💁gameplay-help

[pale musk]

Ok then I don’t think I’m gonna bother too much. Maybe 666 and then give up there

[sweet summit]

Do we know when part 2 seele will come out?

[hearty yacht]

There is no confirmation or teaser that indicates a seele suit is coming (only appeared in the story)

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/w_pWwaVrb7w?si=GDWtMbw1BnaKF2KE ok so I'm at a point where it doesn't make sense to try and go safer at least, so ty

[cunning gull]

mhm but the purpose remains to be the same, that she doesn't need to say longer for it
tbh i said my part more so it explain what the animation looks like if she wasn't swapped but yeah that's fair enough

[dusky mantle]

slacc bracket i believe

[bitter ice]

Is SS Sera worth it

[misty kettle]

i read the guide for box, but i want to ask if my thought process is right - if i have both hohe (ss) and hotr (s2) 4/4 (hohe weapon included), then it's better for me to get hotr, right? i have complete 4/4 trio with dkey too

[dusky mantle]

i mean, i'm partial to ely since i believe trio is dying soon

[crude cloak]

1. Flawless Benediction on HoHE?
2. ||Trio's pretty much replaced by Rita||, and the only other use case for HoTr (FoV) is almost dead as well

[crude cloak]

||If you're skipping Rita you can go for HoTr, trio will still be a solid option afaik depending on your ranks||

[misty kettle]

yes, hohe's new weapon. idk if i will have enough for ||rita|| to get her 4/4

[crude cloak]

SS1 on HoHE is nice but isn't anything big

[misty kettle]

alright, thanks for your answers

[edgy hamlet]

where can I salvage a point or two in this run?

[full trench]

try hle qte on, doesn't make p1 slower and should be a better way to get the damage ur missing in p2 than wa

[edgy hamlet]

I just did a few mins ago after seeing kyoshiro's run and it helped. I think I sleep now

[full trench]

nice

i have to do an extra qte for such a small sliver

[edgy hamlet]

[edgy hamlet]

Took me a bunch of runs before the finisher killed it. I'd usually sliver too but idk what I did different that run

[mint plover]

the swich from hle to fdd in p2 could be a bit faster

[mint plover]

and besides that i dont think you can speed it up

im doint exactly the same run exactly the same timings

[full trench]

that swap is actually just slow idk why

[edgy hamlet]

Idk if it's a controller issue but I found that part a bit weird. I'd spam the switch but theres always some delay there on every run

[full trench]

u werent even using controller for that part

[mint plover]

yeah i found it too, but id say that myne is a bit faster

[edgy hamlet]

Ik but would it still affect it if it's plugged in?

[mint plover]

he's used controller for all the video tho

[full trench]

it shouldn't

[edgy hamlet]

hmm

[full trench]

like you might get latency when you first switch controls but after you start using one or the other it should be as fast as it normally is

[edgy hamlet]

Actually HLE during transition is mouse, FDD swap is controller then her WA and ult are mouse then it's back to controller for the rest

[full trench]

oh i see

[round arch]

the starting hle wep and ult can be a bit faster for 985 cora ult

theres just that, for -1 tho. Everything else looks fine

[edgy hamlet]

985??? I barely got it to 984

[round arch]

yes

[edgy hamlet]

I legit didn't even know that was possible

[round arch]

985

[round arch]

https://youtu.be/t9FIEa8Js5k

In case u wanted to see it

[full trench]

whale fps 😔

[round arch]

its around 280 avg tho xD

[fathom bluff]

Im doing chapter 11 rn, I can't do stage 11-17.. help plz

Nvm

[lament prairie]

why is my timer ticking down during prom ult in SI TA team all of a sudden

what the actual fuck

I'm doing same rot I always have

actual nonsense

is it something specific to heph

whatever

[boreal eagle]

fun score

[rare iris]

984 is alright cause p1 plays around hle weap cd, what matters is how early you use hle weap at the start resulting a high 960/low 961 hle 2nd weap, 932 Ult, and into 922 finisher damage tick kill

[edgy hamlet]

Right, that's a fair point. Btw thanks for the ref

[rare iris]

🫡

[open bone]

Heph has a bunch of really annoying iframes, is that what happened?

[spiral raven]

he only has a blocking stance

not iframe, but ig u can call the block stance iframes

if u do things late he enters block stance, seen when hofs ult here

he take no dmg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446011203244916747/1448437437499048129/202512110909.mp4?ex=694087fb&is=693f367b&hm=fde2c089d87dd07e5e7976c59c2441e529ba58cf5a704f797312f6753503d1b6&

but in this case i just got lucky

[obtuse lintel]

i just translated text in the screen

well, i didnt get demoted at least

i got 10th place

[thick aspen]

its called being slow

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/R62dpIqvM6Q If I optimize this better could I hit 731 I need 731 to survive this cycle.

[mellow willow]

is hohe's manta ray counted as summoned entitiy and ranged damage?

[cunning gull]

• no
• not sure
  normally you would try to tell if an atk ranged or not based on the animation itself
  but in general hoh is ranged

if you're talking about ER then you'll have to check the ER adjustments that mention this stuff

[mellow willow]

ok ok ty

[wooden patrol]

do we have info on what the upcoming abyss shills are or atleast the recent one's thats about to

[craggy plume]

They should be pinned here and it isn't far enough ahead there are some more in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[sinful pelican]

hey I completed all the story missions from what I can tell, but I didn't get the dreamseeker chip?

I did skip through the last chapter but is there something else that I need to do to get it?

[craggy plume]

No, check the reward tab for the current chapter

[sinful pelican]

that's weird, I've completed who am I and I got the crystal reward

there's no more missions available, everything is in the completed tab

but still no dreamseeker chip?

[vernal terrace]

Chapter 4 and Chapter 10 give a chip

[sinful pelican]

I have the chapter 4 chip and I'm at ss, I looked at the gameplay and I don't think I've done chapter 10 but I'm unable to find it either

all missions show as completed, chapter 10 doesn't have its tab by the looks of it

[prisma nebula]

chapter 10 has it's own spot it should look like this.

[cunning gull]

make sure u have this

[celest zodiac]

Is it worth getting lantern or mini dudu? Im a returnee and i only have a fully built vita and no weapon senadina for part 2 characters no new divine keys too

[craggy plume]

For the chip @sinful pelican

It is not worth backpulling either of these characters. Focus on getting the next patch valk + weapon first before thinking about backpulls @celest zodiac

[open bone]

Lantern was bad on release. Dudu is better but not worth the crystals

[craggy plume]

Both are quite old so rarely get bosses and they are not particularly useful supports for the next valk as RS WoD support is very questionable and you probably would rather use DA:FL, LP instead.

[open bone]

Are you a newbie or a returnee? How many crystals do you have? What are your goals

Have you finished part 1 story and your other 1 time sources yey? Also spoiler ||mei||, Rita is revealed on global but she isn’t

[honest sail]

not yet

[open bone]

If I could only pull one of 8.6 and 8.7 I would try to pull 8.7, on the theory that anniversary battlesuits are usually better than average. If you like one of them more as a character that might change it. Otherwise I would probably do the discounted pull and then save next patch, even though it’ll be painful, rather than risk getting stuck with both Wepless Rita and not being able to afford 8.7, which would be the worst of both worlds

If you get above 17k crystals you can also do some individual rolls hoping to get lucky as long as you keep 17k in reserve

[night parcel]

Captain. Any claims about leaks, including jokes/fake are not allowed. For the latest cn updates and releases, check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[digital sky]

So uhm can lv 0s SK....

[spiral raven]

she can

[digital sky]

Nice

Lv can 0s basically anything jesus lmao

[pale palm]

why can't I get all 3 stacks at the beginning of the battle,what exactly I am supposed to do
the first 2 requires jump and the 3rd evade on the ground if I understand it correctly

I cannot get more than 1

[formal wigeon]

Do you hit it each time after ?

iirc you have to fill up some ignite trauma everytime

[pale palm]

I am or at least I think I am,the time I am given is extremely small

I have to fill the traima 3 times and I am barely filling any of it when I evade at the first time

[boreal eagle]

this is what u have to do

try to copy the position and everything else

really easy when u get the timing down

other stuff trash

[pale palm]

thanks

[thick aspen]

you are missing lot of dmg

better delay the enhanced weapon so it hits him as he becomes vulnerable

[boreal eagle]

that's a -1 tho i think

no wait i can skip the ult and just AO

ye gotta try that thx paulao

[thick aspen]

here me whole run you should be able to do minimum breath in p1 and drop a lot of the extra coralie basics in p2 with vita +3 https://youtu.be/_jKibJ5jydE

probably like 833 or 834 score

[boreal eagle]

what a nice not bugged transition

[thick aspen]

this boss is so cooked

[warm anchor]

I'm on sinful 3 can I still use the seele DPS team?(With Prometheus and Senti, no Astral ring, i have both weapons though)

[steady osprey]

yeah sinful is just anything will work

[warm anchor]

Also I have the new Ely, but I don't have any part 2 valk, only Theresa without her weapon

[steady osprey]

do u have fire dps, its +50 fire and -50 ice

[warm anchor]

Sirin

[steady osprey]

sirin is better than horb, u can get through the ignite shield/requirement

and +30% type advantage too

[vernal terrace]

Fire weather but has a ignite requirement

[steady osprey]

yep. if u deal ignite trauma (full circle) to his 'ghost image' he will take more dmg

[dusk bridge]

Do i pull Rita or i save ?

[steady osprey]

how much xtal u have rn

[dusk bridge]

2800 and 26 pull pity

In 26 pulls i have a s rank

[steady osprey]

weapon pity?

[dusk bridge]

58

[craggy plume]

Skipping seems fairly reasonable then to me assuming no weapon pity. It is going to be decently far into the patch before you have the resources to pull

[dusk bridge]

Ok thank you

[thick aspen]

rita first skippable valk since teri

[dusk bridge]

[craggy plume]

Are we saying that because you can probably cope with ranked trio/HoO on her weathers in RL?

[steady osprey]

hoyo will make it an astral ring weather

like, harmonized star weather

[thick aspen]

pretty meh damage, at s0 probably loses to a heavily ranked trio, bad support tags (only loa and wod), img niche

i mean of course you should still pull if you can but if you are a f2p looking for a rest patch now is one of the better moments

[steady osprey]

heh maybe i would skip

i can cope with hoo

[vernal terrace]

||Only 2 I saw is Shadow Environment JK and HoDom, the rest are lightning||

Though of course it still depends on what bosses they run

[steady osprey]

btw 2 tags is the 'normal' number, no?

[craggy plume]

2 or 3 both are pretty common but PAWS and PS are some other recent ones with 2

3 is probably slightly more common

[steady osprey]

idk who has 3 tags except hohe? and paws actually can supp fdd in roo

[craggy plume]

FDD, FWS, HLE,RS

[vernal terrace]

Vita still has the most

[dusk bridge]

Vita is the best

[craggy plume]

HoRB is also another 2 tag valk

[steady osprey]

oh lol rs can supp Goi

i never noticed

[craggy plume]

It is not that noticeable since her shieldbreak niche doesn't come up and there are a lot of GoI supports

[vernal terrace]

There's the reason why they made Extreme Weather stun fish

[steady osprey]

the stun fish from melee weather?

[thick aspen]

theres nothing wrong with the number but she dont have goi nor ???

so she can only support old valks who dont get that many bosses to begin with

[steady osprey]

damn im starting to think hoyo seem to hate this valk

[vernal terrace]

Flying Fish started as Melee?

[steady osprey]

is it the brick fish or not

[vernal terrace]

Yeah brick fish

[steady osprey]

the mob stages are melee so maybe i mistake its weather

[vernal terrace]

Unbalanced Environment

[formal wigeon]

it was stun weather iirc

+dmg after stun

[steady osprey]

[vernal terrace]

RS GoI support made this a thing

[steady osprey]

paws?

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

If no PAWS, gotta cope with HLE

[dusk bridge]

[hearty yacht]

devs cringe

[vocal coral]

which one to choose? both are s simple...

[open bone]

Check pins in beginner help

[prisma nebula]

Is it possible to get all 3 stacks on litost without paws I can only seem to get 2.

Never mind found out the first 2 need to be jumped

[prisma nebula]

Is there anything I could be doing better? The only gacha units I have is FDD and HLE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FWf8K0A1KU

[craggy plume]

Rebuff with HLE in last part of phase 2 transition as you already have killed 8 phantoms, no need to kill more and then you don't need to waste time where he can be damaged on rebuffing.

[prisma nebula]

So switch to HLE at around 1:47 to buff you're saying correct?

[craggy plume]

1:40

[prisma nebula]

Got it, thanks.

[craggy plume]

In practice of course this run is kinda cooked because you are doing 2 SO on a 1 SO fight, since you lack second RoO support and there isn't that much you can do. This can very easily end in a demotion no matter what you do.

[prisma nebula]

I figured but it's good pratice to do learn to do better anyways will help for the future.

[finite barn]

wow is rita really THAT skippable that she loses to trio...

thats so sad...

[thick aspen]

we are talking about like 9S trio vs. s0+1 rita here though

s2 rita is immediately a lot stronger

but just illustrating the point that shes not that big of an upgrade

[spiral raven]

it dont make her "skippable" if u dont have those ranks

and theres still other weathers that shills her specifically

its just the recent img bull weather that sees big invested trio do better

[thick aspen]

MA HoO is also holding to her scores

[spiral raven]

oh yea

needs ss rita to beat

[finite barn]

o you mean 9s i thought you meant like ss+ range for all

[spiral raven]

i mean u dont have big invested trio teams no, it wont change anything for u

[daring marlin]

Hello I have asked this before but just had another question so these are the characters I have as a returnee I was told to hold off my xtals for the upcoming rita but just saw that the HoFI dlc weapon is coming back and wanted to ask if it would be worth it to pull for it? since I do have HoFi too but was wondering if it is really worth it for my account

[sleek imp]

nighty night keks

[open bone]

Do you have ranked trio? If so, hofi dkey could be considered a cheap alternative for Rita shill

[daring marlin]

I do have them but I don't have HoTr gear at all

only HoFi and HoO is built

[open bone]

Hmm. What ranks on HoO

[daring marlin]

just S since didn't use the team after new expansion didn't get the ER stuff yet

[open bone]

And do you have a good P1 lightning support like golden Diva or Luna or such with gear?

[daring marlin]

I have Golden diva built yes

sss

my other support is fischle for lightning

[open bone]

Last q then, what’s your crystal count like

[daring marlin]

7k 5 valk cards 2 weapon cards
33 pity till weapon
48 pity till character

[open bone]

Hmm. Okay, so I’ll lay out the options here and what you’d get from them

[daring marlin]

will get 2.4k ish more before version end

[open bone]

Firstly, you could pull neither and save for 8.7. 8.7 is a spending event and an anni valk, probably high value, but we know nothing about them. Until then you’d probably be stuck in RL bounce, probably.

[daring marlin]

I am fine with bounce tbh I am fine with A3 itself

[open bone]

Secondly, you could pull for Hofi dkey. This gets you vita dps and HoO dps and maybe a bit of trio if you have good cope gear for HotR. HoO or Trio Dps without ranks isn’t good per se, but it can probably outscore people who have neither ||Rita nor ranked trio on Rita shill||, which means decent odds to retain RL those weathers. Better if you can get HoO ranks from ER and PWO shop. Advantage here is you get 10 attack account wide going forwards and it’s cheap

Thirdly, you can pull for Rita. This plausibly compromises 8.7 though, which might be very bad if it’s a higher value pull (||Rita seems unexceptional so far as a dps and support, though hardly bad, afaik||)

The safe option would be to plot out how much you’ll get between now and 8.7, make sure you save enough for Valkyrie + weapon, and only pull what you have spare on top of that

I would reccomend Rita over hofi dkey for meta but if you want hofi dkey it wouldn’t be the worst option per se

You could also just toss the discounted 10 pull at her and only pull her weapon if you get lucky

[daring marlin]

hmm ye could do that

oh and while I am here I do have SQ but not her weapon if it ever comes up should I try it?
and apparently I have 30 till valk on returnee as well don't really want lanter and don't know the next one coming up is it worth getting it?

[open bone]

Sonque has almost certainly had her last banner already

If you were buying BP getting her weapon there would be good but if you’re F2P she can still function as a LoA support for Badum with no weapon

I think fish is probably next patch returnee since she was patch after lantern release but you could ask in CN gameplay discussion; I wouldn’t spend crystals on it tho

[daring marlin]

will she be in bp next version?

SQ

[open bone]

Probably 2 patches, 8.7

[daring marlin]

hmm ok could think about it at that time for a one time buy

and I see that lunar vow is free is she worth investing in? won't be able to buy bp to get her weapon on it before it is gone unless it goes into the normal pool?

[open bone]

Lunar vow technically still has some weather and bosses but they barely run

And you’d need her full gear to do it

And even if you had it you’d be competing with people who have s2+

[daring marlin]

fair then oh well will just sit in the corner ig

thnx for the infos I am thinking I would most likely save for 8.7

don't think I will have enough wishes if I pull for rita for the anni char

although my pity is low will be reseting it to 160 till guarantee and that is not fun

[weak drum]

its actually 140 (90+50) excluding discount and free tickets

[open bone]

You mean 150

[weak drum]

what

[open bone]

90+60

[weak drum]

its 60 not 50?

[open bone]

Weapon banner is 60 pulls

[weak drum]

dang

still 150 smh

[daring marlin]

wait ye new banners are 90

[weak drum]

havent looked at pity bc i just pull

[open bone]

FAQ ches time

[daring marlin]

what an issue to have lol but ye thanks tesseract again

[open bone]

NP

[weak drum]

its bc im lucky

and i spend money

[daring marlin]

I only once got lucky with MP and all my other stuff I have gotten at 9 or less pity ;-; specially valks and no money

[weak drum]

wait what the fuck its paros i nma no

[jovial cedar]

i dunno if this counts as gameplay help but i really want to pull for elisia and im wondering where i can pull for her from this Sobs idk if i have it unlocked or not

[spiral raven]

banner over

[jovial cedar]

oh....

[spiral raven]

reruns next patch

most likely

[edgy hamlet]

Im confoosed... why does litost have an extra chunk of HP removed before coralie does her ult? I can only get it sometimes? I didnt get it here in this clip

[spiral raven]

idk why u dont get it, but the extra chunk comes from ur enhanced. wa

it should hit

[edgy hamlet]

more often than not, I dont get it...

[spiral raven]

my openineg is a bit different tho and for me i always get it so far

[edgy hamlet]

lemme slow down a bit and see if it helps

[edgy hamlet]

are you ulting with coralie at 980 as well?

[spiral raven]

nah its slower tho

[edgy hamlet]

oh

I'll report back if I see a breakthrough of my issue

[jovial cedar]

how do i switch characters in gameplay? TvT been a hot minute since i played

[spiral raven]

you press 1 or 2

idk ur keybinds

or u tap them on screen

[edgy hamlet]

I think I just had to slow down? it's a bit more consistent now...

[spiral raven]

i see that pretty big

[edgy hamlet]

still 979/980 ult

[spiral raven]

u do trade cora qte for it

big dmg player

[edgy hamlet]

NA dist low enough that I only have to do a partial WA before her big ULT in P1 to cleanly finish

so maybe it's worth?

[spiral raven]

i think its fine for sea d as well

im just poorge

[edgy hamlet]

[full trench]

what the 🐳

i have to do full wa

[edgy hamlet]

we have the same gear

[edgy hamlet]

ohh dorm atk low?

[full trench]

-45 atk

and the affixes are

i dont want to talk about it

[edgy hamlet]

ooof

this is why I bought BP for the balls

[full trench]

i had to buy thel stuff :(

[edgy hamlet]

same

I think S2 thel or below kinda struggle to retain depending on the bracket

then again NA brackets are a hit or a miss

[celest zodiac]

Um did they do something with er or are part 2 characters just that strong? Im using pri HoH and she's clearing finality like its a walk in the park?

[open bone]

both are true, almost anyone can clear finality with gear and not much difficulty, and also almost all p2 valks are good at it with full gear, and also hohe is very good at er

[lament prairie]

ER in general is a walk in the park since it got hella nerfed years ago

[dusky geode]

how do I get more of these without doing material return😭😭 I do all 10 stages every week, but don't get a lot

[craggy plume]

There are a few other sources but very limited it is mainly UM

[dusky geode]

I need more stigmata since all my valks suck

[open bone]

time swirl passes. You can also ask for stuff in armada. Both are slow

and there might be some boxes you have

[dusky geode]

ran out of time swirl passes

[open bone]

there were some boxes with a ton in events earlier this patch

idk if you got them or theyre still avail

[dusky geode]

I think I opened them all LMAO or chose different stuff in them

[open bone]

yeah rip. No fast way then

[craggy plume]

What stigmata do you need them for?

[open bone]

what stigma are yout rying to craft?

[dusky geode]

any stigma

[open bone]

most of them arent worth crafting

[dusky geode]

fire, ice, I need them since I only have physicals

[open bone]

do you not have peary from starter event

[dusky geode]

yea but I need more

[open bone]

thats really strong for ice and decent for anything

[dusky geode]

for other valks

[open bone]

you can swap it between valks

whenever u change who ur using

[craggy plume]

which valks are you talking about?

[dusky geode]

kinda like all valks

[open bone]

if you really want cheap ice stigma you could look at scott, I think that one doesnt need ether fuel, but you shouldnt need them

[dusky geode]

I need better fire valks, so trying to build rita and Natasha rn

[open bone]

just build VBM

she's much stronger and a way better support

[dusky geode]

which one is she

[craggy plume]

Valkyrie Blastmetal

[open bone]

valkyrie blastmetal, coralie

[craggy plume]

Optainable from Asterite shop and early p2 story

[open bone]

her wep is also free in story

[dusky geode]

oh her, she kinda sucks honestly, does bad damage

[open bone]

did you not get her weapon

[dusky geode]

no

I crafted one but still

[open bone]

the crafted one is terrible

her signature is free in story

[dusky geode]

I haven't done story yet so I'll focus on that now thnkssss

[open bone]

np. It's part 2 story, really early on, like, 10 mins in or smth

[dusky geode]

still on the second to last chapter of part 1

in elysias garden

[prisma olive]

What ELF should I get?

Only ELFs I got are Water's Edge and Kiana Kaslana

[craggy plume]

ELFs are at best an minor upgrade over DS I would go for more Kiana unless she is already at 4 star

[open bone]

if you already have 4* kiana you can consider project bunny or elysia elf

but kiana has more uses

whats best for quantum pig if you don't have teri or sporkle? Peregrine sword dps?

[cunning gull]

yeah loa shenanigans work
although keep in mind if you look for refs you'll still see sparkle but as a support

[open bone]

makes sense. I'll have to see if I can cope shadow knight without PS and without losing too many pts doing it

[cunning gull]

ngl I'll be in the same boat
i do have jds n horb but i can't make a team for sk with them

[open bone]

fdd loses like 200 on sk 💀

[vernal terrace]

Gotta cope with something

[open bone]

might have to do like. HLE Badum Hohe on paros, FDD VBM Hofi pig, PS paws ta on sk maybe

[vernal terrace]

Oh now I gotta figure out my teams for that

[open bone]

hmm PS Hofi TA can 4sec it, so maybe I can free up paws for pig

31733 is pretty sad tho

[vernal terrace]

Paros: HLE, FDD, Badum
QUA pig: PS or PAWS dps with the other as support plus VBm
SK: HoRb, Thelema, VBs

Should I do these teams?

[open bone]

is VBS remotely better than TA there

whats the 3/3 leader bonus

[open bone]

9% reso damage? are you even stellar outbursting this fight?

surely TA bonus is better

I might skip thelema too tbh

remember that you also have 5% phys damage per phys damage dealer right

[vernal terrace]

Isn't that with Part 1 gear?

[open bone]

idts? Hohe starting sp applies in part 2

try loading horb and then horb plus uhh one of the physical huas with no stigmas

see what your damage numbers look like

[vernal terrace]

This?

[open bone]

yeah

Just load horb into SK with no supports and then 1 random phys, use some basics, see if damage numbers change

pretty sure they do

[vernal terrace]

That's her part 1 leader

[open bone]

yes

but im pretty sure you get both, because Hohe gets her starting sp

[vernal terrace]

Did not know they stack

[open bone]

thats why I said test it

[vernal terrace]

Alright

[open bone]

yeah hofi seems to also get her mei bonus

for me just putting crimson impulse on the squad

[vernal terrace]

30K DMG with HoS and TA on CA for HoRb

[open bone]

and how much with just ta?

[vernal terrace]

Almost the same

29.9k

[open bone]

yeah, so the leader buff does apply

presumably

tho ig crits make it harder to be 100% certain

[vernal terrace]

62K with Thelema buffs and TA

[open bone]

oh you have thelema stigs?

[vernal terrace]

Level 35 but yes

[open bone]

ah then yeah thelema ta prolly best

how many secs does it take you to kill?

[vernal terrace]

10

[open bone]

prolably a waste to do horb dps then

just bring PS over, 3 sec it, and use HLE Horb Badum + Paws FDD VBM or smth

maybe hle vbm badum since paws wants second symb more

[vernal terrace]

Also gotta do some serious dmg control 😭

[cunning gull]

do keep an eye on the bracket scores until few hrs until finalization

rn its a bit too early to judge

even though i doubt that more than 2 or so ppl will go for 800+ on this bracket

[vernal terrace]

I swear if I'm the only 800+ in the end

[cunning gull]

did you try testing dmg control on the other stages?

[vernal terrace]

Not yet on the frost stage

[cunning gull]

tbh since you didn't feel confident i would've tried testing ur dmg control on the other side stages just so you would know when to pause the game but dw its alright

but yeah seeing your boss score i don't think you need to do anymore to it

[vernal terrace]

He’s a pain in the ass anyways

[cunning gull]

its fine you're not meant to mald him with ur current strategy
although i wonder if you glitched on his map

[vernal terrace]

I haven't

[cunning gull]

damn

[vernal terrace]

Only bug I abused even accidentally was Sushi fast ult but now it's gone

[prisma olive]

Are the ELF Skills and Astral Ring separate or combined if paired with Part 2 valks?

[craggy plume]

Seperate only the astral ring buffs apply

[rigid cedar]

ELF skills are separate, only apply when astral ring is inactive

and the costs are definitely higher compared to the Astral Ring skills

so make sure you only upgrade what's actually useful and what covers your use cases

[cunning gull]

suggestion for

• a team for qua pig,
• third member for the paros team?
  im asking for MA ofc (also the p2 valks are 4/4)

i was thinking hle fws fdd and ps lp paws or hle fws paws and ps lp fdd but i cant decide or if theres a better lineup

[modern yew]

That bita is s0 or s2, u could try bita hofi vbm on qua pig, and have fdd be the 3rd paros team member

[cunning gull]

s0 vita

paws is s2 if this info is needed
rest are s0

[spiral raven]

id try paws dps, but either way fdd should be with paros

[cunning gull]

so paws horb ps for pig?

[spiral raven]

probs

[cunning gull]

alr if i can keep fdd on paros then i can do that boss next

[spiral raven]

beyond already mentioned would be doing something hle horb fdd, then u cook with badum lead with ps/paws

[cunning gull]

oh fws is better on pig? i wanted to keep fws on hle for better time on paros but if that works then ill def need to see a ref of it if i find one

[spiral raven]

nah fws is really good on paros, its just a "team" to use with, if u did wanted to just try everything for the sake of trying

[cunning gull]

ohh sure

ill have to see if i have enough for paros ig
since no chen

[rare iris]

chen urself

time to roll

[cunning gull]

sponsor me and ill do it

[dusky mantle]

almost forgot dailies

[native thorn]

Is getting Flawless Benediction worth it for HoH elysia? I already have her old signature weapon and stigma

[craggy plume]

If you want to use her as a p2 valk it is necessary and she has no meta usage outside of her p2 team.
In general I would not consider it a good idea just because new valks have priority over trying to make old valks work since their bosses rerun less and her performance isn't particularly great.

For her meta usage see the pinned post comparing in HoHe and HoTr in #👶beginner-help

[iron mesa]

For this abyss boss, how do you "Shatter the Specters"?

I see I'm suppose to use ignite trauma, but I don't seem to be infliicting very much.

nvm, I probably don't even need it

[rare iris]

||https://youtu.be/2RqkyVYUE2I ||:pepega:

[iron mesa]

yeah nvm

don't even have time to use it. It's much faster to ignore.

oh lel

[onyx swallow]

https://youtu.be/dkhPVx2MHJQ?si=i06sSveViSVh0Ew_

I know i made a lot of mistakes but she doesn't do reasonable dmg in a timeframe

Recording is much laggier than gameplay I am tryna change some settings to make it smoother without a single run being too big in storage

Thanks for help in advance and sorry you have to go through 5 fps video

[half hatch]

you could change your vbm rot a bit but idt that it would change a lot about the situation, sometimes you sadly just have to take the L
anyway regarding vbm your general rot would be
switch to vbm ( turn her qte off) jump -> ba -> wa, it's not game changing and wouldn't suddenly save you a lot of time but definitely avoids doing unecessary actions since you've done some WAs on VBM which where basically not needed

[onyx swallow]

Yea that's my usual rotation against the boss stages

So ig I'll take the L this time
Too many factors against me

Thanks for the help!

[eager smelt]

using basic will drop the buff to 15s instead of 30 no?

[open bone]

no

[crude cloak]

Check Tsio's 3pc

But you can just use WA before the jump to avoid that

[open bone]

oh tsoil buffs

yh mb

[craggy plume]

With only one symbiosis valk switch to HLE at the start and do her ult since else you are down 75 sp and need to basic a lot to get ult back @onyx swallow .

[onyx swallow]

I see
thanks for it

I'll give it one final try with all these info
Just for the crystals from missions atleast

[onyx swallow]

Wait is this for so?

[craggy plume]

Also only need to qte on HLE for buffs. ULT is for astral intensity
And yes this is for so

Looking at the skills again you may need to WA first to activate QTE then switch to HLE do her ultimate and tag out

[onyx swallow]

I was doing wa coz that was contributing decent dmg and then since wa provides time stop might as well ult for more dmg since paws dmg is well not really there for me

[open bone]

It’s a weapon thing anyway

With her weapon paws should be able to instant 3 SO with 1 symb support

But Wepless has even more sp issues

[onyx swallow]

Really regret not playing enough back then

Didn't think I would enjoy the abyss part this much

[onyx swallow]

Atk is also just 1k
Since I'm new, I lack a lot of Dkeys and weaponless is just less atk in general

[open bone]

Yeah that’s about damage

I mean about how when you click the stellar outburst button

You have 800 SP instead of 900

This is because paws weapon has

● If she is the leader, her initial max SP in Stellar Outburst increases by 10%.
On it

And tada the blow doesn’t

[onyx swallow]

Oh that's so neat

[craggy plume]

I have 270 overkill SP with PAWS here at least and with VBs weapon I have 110 overkill sp

She is just short actually with one symbiosis valk and weapon I had this issue when using her for bleed weather with SI for bleed

[open bone]

She needs a symbiosis + VBM

But not two symbiosis

Technically 2 RoO also works

If for some reason you’re stuck with that

What paws needs symbiosis supports for is to refresh SP for the second trio of ults in SO

[craggy plume]

Without weapon you don't have enough sp, which the situation we are in here so you need the refill before to get the first sequence of three ults since you only start with 800

[open bone]

Yep

[craggy ivy]

@weak drum hi ches

[open bone]

Ches slacc

[regal plume]

Where is the abbreviation index?

[spiral raven]

is pinned in beginner help

[rugged wedge]

is now a good time to return to hi3

[craggy plume]

What was the reason that you quit?

[rugged wedge]

couldnt rlly adjust to part 2

[craggy plume]

Issues with the story or something else?

For story questions it is better to ask #📚honkai-lore

[rugged wedge]

had troubles with getting gear and stigmatas

oh and the events that are way too long

[craggy plume]

I would consider it decently reliable to get gear at this point in my experience as without spending as you only need to skip once every 4th to 5th patch.

[eager dawn]

Who's the next best support for Coralie this cycle?

[craggy plume]

You have one option VBm, so it is very easy

Nothing else is RoO or PAWS

HoFi should technically be better but you don't have her

[open bone]

Hofi is only sometimes better than vbm anyway

[vernal terrace]

Slacking ches

[craggy plume]

Btw what would the expectation score-wise with SSS DS in Nirv be, assuming everyone is S0.
Want to know if I should just sleep and take the demotion or not slac.

[plucky gust]

freaking finally! litost mechanic at the start is soooo toxic

is there a trick to make it easier? i can only do it once every 10 tries or something

[open bone]

jump, jump, dodge

[plucky gust]

i can't do it - otherwise, my score drops. i need jump, ult, jump, dodge

[open bone]

sorry, who are you using?

what team with fdd

[craggy plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ8ZoFuQINo should have the p1 transition sequence.

[plucky gust]

fdd, paws, and the lighting girl. my brain forgot her name. . .

vita!

[craggy plume]

LP ULT shift to PAWS Jump PAWS ult jump, shift to LP, WA, dodge BA ULT QTE FDD enhanced WA ULT

[dusky mantle]

slaccers never die

[weak drum]

thx for sniping me

i thought i’d nirb but you helped

dun wanna nirb on qua shill

[craggy ivy]

Wdym snipe

[weak drum]

i miscalculated the sidestage score

[craggy ivy]

Oh wtf qua shill

[weak drum]

thats why i overshot and got into t3

[weak drum]

reso vita

im not dealing with that in nirb even if she’s not the worst qua boss

[dusty dagger]

Wtf happened to merry chesmas

[weak drum]

i saw a new trend

everyone is using a letter with smt mas in their name

[dusty dagger]

Wat

[weak drum]

also chesmas is a different thing from christmas so i cant use it when it’s nearing xmas

[weak drum]

@vernal terrace smt like this

[vernal terrace]

[steady osprey]

everywan a mas

[elfin parrot]

@neon kiln i want to move the discussion here since traffic is high in the other help channel right now

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

but look at the second link here for a list of missable crystals

[neon kiln]

Okay

[elfin parrot]

in the fourth row where it talks about abyss

there's a link on the right to a spreadsheet image

focus on the first two columns

https://i.imgur.com/UOrWvQG.png

you can see the difference in crystal income depending on how well you do per abyss cycle

sencho is getting 1280 crystals every week how? because they're in myriad top 50 every cycle. Abyss cycle happens twice a week.

generally we tell f2p players to aim for red lotus as a realistic goal

so that's still 1000 crystals every week

[neon kiln]

Whoever told me hi3 had the best rewards back in 2022 lied to me 💔

[neon kiln]

I see

[elfin parrot]

2022 is a very different time

but also hi3 is just a different game with a different balance and different economy

[neon kiln]

Yeah theres no 50/50

[elfin parrot]

anyway the main thing is don't neglect abyss. It's roughly up to half of your regular crystal income per week

[neon kiln]

Im a newb so i havent been struggling that much which crystals, 4 levels more and Ill reach elysian realm

[elfin parrot]

and while getting more crystals sounds nice, keep in mind you need to spend crystals to get meta valks too

so the proportion isn't really a profit if you don't like the meta valk

it's fine to settle for less if there's other things in the game you want to focus more on instead

but overall advice is generally meta by default since you get more this way

do you have any further questions about this concept?

[neon kiln]

Nope!

[elfin parrot]

so far i think you understand the income and way you compete against others in abyss (indirect pvp with highscores/fast clears)

but do you understand how abyss constantly changes every cycle and what it would need you to get to compete well?

[neon kiln]

Would i need like pt2 valks

I havent unerstood the meta completely

[elfin parrot]

by pt2 we really just mean astral ring in case you don't already know that

but yes they are the norm now

you can check the pins to get a quick glance at the boss schedule

https://i.imgur.com/C42xugT.png

and you'll see all of this

i'm not saying to understand it now

but just know there are many different cycles of abyss each emphasizing different kinds of teams

this is how hi3 keeps a wide cast meta/relevant

ideally we get every new release to handle all of these situations well

but obviously that's not reasonable for f2p

the main general idea is to save up crystals until you can afford both valk and her weapon

!faq rates

[night parcel]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

tldr 40k crystals is what i tell people to aim for to safely get a new valk and her weapon together

i already showed you the crystal faq but tldr on that is a f2p player can get a new release at worst every other patch

[neon kiln]

I really want miss love elf and her weapon, just got hohes DK

[elfin parrot]

more realistically you'll expect multiple patches and then a skip patch once in a while

[neon kiln]

after that idk who to pull for

[elfin parrot]

we can talk about that later but for now let's get the main idea first

[neon kiln]

[elfin parrot]

anyway a gacha signature weapon is very important because it's roughly

• 30 - 40% of the valk's personal damage. If you don't have it, you don't really main dps with them
• some valks have important functions on their signature weapons to make them play properly too. Lacking these can ruin them as supports too

the worst you can do for meta is to go through multiple patches of constantly getting valks without their weapons or vice versa. that just makes you a jack of many trades that can't do well in anything

so don't skip weapons. The only exception i will make is if you get an old valk for free. I rather you spend your crystals on new things that have probably more longevity. Keep in mind crystals are not infinite so we want to get the most out of them

for older stuff without weapons, we can still try to use them the best we can. (usually this means support where their personal damage don't matter as much)

does everything make sense so far?

[neon kiln]

Yes so dont pull chars like crazy uneless i am sure Ill get their weap?

[elfin parrot]

yeah

ok but on this note we can talk about another thing

again your crystals are not infinite. they are limited. Stuff in the meta only stay relevant for a limited period of time too.

As a result, we don't recommend pulling for anything past their release either

Not every valk stays in the meta equally but we cannot predict that

[stiff wigeon]

How do i quickly progress this achievement? The 96% one

[elfin parrot]

but generally speaking newer release are more likely to stay in the meta longer and hence a better use of crystals

[neon kiln]

me after getting hohes weapon bc cmon its ely 😿

[elfin parrot]

there's a fast one in kolosten that just needs to skip a cutscene to clear but that involves spending stamina

there are slower ones that don't cost stamina but i don't recall exactly where

maybe i can get back to this later

[stiff wigeon]

Kolosten?

[full trench]

that one will be meta relevant until eos in a way

[elfin parrot]

yeah so "backpulling" is kinda bad for all sorts of reasons. we can talk more about it later. Meta isn't everything either so it's fine for you to go after ely if that's what you like

[stiff wigeon]

Can you please specify where is that?

[craggy plume]

chapter 25-29

Thus spoke Apocalypse

[full trench]

not a good pull but if you actually wanted it for a good reason its your account

[neon kiln]

Would you consider the powercreep bad? I always see ppl talking abt that its bad and idk

[neon kiln]

i got her skin too😭 😭 not hard pity tho

[elfin parrot]

@neon kiln anyway tldr to be meta

• save crystals to safely afford valk and weapon together. as you said there's no 50/50. so it's very reasonable to plan for this
• focus only on latest releases (preferably early in the patch but for newer players, halfway is fine too). this is for longevity purposes
• don't pull on reruns or gacha astral ops or other non new valk+weapon things. your crystals are limited.

[elfin parrot]

there's alot of misconceptions about this

[full trench]

yeah i mean these pulls are bad but its up to you what you want to sacrifice for meta

[elfin parrot]

First of all I don't think hi3 is comparable to other games.
Loosely speaking things do stay around in the meta for roughly 2 years? Might be a bit different with astral ring now but it's too early to say.

Alot of people just come in and say "what i shouldn't roll for this valk last patch??? OMG POWERCREEP"
but hopefully by now you understand why i say to focus on the latest release. The recent release is still usable. It's just not the best option anymore

[stiff wigeon]

How much space does it take to download everything in hi3

[elfin parrot]

you've seen how abyss is like. No single valk or team will handle everything. You need many valks

[neon kiln]

I see then!! Tysm

[elfin parrot]

maybe ask in #🔌technical-help. i know there's a command for it but i don't recall it atm

[elfin parrot]

i'm not done yet sorry

another thing to keep in mind is that a valk's best use cases are numerous and many on release

but these ideal use cases starts to drop afterwards and becomes less and less common

so let's say we have paros boss which HLE dps is best at

and in the first few months we see it maybe 4-5 times. Lots of uses

give it a year from now and maybe paros will only show up once or twice per month

not as much. HLE is still best and is therefore meta

but obviously not as ideal to catch up on anymore

that's what we kinda call niche

a valk has many different use cases though. They can be a dps, support, be important for some specific utility like applying freeze status, etc etc

[neon kiln]

Lots of shilling as usual

[elfin parrot]

yeah

it's the hoyoverse. we know the M.O.

[elfin parrot]

but also alot of these roles can be shared across other valks too

astral ring has made things alot more balanced so missing one specific release may not be as bad

valks are still not equal though. There can still be bad valks or good ones to aim for, but it's not as extreme as it used to be

---

anyway the point with all this is, some people might say omg this valk can also do this? powercreep over this older option! unplayable!

and this can get very complicated because at a high enough level that might be true. It might be an actual replacement, but at a lower level the older option might still be fine enough

keep in mind abyss has many different divisions and it's fine to settle for less if meta isn't your cup of tea

[neon kiln]

i see

[elfin parrot]

hi3 is overall a dynamic game and there's many layers you can peel to suit a personal perspective/opinion or even your preference in playing it

in the future please don't mention leaks in any way, even if vaguely or at their existence. this is an official server

if you're not sure what is appropriate to bring up, stick with what's confirmed in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[stiff wigeon]

How much space does it take to download everything in hi3??

40gb?

[elfin parrot]

again this is prob more suited for #🔌technical-help

i don't know the answer offhand sorry

[neon kiln]

YKKK like i dont rlly wanna focus much on meta but at the same time i know its fundamental, ive always been a huge meta fan in games like i wanna pull for what i like but i dont wanna be lv80 or smth not being able to do endgame

[elfin parrot]

there's room to find your own balance overall. and the meta isn't profitable if you don't enjoy it.

anyway i think you have a decent idea of how the meta works and how powercreep and relevance can be like at this point

but should we also talk about how astral ring valks work?

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

i'll just tell you to start with the last link first

they're not intuitive but once you get the basic idea what to match what with, it's quite simple

and then from that point, it's about knowing the core gimmick of each leader ring type playstyle

which are the higher links

[neon kiln]

Okayy

[elfin parrot]

oh i never got back to this. Do we want to talk about this in any way in particular?

I think kanbaeru and I already addressed some points. If you like them enough it's still fine to get them since they have astral ring stuff. HLE is recent too.

Just keep in mind it's opportunity costs/trade offs/etc

with the crystals spent on them you could've been spending on something else, but again no point in being meta if you don't like it. Definitely focus on what you like

anyway if i need to explain anything further like what does HoHE and HLE do with astral ring stuff? or in what way is HoHE not so good now? you can ask

i have this list for hohe at least #👶beginner-help message

obviously what's done is already done. Focus more on how you can make the best use out of what you already have. In other words focus more on what you can do with HoHE now that you already have her

[gilded panther]

Hello, does anyone have advice on how I can get Miss Pink Elf past Inferno in Elysian Realm? I have her at Level 60, and do not have any of her gear (Would leveling her to 80 help?). I have Herrscher of Human Ego & Hi! Love Elf + all their gear, and most of the generic Stigmas and weapons.

[steady osprey]

try asking on #🎮honkai-chat

more ER player there

if u want my opinion u can use HLE bow with best physical stig u have. p2 stigs are mostly exclusive so try marco if u dont have anything better

[elfin parrot]

usually the main issue are the signet choices, so make sure to check pins for the ER guide on what to pick

you can ask if you have trouble reading it

!faq er guide

[night parcel]

Elysian Realm

I'm here to help, Captain!

Click here for signet guides!
-# Also see Shallow Sequence Tutorials here.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

!faq flamechaser

[night parcel]

Flamechasers and ER Signet Guides

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Elysian Realm Flamechasers guide!

Take note of their appearance, name, signet name and signet icon. Often beginners will get stuck trying to follow ER signet guides as they don't know who our Flamechasers are yet - and that's okay!

Ai-chan apologises if some icons are hard to see!

[elfin parrot]

eden1 means top nexus choice
eden2 means bottom neuxs choice

nexus means the special signet you get after getting your third regular signet from the specific character

btw ER max levels the valk and maxes their skills for the rank when you use them

no need to spend materials leveling or investing in their skills

[gilded panther]

Thanks I already know the basics

[elfin parrot]

you do need to spend mats on their gear though

[elfin parrot]

ok in that case tell us more about what kind of build you're using

what signets did you picked?

also maybe wait until you can get fragments from WT to reach S2 at least. Relatively speaking it's a notable point for MPE

anyway i still need to do my abyss run so maybe others here or in honkai chat can help you. I basically am only going to be checking the guide to make sure you're picking the correct ones

biggest thing i can say is get griseo's red paint

since mpe does weap active often and the red paint is a modifier that is unique out of all other modifiers in the signet pool

[gilded panther]

I copied the shallow sequence setup, so Helix 1, Bohdi 2, Discipline 2, plus Decimation 2, Deliverence 2. Gear wise I'm using lvl 50 Marco Polo (T, M, B) and Herrscher of Human Ego's Bow lvl 65.

[elfin parrot]

marco 3pc doesn't make sense. Drop b for attila B at least

what other phys stigs do you have

[pale musk]

What’s the better support elf for Fdd in this RL?
4 star Kian ELF
SSS DS or
S Teri

[steady osprey]

hle bow is better, hohe bow only give ice dmg

but just slightly better kewk

[pale musk]

Also, do the clones strike in the same direction during transition or are they different every time?

[elfin parrot]

does the guide really recommend bohdi2? usually it's bohdi1 lol

[steady osprey]

chenxue

clones converge toward the real listost

[elfin parrot]

transition is consistent but can be tight in timing depending on what you're trying to do

[pale musk]

Don’t have her.
I would have mentioned her if I had her

[steady osprey]

i got highest dmg with 4* kiaelf

[elfin parrot]

i'm not going to know tbh. Try them all out.

i assume p1 is outburst-less so DS might become notable that way

otherwise kiana elf

[gilded panther]

Sushang Peregrine Sword lvl 50, all Attila, all ryunosuke, all Theresa Origins, all Elizabeth bathory.

[steady osprey]

S teri lowest dmg btw, just some start ari

[pale musk]

Alright, ty

[pale musk]

Main problem is I want to ult with Vita during transistion but have enough so she doesn’t do the one where the big robot throws down the laser

[elfin parrot]

stick with marco TM attila b probably. Review your stig effects otherwise

Crit is a weird topic in ER since you don't really have other sources of it (less diluted but also you may not crit as much?)

prism stigmata are very hyper specific for the intended holder. PS also buffs bleed which isn't relevant. (at least for the B piece which is the main non set we are swapping around)

[steady osprey]

last basic only slow u down. if u can skip it its good

[gilded panther]

Gotch, I'll go Marco TM, Atilla B, and use Hi! Love Elf's weapon. Does that sound about right?

[elfin parrot]

yeah

inferno is a big jump from shroud, and the current stage effects may not be the most suitable for HLE btw. There's no rush to do this now either. You may opt to wait until we get a new phys valk release where the stage effects may more suit phys stuff

but inferno is still low relatively speaking

[gilded panther]

Thanks. It's a bit of a challenge, lol.

[steady osprey]

make sure u dont choose alien mother as last boss

[gilded panther]

Sure, any particular reason why?

[steady osprey]

that boss is for shilling sd valk (hle)

non-sd valks will have hard time with it

well, normally we still crush it in no time but consider ur situation lets not make it harder

[gilded panther]

Gotcha, will do!

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/bQ8ZoFuQINo?si=nMIBdmAUZBcO-Do5 Is the fdd atk sequence in p1 in the first group the strongest or are there other sequences? Like, I’ve seen basic attack seq>enhanced wep> basic atk seq>ult> enhanced wep> repeat but idk if that’s better or not

[hearty yacht]

it can depend on the rot in which order they use their skills since some abilities will have time stop, and others will be stronger/weaker if they need a bit more damage/want to avoid overkilling

[ocean jewel]

What does do I use for HLE

[hearty yacht]

are you familiar with how p2 teambuilding works btw?

[ocean jewel]

Vaguely but not completely

[hearty yacht]

short answer: you dont really have any proper supports for hle
the main issue is that her ring (grail of infinitude or goi for short) requires units with the symbiosis trait to support her
you lack units of that trait

for now you can use vbm and dsa (I believe she can apply her elemental breach regardless) as her supports during her dps weathers

there is also a budget team ref in #👶beginner-help pins that you can use to understand how to play without symbiosis units on the team (though that ref uses rc instead)

[ocean jewel]

Noted

Who are her real supports though

[half hatch]

dsa non WoD breach only counts for valks that are WS

tbf they're probably better of running hle as a ws support

[hearty yacht]

it depends on the weather, but generally speaking fdd + symbiosis trait support (usually fws or horb in ma)
though I will inform you its not worth backpulling any of these units as you will eventually find different use cases

[hearty yacht]

hence why I clarified the "hle dps weathers" in my original message

[ocean jewel]

Who's FDD

[hearty yacht]

well at least sena has a lot of elemental damage buffs to cope with

[ocean jewel]

And FWS

[hearty yacht]

!faq glossary

[night parcel]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[hearty yacht]

fdd - fate defying dragon coralie
fws - fiery wishing star kiana

[ocean jewel]

Aren't those two dpses

[hearty yacht]

all p2 units are both dps and support

[ocean jewel]

So what exactly do those traits you mentioned do

[ocean jewel]

Goi and symbiosis

[hearty yacht]

goi is the ring itself that hle uses

symbiosis is the tag associated with the goi ring

when you use a p2 unit as the leader, you will notice a big blue button appear on your screen

that button activates stellar outburst, and depending which ring your leader has, the effects of that outburst will change

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[hearty yacht]

!faq goi

[night parcel]

Astral Ring Specialization - Grail of Infinitude

Allow me to explain, Captain!

The "Grail of Infinitude" Astral Ring Specialization revolves around the team sharing SP in Stellar Outburst. Valkyries with this Specialization have the ability to consume huge amounts of SP to deal damage.

Valkyiries with the "Symbiosis" tag can support them by greatly boosting max SP, generating large amounts of SP for the shared SP pool, and their ult cost will be 0 in Stellar Outburst which leaves more SP in the pool for the leader to consume.

During Stellar Outburst, consuming SP will generate "Shining Trace" reaching a certain amount of Shining Trace will give you a stack of "Facet of Infinitude" which gives teamwide buffs. You can observe your amount of Shining Trace by looking for a white glow around your SP bar. Valkyries with the Symbiosis tag additionally provide "Shining trace" with their first ult during SO.

Examples:

• Grail of Infinitude Specialization:
  • Planar Armament: Warped Spacetime
  • Hi ♪ Love Elf ❤︎
• Has "Symbiosis":
  • Peregrine Sword
  • Ba-Dum! Fiery Wishing Star
  • Behold! Fate-Defying Dragon

[hearty yacht]

ingame you can also check what ring a unit has, and who has the traits associated with it

also im just noticing your hohe has her dkey

[ocean jewel]

Yeah

[hearty yacht]

then you would use hohe and vbm instead as supports

mb I didnt notice earlier, me blind

[ocean jewel]

So is it only symbiosis that works for her

[hearty yacht]

if she is DPSing then yes

it depends on the ring type of the leader (leader being the dps in p2)

so if you were using senadina as a dps for example, she has the world star ring and needs supports who have the domain resonance tag

tl;dr p2 teambuilding is about matching support tags to the ring type of the leader

[ocean jewel]

I see

So what does HLE offer as a support

[elfin parrot]

can you tell us what kind of tags you see on her?

[pale musk]

I see, ty

[elfin parrot]

there are some more specific things we can talk about that separates HLE from other similar supports that you're possibly looking for

but it's important to cover the general ideas first

[ocean jewel]

Domain Resonance and Harmonized Shadow Star

[hearty yacht]

it depends if you are asking about general buffs or special mechanics associated with her

[elfin parrot]

there's one more

[ocean jewel]

Symbiosis

[elfin parrot]

yup those three. So she can support any of those three teams she matches with

[ocean jewel]

Both actually

[ocean jewel]

Yeah but I'm asking about what the first 2 even do lol

[elfin parrot]

that's the main idea. The next thing to mainly know about is that every p2 valk in battle generally has a primary way to buff. Usually it comes from their stigmata 3pc effect (sometimes it might be from ult too or other additional minor ways too)

[hearty yacht]

general buffs are listed on your stigmatas
you see the part that says "characters with 'heart's splendor': "

[elfin parrot]

we'll get to that but again main ideas first

because these happen regardless of what kind of team you're using her in

[finite barn]

do you mean what ring they match up with or something else

[elfin parrot]

i think daniel is asking what she does in those teams

[hearty yacht]

basically any additional bonuses you get from your stigmata, when you do a specific action which is listed in your 3pc effect, will be given to your other units as well
there are more buffs listed in the 2pc/3pc sections but the idea remains the same

[ocean jewel]

Ah

[ocean jewel]

Like what the purpose of those two ring types are

[elfin parrot]

anyway let's move on to something more specific

so these ring types are mainly playstyles of the team

you often would desire a specific valk as a dps bercause their properties counters the enemy you're looking to fight

but if you're using them as a leader then you need to abide by their ring type playstyle

so if i'm using senadina who is world star, when she enters outbursts mode, the team will start placing down markers that gets popped for huge damage

but these markers won't show up for a different ring type

for a different leader ring type, it might be a different method. Let's say grail. That ring type is all about building up sp to do ults alot

we're about to talk about HLE next for each of these ring types. are things making sense so far?

[ocean jewel]

Yep

[elfin parrot]

so the reason why matching the tag is so important is because the valk with the matching tag will provide actual core mechanics to that ring type's playstyle.

If you bring any other valk into a world star ring type, they won't place down or interact with the markers. However HLE's role is that she can pop existing marks on the field (6 times iirc)

[finite barn]

world star/domain resonance - puts down resonance marks, you mash atk (usually) to make the marks pop and deal damage
wheel of destiny/harmonized shadow star - turn your 2nd and 3rd slot valks into helpers during stellar outburst that get summoned as shadows to do damage/buff your leader's dps
law of ascension/heavenly shift - qte go brrr
grail of infinitude/symbiosis - get extra sp and regen big chunks of it to chain a bunch of ults together to charge up your ult usage bar and do big dmg

rite of oblivion is weird and idk how to describe it

[elfin parrot]

tbh we do have further links in the ring faq that goes into detail of each of them

but i'm more trying to cover how HLE acts in these teams

so for a wheel of destiny team, HLE as a shadow star support will be called as a phantom when you press her "swap" button during outburst

rondo is important because it provides you with a duration of enhanced effects (mainly increased meter refill generally speaking)

normally with any other valk, this rondo duration is super short. HLE as a shadow star support makes this longer

[ocean jewel]

Meter as in the astral ring gauge?

Or something else

[elfin parrot]

no. I mean kinetic energy meter if i have to put it generically (KE)

but the meter that many valks have above their hp meter

that builds up to be consumed or drained completely to do stronger or entirely different attacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY29GwyXS9o quick example i have handy

[ocean jewel]

Oh you mean that meter

Like HOHE's bar during ult right

[elfin parrot]

look at how thelema has 6 bars in her meter (for her kit they are called banquets. They fill to unleash an attack called Moment of Indulgence or MoI)

yeah

in outburst during rondo she restores 2 instead of 1 per full attack

Hohe meter in rondo restores more rapidly

that's the main thing to think about. there may be other effects

and ring types do have more gimmicks than just outburst. Wheel of destiny valks share stellar drains for example so you don't need to swap as much, but for now just trying to give you the main idea

[ocean jewel]

This answers my initial question about how the tags work quite well actually, at least the basics

[elfin parrot]

let's talk about symbiosis. In grail outburst the sp bar is team shared. The major thing about symbiosis is you restore alot more sp with them.

again there's other things too like ults of supports can reset the leader's swap cd and force QTE

[finite barn]

sairaan you should use your prof powers to pull up the faq

[elfin parrot]

it's already up earlier but ok

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

it's a screen clear for each of these so i'm not going to call all of them

what i'm doing for now is really just trying to cover the introductory idea

[finite barn]

oh was it lol didnt see

[strange urchin]

what is the pull pity for the game?

[elfin parrot]

there's one more thing i want to talk about for HLE as a support. I said earlier that HLE has specific aspects that separates her from other similar valks

[finite barn]

90 for valk guarantee, 60 for weapon guarantee

[elfin parrot]

because really if we only care about HLE as domain resonance, shadow star, etc then why wouldn't we use other valks with those tags?

[strange urchin]

is there 50/50?

[finite barn]

no

also weapons are important do not neglect weapons

[strange urchin]

so there is no "std pool" in this game?

[finite barn]

a valk without a weapon is basically only half a valk

[finite barn]

no, the only s rank you can get on a featured banner is the featured s rank

there's the dorm banner which i guess is kind of a ""standard"" banner but its all quite old valks and you should never spend crystals to pull on that

[elfin parrot]

and the practical reality is, yeah we don't always have to care. P2 is pretty balanced that alot of recent options are very similar in performance (i can give some data for this later)

• at a high enough level, even minor differences or difference in animations can be important though

However for HLE there can be specific gimmicks that makes her more viable than others in specific scenarios

• she has SD type and have special interactions with SD enemies
  • if you don't know SD enemies, please check out the SD tutorial in tactics class. I can link a further write up i wrote too
  • all SD valks can gather SD shards on the field. HLE does so with BA4 or WA
  • HLE's full charge ult can force trigger critical thresholds in SD enemy hp bars
• HLE also can freeze enemies with her various attacks

[ocean jewel]

Yeah I know how SD works I was still very active at that time

I stopped playing sometime around 7.5

[elfin parrot]

ah ok

[ocean jewel]

Then went on and off but didn't actually pull for many characters

Just Sena, Sparkle, and now HLE

ANd HoHe Dkey too

[elfin parrot]

https://youtu.be/fQOWnRJuE3c?t=333

beta info so it's prob different by now but

https://i.imgur.com/vI8AL7D.png

you can see HLE isn't too different from others

[ocean jewel]

Yeah

[elfin parrot]

going to dig up some real examples of HLE support cases if you want that

[ocean jewel]

Yeah sure

Though can't say how applicable it'll be to me given how few P2 valks I have

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnTleCnXdg HLE for freeze (thelema can work here too)

i just consider these ideas foundational

i don't expect it to be put into practice right now

but down the line these are the things to think about if you have HLE and are using her in various ways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZPgHkiaKEA note the SD mobs at the start which encouraged HLE support

[ocean jewel]

I see

So given the valks I have am I better off using HLE as a support or can she still be a viable dps?

[elfin parrot]

in your case for now...

• HLE grail leader
  • HoHE symbiosis support
  • VBm Coralie RoO support (no symbiosis but you at least get leader skill activation from this > higher max sp > higher %sp regain)
  • HLE is quite special as a grail leader. She can dip into negative sp. This team should be able to do her full outburst rot despite having only one symbiosis support
• HoHE Wheel of Destiny Leader
  • HLE shadow star support (longer rondo effect)
  • VBm RoO support (again leader skill activation)
  • Wheel of destiny generally only needs one long rondo to cover the full outburst rotation. Hohe kinda has leftover time too so you should be able to do her full sequence if necessary.
  • edit: This is getting more technical HoHE might be a bit awkward since she kinda prefers to split her attack cycles evenly. You might opt to interrupt her attack sequence or suffer a bit of slow meter build up. The consequences might be slightly less damage, more time taken, or less ARI refund after the ult finisher.

[strange urchin]

Is the current banners good?

[elfin parrot]

!faq pull

[night parcel]

Pulling Priority

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the pulling priority for this patch!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

no. Save for next patch.

[elfin parrot]

edited in a technical bit

[ocean jewel]

If I use HoHE as leader then is Sena a better valk here than VBM like in the video you showed me or is that context dependent

[elfin parrot]

oh. yeah use sena for sure since she has a matching tag

[ocean jewel]

Cause I do have her 4/4

[elfin parrot]

yeah i'm blind. forget about VBm for WoD

[ocean jewel]

That's twice now that people didn't see all the valks in that screenshot lmao

[elfin parrot]

yeah lol. prof moment

sena is a bit weird. You don't really need to swap to her. She already buffs from being off field

• do not swap to her before the fight starts before the enemy spawns. you can lose a buff this way
• her buff is mainly breach and elemental weapon actives
  • the breach for WoD only refreshes from outburst iirc
• you can still opt to swap to her to drop a quick ult and then swap to someone else
  • can turn off her own QTE for this

for sena dps you can use HLE and either VBm or VBs (helia)

On paper Helia sounds nicer since sena mark + helia mark > HLE detonation. But helia is also less priority to build and maybe doesn't have her weapon

VBm runs into an awkward scenario where sena's mark only pops a limited amount of times, but VBM and HLE together pops too much. In such cases, just pop as much as sena allows, then go back to sena for the remaining duration. (you still have outburst only buffs active to take advantage of)

[ocean jewel]

I see

[ocean jewel]

So what's the answer to this

[elfin parrot]

hopefully you realize now that despite having so little p2 valks, you can still do alot from having enough of them

just changing the leader can lead to many teams

[ocean jewel]

Yeah I'm seeing that, very interesting sstuff

[elfin parrot]

situational overall

there are abyss cycles that emphasizes a particular ring type

like literally shadow star weather

resonance weather for world star

extreme weather for GoI

there are also weathers that may want a particular damage element, or enemies that you can counter directly (especially SD vs SD)

the game has many angles to emphasize different teams

so i can show you something like ice up weather with rpc. This is a mech enemy

or maybe lightning weather guaymas (SD enemy)

there can be weird times where a very old valk suitable to the scenario can lose out to a not as suitable newer one too. Keep in mind how much the weather bonus is, or how much a type counter bonus is.

[ocean jewel]

Yeah

So as usual, It Depends™

[elfin parrot]

as for HLE as a dps, i already said she should be very functional and can access her full outburst rot

[ocean jewel]

Oh yeah about that negative SP

Does it stay negative or reset to 0 after outburst

[elfin parrot]

normally for newer players who don't have much, the lack of proper tags will force them into very awkward situations until they get more stuff later

it resets in some way but i don't remember

this is because after outburst her weapon active also refreshes

and the WA with her signature weapon gives her sp

so we outburst end > WA > full ult

so there's prob a technical answer but the practical answer is just we restore it lol

[ocean jewel]

I've been here since July 2021, I only really took a long ass break because I saw that we moved away from the main trio and these newer valks were taking over and I didn't feel like playing story, which resulted in me not pulling newer units and getting burnt out after a while

[elfin parrot]

yeah i do remember you actually

[ocean jewel]

I definitely remember you

You had a yellow name before though

[elfin parrot]

we talked about MPE before against jizo

oh the gradient name is still functionally yellow

it's just discord made things fancier

[ocean jewel]

Yeah back when I didn't give a damn about meta and just wanted to use my favs lol

Nothing much has changed actually LMAO

[hearty yacht]

prof role used to be yellow yes

-# before the homu shit

[elfin parrot]

yeah. it's still fine to stay non meta

or just find your own balance of meta and non meta

[ocean jewel]

That's typically what I like doing, I never go for top, only as high as I can make myself reach

[elfin parrot]

but anyway i don't always give this level of detail. I just recognize you do handle them well and seem to want them

[ocean jewel]

Yeah I love detail and this was surprisingly easier to absorb than I thought it would be

Cause another thing that lead to my break was the overly wordy kits

[elfin parrot]

yeah p2 is not intuitive but is simple once you get the main idea

yeah understandable. We can help with that if you are ever lost but do make an attempt to at least explore the tactics class tutorials to get a visual idea

reading the kit a bit would be nice but we do understand the state of things right now and how ridiculous it is

i don't read everything either

[ocean jewel]

I'll try

[elfin parrot]

alot of how i learn to understand the game is a mix of all this and looking up high level play too

every action tends to have a purpose

[ocean jewel]

Funnily enough I only logged in today to decide if I was gonna uninstall to make space on my ipad, guess I'm keeping it a while longer though

Damn gachas eat storage

[hearty yacht]

btw unironically, you can learn a valk's kit through watching refs

[elfin parrot]

hi3 does have way to remove assets like story from the game if you need more space. you prob already know

don't be afraid to critically look at a game and decide if you need to tone it down or quite entirely too. HI3 demands alot if you do everything but you can really cut down alot of it too

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

mainly i recommend doing stuff early in the second link

so abyss, elysian realm

maybe dailies and memorial arena clears

[ocean jewel]

How come

[elfin parrot]

they're the most crystal rewarding activities for the week

[ocean jewel]

I see

Oh 15 more days until 1200 damn

[elfin parrot]

events give a decent amount too but also tend to take too much time so don't do them if you're not interested in the activity and don't want anything else (beware sometimes there are free costumes)

events also tend to be daily gated so you may not always be able to rush them in one day near the end of their period

[ocean jewel]

Yeah that's honestly my least favorite part of HI3

I play all 4 Hoyogames and I almost always do events last minute

[elfin parrot]

it's definitely a common heartbreak

generally speaking i would try to allot 10-15 days before an event ends

for the current events, you can mostly rush them all in one day though but they're alot to do

the main thing that you can't rush are the daily pvp clears in the yippee bejeweled event

but that's not major

anyway i digress

welcome back. Feel free to ask for anything else

[ocean jewel]

Holy fuck just cut 14 GB

Thanks

[elfin parrot]

👏

[ocean jewel]

Oh yeah one more thing

Should I just not try to pull HLE's actual support valks or what

[elfin parrot]

you have enough to make her largely functional already and you said yourself you're not really top meta. I rather you focus more on what you like and maybe down the line some valk with symbiosis will overlap that way

if you're interested in actual top potential of HLE then that's a different rabbit hole, and possibly wasteful given the time it takes to reach it. You might not be able to appreciate it for long even if you reach it. It also goes wide because not all situations will use the same stuff

[hearty yacht]

To add to sairaan newer valks will be prioritised in abyss through shill anyways, by the time you get those hle supports she might no longer see dps weathers like now

[ocean jewel]

Ah right

This game has a massive powercreep problem

[elfin parrot]

saying powercreep is a bit inaccurate

valks do generally retain use for a long time. It's just that as more things dilute into the pool, it gets less and less relevant

[ocean jewel]

Well back when I was consistently playing and before P2 it was worse

[elfin parrot]

an actual replacement may not happen until years later

the general idea isn't too different from back then actually

but certainly having matching things in the team was more critical and punishing back then

things are more flexible now to soften that

[ocean jewel]

Yeah

[hearty yacht]

Power creep existed more in p1 when valks were either dps or support and directly replaced after a few patches

In p2, valks last a couple of patches as dps (patches being longer now) and retain usage through supportive roles for longer
If we saw p2 valks before 8.1 last 1-2 years, now that patches are longer p2 valks will definitely be relevant for 2 years on average specualtively speaking

[ocean jewel]

Oh

Right how long are the patches now

[elfin parrot]

i don't think they were directly replaced in a few patches. Usually it was ~2 years back then lol

[ocean jewel]

I'm wayyy out of touch

[hearty yacht]

8-10 weeks

[ocean jewel]

Damn

[hearty yacht]

I mean the idea is still there

[ocean jewel]

I mean it's more like there was always a stronger valk than the one you just pulled back then

[elfin parrot]

not all valks were equal though. SpA was like 1.5 years (sirin) while CE was weird and didn't entirely replace GD for LV dps lol

[ocean jewel]

It was annoying for someone like me who never pulled meta

[elfin parrot]

this is why the advice back then and now has always been to focus on latest release

but yeah

[ocean jewel]

I pulled like every 2 or 3 patches back then so I was always always behind

[hearty yacht]

I mean ye, you kind of were forced to pull for sp units only if f2p

[elfin parrot]

we never recommend reruns back then or even now for such reasons

[hearty yacht]

Dps pulls were too volatile to recommend

[elfin parrot]

there can be controversial cases before and now too but anyway i think we get the idea

[hearty yacht]

Dkeys usually being the main factor

[ocean jewel]

Yeah

[elfin parrot]

it's just when you think of power creep you usually think of direct replacements (HoT > LV) so i just wanted to clarify for the channel

[hearty yacht]

Or get completely scammed like sirin weapon in 60

[weak drum]

only needed 20 for her weap and i still felt scammed

[ocean jewel]

Forgot I'm in Sinful

[finite barn]

is the opening of this abyss for the fdd paws lp team one that require helia weapon or am i just hands issue

i do not understand how people are getting the second jump evade after helia ult

[rare iris]

Just position on the corners above

Jump and Ult at 998, mash the jump again before you switch

[dusky mantle]

i mean, i just dont do WA lel

[finite barn]

i mean for the time freeze thing idk how that works in abyss

i guess it doesnt matter