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[cyan surge]

wait what boss is that considered ?

[lament prairie]

it was hoc I think

were discussing the fire mobbing before it

[vernal terrace]

Asa does

[neon narwhal]

#🎮honkai-chat message

[vernal terrace]

Already @ them to it lol

[neon narwhal]

oh lol

[misty hazel]

Is the new astra op worth it for my account or should I pull silverwing’s new gear? I can get both but idk whether I should do that or save for the future since there seem to be no new valks this patch

[open bone]

do you currently have any astral ops? and how many crystals

[cunning gull]

also do you care about nirvana

[misty hazel]

I have songque and chenxue rn and I only have about 12k crystals but I’m 40 sway on character supply, 17 away for weapon and basically guaranteed an astra op since I tried to pull for Teresa last time and went to super high pity

[open bone]

I would skip astralop, YY needs SS and you can't afford that

I would probably get SW dkey and then save

just use Sonq for her shill

as aop

or chen for horb

[misty hazel]

Oh I haven’t been in nirvana for like 2 yrs now so probably not

[misty hazel]

Who is YY and SS?

[cunning gull]

then it won't matter, seeing your xtals count

[cunning gull]

youyun
ss is the rank

youyun can benefit you but you'll be fine in rl and below

[misty hazel]

Ohh I see! I thought there was like a character she needs

[open bone]

yeah no I just mean S rank youyun is sad

[cunning gull]

do get sw dkey tho
i assume you have sw already?

even if not she's available in war treasury but it takes time

[misty hazel]

Yes I have her ss!

[cunning gull]

that's pretty solid, get her dk then

[misty hazel]

Okk!

[cunning gull]

you can rank her further if you want

but if you have valks to unlock from war treasry then i would consider that first

[open bone]

I would max a week, you can still slowly gain AL while maxing 1 valk frags

[misty hazel]

Oh yes I’m planning to! I had no idea they added her in war treasures haha, I remember pulling for her weapon still

Are any of these valks worth getting?

[cunning gull]

oh nvm u don't have any valk to grab

[open bone]

those are all AW valks so they wont comete with her anyway

wilverwing is AL

[misty hazel]

Yeah I figured since they’re all pretty old… I’ll get some more sw fragments then!

Thank you for your help! I’ll get sw divine key and work on sssing her

[cunning gull]

[jade zephyr]

for fire kosma is fws/lv/fdd or xdc a valid team
or could lv dps be better...?

[open bone]

do you have Paws?

if you do I would just use fdd dps

[jade zephyr]

naur

[open bone]

Vita/Hofi?

[jade zephyr]

also a no

[open bone]

and no teri

then it sounds like yeah just do badum xdc fdd

and hope

[jade zephyr]

LOL okay ty

[lyric blaze]

do the twitch drops form the event automatically go to my in game mail?

[steady gyro]

what rewards will be given to returning players at the moment?

[finite barn]

You go to the drops inventory and claim them and they're sent to your mail

[pulsar veldt]

Is pulling for NEXs weapon worth grinding 35 pulls?
Ive played for around an hour to 2 hours each day and ive barely got 1 pull in that time excluding dailies

Is the damage increase massive?

[pulsar veldt]

As one who is pretty early game, and owns all 3 of the new NEX stigma

[steady gyro]

been away for far too long and iirc, the strongest ones i have are finality kiana and origin mei, theyre still strong today right?

[craggy plume]

Fundamentally she can't work in a astral ring team without weapon, so generally I would say so, but you may be at a point where it is better to be certain that you can guarantee next patch's valk instead of trying to get SW to work. Stigs do not do something without weapon so you may be better off using Perry or another cheap ice dps set over them if you aren't getting weapon.

[craggy plume]

For abyss I would not expect higher then A3 with old gear trio at this point, HoFi really wants Waxing moon to reliably compete in RL and probably also needs a decent amount of ranks on the team.

[steady gyro]

idk who or what that is

i left before the 2nd part or whatever its called came out

[craggy plume]

HoFi is Herrscher of Finality.
Waxing Moon is a new weapon for HoFi which was released around Lone Planetfarer's release.

In practice you can't really expect more then A2/A3 bounce without astral ring teams at this point.

[steady gyro]

i know who herrscher of finality is, thats why i specifically said finality kiana ;v;

and shes got a new weapon besides the original?

[craggy plume]

Yes. https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Waxing_Moon

[steady gyro]

oh i have domain of genesis

damn

what about origin mei

[craggy plume]

The most recent RL clears I have seen have been reliant on Waxing Moon on HoFi + ranks on HoO.

[steady gyro]

i pretty much forgot what everything is like atp

where can i get waxing moon rn

[pulsar veldt]

I only have one other astral ring valk rn, i think if you took a guess you could get it right

Side note, do all DKeys give astral rings?

[craggy plume]

Pray that it reruns or gets added to BP, currently there is no way to get it.
I would just treat it as a fresh start and crutch on your old setups until you can get new things over trying to get your old setups to work as the rank requirement on Trio is pretty harsh for decent RL performance.

[craggy plume]

You can always do SW, DA:FL,VBm if you have nothing else. Only Stellar keys give Astral rings

[pulsar veldt]

Ah
Who is DA FL? I dont think ive encountered that combo of first letters before

[craggy plume]

Deepspace Anchor: First Light

[pulsar veldt]

Uh huh
Google time

Is that the free event char?

[craggy plume]

Yes

[pulsar veldt]

I can only assume she gets a sig too
How difficult will this one be?

(Ive been grinding mats for the weapon shop, only have 2 bounty weapons rn, i wish you could sell spirits)

[craggy plume]

You don't get her weapon for support use.

It is available from reserve works for 10 crystallum

[steady gyro]

do u know what the returning rewards are btw

[pulsar veldt]

Battle pass material, ok, prob not gonna grab that then, Very sad

Thank you, i think ill try pulling for the weapon, its in for a while, and my character pity is still at 55

[lyric blaze]

wait does it take a while? i claimed some stuff yesterday and it hasnt come through yet

[open bone]

returnee awards are pretty weak

a few crystals and some pulls for an old valkyrie

[lean isle]

do you guys got any rl clear without bronya dlc, but with ss youyun?

[craggy plume]

Current boss is Quantum Fire and TFM:C shill and shouldn't use SW at all? I don't think any of the cope option use SW either?

[lean isle]

most of what i see on youtube use it as sub dps for astral ring

[craggy plume]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ShSoBwEwt

[lean isle]

holy, thanks man

[static pine]

What astral op do i get for herrscher of rebirth

[craggy patrol]

Does SW with Div key get any benefit from SS, I feel I already had my burst constantly. Is it worth keep pushing her to SSS or HoHE with Div key to SSS (from SS) more worth?

[jade zephyr]

Probably sw because she will be shilled in the foreseeable future of abyss, her ranks are all decent upgrades + they give atk which will make her stronger

[jade zephyr]

Its not recommended to pull an astralop if youre a casual player especially not for just one character since theyre not the best investment without funds
But it would be youyun

[craggy patrol]

Yea, that true. Tho this update feels more like a Yunyun update, she is kinda insane for being only an astral Op

[jade zephyr]

Also hohe is a bit of a lackluster support option & hasnt been used as dps a lot recently, so youre not going to suffer from not having her ranks at least for the next few weeks

[static pine]

I mean ive been playing for like 7 ish years but im constantly on and off. Seele has always been my favorite anime girl so I just wanna max her out. My only investments are pretty much all into her. So would you recommend pulling? (Im also considering p2w)

[craggy patrol]

~15 weeks, only 10 frags/week sadly

[jade zephyr]

Are you aware of the next patch?

[static pine]

Yes thats why im back lol

Did i miss the entries for beta?

I havent checked the beta server in a while because its on a diff discord

[jade zephyr]

Okay, well ||youyun will work with both horb & the next seele,|| so if you do want to lob funds into her, it is a good investment for you. However it isnt necessary if youre on & off because astralops only affects abyss malding

[static pine]

Pulling now

[static pine]

Did i miss beta entry for seele though if you know?

[jade zephyr]

Hmm I do not know but probably not since we just got the announcement (abt the new battlesuit)

[static pine]

Ill do it when i get home then bet

[jade zephyr]

Also I would recommend going ss youyun if you can spare the crystals, ss makes her a lot better

[static pine]

Whats the best investment for p2ws and how much would it cost to max out new seele

[static pine]

Consider it done

I will lowkey drop 500-1k on seele if i need to

[jade zephyr]

Do you have syn3 on horb dkey?

I would say thats a good investment because each gives all your valks +5 atk

[static pine]

Syn3?

[jade zephyr]

Yes, 3 copies

[static pine]

Oh yes

I did that f2p actually

[jade zephyr]

At the moment we dont know ||what her best team will be, but it will likely include silverwing (and definitely youyun)||

[static pine]

Oh then ill buy her and how much does it cost to SSS with weapon

[jade zephyr]

Silverwing needs dkey
Also hmm I dont know the calculations on that

#📿gacha-salt🧂 message I can refer you to this

[static pine]

Oh ok

Tyy

[static pine]

How would i obtain that

[jade zephyr]

Her dkey is in the equipment supply right now :)

[static pine]

OH BET

Goodbye wallet

[jade zephyr]

Equipment supply a

[static pine]

I might just buy the gems straight up

[eager dawn]

Who to use for N-EX if I don't have HoRe?

I shouldn't back roll yeah

[craggy plume]

What other options do you have for Domain Resonance

[eager dawn]

These

[craggy plume]

For last boss you would probably run SW,HLE,FWS/LP. LP is slower but more damage while FWS is faster.

[eager dawn]

Thanks

[exotic nacelle]

is it worth getting sleepy teri's weap in bp if i have her unlocked already?

[spiral raven]

do u have sparkle

[exotic nacelle]

nope

just got lucky with teri and got her on her first banner on the discounted pull

but never invested in her after

[spiral raven]

ig u can go for it if you want then, or can save it for chars who have more significant upgrades from stamps

like whenever vita is added to bp

[exotic nacelle]

[spiral raven]

but all teri has atp is just one cycle on lightning pig

[exotic nacelle]

kinda sad that ||new Seele isn't quant||

[spiral raven]

which if you have high rank spork she takes it anyways

[exotic nacelle]

would've saved me a lot of thinking if she was

[spiral raven]

well its just one cycle anyways

so its how much u care about that

then she not seen anywhere else

[exotic nacelle]

yeah, it's just annoying getting screwed over every time a quantum abyss comes around lol

guess it's better to live with that though, at least until the next quantum dps comes along

[steady gyro]

is it worth pulling for sparkle

[cunning gull]

no
shes a rerun and reruns are low value
also shes in a kind of supply that doesnt share pity so if u dont have enough rolls for hard pity at least then kiss your pity goodbye

but at the same time, ascenion supply (the one shes in) is usually the last supply a valk have and then the only other way would be bp or being free evantually

also fyi she may be a collab but shes a hoyo ip so shes not a once then gone valk

[steady gyro]

well i just returned and idk where to start

[cunning gull]

here

you can also share what stuff does your account have to see its quality
if you want

[opaque bay]

I got her for first dorm pity

now what?

[cunning gull]

beginner or level 80+?

[opaque bay]

Beginner

[cunning gull]

then you can use these setups #👶beginner-help message

for reference if you want to use her in endgame later on she hes new equipment that you would need to use her
but its not really recommended to get it
unless you really like her

but otherwise these cheap gears are enough for early content

[opaque bay]

Im grinding universal mirage to get her 3pc set but god knows where the weapon is

[cunning gull]

its gacha only

[opaque bay]

pain 😭

[cunning gull]

also dont grind the prism stigs
getting it woithout the weapon is not worth it

[opaque bay]

thx

[cunning gull]

because they need the weapon to function

[opaque bay]

whew

[cunning gull]

actually her new weapon will rerun this patch
but as i said not a recommended pull
unless u simp for her

[opaque bay]

gotta get bronya sig first

[eager dawn]

Wait so new Seele is ||lightning?||
Would it be fine to back roll for Mei then? I have new Rita and the last physical unit I had was Sushang

[opaque bay]

she was free anyway

[cunning gull]

yes good plan

shes higher prio

[opaque bay]

I have everything but weapon and im on the verge of tears

[steady gyro]

where is abyss again

[opaque bay]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-high-cortisol-angry-frustrated-uma-musume-gif-2226698162514418955

[cunning gull]

keep on doing story, can also do elysian realm
theres still a lot of time to get it

[cunning gull]

is that all the part 2 that you have?

i still dont suggest backpulling

[eager dawn]

No, I have several

[cunning gull]

can you show?

[cunning gull]

from start menu
its either superstring or q-manifold

[opaque bay]

superstring high cortisol bad

learned my lesson on my previous acc

[cunning gull]

superstring is fine

[cunning gull]

hmm you have a lot of units
less reason to backpull

focus on new releases instead

[eager dawn]

Alright then. I'm not sure how impactful Seele will be in roster
Maybe I'll just wait for a new physical

[cunning gull]

dont pick based on element
we pick based on long term value in anything

also u have ps for physical anyways

ttechnically jds but shesnt not performing well as a leader aside from her own boss

or is used as a support

[eager dawn]

Yeah as I thought

[cunning gull]

more of old age tbf
but i digress

[steady gyro]

is dorm supply worth pulling on tho

[neon narwhal]

never worth, it's just the dump for the 20 pulls for spending event for the most part

[steady gyro]

ig ill just play some elysian realm first

i wonder how it will feel like after experiencing the romantic story that is amphoreus

[steady gyro]

kinda considered getting HoTr

is vita a good pull tho

in the returner banner

[neon narwhal]

beyond the free pulls no, rather use crystals for new releases

also hotr is in the reserve works in bp as well if you want her for waifu reasons

[steady gyro]

that and trio combo iirc

where can i get her weapon besides gacha tho

or is it not possible

[neon narwhal]

it's also in reserve works

[steady gyro]

forgot to ask, where is that

[craggy plume]

Under the battlepass menu

[steady gyro]

ok

[neon narwhal]

bp balls are perma so can save upto that.
Will take a while if you're not buying bp since it's 5 balls per patch

[steady gyro]

damn

[neon narwhal]

disclaimer though, trio is barely used at all anymore, maybe for some MA stages? There's definitely better options so it's probably for cope ig

[lime grail]

what

how does wod get ari through resonance attacks and ws through phantoms?

[half hatch]

translation mistake

just swap the AR names

[lime grail]

oh alr

[steady gyro]

hmm it looks like i can claim a divine key, does it matter which one i choose?

i can choose between jizo and tai xuan

[cunning gull]

either is fine
but pick the one that have the gene limit that you use the most rn

you can get all Realm of battle dkeys eventually
once a week

[civic loom]

can use songque OP SS instead of DS SSS for SW nex dlc?

[steady gyro]

where can i find sensei missions

[neon narwhal]

friends -> sensei tab on the right

[steady gyro]

hmm should i pull for helia

nvm ima just try

[pulsar dune]

What teammates does lantern want?

[jade zephyr]

Yes

[jade zephyr]

Probably Rita (ME) & hle

Other options if you dont have are vita & sena

[elfin parrot]

not recommended since this is a rerun

[elfin parrot]

adding on to what ivan said, if you lack those options then look for any valk with the tag that matches lantern's ring type

lantern is wheel of destiny ring type
wheel ring type matches with harmonzied shadow star tag
so look for supports with shadow star tags

[pulsar dune]

Ok!

[left summit]

who is good in elysian realm cuz HLE is shit now lol

[elfin parrot]

i don't think she should be that bad? https://i.imgur.com/vPZhgX5.png like most of these effects still work for her, and she can prob take most of the lower cost load effects

but anyway generally ER changes to suit the more recent releases. Try using SW

[left summit]

i dont have her stigma all the way up only level 45 will its still work?

[elfin parrot]

ER is honestly quite lenient especially for just abstinence difficulty for weekly 500 crystals

i can't make any guarantees since i'm not too keen on the details but i would be surprised if that doesn't clear for crystals

make sure you're picking appropriate signets and playing appropriately.

any other details you can elaborate to me? What signet choices are you picking? How are you playing your valk? what about her weapon?

there's no need to clear ER fast either. There's no reward or leaderboard for a faster clear time. Certainly it's more practical for a regular actvity but make sure this clear time is practical (real time. Not a low in game time that's full of time stops that makes it longer than a different kind of run)

[left summit]

im using the hoyolab HLE build and its the same build that I've been easily clearing ER with since 8.5, buit now her damage is shitty

[elfin parrot]

again the effects changes per patch to suit latest valks

naturally HLE will feel worse from this in some cases but she should still be recent enough to be clearable for max crystals

[left summit]

i get that but her damage shouldn't go from easy to shit in one patch thats bullshit

[elfin parrot]

if the valk is different enough from the latest release then it's possible. It's a sharp contrast but it's not like they're under any obligation for the balance in ER

anyway try a different valk. Especially something more recent.

if you really want to stick with HLE, review your details with her. ER doesn't stay the same but some valks can still be reasonably viable with some adjustments

[left summit]

i did i tried using Mei and she was doin g even worse damage

[elfin parrot]

you said you referred to some hoyolab post? Keep in mind that's a hub full of other user contributions. Consider checking out the ER guide we have in the pins here

albeit afaik that guide is from some CN speedrunning community and may not offer the most practical options either

[left summit]

that was the HLE one I uses sorry i forgot

[elfin parrot]

yeah and i'm just saying you might have to try something else if you want to continue using HLE

[left summit]

but the builds are the exact same???

[elfin parrot]

but truthfully i'm not the best to answer on this topic. I mostly use sleepy teri where i can put her to sleep and go afk, and she does enough damage

[left summit]

oh wait they are different

[elfin parrot]

generally every character nowadays have 2 different type of builds. One where they go into outburst and one where they stay in ARC

but also idk what each guides would specify

they prob aren't the exact same

as far as clearing ER at all goes, the finer choices prob don't matter too much as long as they make sense.

But as far as having HLE stay the same, unfortunately that simply isn't going to be the case because ER changes over time.

[neon perch]

i love herscher of rebirth and want to play her as main damage dealer. will she be strong or at least not bad without silver string?

[elfin parrot]

Currently Silverwing is the only support that can grant stellar surplus mechanic to world star leaders like HoRb

!faq surplus

[night parcel]

Stellar Surplus

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Some characters allow the team to continue gaining [Astral Ring Intensity (ARI)](#st-freya-bot-cmd message) even after SO is ready. This enters a state called Stellar Surplus, providing further effects:

• Surplus state has its own meter. Depending on how much more ARI is gained at specific thresholds...

  • more buffs and/or debuffs are applied only for this state.
  • separate buffs and/or debuffs are applied upon entering SO.

• Stellar Surplus has different effects in different Astral Ring Specializations:

  • WoD: If the character enabling the Surplus state is the leader, filling one bar will allow that leader to use a Phantom support attack outside of SO and start a short Rondo.
  • WS: If the character enabling the Surplus state is the leader, filling one bar will allow the leader to consume QME

[elfin parrot]

whether surplus is important or not can depend on the fight (edit: and also what else you have. Especially gacha astral ops that aren't recommended for F2ps)

but it's a notable mechanic

if you have to do without SW, you can prob still achieve ok results with other supports without surplus. What kind of goals do you have with her?

[elfin parrot]

it's possible there will be fights where you don't have the time or luxury to charge much into surplus for its higher buffs. At that point you may more prefer to use stronger/faster supports.

[neon perch]

i want her to complete agony III good when its her weather there

[bleak blade]

how the hell do i beat kosma he has so much health am i supposed to do something to reduce his health or smth

(abyss)

[elfin parrot]

i don't think SW is a hard requirement then. Try top 3 Red Lotus or general nirvana tiers for that.

But if you're very focused on HoRb, i do think SW is good to pick up for the +10 account atk and just to have surplus handy for select situations at a relatively cheap cost (weapon only).

[elfin parrot]

it's a qua enemy. Do you understand how their collapse layers work?

[neon perch]

okay, thanks for help

[bleak blade]

uhh it was from evasion right

but that still does not really help

i either get a too low score or straight up die

[elfin parrot]

i also will say if you're very focused on HoRb, SS (two copies) Youyun astral op is also a consideration but this is also something to only appreciate at a high RL/nirvana level. F2p wise she is not recommended.

[elfin parrot]

there's an ingame tutorial you may want to check out. Attack > events tab > tactics class > mechanics tab > QUA

but basically qua enemies start in a state where they have heavy damage reduction

to remove this damage reduction you need to remove the diamonds below their hp bar

there's a few methods to do this.

• The primary way is to wait until they do specific attacks (denoted by a special sound and visual effect) that you must evade properly against, then land a hit with the same valk. Each of these remove one layer. EDIT: these attacks are usually predetermined at some order in the sequence of the boss' attacks but the specific attacks reaching that point might still be random within a pool of attacks.
• some bosses might have gimmicks and minigames to remove additional layers (not abyss kosma)
• qua valks generally have ways to remove these layers (newer p2 valks generally can remove 2 layers in a short span)
• there's an old weapon called collapse cannon that lets you remove one layer with its weapon active. No longer relevant to the meta though.

once all layers are removed (it's all or nothing. Even one layer remaining will retain the heavy reduction), the boss will turn white and take significantly more damage for a set period of time. Then it'll regain its layers and the cycle repeats.

[bleak blade]

that explains it thank you so much

[elfin parrot]

glad to help. Qua scenarios are a common struggle concept for players

and it's because of such that they often are a strong opportunity to gain ahead of the competition even with unideal options if you know how to handle them

[bleak blade]

who would be the best p2 qua valk rn

simp?

[elfin parrot]

as a result the value of pulling qua valks are usually quite low

• although p2 qua valks have a notable advantage against older qua bosses like kosma or tonatiuh because collapsing two layers at once lets you skip long waits for their manual collapses for such cases

also while the purple states have heavy damage reduction, it's still time you need to sit through and it's still damage. Do not neglect it.

• in some cases, they can still be super squishy despite the reduction and you can opt to brute through it

[elfin parrot]

depends on weather/cycle but loosely speaking prob sparkle

technically speaking teri is slightly stronger in more neutral qua scenarios but sparkle should be able to score close enough.

They haven't really ran a teri weather to isolate sparkle away from teri. Meanwhile they have ran fire kosma/tona where teri (being lightning) doesn't come as close.

This patch they are actually running a lightning weather with qua boss iirc but i'm starting to hear strange results in CN where sparkle is still best??? #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message might be a whale situation though

[bleak blade]

damn i bought bp js for teri 😭

welp it is what it is

[elfin parrot]

while teri's value is arguably quite bad, if you already have her, you can still appreciate her enough (can prob still RL retain) for relevant situations

sleepy teri's value for me is more about ease of clearing elysian realm weekly too but that's not everyone's cup of tea (can ult her to sleep and go afk, but you do need to do this numerous times and menu to clear through the run)

teri also used to have value as a support to non astral ring lightning teams but now that lv has a stellar key, this is no longer notable. Maybe in MA you can find some use budget case still.

[bleak blade]

i see

[quick quest]

meanwhile I skipped both sleepi and sparkle, but it seems VQ can still comfortably pass qua side stages at 562D

[jade zephyr]

2 random questions
is chenxue ss good for trio team
also whats bronyas support combo

[half hatch]

Yes since Chenxue supports RoO

Basically just qte + CA for stellar drain and if you can ult for DMG

[jade zephyr]

Okok thank you

[finite barn]

i dont have eepy so i have to do the more involved dudu afk strat for ER

its more inputs because you gotta weapon skill and then press forward and then alt tab

[pulsar veldt]

How can you tell when NEX has her ultimate beam?

Sometimes it shows sometimes it doesnt for me, i think im missing somethin

[gusty oyster]

is it worth getting simp and her weapon from BP

[crude cloak]

Not at all, she's extremely niche

We'll probably have Vita in BP next patch, that would be worth getting

[crude cloak]

S2 rank for the most part

But if you don't have her at all it makes sense to get herself as well

Depends on what'll be in 9.0

[crude cloak]

What do you mean exactly by this? If your ult is on cooldown it's shown on the logo via it filling up clockwise

If it's full but gray it means you don't have enough SP

Would be best if you recorded what you meant

[gusty oyster]

i already have vita so just get her ranks then right

[crude cloak]

Pretty much
I don't think there's much point in going beyond S2

Depends on whether we'll get a Vita DPS cycle

[gusty oyster]

guess simp shall remain in the abyss for now

[vernal terrace]

Like maybe one more before she enters reserve works

[crude cloak]

And whether you'll be in Nirv at that point

And whether you have Chen

[pulsar veldt]

Like
Her ult button tap allows her to jump around

But when charged it has a beam
But the only time i can see it ready is if she has enough SP and she is benched

[crude cloak]

SS Vita also makes sense if you're forced to use her in WoD

[static pine]

@jade zephyr who would be seeles third teamate

[crude cloak]

The off-field indicator doesn't take the CD into account

So it can show up as "ready" but it's actually not

It just shows that you can afford it

[vernal terrace]

^

[pulsar veldt]

Thats the problem, it never shows if i can use it while on her directly
While im at high sp levels i spam attacking and holding q and pray it fires

[crude cloak]

That doesn't sound right

Does that happen during Stellar Outburst by any chance?

[vernal terrace]

If you don't use all the QME
Ult doesn't light up

[crude cloak]

Gotta use up all her resonance procs before you can ult

idr whether her ult gets locked in Surplus

If you get the resos

I assume it doesn't

[vernal terrace]

I'm gonna check

[vernal terrace]

It's locked during that then unlocks after you use up the QME

[crude cloak]

Interesting

[finite barn]

the sp bar is below your health bar

[crude cloak]

Then that's the issue most likely

[finite barn]

also you cant jump with ult after unlocking astral ring i thought?

[crude cloak]

You can turn off the skill that unlocks the jump button

[finite barn]

ah ok

[crude cloak]

In which case you can jump with ult

[pulsar veldt]

I dont have the astral ring yet

[finite barn]

well sp is below health, its either 100 or 75 i dont remember

[crude cloak]

Oooooooh

Yeah, no good indicator then

[vernal terrace]

You have to hold the button

[crude cloak]

Just know that you can ult at 75 SP

[finite barn]

yeah 75 sp cost

[vernal terrace]

HoRb was the same but you'd accidentally switch forms lol

[finite barn]

you just gotta look manually /shrug

[pulsar veldt]

I know how her attacks are used

Im just trying to figure out if theres any indecator other then being benched, or manually tracking sp for her ult beam

Seems like no, but thanks for help anyway

[finite barn]

nop

gl

[undone geyser]

how does one use sw as a support

is it just qte-combo-ult-combo then switch

or am i supposed to not combo after ulting

[vernal terrace]

I don't fully know but it might be the same for both WS and LoA
QTE > Blade attack then switch out?

[crude cloak]

Gotta check the stig 3pc

For buffs

Buffs are from QTE or ult

CA procs Stellar Drain

[vernal terrace]

Guess it is Ult

[crude cloak]

So pretty much that, but QTE can be replaced with ult and CA can be skipped if you don't need Stellar Drain and swap CD reset

You don't wanna be turning off QTEs in LoA, but in WS it can make sense depending on the run

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[undone geyser]

so after horb weap skill -> just qte and combo then switch?

[crude cloak]

Generally speaking yeah

[undone geyser]

okiedokie, and ult + combo if shes opening?

[crude cloak]

Yup

[undone geyser]

i dont actually need both though to proc all the buffs

[crude cloak]

But you wanna start with the supp that can do smth before the enemy spawns

Like HoRb

[undone geyser]

gotcha

so with this team, horb skill -> sw qte-combo then sparkle

(for outside stellar outburst)

[crude cloak]

Yup (assuming HoRb's WA procs SW's QTE)

[undone geyser]

tyyy

[crude cloak]

On the very first rot you should be able to do HoRb WA x2 -> SW ult + CA

That way you don't need to delay HoRb's WA

[vernal terrace]

Might have to stay on SW for the HC phase if this is for Kosma

[crude cloak]

Ye

I was speaking more generally

[undone geyser]

ooh perfect, thank you

[quaint sparrow]

...there's no way to get a single chara fragment before they enter War Treasury anymore, right?

[crude cloak]

Yeah xdd

[quaint sparrow]

welp

[vernal terrace]

I mean
PWO and Reserve Works but WT would be a better source

[crude cloak]

Should've committed back then leh

[crude cloak]

Both give stamps

[quaint sparrow]

yeah, know I can just grab stamps

was hoping to push to 50/50 rather than having to go to 59/50 and 'waste' the excess xD

if only I did like, a few more singles back in the day

[vernal terrace]

I have the same rank as you

[jade zephyr]

||the new seele? we dont know yet, but she is a world star unit so it could be any valkyrie with the "domain resonance" tag.|| horb is world star, so she needs domain resonance tag too

[vernal terrace]

Would guess most of HoRb's teams would be SW and Vita

[placid moss]

is there a new tutorial/guide for the new SilverWing equipment in Elysian Realm?

nvm I just searched on youtube with a filter on past week and it led to a vid with a hoyolab link

[steady gyro]

hmm i wonder how i managed to get fischl despite never joining during that time

[quick quest]

fischl is permanent, still in asterite shop

[steady gyro]

i forgot how i got her in the first place

[quaint saffron]

Hello guys, may I ask, on 00:24 timestamp,
how did they lose 35 hitcount?
weap of lantern? presence of Mei?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6_-SZigGr0

[quick quest]

looks like it's from lantern ult

[last hull]

How’s ScI Vita SW for this cycle?

Or could I use better supports

Also does making a correct prediction do anything?

[quaint saffron]

yeah, it seems it really is.
I didn't know she have hitcount also when she ults. XD
eitherway, i can't replicate the run. 😆
the perks of using lantern = fast break, but yeah, even then, can't do-

so i just go to Vita-Badum instead- welp-

[cunning gull]

non qua scores trash here
try it, if youre lucky enough it can retain rl too

[neon narwhal]

nah, only for yourself so you can prefarm mats for max benefit

[edgy hamlet]

Sparka abyss

I sleep

[last hull]

But Im using ScI

[last hull]

Ah ok

[cunning gull]

yeah im saying that's ur best option

[last hull]

Mb I framed the question horribly

Are those the best supports I could use or are there better optiobs

(+ SW)

I was assuming Vita for Hitcount and breach snd SW for surplus and also hitcount

How does one use SW as a support

[mortal jetty]

Spam basic in SO

Or qte+CA if no SO

[lyric blaze]

is stellar surplus exclusive to rita and sw for now?

[half hatch]

Yes but I'd be surprised if they wouldn't go forward with it and stop releasing valks with it

It's just a relatively new mechanic

[last hull]

They made an AOp w SS I doubt they’re leaving this mechanic behind

[half hatch]

Yeah same

[last hull]

649 so far :kms:

Im lacking damage so badly post 1st SO

[cunning gull]

use lamp here
or even another third slot rather than hle
this is ice down

sw works but u have lamp thats worth trying

[cunning gull]

i assume i need more hook strength?

[sleek imp]

Definitely

[cunning gull]

ok time to do smth else then

[sleek imp]

Unlock additional strength in the lab

[cunning gull]

no coins ☹️

[sleek imp]

Get some

[cunning gull]

gated by mats

[sleek imp]

My gripe with the event is that upgrades require story progress smh

Guess I'll skip, not in a mood for reading

[neon narwhal]

actually forcing me to do the story

[cunning gull]

same...

[wicked mason]

can SW inflict Rime Trauma?

[sleek imp]

I don't think so

[wicked mason]

how the hell do you do SSS Kalpas then

[sleek imp]

https://tenor.com/view/elysia-elysia-hi3-hi3-honkai-love-elf-gif-9839861353335365317

[open bone]

HLE or Thelema supp

Can probably also use P1 freeze supps those work surprisingly well with dkey swing

So RC say

If you got nothing else

[wicked mason]

I have SW HoR HLE and its not giving me enough time to break his thing

[open bone]

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ko9DBRE4i

[open bone]

This is with XDC over Horb but probably you can steal some ideas

[hybrid quail]

uhhhhh... my game glitched for a bit, iwas already leveld up the T piece to max and now it disappear????

if i f up accidentally salvage it did i just lost my prism???

[open bone]

If you did yeah. This is why we lock stigs

[hybrid quail]

why th it unequip after i fully max it smh my head

this one kinda cringe

[last hull]

I thought Lantern was mid as a WS support

Shouldn’t Vita be enough for the hitcount

Should I try and go like Badum then?

[novel kettle]

whats the difference between songque and youyun?

[sleek imp]

HigoPeekPing

[turbid pebble]

Ghost ping too?

[sleek imp]

yea...

[wooden otter]

who is better for sparkle? S2 Raiden or S1 Sena

[round arch]

mei

[last hull]

Kinda big tbh

If ur F2P tho, AOps are not worth the cost

[quaint saffron]

Any knowers guys,
So, as I have no mei,
I saw some refs with mei + lantern for kosma.
i saw from marisa's website, the capability of mei for sparkle dps = vita.
i tried replacing mei with vita,
but i can't perform the dmg when they're using mei.

does mei provide more buffs for SO than Vita, that I can't replicate their mei+lantern rot?
or it's another d-key diff? XD ~

[rigid cedar]

The thing about mei specifically is that she is fast with her resonance triggers and stellar drain, compared to vita. Idk where you saw on Marisa's website that Mei = Vita, I can't find it. Either way, this isn't true, Vita should be stronger, especially when ranked up, but due to how slow she is, using her still leads to lower scores.

How far off are you damage-wise if you compare both of your runs?

oh yeah about the dk diff, need to compare atk between your valks and reference

can be a factor but also cannot

[quaint saffron]

i assume that the 100% on top = best for compatibility,
with both Vita and ...
oh.
That's not Mei.
That's HoRB. 😆
GG-

i am pepega- HAHAH-

[last hull]

Im using Eepy w Bita Badum cuz no Sparkle either

Should I make any changes to that team

Cause imma be real Im lost I havent used Eepy in ages

[quaint saffron]

i'll try to record a vita + lantern rot,
and share it here.
i can't get past the x2 final bar when i use this,
that i can't do the last weap click to one shot them at x1 bar. XD

but when i use the vita+badum, it's fine on my acc, i can get past the x2 final bar.
which i guess is intuitive, cuz they're 100% and 99% for compatibility as support. XD

[rigid cedar]

compatibility is partially based on the boss, not just the dps

marisa doesn't include that in his percentages

only as a side note below

also this list is outdated anyway

no mei, no sw. sw is actually doing pretty great over lantern

does slightly worse with hitcount (cmiiw), but has overall more buffs

[rigid cedar]

yes, horb increased all resonance trigger damage so you should include her if possible
mei is better than badum speed-wise

although the fire up on fws could change the tides

anything else for hitcount other than vita?

[verbal axle]

around what times are cleartimes nowadays?

[rigid cedar]

For an average score, this is fine. I saw runs below 2m though

@dull sphinx knows a way to do 0:50 even

or anywhere near that

not sure about all the details, but we've talked about it very recently #🎮honkai-chat message

[last hull]

Lantern, ik you run her w Sparkle but idk if she provides the same benefit to the team w Eepy

[rigid cedar]

yes she does

[last hull]

I don't have HRB but I can run XDC

Oh ok

Eepy Lantern XDC?

[rigid cedar]

yeah should work

[last hull]

QTE on XDC off?

[rigid cedar]

yeah

[last hull]

Alright in the lab I go

[rigid cedar]

always off for her in WS

[rigid cedar]

if you lack damage, then vita may be needed

just as a heads up

[last hull]

Alrighty

[last hull]

Ok got 661

I think Im doing smth wrong after first SO but idk anymore

[quaint saffron]

you can see here the bar after my rot, using
Vita-Lantern
Lantern-Badum.

https://youtu.be/KOOM4AXaCJY

Not really that close to killing the x2 bar, so that i can insta kill it. XD ~

[rigid cedar]

Don't feel too intimidated by the length of this message, I wanted to include every possible detail that you can improve which will help you with other bosses too where you need the same valkyries. If you have questions about anything, feel free.

TFM/FWS/LDS (Sparkle, Badum and Lantern)

• Always turn FWS QTE off if you use her as a World Star support, it just wastes time whenever you use it. Drain can still be done fast with only Aerial CA.
• Change to Lightning DMG Gene Limit, because Youyun's attacks are Lightning DMG.
• 0:42 - On opener, would start with Badum Aerial CA > Ult then switch to Lantern. This assumes that the damage from Lantern QTE is enough to kill the first mob.
• 0:52 - After Lantern QTE, do CA somewhere around 0:57 when hitcount mob spawns. You can use Ult immediately after CA, which puts her back on the ground and allows you to save time.
• 1:04 - Make sure to spawn Lantern's shadows with WA, it continues shooting and therefore you clear hitcounter faster.
• 1:16 - Not doing opener with Sparkle allows you to ult Kosma instantly before WA. Refresh FWS buffs with another CA here first, if your damage isn't enough to reach insta-kill.
• 1:29 - Sparkle's white fish CA always does more damage compared to her red fumo CA, while the white bar basic attacks are slower compared to red. You can abuse the best of both worlds by filling the CA bar with red basics, switching it to white with WA and then doing white CA. Using her like this could be the missing damage you're looking for to reach insta-kill. (Please skip doing that here if the tip at 2:15 allows you to insta-kill already)
• 1:58 - With FWS QTE off, start with her Ult to make her airborne. After this, spam BA > Jump over and over which does her resonance triggers in the fastest way possible.
• 2:15 - Should've waited with ult until Kosma regens his Quantum layers, so you can nuke them instantly. (Changing this alone makes your rotation work, despite all of its flaws xD)
• 2:21 - Depending on how low Kosma is here, either do full fumo (red BAs and CA) or red BAs with white CA. Reasons are at 1:29

TFM/LP/LDS (Sparkle, Vita and Lantern)

• 3:00 - Forgot Lightning DMG Gene Limit, this time also because of Vita. Not having her QTE on here is correct though.
• 4:22 - Not a mistake, just noting that this timestamp is the exact time your ult will hit Kosma. HP bar becoming visible is the key indicator.
• 5:22 - Same thing as last run, save ult for after Quantum layer regen. Also keep in mind the notes for Sparkle basic cycle from last run.

[willow herald]

SS Youyun is still better overall than SSS DS/4* ELFs for WoD yeah?

[formal wigeon]

easily

[quaint saffron]

on note 2:15, what would I do while waiting?
spam NAs on Sparkle to fill her bar?
so that the quantum shield will be up after that NAs?

[rigid cedar]

yes, just switch BAs with ult

make sure it's red ones

again, they're faster to fill CA

[last hull]

Anyone got a non YY Kalpas ref?

[quaint saffron]

i think for 1:58 note, i kinda find it hard to do.
Cuz she needs to be aerial right, so that she can perform fast proc of resonance.
so, i just press jump once, she's aerial already,
then, spam NA. XD
seems okayge to do, i guess?

[rigid cedar]

yeah it needs timing on the opener, since you need to sync it to the exact moment where the mob spawns

but really it saves so much time

The only place where you can QTE on with WS for her is in MA, because there the drain method with her enhanced WA is used (usually in combination with it gathering SD shards). This is faster in MA due to time fracture slowing timer, while points in Abyss just tick down like normal

[quaint saffron]

I get the timing of badum on start,
The movement that i am saying is on SO, where as she's QTE off, she will be on land.
and if badum's on land, she's so slow at proccing reso.
So, i need to jump once first, before doing spam basics (which is kind of different from what you tell. You say, spam NAs first, then jump. XD ) .
that's why i am asking if that's okayge.

[rigid cedar]

this is why you're holding ult on her

that puts her into the air

it's the exact opposite of what lantern's ult does

[quaint saffron]

ahhh- i see. i overlooked that- XD
mb mb-

[rigid cedar]

like just swap in and immediately ult, it's so quick

puts you in the same place as qte would

then ba > jump > repeat spam

which cancels basics animations

[dull sphinx]

Need help?

[dull sphinx]

Didn't expect to get ping by a prof in da helping channel

[rigid cedar]

credit where credit is due

especially in help channels

[timber portal]

I'm a new player, and is part 2 more generous than part 1? and do i have the choice to skip to part 2 when it comes to account progression?

sorry for asking here, there's no one in beginner help channel to answer.

[dull sphinx]

Nah, don't need to credit me actually, malding ER is my thing, and everyone is free to use the knowledge I gain when I found smt

[rigid cedar]

i'll answer in #👶beginner-help

[rigid cedar]

of course, just wanted people to know how awesome you are

[dull sphinx]

Thanks rammy

Dang youyun heal too fast in ER

[rigid cedar]

exactly what i thought about serapeum

can't even keep a low hp ratio, she just auto heals if you're too low

[dull sphinx]

Sera actually on a completely different shit

[dull sphinx]

Which, is good for kalpass 2

[rigid cedar]

in her case i even considered kalpas 2

yeah

[dull sphinx]

You just need most of the enhanced to make her work

Kalpass enhanced *

[obtuse lintel]

ehm

help

how cooked am i for this abyss without sparkle?

[dull sphinx]

Pan fried

[obtuse lintel]

[dull sphinx]

Do you have eepy teri tho?

[vernal terrace]

No QUA = demote to forbidden

[obtuse lintel]

[vernal terrace]

Aku probably doesn't have Teri either

[dull sphinx]

Than deep fried

[quasi pier]

it's cooked

[obtuse lintel]

[vernal terrace]

Kosma is tanky when you can't collapse immediately

[obtuse lintel]

what about rosemary dps

[quasi pier]

rosemary dps fell off hard

[dull sphinx]

Charcoaled

[vernal terrace]

Can't wait for next cycle

[obtuse lintel]

1st stage

ggez

[digital sky]

How good is sci

Against this abyss

[last hull]

I might just be stupid atp idek, can sm1 help my sorry ass
https://youtu.be/GuUx3pweW-I

[obtuse lintel]

nah im getting -100

[quaint saffron]

So, I am also using Sparkle-Vita-Badum.
Is there a difference if in SO, I do:
Vita ➡️ Badum
vs
Badum ➡️ Vita ?

Cuz I kinda notice that doing Badum ➡️ Vita seems to be lower overall total dmg,
compared to when I do Vita ➡️ Badum.

IDK though the reason why.

[crude cloak]

It shouldn't matter

Except for maybe Vita's ult CD

[quaint saffron]

Oh really?
Hmm, i will try to look then on SS on my dmg later. XD
Gonna try to investigate. XD ~

[quaint saffron]

I tried my best to list all Reso Procs that I can see.
I slowed it down my Video using Adobe Premiere. XD ~

So it seems then that I am not just feeling it, it's real that Vita ➡️ Badum > Badum ➡️ Vita,
As an order for World Star Reso Procs.
But where on kit is that man that that order should be done- welp-

===

I think I know now. XD
Vita can provide Omniscient Skyveil, upon Vita entering SO.
If she didn't yet entered (i.e, you do Badum First, then, Vita 2nd),
that buff will not apply.
Deym-
Reading leads you somewhere. 😆

[dusky mantle]

Wow math

[radiant stump]

is it a realistic expectation for me to be able to pull every new character and their sig weapon? ive been playing for a while but legit the only sigs i have is luna vow divine key and keys of oblivion from bp </3

[craggy plume]

If you aren't spending anything it going to depend a bit on draw luck, but should be possible on most patches, you may need to end up skipping once a year. My last skip was PS personally.

[plucky gust]

guys, any refs for S0 sparkle on nirvana? i have S0 sparkle, SS? HoRB, and S0 others. SS youyun

[crude cloak]

Pressing SO counts as entering for all teammates at once, you don't need to swap to Vita for Omniscient Skyveil to activate

Can you record both ways

[lament prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/spag-food-love-is-food-mmm-same-gif-26394887

[vocal ether]

how to get this in the new event?

[thick aspen]

prospecting and the permanent mines that appear when you level up

[plucky gust]

guys, any refs for this? nirvana

at least a 770 score?

[west forge]

can u help me how to combo this team

[dusky mantle]

Hi lyo!

Any non qua comps i can use to brute force a retain?

[obtuse lintel]

We are cooked

[lament prairie]

ur delulu

retain sinful 3 maybe

[dusky mantle]

T10 713 pretty slacc

[lime grail]

who is your pfp

very pretty

[west forge]

agony 3 <(")

[quaint saffron]

sadge, my score is not enough.
my Sparkle with 1448 atk is out-atked by the top 3. welp-

[mortal jetty]

Time for u to bald again

[plucky gust]

22 minutes. please score, please hold

[quaint saffron]

well, hmm,
can you try checking out the rotation that i have real quick?
maybe there's something i can do that i don't know yet-
The run was inspired from Dodoco's run.
https://youtu.be/wcLh1-4Mjh0?si=vWtA-SiJTI0SNIBx&t=240

it's on 0400 minute mark. ~

[quaint saffron]

ohh- welp-
thought i solved it- gg- XD ~

[plucky gust]

holy. . . this will hold, right? right? right?! no one's gonna snipe me, right? right?!

[cunning gull]

too little time to snipe tbh

[plucky gust]

btw how many rooms does nirvana have? like just 10? because ffs all of us are in t100 ngl. and im 10th.

[cunning gull]

thats hard to say but there should be more than 100

for nirv at least

as long as top 100 all scores, and scores alright

[plucky gust]

so 100 rooms for nirvana. . . and im in the room where 1-9th are t100 scorers.

hoyo give me a chill room please. . .

[cunning gull]

not rooms but players

each room holds 20 max but i have had a bunch of 19 and 18 player rooms so its hard to assume

[mortal jetty]

You were a bit slow on badum reso... a jump a jump to proc it faster... I think hitcount phase could be faster

Vita weapon +follow up-> charged-> basic jump basic ult-> basic jump basic-> sparkle

[last hull]

Idk anymore can sm1 help me fix my awful Kalpas run

https://youtu.be/GuUx3pweW-I

[open bone]

In Na it’s about 150 ish Nirvana players

Dunno about sea

[last hull]

I actually had quite a better run than this one an hour later but I didn't record it, better one was still kinda bad though

[verbal axle]

whats the rotation for this team=

[mortal jetty]

U can try to proc two resonance with sw then switch to ely in p1 ...it will be faster

[last hull]

It was a little faster but Im still way lacking on damage… am I doing something wrong, or is this boss w SW just that much worse to do without YY? My SW is SSS too

[thick aspen]

of course

youyun is the main release of the patch

very strong

[last hull]

Goddamn I know F2P should avoid AOp but like

Should I pull her?

Cause wtf why is she so strong

[delicate smelt]

is that sparkle dps, I must learn

[thick aspen]

well if you do pull do know you are expected to pull SS

(still cheaper than pulling a valk and their weapon ig)

you thought you were getting a rest patch cause theres no new valk?

[last hull]

Sigh….

[thick aspen]

well it also depends how seriously you take abyss, if you are just in agony 3 or smth then i dont think you will find much value in her

[last hull]

Im holding my own in RL decently for now, but I dont expect to make it to Nirv anytime soon, if ever, given how wide the gap is

I would like to make it to Nirv eventually but I dont think ny account is in the state to do that w some missing valks and no good AOps

[thick aspen]

well yeah no youyun would be a major barrier for that

[last hull]

Hard stuck in RL it is

Sigh I didnt think that Kalpas without YY would be THAT much worse

[mortal jetty]

This boss without youyou is a big pain

[thick aspen]

shes not that crazy with older world star valks but new ones with surplus state get massive boost from her

which would be silverwing ||and seele next patch||

[last hull]

Oh she’s confirmed w Surplus?

Well makes sense tbf

[thick aspen]

well no but i will eat seventeen (17) bananas if she doesnt have

[last hull]

Lol

Something else I was also feeling like doing but hesitating to just full gun doing

[thick aspen]

or if they release any world star valk without it in the future for that matter

[last hull]

I was thinking of Gambaing no more than 20 pulls for HRB DKey and see how it goes

Good idea or stupid?

I have a B Astrophanes and the box

[thick aspen]

dunno

gambaing for dkeys is safe in that manner that at least you cant get bricked, either you get it or not

like if you just gamba for a new valk and then cant afford their weapon you just wasted your xtals

if you gamba for dkey you either get it or built pity for next valks weapon

only question is how much use horb will see

[lime grail]

🐒

[last hull]

Another thing making he hesitant is that my HRB is quite lower ranked than most ppls, only S1

[last hull]

When Im seeing that a lot of peeps already have SS

But for some reason it feels like HRB’s DKey has some decent use in varying content, but maybe that’s only cause she’s still relatively new

[thick aspen]

i see her used more in MA tbh, if you just want to push for nirvana i dont think its that useful

MA shes very nice cause she can just do her ult and start her carousel before the boss even spawns

[last hull]

I do want to start caring ab MA now

[thick aspen]

no time wasted

[last hull]

Before I used to just clear and be done with it but recently Ive been trying to mald and take it much more seriously

[thick aspen]

rare MA enjoyer

[last hull]

*When I actually have the valks to do well

Week after next week for example Im just gonna one tap

No ME or LV

But last week I actually did quite well

I was just shy of 2%

Unfortunately I couldn’t 946 Hellmaru cause broke

And my Huodou team was whack

But anyways

HRB key a good gamble?

[thick aspen]

hows your income

are you full f2p f2p or buying monthly pass

[last hull]

I bought BP and Monthly this patch but not gonna spend again

[mortal jetty]

For real

[thick aspen]

i dont think u have the resources to go backpulling then

focus on new releases

[last hull]

Ok then

[thick aspen]

because ok maybe you can get some use out of horb dkey but that will mean 1 less weapon in the future

maybe a new dkey or you end up skipping a valk completely

thats gonna hurt way more than missing horb dkey

i mean even pulling youyun now would be way better

[foggy vapor]

whos better against sampo? luna or PAWS?

[quasi pier]

paws

[lime grail]

both

luna supporting paws

[foggy vapor]

gotcha, thx yall. i did the opposite lol. ill redo it tomorrow

[last hull]

Sampo’s PAWS’s signature boss

[vernal terrace]

He should have been Sparkle's

[last hull]

True

[craggy plume]

To be fair that is every boss in this game since they only come to Abyss at least the patch after they were first released.

[plucky gust]

hi3 team be like:
dev 1: f*ck, we don't have a boss for PAWS yet. . . any ideas?
dev 2: we don't have any time to design one. . .lets just rummage and see what other sprites we can use
dev 3: found a sampo sprite, wait, we haven't use this one yet

[last hull]

Oh wait I forgot to say that I was only planning to do 20 pulls and see what I get, not go all the way to hard pity

Same still applies?

[thick aspen]

ofc

[last hull]

Cooked

[thick aspen]

if u were to get the dkey in the 20 pulls it means you would have gotten also the next valks weapon in those 20 pulls

[vernal terrace]

Deep fried

[crude cloak]

Does it tho

Depends on how their pseudorandom algorithm works ig

[last hull]

Yea I wasn't exactly sure if I bought that specific part

I assume you still agree with him though?

[crude cloak]

My position is that we can't know

For example, it could assign a new seed every time you get the featured drop (or keep it fixed at all times)

In which case Paul would be right

But if the seed constantly changes he would be wrong

[last hull]

Oh I mean about getting HRB Key

[crude cloak]

Lemme backread

[last hull]

TLDR: Was considering gamba-ing 20 pulls (no more than that) for HRB key and see what I get

I have a random B stig and the box

I have BP and Monthly for this patch but I don't plan to spend in the future

[crude cloak]

Current crystal count?

[last hull]

uuuuuuuh

Like short of 4K I think

[crude cloak]

i. e. dead broke

[last hull]

[crude cloak]

Yeah, gotta save, save and save

Unless you have a shit ton of one-time sources you're willing to grind

[last hull]

I technically do?

But I dont think it's enough

[crude cloak]

By shit ton I mean 10k+ crystals

[last hull]

Oh

Probably not

[crude cloak]

Or at least 5k

[last hull]

I have a lot of Phosphorus story undone

[crude cloak]

Is P2 story done

[last hull]

Yes

[crude cloak]

gg

No ER valks left?

[last hull]

I do still have 5 events in the Voyage Archives

[last hull]

All maxed

[crude cloak]

These don't give much, should be ~1k in total iirc

Still worth getting ofc

[last hull]

1080 in my case

But yea def not enough

I also have the 120 crystals from the Twitch drops

[thick aspen]

doesnt matter as long as there isnt any major flaw in it you can think of it that way anyway

[last hull]

Does anyone have a non YY ref to Kalpas I HATE THIS SO MUCH

[elfin parrot]

yeah we won't know how the true logic to the rng works. It could be seeded based on your amount of rolls, it could be completely random to the timing of when you do it, etc etc etc

but in the grand scheme of things with enough pulls it should still pan out to some sort of average.

I overall can only recommend that you take the conservative, stable, and greatest long term value action, and not try to chance anything or pull any reruns.

[vernal terrace]

We still don't know if the soft pity on the Valkyrie banner is a thing truely or not also

[thick aspen]

yeah sure there is a 0.00000000001% or something chance that there actually isnt soft pity

who knows!

[vernal terrace]

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/ErGfZNf83Ss am I no chance retaining or is there somethng big I'm ussing that could earn me a lot of points.

[dusky mantle]

Trust in the streamer luck

[elfin parrot]

No.

[elfin parrot]

Is HoRb really your best support here? She's nice for hitcount but unless you have +3 weap i loosely think of her as a weaker option. Maybe consider someone else?

At the start of kosma phase, you prob could've gone to SCi's CA sooner so you can get stellar drain sooner and start the first outburst sooner. You were spending extended time with the collapse shield still up.

For the very end of the fight, you used SCi's second ult early causing it to end outburst early. Not sure why you did that. It's not like you need to rush to a third outburst or rush to the damage from the ult. You're losing exclusive buffs from outburst in doing this.

[pale musk]

I got every p2 except Lantern and Sparkle

[elfin parrot]

Yeah so maybe try with a different one than HoRb

[pale musk]

badum maybe?
Tried Bronya but it wasn't working as well with the same sort of rotation. Also ig Mei.

[elfin parrot]

SW prob is ideal if you can manage surplus well tbh

but if not then yeah badum, mei, maybe even HLE are all candidates to me

i'm not too keen on the differences between those i'm afraid.

HLE is nice for registering her stellar drain hit if the enemy isn't typically hittable

badum is quite fast

but i think hieu le's RL ref opted for XDC and lantern

[quasi pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsZLYwewY7I

you can try something like this

[cunning gull]

oh hm not taking advantage of yy allowing you to end SO early? or us she only S?

title says ss but im checking

[quasi pier]

i didn't see a reason to, i need all the damage i could get and i still barely kill

[pearl grail]

what team to use for the qua abyss

i see people use sparkle seele bronya, but the levvel is -50% ice damage so why bronya?

[vernal terrace]

Hit count

[spiral raven]

sw pretty trash
if using vita and non youyun would probably want badum

horb vita not enough tf and sus ani

kosma gets shield back up

vita can deal with the hit count alone okayish

[elfin parrot]

they have youyun

[spiral raven]

oh is it ss

[elfin parrot]

they ended outburst early with teri second ult so i assume so? that's ss only right?

also abyss ends for us in like 7 minutes

[spiral raven]

u get that skill on s

its ari regen on ss no

[elfin parrot]

oh i got it backwards then

[vernal terrace]

Initial ari on SS
Ari Regen on S for Youyun

[quasi pier]

yeah that's not happening

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/JzUyppI.png

ending outburst early should be ss? unless it's changed from the end of beta?

[vernal terrace]

Yeah that's on SS where after using QME, using Ult ends SO early

[spiral raven]

i see, in that case it just depends on his dmg then ig
if u need more dmg badum still better cuz of more sus/ani and tf

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/O3AagBY.png

[elfin parrot]

hm i see. Well i'll ping @pale musk anyway since they usually want to know even after it's over for future ref

[elfin parrot]

personal damage from the support is hardly much in most cases. So when Bronya is acting as support the ice penalty is hardly important. Bronya offers high hitcount and makes stellar surplus available to the team. No other valk can offer surplus to world star teams currently.

Of course surplus only matters if you can make use of it well. Just because it's an extra feature doesn't mean it's good if you cannot take advantage of it.

[spiral raven]

it just depends on how he manages collapse timing in the end

idk how teri would go exactly but on spork if you did 2 combos before a full ring and then need to fit another 2 combos after ring, boss gets shield back up on the 3rd combo

on horb vita but not with badum vita

[pale musk]

SS yoyun

[pale musk]

Nvm mb

[elfin parrot]

well it looks like they're around so you can talk to them rather than me lol

but yeah i'm not sure how it would align later with an earlier collapse

[cunning gull]

fair enough

[spiral raven]

i mean sus ani and tf only becomes relevant if shield comes back up and he can't pop the shield back quickly enough so yea

[elfin parrot]

Yeah. Which becomes a possible relevant consideration in the case of collapsing sooner

[pale musk]

Sus/ani?

[elfin parrot]

suspended animations

not stated anywhere in the game but certain moves can slow down boss/stage actions and the memorial arena timer

it does not slow down the abyss timer though. So it's not always helpful

you might want to especially review this. It's not the first time it's been explained and mentioned to you before and it's a pretty commonly referred to mechanic

.

there's no real trick to knowing what attacks has sus ani or not besides actually seeing it in practice

[pale musk]

Ty, I’ll try and remember.

[last hull]

Im about to finish Sushang Kitchen event, which event would be the easiest/quickest to start next?

Im avoiding the chess events like the plague

[thorn spire]

Kiana fastest

[prisma sun]

Is it worth it to get dabum for mei?

I seriously need more supports ngl

Or should I save

Part 2's I have are Hi Love, Vita, mei, thelema, Rita

Lunar moon n seele has the weapon to unlock the divine key smt

[jade zephyr]

what do I do against flying fish

[fresh hill]

Hi so u was doing the stalker emblem charater trial thing im on the first stage is there a reason i cant damage this enemy

[cunning gull]

lunar vow and horb?
you alr have a team for new mei (xdc)
no need to backpull

[cunning gull]

there's one stage that you need a physical rita to deal with, check if its this one

[cunning gull]

either try SW leader with xdc support
for type advantage and stun mechanic but no weather advantage
or try hle/lv leader with xdc support (would do this one)
for weather advantage and stun mechanic
xdc is the onr that stuns the enemy for you, you can't play her as the leader due to type down

[fresh hill]

Ah ok I’ll try it with her though she might die since my other Rita’s have no levels

[jade zephyr]

Tysmmm

[cunning gull]

you can level her ever so slightly and throw any weapons at her
can put jingwei if desperate but its not needed

[fresh hill]

It was thank you also no need for levels since she only got hit once also she drained the shields much quicker than expected

[fresh hill]

Turns out the last stage needs it too and the only physical Rita is unreal rose so it will have to wait until I’m willing to put a bit more into her

[cunning gull]

i leveled mind a lil and didnt level her skills and it did the trick
but considering the main reward is an emblem, just wait it out yeah

[fresh hill]

I’m back I’m trying to do the others that give the supply cards so I can maybe get SW divine key this week how much better is rozaliya because I can’t even clear the first stage with lilliya but she’s only got random stuff on

[cunning gull]

which one is this?
the orphanage one or roza lil one?

[fresh hill]

This one

The tales of Gemina I’ll do the other one some point later bc I need augment core Roza for that

Oh wait I know what you mean know I did deep sea with SW and HoRb since I already have all their stuff levelled for when I get their divine keys

Oh also I managed to do the Rita one after levelling her up a bit I had more coins then I thought

[cunning gull]

this one ull need both twins to use yeah

[fresh hill]

Ah ok I think the only other one I can do is stress test one and Durandal isn’t going too well on that

[cunning gull]

maybe try SA one, most of it gives you trials

[fresh hill]

Is that the Theresa one, I’ll try to unlock the battlesuit then since I can get it from Astarte shop I’ll just need some more Astarte

[cunning gull]

no rush

but yeah do so

a rank works

[fresh hill]

Ok while I’m asking questions how should I go about her since I’ll end up doing her stress test sooner or later (and I’ll probably be back as and when I unlock the other stress test valks)

[formal wigeon]

SA is free yeah

[fresh hill]

The defense stage is so hard every time I get close to beating a wave I think I’ll do it but than another wave appears

[fleet flame]

From the bp shop, would it be a good idea to get senadinas weapon since we’re getting her for free?

[craggy plume]

How are you on d-keys?
She is not getting any bosses anymore, so the benefits from using her weapon over other alternatives aren't that pronounced.

[fleet flame]

I have some of them, but I thought every valk wanted their weapon

[craggy plume]

They want their weapon if you want to use them as dps for support it varies and you can often get away with using them without their weapon.

[fleet flame]

Oh Alr then lol

I might stick to getting horb from the bp shop then

[pearl raven]

Need help understanding the story of the event. So Ajita created a movie about Dreamseeker getting a device from Youyun from an external space in the Sea of Data and mine stuff? I've only played the beginning so no spoilers please

[lime grail]

#📚honkai-lore

[pearl raven]

Sorry didn't know where to post but thanks

[iron ridge]

anyone dealt with this?(its neither of the things stated)

[vocal ether]

ya thats me, elp

can't even complete individual stages

fixed

[crude cloak]

"Inventory out of space" can refer to absolutely any kind of fullness

Even completely unrelated to these stages

For example, your stig inventory could be full and it would still not work

[iron ridge]

yeah apparently it was the max stack of crystals from adventure tasks

[crude cloak]

Yup, there we go

@vocal ether

Ah, sry, didn't see the "fixed"

[vocal ether]

dw

[gentle pike]

is the law of ascension stellar outburst similiar to an aha instant? you can pick a character and they do a special attack in the state

[crude cloak]

Based on your description yes

The difference is that other characters get to do their special attacks as well when swapping to them for the first time

With Teri AO the leader can do their special attack (Stellar Shift) twice per SO activation (not in a row)

[prisma sun]

I can use seele n lunar for mei?

[quasi pier]

yes, do you know how part 2 team building works?

[prisma sun]

Isn't the symboli like supposed to group together?

The first logo of something?

[quasi pier]

not entirely, they don't have to be the same astral ring type, the supports need the appropriate tag to support the leader

[prisma sun]

Ohhh

[quasi pier]

if mei is the leader, the team is a Grail of Infinitude team, Grail needs support with the symbiosis tag

[prisma sun]

Can you use mei n hi love?

They have the same tag

[quasi pier]

yes

[prisma sun]

Ah that's good to know!

Thanks!

[quasi pier]

horb and luna both have symbiosis so they fit on the team

as well as hi love elf

[prisma sun]

Whats the best team as of I have?

Mei, hi love? Luna/horn?

For mei

[quasi pier]

depends on the boss

mei hle luna would be the best you have in general but that might not always be the case

[prisma sun]

Okii!!

Thx!

[vernal terrace]

Kalpass: SW XDC HLE
Sambo: PAWS FDD PS
Or different supports for PAWS?

[half hatch]

Maybe give Horb LV a try
https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1pRDxBuEFu

The ref is a bit stacked but I've seen similar scores with way less ranks and syncs

[vernal terrace]

Even if HoRb is S3 and LV is S1?

[half hatch]

It's worth a try Horb ranks are kinda whatever as a support and there is some room at the end of P1 to make up for some DMG diffs, I'd be more concerned about the syncs but shouldn't be too bad

[vernal terrace]

Both are +1

[half hatch]

Yeah ik hence why I said I'd be concerned about that part

[vernal terrace]

Then I'd have to figure out AG of whom is a pain

[half hatch]

Should be relatively easy if thele has weapon

[vernal terrace]

No HoHe DKey remember

[half hatch]

Yeah but you can use Rita to kill P1 and Eva bald for SP in p2

Ig it's a bit badly lemme give it a try

[vernal terrace]

HoHe still leader?

Or different leader

[half hatch]

Well you don't have it so probs thele/JDS/me

Dunno if me DMG will be enough for P1 with no p2 leader

[vernal terrace]

JDS gear non existent

[half hatch]

Well she's kinda here for the leader bonus

[vernal terrace]

I see

How to start this- JDS to trigger qtes?

[half hatch]

I actually don't have JDS so lemme try something different maybe something with fdd can work

[vernal terrace]

Doing MA now since I finally got SS Youyun

[half hatch]

okay 1 sec is ez maybe 0 sec is just better timing

[vernal terrace]

I don't think I'll have equal DMG for sambo

[half hatch]

thought so maybe the fdd horb run is better ?
https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1gUDaBqEgU

otherwise you'll just have to sacrife a few seconds

[vernal terrace]

[half hatch]

ps/fws/lv chen works

[vernal terrace]

Having to 2 SO Sampo since SO ends after the first CA on PAWS

[half hatch]

fdd instead of LV as well

[spiral raven]

this exact run only works if you kill p1 on the initial 2 or 3 hits of helia qte

ur ring expires

[half hatch]

oh wow ew, haven't looked into refs that much so just linked some for inspo

[spiral raven]

its 1 ring run, and then ring close to end of p1, and basically uses transition to farm sp, then helia does 6 ults + 2 combo into finisher

but if helia kills p1 bit late then ur ring gonna expire

[vernal terrace]

Yeah I don't have the DMG for that

[spiral raven]

nah i just happened to have looked into that one thats it

but yeah u cna sitll use it for inspiration, basically delay the ringing until it lines up ig
like if need full helia qte, then sneak some basics in before ringing ig

wont be same time but at that point can do loa

[rough haven]

Why are the trauma statuses accumulate so slow or did the boss has like extremely high trauma cap?

[crude cloak]

The latter

Sometimes it might not move at all, which means the boss is immune to the status

[rough haven]

I remember those old times where pishacha was introduced and no wonder why ai and sirin took so long to ignite it.

[plucky gust]

either:

• they are immune
• you already applied some. CC-based traumas gets harder and harder to accumulate the more you proc them

[thick aspen]

no they dont..

the boss will have a brief period of immunity to the trauma after it expires, indicated by the gauge being greyed out

and thats all

[spiral raven]

sus paralyze did increase more but had cap

cant rmb other bosses

[crude cloak]

Stun, Para and Rime do increase depending on the boss

The only boss other than Sushang I can think of on which the increase happens and the status actually matters is Clock

Could be misremembering tho

This is irrelevant to this boss tho

[lime grail]

Who to play this cycle if no paws

[digital sky]

U need sw for kalpas (MA) or else ur screwed...dont you?

I mean I dont expect a High score. Ofc
I just mean the...hit shield

[crude cloak]

Kalpas is tanky as fuck

Hitcount is not the main issue

[digital sky]

Oh

[crude cloak]

• you need a ton of Rime

[digital sky]

I got hoh thelema vita...and can do the first hitcount and rime

...i didnt know there was a 2nd one

[digital sky]

Can HoRb do it?

With thelema support lmao

Or...Sena Helia Thelema

[open bone]

Not well. Even swing has a hard time

If you don’t have SWing paws next best (use Me for sampo) probably

[digital sky]

I got dis

[digital sky]

No. I dont got ME

Atleast I didnt use thelema...on alien guard

So I got rime at the very least

Took me so long to do lv gd ce lol

[open bone]

Tbh I might have also tried Luna on sampo if you had HLE but with no HLE no point

[digital sky]

But thelema sucks...in terms of buffs

For ws

[digital sky]

Yeah I gotta use helia

No other paralyze
..well theres sci but

[open bone]

And no PS either. Yeah gotta be Horb on Kalpas guess

Prepare to cry

[digital sky]

Atleast i got ssera!

[digital sky]

Vita Thelema right?