💁gameplay-help

[wooden wind]

okay, here's the thing: i have a dawei card, so i could get waxing moon. i have p1 horb with weapon, but only TM in stigs, no B (so basically it's bricked 😭). i just pulled HLE, but she's weaponless with TB stigs no M

[vernal terrace]

Can you even get waxing Moon with that?

[wooden wind]

yeah, i can pick any released weapon or stig so far

[vernal terrace]

[wooden wind]

all stellar keys are available, so i could get any of them (i have lunar vow's, but none of the others)

[open bone]

Honestly I wouldn’t hate waxing as a pickup from that, or hle wep, but dawei cards are rare and neither will save you here unless you have enough prisms to make their stigs anyway

[wooden wind]

my other problem is that one of the only p2 valks is JDS, and like- i don't have enough valks with the right tags to support her 😭

[open bone]

JDS is also kind of aggressively mediocre but you can use JDS HLe VBM

And it’s fine

[wooden wind]

i have enough to craft 3 stigs

[vernal terrace]

Sad that JDS only has physical AG

[open bone]

And even then Mei is breathing down her neck

Mei Badum HLE stronk there

Anyway in terms of Dawei card considerations:

[vernal terrace]

RS and XDC

[wooden wind]

i tried to pull badum but she didn't come home 😭 i was so close to pity on carnival but i just barely missed it

[open bone]

Yeah this is why you don’t pull on carnival unless you can guarentee

First rule of carnival

Now all those pulls wasted rip

[wooden wind]

i mean- i did manage to pull FDD and her weapon + stigs off carni

so not- a total waste? 😭

[open bone]

Oh yeah silver lining

[wooden wind]

they were all early

[open bone]

Yeah on phys alien guard, jds only abyss, you’d probably just use Mei HLE FDD anyway lmao.

[wooden wind]

well- i mean i would but i don't have HLE weap

is she still alright without, or like always, is it cringe to play new valks without their weapons?

[open bone]

Her dps kinda bricked and her support needs her wep more than most valks but it’s still functional 3/4

[wooden wind]

and with dawei card, what would be my best option to pick in order to best make use of all my valks?

stellar key to bring a p1 valk into my astral ring roster, or HLE weap so she specifically isn't bricked?

[open bone]

1. save it. Always a solid option
2. HLE Wep. Helps her as support, unlocks her dps, HLE Dps weathers are annoying with no HLE
3. ||Silverwing Dkey Next patch, saves you 60 pulls||
4. Waxing. Would let you cope Rita weathers in abyss since it looks like you have trio. Luna isn’t terrible on the lightning weather ones tho.
5. Horb dkey. Probably a step down from everything else since Mei and Luna between them can cope most of her weathers but attack is attack and she’s strong in MA

Nothing else seems particularly worth considering

[wooden wind]

okay, so elysia stellar key is out?

[open bone]

I mean it’s not bad? Attack is attack? But HLE does fine on 95% of her weathers

And also has her own weathers

And you mostly want ranked HoHE these days, S rank is very painful

Since she’s been given away so many times and now farmable

Maybe 6th best option imo

[wooden wind]

okay... hmm. i'm between waxing and HLE weap then, bc i'd really like to have more options for astral ring teams, but HLE's damage would be kinda abysmal without her weap

i do mostly run luna XDC FDD teams on lightning weather in abyss

but i've tried JDS FDD and VBM against stuff in MA or abyss, and it's just... it doesn't work 😔

i don't have good teammates for her

[open bone]

HLE: Helps a ton on SD weather and ice weather. Moderate upgrade for Mei, moderate upgrade for ||silverwing|| next patch as support, can cope her weather if you don’t get her.
Waxing: Account wide 10 atk, lets you use trio on IMG weather, lots of MA uses with HoO, allows you to use FDD dps instead of her being support only

[open bone]

Also jds just kind of mediocre. Especially in MA, WoD always kinda struggles there

[wooden wind]

HoO?

[open bone]

She was better as an LoA support on her own weather half the time

[open bone]

Herrscher of Origin. Hofi dkey also buffs her dps

You go HoO Hofi <lightning support>

Eden usually for Ma, Simp or Luna or Eden for abyss depending

People cook a lot with HoO dps, you’ll see things like seven thunders and Shro M for ult cooldown reduction and such rather than just sig gear too

Here’s an example of HoO dps in Ma: https://youtu.be/CcK-h60UUho

[wooden wind]

ooo

so... hmm. i think maybe i'll go with waxing, bc it'll be slightly easier to invest in a valk i've already maxed talents on, + she's got a lot of use cases, and then maybe i either pray i get lucky on HLE in the next like 3 pulls that i might risk doing or wait for next patch

i love ely, but i just got her, she's like lvl 68 with no talents upgraded and getting her weapon doesn't offer me the benefit of a whole new character/teams i can use in astral ring. she's still... useable without her weap, it's just scuffed and nerfs her dps/support capabilities. plus, i don't have badum, and that probably also isn't great for her overall

[inner sparrow]

Does hi3 have x2 Bchips when purchase?

[open bone]

No only 2x crystals

Some of the bundles you can get with Bchips are more than 2x crystal value already

So if there were double bchips that would be like 5x value

[pearl grail]

how do i get the gift boxes in the memory snapshot thing

[finite barn]

You gotta click on links from other players who haven't used up their gifts yet

Each link can only be claimed 3 times iirc?

[calm nebula]

Is ascension supply worth it

[open bone]

Not unless you’re a whale

Asc supply is a banner for whales to get ranks on their valks

It’s cheaper to get ranks than normal banners but it doesn’t share pity and the valks on it are all super old

It’s usually their last banner before they stop getting more banners

[round marsh]

Hiya. Returner player here. My HoV team, any char that I can pick to replace some1 to passível Boost HoV ??

[dull sphinx]

You better off replace HoV

[round marsh]

@dull sphinx I know She weak but I like her. Thays why asking a char to Boost her damage

[dusky mantle]

@lament prairie

SHOUKAN

[cunning gull]

keep the box no one is there you'll use with hov

if you want a budget valk that you can easily get and use with hov then u can get TA from the asterite shop

the best supports for this aren't easily accessible so i won't bother with it unless you're hard commiting ig

[dull sphinx]

If you rly need to know, lil dudu and HoRb

[true plaza]

Hey, came back after a break, not sure whom to go for around this time.

From what i've seen, Rita's recent suit is rerunning now, and ||silverwing's gonna get a dkey|| next patch. I've not been able to grab the recent mei.

As far as P2 chars go, i have Helia and Coralie(regular ones, no wep on helia), Vita, hohe(dkey), Fireworks kiana, bamboo sushang, dragon coralie, sparkle. Astralop wise i have Theresa's

Whar char/wep should i go for which would synergize well with these chars?

Also, is it fine to mention any rumor/leak chars/gear here in regards to this question or should i refrain from that?

[cunning gull]

first off, spoiler tag the mention of ||silverwing dkey|| its not out yet for global
secondly i would skip this patch and save up, backpulling isn't worth it and you do have a decent lineup anyways
thirdly ||if you have silverwing or can unlock her quickly from WT then get her dk,|| no need to get anything else for now
lastly please read the rules. there's 0 tolerance to leaks here. if you want to talk or see public cn info, check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[true plaza]

Ay ay sir, i do have the mentioned char, guess i'll wait till next patch

[lament prairie]

unironically she's not weak considering how old she is and she never got new BiS gear

compared to new teams she is ofc but all things considered she has aged very well, only problem is the best supports for her and their gear are hard to get your hands on

I have a HoV guide, it's in my bio

[lament prairie]

Also I'd say she has no real value on abyss bosses at RL or above anymore, just mobbing for fun or MA max rewards scores

[dull sphinx]

And also in ER

[lament prairie]

well yeah but anyone can clear ER finality

it's nice that HoV is good tho lmao

[dull sphinx]

Not just good, she's very good in ER, only cost your fingie to use her

[lament prairie]

yes true

[calm nebula]

True

My fingers got spasms trying to cycle her

Smh she needs so much button mashing

Nonetheless the satisfaction from using her in ER is real

[astral sun]

What's a good support for Sparkle?

[violet horizon]

Who else than hoo good against this pig

[quasi pier]

rita

that's it

[lament prairie]

use anyone with the domain resonance tag as a good starting point, the supports can depend on the boss

[digital sky]

HoO slays this boss?
Ignoring ME probably being miles better

[quasi pier]

yes

[digital sky]

Whats the point difference between ME and HoO

100?

In rl*

[quasi pier]

yeah probably 100,might have a slightly hard time hitting 800 with hoo

[digital sky]

What 3rd support?
Gd or lv?

I assume gd cuz its img?

SS LV 4/4
SSS GD 4/4

[quasi pier]

gd, hotr, eepy might also work

[digital sky]

HoTr would make it trio tho

Also my hotr is s0

Really sci?

[quasi pier]

yeah, couldn't hurt to try

[digital sky]

O-kay

[formal wigeon]

LV is prolly higher dmg, GD is faster rots

GD can catch up on the dmg diff if her execute hits just right

[boreal eagle]

with rita jump can connect into wa ? or is only evade

[blissful cypress]

Does stigma enable horb to use astral ring

[quasi pier]

no, needs her weapon

[blissful cypress]

I i just got the normal pri arm dang

Ty

[quasi pier]

yeah eepy works

[narrow cedar]

pretty sure its only evade. works in the air tho

[last hull]

Radiclao

[mortal latch]

hii, i'm not sure what to spend on in this patch's spending event, i don't have jds or lds and i am ||planning on pulling SS youyun op||, so i don't think songque is for me, i have 370 of the coin thingies, would anyone know what's the best thing to spend on for my acc?

[open bone]

||Sonque is yeah entirely powercrept by Youyun. You can either get JDS for ER crystals or get Silverwing Fragments to rank her up if she isn’t maxed yet||

[mortal latch]

Thank you!! I’ll be investing in silverwing then

[warm lantern]

is the current event time gated? Can I finish it on the last day?

[chilly warren]

anyone know how i can find translations for the quotes fenghuang of vicissitude says

[quasi pier]

once the whole event unlocks, you can do it all in 1 day

[warm lantern]

nice. Last few events I wasn't able to complete everything due to procrastination :V

[last hull]

Wouldn't SQ still be useful in cases where you need fast ARI for quick fights? Or are the situations for that just too far in between

[open bone]

||Youyun also has initial Ari.||

[last hull]

Oh

[versed scroll]

is S songque better than SSS DS for world star

[pearl grail]

how do i get the gift boxes from the memory event

[finite barn]

.

[pearl grail]

uh, where are the links

[open bone]

Not for Horb

For other WS dps tho yeah

[last hull]

If the leader is an elemental character, yes

[open bone]

Not a big improvement unless it’s Sena

But a little better

Sena: Big improvement
Sparkle Eepy (technically Boltstorm ig) ||silverwing|| small improvement
Horb: Dreamseeker better

[versed scroll]

what about WoD

should i keep DS or put songque now

[open bone]

For WoD? Dreamseeker is better for JDS. Sonq better otherwise (especially if you have Sena as a support)

Getting Ari even a little faster is huge for Rita

It’s why I’m currently using a cursed Rita HLE FDD team, since I have Chenxue but no Sera

[versed scroll]

now i have all ops except the wod

its getting weird understanding

[open bone]

If you have Chenxue and no Sena you might want to use Chenxue over Sonque here honestly

But if you do have Sena then you just run sonq

[versed scroll]

i kept using chenxue over DS before the SSS upgrade

but now i get it. thanks

[jade zephyr]

would this be true even in rl

[open bone]

Depends on the boss and what team you have but Chenxue initial Ari is really nice and her damage isn’t much worse

So if you have say HLE Vita then Chenxue is basically a free 20 Ari, which means either you can ring faster and save points or surplus and gain damage

[jade zephyr]

Im using hle and mps

[open bone]

No Sena? And what are you currently scoring

I’m at 789 with SS Chenxue

In rl rn

[jade zephyr]

yeah i dont have sena, im 703 right now but my rot was a little scuffed with s sonq

[open bone]

But I think that needs HLE and then one of Vita FDD HoHE

[open bone]

Can probably outscore that, I was getting 760 with the same team

[gusty oyster]

should i wait for simp to be added to bp or get horb

[open bone]

you got horb dkey?

[gusty oyster]

nope

[open bone]

no real point in getting her then tbh

[gusty oyster]

those two are the only ones im missing from p2 units

well ones p2 and other has dkey

actually how good even is new horb

[open bone]

As a support she's good in WS and pretty bad in grail. Sees a lot of use in MA, not a ton in abyss

as a dps she's still BiS on her shill but if luna is ranked she can score decently close on a lot of them

[gusty oyster]

im like 10 frags away from SS on luna

[open bone]

yeah S3 luna should do fine on a lot of horb shill

[gusty oyster]

im gonna be like 3 battlesuits away from finally having all the units (except asuka)

[bleak blade]

am i doing my rot correctly and what can i do to improve

[open bone]

any particular reason there's a vita there?

also even then im not sure why you wait so long to summon star jumper

but ideally you would run a better support

[bleak blade]

i am broke

[open bone]

Do you have Hofi dkey? Can just do Vita Hofi VBM

[bleak blade]

shouldnt i use her skill before ulting

[open bone]

no I just mean ulting sooner

[bleak blade]

nope

failed to get that

[open bone]

IC

then once you finish your first ult with Luna

[bleak blade]

i use her ult right after the skill ends tho

[open bone]

you want to go mei, ult, and then go back to luna

instead of wasting even more time on vita for no reason

[bleak blade]

i mean she does decent dmg

but i get your point

thanks for the advice

[open bone]

but yes also skip the wep before ult

you should be trying to minimize time on vita

get her buffs up asap

not doing that is really hurting your score

[bleak blade]

doesnt it generate more astral tho?

wouldnt that be helpful

but i will try

[open bone]

only in the normal way that hitting things regularly does

[bleak blade]

i see

thank you so much once again

one more thing

should i still use vitas wep skill at the start

since i still need to wait for boss

to use vitas ca

[open bone]

and then in part 2 you are ending luna ring too soon

Mei can refresh your SP

if you go to her in SO

in general you seem allergic to using mei

and im not sure why

[bleak blade]

i watched a few videos on sup mei and most of them just use her qte to get buffs

and nothing else

[open bone]

during stellar outburst they go out to mei and do her fancy attack

and that restores their SP

[bleak blade]

oh wait that shi restores sp?

[open bone]

that's how symbiosis supports work

yes

[bleak blade]

damn i didnt know that

[open bone]

every symbiosis support has 2 actions they can take, a fast one and a slow one, that each restore like 300 sp

so you can do one quick ult and one long ult with luna in SO

[open bone]

and in ARC you can use her ult to reset switch cooldown, and then luna qte restores her sp in arc

so whenever your ult finishes

you can go mei, qte ult, back to luna, ult again

and do more damage than spamming random buttons with vita

[bleak blade]

damn i should really read kits i am missing out on so many things

[spiral raven]

u get more ari, if u havent consumed drain yet, then for each stack before ss rank, its 5 additional ari
so yeah the first drain in p1 does give more ari, but when you do the second wa ult in p1, that gives no additional ari or anything (i mean ur alr full ari atp anyways) but if ari wasn't somehow full, it won't give additional ari because stack is only consumed on draib

also, i don't know what kind of reasoning is that when you're not even ringing asap

[bleak blade]

true cant really say anything to that its just a habit from main dps xdc since i spammed astral ring there

[edgy hamlet]

How many points does Rita's evade+WA cost?

I can't quite match the damage to the ref lol

[mortal jetty]

2 points iirc

[spiral raven]

it can be 1 point if u interrupt/chain

[lime grail]

is there any way i can hit marut with ho

sometimes hoo doesnt fill bar

is that intentional game feature

[quasi pier]

sometimes the hitbox just disappears when using hoo, smol indie company please understand

[obtuse lintel]

any of the current events need a daily login?

like one of those that if you dont play daily you are cooked?

apart from anny event

[cunning gull]

HotT doesn't, u can do it in one go once all the stages unlocks
i suppose u alr know about the sim event and card event alr
that's all

[obtuse lintel]

sim event?

hott have been always like that, i mean the real events

[cunning gull]

the life simulator event

[obtuse lintel]

oh

those we doable in one go right

[cunning gull]

no until you get the achievement that gives you many tries

card event is also daily locked

[open bone]

Yeah you need like 7 days

[obtuse lintel]

the card event doesnt get an auto?

[open bone]

Card event has dailies but that’s just for shop

[obtuse lintel]

[open bone]

You can get the valuable stuff in one day but you’ll be missing out on mats

[obtuse lintel]

and lite cards

[open bone]

Like locks and ancient legacy

[obtuse lintel]

good thing theres 11 days left

so im still on time

[obtuse lintel]

locks?

i have al i dont worry about that

[cunning gull]

for affixing

[obtuse lintel]

ncc?

[cunning gull]

u use locks to lock the affix line you wanna keep and change the other

[obtuse lintel]

oh, the other mat to lock

yeah i ran out of those for the first time

this patch

i might want some

that "blossoming new beggining" refferes to the year start rivalry right?

[quasi pier]

yes, the daily is online pvp

[violet horizon]

Asking is it possible to get 160000 points in hot on the trail rn cuz all my stages i was only able to do 24400~ on all the stages

[quasi pier]

yes, when the 3rd part unlocks

[normal cloak]

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[vernal terrace]

Gonna have to do XDC FWS FDD on Rice Cake

[edgy hamlet]

Ok yea I got it down to 1 pt difference from the ref 🙏

[lament prairie]

do any of the events have critical dailies or can I speedrun them next week

this cards looking event looks worryingly complicated

[blissful cypress]

Is the new horb stigma better than her old one with out weapon

[quasi pier]

no, most of the new stigmata effects are gated by new weapon

[blissful cypress]

Bah glad I have her full set for normal

Ty jab

[spiral raven]

ba 2 cancel

[blissful cypress]

Man didn't miss festival Kiana giveaway

And how do u get qte for horb

Long hair verison

[last hull]

Access to Astral Ring on old characters is entirely gated by their weapons

If you don't have their Keys then they wont have AR tags or systems, meaning you would just be better off running literally any other P2 character with a matching tag rather than BiS S-rank with no P2 gear

Inversely, P1 characters with P2 gear are gonna have a much rougher time supporting or performing in P1 teams

[open bone]

Cards event has dailies you’ll miss out on mats for, but you can clear story and such in 1 day

Valkyrie life sim takes like a week

And of course there’s the lobby event

Hot on the trail has no time gates obv

[lament prairie]

I did the lobby thankfully

[crude cloak]

idts actually

You get the currency for the attempts by just logging in afaik

And I doubt Lyo is not logging in

[lunar crow]

everything is level 10 what do i do

[open bone]

Wait really? Maybe safe then

[crude cloak]

You'll figure it out relatively quickly if you have TCG experience and aren't severely sleep deprived xdd

But ye, it does look menacing at first

[lament prairie]

I don't even know what tcg is so I'm fucking cooked then

oh wait trading card games

I played yugioh will I be okay

[open bone]

Yeah it’s not actually a very complicated tcg

You have a strictly limited deck list options

[lament prairie]

you mean I don't have to summon a kaiju to the enemy field

[open bone]

And all the decision making points describe exactly what they do

Balance is poor and very rng reliant and ofc card advantage is king

But like it’s very easy to play

[lament prairie]

okok

can't be worse than the sirin card event

that shit was so boring I only played it because sirin was in it

[lime grail]

Just play Seele deck and win

[prisma olive]

Worth getting Spy Rita?

[craggy plume]

How are you looking for next patch? In a vacuum she is probably not worth it.

[prisma olive]

Currently sitting at 15k xtals

With 5 gear tickets

Yea probably not worth it

[rigid cedar]

it has some initial learning curve but beyond that you understand what every card does just from the trial deck runs and extensive tutorials

outside trial decks, the valks mostly don't change up. just weapon and preparation cards

[crude cloak]

I'd say balance is surprisingly decent actually

There are actually ass chars ofc (DA and Hyperion), but other than them I feel like everyone has their place

[open bone]

Trio exists. It doesn’t have any bad matchups. And then QTE double Seele can stand up to trio on even footing sure but none of the other teams can

Even Hyperion who you’d think would be the counter to aoe

[crude cloak]

Not saying it's perfect btw

Okay, wasn't aware about Hyperion vs trio

How tf does it lose

[open bone]

Hyperion fucking sucks that’s why

Trio card advantage too strong

(Aoe still triggers trio qtes even if it hits 1 target for… some reasons)

Hyperion just can’t kill fast enough unless it gets really lucky

And then once they assemble trio it’s over

[crude cloak]

ig it's precisely so that trio isn't completely bricked in the matchup

[open bone]

Prolly but they went too far lol

Tbh it wouldn’t be hopeless without that but trio would be disfavored

Not being able to drain SP in your opponent’s turn also kinda sucks

[potent flame]

how do I counter Duonique's Agitated Core again? I legit forgot, jumping over the wave doesn't help

MA boss btw

[astral sun]

Thanks

[cunning gull]

hi so i still havent picked anything from the spending shop and i need help asap
my account context:

• i have all p2 valks except eepy teri, sparkle, small dudu and lamp
• for elfs/aop i only have 3* kia elf and ds
• ||sw will be ss by the end of 8.7, i have 2 selectors to boost her ranks if needed for her dk shill||
• will get ||ss youyun next patch so sq wont be in ws and wod teams||
• currently a rl and nirv bouncer
  i have 310 tokens so my options are either get s sq aop or make kiaelf 4 star and put the rest of the tokens on valk frag box (can buy 52 of that)
  i need help deciding for long term and this abyss bc im in nirv so either options will boost my score, tqq

[open bone]

I'd lean kiaelf especially since free valk frags asw. Worse for hle ofc but it's mostly chen or die there in nirv

if you weren't getting ||youyun|| it'd be a diff story

but that deletes most of SQ's advantages right there

[wide kraken]

is there anywhere I can look up the returnne banner schedule or do they not announce that information?

[delicate smelt]

omg I just was thinking about durandal reign solaris the other day. Lets GOOOOO

[rancid walrus]

who do i pick from here? i kinda want silverwing, mobius or aponia! but hoTr bronya is in there too, and idk if i should complete my finality trio? VERY VERY benched trio btw
or should i get the 200 ancient legacy and try get sirin

[quasi pier]

||silverwing is getting a new weapon and stig set next patch so that would be the best option||

i wouldn't recommend building trio, trio at this point is reliant on hofi's dkey and most people have them ranked up, your trio has no gear whatsoever

[rancid walrus]

oof okay, thank you! ||why is silverwing getting new gear if i may ask|||

[finite barn]

Because hoyo feels like it probably

[rancid walrus]

suppose, i just feel like its a bit out of the blue but im not complaining

[last hull]

Yea it did take people by surprise considering how old she is as a valk, even if she is relevant in the story

[lime grail]

adult trio

ig

mei just got a new "grown up" suit and kiana alr got hers last year

[obtuse lintel]

I believe on a p2 trio

Pls hoyo make it possible

Imagine next cny valk is Bronya and they make combo ult as they did with old trio, or even something like ZZZ idols where they do some combos together too

[finite barn]

true...

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/3OUknHVEl5E Is 824 possible here if I used ely in transistion more quickly or something? I'm not quite sure what else I can do.

[queen anvil]

not sure this is right chat to ask but how do i link my steam account on hi3 to hoyo email?

[crude cloak]

That's not possible, Steam accs use their own login system

(#🔌technical-help is the appropriate channel btw)

[queen anvil]

wait actually well dang ima have to restart then 😢 also ty for the help

[queen anvil]

ah ok ty

[finite barn]

so what if youre only planning on getting s youyun? is ss sonq still under consideration?

[jade zephyr]

Pretty sure ||youyun|| would still be better also i think you have to spoil her name

[quasi pier]

nah she's been officially revealed

[finite barn]

saw official account tweeted her

i will get elf box then

[jade zephyr]

oh okay

yeah the only upgrade ss sq gives is ari after so but youyun just does that by default anyways

[finite barn]

cool

[last hull]

I don't have RS or ME, what do I run on MA this week before reset?

Idk what supports to run w my XDC on Duonigue cuz of who else I might need for Kebin

[jade zephyr]

i used xdc, fws, hohe

i used my hle for kevin with me, but maybe you can use trio if you have..?

[last hull]

No trio

I was thuinking just HLE buteforce, but her stigs aint maxed

Maybe PAWS...?

But I dont have FDD so that really sucks

[vernal bronze]

what do i use if no me

[vernal terrace]

For Abyss?

[vernal bronze]

ya

[vernal terrace]

HoO dps

[vernal bronze]

dont have me or hoo on my alt

[open bone]

Paws. Can also do vita or Luna if ranked

#🎮honkai-chat message can look at this for paws

[rancid walrus]

does this mean thelema is leaving the bp exchange and wont be able to get her next bp period?

[quasi pier]

yeah, she'll be gone

[rancid walrus]

oh damn😭 any clue whos next? i really wanted thelema

[crude cloak]

||SImp||

||Sleepy Teri||

[crude cloak]

||She might get added to Reserve in 8.9-9.0||

||Considering that we'll get Sena there next patch||

[rancid walrus]

oh.. thanks anyway!!

[vernal bronze]

no paws either
i think i might chill this cycle

[open bone]

vita might still be fine depending on bracket

[crude cloak]

Vita should be enough to retain

[open bone]

but you'd want aop or ranks prolly

[crude cloak]

If you have FDD that is

[open bone]

to be sure

[crude cloak]

Depends on the bracket ofc, ye

[elfin plume]

Hello friends, what do you think would be the best use of my annulons?

[half hatch]

Just to add my 2 cents I don't really encourage S youyun that much if you're not going for SS || this is due to 2 big QoL changes from youyun are locked behind SS, first of all her initial Ari, while she already has Ari regen at S the initial Ari is relatively significant if you're playing a team that has stellar surplus, because more initial Ari = faster stellar surplus state = wasting less time to max stellar surplus/can enter SO earlier. Additionally the SO exit for WS units that don't have it already is also locked behind SS. Even if this is situational it is one of youyuns selling points for older WS valks and probably will have a decent effect on the rotation of said valks ||

[thorn spire]

none of them, it out shit

[half hatch]

What elfs do you have

[elfin plume]

Kiana, Ely, and Bella

[finite barn]

oh im getting her cause she's cute

[half hatch]

all good then

[elfin plume]

Just to show what rarity they are

[half hatch]

Imo elf boxes to get Kia closer to 4* is the choice here

The spending shop is kinda ass anyway

[thorn spire]

songque ops

[half hatch]

They don't have enough for that

[finite barn]

elf box yeah...

[elfin plume]

High key agree

Last one with thelema seemed way too good imo

[thorn spire]

he should keep earning instead

[finite barn]

its over

[vernal terrace]

They don't save

[half hatch]

Thele also wasn't much more than 620 crystals without her weapon tbh

[thorn spire]

lmao

[vernal terrace]

When spending event is over
The currency is gone

[foggy gust]

Guys who is after miss espionage's banner?

[vernal terrace]

||Silverwing DKey||

[pulsar veldt]

Heya
I forgot where it was
But a few weeks ago i had a discussion ab how to save my account, and the first step was getting signature weapons and s ranks
What should i try to focus first, of Memorial Arena and Universal Mirage?

[dusky mantle]

Not in the choices

But abyss and ER lol

[pulsar veldt]

ER?

[dusky mantle]

Elysian realm

[pulsar veldt]

Oh, i see that
Im one account level off of doing it

Is there a better way to get this Ancient Willpower
Cuz like, 30 for a full 7 clear? When i need like 900
Sounds kinda ineficient if i say so

[stray tree]

should i pull for rita miss espionage?
i'm a returnee and only have these part 2 valks: new mei, fire bonk kiana, and paws

[quasi pier]

no, none of the characters you have are compatible with her, also the patch is about to end in 2 weeks

[stray tree]

all part 1 valks, have no use anymore?

[jade zephyr]

im looking at future abyss schedule so im wondering what team i should use for fire tank
would fws-hohe-fdd work?

[vernal terrace]

Could also do FDD dps but yeah

[jade zephyr]

i dont have any other roo

[half hatch]

at this point, unless they got a stellar key, not really. Due to how p2 team building functions they're just not really a consideration when it comes to support options outside of cope options. Generally backpulling is also discouraged and imo rita was one of the more skipable valks to begin with

!faq backpull

[night parcel]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[half hatch]

if you have paws you can try fdd/paws/vbm dunno how thatll compare to fws thouhg

[jade zephyr]

Yeah I dont

[half hatch]

yeah then fdd dps is out of the question

fws it is

[jade zephyr]

Is hohe necessary? or is fws/xdc/fdd better

[vernal terrace]

Seen some do sparkle instead of HoHe so you can try that also

FWS XDC FDD anyways

[half hatch]

tbh hohe buffs are so bad i wouldnt be suprised if xdc works better

even with the weaknesspoint

[jade zephyr]

I dont have.. my valks are xdc, hohe, fws, hle, mps, me, lv

[vernal terrace]

HoHe's DMG will also be nerfed a bit

[half hatch]

yeah but her dmg is still decent

it's just that her buffs are really ass for some reason

[vernal terrace]

Yeah true

[pulsar veldt]

Would Herrscher of Human Ego be worth it to grab? Like is she strong?
I want to use this box, and HoHE is kinda the reason i originally downloaded the game

And while i have HoThunder, the grinding gamemodes are starting to feel slower, and i think i need more firepower again to make my time easier

The characters i have main interest in rn from the box are HoHE, HoFlamescion, Silverwing NEX, and HoV
(HoV last priority since i saw you can grind her easy)

[half hatch]

generally the recommendation for the box is to grab || Silverwing because she'll get a dkey next patch ||

if you're interested in HoHe you can farm her from War treasury as a side project, in terms of how good she is she doesnt have any meta relavancy without her new dkey and even with it she's more of a mediocre support and rarely gets shilled at this point. I also wouldnt really encourage backpulling her dkey at this point.

[pulsar veldt]

Alright, so i should go ||Silverwing|| then to make my still mostly earlygame grinding easier?

[terse gyro]

is there a reason that I can't swap HoRbs forms anymore? i have the astral key on her and am wondering if that changes it because she can swap if i put her on her old scythe

[vernal terrace]

Her Stellar key locks her from changing manually yes

[terse gyro]

how do you change it then? can you?

[half hatch]

tbh anything will work in early game you'd mostly get her to use the || dkey || she'll get next version

[half hatch]

play her in different teams

[quasi pier]

her stellar key locks her to dps form unless she's in a GoI team

[vernal terrace]

You only see Support form if she's in a Grail of Infinitude team

[half hatch]

WS is " DPS form "
GoI is " support form "

the terms are kinda whatever because she can still support WS in her DPS form

it's just a small change in playstyle

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[terse gyro]

that's annoying but okay :/. thanks

[pulsar veldt]

Alright

The main reason im here is because i uh
Didnt finish the tutorial when i started, so i missed free HOV and HoHE because i just, didnt get high enough acc level to notice the HoHE
Trying to save my acc rn and i narrowed to the three i mentioned above, as i like the designs mainly

[half hatch]

all of those you mentioned are in war treasury so if these are you only priority you can farm them as a side project while pulling new stuff

[pulsar veldt]

Indeed, all are my main primary interests
But as said, im still looking to use the aniversary box to help with said farming

Im also like 5 pulls from getting a garuenteed s rank from standard

[quasi pier]

dorm supply is the retirement home though, there's nothing good in there

[pulsar veldt]

Could still help to grab while im in such low garuentee
Especially with my only good character being HoThunder
(No regrets getting, she is so strong and cool! I cant wait to grab her weapon somehow one day)

[vernal terrace]

Don't waste crystals there

[pulsar veldt]

I havnt been

I noticed it was low after buying a pull from errand material

Anyway
So, consensus is i should use the box to grab ||NEX||?
Confirming

[quasi pier]

||yeah she's getting a new weapon and stigmata set next patch||

[pulsar veldt]

Awesome
I luckily have a 4 star cannon to spare
Heck yeah

Elysia, ill get you one day
One day
Probably very quickly once i start getting actual gear

Anyway, thanks for yalls help, time to go grind up a new character

[trim pulsar]

Anyone have suggestions who should I pull next if these are the only p2 characters I have? (I also have hohe dk)

[red plank]

ideally, you should save and try to pull every new release characters, since the extended patch length allows you to save enough for that

as for now, do not pull anyone and instead just save for next patch

[red plank]

||also do you happen to have Silver Wing N-EX Bronya?||

||next patch there is no new valk in supply but theres a new divine key for SW bronya in supply, it is recommended to pull for the divine key since you only need to do a maximum of 60 pulls for guarantee||

[last hull]

Have the Stellar Keys ever been rerun

I think I might pull HRBs key if it reruns

[open bone]

Yes

||Horb dkey is rerunning next patch||

[craggy plume]

They rerun pretty consistently

[vernal terrace]

Not too often though

[fleet plaza]

[pearl grail]

wasnt there supposed to be a voucher to instant clear ER this patch?

[lament prairie]

I haven't heard that before lol

[trim pulsar]

I see

[trim pulsar]

Yes

[red plank]

||then I advise you rank up SilverWing to at least SS if not already, the more the better||

please spoiler next patch content ||silverwing dkey is not yet announced outside of CN servers||

[trim pulsar]

Okay thank you

[trim pulsar]

Sorry I'll delete it

[red plank]

just spoilering it is fine

welp

[red plank]

to add on ||most people will already have SW at SS or SSS rank so it'll be pretty hard without ranks. also next patch we will be getting youyun Astral op for World Star Astral Ring, its recommended to get her to SS if you are planning to get her. be aware that pulling for Astral OPs is not necessary unles you plan on retaining or promoting in Nirvana Abyss. Astral ops would be an extra expense below nirvana. I'm mentioning this as you will be able to get SS youyun with dkey if you saved enough but the general advice is they are not necessary unles you want to retain nirvana||

||on the other hand if you really want to pull for youyun be sure you have more than enough Crystals to get her to SS ans NOT brick your chances of future patches/supplies||

[red plank]

||also on the question of wheather its better to get SW dkey or HoRb dkey, backpulling is generally not advised so it would be better to get SW dkey||

[foggy gust]

Who synergizes with her (Pls give team recommendations with her as dps)

[digital sky]

Characters who have HSS as a tag
Like (not in order of best or worst) HLE RS MPS JDS SCI LDS DAFL LP are some examples
Or if u dont have any, then u can use RoO
Vbm FDD HoFi(with dkey)

[last hull]

Make sure you get her gear since you’ve pulled her!

But basically, anyone with Shadow Star works

Who actually are the BiS supports will basically depend on the boss and invest

[quaint saffron]

https://youtu.be/gNPovHl_i_I?si=aFQkOA0RyC0ZL9vn&t=394

how did they do that at 0634?
any mechanics i should know?
where after dudu ult, they just press basic atk, and it automatically die?
i can't do that part- welp-
When i ult, i still need to press weap -> charge atk , then, press basic atk for it to die-

[spiral raven]

the ult kills p1, and the basic afterwards is the parry in p2
if u not getting the saem sequence of atks, ur ult didnt kill him, so yea its just dmg diff
pay attention to the hp bar at the top

and also make sure you see the bleed status from ps, otherwise u probably didnt apply the buff

[last hull]

FAAAAK

I didn’t realize that, I might have to skip that for 8.9 valk 😭

[quaint saffron]

ahh, i see.
it seems it really is a dmg diff. XD
gg-

[quaint saffron]

kek- i have no dmg- XD
anyhows-
Did you try this abyss already?
How's 855 as a score looking like?
A pass? A fail? ~

[spiral raven]

depends on ur bracket, idk what score to expect for that team nor do i know what d it is,
but maybe at least 880
u can upload ur run and ppl here can help probably

[plucky gust]

oof. hard options: HoS outfit, or 100 pink?

[last hull]

Enitrely up to you

Personally though, if you like HoS outfit but aren't going insane for it, I would get the 100 cards in case an outfit gets added later that you are insane about

[plucky gust]

that's why its a hard choice:

• i really like HoS outfit, but i rarely play her nowadays. BUT, if she somehow gets a p2 upgrade, the payout is insane
• 100 pink tickets is legit good for future outfits (the HoS outfit is included in that choice)

[last hull]

She already has a DKey, I heavily doubt she's going to be getting another one

[plucky gust]

hmmm, she's 198 tickets. . . okay imma get her instead of tickets then

[elfin parrot]

yatta

[plucky gust]

i really hope she gets p2 upgrade. not a new suit.

and make her GoI

[open bone]

I’m only praying for symbiosis divine prayer

We were robbed

[plucky gust]

for me, LoA SN. i really like stygian nymph design. either LoA or GoI for SN. the black -> white finisher is sooo good.

[somber wasp]

v

does hi3rd consume less space in steam than in hoyoplay?

[lament prairie]

I think you need a mental evaluation

[open bone]

Gun gun execute

[elfin parrot]

hey look if kmb almost came back with GoI i can believe anything

[lament prairie]

kmb revival would have been funny af

[open bone]

Already happened

What’s wrong with divine prayer

[lament prairie]

nothing she's the goat actually

[elfin parrot]

actually DP strats might truly happen if we ever reach a point where we can insta outburst with GoI

[open bone]

[lament prairie]

but a rank old ass p1 valk getting ring would cause me mental illness

I'd also be the most powerful person on EU

[elfin parrot]

yeah i would like to see an astral ring water djinn with CoN (cup of noodles) ring type

[lament prairie]

imejin skins that enable AR

so toxic

[elfin parrot]

it's basically the next form of augment. We've been there before

[lament prairie]

not wrong

there are a few extra skins that are aug locked

come to think of it, I never had any issue with any of the aug skins but its great that they were optional

I'd have been seething if they made aug outfits summer themed then forced me to use it

[elfin parrot]

yeah i feel they've been pretty good at keeping seasonal stuff (aside from cny recently) more on the side

well part of that is prob because seasonal stuff is more attractive for players to go out of their way for

whether it's event participation or paying crystals or actual money

[lament prairie]

I don't even mind cny getting dedicated valks, because its so important to cn players they put a lot of thought and care into getting it right

[elfin parrot]

yeah

[lament prairie]

I just hope next year isn't cny bronya lamo

[elfin parrot]

anyway i was going to say i would be annoyed if i was forced to use swimsuit trio or something despite the rest of the server preferring it lol

[lament prairie]

then cny seele

[elfin parrot]

whether for actual fanservice or because of its more premium cost/status

[lament prairie]

then cny blablabla anyone but p2

[lament prairie]

yes this so true

as much as I complain about summer outfits

so grateful I have the option to just collect them but ignore them

[elfin parrot]

i've been very on and off about what costume i use for thelema at least

although jds i've stuck with the swimsuit because i can't stand the original's design

but i don't really prefer the swimsuit version either lol

[lament prairie]

bro I can't stand either

[elfin parrot]

her glasses look like something you would get from some bubble blowing toy

it's kinda fitting but bothers me incredibly as a more premium outfit

[lament prairie]

songque summer skin is just blatantly a bikini it feels like every year we're just getting closer and closer to having the same kind of skins as the ones that got banned before

I literally prefer some of the banned skins over that songque summer outfit

[elfin parrot]

yeah at least the blatant bikinis fit societal norms until they're used in every context that includes non-fitting ones lol

[lament prairie]

[elfin parrot]

i want more summer outfits like mobius' really. That one is really pretty and well themed without being blatantly fanservicey

although i would like to see teri's duck swimsuit return someday but not for actual summer reasons

[lament prairie]

I agree with that, but they fucked up the sfx on mobius

[elfin parrot]

yeah it's kinda jarring with the weapon iirc lol

[elfin parrot]

it's only so i can use her with summer aponia for maximum duck

[lament prairie]

nah the heavenly singing sfx are just gone with the summer outfit it makes her burst mode feel boring

[lament prairie]

duckmaxxing

[elfin parrot]

a bit of a criminal thought without durandal or bronya some may say

[lament prairie]

I am so lucky my valk doesn't have weapon/skin matching issues

hov my goat

I think HoR outfits are the worst one for that especially the eva ones

I hate the mismatch so much

[elfin parrot]

ah yeah

part of me wishes i got them because of how big EVA is

but also i prob would've stuck with the original outfit regardless

i do have a personal bias for blue though so it's not exactly for weapon matching reasons

actually my hor may currently be on the magical girl outfit because i got the blue nyx recently

well anyway i have to hop off now. It's been fun chatting

[dusty dagger]

Are you a duckmaxxer

[lament prairie]

nope

[lament prairie]

oh yeah the og HoR outfit is stunning ngl

[dusty dagger]

Speaking of hor I found a fire ass art of her

[elfin parrot]

tfw og outfit is so peak you still use it over an alt event/premium outfit

i esp feel this towards hofs outfit too

[lime grail]

true

[last hull]

I was told this was a mistranslation, and that this basically is a damage increase towards typeless enemies, is this true?

[half hatch]

Yeah

Non elemental just means typeless

[fierce crypt]

still don't fix lmao

[pale palm]

I guess i can do better then
this one is beating me by 2 pints

21821(me)

[fierce crypt]

low tbh

[spiral raven]

can 900+ yea

[red plank]

who the hell's that whel

[sullen linden]

no wonder that whel is in redlotus

[red plank]

skill-less whel

also meetsu what kinda whacky team you gonna run next

[sullen linden]

run? im gonna sleep till eos

[red plank]

[vernal terrace]

[fresh hill]

Hii just a quick question since I know I shouldn’t be investing in pt 1 valks I don’t want to do too much but I plan on getting SSS Miss Pink Elf so I can unlock the witch shop and I want to use her a little even if it is just for something like low level physical weather abyss but I think HoRb I don’t have her Divine Key yet but I can get her original weapon from battle pass and I’ll have enough to get another weapon next patch from BP If I want so is it worth to get the old weapon for now I alr have her new stigmata or should she support fine when I eventually get her new weapon

[last hull]

It's just not worth it to invest into non-DKey P1 characters at all tbh

Even when it comes to gears, there's very few P1 stuff that's actually that good in the late game

If you wanna unlock the Pure Witch shop there's probably someone much better you could spend your AL and AW on

[fresh hill]

Yea I’m spending the AL on HoHe since I have her DKey but MPE is closer to SSS than her and is there really anyone useful to spend AW on?

[last hull]

Oh you've already spent the AW

I assumed you wanted to start farming MPE from scratch

[last hull]

||Also I should note in regards to this, SW is getting a new DKey next patch||

That is also something to consider allocating AL for specifically

[last hull]

How close is MPE to SSS?

[fresh hill]

she is SS3 with 5 fragments HoHe is SS2 with 6 fragments

[fresh hill]

Ah yea I was going to do that once HoHe is SSS since I prefer her and she is somewhat close

[last hull]

Oh you went along much further than I thought

[fresh hill]

But I mean is there anyone I should spend it one once MPE is SSS

[last hull]

Yea you can just get MPE to SSS then but I still heavily advise spending rare resource like crystallum on old gears

[last hull]

Do you have any valks left available that can be used in ER?

[fresh hill]

Yea a few should I get those then?

And just leave them at S

[last hull]

Yea you just need to get them so u can unlock them in ER

Each ER valk gives 620 crystals when you max them out

But if you don't immediately need the crystals you can put them off, it's a not a need

[fresh hill]

Ok thanks!! I’ll do it once MPE is SSS since she’s collar to that

[last hull]

You can refer to the War Treasury guide here for more details: #👶beginner-help message

[fresh hill]

Oh ok I didn’t know there was one of those thank you again:)

[quaint saffron]

https://youtu.be/ijURFZOzxyM

any suggestion for improvement?
Just a side note, i can't replicate the dmg check at first phase.
The IMG HP bar on top. I can't one shot it using charge atk dudu -> ult.
So, i need to really insert that charge atk riding the skateboard type.

[pulsar veldt]

Am i missing something with the red haired girl in the part 2 story?
Im at a point i can only use her, and shes sooooo weaakkk
It just took me 5 minutes to take down a wave of enemies
Is there something with her im missing?

[bleak blade]

do you have her sig wep and sig stig

also she is weak without proper teammates anyways

she is an very old unit

she is the first p2 valk iirc

[pulsar veldt]

Its in the section of the story where your only allowed to use her for now

[fresh hill]

Idk how to help you but great music taste stan LOONA

[craggy plume]

The basic idea for DA:FL is that she has an enhanced state which she enters by doing the last hit of her basic sequence which lets her weapon light up which activates the state and you then switch between basic attack and weapon as they light up. If she doesn't enter the state she deals basically no damage one way to speed up the entry is to dodge and go immediately into BA 3.
After the state runs out she can't re enter it for some time and you are meant to switch to her supports and reapply buffs and then QTE in which allows her to immediately enter the state again by pressing weapon. Then you repeat with her sequence etc.

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/25564023

[pulsar veldt]

Ohhh
Yeah i never ended up seeing the glowing part

Thanks for the info!

I finally got blastmetals signature, so i shall be leaving part 2 behind for now to keep on going with part 1 and grinding

[bleak blade]

oh i am sorry i completely misread it 😭

[jade zephyr]

Well here we are, 713 record

[elfin plume]

do elf skills also apply to astral ring? or are theyh separate buffs between P1 and P2 characcters?

cause i notice astral ops dont have a skills section

[quasi pier]

skills is for p1 valks, astral ring is for p2 valks

they are separate

[elfin plume]

gotcha, ty

[edgy hamlet]

Should I use PS or FDD?

[open bone]

For RS supp?

[edgy hamlet]

yes

I'm seeing both but idk whats better or easier

Also just saw Paul's ref and they use HoRb weapon on Rita???

[open bone]

If you got sync 3

It’s stronger for supp

Than sync 1 sig

[spiral raven]

for the start, and end try this https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13uQBBpEK2/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9
the start idk if it works for you, but the end should work

[edgy hamlet]

Oh that's interesting. I'm Sync 1 so I'll stick to her sig

[spiral raven]

its more dmg on dudu

[edgy hamlet]

so I should use PS support over FDD then?

[spiral raven]

yea

[edgy hamlet]

perfect, thank you

[spiral raven]

it also depends on ur rot

if rita only buffing and using shift

horb dkey is good

+3 that is

peeps with less dmg probs stick with rita sig

[edgy hamlet]

Yea I dont have +3 so Ill stick with her sig

[vernal terrace]

Did Mei since no RS

[lapis raven]

chat both my fws and xqc m stig is lvl45 which has a better lvl50

i can only upgrade one rn

[elfin plume]

same

[quaint saffron]

nice, so you can just swap to Kiana on the time paused moment on last phase.
I got 870.
Very pog man-
Thanks for this ref.

====
i can't do the start still.
what i can do is press weap immediately on start on dudu, so that, she's on skateboard mode.
when i swap to her, she will do the charge atk version on skateboard.
that charge atk + ult should clear the img hp on top, but sadly, i can't.

I think that's an Astral OP diff.
i am only using sera.
They're using Teriri.

*edit: also, DKey Diff. XD
my dudu atk is only 1427.
They have 1451.
Difference of 3 dkeys. 😆
gg-

[quaint saffron]

eitherway, much better score than before. XD
if i can just do the start kill on boss immediately, i can maybe reach 890+.
oh well- gg-

[last hull]

Once Im finished w Bita event, which of these events is quickest to complete before 8.8?

[crystal karma]

theres no # attached to this (current event emblem) right? unlike some other emblems?

[half hatch]

Should be the sparkle event ig, the sus event was daily locked, though to be fair idk how they handle it in voyage log. Same goes for the summer friendship resort, the events itself don't take up too much time but you need multiple days to complete them because you're resource locked. Both TFT events are a bit lengthy and the vampire survivors one is fun imo but also takes a bit

Maybe doing the sus restaurant sim on the side is also an option

[vernal terrace]

Feel like they all take time to do

[dusky mantle]

Fws

[vernal terrace]

Small difference kinda looks like but yeah

[last hull]

All right tysm

[elfin plume]

the answer is alway Kiana

[lean isle]

do you guys got some video reference for this abyss without dudu and sushang?

[half hatch]

There probably won't be one and no dudu is pretty harsh here

From what I've seen xdc/FWS/hle does decent

Ofc way worse than dudu but gotta work with what you have

[lean isle]

how about for rita?

[half hatch]

Well it's -50% lightning so her DMG sucks ass

Haven't really seen decent results with her

[lean isle]

ah right i didnt notice that

welp i guess ill just drop this abyss

[plucky pagoda]

sorry to bother but is it supposed to be here? do i have to progress this to unlock it

[quasi pier]

if you're trying to play schicksal hq, i think you have to complete sakura samsara first to unlock it

[plucky pagoda]

Okay thanks again

[mighty zinc]

No DuDu for DPS what team comp should I use?

[quasi pier]

xdc badum fdd/hle would be the best option

[mighty zinc]

Rita not worth using?

[quasi pier]

phys up is lightning down

rita does no damage here

[mighty zinc]

Oh yeah

Ight - Mei, badum, FDD

Hot 564 score

got it to 680

[cunning gull]

cant cook with mse support for insta core kill if i use say ps lead?

[half hatch]

for me it still was worse than mei

kevin core is really smol anyway so the execute is kinda meh

[cunning gull]

alr mei it is
will be cooked for top 3 anyways

[quasi pier]

I've heard everyone say sushang is bad here

[half hatch]

isnt helping that she basically cant proc bleed

i bet she has quite some buffs against bleeding enemies

[cunning gull]

i was lucky last kevin everyone played ps for some reason
now im not

[half hatch]

[cunning gull]

oh btw is there any xdc supports that are best here or do i just put fws fdd in the bag

[half hatch]

personally fws/hle was it for me but both were close

[cunning gull]

alr will try both hle and fdd third slot

[cunning gull]

i dont have enough sp to do a full xdc SO rotation (i am using ds), what do i do

[potent flame]

Am I stupid or something? Why is QTE not triggering when I dodge Kevin's black hole with Rita? (RS-FWS-ME)

It only works on Badum, but that's not the rotation I want to do

Ah, I'm stupid indeed. Ref doesn't state that you have to cast WA on her. Glad I figured it out myself

[potent flame]

Also, isn't Teri SS kinda ruining this team with her additional stellar shift?

no wonder there's SSS Dreamseeker in ref

[vernal terrace]

Don't know what you mean by Teri extra stellar shift ruining that

[digital sky]

||is ss3 and sss sw worth it? Considering the dkey||

[fresh hill]

Hii I don’t have any really good dps for the new abyss but here’s my gameplay if anyone knows how I can improve my score please let me know :).

https://youtu.be/3JsuIdRklkM?si=JlzG3AMvleCBcQgV

Also all my part two valks have full stigmata outside of Rita she’s missing a piece but I’ll carry it next week(please ignore the state of my account )

Omg and the music at the start I didn’t cut the clip properly please ignore how it keeps changing in the start

[bleak blade]

why does this show up i played through this perfectly fine the other week now its not letting me i am at 11/35 on trials btw

[vernal terrace]

Gotta complete that part first

[bleak blade]

i was also at this part when i first did and it let me play it completely fine but ig i have no other choice

[pulsar veldt]

Does HoThunder have a signature stigmata set?
Or do i have to drop high lv generics on her?

[lime grail]

Handel

[pulsar veldt]

Handel?

[vernal terrace]

Well her first set was Benares: Awakening but she uses Handel, Eden's signature stigs

[lime grail]

The set Handel

[pulsar veldt]

Ah...

[open bone]

You could try using PS ME Luna. Or actually since ME is missing stigmas probably FDD or paws better

PS is not amazing here but still at least gets weather buff

Oh wait wepless

So many wepless valks

Ranks on some of them but still no weps

I’m also not sure what the first WA ult on HLE is meant to accomplish, you don’t have buffs up yet

You can also trigger FdD qte on the transition stage to get ewa ult and buff there

Instead of wasting time doing it after

[quaint saffron]

i think at 0206:
as you do the last parry of Drag Coralie, try to complete the basic atk sequence to her combo, so that you refresh her buff.
Then, QTE to HoHE, do an aim-weap act to boss, then,
that's the time you would QTE to HLE -> weap act to her, then, charge-ult, then, activate Astral Ring.

Then, on Astral Ring 0226:
Do the weap act on Coralie instead-> ult, to generate SP,
Try skipping HoHE's Astral ring 0231.
then, swap to HLE.

On 0326, try weap act first on HLE, that might be enough to kill the boss.
if not, do the charge-ult.

here's my suggestions, just a tiny bitsy.
Hope it worked out- ~

[open bone]

For 0206 you can do the buff during the parries if you qte in Cora

Boss doesn’t take damage but can be hit

[quaint saffron]

I have some Q.
For Sushang/Badum on support for Dudu, in SO mode.
does Sushang have like time "pause" when she do QTE on SO?
IDK if that's time pause though,
cuz I switch to Sushang on SO at 804 , then, after that QTE, it's 801.
But if I do Badum, it's like -7 pts (kinda like Kira ult, for those who remember).
So what's going on here-

Why Sushang only cost 3 pts (or why does it even cost pts, cuz i thought it's a time "pause" or time-freeze or something), while Badum is 7?

[crude cloak]

Yes, 2.8 secs (so not the entirety of it)

Badum's doesn't

[quaint saffron]

ahhh- so there's time pause, but the animation is long enough that it surpass the 2.8 secs.
that's why it cost pts.
I see.

it cost pts, but minimal, cuz there's that 2.8 secs timeframe for time pause.

[formal wigeon]

On sushang you can see the bleed dmg ticks going back when the timestop ends

[crude cloak]

Or the enemy starting to move slightly again

Only slightly though cuz still sus ani

[formal wigeon]

badum also has timestop but only after the animation (still a weird move from hoyo there)

[crude cloak]

And only as leader

[formal wigeon]

damn it's even worse than I remembered

[quaint saffron]

ohhh- nice to know guys-
thanks thanks.

i have another Q.
Does Dudu get some buffs after all of units finished their enhanced QTE on SO?
Cuz i just noticed,
When I didn't do Badum QTE on SO, my dudu ult did like 1.4M.
When I intended to "waste" the Badum enhanced QTE when Deliverance boss have time pause (end of 2nd phase) so it won't cost any points,
and after i collected the balls, and do dudu ult afterwards, i did like 2.8M.

What's going on there? ~

[crude cloak]

Well, it depends on whether a lot of time has passed between you activating SO and doing RS's ult

[formal wigeon]

did you use the SO on p1 then wait out the transition ?

if so your buffs just expired

[crude cloak]

Cuz the buff's duration is not unlimited

[formal wigeon]

so her qte reapplies them

[quaint saffron]

ahh- seems that's the case.
so i didn't "waste" the Badum enhanced QTE on time pause moment,
I just reapply the buff of badum, cuz the last time Badum is on field,
is on the parrying. 😆

hmm, but i wonder,
there are modes of SO though that like refreshes buffs after you activate SO no?
Like sparkle dps, or Luna DPS.
So i thought the SO instantly activates all buffs on all modes of SO.

[crude cloak]

Yes, SO refreshes all the buffs

We meant that too much time has passed between SO activation and Dudu ult

And Badum's buff expired

[quaint saffron]

ahhhh-
i misunderstood you guys-
sorry sorry-
it's like 20 secs on time pause.
so that could be the issue.

gotcha-
thanks guys on the clarification- ~

[formal wigeon]

buffs are 25s yeah

[quaint saffron]

what timer should i look for again guys for these?
Top right timer, or middle one timer?

[formal wigeon]

I think top right timer is also paused during that stuff

so neither

real life timer doesn't work well either since time stop ults/effects do also pause the buff timer

you could record and count yourself by subtracting those but otherwise you kinda just have to know

[quaint saffron]

this one could work i guess.
I tried using top right.
I SO-ed at 0026.
I finished Sushang at 0036. 10 secs passed.
There's an 18 sec time pause, but the buff timer for that is not paused?
so like 10 + 18 = 28.
Already greater than 25.
nice, mystery solved.
You guys are right. 😆

So i need to reapply Badum stuff on time pause, so that 25 secs are refreshed.
and it's free real estate, literally free because of time pause.
nice- ~

[edgy hamlet]

Why is my PS WA not hitting the boss at the start? 😭

[quaint saffron]

I have a little bit of note for that.
Wait a sec, lemme give a screenshot. ~

here here- ~

and you may ask, where is sushang standing?
I got you!

[edgy hamlet]

Ohhhhh I was def standing way too far forward

Thanks this helps a lot!

[quaint saffron]

nice- problem solved! XD

i am working on a video with regards to this boss, so i have some pointers like that. tehee- ~

are you also using the same team that i am using btw? ~

dudu-badum-sushang ?

[edgy hamlet]

No I tried dudu badum and rita and it was scoring a bit worse than dudu sushang and rita

[edgy hamlet]

I have not tried this variation tho

[quaint saffron]

ahh-
i have no rita, so i can't really help though how you would do rita in here. :<
hope you are having better results! ~

[edgy hamlet]

Yup already got a better score just now, thanks

[quaint saffron]

are you in RL?
Cuz if you're on Nirvana, i think i am helping out not on my league- XD

[edgy hamlet]

Nirv yes. I mostly struggle with these little details that most refs never tell you so this was helpful

[quaint saffron]

oh- thankfully though those are just minor details-
i was afraid i would be helping, then, it turns out not helpful- XD
i am only an RL retainer as of now, can't really achieve that nirv retainer moment. 😆 ~

[edgy hamlet]

That's alright, I'm sure you will nirv PROMOTE

[vernal terrace]

Retained Nirv once

[quaint saffron]

i got promoted multiple times on Nirv. XD
But after that.
A boss I can't do. 😆
GGFF- XD

guys, i have another Q.
So, I just noticed as well.
On SO on Dudu:
You pick her, then, you Ult on the Boss. The ult dmg dealt to the IMG HP Bar is 10M, then you do her CAs on Skateboard.
But:
If you do CAs on Skateboard first, before Ulting, the ult dmg dealt to the IMG HP bar became like 8M.

Why the sudden fluctuate downwards of the dmg, when you just reverse the order?
I kinda didn't understand that too. welp-

[quaint saffron]

when you do burst first to CA vs when you do CAs first to burst

[formal wigeon]

my guess would be that

[obtuse lintel]

hi

what to use in this abyss if i dont have dudu?

[vernal terrace]

Meimei

[obtuse lintel]

this?

[vernal terrace]

Yes

[obtuse lintel]

ref?

[quaint saffron]

yep, i found it.
your guess is right.
After doing 3 charge atks on dudu, they were out on their skateboard, which means, skyrider form ended, so no more augmented ascension, so no more buffs from SO.
nice- problem solved- XD
thanks man- 😆

[vernal terrace]

Gonna attempt to find one
But the start is simple
Dodge attack with FWS then CA QTE HLE then QTE XDC for the start

[quaint saffron]

i guess if i just read the skill set more, i would know better. XD
man, the Astral ring descriptions are all so lengthy- 😭

though it's kinda ironic.
I am a yapper in terms of when I type.
I can type long.
But i can't read long. 😆 ~

[obtuse lintel]

nobody has ref

hieu le, dodoco, mimitsu

marisa either ||not like he does refs all the time tho ||

[vernal terrace]

[open bone]

Turn off Mei qte tho

[obtuse lintel]

no

true mei fan doesnt turn off Mei qte

cuz Mei is always gonna be my qte

[open bone]

I carry my own QTE with me wherever I go

[obtuse lintel]

[vernal terrace]

[quasi pier]

marisa has a sss dudu

[obtuse lintel]

[quasi pier]

you're probably not going to see the usual people do a ref because the difference between dudu and any alternate is like a 150 point drop

[obtuse lintel]

lack of ref and hands hits hard

[open bone]

That’s less than my Nirvana score kek

[obtuse lintel]

[open bone]

Do you have Chenxue?

[obtuse lintel]

nope

just doing the first part takes me to 880

[spiral raven]

full s0+1 is like 875+ yea

[plucky gust]

upto 900 iirc

at least on the refs i see.

[spiral raven]

yea u can do 900 rl if u hab at least s teri prob

[open bone]

They’re using Mei

Because they don’t have Dudu

(Neither do I tho)

[plucky gust]

ooh. okay

[vernal terrace]

800 seems impossible without Dudu dps

[open bone]

Meibad

[plucky gust]

dodoco and hieu le is making my rl/nirv jumper alive lul

[plucky gust]

did anyone tried trio?

[quasi pier]

significantly worse

[plucky gust]

why? is it weather-based, or just the boss mechanic?

[obtuse lintel]

hey, i got a better score

[vernal terrace]

Weather bonus likely

[open bone]

Kevin too tanky

Without weather bonus

[obtuse lintel]

[plucky gust]

ooh. got it.

[vernal terrace]

[obtuse lintel]

close

[obtuse lintel]

[vernal terrace]

Triobad

[obtuse lintel]

how in the freya am i supposed to maintain in this bracket

[vernal terrace]

Also just got 742

[obtuse lintel]

only the last 3 mf in top 10 did less than 800

even if i get top 10 now

for sure someone is gonna rank me down later anyways

[open bone]

Crazy how slacc Riley’s bracket is

[obtuse lintel]

is it just me or the movement in this stage starts too soon?

[open bone]

Guess that’s the sea difference

[vernal terrace]

I always get the slaccets in RL

[open bone]

Good news is tho that after this abyss Riley and I will finally have synced trophies

So I can go to Nirv same time they do

[obtuse lintel]

i mean, pretty much after valk enters the stage i can move

[open bone]

And maybe finally see them in a bracket

[vernal terrace]

RL too big

[obtuse lintel]

i can even feel like a little jump when i start moving

guess ill just pray i can do next abyss

[open bone]

Next up is fire tank

Lantern shill

But can use FDD or Luna if you don’t have

Badum maybe possible too

[obtuse lintel]

well, guess what

no lamp, no fdd, no luna dk

[open bone]

Badum Hohe Vita then

Or Mei over vita

[obtuse lintel]

[vernal terrace]

Tank is the second to last boss then we have Phys AG

[obtuse lintel]

so

im gonna get -100 now

[open bone]

I gotta promo on tank and phys ag if I want to get to nirv for ||sw shill||

[obtuse lintel]

prob -100 next time cuz i always get hard brackets

and then, the sd boss that i can fight cuz i have hle and badum

is gonna be when im on a3 again

[quasi pier]

nah just get the flamescion out for old times sake

[open bone]

Mei HLE Badum does pretty well yah

[obtuse lintel]

even if that was posible, i have her 3/4

[quasi pier]

you can borrow mine trust

[obtuse lintel]

can i borrow your credit card instead?

[quasi pier]

nothing in it

[obtuse lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/money-anime-pay-cookie-wataten-gif-25753294

[quasi pier]

f2p for a reason, we broke

[obtuse lintel]

but you get the easy abyss, i dont

[quasi pier]

i show up and get full payment, you gotta actually work

[obtuse lintel]

i would waste some money

[vernal terrace]

[obtuse lintel]

but shit is too expensive

[quasi pier]

i don't spend money on gachas period, if the game is free, no reason to pay

[obtuse lintel]

yeah, but i dont see any problem to waste some money in the games you like

but

thats the thing, some money, not 2 years of salary

[open bone]

Forced 2 pay

[obtuse lintel]

i mean, supposing that id get the valk in 80 pulls and the weap in 50 pulls (which are not even the max pity), thats already 36400 crystals, that in top up crystals is like more than 90% of my month salary

even discounting the 20k crystals i could get for free by just playing, 16k is already almost half of it anyways

[quasi pier]

my rule is if a game is free, it better be fun to play for free, if they try to paywall me or the game has a drastic difficulty spike becaus i didn't pay, i leave

[open bone]

If you just buy monthly card it’s like 50 cents a pull

Not a terrible deal

But yeah I don’t buy crystals

Because it’s just not enough value for my cash

[obtuse lintel]

at 50 cents is still 45usd for 90 pulls

[obtuse lintel]

or even as before, 80 and 50, thats still 65 usd

[open bone]

Well 45 usd for 100

But yeah

It’s 11 pulls per monthly

[obtuse lintel]

45 for 90

[open bone]

Yeah the 50c was approximate

[obtuse lintel]

still, around 60usd per valk + gear

[open bone]

Yeah

[obtuse lintel]

a regular meal here costs about 4usd

and i mean, at a restaurant

[open bone]

wow so expensive

[obtuse lintel]

at about 4 to 5 usd you can get pretty good launch

or even cheaper in some places

60 is more than 10 meals

the cheapest deal would be bp

but idk how many crystals can those give

[vernal terrace]

Knight gives an extra 2k

[formal wigeon]

Every game be free

[vernal terrace]

F2P is 1250

[obtuse lintel]

not even 10 pulls

[open bone]

Just 7 yeah

[obtuse lintel]

and paladin?

[open bone]

0

[vernal terrace]

None

[obtuse lintel]

[vernal terrace]

Paladin gives no crystals

[formal wigeon]

BP never been good for pulls, it's just the balls and miscellaneous stuff on the side

[obtuse lintel]

so not even that is a good deal

[vernal terrace]

Balls are important

[obtuse lintel]

i dont have balls

i spent them all

[open bone]

I need balls for Sena wep. And Teri when she enters BP. And Sparkle

I’m so poor

[formal wigeon]

Might wanna get checked on that

[obtuse lintel]

[last hull]

||Could I go for both SW and HRB Dkey next patch and still be able to have enough crystals for 8.9? Could I even get both keys in time before HRB’s leaves?||

[open bone]

Not unless you lucksacc

You have 8 weeks total ||until SW dkey leaves, and need to get HoRB dkey first because it leaves first.|| You can get maybe 2-2.5k crystals a week, optimistically call it 18k, for 24k total.

And you need 34k to guarentee 2 weps

[last hull]

Wallahi Im cooked

[open bone]

||if you’re committed to both I would save for Horb dkey if I don’t get SW dkey in the first 20 or so pulls, so you can get Horb dkey before pity runs away, and grind 1 time sources like crazy||

But might be smarter just to pick one

[last hull]

I was considering HRB DKey cause I have a B Stig and the selector box, plus HRB Key would be nice to have for SW here and there, and +10 atk

But I dont think I would be losing all that much if I skipped it, no?

[open bone]

Yeah probably not

I don't hate backpulling dkeys but you can't rlly afford it

[last hull]

I guess I gotta pray for luck then

Sigh I guess getting HLE in 1 pull was a shot in the foot after all

[dusky mantle]

Kekeke

Thats crazy talk

Not unless 1 pity left

[dull sphinx]

Dkey are just good to have overall, as long as you can afford it

[fresh hill]

Yea it really annoys me when my pity is not a multiple of ten and I was doing a few pulls to get it to like fourth twice and that’s how I got ME and PS and I got PAWS and 2 Badums from the free carnival pulls but I plan to eventually get weapons at some point I kinda just wanted enough valks to clear memorial arena and it lead to that

Anyways thank you all for your help

[plucky gust]

a 900+ pt run. its been a while. . .