ai-feedback-discussion

[timber island]

but mainly rappie

[misty gale]

Bleed in general

[timber island]

the more pounces the bigger the wound is

but the more pounces it multiplies the bleeding not just adds a lil

so 3 pounces cause quite a lot of bleeding but 4 cause considerably more

[dense stump]

having a squad of herraras is a death sentance for a solo dino of they're in a forrest

[timber island]

man everytime im playing rappie and i get bonked by a herrera i get to like 3% blood

... in 1 minute

[dense stump]

oh damm

[misty gale]

That's if you even survive

[timber island]

the other day i survived on 1% blood

[timber island]

to be fair rappie has horrible bleed resistance

if you get pounced by any other rappie you bleed out very quickly

1 single pounce is already deadly

[dense stump]

So haw many pounces without healing the bleed would it take to kill a cera?

[misty gale]

Well

[timber island]

4-5 4 second long pounces

[dense stump]

A guess it good

[timber island]

but he has to be moving around

if he stays still he'll bleed way less than if he moves

[dense stump]

True

[timber island]

so try to get him to chase you down and stuff

[misty gale]

If you get a double pounce which does more bleed damage if you both put your stam into it they'll usually bleed out

[dense stump]

yeah

[timber island]

in my case i bled a 60% cera out as a 45% rappie with 2 6 second long pounces

[dense stump]

double pounce?

[misty gale]

Have two raptors on the same target at the same time

[timber island]

that is literally a death sentence 💀

no chance anyone survives that

[dense stump]

I was sorta talking about herrera

[misty gale]

Drains stamina as well

[timber island]

with herrera just jump on his head

watch him bleed tf out in a minute

[dense stump]

still deadly right?

[timber island]

absolutely

[misty gale]

Ah herra just jump on them. Probably about 2 or 3 head pounces will kill him

[timber island]

they massively increased the damage and the bleed

[dense stump]

would it do the kock over animation on a fully grown cera?

[misty gale]

No

[timber island]

it would stun him tho

and you as well ^^

[dense stump]

so you could get away if skilled

[misty gale]

Yes

[timber island]

even while not being skilled you can get away easily

[dense stump]

yeah

[timber island]

before this update herrera wasnt really op

now it's an absolute killing machine

they increased the damage by like 5 times and the bleed by like 20 times

[dense stump]

the nice thing is the hp is bad to balence it

[timber island]

yis

[dense stump]

So wird that hogs are angry towards me now 😦

[misty gale]

The boars are hostile to literally everything now

Even other ai

[dense stump]

jezzz

[misty gale]

Saw a boar chase down a goat and kill it

[dense stump]

damm

what ai is worth killing as a herrera juvi?

[timber island]

can't really kill any

they detect you too esaily

[misty gale]

Yeah that is one thing I wish they would change is if they couldn't detect you as easily in the trees

[dense stump]

then you'd be a scavanger.

[dense stump]

so ture

[timber island]

herreras are scavengers

[dense stump]

like a stealth bonus

[misty gale]

Anyways I gotta head to bed so I'll see yall latee

[timber island]

cya

[dense stump]

cya

[timber island]

theres nothing to do for herrera

if you camp a jungle good luck seeing any player going thru there

good frickin luck

[dense stump]

I stay i nthe open

[timber island]

the map is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too big for anyone to go there

[dense stump]

but it's open with lots of trees

[timber island]

the only place where herrera has a chance of killing anything is in east plains

anywhere else aint happening

[dense stump]

this the area I hang out most of the time

[lusty cairn]

Tbh yeah
The only time I got to pounce was south on a wounded cera that bled out in seconds due to carnos attacking it and me finishing it off ;P
The other time was me pouncing a cera alone and it just sorta walked out of my distance from any tree and sat down

The one other time was when our group attacked some tenos but we couldnt exactly kill them because well they kept running and eventually made it to somewhere open

[lusty cairn]

Can someone review this before I post it? I dont know much about boars

Boars not so Hyper Aggressive!

Boars are no longer as blood thirsty, and instead their hostility will depend on the creature it is targeting

Boars flee or do not engage with creatures larger than themselves, however will defend themselves if the player gets too close
When confronting a creature of similar size, boars will become very vocal and trot around before attacking
Smaller creatures will cause boars to grunt shortly before charging in their direction if the player is not concealed by foliage or water

Introduce visual and sound cues for boars

Boars will smell the air when 'sensing' a creature to confront, then go to their direction
They may chose to scavenge scraps over attacking smaller creature, but do not tolerate sharing corpses
Boars will produce various vocalizations for their hostile or neutral phases
Larger male boars can be found alone or competing with other males. Females can be found with a small family of piglets or young boar

-Or... something along the lines of making boar not airdrop 5 feet from a rested and or wounded dinosaur would be nice.. that and boar walking up to full grown tenos to attack them is crazy..

[frozen elm]

Had one spawn next to me drinking recently, instantly slapped me with a bleed before I could even finish the drinking animation. Lol So I completely agree with everything above!

[lusty cairn]

D:
A boar spawned at me on this rock and didnt move for a whole 11 minutes until I had to go get diet, then it charged me! Im a sub adult teno..
really hope they do end up changing aggressive ai

[swift drift]

I miss my ai tenos...

[silver raven]

@rich prairie You ARE the food

[sage orchid]

AI sometimes spawns on top of the fences, if this hasnt been mentioned yet lol

[brisk pulsar]

I have found the sea turtles they are way to rare

[novel glade]

@river yacht you mean the playable or the scavenger

[river yacht]

Scavenger

[novel glade]

why

[river yacht]

Because they add nothing to the game but pure frustration. Obnoxious to try to hit, they can fly around you and still bite you, their collision is dumb where you just stop moving if you run into them. So very many reasons why they’re one of the worst additions to the game. Completely unnecessary too, compys did their job of clearing bodies just fine

[desert temple]

spider goat!!!

[supple gulch]

i do agree they are a nusiance, they added them cause of to much food dosnt get eaten up and makes servers lag or so i have no idea. but if they still want them in atleast they could just make em spawn later like 5 or 10min later so you can eat in peace instead of beeing attacked, and yeah they are pain for smaller dinos

[river yacht]

Agreed, and I mean there’s really no reason for them to attack players in the first place lol compys don’t attack people, they just clear bodies. I can’t wrap my head around what they were thinking when they implemented it

[supple gulch]

my best gues is, to get rid of food faster for performance than giving uss chance to eat the food >>

and yeah, make em not attack would be the best

[river yacht]

The number of times I’ve lost a baby Dino cause I fought a pig, killed it, then the pteras killed me while I was healing lol

[supple gulch]

yup

[spare gorge]

I haven’t been killed by those since they got nerfed lol

[supple gulch]

xD same. but pigs will lol

[spare gorge]

They need a turning circle lol

[supple gulch]

xD yeah lol

[rugged wedge]

The fact that they mostly only come when you get food is annoying

[warm widget]

I got stuck in a tree. How can I get rid of it?

[woeful yoke]

Posted this in the steam discussion as well, looking for other people's observations:

I heard somewhere that AI spawn more frequently the more players there are in an area. This seems to match reality for the most part where there are more boars/goats/deer spawning at South East lake than there are carnivores to feed on them, leaving tons of rotting bodies around. Meanwhile if you travel up and down River Delta, you will likely never see a single AI spawn of any kind.

It also seems like AI tend to spawn in small specific areas and then wander around a bit. Things like fish schools seem to spawn in particular spots every time with little variation.

I want to try to better understand what controls how AI spawn, because I suspect there is a problem in the logic that it uses, in particular that it seems to favor putting more AI where there are more players. To me it seems obvious that AI should be spawning less where there are large numbers of players, and more frequently when there is only a single player nearby (playing a carnivore that could hunt them).

So, what do you know or have noticed about AI spawns? Which combination of 1 and 2 seems most accurate?

1a) AI have a chance to spawn in a completely random location near the player
1b) AI have a chance to spawn within a fixed spawn zone when the player is near enough
1c) AI have a chance to spawn at a fixed spawn point when the player is near enough

2a) The chance of an AI spawn is low but constant
2b) The chance of an AI spawn is greater when there are other nearby players
2c) The chance of an AI spawn is lower when there are other nearby players

[limber flume]

**1a) **AI have a chance to spawn in a completely random location near the player

I've literally had AI spawn right on top of me in a river, multiple times, when I was all by myself with no other players calling or heard around; I doubt an ai spawn would be directly in water. I can't say I've noticed patterns for the 2 option, though.

[woeful yoke]

what was the type of ai? what was the location in the river?

[limber flume]

Boars, near center river's long bridge in the middle of the map, and the beachy area a bit more upriver. Plonked right down out of thin air

https://i.gyazo.com/c30ca3030b2b102b5adcd78f8a325f31.jpg

These areas

[woeful yoke]

interesting, I've never seen non-aquatics spawn in a river, much less on top of me, but they certainly don't have qualms running into the water
have you seen boars spawn in the areas on the sides of the river there frequently?

[limber flume]

Enough to not be surprised when they do, yes. It seems AI spawns like to be near players, but I can't speak to their spawn hook distance 😦

It feels more like they're not spawning in specific locations, moreso 'around a player at %randomized distance'

[lusty cairn]

1a)
2d) Certain AI refuse to spawn in specific parts of the map and spawn inconsistently

Non of the 2s matched what ive notices ;/

On my last playthrough of herra I roamed swamps and delta and goats refused to spawn whereas boars spawned and very rarely deer
Crab, sea turtles, rabbits, and chickens have been nonexistent throughout all my playthroughs.

I have had a goat spawn on a fence and frogs spawn directly inside of me when around water as a herra though......

[woeful yoke]

Yes, I have ecountered very few AI in the jungles, coasts, or swamps since they removed the AI tenos, which did spawn in those areas. I don't think rabbits spawn at all currently, and the only chickens I've seen were in plains or highlands.

It could be that some zones have no AI spawning in them, but my suspicion is that we aren't seeing AI in these areas because all the AI slots are taken up at the hotspots.

Interesting to see about the herra, this to me would hint that it might try to spawn AI near the player using a pathfinding algorithm to look for an empty spot a particular distance from the player. If you are on a fence where there's no connection to the ground, I guess it finds the only free spot to spawn is somewhere else on the fence

I'd be curious if anyone ever saw an AI spawn near them on the ground while they were in a tree as herra

[lusty cairn]

While in a tree as a herra you can see ai drop down and spawn around you
Boars especially.. they like to spawn near you and sometimes they will stay staring at your tree until you come down, then will promptly attack you..
Frogs from what Ive seen have even spawned on me when sitting on a mountain side as herra and on dams. Them spawning on top of me was so consistent it saved me from dying to starvation

Yeah I can see why they dont spawn in less populated areas if the amount of AI is already maxed in one place

I also found deer look for water as an escape. While hunting one as a herra it kept darting for the water even though I kept trying to push it towards the forest
Its really odd their behavior tells them to go to water
Boars will attack full grown tenos for some reason too..
AI can detect deinos underwater(iirc) and herras in trees.
AI also spawns at herbivores so they could be taking up AI slots as well..

[tiny bobcat]

do AI eat deaceased players cause i killed a carno and compys ate it away in 3mins or is it a bug?

[woeful yoke]

yes they do

[twin hound]

Why did they remove AI Tenos I liked them they good and easy sources of organs for smaller carnivores

[hoary holly]

@twin hound boars are like that because they tried to prevent afk growing

[silver raven]

They removed them because they were an easy source of organs for carnivores

[timber island]

me when you can still afk grow even with boars being aggro

[timber island]

the deer speedhacking is the funniest thing ive seen in ages

however i completely agree with that statemetn

[zinc valve]

how to buy spino

how to buy spino?

[merry spade]

when you find out, let me know 😉

[willow nexus]

Its only on unofficial servers that have it enabled

[hushed wyvern]

Why ? I spend again my time to describe the mighty force of Boars 🐗 just to see how it will deleted

[rigid minnow]

Normal AI like boar, deer and goats don't have a stamina pool do they?

[trail wigeon]

Probably no

[naive thicket]

I think they might... I'm not sure. I was playing as a beipi some time ago and I would lead boar into the water where they'd eventually sink and drown, so it makes me think they do have stam

[winter laurel]

@odd delta 2 things: 1) the game is set in modern times (think 90s), so no prehistoric rhino, elephant, etc. Lore is roughly similar to Jurassic park -- mad genetic scientists trying to make the perfect dino kind of deal (with a few other scifi elements tossed in as well).

2): none of the apexes should be easy to feed. Otherwise, why would anyone ever choose to play a lower power playable? Apexes are the strongest you can possibly get (excluding hypers, etc), which also means they need to be high risk to grow and keep alive

[silver raven]

@quick topaz Predation

[quick topaz]

Huh?

[silver raven]

Boars are omnivores. They will eat what they can kill.

[quick topaz]

I've never seen it

[trail bridge]

It's true. Matter of fact, all swines are omnivorous- both wild and domesticated. If you've ever watched the Wizard of Oz and remember the scene of Dorothy falling into the pig pen, it wasn't because they were worried about her getting her dress dirty. Pigs are kind of notorious among farmers for being opportunistic, and those tusks are as effective as fangs when it comes to goring prey and predators alike. Wild boars themselves are extremely aggressive and hunting them is an extremely dangerous affair. They won't turn their nose up at a fresh meal after successfully defending themselves.

[broken wave]

True dat

[high heron]

I've seen a picture of a wild hog destroying a deer fawn, they go for everything. Their ingame behavior is pretty accurate lmao

[winter laurel]

@rugged hill boars are incredibly aggressive irl and honestly probably would be more aggressive to something "small" (in dino terms) than say, a rex or stego. However... They definitely need to improve the AI detection and decision logic. A juvi may aggro a boar but then they need 1) the boat should eventually lose aggro 2) the juvi should be able to do things to avoid detection by AI, like hiding, and 3) juvis should be able to either defend themselves, hide, or escape. Death should be because the player messed up, not because the AI are omniscient, have infinite stamina and can outrun most juvis

[thorny dragon]

@stuck owl DM evidence like that to the admins please, and this is the wrong channel for reporting hackers

[stuck owl]

Where do I send it?

the army was cheating

[thorny dragon]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-na and/or #evrima-eu to see how to make a report, and info such as names and IDs can be shared privately with an admin in dms

[stuck owl]

our game is ruined

[rigid minnow]

Oh boy if deer are on your diet this bug has been fruitful.

[final gate]

Absolutely

[rigid minnow]

The new AI take fall DMG (?) I just watched a goat slide down a slope and instantly die, is this why there are so many dead deer?

[naive thicket]

#ai-feedback message

Herreras can very easily kill raptors. If not from damage then with bleed. If you don't sit down pretty much immediately after you get pounced from a decent height, you will bleed out.

[slender tangle]

I think they meant young herra,
Otherwise yes, once herra is older it’s very easy to kill omni

[iron kelp]

#ai-feedback message I don't think God himself could prevent Isle players from afk growing

because honestly what else is there to do half the time aside from sit down?

if anything I think the challenge it poses to freshspawns is kinda interesting

because it's about the most effort the game requires for your playthrough outside of pvp

so some form of challenge isn't a bad idea

[timber island]

🤷‍♂️

theres thousands of places to afk grow

and nobody can prevent it

[iron kelp]

I mean at least the poor boar puts up a fight

not the end of the world

[timber island]

thing is them just going insane at juvies is uh

[iron kelp]

its funny lol

[timber island]

i mean it really is but

[iron kelp]

im sure the juvi can hunt other au

like goat if they need the diet

[timber island]

imagine the juvie cera being slaughtered by the boar who detected it from 700 km away

boars eat meat and that's fine

but they r just a lil crazy

[iron kelp]

fair enough

[timber island]

like let's be real boars are omnivores and aggressive

they are like tanks oml

you need like 10 dogs to take one down smh

but they dont go insane at everything that lives without even seeing it

[crisp thorn]

Does anyone know what a rabbit sounds like?

[charred dew]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Q6qpx2mbsTA
somthing like this in game, you won't mistake it as a deer

[crisp thorn]

Ok, thanks

[wary terrace]

This thing about logging out and when you log in your dinosaur is dead, it's rotten, let's work on developers....

[rich basalt]

Post this into the general feedback channel and report the bug. Posting bugs here doesn’t do much

[silver raven]

This is one of the worst channels to post a bug report to

[rigid minnow]

Elite fish in the ocean? That's neat.

[ebon cairn]

There's still just no fish in the rivers or ponds

20 minutes of flying around water, nothing

[rigid minnow]

West Access tends to have some in the river consistently, they seem to spawn in the same spots.

[signal hill]

how about you guys fix your dumb ai flyer like it should not be that hard to kill. I'm a herra and getting hit by a flyer ai from 5 feet above my head and I can't hit it!! maybe do the basic stuff for the game and fix your broken ai's!

[rigid minnow]

In the horde-test they rarely spawn, it's something they're working on.

[delicate stream]

I noticed that few days ago some strange bug started to happen. Fish big and smal spawns and despawn right away
never saw that bug before
happend again just when i finished typing this. fish spawn and despawn in 2-3 sec

[sacred cape]

Its almost impossible to hunt anything as no ai is left in horde testing as ptera. No stam, no night vision, no food. 😔

[thorny dragon]

@tender crow Psst, in here

[tender crow]

I noticed, it's not actually that bad to have it there, too.

[half igloo]

Since the ai feedback cooldown prevents any kind of convo I'm messaging here-- what would be a better alternative to big game AI spawns then? The massive problem with them as it stands is that there are just too many of them to where carnivores never have to go to migration zones. Meanwhile, with the influx of herbs on horde rn, I've actually witnessed two different times where I've been beaten to migration zones where all of the food has been picked clean.

Likely because there aren't enough carnivores making it to adulthood to reliably hunt em. I'm loving the big herbivore boom BUT there does need to be a bit of balance there.

Not only that, but there are a ton of empty wastelands on the map nobody goes to-- the entire west side beyond the south river, for one, and part of it is because nothing ever really spawns there food-wise.

[tender crow]

I think just spawning them around the map or in certain areas but not reliable enough to actually pull/keep carnivore player there is probably a better idea.
Basically you may find some in a migration zone or you may found some outside, for example while travelling.

[half igloo]

Another idea would just entail making big game AI incredibly rare in comparison to small game, but that introduces another problem of artificial scarcity especially if the server pop drops.

[tender crow]

Kind of how you find random dead bodies.

[half igloo]

That could be one way to handle it, but the reason we have AI being airdropped to players was to mitigate AI piling up uselessly around the map unfortunately. Prior to the airdrop method you could fly out onto islands as ptera that nothing else could reach and find like, 20 deer and teno AI stuck inside each other. That's why I brought up putting them in MZs-- you're not directly being spoonfed and have to travel and we get SOME form of randomly spawning AI around the map again.

I personally enjoyed when AI just spawned all over the place and you had to seek them out yourself, but I know performance is one of the big reasons the spawn algorithm got changed to just drop them in front of players.

A third option could actually be limiting AI spawns based on server capacity.

If the server is 90% full or above, big AI spawns could be automatically disabled.

75% full and they spawn infrequently, but still enough that you might find one at a crucial moment if you really search around.

50% full and they spawn a bit more often but still nowhere near "walk into EP and find 40 goats" level.

Anywhere below 30% populated and AI spawns boom again.

Obviously with some variables in between those percentage gaps for a more smooth transition, but yeah.

I've always wanted AI to be location based too instead of spawning everything in one clump, sort of like RDR2. Want to find boars? Go into the swamp. Deer? Forests and clearings. Rabbits? Open field. Goats? Higher elevation.

Spiro unironically did AI spawning by region a little better.

[tender crow]

That would really screw over smaller or juvi carnivores on full servers. Unless it's only about the bigger AI.

[half igloo]

Nah I solely mean big AI like deer, boar, and goat.

Small AI should be everywhere, always.

And I still feel all carnivores should have small AI on their diets to start with, then "grow out of them" like how herbs get dynamic diets that change with MZ relocations.

[tender crow]

I think in a sense it should feel like the Spiro system - as in AI seems to exist around the map does it's thing until you find it - but you don't actually need all the AIs sitting there in remote areas all the time.

[half igloo]

And just as I mentioned in my feedback, small and specialized animals like ptera, herrera, troodon, and so on would keep the small animals on their diets even at 100% growth. Something like an omni or dilo, however, would lose things like bullfrog on its diet as it grows up. It could still eat them for food to mirror herb grazing, but get nothing from it.

[tender crow]

Maybe instead of dropping in AI near players they could spawn at some distance to players with a bias towards lower population areas.

[half igloo]

Yeah, that's what would be ideal. I feel like a "donut radius" for spawns would be nice. Lemme throw up a quick n dirty mockup.

[tender crow]

Also it's kind of annoying when AI is put in places you just checked.

[half igloo]

I almost wonder if a cone radius would be better, but then that leads to dropping AI right in front of players again, hmm

Lemme try something.

Donut spawn ring: AI won't ever spawn directly on players or in line of sight, but will spawn close enough you can hear them and find them a bit more naturally. RDR2 does something similar to this.

Conal spawn would be more or less the same, but they'll only spawn in the direction you're facing and your peripherals to reduce AI dropping where you've run past already.

AI having location nodes dotted around the map would work in conjunction with a spawn radius shown above, making players travel to different areas/biomes where those animals should be found (ala Spiro days) instead of just shoveling food into their faces ad nauseum.

I've had frogs drop on my herrera's head in trees before, far from any water source. That 100% should never be a thing.

[tender crow]

I wonder if it is feasible to make players "paint" the map so basically you won't spawn AI in areas where that center circle has been recently.

[half igloo]

That's an excellent addition to the radius spawn idea, yeah. That way AI won't just keep dropping in the same areas you're loitering in, making you move on-- and you won't have them spawning behind you.

It would also encourage grouped players to spread out a bit while on the hunt to "cast a wider net" for food instead of being spoonfed solely by having bigger numbers. Overlapping cones should not double AI spawn chances.

Similarly to how herbs have to split up for their diet food once they reach migration zones. Splitting people up naturally = more chances to hunt for other predators that might be out there.

[brittle quarry]

Actually on horde testing are elite fish?

or no?

are ia?

[warm patrol]

Are AI enabled on horde testing? i dont see any

[timber island]

nope they aint

[tiny bobcat]

AI ? yeah just got back

[marsh bridge]

ive seen plenty of water ai, just no others

[knotty steeple]

Only fish and frogs are enabled currently

[feral sundial]

Theres way too much AI on regular branch, and I did see some of the benefits that not having bunches of AI brought.... but I really dont like where some people are trying to take this conversation.

Imo, no medium or large ai at all is going to ruin the ability to play or enjoy a large part of the game for a big part of the player base.

IMO, maybe something like areas that either dont spawn AI or only spawn small AI exist, and perhaps they move(maybe some how related to how migration zone moves? idk if or how it should be correlated, but seems to make sense if you then have multiple moving 'zones' or conditions for zones....)

I really hope this doesnt get taken to the extremes(either no AI, or only small ai.... both of which seem like bad solutions completely to me)

That said, WAYYYY too much AI on regular branch(no tenos atm tho?) I think actually large (not just medium like deer and boar and goat) AI is really important to keeping this game in a place where its healthy and not just enjoyable, but even just bearable for all but the most dedicated no lifers among us

That said, keeping SOME large AI, while also making room(on this enormous and gorgeous map) for scarcity(make people actually use it all!) is definitely probably a good idea!

In total, please keep AI, including medium and actually large AI! please!!! 🥺 but.... less for sure is probably more! XD

[mortal umbra]

This game Don't really need AI to work, just wen the servers have less than 80 or 70 players active.

More than that just the fat fishes and tiny bots are necessary.

[feral sundial]

I think it seems more that way because of this brief test than is actually the case... It could be made to work for sure without it, but I suspect that it would need major changes, probably not for the better, for that to 'work' in the long run....

Theres also a difference between 'needing' something and if it is or isnt helpful or harmful.

I suspect no AI will improve some peoples experience slightly while completely destroying others, and that theres a nuanced middle ground that is actually and realistically achieveable

***I suspect no AI over time would result in increasing problems over time as the players adapted, and the 'fixes' for those adjustments would turn into an unhealthy game of whack a mole, trying to counter players adaptations and then players just finding new ways to the same ends anyways. I think AI bring real solutions to a handful of otherwise intractable problems, even if that comes with the struggle of trying to balance it properly

[rustic totem]

wrong channel

probably #general-feedback

[dry sparrow]

thanks i will post it there.

[final bane]

found where all the ai birds went in the hordtesting eu server yesterday. It was just a vortex of them right by the helly pad. Couldnt kill them tho

[dry ice]

I'd say Troodon's diet is mostly other Dinos. It doesn't have Deer in it's diet. It has Compy which is nice, and Rabbit which is almost impossible to find. Boar is also on it's diet, but it can't kill a Boar even as a sub

[calm anvil]

Do seaturtles spawn anymore?

[civic dust]

They do on horde test

[calm anvil]

I am on hordetest

havent seen any yet

[civic dust]

I ate 3 of them yesterday as dilo

[calm anvil]

what area

Playins as ptera, wonder if it affects spawning

[civic dust]

South west Beach

[calm anvil]

😯

[knotty bridge]

Havent seen any AI come to drink in the water. they seem to jump and and swim in random places. would be good if they have drinking zones, and crossing zones. I am new so maybe jsut havent found them yet. Also the AI Elite Fish seem to be super fast not and so hard to catch and kill.

[candid marten]

Unless they’ve changed it, I don’t think ai go to drink

If you’re playing dieno, your diet should also have no ai except fish and frog + players

[dusty marsh]

It seems they do. Also boars seem to go eat corpses. At least they go on them and do the animation. I dont know though if its just coincidence, but I've seen it.

[candid marten]

Huh that’s cool

Imagine getting eaten by a boar

[dusty marsh]

I think thats why they hunt you 😄

[haughty surge]

ok whats going on.... i have not heard a single boar,goat,deer in an hour.. compared to last night when boars wouldn't stop falling out of the sky...

[devout vortex]

YEEEEEES!! IT SO TERRIBLE

[delicate stream]

Have fish spawns been removed from smaler ponds?

[spare gorge]

Ai spawns are off on the high-population official servers

[devout vortex]

Spawns are broken on regular official servers, this is what we are talking about

[spare gorge]

Hmm, interesting

Normally I’ve been able to find ai well by simply waiting for a moment

[devout vortex]

they just spawn and disappear

[devout vortex]

or I hit the wall

[spare gorge]

Interesting, perhaps bug report it

[devout vortex]

do it

[tender heron]

by broken u mean not spawning?

[devout vortex]

they spawn, but very poorly

[tender heron]

i see, been playing for two hours now and havent seen a single ia

[regal spear]

ok so this is a beug? not intentionally reducing numbers?

[devout vortex]

I didn't understand your point

[regal spear]

I mean this is not intentional the desapearing of ai? i dont understand why change something that make the game so alive and fun

[devout vortex]

this bug was still in the tests, it wasn’t noticed or something, and was moved to the main evrima

[regal spear]

So it was intentional.

[devout vortex]

no, the AI ​​is dead, not only am I the only one who noticed this, I died of starvation 2 times on a Dilophosaurus due to the fact that bots did not spawn in that sector

[burnt laurel]

does someone know if fish spawn in lagoons? i never find them there

[knotty bridge]

I think there are more elite fish now, and there are plenty of fish spawns

in the big lakes

[silver forge]

Increase AI spawn..

[visual musk]

where is the AI.... 1st they mostly spawn est plans now not at all PLZZZZ fix this

[hazy cargo]

@thorny dragon Apologies, but where did I discuss anything from #ai-feedback out of place? I'll make sure to not do it again, just curious. Or was it the emoji response? It's his fault, I lost the game.

[fluid nymph]

Will the boars be back soon to the official servers? I wanna grow a carno but without boars and solo it's pretty rough

[dry sparrow]

just would have starved as a fresh deino in swamps. only found a dead herra and 2 dead fish to sustain me. not a single small fish swarm there. haven't checked the river going up north.

[feral sundial]

Starved as PT looking for food aggressively the whole time twice(did find some fish, but NOWHERE near enough to stay alive)

[naive thicket]

I'm going to starve as a troodon. This is miserable

[feral sundial]

Yeah, spent two lives as PT fishing nonstop, even through the darkest parts of the night... just nowhere near enough food. Even stopped and sniffed for other food. traveled from water access across to hushwood, stonehaven halfway to delta twice

found like 3-4 schools of fish

each life*

and they dissappeared before I had time to catch more than 2, if I hurried and used g to drop on land and go right back to fishing

which is super overkill, although I do enjoy playing PT that way.... when even that isnt enough to keep you alive its insane(with many other stam saving/maximizing techniques)

**I did ALOT of searching for almost nothing

over like a third of the map

[strange grove]

It's really hard to judge if there is enough AI when they don't make any calls as thats how i fins 90% of my food

[quiet verge]

Its how i grow my babies/juvi. how else are babies and juvies supposed to live AT ALL without starving?

am i supposed to hunt on the forums/discord/server chats for an adult mama to hunt and feed me? Lotta people like to throw around the "but its like that bc realism" sentence... Dinos didnt have message boards and discord vc servers to group up with so they could grow a baby (:

[sand rock]

currently impossible to solo grow as most carnos without ai. i understand making it more scarce but not a single ai seen from swamp to dam lake is insane

[stoic mulch]

Love this game, hate the nonsense that the devs spoonfeed us.. fix the ai

[ember raft]

anyone else having the issue where your computer crashes randomly while playing the isle

[north coral]

Unfortunately as is. AI is programmed to spawn closer to where players congrigate. Hot Spots.

[sand rock]

mmm, seems silly to add new spawns for some dinos and have no food there

[regal spear]

So ai hasnt get fix i suppose?

[dry sparrow]

Someone stated there are now more turtles spawning. Maybe expand the search-radius to coasts as well until fixed 😐?

[feral sundial]

Also checked north coast both lives. Been to the south coast multiple times since, havent seen any turtules yet. Havent seen a single turtle since right after gateway launched tbh, and Ive scoured north and south beach many times(massive waste of stam..... LOTS of looking)

[granite snow]

Where do the pterodactyl ai spawn at?

[north coral]

They're programmed to spawn around a dead body. Like the compys

[bitter moth]

Wouldn’t it be easier to just have the ai spawn like in legacy? I mean that system worked as far as I could tell

[proper barn]

Not having AI is very frustrating...

[rigid minnow]

The beaches between West Rail and SP consistently spawn turtles, pick a rock and sit or hover the area for 5 minutes and they'll likely spawn. That's where I tended to get them playing ptera.

Crabs I haven't seen however in a very long time.

[feral sundial]

Holy cow, talk about far away from anything and everything.......

[rigid minnow]

West Rail is a major migration for teno and pachy and SP sits between that and the Highlands migration for stegs and galli. It's not in the middle of nowhere.

[feral sundial]

I mean, highlands and south isnt. West is. Its so inconvenient to go from west to anything. Takes so long. Atleast south is right by swamp and delta and highlands is next to everything.

Then again, I dont play pachy or teno unless Im really being bullied and peer pressured

[rigid minnow]

Again West is a major migration, it leads to Highlands via the road. It's not inconvenient if you're either of those species or a carnivore that hunts them like omniraptor, cera or carno.

[feral sundial]

Idk, Ive spawned in and traveled to west like 20-40 times. Almost no AI. Maybe seen one player. Takes like 3x stam breaks

[rigid minnow]

West isn't far from SP at all, it's like a 3 minute walk at best.

[feral sundial]

not from south

thats the only thing its close to

[rigid minnow]

Highlands too

[feral sundial]

and to travel from west to south or through south takes forever

highlands is next to everything and atleast used to have diet there

Not so much anymore, but

[rigid minnow]

I'm again, so confused about this lack of AI thing, I'm seeing AI along with those who were on the hordetest.

[feral sundial]

Idk. To me, west is just a massive journey for nothing

[rigid minnow]

I have not starved from a lack of AI in months.

[feral sundial]

Well, I guess all the AI is in west now shrug

[rigid minnow]

It's everywhere, it spawns around players.

[feral sundial]

I guess. Sometimes Ive had that experience. Not lately. And recently, Im not the only one

[rigid minnow]

I'm again convinced people have been sitting in one spot, no AI spawn and then they say there's no AI.

If I walk around the jungle there's a great chance I find a deer that spawns.

[feral sundial]

I mean, Ive dealt, and sometimes you do just starve. But for me, since horde went live, Ive seen maybe 3 or 4 AI in total in idk 20+ hours of play easily

so, you can say its there, maybe sometimes for you it is. Maybe they changed something. Ive reported my experienes. Im not the only one with them

[rigid minnow]

That's again, very strange. What was on the hordetest is what went live and there wasn't an issue.

[feral sundial]

I havent seen ANY turtles since like a week after gateway dropped, and Ive seen like 3 or 4 AI since the last update

Im not crying, but those ARE my experiences

and it isnt cause I sat in one place or didnt look

[rigid minnow]

I again just can't understand that, if I weren't on Legacy currently I guarantee I could boot and get one to spawn. Again some places work better than others but they do infact spawn but they spawn around players; you're not going to find one where there was a lack of players most likely.

[feral sundial]

Cause you arent listening. Everyone whos posted similar experiences to me isnt lying

Maybe youve had different experiences, and if so, cool!

but, were not lying or making things up XD

[rigid minnow]

But sit on a beach and it'll likely happen, I had 3 turtles spawn on my steg while moving from Delta to East.

I just personally think people got really used to having their entire diet spawn next to them, now that it's more spaced out people are saying it's impossible when it's not.

You see more people complaining about a lack of AI because those who aren't struggling just aren't saying anything about it because there's not really a need to.

The people I see complaining are those who have only played the patch since it went live while those on the hordetest have had this for about a month and there weren't as many complaints.

[feral sundial]

Well, some comments, thats got some truth to probably, but that isnt what Ive experienced or asked for or expected and.... this is classic TI community FS XD

Some reason, none of us trust or like each other(generalizing)

Alot of takes just seem like opinion wars

idk what your experiences are. Idc. Ive conveyed mine. You can believe them or not. I haven't lied or misrepresented anything even remotely

[rigid minnow]

I'm not trying to argue, I'm genuinely just confused.

[feral sundial]

take it all for what you will

[atomic veldt]

not much to be confused about, a large amount of players are complaining about not seeing ai i dont see how that gets you confused

[rigid minnow]

Because there is AI

[atomic veldt]

again, a very large portion of players are saying they havent seen any, compared to the very few in the middle of nowhere finding ai stuck running on rocks and stuff

[rocky quarry]

Should really be the opposite. Dinosaur heavy areas should have less AI, to reflect being eaten. The middle of nowhere should have more, where less predators are at. But either way, the AI spawns are broken and I'm done trying to play the game now.

[feral sundial]

Idk. Personally, Ive coped. Ill cope either way. I think because of things like PT, clans, mixpacking, and organically emergent hotspots, the idea of no or almost no AI makes it really hard for solos and new players. That all said, too much AI is obviously not good(and I dont think what anyone wants?)

Sucks not seeing any AI and being told your lying though by people who openly advocate for either no or almost no AI(alot of whom I assume are pros, with extra time to play, and friends to play with already or members of groups or clans)

I thought having some AI and some no AI servers would be a good start. Maybe there needs to be more AI on AI servers. Maybe not. Maybe it just needs distributed differently. I dont have all the answers.

It seems however some people really hate AI and really want there to be no official servers with AI or as little AI as they can talk the devs into as is possible

[charred dew]

It feels like last year's december patch all over again, annihilate the ai spawn and forcing ppl to stay at hot spot farming other player

[austere umbra]

yup

[quiet verge]

Feels like people who are saying they are finding ai are finding a single AI in 5 hours and going "see look, yall are crazy, they spawn just like always." absolutely delusional

[delicate stream]

Ok I can confirm that after full 6 in game days days of testing on several smaller ponds where small fish used to spawn before they not spawning anymore (since the last update). I was about to test the rivers next but reading the comments above i see people are starving as pteras while looking for small fish in all rivers. Guess its time to wait for a fix or join the spawn killing campers..

[hazy cargo]

Can also confirm I've been through a number of troodon and ptera trying to find anything to eat.

[naive thicket]

"Man. We need to stop Hotspot camping"

"Oh! Lets force them to congregate in hotspots to find food!"

😐

I did see people complain about AI dropping right on them. But there are more organic and fluid fixes to that than whatever they've done this time. I really liked someone's idea (I can't remember who, I'm sorry) of a doughnut spawn zone for AI. Not right on top of you, but around you.

Also an important factor I would like to point out since I haven't seen this yet... what about people who enjoy nesting? How are they supposed to sit in one place and incubate eggs and then raise a family with no food in sight? I think AI spawns should be increased around a nesting couple. After the eggs hatch it could go back to normal again. But nesting was already a rarity before... I'm afraid how infrequent it will be now. We'll probably get starving raptors nesting in babies so they can eat them :I

[sand rock]

Currently the scavenger ai’s are stuck in clumps halfway up cliff sides, they are not actually getting to the bodies most of the time

[feral sundial]

So much of this its unreal tbh.... like honestly honestly honestly, wtf.... I dont even mind hotspots as much as they and most people do, but its honestly pretty ridiculous atm imo...

EVERY time I leave east, I either have to go back after nearly starving no matter where I go or look(and I can usually find SOMETHING) or else I starve

Ive traveled the map in this way like 5-10 times in the past day or two, and the only place I can ever find food is e/ne, and at this point, not even ne. Just east

****Id love to spend more time in other areas, but that really just isnt an option atm

[charred dew]

got chased by a teno a pachy plus a carno as a group at the same time
just trying to get some food as a dilo spawn in

[magic raven]

yeah i've been through 7 dilos now and still haven't found a single ai, only other players who kill on sight

[charred dew]

I spoted 1-3 deer in the swamp as a stego chilling, and thats it
not even a single frog in the entire swamp

[magic raven]

damn, wish i had seen just 1 deer

[charred dew]

even you do, good luck trying to get one as a baby dino

[magic raven]

have done so before, granted it took like 10 mins to kill it

[noble forum]

Herrara here, last night I played for almost 4 hours as a juvenile Herrara because I could not find a single food source running up and down the center river. AI spawns suck now

[pliant tundra]

Ai... does it even exist? Lol. Can we PLEASE get a HOT FIX!

[fast bay]

PT/beip a struggle again without fish. i found some, but not enough to maintain diet

[open comet]

been playing for the past 4 hours and have seen ONE goat

no boars or deer

[feral sundial]

Well.... Theres clearly atleast a few people who have been chomping at the bit to push for no AI, and getting ANY positive feedback from ANYONE when they had to do it was enough for them to latch on with a death grip to the idea and refuse to let go.... I dont mind having a/some no AI server(Options are cool imho)

but yeah.... even on the AI servers, its silly af atm

[tender crow]

My experience on the AI servers: tons of AI spawn straight in your face, it's not even funny.
So it's really weird to see people complaining over lack of AI unless there are some effects I missed.

Are you guys sure you are in the right spot and then just wait?
Because actively moving around trying to find AI doesn't work right now.

[feral sundial]

?? Is this by design? Even if this is true, to some degree, if your moving around within a given area youd think thatd function similar to sitting still. All I can say is that since the last update Ive traveled both all across the map, and within areas on the map, and the only places Ive found AI are east and south, and even then, maybe 10 or 15 since the update now, and Ive put in some hours since then.... more hours than AI, by a good bit

Are you saying theres a design element right now that by design requires you to sit in certain areas to spawn AI?

[tender crow]

I like to think it's an unfortunate side effect of trying to improve server performance.
Before AI just spawned anywhere on the map and went dormant until someone came near it.
Which seemed to have bad effects on performance and AI sometimes just broke and never became active.

But it also (likely as a side effect) resulted in a pretty good AI distribution while the current system is rather bad at that.

[median jay]

@tender crow What do you not like about my suggestion?

[tender crow]

I think it's quite something to pick a predator in a survival game and then be disgusted with having to actually hunt to avoid starving.

[median jay]

no I don't think you understand, it's not hunting that disgusts me

[median jay]

what disgusts me is that no matter which carnivore I take, maybe not for the troodon I never reach adulthood either I die of starvation or I get hunted and attacked by people stronger than you especially if you're a juv utah against an adult cera or carno it's akin to suicide

[median jay]

just one question, how do you survive if your alone, there are young people around you but they are protected by adults? because even if you succeed in killing them the adult is not going to let you eat in peace that's why I made this suggestion if your too low in food your chance of survival and your not there to attack the dino that you are going to put 100 years of killing him if you have good skills

[median jay]

I found the AI ​​in the legacy to be okay you started to get hungry it appeared you hunted you ate it was at your own risk you wanted to hunt the AI ​​you had the risk of running into another carni if ​​I have to summarize evrima it's you die again and again because I never see the AI ​​it takes a miracle to see them

[tender crow]

You see... legacy AI was just bad in many ways:

• it was basically spoon-feeding hungry carnivores
• as it only spawned near hungry carnivores it was also a snitch that betrayed your presence
• it spawned around players not unlike the current AI, which led to a terrible distribution
• they way it spawned also meant that if you moved around it had a tendency to appear behind you and you might end up moving out of range before noticing
• the best way to reliably spawn AI was to sit in place and let your hunger go down which is terrible survival gameplay
• it had the tendency to spawn at a higher rate when there were more players

[silver raven]

Also legacy AI contributed nothing to make the island feel alive, since it exclusively spawned near hungry carnivores

[median jay]

otherwise open your own low ai server

[median jay]

but in fact what you want is that the carni have no chance of survival

[devout vortex]

bro, I spent 2 hours on East Plains on the Omni and not one bot during this time, although before there were wild boars and everything you want

[median jay]

in fact I understand that you want survival to be difficult but I remind you that it is a game, a game is to relax and have fun already on the map there are players, the carni players are hunting and keep the body with low AI how to survive because the diet also complicates things for you I saw without diet my growth is at -75% and you will wait more than 3 to 4 hours to be an adult in Utah ( I say that but I don't know) and then die quickly in a fight hours of waiting to die I think the game is already complicated enough like that

[tender crow]

There is a huge difference between "not finding anything and constantly starving" and "getting free food delivered whenever you need it and never starving".
Lets not over-correct here, it's a survival game not a spoon feeding simulator.

If you want to relax and not rely on hunting... maybe play a herbivore?

[devout vortex]

I don't want to play it at all with this problem.

[devout vortex]

I only play carnivores, I want to fight with other players and not starve to death

[limber flume]

This ultra low-ai idea has cucked a lot of playstyles. I personally loved playing a scavanger herra since they came out-- the playstyle has completely vanished now

[devout vortex]

bro this is not an ultra low amount of AI, this is just a broken game with a new patch

[limber flume]

I'm going to give the game's devs the very acceptable benefit of the doubt and assume they changed it knowingly and just giving feedback on my experience. You're free to not play a 'broken game' and shoo off with your very constructive feedback.

[open comet]

Absolutely on point. I play(ed) herra the same way, using fish to supplement me if hot spots were too dangerous.

now like you said, the playstyle is gone

[limber flume]

Mhm. I'm hoping it gets retweaked, but I will say-- I had to kill my own food fo the first time in , well, ever as herra recently LOL! No more making the angressive carnies do the work :(.

[open comet]

something i really enjoyed was playing herra and cera around the center river, living off the ai and occasional juvy, now im forced to haul my ass to the far east or south if i dont feel like starving

have seen 1 goat in the 4 hours ive played this update

[regal spear]

Yes, the big majority want prepatch number of ai but the devs want less

ai changes kill the game imo

[stone trail]

true

no ai is awful forced to canni just to stop from starving

[regal spear]

until i can make my own dino game ill fight for ai return

[silver forge]

Teno AI 😭

It was the best thing ever for any baby carnivore (or adult)

‘Next update it won’t be passive and attack’

poof gone

[tender crow]

Nah Teno AI sucked, mostly because they ended up being huge piles of free food for big carnivores while doing nothing for small carnivores.

[silver forge]

Sure thats your opinion it did plenty for me as a fresh spawn

[tender crow]

Well, if they bugged out entirely you could kill them, too.

Says a lot when they get more useful when they are bugged though.

[silver forge]

Well I prefer the static AI all over the map pre 2024

[tender crow]

Same.

[silver forge]

‘Performance issues’ isn’t a reason to justify something that prevented for example hot spots and gave all of us the chance to explore anywhere

I started in November so im biased

As a new player the game was fun to me

Imagine joining after a fresh update

[tender crow]

The devs seem to be trying different spawn rates but I think that's futile, because the actual issue is the way they spawn.

With the current system you either spawn enough AI - which turns carnivores into lazy bums who get their food via airdrop delivery - or not enough AI - which results in carnivores piling up in hot spots to eat each other.

[silver raven]

Was thinking an "encounter" type system of AI spawning could be the best of both worlds

Actually that's what I expected when devs said they would remove stasis AIs

The idea is that no AI would spawn anywhere on the map. Instead, encounter spots spawn far away from players at random places. When a player gets close to an encounter spot, it spawns... well, an encounter that is suitable for the biome and time of day
Can be a foraging boar, a group of roaming deers, or a chicken running and screaming everywhere for whatever reason.
Once no player is near, the encounter despawns

[silver forge]

Yeah.. well put

[tender crow]

I have been told that's actually how stasis AI worked in the first place.

[silver raven]

Hmmm... Then I wonder how were they so performance-intensive in the first place ?

[limber flume]

How many times did you spam the feedback channel holy cow

[tender crow]

@charred dust My dino from the no AI server ended up on the EU 7 - Spain server - so maybe the names are wrong and EU 7 is the no AI one now?

[feral sundial]

Well.... I did run into literally 20 boars in swamp in 30 mins once pre-patch, so.... probably somewhere in between that and this would be sane....The server was full and not laggy when that happened though? XD

[feral sundial]

Idk what is officially qualified as spam but contextually sounds more like a bump than spam to me, especially contextually

[tender crow]

I found AI but it was stuck in place and very quiet, so maybe that's part of the issue.
It might be a good idea to check the corners.

[median jay]

mmh 🤔 I don't really believe it

[tender crow]

#isle-discussion message

[median jay]

ok I didn't say anything in this case

[pliant tundra]

I'm dying. The sarcasm fleeewwwwww over.

[tulip charm]

did they ever fix AI? for carnivores?

[median jay]

no

[haughty surge]

until ai is fixed on NA5 imma yeet some stegos xD

[steep niche]

Where are all the AI?????

[simple dagger]

AI still depending on Map Region a Lot. Just sayin ... If you Go to the shore .. the beach south of east Plains f.e. youll find tons of deer.. at least i did.. by looking for goats..
East of the Lake from Northwest Access (SE of human Base) i found goats boars and deers .. lucky all at once tbh. If you Look for turtles Go westrail beach and follow IT towars sanctuary / south Plains . Always find some there

[steep niche]

Okay thanks I'll give it a try.

[simple dagger]

Best of luck Buddy hope that helps and i wanst Just lucky a Lot 🙂

[visual musk]

fix the ai

[tulip charm]

has anyone seen any AI?? like i just starved to death as a baby raptor... 0 progress

[short bone]

so lemme guess, they pushed a patch yesterday that didn't solve the 2 biggest issues: no AI and fatal errors?

typical

have a nice weekend with a bugged game ig

[timber island]

um there is ai

[simple dagger]

ye theres plenty but i would like to see it spread more across the map instead of kinda zones they just spawn into 😦
make it mooooove 😄

[timber island]

yis

[rancid solstice]

do carno migration zones do anything? like im playing dilo is it worth going to

[timber island]

ive seen 6 deers and 1 boar

[knotty steeple]

Swamp is FULL of ai now

Boars, deers, chickens, you name it, its there.

[devout vortex]

didn't find anyone 😉

AI spawns only after restart, I noticed)

[wide vapor]

Did ai spawn fixed after update？

[devout vortex]

I wouldn’t say that they’ve completely fixed it, only partially

[wide vapor]

At least a good news

I hope deer no longer stuck in Rock....

[devout vortex]

Because of this breakdown, I now cannot perceive this game normally

[devout vortex]

they still get stuck, but now along with the wild boars)

[wide vapor]

So we have more boars now？

[glad tangle]

Have the ai spawns drastically reduced I went to my usual hunting grounds on eu1 and couldn’t find any, I know what they sound like and have a good idea of where they spawn on the eastern side of the map but no luck finding any about 6 hours in?

[tulip charm]

I don't hear any ai and i have not seen any ai...

they claimed they fixed Ai spawns, but can anyone confirm that ai is actually working?

anyone of the 30K people, anyone at all

[glad tangle]

Fish spawn for sure the map is full of deino traps, only thing keeping me alive

[tall flame]

same...

[woven lichen]

I'm not seeing or hearing AI in North jungle

[indigo heron]

I searched a lot in the west too and found nothin

[tulip charm]

THESE AI UPDATES ARE A JOKE DEVELOPERS

[tulip charm]

OH! i thought they fixed the AI this just says they adjusted the spawns of the AI

[feral sundial]

What "fixed" means seems up for debate, and someones(s) really think that people ever surviving without A) Having a HUGE pack, mixpack, or clan, B) Own your own server, C) suffer....

Theres a huge amount of people who seem to believe if you can survive more than 15-45mins on AI your "spoiled" 🙄 😒

They know that where its at makes the game miserable to unplayable for alot of people... I get the feelings thats "functioning as intended"

[tulip charm]

I personally do not care what other people think, AI - Animals is vital for growth in this game, If it did not exist 90% of the players would starve to death due to the over populations of Deinosuchus players who consume Elite Fish Until they are fully grown to just be able to wander to fight players and Pteranodon players who have Flight which are never seen by any land carnivore and are sustained by schooling fish.

Then you have to stop and think about all the players that hide in bushes or in really good hiding locations, The rate they set the metabolism for the larger carnivores including carnos and ceras. The ai animals are VITAL for survival or else you would literally be having all land carnivores starving to death in the first 15 minutes of playing the dino, The maps are simply too big to do what you are suggesting Instant pvp to grow would require a LOT smaller map which would just feel like a dinosaur battle royale and wouldn't be the dinosaur survival game it is.

[feral sundial]

Oh, I absolutely agree... The attitude of the anti AI people seems to be either "tough" or else "starve and die or spawn and pvp in the hotspots till the meat and corpses build up enough to feed some people" ignoring the server wipes and all the other issues and imbalance... IMO, the push for no AI seems to be as an attempt to take short cuts on dealing with server optimization shortcomings, and its not good for anyone or anything, and secondarily justified as 'survival' and 'hardcore' but.... Thats just me.... shrug

I just wish when they implemented the AI servers and the no AI servers, they didnt intentionally ruin the AI spawns on the "AI" servers.... for what? To force the no AI issue underhandedly?

To make AI servers look like they cant work to slander the idea and people who need and want AI?

Idk... I cant imagine it should be hard at all to reset AI to some previous state or condition where it was at where ping and rubberbanding were both MUCH more stable AND AI spawnrates were much higher, maybe even too high(although thats a much healthier problem still!)....So, the REFUSAL to let there be enough AI with the push from key people for no AI seems to be some sort of.... endeavor... by people behind the scenes...

To be clear, some people both players and devs have made clear that they dont like AI and see AI as a problem and would like to get rid of it..... Most people disagree, and IMO that opinion has done immeasurable damage to the community and game.... buuuuut.... shrug This is just my thoughts and observations

[tulip charm]

I agree with what you are saying If the developers would have taken some thought into the game and made say a majority of the plants that are dynamic and moving all the time, static that would cut back on server resources and allow more AI to spawn. If people do not want AI Just have a few servers that have No AI go battle it out there. But i agree with you 100% they are ruining their own game by making less and less AI spawn because its becoming not fun when you spawn and cannot find any AI to sustain youth as a carnivore land dino, because of the lack of AI.

[feral sundial]

They could have just left, or at worse reset the AI to functional on the AI servers... the lack of AI on AI servers WITH the push for no AI and key comments is all very telling.

The AI was working MUCH better, and before hordetest went live, the last patch was alot more stable for me and many people. Im glad for the qol improvements and stuff, dont get me wrong... But while the AI wasnt perfectly implemented before, where it was before the hordetest was MUCH MUCH MUCH better in every way

and there isnt any good reason they shouldnt be able to revert the AI atleast on the AI servers if the new implementation of it is that broken

besides..... they dont want to

[tulip charm]

but i understand the want for graphical simulation to be a good idea to attract players but if players cannot survive in the game, it literally turns into a walking sim til you starve to death lol.

[tulip charm]

Well on that note they are killing their own game off.

[feral sundial]

well, I understand that there are server costs and stuff too.... but there have been player servers that run stably on 150players with AI.... so..... the solutions exist.... They may be prohibitively expensive, and then you have to make choices

but making the game unbearable or unplayable doesnt seem like a good choice

[tulip charm]

agreed

[timber island]

they never said they wanted to get rid of it

there's even gonna be rex ai sooo

[charred dew]

by bother go to mz when no player or ai are in it?

[feral sundial]

Idk, but as long as it takes to get there, you better eat the non-existent food quick because its about to move on you :-p

[winter laurel]

Elite fish and schooling fish are both ai, so if no ai period, deinos would be the first to starve obviously that's not what happened, though.

[winter laurel]

Though to be more constructive to this conversation... There is apparently a pretty major performance bug with the AI right now. The no ai servers are supposed to permit higher player counts (a highly requested feature) with potentially better ping/fps, while they work on improving ai performance

[feral sundial]

I dont mind there being no AI servers at all

[winter laurel]

None of the dev blogs have said they want no ai to be permanent. And the low ai on normal servers is likely due to said performance issues as well

[feral sundial]

The pre-hordetest patch had AI(too much even) and it was stable on ping and rubberbanding(by comparison.... occassional issues, but rare, and far less severe)

[violet carbon]

as someone with a fresh perspective of this game i have plaayed for about 2 days now 8 hour each day, i have seen 1 boar 0 chicken 2 deer 1 turtle (not been by the beach though) when i played as a deino i saw more fish than i can count

2 goat as well

[feral sundial]

They could/should be able to easily roll that back to the last patches conditions, unless theyre raw dawgin the patches without backups

[winter laurel]

I agree... I wonder if they are underallocating hardware resources for the official servers. Horde testing has been pleasantly stable

[winter laurel]

Unless this bug was introduced many patches ago and rolling back would remove other important fixes

[feral sundial]

honestly that doesnt sound super bad.... I wish Id seen AI at that rate lately XD

[feral sundial]

I suppose.... :I
I mean.... ideally youd still have those old states as well, but... Im no programmer/dev, but if things are encapsulated properly, shouldnt you be able to track down these things and fix them without the "to fix this you have to break that" sorta thing? And if those "fixes"(or improvements) broke something else, and that thing that they broke NEEDS to work for the game to work, then dont you HAVE to go back..... which is what the recode had already been all about?

Like I said, Im no programmer, but Im pretty sure there are 'good practices' that make the whole 'you cant mess with this without breaking that' thing not an issue

[violet carbon]

dont get me wrong im new but i genuinely cant survive as i dont have the skill to fight yet, i starve 9/10

[feral sundial]

like.... in theory, they could/should be able to revert the AI spawn changes without reverting everything else

for instance

[violet carbon]

are the devs quick to fix these things?

[feral sundial]

I think I read your comment wrong the first time tbh and read 16 hrs as 8.... the all the fish you can find had me sold though XD

[feral sundial]

They do alot of work consistently, but sometimes they struggle to fix certain issues... some take time to fix. some get fixed and break again later

[violet carbon]

ahh okay

[winter laurel]

It really depends on their version control software... If they're using something like git, it's not really possible to my knowledge. You can revert the code to a prior commit, but doing so reverts all commits past that point as well, even if they're in 2 completely different areas of the code. Potentially you could do it if the code is in different files-- revert one file without reverting the others. But files link together and sometimes bugs occur in the interface between different code blocks, which can cause reverts to become... Painful

[feral sundial]

I mean.... Even if the code is in different places, etc... If its organized properly, as long as youve already worked out its implementation.... If you manually have to copy it for some reason, as long as you have access to a clean functional state of that version/part of the code...

Again, Im not a programmer or developer of anything at all.... But while what you said is sort of true, if Im not mistaken, you can do things in ways(essentially just keeping things organized) that makes stuff like that either a non-issue or a small one...

In theory, most things should be organized in such a way where you can get at that thing specifically, without having to shift everything else around to touch it....

granted, theyre the ones doing the work to learn and do the magic things, and I only understand these things on a theoretical level.... and it does take a little extra work on the front to keep things organized in those ways.... but I also did thought that was what the recode was about also... habits are hard to break, and some 'spaghetti code' isnt just tolerable or justified, its good and necesarry... but... I hope we arent somehow getting to a point where its like "Nobody knows how it works. Who knows what any of these things do... we just know that if we touch that everything breaks" :I

[lost drum]

its not that the ai aren't there, i see atleast 5 or 6 deer meshed between rocks and cliffs a day. 💀

[dry sparrow]

even if there was a good and maybe forced balance of herbivores/omnivores to carnivores and a server population of 200 people, then there would be places on this map, many places where carnivores would starve. the chance to find killable players among those 199 left over players, which are not at hotspots, would just be too low. Even in nature where the need for food for these dinosaurs was much less, there had to be a massive biomass, at least consisting of smaller animals, lower on the food-chain to sustain them. Creatures which had different survival strategies consisting of giving many offspring and if 2% made it to adulthood, it was a great success. People do not want to play these kinds of creatures but they need to eat them to play the creatures they want to play. it is only human to not want to play 400 lives as a dragonfly-larvae only to be eaten 400 times until we reach adulthood...and even these larvae were carnivores...the implications xD

[dry sparrow]

also not making noises or giving off the faintest scent for carnivores to find them xD

[woven lichen]

Before this hot fix i heard AI in the swamps. I've been sitting here for 30 mins and not 1 AI

[charred dew]

same, not a single ai

[tiny bobcat]

AI is so broken now 😦 it spawns but sometimes near rocks, being silent or it doesn't spawn at all cause of players being in one spot all the time.

[woven lichen]

We'll be lucky to get a "fix" for it by the end of the week

[violet carbon]

tbh we had an update today

i think its been fixed

im seeing so much more now

[charred dew]

no it isnt outside the mixpacker kill zone

sure the boar seem to spawn now, but they all got stuck in some random bushes

[violet carbon]

i saw them on the beach earlier

[woven lichen]

I was in swamp for an hour earlier and didn't hear or see any AI

[violet carbon]

i never go swamp so not sure

in highlands seems like lots

[feral sundial]

It just sucks because AI was effectively working almost perfectly

maybe a little to abundant

but there was a state were it basically just worked, functionally, as intended, reliably.... and the server and ping were stable then too(by comparison)

[violet carbon]

yh by like south planes the server struggles

[dry sparrow]

If you mean the recent past, then nope. AI spawned only reliably and in abundance at hotspots and you starved pretty much everywhere else as a carivore. Now it may be worse, but back then it was already very flawed...thats propably why they are trying to change it. I would say it is a WIP xD

[violet carbon]

now it seems to be fine

there was an update earlier

[woven lichen]

I feel AI has been flawed since HT ended and was deployed

[feral sundial]

I mean.... the rest is relatively subjective, and wasnt my personal experience... I do suspect there were some issues back then, but I never found AI to only spawn in some areas, or to starve anywhere else.... Im not saying that wasnt your experience, but I play alot... If that was your experience, that was, in my opinion, bad luck

[dry sparrow]

It is okay, everything here is anecdotal anyways. If there was a starvation and suicide statistic for carnivores regarding this map, then it would be different. However, I would bet the areas far off the hotspots, would be deep red xD

[feral sundial]

Your probably not wrong XD

2:50 AM]Drew: I was playing on NA4 earlier and I literally couldn’t stop seeing AI. Every time I heard a deer, there was a flock of 3-5 of them big and small. Same thing with the boars. I still have yet to see any sea turtles chickens or rabbits though, also frogs are sparse

Whats happening O.o I can only find fish and frogs X( wildly different experiences!

Ive been playin too!(enough to have more than one or two lives to draw current experience from) ..... I will say, for me, it has been much better than before this last little patch(the small patch before that didnt make a difference to me noticeably)

.... in any case.... I have been able to find some AI now.... so thats very appreciated! XD

[delicate stream]

The fish STILL DESPAWNS few sec after it spawned. Fix this already ffs...

[feral sundial]

Always either 4 deer or no deer >.>

[feral sundial]

3 deers again :-p

[feral sundial]

@queen spear 10:19 PM]Warlock ឵឵឵ ឵឵឵ ឵឵឵ ឵឵឵ ឵឵឵ ឵឵឵: The big fish beach themselves, why or how they do it I do not know but they find a way.

Ive seen the jesus fish again a few times lately XD

Bring back feels ❤️ XD

[median tundra]

dude wtf happened to the AI?
i spawn get chased by 5 pigs hear deer all around and 10min later everything is gone and i cant see or hear anything in a 1km radius...

[tiny bobcat]

how the heck did i found boars here lol

[ashen cradle]

How the heck did I found deers in the ocean, and boars at the beach.

[silver forge]

AI getting stuck

[loud wedge]

where is all the AI? Nothing is spawning!

[timber island]

@timid bolt i have played as a cerato, yes

i have not starved as one yet

[simple dagger]

#ai-feedback message
always going for Cera or Carno and never starved since weeks tbh 😄
even could grow a Carno yesterday (as im doing now) and didnt even killed a single player until adult. Just chill and grow with 50% diet by boars n deers.
AI isnt the problem now imo.

[spare gorge]

I will say, ai is in a bad spot rn due to its extreme inconsistency

Either there’s too much or not enough to support the things that really need it

[simple dagger]

depending on the area its way too consistent sometimes 😄
but yes in some areas you got swamed by em somewhere else is none thats kinda true tho

[spare gorge]

For example turtles either spawn in ridiculous numbers or there’s not any ever

Land ai seems to be spawning somewhat decently besides the small ones, but everything keeps getting stuck so it’s not useful

[simple dagger]

again i have to say it really depends on the area.
Growing the 3rd carno in two days now just on AI in the same region with moveing AI.
Surely there are areas AI just hugs trees n mountains less frequently.

[spare gorge]

Yeah I noticed that when I tried growing a carno there was ai absolutely everywhere I went

Then I grew a ptera and nothing spawned

It seems almost like ai spawns more for larger animals which is somewhat odd

[simple dagger]

YES! feel exactly like this a lot.
Carno = AI everywhere
Cera = a bit mostly non diet boars or deers 😄
at least really feels a bit like rely on dino :/

[timid bolt]

Congratulations

just because you haven’t starved as one, doesn’t mean ai doesn’t need work

We all have our own experiences

[timber island]

well you claim that i haven't tried to grow one

🤷‍♂️

[timid bolt]

I actually never said your name specifically now did I

I said everyone

I did not specifically target you

[timber island]

i mean considering that it's below my feedback which is the exact opposite of what you suggest...

[timid bolt]

That’s not specifically mentioning you 😭

[timber island]

i think it's reasonable to believe that it might've been the case

[timid bolt]

I read a lot of feedback

And so what if I did??? Boo hoo? Why do you even care 😭

its how I’ve experienced the game, maybe I did piggy back off what you said, but to be fair, I saw quite a few entries saying that

[timber island]

because it's trying to invalidate my feedback with something that isn't even true

[timid bolt]

So no I’m not specifically mentioning you

[timber island]

that's why i care

[timid bolt]

okay let me just upload my gameplay, it is true. I have video proof that there’s no ai, no players, when I play, thus resulting in my starving ceratos

And it’s not invalidating your feedback, A LOT of people have said similar to you

[timber island]

and i have seen and eaten like 40 goats or smth in 2 days

theres a ton of ai

however theres no players

[timid bolt]

You’re invalidating my feedback for telling me I can’t say that

[timber island]

i agree with that

[timber island]

no im not

im responding to you saying that i haven't tried to grow a cera or a carno

when i've lived off of ai as a cera without any issue

and ofc tenos n ceras for the 3 dot

[timid bolt]

Okay well I’m not really gonna sit here and argue, I have my opinion, you have yours, you’re one of the few people who have played cerato and didn’t starve, congratulations!!! Do you want me to send you the 3-4hr long footage of my gameplays? That show me struggling to find ANYTHING to eat as a cerato?? Will that make you leave me alone? 😭

[timber island]

um

i am confused now

[timid bolt]

I’m not invalidating you

[timber island]

i mean if you found no ai then idk what to tell you

theres an insane amount of goats in the highlands lake for the lines

check that place out for the lines

[timid bolt]

a lot of people had the same opinion, as you.

But in my opinion, y’all must not be on official servers or something, the struggle is real if I’m not near south plains to find ai or players

[timber island]

ohhh yeah no i dont really play officials anymore

[timid bolt]

LMAOOOOO the highlands??? I went there last night sat for 20 minutes, I found a raptor that ran away from me. No goats. Had to cheekily steal some fish from deinos, cause that’s genuinely the only food source I’m ever finding

[timber island]

skull emoji

[timid bolt]

yeah officials is the problem

[timber island]

twice the lag half the population

[timid bolt]

A lot of you nay sayers I see aren’t even on officials

I actually have 0 lag but alright

I just like playing officials because idk I just do

[timber island]

oh what

ppl 1 tap me from mars there

[timid bolt]

I want the game to do good, so I play officials and share my feedback, I don’t wanna play unofficials cause then they probably won’t fix what needs fixing without the feedback and testing

Well idk, I’ve never really lagged during a fight before

[timber island]

i see

[reef smelt]

@tender crow I feel like that would work if they either made the map smaller, lobbies larger, or have a more balanced food chain system.
As of the current state of the game, diminishing AI and forcing people to 'hunt' when there are maximum of 100 players (usually less than 100 unless it's the weekend) in a server is just asking for constant starvation and no one would play the game. Additionally, as there is no cap on how many people can play a certain dino at once, it allows for a complete disfunction of the system if there is just one missing part of the food chain. Theoretically, there could be a whole server of carno's and unless they find other carno's and vomit to death because of cannibalism, they'll just starve to death xD

Personally I think the push for more AI food would benefit the community but as you rightfully said, don't make it abundant and highly valuable as we should be searching for more sustaining foods. On that front, maybe the addition of more challenging AI targets like spawning in herds of adult stego's (humorous example) would still be a challenge and not an easy meal, but would not rely on player counts and fair play tactics.

[tender crow]

@reef smelt There is a right balance where AI can still last you for a while as backup but you wouldn't be using it as your preferred main food. Of course that would also require you to have more time actually searching and hunting - which would also be the case if AI was less "free".

About the cap... yeah that's the point. You have a soft cap for carnivores that depends on resources and competition. One that favours players who are actually competent with the playable and gives you a shot instead of just relying on logging in at the right time and being able to select the character in the first place.

So if the whole server is Carnos... that's bad news for the Carnos and most of them will starve, which is what overpopulation tends to do. Now as a player you can either switch character or play at increased difficulty here (which the game should probably indicate somehow so players have a better idea what they are getting into). In reality things probably wouldn't be as extreme though, because those dynamics would favour switching character way earlier.

The bigger issue is if the whole server is adult Stegos, because herbivore starvation is not a thing at the moment. While this would result in a low competition situation for AI you would probably have a hard time bridging the gap. So there might need to be a soft cap of some kind for the (big) herbivores, too.

So yeah "more balanced food chain system" should be the way to go here. This might actually work on a Gateway-sized map with 100 player slots when you can't just pile up in hot spots and have to disperse more.

[reef smelt]

Yeah they definitely need to remove the hot spots and make a more diverse food chain structure, should be fun to see how it pans out

[sullen igloo]

@wet thunder agree and disagree

i like the stages, but boars are fine at the aggression level they're at. pretty realistic for wild boars, ngl

[stoic gazelle]

Bought the game after seeing a lot of videos and tutorials. Starved 5 times, never finding anything more than some frogs. Refunded and came here to discord to see whats happening.

[winter laurel]

In short, the AI in particular have serious issues right now. Best suggestion for new players: use this map https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/

Then spawn as close to east or south plains as you can (I think south plains is more active). Eat other players. Or spawn herbivore anywhere you want-- they can eat grass to avoid starving until you get to a migration zone

Pick a server that's mostly full as well

This game is not very friendly to new players, unfortunately. Not a lot of information about how to play

Or you can wait for an update where hopefully they fix the AI

[simple dagger]

anyone saw a Psittacosaurus yet ?

its on troodons diet 😄
or will it be only a playable soon?

[timber island]

nope

not in game i think?

for now

[simple dagger]

ye thats what i think but somehow its on diets and dibble isnt 😄

[timber island]

yus

[spiral spindle]

has anyone noticed for the diablo, other dino's plants, bones, and corpses show up on the sent bar before it's own diet does? like the it has a shorter sent range for diet than corpses and other plants?

[obtuse ingot]

I believe every herbivore's scent works like this... But I am not sure

[sinful pagoda]

hey can you tell me where boars are

[charred dew]

no fish at river delta on HT

[sharp bone]

Aye, I recently starved to death as a FG Deino that was in the East Plains pond due to a mix of no players being around in the HT due to dibblemania; which would be fine but the whole time not a single elite fish or schooling fish spawned in there, dooming me.

[potent ember]

Yeah we just need more of em IMO. the PVP sweats can cope and seeth, this game is hardcore but it's not entirely PVP focused like tarkov

[fresh relic]

I think the community (and the devs it feels like) have forgotten that this game was meant to be a survival game with PvP elements, not a PvP battle arena. It's a shame.

[timber island]

a survival game by default has a lot of pvp

and this game is not a pvp arena excepting south plains

[steady mirage]

Gateway should have the plains removed or make more harsh unless they fix the ai spawns

it doesnt make sense for AI to spawn at hotspots

today i starved my dilo bc it was only 60 people and no AI even tho the server had AI toggled on

i wanna know what happened with the old ai spawning

[timber island]

we should have more plains

everyone goes to the plains because it's the only playable spot

[simple dagger]

there is still a lot of Ai and able to grow even carnos just on Ai.
The problem is not a lack of Ai but how its spread out ( or not ) imo
like if you go southwest accsess above west rail from the shore to human base to northwestridge and that northwest side of highland J theres more ai than you could eat. but being around higlands lake or between al the spawns in the woods n stuff its pretty empty. So i think maybe improve AI areas and spread them out over a big areal would help more than increase its numbers.

[surreal wind]

I've been seing a lot of deer. No bores, and no goats. Deers not moving (i'm not complaing because when they did, i couldnt catch them as a baby

[simple dagger]

check northwest ridge i always find boar there in the open area west of the pond ( or even close to the pond) also deer close to the roads 🙂
ye that non moveing is kinda wierd 😄

[timber island]

ive seen zero boars and a lot of goats

[granite ferry]

Ai is almost fully gone depending on what server. Rarely find a deer or boar or anything in that case. (Not talking about no ai servers)

[simple dagger]

always complained about ai not spawning in rain weather... now at highlands J i see they run in bushes with multiple idividuals 😄

[scenic reef]

@versed snow no ai servers performe 10x better with no lag spikes and good ping. on hordetest, the server performed well even at 170 players

[simple dagger]

yep thats true.
its just sad peeps are lazy and dont play there on public 😦
always havein a blast on no AI. way better than "normal" gameplay imo.
more players make the map more liveing, and in order to survive you need to actually eat a player as carni. Herbies also get the "ez-mode" compared to carnies which is a welcome thing as it should be imo.
Also more people paly herbies on no ai servers due to have not that much of a struggle compared to carnies. Its awesome and people should try it more. once ya used to it its actually ez to grow as carni there as well.

[versed snow]

Interesting. Since I always see the No AI servers Empty or nearly so. Its clear that people do not like them.

[winter laurel]

People aren't playing no ai servers because there's bad performance. They're not playing no ai because a lot of carnivores, especially at the juvi stage, depend on AI to grow, and because as adults they depend on juvis that depend on ai, plus ai between meals to avoid starving. Carni population collapse and herbi is more boring too because there's no carnis attacking to make things interesting

[frozen elm]

Imo that is the carnivores fault though. If you stay around the MZ, find the areas where the players are, it's not that difficult to grow in a populated server. Granted, if it's 30 people you'll starve, but when the servers are full, there is usually enough food for carnivores. I think I've only starved once or twice in no AI servers, and mostly die to others players. You just have to make sure you are around the places where other players are, and expect to look for corpses for much of your food. Finding a stego and following our around can be a good strategy for this. They tend to attract smaller herbis looking for protection, and regularly kill other carnivores that you can then eat. It is a slightly harder game mode yes, but personally that's what makes it fun.
I will note however that is speaking as a raptor or Cera, ptera and deino are near impossible in the no AI servers, but could be fixed with a more player populated diet for ptera, and a slower diet drain for deino, both of which would be a little more realistic for them as well.

[timber island]

@fiery kayak try going to the lake in west rail access and give it like 5 mins, you'll have so many frogs it's just dumb

usually, when i play ptera, it just spawns 5-10 frogs for me

[cedar terrace]

Seems like there's no fish what so ever

only frogs

[wild granite]

its not dumb, in nature, lakes are full of frogs, 5-10 is an unusual, very small number, most often there are several dozen of them [although it depends on the species, but still 5-10 is very few]

[timber island]

yeah of course, im not saying it's dumb that they spawn so much, im saying that there's so many it looks stupid

soooooooo many frogs offering no resistance, waiting to die

[wild granite]

aahh ok ok this, i understand. yep this is weird and dumb

[hollow tinsel]

hello so i really have no idea where to go im playing in the hordtesting and its saying "data acquisition failed" and i have really no idea what it mean could someone please tell me what i could do?

[timber island]

try restarting yur game

your

[hollow tinsel]

thanks it worked

[timber island]

@ornate barn have you checked forests

theres usually deers around there

[ornate barn]

@timber island yes I ran everywhere, ran all over in a migration zone and found nothing. I heard a teno but never could find it. aren't ai suppose to spawn in migration zones?

[timber island]

they should spawn everywhere

for some reason they spawn where the most players are

so if theres like 10 players in a place, some ai will spawn

and if a place is empty, it wont spawn

[ornate barn]

Yea I wish they would switch that so there's something for players that aren't by anyone.

[winter laurel]

@wispy moss it's a tricky situation because ai dinos would 100% make the world more alive and help carni movement. But, there are 2 issues.

1. the ai sucks. The current AI have lots of problems freezing and not reacting to stimuli, spawning too much/too little, etc. until these issues are solved, the ai will be hard to find, way to easy too kill and get good diet off of.

2. the ai really ought not to be playable. One of the issues they had with ai tenos is that player tenos would hear a call, and travel over, only to realize that it's an AI and not really a group they can herd with. It's confusing for the Herbi players

[timid bolt]

I think a way to fix that is to just give the teno ai a new call, one that can be heard just as well as their 1 call, but completely different sounding. Also, make it to where ONLY ai tenos can make that sound, (not apart of the teno players calls) so that way when it’s heard, it will not confuse any herbi players.

I hope that made sense

[silver forge]

AI been broken for months now

Any fix incoming ?

[cedar merlin]

water ai is good. Hope they let carni fish. The counter to fishing is that there are giant crocs in these here waters.

you cant tell me in 5 million years utah/omni never caught and ate a fish

[frozen elm]

?? But you can catch and eat fish as an omni...

[silver forge]

this is pretty much the only thing I encounter, deer that are stuck. I've seen boars in south plains but not on a regular

[tiny bobcat]

AI moves again .kinda.

[fading fractal]

PLEASE ADD MORE FOOD 🙂 THANK YOU

[silk juniper]

The ai is spawning is kinda messed up. I only find deers right now. The only i have never seen since i bought the game is a rabbit. And when i see à chicken i consider myself finding the holy grale.

What are your thoughts?

[silver forge]

Same, can confirm. I do find every type of AI but on a very inconsistent level.

[silk juniper]

Yeah. I find à lot of deers, à few goats, rare pigs, epic chickens and legendary rabbits. Frogs are occasional, crabs are easy with biepi, turtles are ocational and elite well are elite fish

[north current]

the ai has been super inconsistent as of late it seems. for the last few days I've run all the way around and still never see any and end up dying to starvation

[silver forge]

It’s been broken for months in all honesty

[silk juniper]

We can agree on that

[tepid marlin]

1. Boars, Frogs, Rabbits & Crabs are missing.
2. Deers are stuck and don't move.
3. AI doesn't have enough density and needs more spawn points.
4. Not enough Rabbit Burrows.
5. Boar AI attacks other Boars.
6. Boars are rare and appear far and few.
7. Frogs appear too little.
8. Crabs appear too little and seemingly run into the sea endlessly.
9. I've been playing for over a week now in Hordetests and in officials for over 4 hours a day, cannot find any rabbit or any rabbit burrows.

10. Elite Fish AI Teleporting and dying on its own!

[frozen elm]

I thought we all knew that hordetest AI were not going to be working correctly. The feedbacks about hard to find AI are not really necessary, they are aware of it, and will be updating as the other parts of hordetest come together. 1 thing at a time y'all.

[silver forge]

The AI problems are pre (current) HT

[frozen elm]

Yes, there were struggles before HT but the just straight standing around wasn't it. Nor were AI expected to be fixed early in HT. I'm just noticing a lot of feedbacks are fixated on an issue that has been acknowledged and worked on already.

[tulip tusk]

The biggest problem that the developers still haven't fixed is that the NPCs are still stuck on trees and stones and then they no longer make calls and are therefore difficult to locate and the spawn rate is not too low and you can also hear them e.g. no rabbit call either. It is particularly difficult to hunt a rabbit or chicken as a juvie.

I found the NPC's at Lagecy better, such as Ava, Oro, Taco were also easy to recognize and their calls

Boars also kill other NPCs such as Deer or Goats 🤔🤔🤔

[frozen elm]

#ai-feedback message But when you consider the deino is weighed in tons, and frogs rarely exceed a pound, it kind of makes sense. Would be like a human eating 3 grams of banana. Yes it's very good for you, but there isn't much there in total.

[timber island]

@sullen jacinth man i wish it was this easy

more ai will nuke the servers

better servers is impossible cause the tech that can get us ultra servers is complicated and would make creating a community server expensive asf and awfully difficult to maintain

(dondi doesn't like that so he doesn't want the ultra servers)

[sullen jacinth]

I've only ever built web applications using queues, so I have no knowledge, technically, of what I am asking of you xD. It's just that the experience becomes frustrating when I can starve to death without even seeing another animal (AI or Player). I much rather starve after a fight/hunt-gone-wrong.

I'd hate to see The Isle go the same route as ARK, ruining the entire game because the servers cant handle the amount of entities. But it still affects the experience negatively :/

[timber island]

of course of course

i completely agere

[sullen jacinth]

Perhaps the maps are too large then.. idk

[timber island]

the map is indeed wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too big

[sullen jacinth]

Although, i adore the idea of "Migrations". It's a clever way of forcing players together. Crocs seem to not be able to make use of them though.

[timber island]

in my opinion they are a horrible idea

it's a clever way to force players together

🤷‍♂️

[sullen jacinth]

@timber island There wouldn't be any player interaction otherwise I think. Since no one wants to die, they will just hang out in their corner of the map. Effectively making the game into a "waiting simulator" 😝

[timber island]

i mean

it's not like anyone goes to the migration zones anyways

they're always empty cause no herbi wants to be told where to go and when to go

and the game is already a waiting simulator

wait to grow wait to get your stamina back etc

[sullen jacinth]

I'm not sure if people dislike being "told" where to go, i certainly don't. I do believe though, that herbivores are afraid to get eaten so they stay away from the place where carnivores for sure will hang out, i.e. migrations. If they could somehow make it so that herbivores think migrations are valuable enough to risk dying for (which they've done by making food available there) you'll get more interactions.

[timber island]

herbis are too bored to care about food and they'd rather have fun yknow

migration zones impede you from having fun so even if they lose all their diets, they don't care, they'll just graze

[sullen jacinth]

Playing the game as intended is what should be "fun". One thing came to mind, I've never seen a group of herbies walking together, as they do in real life. They get security by being close one another. In my opinion they should work towards making the social aspect of being a herbie, enjoyable.

[timber island]

i agree, playing the game as intended should be fun, but the intended gameplay isn't fun for many

[sullen jacinth]

I'd say that you then have failed to keep the intended gameplay interesting and should work to prolong/alter it. I'd rather see they design towards a "natural" experience (animals behaving like animals in a natural setting) rather than making it into a gladiator FFA arena game.

[timber island]

i agree

they've tried countless times, they just tweak what doesn't have to be tweaked

[rare sonnet]

The lag and desync is so bad, iv got like 5 feet away from another dinosaur an they can bit me, iv lost so many dinosaurs to the lag its not even funny

[timber island]

play unofficials

officials are a complete waste of time and effort

and don't even bother with hordetesting

pretty much everyone is cheating there 🤷‍♂️

[rare sonnet]

fr tho, but the devs an admis should still do something

[timber island]

pretty sure admins do their part

they just arrive when the cheater has killed 40 people

and devs... no idea, i just know that easy anti cheat

[rare sonnet]

it shouldnt take take more then maybe 2 people having prof of cheaters before they do something, an ya ik they can be busy but it happens a lot, more then it should, an ya the easy anti cheat but it obviously needs to be looked at since so many people can get around it, an anti cheat is there to block cheaters not be there to "say well its there"

an im not trying to be mean or rude in anyway, im just putting my feed back as a gamer that wants to see a game actually succeed, i would love to stream this game again it got a lot of viewers, but its not fun to stream it with the cheaters, lag, an desync being to high

[timber island]

it's not rude in any way

[timber island]

you don't even have to have proof, just ping em

however will they do something? maybe, maybe not

and when will the cheater be banned? after a good rampage

[sullen jacinth]

@faint sierra I think they do, it's just that the AI seem to be able to "see" you if you are within a certain range. So they run before you have the chance to sneak up on them.

[sullen igloo]

meh, the ai give pretty much nothing to deino anyway and they arent on his diets

[frozen elm]

No, but they can keep you alive between diet meals.

[timber island]

@wispy moss fellow internet user, migrations dont encourage exploring

migrations do the opposite

boring, bad idea that takes away the enjoyment from people by locking everyone in a place

[wispy moss]

I like them personally

they encourage me to follow them around the map

[sullen igloo]

to be fair, they arent meant to encourage exploring. they were described as a mobile, ever changing hotspot originally

[wispy moss]

each to their own

[wispy moss]

thats kinda what I mean, it takes people around the map without there being a hot spot

[timber island]

it is a hotspot itself

well actually no

cause barely anyone goes to the migration zones anymore

[timber island]

@glad tangle oh yeah bugs are coming

bugs, insects, etc

also rats around human structures

[glad tangle]

Oh really? That's awesome >->
And great to hear-

[tiny bobcat]

idk why but i always find frogs in ponds lol

[timber island]

cause that's the only place they spawn in

[robust yacht]

i love everyone here !

[golden badge]

quiero reportar aun jugador con hack

[scarlet root]

i only survive because of big fish in the river, never even once encounter other AI than a fish ... this needs to get fix, i died 10 times already in a row because of there is no AI

no frog in pounds

let alone mutation and etc, i died for no food as juv

[glad tangle]

i find frogs quite often running through the forest

[mint rover]

do crabs spawn and walk around anywhere?

[silver forge]

Yeah, they’re just hard to spot. They make a cracking sound.

[sudden bison]

@main sundial ITS good that you cant solely sustain yourself on ai because you are am apex

[main sundial]

yeah but when there's literally NOTHING OR NOONE AROUND TO EAT you kind of starve to death

[uncut cave]

I've starved on omni so many times... waiting for deer or SOMETHING. Things only spawn in south swamps, I swear

[silver forge]

No they don't they spawn in most areas. But they stop spawning at some point. After a server restart it all works better, but we only get 2 restarts a day. If you cant fix the AI at least restart the servers more often for now. Dev team don't seem to prioritize the AI problems lately.

[magic apex]

just started as carno ran around for so long no ai at all

[uncut cave]

dude idk what they're prioritizing lol. Making the community miserable?? Like with the stam changes, ptera is so much harder to play and enjoy and explore with.

[tired isle]

Can we PLEASE increase the AI spawn rates??? Every time I FINALLY get a carnivore to adult. I die in less than an hour because 1. I cant find other players 2. I cant find AI 3. I run out of stamina every 100 feet looking for food and 4. when I do find other players there's 30 trolls waiting to jump me and steal my food after I drained all my stamina and health killing my dinner! Please! Just crank up the AI like 45% for now.

[opal ingot]

I swear ive never seen a frog in my whole life…

[high plinth]

you have to hear one before actually seeing it

[dusky shale]

Did they remove teno ai?

[silver raven]

Yes, a long time ago

[opal ingot]

Ive always been able to hear them and follow the sound but still never managed to find one

[sleek lake]

Hello, any administrator of the sv evrima EU 2, who can help me, I got stuck in the game and I need you to kill me or if you can do tp please

[silver raven]

@eager tulip The AI system is literally the same as in legacy
Except now it spawns around any player, not just hungry carnivores

The difference is that AI animals no longer run into your mouth

[eager tulip]

Ah I see. Thought they were different. I do remember that in legacy there was more AI or I'm just having a rusty memory since its been a long time I've played it. Thanks for telling me!

I'll delete my suggestion ^^

[inland hemlock]

In theory, I feel like some AI spawns are just bugged like turtles or frogs and dont spawn like they are intended to.

[honest cloud]

Correct; when running around in the swamps, no bullfrogs have been found.

[dawn loom]

bring back old ai as a playable and just ai and add squirrels

[honest cloud]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350554304479240/1270207800282189916 troodon should generally have smaller dinos and AI as the main part of their diet

[cedar merlin]

still starvation sim??

[minor salmon]

Are there issues with Ai spawns between Swamp (submerged forest) and Delta/Estuary Wall?

I just spent an hour having spawned as a juvinile deinosuchus in the swamp, found not a single fish in site for 10-15mins so I headed east and north up the swamps and rivers to the estuary wall, and not a single fish or elite fish spawned.

I died of starvation as soon as I got to the location after an hour.

Is this a known issue? (I did spend considerable break points of 4-5mins each time seeing if ai would spawn (like legacy) as my hunger approached starving.

[charred dew]

in my experience the fish at the swamp tend to spawn in in certain area
usually the gaint main lake , or the smaller ponds between river delta / swamp

[minor salmon]

I checked the smaller ponds but there was nothing there.

[charred dew]

are there other players around?

[minor salmon]

There were none at the time in the water, and since I was a juvi I couldn't make out perspective wise anything above the grass.

[charred dew]

current ai is so unpredictable and forces ppl to stay in one spot
doesn't seem like the devs are working on it rn judging from recent patches

[charred dew]

have you checked the stream leads you toward delta?

usually there is 1-2 schools of fish can provide you carbs diet

[minor salmon]

I am checking them now. I just spent the last 1hr going from the water dam area down. There was alot of fish from cascades to fork plains. But nothing from forks plains to the delta region so far. I am still looking.

[charred dew]

slower nutrition decline mutation might come in handy if you want to live a peaceful / non cannibalistic deino life

[minor salmon]

Considering there are no other players around at all in these rivers, I have no other choice but to be pacifistic and go after just ai.

I have been trying the last 2 days to get the salt water mutation to check it out, and then swim to south planes from the swamp, but the ai number has been so low and 0 players in the region even on a full server, that I cannot make it long enough to gain it.

[charred dew]

or maybe log off wait for the MZ to change
there will be tons of food once diablo are at the swamp, they tend to kill each other

[minor salmon]

Thanks for the advice. Hopefuly the mods can see this discussion and look into it.

[delicate stream]

Friend.. the fish spawns were broken since update before the last ..(meaning for more than two months now). After which many of us lost our full grown crocks not finding any for hours.. Looking at your comment and the "changelog" of very last update it seems that issue still haven't been fixed so.. best avoid playing as deino till next eclipse when they finally address the issue.

[blazing patio]

fix issues < new playable classes. no more words needed tbh....

[timber island]

@delicate phoenix behold, the flying dibble

jokes aside waht the actual hell

we got flying stegos now we got flying dibbles

[delicate phoenix]

yah lol

XD

idk how

[timber island]

cheaters 🤷‍♂️

[delicate phoenix]

yeah most likely

[median socket]

Have the sea turtles been removed, I haven't seen one in months.

[timber island]

go to the southern beach

theres like 80

[north current]

I saw a few earlier

[compact zodiac]

there not there and im a salt water deino

[timber island]

ive seen dozens

the entire beach covered in them as a raptor

[compact zodiac]

Then it's just the server I'm on

[proven geode]

make the ocean livable salt water croc dies anywhere but forced to go to sit in two locations whats the point of the rest of the map?

[dry sparrow]

The ocean needs some life besides turtles. I would love to battleor flee from Orcas/sharks/mosasaurus AI as an adult deino or a duo of adult deinos. Carcasses could be valuable food hotspots for scavengers If there was a mechanic of beaching them via tides

[proven geode]

agree i traveled to that south east island yesterday just to explore luckily found A deer so i didnt starve... so much of the map is under utilized.
More water spots would be awesome to. to encourage people to branch out on the map and not sit in two to three main spots is so annoying

[blissful oar]

That’d be cool ngl

[thorny dragon]

@compact flint Do you mean troodon?

[compact flint]

oh yes

XD

sorry haha

[spice pasture]

AI scares off to easily. as ptera ive seen people scare it off without it making a sound.

[ruby void]

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever seen wild boar in this edition?

[tiny bobcat]

How to Heck did frogs got up the tree lol

[white sage]

I played Legacy for an entire day a few weeks ago before I realised Evrima existed. I think I've only seen boar in Evrima. Mostly in the first week. I've only seen deer since.

I probably saw less than a handful of deer while recently trying herbi and growing a Teno to 100% while migrating through half the map.

Today, I played around with Carno again around the south plains and roamed patiently to see if AI would spawn near populated areas. Not a single one.

[final nebula]

frustrated playing as ptera, no AI all over the map, fish only based diet sucks

[timber island]

go to west rail access

full of frogs

[final nebula]

really? nice

[rigid minnow]

Pardon?

[rigid minnow]

The islands too around West Rail spawn turtles.

[tight scroll]

Yeah idk why that’s there when they’re not even in the game yet?

Or are they? If they are I’ve never seen a taco yet

[spare gorge]

They were planned to be in the hordetest but got cancelled due to the already drawn-out, bug-ridden nature of it

We likely get them quite soon

[tight scroll]

Sick

[devout portal]

need the AI to drink?

[smoky verge]

I don't think so

[devout portal]

thank you

[wispy moss]

Why do I have a ping in ai feedback?

[smoky verge]

Now it's 'cause of me

I don't know about the other one

[soft sedge]

#ai-feedback message That's actually good as you shouldn't always have the diet you want

#ai-feedback message I strongly agree with this and while the fish pretty much already exist it should be increased and having something carnis can just eat like grazing would be great

Beipi already has fish and crabs give other things that eat meat something like that

Maybe have carnis be able to dig into dirt to find moles or something

[wraith pulsar]

Right, just don't have it be part of the diet or something as a trade off. You won't die but it won't increase your growth rate, blood regen, etc.

[soft sedge]

Just like grazing

And have it only fill some much like grazing

[wraith pulsar]

Right, like very, very small fish schooling in the rivers. And the digging for moles thing is a great idea.

[soft sedge]

Yeah it would be perfect for carnis as they really struggle with food as it is

[wraith pulsar]

Yeah, plus it would add immersion to the world that just seems empty of life honeslty

[final nebula]

frog sound doesn't make sense, i allways hear it on my right, then i turn right and still hear it on the right, its basically just ambient sound, the forg itself make none

[tiny bobcat]

Frogs make sound, sometimes even when dead lol

[empty hound]

Do something about the cheaters

[thorny dragon]

Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers. This channel is to discuss posts from #ai-feedback

[craggy creek]

Am i allowed to ask questions here?

[thorny dragon]

See the above message, you can use #isle-discussion for general chat

[craggy creek]

but its related to feedback for the game.

[thorny dragon]

You can use #isle-discussion for that too

[willow plaza]

please more fish zero fish in water access and north lake

[signal solstice]

please put much more AI's as a ptero i died 3 times from hunger.. didnt find a single fish pool and 0 frogs... its super annoying...!!!! seriously...

[tiny bobcat]

AI spawns near group of players so go to a Hotspot or populated area

[tiny bobcat]

AI spawns near group of players so go to a Hotspot or populated area

[signal solstice]

why ??? its AI's ...should be all over the map how as ptero gonna land and find a frog when iam one shot... its stupid af

[tiny bobcat]

Idk why lol

[signal solstice]

PS: why to have hotspot still developers should find a way to split all dinos somehow.. beeing 100 dinos in one place is even more stupid a WHOOOOLE map empty but 100 metres of land 100 dinos ... lmao

[tiny bobcat]

We getting Random spawns and AI Pteras 1 calling near groups/alone players so maybe its gonna be easier to find AI or Players idk we'll see soon.

[signal solstice]

still they need increase ai's all over the map, wasted 20min each time of the 3, without food..old days used to find way too many ai's

[tiny bobcat]

True theres no reason for AI only
Spawning in areas with high population if theres alr players to hunt.

[frail estuary]

#ai-feedback message
Turtles are currently in the game, just a little hard to find
@random bloom

[timber island]

go to the southern beach you can find them by the hundreds sometimes

[random bloom]

FRESH WATER

to get diets as deino for ex...

[frail estuary]

Ah, would be good to include that info!

[random bloom]

ok

[white sage]

I often use the southern lake for water but I've never seen a turtle in the game while checking out the beach.

[rigid minnow]

West Rail beach has turtles.

[white sage]

Thanks. I impatiently drowned myself while bleeding from multiple raptor pounces. Mostly my fault. Only my second fight with one and I was testing strategies. No point putting my dino's teeth between them and my torso if they can simply jump at my chest and end up clawing the side of my back.

I was only a pup after one halfish meal though.

And I didn't see any turtles. I'll have a look next time.

[white sage]

I found one! They're bigger than I expected but I suppose I was only a large pup at that point.

[timber island]

tset

[bold sonnet]

make unstuck work. Friends are close so wont let me unstuck.

[trail phoenix]

is there a timer for AI spawn?

[signal solstice]

where the heck are all AI's iam about to die as deino and havent found a single not even a fishing pool....

[knotty steeple]

Where did you spawn?

Ai spawns around players, so youre better off going to hotspots

[signal solstice]

i moved from Dam lake to swamps and didnt found anything.. i found ONE meat and it stuck on my mouth and cant eat and cant drop it... is there any way to refund my money, this game is going from worse to SUPER worse!

[knotty steeple]

If youre trying to grow a deino youre better off staying at water access and cannibalising to grow

[signal solstice]

what to canni ??? i cant find anything not even a fishing pool... what are u talking about....there used to be plenty of AI's from patch to patch this game is getting... beep

[knotty steeple]

Your own species, theres a reason deino is a cannibal. Or just play something that isnt so restricted.

[blissful oar]

I find fish pretty often, you might just be unlucky 😦

[glad tangle]

Is there any reliable areas where deer spawn? Because all I'm finding lately are mainly goats.

[cunning storm]

@glad tangle south east of the east dome. Why? Cuz that's where all pachies and tenos are. They eat at the coast and drink around the dome and that generates a bunch of deers in the jungle

[glad tangle]

Gotcha, thanks!

[tiny bobcat]

@terse kelp AI only spawns in Populated areas, idk why they made it like that, just makes more hotspots

[tawny mason]

frogs are too damn fast :c its so hard to get them as a baby ptera

[terse kelp]

It’d help performance if certain areas weren’t so crowded

[tiny bobcat]

fr

[hybrid timber]

server owners should be able to adjust ai density in certain regions... lets say you can have 0% ai spawn in south plains and 80% in east plains where you have a lot less players to hunt

[tiny bobcat]

@signal solstice Rn in the HT i see AI anywhere i spawn, if not i just go to patrol or Migrations, AI spawns are actually good in the HT.

[silver raven]

@molten mulch Literally planned

[molten mulch]

nice

but when?

now that the port are almost there wodurch be a nice addition

[silver raven]

When rule 10 is no longer a thing

[fickle robin]

#ai-feedback message less deinos the better tbh

growing a deino should be one of the hardest things in the game given how dangerous they are

[signal solstice]

i did a deino, and i reached swamps to find an exotic fish...

[signal solstice]

plus iam talking about the evrima not the HT

[fickle robin]

#ai-feedback message its on ptera diet

but yeah should be on more diets, could do it like how sanctuary mushrooms are on herbivore diets until they reach a certain growth % and then they're no longer beneficial

[tiny bobcat]

atleast we get good AI spawns soon, the only thing you can do in evrima to find AI is go to a hotspot if you can.

[fluid latch]

Nah they’re easily avoidable if anything they are in a pretty bad spot atm

[silent patrol]

the PT would like to know your location #ai-feedback message

[spark vessel]

Why arent there AI bigger dinos to hunt? It feels so lame hunting deer and boars as a dino

[silent patrol]

bigger AI in migation zones would be neat to have

[silver raven]

Hunt players then

[soft sedge]

Those will be added

Probably around the time Rex gets added

[desert cloud]

Create a sickness for mix packing Carnivores and herbivores. I hate this more then anything. I except herbivores mix packing but not carnos.

[velvet thorn]

Yes please do

But also u should put this in balance or general feedback so ppl can vote on it and devs will see it

[silver raven]

Please no
We got enough bad ideas in there already

[velvet thorn]

Right, because adding a feature to deter something completely realistic and fully balanced Dino combos is a terrible idea! How dare I say he should suggest it!

[silver raven]

If the feature is worse than the issue it' supposed to solve, then it's a bad idea

[velvet thorn]

How exactly is the feature worse? If a carnivore was around a bunch of herbivores I would like to bet money that the carnivore would start salivating, or start feeling more hungry. Even if a new feature wasn’t a “sickness”, but instead a debuff such as lose food and diets quicker, or muscle spasms, then that’s fine.

They don’t belong together as friends. Mixpackers make the excuse of “I wanna be this but my friend wants to be this”, but honestly a lot of the mixpackers I’ve seen have done it simply because what are you going to do against a FG steggo, pachy, Tenno, with FG carno and raptors. They do it to chase people down and KOS.

[silver raven]

Then it becomes a tool for mixpackers
Just wait for a second

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

This one is for stress but most points also apply to a "sickness" or "hunger" debuff

[velvet thorn]

All of this is correctable, but we all know the devs would never put that much effort into it.

[silver raven]

If it is correctable, then I've never heard of solutions for it

[velvet thorn]

Considering AI still somehow cause server problems but yet still have issues spawning when players need them to, the mixpacking thing would never be touched by a feature in the game. It’d have to be a server rule, but yet again, they just don’t care

[silver raven]

They care
But server rules don't really work either

[velvet thorn]

It would take a lot of complex game development that’s for sure. But they won’t spend the time on that one feature when the game isn’t released yet

[velvet thorn]

I’m not saying they don’t care about the game in general, I’m saying they don’t care about mixpackers

[silver raven]

Because they need admins to be enforced
And admins already have a lot on their plates, without needing the extra hassle of answering every kid who screams about a dryo and a stego resting in the same general area

[velvet thorn]

Okay hold on. Herbi-herbi mixpacking is not a problem, or even herbi-Omni

[silver raven]

They care about mixpackers
There is even actually a feature to deter mixpackers (and the only one that can work in my opinion) which is mixpacking scent
Too bad the scent system is terrible, otherw<ise it would have been a great fix

[velvet thorn]

A carnivore has no business spending its entire life in a pack of herbivores

[silver raven]

You're not every kid

[velvet thorn]

Mixpacking scent? What?

[silver raven]

Depends on what carnivore, and what herbivore
If a group of dryos decide to hang out near a rex and the rex lets them be because they think it's funny, what's the problem ?

[velvet thorn]

That red icon is not a “mix pack” it’s just a pack

[silver raven]

It shows up for both megapacks and mixpacks

[velvet thorn]

Again, it’s just packs. Not specifically mix packs. It has nothing to do with mixpacking so you can’t call it a feature for that. When I run dilo with friends and I veer off from the group, when the 3 of them are standing together, I can smell them as a pack

[silver raven]

It also shows up for groups of different species

[velvet thorn]

Yes but just because they’re different species doesn’t mean they’re not a pack/herd

[silver raven]

But anyway, a sickness debuff has been discussed hundreds of times already
It would either end up being useless, too restrictive so it ruins the fun for everyone including non-mixpackers, or straight-up a griefing tool

[velvet thorn]

Then make a rule against herbivore-carnivore mixpacking and enforce it. I’m not exactly sure what the tons of admins these servers have do all day to warrant them “having enough on their plate”. One of the most common things people need an admin for is an unstuck because of the poorly designed spots on the map/wack physics of the game sometimes. Yet I hardly ever see admins respond to unstuck pings- in fact some of them don’t even want you to dm them for it

[silver raven]

Cheaters

[velvet thorn]

If the current server admins can’t handle enforcing a simple rule for a bit while people start realizing it’s unacceptable, then what good is having that many admins

[silver raven]

Ok, give me a simple rule that prevents all mixpacking and requires minimal effort from the admins to enforce

[velvet thorn]

Yeah and how many people ping for cheaters every day and get a response from an Official Server Admin?

[velvet thorn]

Why the hell should it require minimum effort? They’re server admins for god sake. They signed up to do this when they decided to become an admin for a game’s official server network.

[silver raven]

They also have lives
Being a server admin isn't a paid job

[silver raven]

Admins explained many times why they don't say it when they investigate or ban a cheater

[velvet thorn]

I’m aware of that. But there are how many of them? If they can’t respond to pings then and there, then they should create a reporting system. Add a ticket bot or anything to help with that.

[velvet thorn]

I’m fully aware of why they don’t say it or typically give a specific reason for a ban. But how do we know if they’re actually doing anything or not? We don’t. It’s left up to chance that an admin is actually investigating the issue, or if the ping for the complaint will just be lost in the chats within the next 30 minutes.

[silver raven]

Look, you can just ask an admin when they're online, they'll be better able to explain it to you than I am

[silver raven]

Yeah that's the price of it
You just gotta assume every admin is not a liar

[velvet thorn]

It’s not my first rodeo. I understand how it works. I’m just saying from my personal view, there are only a few that I won’t name that actually do their role. I see the discord admins responding to official server admin pings more often. To me that just says they know they won’t see it for a while so they’ve got to send it somewhere that they will.

[velvet thorn]

Well they can’t be lying about anything when they aren’t responding or looking at the pings half the time lmao

[left sequoia]

That is just not true

[velvet thorn]

Please feel free to provide me with how it isn’t true.

[left sequoia]

Packs within the group limit do not in any case show up on scent if they are the same species. Would make finding other groups way too easy.

[timber island]

it's a mixpack/megapack icon not a pack icon

shows what the game thinks may be a mixpack or a megapack

[velvet thorn]

Weird because when I was playing with my friends who were in my group a couple days ago, they were showing up as a pack icon on the scent UI. We were all the same species, so unless what y’all are saying isn’t how the icon works, then the game probably was bugging out.

Then again earlier there was a group of 4 deinos hanging around a body, and they showed up as the pack icon as well. Could have been because only 2 can be in a group, but idk.

[left sequoia]

Might have been a bug or there were other small dinos close to you

[velvet thorn]

Very possible. We were in west rail so tons of juvys spawn there and they’re so damn small we may not of seen them running through the grass

[tiny bobcat]

@glad tangle thats a sound trap that lets players know that you there, these pteros spawn near trees

[timber island]

@pastel wren ai no longer spawns around you based on your food level

it spawns around players, so the more players there are, the more ai

[pastel wren]

ahhh, Alright Thanks

[left sequoia]

And I feel like ai is herbivore biased or at least weight based since one stego at a lone pond spawns ai while a ptera or raptor sitting there does not

[serene cosmos]

Every fresh water source on the map should have AI fish of some variety and quantity in them. If for nothing else just to enhance the environment. If a dieno goes to a fresh water source and AI fish actually spawns in, suddenly everyone knows there's probably a Dieno there and won't risk drinking.

[velvet thorn]

Just make it to where ALL the fish don’t jump for no reason

But also fish will spawn even if there is a hererra around. Beipi. Ptera, it’s not just deino

[spark vessel]

yet again starving in north lake, a whole ass lake withot ONE FISH. like cmon its just lame. fix it.

[analog bobcat]

I also Cannot find a SINGLE fish for hours

[mild lance]

Is there any place were i can find information about the icons that appear While i smell ??