ai-feedback-discussion

[viscid heron]

Oh really? Inbetween restart or right after one?

[high thunder]

i saw a herd of dibbles, rex attacked and killed a few, then shortly after that another herd appeared.. couldn't tell ya a timeframe but it couldn't have been longer than 20-30 min maybe? no restart involved

[viscid heron]

Huh.. Interesting. I was on HTEU4 and not a single dibble ai for hours.. I did see 1 rotten corpse and a bunch of deer and boar but my rex is sub and require a LOT of food. I had to log before starvation

[high thunder]

their ai system seems to need a total rework imo

[viscid heron]

Well I cant figure out if you need to hang around in the same area for a bit to make stuff spawn OR it is a certain number of people in same spot force ai respawn?

[high thunder]

seems random and broken - they need to have static spawn points on a timer like WoW and other games do it

they already have that for plants, just do the same with animals

[viscid heron]

With bigger carnivores added, I dont mind dynamic spawns per se, BUT up the scale a bit!

[uneven pebble]

genuine question are fish spawns just straight up disabled or am i just so unlucky as deino rn

[agile flicker]

The fish ai is broken atm

[uneven pebble]

oh dw i know as much
im just wondering if they ever do spawn :3

[marsh creek]

pisses me off how poorly them manage the ai like legit waste of days playing the game when u keep dying to starvation because there is legit 0 ai

[weary forge]

sooo like do turtles not spawn anymore or what

[viscid heron]

Vet exakt feelingen

[marsh creek]

kommer fkn crasha ut asså

[viscid heron]

Ska in och köra på min rex strax. Eu4

[marsh creek]

samma hahaha

[viscid heron]

Ingamename ifall du e friendly? Kanske springer på dig

[marsh creek]

cera gamer

[viscid heron]

heter du så eller kör du cera?

[marsh creek]

heter så

[random vortex]

@marsh creek@viscid heronPlease use English when talking in the discord as per rule 7 in #rules-and-info

[fair lintel]

@random vortex Please spawn ai on the servers if ud like continue having players on instead of dying to hunger infinity times

[random vortex]

Thats not something I nor any of the Server admins can do, sorry

[fair lintel]

aight, i thought some of the developers were in this server, since its the official isle server mb

[fallow spoke]

They are, but outside of Punch it is against the rules to ping them. AI cant be "spawned in" i dont think, they only spawn on restart or based on nearby players, that is one of the things they are testing in the hordetest among other things.

[strong wasp]

this trash devs dont play their game or what, AI is so bad u try to bite a boar as newspawn u die, u lost it because it out stams you or you dont find any

[eager pivot]

so we agree that other than north delta the ai are pretty bad?

hord

[pearl tapir]

how is highland or is it bad aswell?

[eager pivot]

High land spawns nun but like 2 or 3 gallie I haven’t seen a goat all hard test keep in mind. I’ve been playing on NA 3 so I don’t know if it’s different for other servers I think AI should be spawning in every major area, but it seems like they don’t spawn or if they do spawn they just wander away. I think they should make more noise for us to hear and they should stay in their zones. they spawn in so if they spawn in your patrol zone, they should stay there if they spawn in your migration zone, they should stay thereand wander around that area because I genuinely don’t find AI anywhere else but Delta, I can barely find turtles like I said I’ve only seen a total of zero goat it’s just all around a hard time everywhere else and I don’t see any of the other AI anywhere else, but Delta at least a few hours after the server starts they start disappearing when the server starts. They’re all there.

Except for Highlands, I still have yet to see it go even after the restart I’ve seen Galli, but nothing else

[pearl tapir]

hmm interesting, and pz mz is fine on NA 3? we don't even have those in NA 4 lol

[lusty dagger]

I need someone to explain to me why AI playables are even remotely a good idea

[onyx orchid]

free food

[lusty dagger]

Easy food, too easy

[onyx orchid]

but its okay for herbivores to all the free food? only thing they need to change with the ai is make them spawn around the map instead of just delta so rexs cant camp the spawns

[lusty dagger]

Players should have to fight other players to access organs, not just have it handed to them

[onyx orchid]

u can still die to the ai.... its not like they dont fight back

[lusty dagger]

If players can rely entirely on AI for food, they won’t hunt herbi players, then herbis will have nothing to do

[onyx orchid]

not like a baby rex can go kill a fg dibble and get organs

[lusty dagger]

You die to them if you’re incompetent, I still have yet to see amarok make ai that isn’t easy to exploit

[onyx orchid]

im sure there will still be plenty of fighting happening between herbis and carnis. this is the isle lol

sounds like all the herbi players wanna complain when something good happens for carnis

[lusty dagger]

And the main problem isn’t food access to carnivores, the dibble ai make it hard to form groups for dibble players, cause now they gotta check them all

[onyx orchid]

if u cant tell its ai then u are a noob

[lusty dagger]

I’m talking about all the broadcasts they hear

[onyx orchid]

even then... u go look and u can see its ai. go on about ur day

its not gonna ruin the game lol

i play carni and herbi, the ai is perfect for the bigger dinos like rex and deino

[lusty dagger]

Herbi gameplay is boring as is, no matter what people are playing, they want combat, when carnivores don’t have to fight herbis, they got nothing to do

[onyx orchid]

there will still be fights tho lol. ur acting like with there being ai, all carnis are gonna ignore real players

[lusty dagger]

Yes… it is, the more the devs steer away from player interaction, one of the main things the isle has going for it, the more boring the experience becomes

[onyx orchid]

if u think its gonna ruin the game then idk what to tell u. you obv only play 1 species of dino

[lusty dagger]

The point is carnivores CAN ignore herbi players, and if they can, some if not most will, therefore less player on player interaction

[lusty dagger]

I one of the few who will play Dryo bro

[onyx orchid]

that explains a lot

so much player interaction with dryo lol

[lusty dagger]

Yea, that’s why it sucks

[onyx orchid]

ur complaing about dibble ai but you play dryo...

whats ur main dino?

[lusty dagger]

I don’t have a main, I play them all

[onyx orchid]

only thing i can agree with is the dibble ai are a lil broken rn. spawning all in 1 place in packs of 7. if they spread out the spawns and maybe make them spawn in packs of 1-3. but i 100% think ai dino's is a good choice. when u are a 9.5 ton deino. it can be hard to find food

[lusty dagger]

Add more aquatic ai like bigger fish, not dibbles. And better yet, alter the map design to accommodate deino better like what spiro did. Make all waterways more interconnected and easier for deino to traverse so there isn’t so many safe drinking spots

[onyx orchid]

that would be really nice but you gotta think. this is the isle, they prob just working with what they got

[lusty dagger]

Elaborate what you mean on this specific topic, “working with what they got”

[onyx orchid]

like the models of the dino's

[lusty dagger]

They have models for Cory and Styraco, turn those into ai exclusives

Easy

[onyx orchid]

yea that would be cool as well tbh. but im sure they plan to make those playable eventually. dondi has had plans for ai dinos for awhile now

[lusty dagger]

“It’s been the plan for a while” won’t stop me from saying it’s a bad plan

Cause it’s a VERY bad plan

[onyx orchid]

i could be wrong. but im pretty sure dondi has said this isn't a pvp game lol. and from what i've heard its hard to change his mind

[lusty dagger]

Yea which is why I have no idea what the devs are going for with this game. For example, if pvp is not important, why is the goal for the elder system to “make the strongest dinosaurs”

[onyx orchid]

i wish i had the answers lol, i really dont mind the ai dinos just for the fact its a big food source for bigger carnis. if they could make them some species thats not playable, i would be all for it. i think it could be a good place holder for now until they maybe find certains dinos they would want to be ai exclusive

[pearl tapir]

we got fish in mudpits thats new feature

[lusty dagger]

Bruh

[onyx orchid]

ik pt's can get clams from mud pits. didnt know fish too lol

[fossil patrol]

Please put fish back in, elite fish etc.

Please put fish back in, elite fish etc.

[lusty dagger]

AI as a whole is fine, and yes there should be bigger ai species for larger carnivores. But they shouldn’t be species that are also playable, they should be dedicated ai species, water buffalo for example

[fringe summit]

is ai buged or sum? been running for 1hr and havent seen a single boar

[onyx orchid]

yea im all for that 100% i can see how some people dont like the ai dino's so hopefully they come up with dino's just for ai, cause the big carni's def need it.

[lusty dagger]

Main branch or hoardetest?

[fringe summit]

hoardetest

but its a ai enabled serv

[lusty dagger]

Not sure tbh, I’ve seen more deer than boar

[pearl tapir]

no please bigger aquatic food not just land

where are the giant sea turtles

or some big fish at least, elite fish are medium size

[eager pivot]

Because it brings hope and more food options for carnivores, who are too big to just survive off of bore, and when herbivore players mix heard or mix pack or just outright hide you can’t find any food so of course it’s a good idea for example. Two gigs kill an AI brachiosaurus and don’t finish the body. Do you know how much food that would provide for so many different people

[lusty dagger]

Again, there should be dedicated ai species, not AI that are also playable species. Are people not reading my post?

I’m not saying AI as a whole is bad, just that there needs to be dedicated ai species

[eager pivot]

No, I read it. I just don’t believe in that because why I make it one species when we’re playing a dinosaur game I barely see people playing track as is. I barely find Myers. I barely find any other herbivores and when I do find y’all y’all are all in one giant group

It doesn’t need to be some specific species and it also makes it easier on the devs for them to just make dibbles AI and then transfer that over to other things like like trike

It’s not gonna hurt anything. It just gives us more food options when Herbies have literally everything in the book.

[lusty dagger]

You’re right in that being an issue, but this is the wrong solution. You don’t see anyone playing herbivores?? Why aren’t they playing them??

[lusty dagger]

They have a Styraco model, they could easily plug in the dibble animations. And have you seen the size of the planned roster?? I don’t think they care about having a few extra species

[lusty dagger]

Yes, it absolutely will hurt. This is an online game, and people play it for player on player interaction. When they don’t need to interact with other players, it defeats the purpose of the game, and these interactions get sidelined. At that rate just make the isle a single player game

If the isle had more to do outside of combat or chatting or forming groups and such, then maybe it’d be less of a big deal. But unfortunately the gameplay outside of these factors is just a walking simulator

[eager pivot]

Something else to add to that is if you add a dedicated species that’s not gonna feed everybody not all players are gonna be able to take down a dedicated species. Every Dino is different for example if it was trike and yeah, if people aren’t gonna play them. Then they need to make AI for them cause you’re never gonna see them. And you say what you’re saying, like people don’t play this game for the realistic aspect of it as well. People literally team with herbivores and carnivores you have crocodiles letting people swim across to beat you in this game is at its core. just a survival game it’s fair for anybody and especially for solo players

It is not gonna affect the gameplay at all when I can go to a 200 pop community server that has official stats and everything and I can eat AI in peace and fight another 200 people it just adds to the game

There’s a reason people don’t play on no AI servers because they can’t get fed enough and with bigger creatures coming and it’s harder and harder to catch other players they need other options or they just starve

[lusty dagger]

Then FIX. THE. PLAYABLE! Give people a reason to play them! Not just make them boring or crappy and just expect AI to solve the problem. It’s like slapping a bandaid on a severed limb.
And I’m not saying people play it for the realistic aspect, I’ve been playing it for four years, ofc I know that. Im not talking about that, I’m talking about promoting player on player interaction

[lusty dagger]

Yea, and you’re not reliant on other players, and when players don’t rely on each other to enhance the experience, the experience becomes hollow

Then it’s just eat ai, then find more ai and eat it. It’s essentially the herbivore experience but slightly less dull

[summer bane]

iirc the AI was originally intended to be adaptive; when more players were on there would be less AI and when there are less players on then more AI would spawn

[lusty dagger]

I think that’s more a rumor among the community rather than a legitimate statement by the devs, correct me if I’m wrong

[eager pivot]

The aisle has a very wide range of community. A lot of people do like herbivores, but some people don’t and that’s a big majority of younger people as well. Yes, they still need to fix the playable, but it’s not like the herbivores are broken. If anything, the carnivores are more broken, then most of the herbivores All adding AI playable does if anything is give you more interaction with other players and PVP because if I killed an AI that was big enough to feed my adult Rex I’m more than likely gonna attract other players to that body if I don’t finish it. And as stealthy just said that’s another point that I forgot to even think about it’s not like they’re just always spawning half of the time. I don’t see AI the only place I can consistently find them is in Delta on NA three hord but even if it is, that’s a plain way for them to fix it and make it to where there’s not as much AI but either way that doesn’t change the fact that bigger carnivores are gonna starve then because you can’t survive off of just deer we need big AI playables you can’t just think about small tear players I’ve done my fair share of both. You can survive off a deer and crap as a small tier, but oh no an adult Rex you’re not doing that and if you do, you’re gonna be malnutrition versus being able to find a herd or loan AI and like I said it’s not like you don’t find players it’s just when you find players on official servers they’re usually teaming up or overpack to all hell you expect me to go run up to six strikes and say this is the experience I’ve been waiting for and die after I just grew for eight hours HELL NO

I would be tight

My fault you don’t gotta read all that I’m speaking to my Siri

[lusty dagger]

Again…. Again again again…. Dedicated ai species, not ai dibbles, or tenos, or Gallis, or Omnis, or carnos, or Rexes. Rexes need ai to sustain themselves??? Yes.. I agree, but implement a different species that’s dibble sized, but not dibble itself. Cause then dibbles are gonna struggle more than anyone else on forming herds with actual players.

[eager pivot]

They won’t if u can’t tell that it’s ai then u just slow fr not u but whoever can’t it’s not hard they don’t spawn every where we also have discord we have a chat. There’s plenty of ways to team up with other doubles if people are actually even playing them in the first place, but if there are, it’s not hard to team up, it doesn’t take away from other devils being able to find dibble and like I said before that’s extra work for the devs when they could be doing other things that means they would have to model a whole new dinosaur that’s around that size and bring it to the game when they can just do that way later when they have time and don’t need to do it

But either way, I understand what you’re saying but at the same time it really doesn’t make sense. It’s just extra work. It doesn’t matter if the model changes it still provides the same thing and if you’re one of those dinos and you think an AI is a player and it’s still not talking to you and just grunting and crap moving in circles then you need help

I am not opposed to it, but either way it’s still AI Dios at the end of the day you just want them to change the models

They might in the future

[lusty dagger]

If I have to rely on discord to form groups, then the isle has failed on game design.

[eager pivot]

But I fr doubt and you do as a carnivore you can’t really coordinate hunt and most people don’t even wanna talk back to you in game because everybody who plays is just antisocial

That doesn’t mean that the games failed it just means that the people who actually want to team up or somewhere where you have access

[lusty dagger]

I don’t care if it’s extra work, and the devs don’t seem to care either cause they claim that they wanna go above and beyond in this genre. They don’t get to have the excuse to be lazy

[eager pivot]

It’s not really about it being above and beyond it’s more so that why would they work on something completely unnecessary when they have the tools and models to just add them to the game now and work on it later everybody else I’ve talked to about it in calls, loves the AI

Not the spawns, but they love the fact that there’s AI dinos

[lusty dagger]

The you haven’t played enough, you said yourself there’s a variety of people playing this game, and I’ve encountered my fair share of group mates that were great at teamwork

[eager pivot]

It’s not really a big problem that needs to be changed at this moment I’ve been playing since progression. I played better in a call. Doesn’t mean I haven’t been playing long enough and still doesn’t mean that they need to change the AI.

[lusty dagger]

They have a Styraco model. They can slap the dibble animations onto it, program it exactly the same way, but just ai and with different sound. Easy, now it’s doing ai dibbles job, and dibble players don’t need to confuse it for other dibbles

[eager pivot]

I get that the doves can do more at times and it seems like they don’t do anything here and there, but this isn’t one of those things that 100% need changed it down the line he wanted an AI Rex and you’re telling him to change the models how is he gonna put in his that’s stuff and who said that was done, they’ve just shown us things for it. They haven’t said it was finished at least not that I was aware of and what happens when that becomes a player you’re gonna want them to change that too.

[eager pivot]

There’s no point they can just add another AI for starico and make it spawn in Highlands with galley and crap what you’re saying is making them go through and do more work that they don’t have to do. They can just add more but that’s not what you want so if you don’t want them to add more, but you want them to change it to another skin it can’t be something that’s already planned for the aisle, which means that they have to make a whole new thing.

Whatever bro GG’s I given in but I stand on my point about them, not needing to change the models because if they change it to a different one, they have eventually with your logic they’re gonna have to change it again versus just adding another one. It’s not like the spawns have to be crazy abundant but good luck on your growth and make good things come to you in aisle and the Tiso reaper‘s name I pray. Amen.

[lusty dagger]

Look I can barely understand your writing, can you please fix the grammar errors?

[lusty dagger]

Yes, I am asking the devs to do whatever they can to allow players to tell ai apart from other players.

Is that too much to ask???

[eager pivot]

I’m sorry it’s the Siri I’m talking and I’m just not reading it

[eager pivot]

It’s not really too much to ask no I’m not saying that it’s just it’s not hard to tell them apart. I can tell if it’s a player or another dibble and that would go the same for any other AI but I get what you’re trying to say and like I said they can change that later but it’s not something that needs changed right now

[lusty dagger]

#general-feedback message
read this

[lusty dagger]

And what if a player is pretending to be ai? Legitimate exploitative strategy when it’s a thing

[onyx orchid]

"No AI servers? Adult rexes are rare and impressive" cause its no ai lol

[eager pivot]

Straight cannibalism

[onyx orchid]

yall got too much faith. what dondi wants, is what is gonna happen. imo all the herbi players just mad carnis get sum free food now

[eager pivot]

And that is a serious problem. I think a simple fix would to be make AI spawn in different migration zones not just one cause right now on NA3 I only find them for real at Delta so that way it spreads people out but also lower the spawn because right now I only found AI in one area but I feel like it’s too abundant in one area if you actually had to go out more and look for food there’s more chance of dying and all that stuff in my eyesthat might not be the case but that’s another situation entirely. They can’t get rid of AI that’s not happening so

Us as a community have to think of something else, but when not enough people are playing the food options you don’t have an option in having AI you need to have that turned on or else people will starve and not ever get diet

Think about if they didn’t have those AI now there wouldn’t be really any Rex’s, except for a few, which is good, of course, but that makes it really hard for you to grow which it should be, but it shouldn’t be impossible to keep yourself fed now I think they shouldn’t spawn in herds of like six like they do I think they should only spawn in her at like two or three so basically like a pair

I could agree with you on that

[lusty dagger]

I’m not gonna be forced to like it. Dondi likes using the “if you don’t like it, then leave” kinda attitude. The same kind of attitude that tends to bite people back

[eager pivot]

I definitely get what you’re saying. I’m not talking about what you’re writing now but earlier about wanting them to add more. And I just wanted to let you know I’m not trying to like disclaim anything you’re saying I’m just giving you a counter argument, but I do agree eventually it needs to be changed in some way shape or form but if it doesn’t, it doesn’t hurt anything either at least the way I’m seeing it but you’re not wrong in anywayI’m just telling you it from a point of view that it would just take a lot more time and it’s something that they kinda need in this test

[lusty dagger]

Honestly might make a video about this at some point

[eager pivot]

Do it ain’t nun wrong everything has been brought up is valid. Only thing like I said is you have to figure out how you’re gonna do it for the people who need those AI but if you have an idea than go for it

[lusty dagger]

I already have ideas for it. The first being the dedicated ai species again, could easily be certain dinosaurs, but could also be something like water buffalo, big, but not huge ai, barely enough to sustain a rex and still incentivizes them to hunt other players for better nutrients.
The second is a better migration system, which I created a whole new concept for.

Migration as it currently stands is very unreliable

[eager pivot]

now this i agree with in my eyes it should not be multiple just one or 2 that switch and it would kinda forc player intraction and pz im not to sure what they do for carni anyway

[lusty dagger]

There should only be 3 herbivore migrations active at a time, all zones evenly distributed around the map. All herbivores are split evenly into each zone, meaning each zone consists of multiple species

And all players should have indicators of some kind to gauge when each rotation will occur

[abstract river]

how the ai spawn ?

[eager pivot]

THATS valid caps. but idk if this was the thought but dinos like teno should have a main diet in swamp so u acttualy find them in the place there supposed to be but for this they would need special regen specfic plants and some ones that we have could still work

[lusty dagger]

Few details I should also mention in this concept

• Patrol zones are removed (potentially replaced with a new system centered around burrowers)
• All three active migration zones are around the size of swamp (if swamp is an active zone, it consists of the entire biome)
• In the species viewer, carnivores can see which zone each herbi species on their diet is directed to
• If a zone contains no players of one species, then carnivores with that species on their diet will not be directed to the zone, even though they can see where they should be in the species viewer
• Excluding aquatic AI, AI as a whole spawn more frequently in active migration zones. You can still find them outside of the zone, but you have far better odds within a zone

[eager pivot]

i like that thats a good idea but what did u mean by burrowers for the pz? everything else is good i would like it not to take me there especially if there is no food there but thats debatable since sum people will think its cheap

[lusty dagger]

I think burrowers should be capable of creating their own zones

Wherever they want

[eager pivot]

That’s ok but we need pz for bigger Dino’s to patrol if I go there on Rex and only find small burrowing Dino’s I would just starve that’s ok to add as an added zone but pz needs to just be tweaked to show where the closest abundance of food on my diet is but only if it’s there so that makes herbies keep moving and stay on the look out with that adding more fun to there game play. And giving us actual direction to food if we good enough to catch them or take it down

It’s should be a wide area like swamp or whatever biome they are in but it would give u more direct access tword food

[lusty dagger]

Burrow patrols would spawn plants for herbivores to eat

[eager pivot]

That is nice but then we just have the problem of being directed to a place as carnivorous where there might be nobody or nobody playing burrowers it’s fine for burrowers to be able to pull up mushrooms or sum for adults in there area to give even more enticement for herbs to go there but pz need to stay in as a direct compass to an area with food on your diet as it is now I feel like they just have a set place but sometimes no food

[lusty dagger]

Burrow patrols are only activated by burrowers, meaning if a patrol exists. There has to be burrowers within it

[lusty dagger]

Patrol zones as they currently stand do not do their job, they make it way too easy to afk grow, and they only change after logging out

[pearl tapir]

NA4 east horde test you cannot grow a herbi, no pz/mz and no plants spawning anywhere.

And people wondering why its all carnivores, the only herbis ive seen other than AI was babies in sanct and now I know why they are stuck as babies.

[sullen igloo]

thats because NA4 has pz/mz disabled

it has since trike ht

[wheat wharf]

so ai is still bugged? even on officials?

[pearl tapir]

No plants spawn anywhere not just pz mz

So plants are just off along with pz/mz

[fringe summit]

In all hordetest?

Or just na4?

[dreamy bane]

Plz fix ai. Most rivers dint have any fish… swamp has no fish. Playing deino very hard. North lake had great amounts of fish thank you!!

Water access needs love and the rivers going south.

[wheat wharf]

classic 3 months of suffering

still no fix

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-gif-8037867084437657439

Afterthought when you ask them about not fixing AI after 3 months

[eager pivot]

in officals as far as ik the land ai are good

[wheat wharf]

even fish ai?

[eager pivot]

no they been bugged thats why i dont play deno no more unless u go to a community and they turn up spawns

[eager pivot]

there is plenty of community servers that are really good that u can join that have good ai but on offical the fish are still hard to find

[wheat wharf]

i usually play on petits, but over there its bugged aswell

[eager pivot]

im not sure fish might just be broken but land ai are fine u just might be out of luck if thats what u want to play sum that need fish

but on hord i swear ai only spawn on one side of the map idk whats that about but idk if they broke it more or what

[wheat wharf]

yea i wanted to grow a deino for quit some time now

but not possible obviously

[pearl tapir]

na 4 only

#ai-feedback message

I believe the AI is falling through the floor, it is spawning whatever cap they have and eventually all the AI fall down to the depths of the underworld. My buddy witnessed entire herd of dibbies fall through the ground.

I heard the dibbies, but the dibbies were never to be seen again.

Even the rexes were stumped

[cerulean verge]

Did they fix ai fish on HT

[warm pollen]

something is wrong withh all AI on HT. AI is respawning only after server restart and maybe after one hour they stop respawning..

[warm pollen]

i was 40 min on HIGHLANDS AI didnt respawn once... i have all recorded, i died bc of that from starvation on my 90% prime elder Rex.... great gameplay..

[pearl tapir]

people log off cause AI is broken, only way to stay alive unless u go canni other rexes or find players

AI spawns work, though some AI have been seen to fall off the map and those add to the AI spawn cap

Eventually till the end of restart most AI probably not spawning cause of this

They are all underground

[pale urchin]

yeah i'm a fully grown deino, heading up to you know where via saltwater, and literally no turtles or crabs lol

[somber gull]

AI IS SO BROKEN PLEASE FIX,
They spawn off cliffs, run away right off the map everyone is literally starving please dev acknowledge this issue and give some information

[warm pollen]

we need update about AI its so bad... everyone starving on map... even with other herbis after one kill i was hardly to find one deer which is 2% of hunger for prime rex.. PLS DO SOMETHING ITS UNPLAYEBALE EVEN FOR SMALLER DINOS

[somber gull]

Couldn’t agree more hello developers please let us know this is heard please

[unique geyser]

is there a join code

[thorny dragon]

Not sure what you mean

[warm pollen]

PLS WE NEED MANUAL RESTART OF SERVERS THERE IS NO AI WE ALL STARVING TO DEATH (HORDETEST)

or someone know how to crash server? XDDD

[hallow wing]

xd

[somber gull]

@blazing rose Hey boss sorry to bother you but is there any formal acknowledgment on the AI not working correctly? On hordetest**

[fading patrol]

This is the third time in a row i've starved to death.. there is simply no AI anywhere.. this much more frustrating than being eaten by a croc

i would actually be happy about a regular server crash 😄

[somber gull]

Switched to No AI way better herbie n carnivore balance having more fun in 2 hours then all week not just a million cannibalism Rex’s

[fringe summit]

How u grow if there’s no ai

[somber gull]

Hunt herbies hahaha

[fading patrol]

i set an alarm for the server restart so i can eat...

had 0% food, was almost dead and now im on a perfect diet

[glad panther]

I think AI is broke on both horde and offical right?

[green lantern]

It's not broken, there's no AI by design

[pearl tapir]

it's broken, AI spawns a lot in the beginning and stops near restart. So near the end you have to kill players for food, that's the design....?

when AI fall through the map they never die and never respawn

[green lantern]

I say it's not broken and it's by design because the first 2 days of HT there was a tonne of AI. They made a change and suddenly they're gone. It's been this way for years. If it was a genuine problem they wanted to fix it would be fixed by now

[pearl tapir]

you can watch AI fall through the ground, they dont despawn they just stay there. Sure maybe they have the AI spawns taper off at the end, but it's more like the same spawn cap and spawn rate they just fall off the map.

same happens on unofficial servers that have spawn rate increased, the spawns taper off eventually. And there are multiple witnesses to the AI falling off the map

if you want to grow, this basically means you can't or at least without having to scavange food

[pearl tapir]

if its not broken can you link some devblog or comments from devs saying this spawwn rate is intentional

then they can pin it and people can look at their design choice

and complain as they should

[green lantern]

You see my point though? It's been broken for years. At this point there is 2 possibilities:

1. They are unable to fix it
2. They don't want to fix it

[warm pollen]

what ar u talking about... im playing for a long time in the isle.. im checking this game after every update.. there was a lot of bugs with AI they went even invisible and all that stuff.. but broo they never be broken that bad. Its better for now to play on NO AI servers.. at least ppl picking fights not just running. And they added Rex so economy of AI is changed now. BIG Rex can get fill only with dinosaurs AI like Dibbles bc deer giving him around 2% of food. NOW ITS BROKEN NOT ONLY BC BUGGED RESPAWNS ITS BROKEN BC OF THIS ECONOMY.

[winter laurel]

3rd possibility: they reintroduce older bugs or new bugs with similar symptoms when they add new code to the AI system.

"AI not spawning" can be a symptom of many different kinds of problems. Invisible AI, AI falling through the map, AI actually not spawning, AI spawning in the wrong places, AI spawning as the wrong thing, etc

[oak wadi]

the cause of extintion for the deino

[distant lark]

were all the fish hahaha

[pearl tapir]

Maybe both, they should fix it. No excuses not too except they don't want to.

[distant lark]

Can we plz have the ai fish fix in au3

[distant lark]

get to 95% an then died as there is nooooooo fish

[pastel brook]

play HT

fish are fixed there

[pearl tapir]

give us fish from 6 months ago, at least they spawned

[fringe summit]

Si they didn’t fox ai on their last patch? Like cmon that’s the only thing we asked for

[distant lark]

Au hord testing needs ai badly

[tall kindle]

is ai even in the game?💀 i havent seen a boar, chicken or anything in a loooong time

[pearl tapir]

It's safe to say Fish AI or almost any aquatic AI is a rare sight like Prime Deino

Land AI I've only seen taper off near end of restart

Fish AI is constantly nonexistent

[silver raven]

@final skiff
Turkeys can replace chicken, not dryos
A turkey is like 5-7 kg
A dryo is 120 kg, so the equivalent of 22 turkeys

[final skiff]

A full grown turkey is at least the size of a sub adult Dryo in game, based on human structures (AI Dino’s don’t need to be full grown, tbh), and they’re probably only lighter because wild turkeys can actually fly pretty well (they sleep way up in trees). Besides that, I was kinda leaning toward Island Gigantism, that phenomenon that has historically made a LOT of birds way bigger and heavier, at the cost of becoming flightless (Dodo, Red Rail, Kakapo, etc…). The few birds that fit that category that haven’t gone extinct either had a lot of human help, or followed the Kiwi school of thought: KICK EVERYTHING.

IRL turkeys don’t live on any islands that I know of, so on Gateway they would either need to be introduced (like the chickens) or an island species that could easily be a gut kicking giant.

Weight doesn’t really matter for as much for AI anyhow, and the chickens on Gateway are way too small of a breed to be replaced by turkeys, and unlike wild turkeys, which always live in groups, the Gateway chickens are weirdly solitary.

Also, chickens don’t need to be replaced, but players have voiced concerns about AI versions of playable animals being confusing in game, especially if you are playing as that animal.

Those lobby couches are a bit small, but here. Couch turkeys.

I’ve only seen AI Dibble in game, but they were moving in similar formation, a roughly circular group of maybe five or so. Wild turkeys are browsers too. They sweep through tall grass and wildflowers in a wide formation to scarf down every bug they can find, then scatter into trees when danger is detected by part of the group. They even have distinct calls for different threats (a different sound for a Hawk vs a a snake, since some snakes are on the menu for a turkey, but a hawk is always bad news).

If they went for lighter, flying turkeys, it’d add something for Herera to hunt (provided they are less alert in trees and/or at night), while Flightless Giant Turkeys could help every carnivore from Carno to sub adult Rex.

[silver raven]

Weight matters a lot actually
A 100kg rooster is just impossible, even wild

[sullen igloo]

nothing is impossible with modern day steroids!

[final skiff]

I mean mechanically, in game. It’s just health and what you can or can’t lift. Not a big deal if a turkey was unrealistically heavy, given how fish and Dactyls are so odd in game.

Birds will always be WAY lighter than dinosaurs, even if the same size.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_birds

Found a neat page that’s relevant to the discussion. Apparently if you wanted a 100kg bird, you’d have to scale all the way up to an Ostrich. The heaviest bird they have listed was an Elephant Bird that only weighed half a ton.

[silver raven]

I know

[fading patrol]

Has there actually been any feedback from the developers regarding the AI spawn issue?
At the moment, playing as a carnivore feels very unsatisfying.

Surviving as an adult/elder is only possible shortly after a server restart. Growing at all takes ages because the diets are so bad. Every death is incredibly frustrating. If food availability/growth rate were okay, then “riskier” playstyles would also feel much smoother. Right now, the game just doesn’t feel good… the missing AI is really awful.

[lofty marten]

Have they fixed the Fish AI spawns yet?

[upbeat lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-eye-roll-laughing-shirley-temple-giggle-gif-17181590118317460873

[lofty marten]

excuse me?

That wasnt a joke

wtf is up yo butt

[upbeat lantern]

Relax boy it’s second degree, it’s serious to get angry about a game 😂😮‍💨

[lofty marten]

Im not even playing a game?

I asked a question.......

and you gave me a dumb reaction

[upbeat lantern]

At no time do I disrespect you by answering your question you have to calm down 😅 I just answered you with humor you could also have or don’t say anything.
humor is not given to everyone…😬

[final skiff]

Not yet. I’ve seen a few spawns in HT, and a strange bug when connecting to servers, like they’re in the fish zone somewhere.

I don’t have good footage of it, but basically every time I manage to connect to a HT server, the camera starts out in a mysterious underwater space, and on servers with AI there are fish there, moving CRAZY fast and barely visible (squint and you can see a lil catfish real close to the camera there).

They are the small catfish models that school, not the big catfish that eat Beipi players.

[lofty marten]

Okay ty. One day we'll get there.... 🤞

[final skiff]

One day we’ll find it. The rainbow connection. The lovers, the dreamers, and me. La da da de da da dum

[pearl tapir]

#ai-feedback message

easy fix is to make AI actually fight properly. Why is pig the most dangerous because it has 360 aoe hit. They can make AI alt bite and actually fight to the death and only give up when death is imminent.

Deinos are finally thriving with dibbie ais that rexes cant gatekeep and swim, and you want to take them away. You can grow a 12 ton herbivore and not starve cause you eat grass all day bro give up on trying to stump carnivore players.

All they need to do is make AI somewhat working and defend themselves. Pig is the only one Ive seen who attacks but acts werid most of the time anyway. Just simple, AI will always defend itself under attack until it is red health etc...

[pale urchin]

yeah the boars seemingly killing my sub dinos without an animation is broken, but funny

[glad hollow]

hackers in eu4 playing as dilo again, killing players every day now

[thorny dragon]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[mystic plinth]

is there just no way to escape the fish when they grab you

[soft nymph]

Relog

[silver raven]

@strange gorge Even better yet : Just remove them

[broken stirrup]

bro there are no AI on ht na4 like wtf

[jagged summit]

#ai-feedback message
Why would a giant crocodilian be sustaining itself off of fish?

[lethal smelt]

@unreal mango I'm ded, that's the funniest bug video I've seen in a long time

[mental badger]

It should be at least enough to keep you from starving imo. But the PvP should always be food source no. 1 for the Deino if u ask me

[unreal mango]

I should've put Yakety Sax to play 'cause it'd be super fitting

[little pewter]

The lack of AI is spoiling this game, the main reason why i bought this game is due to being able to play as a croc. in the beginning it was an awesome experience know its becoming a swimming and a starving sim.... and know the devs are busy with new Dino's but you cant even fix the AI problem...come on guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[granite smelt]

#ai-feedback message if you've been growing for 10/hrs & or are past juvenile growth stage then AI shouldn't sustain you

[fallow spoke]

If there are too many rexes its not an AI problem at that point imo more will have to resort to cannibalism to survive until the ecosystem balances out

[pearl tapir]

ya grass shouldnt sustain ur 10+ton herbivore either. Stop making carnvores starve if herbis can never starve, some bias right there...

not to mention the fact that your plants will spawn all over the map regardless of pz while land AI and mostly fish are near nonexistent near end of restart.

[pearl tapir]

fish has been broken for 6 months, if they haven't 'fixed' or changed fish spawns by now, safe to say they wont do it anytime soon....

you have to live off dibbies or other players, thats your two choices...

there was a time(6 months ago) where certain areas could sustain multiple crocs with just elite fish, long gone are those days.

[granite smelt]

I don't really play herbis, but I don't think grazing is a problem in itself; rather, grass never depleting is a problem

[pearl tapir]

because they do in real life as well, they dont care how small the food is... though irl there is a lot more fishes to sustain a giant crocdile so we can go that route too but yall seem to think AI cannot be a food source while plants is plentiful lol.

[pearl tapir]

plants never deplete either, you will never starve or run out of food... what do you usually play..?

[granite smelt]

Deino...

[pearl tapir]

ya even if you made grass disappear there is so much of it, it wont matter anyway

[silver raven]

@somber pollen The big packs of rexes everywhere are the reason why you cannot find AI

[signal sphinx]

The real thing with me is, rex barerly have any hunger. but crocs that in real life can eat once a month. is losing food pretty rapidly. rex also have access to the diablo spawn location. i had to travel this far a croc to see my first turtle.... and yesterday evening at west rail, the turtle spawn just stopped. 5 rexes literally left the area and i logged out on 1.6% food.

[jagged summit]

We dont have giant crocodilians irl

[silver raven]

Um Godzilla ?

[jagged summit]

What the flip

[silver raven]

Are you denying that Godzilla is giant ?

Are you that out of touch with reality ?

[pearl tapir]

the relative size of salt-water crocodiles to the food they eat is good reference, you don't need to bring back an 8-15ton gator to understand how they used to live when we have their subspeices.

[pearl tapir]

with current fish spawns, if you dont get lucky and find them as a baby. You will starve as baby lol.

Ive sat at North lake, swamps, river delta for a whole day as baby and no fish spawn, I end up starving losing diet and nothing spawns(fish).

[signal sphinx]

If you look above you will see my picture of where i saw my first turtle. they really need to fix this asap. i am considering putting the game on the shelf until they do to be honest 😅 .

[onyx sable]

#ai-feedback message

@weak hollow you shouldn’t survive off of ai as a 72% deino in the first place

[signal sphinx]

Yes you should be allowed to survive off AI as a deino, just like the other dinos. in fact the other carnis even get Diet from their AI. Also you really cant hunt anything before 65%+ you weight less than a ton at 50%. around 64-65% you weigh around 3 ton. and can grab some creatures. however then the issue is 20+ safe drinking spots. we cant survive in the ponds, because no AI. So we are forced to cannibalize eachother in the Delta.

[pastel brook]

8T croc wants to eat ai for its life

no

straight up

deino has the biteforce at around 65% to kill stuff

not by drowning just by bite bite bite

and deino aint even meant for small ponds tbh

its meant for the rivers

best way to make it so other playables like rex to not live off ai is by you guessed it removing the problematic ai

[signal sphinx]

I could not kill a swimming rex that was 50-55%(fresh sub) with 6-7 Alt bites at 64% growth ,so no if you dont grab them at land or in the water. they will get away. And people dont even have to go swimming in the first place. or even drink at rivers, with all the ponds. "straight up". rex weighs 3tonnes at 50%. deinos weigh around 3 tonnes at 65% and below a ton at 50%. then from 65%-75% you increase with 5 tonnes. you think that is balanced?. and the stuff that goes and drinks consistently at rivers is literally stego,trike,and rex( i dont think we should be able to grab them). all who can defeat deinosuchus. and even if a carno decides to go for a swim, it wont be nearly enough food. Crocs in real life have to eat once a month pretty much. the food% is dropping way to fast. And i am forced to pretty much kill every deino i see or starve. Some kind of adjustment or buff is in need, not necessarily AI. 340 players servers, it is very possible without, killing every deino i see . But on 100 pop server on current Hordetest the turtle spawns are messed up and i can no longer travel to the ponds in the south, and go to the beaches at night to get a turtle or two.

You go after deinos which probably have one of the lowest survival chances. while herbis can sit in a patrol zone for 6hours in a gigantic bush. To be fair, now the small herbis are moving around more to get prime,and the big ones run around while juvi and then in and out of a bush for 4 hours.

[pastel brook]

for one

deino aint even meant to go after rex

for two

it cant of been 3tons

[signal sphinx]

What do you mean rexes are 3 tonnes at 50%

[pastel brook]

Ik

also I have never said rex is balanced

deino just kinda needs some sort of skimming

I dunno

but a rex nor a deino should be able to live off ai at that size

[signal sphinx]

Okay but how are we supposed to survive then? players have brains. there are several bridges, and safe crossing spots in the delta. on a rare occasion a 60% ish carno swims across, but the food is not enough.

[pastel brook]

like my friend got a deino to full grown on no ai (before fish were added) no canniing either

and I am easily able to reach adult without it\

ive always liked the idea of making juvie deinos more land baseed so they can go up on land and hunt and scavenge (like kaprosuchus)

and ways to make safe drinking spots not exist is make it size based

so a hypsi can drink from a puddle while a teno will have to go drink at a river

we are getting new deino stuff so id like to see how that plays out

[signal sphinx]

like i dont think players should get AI that gives them Diet, i think incetivize looking for prey. HOWEVER, i think we should be all allowed to thrive like on 0% growth rate increase. but atleast not lose all our time spent because players are not moving around, just because herbis are waiting to grow in a bush😂 .

I saw a video of a prime deino. he kills a 75%+ deino and eats him and he does not even get 33% food....

I think slowing down the decrease in food, could be a key aswell. But you have to agree that the deino weight increase does not make any sense at all. 50% less than a ton,

[pastel brook]

herbis waiting in bushes wont happen with elder

which is good

[pastel brook]

oh yeah

they could make it so whatever movespeed you are moving at will make you food drain faster or slower

[fallow spoke]

@vocal willow that's a fan made website (if that was a critique on the website itself) the devs aren't the ones behind it insofar as I'm aware

[outer prism]

I think AI needs to be detectable by scent. herbivores can smell fruit attached to trees somehow. carnivores should be able to smell live animals. make it a range, where it basically points me in a general direction like i can only smell it in the distance like 50-200 meters. doesn't need to be exact location. then when less than 50 meters, the player has to use vision and hearing.

[vocal willow]

this is a very good idea, adding AI to the smell would solve many problems

[frail parcel]

I think the devs should add ai to the game. Would be a huge improvement.

[pallid frost]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fix the fished on Official servers there is LITERALLY NO more fishes since the last update! Please fix this. Everything I like to play needs to eat fish and I die of starvation the entire time PLEASE I BEG YOU GUYS!! This made me so negative about the game 🙁 and its sad cause I like the game but this just makes it a bad experience for me 🙁

[pastel brook]

@sullen igloo its removed im sorry..

im sorry sammy dondi said...

[sullen igloo]

NO

[errant anvil]

Is it possible to apply the systems already used to show damage to playable dinos, to a.i boar deer etc.. so the player has a more immersive hunting experience?

[plain mural]

nah that's wild, made a huge piece of feedback just for it to get blocked by a single word that shouldn't be blocked, amazing there goes a whole 6 hours of cooldown

[ashen field]

Awhhh

Yes

[pearl tapir]

#ai-feedback message you cannot trust vulnona cause that is old map, they probably removed spawns or moved them(mostly removed).

[plain mural]

I'll try to cover elite fish another day I guess 😭

[unreal galleon]

Just wondering, when you are a juvi rex and you get hit by a boar, is it normal to lose a ton of bite force by like 20%?

[knotty steeple]

When youre low hp you become weaker, nothing to do with the boar

[unreal galleon]

Oh, okay... I didnt know that

[knotty steeple]

You live and learn😄

[fallow spoke]

#ai-feedback message

Hypsis can stay in sanctuaries. But why stay there when troodon one shots it and its safer in the trees.

[silver raven]

This is why designing herbivores as food for carnivores doesn't work

[fallow spoke]

Agreed. It's not fun to "be food" the entire point of the playing the game is to survive

[misty jackal]

☝🏼this☝🏼

[stoic slate]

+1 increase all ai spawns, across the board, make it interesting.

[jagged warren]

When you start looking into the numbers and how the game was growing, was up got 14k players, Lost almost 1/3 of the players gained, nearly 4k players 25% of the players base. disappeared from a terrible update making it nearly unplayable. there have been countless comments/threads about this, month after month, people are begging for a hot fix. official servers? nearly empty aside from the same 6 servers. I Don't post often and also don't think I'm all that smart, but every degree of measurement tells me that this game is going backwards.... losing players, Devs literally not listening.... we're all gamers and played games for a length of time, we've seen busted things in games get fixed in varying degrees of speed... how does something that is CRIPPLING your game, not being resolved? Hell it doesn't even get discussed. I've said it before and never got an answer, DO the developers ACTUALLY play their own game? cause I'm not thinking ANY of them actually do

[fiery ledge]

who dislikes the idea that schooling fish should be on deinos diet ? You spawn in at 16kg, perfect fish for such a small thing… or if not schooling fish than different ai should be added like snapping turtles or mud craps for swamp are 🤌🤌🤌

[strange tide]

fr idk what people are on about, they obviously NEVER played deino

hunger

[fiery ledge]

Yea man Idk really…make it make sense in this disaster they call game…6months now still no hot fix for elite fish…at least put schooling fish on the diet than

[strange tide]

elite fish either never spawn or 5 at once bugged to the edge of the swamp

[fiery ledge]

exactly and even IF you find a fish you are way to small to kill it anyway so basicly you gotta scavange as an apex hunter 😂 ridiculous

such a shame man

[winter laurel]

Honestly schooling fish should probably be temporarily on their diet (like how herbis temporarily have sanctuary shrooms on their diet). Once they get big enough, there should be an expectation of them catching their food or starving. But at 16kg they're really too small to do that.

[pearl tapir]

it is on the diet if you rot them... but ya deino's diet should be updated

[fiery ledge]

Really ?

[fiery ledge]

Yea exactly carnis dont have this simple option like herbis do.

[pearl tapir]

You can eat anything if it’s rotten and it will be diet.

So glad they didn’t make Rex a scavenger like Deino and Cerato otherwise the entire map would be cleaned out…

[plain mural]

simplified my suggestion so everyone can understand. and so the bot doesn't block it...

[fiery ledge]

Yeah i found out today thanks for the info 🙂

[mental badger]

Fix👏 the👏god 👏 damn👏 fish

I beg you

[hasty citrus]

Damn no turtles?

[grim swallow]

Wow boars be trading damage when i charge them (new spawn carno)

[crisp sonnet]

boar are kinda busted

[distant lark]

<@&579345586965446657> can we plz get the Ai fish fixed in Au3 plz

[pastel brook]

they cant summon fish

and its not just a single server

public branch has had issues with fish AI

[distant lark]

well surely the ai spawn right can be tweaked right so make the timer of when they pop up in point a,b,c etc faster

[pastel brook]

its fine on HT

[distant lark]

yeah i bet it is but not on norms

[pastel brook]

its just they dont want to update live branch as its on a older engine meaning if they change something it will break ALOT on the hordetest

[distant lark]

ohhhhhh okay that makes a lot sense

well why cant we get more announcement's of whats going on atm as everyone in each chat is going off to why their isnt any coms on whats going on

[lean narwhal]

hi guys, I need suggestions on how to find AI food

someone can help me?

[knotty steeple]

Ai has specific spawn points they always spawn at, some areas have very few, while others have a lot, its also worth noting that each area spawns different kinds of ai.

Id recommend going on an empty server, spawning a galli and just slowly going around the map (stay in 1 area for 10+ mins so ai has time to spawn) and noting what kind of ai spawned where.

But if you dont want to do that, the general golden rule is that more players in an area = more ai, since ai always tries to spawn close to players.

[lament jasper]

so elite fish grab babycrocs now and drown them for 10 freakin minutes? this stuff is gettin more ridiculous every day

[crimson crow]

Im almost dead! Woo!

[sly mauve]

help im a returning player and i cant find food for nothing

ai is broken, and im a starving ptera

[reef compass]

As a Ptery, fish is your primary food. Fish AI has been broken since .20 dropped in June. They recently patched the game to combat hacking issues. I am unaware (yet) if those changes may have fixed the AI fish issues as well.
I recommend you look for turtles or crabs on the coasts until the fish AI is fixed.

Anyone checked the Official servers since 20.156 dropped to see if AI fish have returned?

[jagged summit]

#ai-feedback message
Me when we're getting an ocean overhaul with likely ocean AI

also spino

[final skiff]

Even if we only get Amonites and Trilobites, I’d be happy.

[tidal pewter]

Fr like even only coastal or fish ai would do it would still be awesome

[glad tangle]

#ai-feedback-discussion message I've never seen these images before. They're beautiful. Can't wait for the oceans to look like that.

[glacial hearth]

@final skiff something tells me this guy likes Dsungaripterus Weii

[final skiff]

It’s just a really unique guy that I found out about in connection with The Isle, even though it has nothing to do with The Isle (other than me constantly pushing to get it added to The Isle).

[stray wigeon]

do ai gallis not spawn anymore on hordetest?

[unkempt glen]

uhh help

[royal torrent]

do we need to be louder about the fish ai not working because idk whats going on, i see people been talking about this for months and it's still an issue?

[gusty dew]

I'm literally checking back after months of not playing to see if the situation with ai has improved. Guess I'll be checking back in another couple months.

[gusty dew]

Current pteranodon gameplay loop: Spawn, look for food, die of starvation

I wonder why they don't just take away pteranodon at this point

Taking away gliding speed after a dive and the main source of food just seems like one step away from removing the species entirely

[obtuse meadow]

I am left thinking about how this is an island, there should be tides, and tide pools.

[royal torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-pogfish-pogfishxsss-sss-superlative-gif-23508428

[royal torrent]

no one cares that deino's have no gameplay? i thought this would be a much larger issue.

[dim marlin]

It could be cool to add land AI to deino diets and then make them need to drink. We need more AI variety in general tho 😭

[crisp sonnet]

I wouldn't mind Deino's having more gameplay. Maybe then I can drink water in peace as a fresh spawn more often than not.

[royal torrent]

Whatever reason you want to give -- deino is my favorite playable and it currently is unplayable. Funny thing tho playing any other dino i have never once been grabbed by a deino in my 100+ hours of gameplay.

[misty jackal]

Deino is my fav playable too, I was excited to see the shift from the east side of the map to the west when I heard about it. But honestly the games never been the same since. It’s so difficult for a deino to go west, and when you do it’s only a matter of time until two adult deinos do as well and they just kill you. Unlike the delta, you can’t have multiple deinos existing in the west stream because it’s literally just one stream you’re guaranteed to bump into someone who isn’t friendly eventually

[dense sun]

is the AI still messed up? stopped playing when trike went live due to not being able to grow any carnivores for lack of AI food hoping they done some fix now so its playable?

[frozen fulcrum]

yep

[tired lava]

I was playing with two other baby Rex’s last night and there was a baby deer going Mach 2…

We were on hordetest

[obsidian hornet]

The AI spawns feel good rn

[plain dock]

In HT? or?

[modest osprey]

there is no ai in na 12

[obsidian hornet]

In most the HT servers

[crude pollen]

last night i went 4 hours without seeing or hearing any ai spawns on ht, died to starvation.

[void hinge]

So since this is related to ai. I know there are unofficial servers that have ai dinosaurs and I made a private server for myself today and was curious how to get ai dinosaurs to spawn around the map

[final skiff]

I would love that! Technically there are some spots that could be considered tide pools at a distance, but not in a mechanical way.

[obtuse meadow]

Big task for developers, but would be super cool to see in a survival game.

[obtuse meadow]

#ai-feedback message

Yes, Tacos are still around. Look for them south west of the sanctuary under West Rail Beach, and even in the new Pits area.

[final skiff]

Without actual tides, I don’t think it’d be too tough. Like a miniature version of patrol zone, just put in little appropriate vignettes on the beaches. They’ve already got lots of little rocky nooks that look appropriate.

[topaz fog]

How do u get carbs from eating small fish ? Cuz before you needed 7-8-9 mins for fish to rotten or smth and it could give u carbs, now it gives nothing

[silver raven]

So they finally fixed it ?

[mystic geyser]

Fish back?

[shell bone]

@prisma warren Dibble ai doesn't exist anymore

[unborn ginkgo]

havent played in a minute have they fixed fish ai?

[pastel brook]

galli is still which makes me think dibble is, just in different locations

screenshot from a hour ago of me finding a ai galli (found 2 more immediately after and ate all of them 🙂

[prisma warren]

oh okay guys

i was confused too because i found gallis but no dibbles and feeding big rex without ai dibbles is harcore lol

[shell bone]

Since there's been no reports of anyone finding them, i doubt it

[granite smelt]

Good riddance 🎊

[hollow comet]

Anybody know wat happen to ai dibbles?

[silver raven]

Put back where they belong

[hollow comet]

Jesús Christ

[plain garden]

Hey guys, genuine question: when did boar become corpse bullies? Just got bullied off of a crab as a fresh spawn troo by a boar who proceeded to eat it in front of me and guard the corpse (could not be led away, they would always return to the kill) the boar is eating the sea turtle I just killed now. Is this new? It seems to work a little too well for the little guys atm

[hollow comet]

Yes that’s new damn boars

[plain garden]

[limpid arch]

If there are Gali ai, they are b uuuugggyyyy XD

[drowsy iron]

are ai spawns fixed yet or still broken / makes playing carno abusive?

[steel flicker]

Are AI dibbles no longer in HT? At delta Because I’m not trying to starve to death at 65% Rex?

[granite smelt]

Seem to not be spawning this patch, hopefully gone for good.

[prisma warren]

think they are gone

its harder to play rex now

ai gallis are there but hard to catch and they don t give much

[steel flicker]

Yikes very hard for Rex then lol since not many players either

[edgy quarry]

It’s amazing how many people quit after the isle due to lack of ai back when Tri dropped. I went back to check on it just now and people are still saying there’s no ai.. it’s been sooo many months lmfaoo, all good though I’ve been grinding other games, maybe I’ll check back in a year and see if they made any progress

[inland spade]

can someone explain to me why some of you disagree on adding more ai? multiple feedbacks saying we need more ai and plenty of you hitting the red x. just curious why?

[granite smelt]

Being able to sustain large carnivores by hunting a.i. beyond their juvenile growth stage stagnates the game, as they strip all the challenge away from survival, & lead to an extreme overpopulation of apex predators. The primary appeal of this game, for me at least, is the player defined ecosystem & an abundance of a.i. ruins that ecosystem.

[inland spade]

yet apex herbivores get perfect diet their entire growth because they have 3 seperate zones catered to them? thats a double standard, especially considering most herbivores DRASTICALLY outweigh all current carnivores

also my feedback was about me trying to feed my family of raptors, not apexs.

[granite smelt]

I think herbivores should be significantly easier to grow & sustain than carnivores.

[inland spade]

well you coulda started with that. you want to keep the game herbivore sided. to each their own.
id like balance.

[granite smelt]

The game is inherently asymmetrical & I want more herbivores as a carnivore player.

[shell bone]

Herbivores being easy to grow isn't the game being herbivore sided.. it's just how an ecosystem works
Considering the devs have a lot of carnivores with only herbis on their diet i think they want it to be that way too.

[grand shadow]

anybody on na12 wanna get a big tood group going?

[lean sluice]

while i agree this could certainly be an issue with increased ai spawns, i just don't think it'll be THAT big of an issue - with official server pops making the maps feel so lonely to traverse the likelihood of starving as a growing or FG apex is too high rn (I've only gotten one carno to adult and i was 30% hunger or below the whole time, and funnily enough, died of starvation - but skill issue i guess)

ai spawns shouldn't be so high that herbi players are off the menu - just high enough that carnivores can live long enough to find those players

plus even if ai is spawning in over-abundance, with little else to do in the game players are going to want to pick fights for fun or food anyway so high ai becomes a non issue

[granite smelt]

Refer to dibbles in Delta.

[lean sluice]

sure okay, what if i spawn in other side of the map as delta? chances are im going to starve before i get there or w/e

atm it feels a little like survival in this game is tied to rng which is just bad game design

[granite smelt]

I think the luck based aspect of survival is far more relevant when pertaining to corpses de-spawning, rather than a.i. spawning or lack thereof. In my experience, at least.

[lean sluice]

yeah totally that would suck but my point still stands - having luck outside of your personal skills as a hunter determine if you starve or not is not fun and at a bare minimum games should be fun

but also, if dondi doesn't want it to be that way then it's not going to happen i guess

[granite smelt]

having an abundance of a.i. removes all the skill from hunting though.

[lean sluice]

does it? their behaviour can be tweaked to be more skittish and foliage in some places is so dense you can just loose them

hunts in real life often end in failure - that doesn't mean there's no prey to hunt

[granite smelt]

regardless of how their behaviour is tweaked they will still follow set patterns which are easy to exploit. The experience of hunting an a.i. will never be comparable to that of hunting another player with investment in their 'asset'. Maybe I'm being optimistic here, but I think removing the ability for carnivores to survive via PvE would encourage more people to play herbivores, resulting in there being more prey.

[lean sluice]

that's true! but also i don't think removing ai is a good move for the playerbase as whole, hunting ai is a useful tool for new players to learn their kits before they're grown enough to hunt herbi players - plus if you think hunting ai is easy no skill slop then just don't hunt them? there's clearly a large % of players who's enjoyment of the game will increase with higher ai spawns so it's not necessarily fair to them + others to cater exclusively to the grr gritty hardcore survival players

i think we'd be more okay with spawns as they are if the isle was fully released but it's still in development and is at least putting on a show of wanting community feedback via these discord channels

[silver raven]

Small AI animals are fine as they contribute to immersion (not much right now but a little bit)
AI dinosaurs like dibble and galli are still way too dumb to be of any difficulty to hunt for players, and I won't believe smart AI in this game until I see it

AI versions of playable species also harm the player population of that species because people don't want to play as something that's esentially glorified food on a platter

[granite smelt]

it's entirely fair for The Isle to cater exclusively to survival players because it's a survival game. The game has developed, & continues to develop upon, its own established niche within the survival genre making for an incredible & unique gaming experience. Adding generic features for the sake of appeasing, or appealing to, players of other genres will only detract from the overall experience.

[lean sluice]

youre so right in that regard and i realise i didnt explain my point very well so i hope you dont mind if i give it another crack!
its totally fair for the isle and its continued development to remain on course as a harsh survival game and it is doing many things very well in that regard! its what drew me to the game after all, so i would never want or expect that aspect to be removed for a more casual gaming experience (since we all know thats not what the isle is) - more like if we're sitting at a 10 on the harshness scale lets consider what an 8.5 could play like

also, personally, my issues with ai spawns specifically tie in to how they affect my ability to explore the map - the current rate ai spawns actually feels very nice and rewarding when you do get one, its just not all areas of the map get those spawn rates - i dont think ai needs to spawn more, just that it needs to spawn reliably in the spots it currently isnt - so me and other players can explore gateway without needing to remain an appropriate distance from whatever zone is active
the art teams are doing such amazing work with the environments and human structures it feels like such a shame those areas arent getting visited as much because players will starve before they get the chance to explore properly

idk i hope that reads well enough, its a complicated matter that also ties into map size + server population limits so its tricky to discuss i feel

[granite smelt]

I also think its a shame that while the human structures around the map, theoretically, pose their own challenges & opportunities for encounters with other players I have never once ran into another player around one.

[lean sluice]

you and me both my friend

[obsidian ore]

need more fish spawns in rivers literally never any spawns as a deino to eat

[blissful oar]

What bothers me about the fish AI is that the argument is “a fg shouldn’t be able to sustain with it” which is valid, but it also doesn’t spawn for those fresh spawns that need it :/

[frail parcel]

reinstalled after 6 months to see. just uninstalled after 15 mins. great work devs.

[blissful oar]

15 minutes is wild bro xD

[frail parcel]

you expect me to waste more time? lulz

[blissful oar]

when you can't even grow 1 dinosaur in 15 minutes? Yes?

[frail parcel]

deino takes 6 hours bruh. nah

[blissful oar]

oh you only play deino? Makes sense then I guess

[winter laurel]

Many survival games have AI, I don't think spawning AI where players are nonexistent means the isle is not catering to survival players. The problem is that the isle's AI in its current state is completely braindead and is essentially a free meal. The isle imo does need AI to help deal with cold spots on the map... But specifically it needs nuanced AI that is easy to find but hard to catch. Something that will provide a meal that isn't as good as killing another player, but isn't a gimme for players who aren't good enough to hunt other players

[sleek mantle]

so like taco's or rabbits?

[valid fractal]

There's little to no AI spawning on NA3. The most I've seen is two rabbits and a taco. Where there was AI spawning substantially yesterday. there is no AI spawning today.

[winter laurel]

Rabbits would be an okay example, but not ideal. More like elk in wolf quest. You can get yourself pretty easily killed if you just blindly run up and attack. There's a bit of strategy involved - gotta make the elk panic, and then got a pick a weak target, and then gotta have the stamina to tire them out, and then you got a separate them, and then you got to fight, and try your best to dodge their attacks because their kicks can break bones and delete you in a hit or two if you're not careful

In the isle that could mean having to stalk AI to get close enough to have a chance to kill them before they bolt, or AI that follows their own "migration routes" that need to be tracked, and maybe AI that are actually dangerous to hunt without a strategy... Or too fast to catch without a plan

Right now taco is simple as "find mound. Dig up mound. Bite taco. Profit"

In the isle, the AI is hard to find but easy to kill. In wolfquest the ai is easy to find but hard to kill

[silver raven]

#ai-feedback message
I recallr of a time where there was no AI in evrima

And yet people somehow managed to grow carnivores

[lethal smelt]

@ionic escarp so to understand you correctly, you want food/water requirements to not be a thing, yes?
Nobody should ever starve. Everyone should be given free food when they're low. Yes, good old legacy days. Sounds like an awesome 'survival game'.

Ai is fine, if you know the right spots and keep your ears sharp.
Except for fish, yeah those are broken.
(Talking about evrima. Ai is even better in HT).

[somber rock]

have they fixed AI in normal evrima?

[eternal cairn]

have they fixed AI in normal evrima?

[scarlet furnace]

have they fixed AI dibble on server hordtest?

[safe yarrow]

yes I'm pretty sure, it's finally gone

[inland token]

It's not possible to join a nest via COD on EU 2. Can something be done about this?

[obtuse meadow]

#ai-feedback message

Woah are those mud skippers?

[wooden helm]

hello veryone, may. someone can help me. i have a question. can we get prime rn ? i am confused case i can see no one mz with all dinos?

[versed minnow]

go to 4 pz instead

[wooden helm]

i was in 7 active pz with maia

in 6 mz, i did everything and more but that maia didnt hit prime. Anyone have more informations ?

[jade grove]

Hi friends
Can anyone help me?
I'm having trouble with the direction of AI-generated sounds in Hordertest.
When I hear something and go in that direction, I realize the animal isn't there and end up going in the wrong direction.

[dapper locust]

anyone else having a hard time trying to sirvive as the deino? i cant find any schools of fish or elite fish at allll

[last pebble]

which server has all ai like crabs fish and turtles?

[torn panther]

all Food makes the player fatal error in HT US-1

[lethal smelt]

@turbid belfry that's the funniest sh I ever seen

[lethal smelt]

@pallid pebble I think it is spread out
Ppl reported seeing them at swamp

[torn panther]

Dibbles spawn under forks pond and thrash underwater.

[wet cape]

Today I learned that elite fish simply swallow croc juvies whole. And I was so happy to have finally found a fish -.- AI is just so broken... no Schooling Fish… only dead for Crocs… i pause the game til this works again…

[ancient rover]

deino ai is till messed up when is it getting fixed just wondering

[marsh wyvern]

Are there seriously people who simply feel like because they don't want AI in their games they have to downvote anything that is pro AI when there are already no ai servers for those people to play on?

Like seriously? You already have what you want, let some other people get a piece of the pie too

[charred dew]

sure, turn off ai and turn it into completely pvp game where ppl have to deal with duo , trio or mixpacks with mic all the time

[desert oxide]

Soooooo who turned off all the AI? Havent seen any in the last 12 hours.

[torpid pendant]

is AI disabled right now? cant find nor hear a single AI in the entire server NA2

[gray geyser]

same in eu

[desert walrus]

revert AI spawns to pre-Trike patch

[elfin siren]

I feel like sometimes audio messes up and I don't hear things that are there. 🤷

[lethal smelt]

@light mountain yeap, we are goatless

[cinder crow]

Me and my friends have been having this issue in NA 2 for several days now in our usual hunting zones

[torpid pendant]

Why do we have patrol and migration areas then? they are totally usuless , u keep patrolling there and find nothing

[steel sky]

I’d like to start by saying I am sure the team has plenty of things on their plate and the devs are probably staggering to make things happen like new content, map and server improvements. But please fix AI in this game. I understand it takes away from resources and time on the larger projects. But this HAS to be addressed. Without the balance of AI the game drives players away instead of inviting them to it. Now if you guys could properly balance the AI spawn rates and locations as well as their behavior. I feel like that would be absolutely amazing. The only AI that I think have the most serious problem is the fish AI (I mean everyone knows it’s busted) the fish fly, get stuck in rocks, and don’t seem to spawn enough in the limited water ways that they do spawn. There are a handful of Dinos that have fish on their diet and they have to compete for a severely broken and lacking food source. Deinos eat so much so school fish hardly do anything for them after a certain point. Elite fish don’t spawn nearly enough and when they do they magically grow invisible wings and fly out the water. Or run straight into rocks or logs and completely disappear. Please for the love of god and this games players. Please make some time to address these issues. My comment is mostly aimed at water AI as I play Deino more often. But even as a land carnivore. I can’t get large enough to hunt players cause AI isn’t around enough to get to that point. Please fix this. The player base would appreciate it and it would greatly improve the odds of the new content coming out with a fresh AI system to handle the growing Dino roster that you are working on.

[next frost]

i just got the game a few days ago and full grew a Ptdon but then couldnt find a single fish after having plenty, and now i havent been able to find a single fish since then. I just joined the server to ask if they were disabled now. Havent found a single one in 2 days with multiple attempts

[steel sky]

I’m pretty sure AI has been a bit buggy lately. Last night I couldn’t find any. Today I had plenty but only in the spot where I logged off at. So I say it is hit or miss my friend. However I think the devs need to fix the balance of AI. I am sad to say it wasn’t always like this. Your experience doesn’t scream “great” from my first experience. But I will say although this dev team isn’t the best at fixing all their problems right away they do work really hard at trying to improve the gameplay. Don’t get me wrong I have my opinions of the devs but I also don’t build games so I’m not gonna dump on them cause I don’t know what it takes to fix game issues. Best advice if you’d like it is to stick around make some progress on growth and log and just rinse repeat till full grown. It will get better it’s just a matter of time

[edgy quarry]

this has been a recurring issue for so many months i can promise yal the dev team doesnt read any of this or cares xD

[next frost]

im not dumping on anyone, i just want to play a Ptdon but the fish seem disabled so i cant really

[steel sky]

I’m not saying you are I was just saying for myself

[next frost]

i joined to ask if its just me or a known thing that the fish just disappeared out of nowhere a couple days ago or if anyone knew if i could do something to help

[steel sky]

They do read and they do care but it’s the list of things on their agenda that take priority. However there isn’t much transparency so it feels like we aren’t being listened to

[edgy quarry]

right cause it takes like 6 months to fix ai

[steel sky]

I hear you. And I agree it’s frustrating but can you fix the AI problem?

Also can you produce new dinos and max fixes and bug fixes as well as every other problem the devs face rn?

[edgy quarry]

it seriously cant be that difficult, its their game bro. if you release a update that breaks the game you hotfix it, thats what any competent game developer does

produce new dinos? liek the one a year we get?

[steel sky]

It’s not like it’s that simple bud. I promise it’s really not. It’s simple for many other game devs probably but how many games do you know that are like this one that get that type of solution?

[edgy quarry]

hear me out, design skins for dino's, allow players to pay for them, use the money to hire game develoeprs and fix the game

even then just release dinos upon dlc releases who cares, i'd rather pay 5-7$ a dino for one u want for stability of the game

[slender path]

dude im loving the game but im trying my best to grow a dilo but i have no ai to live off of untill i can fend for myself does anyone know why there isnt any ai in evrima rn?

[elfin siren]

A recent update has broken the AI. I wasn't having issues last week, but now there is no AI.

[charred dew]

now with ai busted, everyone gets the deino treatment

[elfin siren]

Unless you are a herbivore. Probably going to stick to veggies until I see AI around again. 🌳

[charred dew]

can't wait to see people say,“well actually, I just saw a full-grown (insert playable) yesterday” so it’s a skill issue and you shouldn't rely on AI

[severe dune]

help me, I can't log in to the Hordtestings when logging into the server, the Client Disconnect error crashes

[cedar flint]

It's a skill issue, you just gotta log on the EXACT time that everyone else died because of starvation due to lack of ai and feed of their corpses, duh.

[charred dew]

sounds like a great and promising game with a bright future
one that could easily thrive for another ten years for me

[lethal smelt]

-> optionally chooses to play a buggy test branch
-> makes conclusions about the overall state of the game years from now

[tacit sigil]

will the ai in hordetest be fixed tdy? if this discussion is for hordetest too

[half blade]

short question: where are all the ai animals gone? Since a few days I havent seen any animal...

in Evrima

[tulip storm]

i found this on hord but it is just not moving nor is it killable

[half blade]

okay strange. On official and inofficial servers are no animals. I dont even hear anything

[tulip storm]

that on hord test so its offical

but it was unkillable

[half blade]

yeah but I dont have installed horde. Ive installed Evrima

[glad tangle]

Ai is still broken needs to be fixed asap

[half blade]

aaaah thanks for answering 🙂 So is there an update planned?

[tulip storm]

i mean how devs release even a test but the test itself was clearly not tested prior to public testing is beyond me

plus they broke ai in the normal game too somhow

like how are we supposed to play and get feedback when you cant even play anything other than herbis

or you just scavenge

[dim drift]

i've found 2 chickens so there are ia but 2 chickens in one day is nothing

[wet cape]

It's just so ridiculous... how long the AI hasn't been working and there's not even a statement from the developers. I think they've given up on the game or lost interest... I won't play it again until something decent happens…

It just feels like they're completely ignoring the AI issue, or why isn't there any feedback?

[alpine knot]

is the ai still bugged on horde test?

[azure pine]

yes

[winter laurel]

Not that they should be having the same kinds of AI bugs for months, but HT is a testing server - if something breaks severely, that's the place to find it. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit here, but there's a possibility that the AI bugs are only noticeable on the very high pop HT servers - I thought the AI algorithm took into account how many players were on the server and their locations.

So it's possible that maybe on the lower population devTest / closed test servers the bug isn't found

[charred dew]

the ai is pretty much the same in main branch speicaly the fish spawn

the only reason they still have legacy is to boost its online player stat (mostly chinese players ) to make the game look good

[elfin siren]

AI was working on evrima and now it's gone. I played HT today and came across 1 bugged crab and 1 bugged turtle.

[winter laurel]

Right... And that's definitely a problem, particularly for the live branch. It's annoying for HT, but with the way the AI spawner works, it may just be the kind of bug that's not possible to find before patching to HT and flooding the server

[plain garden]

Does the spear fishing mechanic in HT work for anyone else? I don't seem to be actually catching any fish

[ivory orchid]

does the ai in US/NA HT 3 work?

[near plank]

Still no fish frogs or turtles on any servers in any branch of the game?

[azure pine]

is the ai fixed in ht?

[lethal smelt]

It was
But rn everything is broken

[short folio]

Enjoying? Anybody? No?

[tribal vortex]

How did the devs manage to bug ai again fix it!!!

[primal bear]

i would be more suprise if there where no bugs.. something allways breaks

[true chasm]

bots dont fixed yet HT?

[pale crow]

read a few messages avove you. no

[median rain]

Please just roll back the update to where it worked so the people can actually play the game in the meanwhile.

[opaque spear]

Yes please. Just roll back one patch, because its just not possible to play PT, deino or Beipi

[azure pine]

ht ai still broken?

[sweet igloo]

yeah its still broken

[silk chasm]

Is ai completely broken for all servers because every server I join the ai isunkillible and non moving

[ivory orchid]

yep they are

[median rain]

Any change on the AI situation yet?

[buoyant peak]

I found a boar not bugged (and he killed me XD)

[ivory orchid]

Does this mean the ai is finally unbugged?

[azure axle]

yes!

[silent crypt]

AI IS FIXED?

[silent crypt]

?

[indigo trail]

guys are the fishes in the water fixed because there are no fish right here in the moment

[silent crypt]

AI IS FIXED

OMG

YES

[junior siren]

ARE FISH WORKING YET?

[torn pewter]

ai working?

[wispy igloo]

?

[buoyant peak]

Ai working yes!

Is fixed now

[uncut vector]

🐟

[bitter zenith]

I am aware that the AI is not working on Hordetest. But has anyone else experienced a severe decrease in AI on Official servers as well?

[glad tangle]

ai not working on evrima

[sacred falcon]

AI has not been fixed.. severs are absolutely empty for fish. have they stopped reseting severs?

[naive lagoon]

does anyone know it goats have been removed from hordetesting servers?

[hazy terrace]

they said is not only a reseting problem, i read one devsay that they need a new patch to fix it

I understood that

[bitter zenith]

The game is almost unplayable at the moment on Official without some kind of damn AI

[charred dew]

For me, the most enjoyable thing right now is watching other people’s streams and seeing them suffer through the poorly designed food system and mixpacks/cheaters
or simply play something like dryo,beipi and ptera to occupy server slot and watch the fight in the front row of seat

[ebon depot]

its been months and still not fixed I see. We even have our own discord channel too? sheesh did the game die?

[hexed plover]

I just started the playing the game with a big group of friends and I’m hooked, but I’m trying not to get burnt out before they fix this issue. I check here everyday every hour for any updates.

[digital forge]

@eager bronze we miss you already lol

[glad tangle]

We should all post negative reviews saying ai is broken then maybe they will fix it….

[safe yarrow]

that's basically all people do

[onyx sorrel]

Has the Ai problem been fixed?

[unreal mango]

Oops, I literally just posted an overall positive feedback. Sorry I didn't get the memo

[lethal smelt]

And yet, trash talkers like yourself will be the first ones back the second it's fixed

The entitlement is insane
The second something doesn't work the way it usually does, you resort to the most extreme toxic whining
Shame on you

[still pelican]

That's what he bought the game for, right? To play something he paid for, something decent. It's a game that's been around for years and still has the same old bugs, and they don't seem to care.

[lethal smelt]

no, thats not true
bought it with the early access symbol and a clear disclaimer that there will be bugs
bugs happen yes, but they are not the 'same old', the game is very different and has progressed a lot and brings hundreds of hours of entertainment to everyone for just $20 or less

[still pelican]

I don't deny that the game is good, but it has things that make it unplayable at times. I've been following the game for a long time, but these kinds of errors, like with the AI, simply shouldn't go unfixed for so long. I haven't seen a single AI in days, and there's no response from the developers. I'm not going to defend the game or overlook it because it says "may contain errors," whether it costs $5 or $100, that's not the point.

[ruby crater]

Goats are officially extinct

https://tenor.com/view/asteroid-earth-destruction-explosion-armageddon-gif-26592167

[glad tangle]

ive been playing every day.... even with it broken

[hexed plover]

Theres quite a bit of ai rn

[hazy terrace]

not in the water T-T

[hexed plover]

it was after a server reset, so far rabbits, deer, boar

[hazy terrace]

yep i know, theres no fish but theres other ai thanks god

[glad tangle]

no fish i can live with. as long as the other ai is fixed that means more carnos to eat at the rivers 😛

[rare hinge]

what if your Ptero or dieno?

[chrome perch]

I'm having trouble finding AI in the hordetest - any tips

[rare hinge]

which dino are you?

[chrome perch]

Allo, but i'm talking any AI - I don't care what I'm eating

[rare hinge]

thats the problem because ai inly spawns consintently mostly only around Rexes rn

for what ever reason

[bronze gazelle]

HAs the Ai on evirma been fixed yet?

[rare hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/zs-good-morning-gif-4154880375153228977

no

[lethal smelt]

This is not true
Theres a huge number of all kinds of ai in HT, you can't miss it especially if you're in delta or south plains

[rare hinge]

where is all the fish at then?

[lethal smelt]

I see fish every 2 minutes, at least in delta

"unplayable"
You literally joined yesterday
Stop blaming the game before u learn it first

[ripe pilot]

Saying this like the same bugs haven't existed for five years without any fix or any attempt to fix them. Floating fish spawns, inconsistent ai spawns with plant/animal, raptor and troodon pounce bug. Early access does not excuse simply ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away. They don't even address it. Just blind eye it all while trying to pile on more mechanics.

[lethal smelt]

It gets fixed quite a bit
For example ai is perfectly functional right now in hordetest
Different variation of bugs reappear as we see the game development.

I'm not justifying slow development.
But I won't be justifying premature blame either when half the time the problem is simply that players aren't developing their skills enough and don't want a challenge. After any inconvenience, difficulty or death in game, ppl resort immediately to blaming everything other than themselves.

[grim swallow]

i got in ht by acciident since then i have tried but no dice

still no ai on evrima

[ripe pilot]

You are the only person I see that saying ai is working on ht. It seems to mostly spawn only in delta. Despite that, the ai on evrima has been broken for almost five days now. With no animals spawning. It has been brought up over and over again and the only fixes that have been implemented have been to ht. Not to the games official branch. The official branch has been bugged and broken for five days with zero communication or acknowledgement from the devs. It is game breaking if both your carnivores and your herbivores starve because there is no diet.

[grim swallow]

herbis have its nice to be honest

its the carnis that suffer

[ripe pilot]

The migration zones food spawn has been on and off. I had better luck in the north parts but a good portion of them are only spawning one to two plants but I'll agree its been a lot easier on herb than carn. XD

[grim swallow]

funny the game has been competitive and a lot of players opting for cannibal traits

[ripe pilot]

I'm just frustrated cause I've been playing the isle since legacy first came out. Been there since its baby days and I've defended it and supported it. Every year though the exact same problems persist and now I have zero confidence that they are ever going to get fixed. Its like someone promising you something nice every year and forgetting every single time but giving you the same halfhearted excuse. Eventually you stop believing them. This is a fantastic game with such potential. New dinosaurs bring in more of a player base but the constant bugs and hackers instantly kill the population once the hype is gone.

[grim swallow]

stoped playing legacy a long time ago

made evrima my home

now i am going on a break for a while

[lethal smelt]

That is literally not possible
Ask anyone right now, on #isle-discussion or #evrima-na and I guarantee you everyone will say ai is working fine on HT
Ai always spawns more where there's more players so yes delta is the hotspot rn, but I've definitely found it in other places like east lakes and south plains too

.
Sorry about evrima, that's unfortunate
Yeah they tend to prioritize HT when there's an HT active so maybe that's why it's being neglected a bit

[bold nebula]

AI seems to be working for me on NA 2 and 10 past two days AI has been plentiful

[bold nebula]

alpha fish are back on official now and more aggressive than ever XD

[bitter zenith]

ai back on?

[bold nebula]

yep

[bold nebula]

payback is sweet

[bold nebula]

not sure if it makes a difference but if i goto NA6 with a low pop there is no fish that spawn but on NA2 or NA10 there is

whats weird is i goto NA 12 like NA2 and 10 its full but on that server No fish are spawning

[acoustic fable]

AI been working on HT generally speaking. Can’t say anything about main branch tho

[rare hinge]

No its not

[lethal smelt]

No it's not what?

[rare hinge]

Damn what?! All servers or only specific?

[lethal smelt]

No, I'm asking what do you mean

Are you unable to find ai?

[rare hinge]

Ah no still wasnt able to before asking this

[rare hinge]

Did you actually find fishes consistntly now?

[bold nebula]

So the current AI System works as followed to my understanding
At the most impactful heaviest load on the server (max population) AI including fish are at max capacity and when there are few players on the server no fish spawn and AI is scarce. This doesnt work and I was wondering if a system design for AI Spawning would better be suited with the following. AI in each area has a resource pool each spawn no matter the player population. it would be the same at 1 population or 100. the resource pool fills back up over time what this would do is fix the AI spawns when the server dies down and cause scarcity if the area is over farmed like say too many Deinos at South plane River forcing natural migrations around the map or even PVP to reduce the consumption on that rescource spawn
this would also mimic real world scenarios of a single apex predator in a resource rich environment (Low population on the server) to thrive

Also given this scenario: A raptor pack is attempting to nest in the area but an apex predator like a Cerata T-rex or Carno moves in to the area they naturally eat more than the raptors would or take away from that pool of resources. The raptor pack in order to survive and nest would have to do something about the new threat in the area further adding to a more natural pvp type scenario

[bold nebula]

The AI is working on NA 10 NA 2 and NA 12 when the player population is high @ripe flax i get why you are upset because you enjoy the game and see more potential in it but ask yourself does criticism alone without intellect add to the game or take away from it.

[lethal smelt]

<@&933486433342222376>

[lethal smelt]

In evrima fish are broken
In hordetest all ai including fish is perfectly functional

[rare hinge]

Did you check if all servers have that? Which servers did you play on? Which fishes did you see? (Im not talking about the fish that jump aput of the water! Im talking about ai fish like elite fish)

[lethal smelt]

I have not tested the elite fish so I don't know about that one
But everything else like the small fish and land ai is functioning well on all servers, I tried multiple

[rare hinge]

By small fish you dont mean the ones that jump out of the water right?

[lethal smelt]

Yes I mean the ones that jump and the ones that swim in circles underwater

[rare hinge]

Did you see any of these spawn in the swamps though? Because thats where the problem lies since this is where you are forced to spawn as dieno

[lethal smelt]

No I hate swamps, they have nothing and they're so annoying to navigate
I always go to delta and water access

[untold dragon]

fish is a myth on eu servers

[rare hinge]

i have been flying around the dam sea, no scooling fish

[silk vale]

i played 8 different official servers and didnt see a single ai fish schooling fish nothin at all

[untold dragon]

and still they dont fix it xD

imagine paying for a game like this

[hazy terrace]

Schoooling fish work sometimes, but elite fish no

[static atlas]

got muted from ai feedback because I said that it feels like the devs dont care/ say anything about the AI issue wtf at least give a statement

[bold nebula]

elite fish i see more than schooling fish

[bold nebula]

thats probably because its a waste of time for them to come on discord and say hey AI is broken when there is a 1000 posts sayin hey AI is broken

but if it makes you feel extra special "Hey AI is broken"

[bold nebula]

I find fish on evrima when server pop is full

[glad tangle]

Would be nice to know if they are working on it.

[static atlas]

but after 1000 posts there are no responds or anything

[silver raven]

tbh when a dev comes in the feedback channel to answer a post 15 minutes later people are already yelling that devs never read feedback

[static atlas]

But did they actually say anything about the AI like the land AI was fine for the last couple of weeks and now its non existent. fish AI is simply not there... cant they say like "we are working on a fix or we hear you we dont know whats wrong"

[silver raven]

In isle discussion, most likely

[empty root]

someone said the other day that the missing AI issue may be due to daylight savings affecting the server restarts somehow, I was on NA10 yesterday and it restart around 11pm-ish. Anyone seen AI on that or other servers since then?

[bold nebula]

you dont know how AI spawns do you? because if you scroll up i have pictures posted of where fish have spawned and are found easily on max population servers

than if you see the large recommendation i posted below it you will see why you think its broken and a possible solution for it

[bold nebula]

yes but only when it reaches 90+ players

[upper patrol]

ATM this game is just starve-simulator, its not really possible to play any carnivore without the immense struggle to find food.

[bold nebula]

skill issue

[upper patrol]

u cant tell me that in 4 times i played carnivore on HT the last 3 hours, it is skill issue that i came across exactly 0 AI?c.c

[fervent citrus]

Its not a skill issue, me and my partner are also really struggling to find ai

obviously we do find them but other times there are no ones to be seen

[mental portal]

the problems built into the ai system are exacerbated on ht

best thing to do is log when it rains cause you can't hear ai, pick high density servers so the ai turnover is also high, and group into 3+ players to increase ai on diet spawns

[molten mulch]

@lethal smelt
The problem is that the boar knows the exact location of everything, and it would simply be a nerf to the small carnivores that are the only ones hunt them.

And those small carnivores are already having a hard time finding food.

[lethal smelt]

Tbh I find it the other way around
U get extra free food (a boar) delivered to you if you stay near a corpse lol
For extremely small carnivores yeah it's a problem, but to be honest I have found that grabbing pieces and running and repeating works most of the time

[molten mulch]

@lethal smelt Herra is the only small one that eats boars.

(Omni is the Lowes Mid. I wouldn't call something the size of a polar bear small.)

And Boar Attack is completely unreliable. I've already been killed by them from behind.
When you're small, you'd rather stay away from them.

Grab the pieces works, but it's extremely annoying, isn't it?

You just want to be able to eat in peace.

[blissful oar]

I don’t understand the point of the ai killing juvies. The juvies are the ones who should benefit the most of eating ai because they can’t really hunt anything else yet. Why make it so they kill you?

[unreal schooner]

hunger system makes no sense to begin with

this game is a make work project of complete waste of time.

[molten mulch]

They've built the food chain backwards in the game.

The large carnivores have the easiest and most access to food.

And the smallest ones have the least and hardest access.

Rex and Allo get 5 Diablos, and my Troodon gets 1 crab.

And Everything except deer and boar makes hardly any noise.

[molten mulch]

Yes, completely unfair.

A spawn Troodon is dead from hunger in 25 minutes.

A spawn Rex isn't even below 30% hunger after an hour.

[chrome perch]

in the hordetest, where are the AI clams, says they're on the ptera's diet.

[molten mulch]

in the mud

[fallow spoke]

Stand next to a mudpit during the day and hold rmb. Wait for a fish to come into your circle, and snatch it with left click. Then while the clam is held in your mouth, left click on a big rock to break it so you can eat it

[chrome perch]

I'm convinced AI spawns more when you play as a Tyranosaur

[molten mulch]

They obviously spawn best if you are a herbivore

[chrome perch]

LOL - I remember playing dibble on the public branch and chicken would randomly attack me, even as an adult dibble.

[lament tartan]

People keep telling me Sea turtles don't exist and I think I'm about to loose it

[tacit sigil]

does fish ai on evrima work again?

[chrome perch]

In HT I’ve seen schooling fish

[scenic marsh]

Seems to be something up with AI Fish spawns, been in both Highland lake and now Northlake and havent seen a single elite fish or school of fish

on evrima that is

[quaint jolt]

I'm a beipi in highland lake rn, I only saw one school and no elites
evrima

[shell sky]

In 4+ hours of playing, I haven't seen more than a single pool of fish.

[silent oracle]

Just saw my first two sets of schooling fish. I haven't seen any in months. But this will still be the last 😂😂😮‍💨

[scenic marsh]

freaking impossible to grow a deino when there is no food around to grow on

[shell sky]

I just got eaten by an elite fish two seconds after I respawned as Beipi. But I still don't think that counts XD

[rose zealot]

Alright, I'm really confused about how I'm supposed to play as a Deino. I spawn, and usually starve a few times until fish spawn. I usually log in when server pop is between 60-90. Elites spawn maybe once, then never again to the point I starve out once again.

I decided that it was probably a mechanic to push me out of the north lakes, so I swam down... only to find absolutely nothing.

What is the design intent around fish at the moment? How am I supposed to grow without starving?

[obtuse meadow]

#ai-feedback message

Earlier this morning someone saw a deer hunt a chicken. This may represent a change in deer behavior in general.

[hearty galleon]

are dibbles still a thing for ai? lol

[soft nymph]

@steep radish they don’t give Dino’s back for bugs and death by AI

[steep radish]

this pains me on so many levels they should just make the max grow time for big dinos 9hours max

[soft nymph]

#general-feedback

[amber falcon]

where is the best goat spawns on map

[dim marlin]

Highlands

[near plank]

Fish frogs turtles fixed?

[modest nymph]

Fish & turtles seem to be spawning on HT, but I've never seen a wild frog since Spiro 💀

[wet cape]

Announcement in DC be like „fixed this and that… and everything but AI“ 🤓 FIX THE GOD DAMN AI… for gods sake

[echo pilot]

what's HT?

[wet cape]

Hordetest

[long fjord]

i found a major spawn on ht near highlands

[dense gyro]

is anyone finding AI? Just lost my rex because theres barely players online and no AI spawned at all! I went all across the map without a single spawn

[modest nymph]

@gentle escarp #ai-feedback message

I see most of your points, but ptero AI is free diet for pteranodons. If they swarm you, drop your fish. It takes a couple of ticks for them to kill you even as a fresh spawn, so if you held on for long enough to get killed, that's on you. After dropping whatever attracted them, you can double back and peck them to get free lipids diet.

[modest nymph]

Yes nodnod I raised a deino to 70% on US 5 (I think?) exclusively on AI. I think he got rolled back though >.> Probably would have been an issue had I gotten much bigger, since player traffic was low

[lethal smelt]

Uhmm.. yeah there's loads of ai

Ai spawning isn't dependent on there being lots of players online

[dense gyro]

Didn't say that, there just was a shortage of both. Kinda bs that i walk around the entire map and find neither

[tribal mulch]

did ai fish sworm stopped spawning ?

[compact flint]

goats are bugged and have no running animation
they also dont use sounds

[sharp sphinx]

@blazing rose

[winter laurel]

@wicked umbra the obvious problem with your suggestion, specifically the second bullet, is it permits metagaming. You're an herbivore and you see an AI? Now you know a carni is nearby and are on alert. Whereas before the carni could ambush you with no warning if they were careful enough

It should always be ambiguous whether AI spawned because you were there, or whether it spawned because there's other players nearby

[lethal smelt]

@wicked umbra I don't think you understand the current system. Much of what you said is already in place.

Right now, only a player can spawn ai. Ai does not spawn on its own without players triggering. The more players, the higher rate of ai spawn.

Ai despawns if there's no player interaction with it for a few minutes (except for dibble AI).

There is already corpse cleanup in place. Bodies rot and disappear into bones. Compies and boars eat other ai corpses.

(I am talking about hordetest)

[sharp dock]

does this bring a geatter performance to the server in general?

[lethal smelt]

I think so, yeah

[thorn sleet]

well as deino you might starve before even getting the chance to meet a schoolfish as a juvie

[lethal smelt]

@wraith sable probably because it just means free infinite food and defeats the purpose of having a hunger bar

[modest nymph]

Re: this #ai-feedback message

I think it would be OK, but only at very close range. As it stands, the ability to smell footprints is virtually useless since you're already close enough to see the thing anyway. Perhaps having AI leave more conspicuous and longer-lasting tracks could serve to help players find them from a greater distance without reducing them to an icon on the compass

[wraith sable]

well, if they still spawn infrequently whats the problem? you still have to hunt the animal

[lethal smelt]

Firstly, ai doesn't spawn infrequently.
Secondly, being given an icon that says "come here for food" is not hunting.

The problem is free easy food which completely takes away from the survival aspect of the game.

[upper nimbus]

Do goats not exist anymore? I feel like I only ever see Deer and Boar on the entire map

[hexed vigil]

hope with the restart they put some fish

[ebon goblet]

i didnt know ai can fly xD

[coarse flint]

no no, its simply CLIMBING the tree!

(you should report that tbh, it probably spawned up there) #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[ebon goblet]

tyy

[hazy radish]

As if carnivores irl get free food all the time because they can smell live animals…

Only reason it would make hunting easier is because the ai is so garbage 🤣 get it acting at least a little like a real animal and suddenly there’s no issue

[opaque cloud]

Was coming here to ask the same thing, all i’m finding on hordtest are boar and deer

[modest nymph]

Allegedly they're in highlands? But I have yet to see one

[slim berry]

The highlands is the only area I have consistently found them. They're so tiny/fast that they just disappear. They can almost outrun juvy rex...

[dim marlin]

Dino Dung 💩

[molten mulch]

It's generally okay to have them in the game. But!

• Only spawn them individually, not in groups of Up to 5. That's 12-15 tons of meat!

• Don't spawn them in fixed locations.

• They should be rare.

[silver raven]

Yeah I agree

They should spawn in groups of 0

[sullen igloo]

id be fine with like 5 diablo ai on the island evenly spread apart at any given time

[glacial flame]

is herrera ai Spawn trigger Broken?

[lethal smelt]

@red zealot nope, ai despawns after a few minutes of no player interaction, making room for new spawns

[red zealot]

Maybe thats whats supposed to happen, but everytime I look into it, they always just stay there and do nothing

[lethal smelt]

In evrima?

[red zealot]

Ya Evrima, not HT though

Well i havent checked HT

[tepid parrot]

Please give us back AI on the Hordtest it's so painful to play carnis 🥲

[jolly forge]

Dose any HT Eu servers have AI?

@tepid parrot if you are from US i think US 3 have AI

[midnight dragon]

not eu5, can tell you that much
did not see any when was as my prime beipi

[tepid parrot]

I'm in EU and i haven't seen any AI since 12PM lmao

[obtuse meadow]

I suspect No AI is fairly fun in the short term, but it probably forces hard metas upon carnivores, and eventually certain carnivores become very uncommon, unless played with groups.

[grizzled stirrup]

Tried playing hordetest and there was no AI spotted. Is AI taken out right now?

[thorny dragon]

#announcements

[silver raven]

Yes, we see much less diversity in carnivores without AI
It used to be all rexes, now it's only small tiers, mid tiers and very few apexes, while half the server is playing herbivores

[tepid parrot]

Heya ! Can anybody tell us on which server there is AIs on HT plz ?? (I'm playin on EU)

[austere sphinx]

im curious too on which servers ai's spawn or is it all servers?

[tepid parrot]

They doesn't spawn on EU5 EU4 EU3, i'm trying EU 1 and 2 rn

[austere sphinx]

ive tried eu 1 and 2 they dont seem to spawn at all

think im gonna have to play us servers -_-

[tepid parrot]

Yeah i'm doing the same... That's so sad

[austere sphinx]

im going to try US 3, ill let u know if i find any 😄

[tepid parrot]

Yeah there is definitely AIs lmao

[austere sphinx]

i havent found any yet, are u on same server?

[tepid parrot]

US3 yup

And there is a lot of AIs around me x)

[austere sphinx]

xD guess im the only one at my spot so it takes time for them to spawn i think

[tepid parrot]

Yeah surely

[obtuse meadow]

Mid tier would be what I expect to see most. The smallest tiers like Troodon, are probably very uncommon, due to the skill required for solo take downs against most of the roster, I suspect Ptera would follow the same if fish weren't present (+shorefishing).

The most common playables should become quick growing midteirs with strong combat viability.

[uncut yarrow]

Hi, I put my dinosaur to sleep and exited the game two days ago. Now when I log back in, my dinosaur is gone. What's the problem?

[austere sphinx]

they reset all dinosaves on hordetesting because of update

[uncut yarrow]

thank you

[spiral fern]

Are fish still having spawn issues on hordetesting?

[final skiff]

#ai-feedback message
I was rooting for this Carno, but then the Rexes showed up and just two of them shredded the whole group of Dibble.
Imagine if the Dibble had locked in and actually tried to form a wall when those heavy footsteps entered the area!

[quaint jolt]

Well, didn't know fish took swimming classes these days! This school isn't even the one with the best grades! Colour me impressed, coming from a pteranodon

[slim berry]

Is there a list of servers with/without AI?

[pure oriole]

Do fishes not spawn on eu servers?

[tepid parrot]

Nop, but no EU servers have any AI (except fishes)
As i know, Only US3 have AIs
(I'm talking about HT ofc)

[stiff heron]

this wouldbe a great idea imo. maybe not larger creatures but if you're smaller the compysmight fight you to defend their food
#ai-feedback message

[unreal mango]

Congrats, Diablo AI is strong and smart now LOL

I remember when they used to Z walk while hitting the air, now they know when to hit and when to run, and they use more mechanics

https://tenor.com/view/they're-learning-from-their-mistakes-lara-croft-tomb-raider-the-legend-of-lara-croft-they've-learned-their-lesson-netflix-gif-17678760651536267069

[undone pewter]

I came here to ask this. I've not played in months and have found so much has changed.

I've not been keeping up with changes so I don't know what's going on 🥲

[manic portal]

After reset I see them but once depleted don't see respawns anywhere

[obtuse meadow]

How long ago did fish problems on hordetest start?

Prior to the "we fall through rocks" and "Return of ping tides" events, I was able to easily find schooling fish as Ptera, while this does not indicate the state of Deino, who partially relies on Elite fish, I did see a fairly large Deino while lag was an issue as Beipi.

[final skiff]

That ROCKS!! Honestly, the whole reason I’ve seen as few as Two Rex wipe out a herd this size is because the Dibbles just panicked and scattered, so they could be picked off one by one. If they had them act like this, but phalanx instead of chasing you, they’d be perfect 👌

#ai-feedback message
Watching Dibble hunting over and over again on this horde test is what got me drawing all of this, and I absolutely WILL be drawing a BUNCH more of these.

Imagine Hypsi-like Ai in Sanctuaries that jump up on things to avoid predators, while jumping down to hit and run carnivores. Maybe burrowing Ai like Tacos having full on Warrens that they retreat into and can be dug out of, but their buddies will gang up on carnivores that are locked into a digging animation.

[native gyro]

I have not played this game for months. There is so much ai now that i am finally able to enjoy my dino. Its nice to play now, im not playing starving simulator

I was talking about HT btw

[manic portal]

#ai-feedback message

you cook fish for 7 minutes, been that way for years

[blissful oar]

Ah im assuming you were the ping. Yeah I’m aware, but that’s something you pick up after you either come across someone who does it or you look it up. It should just be available when you start, it’s also a lot better for newer players that way.

Most people that start out just grab the fish and swallow it and tbf, why wouldn’t you if you don’t know about it?

[manic portal]

it's a hardcore sim. learn the hard way

[blissful oar]

I feel like finding food as a baby deino is hard enough without adding a random niche mechanic that one simply cannot know about without outside input

[manic portal]

it's a hardcore sim. learn the hard way

not sure what else to say man

[blissful oar]

Ok

[manic portal]

hardcore. you put time in. if you don't want to put time in, play something else

your suggestion to put the schooling fish on the diet tray is good but I don't think putting up a banner saying YOU GOTTA COOK THESE THINGS is.

otherwise, where is the learning curve?

my problem with AI is there isn't usually enough of them

although in the last 2 days I've seen more fish than ever

[blissful oar]

My intent is more that you learn this when you grow up and eat a rotten body you come across somewhere and you make the connection with “oh I can eat rotten food, so maybe rotten ai too”

But I feel like it shouldn’t be part of the learning curve where AI, cannibalism or a really REALLY lucky encounter is your only source of food ya know

But I get your issue with it

And it is noted

[manic portal]

that's where time in comes in 'growing up'

the cooking fish thing is quite niche and yeah you're right, you don't learn that unless you interact with other players

[blissful oar]

But ya can’t really grow up when your growth rate hits around 0 due to lack of diet

[silver raven]

That hasn't been fixed yet ? damn

[blissful oar]

Pretty sure it’s a feature of scavengers tbf bubulblu

[silver raven]

If it is then it's the most stupid feature this game ever had

[manic portal]

but if you remove that or add such a banner to emphasize it, doesn't it decrease player interactivity?

[blissful oar]

Hmm for deino specifically I doubt it. You’re always looking for better options than that, especially when schooling fish don’t do anything after juvi stage

[manic portal]

dont pteras do the same thing tho?

[blissful oar]

Pteras cant eat rotten fish, it’s limited to deino and cera

[manic portal]

fair enough

i've played deino 95% of the time

[blissful oar]

https://tenor.com/view/arms-crossed-flex-muscles-gif-14905270

I do that or other ambush cuse I love stalking as deino

[blissful oar]

That’s a bold claim

[manic portal]

youth deino relies on schooling fish, then elite fish for the most part, and scavanging

the biggest issue i've seen recently is there isn't any fish. although the last 2 days I've seen more fish than ever

[blissful oar]

Yeah I wouldn’t mind schooling fish rotting to get the diet if elite fish was available as a juvi, but it simply isnt

[manic portal]

well once you get to 10%, you can eat elite fish

[blissful oar]

Cuse you will die of starvation before that if you only find elite fish

[silver raven]

"You have a diet list. You can only gain nutrients from animals on that list, unless it's rotten because ???????"
Do you even know what rotting does to living organisms

[blissful oar]

Scavengers moment

[silver raven]

Being a scavenger should allow you to eat rotten meat without puking, that's it

[blissful oar]

Also yes im aware what rotting is, I’ve had biology

[silver raven]

If something doesn't have the nutrients you need, then the nutrients won't magically appear inside once it starts rotting

[manic portal]

specific dino species can eat rotting for a reason man

[silver raven]

That entire thing is an oversight which, imo, just hasn't been fixed yet because deino is so miserable it odesn't need fixing rn

[silver raven]

There's a difference between eating rotten things and letting them rot so they become part of your diet

[blissful oar]

Pretty sure its also to encourage them from eating rotting bodies that they would normally have no benefit from

[manic portal]

how else is it gonna rot?

[silver raven]

Well tbh the entire diet system is stupid rn, but that has to be the worst part of it

[silver raven]

How it rots is not the question

[manic portal]

my bad I missed the point. explain pls

[silver raven]

The question is how tf does an animal ever benefit from letting its food rot before eating it, unless it's a cera building up bacteria

[manic portal]

crocs are similar, they eat everything

[silver raven]

Crocs will eat fresh meat any time before rotten meat
Because rotting has no benefit at all to the food

[manic portal]

well this is a video game and not irl, nor do dinosaurs roam the earth

[silver raven]

The fact it can it carrion is fine

The fact it gains something out of eating carrion it can't get out of the same meat before rotting is beyond idiotic

[silver raven]

Even videogames have to make sense

[manic portal]

I can see that

[manic portal]

so what you are basically saying is a juvy croc shouldn't have to cook fish at all because it should just be an inherit part of the diet?

[silver raven]

It shouldn't be able to gain nutrients from something that isn't on its diet, no matter if it's rotten or not

[manic portal]

croc and cera are the only 2 that gain nutrients from rotten afaik

[silver raven]

And nothing in the game should do that

[manic portal]

that's part of the game then, you're arguing an invalid point

[silver raven]

Deino or cera gaining nutrients from a rotten body from an animal on its diet is fine
Gaining nutrients from something not on their diet because it's rotten is absurd

[silver raven]

It's either an oversight or a terrible feature that makes no sense

[manic portal]

I don't agree. deino and cera are the only 2 species that gain from eating rotten food. what you're talking about would remove 'rotten' from the game

[silver raven]

no

That's not at all what I'm talking about

Being a scavenger doesn't mean you should be able to bypass the diet system altogether

[manic portal]

and why not? that's what scavengers do

vultures irl exist

[silver raven]

Then write "can eat everything" in their diet, don't give them a list

If the list has no purpose

[manic portal]

that's not the point.

[silver raven]

But tbh diet lists are very bad and need to change

[manic portal]

the diet tray says what you should eat

[silver raven]

It literally is

[manic portal]

but deinos and ceras have a special ability

which adds depth

[silver raven]

Unless it's rotten, then you can eat it even if it's not on your diet > Bypassing the entire diet system

[silver raven]

Removes depth*

[manic portal]

that literally only applies to schooling fish for juvies and then rot for anything else

[silver raven]

So everything

[manic portal]

but anything on the diet tray, rotted or not, adds nutrients

[silver raven]

I have a feeling you either don't read or don't understand what I write

[manic portal]

I read well, I'm missing your point

[silver raven]

My point is simple

If it's not on the diet list then it's not on the diet. Right ? You're not supposed to eat it

Or at least, not get nutrients from it

Do you agree with that ?

[manic portal]

I disagree

[silver raven]

Why ?

[manic portal]

Because deino and cera are special and can eat rotted

so maybe put rotted on the diet table

would that be sufficient?

[silver raven]

"Can eat rotten" doesn't equal "can ignore their own diet list"

[silver raven]

That's not a matter of what's on the diet list but a question of how rotting affects food and wether it's perceived as "diet food" or not

cera and deino are scavengers, I get that. They can eat things even if they are rotten. That's cool. So if they find a dead body of something on their diet, they get full benefit from it. That's what scavengers do. Awesome.

BUT there is an issue that if anything is rotten, no matter if it's on the list or not, then it magically becomes part of their diet, just because it's rotten

That makes no sense and actually just allows them to ignore the diet system entirely, at which point, why even give them a diet list ?

[manic portal]

ahhhh I seee

So put rotting on the diet table and call it good

[silver raven]

"rotting" isn't a species
That's still not my point

[manic portal]

how often are you finding rotten though?

it's usually gone by the time you can get there as a deino, idk about cera

[silver raven]

Fresh fish meat = yucky (for deino)

Rotten fish meat = Yummy, for some reason ?

That's my issue

[manic portal]

Fresh fish meat = no nutrients, still yummy

Rotten fish meat = super yummy, nutrients

[silver raven]

No, that's not how it works
Rotting cannot possibly make something better nutrients-wise

[manic portal]

different animals need different things

[silver raven]

That's not the point

[manic portal]

at this point, I think it is

so in your argument, NOTHING should be able to eat rotten food. is that right?

[silver raven]

I know what my point is
Not my fault if you don't understand, I don't think I can explain it in an even simpler way

[silver raven]

Absolutely not

[manic portal]

explain pls

[silver raven]

Rotten food, for scavengers, should be at best equal to fresh food
Not better
Because rotting cannot make food better

Especially if said food wasn't part of your diet before rotting

[manic portal]

vultures irl eat mostly dead food. why is that?

the breaking down of live flesh induces other biology. some animals benefit from those

and we're talking about dinosaurs so... maybe 2 species are special

i don't think the rotten system is broken at all

maybe put rotten on the diet tray

even still, there's 0 tutorial in this game and the only way players understand these niche concepts is by game / player interaction

would you disagree with that?

[manic portal]

you mean at best equal to fresh food, because they are already at least equal, hence why deinos and cera can eat them

[silver raven]

Because they're not equipped to kill things
Vultures don't prefer rotten meat over fresh meat

They just don't care

[silver raven]

Yes

[manic portal]

"Many species, known as scavengers, are specifically adapted to eat rotten or decaying organic matter and derive nutritional benefits from it. This essential ecological role prevents the accumulation of decaying matter and helps recycle nutrients in the environment.

scavangers gain nutrients from rotted food

[silver raven]

They can't recycle nutrients that don't exist, which is what deino and cera do right now

[manic portal]

Humans cannot eat rotten food, but other animals can.

[silver raven]

The nutrients they gain don't exist in the first place

[manic portal]

A decaying body gives a lot of nutrients dude..

[silver raven]

Not more than a fresh one

[manic portal]

Idk about more, but different kinds

[silver raven]

Not different kinds either
Rotting doesn't generate new nutrients

[manic portal]

It sure does

[silver raven]

bruh I'm done

[manic portal]

Go watch animal planet

[silver raven]

You should watch it too

[manic portal]

I'm happy to keep talking about it dude, no reason to get upset

"Yes, decaying bodies provide different nutrients (or rather, released forms) than live bodies, acting as concentrated nutrient bombs that fuel ecosystems by breaking down complex organic matter (proteins, fats, DNA) into simpler, bioavailable forms like ammonia, nitrates, phosphates, calcium, potassium, and trace minerals, significantly enriching the soil with essential elements that plants and other organisms use for new life, a stark contrast to the nutrient-hoarding of living organisms. "

[silver raven]

Would you enjoy talking to someone who needs the same thing explained 5 times in a row, only to still not understand after the fifth time ?

[manic portal]

Different animals break down chemicals differently