👶beginner-help

[sweet flax]

never

if you do want to use her, senti is fine (horb preferred if available) but 3rd teammate should always be ta or rs

[abstract sequoia]

need full gear on everyone

no exceptions

and even then it's up to chance if it excells

[hot wyvern]

Could run that for SS MA maybe

[sweet flax]

I CANT EVEN KILL THE PUPPETS LMFAO

[abstract sequoia]

okay its not that bad

PE shits on kevin still

[amber finch]

sss pe with rs support got 730

[abstract sequoia]

for MA at least

[hot wyvern]

Then you're up against the army of RS

[sweet flax]

using rs as a support on her own weather is something else

[abstract sequoia]

second best option i'd say

[amber finch]

[narrow heron]

wait why is RS also a Durandal did she shrink in part 2 lol

[sweet flax]

spoiler territory

[narrow heron]

ok

[amber finch]

ask in #📚honkai-lore

[abstract sequoia]

play newer p2 chapters

[sweet flax]

honkai lore is full of spoilers

[amber finch]

[abstract sequoia]

it should be ch5 onwards but tbh do p2 in order

[hot wyvern]

Playing hsr without hi3 first is already a spoiler itself

[abstract sequoia]

bruh

[narrow heron]

nah

[abstract sequoia]

misinfo statement

[sweet flax]

hsr had nothing to do with hi3 outside "oh I know that chara" until like end of most recent planet with references and current planet

and either way this is off topic

[abstract sequoia]

and spoiler teritory for hsr

[sweet flax]

the real spoiler for hsr is hi3 er chapters

[abstract sequoia]

trueee

[sweet flax]

what if

[narrow heron]

I came back to play hi3rd partially for doing the er story after hsr reached the new planet lol

[sweet flax]

I dont use vita and go lantern thel on songque

[gloomy acorn]

Speed but no dmg when issue is dmg

Won't go well but worth a try ig

[narrow heron]

I and luckily I can get senti from the box I got from the outfit banner lol

[sweet flax]

ye this has 0 dmg

[shadow gyro]

if i were to try badum, songque team on this abyss (no dudu) would vita be my best option for the last slot if i don't have sparkle
i have hohe but ehh idk

[sweet flax]

idk I should so later or at this point though

[gloomy acorn]

Yeah vita

[gloomy acorn]

Eu has the luxury to skip SO for p1?

[sweet flax]

the luxury of going <700 points if I do

[shadow gyro]

i don't suppose that theres a ref for what ill try so for now ill just spam badum and songque and use vita whenever i need to refresh the buff
(abyss is giving me brain dmg)

[gloomy acorn]

She's already <700 for me

No sera too cooked for 2nd SO

[sweet flax]

even with sera 2nd so doesnt come fast enough to get a good score

[gloomy acorn]

Just run nornal badummy team yeah

[sweet flax]

the fact that fws/jds/tfm without activating so once is my highest scoring team 😭

[gloomy acorn]

Isok next boss img flower

[sweet flax]

that is not ok

[gloomy acorn]

Surely trio still holds topscore

[sweet flax]

HOYOOOO release another img valk with great supportive capabilities in p2

AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

because what the fuck am I gonna do in trio weather

wait

I got a bajillion dollar idea

hofi dps but with p2 supports

[gloomy acorn]

No

Mei gives a fuck ton of kiana buffs

[sweet flax]

a geared mei does

[abstract sequoia]

reign solaris

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-anime-girl-annoyed-anime-girl-gif-11942012416213248789

[outer spruce]

pardo 2 trust

[frozen crypt]

HOYOOOOO release a non dogshit SD valk and my life is yoursss

SD valks try not to miss attacks challenge impossible

[abstract sequoia]

Senadina

[outer spruce]

she dies too fast to miss

[abstract sequoia]

problem is that she's a glass cannon

[narrow heron]

Is the pity 100 instead of 90 on adv?

[sweet flax]

S rank sirin

[sweet flax]

ye, since its a p1 unit

[outer spruce]

using sena dps against HoC be like

[narrow heron]

What about the weapon? Is that also 70?

[sweet flax]

weapon since its the dkey uses p2 banners, 60 rolls to garuntee, pity carries over

[narrow heron]

Should I get the weapon and not HoFi lol

Maybe HoFi will get added to some shop or giveaway sometime in the future

I can pull a bit on the weapon banner and the pity carries anyways

[frozen crypt]

misses her gather constantly

used to be a lot worse before hoyo fixed her as well

[gloomy acorn]

Then we have songque that doesn't miss attacks but... yeah

[sweet flax]

ok lesson learned, holy shit that was terrible

[frozen crypt]

she does miss attacks

she misses her qte on quite a few bosses, especially epernay

[shadow gyro]

eh no, by the time hofi is given for free again is when she will be no longer relevant

[gloomy acorn]

[frozen crypt]

also on some occasions she'll just have 1 less shadow frame after qte for no reason

[narrow heron]

As a casual player, which is in my handle, I don’t care about meta relevancy, so as long as I can get the characters I wanna get and gear them with their proper weapons and teams I’m fine with that

I know people would say why would you even build teams and get gears if you don’t care about the meta
To which I would say, I guess, I just enjoy building them in itself lol

I enjoyed maxing HoT’s sig weapon despite knowing she will never be meta relevant, specially at s rank

Maybe i’m just weird I dunno

[narrow heron]

Is she even relevant at SSS?

[sweet flax]

want the blissful lie or the harsh truth

(it will be very harsh)

[narrow heron]

I’ll take that as a no lol

[sweet flax]

all i'll say is she is usable, and can be a decent option

as for how usable and how often

[ancient needle]

She's worse than S0 LV and LV herself is quite niche atp

vs MECH enemies HoT should be fine in RL, vs other stuff she should struggle

[narrow heron]

Wait a second, is there a chance Mei would get a p2 unit like Kiana?

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-twitch-eyes-fierce-gif-15395112

[odd pecan]

maybe

why not

[narrow heron]

Ok I know what I’m saving every single gem for now

[odd pecan]

like hoyo will remember that there's only HoO Mei

[narrow heron]

F**k backpulling ima just save until they decide to give me a p2 Mei with apho style appearance

Getting HoO seems more impossible at this rate

[odd pecan]

i have her full equip but this account like from 2021 and people told me to create new account ;-;

[sweet flax]

this is gonna be the same cope territory of apho mei

and we know how that went

[narrow heron]

Hey we got a Kiana this patch there’s hope for the next anniversary lmfao

[sweet flax]

Ye it's only been.... 2 years

[maiden garden]

this so relatable

[narrow heron]

Thank you lol

[frozen crypt]

apho mei p2 wen

[frozen crypt]

oh

[narrow heron]

Fingers crossed 9th anniversary

[frozen crypt]

I would love that ngl

[narrow heron]

By that time I will have saved enough to SSS her lmao

With this mindset I decided to pull for badum now

[abstract sequoia]

idc about mei but i'm whaling for next bronya

unrelated to how good she will be

[narrow heron]

I wanted to get the HoO HoFi HoTr trio but hoping for a p2 Mei looks more promising than that lmao

[abstract sequoia]

at this point yes

trio is a gigantic overinvestment

and for what you get it's not worth it

[narrow heron]

Yeah I’m glad the idea crossed my mind that a p2 Mei may be in their plans

Like how did they force Kiana to come down from the moon and somehow participate in some story

There’s no way they can’t give Mei story relevancy when she’s already well alive on earth

[quick birch]

Kiana is still eeping on the moon this is just a dream world of hers

[dry python]

did you not play the event

[narrow heron]

I skipped the story for it lol

I unwillingly did it for the rewards

Cuz the returnee would give me extra prisma cubes to max my HoHe stigmata

[abstract sequoia]

understandable

problem is that p2 story is not replayable

so it's better to not rush it later down the line

unless you just dgaf about story

[narrow heron]

Wait was that part of the main story

I thought you meant the event

[abstract sequoia]

the event with rice cake, no

that also stays replayable thankfully

and the event stays permanent

[narrow heron]

Yeah that’s the thing I was talking about

I didn’t do main story

[abstract sequoia]

then no need to rush it tbh

you have more than a month still

[narrow heron]

I did rush some part of it cuz I was forced to do so for the free HoHe but other than that I haven’t touched p2 story

[abstract sequoia]

please delete that, its a spoiler teritory

[narrow heron]

I mean it could be anyone

[abstract sequoia]

and help channels should stay free from those

[abstract sequoia]

still

anyway, you wouldn't be the only one who rushed story to get hohe

imagine the chaos that happened on the final week in here

[narrow heron]

Yeah that was some unjust labor

[dry python]

weren't there 5 missions

just don't do story

[autumn oxide]

glass canon means she does damage

senadina does NOT do damage

[dry python]

[autumn oxide]

cay get on

[abstract sequoia]

one was a time-gated event, so you had to do story if you started too late

[frozen crypt]

glass toilet ass valk

[abstract sequoia]

and for the first raffle you needed to do ch4-6

[dry python]

LMAO

[abstract sequoia]

for her time she did do damage

[narrow heron]

How often do free giveaways like HoHe happen

[frozen crypt]

thats every valk

about twice a year

once or twice a year

[abstract sequoia]

with glass canon i just meant that she dies quick

[narrow heron]

I know HoO had one a few patches before her as well, do they have an almost fixed frequency?

[abstract sequoia]

nothing fixed no

[frozen crypt]

!faq dawei

[small willow]

Surely it will happen...

Captain...

The thing you have asked about will happen whenever Dawei feels like it. There is no expected time as it seems spontaneous, so we can only wait patiently and hope it happens!

[abstract sequoia]

can only guess based in those times

[autumn oxide]

bro for her time she dint do shit darling

[abstract sequoia]

no way theres an faq for that

[frozen crypt]

xd

[abstract sequoia]

so Sena meta wasn't a thing? ok

[autumn oxide]

whats that

never heard of it

[abstract sequoia]

even after WoD valks came out, they were dependent on her

[autumn oxide]

only reason she was good was cos there wasnt another choice LMFAOOO

[abstract sequoia]

and how is my point invalid?

[frozen crypt]

I mean sena dps with LV was briefly a thing but yeah exactly as wottle said she was only good because she was literally the only option

[abstract sequoia]

you can just run p1 if it really was better

[autumn oxide]

no cos they made sd shards a thing?

[abstract sequoia]

CE

[autumn oxide]

its like saying, oh ma is good cos she can instakill core!

[abstract sequoia]

see if thats better

[frozen crypt]

sirin isn't suddenly a good valk if they run HoIce 9 times per patch

[autumn oxide]

she was better in some cases

[dry python]

meet potential man

[frozen crypt]

[abstract sequoia]

why is she potential man tho?

[dry python]

[abstract sequoia]

i wasn't there for context

ik she was a bad dps

[ancient needle]

She had the potential to be a better support for LV but often wasn't

[autumn oxide]

had a lot of potential, not a lot of use

[maiden garden]

which one do i pick

[abstract sequoia]

then why did I see her in every LV use ever?

[dry python]

guys i forgot to do abyss again

[autumn oxide]

cos u started aft she was made semi relevant

[dry python]

well i did the 15k at least but not sidestage

[autumn oxide]

also gd is used in almost every case idk where ure seeing ce

[ancient needle]

For different reasons (like needing to hit enemies to charge the bar, you not actually needing that extra DMG buff for more time spent on her and GD having Paralyze)

[autumn oxide]

the only place i see ce is ss ma LMFAOOOO

[abstract sequoia]

as an LV support in any bleed?

[autumn oxide]

only time i recall ce being the bis was bleed vv

[frozen crypt]

!faq whatdkey

[small willow]

Which DKey should I claim first?

Hello, Captain!

Also check out the Divine Key explanation pin [here](#👶beginner-help message) if anything mentioned (such as "gene limit") is confusing/unknown to you.

1 - Grips of Tai Xuan (gloves, cope glove weapon and ice gene limit).
2 - Cleaver/Judgement of Shamash (guns/greatsword, need both to sync for +10 attack and fire gene limit).
3 - Jizo Mitama (katana, phys gene limit attached to it).
4 - Star of Eden (cannon, has no attached gene limit it just exists).

[frozen crypt]

the order isn't a big deal

[gloomy acorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901268521181401108/1343126394242076682/ce_bait.png?ex=67dbc76e&is=67da75ee&hm=f9e18cb195a0f94948b2527b2297a5de2f1c54f863db802a7c36ba523e6f6bf5&

[abstract sequoia]

yes bad dps but why man

[frozen crypt]

read the very bottom

heck just read it all tbh

[autumn oxide]

when ure disappointed u say man, not woman

[gloomy acorn]

Man because it was a jjk meme

[frozen crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

feminist wottle arc?

[autumn oxide]

woman...

[frozen crypt]

xdddddddd

[abstract sequoia]

im out of the loop with that meme, i only watched the anime

[gloomy acorn]

Me too I only know the meme exists

[ancient needle]

You're more in loop than me then 🗿

[abstract sequoia]

it's worth your time

pretty good

[ancient needle]

I don't really watch anime in general atp

[abstract sequoia]

i dont watch much either

just dipped my toes in some and came out at the end for the best ones

[ancient needle]

No good way to watch it for free on mobile, and I ain't paying up for these subscriptions

[abstract sequoia]

no ways I can condone in here at least

[ancient needle]

🗿

[gloomy acorn]

Is there no muse russia?

Oh only asia

[ancient needle]

I have no fucking clue what that is

[abstract sequoia]

you mean servers?

or roles

[coral dew]

which lance should i craft if i dont have one for the ER?

[frail tartan]

which characters should i level?

[abstract sequoia]

on which valk?

[ancient needle]

Endothermic is the most versatile one iirc

[abstract sequoia]

yeah just endothermic

[coral dew]

bright knight

[gloomy acorn]

No like the yt channel to watch anime legally

[coral dew]

oh thanks

[ancient needle]

HoV, Coralie and Seele

Don't level HoV and Seele beyond lvl 50

[frail tartan]

thank yew

[abstract sequoia]

i won't say how to do it, but yt channels are not the way

[ancient needle]

Here are some team comp ideas assuming no gacha valks: #👶beginner-help message

[gloomy acorn]

Yeah but that's a way that I can at least mention here

[ancient needle]

Everything here is obtainable for free in one way or another (except Silverwing)

[gloomy acorn]

Some stuff are region locked so can vpn it but this is kinda getting too off topic

[ancient needle]

@frail tartan check the Asterite Investment List in the pins to get more valks btw

[frail tartan]

alright

[narrow heron]

I just noticed, does p2 only have S rank battlesuits?

[haughty elbow]

yes

[quick birch]

Helia and coralie are A rank but besides them yes

[ancient needle]

!faq ches

[narrow heron]

Oh right since I already had them they weren’t in the menu where I was seeing them in the release order

Kiana is the 9th S rank p2 character if we don’t count HoHe

Are HoHe and HoFi the only characters to get new gears so far?

[quick birch]

Yes

[narrow heron]

Surely Mei will also get a badum type of special treatment

[quick birch]

She already got buffed once with HoFi Dkey, just keep coping

[narrow heron]

Nah that was a HoHe type

Badum type is a higher level

[quick birch]

As I said keep coping

[narrow heron]

Kiana got both

Both a new gear for her last p1 form and a whole new suit

9th anniversary you better not disappoint lmao

[quick birch]

But at this point last actual p2 valk has been released quite a while ago so who knows, don't get your hops up though

[narrow heron]

Vita?

[quick birch]

Yeah the keep coping part was for a new battlesuit

[narrow heron]

I believe Hoyo loves Mei as much as, or maybe only second to, Kiana so if there’s anyone who has a chance of that it should be her

[quick birch]

Yeah somehow hoyo still releases some P1 valks with 10 mins of screen time instead of giving us new p2 valks so who knows what will await us in 8.3 but this is just pure cope lmao so best to stop here

[narrow heron]

When was Vita released?

[quick birch]

7.8

[narrow heron]

Who have we had after her since now on the banners then

P2 reruns and Sparkle?

[ancient needle]

Sparkle, Reign Solaris, Badum + HoHE dkey

And HoFi dkey on the same patch as Vita

[narrow heron]

Oh so this is a rerun for it

[ancient needle]

Yeah, it was mostly P2 reruns, there were some P1 ones here and there

[quick birch]

Actually vita also isn't a p2 valk if you are very precise

[ancient needle]

🤓

[narrow heron]

so going by the trend we have had an hsr character and 2 p1 characters instead of new p2 characters, interesting

[ancient needle]

Sparkle isn't an HSR character then

[narrow heron]

Where is vita from then? P1?

[ancient needle]

P1.5 to be exact

[quick birch]

P1,5

[gloomy acorn]

Eepy dudu badummy is 3 no?

[narrow heron]

Chapter 36-42?

[gloomy acorn]

||sus next patch too||

[narrow heron]

Wut?

[gloomy acorn]

Teri, dudu, kiana

[narrow heron]

Oh lol

The last fully p2 character was JD then

But the 3d models sure had a massive improvement going into p2 (i was comparing badum to HoFi)

It feels like they have been scaled to be a bit smaller as well

harassment vs flirting lmao (I'm sorry HoFi fans 😭 )

What does SP mean for battlesuits?

[haughty elbow]

no meaning

[narrow heron]

That can’t be it

There must be something

Is there absolutely no reason why adult Griseo has an Sp label then?

[haughty elbow]

sp valks have sp skills

it got replaced by weapon skills for newer valks

[narrow heron]

Was there any pattern between the very few sp valkeries we got?

[haughty elbow]

sp valks are farmable and their skills are stupid expensive

but now almost every valk is farmable so

[narrow heron]

They used to be farmable from the beginning?

[haughty elbow]

yes

since release u could get sss sp valk

[narrow heron]

Ok that answers my question then

[haughty elbow]

just took a while

[ancient needle]

Did ya mean AR skills

[floral lake]

what do i do when i dont have mini dudu for this abyss...

[maiden garden]

can someone tell me waht this sis?

[quick birch]

It's an s rank selector box we have a pin that takes many things into consideration and explains what you should choose

[maiden garden]

ah thank you

[narrow heron]

why have I not gotten all the crystalls when there is no more mission?

[frozen crypt]

The lanterns arent available anymore

[pine fjord]

hi, can someone tell me which divine key I should activate first?

[frozen crypt]

Could you elaborate on what you mean by activate?

Is it from realms of battle?

[pine fjord]

yes, exactly

[frozen crypt]

!faq whatdkey

[small willow]

Which DKey should I claim first?

Hello, Captain!

Also check out the Divine Key explanation pin [here](#👶beginner-help message) if anything mentioned (such as "gene limit") is confusing/unknown to you.

1 - Grips of Tai Xuan (gloves, cope glove weapon and ice gene limit).
2 - Cleaver/Judgement of Shamash (guns/greatsword, need both to sync for +10 attack and fire gene limit).
3 - Jizo Mitama (katana, phys gene limit attached to it).
4 - Star of Eden (cannon, has no attached gene limit it just exists).

[frozen crypt]

You get all of them very quickly anyway so

[pine fjord]

okay, thanks!

[frozen crypt]

In a few weeks the order won't matter much

[pine fjord]

alr

[narrow heron]

Also I forgot to mention but I have e6 Acheron in hsr and she’s already barely doing e2 THerta dmg after just one year apparently so I’m used to the harshness lmao

Which game has worse powercreep is probably debatable

[frozen crypt]

They're nothing alike anyway

[lime talon]

i wonder how broken cas would be

uh what do i do in chapter 8-2, i cant progress

[spiral badge]

if you guys want to discuss hsr more please move to #off-topic-discussion

[thick bolt]

Go to that blue indicator
The evade button should get a portal icon which is the interact button

[lime talon]

i tried its not showing anything

i tried it and i tried giving up and restarting

[quick birch]

press evade

[lime talon]

nvm u right, idk why i had to evade

werid

[quick birch]

its an early chapter thing

[lime talon]

did i press skip too much 💀

[quick birch]

no interacting with chars in early chapter just works like that, it does not really have anything to do with skipping story

[thick bolt]

[lime talon]

yes thx

[quick birch]

reading comprehension impact 3rd

[lime talon]

i swear im in AP lang 💀

[spiral badge]

hi3 has changed over the years so you'll see some more primitive systems when there were less budget and more limitations early on

[raw hamlet]

Is this stuff for real value or is it fake value?

[thick bolt]

real

[quick birch]

its finde dw its just a joke in the community that gacha players dont read so this is kinda funny

[thick bolt]

1 asterite to get 90 passes is damn good

[worldly totem]

hello... what does this even mean help

[thick bolt]

asterite income on avg is like 20k+ per week more or less

[lime talon]

lol, im more concerened now getting crystals than spending time reading

[quick birch]

yeah understandable

[thick bolt]

refer to this message #👶beginner-help message

[spiral badge]

it's fine to get. 1 asterite is basically nothing. Time swirl tickets are to increase your rewards in mirage. Mirage rewards are for crafting. For more details check the mirage guide in the pins.

Nowadays most crafts aren't very notable but you still want some ether fuel to be ready to craft prism stigmatas as a last resort. Otherwise you may still value crafting some things for very specific niches and this takes alot of time to accumulate resources for.

[pliant pulsar]

what can u do with those i have like 2500

[quick birch]

You can buy things in the supply shop with those

check this faq for purchase priority although reccomandations what to buy can be very different and account specific. Its best to keep them until you have a better understanding of the game and are at least retaining red lotus

[solar drum]

how much longer is the current bp shop

[ancient needle]

If you're talking about the ball one then until the end of this patch + there will be a Vintage shop for the entirety of the next one (it'll contain only gear tho)

[void mural]

For cufrrent abyss I don't have Loli Dudu

I have all P2 outside of Loli dudu/Lazi Terri and fire Shu

Who should I use

[haughty elbow]

use badum songque sparkle

[void mural]

Babum leader?

[haughty elbow]

yes

[void mural]

Thanks

[low kestrel]

@ancient needlehey teammate

so my friend is new on honkai and he want xp fast to be level 88

any tips?

[ancient needle]

The main sources of EXP are Combat Missions and P1 story

You can't really rush it too much

[narrow heron]

Do these numbers quantify how good the stigmata is for this unit? and if so why does edison have a thumbs up icon while Tesla doesn’t despite having a much lower number?

[thick bolt]

It's kind of an arbitrary rating system by the devs on what gear is "good"

Tldr don't trust it and ignore the numbers/thumbsup

[narrow heron]

So I should just ignore them

[thick bolt]

yeah
oh mobi? Run edison

[narrow heron]

What about HoT?

[thick bolt]

same thing

[narrow heron]

Is Edison the best in its rarity for all electro characters or something?

[thick bolt]

Edison is the go to budget stig set for lightning dps

Anything above that which isn't sig/bis gear depends on what you have

[narrow heron]

I see

I like Tesla so I was hoping those stigmata also would have a use lol

[thick bolt]

You can refer to this message and the one below for an effect comparison #wiki-consult message

[narrow heron]

Can I make the MPE stigmata set without transmution?

[ancient needle]

If you don't see a direct option then it's impossible

And yes, there is no direct option for MPE

[narrow heron]

I was looking for a set I work towards for someone in my roster, looks like APHO Bronya is the only character I have and can make her sig set (without transmuting)

The characters I have who are missing their sets are MPE, HoT, PE, FR, AE, and Mobius

Wait PE also has it

The page it takes us to from the forge option in the stigmata section of the Valkeries is really broken why does it not show APHO Bronya’s sig set when its forgeable lol

Altho it needs those resources that takes 10 weeks to farm enough for 1 piece, nevermind

[low kestrel]

@ancient needlemy friend want vill-v, how i'm gonna tell him that she don't appear in the banner will be like... 3 years? lmao

[narrow heron]

She has never had a rerun or something?

[ancient needle]

She has, she's just too old

[ancient needle]

||She'll be permanently available in 8.2+ BP||

[narrow heron]

Oh awesome

[low kestrel]

YEYYYYYY

[narrow heron]

I wanted to get all the flame-chasers down the line

Fu Hua’s flame chaser form doesn’t seem to have a playable Valkerie suit tho right?

[ancient needle]

She does

[narrow heron]

Shadow night?

Ok it can be bought with aw, doable

[humble kraken]

do i pull for anyone currently?

[ancient needle]

How new is your acc? How many crystals do you have rn? Any pity built on the valk and weap banners?

[humble kraken]

well i just pulled a couple of times for FWS

[humble kraken]

and i made this acc a few days ago

[ancient needle]

Ah, then you can go for FWS as long as you keep 60 pulls (or whatever your current weap pity is) in the tank

You don't wanna get a weapless valk

[humble kraken]

alright, you think i have enough time?

[ancient needle]

Nah

Still worth trying ofc, you could get lucky

The pity carries over

[humble kraken]

oh ok so if i get her and not her weapon i would still be ok right or is she gonna be horrible

[thick bolt]

as long as you keep 60 pulls (or whatever your current weap pity is) in the tank
You don't wanna get a weapless valk

anything extra, you can use

[golden arrow]

is this still possible 💔

[thick bolt]

Depends on your one time xtal sources

stuff like ER or story

check the pins for list of all sources

[ancient needle]

You want to either get both or neither

Weaps are not optional here

[humble kraken]

ok so i should play it smart and just stop pulling

[ancient needle]

Do this

[low kestrel]

@ancient needlemy friend just pulled for vita outfit without know u use crystals

now he out of crystals

[ancient needle]

Is there a question, or

[humble kraken]

ok gotcha

[low kestrel]

facts, just facts. sad facts....

[humble kraken]

what do i use my carnival supply cards on?

[ancient needle]

Thelema

Both options are quite bad for new players

[dusky kelp]

I saw some people online complaining about power creep in this game and some saying it's not that bad. Is it really bad or just like okay?

How many versions does it take for a character to fall out of semi-top tier

[ancient needle]

1. It depends on your goals
2. Tierlists don't really work here cuz of the amount of niches you need to cover, I can say that it takes about 1.5-2 years for a char to stop being the best at anything

If you're a more casual player powercreep doesn't matter nearly as much as it does for competitive players

[dusky kelp]

I just want to maintain red lotus position. I don't know if that's competitive

And I don't care about memorial

[ancient needle]

Nah, that's on the more casual side

2 proper teams is enough to stay in RL

[dusky kelp]

👍

[ancient needle]

Here's some more info about meta if you're interested: #👶beginner-help message

[wise socket]

how do u play horb in er using these?

nvm its just hold atk kek

didnt know which form is soul shaper

[mental coral]

Day whatever on this godforsaken planet.

[spiral badge]

please post this in #📿gacha-salt🧂 in the future

[ancient needle]

Also this is normal xdd

[spiral badge]

if you're looking for crystal sources, we do have a pin on covering many sources. Give it a look if you haven't yet in case there's more you haven't obtained yet

[mental coral]

I still have chapters 23-part 1.5

[spiral badge]

best of luck then

story is permanent though so make sure you check for limited time sources before they expire. One example is abyss in a few hours

(quantum manifold)

[mental coral]

I finished it

I get 240 after finalizing

I'll do story

Since I have a lot of energy

I'll complete chapter 23 and 24

Then see what I'll get

[spiral badge]

the crystal pin does cover how much you can get from each story chapter too

in case you want to plan ahead

but yeah get what you can for now

[mental coral]

After I'll try apho

But that gacha is crazy

[spiral badge]

you can see the rates beforehand

as for soft pity

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

maybe this post covers it. Idr what it is for weapons

[mental coral]

No no I mean for APHO gacaha

[bold osprey]

whats a part 2 Physical team i can make if i dont have lil dudu

[spiral badge]

but there's no 50/50 in this game. We generally advise for players to plan for worst case scenarios

oh ok

[spiral badge]

that gacha is something you'll empty out eventually and is permanent.

[spiral badge]

the team you have is pretty much that.

[mental coral]

Idk where to get keys from

I did most of the ruins

[spiral badge]

ruins reset periodically

[mental coral]

REALLY?

I THOUGHT IT WAS PERMANENT

[spiral badge]

once every week? Maybe less? I don't remember the details but give it another look

[bold osprey]

instead of thelema? badum, ely, sena?

[spiral badge]

open world adventure tasks resets periodically too but i don't tink those relate to the gacha

[spiral badge]

at that point you're looking for shadow star attributes (can look at the filters menu at the bottom left of the valk selection screen)

[bold osprey]

k thanks

[spiral badge]

this is because JDS is wheel of destiny ring type. Every ring type as a leader dps has a matching attribute/tag for supports

in the case of JDS you're mainly looking at crit rate from, lantern/sena (breach which gets converted), lantern, or serapeum (not recommended to roll for. Just something to consider if you already have her)

[ancient needle]

Ruins reset once per 2 weeks

[spiral badge]

ah thanks

[bold osprey]

[spiral badge]

@mental coral (what teammate said above)

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thelema can be higher damage at the expense of crit rate

[bold osprey]

what aboult hohe with dkey

is in shadow star filter

[ancient needle]

You alr have the BiS lineup

[bold osprey]

so its thelema lol

[ancient needle]

HoHE is a terrible WoD support unfortunately

[spiral badge]

i don't think she's really notable. She's fast to get stellar drains if that's what you're capped on.

[bold osprey]

i see

[spiral badge]

you may opt to show us how you're doing the fight too

make sure you activate everyone's buff effects (usually you can find the main condition on their stig 3pc)

[bold osprey]

im on agony 3 returnin from 2 patch break

i have 990 login. it was my first break

[ancient needle]

(not in Thele's or Vita's case tho )

Thele does have a buff on 3pc ofc but it's not the main one really

[spiral badge]

yeah fair

i didn't remember lol

vita mainly needs to ult

[bold osprey]

missed out on some chars. i feel kinda cooked

[spiral badge]

thele is alot more messy

[ancient needle]

Oh, nvm, it's TDT in Thele's case, not TDM

[spiral badge]

she wants to land a hit, she wants to ult, she wants to moi

[ancient needle]

MoI is only for WS

[spiral badge]

oh

[ancient needle]

And it's minor

Relatively speaking at least

[spiral badge]

i guess people do it since the ult timestop makes you close to it anyway and you want the stellar drain when jds is getting it too slowly? well anyway i shouldn't say much more then lol

---

btw teammate about what you said in the other help channel, this weather is -50% lightning damage no?

i also have nitpicks regarding cora's ult and what her weapon finisher is doing (buff vs debuff) but i didn't want to jump in and end up distracting when you were covering so much

[ancient needle]

That's a brainfart xdd

Lemme delete that then

[spiral badge]

maybe edit it

and ping them with the corrections

[ancient needle]

I don't think it matters enough to ping in this case

[spiral badge]

it's minor overall for their purposes but i do think it's important to be transparent

since we do often get people coming back and saying stuff like "well i was told differently"

and sometimes these sort of things can't be helped across different strats in the game, and just need to be explained

but this isn't really such a case lol

anyway i'll leave it to your discretion then

we can prob just say damage boost instead if we want to curb around the buff/debuff distinction. I don't often run into cases where people try to apply a debuff on nothing thinking that it's a buff, and both can be at play at once in cora's case.

[mental coral]

??

What are u referring to

[spiral badge]

the ruins reset duration

[mental coral]

Oh

Do I get keys when it resets

[spiral badge]

i believe you do but you should be able to check

[mental coral]

Sorry for the late response I was cleaning up

If I don't get her weapon I'll wait until her rerun

I just have the worst luck get the battlesuit early

But never the weapon

I usually get the valk with the discount pull

Which I hate

[spiral badge]

it's prob too soon to be asking for an update but keep us posted. There's not too many hours of abyss left.

First of all you prob want thelema's qte off. Go to her skills menu in the bottom right basic attack section to toggle it.

I would imagine at the start of the fight you would swap to vita and ult into mech mode, preemptively weapon active a bit before mobs spawn (can still get full meter), then CA > ult. Have songque clean up the mobs after (make sure songque QTEs in. thelema's 3pc should trigger off of songque's attacks)

When the boss spawns, have thelema ult (the ending to the time stop applies a debuff) and perform a full meter attack for stellar drain. This should also refresh songque's swap cd and QTE. So swap back to songque and have her use outburst and see where that takes you.

[spiral badge]

at this point of the game, i do not think it's necessary to rely on luck. If you do not have enough to guarantee the valk and weapon, you may opt to skip to better guarantee a future release.

If you still really want to try for a new valk then you can roll while staying above 17k (60 rolls). This way if you get the valk early you can still guarantee the weapon.

Getting an undesired valk with the discount is a bit annoying but still something to appreciate if your pity is low
If your pity is already high then you may refrain from discounts on valks you don't desire

there's prob more we can discuss but i have to go now actually. Sorry but perhaps other people can give you further insight in my place

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[bold osprey]

can finally return to RL

timed songques astral mode whole boss phase

and killed him with ult to finish it

[spiral badge]

my instructions earlier kinda lacked explanations and i highly recommend you looking at the descriptions in game to better understand the purpose of each action for future reference (we did covered it a bit earlier)

if you need us to explain anything or point to where to look let us know

but well done

[mental coral]

I got it

I'm happy

I had to go 11 away

But I did it

I wanna thank @spiral badge and @ancient needle

Y'all helped me the most

[junior hound]

Hello, i know it's a strange question but i just need an answer, Are the fu hua musician set good on rita roseswisse as a dps in general

(Im not crafting it) it's free from the manual guide

[shadow gyro]

its a supportive set, if you're a beginner its an ok set and is useful for beginners

[steep drift]

This is everyone I don't have, I should just get Flamescion, right?

[shadow gyro]

of you're competitive, i would suggest keeping the box incase you need the affix device
and you can get hof from war treasury

[junior hound]

That's unfortunate

But It'll do

[harsh forge]

can I not do the adventure tasks weekly for the training notes and still complete it? I dont want to do them because Im guessing the adventure thing is huge spoilers since its called "Post Honkai"

[shadow gyro]

i don't think the tasks have any spoilers? but either way you can use tickets to skip them

unless the task is asking you to clear the apho story

[turbid fossil]

Does it have to be APHO for those tasks? Can you complete them in Sakura Samsara instead?

[junior hound]

Any idea why the expedition mission can't progress? I tried doing all kinds of expeditions, mats valk etc, on repeat and new ones, but still didn't change

[turbid fossil]

Do the expeditions from the dorm menu

[dreamy bloom]

apho doesn't majorly spoil the main story, i wouldn't worry too much about it (especially if you're just speedrunning to get to the task menu)

[junior hound]

Already did it all kind of them, even on repeat

[quick birch]

They are referring to " auto expeditions " through dorm. You unlock them once year 3 star any expedition and then you can clear the expedition without actually playing it

just go to dorm and click on expeditions on the bottom right

[junior hound]

iirc i already did a lot, but ill wait for tomorrow to see if it'll work out, i thought they meant normal expeditions not dorm

Thanks anyways

[gaunt oak]

who am i missing

[spiral badge]

one of them makes you solve the riddle with who has the key on the west side

another makes you race against them. more on the south side of the map

another makes you play red light green light along the northside at a corner

another makes you play hide and seek. found more west but center of the map from here, in a side pocket of a vertical street

if you need an exact location try going to valk guides in the pins and looking for part 2 achievements. the youtube channel there covers alot more event content in the game

[haughty elbow]

can also use the chest finder
they will have a chest near them so u can lock onto that

[spiral badge]

i actually collected the chest without sending them back so i had to search for them personally lol

but yeah good call

[charred cloud]

sairaan have u seen an instance on HoD where u destroy the core directly as the boss spawns and it doesn't trigger phase switch

[spiral badge]

no i haven't

[charred cloud]

boy do I have something for u

[gloomy acorn]

[pallid horizon]

I can't clear one of the early stage of the story, Himeko vs benares, it still knocking me down and makes me lose one single star... help, please.

never mind...i finally did it

[naive pivot]

join the club, everyone hates that stage

[pallid horizon]

it took me 2 years..

[halcyon ravine]

How do I get the remaining crystals from this? I have all the quests complete I think

[lime talon]

does anyone have a tally on the total starter coupons the traing plan gives? Do i have to buy monthly pass and battle pass in order to get jade knight?

also does pity rate carry over different chachters like hsr?

[maiden garden]

any tips on how to get crystals quick and efficiently i need kianas weapon and im 38 pulls off and i need to be able to save for next banners please help me

[quick birch]

Jade knight is free and there is no need to buy monthly or battle pass to get her from training shop. And if pity carries over varries from different banners Battlesuit, equipment and Astral Op supply do but things like carnival or ADV dont carry pity.

[quick birch]

We have a pin about crystal sources might wanna check that out

[maiden garden]

im newgen dont clock me like that 😔

[quick birch]

Wasnt meant to sound mean if it did this was a genuine suggestion

[maiden garden]

i was joking 🙃

[lime talon]

ah shit, i accidently spent my 20 tickets on carnival already

wait does version mean within update or new charchter run?

if version, whens the next patch gonna run

[quick birch]

You get 20 pulls for free for carnival so as long as you didnt spend crystals you are fine

[lime talon]

but that doesn't retain right

[quick birch]

It carries over regardless if its another version. Your pity on battlesuit supply will stay the same after the 8.2 update

[quick birch]

yes but the pulls also expire so you had to use them anyway

[lime talon]

tickets expire?? i never knew that

[lone crater]

did u use the carnival tickets from log in

[quick birch]

Only the carnival ones hoyo does not want you to keep them.

[lime talon]

oh ok so no loss in the end...

the charchter looked good still 😭

should i just spend all my resources? I would love to get her but chances are i dont make it but pity still transfer?

[quick birch]

its best to save until you have 16.8k crystals and everything above that amount can be spend on badumm. You always want to get both the weapon and the valks and those 60 pulls ( 16.8k crystals ) guarantee that.

[lime talon]

16.8k for weapon?

[junior hound]

How does 60 pulls guarantee the valk and wep when the wep alone is 60 pity? Is there some kind of trick here

[quick birch]

You can do the discounted pull already though no harm in doing that if you get the char that soon the weapon should be now problem.

[quick birch]

yes

[lime talon]

so ill be left with a weapon no battlesuit if i dont get enough

[junior hound]

Yup and vise versa

[quick birch]

You save up 16.8k and try to get the char with every pull above that amount, if you get the char nice get the weapon, if you dont save for 8.2

dont pull the weapon without the char

[junior hound]

And don't pull the char without the wep

As i said vise versa situation

[lime talon]

this is even worse situation than hsr 😭

[quick birch]

I hope this clears up the any confusion one of you had. If not im open to elaborate

[junior hound]

Yup this game is strange

[quick birch]

Not really we have no 50/50 and chars are far more versatile here

[lime talon]

nah i get it, to get good synergy, weapon plus battle suit needed

[lime talon]

oh is there no loss rate? i forgot about that

[lime talon]

until you see the leaks

[junior hound]

But we need to sell a soul to grind and get the valk along the wep

[quick birch]

Not really at the beginning yes crystals sources are exhausting but once you reach endgame there isnt really much to grind and most of your crystals come from Abyss and ER

[junior hound]

Anyways ill be saving for the next valk i don't think i can get fws in time and plus im not interested in her Play style nor design

[quick birch]

do that absolutely valid reasons

[junior hound]

And yes im not a fully meta player, i want to be balanced between both personal and meta preferences

I just hope the next valk is good

Do they do leaks here like other hoyo games?

[quick birch]

CN is 4 weeks ahead of us and the new valk is in CN beta at the moment, those are NOT leaks though and if you see any leaks please dont discuss that here since that is agains the server rules

check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion for CN beta info

[lime talon]

gotta another question, in the event that i somehow get kiana + weapon and spend the 44k, and get herrcher of rebirth, where and how is her weapon obtained

[junior hound]

Oh ok i guess it's not allowed in hi3, ill check the cn

[quick birch]

That weapon is currently in the battlepass shop although its reccomended to pick up 7 thunders from that shop. HoRb also wont be any use for new players in actual endgame content since she is a p1 units and you dont have her gear nor her team mates gear.

[junior hound]

So what do we pick from the shop?

Because im confused from the pic at the pins

[quick birch]

We have a pin for that from Sairaan that takes a lot of things into consideration

[jolly pulsar]

It’s better when you consider no 50/50 and no relic grind to worry about

[still canopy]

Okay so. I want merch of Otto or Kallen but don't know where to go to buy it. Ik that this is beginner help but this counts

[jolly pulsar]

Like I’m so glad I don’t have to worry about relic BS here

[jolly pulsar]

Strangely I feel like either #🎮honkai-chat or #📚honkai-lore may help
I’m not into the merch scene, sorry
Pretty sure a professor here would know

[junior hound]

Just saw the pin on spending coin store, it does not say what i should pick specifically

[still canopy]

[quick birch]

because that is different from account to account. You probably cant afford HoRB so elf boxes would be your next choice, we will also get a free S elf selector next version so just keep them until you have enough to rank up that elf

[junior hound]

Ok that's much easier

[solar drum]

if i manage to redeem HoRb from spending event

and then get her weapon from bp shop

is it worth

if theres not enough for the stigs

[maiden garden]

is HoRB good should i invest in her?

[quick birch]

Dont heavily invest in p1 chars, You probably dont have her gear or her teamates for the niches she is used in so short answer no. she can be usefull in early game but basically anyone can be good there

[worn salmon]

hi, is it possible to use badum kit to clear hof. character trials?

[quick birch]

no

or do you mean her stigmatas

wdym by kit

could be that i understood you wrong

[worn salmon]

badum pri arm and sig. stigmata

[quick birch]

You can try it out ig if you dont have anything better to work with, no idea how it would actually do

[solar drum]

so if someone got HoRb and her weapon but not enough for stigs

is it worth getting anyways

[maiden garden]

no shes part 1 character and most of them fell off and her weapon alone is not enough to make her good try getting kiana or saving for part 2 characters , horb needs her supports to have there best in slot weapons and stigmatas

[maiden garden]

short answer no

[plucky talon]

Which one should i claim? Or are they all the same?

[woeful rose]

what are the teams of the new kiana?

[maiden garden]

the guns ?

[solar drum]

i got new kiana regardless

[maiden garden]

i think her best one is , sparkle and vita but i use corali and parfelis or something

[solar drum]

im just wondering if i saved up in the spending event

[maiden garden]

ok

[quick birch]

Boss dependent, any heavenly shift valks will do

[solar drum]

and got the weapon from bp

[woeful rose]

alternative for sparkle?

[solar drum]

is it worth

[quick birch]

JDS/dudu/HoHe+dkey/vita

[maiden garden]

idk corali maybe or perfadolis or whatever her name is ( its the brown hair cat girl with a crop top)

[woeful rose]

like this?

[quick birch]

pardofelis really only is viable for beginners

[quick birch]

yes, really good team for kiana

[maiden garden]

yeah that works to (im a new player all this information is from my knowledge the server so im probb not 100% right)

[maiden garden]

this is beginner help….

[quick birch]

the channel is also used as a general help channel the name is really just to get new people here, and he asked for good alternatives pardofelis really isnt on of them

[maiden garden]

ok

[quick birch]

I appreciate that you want to help but please refrain from that if you arent fully sure urself and let people answer who actually have the knowledge

[maiden garden]

then what is a good team for kiana that isnt all limited characters with best in slots

[maiden garden]

i said i use the team and i wasnt sure its good and i have beginner knowledge

[quick birch]

the team you have is fine but all Heavenly shift valks are limited so there arent really more options, dont backpull them though the rule of thumb is to prioritize new valks

[plucky seal]

Hello everyone, i would like to get help. What are the characters that worth selecting in the new S rank battlesuit options for this year anniversary?(the box after logging in)

[quick birch]

Check pins we have a guide for that

[plucky seal]

Ty so much ill read it now

[raw wraith]

is susannah still good at this point ?

[quick birch]

Not really, she has like 1 boss which was seen the last time in 7.9 and isnt running frequently, she would also need a 12/12 team which isnt something you should invesnt in tbh. || She will also loose her boss to the 8.2 valk || she definitely is NOT worth investing in

Any specific reason why you are asking ?

[narrow heron]

How many of these can we farm per week via Sakura Samsara?

[quick birch]

That depends on your Adventure level but the maximum is 240

[maiden garden]

what are somethings i should do early game that help significantly in end game or future challenges ? (characters , weapons , etc)

[narrow heron]

Do get a different amount if I do other open world modes?

[narrow heron]

And what is the max adventure lvl, I’m at 25

[raw hamlet]

Hey sorry, how do I progress this quest? Level 8-2, I cant talk to tesla

[quick birch]

Press evade

[raw hamlet]

thank you

[quick birch]

It's like 30 but you get maximum stigmata resonance before that so you probably get 240 per week already

[odd plume]

dont waste your resources on random things
better do every daily weekly content and mission
try to reach lv50 fast
p1 story and starter/bp mission are the best for fast lvling

[narrow heron]

Yeah I noticed where it says finalization rewards 240, I thought I would only get them in sakura samsara from the description but it looks like any open world mode would be the same

[quick birch]

Yes adventure level is shared between open worlds

[narrow heron]

So would I just get 240 even if I don’t play the open world at all?

[odd plume]

you have to do task

[narrow heron]

15 times?

[odd plume]

not necessary but better to do that

[narrow heron]

Thankfully I have a lot of vacation tickets, but I feel like there wasn’t any good source for farming them

[quick birch]

You want to do adventure task 3 times a week anyway it's a BP mission and you also get rewards for just clearing it

[narrow heron]

I noticed these two ways I can spend these stuff, I was told not to convert them tho, are the purchasable stigmata even that good for me to hold unto them and wait a lot more to be able to forge a stigmata?

[quick birch]

Vacation tickets aren't meant to be a bottlenecking resource, I complete everything with them and I don't really run out of them. They are mostly obtainable through BP, er shop, and events

[odd plume]

depend on how much do you care about MA

[narrow heron]

So even as a f2p in the endgame we would never run out of them? (Even if I don’t do the events?)

[narrow heron]

What is ma

[odd plume]

those gear has almost no use in abyss

[narrow heron]

Oh memorial arena

[maiden garden]

ok ty il lvl 46 :)

[quick birch]

Not sure about how much events give but I don't and being f2p really has nothing to do with ur vacation ticket income

[narrow heron]

I thought bp would give more to higher tiers

But it’s good to know I will not run out of them eventually

[narrow heron]

The purchasable gears? Why are they good in ma and not good in abyss, also does abyss mean SD?

I used to have something called abyss but it evolved into sd after 81

[quick birch]

Superstring dimension? Yes that's abyss

[odd plume]

MA boss are paper, and it lock your team + item, so you will need many tool to deal with what they throw at you
abyss boss is harder and you want more recent team + gear to compete

[narrow heron]

We can do sd with 1 really good team? No need for variation and horizontal coverage?

[odd plume]

no, you just keep getting new valk

beginner can bruteforce with 1 team, but if you want to go higher, you will need more

[narrow heron]

So there are environments to keep you unable to keep up without new shiny things

I’m chilling at agony 1 so I’m fine with that

[odd plume]

you do want variation and horizontal coverage for abyss but they dont come form those shop

[narrow heron]

Fair enough

[odd plume]

a competitive f2p can reach top 2~0.2% in abyss, need good pulling decision and skill

[narrow heron]

Unless they’re greedy or stupid I know lol

[solar drum]

was priarms a recent concept

[dry python]

No

[gloomy acorn]

Probably higher for eu no?

or is it just na that slaccs ma

[narrow heron]

Roughly speaking how good are the best purchasable ones for a specific unit compared to a g1-4 stigmata? It’s probably weaker than g4, is it like at g3 power level?

[naive pivot]

hopefully both because fuck MA

[gloomy acorn]

Classic NA mindset

We here in sea take our ma very seriously

[quick birch]

You can't really compare them like that some G3 stuff is lowkey busted and really good while G4 has recently become a graveyard for old P1 S ranks sets. There are trash ones in g3 but also good ones. Farming those shouldn't be a concern for newer players though tbh. Those stigmatas are only really relevant to P1 units p2 units use their signature stigmatas 99% of the time

[narrow heron]

Yeah I’m talking about p1 units

[heady relic]

Pri-arm system was added in version 3.4 (MAG-Typhoon + Frozen Naraka debut)

[narrow heron]

So there is no actually power level range across a gx class stigmata’s best set for a specific unit?

[quick birch]

Well then it depends which battlesuit are we talking about talking about

[narrow heron]

Lemme just…

Ok

[gloomy acorn]

No, just depends

[naive pivot]

shit game mode

[narrow heron]

It’s in my name now, I’m always talking about p1 lol

[quick birch]

I mean casual does not imply P1 only

[narrow heron]

Yeah that’s why I added that as well

[quick birch]

Ah I just can't read

[gloomy acorn]

Is p1 only like no AR or like p1 cast only?

[narrow heron]

For example let’s say for HoT, her best purchasable is Benares right? Which gx class’s best set is Benares comparable to?

[narrow heron]

What is ar?

[gloomy acorn]

Astral ring valks

[narrow heron]

Oh astral ring

I mean cast

[quick birch]

Well benares also isn't really her BiS set anymore with 7t

And Handel is a craftable G4

[narrow heron]

Is it not even her BiS purchasable one?

[sweet flax]

BiS means best in slot, you can't have something and say it's the best when the other better option exists

Don't use that term lightly or it will confuse people trying to help you

[narrow heron]

I’m trying to gage wether to go for the purchasable options or forgeable options, cuz forging looks a lot more grindy

So if its not as much better as there is grind for it, might as well just purchase one

[quick birch]

Exchange shop also takes ages tbh

[narrow heron]

Yeah I have to see how much grind they take compared to each other

And see how much better forgeable sets are

[sweet flax]

It will take you roughly 30 weeks to get a full benares set assuming you have 0 stigmata resonance atm

A full g4 set will take you around 40 weeks to fully craft, less if efficient assuming no progress started yet

[quick birch]

It's also not really a grind it just takes time. you do universal mirage once a week and wait till next week

[sweet flax]

So there's no benefit to getting benares when you can go for the in-between option of g3 goemon, which takes less time and is a bridge for handel

[narrow heron]

Yeah since i was told vacation tickets don’t run out I guess that’s also fine

[gloomy acorn]

That assumes you do events, I'm not sure if you don't since I vaguely rmb you mentioning not doing them

[narrow heron]

I don’t do events yea

[sweet flax]

[gloomy acorn]

Vaca ticket might be bricked

[sweet flax]

Casual and not doing events is wild

That's like the one content casual players have outside of story

[narrow heron]

That’s actually the true way of being casual lol
You don’t get forced into playing what you didn’t sign up for

[odd plume]

keep in mind that having best gear for 1 valk doesnt do anything, you want a team
if you care about MA, you can just check the leaderboard or MA ref on youtube and see what they used then check what you have and plan from there

[sweet flax]

To each their own, i was casual before going competitice and all I had was dailies > events > bad abyss run for clearance crystals so I can pulls the charas i want

[narrow heron]

I was just casually thinking of how I would spend my um weekly attempts while gradually walking towards making gears for waifus, don’t care about meta that much

[gloomy acorn]

Running p1 setup on ma would require a lot of stigma cooking

[narrow heron]

It’s not like HoT would ever be viable anyways lol

[narrow heron]

I’m one level more casual than that for HI3rd
Yeah that’s also how I play zzz when I’m in my casual phase for that, don’t skip events

But that’s cuz I played those other games from day 1, if it’s an old game I literally can’t keep up and catch up with I don’t feel like doing events is worth it for me

I did do like a few events tho, unwillingly so cuz I was in dire need of resources as a returning player, but I’m chilling now

[odd plume]

hard to give casual advice, can't say if this is casual enough when it take like half a year to farm something not good

[narrow heron]

As it was said it’s just time rather than grind

I do a few clicks and they pile up over time, until tickets run out, then I may do just enough events to get the tickets

They’re probably pretty cheap to buy in event shops

But I understand, even g3 for this case is still a better option than Benares

Cuz it can later be evolved into bis which is g4

Altho g3 will also take a lot of time, probably as much as a purchasable set

I was also thinking of making the apho Bronya bis set but without conversion it takes too much time

So are there cases where a purchasable set is better than the best g4 set?

Cuz if not I may as well commit to converting them to forging materials

[sweet flax]

Less time if anything, depends on efficiency for roughly similar value

[sweet flax]

Rare cases

[narrow heron]

This is making it hard now, can you tell me which units for example still have their bis sets as purchasable items rather than forging a g4 set?

How many vacation tickets does realm of battle need per week?

I was just calculating how long it takes me to runout of them

If I lite UM, there’s 10 for that, there’s also 60 for 3 sets of adventure tasks in the open world, and then there’s realms of battle but I’ve don’t remember hoe many it needed

I have like 1k vacation tickets right now so it should be fine for a good while

[granite brook]

yes

[narrow heron]

And we also get 40 per week from elysian shop

[sweet flax]

Hov, ae, hofs, etc....

All irrelevant units nowadays but I doubt that matters

Sorry for the delay i had an interview to attend

[narrow heron]

Can you say the name of the characters instead of the suits cuz that’s what matters to me and I still haven’t learned the shorthands yet

[sweet flax]

20ish iirc

[sweet flax]

Use the glossary

[ancient needle]

27

[narrow heron]

So we need 90 per week, 40 of which we get from Elysian shop

[narrow heron]

That’s such a non-round number

[sweet flax]

90 per week? Dafuq you liting everything?

[ancient needle]

Events give a lot, as long as you play them you'll stay positive

[ancient needle]

Why wouldn't you 🗿

[narrow heron]

Yeah why would I not

[gloomy acorn]

You don't?

[sweet flax]

I'll chill with my 2k tickets then

[ancient needle]

Imejin not LITEing the interview

[gloomy acorn]

I'm still at 2.7k despite liting everything

[sweet flax]

Sim battle takes like 1 min total, the answer to the quiz is always all of the above why not

[narrow heron]

Yeah i guess I’ll end up doing a little bit of the events for the tickets when I finally run out of them after 4 more months lol

[narrow heron]

Oh shit I forgot to ask those, altho sim battle rewards don’t matter so I’d rather not do them at all

[sweet flax]

Like outside adventure taks mirage and realms no point using them

[narrow heron]

How many did the quiz need?

[sweet flax]

5?

Maybe 2 actually

Idr

[narrow heron]

So it would be like 99 per week

[sweet flax]

Just check ingame next Monday everything resets you can do a count then

[narrow heron]

10 for um
3*20 for adventure tasks
27 for RoB
And a few for the quiz

And Sim battles ain’t worth it

[sweet flax]

I'm gonna lite your life

[narrow heron]

So we need like a 60/week income to lite all of these

[sweet flax]

Just use hot in all of them and clear in 10-20 seconds max

[narrow heron]

I have never done them lol maybe I’ll see what they are next refresh

[sweet flax]

Free rewards, who would pass that up tbf

[narrow heron]

I have only lited them a few times for a bit of change money

Couldn’t find where I could enter the challenge at first and just gave up lol

Never to try to look for it again

[dry shadow]

How do I decide what units to run in MA if I don't yet have 3 p2 teams geared? Just by typing and enemy weaknesses?

[calm kernel]

you can try training mode first to see what teams work on what bosses

[sweet flax]

@abstract sequoia

[abstract sequoia]

[lime talon]

which to pick

[thick bolt]

#👶beginner-help message

[lime talon]

also which chapter do i have to finish? it doesn't redirct me to the right one

[thick bolt]

Doesn't matter much since you get one per week till you have them all but heres the order

[raw hamlet]

Am i able to farm the kiana stigmata or is it in the gacha only?

[sweet flax]

depends which kiana, be more specific

[raw hamlet]

these ones

[sweet flax]

those are craftable

[lime talon]

help i cant find which chapter

[sweet flax]

@lime talon

[raw hamlet]

are all stigmata craftable or nay

[sweet flax]

no

[raw hamlet]

how do you tell

[sweet flax]

all part 2 stigmatas are craftable
part 1 stigmatas that are older has a chance of appearing in exchange shop or foundry

[raw hamlet]

i see, thanks

[rigid spade]

Hi, I'm new! I know basically nothing, I do want to play, am I too late to start considering the game is in patch 8.something by now?

[sweet flax]

there's never a "too late" the earlier the better

[cold skiff]

in the story you will be playing as for example shadow dash and she will go super hersher, is this just a story thing or can you do it outside in the endgame content?

[sweet flax]

although do keep in mind this game has a competitive system where most rewards (mainly crystals) are locked behind, so I need to know if you plan on playing casually or competitively before guiding you to anything

[sweet flax]

keep story content outside of this channel

[rigid spade]

I'm more casual, I don't think I'll be grinding out any competitive rewards and achieve high scores in those modes

[sweet flax]

also there's no such term as "super herrscher"

[rigid spade]

Oh hey himeko, I know that name haha

[cold skiff]

its more related to how they transform in reference to super saiyan

[sweet flax]

fair enough, id suggest playing at your own pace then, do feel free to ask if you have any concerns regarding ingame systems though keep in mind helpers will default to giving meta-oriented advice as that's the best advice for account progression/building

make sure to let them know you are casual or at least mention that you arent interested in endgame at the moment

if you dont want that kind of advice

[sweet flax]

I think the part where I said "keep story content out of this channel" still holds prevelant

[rigid spade]

Oh, that's fine, I do intend on building an account like "properly" because in gacha games it is easy to drown in content you can't complete easily by messing up in the early game

[sweet flax]

you're a rare beginner

[rigid spade]

That's how I got burnt out on hsr haha

[lime talon]

lmao my strategy is the compelte oppisite

[sweet flax]

lmao fair enough, in that case you are basically a meta player since that's the main thing to do

[rigid spade]

Made a lot of early mistakes by not watching guides/asking for advice and just struggled with story

[sweet flax]

meta in this game doesnt mean "this good this bad" its mostly "this is the best way to go about building my account"

[thick bolt]

Good news here, your own units don't matter for story since the game gives you the trial units to use since ch 6 onwards

So no gacha lock there

[sweet flax]

ye

[rigid spade]

Ohhh so being a meta player doesn't mean pulling for only the best characters

[sweet flax]

gacha is purely for endgame content and some event stages (where you will be given trial units but can use your own units)

[lime talon]

wait how does Q manifold work? I get the message unable to enter

[thick bolt]

Today is thursday, off day for abyss

Abyss has 2 cycles, Mon - Wed, Fri-Sun

[lime talon]

oh lmao i ssee the preparring for abyss 19hrs

[sweet flax]

not necessarily no, meta more specifically means pulling for what grants you the most benefit compared to cost
though with how part 2 works (p2 units are both dps and supports) there is room for leniency in pulling your favorite units depending on the situation

although I will say from now just so you dont get a false idea, while the gacha system in this game is more fair than hsr, the game is more strict with gear, valks NEED their equipment which tends to be 99% of the time their gacha gear

[rigid spade]

Oh so before I go pulling for a character, I should also save up for their gear?

[sweet flax]

so before you pull, you normally want to ask yourself these questions if you want to have as smooth of an experience as possible:

1. how does this unit benefit me
2. is this unit extremely niche
3. how is my current crystal savings looking like

[sweet flax]

ye, but beginners get a lot of crystals this wont be an issue early on

generally we recommend having around 30k crystals before pulling, 42k is max pity so the closer to that the better, and there is no 5050 in this game

[rigid spade]

I mean, I do intend on watching a guide/overview of most characters so I can find one I like before deciding to pull.

[sweet flax]

ah keep in mind valks from 7.4 and earlier might no longer rerun on banners most likely

if they do it will be a banner dedicated to whales until they are farmable in the future

[rigid spade]

Then how do you get characters from really early?

You just don't?

[sweet flax]

depends how early, hoyo tends to give more relevant valks for free at times or make them farmable if they are more outdated

but generally speaking these valks hold no value and are mainly used to obtain 1 time crystal sources and dorm level progression

[lime talon]

i cant play no more ;-;

[rigid spade]

Ah, so it's not recommended to use older units?

I'll keep that in mind when looking for a character to pull

[sweet flax]

some older units still have their uses, and there is a special type of gear called "divine keys" which hoyo can make for an older valk to be more relevant now (such as hohe (elysia) this patch)

though those are not as common

feel free to ask about it, but do keep in mind that 99% of them are pretty useless

[worldly prism]

Hi, are helia and Coralie worth anything for old accounts? My only astral ring unit rn is hoh
Also, I got enough purple frags to get any of the units among sushang senti empyrea and Mobius (least relevant)

[sweet flax]

regarding war treausry check the pin if you want a more definitive answer

as for coralie and helia, yes do get them if your hohe has her dkey, she needs supports

[worldly prism]

Ik they're outdated but I could use one or another best for the options I have

[sweet flax]

dont make any specific gear for them as coralie's weapon is available for free and helia will be replaced extremely quick

although do prefer using jk/rc/kira as the 3rd slot as helia offers no buffs helpful to hohe and is unlocked mainly for dorm levels + elysian realm crystals

[worldly prism]

Ok! I was wondering whether they were bringing enough to replace the older units like lapine ect

[sweet flax]

well I answered that too

?

oh its a bot

or not

[amber finch]

test

[amber finch]

i think it’s just a random guy

[final solstice]

what the

i didnt type anything

[amber finch]

well you did from those 2 messages

[amber finch]

gotta check your account security

[sweet flax]

[final solstice]

aight thx

[worldly prism]

I checked the pinned message but I'm not quite sure they've ranked azure empyrea in the priority list, I thought she was more relevant than most of them, also what is the starter's manual they were referring to and how much time does it take a regular player to afford these usually?

[rugged compass]

AE is not in ER or stress test
Shes kinda like the last valk you would ever choose from wt...

But she should still be listed so idk why

[thick bolt]

pin only lists the ones in ER, any not in are ignored

...

[amber finch]

not this again

has he completely taken over you

za bruh are you there

ok i think we need a mod here

what the it stopped

nvm

[thick bolt]

<@&421210366132092929> the bot got em, need the boot

[amber finch]

he fought valiantly

alas the hacker got to him

[amber finch]

anyways why should she be listed when she isnt in er or any stress tests like you said

she isnt even remotely useful nowadays

[sly helm]

who do I pick?

[rugged compass]

Makes sense

[amber finch]

ta if you havent owned her

fyi all of these valks are farmable

[sly helm]

okay, thank you!

[sweet flax]

mfw "log out of all devices" exists

[worldly prism]

Alr Ty... It's just that I'm looking for teams I can pass the agony pool with and I'm limited 😭 ER I already have a lot of stuff to clear rn so it's not like getting new chars for their crystals in ER on purpose was my priority, I'll probably get hoS since it's first on the list, unless jk is worth it for my hoh 🥲 I don't really have physical DPS to make her helpful with, unless pink elf can make a use out of it but it'd be just as clunky, since I have the gear of neither HoS nor JK

[potent crow]

what does "advanced scenes" means? why doesnt Taixuan steps have it?

[raw hamlet]

When in the story will i be able to use my own characters? Or is it all just trial characters

[odd plume]

after chapter 24 or so, they still give you trial valk but you can pick your own, not freely however

[raw hamlet]

thanks

[autumn oxide]

@amber finch check my bio

[narrow heron]

Do we know the banners of the next patch?

I’m not sure how this game’s timelines work yet but since CN seems to be ahead I think they should be public information sooner than the other games right?

[ancient needle]

Not yet, CN is still in beta

[ancient needle]

Yes, CN is 4 weeks ahead of other servers

[narrow heron]

How many more weeks till it’s public info then?

[ancient needle]

Should be 1 more week

[narrow heron]

Does hi3rd also have a special program previewing next patch content and if so how many more weeks till that

[ancient needle]

We have Hyperion Lounge, yes
Not sure whether CN has that

It happens a couple days before the next patch drops iirc

[quick birch]

Yeah the last one was like 5 days before the update

[narrow heron]

So it would be in almost a month

[quick birch]

Yes

[narrow heron]

I wanted to ask who will be on 8.2’s banners but I realized it’s probably still beta info and shouldn’t be discussed here but then I remembered some videos showing the reworked BP shop and system that were shared here despite looking like they were from cn beta, so like, can someone clear up to what extend can we discuss future versions in this server?

[sweet flax]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[narrow heron]

Talking about beta content is fine there?