana 3* wait for next ver spending. they usually have elf frag box

[quick birch]

opener

• here you can throw PS' WA first so that you can switch to fws and it still hits HoC while you do fws' CA.

transition

• I pressed WA too late if you time it right the wall is gone after her WA
• you can Ult sooner on the second wall there is no need to press WA again it's just wasted time
  https://youtu.be/M0mppO2Jork?si=7yr7v3UwUZnbm0nj

[wraith brook]

dont worry, get help from ru chat with that,

oh im late
Sry

[quick birch]

Ah np

It wasn't a lot of work I already knew what's wrong with my run and uploaded that run yesterday

Take some inspiration or don't it's not a big deal really lol

[wraith brook]

[wraith brook]

guess, not, it good for me if i take below 17% , probably i can get 2% or smth like that, like someone said, but guess i need to spend whole week and sweet for this

[glad ice]

sweat, and hair too

[wraith brook]

what

[glad ice]

we already know all ma 0.2% are bald head

[wraith brook]

oh

rly? XD

[upbeat egret]

Did you try nirvana opener?

[dry python]

What the heck is nirvana opener

[quick birch]

Haven't played since then and I also wrote that my opener is wrong

[upbeat egret]

Sus before badum

[dry python]

Rl also has sus before badum tho

No?

[quick birch]

Yuh my opener is just wrong

[upbeat egret]

Idk i was looking mango ref

[quick birch]

Smh read text above it

[upbeat egret]

I smell a 840

[dry python]

I don't smell anything I'm sick

[upbeat egret]

You are overkilling asf

[dry python]

[upbeat egret]

[quick birch]

I'm sandbagging anyway so I'm not malding this cycle

[glad ice]

no. but it was common knowledge joke. u can check ytbers comments lol. everyone concern about their hair

[quick birch]

Too risky

[upbeat egret]

Bruh you can still get perfect score and sandbagging tho

[quick birch]

I'm like 2 points behind t3

If I get 840 I'll promo

[upbeat egret]

Oh

[wraith brook]

dead yt
dont want alredy this stage

[wraith brook]

[upbeat egret]

Sad that my rl account is nirvana rn

I could 845-850

[narrow basin]

are there only a few valkyries that u can interact with on the bridge

[thick bolt]

you can interact with everyone, unless it's the part 2 openworld bridge.

unless by interact you mean the touch feature, that is SEA only and only for the super early valks

[sweet flax]

what non paws team works best for this abyss

[velvet patio]

trio

[autumn oxide]

fov

brick

[urban lake]

I mean if you really frickin hate your hair....

[narrow basin]

should i rank up terminal aide to S or Coralie blastmetal to S first

[thick bolt]

blastmetal || she'll actually see use next patch ||

[narrow basin]

whats up w next patch

[thick bolt]

|| her ring type is useful for new unit, and she's also a cope universal support for p2 units before you have full best in slot teams ||

[narrow basin]

ouu okay ty

[lyric anvil]

My VBm currently on vacation

[shell basin]

is there a way to unlock equipment in less than 24h

I have all 4 weapons for oath of judah but I'm waiting on a 24h to unlock the last one to salvage it

[abstract sequoia]

yes there is, you need to setup the device lock feature by tapping your account name in main menu > Account > Device Lock

after that just relock the equipment and unlock it with your set pin

[shell basin]

ty

[wraith brook]

can i beat Herrscher- with 2p team?
I took vita and other as team for 1st boss

guess im a little late sry

[quick birch]

you can roughly follow this
https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1WM3Hz2EnR

uses fws/jds/paws but teri as a aop

[lyric anvil]

Vita DPS on birb

[wraith brook]

dont have teri

[quick birch]

shouldnt matter too much

if it's just to get the crystals

[wraith brook]

yep, that what i wrote, guess i again miss smth

thanks

oh that part with fish skip?

[quick birch]

oh is it with fish skip

[ancient needle]

Fish skip in MA?

[quick birch]

you can just leave it out if your goal is not a really high score

[ancient needle]

Yeah, the difference is extremely negligible

[wraith brook]

jsut make sure, i see it trouhg(?)
or i I got it mixed up with something

[quick birch]

prob mixed it up

i don't see it

[wraith brook]

is it bad?

flowers got me/

[storm lantern]

yes but it being bad doesn't really matter

[wraith brook]

tahnsk

[wraith brook]

[wraith brook]

how much we can get?

[spiral badge]

based on the left, i don't think you can get any more for the current run in your screenshot

sometimes depending on the time period these will drain from your pardo coins instead too

elysian realm tends to introduce weird new gimmicks every few weeks. Most of the time you can just not pay too much attention to them

[lone crater]

fish skip where

in most cases in ma u don't even want to skip cuz u can buy time for cooldowns

[ancient canopy]

hey is there a faq on affixes?

[storm lantern]

#👶beginner-help message

[ancient canopy]

thanks!

[amber finch]

btw if you meant a faq on what affix to use for which valk then just ask and say the name of the valk you’re affixing and we’ll answer

there isnt a real list/faq for the affixes of each and every valk in the game

[ancient canopy]

no problem the faq answered my questions!

thanks!

[amber finch]

[ancient canopy]

does gluttony works off-field or do i have to be on-field to proc it?

[amber finch]

works off field but you preferable want to proc it on field bc its faster that way

if you’re using a really old bad valk ( 90% of bronya suits) then its understandable that you’d want it to be off field

[glad ice]

it depends on the valk using it. if the valk can hit enemy from off-field, u get candy drop

[amber finch]

doesnt it generate candy regardless too or am i being delusional