general-feedback-discussion

[median abyss]

it can.....

[junior nymph]

it may be able to

[glass lion]

I'm vetting it not be able to do so.

[junior nymph]

vetting?

[median abyss]

venting?

[junior nymph]

you took the cama to the vet?

why not just say change

[median abyss]

It's a pet

he's taking it to the vet

[junior nymph]

you aare examining it?

[median abyss]

your gonna critically examine if it will not be able to do so?

[glass lion]

What I'm saying is that... when you wrestle/tussle with a 20 ton animal, your gonna get knocked down and won't be able to get back up.

[median abyss]

Can we talk about how he's speaking Shakespearean english lmao

[median abyss]

you can let go of right click to hop off, want more tips?

[pale prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182932702798811159/1291628478344593450/hesbehindmeisnthe.gif

[glass lion]

I'm talking about 1v1 confrontations where Cama gets there first (aka first move).

[median abyss]

it's not chess, there are no turns

you just do whatever whenever

[glass lion]

Wrong. Cama will depend on dispatching its opponent fairly quickly. It's in the program.

[median abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luB9PeSVCCA how bro speaks

[median abyss]

What? I said there are no turns, what are you on about?

[glass lion]

If you do not do what I'm telling you to do and play the game (aka chess) - you will die for being stupid.

[median abyss]

I do play chess, but there is a difference between chess and a dinosaur game

[junior nymph]

ive been checkers this whole time NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[glass lion]

And I'm saying when your dealing with a 20 ton animal, its a game of chess, not a game of chance.

[junior nymph]

Its a game of dont get hit.

[median abyss]

It's a game of survival

https://tenor.com/view/adult-swim-owl-night-time-night-out-of-tags-gif-7379396605877542396

[glass lion]

Damn straight. I'm vetting the devs will make Cam a basic win or lose battle. There shouldn't be foulplay to a 20 hour growth animal.

[median abyss]

They won't, the game isn't just win or lose, both sides can either fight or not fight. The game isn't in turns, at the same time a cama stomps, a troodon can pounce etc

[glass lion]

Bro still on troodons. Bro what are you on?

[pale prairie]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExemYweDFmeHB0OWIxZ3drM2N0NXEzNmt6dnhtY3N4aWh5dG51cmg3MCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Vm2AXa4xs1p7IfV2NQ/giphy.gif

[median abyss]

Ok let it not be troodon, at the same time a cama is stomping a rex can go around and bite it, the idea was for it be an example not me "still on troodons"

[glass lion]

If a raptor can't pounce a trike on its side, how tf is a troodon gonna pounce a sauropod?

[junior nymph]

still on troodons?

[median abyss]

it can

[junior nymph]

my dude it can...

[iron knoll]

since when it cannot XD

[pale prairie]

it can, can't it?

[median abyss]

it can pounce the side

[glass lion]

I'm vetting it not to be able to so, and if it is, it will do zero damage.

[pale prairie]

you're using "vetting" in the wrong context.

[median abyss]

It can pounce the side, always, and also it does venom

[junior nymph]

im vetting it

[pale prairie]

that being said, raptor can pounce trike.

and by it, haha.

[median abyss]

"I'm vetting it, oh yes i'm veting it"

[iron knoll]

but why XD why shouldnt it pounce the side of a trike

[median abyss]

emphasis on "SIDE"

[junior nymph]

my guy you are trying to use english premium but you aint even using the words in the right context

[glass lion]

What are you talking about? The whole point of Cama's existence is to drop its opponent dead before it can do anything. Rex won't be going around for a pin when it stomps. Cam won't be standing on its hind legs unless it absolutely knows it can stomp.

[junior nymph]

i will NOT be joining your university

[median abyss]

Against a larger opponent it's a lot easier. However when it's say a small tier with good agility, it might not be the easiest to kill

[iron knoll]

its gonna have trample to help out... maybe just keep walking and the omni or troodon just randmly dies XD

[glass lion]

Yeah, so lets keep the subject on large opponents. Small dinos should not be able to pounce period.

[median abyss]

Blud is not Andrew Tate

[pale prairie]

why not?

[iron knoll]

BUT, I i still wanna understand WHY an omni shouldnnt be able to latch with its big azz claws to teh trike

[glass lion]

Utah can rest on its back coz.

[pale prairie]

it doesn't have to rest on its back.

[median abyss]

WHAT? "Not be able to pounce period" small dinos should be able to pounce anything tbh, anything bigger than them

[median abyss]

and?

it can do it on trike, why is cama an exception

also bucking exists

[glass lion]

Wdym - doesn't have to rest on its back? The only way to bleed it out is by resting on its back and staying there for hours and hours repeating the process before it bleed or poison the animal out.

[pale prairie]

@glass lion hey so random question.
what happens when you slit your wrists or cut a major artery in your leg?

[median abyss]

Bucking exists, it is a game mechanic, why should it be an exception to cama and not other creatures?

[glass lion]

Bucking on cama looks stupid. Only standing on hind legs would look feasible and even yet thats a stretch.

[median abyss]

"It looks stupid so it shouldn't be in the game" is not a valid argument

[glass lion]

It is. Have you seen the "Anky is not a bad animal" video from pesky? He breaks down the logic of the game and basically states the game needs dinos that can either fight back what can kill it or run away. If a animal can't do any of those things - it looks conceptually ridiculous and shouldn't be in the game (aka not be stupid).

Pesky brought anky back into the game

[junior nymph]

no he didnt

[pale prairie]

hey so random question.
what happens when you slit your wrists or cut a major artery in your leg?

[glass lion]

It's planned dinosaur.

[glass lion]

You die.

[median abyss]

It always was planned lol

[junior nymph]

yes it is, it always has been

he made that in legacy

[median abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[pale prairie]

ok.
so, we just confirmed, just now, that omniraptor does not, in fact, need to rest on camas back to bleed it out.

[glass lion]

Did you understand this: It is. Have you seen the "Anky is not a bad animal" video from pesky? He breaks down the logic of the game and basically states the game needs dinos that can either fight back what can kill it or run away. If a animal can't do any of those things - it looks conceptually ridiculous and shouldn't be in the game (aka not be stupid).

[median abyss]

We have not seen the animations yet, why are we judging it already

[median abyss]

Homie i've seen the video, so cama shouldn't be able to be pounced?

[median abyss]

The animation for it hasn't been made (or shared)

[glass lion]

Cama is too fat to move its body like a giraffe can to buck lions off its neck.

[median abyss]

Ok, then should cama be immune to pounces? is that what you're trying to say?

[glass lion]

Yes.

[median abyss]

Again, this is a video game, it's not meant to be realisitc. And also it doesn't look ridiculous

[median abyss]

BRUH

[glass lion]

It does.

[junior nymph]

what about allo

[pale prairie]

why?

[median abyss]

"It does cuz I said so 🤓 ☝️ "

[glass lion]

Allo doesn't have the grip strength.

[pale prairie]

allo will be able to pounce in this game.

[median abyss]

My brother, it's a game

also it does

[median abyss]

Look at those arms man

[pale prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1346911060443009064/Allosaurus.gif

[median abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/lewis-saunderson-guy-screaming-gif-13239655070747194545

[glass lion]

Still looks ridiculous, also if allo pounces which it shouldnt be able to do in the first place. It should be locked in place for however many seconds. This allows cama to slow its roll and kill it (aka the death roll)

[junior nymph]

tooo bad buddy dondi confirmed that sauropods have to be scared of allo 😛

[median abyss]

Herra didn't climb irl but it does here, the game is meant to be fun and engaging and each creature has important mechanics to make them fun and not repetitive

[glass lion]

Dondi isn't me tho. I'm vetting Cama to be able to dispatch pouncing allo.

[junior nymph]

are you trying to say betting?

like you bet that cama will be able to kill allo?

[glass lion]

Bro damn straight. 20 hour growth cycle vs 30 mins.

[junior nymph]

3 and a half*

[median abyss]

Ah yes the 30 min allo growth cycle

my beloved

[glass lion]

You know what I mean

[junior nymph]

thats the neat part, I dont

[glass lion]

Wasn't speaking to u

https://tenor.com/view/got-heem-laugh-lol-gif-8689666

[junior nymph]

ah man

you got me.

[median abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-accepting-fate-tiktok-at-peace-gif-567488341419321713

[median abyss]

You really did get him huh

[junior nymph]

yeah

[median abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/god-slap-slap-of-god-nicolas-cage-slap-gif-1927807492062256907

[glass lion]

Yes. If I can't have anky. Cama will have to do. Glad to see were getting this poo of a sauropod before whatever magey was.

[junior nymph]

magy*\

magyarosaurus

[pale prairie]

what are you talking about.
we're getting anky.

[glass lion]

Not in my lifetime.

[junior nymph]

so you are 80?

[pale prairie]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExc2kzcWc1cGxoaDlsMDh1ZGp3NWlkNTF1aWViaTIxYjFuM2F1aDh2bSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/vNNaGqCNDu7HveUnir/giphy.gif

[median abyss]

haha funny isle takes a long time joke, very original and funny

He left 😭

omg he's back

[glass lion]

Yeah because I won every argument in conversation.

[median abyss]

sure you did

omg he's gone again

[pale prairie]

let me get you a story.

[median abyss]

big sad 😭

[pale prairie]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[glass lion]

Yeah because thats the isle for ya. If it don't fit, it's cut. Small dinosaurs be gone

https://tenor.com/view/rolando-inocencio-rolly-cross-holy-water-exorcism-gif-11596938014989052843

[junior nymph]

huh

[pale prairie]

what?

[glass lion]

What was your story?

[median abyss]

Dryo, Hypsi, Homolo and more are planned, cry about it

[median abyss]

The lion and the rat

[finite lagoon]

Sounds like someone hasn't encountered a proper troodon pack in a while. Wanna change that? 😂

[latent olive]

@deft flame thats only the immediate, upcoming list

not the entire list of animals

megalania is on the last of the priority list

[deft flame]

I understand that you plan to put the Megalania at some point but it is precisely that, it has very low priority with respect to several dinosaurs that are thousands of times more complicated to balance and even work with, and for practical purposes this may be subjective, but they are extremely boring compared to everything that the megalania has to offer, for example, the Camera sounds great but for practical purposes it is probably a boring dinosaur to play with again,

sorry for my bad English, I hope you understand

[latent olive]

(im not a developer)

but i can see why megalania is very low priority

it is so every mechanic and system gets finished and perfected first, ready for mongolia

[deft flame]

Since the Megalania ArtWork came out, I've been waiting for anything from him and reading that devastated me, I hope you understand

Translated development time, I'm not complaining but it will be 3-4 years for the megalania to come out

[latent olive]

oh i understand

i, myself, specifically make up like 14% of every "megalania" mention in this discord

dondi knows me as the megalania guy

dondi also spoke on livestream about "bumping up the guy at the back of the priority list a little bit because some mechanics have been (or are being) finished"

i am paraphrasing this though so do not take it 100%

[junior nymph]

@elfin cedar are you saying you are for solo nesting?

[elfin cedar]

When i say that solo nesting is a missed opportunity for socialization and cooperation i think im on the opposing side

[junior nymph]

ah

well I mean

you need a mutation to solo nest

[elfin cedar]

and now i have place for one bc i dont have to pick the speed muations anylonger, but what does that have to do with anything

[limber hull]

sorry i missed someone wants cama to be killed by a single apex??

[glass lion]

@junior nymph wdym?

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

i dont see what's confusing about that

[junior nymph]

theres nothing confusing about what I said

[glass lion]

who agreed to changes?

[limber hull]

heh?

agreed to changes? what?

[junior nymph]

but if you are talking about the hacking comment, I said that due to the anticheat noticing if you are going over a certain speed for a animal causing you to get kicked, they had to increase this speed limit due to photo and noct being buffed from entombing and just the speed increase in general, removing those 2 mutations causes them to lower the speed limit so speedhacking wont be as much as a issue as it is now

[junior nymph]

I dunno who agreed, seems 9 people did

[glass lion]

but that doesnt mean the mutations are automatically removed

[junior nymph]

yes they are removed what?

speedmutations are being removed

[limber hull]

or at least the speed element of them is

[glass lion]

Photo and noct mutations still ingame bro.

[junior nymph]

Im talking about whats said in the devblog

[glass lion]

Why they remove it?

[junior nymph]

because its a meta mutation and it directly breaks the balance of the game?

[limber hull]

people have been asking for the speed mutations to be nerfed for months

[junior nymph]

which is why I also think tactile and gastro should get reworked or removed

[glass lion]

What do you mean? That mutation isn't even good and some animals depend on it to escape predators yo.

[junior nymph]

it is good

me when the ceratosaurus picks photo and can now outspeed teno and pachy

[limber hull]

it's quite literally the best mutation in the game

[junior nymph]

yep

[limber hull]

besides like, gastro and tactile

and congen too

[limber hull]

the fact that animals depend on it to escape is a problem in itself

[junior nymph]

||all also need to go bye bye||

[limber hull]

also most animals rely on it to escape on animals with it lol

like a pachy can escape a cera fine, unless the cera has the speed mut, in which case the pachy also needs it to survive

[glass lion]

The fact that I didn't even get to try these mutations because I could not entomb enough is a problem in itself too. You don't see the devs fixing any of that though when it benefits them.

[junior nymph]

cera with full maxed mutation and it being prime goes 49.5km BTW

[limber hull]

what? you can pick them without needing to entomb

[glass lion]

5% bonus speed on stego isn't effective. 15% is interesting.

[limber hull]

it can't even reach 15%, first of all

second of all, it's broken is what it is, 5% or otherwise

10% is the max entombment value for photo and nocto

[glass lion]

No it was 15% because you get to entomb twice.

[limber hull]

no, first entomb is 7%

second entomb is 10%

[glass lion]

I didn't know.

[limber hull]

and it caps at 10%

[glass lion]

But none of that matters anymore because they removed it?

[limber hull]

yes, thank god

[glass lion]

That means rex aint gonna catch poo

[limber hull]

yes it will lol, it has murdersprint and the power of ambush

it'll actually have to work for its ambushes tho, sadly for rex players

[glass lion]

But has no stamina. No sustain. Its poo

[limber hull]

that's why it's an ambush animal and not a pursuit animal

you have successfully identified the weaknesses of an ambush oriented creature

[glass lion]

Bruh they legit took the only interesting mutations mutations that would benefit canni

[limber hull]

if you want an animal that runs things down for distances and is also an apex, giganotosaurus is your guy

[limber hull]

they took the mutations that were obliterating the survival game and turning it into a PvP meta hellscape and took them out back

now cannis, just like everyone else, will have to work to be cannis, not just rely on a crutch

[glass lion]

But now they have no reason to entomb yo.

[junior nymph]

what?

yes they do, theres more mutations than photo

[glass lion]

Why entomb when the the only mutations worth entombing is that?

[junior nymph]

and if they dont entomb, the people that do will get stronger and be better at surviving

[junior nymph]

literally every mutation is worth entombing for

[limber hull]

They have more than just those mutations

Also the speed muts are NOT the only things worth entombing LMAO

[glass lion]

What is the entomb multiplier for advanced gestation?

[limber hull]

we still got tons of meta muts unfortunately, and other survival muts are INSANE on high entombs

enhanced digestion with several entombs just lets you get diet so easy

[glass lion]

Why doesn't diet decrease anymore when elder reached?

[limber hull]

what?

[glass lion]

Diet doesn't go down when elder reached

[junior nymph]

it does?

[glass lion]

THANK GOD I CAN FINALLY CHOOSE MY GENDER

GAME IS WORTH PLAYING AGAIN

[junior nymph]

you could always?

[glass lion]

The mutation sequential hermaphroditism allows a player to change to the opposing sex.

[junior nymph]

yea

[glass lion]

which means i can entomb now and get female yo

[junior nymph]

thats a bug

[glass lion]

this mutation fixes it

[junior nymph]

no

[urban flax]

wth is going on XD

[junior nymph]

because its getting fixed next update along with getting put into the game with the default

[glass lion]

Wth u talking about? The mutation allows to change sex and allows to nest players alone yoooo

[junior nymph]

2 separate mutations

[glass lion]

nobody gives a poo about that fix if this mutation is in

[limber hull]

what

[urban flax]

This is false

[limber hull]

what a bizarre way of looking at things

[glass lion]

IS THE MUTATIONS ADDED AND SPEED MUTATIONS REMOVED NOW?

[urban flax]

Caps

[glass lion]

Are these updates in hordetest?

[urban flax]

Was there an announcement saying they are ?

[glass lion]

@junior nymph said they removed the speed mutations

[urban flax]

No ?

[junior nymph]

donblog

[glass lion]

you lost in ur mind?

[urban flax]

I read the conversation and I know what you're talking about

[junior nymph]

ah

[urban flax]

I was thinking the exact same thing about you
But then I remembered you need to actually have a mind to be lost in it

[glass lion]

says bro the dude who proceeds to interprut a convo of and answer a question without reading devblog in announcements

[limber hull]

what

[urban flax]

Are you having a stroke ?

[limber hull]

he read the devblog that's why he knows what frolo is talking about lmao

everyone but you seems to be caught up lol

[glass lion]

answer this simple question: are the mutations photo and noct do not gain speed right now ingame?

[limber hull]

they do, no one said they didn't lol

all frolo has done is praised the announcement of the nerf lol

[glass lion]

thats all the information i needed. no update. no devblog. no nothing. yet. game not worth playing till those two new mutations are in.

[urban flax]

why are you like this

[limber hull]

what

im genuinely baffled by you

"no devblog"

there was. provably and tangibly so

[glass lion]

You have a right to input. I have a right to make a decision.

[limber hull]

im not even disagreeing with the decision i dont really care i just dont know why you're just saying things without thinking about those things

like there's a lot of words with your statements and i dont think they benefit from the presence of some of those words

[wooden agate]

its 10x funnier when it realize he's split himself into two different channels and then sends the exact same messages twice in a row in response to wildly different context

i dont know who this person is but i like their style of ragebait

#isle-discussion message

we need more senseless ragebait that just makes you scratch your head a little

[limber hull]

wait what he said it twice

to multiple contexts

[wooden agate]

and the opinion thing twice

[limber hull]

????

no wonder half of his statements sound utterly disjointed from the topic

he's speaking two convos at once and saying the same thing in both of them

[wooden agate]

we are but silhouettes to him, faceless beings

i think i agree with him now

no devblof.

[upbeat folio]

Can we please hold back on content (i love new content, dont get me wrong) But could we please do something about unhinged cheaters. I know we cant stop cheaters from using programs and buying new accounts but like Jessie Pinkman said: "He/they cant keep getting away with this!!!"

[urban flax]

Did you read the devblog ?

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

no that was not the point of ptera

[upbeat folio]

ty, its just frustrating.

[proven river]

What?

[proven river]

Your decision is being angry for the sake of it?

[proven river]

LOL

[proven river]

You realise the people making content, and the people trying to stop cheaters aren't the same, right?

[wintry cipher]

Thats like asking security to stop teaching art classes at a college lol

[weary elk]

Because I didn't like it. Hope that helps 👍

[limber hull]

informative, prompt and to the point

[weary elk]

Well, dude's been trolling for a little while now so I felt it was an appropriate response. Lol

[wintry cipher]

As a note for any crush commentary, check the devblog. Dondi specifically says what they know is wrong with it and will likely be tweaked

[icy lion]

@naive elk Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[lucid sinew]

wow we agree on something!

I’m not mad. I just always find the devblogs funny to read.

Idk why people get so mad after devblogs release too.

It’s like dude…we’re seeing progress on the game and what the future holds how can you be mad?

btw game is in great shape atm…other than the constant hackers and cheaters, especially in the EU servers. I think a South Swamp rework is needed in the future. It covers too much ground and there is no incentive for traveling or staying there…unless a certain semi aquatic species is released.

[south summit]

"Anti-Air Commentary: Pteranodon can only attack heavier players on the ground while they are hovering in airbrake or they will knock themselves out of the sky." WHAT? 🤣

[lucid sinew]

PT being slowed down does feel a bit uncharacteristic. I’d expect a larger species of Pterosaur to move in that manner.

[pliant elm]

Feedbacks: "Cerato needs nerf"

Devs: Let's Nerf Ptera 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Now Ptera is bad at flying, can't attack others on the ground and has a horrible camera

I don't even want to see how horrible Quetz will be

[full pewter]

@ancient mural Trex be bigger in terms of weight? Or volume?

[ancient mural]

Mainly size I feel it's too small, maybe it's just me but I feel it needs to be bigger to feel like a massive predator.

I have a full grown one rn and it does feel big but it seems the old model seemed even bigger.

[urban flax]

Ptera being unable to harass land creatures forever with no risk taken whatsoever means it will now be able to be buffed in other ways

It's exactly the same as carno
Carno kept getting nerfed and felt terrible to play because charge was too busted
Then it got a rework and now people say it's too strong now despite charge still being weaker than it originally was

And it's for that same reason deino needs a complete rework in order to finally feel good to play as and against

[pliant elm]

Harass? Anyone who has had a problem killing or running away from a Ptera has had serious problems

I don't doubt that they can improve the Ptera in other ways, but I highly doubt that will happen right after these nerfs

[urban flax]

Or the pteras didn't know how to play
Because I used to attack players as ptera and never once they were able to run away or fight back
This includes omnis, stegos, carnos, deinis and ceras
I didn't attack tenos because I like tenos

[urban flax]

It happened with carno

[pliant elm]

It will probably take more than 5 months for any minimal improvement to occur in Ptera.

[full pewter]

The thing is that trex is size accurate when compared to the human models, and so are the other dinosaurs for the most part. Like stegosaurus for example, it’s smaller than trex yea, but even a dino that’s half the weight and three fourths the length of a rex is gonna look at least comparable

End point, trex doesnt “dwarf” other large Dino’s like in the movies

[ancient mural]

Lol

[pliant elm]

And these were bad players, and yet I never even saw any feedback complaining about it

The amount of unnecessary changes that are being made, while those who really need it are left aside

I find this very funny

[wet grove]

New maj = new broken things on the Isle ! Thanks devs.... No prefered food, mz , pz on my stego. Gonna not have my prime with that 🙂

[lucid sinew]

Nah. I think the assets (bushes/trees/buildings) make it appear as if we are smaller in size. You should see a human asset next to a rex, it seems accurate enough.

[lucid sinew]

also think about it…we already get larger with the Elder System.

[ancient mural]

I'm not to worried, I might just be use to path of titans, the rex does seem big, it just seems smaller then the older model.

[lucid sinew]

maybe you will enjoy Giga more when it is released. It is larger than the rex and my guess it will be more agile in movement than the rex.

in 5 years…

GTA 6 might be out by then

jkjk

[ancient mural]

Yeah probably, I like rex I do a lot maybe I just need to get use to it

[wintry cipher]

Id reccomend going to a human structure to get an idea of just how big you are. Some of the trees seem comically big

[lucid sinew]

agreed.

honestly even some of the crates and structures too.

[wintry cipher]

A galli has to crouch to get through a door for example

[lucid sinew]

exactly

[wintry cipher]

They are tall

[lucid sinew]

I’m glad I am not the only one who noticed this

[ancient mural]

I've been thru some buildings rex seems big, but like I said just seems smaller then the other model.

Growing rex, I was wondering if it was gonna get bigger I was full grown but looked small, I logged out for a bit, joined back and I was huge, so might just be me.

[wintry cipher]

Might be you, but even if it is smaller id just take the advantage to be mildly less of a walking billboard for humans to shoot at

Part of why even if the trees are huge you wont see me complaining thats free cover

[urban flax]

Their skill actually doesn't matter at all against ptera
They simply can't do anything as soon as the ptera understands how to attack without putting itself at risk

[pliant elm]

Skill will always matter in any fight

Ptera can be killed by the Beak hitbox when attacking

[urban flax]

No, the hurtbox extends way past ptera's hitbox

I mean the hittrace

[shy fox]

stupid bird runing my game

how dare it fly around

[shy fox]

buddy i will be honest if you consistently get killed by pteras where it becomes enough of an issue that you cry that it needs a nerf this absolutely is a skill issue on your part

[urban flax]

If you had read the previous messages it's the opposite

The only thing preventing ptera from killing everything is its low damage, limited stamina and the player's patience

[shy fox]

okay, applying those words to other players

[urban flax]

Trust me, I plated during update 3

[shy fox]

i played since release, this arguement does not apply to me. i've seen all iterations of all playables

[pliant elm]

I've killed many Pteras just by biting their beak, it's not too difficult when you know both Playables and hitbox

[shy fox]

ptera's pecking is such a god damn non-issue, especially with the current abhorrent stamina

there are so many ways to get rid of a ptera that's chasing you like
change elevations to make it waste stamina
lose it in thick bushes
circle around a tree until it gets bored or crashes
literally just dodge it

[pliant elm]

You can also just crouch and stand up when it goes to attack, or just run into a forest if you're not confident enough that you can kill a Ptera

[shy fox]

⬆️

[urban flax]

It's the same problem as deino, there is no counterplay
Which means it can never be weak enough

If there was any sort of counterplay (or more skill required for the ptera to attack other players) then it could afford to be much, much stronger

[urban flax]

Forests don't help against a remotely competent ptera
And neither does crouching because it's so obvious

[shy fox]

"no counterplay" are you playing against dementia ward patients?

[lucid sinew]

I think..we can all agree that the Isle is in a good state (in terms of dinosaur roster stuff...) when we are complaining about the PT

[pliant elm]

Forests take away all of Ptera's mobility xd

[fickle cave]

I do agree that Ptera is a non-issue for anything older than Juvi. Hiding in the jungle is an easy avoid, or just bait them into flying too low with a well-timed Crouch/uncrouch.

However, I imagine Ptera is just what theyre using to test mechanics for Quetz. Once that big monster is in, you'll be glad for the changes, because it wont be a 60kg pest pecking at you, it will be a 9ton demon

[shy fox]

oh no, not at all. we still have the whole cerato buff thing to discuss. we're on this right now because of the latest devblog

[pliant elm]

If you can't even handle a Ptera in a forest, you're either up against a Hacker or you're bad

[urban flax]

The only things that ever made me feel like I needed to use my brain when I was attacking people as ptera was omnis jumping to try to knock me out of the sky or stegos massive tail jab hitbox that extends 5 meters above its back

The rest is a non-factor

[pliant elm]

Not to mention that the damage that the Ptera causes is simply ridiculous, so the chances that you will have to kill one are many

[shy fox]

also this

[urban flax]

The reason ptera damage is so low is because, as I said, it used to be able to kill pretty much anything with no possible counterplay

[shy fox]

haha ngl the way you're talking about this mkes me feel like you're humblebragging, like yes i am so good at this game that i agree with a universally hated suggestion to nerf my own playable, the schmucks simply can't handle me

[urban flax]

I'm not even that good

It was just that bad

[lucid sinew]

All dinosaurs need a up air attack....xD

[pliant elm]

There are several counterplays, but this will depend on your skill

[lucid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-godzilla-dave-chappelle-uppercut-fight-gif-10570782

[urban flax]

But tbh knowing how to use a keyboard seems to be considered godlike skill among Isle players

[shy fox]

and so you are agreeing with a universally hated nerf because you ran into bad players?

[urban flax]

It is not universally hated until I've seen every single player manifest against it

Also yes because it means ptera may finally get something in return

[shy fox]

sincerely hope you're never responsible for balancing any game ever, this logic is bizarre. characters should be balanced around mid to higher level of play at least

[urban flax]

When carno was announced to have its charge made manual people called me out as a carno hater and saying it would ruin the playable because I agreed with it

And look how much "weaker" carno is now with its manual charge

[urban flax]

Which is exactly why ptera cannot have good stats right now

[shy fox]

and i agree with that

the bird should not have high damage

[urban flax]

Unless it requires higher skill to land pecks
Which the upcoming change aims to achieve

[shy fox]

in video game design you trade mobility and damage for survivability. ptera has the best mobility in the game, so it's logical for it to be a 2 damage pest that does nothing except fly around and be annoying. they are however taking away that mobility and not giving anything in return

and there is absolutely no way they're giving ptera a substantial damage buff, it would be even more toxic than whatever the hell you're arguing is a problem right now

[urban flax]

Dondi quite literally mentioned in the devblog ptera IS getting something in return, he just didn't mention what

[shy fox]

inconvenience is not skill expression. they took away skill expression when they took away the flight tech

[urban flax]

They're making flight require more skill bruh

[shy fox]

man, it's gonna get a nothingburger pve mechanic

[pliant elm]

What can they give in exchange for these huge nerfs to the Ptera?

[urban flax]

cope

[shy fox]

yes i see where your position is lol

[urban flax]

More ground power and survivability is what has been getting hinted at

[pliant elm]

Ground power? Xd

[urban flax]

Yours seem to be predicting the future, I have nothing to say against that

[shy fox]

except i have not once insulted you during this conversation

[urban flax]

Have I ?

[pliant elm]

Unless they increase the Ptera's weight to 150kg, ground speed to 45 and better turn this won't happen

[shy fox]

"i have played since update 3" gonna repeat myself and say i have played since release, and if don has his sights set on a character he will butcher it until there is nothing left

[urban flax]

That's never how it happened

[urban flax]

It doesn't need any of that tbh

[shy fox]

ptera would have been just fine if they simply enabled in air stamina regen instead of wasting a year and an insane amount of team resources on developing a mechanic from the ground up (air currents) which is basically not even worth using to begin with

[urban flax]

If you think that's the only way you just lack imagination

[pliant elm]

He needs this to have "Ground power"

Anything other than this will be completely useless

[shy fox]

pal, most characters have attack damage that's higher than ptera's current top hp amount. what are you even on about

how could you increase ground survivability if you're gonna take away most of its agility and not give it more fat to tank harder hits

[pliant elm]

Not to mention that the Ptera doesn't need to be good on the ground, it's a flyer lmao

[shy fox]

and yeah this also. this is also a question of a playable's identity

[urban flax]

It'll be way more interesting as a ground-capable animal capable of flight than a glorified spectator cam

Both in terms of capability and risks taken

[shy fox]

sure, fantastic idea! which is why you should give players rewards for playing the intended way instead of punishing them

currently there is no reward for landing, you only land out of necessity

[pliant elm]

It won't be interesting at all. If that happens, Ptera probably won't be able to hunt more than one Troodon Sub

That is if Troodon wants to fight

[urban flax]

Ptera could be given 10 000 hp and infinite stam, it would still be just as boring to play
In a game based on player/player interaction, what it needs is more ways to interact with players
And being actually encouraged to do so

[shy fox]

which is exactly why they're nerfing it, not because it's busted but because they decided that they don't like its current gameplay loop, which i agree is dreadfully boring, but instead of implementing positive mechanics they're just destroying its only fun mechanic

[shy fox]

god damn its like reading my own message, so why are you even arguing with me then?

[urban flax]

Because you seem to have selective understanding about what you read in the devblog

You cry about a nerf, but ignore the fact this nerf is in preparation for a full rework

[pliant elm]

Ptera never needed new animations, being good on the ground or a new camera, Just an improvement in Stam and Stam's recovery

[shy fox]

troo that is roughly >60% can pin it

[pliant elm]

Extremely simple

[urban flax]

Congrats, ptera is still as boring, but can stay bored in the sky for longer

[shy fox]

lol i am upset about the entirety of the changes to this playable over the last year

[lucid sinew]

You guys should try War Thunder. You can do alot of damage from the skies in that game.

[shy fox]

LMAO

[urban flax]

This game was meh

[shy fox]

actually, great idea. im gonna play a game that doesn't punish me for enjoying a thing

[pliant elm]

Of course it's still boring, Ptera is horrible at anything he can do xd

[shy fox]

now with the added bonus of being horrible at the only thing it was ever good at, aren't you having fun?

[urban flax]

Ptera is good at the one thing it's designed to do
Fishing

Devs are trying to make it good at other things, but not the way it was at release
Which was severely unfair

[lucid sinew]

Dude fishing is so fun now.

[shy fox]

i can agree with that, spearfishing is a cool change

[pliant elm]

So much fun hunting AI 🔥🔥🔥

[shy fox]

⬆️ i agree with that too

anyway the solution to all my problems is to uninstall this game and then come back to it several months later like a spouse that abuses me. 10 years unhappily married

[pliant elm]

Fly for 30s, Catch 2 fish, and sit down for 4min. Absolute fun 🔥🔥

[lucid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/snickers-snickers-satisfies-gif-5270238

[shy fox]

What would you personally add to ptera to encourage it to interact with other players?

[lucid sinew]

Its alright guys....one day there will be a true dinosaur game with all the mechanics we wished for and all the dinos we wanted. For now we enjoy the rollercoaster of a ride the Isle will give us. Remember....folks...its heavily inspired by Jurassic Park...

[shy fox]

Oh, gross

For years I wondered why ptera is not a scavenger because back on Spiro it was so great to just live in that little canyon where people constantly fell to their deaths, subsisting off those corpses

I think that'd be a great reason to make it land more, let it eat rotten stuff

[pliant elm]

Remove all recent additions except spearfishing (Or maybe even that), Bringing back the old takeoff and turn, A reduction in stam cost to take off and a reduction in time to recover stam from 3-4 min to 1 m30s

[shy fox]

Also, interspecies interactions. For example let it do what those little funky birds do to nile crocodiles - a bigger animal lies down, ptera flies over, lands and grooms the bigger animal for a bit which gives ptera a small but solid 3 nutrient boost, and the bigger animal gets a 5% health regen buff

[urban flax]

But that's not encouraging it to do anything
It's just back to spectator cam

[lucid sinew]

You know it is odd though...the fact they always change the PT outta nowhere. But its design is just meant for chill gameplay and for pvp purposes a scout...

[pliant elm]

Yes. The interaction will be the fights, there is nothing better than that

[urban flax]

The scout part is one of the reasons why they keep changing it

[urban flax]

But fight what ? You said it would need extra health and extra damage to be able to fight, and you're suggesting none of that

[shy fox]

Yeah honestly I agree with this. Current stam takes about 6 minutes to regen to full, and I think that's okay for the literal most mobile animal in the game, but reducing the cost of takeoff and most improtantly climbing would be big

[lucid sinew]

They probably shoulda thought this through and maybe...not have added flyables until later...

[urban flax]

I think on the opposite, it's good that they added a flyer early so they can test how to make it work over many iterations

[pliant elm]

A spectator Cam that can attack something every now and then and maybe win is better than a spectator that takes ages to recover stam and can't attack anything

[shy fox]

There is a pattern to the isle's dev team, it's that the playerbase will complain about a Thing and propose an Obvious Solution, but the devs will go out of their way to create obscure convoluted workarounds to solve an issue which requires 1 line of code to solve

[urban flax]

But it's not combat
It's just being a pest

[shy fox]

Hi i'm here

It's also not really meant for proper combat and I don't think should ever be a real pvp playable

[pliant elm]

This is fun

[torn river]

I don’t agree with the latest changes to ptera at all, instead of giving it a proper play style they just removed the one the community imposed on it to make it fun

[lucid sinew]

I was hoping for a comment like this

[urban flax]

Only for the ptera

[shy fox]

[shy fox]

Herrera's entire thing is fun only for herrera lul lets make herrera explode when it pounces another player thoughts?

[pliant elm]

Yes. But at the same time it is not unfair at all, as there is nothing unbalanced at the cerato level

[lucid sinew]

Holy Kamikaze herra inbound!

[shy fox]

Wait youre so right this would actually make herra MORE fun

[torn river]

I still have problems with herrera breaking its leg from jumps that did not at all have the broken bone symbol…Lol

[shy fox]

Tactical nuke monkey dino

[urban flax]

Herrera does have counterplay
It adds a feeling of unease at the necessity to look up trees to avoid getting ambushed by one
Also herrera becomes very easy to kill if it misses its pounce

[lucid sinew]

Whoa...what you mean by Nuke Monkey?

jkjk

[shy fox]

Hey it's almost as if it's the same with ptera but your entire opinion about ptera not having counterplay is seemingly based off your experiences fighting against really bad players

[torn river]

Ptera’s counterplay is…Trees Lol. A small dino should be nervous about going into the open, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to allow ptera’s to hunt small creatures

[urban flax]

It's absolutely not the same what

[urban flax]

Trees don't even work against ptera
Well maybe they do now with the latest changes to its flight but I wouldn't count on it

[shy fox]

Oneshot camper vs bird that does 5 damage per peck, which needs more counterplay, $10 cashapp for correct answer

[urban flax]

both need counterplay genius

Because both of them have the power to deal damage and kill

[lucid sinew]

pretty much

[torn river]

Even before this update, it took a skilled ptera to navigate quickly between trees, track a moving very small target as it zig zagged in bushes, and peck it without crashing or losing all ur stam

[shy fox]

One shot Nuke Monkey which you need ESP most of the time to be even aware of its existence in the trees vs bird that does 5 damage per peck

[torn river]

The latest update made it 10x harder for no reason, as it now feels clunky and just not rewarding

[urban flax]

What, you can't see herreras when looking up trees ? Maybe you set your render distance too low

[shy fox]

Per your logic however herra has counterplay despite the fact that 99% of the time it oneshots you and you have no way of fighting back against it, but the bird that goes in for ten thousand swoops and has so many chances of making a mistake or you having a play does not have counterplays

[lucid sinew]

This whole conversation has ragebaited me into booting up the Isle and playing the Pteranodon.

[urban flax]

With ptera, it's only about the ptera making a mistake
You have no control over it
With herrera, if you spot it before it jumps, there is pretty much nothing it can do
Once on the ground, herrera loses to a dryo

[torn river]

Honestly every creature has some sort of ‘you can’t counterplay it’ thing and it’s not necessarily bad imo

Omni pin, Rex crush-They all have risk and reward and just need good balancing for when they kick in since you can’t counter it as the victim when it hits

[urban flax]

officials

[shy fox]

Eu or na?

[pliant elm]

This explains

Official players are, for the most part, horrible

That's why they depend on Mix pack

[lucid sinew]

pretty much this ^

[urban flax]

Idk I've seen some pretty good players sometimes
I've once been killed by a herrera who managed to pounce on me while I was zigzag-sprinting as a juvie carno

I wasn't aware of it being there but still

[shy fox]

I think this conversation is bound to go in circles because you fundamentally cannot understand the fact that people can punish ptera even if it's playing and pecking perfectly just because the other party also has agency and can jump, crouch, move to the trees, change altitude to make ptera lose stamina, hide in the bushes. Like if you want me to congratulate you for the fact that you personally do not struggle with that I can pat you on the back and call you a good little bird, but I have played both with and against other pteras and 99% of birds do not know what to do with these counterplays

Sure you're the grandmaster bird, I suggest we nerf you specifically then

[pliant elm]

Yes, yes. Not all players are Bad, Most of them are

[lucid sinew]

You guys should go play League of Legends.

[shy fox]

I have, it was kind of boring

[pliant elm]

You need to be banned

[shy fox]

LMAO

[lucid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[pliant elm]

I found this very offensive

[stone minnow]

@fading shadow I have in fact been prime elder after being nested. I doesnt lock you out b

[shy fox]

Either way bubulblu i hope you enjoy the new nerfed bird so people who play against the best officials ptera have a fair chance against you lol, idk what to say

[urban flax]

As I already said I don't think I'm above average
I did it, I've seen other players do it, I've seen videos of it

Anything the attacked player can do, unless it's an omni timing its jumps perfectly (and the ptera getting baited into them) or the ptera not knowing stego's tail hitbox extends 5 meters above its back, there's pretty much nothing they can do
Crouching is way too insignificant to make a difference compared to the range of peck, and trees only work if the jungle is dense enough

Bushes okay

But it's ridiculous that you actually need to run away or hide from one goddamn ptera who decided it won't leave you alone if you don't want to die

[torn river]

If it was literally anything else it would be acceptable to chase and hunt you. The bird will eventually run out of stam or you will lose it, or you’ll die and that’s the isle

[lucid sinew]

yep

[pliant elm]

It's not that difficult. Use Alt attack or bite only at the right time and you will kill, and certain dinos can also bite upwards, like cerato

[urban flax]

If everything had an upwards attack it would be okay

[lucid sinew]

yep

[torn river]

A lot of the map is dense jungle and bushes, even the sancs that don’t have bees on the edges could shelter a bigger juvi

[pliant elm]

Yes, it would be good. But even with Carno or Dilo you can still kill a Ptera

[urban flax]

I have yet to see that happen

[torn river]

Carno’s ram hitbox is so large an omni can’t jump over it lmao, I’ve seen it clobber a ptera too

[wintry cipher]

Tbh the knockdown if anything is simply establishing a boundary to stop pts pestering things like trike, rex, cama, etc

[torn river]

It’s not necessary though, like the ptera isn’t doing any harm and will eventually have to give up to find actual food or get stam

[urban flax]

It's necessary if they want to buff ptera in another way

[wintry cipher]

^ ptera also is, per the devs, clearly intended to do fishing by air and hunt dinos on the ground which i would say is more than fair. Even herra has to get on the ground when hunting

Id consider myself a good combattant and its just annoying dealing with them. They should not dictate how another player acts if they are not a threat.

Ie; forcing them to go into cover or be cornered for mixpackers

[limpid bear]

if pteras ground kit is good enough to compensate for the upcoming changes ill be fine with it

[lucid sinew]

The devs/programmers should make Peter Jackson’s King Kong in this game so that when a hacker dinosaur is played they have the power to go in as Kong and destroy em.

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-vs-kong-fight-eat-this-battle-gif-16084420

[faint folio]

@wide kiln that issue actually sounds a lot like a bug to me (in the sense of a weird edge-case nobody thought to test). It would probably be a good idea to submit a #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 on it if you haven't already.

I agree, it shouldn't instantly delete all your growth if you go infertile while you're already prime elder.

@pliant elm I think they're trying to differentiate Ptera and Quetzal play styles... And I suspect quetzal will be more like the play style people currently want ptera to be. I'm a little hopeful that ptera will get some stamina back now that it's incredibly limited in its ability to punch up and kill things 25x its own weight with no counterplay as many animals at the upper end of that weight range can't jump and have no upwards attacks

That being said... I'm also hoping ptera gets some buffs that make it a better juvi/hatchling hunter specifically... Maybe even buffing its weight some to increase its pool of targets, or adding a multiplier to what it can target before getting knocked out of the sky

[ashen slate]

I dont imagine this will be the case. I don't think fliers will be primarily attacking from the air at all. They hunt and search safely from above then land to actually get a kill.

[pliant elm]

That would be very bad. Quetzal is the one who must fight on the ground

Ptera simply cannot fit in as a ground fighter because it is too weak.

[ashen slate]

i mean its not a fighter. Pteradons maily ate fish and bugs. Just the downside of adding an animal that primarily fed on AI-class animals.

[pliant elm]

He already did that before

[faint folio]

Even so... If you want to play a flier that hunts players, it's gonna be Quetzal, not ptera. And I suspect quetzal might have a similar mechanic where it may be able to attack while flying, but only for prey that is "small enough" (id imagine things that it could one shot would be the main category here). But I'd be okay if all the pterosaurs mainly only fought on the ground

[faint folio]

I don't think so either (in regards to attacking from the air). But most of the feedback I've read on Petra changes has been people upset that ptera can no longer effectively hunt other players. Hunting players is going to be mainly Quetzal's thing.

[limber hull]

i despise that peole have assumed that every carnivore HAS to hunt other players it HAS to

ptera is 45kg. Literally any AI is a full meal for it. It can fly anywhere and scavenge any body. There is literally zero harm in making it a PvE carnivore, if anything, that makes it one of the most unique carnivores as it's geared more as a prey animal with emphasis on scavenging and foraging

because you cannot find any other fun besides playing the most boring combat in the entire game where you slowly chip away at someone's health and sanity until they die because they can't actually do anything (competent pteras don't care what you do, they can and will kill you in and out of forests or if you're crouching or whatever)

i think the new direction of ptera is far healtheir and far more fun. spearfishing is an actual game and is really cool, currents feel sick as, etc

[faint folio]

I also think they could probably encourage Ptera to still interact with other players by introducing additional mechanics. Stuff like Petra being able to clean dinosaurs would be reasonable/realistic behavior that we see in real life that also makes it interact with other players in a unique way that isn't just attack everything that moves

[limber hull]

exactly

player interaction can still be encouraged without being horrid for the other party to deal with

[faint folio]

Just had another idea. What if Ptera got slightly better utility in trees, specifically a little more help landing on top of branches and crawling around (slowly, obviously) on trees? Then you could make it a hypsi nest raider along with Herrera... And I imagine it would be quite good at it too with the long slender beak

[toxic wren]

If they just gave ptera the ability to eat rotten food and fix its stamina they could nerf its combat ability to hell and back and I wouldn’t care at all

[limber hull]

i mean i dont actually care all too much about its stam but the rotten food thing i agree with

[junior nymph]

@swift badge /unstuck

[limber hull]

@frozen heron #general-feedback message

can’t it already? I’ve been able to regen when trotting on the surface of the water since forever

It only can’t regen while submerged because submerged swimming costs stam

[frozen heron]

Yea i meant submerged

Should specify that

[junior nymph]

there is only one answer to this

[limber hull]

Lmao even the bot’s a hater

[magic sapphire]

@hollow falcon no offense but if you manage to run out of stamina on freshspawn rex, that's entirely on you. I've run around as rex for half an hour straight and only been down to like half

[hollow falcon]

not that i did im saying that it should be able to run a decent amount as a freshspawn before hitting 60%

personally i dont run below 60

[urban bear]

@untold lava 67!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/67-6-7-six-seven-sixty-seven-67-kid-gif-15167809337439398898

[untold lava]

https://tenor.com/view/what-comes-after-5-6-7-teacher-student-67-gif-688526955260566759

[thorn crater]

@supple pine just wanted to say I absolutely love that drawing of the dryo communal burrow! It looks great and I’m a big fan of the idea behind the water leaks!!

[supple pine]

Thanks! And I figure they’d have to de-spawn somehow, so why not put an audible timer on it. I’ve not nested enough to know who those break down.

[wintry cipher]

The 3 call could be clearer, but the 4 call mimics deer a little in that they "bark" an alarm and bolt. Just because players use a call to mock others doesnt mean it should be swapped

[wicked stump]

Can I get a genuine answer to why hiring people from the community to moderate this game is a bad idea? I got downvoted and it seems very silly to me to find the fact that people are tired of rampant hacking and having 0 active moderators and wanting a solution to that to be a bad idea lol

[summer olive]

#general-feedback message

This gave me the "I am not in danger, I AM the danger" vibes

[bronze niche]

people actually think im serious about this lmao

[urban flax]

People can also downvote trolls yk

[bronze niche]

yeah?

[indigo gulch]

Note that it isn’t me, but hiring someone from the community would take ages because you need to work up on the ladder of trust

To the point where it’s just kinda pointless

[dusty wedge]

Oh wow, that’s a really cool feature!

[limpid bear]

this is quite funny considering when u get the mut itll auto change ur gender( probably) so how in the heck would it be inheritable lmao

[faint folio]

That's what I was thinking. The mutation probably does a 1-time swap of gender the instant you apply it. Why have that be inheritable when the game could just spawn you as the opposite gender to start out with anyways?

[dusky swift]

Can't you freely choose your gender and change it once you have it?

That it's not just a one-time thing

no idea that you can change it every 15 minutes or so

[faint folio]

I'm not sure. But the impression I got from the dev blog was that it was a one-time, permanent swap. That, and because that's how it works irl with animals that can do gender swapping like clownfish

So like imagine youve got a full pack of omnis and they're all male. But you decide you want to nest. One of you could pick up the mutation to become female and be able to nest

[dusky swift]

This assumes that you choose the mutation at that exact moment.

[faint folio]

Yes it does. It seems like most of the nesting mutation should be 3rd or 4th slot locked anyways...

[dusky swift]

It would be more practical if you already had the mutation and when you get into that situation you choose the appropriate gender

[faint folio]

It would also be a lot easier to implement if selecting the mutation applies the swap

[limpid bear]

ik lmao

[limpid bear]

that would require some extra ui thats just too time consuming if im being honest

[dusky swift]

On the other hand, you can simply go for solo nest mutation.

It's simply much more effective for nesting.

That's why I think swapping should be inheritable.

So that the children can always freely change their gender whenever they want to nest, if they meet someone willing.

[faint folio]

I wouldn't be surprised if solo nest is only available for females and the gender swap only available for males tbh. Because you're right, why would a female choose to swap genders when they can take parthenogenesis?

It would also explain why it's not heritable as other gender specific mutations have been made nonheritable

[obsidian jetty]

Well, I would hope that there are still benefits to nesting with a mate that you don't get for nesting solo. Otherwise having a mate would be completely obsolete.

[limpid bear]

but thats really wierd ✌️

[limpid bear]

fr plus nesting with a mate is safer , more effective and easier to raise children

[obsidian jetty]

apart from the obvious things like having an easier feeding with two people and protection and such...yeah

[limpid bear]

yup

some dif buffs would be cool

[obsidian jetty]

we'll see how that goes, overall I'm happy they implemented it tho

now that I think about it...I would even be fine with nesting alone not counting as nesting for prime elder

(as per my previous suggestion that included nesting in the requirements for prime elder...just to clarify ^^)

[dusky swift]

Having a partner is good, but you have to find one first.
Besides, if he dies, you can't continue nesting.

With the mutant, you can lay as many eggs as a chicken 😂

[obsidian jetty]

exactly, but that doesn't mean that that should become the default. I'm just afraid of the nesting system that they put so much work into becoming completely irrelevant, because we're just going back to legacy...if you want to nest, pick female, don't need to care about anything else.

[dusky swift]

I understand what you mean.
Maybe children with fathers should get an additional BUFF ?.

[true hazel]

I feel like people will still nest together. Its safer, easier, and more muts for the kids to inherit. It will make it easier to nest things like Dryo!

[obsidian jetty]

Yes, I stated in my last feedback post, I play solo most of the time, so I understand the struggle and that's also why I am happy that option exists. But it should still be desirable to find a partner. It should just be a backup plan.

[faint folio]

That's a good idea. Another thing that could be done is if each parent passes half their mutations to their offspring, I guess you could make solo parents only pass half.

[dusky swift]

I'm a Troodon main. I'm looking forward to starting my own pack's soon.

[obsidian jetty]

that would also be a good way to do it, yes, there just has to be some type of drawback, so it remains plan b. That's really all I want.

[obsidian jetty]

I totally get it, I don't really know why Troodon is so unpopular tbh.

I want to play Dryo more, but it's not really fun solo 🙁

[dusky swift]

Troodon has received extreme nerfs.

Very high mortality rate as juveniles.
It's slow.
Starves quickly.
Can barely hunt anything.
And only gets venom at 48%. It starves at 38%.

is difficult to survive without adult Troodons

This discourages many players from playing him.
He also dies quickly, which is why many think he's not worth the effort.

Troodon needs a BUFF

[faint folio]

It's also because of how much coordination troodon packs need to be able to hunt things. Spontaneous troodon packs tend to disperse very quickly because they aren't coordinated

[dusky swift]

yes, out of 6 Troodon you can only use 2 in a hunt

It's hard to find good packs randomly

Packs decay faster than they can build

[limpid bear]

when u play with a set group organising before hand troo can be very organised

[obsidian jetty]

yeah, Troodons can actually be dangerous if played right, but I guess a lot of people just don't want to put in the effort for something so small and dependent on other players doing the same.

[limpid bear]

size doesnt matter

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[wicked stump]

i can definatelty see that it would be an issue but applications and vetting people exists

[icy lion]

@hasty dawn What's not working?

[faint folio]

That's true, but not everyone has a set group they play with. Even if you do have a set group, what happens if they're not all available to play, or if many just don't like troodon?

[hasty dawn]

right mouse button when i try to spear fish wont work so i have to leave the game and sit in the queue to play the game 15 mins and it do it again..

[icy lion]

It doesn't work at night

[hasty dawn]

it works just fine until it dont lol

oh my gosh lmao sorry

[limpid bear]

not every dino is for everyone

[indigo gulch]

Well it is the same kind of process as becoming a mod and as a lot of applicants can tell you, it is a lot deeper and longer. It's also very difficult to do vetting online as it doesn't really give a good view of a person. In person it works, online, even with webcam, it isn't as reliable

[faint folio]

Agreed, but troodon needs a group. I quite like troodon, but nobody else in my group does, so the result is I never play it.

[limpid bear]

well their wierd

[indigo gulch]

I mean, not everyone enjoys getting oneshot all the time x)

I've died so often to desyn as FG troodon that it's not funny anymore

[icy lion]

@shut grotto #isle-discussion message

[shut grotto]

ty!

[lilac plume]

is there a spot for bug reports

[dusty wedge]

i think there is on steam discussions

[lilac plume]

ok got grabbed by fish and didnt die lol just sat at bottom river slowly starving to death

[dusty wedge]

nice

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message dodo gameplay

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1329628833518977034/small_game_hunter.gif

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message he did mainly use crush, but this was like 5 or 6 minutes of him moving around the maia to not die so it wasn't no skill

[limber hull]

skill or not, him pinning the maia is still absurd

also maia does like... nothing in terms of damage

[queen locust]

yeah I wasn't agreeing with the pin but i'm pretty sure a maia vs a rex that size can do enough damage to kill it in 5 minutes lol

[pliant elm]

I just used the video as an example of how broken the crush is, with a Rex Sub being able to fracture and pin an Elder Maia

[compact bobcat]

To the raptor that was baiting other raptor with three Carnos waiting. FU

[limpid bear]

precisely it needs a massive damage buff

that was an elder maia too

[empty epoch]

#general-feedback message
there is a reason why they are like this as well, btw

Don came into lore theories channel and talked about it a few months back
basically that there isn't going to be one way of getting nutrients anymore

#isle-lore-theories message

They won't only come from plants and other animals, though. You will come to embrace the change.

Animals will intake nutrients in other ways and from foreign plants and materials.
And so carbs/lipids/protein doesn't really translate in that fashion.

[junior nymph]

@tropic pewter uhh we aint getting that grass... probably

I hope we get it

[tropic pewter]

I hope for that too, because the grass we have now is just terrible.

[latent olive]

"magnet system" is a new one

[sly sleet]

Yeah, what does it mean?

[urban flax]

At first I thought they would be suggesting some form of invisibility, but... auto-aim maybe ?

@indigo pivot No we don't understand

[indigo pivot]

Then read through the text again.
Thank you very much.

And please remember, I don't want to be pinged for no reason.

[urban flax]

There is a reason
I genuinely want to understand what you're trying to suggest

[thorn crater]

Your suggestion doesn’t make a lot of sense, could you try to explain it in a different way?

[indigo pivot]

When I'm hunting as a croc and want to kill an animal, for example an AI deer, because I need food and no other dino is around, the following happens:
The deer runs away before it even sees me. It seems as if the animals are repelled by dino, similar to a magnet with the wrong side facing outwards.

I hope its better now

[urban flax]

Ah so you mean AI animals being unable to detect deino while it's underwater ?

That's absolutely not what I understood from reading your feedback

[indigo pivot]

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

[urban flax]

Ok
I don't think it's being fixed soon-ish, but yeah, the animal AI should be reworked so they cannot see through bushes, foliage, water and etc

Right now they're solely based on proximity

[indigo pivot]

Yes, that's what I meant by the magnet system.

[true hazel]

We absolutely need this, I thought magnet was a typo 😭

[graceful pagoda]

useless devs died 5 min ago with fully grown deino to a hacker deino who couild teleportr and had speedhack what is this !!! do something against all this cheaters i swear its not worth to waste any time into this Game bcs devs doing a about it. Its compelte unreal whats going on on Hordetest#

[urban flax]

Did you read the devblog ?

[graceful pagoda]

yeah i read it

and i see nothing is happen like always

[urban flax]

Don specifically mentioned they got delayed because they were busy trying to find a solution to cheaters

[urban flax]

Classic forgetting there's been updates in the past dedicated specifically to eliminating certain cheats

Such as speed hacks and damage hacks

[graceful pagoda]

they should have enough money to get a good one buts its seems they spent their money on other stuff more important in their eyes

[ruby timber]

guys who can help me with someting pls

there is servers dont have AI's? or all have AI's? in offical servers

[urban flax]

official "No AI" servers don't have AI
The rest do

[ruby timber]

the offical servers dont have AI's? or some of them?

[urban flax]

All official servers except the "No AI" servers have AI enabled

[ruby timber]

how can i know which server is "No AI"?

[icy lion]

It says No AI in the name

[ruby timber]

oh ok ty

[ruby timber]

are you free to play now?

[icy lion]

No, sorry

[ruby timber]

alr. cuz i am new and i want someone to teach me on the game

[ruby timber]

there is no server with "No AI" name

[icy lion]

They're only on the Hordetesting beta branch

[ruby timber]

oh ok

i mean evirma

when do evirma offical servers restart?

[edgy flax]

@narrow cypress isnt it already fixed

[narrow cypress]

Yes ?

[edgy flax]

the trike/dibble bug is fixed

[narrow cypress]

A ok i remove

[icy lion]

@snow peak Quetz is planned

[snow peak]

cool im going to delete that then

can you link the current development plans on it?

[icy lion]

They're scattered around, mostly in devblogs. We've seen concepts and models, it hasn't begun animation quite yet iirc

[snow peak]

have they figured out how they're going to balance it and etc...

[urban flax]

Most likely not yet, balance is always done last

[icy lion]

Balancing is generally the last thing that gets done on a dino

[urban flax]

As we can see with rex rn

[snow peak]

im still new to the game but seems interesting

[tired pewter]

@snow peak would u consider it worth it to buy? since its like 33% off on steam rn

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
100% considering they will have a guard stance

[snow peak]

that'd depend what kind of game youre looking for

so far im enjoying it but keep in mind you'd want a decent pc to have at least 60+fps

with my 1650 i have about 30fps on low settings

[tired pewter]

yea pc aint the problem, def gonna work. im just worried about alot of people calling it out for having mixpacker/discord groups/cheaters etc

[snow peak]

my experience is still very limited but you'd just have to look at how admins handle this sort of issue and how consistent they are

fair to say that easy anticheat is very easy to bypass

[urban flax]

That's why it's called EASYanticheat duh

[tired pewter]

:/

[snow peak]

it's not rampant from what i've seen but you can always refund after 2hrs so might as well try it

[tired pewter]

ive played this game for2 hours already and refunded it like 5 years ago, so no can do haha

[wintry cipher]

...has allo been confirmed to have a murder sprint?

[limber hull]

pre sure yes

[wintry cipher]

I can see the concern, but im willing to see what the devs are thinking with it. It can always be removed later like how Don explained in the devblog

[indigo gulch]

that's a new form of scam

<@&933486433342222376> something something crypto

thank you guys 👍

[pliant elm]

Dondi showed on the live

[wintry cipher]

Ahh must have missed it then

[chilly ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/tron-gif-7607808 new ui be like

[mighty otter]

Really glad they added weekend servers so we didn't have insane ques, went from 44 to 39 in like a half hour!

[modern pollen]

Nah

[limber hull]

i mean given how godawful rex is with it i get it completely lol

i cant imagine allo being remotely enjoyable to face with that gimmick

[cobalt kiln]

Allo is going to played way more than anything else due to its popularity. I just think if it’s able to ambush it’s stam and speed need to be looked at seriously

[modern pollen]

Just give it a decent stam cost so it can only be used in short bursts, that way allo isnt crossing long ass distances with ambush speed due to it needing stam to grapple

[limber hull]

i mean, ambush speed doesn't cost stam iirc

its just a speed boost lol

[modern pollen]

give it a stam cost then, carno charge is essentially ambush speed and it has a higher stam cost then it’s regular run

[limber hull]

it doesn't have a cooldown, it's a different thing

its more of a stance than a cooldown to just "go faster"

it also has reduced agility and changed attacks

[modern pollen]

It’s a speed boost they are the same thing, either way I would like to see some sort of drawback to using ambush speed besides a cooldown

[cinder anchor]

https://youtu.be/GJC1MZ8XxQM?list=PLdMCv4l4uEb2w_30Hz049Ds35GnAWepiN

this game has so much potential

but why is non of it used

[junior nymph]

IMO welcome to the isle doesnt fit the game

[cinder anchor]

id still love to see it

[junior nymph]

acts of god would be a better menu music

[cinder anchor]

ig

[limber hull]

i doubt it'd work on the menu either. doesn't fit at all with the aesthetic they're going for with the menu

especially since the new UI is highly minimalist

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

Certainly a good argument for Troodon, just need to mention that Juvenile Pteranodon in the current hordetest is fully capable of shorefishing, and does not significantly struggle with food as a result.

[steep agate]

#general-feedback message

I know my post made me sound like something of an Isle Tourist, but I am genuinely curious as to why I got ratio'd over my suggestions? Is it the smaller map part or the Seasons part?

[junior nymph]

probs the smaller map

we already got the map cut down in this hordetest,getting it more cut would just make the game feel like a battle royal.

gateway on live

gateway on hordetest

[steep agate]

ohh okay, sorry I haven't tried the hordetest yet. I just got back into Evirma last night, I probably should have checked

[junior nymph]

@heady sable

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

istg i keep seeing "make it make sense" repeated over and over again

[heady sable]

cheaters have been a problem for years.. they mentioned the word cheaters but they don’t do anything abt it

[junior nymph]

they have acknowledged it in a public area though?

[heady sable]

they said one word..

[junior nymph]

no they said they once updates come they will fix the hacking problem

[heady sable]

why are they waiting for the next update to fix the hacking problem? why didn’t they fix it the last update?

[junior nymph]

I dunno? because they found a solution?

your suggestion was asking for a public announcement, where else better then the DEVBLOG you are now literally crying for no reason, we got confirmation that its being fixed and stuff is being done about it.

you are complaning because they already did what you asked

[heady sable]

it sounds like you’re crying lmao. you must be new, the hacking will always be an issue, i hope it gets better and that’s speaking for every single isle player that’s died to hackers

[junior nymph]

im not crying, im just not a doomer

have a good day.

[heady sable]

you replied to me bud, didn’t mean to make you upset lol. have a goodnight :)

[last tulip]

you dont understand their business model -- they need to allow the hackers to have their fun and then ban them at the right time so they buy the game all over again --- lets talk about the real issue here. where the heck are my fish.

[forest zenith]

Why is getting Prime still such a myth? I have zero consistent idea on how to get it, running NA#4 on Hordetest, perfect diet 90% of time, ran around map like crazy, however no MZ/PZ spawned? Do same thing on West Hordetest, get Prime... make it make sense.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

im confused why it'll "need it"

[latent olive]

@round bay you can eat the entire fruit tree

[round bay]

the fruit falls off if you do that and you gotta eat them one by one after

the tree itself does give alot of nutrients which is nice

[latent olive]

do they really

I didn’t know that specific thing lmao fair enough

I assumed the fruit were eaten with the tree

[limber hull]

nah

[round bay]

its really obscure lol, dont blame you

[limber hull]

just the tree lol

[candid fiber]

I reject the idea that fruit should be a major food source for big herbivores.
They should concentrate on eating the tree (which should give more food though) instead.
Bulk feeding fruit would instead encourage fruit eating.
Leave them as slightly annoying pickups - or remove them from the diet altogether, because species specific diets would solve a lot of problems with herbivore feeding.

[junior nymph]

@hollow pewter well the juvie carnivores or adults could just grief the fish and put them on land

[true hazel]

I dont think you can get prime on NA4, due to the broken migration zones :/

[hollow pewter]

They would have to swim for that. Also its the same thing, crocs already do: steal bodys, drag them into the water to denial or bait. All in all it would increase the number of interactions between aquatics and land dinos.

[pliant elm]

@narrow cypress Allo simply doesn't seem to need ambushing, simply because he's a 2.5t carnivore much stronger than any smaller one. One of the main reasons they play with smaller carnivores is because they are fast, so what will happen to all of them if Allo also runs at practically the same speed? What would be the point in playing them if you can just play another one that is stronger and fast equally?

Not to mention that I highly doubt its standard speed will be low, like 35km

It will probably be between 37-39km

[junior nymph]

I mean

[narrow cypress]

I admit it shouldn’t be able to run at 46 km/h, nor should it be capable of hunting those types of dinosaurs under normal conditions. However, it should be able to take advantage of unsuspecting dinosaurs that aren’t paying attention. That’s part of being a predator: seizing opportunities when they arise.

[junior nymph]

they want allo to 100% be faster than cera

[narrow cypress]

no me running at 39km is ok

[junior nymph]

I agree, im just saying the devs want it faster than cera

[pliant elm]

46km will be the ambush speed if the base speed is 39km

[narrow cypress]

39 kmh with ambussh btw

[urban flax]

Where's the need for a speed bonus in that ?

[pliant elm]

Unless they make him run at 35km and be able to reach up to 42km, with an extreme Stam cost that makes Allo use the ambush very consciously

[narrow cypress]

thats a good idea in my opinion , but idk whats allo will be able to hunt , because dondi said 1 vs 1 versus dibble allo will loose sso will be a hard life to survive and 2 ceras will be able to take down a allo

[urban flax]

Maia, galli, teno, juvie dibble, juvie trike, pachy

Only citing herbis

Well technically galli is an omnivore but gameplay-wise it's a herbi

[narrow cypress]

yeah but in the mayority of the servers there will not be alone , in unoficcials that mix herbs are allowed , in most of the cases will not be alone so gonna be hard to hunt , i think ambushing ceras , dilos or raptors in forest they will be the best choice to survive , and should be mencionated that in maayority of the servers the people plays more carni than herb what means that allo is gonna be like a scanvenger from what carnos , ceras hunted

[urban flax]

Let's be honest, there'll be plenty more allo packs than herds of tenos or pretty much any herbi

[narrow cypress]

Yep, on most servers, if you find an herbivore that’s not a DiB, Trike, or Stego, be happy—it’s rarer than finding a €500 bill."

[urban flax]

There's probably going to be enough allos for you to be able to hunt trikes all you want

[narrow cypress]

in ht that canni mutaa will be availaable all we are gonna hunt are allos🤣

[urban flax]

That's what happens when you get a dino making up 2/3rds of a server's population

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

I could be wrong, but it strikes me as though this may be intentional.

If this excellent source of food was widely available without struggle or contest, the population of FG large carnivores, especially Rex right now, would explode.

Official servers are not implementing caps on playables, so to prevent an over abundance of creatures at the top of the food chain, they make food difficult.

Edit: I think I read your intentions wrong. You are not seeking to free the dibbles, but to make sanctuary "Safer" to visit.

And I agree, it's less of a sanctuary, more of a mad house at the moment.

[mellow sedge]

i do think on that note too, spawn points should be either at or a lot closer to the sanctuary's to enable players, especially newer ones, to have a decent start seeing some server pops are so low the spawn rates are just as bad and even official ones can end up being hit or miss with their popularity

[true hazel]

Yeah, I saw 2 FG Rexs in that sanc the other night. Crazy to me that the road going through it is safe from bees!

[paper galleon]

rex needs to hit 50 damage and have 2 tons bcs if not cera, carno, dibble and stego can't do anything, watch me cry instead of using my brain

[pliant elm]

What?xd

[limpid bear]

lmao its so funny when people auto call people new in a game for no reason

[north quiver]

@sonic stone ngl on the main branch, I’ve been noticing teno populations have already been dying down. ever since carno was made to be able to ram adult tenos with no drawbacks (aside from the temporary immunity when kicking/slamming), it’s been pretty easy to slaughter them if the carnos don’t try to face tank

genuinely feel sorry for tenos right now lol but man have they been insanely fun to kill as a carno

[sonic stone]

yea also you dont rly have that much middle herbis

[sonic stone]

so you only have 2 "useless" herbis, a middle to low (teno) 1 middel dibble one middel to up (maia) and 2 apexes...

and considering they wont bring out herbis but 2!! more carnis i see herbis having a bad life

also you get kinda "bored" cause of a lack of otions in one "class"

[north quiver]

yea honestly the only “good” herbis currently are dibble, stego, and trike.

teno is okay but it’s getting left in the dust more and more

pachy is.. pachy lol hypsi and dryo are just walking little snacks

maia honestly sucks

I get so excited when I hear a maia because they’re giant walking burgers

[sonic stone]

would have loived para instead

[north quiver]

I hope para won’t get the maia treatment

[sonic stone]

or an igu

atm you only have a teno or a ceratopsian....if ceratopsian not rly yours and tailswiper too you have basicaly only 1 dino

[limpid bear]

pachy is peak and recently got buffed

maia is peak if ur confident

teno is peak

hypsi is peak

dryo is extinct

[north quiver]

do me a favor and tell anyone wanting to go carno or cera that..

genuinely please

[limpid bear]

btw prime elder pachy makes adult cera fall flat on the floor

[loud sierra]

#general-feedback message the game design should not reward players for not using the tools they have at their disposal

[unique mirage]

But you'd still have to use your sniff to actually find it. The compass showing up just indicates that you smell SOMETHING but you don't know what or where.

You can't tell me you actually like walking around holding Q all the time

[loud sierra]

You'd only use it reactively, not proactively. I like being able to track people by hearing them sniffing, & having to think about when I use it myself.

[wooden agate]

there's no way we want to automate sniffing now

you people cant do anything

[icy lion]

@vital laurel Doesn't exist in HT

[vital laurel]

oh right evrima got a patch

i forgot evrima isnt 0.20.117 anymore

[limber hull]

i mean

it wouldn't be a bad idea but only for mixpack scent

[vital laurel]

but this might be needed to be fixed on evrima as well, this is about as bad as the yeet hack lol

[limber hull]

think about it, a heads up warning of "hey there's some overpowering odor of like 10 dinos together" would be pretty useful for avoiding those things

[unique mirage]

Ngl this is the first time I hear someone say that they track like that. Can't you literally SEE them if you are close enough to hear them sniff?

[loud sierra]

I primarily play deino, I can't see anything 99% of the time.

[weary sun]

Devs 100% need to get active consistent moderation on the servers for banning cheaters, you know its bad when players are literally growing 30 prime anti-cheater rexes and running literal recon missions to track the hacking mixpacks

[limber hull]

imma be real im more concerned about the fact people are able to grow 30 prime elder rexes on one server in the first place

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"Use AI to help make a go fund me, something."

how would this help even marginally with the hacking issue lol

[weary sun]

just by nesting in, and keeping a steady stream of maias coming to feed them until big enough and they would log off, and they'd nest more ppl in after. compared to the hackers who seem to be not only doing that, but also hacking in new canni rexes somehow (cant have muscle spasms iirc and still get elder), it's not really as bad

now, do i disagree with mix packs/mega packs? hell yeah. but players especially on horde are just trying to deal with the issue in their own ways until the devs handle it

[junior nymph]

its a dumb way to handle it IMO

"hey guys lets just be 20 rexes" my guy they are also the problem, in many peoples eyes they will just look like everyone else, just rampantly ruling the server, and players will take inspiration from them but they will actually just grow prime rexes to kill actual people since they know how to do it now.

[icy lion]

@regal nest The application form is in #rules-and-info

[untold lava]

who ghost pinged me in general feedback?

[zenith pagoda]

@brittle lake Bro that carno was going EXTREMELY fast wth

[brittle lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1141757718105968640.webp?size=80&animated=true

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i think the solution is quite literally

A: Split growth into multiple play sessions. I'm not entirely sure why people are so against this conceptually
B: Just play smaller animals to get to the adult stage faster, rather than commit to literal timesinks
C: Don't think of the game as "when I finally get to adult" and instead try to actually play at all stages of growth

I do all of these things when I play and generally I just have a better time. I think trying to crank out an entire growth in one session, especially on larger creatures, is just kind of not worth it and just kind of ends up being somewhat of an undertaking

But then again, it's to each their own on how they play, but I feel the growth time is pretty fair for most creatures as it stands

like if i ever growing a camara, i'm probably never ever doing it in one go lmao, probably gonna be multiple sessions to avoid the insanity

and then i probably won't touch it for months once i'm done

[frozen heron]

A: Most people already do this
B: Not everyone enjoys this gameplay
C: The big problem with this is that for the majority of things, until they are close to adult they are fodder. A baby sauropod is going to be fodder even moreso throughout the majority of its life. This is a specific, pretty bad flaw in game balance which is why I don't like the longer growth times that we're going to get eventually. I would love to go out and experience my growth in blips as I play everyday but considering my chances of survival drop close to null if I even step into a hotspot and try to explore I think it's going to be a problem if the trend continues of babies and subadults being useless
Rex is a special case obviously

Like besides rex i can't think of any other dinosaur that isn't a worse version of their adult form

So you're pretty much just encouraged to hide and wait out the fodder hours. Otherwise I wouldn't have a problem with long growth

[urban flax]

@fast terrace That is precisely the system they have right now

[fast terrace]

the suggestion is also acting as a request to recruit another batch

i know things arent as simple as i think they are, but it would be nice if we could just have a small increase in official server admins

• they are aware of the problem so they might already be working on it, but its nice to make sure

[true hazel]

Personally I would prefer it take a long time to grow something like a rex. I dont wanna login to a server after work and see nothing but fg rexs, because people want to be able to grow an apex predator in an hour ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gleaming garden]

they have said that they might be editing the way creatures grow
itll be more of after a little they bulk up massively and then slow down, so its no longer a linear growth

[limber hull]

this too, it prevents the ecosystem from being oversaturated with apexes

back in legacy, the time wasn't that big a deal and growth was very low maintenance, so you ended up with TONS of apex creatures roaming

in EVRIMA, well, I think there's still a few issues with how easy it ultimately is, but it feels more like a genuine achievement to reach adult as opposed to "i grew in an AI spawn zone for a couple of hours lol"

[hidden pilot]

agreed

[limber hull]

Pachy, galli, beipi come to mind.

Sub pachy is a speed demon, younger gallis have great stam and beipi has excellent breach height

[wintry cipher]

Subadult carno is faster than the adult im pretty sure

[junior nymph]

@lunar parcel the hordetest isnt bad. Its just the hackers

the hordetest content itself is great, probs the best performing hordetest since like gateway hordetest

[lunar parcel]

yes the content is great, but to access a hordetest you should have to submit a phone number or something like that. That way hackers might not be rampant

died to a hacker every life trying to grow a rex

[junior nymph]

I mean

[hidden pilot]

seems like a bad solution to an issue they're already working to fix

[junior nymph]

we have never had this issue this bad, the reason is because of all the hackers in legacy have been waiting for rex and now rex is here so they all flock to the hordetest.

[hidden pilot]

That's a good theory actually

[lunar parcel]

but using easy anti cheat, its so so bad

[junior nymph]

what about easy anticheat?

I mean if they use it correctly it can be decent, they used to use battleye back on legacy in 2015 so

[near hedge]

i just waited more than 60 min in eu4 queue just to get kicked out immediately. i have to wait again....

[snow spade]

does rex have an ambush ability?

[stone minnow]

At 50% growth you press spacebar

[snow spade]

just space?

[stone minnow]

Yes. It last for a little then a cool down for like 3 mins

[snow spade]

do u have to be crouched?

[stone minnow]

No

[snow spade]

so press space and run?

[stone minnow]

Yes

[snow spade]

ok ty

[frozen heron]

Phone numbers can be spoofed

[loud sierra]

I see no way that including a list of players phone numbers would further incentivise hacking, or any way hackers could maliciously use the information they could very easily access. Great idea!

[frozen heron]

@coarse sail They arent nictitating membranes, the eyes are just sitting wrong. The blink is horizontal for a lot of animals

No idea why it hasn't been fixed because i've seen Bryan specifically say he makes sure to keep the eye upright

Probably a different process

[frozen heron]

Yeah i'm aware of legacy's apex problem, and of course i don't want that to happen here
But the short growth wasn't the only issue, you were basically handfed food and there were no other systems in place for a dynamic growth rate, like our current diet system.
However there is surely a better way to go about it than stacking hours on hours. If they actually go through with the baby sauropod safe haven they described in the devblog i might not be too against it, otherwise it's gonna be another trike type situation

[frozen heron]

It's a shame that these are the only few though.

[coarse sail]

oooh i see, well thats rather strange, this whole time i thought they were nictating membranes but they were just sideways eyelids, i probably shouldve figured that out sooner lol

[loud sierra]

Deino. Ptrea is the only dino that, in my experience, suffers from a static gameplay loop throughout all stages of growth (with upcoming changes in devblog hopefully addressing this).

[frozen heron]

In what department is baby deino better than adult deino

[loud sierra]

I thought the criteria was 'different'. But here are a few: navigating on land, hiding, scavenging

[frozen heron]

Nope, the reply was in context to dinosaurs that aren't just fodder before reaching adult

I'd argue deino is worse now that they nerfed its speed and agility during younger stages. Played as a baby deino 2 weeks ago, the experience was awful compared to my experience 2 years ago

[loud sierra]

Any dino is fodder depending on how they're played, regardless of size?

[frozen heron]

Not really. Adults are fully integrated into the ecosystem. An adult dibble will have an easier time against 3 omnis than a sub

And there are notable exceptions like rex

[loud sierra]

Rex is just ridiculously overtuned throughout all growth stages on account of obvious favouritism though.

[loud sierra]

But 3 omnis will have a harder time finding a sub-adult dibble than a full adult.

[frozen heron]

Good point but it is getting nerfed

However its versatility throughout its ontogeny will remain

[frozen heron]

Yes, because the current system encourages that

Subadult dibble has a little bit more speed and thats it. Its agility is laughable in HT atm

My entire point previously was to encourage juveniles and subs to go out instead of sitting in one spot so that eventually growing large things like camara would be worth the time

But if they stay fodder majority of their lives it won't happen

Elder system attempted to mediate this but it's hilariously easy to become prime without ever engaging in hotspots

[loud sierra]

I see. Was it you who mentioned a 'camara juvi safezone' from a devblog? Would that be like a volcanic field that adult camaras travese to lay their eggs?

[frozen heron]

Yep, was me
They didn't really go into detail about it, but this it

[loud sierra]

Thank you. Do you think the addition of extreme weather events would help alleviate the problem of afk growing in a bush until adult?

[indigo gulch]

I mean Elder still has issues to be fair, even when not afk growing

[frozen heron]

Most likely, they did want to add droughts and floods

I'm not sure how good tornadoes and wildfires will be when it comes to performance

But it will push people to move yeah

[loud sierra]

please no, my computer can barely handle swamp

[frozen heron]

Yeah it's pretty flawed.

[frozen heron]

@quaint pecan Nope you have to go find the nearest cliff to jump off of

Or drown

[quaint pecan]

ima kms i cant broooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

the hell is Eknontrum lmao

[glass lion]

Eknontrum Endurance is a specific name given specific meaning in reference to The Isle game. Animals with this mutation are resilient creatures. An example could be of a triceratopsian not getting knocked down when a larger species tries to do so after they have already been knocked down before.

[wintry cipher]

Chance based muts are not ideal, esp since theyre not consistent. Reducing the duration by a set % would be much easier to balance if added.

[limber hull]

chance based mechanics in general are just bad (looking at you, bucking)

[glass lion]

Possible exceptions could be made for balance purposes: when weight exceeds an enormous amount - the mutation switches to reduction of animation time. This means faster getting back up.

[wintry cipher]

Would be better to just tweaking it to be an increased stam drain on your opponent; maybe at a rate of 2x the cost of bucking so its actually worth it

[limber citrus]

Don't think it's a good idea to say something like that in here

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

This is a cool idea, rather unique. It's not often that a game has mechanics that impair your ability to determine you playables status.

Troodon however already has stuff going on with its venom.

Not saying don't do it, the idea is awesome, but maybe a future venomous beast will have it.

[dusky swift]

Thanks.

I honestly don't see any real reason why Troodon needs a visual obstruction for its venom like what he has now.

It's the smallest hunter, so it doesn't need to hide any more.
Grass and bushes are enough

When a pack attacks prey it is constantly attacking

It will then no longer hide.

It is under time pressure because the venom quickly loses its effect.

[loud sierra]

#general-feedback message Just remove dibble a.i. entirely, only serves to detract from the game.

[limber hull]

so true

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message this would be great if they remove the fog from its venom

[urban flax]

So it's made up

[limber hull]

lol yea lmao

idk if he realises that all the names are based on real scientific terminology (albeit sometimes not used in the most accurate ways)

[junior nymph]

I almost feel bad for him as all his suggestions just suck

[proven river]

And they're much cooler for it. For example, I get that hypalgesia is (irl) technically just reduced sensitivity to pain, and congenital just means 'from birth' but 'congenital hypalgesia' is so cool of a name compared to any made-up terminology, and a path could be reasoned / logicked to its purpose in game in a way

[limber hull]

even the strains are based on science

"hyperendocrin"
hyper for fast/overactive
endocrin referring to the endocrine system which moderates things like hormones, particluarly growth and metabolism

[proven river]

And that is so cool

If I had to guess, Tissoplastic too would be like
Tisso aka Tissue?
Plastic aka... like morphable?
And I think tissoplastic's whole thing was changing colour/camouflage?

[limber hull]

yes, tissoplastic is effectively "morphable tissue" and is apparently capable of regrowing limbs

also, yea, it was intended to be a stealth/camo strain, we just don't know too much about it

[proven river]

Oh that's cool, amphibian vibes almost. I always liked the... I guess general design philosophy or concept of tissoplastic things. I wonder if they'll (strains) ever actually become a thing.

If I had to assume, those two mutation slots on the top right and bottom left might have something to do with strains?

Since you're knowledgeable about this, what was the initial intended 'gimick' of the neurotenic strain? I don't really know what they could implement in-game to make things have 'super-intelligence' I guess other than intra-species communication?

[limber hull]

it could do stuff like EMPs, fog your vision and change the weather (idk if that was spino exclusive or something tho)

from what i've heard and seen, each strain will likely be specialised in hunting a specific faction

hyperendocrin hunts dinos because they have a harder time hiding from them and have no real attacks that can hurt the hyperendocrin, and they are worth the time of the hyper because more food than itty bitty humans

neurotenics hunt gen 2s because gen 2s rely on tech and weaponry, stuff neuros can just... shut off

tissoplastics hunt gen 1s as gen 1s don't have the power or tech of the other two factions to either overpower or detect them before they get hunted

this is just my theory btw i have no idea if this is actually what the goal was but it'd be cool if true

[proven river]

That would be cool if true

Awesome, thanks!

I recall a concept of the 'gen 1s' being these eyeless humanoid things with freaky claws, do you know if that's still accurate or an old thing?

[limber hull]

mhm, they're "failed" humans

8 foot tall behemoths with a love for climbing

[proven river]

:O

Awesome!
Welp, this has been enough of a spark for my lore-journey to begin, I shall go do some research

[urban flax]

That's not what I call a failure

[noble verge]

anyknow know to get prime elder you need to get perfect diet once trough your lifetime or have it at the 75% ?

[true hazel]

just getting it once should be enough

[limpid bear]

r u a bot lol

[junior nymph]

I dont understand whats bad about it

[old idol]

Also I would like to know why you disagree with making venom stages more colorblind accessible

[chilly ermine]

@rotund hazel @fiery ivy #general-feedback message
thoughts

[limpid bear]

theyre just taking things that yotubers have said and putting them in a general feedback idk

[junior nymph]

I mean

[limpid bear]

also i just disagree with thme on some

so ig its just my opinion

[junior nymph]

it is just a UCJ take I know that

but I also like somewhat how the game is doing

[limpid bear]

yeah they prolly just watched his vid and took all the stuff lol

[limpid bear]

same tbh

god na1s ping is insanely bad

[old idol]

I would genuinely like to know why people are against this idea

[limpid bear]

because theyre really easy to differentiate and im color blind so that says smth

theres 66 players on na1 due to how bad the ping is lol

[junior nymph]

i literally got disconnected lol

[limpid bear]

for na1?

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

@maiden anvil that is what the claw is used for but its also just the better attack overall against omnis, troodons, etc- basically small fast stuff that can land a pounce on you from behind vs the front which will force them to parry or get knocked down. Its also the end combo into a knockdown, tail > kick > claw to stack the most bleed you can before they get away

Claw is used for bleeding, so you're kind of just making one long request to ask for buffed bleed dmg on it lol

[junior nymph]

yep

[rotund hazel]

Eh, honestly at this point I don't play officials outside of horde test anymore because of the hacking problem.
But in general, I prefer to just play the game. Even if the developers lifted the NDA they place on their admin team to prevent name and shame behavior, I'd much rather just play the game for fun and make content from that than be asked to pop from server to server banning hackers.
Maybe other ccs would be interested, but after running my own unofficial server for a few months, dealing with reports already takes away from my free gaming/recording time enough on a weekly basis. I can only imagine how much more dramatic the time vacuum would be on officials where there's like 30 servers

[queen ember]

Nothing could possibly go wrong

[maiden anvil]

I feel like a fool now lol

[chilly ermine]

It’s already going wrong

[chilly ermine]

Fair assessment. I echo the sentiments in that first sentence. Unfortunately if this continues it might lead to the slow death of Evrima. Maybe the team should publish their own hacker banning videos and use the money for development…

[wintry cipher]

More you probably didnt know that tactic but i hope that helps!

Esp since you can 180 with the claw

[chilly ermine]

You have a server… 👀 name?

[junior nymph]

its mettas den

[chilly ermine]

👍🏼 thx, I’m all about supporting the unofficials these days

[rotund hazel]

Yup, it's pretty quiet currently due to horde test, but it's a sanctuary from the hackers while remaining pretty chill for those of us who prefer officials because many rules are annoying

[maiden anvil]

Thanks for informing me! I wonder why people don’t use it more often