general-feedback-discussion

[tranquil finch]

and trike should definitely be stronger since I don’t see a 35-40km/h trike happening

for balance, yes

[chrome quail]

But stego can literally hold its own now? It’s a genuine skill issue after all these buffs Stego has had

[tranquil finch]

nope

[chrome quail]

Trike I get it needs more to its kit and stuff but stego?

[chrome quail]

U a stego main?

[tranquil finch]

Nope

I enjoy playing rex the most out of all playables

[chrome quail]

Bruh

[tranquil finch]

it’s just too strong

it’s so fast, it’s trot speed is too fast, and it’s extremely strong

a fractured trike cannot do anything against a rex

only 4 crushes for fracture

[chrome quail]

That’s how it should be entire point of a Rex fracturing you Is so that the prey is disabled and can’t do much to the Rex?

[tranquil finch]

Now does that seem balanced to you

[chrome quail]

Well kind of once they sort trike out it will be

[tranquil finch]

yeah, trike is very bad right now

everything benefits the rex in a trike vs rex fight

[chrome quail]

Trikes kit is so bad

They removed that attack the hold lmb while staying still

[wispy jacinth]

guys if i was infertile with my deino can i still reach prime ?

[tranquil finch]

and stego, if it’s kept like this is alright I guess, though there are a couple bugs for example if you let go of crush you tank the stego tail swing and both of you get damaged

[chrome quail]

Think that’s because of stego fast attacks

[tranquil finch]

but they should 100% do something about frail dinos, a frail trike or frail stego are just free meals for a prime rex

[chrome quail]

But trike can knock down a trex btw

[tranquil finch]

rex still stronger

[chrome quail]

Trike just has raw power does little bleed for some reason

[tranquil finch]

one on one trike should always be stronger since rex doesn’t have to fight, it can run away

[tranquil finch]

but trike has to fight since it’s slower

• herbivores aren’t only food for carnivores

[chrome quail]

True

[chrome quail]

Trike is stronger but it has some flaws in 1to1 its agility in spar is bad but u cant really play defensively against a Rex

But if we lower Rex fracture damage

And increase its bite force like what they did back in ht stego will be fodder

[tranquil finch]

only takes 4 crushes to fracture a trike, even works on the head

Balance is so easy, at equal growth (prime x prime, frail x frail, adult adult), the stronger one should always be slower or have another means of getting away (raptors getting on rocks, herreras climbing trees, dryo dodging or hiding)

[chrome quail]

Head thing will be sorted

[chrome quail]

But it only takes like 3 thrashes to kill a Rex tho

[tranquil finch]

to support my point of stego being weak https://youtube.com/shorts/mFddRCg3MAk?si=9kpYrNO60ykC-hAx

[chrome quail]

And thrash hitbox works on a trike backside

[chrome quail]

That guy is immortal the rex would’ve been dead ages ago?

[tranquil finch]

was meant to be a joke

but stego IS weak

[chrome quail]

Oh ok

[tranquil finch]

rex obviously was being healed

but stego is weak either way

[chrome quail]

Compared to Rex yes but stego needs to be faster than Rex

[tranquil finch]

either faster or stronger

[chrome quail]

Just make Rex 28.5kmh stego 29.4

[tranquil finch]

and frail elders are absolutely ass

[chrome quail]

Definitely doesn’t need to be stronger

That’s what trike is for but trike kit needs reworking

[junior nymph]

@drifting rose

[drifting rose]

off gaurd feats 💀 ☠️

[tranquil finch]

I mean could be, since 100% prime stego against 88% prime rex stego is slower and weaker

[chrome quail]

One is in their prime other one is old

[tranquil finch]

yeah and that breaks the whole game in my opinion

[chrome quail]

True but it does add more realism

[tranquil finch]

Who cares about realism if the game isn’t fun

[chrome quail]

True no one but elder system is just like that

[tranquil finch]

I genuinely think the game will fall off if they don’t do anything

[livid ember]

Trike is not stronger than rex mate💀💀💀

[chrome quail]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-crazy-crazy-ishowspeed-speed-crashing-out-gif-13267980027367138180

[chrome quail]

💯

[livid ember]

https://youtu.be/l7-YOHLfGeQ?si=IlZokr-9yO8i46Ah crazy how ppl still say trike is stronger than rex even after these tests being thrown in their faces

[tranquil finch]

are we starting a #NerfRex after our name

[livid ember]

https://youtu.be/0t50XzXAW3o?si=gEr4CbBRj8iTMoz2

[tranquil finch]

if so I will gladly join

[livid ember]

Im kinda tired to repeat everything to this rex defender so I'll just dip after sending 2 vids
Yeah trike is surely stronger, winning 1 fight out of 7 🙂

[tranquil finch]

people who say Rex doesnt need a nerf probably didn’t play stego or trike yet

[livid ember]

Stego funnily is better vs rex than trike

You can at least stun rex reliably and is not handicapped if fractured

[chrome quail]

true but if ur fractured you only have like 3-4 powerswing left at most

[livid ember]

You can do great dmg before being fractured

After all, all that rex drool cries in feedback to nerf stego are there for a reason
They don't say anything abt trike cuz they like trike being free food

Stego bleed is also scary

[tranquil finch]

this is wild

[tiny salmon]

Im sorry you are feeling that way to 🫂

[chrome quail]

?

[livid ember]

I mean stego is strong cuz rex mains cry to nerf it

[pliant elm]

@ocean coral Trike doesn't need a buff, Rex needs a nerf

[ocean coral]

it does

the changes that they did to it this update

[bitter forum]

do the fatal errror crashes have to do with the server youre playing on? because it only happens when i play on a certain server

[pliant elm]

Trike is very well balanced, i'd even say Thrash needs a damage nerf

But when compared to the Rex, the Trike seems to need a buff, whereas it's the Rex that needs a change

[ocean coral]

you will rarely use thrash in fights 💀 wdym it needs a nerf

thrashing makes you extremely vulnerable

[pliant elm]

Trike can deal 6k to 9k damage using Thrash

In 2 hits

[ocean coral]

it makes sense

u can’t deal the full 6k in a Rex fight tho

[pliant elm]

It's not about making sense, it's about being fair

[ocean coral]

you can only stun Rexes

Can’t knock them down

And if you miss you’re thrash once consider you’re self dead

all that needs to be fixed with thrash is its hitbox gng

[pliant elm]

And that's exactly why, among other reasons, the Rex is the one that needs a nerf. Trike literally doesn't need any buffs

[ocean coral]

What nerfs does rex need 💀 it just needs its fracture nerfed a bit, trike can’t stun in place anymore

[pliant elm]

Rex needs a nerf to his Fracture and Agility

[ocean coral]

His agility is fine

fracture yeah it needs a nerf

Rex is legit known to be the most agile big therapod

[pliant elm]

No. Rex turn like a Cerato

[ocean coral]

No he doesn’t 💀 turns like a dilo at most

[pliant elm]

Definitely not xd

Dilo turn is much worse than Rex

[livid ember]

Trike should be able to stun rex while standing, like rex does w crush

[pliant elm]

Well, that's true. I don't know why they removed the standing flip

[wind garden]

Yeah dilo is just weak need some love

[stoic osprey]

Ngl the fact that trike apparently can't stand up to rex in a fight is a little wild. Rex fossils legit have had evidence of very nasty wounds from trike. I'd def say rex is prolyl the one that needs a nerf

[rancid pagoda]

The main problem is that trike has no powerful move to use against Rex

Standing flip was removed so now trike is at the rexes mercy once it gets close. No stun and is forced to rely on a silly sparring system that no one knows how to use and never has been explained

[stoic osprey]

r i p

[outer yacht]

Imagine if literally anything was explained to the players. Heaven

[vagrant phoenix]

@narrow cypress I didnt say I never tested these myself with same weight Allo against Cera, Teno, Maia, Diablo. The only one out of those who could reliably defend itself (without running to escape) was Cera because of ceras high bleed resistance, the Allo needs to tank the Tenos kicks while using claw swipe (and trust me I'm not a bad Teno), it took him 2 claw swipes to make me stop chasing him and play defensive in which all he had to do after was pounce me and I'd bleed out. You'd think dibble has a chance against a single Allo but even prime against prime the dibble loses because it's slower and the Allo can again, SOMEHOW tank dibble and use it's claw swipe and pounce over and over (yes I'm not a bad dibble). Maia was played by someone else better than me and it stood a chance... When it camped water because otherwise you'd bleed out or die to the pounce (bucking as always has little effect)

And also, prime Allo and prime dibble, if in a face tank, Allo wins 💀

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @storm aurora

[wooden agate]

<@&933486433342222376>

[clear knoll]

i know i should be posting this in the general feedback but i got 6h cd over there cuz i didnt know if i send 1 message is gonna get cd, this was recorded on unofficial Mettas Den, hope this can be helpfull to u devs

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

While I dont think it should do pretty much... any damage, considering it would likely be only small pebbles/rocks that PT is grabbing, i DO like the idea of just randomly dropping rocks and sticks on players as a mild annoyance.

[limber hull]

this is one of those situations where honestly, i genuinely think it shouldn't be framed as a buff because it genuinely feels kind of in-character for ptera

a behaviour that isn't lethal but is designed to dissuade would-be predators from sticking near their area feels genuinely in-character for the species

it feels more like a mechanic that gives more personality to ptera over viability

[junior nymph]

that is a known issue, it also happens with rex crush and other pins

[ember yacht]

It definitely needs to do enough to at least deal good damage to smaller Dinos

Such as Raptor or below

Otherwise... Not really a buff

[junior nymph]

I mean

the aim is that it shouldnt be killing raptors

the whole reason why its getting its landkit is so it can fight very well on the ground

and we both know it will do enough damage for it to kill carnos if you set your mind to it

[ember yacht]

I feel Raptors are pretty reasonable to able to fight from the air, plus it's not like it's an on demand projectile, I imagine you'd need to press G on a Gastrolith spot

Which would still leave you a little vulnerable

So you'd need to practice getting out of their LoS

Sticks could definitely be a good additional idea that deals less damage

That way we can take advantage of our tree friends even further

If you can't kill a Raptor from the sky... You're just dead when you land

[lapis swallow]

or you just leave the place, since you can do that easily

[vale pawn]

Why would you attack a raptor as a ptera, even before the changes

[ember yacht]

Revenge and trolling from the sky

[vale pawn]

Ok i was interpreting it as some actual survival for food or combat scenario 💀

[ember yacht]

Nope, just revenge, definitely can be used as a viable hunting tactic against smaller less powerful Dinos and AI though

[clear knoll]

ok good to know who to stay away from

[wooden agate]

thats more of Quetz's thing. Pteranodon is meant to be getting onto the ground and tussling with juveniles smaller than itself (and PT will likely be getting a sizeable weight buff)

if Pteranodon was meant to be effective at combat in the sky against larger animals, they wouldnt have made it fall out of the sky when attacking them

[limber hull]

there's no universe where a pebble is killing a raptor, nor should it

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/coach-left-4-dead-this-a-burger-tank-surprised-oh-gif-4853657694729558684

[grand gate]

guys who can help me

[vernal jacinth]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧
This is for feedback only.

And #general-feedback is not for that either.

[ember yacht]

Rock, a pebble is different

[limber hull]

its still not gonna kill a raptor

its a 45kg bird lifting a proportionally logical rock trying to kill a 390kg raptor

[narrow cypress]

if the dibble plays smart he is always gonna win 100% , i have played vs good dibbles players and is very hard to win something that you cant turn around , i mean is very but very hard to win the back of the dibble because of the lack of agility of allo , the claw swipe for dibble works really really bad , i mean you need to hit in the body and to do the atack you need to run 1.5 sec so it is fairly not viable to do it , I am a allo player that doesnt use the pounce but is a battle that depends 100% of the skill of the players , i mean a bad dibble always is gonna lost and the same with allo , btw dibble knocked down allo while running and with the agility of allo is very very bad sois not very difficult to knocked down and dibble stun allo when he hit in the face so the advantage always will have the dibble

[urban flax]

"Dibble always wins against allo"
"i don't use pounce"
Hmmmmm

[limber hull]

lmao ikr

if only there was something allo could do that would REALLY mess up a dibble with the dibble being able to do little to nothing about it

all while the allo does consistent bleed and damage over time

dibble has bleed res, but that doesn't mean the allo isn't at the advantage

literally, use pounce

relying on claw swipe is the wrong choice against dibble

[fast garnet]

Skill issue

[narrow cypress]

lmao try man , go to primal or a similar server and try allo vs dib , and later you come and told me , try the allo vs a good diablo and you wouldnt have that opinion

[vagrant phoenix]

This is all ignoring the fact that a single dibble gets pinned by 2 allos btw

[narrow cypress]

and dibbles can be 6 in group btw

and allos 3

[fast garnet]

Playing dibble its no skill

[vagrant phoenix]

.

[fast garnet]

Its only running and hitting

Not that hard lmao

[vagrant phoenix]

By that logic most Dino's are easy then xd

[fast garnet]

Just like stego

Spamming its power atack and thats it

[fast garnet]

Swing*

[narrow cypress]

all guys that have fight vs a good diablo with allo told the same is nearly imposibble , because if they play smart they can knocked down you every time you try to bite , because without agility is nearly imposible

[vagrant phoenix]

Guess it's bye bye to solo dibble :/

[narrow cypress]

any dino cant play now alone without dieying xd , except for carno for the rest is a dead sentence

[fast garnet]

They should remove pounce but Buff its speed and agility and Buff its biteforce

[narrow cypress]

pounce is not a real mechanic and should be remove facts

is not a mechanic for a 4t dino

is good for a small dino like raptor but not for allo

[vagrant phoenix]

Deino and rex are viable solo but then again you're dead from 2 rexes and Deinos

[vagrant phoenix]

I think that's the real issue

[narrow cypress]

Ptera xd

[vagrant phoenix]

Oh that too, Hipsy... Herra... Troodon?

[limber hull]

you won't BELIEVE what allo's gameplay is

it's actually even easier than dibble's

you don't even need to strafe or worry about sparring sstance

[limber hull]

i can play most dinos solo quite easily, its literally just dibble i think has a problem with solo survival

[narrow cypress]

try to up a allo or a cera to 100% alone , i am 100% sure you are gonna die from cannis or herbs trying to hunt you , i men what you are saying is not realistic what you are saying , in this point of the game playing alone is a dead sentence

[limber hull]

i have, cera was honestly not that hard to do

just, y'know, remember that swimming is a thing

[narrow cypress]

Solo is dead with cera , 2 carnos can easily kill , 1 allo can , mixpack of herbs easily can , a 50% rex that runs 45 oneshot I mean is really really hard

[pliant elm]

Dibble vs Allo is what Trike vs Rex should have been from the start...

[limber hull]

what no

[lapis swallow]

so allo just mauling it?

[narrow cypress]

Xd

[narrow cypress]

A good dibble always is gonna win and a very good allo always is gonna win to a mid dibble

[lapis swallow]

@ripe spire if you play the game normally and dont screw up, you are getting prime most of the time

[ripe spire]

I know I can, that is not the point.

I can't understand people defending this absolute trash

[pliant elm]

No. Dibble has a very clear advantage over Allo

Unlike the Trike Vs Rex currently

[lapis swallow]

what would you want instead?

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message can someone ping this person since im blocked by them and tell them to disable physics foliage

[narrow cypress]

Finally something we agree ahahhahaha

[vernal jacinth]

@gentle lichen disable physics foliage!

[vernal jacinth]

Got you Frolo 👍🏻

[junior nymph]

thanks

[ripe spire]

Anything that doesn't tell me what I need to do in a damn survival game! A game where the only goal is to survive and reward me for being able to stay alive for a long time, not punish me if I'm not playing "as intended". I want to create my own journey like we've always done in The Isle. With the elder system I hoped for something that encourages this.

-I'm not saying the way frail and prime elders work is wrong (which it is)
-I'm not saying the stat values for elders, both frail and prime, are silly (which they are)
-I'm not saying the repetitive nature of this system is annoying (which it is)

What I'm saying is that this elder crap goes completely against the desgin philosophy of any survival game. What we got is something that butchers this idea by forcing us to go out of our (own) way to fulfill absolutely pointless missions.

[vernal jacinth]

If you want that you could try PoT

[ripe spire]

Yeah OR I could play a real survival game like The Isle has been for the last 10 years, not some slob with "quests"

[vernal jacinth]

The elder system just adds more for people to do to “survive”

[ripe spire]

which is simply not true

[junior nymph]

lets be honest here

[vernal jacinth]

Alright then. 👍🏻

[junior nymph]

the elder system has made people move around

[vernal jacinth]

That is true

[ripe spire]

It doesn't add anything, it forces you to move to certain locations even if it doesn't make sense in terms of playing a survival game where you decide depending on your situation

[vernal jacinth]

Survival is moving around

[junior nymph]

I dunno whats bad about elder

you play right you get prime

follow the gameloop, and boom prime

like ive got frail like twice in like 200 grows

[ripe spire]

If the devs want to make people move around more than rework how zones and their plant and AI spawns work, not tie this to the elder system which should have a compeltely different objective -> encouraging longterm survival gameplay and get rid of turning people into mindless PvP machines out of boredom

[vernal jacinth]

Thaaaaats what they did with the prime system???

Cause you have to move to find food and zones for it to work

[ripe spire]

you really don't get it, do you?

[vernal jacinth]

Seems like you don’t either

[junior nymph]

I agree that migrations and patrols need some tweaking, hell MZs dont work as intended, but it does encourage longer times as you know, you entomb you are now buffed, you do that 3 times you are literally at the peak of your species

I see both sides of the elder bad or elder good discussion, but if you actually look at how players play, the elder system has just made it better

less brawl at so and so hotspot, more movement around the map, more sanctuary usage etc

[ripe spire]

Please explain to me how it makes ANY sense in a survival game to move to a location (an invisible one by the way) just to tap into it so you then can move on and roam the map to where it makes sense given your situation? Not to mention multiple zones and over and over again with every single respawn.

[vernal jacinth]

Cause it gives you things to do and move around

The whole SP brawl zone was getting pretty boring anyway

[ripe spire]

Alright now I know you don't get it.

1. The "things to do" should be anything you need to do to survive, nothing else!
2. The elder system as a progression oriented system would already prevent mindless brawling because the players are more careful not to lose their dinos.
3. All the devs need to do to encourage more migration across the map is reworking the zones (more frequent zone changes, no AI spawns anywhere else, no plant spawns anywhere else, faster corpse decay outside of the zones, faster incubation inside the zones,...)

Since when do we need "things to do" (especially when those things are menial missions) in a survival game? We never needed that before and I guarantee you people will get fed up with this VERY soon. The whole point of this genre is that we forge our own path depending on our decision making, which is how ALL OF US have played The Isle ever since.
I play this game since the old days of progression on V2. I've played this game through every broken update, no matter how unfinished it was. Now this has got to be the first time I ever think about uninstalling. Not because something is broken but because the game has totally lost its way.

[vernal jacinth]

Okay go ahead on that if it works for you

[lucid sinew]

Remember Spyro the old map? I think they did Migrations perfectly in that map despite the map being an amateur built Jurassic World Evolution map. We all liked it, except for the Deino haters.

[urban flax]

This statement is a lie

[lucid sinew]

How so?

[cyan flame]

Well, migrations weren't a thing, unless I'm entirely mistaken. And lots of people did not like the map for various reasons.

[lucid sinew]

Different diets were spread across the map. Some diets spawned in specific zones which forced certain species to move. No, no migration mechanic was a thing.

And honestly my comments were a reaction to some of the things people were saying about migration and patrol zones

I should have hit replied.

The real tragedy with this game though, is that it wants to be a dinosaur survival game but is being built like a moba. So therefore it will probably will never be finished. But we still play it anyways because its the only intuitive dinosaur game that doesn't need you to pick up flowers as trex to progress.

[cyan flame]

Fair enough. And yes, diets were spread out, but as a stego main, I can't say it was all that good to just walk in the same "triangle" over and over. Not that I neccesarily think the current iteration of things are much better, but still.

[lucid sinew]

Yeah it was reptitive, although I did enjoy playing Stego on Spyro more than Gateway.

[cyan flame]

I think it'll be fine, we're getting closer to a more proper survival game, and less hotspot fighting, even though it might not end up perfectly fine. And yeah, the Isle is the currently best dino survival, and both BoB and PoT are trying for something slightly different anyway.

[lucid sinew]

With this game, it won't be the end product, it will be the friends we made along the way type of deal...haha.

[cyan flame]

I did not mind being a stego there, but I also just stuck with marigold on the oasis/mudpit side of plains after growing, since stamina diet was a good option anyway. But yeah, it's not neccesarily better on Gateway, but I do think this map is better than Spiro overall. It's more so various mechanics that make it somewhat frustrating at times.

I think it'll be fine, especially if unofficials do get more or less full control over the experience

[lucid sinew]

Yeah.

[ancient kestrel]

How is it built like moba lol

[cyan arch]

Anyone know what was added in this 4gb update?

[lucid sinew]

Let's buff Raptor...next patch...oh lets nerf its bleed and make its pounce cost more stamina...oh next patch oh wait lets buff its bleed again. Also...dinosaurs with mutations...ahh there will be meta combat builds and if you look closely there are hidden mutations that are locked or still in development. I bet you one day some of those would allow us to transform as hypos in the games final end step.

And then we consider that the lingering idea of humans is always teased...its gonna be humans vs dinosaurs all over again

Elder Scrolls 6 will be released before this game is done

[lucid sinew]

But idk I quite like this setup unironically. The Isle development lore, if you think about the game development in the past decade..it is a great basis for a new Jurassic Park trilogy in my opinion. I did not generate this idea on chatgpt or whatever the writers nowadays need to write something for netflix. But think about it...one science team on the island wants to make dinosaurs on an island for entertainment purposes, so like a zoo and one other side of the development team on the island wants to militarize the dinos. And then one team decides to take half the embryos of the island to another island. The team that wanted to militarize the dinos gets screwed over because the other team took the strongest of embryos. So the militarized dinos squad scientists have to start all over....oh wait..I basically just explained the whole plot of the movies already in general.

[lucid sinew]

Ahh yes the iPhone 20 was added. No but I think it says what it did on the announcements page.

[cyan arch]

Thats so much space for just some player slots u.u

[lucid sinew]

Yeah

a bit odd

No they secretly shadow dropped the bary, nah just kidding.

[cosmic thorn]

How do you even unlock tapetum these days? Kill things at night still?

[cyan arch]

I was hoping they listened to our pleas and gave colors back

[icy lion]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[cyan arch]

Yeah I see that, I guess my pea brain doesn't understand removing the colors before the new stuff is ready

[limber hull]

like a... moba?

sorry i know how a moba plays and i really want to know how on earth this game is even remotely similar to one

[blissful atlas]

@devout pendant what about the prime model and the weight increase? would a prime remain the same size

[devout pendant]

That's a fair point, the model and size increase could remain as it's simply cooler but without the stat increase

[indigo gulch]

may I ask that you look at this as well? Because I feel like it's slight misinformation albeit not intentional #balance-feedback message

[blissful atlas]

idk about misinfo but

[indigo gulch]

is that intentional btw, the thing with the compies

[indigo gulch]

maybe I have misinterpreted the meaning of it, that would be on me

[blissful atlas]

i'm not certain. i haven't seen it happen since HT

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message I dont think people are realizing how slow Quetzal's trot speed would be if its animation was changed to this

for its walk animation, sure this is fine

but for an active trot, the current animation works fine

[ripe spire]

I love how some clowns here dislike feedback before they are done reading it

[drifting minnow]

what do yall think about having pick up/grab be a different keybind from ptera circle? if i remember once my slowmode is over im gonna send it to the main feedback channel but just figured i'd see what people think

[wooden agate]

yarg it is a bit odd that it's on the same keybind

i sorta wish it was an alt toggle or something instead, being flyers version of "altwalking"

[icy lion]

the enver used but still existing R key:

doesnt that cancel hypsi spit?

could also bind it to H since its like resting during flight

[drifting minnow]

even just an optional thing would be good tbh

[icy lion]

fits thematically, then, imo

[drifting minnow]

just a bind you can customize

[icy lion]

that too

[drifting minnow]

ideally every different thing each dino can do would be a custom bind but in the meantime stuff like this would be nice

theres def some keybind related changes that could be made that would make it easier for new players somewhere too but im def not qualified to make any specific suggestions about that

im pretty new myself and i had to google quite a few things, still dont really know a bunch of stuff on certain dinos

could prolly retain new players better if they didnt have to do google research

[wind mesa]

@merry ore #general-feedback message as long as i can disable it in settings, this would be cool.

[sweet mason]

omni prime is 660kg mate

[icy lion]

They're working on the tutorials now that the UI is in initial implementation

[drifting minnow]

nice

[narrow cypress]

@limber hull You have used allo in pvp?

[limber hull]

Ye

[icy lion]

There's a currently-unusable Tutorials button on the main menu, I'm curious what might appear in game outside of that

[narrow cypress]

particully you havent seen that is currently imposibble to enjoy pvp with a dino that doesnt turn ?

[drifting minnow]

i fell in love with this game early but i tried to get a couple of my friends to play and they quit because they didnt know what to do :<

tutorial would go crazy

[limber hull]

I think it’s fine as a balancing factor for its kit given its very good speed for its size

[limber hull]

If you wanna talk about Rex agility, I think it’s way too high

[sweet mason]

temporary fix: just run

if only the forward optionalmessage was actually functional

[merry ore]

Something tells me that if it weren't optional, your reaction would be similar to the one in the video I showed.
Dibble Pov X Rex:

[wind mesa]

if it weren't optional, i would vomit. :P

[narrow cypress]

well if they nerf diablos agility could be more balanced but right now it is hardly imposibble to do nothing vs your main rival that is dibble , it is more easy to kill dibbles with cera than with allo

[sweet mason]

agreed brother.

[limber hull]

Last thing dibble needs right now is a nerf

[sweet mason]

bro did not just say a rex can't turn

rex literally has the ability to do A WHOLE 180

[narrow cypress]

hhahahah what is needed is to nerf rex ambush xd

[sweet mason]

not in this game tho nuh uh smh

[limber hull]

Also your main rival as an allo is honestly more Maia than dibble

If you want to kill a dibble, you have groups to grapple it

[limber hull]

That too

Buff dibble and nerf Rex, that works

[merry ore]

Dibble doesn't need nerfs or buffs.

https://tenor.com/view/fat-point-bonk-hammer-smash-gif-17177814

[narrow cypress]

if you buff a little allo turn i aprove

[limber hull]

It is quite literally the worst animal in the game rn

Allo is fine it doesn’t need nothing

[merry ore]

Allo needs balancing.

[limber hull]

Grapple, clawswipe and bite are crazy good

[narrow cypress]

if they do more smooth animations in allo would be better , the drift for example is bug and things like that

for example the claw swipe need to be refined and things like that

[merry ore]

Allo doesn't need to be a giant Omniraptor, he needs to be reformed honestly.

[narrow cypress]

yeah but it needs to hunt xd , right now the preys that should be for the allosaurus are been eaten by the T-Rex, overshadowing its place in the ecosystem. Right now allo lives from been cannibal xd

[limber citrus]

The pounce looks kinda weird imo

Especially when I have a multi ton animal hanging onto me with no support on the ground

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

I personally think there’s too much large AI and the game should have a lot more rabbit/frog/crab and less boar/turtle/deer

also anything readding teno and dibble AI is an instant no go imho

[lucid sinew]

Sorry I was drunk earlier, don't take seriosuly half the things I say.

[desert arch]

@serene jasper @magic sapphire Have you tried deleting your config folder?

[serene jasper]

no i dont tried it.

[desert arch]

It should help with fps immensely

[junior nymph]

@magic sapphire turn off physics foiage

[serene jasper]

something else what can improvemnt fps? i have newst driver for graphic, also option on low.

[junior nymph]

do you have physics foliage enabled

[serene jasper]

no

[magic sapphire]

I haven't, but I can try it

[clever urchin]

@ocean coral Sorry for the ping, but did you try lowering down the 3D Resolution setting to 1? I'm running an RTX 3070 with a Ryzen 5 5600X and had no issues ever since I lowered that setting all the way down

[ocean coral]

How tf can u see with 1 3D resolution 💀

[clever urchin]

I adapt Jokes aside I really have no choice since my FPS tanks if I leave it at 100%. Haven't tried 25 yet tho.... While you are right, the game needs optimization, all I can really do is either adapt or stop playing all together

[ripe spire]

Bucking not working properly ever since they introduced pouncing has become kind of a running joke at this point.
Instead of fixing it they just add more pouncers 😂

[wooden agate]

i mean... it really just looks like grazing is overriding the bucking

its a relatively simple fix for when they get back, lol. bucking as a whole just doesnt work the way a majority of the community seems to think it does. this is why RNG mechanics are baaaaad

[serene jasper]

i tried delete config , but it help partial, i have 45-40FPS but when i turn camera back or to another direction FPS drop from 45 to 5 and go back to 45, when i move it again , it again drop to 5FPS.

[ripe spire]

How does it work then?

[wooden agate]

it drains stamina for both parties alongside having an RNG counter for getting the animal off you

which means basically, god decides if it works or not

[limber hull]

i'm honestly more upset by

A: Allo being able to backpounce a stego
B: Stego not being able to destroy an allo for doing so and instead having its tail clip through the allo

[wooden agate]

i just dislike current bucking as a whole

its problems have become much more upfront with the terrain bug

[ripe spire]

In my experience I don't even get the option to buck... whenever I press/hold E nothing happens

[wooden agate]

it does have like a 2 second delay when the pouncer first gets on you, yah

might be longer now actually, not sure

[ripe spire]

Yeah that makes no sense either. Also it seems you actually have to stand still for those 2 secs before you can start bucking. Moving resets this timer.

[limber hull]

bucking in general is just uh

bad atm lol

RNG, stamcost, basically resets the pouncer to somewhere safe

effectively never worth doing

[wooden agate]

pain pain and more PAIN from bucking

[latent olive]

@neon spade please use #general-feedback for feedback only

[hybrid lodge]

I guess that with each successive update it is just the developers goalto make any and all play by Deinosuchus nonviable. COnsidering now we cannot see more than 5 feet in front of us underwater. Cannot see out of the water. Cannot see far enough to hunt fish. Cannot see at night.

What's the point?

ambush predator can't even see to ambush this is the dumbest isht I have seen yet from these Devs.

[junior nymph]

deino is getting a rework soon

[hybrid lodge]

They planning to remove the ability to swim next? Or what about eating? Though with the near removal of most all the fish and the spawning being broken still they have basically already accomplished that.

I love how with this Dev team it is always like 1 step forward nine backward

[neat ibex]

Dowdy you sick cheese, did they end up fixing the ques? Haven’t been on since Xmas update and ques were non existent

[hybrid lodge]

yeah they work

[neat ibex]

You da man. You hopping on today or nah?

[hybrid lodge]

almost nothing else does and they game menu will burn your computer to death for some reason now

[neat ibex]

No shot are you joking?

[hybrid lodge]

naw after what its like i deleted and ill be back in a or two

not joking running a 3080 with 64gb ddr4 and a 13900k runs like dogisht

get into game and its fine

but menu burns everything to hell, its like its being used for bitcoin mining

[neat ibex]

Well message me when they fix it, I ain’t getting on either if it’s that bad. Lemme know we can run it when they fix it

[hybrid lodge]

i aint sticking around to find out ill be back in a literal year or so

[neat ibex]

100% fair

[junior nymph]

@earnest goblet they plan on changing the whole skin system to allow more colours than before but in different pallets so people cant make terrible skins

[earnest goblet]

but did they have to delete the current colors first???

[junior nymph]

I think the plan was to get the new system out before the hordetest got pushed to live branch, but due to time constraints that didnt happen

but devs should be back around 16th jan

[earnest goblet]

still no reason to delete colors

[wooden agate]

i mean, they didnt like the awful color combinations people could come up with

this fixes the problem in the mean time

and we know community servers will have access to many more color options, alongside potentially having a sort of color wheel

[icy lion]

@daring talon Check the pinned messages in #evrima-na #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[wind mesa]

@fossil violet #general-feedback message it sounds like you're not opening up the body enough before trying to grab the organs

[proper mantle]

@frosty ridge do you think that cows weigh 7t? 🤣

[frosty ridge]

i made it up

[frosty ridge]

you know rex in real life was 15T and trik was 14T

[proper mantle]

dude cows weighed less than 1t

[wooden agate]

goliath, the largest rex specimin we have, wouldve been lucky to hit 12t...

[proper mantle]

i guess the boars should weigh 4 tons then

[frosty ridge]

bruh in this game bore have 250 food but his hp is 350

[proper mantle]

and chickens weigh 2t

[wooden agate]

oh also momonga, you should be able to close EAC in your task manager when that bug happens and you should then be able to force close the isle

unfortunately EAC isnt playing nice with us and causing that issue

[proper mantle]

eac?

[wooden agate]

easy anti cheat

[proper mantle]

ill try that next time thanks. its been super frustrating. just crashed in the middle of delta and it took my like10 minutes just to get back in the game because i had to try to close out the isle then restart my pc

[proper mantle]

what is your point here?

[wooden agate]

no worries. i cant confirm from my own experience if it works but ive seen a few people mentioning it as a potential fix so

[frosty ridge]

what point ?

[wooden agate]

this picture means as much to me as that picture

[frosty ridge]

i cant play the game for some god know why so i bord

[wooden agate]

this is based off a hypothetical of what could be potentially the largest that rex could possibly become

[frosty ridge]

yes a prime

[clever urchin]

Honestly I think it would be sweet if prime dinos were slightly larger than full adults instead of just having their models slightly altered

[icy lion]

They are

[clever urchin]

I honestly haven't noticed lol

My bad

[frosty ridge]

they are biger like so much biger

[clever urchin]

Tbh I've only played Cerato, possibly why I haven't noticed...

Well, at least since the Elder system has been added

[frosty ridge]

rex vs rex as 11t you can tell the the othere rex are 12 T or same size

[wooden agate]

some prime elders are shockingly large compared to normal adults, model size wise

i like how fat deino gets

[clever urchin]

However back on topic, as theoretical as the info above is... I think that size difference is huge, and I'd be terrified to see a rex that size rush to eat my butt

[clever urchin]

I think Cera gets the same treatment, as far as I could notice it just gets chonkier

Haven't reached prime with Allo yet

[wintry cipher]

https://youtu.be/g8d6IeNJSyw

This video has a lot of primes and normal size dinos next to each other. Should give you a better idea of how drastic the change can be.

carno, deino, dilo, omni, rex, diablo, dryo, pachy, stego, trike are some of the most noticeable ones

[crystal escarp]

I genuinely enjoy your game and want to see it succeed, but the current state after the last major update is seriously hurting the experience. Several issues occur so frequently that they disrupt gameplay and make the game frustrating to play rather than enjoyable.

Problems like unstable server connections, environmental elements that block movement in an unrealistic way, and prolonged weather effects that severely limit visibility and sound have a major negative impact on immersion. In addition, recurring gameplay-breaking issues force players to relog, which further interrupts the experience.

These are not minor inconveniences — they significantly affect playability. I hope addressing these problems will be treated as a priority, because the core of the game is great and deserves much better stability and polish.

shud be in feedback but i cant wait next 5 hours to posted it again soo pleas lets have discusion about this problem, or am i the only one feeling it this way?

[wind mesa]

pssst if it's feedback for the devs put this in #general-feedback , this channel is for discussing already posted feedback and they might not see it here

[crystal escarp]

i posted it and they deleted it ... cuz it was not feedback enought i whant to have some discussion on this if i am alone or not ...
i am really frusted, love this game, my wife even buy it and we play it together(her first game ever) but after this major update i feel far less funn and far more frustration

[full pewter]

@brazen galleon What are your graphics settings? The game runs fine for me. Do you have lumen on?

[brazen galleon]

Yeah I got that on. But I did almost everything to fix it already. I deleted config folder, reinstalled the game, put most settings to medium,and cleared space

I'm unsure if it's the settings or game itself

[full pewter]

Well that explains a lot, turn lumen off, having it on kills your fps

[full pewter]

Did you try the game with lumen off? Does it have better fps?

[brazen galleon]

It drops to 2

[brazen galleon]

Nope will try tho

[full pewter]

Let me know if it works👍

[icy lion]

Also check if Foliage Physics is on

That's another FPS cruncher

[brazen galleon]

It wasn't

[full pewter]

True there too

[brazen galleon]

By default it isn't

It's so crazy before it was running so smoothly

[brazen frost]

why does queue just not work lol
like i connect to queue then it just says "your connection to the host has been lost" great game

[full pewter]

The queue was removed for some reason:/

[brazen frost]

bruh

[full pewter]

I just refresh the same server repeatedly until a slot goes down, then snipe it

A queue was better tho still

[brazen frost]

thats what i've been trying to do but it keeps like kicking me out or something with that same message

[full pewter]

Maybe try a different server? Unless you have a Dino on it

[limber hull]

For a good reason lol

They should remove it again

[full pewter]

Elaborate?

[limber hull]

It’s literally so much easier to join servers without the queue every time it’s been gone

I much prefer a lack of queue

[full pewter]

It’s faster I’ll admit

[limber hull]

Faster and more consistent

[brazen frost]

is there a way to mute that keyboard clacking noise in the dino select screen oml

[lofty fable]

I assume were stuck with the new UI for some time?

[full pewter]

Yea

[floral nymph]

Why does this come everytime i try to enter a server?

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message Why people hate fog so much? Are people hate everything restricting visibility in game which heavily emphasizes on sound and smells? Ridiculous

[whole laurel]

Anyone figured out why people are having fatal crashes and losing their Dinos?

[limpid escarp]

i'm playing the US1 prime80%rex
but
Hack Rex killed me
Can you give it back to me?
plsz
I'm desperate
my think the hacker sppeed and ESP
plz
help me...

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-na to see how to report hackers

[limpid escarp]

thx!

?

where?

[icy lion]

Click the thumbtack icon in the top right of #evrima-na

[fossil violet]

i am, but everytime i spam G my dino just attempts to grab the entire body instead of actual organs

like it should be reworked to where the organs fall a little away from the body itself when u pick at it

[neat hemlock]

so now carno does not have automatic headbut while charging?

[neat hemlock]

it could be the pray is too big, you need to grab it, hold LMB and wiggle from left to right

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah. Now player have to do it manually

[pliant elm]

No. But now Carno can use stationary charge to perform a heabutt, without needing to run

This also causes Knockdown and Stun, like running Charge

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message
Best of luck to you in PoT👍🏼

#general-feedback message
stego is around 29 while allo is around 35

[brazen galleon]

Hi, i turned off lumen and the fps went up. But im still having lag spikes, and when i join a server it takes time to load so i can see my dino and surroundings

Occasionally fps still drop to 2 before it quickly goes up but its not running smooth enough

[drifting rose]

@torpid thorn ngl i think its ggs man

[full pewter]

What’s your specs

[junior nymph]

have you turned off physics foliage

[modern patio]

Ive had anti-cheat not installed error for 1 week now :/

[torpid thorn]

i can hope xD but yeah sadly i think so too, worth a try tho

[rancid quail]

Please refine the Allosaurus and make it stronger🙏🏻

[icy lion]

@earnest goblet Press Enter to hover over them

[vernal jacinth]

#balance-feedback

[icy lion]

@lost basalt Unfortunately it's just not possible. UE5 requires it

[hardy vine]

@earnest goblet WYM?

[brazen galleon]

its doing better, for now

[full pewter]

In summary, tone down your graphics settings if you want the game to run better.
Kouga also has several videos on this topic that I’m sure will help

[brazen galleon]

Yep I have

Think they updated ir or something because its better now

[earnest goblet]

but what about the health indicator

the bar is always the same color

[wooden agate]

blood screens

[crimson coyote]

In my opinion, the island should have a desert or other dry area. As you can see, the east-west part of the island is wetter than the northwest. If there are already highlands there (which, by the way, are similar to savannas), why couldn't there be an even drier place on the drier (logically) side of the island? Such a desert could be the perfect habitat for creatures like the kentro, carno, dryo (if it could dig burrows), maia, and pachy or ptera/quetzal.

what do you guys think about this?

[heavy helm]

hello why i cant find any servers?

[icy lion]

What beta branch are you on?

[tropic nymph]

Am i screwing something up? I have gone to 4 migration zones, 4 PZ, hit perfect diet, visited sanc as a juvi, never got infertile, never got spasm so why am i not prime? I even hit a quick 2 second sleep in each zone and stick around for at least 10-15 seconds so the game registers im there i mean wtf? I did this literally on my last omni and hit prime. I entomb and repeat almost the exact same and i get fragile?????

[modern patio]

why do i keep getting "anticheat not installed error" ?

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message why do you want this? i'm actually confused

[candid plinth]

Im on evrima, having the same problem

Cant load any servers (official and unofficial) and once i do happen to load it after 30 min and 4 game resets it gives me a client error, disconnects me before I even load in, or says the server is full when it is clearly not, I have now been loading servers for almost an hour

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

I don't know if a full on dusty desert is in order, but the idea of a lowland dry environment isn't terrible.

The only problem is water. Right now, the need for water is frequent enough for some playables to actively avoid areas without sources. Desert should naturally have little water.

You could centralize a few species around the idea that they need considerably less water, that they naturally live in arid areas, but our Deino overlords will surely remind us that this sort of thinking is universally sinful and deserving of shame.

[teal adder]

Make Deino playable again... starved to death because not a single fish spawned. thought this would have been fixed by now 💀

[hardy vine]

@wind nymph yea they do take down stuff idk why they do it to people a lot

[limber hull]

They literally tell people why they take down stuff lmao

[limpid dock]

My very real and genuine suggestion to make dryo 7 tons was deleted without them telling me. Literally 1984

[limpid dock]

What's your reasoning for down voting removing speed modification for all elders?

[leaden ibex]

@deep shuttle im confused, switching to a point system would avoid checklisting/metagaming because it would give players prime for doing things that they should be doing anyways eg. moving around a lot, getting good diets etc

the whole reason the current system encourages metagaming is because it rewards actions that arent part of "good gameplay" ie, going to empty zones, bum rushing sancs on repeat

[deep shuttle]

that is what the current system already does. it does it with 'mission completions', not points.

[limber hull]

I actually like cerato and allo being slower as prime elder and want to see that on more creatures

Also, I think frail being slower is also fine

I think prime animals in general should have faster trots, slower sprints

[limpid dock]

Im not opposed to decreasing speed as prime, but making frail elders slow is silly. It's like making you a juvenile again but with actual time invested. The speed debuff combined with the damage and size debuff is a lot for frail elders

[leaden ibex]

it doesnt though, the main prime requirements are not things players should be doing anyways. Ie going to empty zones

it doesnt reward/accommodate any other type of gameplay

[limpid dock]

And making some prime elders stronger, healthier, and faster just makes them into unstoppable killing machines. And that's really awful for balance

[leaden ibex]

a point system could, if you want to just travel across the whole map you could maybe get most of your prime points from distance traveled

[icy lion]

Which already fulfills current eldering by visiting inactive zones

[leaden ibex]

it doesn't. you have to get lucky and pass through mainly the pzs by chance unless you use vulnona

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

you’re allowed to not like a game. Not everything has to be a whole movement

[delicate crypt]

#general-feedback message

I feel like food is only half the problem. There are still those people who kill just to kill, herbis and carnis alike.
If "mixpackers, ravenous carnivores, bloodthirsty herbivores" are what you want to get rid of, making players less hungry won't stop them from wanting to mixpack or KOS. It just makes them less hungry.

[urban bear]

I disagree with the whole movement part but hes absolutely right

[idle needle]

There will always be aggro people, but right now there are too many incentives to avoid literally everyone and absolutely none to encourage player engagement. Time to kill is too fast, every carnivore is too hungry to pass up even the riskiest meal because if they don't, they may never see another chance to eat before they starve. Carnivores can't find herbivores and mostly eat other carnivores because herbivores can all just stay in the woods forever in whatever the latest heat map dictates is the furthest from the popular areas. Cannibals abound because your best odds are when you outnumber a member of your own species so all other factors being equal, numbers guarantees a win.

Lower hunger drain so carnivores can afford to pass up risky encounters or try them and have enough time to heal if things get hairy. As it stands now, most fights I'd be starving before I finished healing. Restrict herbivore diet foods so that they only spawn in the open and the only way to get perfect diet is to visit the region your species is associated with, and people WILL visit those regions. Lower their hunger drain so that they aren't tied to those places so tightly that they can't explore and visit other regions of the map. This way, people have different places around the map where they'll be likely to encounter people of specific species. This alone would fix player distribution - you can't force everyone to do it, but the vast majority will.

Herbivores won't be so bored because they'll come under less fatal attacks from more carnivores more often - having excitement without as much fatality. Carnivores will have enough downtime to actually nest before they starve, and be able to find herbivores to hunt more regularly.

time to kill is still too high, prime is still too powerful, there are still bugs need fixing, but I can't see this idea as anything but a majority improvement across the board.

So no, it's not the ENTIRE problem - but I think it's the biggest. With encounters being so deadly so often, food such a major issue, it's also why nobody's calling. It's too unsafe to give away your position either as predator or prey. Lower the risk of instant death and people will make some noise again.

[delicate crypt]

I agree with most of this, I just thought that if your goal with the changes that you proposed was to successfully decrease the mixpack, aggro herbi, and ravenous carnivore population, then your changes probably wouldn't have the intended effect. Their motive is not hunger. But I ABSOLUTELY agree that we need more player engagement, of course!

[limber hull]

I also think time to kill is generally fine, I don’t believe it’s too fast at all. The only issue I have with hunger drain is Rex starving slower than deino, which I think is a travesty lmao

If anything, the issue is still patrol and migration zones just not being that typically engaging, and patrols just effectively being better migrations

I think reducing hunger will just result in more big creatures making easier to sustain mega mix packs and engaging in the joys of mindless slaughter

Because the people doing this stuff are the kinds of people who only play for the adrenaline rush of winning

[idle needle]

Now THAT is an interesting point. I think there's a chance that it wouldn't fix much about aggression levels, I'll give you that. There's a culture of it now, and people will dedicate themselves to a culture of something. I think that there will always be mixpackers, always be kos-ers who just want pvp forever. But they're SO prevalent right now and I firmly believe that a big part of that is how risk-averse the average player has to become right now in order to survive. I think there's a cycle of people avoiding fights and then dying in their first real fight because they've had no practice. Meanwhile mixpackers and kosers have the security to have that practice, and so come out on top more and more and more. I strongly believe the ideas I put forth will let normal players have more practice fighting with lower risk, I think we'd see randoms band together against mixpacks and wipe them out like we used to see on legacy, I think if we can make it more advantageous to not mixpack and less advantageous to mixpack, that a lot of small factors will yield a reduction in their frequency.

[idle needle]

You bring up some REALLY good points

Patrol zones right now are a HUGE problem in how they function, being as you said better migration zones. They're less risky, the food in them is always diet food, and they're all over the place. I think changing their placement away from dense forests and more into big open spaces as well as removing the diet-negating effects on them would make a huge change to player distribution and behavior.

I've made posts about that before, as well.

Also yes, deinosuchus gets too hungry too fast. For a sit and wait predator, it doesn't get to sit and wait too well. There are too few regularly active zones, forcing too many into proximity, and they don't have time to sit and wait properly at less frequented ones or they'll starve. A big deino should only need to fill its stomach from empty once in a blue moon - I'm talking almost an ingame week or maybe more between big feeds. I think rex should be on a similar timeline, but I think it should need to eat more often that deino, not less - it's a far more active animal as it stands.

I think there's a balance to be struck between herbie food distribution and hunger drain. It will need tweaking and adjusting for sure, even after the initial changes are made! People who are full too long get aggro and start looking for some manner of excitement - but I still believe that these are the dials the devs should be turning if they want to affect player interaction and distribution.

Also I think you're right - a lot of times time to kill isn't too fast, what I should have said is that there are instances where it is. Just trying to highlight that the game still has other problems, I just think that this one will yield the biggest changes the fastest with the least effort.

[mortal parrot]

@proper mantle They can

Well not Ptera

All other small tiers can

[proper mantle]

thats what ive been told but every time i hit 100% on troodon i go infertile

[proper mantle]

why do you think i put ptera on my post lmao this added nothing

[deep shuttle]

your suggestion was this:

eldering should be a points based system in which doing actions such as moving, visiting zones, getting diet etc.

'moving' = this is even more vague than visiting pz/mz. How would you measure this? kms traveled? actual distance covered? people could just walk in circles. worse than 'visiting empty zones'.

'visiting zones' = already happening, litterally. The problem with the current system is that allegedly even non-active zones count towards this, and you have to use 3rd party map sites to know where those are. Relying on the ingame 'active zone' display to hit 4x pz and 2x mz would likely prevent many species from meeting this requirement, because they do not change often enough.

'getting diets' = already happening. two of the current missions are "get all 3 diets at least once" and "always keep at least one diet above 0%". For many dinos, getting all three diets is a significant undertaking. Maintaining one is not as bad, but it's a constant upkeep until 75%. I suppose your system would reward users for every diet they eat? That encourages people to 'stay close to as many diets as possible'. I think that would increase hotspot symptoms.

[leaden ibex]

I listed those as not well thought out random examples to say that many of the parameters that theyve chosen currently are inadequate and in some cases impossible (Deino north lake spawn sanc), But the difference maker here is that instead of strict requirements they would cumulatively add to a prime threshold.

Moving would likely just be kms traveled with some sort of safeguard to prevent people walking in circles.

Visiting zones should just be uncapped in which case visiting multiple MZ while moving around the map is actually pretty likely, whereas pzs are harder to stumble upon which is a suggestion i actually seriously think should be added

getting diets could be actual % diet total gained but this is probably the weakest one. The main issue with the system now is that its not malleable enough to account for every dino as its literally a checklist

They could add any parameters and any threshold and i think it would be a better system than a prime checklist

because instead of forcing sometimes arbitrary requirements it could be parameters that are achieved through what the devs consider "good gameplay"

[fiery sun]

Kind of late here, but the proper implementation of humans could actually go a long way here.

Imagine a credit system for the humans. You start with little to nothing and there is a hub/black-market (akin to a sanctuary) exclusively for the humans used to stage contracts and buy weapons and supplies.

The humans should act as a managerial element to the ecosystem with contracts rewarding credits based on the state of the server.

Massive mix-pack killing things needlessly on the server? Put a high credit bounty on their heads and let the humans hunt them down.

Too many dinos of the same species overcrowding the server? (cough, rex, cough) Open season, with credits being rewarded for each kill until their numbers are thinned.

Credits should also be deducted from a human's account when needlessly killing a dinosaur, even in self-defense. That's against company interest after all.

[limber hull]

Humans are being worked on a lot this update as we see in the most recent patch, there's actually a leaked WIP human with an inventory and other stuff (super WIP and janky tho so nothing much to write home about)

Basically, humans are getting a whole recode, albeit, I don't think they will be either buying items nor treated as mercenary, but who am I to say for sure

[fiery sun]

Of course they won't. I guarantee they'll just be murder machines like everything else. They'll probably even wind up in-fighting out of boredom.

[limber hull]

I think the goal is supposed to be a horror game, not having constant access to weaponry

[fiery sun]

I never said the mercenary work should be easy or relaxing.

[tired quest]

I don’t see humans really suffering from death or losing progress, unless their equipment is lost with them
otherwise they can just run around and keep trolling

[limber hull]

yea but the thing is i don't think it's GOING to be mercenary work

they scrapped the whole "mercenary" thing ages ago

[tired quest]

also I dont think human will be fun playing as solo
but if most of the ppl are playing humans , I dont think apex predator will have a fun time due to lack of potential prey

[fiery sun]

Exactly this, which is why gear would need to be expensive, human cooperation encouraged, and most importantly: the systems in place need to feed into one another.

[limber hull]

the main thing about humans will be survival, not doing tasks or jobs, same as everyone else

they ain't being designed as hitmen

weapon distribution will be done as random rare spawns, not stuff you can purchase

[fiery sun]

This is how you exclusively wind up with humans shooting each other and anything else that moves on the island.

[limber hull]

okay im not entirely sure how that's true tho

with limited weapons and ammo that you can't just buy, i'd say the opposite is true

you waste a bullet, now everything can hear, smell and see you

you don't get to spend 500 smackeroos on a whole extra 30 shells for your shotgun

you gotta go out into the wilderness and find that stuff

and the wilderness is where you die

[fiery sun]

How so, lmao? I see you running for an airdrop I want, I shoot you in the back, control every drop on the server, and use them to cause havoc on the server.

[limber hull]

i mean... again, i dont think there will be airdrops

i think you're looking at gen 2 like they're military-style mercenaries

that is not the plan

[fiery sun]

replace airdrop with spawn locations, my point stands

[limber hull]

i mean, they also want human v human combat to be a thing

[tired quest]

unless humans provide decent amount of diet
I dont think mid to apex carnivore player will like to see them in game cause they are taking the slot

[latent olive]

man this other guy really wants to shoot me and take my stuff

whatever, go my mega mix pack

[fiery sun]

Mercenary work can be cutthroat, especially with mutated human cannibals thrown into the mix

[limber hull]

i mean

people are gonna like killing humans because cool JP scene

[limber hull]

okay but again, it isn't mercenary work

[latent olive]

where are you getting the mercenary stuff from

[limber hull]

you keep saying it's mercenary work but like, they scrapped the mercenary thing like years ago

[tired quest]

so we either got like a lot of human players at the same time or none

[fiery sun]

It isn't anything, like it hasn't been for 10 years

[tired quest]

so basiclly if im a rex or a deino and I see groups of humans runnning around
I know its better for me to log out cause there isn't enough biomass to support my gameplay today

[fiery sun]

What are you even arguing in favor of? Stale, isolated systems where players are just allowed to mindlessly do whatever they want?

[limber hull]

what? im just saying it isn't merc anymore

[fiery sun]

That's already a problem between the flyers, deino, tree-climbers, troodons, bepis, etc.

The only solution there is to fix the servers to allow for more players.

[tired quest]

or reasonable amount of ai nicely spread across the map

[fiery sun]

To each their own, but surviving off AI is terribly lame. Might as well be playing herbivore.

[tired quest]

I lost count of how many times I find myself as a deino spawned in northeast lake or east swamp
I will sank my deino to the bottom of the lake ,pick up the dogleash and take my dog for a 20mins walk

imagine you just entomb a prime elder deino and find yourself spawn in that 2 area

you know there is problem with thier ai if deino couldn't even find any food when they are around 50-500kg

how is bary or spino gonna eat when they are in the game, boars and deers all the way to size when they can hunt?

[fiery sun]

All I can say, in my opinion, is that at least implementing mercs to maintain the ecosystem would at least address the bitter sentiment around mix-pack griefing without "deleting" the playstyle outright through debuffs or whatever else.

[limber hull]

i feel like honestly having them act like mercs would only increase the problem

mixpacking gun boy taking potshots at anyone the clan deems unworthy

i'd honestly focus on them on gadgets, repairing bases and typically not blasting a dino's skull out

[latent olive]

can you imagine a grappling hook

[limber hull]

weapons should be risky and overall expensive to maintain and use

[limber hull]

i mean... it's not out of the question to add one

grappling hooks are real things people use to get up on things

[fiery sun]

I've literally listed reasons/possibilities as to how/why that could be made to NOT be the case through different incentives and setbacks.

Your argument feels really bad faith, because so far all you've said is "weapons should just spawn" as if the 1st thing a player wouldn't do is test it on the nearest juvi.

[limber hull]

im quite literally echoing all the things we've heard about the gen 2

literally i have no idea what to say beyond this is how it's said it is going to be

[fiery sun]

I feel like honestly having them act like mercs would only increase the problem...

This is literally an opinionated statement.

[limber hull]

yes, and i still believe that, but the devs also have removed a lot of the "merc" stuff because having them act like mercs is a design nightmare and gives players the wrong idea

you aren't here to gun down misbehaving prehistoric creatures or earn a paycheck, you're trying your best to not die, same as everyone else

[fiery sun]

~~Why does that have to be mutually exclusive exactly? I just don't get it. This community picks some weird hills man...

I'm not proposing to make humans the strongest thing on the Isle, but it's clear everyone wants them to have guns, right? Better to channel that into something than turn the island into a shooting range.

You clearly want the survival horror aspect. Fair. I agree even. It would be lame otherwise. But again these aren't mutually exclusive.

There can still be weapons/supplies on the island to scavenge, contracts that are obviously a death-wish, and terror.~~

screw it, it's like talking to a brick wall.

[limber hull]

i feel like once you have the firepower to be gunning down mixpacking/overpopulated apexes, the game is about as scary as Primal Carnage

which is not very scary

given how you said you wanted them to be able to moderate apex populations for cash, i genuinely don't know what possibly threatens them

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

the humble tutorial button in the ESC menu staring us in the face:

[fiery sun]

ur right bro, that's def not hyperbole and reductive.

Mix-packing forever and always, my beloved. 👑

[wooden agate]

nothing wavepoole has said has any indication he likes mixpacking

[vagrant phoenix]

#general-feedback message this should become a real mechanic, I can visualise some really cool escape mechanics from getting pinned

[fiery sun]

Not what I was trying to imply, but pop off.

[wooden agate]

i dont know what else you could possibly be trying to imply considering the main gimmick behind your suggestion is "anti mixpack hunting humans" seemingly lol

[limber hull]

i genuinely dont know what you want me to say at this point, i was hoping you'd explain how you see the coexistence of "culling megapacks/mixpacks/overpopulations" and "being terrified of solo creatures" working

[fiery sun]

Sounds like a you problem ngl

[fiery sun]

The game is a progressive, life cycle centered survival horror game? We can agree on at least this, right?

I.E. don't die, survive, and progressively grow in power.

[limber hull]

yea that seems about right

i would say the endgoal is just "don't die" lol

unless it's entombing but thats semantics

[uncut zephyr]

You wouldn’t know though given it refuses to let you play it

[wooden agate]

if the 70 players on PC:E could read they'd be very upset at that

[uncut zephyr]

But also humans shouldn’t be able to kill dinosaurs reliably at all especially not larger ones

[fiery sun]

I mean, you could say the same about omnis, until you run into six of them.

[uncut zephyr]

So what stops humans from megapacking and just killing everything

[limber hull]

or mixpacking with a single powerful rifle

[fiery sun]

Now imagine a squad of humans who's been painstakingly progressing through different loot tiers, scarping together a kit on the island (essentially their juvi stage)

Maybe you could have missions to steal eggs from a nest or collect genetic samples to study mutations.

Either way, finally they feel ready to take on a contract for a mix-pack terrorizing delta. (this is essentially the human's fully grown stage) they set out in a humvee, post up, and lay an ambush.

Hell, let's say it's somewhat successful, let's say the mix pack loses some members but the remaing one's take out a few humans before fleeing into the jungle.

Overconfident, the humans pursue, knowing the surviving mix-pack members are wounded. Ammo's running low, but they have enough to finish them off.

As they walk further into the brush they hear a omin call...

[urban flax]

I don't think humans should be encouraged to kill dinos at any point, apart from self-defense

[fiery sun]

Not only that, but gunshots would be like ringing the dinner bell.

[limber hull]

yes, this, i want this

[fiery sun]

Then idk lol, just don't put guns in the game and make them vegetarian while you're at it

[urban flax]

"Apart from self-defense" lol

The reason you kill dinos is because you donnt want to get eaten
Not because you're some sort of prehistoric lawkeeper on an abandoned island

[fiery sun]

You put guns on the island and I guarantee you absolutely no one is going to share that sentiment

[urban flax]

What

[fiery sun]

Without incentives to avoid damaging the ecosystem and avoid needlessly killing the humans will likely wind up crawling up above sanctuaries and nuking juvies from above with revolvers or whatever, that's what.

[urban flax]

It's a question of what objectives are given, not what the players are capable of

[urban flax]

But your idea is literally to give them an incentive to needlessly kill

[fiery sun]

I think you're missing context.

one sec

[fiery sun]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[urban flax]

I've read that
You're rewarding humans credits for killing dinos
Which is exactly what I'm talking about

[uncut zephyr]

Humans shouldn’t exist to police the server

[fiery sun]

What else do you guys propose humans do? I really don't get it.

[urban flax]

The same as everyone else
Try their best to survive, then die horribly

[uncut zephyr]

For starters, not run around killing a bunch of dinosaurs

[fiery sun]

Sweet baby Jesus, I feel like a crazy person. Please tell me what you think a player with a gun is going to do the moment they see a baby dino meander into the open?

[urban flax]

Probably waste their ammo on it, while attracting other things capable of killing him

And die

[uncut zephyr]

Make guns scarce enough that not everyone will have one
Make ammo scarce enough that you won’t want to waste it

Make the guns you actually can get either unreliable or limited in range so you can’t snipe with them

Naturally they’re also incredibly loud and given that people don’t want to die I doubt they would tell everyone their location

[fiery sun]

Right, so a backdrop playable like hypsie with a nerf-gun. Got it.

[uncut zephyr]

Your alternative is making them a managerial system that punishes people for playing a dinosaur that has a high population by sending people to kill them

[urban flax]

What do you want humans to be ? Another apex ?

[fiery sun]

God forbid the endless swarm of rexs and cerato get some push back so that the herbivore players catch a break or that the mix-packs are the ones hunted for once.

[urban flax]

Human players don't have to be the ones in charge of that

[uncut zephyr]

So why make humans into a solution instead of trying to find out why these things are bad in the first place

[urban flax]

You're turning an entire playable faction into bootleg server admins

[uncut zephyr]

Especially if the humans will end up causing problems of their own

Granted you had a demerit system in your statement but what stops them from just getting what they need and going on a rampage
Why do they care if they lose credits if they’ve gotten everything already

[limber hull]

imma be real man, humans are quite literally in the same weightclass as a hypsi, they're smaller than beipis in weight

[fiery sun]

So far the only alternative I've heard from any of you is either:

A) Nerf them so hard they're never touched and basically a joke.

or

B) Give them the guns and profit ???

[fiery sun]

Bounty on their head too

[fiery sun]

Realistically, humans would wipe out the entire island, let's be so for real right now.

[latent olive]

hilarious thing to see today

i didnt even think of that

[latent olive]

if it was a modern day military yeah no duh

but when youre dropped into a jungle with nothing but clothes and your own fists

good luck wiping out the island

hyper rex vs the atom splitter

[limber hull]

realistically, why would they have that weaponry if they're quite literally randomly born into existence on a long since desolate island

[fiery sun]

idk the lore, but they'd literally just napalm the island or something

[uncut zephyr]

Phenomenal

[urban flax]

There's a thing called balance, and believe it or not, it's not always done in black and white

[limber hull]

they literally would not

a private corporation getting their billions of dollars of funding napalmed?

again, what motivation would humans even have to napalm the island

[latent olive]

recreating the fall of the dinosaurs with the crocodiles surviving ANOTHER mass extinction

[uncut zephyr]

Megalania survives because he sadly isn’t real yet

[limber hull]

like its genuinely just dinosaurs stranded on an island, it's such a non-issue why would you napalm them just leave 'em be

[fiery sun]

I give up. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to feel for the devs. Christ.

[latent olive]

when asked if humans will have any further gameplay, all dondi replied with is "they have to survive, on an island, full of dinosaurs, thats it"

the gameplay loop will more than likely involve repairing bases, maybe

but for the majority of it, its just

spawn -> loot locations -> try to survive as long as possible

[fiery sun]

I wasn't talking about what will happen, but what would be ideal.

[latent olive]

whatever. go, my lizard

https://imgur.com/RbxJ2ew

[uncut zephyr]

Cool lizard

[latent olive]

i think they call it mongolia

[uncut zephyr]

Woah

[fiery sun]

Dinosaur forevah! Dinosaur neber lose!!1!1 WAAGH!!

[vale pawn]

Ngl i am really excited for humans if theyre gameplay experience is equivalent to little boyscouts finding themselves in the literal monsterverse

[limber hull]

valid

[urban flax]

I hope humans will have decent options for melee combat

[wooden agate]

stranger things hut with dinosaurs

[golden horizon]

This won't affect it much, except make hunting more or less useless a AI would sustain any carnivore without the need to hunt players.
Sanc mushrooms are fine, they should just change the value herbivores need for perfect diet instead of it being at least all three no matter the value of each one.
restricting food spawns forces players to coexist more which would cause MORE fights.
And herbis will suffer, they're fine as it is currently.

[junior nymph]

@carmine pivot its because majority of the community wanted the update to release before the end of the year because of unofficials

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @vale girder is patience not a virtue you hold

because the servers are... still updating. thats why you cant join them

[lunar shell]

Have you guys worked on fixing the issue where jumping Dino’s lag back to the ground? I keep having issues getting onto rocks,trees, it’s causing others to have an advantage on us.

[golden horizon]

Did you have a crash doing your 2nd life ?
#general-feedback message

Herbivores have been dominating for far too long, and its now the carnivores turn to shine.
#general-feedback message

[urban flax]

Wrong game

[golden horizon]

Trike has been out for 8 months, while it had no competition, and stego has been out for even longer without having anything to fear

Now that rex is finally out, the herbis cant handle it

[fiery gorge]

Omni neutral pounce ticks every five secs and the bleed dmaage pounces used to tick every one sec…so maybe they messed it up and gave the regular pounce the neutral tick.

[golden horizon]

Trike can literally 2 shot a FG rex, and it has 80% dmg resistance in its head, but if you let the rex come behind you, then its a skill issue
#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

tell me you have no idea how the trike and rex matchup actually is without telling me

"just don't let it go behind" with your godawful agility and rex being able to murdersprint to literally move faster than you can turn

lmao

and if the rex is letting you land 2 full thrashes, THAT is an actual skill issue

also 2 full thrashes won't even kill a rex either

[golden horizon]

You press CTRL and you sprint left and right, its not that hard

[limber hull]

again, you don't need to drill it in that you don't understand the matchup lmao

[golden horizon]

It will, i've killed many rexes that way on deathmatch servers

[limber hull]

i got that from the first message

[golden horizon]

If you go into sparing, you face to the side hold LMB and flip him on his side, then u have good time to use thrash attack

[latent olive]

I can’t remember the exact statistic and it was on a community server, but roughly 70% of a server consists entirely of carnivores, compared to like 20% herbivore and 10% omnivore or something like that, this was a little bit ago

herbivores never reigned

[golden horizon]

Ofcourse, everybody wants to play the new playables (allo and rex)

[latent olive]

this was before Rex and allo

[golden horizon]

It was the same when trike got released

Was it on petits ?

[latent olive]

I’m pretty sure, yeah

a good few months ago now

[golden horizon]

But I also think it has something to do with carnivores are just more fun to play as, my favorite playable is the omniraptor cause of its speed, agility and I find it enjoyable when packhunting with friends. Meanwhile most herbivores are big, slow and clunky and often have to rely on their stats rather than agility and speed

Fully grown cera is 1,9t while FG allo is 3,7t and since allo can only pin stuff up to 50% of its weight, it can't pin FG ceras
#general-feedback message

[craggy charm]

@wise lagoon The fewer colors are in preparation for palettes, we’ll be getting variety eventually but in the form of multiple palettes so people dont make ugly combos. No idea when that’ll be tho

[wise lagoon]

Oh, I see

[narrow cypress]

@normal jasper so for you it is fair that a 5t Rex oneshot all the mid tiers ? Or that doesnt care?

[normal jasper]

yes its fair its not like he unbeatable a group of dibbles or allos will still kill you and the rex is slower than all mid tiers at that stage

making rex pin only to 50% is a bad change

for example prime maia can tank crush and run away

rex crush doesnt have enough fracture to fracture a maia in one crush unless he pins it

[narrow cypress]

Cmon men be serius , 2 rexes 60% can easily kill 3 allos , man you heard what you are saying ? rex turns so so well and is very hard to the rest to be able to do nothing xd

[narrow cypress]

yep what does will do is that rex only fight his niche , that are the apexs

[normal jasper]

you arent supposed to fight 2 60% rexes as 3 allos the rexes by then have grown for more than you. it shouldnt be an easy fight

[narrow cypress]

it is not a easy fight is a dead sentence for allo

[normal jasper]

his niche is ambushing stuff???

[narrow cypress]

that rexes oneshot 2/3 of the rooster

[normal jasper]

if the rex ambushes a maia the maia should absolutely die especially if its an adult rex lol what

[normal jasper]

while also being slower than all of them. I dont see an issue

[narrow cypress]

the issue is that is not fair for the rest of the playables that a dino oneshot you , I mean a maia is not a dino from the rex niche , and i remember you that rex can body fracture , I mean a rex is a apex when is adult not when it is subadult

[normal jasper]

yeah when hes sub adult hes not an apex, I dont see ur point. sub adult is much weaker. this is a survival hardcore game and if you dont want to die then I suggest you get better and start being more aware of your surroundings or just switch over to POT which will fit your style more. If you expect to get ambushed by a rex, which is slower than 90% of the roster, and not die, yeah this isnt the game for you

[narrow cypress]

weaker? Are you serious? I mean he can hunted more when is sub than when is apex , You are saying to swith pot because a dino is overpowered and imposible to be killed for the rest of the rooster???

[tired quest]

or all switch to pteranodon and watch rex player being punished for playing their favorite dino due to lack of food

[normal jasper]

yeah you just explained to yourself why he is weaker lol. rex is not over powered at all, hes a well balanced dino. trike needs a buff though because trike rn is weaker than rex which should be the opposite he should be stronger than rex. thats the only issue I see with rex having

[narrow cypress]

i mean the apex fight between the rex , stego and trike is lovely to see , but i dont understand why a sub adult need to be able to oneshot all dinos from rooster

[tired quest]

at this point some of the mid tier playables are just cannon fodder

[narrow cypress]

true

[normal jasper]

yeah dibble has it hard

solo dibble isnt playable anymore cuz of allo

[narrow cypress]

the problem is vs Mid tier not from apex, i mean rex needs a buff vs apexs , and a nerfed vs mid tiers

[tired quest]

Why spend time playing a mid-tier and grow old, when you can invest a bit more growth time to become a larger, playable creature

[narrow cypress]

Sadly it is true xd

[tired quest]

To some extent, the elder system further encourages a more utilitarian, min-max–oriented mindset among players

[narrow cypress]

the elder system is brilliant for apex , but not so good for mid and low tiers

[normal jasper]

its not a problem against mid tiers. a 5 ton rex can still die to one prime dibble or prime allo and he will fold over and die if theres 2 of them. dont forget the rex has been growing for 6+ hours if not more hes supposed to defend himself

if you want to complain about sub apex killing mid tiers complain about stego

stego is even more broken vs mid tiers than rex at sub apex stage and grows faster

[narrow cypress]

nop 5t rex oneshot that 2 dinos , if you are a dibble or allo you must run , in the life you will killed

[narrow cypress]

yep stego is broken x2

the pounce of allo for example doesnt work on stego , always you will die

[normal jasper]

he doesnt. he cant even pin a dibble from the front the dibbles will keep facing him and kill him. 2 allos will pin the rex to death or bleed him out. and even if the rex pins you, you wont instantly die if hes 5 tons. a 5 ton rex will pin a prime dibble/allo for 3 seconds then let go. and he doesnt have enough fracture damage to fracturew them after the pin at that stage. he needs at least 2 pins to fracture a prime dibble/allo at 5 tons minimum. already been tested.

[narrow cypress]

Nop i prove xd , with allo 3.7 a 5 can pin you in only oneshot

[tired quest]

saw a video discussing why ppl have started reducing their calls in game
aside from attracting predators, I think the widespread use of the cannibal mutation has once again undermined the already fragile trust within the player community.
players now tend to completely avoid members of their own species, or only group up through Discord to hunt down unsuspecting solo players of the same species

[narrow cypress]

RIght now some species only survives been canni sadly , for example with allo I have killed more than 30 allos to survive it is sad but it is the true

[normal jasper]

let me test it and send proof loil one second

because im sorry but you dont know what ur talking about. give me 5 mins and ill send the video

[tired quest]

You make the deino community look like a bunch of vegetarians
It’s funny that even during the extreme famine that’s been going on for over eight months now, most of the crocs I’ve run into still prefer to cooperate rather than kill each other. I think it’s some kind of brotherhood forged in desperation

[narrow cypress]

yep it is true they knocked down 3 secs , and later they comeback arribe but in most of the case with body fracture

[normal jasper]

not if you have reduce fracture mutation. again I dont see an issue with rex other than him being stronger than trike but we can disagree it doesnt matter. what matters is that dondi said he likes where rex is at right now so thats good at least he knows rex is in a good spot

[narrow cypress]

right now allos , rexes only survive being canni , because herbs are so strong and they cant win so .....

[gentle lichen]

you are joking right

[foggy field]

you cant*

personal bias does not speak for all of us

rex is literaly the strongest dino in the game rn

[normal jasper]

yeah it should be trike

trike needs a buff i hope he gets it soon. stegos can beat rex too\

[narrow cypress]

Cmon , 4 trikes can easily kill 2 rexes , 5 stegos can kill 2 rexes , 6 dibbles can kill 3 allos , but i play a lit less rex i was speaking more about allo and in my point of view

[foggy field]

Stego is doing better agaist rex them trike is currently

[foggy field]

Max group size is not taken in to balancing

Survival is

[narrow cypress]

so doesnt care? I mean nerf carno because can kill raptors xd

[foggy field]

And allo and rex are both doing just fine

They can Hunt well

The majority wants rex be more nerfed them buff, and teno and dibble to be buffed

[narrow cypress]

that is not fair levyathan , they can be more in group and they are stronger , what is the point of playing a carnivore like allo when his preys are stronger and they can be more in group , so if group doesnt care 2 rexes 2 trikes , 3 allos 3 dibbles , it is fair no?

[foggy field]

They need to change it so rex cant do fracture damage to a trikes leg/body by hitting its head

[foggy field]

Ho has more in a group a lions or zebras? Did u forgot how real life works?

This game is based on realism you know?

Also is not like you will ALWAYS find them in max group sizes.

There is plenty of times they may be alone

Or there is juvs in there

Allo and rex are 100% not having a hard time hunting anything

This is justa crazy take

Besides that if you want to make a massive allo pack nothing is stopping you just go to no rules servers ☝️

[narrow cypress]

in the real life , zebras run away when they see a predator , and i have to remember you that in real life , lions atack in group 4-5 to atack a single zebra , not like here when the predators cant be more than 2-3 per group , so what it is the point ? Here is the contrary the predators are less and with less % of win

[foggy field]

Cant be? Look at raptorns and omnis lmao

[narrow cypress]

10 Maias , 6 dibbles , 5 stegos , 4 trikes and ..... 2 rexes and 3 allos

[foggy field]

Most of carnivore hunts fail irl

[narrow cypress]

.

[foggy field]

I think you also forgot that

Herbs are not easy to kill bud

What yall really want is to form massive carnivore packs and kos everything

Thank god the majority of the community is not this insane and wants the group sizes fo stay where they are at

[sage plover]

also this isnt a 3 v 3 or 5 v 5 either, u can stalk a herd and wait for one to separate for food or water from the group, then it easily turns into however many u have vs 1

[foggy field]

Yeah

[narrow cypress]

yep thankfully allo and rex only will survive with AI xd

[foggy field]

Also irl is much easier to sustain a much larger group of plant eaters them Meat eaters

[foggy field]

Its our personal issue. I have survied playing even allo solo no problem

[narrow cypress]

and without being cannibalized? lol

all allos i see i killed it xd

[foggy field]

Just not atack a massive herb herd when u find them. Look for small groups or go for lone targets

[wooden agate]

i managed to get an allo to elder without having issues as a solo. i died to 3 raptors, but still!

[foggy field]

Canibal is not needed

[wooden agate]

and its not like i was especially passive, i was out there murderin anything i could get my nasty little teeth onto

[foggy field]

You talk like every single herb walks in a massive herd

What is far from the reality

3 allos is more them enought to survive

[narrow cypress]

that is true , but that works with all , i mean i have seen only carnos and 1-2 allos playing alone , because right now alone is equal to dead from ceras- allos or sub rexes , and in herbs happened the same only survives the guys in packs

[foggy field]

You can survive just fine alone if avoiding popular zones

[narrow cypress]

Hl , west rail , south and delta

Yep you can live in north

[foggy field]

All popular zones

Risky to venture alone

[narrow cypress]

yep very risked and very frustrant I have killed a lot of alones allos but that is the live if you play alone you need a lot of luck to survive

[foggy field]

Witch Its to be expected

Every single animal had a much easier time in a group

[narrow cypress]

yep that is why it is important to be in packs

thanfully for solo player bary will be a good dino

[normal jasper]

It’s not just allo problem

Dibble being played alone is a death wish from allos. Stego and trike from Rexes. And Rex from allo packs/raptor packs/stego packs. solo being hard isn’t just a allo problem

[narrow cypress]

Ye ye that is what i put , playing alone with everydino except carno ? Is dead

[agile solstice]

lots of other people are mentioning ping issues and im so glad im not the only one. i frequently find that after i play for around an hour my fps drops to 0-5 and my ping skyrockets to 550 - can't be a network issue because if i manage to get my dinosaur into a bush (extremely difficult at 0-1fps with rubber banding) and relog, my frames and ping are perfectly fine again when i come back into the server. is this the experience for anyone else? it's making the game unplayable for me

it gets so bad in jungles too. my pc is brand new and the specs can definitely handle evrima, but even lowering settings doesn't help

[wooden agate]

could be a memory leak of some sort, definitely throw it into #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 when you get a chance

[pliant idol]

fatal crash isnt fixed btw

[tacit tusk]

Animal Adjustments:
• Crocodile Hunger: Currently, many crocodiles die from starvation or get eaten by other crocodiles because they are starving. A suggested change is to make crocodiles lose hunger slower when they are not moving. This keeps them as slow, strong creatures while making them more resilient and strategically interesting for players, without increasing their flexibility or movement.
• T-Rex Balance: The T-Rex is too strong, which is evident because almost every player chooses it. The goal is not to make it weak, but to restore some natural weaknesses. One idea is to adjust its weight so that a Prime Crocodile in water could at least have a chance to grab it. This keeps the T-Rex powerful but introduces counterplay options.

⸻

Environment & Biomes:
• Biome Variety: The map is currently mostly jungle. Adding different biomes—like pine forests with large trees, deserts, or open areas similar to “Southplains”—would make exploration and gameplay more interesting.
• Drinking Spots: Drinking spots, especially in high-traffic areas, should be riskier. Players should carefully consider where and when to drink. In busy areas, drinking safely may require moving to a different spot or further away. This also applies to crocodiles, making water sources more dangerous and strategic.

⸻

Bug Reports & Gameplay Issues:
• Invisible Walls: Invisible walls appear in bushes and along some roads. Players often get stuck or float unexpectedly. This needs to be fixed.
• Weather & Fog: Fog and thunderstorms are too frequent and too strong. At night, visibility during storms is nearly zero. They occur roughly every 10 minutes, reducing sunlight and making navigation very difficult.
• Anti-Cheating Measures: One potential solution against cheaters is implementing simple regrows if video proof exists. This could reduce cheating, since cheaters often aim to annoy other players rather than gain real advantages. So far, I’ve noticed this at least with the crocodile: if it starts drinking or eating and the animation is interrupted by moving, it continues the action visually. The drinking or eating animation keeps playing permanently, both underwater and on land. The sound effects also continue, and underwater it keeps playing the eating animation for meat. Please tell me what you guys think about my ideas

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

why have diets at all at that point lol

[charred tide]

@gentle wharf we are getting albertosaurus in the near future (hopefully) and theres only 1 hadrosaur in the game

[wintry cipher]

@halcyon sparrow that exists. Its called Augmented Tapetum (50%) and you unlock it as a carnivore by killing a lot of things at night

[halcyon sparrow]

the night vison thing?

[wintry cipher]

Yes

[halcyon sparrow]

i was unaware thanks

[cosmic swallow]

i found a hole you get stuck in no way out unstuck not working at -33,108.398, 115,118.753, 28,743.591 is this where i should report it ?

[icy lion]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[teal adder]

is deino grab broken again?

[wooden agate]

yes but i'm curious to know how you think it's broken before i spill the beans....

[real galleon]

#general-feedback message yes, yes and yes

[stoic osprey]

They really need to fix the health bar not showing how much damage is taken anymore

[full pewter]

Am I crazy when I say that I think 4hrs for a pachy, and 8-10hrs for a stego is too little time to reach 100% for both these species?

For context, I care more about having the time to enjoy my Dino over growing and regrowing and regrowing, being sent back to juvi over and over. It’s more bearable for apexes but you really feel the time limit with small tiers

[pliant idol]

joining a server after fatal erroring takes 5-10 minutes because everytime you join it disconnects you for losing connection

[narrow cypress]

@limber hull , in your brilliant opinion allo should be a Dino without skill and only depends of pounce right ?

[limber hull]

in my opinion allo doesn't need to be doing as much damage as a diablo lmao

also you haven't really done anything about its pounce being extremely powerful, literally all you did was just make it less likely to pin things

grappling and just generally holding the pounce on something are still easy ass ways to murder something

basically the changes you made make allo incredibly impossible for anything of similar size to ever fight one lmao

[narrow cypress]

true , allos should be knocked from trees and rocks and the pounce should do less damge and focus in bleed , Pounce should be a way to hunt with but not only the unique one , I mean is a dino with extreme potential to be a very popular dino and very entertaiment to play with it but right now it is not

[limber hull]

imagine having the fastest left click in the game combined with basically the same damage as a diablo

like genuinely dibble is already bad enough

it is a very popular dino

i see so many allos so commonly lmao

idk where you get the idea that it isn't a very popular dino

[toxic wren]

I wouldn’t mind buffing allo in some areas if it finally got pounce removed.

But making it able to almost facetank dibble would be wild.

[narrow cypress]

c mon man we know they are playing with it because his realease but sooner rather than later the people will started to bored with a dino that dies 3/4 because pounce is bugged xd, I mean in the future they need to think about dibbles real problem of it, is that is a free buffet of rexes and the solution is giving it a lit more speed but if they have more speed and with muts like tactile endurance they will have a lot more stam than allo , and allo wont scape

so it is hard to balance that

[limber hull]

allo is one of the most popular dinosaurs ever, combined with its ability to hunt effectively anything it wants in packs and its overall decent all-round stat spread, you're likely never gonna see it go away

also it does not need more speed, just nerf the fact that rex has the ability to reach ridiculous speeds in the first place lol

[narrow cypress]

sure? When the people started to be tired to die because a ridiculus bug Idk if allo will stay like a popular dino

[limber hull]

yes, allo is absolutely going to stay popular

[narrow cypress]

rex 12 t running at 40kmh xd

[limber hull]

i can literally bet you that in a year, people will still be playing allo in droves

its allo

[narrow cypress]

i wish man , in a year should be a dino more finished and only with a few bugs

and i wish they find a place for dibbles to be able to survive

and I Wish they improve clawswipe i really love that allo atack

[dusky canyon]

allo was favorite in legacy, prob will be here too, especially now that it has pounce AND bleed .

[pliant elm]

@narrow cypress So, increase Allo's damage to 245 and keep that absurd bite speed? And also make it possible to use the claw attack while standing still, even though that attack deals almost 2k bleed damage?

Doing that won't change Allo condition, it might even make it worse Regarding the balancing issue

I'm almost certain that what you really want is for Allo to be Op, pretty much like rex

[narrow cypress]

It is true if you increase to 245 the bite speed should be decreased a bit , I have changed it

[narrow cypress]

I want a Dino that you can control like cera or Rex not only rmb to win

[narrow cypress]

If they improve the claw atack they should readjust, right now is a atack very hard to hit I understand right now but if they improve the versatility of the atack that should be decreased

[narrow cypress]

The issue is that you depend from a bad mechanic with zero skill to hunt

[narrow cypress]

The big difference is that rex has zero weaknesses in combat and allo has ….. , rex can win the back of a prey but allo can’t do

Rex has multiple combos to win a battle but allo doesn’t have

[pliant elm]

So play with Cera or Rex

It's impossible for Allo to have all the good things possible and be balanced at the same time

You want it to be fast, heavy, deal a lot of damage, have a lot of stamina, inflict a lot of bleed, and have extremely good agility xd

[narrow cypress]

You have described rex xd

[pliant elm]

Rex has a weakness to bleeding. Yes, Rex needs a nerf too, or rather, a nerf in some areas and a buff in others

[pliant elm]

Yes, that's exactly why it needs to be nerfed

[narrow cypress]

True man , his agility and turn are incredible and his 40kmh with 12 t are a joke

[pliant elm]

What I see you mentioning most often as a reason for Allo to be buffed is Rex current state, What you should be asking for is a nerf to Rex

[narrow cypress]

All I want is a Dino that you needs skill to play and I played with allo because since i was child was my fav Dino not because of how is right now in evrima that is a sh1t

[narrow cypress]

True man

Muen i have curiosity one question , what Dino is your main?

Maia ?

The mine was carno with more than 1000 hours but right now is awful to play with a Dino that literally kills everything under 1.8 t

[pliant elm]

Carno and Troodon

[narrow cypress]

Carno ?? Wow

For me the Carno drift is the best thing of the game

I really love that

[supple pine]

#general-feedback message
Two hadrosaurs? We’ve got Maia, but isn’t Tenontosaurus an Iguanadon? I wouldn’t mind a smaller Tyrannosaur in the game one bit, especially something in Diablo’s weight class maybe, but the game feels a bit carnivore heavy at the moment. I haven’t seen a Teno or Maia player in a little too long for my liking, but maybe I just need to play Ptera again and do more flyovers.
What counts as a herbivore hotspot these days, post Horde Test?

[limber hull]

@sonic jolt#general-feedback message
the funny thing is i think they LITERALLY just copy pasted raptors grapple thresholds

so despite having a 50% solo pin threshold, allo's grapple is just death to 95% of the roster lmao

[sonic jolt]

😭😭 they just forgot about the rest or wha

[limber hull]

allo's pin range effectively doubles in a grapple, and in a "weakened prey" grapple, it uh

well it multiplies by 10 if my math is correct, lmao

[supple pine]

#general-feedback message
to be clear, these are FAR from the only invisible walls I’ve found, just the two I’ve recorded. Every one I’ve found is also VERY wide, and according to that Ptera clip, they can be very tall. I hit that wall near the surface first and swam around its width, then flew way up there to see how tall it was. That tall, at least.

Most of them were south of The Pit, in the jungle between The Pit and the coast.

[upper plover]

i cant post this to feedback due to autmod (no idea why):

Make Prime requirements visible/trackable

Please make the Prime requirements open so players can track their progress.

I’ve had multiple cases where I believed I met the requirements (completing 5 or more tasks) but did not receive Prime. In some instances, the game crashed, and it’s unclear whether that affected Prime eligibility or reset progress.

Spending several hours growing a dino, only to later realize you didn’t receive Prime without knowing whether a requirement was missed or if a crash caused the issue creates unnecessary ambiguity. This can leave players stuck in a weaker state with no clear way to recover other than waiting for entombment.

Making Prime requirements transparent would remove uncertainty, improve clarity, and help players understand exactly what is required.

[narrow nova]

#general-feedback message
It not a new thing that 30% your body weight creature(more than two) can pin you When Your stamina or health or bleed lower than 20%.
Just don't over use your stamina.

I don't think it's hard

[wooden agate]

tbf, grapple is still kinda overtuned rn anyway

2 prime omnis can bring down a prime allo without the stam

they just do damage pounce into you with pretty much nothing that you can do and then plop, allo on the floor

i had 80% stam :)

[narrow nova]

That's omni's problem

They do 3800 when damage pounce and 5000 in normal pounce

They can quickly let your health below 20%

Adult Allo pin only do 80 damage per second

In that video 1 adult Allo and 2x500kg Allo even can't do 40% damage to prime Trick.

[narrow nova]

Although I also like the idea that small animals should never pose a threat to large ones, it would be rather boring if that were the case.

I don't know why Kouga brought this up at this time. It's obvious that she is aware of this mechanism. she tested the threshold of the pin before.

Only two problem is Omni pounce cost only 1/5 stamina than before, and buck is useless.

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-spongebob-meme-patrick-meme-dumb-patrick-gif-9974665538168463324

@paper cloak

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Albertosaurus is going to be added and the roster list is locked. Yuty can be modded in later.

[trail thistle]

#general-feedback message this is more of a trike problem if anything, it's head doesn't reduce fracture damage and it some how gets leg fracture from the front. stego does pretty well rn imo. also rex shouldn't be tail ridin in any case, they intentionally made it clear.

[floral frigate]

@small citrus If we're going for a realistic game based on scientific data, Tyrannosaurus rex is indeed an apex predator, but you have to consider that it wasn't contemporaneous with many of the dinosaurs on the Isle. Allosaurus existed 80 million years after T. rex. If they had been contemporaries, the T. rex's unshakeable position would clearly have been challenged.

[icy lion]

@agile kite When did you last delete the config folder?

[agile kite]

I did it multiple times

No difference

[urban flax]

I have no idea what message you're answering to, but first, this game isn't supposed to be realistic, second, allo would get obliterated by rex irl
And I don't mean it in a 1v1/fight situation, if they were put in the same environment allo would be nothing more than prey to rex

Also you switched them around, rex came after allo, not the opposite

[floral frigate]

#balance-feedback message

[floral frigate]

You're right, I got confused

[urban flax]

I see
I kinda agree with you in a way then, in-game rex doesn't deserve a special treatment as some unkillable tank

[icy lion]

Do you have Lumen of Foliage Physics enabled?

[agile kite]

Its disabled 😭

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

bump all the herbivore group sizes to 100, same logic, equally absurd

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Take Multichambered lungs. Packs will always have more stamina to utilize against solos so you need to be cunning to avoid them. Also if the thresholds didnt exist youd never see walking used because stam would just regen while trotting, which would actually exacerbate the problem you have.

[sweet mason]

tbh you shouldn't even be getting near those megamixpacks in the first place, it's not smart to put yourself in such situation to begin with Okin

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Keep in mind our sense of scale is very warped in the game. Most dinosaurs are more than two times the height of a human and unfathomably heavier. A very heavy draft horse is not going to just get up and walk away after falling down from a two story building's height for example. Likewise omni is much heavier than a human.

[sweet mason]

that's not really the point...

as the one being pounced and dies to the fall damage should act as a literal bodypillow in such a scenario

[wintry cipher]

Dinosaurs are not soft and youd be hitting bone. Not fat

Just dont pounce if its on a cliff

[strange wave]

or jump off if you see it gunning for the murder suicide play

[wintry cipher]

^

[sweet mason]

I didn't mention cliffcamping variation

[wintry cipher]

Your situation already outlines a "way too big" cliff which = dead regardless

[sweet mason]

sort of, what I am aiming for is the kind of cliff you'd lose a leg to instead though

might I mention that I was having half a bar of meniscus?

[wintry cipher]

Considering meniscus already exists id say thats enough of a cushion for such situations tbh

[sweet mason]

yeah it should be (it wasn't)

[ripe spire]

can anyone explain why ppl think the current stamina regeneration thresholds are good? Am I missing something? Or are only ppl disliking who actually abuse this system?

[icy lion]

@oak ravine Please do not use the feedback channels for questions, and tell them to delete the config folder

[wintry cipher]

My take on it:

Stamina thresholds make your actions have consequences. If you run around like crazy and go down to 30%, and someone finds you, you might be faster than them in the initial run away chase, but they could run you down because you can't trot back stamina before they catch up.

Or, more realistically; someone who isnt wise with stam use will get left behind by the herd when fleeing a predator.

Regardless of thresholds, if you are alone vs a group, the group will always have more stamina. Thresholds arent really even an issue at that point. Even if they didnt exist, if you are not smart in your stam use, you die. Simple as that.

The current thresholds:

• trot past 60%
• walk past 40%
• stand/sit below 20%

It is a reflection of the exhaustion of your animal. You can't keep jogging and expect to recover after a marathon type deal.

If you take multichambered and it is maxed out? Thats 15%-20% lower thresholds i think. So at that point you can regen stam while trotting at 40% or above.

The complaints about it are, in my opinion, often poorly targeted. If they want to travel the map quickly, maybe the issue is the trot speed of the animal is too slow rather than the stamina. Maybe the stamina regen is poor while trotting regardless of threshold (hypsi), etc.

[ripe spire]

Aren't those hypothetical examples? If I end up with only 30% and another dude finds me and decides to run me down with full stamina, then I will die even if there is some minor regeneration. I mean it depends on what species and/or distance we talk about but in general this shouldn't really make a difference.

Your 2nd point also doesn't make sense to me. If someone is unwise using stamina then he puts himself at risk, no matter how the regeneration works. Even if regeneration worked normally below lets say 20% I still would have to save some stamina and be mindfull of how much I spent, no?

I also don't get why the group as a whole would have more stamina. All I care about are the individual values of each group member which is exactly why the current system can be abused.

The reflection of realism is irrelevant since we talk about about a crucial gameplay mechanic. Realism can't be applied to ingame behaviour.

[wintry cipher]

It cant be no, hence i used a variety of examples as you are a different person and one might stand out to you better than others. And yes, in any discussion we're going to have to refer to hypotheticals.

What exactly are you classifying as abuse of the stam thresholds?

And to be blunt on my stance I'm not for or against it. My tone above was more cause and effect based on how I see it play out. I am more cautious with my stam use because those thresholds exist, essentially. Its mechanics for mechanics sake and I can't read the devs' minds. I can only guess at the reasons.

[paper galleon]

@stone lynx that's what a friend and I literally said when the allo came out, I hope they do something with the pounce, it's horrible xd, and the claw rn it's a "beta"

[stone lynx]

Fr! Like why someone thought that it will be a good idea to give us this OP dinosaur. It can't even jump...

pounce on allo was a funny thing at first when allo and rex were unofficially on some random deathmatch servers

but it's not funny anymore

[narrow cypress]

I have said that literally since the day one , but most of the people here didn't want to understand like a guy with a photo of a hadrosaur, you cant build a dino from a mechanic with zero skilled , but his answer was "devs have done like that" Allo should be a dino that you can control and wins your battle because of skill but the answer of some guys here is , " if you want a dino you can win with skill go to play cera"

Allo is the unique Mid carni this game will have until Albertosaurus in 4-5 years that is why i I'm really insistent about the allo because I want it to be a dinosaur that has a niche, since there won't be another one mid tier, And if we don't take care of the only one we have, we'll lose the most important part of the game, since many people focus on leveling up mid tier dinos, but what if there's only one and it's poorly done?

[rose drift]

Can we get a damn unstuck? I just did everything i needed to do for prime and i slide down a ravine and cant move just waiting to starve out. If the night is so damn dark i cant see 2 feet infront of me why are there these stuck spots...

[icy lion]

/unstuck

If that doesn't work, check the pins in #evrima-na #evrima-eu to see how to request assistance

[rose drift]

omg

ur a life saver

thought that was only dedicated servers

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

they cant do anything about the background process stuff but yah

#general-feedback message

just pvp at your peak?

or find an unofficial without the elder system, both work

half the purpose of the elder system is to discourage mindless pvp gameplay to begin with

[halcyon sparrow]

is there any reason why theres not a map in this game? ive played the isle forever i js always wondered why

[stone lynx]

i would be happy to have a perfect mid tier carni to play. Decent bite dmg, good bleed dmg and you can take down even apexes if you play smart. But if it's only ''pounce and wait'' its literally no fun. Omni is great with pounce but you cant just spam it or attack anywhere.
I feel like now allos die in fight only if they are being attacked by surprise or if they really play stupid

[halcyon sparrow]

@coarse juniper the cama in legacy could literally 1v1 1v2 a rex unless they change that it should not grow fast

[paper galleon]

@pliant elm you're not very good at math, right?
I'm going to accompany you to school and help you understand it, you haven't even found out how utah pounce work, to misinform don't talk, if you wanna talk, look for information to speak with knowledge, otherwise this becomes a playground for 5 year olds saying meaningless things XD
when a dinosaur has less than 25% stam or life, they can pin with approximately 25% of their weight (is this something that the utah has had for approximately 1 year?), knowing this:
teno prime vs allos:
1,800 kg
need 1.8k * 0.25% = 450kg to pin
allo have 3 * 151 kg = 453 kg
oh, what is that?, can pin it?????, omg, surprise, but in any case, unless it has little life it is impossible for the allos to kill teno, when the stam is over they won't be able to attack or kill the teno and the bleeding won't decrease much, you don't have to think much to know that it won't die unless you have low hp
let's do more calculations:
teno prime vs utah:
1,800 kg
need 1.8k * 0.25% = 450kg to pin
utah have 3 * 151kg = 453kg
WAIT, WHAT?, OMG, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, NERF ALLO, IT'S VERY BROKEN
am going to send u photos so you understand a lit more how it works even though they already clarified it but I think you have forgotten

@pliant elm

[pliant elm]

Yes, I know. Allo shouldn't have the same math as Omni to cause Pin and Grapple

Is much harder to all the Omnis be on the victim using Pounce, unlike with Allo

With 2 adult Allos you can already grapple Anything

You didn't need to write all that text to try to sound intelligent xd

[jovial arch]

ngl tho if u run below 25% stam u kinda asking to die

and plus herbis can just take tactile

I mean idk this has always been an unskilled player punish mechanic

[pliant elm]

Yes, that's true. But having Allo grapple math the same as Omni doesn't work well whitout being unbalanced and unfun, since the two are very different

[jovial arch]

ngl, ive never seen anyone use the grapple math ingame

[pliant elm]

Omni having this math isn't a big problem, since he's fragile, even though he's fast and agile

The math for Grapple versus Allo should be much lower than Omni

[jovial arch]

sure, tbh i dont really care, it has a minor impact on gameplay, it's really just a bad player tax

it's not something practically used as a mechanic in actual combat

[pliant elm]

Letting that same math of 2 Allo be able to give Grapple up to 4x its weight for health and bleed below 20% and decrease from 4x to like 2x-3x for a stamina below 25%

[jovial arch]

ngl im generally of the opinion that they should rework allo pounce so

[pliant elm]

It's one of the main things in a fight between a group of Allo and something bigger

[humble brook]

for the love of god nerf rex speed and turning speed. you can keep the damage, its way to easy for rex to dodge attacks and turn around, studys show rex will shatter its own bones if it runs abovve 12 mph like what the helllllllllllllllllll

[pliant elm]

One of the finals, actually