💁gameplay-help

[round arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR6UZBlWL9w

[arctic spoke]

have no Sena , thank
guess i cant do it then

[full trench]

do you have vita dps, that should be your next best option since everyone has domain resonance and it has pretty high dps

not sure if it can retain, never tried it

[arctic spoke]

I have but, i try MA team and cant dodge she in 1st phase

[arctic spoke]

Not sure mb little chanse,
BUt we use Coralie and Kiana?

[full trench]

i would guess it can get more than 714

but yeah you use the other two roo characters

[arctic spoke]

ok thank
now only rpoblem with qua attack and with pre phase

[full trench]

if you miss a collapse on one of her attacks you can just reset but collapse should be pretty easy with vita

[arctic spoke]

i miss one with wing, and cant move on pre phase only in side not toward

well icant

now i need about 745

[eager smelt]

collapse better

[arctic spoke]

i can't bruh

[full trench]

i dont think it can 745 but maybe im too much of a doubter

[arctic spoke]

well, mostly wing 3rd attack and in 2nd phase its somehow miss 2nd attack on ground, but i guess i cant reach 745 with my speed of rpess button,

[arctic spoke]

What u mean?

[eager smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXHvu4pvy0g

[eager smelt]

wow i forgot all about this song

[full trench]

kind of surprised loa is better than vita but thats nice

[elfin parrot]

maybe consider purposely waiting and not doing anything for the collapse move if you haven't achieved a score with earliest collapses yet. This loses some time but collapsing when you can is most important.

[arctic spoke]

m i try, but wing it something special for me. just cant dodge it propele even with 2 jump sometimes

[elfin parrot]

make sure to land a hit with the same valkyrie after evading a collapse move too, or you will not remove a quantum layer

[arctic spoke]

i do, but all problem in evading

[elfin parrot]

there isn't really any rng/variance in the attack order so as long as you plan out your actions, you should be able to figure out what you can do before you need to evade the move too

or at least for the first collapse move. I'm not sure about later attacks

[full trench]

what teams do i make for ma

[arctic spoke]

not good in that, bc mostly if i not wait i skipp all attack for eveading then.

[eager smelt]

oh yeah i need to do ma

[arctic spoke]

I try video

[full trench]

only s songque op if that affects whether i want helia or sushang leader on sampo

[neon narwhal]

ps badum helia
song sena thel?
yolo

[arctic spoke]

but alredy do a miss as i see.
dont undestand how 3rd attack evade do, how u would say i over killing guess

[full trench]

wod on sss it's truly cooked

[neon narwhal]

ye

hmm dunno if teriop affects lead order on first team but it's what I've seen run

[arctic spoke]

i just cant repeat, sry

[eager smelt]

am i seeing a vita combo there

[arctic spoke]

yes

[eager smelt]

why

i didnt do one

[arctic spoke]

always forgot that vita not dps

how u press wa and jump in one time?

[full trench]

its evade not jump now

[arctic spoke]

that no jump?

or what u about?

[full trench]

i thought u meant fish skip

[arctic spoke]

idk about that nothing

and never use it i gues

So it use fish skip?

[full trench]

yes

[arctic spoke]

oh, guess i cant use it then, sry for waste ur time

its better give up

[full trench]

can maybe use ps instead

but i doubt it

[arctic spoke]

im just too bad
cant repeat at all

[zealous minnow]

Badum dps?

Mihoyo suggest badum on last spot of team

You should try songque maybe

[full trench]

they own 0 ws dps

[elfin parrot]

waiting is fine if you don't every single tiny point

but otherwise if you cannot do that then i'm thinking 3 things

• you didn't plan out your actions enough yet
• you're not consistent in what you're doing and may need to practice more
• maybe the way you planned things out is too much, and making it difficult to be consistent. You may need to investigate for an easier alternative

[full trench]

wod songque is not a bruteforce team against anything

[zealous minnow]

Badum have only counter advantage, but...i did more damage and dps with helia

[full trench]

at least since they patched gatling gun lol

wdym counter advantage

[elfin parrot]

you might want to make it a habit to pause after a jump or evade to check if you got it or if you need to do another one to catch it just a bit later

[zealous minnow]

SD do more damage on quantum

[full trench]

no it doesnt?

[vernal terrace]

SD does neutral DMG on qua

[elfin parrot]

it is neutral

please double check your information

[zealous minnow]

aniway badum dps here make no sense for me

[vernal terrace]

Only type that's TC'd by QUA is IMG

[elfin parrot]

the only thing that does more damage against quantum is quantum itself. Imaginary does less damage. That is it

[vernal terrace]

^

[arctic spoke]

where?
or i dont udenstadn whtt u aobut

[full trench]

it has susani for p2 its easy to collapse and the dmg is high

[zealous minnow]

Sparkle-Vita-Badum

[elfin parrot]

at the time of awawa making the video, FWS was more new so if you don't have quantum battlesuits she was one of the stronger neutral options

[zealous minnow]

infact on my case helia do 50 more points then badum as leader

[full trench]

it should still be better than ps idk about helia

[zealous minnow]

on him case maybe vita is better

[arctic spoke]

I just have no option

[elfin parrot]

if you plan to learn fish skip then keep in mind you can't do it with jumping anymore. That is patched. Instead now you need to do it with regular evade.

if you choose not to do it, then you'll need to be mindful that what you're doing compared to awawa is different, and you will need to adjust to resync to what he is doing later, or to make up for what you're not doing.

[zealous minnow]

aniway i usually do 3 try, one sushang leader, one badum leader, one helia leader, to see who do more points on the abyss

i not follow mihoyo and no one, i prefer test

[elfin parrot]

self testing is good

[zealous minnow]

for me maybe he can try vita dps

[full trench]

vita was my first thought but little susani/timestop means the shield comes back

in p2

[quick quest]

I'm confused why with paws sometimes when I come back to her during outburst there's plenty of SP, and other times there isn't enough for the third ult

[zealous minnow]

When i change her on astral ring and have 3 hit, when i return to her i lost all stack...

for that i usually press astral ring on her and make istant full combo

[eager smelt]

dodging

[zealous minnow]

i see alot charge the last hit and change, to do her ulti on 0 sp, but...if you wrong you lose entire combo

aniway helia is hard to play

[arctic spoke]

mb im not much undestadn but somehow i almost do, but cant evade 3rd attack or even if evade it(if u corectly remember-once)
now cant do at all
Anyway who is awawa?

[eager smelt]

[arctic spoke]

[eager smelt]

look at who made the video

[arctic spoke]

oh

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/5FapYTn.png

[arctic spoke]

i guess it ur, not see owner viedo

[rare iris]

sibling of uwuwu

[arctic spoke]

[arctic spoke]

how i stupid
thank , now i see

So, rn WE have not FIsh skip?

[elfin parrot]

yeah i'm just trying to say you need to realize because you're completely copying what awawa is doing, the timing might change and you need to adjust it.

If you're too early then you may need to wait or add in more attacks

if you're too late then you may need to remove some earlier attacks

we do have fish skip but it's not the same

instead of jumping you now have to use the regular evade button

[eager smelt]

same dmg and time but different input

[arctic spoke]

then what it change it the end?

[elfin parrot]

if you are familiar with the fish skip before it was patched, then you can try rebinding your controls so jump and evade are swapped

the input method is changed

so doing it the old way does not work

before you would hold attack + jump > swap out

now you can't jump anymore

you need to hold attack + evade > swap out

[arctic spoke]

oh
So it mean it make same time and dmg, i though its about time if we do fish or not.
thanks

[elfin parrot]

https://youtu.be/KG4venbfMhg?feature=shared&t=12

i feel there might be a slight timing difference because you can see the full evade animation here

whereas with the old method you can cancel the jump animation well that you don't really see it

[eager smelt]

i dont see the evade animation when i do it

[elfin parrot]

oh then nevermind

[arctic spoke]

oh wait, i dont use it but thanks for this

[elfin parrot]

then this go back to what i was saying earlier where if you don't use it, then you may need to change something and find a different way to match the timing of the collapse move instead of copying the video

anyway that will be something you will have to figure out

[eager smelt]

maybe next cycle
no time left

[arctic spoke]

yeah

[eager smelt]

fish skip is good to learn for brute force

[elfin parrot]

yeah i rather you stick with something more consistent and easy if there's not much time left

[arctic spoke]

u about fish skip?

well i reach there somehow, but have bad timing with collapse,

[elfin parrot]

yes fish skip takes time to learn and get good at

so if you don't have much time, don't try to force yourself to learn it now

[arctic spoke]

mb i try it next time
to learn

[elfin parrot]

yeah

anyway my main recommendation is really just going to be to stop and wait for the collapses you're not good at

if you already got a max score with waiting then you can try doing less consistent but higher rewarding sequences

[arctic spoke]

m
U mean istead of waiting, put some attack?

[elfin parrot]

yeah

the overall idea is to get some kind of reliable and easy score for now and once you have it, gradually build to higher but more difficult scores

unless you know the easy scores are not going to be good enough to retain

[arctic spoke]

thanks

[vernal bronze]

Ok, I think I need sonque to retain here, sparkle fws vita ain’t cutting it

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/WPdQtt-PP3U Besides better AR farming, is there anything I can do to improve this score?

My best is actually 824 but I think it's cause I got lucky with the AR farming, as I'm pretty sure I do the same stuff.

[eager smelt]

too slow on vita jump
can ult on teri earlier after transition

easy abyss so not much else to say

[pale musk]

What number do the bonus points hit when Vita jumps?

[eager smelt]

didnt i do it in my video

[pale musk]

oh you did, about 993

Nvm that was wep, jump is 987

[eager smelt]

weapon timing doesnt matter

[pale musk]

Ok, ty

[open bone]

Anyone have any advice for my abyss run? I can't make higher than 510.
https://youtu.be/jWOwe5TowQE

Ideally there's some obvious mistakes I'm making that can add another 160 to my score but I'm worried I might just be cooked with this team.

(and presumably my dorm / dkey levels also don't help)

[spiral raven]

u can try to evade the attacks that lets u quantum collapse

[eager smelt]

ur not collapsing

[spiral raven]

so u dodged the first one but then theres the laser and anchor

and that would drop it all and collapse her

[open bone]

oh, that would explain it. So in the middle I'm just supposed to dodge all the attacks?

[eager smelt]

u can look at my badum run for inspiration on how u can collapse while keeping good atk flow

[open bone]

link?

[eager smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXHvu4pvy0g

[spiral raven]

u can try to fit in attacks, either fit the rotation differently so you can evade conveniently and not interrupt your flow, or just manually delay your atk

either way would be increase over what you doing

[eager smelt]

collapse at 972 = beeg dmg

u should be able to add another 250 to ur score

[open bone]

Ah, ty

[spiral raven]

u can also collapse in p2 and dont use ur so that early

by using those attacks that have tf you are slowing her movements and delaying those important actions for you to dodge

to recognise which attacks can remove the quantum thing theres a flash of purple blue ish light

the same colour as the quantum icon

[open bone]

okay, so at the start of part 1 and part 2 I should prioritize dodging attacks over attacking, thne go all in once all three dots are gone and use mostly the same rotation?

[spiral raven]

that's certainly one way and the easiest way

it would be more difficult to try to fit a good rot that does not lose tempo but first prioritise getting the easy score

and then work from there

[open bone]

https://youtu.be/cQ-gF-_fZ3E So I think I fumbled this a bit, but it seems like coralie can only do it by jumping and not dodging? or were my dodges just bad

[open bone]

alright, inflicting quantum collapse got me up to 623 which is still -150. I think I could have eked out a bit better than that with more time invested but not too much better, my main problem was that I couldn't finish part 2 in 1 quantum collapse and I needed to do it twice. With better dorm and keys, maybe I could have gotten a -75 tho

[spiral raven]

if the weap didn't work for whatever reason when you did it in p1 try just normally attacking instead

but yeah i saw it too late

[open bone]

I managed to get that part done, just jump attacks worked as long as I was jumping and wasn't dodging

issue is like I said I wasn't good enough to brute force part 2 before quantum collapse wore off and I had to do it again

[spiral raven]

no no, i meant when you dodged at 976, you did not trigger it, she still has two stacks afterwards

[open bone]

oh yeah in video I was doing dodge, since I didn't get a response I switched to just jumping in my final runs

and jumping procced it reliably

[spiral raven]

fair enough

[open bone]

time to focus on MA then. How does HoS work as a support? I just unlocked her recently but I see she has impair, does that mean if I spend the mats building her she'll be able to support bleed? or is it just pure physical damage that that helps? And what rotation would I need to make it function. (I know she's not meta esp without gear, I'm just trying to put together cope options to see if I can reach 35%)

teams I'm trying to support are PS + TA for aponia and whatever I can throw together for alien guard, which is probably Cosmic Expression / Starry Impression? And then my vaguely useful supports for one of the two is RC and maybe HoS

[quick quest]

impair does help bleed, yes

I've never tried running PS with p1 supports, but I suppose it should work

[spiral raven]

her stigmata is purely dmg but her non dk sig gives her sp when you use special atks, and u generally bring in a leader who gives sp bonus, so when you switch hos in, you do two quick special atks proc her shadow from evading, you'll get enough sp for ult, if off by 1 or 2 can consider some sp regen affixes

[open bone]

IC. I'm sure it's much less good but I have 4 p2 valks so I can't exactly support PS with them, they're busy supporting PAWS on sampo

Just TA + PS gets me 38000 exactly on Aponia so I think the optimal way to do it is to try my best support third there, see if I can break the 38400 threshold, but I'm not sure which of the cope thirds is best at coping

PS doesn't have starting SP so it sounds like it's probably PS / TA / RC and then CE / SI / HoS but I'm not sure

[spiral raven]

that's prob fine, just give it a shot

[steady osprey]

yeah u can go CE SI HOS with CE dps on Alienguard

HOS can use holmes 2-3pc/gluT beachMei NewtB

[fair bough]

Chat can ya'll help me decide what to get from battlepass (24 pink balls)

1. Sena weapon (the only use I have for her is off field support for HoHe for her elemental breach buff)
2. Lunar Vow TB (I have her weapon and M)
3. Mobius weapon and HoHe rank up stamps (Mobius is my favourite valk)
4. Something else?

[crude cloak]

At what rank is your HoHE currently?

[dusky mantle]

Dkeys done?

[fair bough]

S0 💀

[crude cloak]

Yeah, ok, BP ranks ain't saving her

[vernal terrace]

[crude cloak]

Do you have SImp and CE for LV?

[fair bough]

When we get some paid pack with HoHe I'm gonna buy it trust

[fair bough]

No💀
Bricked ahh acc
I pulled LV when I was a noob
Failed to get simp

[crude cloak]

Don't bother with LV either then

Unless for Mobi ig

[fair bough]

But she supports Mobius

[crude cloak]

If you're a more casual player you can go the Mobi + LV route

[fair bough]

Yay

[crude cloak]

I'd start with Mobi, cuz there still is some copium about a potential LV dkey

[fair bough]

Hmm yeah makes sense

[vernal terrace]

HoRb DKey Copium

[fair bough]

I already crafted her stigmata
She's SS1
SSS soon trust

[crude cloak]

Do you have GD at least

[fair bough]

Yes

Hell yeah then we'r going for Mobi weapon
And keep the rest of pink balls for the future

Maybe they gonna add something very good

[vernal terrace]

Can check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion if you want to see

[dusky mantle]

Damn

[fierce crypt]

no sus is pain

[digital sky]

Helia LV GD should totally work this abyss right?

[mortal jetty]

Bruh what is this dark cope team?

[digital sky]

Its sushangless

Helia

It should work right...i can ult thrice and have bleed..

[cunning gull]

bro just play normal paws team or normal lv team atp

[digital sky]

But lv is type down
And i dont own sushang for paws

[cunning gull]

just playing paws tbh

if you can retain that's enough

[digital sky]

I actually (for once) got a +100 in rl :D

[cunning gull]

nicee, keep it up

[digital sky]

Well i cant
Im thelemaless

[cunning gull]

normal paws team should be able to retain
just do a lot of runs

nowadays you only need thelema for hohe bosses

and ma sometimes

[digital sky]

HoH Sena Vita's gotta work 😔

Wonder why they didnt run paralyze sushang

[digital sky]

Wait
Helia should work against wolf as a goodilycopium option right?

Its neutral and she does lightning dmg

[cunning gull]

yeah it's fine

[digital sky]

Omg finally

Live laugh lightning

[cunning gull]

but u have vita so use her instead

[digital sky]

Hofiless

[cunning gull]

pain

[digital sky]

Exactly

[cunning gull]

err idk if lp lv vbm would be better than paws, you can look at bili bili refs

[digital sky]

I can see lp being better like killing the rest of the shield

[crude cloak]

Does Lantern even need Bleed

[digital sky]

Oh does she not?
I was basing it off of the MA i think

[cunning gull]

gotta check in but ik she needs fast attack

[crude cloak]

Does she take extra damage when Bleed is applied?

[crude cloak]

Cuz the mechanics don't need it

[digital sky]

Oh

Whoopsies

[cunning gull]

yeah ig that's for the bleed variant of lamp boss

[digital sky]

Helia Badum HoH it is.

Sorry

[vernal terrace]

Just hitcount

[boreal eagle]

time to do abyss whats the best team ?

[fierce crypt]

Sus bita helia

[willow wedge]

OK, so I currently have only one P2 character, Coralie, and I'm a returnee so can only pull on Coralie's next banner. Do I just, not perform in abyss until like, next year since I don't wanna backpull? 😂 I have P1 teams that help me retain agony floor, but I'm guessing I'll only be competitive next year, right?

[open bone]

You can probably get agony 3 as soon as you pull 8.4

Redlotus might take 8.5 or 8.6 if you consistantly pull

But 8.4 is a breach valk and 8.5 is CNY so there should be good value

[steady osprey]

8.5 is already cny?

[open bone]

CN ani

Sorry

[manic seal]

just making sure because I encountered it in story

is palatinus equinox always on the horse??

[quasi pier]

no, she can get off the horse

[crude cloak]

She's essentially wearing her horse

[manic seal]

Is there any reward to doing the ch28 fight on hard?

[quasi pier]

no

none of the boss fights give a reward by doing them on hard mode

[formal wigeon]

nor give less for doing on easy

[manic seal]

Normal ch27 otto beat me up the first time because i didn't follow the pillars mechanic and got nuked and i really don't feel like slowing down the story with a repeat again

[crude cloak]

Yeah, it's completely up to you

I find hard mode more immersive

[calm haven]

hi! I’m a returnee. I just rolled for the new helia and got all her stigs, everything but her weapon.

any tips? Things I should know? Team comps?

[steady osprey]

1st tip is get weapon

team comp paws go with hohe new dk, sushang, lolidudu and badum

others valk only act as slot filler. u may get some universal buffs but more important without the four valks above u will have trouble gaining SP which is the core mechanic of helia's ring, doubled if u dont have weapon

[calm haven]

I have hohe, but none of the rest

would hohe still be good with her old weap fully upgraded?

[steady osprey]

hohe need her new divine key

old weap doesnt work

[lament prairie]

No synergy with new teams without her dkey

Also solon is useless without her dkey so don't craft any Solon until you own the dkey (or ignore her entirely I just got here idk if ur ely simp or what)

[steady osprey]

if no valks u can go with coralie and old helia

slot filler though

[lament prairie]

Oh nvm I stupid, yeah you can ignore HoH even with her new dkey she turned out to be a bit mid outside of specific niches

[calm haven]

ely is way past her prime I see

[steady osprey]

GoI support doesnt do much u only need them to get SP chunk in SO

[lament prairie]

Yeah and they also just wasted an opportunity to make her really good in the new team type

And just made her mid instead

Really sad

Not worth pulling the dkey in your case

[calm haven]

[steady osprey]

hoyo standing point is for u to use new dk with SS+ hohe

[lament prairie]

That too

[calm haven]

I remember when she was the peak of meta … the golden days ………

[steady osprey]

no? hohe was never peak lol
yes she has her boss but tbh not as OP as 7t hot for example

[lament prairie]

Anyway u came back at a good time tbh, whats the state of your acc? In most cases it is better to start a new one

[calm haven]

I’ve been debating just making a new account but I wanna keep going on my current because of asuka .

I have asuka full maxed so

I’m not ready to let go

[lament prairie]

Ah I see yeah that's bragging rights

I mean you could keep the login to this acc and just login to it anytime you wanna play asuka but I understand wanting it on one acc

You can keep this one, you got helia already right? Working on weapon?

[calm haven]

peak ice unit back then I meant

I’m at 10 pity till her weap

[lament prairie]

HoH was a good valk, she just didn't really meet "Herrscher" expectations she performed more like a typical S-rank

[steady osprey]

sss hepha and sss twinscythe was actually kira's boss imo
promoting Star Dance and HP loss atk

[lament prairie]

But everyone had her bc it was Ely so if you didn't pull you were fucked anyway

[lament prairie]

Technically every boss was a support boss back then but I see what you mean

[steady osprey]

sss mht was ely boss alright

just bc raven was benched lol

[formal wigeon]

yeah but the other Ely

Hoh needed giga ranks to contest that

[spiral raven]

hoh mid

[dusky mantle]

Omg

Ascencion supply lamp is back

[languid moth]

I might pull a gamer move

[dusky mantle]

Whales

[pale musk]

Sushang/Vita
for 3rd support do I use S Bad-um or S2 Helia?

[full trench]

helia

[languid moth]

First time though

[naive shoal]

what does variable arms mean?

[cunning gull]

in er deep sequence, there's a blue text with that word that you can click to know

the tldr is that it deals its own dmg to the enemy based on the FC signets that you pick

[craggy ivy]

Helibad or fish skip for lamp boss, no rs or ps

[fierce crypt]

ded

[craggy ivy]

Is for slacc lotus

[spiral raven]

just depends on ur bracket

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[craggy ivy]

[spiral raven]

our d should be much lower than 528 tho

idk what d it is

[craggy ivy]

am fucking up transition too much

516 rn

[boreal eagle]

i dun feel like doing abyss someone has a ref for s2 sushang so i can one tap?

[eager smelt]

just unga bunga the run is basically the same as last time it ran

[boreal eagle]

but now there is helia instead of badum

unga bunga

[modern yew]

Fws, ps, or paws dps for sss flower, and which support, vita and hohe wont be available and i dont have sprokle and rs

[lapis raven]

sss flower?

u mean rimestar?

[modern yew]

Yes

[lapis raven]

ps pa fws shd get 39920 iirc

[modern yew]

Ok thanks

[lapis raven]

39906

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1dy3uzYEHr

[boreal eagle]

i dun remember in abyss evading the atk after p2 gives some buffs ?

[red crane]

Is there a list of all Void Cube's arse

[buoyant thistle]

Which one is my stronger dps?

Which team i cloud make?

[crude cloak]

In Abyss you can run Ely Sushang Pardo

How old is this acc though?

[buoyant thistle]

How I check?

[crude cloak]

"Login" in the phone in the bottom right of the main menu
Do you have Starter Manual?

[buoyant thistle]

Starter manual? Idk what is

[buoyant thistle]

2023-08-29

[crude cloak]

The book in the bottom middle of the main menu
If you don't have it, I strongly suggest you make a new acc, beginner benefits are massive, and you're hella broke on your current acc

If all the pulls went into the main valk banner (not Starter and not Dorm) you can keep it if you really wanna

[buoyant thistle]

17 left

[buoyant thistle]

Never pulled in normal banner. Only event

Also if account is old I have 65 day activity

[crude cloak]

That's the banner I meant by the main one
You somehow have Ely, did you spend crystals on her in the past?

[buoyant thistle]

Yes

When I started play

[crude cloak]

Yeah, that's a lot of crystals lost

Ideally make a new acc, but if you see yourself quitting again in the future you can stay on this one

[buoyant thistle]

Why crystal lost?

And anyway I just bought BP and crystal daily

[crude cloak]

Because Ely is useless nowadays without her new gear set (which is not worth getting atp)
If you're playing more for collecting purposes and story it doesn't matter nearly as much

But if you actually wanna be playing Abyss and stuff you need better valks

[buoyant thistle]

Can't i get her new gear?

[crude cloak]

You can, but it's very likely her use cases will be very limited for you because of her team requirements

[crude cloak]

Also we don't know when it'll rerun

[buoyant thistle]

Arn't those the gear?

[crude cloak]

That's the old set

Her new set is Flawless Benediction: Legacy and Solon

[buoyant thistle]

The pg I'm pulling rn. Is good?

[half hatch]

also preferably don't listen to in game guides

[buoyant thistle]

Where to find good ones then?

[half hatch]

ask here

[crude cloak]

Yes, but you also need to get her weapon

[buoyant thistle]

Can craft it?

[crude cloak]

Nope, only gacha
Stigmata are craftable (you're likely to get the entire set while pulling the weap though)

[buoyant thistle]

I don't think I should ask everything here. I have so many questions that a day would not be enough. I don't know anything about this game I just leveled up and took the characters I like. I don't even know what is abbys, I don't find it

[half hatch]

that's excactly what this channel is for

[crude cloak]

Abyss is either Q-Manifold or Superstring Dimension depending on your level (the latter in your case)

[buoyant thistle]

So i shall stop trying to get her if I can't get the weapon?

[crude cloak]

Save up 60 pulls and spend the excess on the valk

[half hatch]

and we don't mind it's not like we get hundreds of questions per hour

it's nice to finally help someone lmao

[buoyant thistle]

Wdym

[buoyant thistle]

Fine. Thx

[crude cloak]

Do check #👶beginner-help pins, they have a lot of useful info

This is a good starting point

Oops, wrong one

!faq lost

[night parcel]

Feeling Lost?

I got this, Captain!

The following guides are a good starting point to help you feel like you know what you're supposed to be doing as Captain of the Hyperion!

See the channel pins of #👶beginner-help for more:

• Account Progression Pointers: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• What to pull right now: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Valkyries you should buy for Asterite: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Clearing up misconceptions about the meta: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[half hatch]

i'm getting jealous this looks to easy

[full trench]

wow flexing ur new faq powers smh

[crude cloak]

Don't ever go below 16.8k crystals (or the equivalent of that in tickets) before you get the valk

That way if you get the valk you can guarantee the weapon

[buoyant thistle]

I shall take the weapon before get helia? And anyway is so hard farm gem in this game. I think is impossible get 60 pull in 9 day

[crude cloak]

And if you don't, the pity will carry over

[crude cloak]

No, I just meant to keep 60 pulls on your balance

[buoyant thistle]

I keep it for the characters I have to take, no?

[rigid cedar]

pull character, dont go below 60 pulls in remaining crystals basically

[crude cloak]

Save up 60 pulls -> spend the excess on Helia -> if you get Helia, spend the 60 pulls you saved up before on Helia's weapon

[buoyant thistle]

So I never have to go under 60 pulls

[crude cloak]

Not before you get the valk

If you don't wanna grind you can just save until the next patch

[buoyant thistle]

What shall I do now? I have the valk guardanted in 17 pull. But no pull in storage

[crude cloak]

Start saving up 60 pulls

[buoyant thistle]

But i have 9 day to get her

And I don't think I'll take vita in next banner

I don't like much her gameplay

[crude cloak]

Yeah, Vita's not worth atp

Getting enough crystals in 9 days is very difficult, you can just save until the next patch if you don't wanna grind

[buoyant thistle]

So i take the valk rn and then next banner her weapon?

[crude cloak]

No
You don't ever wanna have a weapless valk, you either get both or neither
Saving up 60 pulls is precisely for getting either both or neither

We don't know when Helia will rerun next time
Could be next patch, could be in the one after the next

[buoyant thistle]

Can't i get the weapon in BP with the balls?

[vernal terrace]

Yellow Mango when

[crude cloak]

BP doesn't have weapons of new valks

[rigid cedar]

BP is only for older valks, they will never offer new valk stuff in there

[buoyant thistle]

It have some useful valk? I have 10 balls rn. And if I finish the bp more

[spiral raven]

anything in there will not be useful for u at least, other than dks

[rigid cedar]

not valks, you want divine key weapons out of bp

[crude cloak]

Not in your case, you can just save the balls for now

Or buy the Divine Key weaps, yeah

[crude cloak]

For example, you can get Might of An-Utu rn (not to actually use, but to get passive acc-wide +10 ATK)

[spiral raven]

anything goes into bp are generally old and already starts dropping in terms of prevalance

[rigid cedar]

which is to say, not everything is useless

just very niche, especially reserve works

[crude cloak]

Useless for you specifically rn though

[rigid cedar]

gotta cover the basics and general team lineups first before you go for niches

[buoyant thistle]

What shall I do to earn crystal? Story quest?

[spiral raven]

story and abyss

pushing story far enough also unlocks er, or do u now get it without needing to prev stories idk
but if u can do er thats also more weekly crystals

[crude cloak]

You unlock ER at lvl 50 (they're at lvl 82 alr)

[full trench]

u get it without story it just unlocks at level 50

[spiral raven]

i see

[buoyant thistle]

Abbys is only 100 gems to me for now

How it will pay higher lvl?

[crude cloak]

The rewards depend on your current rank
You can check the rewards for each rank by clicking on your current one

[spiral raven]

getting to red lotus is the standard kinda, which gets u 400 for retaining and clearing itself gives like 100, abyss occurs twice in a week, so in a week you get around 1k

[crude cloak]

Also keep in mind that there are rewards for clearing (the 100 you've mentioned) and finalization rewards (these depend on the rank)

[buoyant thistle]

Which story?

[spiral raven]

all

[crude cloak]

Part 1 story is faster

If you aren't at the open world chapters alr that is

[crude cloak]

(so, before 25th iirc)

[buoyant thistle]

Those?

[crude cloak]

Yes
How far are you rn? 29-31?

[small salmon]

for lantern, which 10cost is better? does her weapon switching skill do dmg or does it only count for triggering weapon skill conditions?

[buoyant thistle]

Just started ig

[crude cloak]

Yeah, ok, you defo won't manage to save up enough in that case

[buoyant thistle]

this was obvious

[crude cloak]

Not necessarily
If your story progress was a lot lower it would be doable

[buoyant thistle]

I think still not enough for 60 pull

[rigid cedar]

you constantly do weapon skills on her and enemy taken buffs are more valuable

[crude cloak]

Actually idk whether the latter is the case in ER

iirc Adori prioritized regular ones in signet picks

[rigid cedar]

for early, it definitely is

later you inflate on everything anyway

it would depend on her build and which buffs she goes for preferably

[rigid cedar]

from her signature wep
Throws 1 additional Piercing Blade when casting Firepower Rotation; CD: 1.4s. The Piercing Blade explodes on hit, dealing 110.7% (150% at 6★) ATK of Fire DMG as weapon skill DMG.

so the buff 100% will be triggered

[small salmon]

okay, thanks

[strange raft]

What’s the best team against sss rimestar?

If vita, hofi, carolie locked to sss chicken

[thick aspen]

sushang sparkle helia

[lament prairie]

are there any recent good examples of personal elemental breach buffs rather than teamwide buffs

[crude cloak]

How recent are we talking?

[lament prairie]

p2

[crude cloak]

[lament prairie]

p2 valk skills are so everywhere that I can't really find an example of a big one that's simple

[crude cloak]

ik only Phys Breach on Sera
And Impair on all Phys P2 valks ofc
Lemme try to look it up

[lament prairie]

I'm back on my breach faq brainrot

even HoFi's isn't simple its broken down into stacks and HoHs is split between her forms

[crude cloak]

Wait, don't leader skills of P2 valks have Ele Breach

At the very least PAWS's does

Or do you need smth that can't be always active

[lament prairie]

no something that is always active would be a perfect example

are u sure its breach? I can't see it on PAWS leader skill

[thick aspen]

pretty much every single recent valk has some amount of personal breach

thats paws

[crude cloak]

The second subskill

[lament prairie]

oh xD

6% bru

[crude cloak]

Do you need a higher value

[lament prairie]

something around 14% would be great yeah

or more

but

waaaaaaa

[crude cloak]

Is that crying or being surprised

[weak drum]

stop crying you filthy land animal

[thick aspen]

its how whales communicate

[crude cloak]

lmfao

[lament prairie]

I never thought it'd be so hard to find a valk that has a decent amount of personal ele breach

[weak drum]

oh then why is teammate not picking it up

[lament prairie]

damn all this every valk is a support

[thick aspen]

seems 6% is the standard

[lament prairie]

I guess I could use HoR or HoT as an example but its gonna make the faq seem so outdated

[thick aspen]

everyone has 6%

[lament prairie]

what am I supposed to show with such a small number

bleh

might have to use FoV

I assume Lunas is some kind of team buff

does HoO not have ele breach? fake herrscher

[thick aspen]

luna just has 18% personal

[lament prairie]

oh that might do

[mortal jetty]

Fov is really old tho

[lament prairie]

I know

but at least a lot more recent than the current examples AE and HoR

[thick aspen]

she also has 17% buff for tteam

[lament prairie]

ykw I might just not use any valk as an example so it can never become outdated

[thick aspen]

does that stack

[lament prairie]

I'll make up an example scenario idk why I'm overcomplicating it

[thick aspen]

heckin breach monster

[lament prairie]

xd

[crude cloak]

Found 10% on Thele

Actually, wait

[lament prairie]

I wanted to give an example of the difference between a team breach buff and a personal breach buff to show which ones stack

[thick aspen]

thats some nice elemental resistance there.. would be shame if anything happened to it..

[crude cloak]

I think it's 14% with another buff, lemme double check

[lament prairie]

but its not really necessary is it

if someone can't figure out the difference between team vs personal buffs, breach is the last of their concerns anyway

right?

[crude cloak]

+4% from CA skill and +10% from one of AR skills during SO when WS is active

[lament prairie]

ya this is what I hate about p2 examples its tied to one specific ring

[crude cloak]

I mean, WS has 2 Breach sources

[lament prairie]

ya but still

[crude cloak]

||3 in 8.4||

[crude cloak]

ig not really

[lament prairie]

I'll just mention Luna's 18% cuz thats straightforward even if its not really recent

[crude cloak]

Do you need smth better or will that suffice

[crude cloak]

[lament prairie]

or just not mention a specific valk

lole

[crude cloak]

Imejin if I find another example and it's Badum

[vernal terrace]

[crude cloak]

Nope, not Badum

[lament prairie]

rather die

I've sorted it anyway I used Luna's value but didn't specify it's Luna

ez

[crude cloak]

Should've specified it's LV to reenact the propaganda

(it's beating a dead horse ofc)

[thick aspen]

but thats only after teammate with a paralyze or bleed tag has ulted

[crude cloak]

For sure less conditions than with Thele

[lament prairie]

its fine I've opted to just ignore conditions and give a fixed value for the example

I didn't change much tbf just cut down one of the really long explanations so its technically not even mine

[crude cloak]

The question is how are you gonna figure out Phys Breach

Afaik the alr existing FAQ doesn't explain it well (cuz it wasn't really a thing), and iirc testing it out produced some weird results

[thick aspen]

who is this Jizo the faq speaks of

[crude cloak]

idk man, but for whatever reason I'm getting strong vibes that I don't wanna know

[thick aspen]

oh its that boss from sakura samsara open world

[crude cloak]

Wait, it was a genuine question? 😭

Didn't you start in like 6.3

[thick aspen]

no

[crude cloak]

Damn, I ruined the joke

[thick aspen]

but i dont think anyone has seen him outside of the ow story

for a good while

[crude cloak]

None of the current players for sure

[thick aspen]

oh hes probably in some stress tests too

sim battle..

nobody does sim battle

[crude cloak]

Is there MA Jizo btw, I forgor

[thick aspen]

ofc

[quasi pier]

"Jizo has high elemental resistance"

[thick aspen]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Yq6JYDEQd/

its only been half a year

[outer cloud]

How do you get over 900 attritube

[steady osprey]

use the 2 travel items

they give +14 bonus stat/event each time u choose the events which are not specified stat training

[lament prairie]

It's pretty simple it acts the same as impair, they're both applied to DEF. I just never got around to writing it up

[lapis raven]

oh shit

@crude cloak gz on piss

[pale musk]

what score should I be expecting with this in D544 Nirv?

I'm plateauing around 747

ok 754

[dusky mantle]

Maybe 760?

[pale musk]

Cool, ty

[cursive radish]

I’m anybody know how to beat floor 16 of this one elysian realm level? I always run out of time before i can kill a single enemy they’re all damage sponges

I dont even get to fight the boss

[spiral raven]

do u know how nexus signets work

u want to unlock cores and get the appropriate buff

and rn r u still forced on mei or are u able to use anyone

try reading the exclusive signets offered to you at the start, they generally tell you the playstyle

[cursive radish]

Still stuck on mei

[cursive radish]

The ones that unlock when you get three of the same?

[spiral raven]

ya but for mei, at the start you get to pick your exclusive signets, for mei. you might observe that these two blessing wants you to priortising doing damage via basic atk

and these means that you will want ot prioritise ulting

just follow one path and stick with it

and thne when you grab buffs, pick the ones that suit your style,

[dusky mantle]

Bring back unlimited dragon mei

[fickle elbow]

https://youtu.be/jq66ZnL2FEI?si=glM6KfsF_fsN-ldi how to improve this run even further

[elfin parrot]

i'm not sure what the purpose was for sushang and vita's weapon actives at the start. These ended up delaying your vita mech mode weapon active > enhanced basic attack.

• you can opt to swap to vita at the start, then wait until the end of the first alarm ring to weapon active and mash. watch your sp bar. ideally you would be at 99 or 100 when the final hit happens to make you reach just enough to ult at 125 (notice how your video has excess sp)
• maybe take a look at hieu le's nirvana run for this. I don't expect you to copy this exactly but just get an idea of how certain bits and pieces are done.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHwl_9QBWVQ

i don't think helia ever has any reason to overextend her attacks besides qte > ult unless maybe if you want to paralyze the boss which isn't relevant here

you may want to figure out how to reroute your first phase so it ends on sushang. Perhaps removing helia's extended portion and maybe cycling across teammates back to sushang a second time can achieve this.

• maybe delay helia's ult to this second swap in. That ult mainly has the purposes of triggering stellar drain, and resetting leader swap cd (which was already done from vita's enhanced basic in the first team cycle)

======
for transition if you are able to reach back to sushang for it, look up references to see how they handle it efficiently. Using sushang's ult here can be viable since you seem to have plenty of damage for p2, but it's typically consumed on the last two of the five clones.

keep in mind the umbrella throws you may observe from it are probably going to be evade enemy attack > basic attack (and not weapon attack. Weapon active will put you high in the air)

• there might be some advanaced tech going on. Whenever sushang tosses out her umbrella, you can delay the umbrella returning by making sushang do actions such as evading while the umbrella spinning animation is happening for more hits, which can be enough to take out a whole clone.

=====
you seem to have excessive damage in phase 2 from using the outburst. maybe see if you can omit vita's stellar shift qte entirely since it's quite slow. If you still wind up with lacking damage maybe see if you can omit sushang's last weapon actives too for each stellar shift qte too.

• if you wind up lacking damage, maybe see if you can do some QTEs from helia and vita before starting outburst. A QTE from them every 16s will cause heavenly link which deals greater damage scaling from the leader (and you can check when it happens because it also restores 15 ARI)
  • if you end up saving sushang's ult in transition and relying on vita to clear out the last two clones, then you'll probably consume her heavenly link and it won't come back in time, so you can skip vita and just aim to qte helia instead

@fickle elbow let us know if there's anything you don't understand. hope that helps

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

was this reaction necessary lol

[vernal terrace]

No-
But seems like something I do if didn't know rotation

[elfin parrot]

i feel people might interpret it in wrong ways so be mindful

we want to be encouraging here and not possibly judging, berating, shocked as in "wtf are you doing", or anything else possibly negative or discouraging

not saying you're necessarily intending of these things but it's hard to be clear when there's a lack of words

but i digress

[vernal terrace]

Alright

[elfin parrot]

you're fine for the most part. don't worry about it too much lol

just wanted to give some possible awareness

[full trench]

i don't think it's going to be necessary but you can also jump/evade after sushang qte to let the projectile stay for a bit longer and/or do basic 1 before combo atk for more damage

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

meanwhile i just have the problem of overly explaining and making things seem alot worse than they really are

[vernal terrace]

[fickle elbow]

So after omitting Helia’s Weapon skill

[open bone]

Gz

[fickle elbow]

I still have no idea how to time Vita right

There’s a run where I have her at 126 before Ult

And one at 128

Thing is idk how I did that

[elfin parrot]

it's pretty marginal. You have bigger fishes of time to get for the most part so don't stress over it too much for now

but again the video i linked does demonstrate it

[mortal jetty]

Vita ult should be 996 or high 995... you can transform when you hear first beep

Vita ult 996-> helia qte+ult-> sus qte weapon +ult+ charged attack without follow up-> helia qte+ ult to refresh sus qte-> sus qte +weapon CA+follow up.. boss die and you can stay on sus for transition

When you see the red circle on the ground you can spam a until sus throw her umbrella on first clone and try to dodge the bullet to extend sus umbrella

Perfect transition will be spam aa until she throw her umbrella dodge a dodge dodge a dodge weapon activ... if you do it well you can clear the 3 first clone and you can clear the last two with vita or sus ult

[fickle elbow]

It’s always on 994 unfortunately

So…this happened

https://youtu.be/0PUoRdwewfI?si=-2Zj7437LqjxV1zl

I don’t think I’ll try to push it, since I’m already top 1 on the bracket

Let’s just hope that if I drop, lowest I get is 3rd place

[mortal jetty]

You are slow with vita. Tho... do you really need to SO in p1?

[fickle elbow]

Wdym?

[mortal jetty]

On ult

You don't need vita super qte in p1 ..you are losing too much time

[fickle elbow]

That one does give 20 charge iirc

[mortal jetty]

In ago 2 you should be able to do atleast 830 if youbtry

[fickle elbow]

So…uh, I don’t actually have Vita and Sus weapon

[mortal jetty]

Its not about 20 charge...you are overkilling p1 and you waste sus damage in transition

[mortal jetty]

Yeah but still..you are still overkilling

[fickle elbow]

And I don’t think I wasted anything because Vita’s buff already ran out at that point?

[mortal jetty]

What is ago 2 D?

[fickle elbow]

D?

[mortal jetty]

Disturbance

[fickle elbow]

You mean disturbance?

[mortal jetty]

Yes

[fickle elbow]

455

[mortal jetty]

Try the run i sent you

505D RL run

You are 50D less which is a lot

Damage should be similar

[fickle elbow]

Question

After I do joint ATK combo after QTE

My Weapon Skill CD is not reset

Is it a sig weapon thing?

[mortal jetty]

Which join attack

[fickle elbow]

The one you hold ATK button when you have full bar

[elfin parrot]

oh i missed that you have teri op. I think i would still urge trying not outbursting in p1 and saving it for p2.

If you still want to try p1 outburst to reach a second outburst in p2 then try to end p1 with sushang to handle early transition (so vita > ps perhaps. Or maybe helia > ps and see if you can find some downtime to burn vita's stellar shift qte on. Maybe the transition? but i would imagine it's quite slow there too)

[mortal jetty]

If you mean vita super qte in transition...then its bad

[elfin parrot]

ok scratch that then. I thought i vaguely heard something about it

[elfin parrot]

anyway check sushang's weapon description. iirc the weapon cd restoration is from killing an enemy with the weapon active?
Edit: https://i.imgur.com/3S7FTB2.png

[mortal jetty]

You don't have weapon reset?

[elfin parrot]

but rather than weapon actives you may want to explore evading enemy attack to quick jump to sushang's basic 4 (umbrella throw)

[fickle elbow]

This 1000% explains it

[elfin parrot]

just need to make sure PS is killing an enemy including the clones

[fickle elbow]

…

I don’t have this thing

[elfin parrot]

but the first part of the weapon active alone wouldn't be enough

oh you don't have her weapon?

[fickle elbow]

Yes

I’ve been trying to say that

[elfin parrot]

ok hang on there's something else you need to be wary of then

no nevermind i mixed up bleed trauma with bleed ticks

[fickle elbow]

I also do not have Vita’s Weapon

So the thing about skipping Vita’s QTE is no good

[elfin parrot]

i'm not as concerned about that. You clearly can get enough ARI which is what vita's weapon mainly offers

[fickle elbow]

Oh wait nvm

[elfin parrot]

but all the more reason for you to omit vita's super qte in the one outburst plan if you can

heavenly link QTEs scale off the leader so that's not as concerning there either

[fickle elbow]

Maybe Outburst for the last clone?

[elfin parrot]

asaphie already said vita stellar shift in transition is bad

[mortal jetty]

Instead of vita super qte in.p1 try helia+ sus super qte so that you can do transition with sus...
You can use vita super qte in p2

[fickle elbow]

Vita super QTE doesn’t actually provide her buff, right?

[elfin parrot]

outburst itself refreshes her buff

but the qte itself does not

[mortal jetty]

In your case you will need to ult on the two last clone with sus.. but the three first clone you need to do like in my video

[fickle elbow]

*outburst trigger her buffs

[elfin parrot]

anyway i don't think you need PS' own weapon to smoothly handle transition but we might have to be a bit more creative here

only two clones spawn at a time and there are 5 clones total

[fickle elbow]

And I cannot do that unless I can trigger Sus’s QTE doing transit

[vernal terrace]

Maybe more than what score I have in A3

[mortal jetty]

Why do you need sus qte in transition ? If you super qte with sus in p1..should be enough to kill the boss

[fickle elbow]

Yes

[mortal jetty]

Just stay on sushang

[fickle elbow]

But weapon skill Cd will not reset

[elfin parrot]

you may not need that

[fickle elbow]

So I can’t even throw out the umbrella

[mortal jetty]

You can throw umbrella

[elfin parrot]

ok hang on i warned about this earlier but the umbrella throwing animation has two forms with similar effects

one is weapon active which we only get one use of

the other is evade enemy attack > ba4

or just ba 1 2 3 4 but this is prob more tricky or not enough time to set up

[mortal jetty]

You can also spam aaa to throw umbrella

[fickle elbow]

Eh…

Fr?

[mortal jetty]

Not trick if you do it before the the red circle spawn

[fickle elbow]

So how to extend her umbrella?

[elfin parrot]

ba4 has a tidbit you need to keep in mind. If you just play it out neutrally it will return early and will not kill the clone

[mortal jetty]

Dodge

[elfin parrot]

you need to extend its duration just by keeping sushang busy while it's spinning

[dusty dagger]

[elfin parrot]

usually evade but attacking can work too iirc

[mortal jetty]

Attacking is bad

[elfin parrot]

but in this case you would want to evade upcoming bullets from the first clone

[mortal jetty]

You will fuck up the transition if you attack

[elfin parrot]

asaphie i'm trying to explain things generally and foundationally before we talk about the specifics in the fight

they're already unaware of details so i'm trying to give a more full picture for future reference

[mortal jetty]

Yeah I know but we generally don't attack to extend it... it was the same on HoC

I don't want him/her to be confused

[elfin parrot]

i think i did it on husk but i think evading works slightly better anyway so i see your point but even still i think it's good to have in mind esp if it becomes a slightly slower but easier option

fair but to me they already are running into issues due to a lack of knowledge

if they express confusion then i would definitely disregard it more

[fickle elbow]

I’ll try a run and get to the point of transit

[elfin parrot]

anyway i personally don't find the extension to be the most consistent

[fickle elbow]

Then we can continue there

Ig

[elfin parrot]

so if you want something more practical then we can discuss slower alternatives

we can probably figure out a distribution of what animations we can use to handle the five clones

so something like evade the carpet bomb > ba4 the first clone (no extension so it's still alive) > second stage weapon active on second clone (this can one shot a clone). Weapon active i think should still be preserved? So throw the first stage on the first clone to finish it off then second stage on third clone to kill that too. Then PS ult or vita the last two clones

if we're going by one outburst only on p2 then paws qte is available for some hitcount too i suppose but this is prob not too ideal

you can panic into it if a third clone before the last two survives

[fickle elbow]

Okay do

[mortal jetty]

If you manage a good timing...helia qte can be an option yes

[fickle elbow]

*so

[elfin parrot]

whatever i wrote is just a backup plan. Maybe play try out the fastest option first which is extending ba4s

[fickle elbow]

I can probably go for Sus evade

[elfin parrot]

in that case look at hieu le's video. They mostly did it except for the third clone which they helia qte on for other purposes

[fickle elbow]

But that kinda means I have to evade on bomb carpet

[mortal jetty]

Yeah

[fickle elbow]

But that also means my umbrella might not reach first clone

So I’m kinda confused on that

[mortal jetty]

Or you can just spam aaa before the circle appear

[mortal jetty]

You need to delay it by 1s after dodge

Dodge-> 1s wait->a

[elfin parrot]

i personally don't think about the clone spawning as long as i evade the carpet bomb. You get pushed back to a particular point before it happens too so i just evade the row in front of me

although i will say the clone positions are fixed so if you change your starting point or move erratically then that can alter their relative distance from you

[mortal jetty]

Dodge carpet bomb is the same speed than spam aaa before red circle appear

[mint plover]

Asalao

[mortal jetty]

Dodge is better because of the +2 AR

[mint plover]

[mortal jetty]

Yo sencho prof

[elfin parrot]

yeah the ARI may be notable if you're doing double outburst strats

[mortal jetty]

Yes

[mortal jetty]

First time I am seeing you here

[elfin parrot]

yeah rare sencho sighting lol

[fickle elbow]

785 this time

I couldn’t perform transit very well

[elfin parrot]

it'll take a while to figure out a method and to learn it but you'll prob get an ample time save from it

or at least be ready for future reruns of this weather with it

you already said earlier you were first for now and what's important is you gain trophies so it's fine to take it easy if you're overwhelmed and assess the situation later when more people get their scores

[lapis raven]

785 sounds like s0 s teri score in nirv

[mortal jetty]

S teri 785 seems impossible tho... did someone get it?

[elfin parrot]

feel free to continue showing us what you're doing too

you can use https://streamable.com/ if you want a quick temporary place to throw a file that's less than 250mb but too big for discord

[mortal jetty]

Probably with fish shit?

[elfin parrot]

maybe you can spend some time playing with the extension early in the fight before transition too

just to make sure you have a feel for it before you do it for real in transition

[fickle elbow]

Streamable is 1000% not enough for these runs

[elfin parrot]

i'm not saying full runs

like maybe you can quickly clip the transition part to show us

[fickle elbow]

Anyways I found a way to have Sus do 3 first clones

[elfin parrot]

although full runs are more ideal in case some cooldown or buff timing ties into way earlier in the figut

[fickle elbow]

Well not really

[elfin parrot]

i wrote out a secondary method earlier too

[fickle elbow]

So I end with Vita, QTE into Helia, do her Ult which means I can now QTE Sus in

[lapis raven]

if anythijg im thinking with pa but eh

[elfin parrot]

when you say qte do you mean outburst

or no outburst

[lapis raven]

idt i hv s teri on my acc

[fickle elbow]

No outburst

[elfin parrot]

ok go on

[fickle elbow]

Since p1 combo I do Joint ATK from Sus only once

And skip Vita QTE

[elfin parrot]

hm you might want to qte vita in anyway

[fickle elbow]

If I do Sus Joint I feel like I’d lose out more time?

[mortal jetty]

Who got the 785 with s teri.. I am really curious now

[fickle elbow]

Hold up

[elfin parrot]

since you haven't qte vita at that point yet, and you get heavenly link to trigger for some PS damage

[fickle elbow]

Lemme try that

[lapis raven]

me in 30 mins trust

[fickle elbow]

No I mean try Sus with Joint and no weapon combo

I think her joint activation has some time slow?

The hold ATK button one

[mortal jetty]

On your NA account? Let me know if you get it

[elfin parrot]

time slow doesn't matter in abyss. it applies more to arena

but anyway generally speaking sushang's full meter hold attack and the joint after are only done when you really need the damage with no quick alternatives

some strats do opt for just the initial hold and skip the follow up joint too

so see how your damage is like with just QTE weapon and ult from sushang (skipping her meter) and cycling the team twice

if you're lacking then add in hold attacks from PS

optimization in hi3 is often a matter of a best fit

[elfin parrot]

also time slow can be quite bad if you're waiting on a boss to progress in a fight but they are being slowed down

[fickle elbow]

Ok so

[elfin parrot]

tbh the term you're probably more looking for is suspended animations. iirc Time slow refers to an actual status or state (often from time fracture but can have other sources)

suspended animations is a fan term where certain animations slows down action in the game. The game doesn't ever make this clear and it's just something you need to learn over time on a per attack basis

but i digress

[fickle elbow]

Sus joint skip is faster at p1

But during transit I will have to evade bomb

To bridge from Vita to Helia

[elfin parrot]

hm i feel at this point a recording may be best since we discussed alot of ideas and possible changes

the main thing i'm looking for is to go through p1 without outburst with cycling the team twice and ending on sushang

handle transition with sushang on the first three clones and then either vita or sushang ult the last two

then outburst PS > Helia > PS down p2

[lapis raven]

sai is this rl or nirv

[elfin parrot]

this is ag2

[lapis raven]

ps vita pa?

[elfin parrot]

starts here

[elfin parrot]

another here

[lapis raven]

a

[mortal jetty]

No sus and vita weapon

[lapis raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvIGuPtrQMQ

here, 814 rl s0 ps lp pa ss ds

[mortal jetty]

[lapis raven]

oh ok lowk still can follow maybe

[elfin parrot]

yeah maybe

[fickle elbow]

785 is probably where I’m comfortable with

Appreciate your help

[elfin parrot]

feel free to stop at any time esp with how lax ag2 prob is

but if you still want to improve or just learn more feel free to discuss further

and yeah glad to help

[mortal jetty]

[mint plover]

I usually come here to wacth but theres usually someone convering all the doubts, so no need for me to talk

[elfin parrot]

lately i feel the same alot too lol

there's been a few times i wanted to be more active to show i'm not dead or on full hiatus

but i would check both channels and see everyone already cleared all the recent questions

[mint plover]

You can always talk in #🎮honkai-chat without it being help related

[full trench]

ill spread misinfo so u guys have more time to shine

[mint plover]

[elfin parrot]

noty i rather be dead

[elfin parrot]

yeah i suppose so, esp in the cn channel lol

[dusty dagger]

[edgy hamlet]

tfw you spend a whole day in abyss wondering why your damage sucks and not realising to remove gene limits beforehand

(couldn't be me)

[eager smelt]

i spent a few cycles on ala vita

wondered why everything was so hard

[neon narwhal]

you're the 2nd one with that issue

wonder how many others doing the same thing

[edgy hamlet]

let's not tell them

[zealous minnow]

I start think this is my ranked skill hands

[mortal jetty]

You need to do your job tho

[mint plover]

im 100% sure transition can be sped up

[mortal jetty]

@half hatch how much did you get with ss teri in RL?

[half hatch]

uh like 840

can prob still get a few points from transition

ss teri isnt huge here though

S can prob score the same

[mortal jetty]

I thought maybe you can do 850 with double super qte

DS can 835

840 with SS teri seems hmm

[half hatch]

i need more demej for 850

could finish p1 like 5 points earlier and end p2 5-7 points earlier

can prob get to high 840ish but i dont see the point in malding here

i dislike the boss too much for that

[mortal jetty]

[lapis raven]

it is on sea 😔

sea needs to 2 SO for 830, one SO im at 821

[mortal jetty]

Where 785 with s teri?

[lapis raven]

i overestimated nirv dmg

omegadance

[mortal jetty]

Lol i was already wondering

785 with S teri seems crazy

Ss teri can barely 785-787

With perfect transition and damage

[rigid cedar]

is this transition good or can I somehow avoid the goofup at the end?

or anything else I missed?

[edgy hamlet]

What score should I be finishing P1 at in nirv?

[lapis raven]

920 minimally

[mortal jetty]

Slow transition

[mortal jetty]

Try this transition

[edgy hamlet]

ok so Im good in that section but idk where Im being so slow then

prob my transition too

[mortal jetty]

Maybe transition?

[edgy hamlet]

Ill post my run just a sec

[mortal jetty]

Okay

[rigid cedar]

and if I want to do 2 SO and can't qte into vita?

i usually clear phase 1 with just PS SO when i do that

[mortal jetty]

Try to spend vita super qte in p1 @rigid cedar

[mortal jetty]

The run looks fine tbh

Idk if my transition can help you to be faster but you cam try

[edgy hamlet]

I see someone get 794 but sync 2 of PS weapon otherwise same team

[edgy hamlet]

I can try yeah

[rigid cedar]

fine will do

[mortal jetty]

Full S0?

[edgy hamlet]

idk i can't tell

I assume so

[lapis raven]

actual whale

[mortal jetty]

How much did awawa get?

[edgy hamlet]

773

[mortal jetty]

What the slack

[edgy hamlet]

slacker caught

[mortal jetty]

I have a 792 run( 795 real score) -2D less than NA

Let me know if you want it

[edgy hamlet]

yes please lol

[mortal jetty]

792 here because transition was a bit trash

You can just copy transition i did in.my RL run

[edgy hamlet]

ok that should help a lot

[mortal jetty]

It was perfect transition

[edgy hamlet]

Do you have a link for that?

[mortal jetty]

@edgy hamlet

Rl run but with perfect transition

[mortal jetty]

@rigid cedar you want a 750 DS run?

[rigid cedar]

sure

I'd appreciate it

[vernal terrace]

DS for life

[sacred cape]

Is there gonna be like an fov adv this week or something

[vernal terrace]

FoV is returnee
Lampbad is Ascension

[rigid cedar]

a couple of questions

• whats the pause buffering for?
• is not doing the last PS sequence not losing out on damage?

ah i hit send too early

there we go

nvm for the last question, it's because the qte drain goes off cd

[mortal jetty]

Don't mind the pause... xD

[rigid cedar]

alright xd

not perfected yet, better than anything else though

i'm just afraid that it might not be enough

i will get every point out regardless

only uphill from there

[sacred cape]

What?

[modern yew]

Fov is in returnee, and lamp is in ascension(adv but p2) later this patch

[mortal jetty]

Can do more or cap?

[rigid cedar]

more

the bracket however

[dusty dagger]

Oh hey Tradey

[mortal jetty]

Maybe try to top 100 atleast

[rigid cedar]

a wild statement, but knowing EU's state that's realistic

[mortal jetty]

[red plank]

can anyone make me a PS/PAWS/Badum rot with S teri op

my brain is not into it

[lapis raven]

760 minimum tradey is gonna 780 for sure

[round arch]

Eu comes alive in helia weathers

[lapis raven]

"eu comes alive" yea we dont gotta lie here </3

[dusty dagger]

kekfacepalm~1

[granite crest]

Hey, how ya'll doin? I need your advice real quick. Which valk should I focus to full gear first? Her of Flamescion's stigma? or Dea Anchora's sig weapon? Thanks

[mortal jetty]

Both of them are already outdated.. we don't use them anymore

[rigid cedar]

what do you want to use them for?

if just for collecting, the weapon is faster i guess. Murata Himeko is kinda nice for Flamescion and Finality ER though

[weak oracle]

vita-helia or vita-badum for supports on current abyss?

[half hatch]

vita paws

[weak oracle]

hc shields?

tbh, sushang destroys them already.

[half hatch]

yeah helia is here for demej

LoA supports still deal a decent amount

[open bone]

Helia has type advantage so if you rotate her in she can do some dmg

[half hatch]

lantern also has M fire resist

so badum deals even less dmg

[weak oracle]

was it about dmg though? I mean, the supports are there for buffs

[half hatch]

LoA supports still contribute a good amount of dmg with heavenly link and stellar shift so you kinda have to look at both

[weak oracle]

helia's loa supporting seems strange. it's just one ult, right?

[open bone]

It’s ca -> her finisher ult

[weak oracle]

in SO, yeah. but in normal?

[half hatch]

yes, but this isnt really uncommon with LoA supports they have rather simple rotations

[open bone]

Oh, yeah, in a normal rot you just qte and ult

[half hatch]

also what rank is this

[weak oracle]

RL

[half hatch]

then maybe have a look at this run from asaphie take it as inspiration and adjust it to your needs

[mortal jetty]

You linked the nirvana run tho xD

[half hatch]

omg fr

ainoway

[half hatch]

can't find RL run rn

[weak oracle]

quoting certain fighting game character: "I have all I need!"

seriously, my run is sub-optimal, but it's still a retain, and retain is good

[half hatch]

if you're fine with that then dont worry about it just know that you can +100 with that team

[mortal jetty]

If you are fine with the current score then gg

[half hatch]

which may serve you as a sandbag for a weather which you can't brute force

[weak oracle]

i also know that. but i have no intention of forcing myself into nirvana, and honestly - there aren't many weathers that are painful

even starless sk or some other absurd trash is not an issue, since a lot of ppl don't score there a lot

[half hatch]

#💁gameplay-help message if you wanna give it a shot then have a look at it otherwise don't worry about it i'm just posting the link so that i actually provide the information needed lol

[weak oracle]

also next boss is melee hoc and she also must be a breeze (though I wonder what will be better - paws dps or sushang dps)

[half hatch]

paws

[quasi pier]

sushang isn't melee

[half hatch]

sushangs doesnt isnt meele or ranged

[quasi pier]

she's bleed