general-feedback-discussion

[wooden agate]

and how would you like them to achieve that

because frankly engine upgrades are more important than playables or mechanics

having the actual backend structure of the game function better holds priority over rex/future playables

[urban flax]

Echoes of Extinction looks okay
But it is quite literally an Isle Clone
It may be as good at best

[narrow dock]

How long does it take to grow a raptor?

[wooden agate]

around 1hr35min with 100% diet iirc

maybe closer to 40

[narrow dock]

Ok thanks

What about a carno ?

[full pewter]

I agree, maybe increasing the team behind it, idk you sound like you know this better, what can be done?

[narrow dock]

Should I use carno if im kinda new to the game and if not then which Dino should I use???

[full pewter]

About 2.5hrs with good diet iirc

[narrow dock]

Ok

[full pewter]

Carno isn’t a bad choice for a starter, it’s fast and easy to survive as overall. But you’re also very squishy, so if you wanna play it safe it’s best to go after small players and AI

[narrow dock]

Ok thanks

[thorn axle]

DISABLE SPAWN CODES UNTIL YOU FIX THEM SO YOU STOP LEAVING YOUR PLAYER BASE IN AN UNPLAYBLE STATE 👏

[wooden agate]

what does this even mean

spawncodes have worked consistently for me unless the server im on has disabled them

such as petit pieds

[edgy flax]

what

[wooden agate]

you can disable spawn codes in server settings

also i see now what he meant
yarg that does sound pretty annoying

[thorn axle]

Official servers and plenty of people are stuck floating unable to die.

[wooden agate]

id expect it to be patched in the next update

[edgy flax]

https://tenor.com/view/suuuure-sure-alright-if-you-say-so-dont-believe-gif-13801176

[wooden agate]

do you think a bug that makes a server unusable would not be a top priority for the next patch

doomerism is funny and all but atleast be sensible lol

[edgy flax]

i just need to say ai

hasnt worked for months

[wooden agate]

why are you comparing ai to something that

literally makes the server unplayable

there is clearly a more severe bug in this comparison lol

[edgy flax]

like?

[wooden agate]

.... the server being unplayable to those who get stuck

[edgy flax]

/unstuck

[wooden agate]

does not work

for those stuck via spawncodes

nor can they die of hunger/thirst

[edgy flax]

proof where

dont talk to me im ragebaiting u

[thorn axle]

Sensible is managing issue, taking care of your player base and then preventing an issue from reoccuring on the next patch. Not waiting for the next patch to fix it and leave everyone blind for however many months it takes them. I've been playing this game for years. We only see these "patches" like 3 times a year.

[edgy flax]

ok but i agree

[wooden agate]

theyre in the middle of an engine upgrade. even if they wanted to fix it right now, they likely couldnt push a fix to the live branch just for that

and frankly 'patches 3 times a year' is just objectively wrong

[shadow flame]

Yutyrannus > Trex

[thorn axle]

Oh my bad 4 patches a year

[gentle lichen]

this!

[thorn axle]

and a total of like 6 dinos in 3 years.

If someone in charge would at least say something then I would give less of a damn but here we are. No contact, no info, so this is what it turns into.

[edgy flax]

doesnt this game have a community manager

[thorn axle]

Yep and I've message people asking for help with nothing.

[wooden agate]

in 2024 we had 8 evrima patches between 8/1 12/1

for a variety of bugs and other issues

alongside minor additions without the need of a HT

and thats just from me scrolling for 2 seconds lol

[edgy flax]

everything to prove a point😔

u know its true what benny said

[wooden agate]

if it was true then it would be shown wouldnt it

[thorn axle]

Doesn't really matter to me at this point. I've been playing and watching this development since 2020. I've seen how they handle this crap. Doesn't matter.

[wooden agate]

cool, time means nothing to me so idk why that matters but alright

if you cant wait for a patch to fix it, thats up to you i guess

[thorn axle]

What matters is them at least making an effort. If they say 1 thing to me and say they're working on it then I'll shut up. But no. nothing.

[edgy flax]

the dead silence is horrible i dont like it, they could atleast update us but nope

[wooden agate]

you're not owed anything though so im not sure why it matters

you specifically are not owed an explanation

you reported it via bug reports, that means theyre aware of it and QA will be on it sooner or later

[thorn axle]

I payed money for a game, I invested my time. I'm a part of he community. I've done the stress tests, I've done it all. Regardles of if I've done any of this or not, Me or any other player should not have to be left in the dark completely to wait for a dev blog post.

[edgy flax]

i like that some devs actually give some updates on stuff tho

[wooden agate]

none of that entitles you to a response from the developers specifically. they've given you the tools to report bugs, you know QA looks into every single bug reported, so like, what else do you want

[wooden agate]

kissen specifically can be a god send sometimes

[thorn axle]

I'll say it again then. ME or ANY player should not be left in the dark if we are in an unplayable state. Doesn't need to be over complicated bro.

Doesn't matter who we are, what we've done.

[wooden agate]

but youre not left in the dark. we have access to know exactly how they handle bug reports.

you just feel entitled to a personalized response from the developers that you are not going to get

youve done all you can do. you've reported the bug and dm'd punchpacket about it.

like idk what else to tell you lol

[thorn axle]

I could give less a damn who contacts me, devs, mods, admins, dont care. But someone should say "hey, we see your in an unplayable state and we apologize we are working on this"

Not that hard.

[noble wedge]

@thorn axle - hey dude just a thought, have you thought of maybe asking someone to kill you to respawn?

[thorn axle]

Yes Midge.

[noble wedge]

i guess there's always other servers then in the mean time

[thorn axle]

Yeah Guess so.

[noble wedge]

i got lucky on my deino and they were happy to eat me lol

[thorn axle]

I'm literally spawned under the map.

[noble wedge]

i seen a mod in server on legacy respond in chat and sort something similar

but i guess the lack of global chat is stopping that in evrima

[severe oak]

tried /unstuck? sorry if this is useless, just trying to help

[thorn axle]

I'm not getting back into this.

No offense.

I'm not posting here from help from players, I'm posting here to get literally anything done by The Isle team as that's the only people who can help me per the moderation team. But I've gotten no help so whatever.

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
What kind of take is this even

[indigo gulch]

*ragebait

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/who-pinged-me-ping-discord-up-opening-door-gif-20065356

[gusty flax]

@hardy vine #general-feedback message how would you ban it?

Quite difficult unless u mean literally banning players for mixpacking but that would come with complications

[hardy vine]

@gusty flax We could have an admin on each server actively monitoring for mixpacking. If a player is killed by a mixpack, they could immediately contact the admin and provide details, including which dinosaurs were involved, their location, and, if possible, their colors. The admin could then investigate, locate the offenders, and issue a ban if the report is confirmed

[limber hull]

id rather admins just focus on cheaters tbh

because that sounds like an absolute nightmare

[old idol]

@maiden anvil This is actually quite possible for the real Theri as other Sauriscian herbivores like Gallimimus or Deinocheirus are generally accepted to be omniverous. Although Theri itself isnt an ornithomimid theres nothing to suggest it couldn't have had the ability to eat meat.

[maiden anvil]

Another thing I forgot to add was how we have no pseado apex omnivore planned and Therizino would suit that roll perfectly. Besides, Bepi is omnivore and I think it belongs to the same family

[narrow dock]

R the servers restarting?

Cause I can’t see any servers it’s just scanning for frequencies

???

Hello?

[desert arch]

yes, give them 10-15 mins and theyll be back

Its just daily maintenance, dw

[wintry whale]

@radiant latch The application to help out be a admin/moderator is always open in https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401465366615949322, we're always on the lookout for more qualified recruits.

[formal relic]

The actual fix is for you to play on unofficial servers where those types of rules exist 🙂

[limpid bear]

Why everyone hating on Kentro to not being able to be pounced it’s such a good idea y’all r prob just omni mains

[radiant latch]

Those are for discord moderators, it says nothing about game admins

[wintry whale]

You work your way up the chain, you need to be a discord moderator before you're an admin

[radiant latch]

We need in game admins desperately

[wintry whale]

Agreed, get more good people to apply so we can get them sooner

[radiant latch]

Working your way up the chain doesn't sound like a timely remedy

[wintry whale]

It's not, but thats the proper process

[radiant latch]

Proper process means nothing to hackers and the community getting terrorized by them. Having a more direct application process to help deal with reports would be more efficient and help community members feel more at ease instead of waiting for discord moderators to get promoted to actually be able to help out.

[urban flax]

And allow people to do more harm than good to the game

Admins need to be trustable

[radiant latch]

That's why there is an application process

[vital laurel]

@late flame calls are supposed to make you more and more hoarse or whatever it is called but it’s been broken for ages

[late flame]

classic

[urban flax]

Trust comes from experience

[radiant latch]

How long does it take being a discord moderator to know if someone would actually be trustworthy in game? We need people to deal with hackers not determine who lives and who dies.

[urban flax]

I don't know how long it takes, I'm not in charge of that
But Rumple got from whitename to discord mod to server admin pretty quickly

The issue is making people admins gives them a lot of power over the game
And if you don't know how much damage they can cause, just look up community servers

[radiant latch]

It's nothing that requires extensive research but the question is how much does moderating discord equate to that level of trust because those are very different levels of authority.

[wind mesa]

I got told that my moderator application will take several months before someone even looks at it. The process of getting to server admin isn't quite the issue.

[radiant latch]

Then perhaps we need to figure out who looks at the applications and what the approval process is and try to make it more efficient by either adding more people to it or dedicating some time to it.

[gusty flax]

how would you tell the rules? if a player comes on they just see the game and servers, even if we did they might not even know what it means, only way they could do it is to implent a system where u lose health or something, but banning is a stretch, if you dont like it u could alwaysjust play unoffi

[wintry whale]

I would rather retire than have to deal with mixpackers, I'm gonna be so real

[faint folio]

Ngl admins shouldn't have to deal with mixpacking because it's not against the rules of official servers and because it seems VERY subjective. Id rather y'all focus on nuking hackers, exploiters, and helping folks who got eaten by the map (in cases where /unstuck doesn't cut it)

And honestly the game should be designed either so mix packing doesn't destroy combat balance (see: Path of Titans) or so that gameplay itself keeps unfair combinations separated

[ornate pewter]

Fun note about night vision under water. Particularly during the day in the sea, you can see further with nightvision turned off.

[prime crag]

error please sameone can help

[grand delta]

please buff ptera stam nobody likes its current state it doesnt hunt anything other then babies anyway

[toxic wren]

#general-feedback message

Maia already has the jankiest, most awkward attacks in the game.

Unlike almost every other playable, most of its attacks lock it in place, not even allowing turning or walking.

It already can fight very few playables, and is mostly a meal on (admittedly very fast) wheels.

If you nerf its attacks more it will be even more of an easy fight to any fast mid tier with half a brain.

[limber hull]

Also hard cooldowns on attacks always feel janky as hell lol

Maia only just got fluid combat and people already want it gone lol

[devout pendant]

How do you do these kind of replies?

[limber hull]

Right click on the message and hit “copy message link”, then paste

[devout pendant]

I see, thanks a lot

[radiant latch]

@wintry whale is there something you can do on your end to see that applications get looked at and new mods are brought in so we could potentially have more admins in a somewhat near future?

[floral quest]

#general-feedback message

[pliant elm]

I questioned why Rex hadn't been released yet and my message was deleted from the general feedback lol

[icy lion]

#general-feedback isn't for questions

[pliant elm]

It was feedback and a question xd

They're not releasing something that's already ready and they're not saying anything about it

[indigo gulch]

well apparently it isn't ready otherwise it would have been here

[wooden agate]

they've literally said theyre waiting on the engine upgrade lol

"not saying anything about it" i need people here to be serious for 5 (five) seconds

[pliant elm]

The version from 6 months ago was already very complete, with only a few bugs with the crush and the lack of sounds. Unless they're planning to release allo at the same time

[wooden agate]

what looks complete and what is complete are two different things

i guess we'll also just ignore the complete lack of rex sparring

[pliant elm]

It was said on the devblog that they updated the engine at the beginning of the month

[wooden agate]

... you dont actually know what an engine upgrade is/does, do you

[pliant elm]

Of course. That's why I said they don't say anything about how it's going xd

[wooden agate]

engine updates are notorious for breaking things that are on the previous engine build. thats what happened to the old gateway map w/ the monorail

you have to go through and check/fix everything in the game to make sure its still functioning because theres no real way of telling how much it effected until you're actively in there fixing the fire

[pliant elm]

A post in the announcements would already be great and would solve this problem of lack of communication with the community, saying how it's going and what still needs to be done

[wooden agate]

but you dont need that information

you know rex is waiting on the engine upgrade to be complete, you know the engine update is actively being worked on

you're not entitled to anything more than that

you're not really entitled to that either but still

[pliant elm]

No? I play this game and I shouldn't have the right to know why it took so long to release something that's practically ready? Seriously xd

[wooden agate]

playing the game does not = having our little fingers in the development bowl

"i shouldnt have the right to know" you literally DO know! its the engine upgrade! you just dont like that you cant get all the gritty details you are not entitled to

[pliant elm]

A beta game in constant development but with terrible communication with the community, which is why there are so many posts complaining about in general feedback

[wooden agate]

whats funny is they have better communication than 99% of devs in active development lol

other than straight up crowdfunded/kickstarted games which do use the basis of constant community interaction as a start to their games lol

[pliant elm]

Well, I don't expect anything from The Isle anymore. With each update, more bugs arrive and it takes an inordinate amount of time to fix them. I've even lost the desire I had before, even though I liked the game

Wait for a hordtest to come out at least this month

[wooden agate]

you are literally right here arguing about your expectations to have an inner look into the developmental process

[indigo gulch]

Lost me at the 6 months version ngl😅

[indigo gulch]

This tbh. Why can’t you just wait for it come out? do something else in the mean time. It’s not like life’s on hold because it isn’t out yet

[round oyster]

The damage reduction buff from Ceratosaurus carcasses is excessively high. Shouldn't it be nerfed? Additionally, I suggest allowing Troodons and Pteranodons to consume bones and rotten meat to better align with their ecological niches.

I think it's very strong as well, but to me it is not too strong given that it is very situational and cannot be triggered on demand.

[slim hazel]

I actually hate the isle Carno

[wooden agate]

i hate the isle deino

so i dont play deino

[floral quest]

#general-feedback message
everyone «X»-ing this one thinks spamcalling is peak comedy💔💔

@summer olive they are aiming for realism, it just not gonna be spot on
realism does not necessarily mean everything that happens in real life

[astral blaze]

Is the engine update what's causing client side servers to not be up rn?

[muted verge]

Hola

[wooden agate]

no, thats EOS

@astral blaze

[astral blaze]

Either way I wanna play dinos and it sucks

[astral blaze]

What is EOS?

[north gale]

how i can fix the infinit scan

[grim slate]

servers are all down rn vito

[north gale]

but i cant find unofficail too

[formal relic]

how does every server just go down lmao. unless they're shadow releasing Rex and Allo this is just a dumb failure by the Devs

[north gale]

and some peole play actually xD

[icy lion]

The Epic Online Services are down, servers will likely not be visible until Epic resolves the issue https://status.epicgames.com/

[icy lion]

It has nothing to do with the developers

[formal relic]

maybe they should choose a better server host 🤷‍♂️

[north gale]

im on steam but ok need wait

[astral blaze]

but all these other epic servers are just fine

[narrow dock]

Are the servers restarting???

[icy lion]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[narrow dock]

It’s not showing me any servers

[grim slate]

yes cuz there all down right now

[narrow dock]

When will they be back up

[grim slate]

https://status.epicgames.com/ i have no idea the server hosts are having issues

[wooden agate]

it would have taken 2 seconds to scroll slightly further to see that epic online services is experiencing an outage in sessions

[astral blaze]

I did see it, But I didn't know what EOS meant hence is why I asked so, you could have just answered nicely and not in a rude way implying i'm too stupid to read. It was kinda confusing to see everything else say operational and to not know the acronym.

[junior nymph]

@minor sentinel im guessing they arent fixing anything due to them not wanting to update a older engine

[minor sentinel]

yea

[indigo gulch]

No, but you’re not supposed to be able to to. It’s supposed to stop after a bit cuse your voice gets hoarse.

[floral quest]

doesn’t help

[devout pendant]

#general-feedback message

It's a tropical island, it should rain even more. No really, rain and thunderstorms are neat

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message realistically yeah you’re right but that isn’t the goal of the game. maia having relatively low damage and cc thresholds on most of its attacks is a balancing factor to make up for the fact that it has 4K in health and is faster than an omni

[limpid bear]

If we don’t get 5 playable before next year (after the engine upgrade) I’m gonna explode everywhere

[urban flax]

Cool, make sure to record it and send me a video

[limpid bear]

Sounds good

[rose finch]

A mating call that could be heard from further away by the opposite gender of your species would be sick

I dont wanna write a suggestion i just felt like saying that

[limpid bear]

I agree

[junior nymph]

@upper lagoon im guessing alot of the bugs are going to get fixed in the HT

they probs just dont want to work on a older engine version cause that can lead to other stuff breaking

[upper lagoon]

@junior nymph we‘llsee.

[junior nymph]

why ping and reply to me 🙁 but thats usually what happens

[desert arch]

@thick heart type /unstuck in chat

[thick heart]

k thanks

[astral blaze]

Mmh, so people complain but yet you don't wanna see the devs take action that could fix the issues? Seems a bit contradictory to me 👀🤌

[wooden agate]

this is not a kickstarter/crowdfunded game

the community doesnt really have a say on what gets worked on, and when

[astral blaze]

Then there should be no feed back section, we all paid for a game that is still in beta after 10 years. If we don't get a say then its stupid to even allow us to speak so your wrong by a long shot. Take your bad attitude elsewhere.

[wooden agate]

its not a bad attitude, its literally what the devs say lol

[astral blaze]

God no wonder there's so much toxicity here

[wooden agate]

i can pull up their take on the feedback channel as well if you're unaware of that

[astral blaze]

Why even have it then? Did they not make this discord???

[wooden agate]

#isle-discussion message <- seperate message going into further detail about community feedback

[astral blaze]

It's literally wrong to have a feedback section that will never be acknowledged and they will literally upset people to the point of no return. At some point this will end up running the game and community into the ground. I know me and several other people have made polite respectful requests that have been ignored for months and years. So no they don't take player feedback into account, they don't keep deadlines,they use vague language in updates to keep people on edge with false hope of one day something might finally happen. There are other dinosaur games and any game developer who wants a successful game and want to be continued to be supported by their community will care enough to make changes that are needed for core gameplay. I never said they had to do demands but when cheaters, lack of proper ai, lack of functioning base features that were advertised to us to get us to buy the game are not working then yeah alot of people will get frustrated. To play act as though thats what is happening is false.

I also see they don't want people calling out certain behaviors by blocking non offensive words so it can't be discussed.

[icy lion]

We block swears and slurs

[astral blaze]

I didn't swear or slur and I have the screen cap of my original message, the word I used was to describe how one would twist a situation to their benefit and was specifically added but it is not a swear or slur.

[urban flax]

Many times in this game's history feedback has been taken into account
What more do you want ? A credits section where they write the name of everyone who suggested something that has then been put into the game ? What is this, a popularity contest ? And what if 500 people copy-pasted the same idea ? What if the devs already had that idea before it was even posted ?

The feedback channel is for feedback. It's not a place for community polls, it's not an idea marketplace, it's not an echo chamber.

It's for devs to look at whenever they're need extra input or opinions over a change.

Truth is, 90% of what's posted in here is completely worthless as feedback.

[wooden agate]

he left but its so odd to say 'will never be acknowledged' despite there being dev messages in #general-feedback saying its looked at lol

[devout pendant]

#general-feedback message

Cannibalism shouldn't ever be diet imho

It just promotes toxic behaviour

[urban flax]

It's only toxic behavior if you assume everyone of your species is your friend

[devout pendant]

If your very species isn't your fiend then wha

[urban flax]

Nobody is automatically a friend, cannibal or not
Choosing wisely who to trust is part of any multiplayer game
In fact, it's part of any social interaction

[devout pendant]

The second I see someone unless they charge at me from the getgo I spam 2 and lie besides them

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @vagrant dune dibble already has exceptional bleed damage, if carnos weight were to be increased, it would need a lot of adjustments not a simple nerf to the charge. herreras bleed is fine, it primarily relies on the damage so nerfing that just to increase something that’s already decent seems pointless to me

[wooden agate]

ngl the idea of a 'finisher' animation where animals 1 shot by it fall to the ground struggling to deal with how much blood is leaving their body would be kinda peak

[amber mango]

been olaying for about 2 weeks now, total of 50 hours. i usually play dinos at the bottom of the food chain, namely ptera and beipi... so when theres no AI all day(literally 5 hours today, its my day off) in a "high AI" server, but in previous days theres a TON, and no inbetween? that makes for gameplay where you do a whole lot of running with/for nothing. if i scan a beach as a baby ptera and cant find a crab or a corse, im just dead lol. and thats after 15 mins of scanning, just for nothing.

people just kill their dinos for better spawns cause its either food desert or you get lucky and spawn with the people, and by proxy, AI. You arent rewarded for foraging your own way.

and in a game about surviving on an island and living in it as best you can, that sucks.

[limber citrus]

Ai spawns around you, stand still for a bit and listen for audio queues

[amber mango]

i appreciate the tip, but i just want it known that this is what i mean by not being rewarded for playing the game your own way. is a person playing ptera who doesnt know that gonna sit still or fly around looking for things? i shouldnt be maniulating spawns to survive.

but thanks, maybe i can at least survive more consistently now

[limber citrus]

Ppl are supposed to learn from their mistakes in this game. Youre supposed to die and learn, but I see Your point

[amber mango]

yours too, def on the learning curve big time atm still

[merry ore]

"The sharing of information between game devs and their communities is still an extremely new concept."

New???? LMAO

[silk totem]

we beed a way to k y s instead of manually drowning/jumping off cliff

[junior nymph]

no

that would be stupidly abusable

[silk totem]

how tf would that be abusable 💀 you literally start off as a baby again

[gray thorn]

i assume he means that you can body drop and just spawn in and eat yourself and id assume it would cause lag

[junior nymph]

it would cause many things

[silk totem]

so were gonna ignore the fact they can do other things to counteract that... so instead of making the game easier to play... lets just argue simple quality of life features

like what 🤦

[junior nymph]

its just not needed

[silk totem]

youre too dense to speak with goodbye

[junior nymph]

someone doesnt agree = too dense yes.

sorry for not allowing people to reroll for south mb

[silk totem]

youve clearly got no experience in making your customers happy so yeah im done with this conversation... who in their right mind doesnt want quality of life....

onceeee againnnn theres wayyys they can counterrracctttt thattt buddy

[junior nymph]

tell me

a cooldown?

[silk totem]

maybe making it so you dont respawn in the same place over and over again.... suicide doesnt make bodies drop.... etc....

[junior nymph]

what?

if you dont spawn in the same spot you will just get south or whatever spot you want

and making corpses not drop can lead to other stuff

[silk totem]

okay then as you said.. a cooldown

oml nothing makes you happy huh

[junior nymph]

again cooldowns wouldnt help

[silk totem]

you had a good childhood?

[junior nymph]

yes cause I have enough experience in this game to realise what a suicide button would do

and its nothing good for the game

if you want to die keep using cliffs

[silk totem]

rust. sucide button. what wrong does that cause?

[junior nymph]

different game

a suicide button would contradict the reason for random spawns in the first place

[silk totem]

different game exact same idea lmfao... this server is such bs. I cant even say 💩

both have random respawns

[junior nymph]

huh?

[silk totem]

and whats the point of respawning over and over when it takes not even 10-15 mins to walk across map...

[junior nymph]

then whats the point of a suicide button?

if you can walk place to place in 10-15 minutes whats the point?

[silk totem]

so the game isnt based on luck... ive suicided literally 9 times now and havent gotten a single animal, corpse. Nothing.

never was about where I spawn its about being able to RESPAWN when I want to.

[junior nymph]

Thats not what people are going to use it for.

[silk totem]

have you ever designed a game? or coded?

ran a business? or even sold a product to someone?

[junior nymph]

nope never said I did

I dont get how its relevant though.

but I have sold stuff!

[silk totem]

getting an idea of your knowledge. chillaz partner

ANYTHING you put in a game WILL eventually be abused... hense the reason we make fallbacks and counters...

[junior nymph]

so what counter would you add?

[silk totem]

just bc someones going to abuse it doesnt mean it wont make the game 1000000X more enjoyable. I dont get off work to run off cliffs over and over again.

dude i dont know jesus christ I cant look at the game code

ive given you ideas but nothing is good enough for you

[junior nymph]

no because I just dont see it as a good idea

[silk totem]

ok 🤦 go make a game rq and come back and speak with me

[junior nymph]

why?

[silk totem]

because not everything is about being a good idea or not being abused... its about making the game more enjoyable for the millionth time...

[urban flax]

If you want a suicide button so much then adding one in the server select screen would be much better and not cause issue

[junior nymph]

why fall back on saying stuff like "go make a game" or "you must have had a fun childhood"

[silk totem]

explain

[junior nymph]

before you load in you can click a button that will delete your dino

[silk totem]

go make a game so you can get the mindset and the second because youre like talking to a wall...

[urban flax]

In-game you have no reason to ever want to die (unstuck exists) unless you're too lazy to travel or want to metagame the spawns

[silk totem]

onceeeee againnnn NOT ABOUT WHERTE I SPAWN

[junior nymph]

but people will use it for that. thats the issue

[silk totem]

and theres not a million ways to counteract that right...

[urban flax]

In the server select screen, you have "join" and "favorite" buttons
Add a third one named "terminate asset" which deletes your dino's data on the server (only available if safelogged)

Boom
Suicide button
No issues

[silk totem]

im not relogging into my server again... I just got off work and im not trying to sit here and sucicde over and over and over and over.

waste of time, energy, and resources.

guess what would fix all of that

[urban flax]

If a "fix" creates more issues than it solves, then it's not a fix

[silk totem]

ill ask this again. have you ever created or designed a game.

bc if so what the actual hell are you talking about

[urban flax]

I have

[silk totem]

everything you do to a game is going to be abused.

doesnt matter if its a "fix" theres ALWAYS someone.

its about quality of life features .

[urban flax]

That's not a reason to add things that you know full well will lead to more abuse than improvements

[silk totem]

and they can counteract that 😂 but knowing isle devs they wouldnt

[urban flax]

What about trying to play ou with the spawn you got instead, as intented ?

[urban flax]

How so ?

[silk totem]

am i speaking with the same person I just was

[urban flax]

No

[silk totem]

cus yall are both brick walls... Ive starved to death too many times to count because i spawn in butt f no where, with no corpses, no dinos, no npcs.

[urban flax]

If the issue is some parts of the map being impossible to live in, then a suicide button is not the solution

That's literally avoiding the problem

[merry ore]

then add manual spawns

[silk totem]

i deadass just spawned under the map... am i supposed to relog and deleted my dino, sit in the queue again, just to play a game...

[junior nymph]

nonononononoonno

[silk totem]

they had that and everyone spawned on one side of the map

[urban flax]

(And adding a suicide button is basically enabling that again)

[merry ore]

Just discovered terrible map design and lack of content? First time?

[silk totem]

this guy didnt read any of the previous convos

[silk totem]

no... itll still be random spawns lol

[merry ore]

The map design is terrible and the lack of content in PVE gameplay is extremely noticeable, this game is 90% PvP and 10% survival, guess why? Lack of content and bad map design

[silk totem]

i wasnt denying moron... you just clearly didnt read anything ive just said

[urban flax]

But with people resetting until they spawn south plains
The same thing, just with more corpses littered around

[merry ore]

There is no walking map loop in this game.

[silk totem]

map design isnt bad they just make it impossible to survive unless youre in a hotspot

[merry ore]

WELL WELL... BAD MAP DESIGN SIR....

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-smile-anime-gif-1312780854738356496

[silk totem]

more like lack of content as you said before

lack of pve and npcs in general

[merry ore]

The map continues to have a terrible design.
Tell me the logic behind creating a comically large map with randomly intersecting environments, while 90% of its entire area remains dead because players don't want to risk their lives in areas with a clear tendency to be dead zones or areas with 0% player interaction?

The map is inconsistent and purposeless. The only two environments in this game with great design are the Northeast Plains and the Jungle Sector.

[silk totem]

eh good point but it wouldnt be as bad if you could at least survive off npcs in the bad areas.

[merry ore]

The trees in this game are also a problem, they are ignored 90% of the time and are mentally considered bad because they prevent a player from seeing another, so he looks for open areas, the environment of this game is generally incompatible with the playables

[urban flax]

(he believes spiro was a good map)

[silk totem]

the isle maps have always sucked

[urban flax]

Gateway is good

[merry ore]

The game environment should make sense with what we play

oh wrong msg

[urban flax]

Idk why are some people hating on it

[merry ore]

Good in?

What purpose exactly? It literally has the same problems as Spiro, with the only difference being that a river doesn't connect the entire map.

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-smile-anime-gif-1312780854738356496

[urban flax]

In the fact you have different environments adapted for different niches
Easily recognizable biomes and POIs, allowing you to know where you are at a glance
Lots of paths to travel around easily, yet you still can go off the pathes and travel through the jungle

Some chokepoints that force player interaction organically

[merry ore]

Also, Spiro wasn't a mess, it was consistent in map design without much confusion, but it needed numerous improvements to be better.

[urban flax]

Spiro was absolutely a mess

Spiro was :
1 plain
1 river
1 swamp
A lot of hidden cliffs
Dead space

Spiro was far from being the smallest map in Isle history
Yet many people believe it was because of how it had so few playable space

[junior nymph]

this was kinda where people went p much

[urban flax]

This isn't the final version of the map

[junior nymph]

it is

[merry ore]

Funny you complain about dead space when Gateway has more of it.
Yeah, there was the cliff problem, but the map was still consistent and had its own design, compared to Gateway which seems to have just mixed everything into a single point and then has a new biome 10 meters ahead with an area the size of Texas.

[urban flax]

Gateway has much less dead space than spiro lol

[merry ore]

This reminds me of JP, whoever made the website to guide the map was probably inspired by this.

[urban flax]

What do you even mean by "mixed everything into a single point" ?
Is it wrong to have different environments in a game map ?

[junior nymph]

huh

[silk totem]

me and my friend just sat on a deer for 5 mins straight as troodons and its still alive...

[junior nymph]

lol

troodons dont do damage overtime

[silk totem]

bruh

[junior nymph]

its not like raptor

you have to pounce then get off pounce then get off

[silk totem]

that makes absolutely no sense... why does the animation sit there and bite... these devs need to find a new job

[merry ore]

All mixed up into one thing: A lot of effort put into adding thousands of types of comically large plants and trees, only to be simply ignored and turned into dead land because there are open fields.

Basically, the location has no function or difference between other areas of the map, it is generally futile, so players will only take advantage of the only advantage of this area: open field, constant player movement.

[junior nymph]

💀

it used to drain stam that was the idea for it

but they removed that due to a issue with pounce

[urban flax]

Which area are you talking about ?

[merry ore]

South Plains, Highlands, West rail and East Swamp.

[silk totem]

pounce has never worked right i swear

[junior nymph]

it was a stam thing that happened

[merry ore]

The Isle dev moment:

[silk totem]

troodon just isnt fun

unless youre 8 people deep

[urban flax]

But what you said doesn't apply to any of them
None of them are densely foliaged
Unless what you mean is people only go there (which isn't true) because of the absence of trees ?

If that was the case, what would be a better map then ? One without tree ?
If flatgrass the ultimate map to you ?

[merry ore]

Me when I decide to complicate stamina and bring a terrible balance where only medium and larger animals can hunt and have fun properly:

[junior nymph]

i have fun on troo

[urban flax]

Herrera, dilo, troodon and omni prove you wrong

[merry ore]

Troodon should be the only animal in the game with the ability to turn 360 degrees while running without losing speed, this is for its balance and gameplay.

[urban flax]

Small herbivores are fun too, although if your only notion of fun is hunting I can understand why you think they're terrible

[merry ore]

Herrera being a sedentary animal with a consumption of 0.00001% of stamina in absolutely anything:

[urban flax]

Funny how you isolated just one as if it would disprove the rest
And so what ? How is herrera's stam efficiency proof the stamina system is bad ?

[merry ore]

"Small herbivores are fun too."

The fun: Walking and dying in one bite, only Hypsi is good and Galli is average.

[merry ore]

Herrera proves that the stamina system is bad because the stamina of other playables is not well adapted to them.

[urban flax]

What's "bad" about it is the fact stamina regen uses hidden thresholds instead of visible ones or smooth curves
Makes it clunky and unintuitive
Otherwise its fine

[urban flax]

Skill issue

[urban flax]

It is tho
If you struggle with stamina as any playable, you're simply using it wrong

[merry ore]

What does this have to do with skill? Do you need skill to breathe?

Dryo's sole reason for existing is the ability to dig, and the eternity of this game's development hasn't even allowed for that.

[urban flax]

Yeah, use the unfinished dino as an example to why all the finished ones suck
Also dryo is viable even without burrowing and can survive just fine

[merry ore]

"Using it wrong"

The gameplay was literally designed this way, how are you using it wrong?

Are you going to tell me now that an Omni can easily kill a carnivore in a 1v1? The only good use of this stamina is for escape, either to rocks or trying to confuse the carnivore and then hide from it.

[merry ore]

We
literally
only have 2 small herbivores

Hypsi only recently started climbing, after what? 4-5 years?

There's a reason why Dryos and Hypsis are extinct in the game.

[urban flax]

It can if they're of similar size

[urban flax]

Hypsi has gained a lot of popularity now that it has climbing

[merry ore]

and yet it is extinct, not because it is not fun, but because the game environment is not adapted for it.

[urban flax]

Since you include galli as a herbivore, we can include it here
Same as beipi
Also teno can be considered on the smaller side compared to the rest of the full roster (especially compared to other herbivores)
Pachy also used to be very fun, before it was nerfed into uselessness

[woven bane]

climbing stamina is actually quite high, even slowly doing it costs

[urban flax]

Hypsi isn't extinct at all

Also what do you mean game environment isn't adapted for it

[merry ore]

Yes it is, join an official server and you won't see any.

Traverse the entire map

in multiple official severs

[urban flax]

I saw hypsis (or hypsi nests) everytime I joined an official server so far

[merry ore]

and when was that?

Because I've already entered several official svrs this week, playing Galli and Ptero and I haven't heard a single scream from Hypsi or any signal.

[silk totem]

yeah they hate anything to do with small dinos clearly. like dropping rex and trike when theres no medium dinos to combat them

i got a good spawn with my friend on dilo and this kid runs off a cliff

[urban flax]

Beginning of summer

[formal linden]

I play hypsi alot its fun

[wooden briar]

sorry, the wrong file was uploaded

[wooden briar]

@halcyon thicket i completely getcha. im trying to find a way to upload it without a file but cant

[tired quest]

just post screenshot instead

[wooden briar]

oh? ok

[icy bramble]

the cowards aren't ready for giant dryos

[urban flax]

These mutations are all horrible
They're worse than every current awful meta combat mutations combined

[limber hull]

ironically, they only serve to hurt the availible pool of mutations people pick

the only mutations anyone will be picking are those ones

[urban flax]

Straight up -20% damage taken from ALL sources ?
Makes congenital sound useless in comparison

[limber hull]

a permanent 20% damage reduction as opposed to the already powerful 15% damage reduction against specifically larger animals? its objectively so much better

also gigantism would basically be another mutation that makes pachy worthless because giant raptors instapin it

[wooden agate]

i like the inclusion of scent range stuff

we need some cool scent mutations i think. i wanna build sniffer cerato

and i also kinda like the "bleeding animals in scent range" thing. but id limit to moreso large blood pools in the area alongside making it second slot only

[urban flax]

Yeah but scenting live prey is cringe

If something is too OP to be implemented as a base mechanic, it has no purpose being a mutation

[wooden agate]

so you can smell blood pools like cerato can smell vomit basically

yeah no live prey would be bad. but leading you to the trail of the animal could be good

i want sniffer cerato dammit

a mutation that allows you to see how close a body is to rotting via sniffing...

[urban flax]

@vagrant dune Maia winning against dibble in a 1v1 ?
What a way to make everything smaller than 4 tons straight-up unviable

Actually if maia was that strong even stego would be under risk of extinction

[lucid mauve]

well on petits stegos are dying as flies to tenos

[urban flax]

Why on petits specifically ?

[lucid mauve]

Thats where i play, dont play any others atm.

[vagrant dune]

Maia is strong and has weight advantage that plays a part in the fight

[sweet mason]

speed.

grouping.

2 aspects maia can rely on a lot in certain situations.

maia is where it should be for now.

the mutations from @icy bramble are interesting, but I don't see the need for limiting dwarfism and gigantism to the larger and the smaller roster in that order, as there are many ways to balance, although I don't know if it is something that would be integrated nicely.
as for the others, I don't see the need, I can see starvation response, dwarfism and gigantism being added at some point maybe, but the rest will likely never make it in.

@mystic hare there is a way to do that already, although it isn't official, much rather it is a bug, but you can auto-walk, works for legacy the same as it carried on to evrima, if you don't use shift-tab for steam overlay but something like F9 or something (example) you can hold W press F9 3 times in a row without letting go of W (or whichever direction you desire to go) then you finally let go of W before pressing F9 once more, pressing shift turns it into sprinting, must not recommended doing this anywhere other than in open fields though

I forgot to add the period at the end of that sentence

[wintry cipher]

It is tied to the elder system pretty sure. To entomb a dino you need to die from old age in order to buff your mutations.

In other news, work continues on the much-anticipated Elder System, which already has functionality for growing to elder, dying of old age (which is initiated by the player and not automatic), and passing your mutations onto your next life. These mutations will scale in strength each time the player repeats this cycle until they reach a cap.```

[sweet mason]

ah I see, I must've overlooked that

[hardy vine]

@tranquil finch 350!

[sweet mason]

This happens everywhere, probably since stego came out (teno was in the first version of evrima alongside utah (now omni))

[icy bramble]

I don’t see them increasing vanilla server sizes until they make the game more stable. I think that’s the only reason they don’t. For now check out some of the cool unofficial servers. (Whenever they aren’t full or empty)

[quartz meteor]

@lofty ibex Pls buff carno or nerf teno theres no way 1 solo teno can mess up 3 fg carnos

I literally seen a Teno kill a FG trike using only kicks… so yeah… its definitely doable lol

[urban flax]

It's not about size
It's about not making an animal both the fastest and the strongest by far

[limber hull]

its so weird that people look at how much they weigh and not the fact that diablo has a shield with spikes on its head and maia has no outstanding weapons to speak of

[tranquil finch]

yo?

[urban flax]

@safe vale This seems like a serious matter, you should probably dm an admin or even Punchpacket about it

[indigo gulch]

It’s insane that people don’t immediately see the problem with it

[junior nymph]

@tranquil finch theres a couple issues with increasing the players to 200 lol

not map sided more server issues and such

[junior nymph]

@finite bane A ui update is planned lol

[finite bane]

ooo neat. I do like the aesthetic and setup of the current UI generally tbh.

I moreso meant like... something that could possibly make understanding the process a little simpler for newer players. Explaining it can be a little tedious at times/sometimes even when experienced, pairing and knowing when, or why, you can place a nest, or pair, can be hard to understand.

[mellow mango]

200 hackers in a server sounds like so much fun 🙃

[junior nymph]

thats not what i meant..

[mellow mango]

I know

But increasing player limits will increase the amount of hackers, and nothing will be done about it and that makes me both sad and mad

[junior nymph]

Yea

I meant more actual server issues in itself

like lag and such

[safe vale]

I did, but no answer yet

[safe vale]

The devs turned off DMs... well I did not trey every one of them, so I can only hope they will somehow see it...

[junior nymph]

even punchpacket?

[safe vale]

Wrote him just now. DMs weremt turned off luckily. Had just written to those who were online. Now we can only wait

Thanks for the advice🫡

[junior nymph]

yeah punch is the only dev you are meant to dm lol

[safe vale]

Ah, good to know. I am not really active on the offical server xD

[safe vale]

Well, they now deleted my post in the feedback channel and still did not answer. Pretty rude imo

[limpid bear]

especially given that u warned them

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

imagine trying to play an aquatic or arboreal on that map if it's 1-1 with legacy lmao

would be utter hell, especially for a deino

also i genuinely cant fathom how people despise Gateway yet revere V3, despite V3 being like, everything wrong with Isle map design

[sweet mason]

diablo is not the only playable bro, and diablo wins most of the times in a one on one, like it should

[limber hull]

what?

we're in agreement that diablo should win idk what you're getting at here

when did i even imply diablo is the only playable lmao

[urban flax]

Not reading a conversation before voicing your opinion is a sin

[icy lion]

@dull shuttle Send /unstuck in the game's chatbox

[dull shuttle]

it's not working

I'm stuck in a rock and I can't get out

can someone help me please

[robust cape]

2 months and no rex lol

"just around the corner everyone!" saying ahh

[icy bramble]

I would honestly just want more variety in AI. Making them more fun to hunt would be great.

[inland sierra]

Making the little ones easier to see AT ALL would be great

[pliant elm]

"Rex will be released soon after Trike" xd

[spiral tiger]

This month we will have another update showing nothing new and promising that new things are coming??? Just so I can prepare my mental state for more frustration.

[inland coral]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-on-their-way-george-rr-martin-south-park-s17e8-a-song-of-ass-and-fire-gif-20388824

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

the scourge returns

[faint folio]

@tender latch you could probably DM Punchpacket with that - I'd think they could probably sue the Chinese company for plagiarism and libel if they wanted

[tender latch]

I avoiding pinging or DMing him

He gets too many too often as it is

[faint folio]

True - but I think this one is probably important enough to warrant it.

[lunar mirage]

increasingly obvious the dev team doesnt care.

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[sudden bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-slap-smack-face-fail-gif-2324307909356228226

[woven surge]

<@&401466542140817419> its everywhere yay

[junior nymph]

@barren zephyr I dont think they can fix what you want without you giving what needs fixing lol

[barren zephyr]

If you read what I said, I don't need to tell them what to fix because people are already complaining about it. I'm not gonna waste my time listing out all the things that needs to be fixed when it's already there in the general-feedback from other people,

[junior nymph]

I mean

if they seem it deem to be fixed they will fix it

if its not a fix or its just a skill issue it wont be fixed

[barren zephyr]

?? I know that

I'm talking about them needing to fix the bugs, the animations, the graphics, and etc since the new update

[junior nymph]

im just wondering what do you deem to need fixing

[junior nymph]

ah yeah

[acoustic sleet]

Just as an addition to my feedback suggestion, as a Deino yesterday; I watched two separate incidents of the same hacking player repeat the same sequence, about an hour apart. Log in, murder everything in the area, and most importantly, immediately log out. Even though I have replay footage witnessing it from safety - and know the SteamID of the account used to do it - there is no actual real system to actually report them from the Isle's end in game, even after the fact.

Even if there was - the Discord seems to rely on reporting it in progress (and not namedropping locations/skins publicly), it's not easy to just throw out an after-action report anywhere. Admins usually say the reason for this is that it is more likely to prompt the hacker to log out if you do reveal their location - from what I've witnessed, they are doing that anyway, to prevent being caught. Granted, I don't think you should be able to location drop, because that could lead to false reporting or inaccurate accusations of people not actually hacking.

But clearly hackers will attempt to circumvent any system that leads to them being caught - which is likely why this hacker logged literally 10 seconds after it killed the last player in the area. I.e: If the system relies on catching them in progress, they'll hack in such a way where heyt won't let you catch them in progress.
So the system to report them needs to be much more codified and our ability to reach support to ban them needs to be more approachable than it currently is.

[jolly cedar]

All I would like to see is the game optimized to run smoothly on DirectX 11 like Legacy, before any big new dinosaur reveals.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

lmao

[junior nymph]

he got banned or left the server lmao he crashed out in isle discussion

[limber hull]

was it raging about losing to the worst animal in the game due to fall damage lmao

[normal shuttle]

Insane baby rage crashout for a baby omni death

Don’t get why some people upvoted it

[summer temple]

#general-feedback message would’ve upvoted this if the guy didn’t give the clip such a stupid name

[junior nymph]

he was saying vile stuff in isle discussion then either got banned or left

[normal shuttle]

I wanna check it

[topaz crane]

@full comet You're more than welcome to apply, We are always on the lookout for people to join the team, https://dyno.gg/form/a588e123

[wooden agate]

@vagrant dune unrelated but how do you expect people to vote on this #general-feedback message

[shy folio]

hey is anyone else having trouble with the isle evrima server list? even after refreshing I only see a few servers for both official and unofficial

[full spoke]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[wooden agate]

@modest forge #general-feedback message you do realize thats not how any of this works right

you cant just rip an animal from legacy and plop it into evrima

[modest forge]

why not? They have a file of a T-Rex already, just release it

why not? its the same game

[wooden agate]

oh. i see.

[shy folio]

I was thinking the same thing 💀 it's not that simple. Legacy rex didn't have all the mechanics the new rex has

[wooden agate]

nono, its the same game. its totally that simple

[modest forge]

it had more mechanics than the new rex. The new rex doesn't exist!

[shy folio]

is this ragebait

[wooden agate]

who needs a new rig? new animations? who needs rex to be updated to the engine version? surely the animal from UE4 will play nicely with all the UE5.4 code in game right now

[wooden agate]

if its not, the world is genuinely doomed

[modest forge]

I am not baiting anything, ive never played a game that takes this long for an update like this

[wooden agate]

surely previous rex rig is adapted for every single animation that is required for evrima (on average over 300)

and evrima rex currently has over 800

[modest forge]

I just want to play as the rex and would rather play as the legacy rex than no rex

[wooden agate]

legacy animals were lucky to get 60-80 animations

and that is really pushing it

[shy folio]

last time I checked there's community servers on evrima you can play the unfinished rex on

[modest forge]

60-80 animations is a lot more than we have now

[wooden agate]

i mean, it isnt. you can play rex right now in game via the datamined version. even unfinished, it has 10x more to it than legacy rex ever had

[modest forge]

Community servers dont hit the same

[wooden agate]

you can also play legacy rex in legacy

its right there

[modest forge]

but I want the other animals from evnirma

and the map

[shy folio]

then you'll just have to wait for rex to be released officially on evrima like everyone else

[modest forge]

I am waiting??? that is the problem

[shy folio]

well complaining about it isn't gonna make it come faster either. The impatience is more of a you problem than the development teams problem

[wooden agate]

i mean not really

you're in here offering suggestions that frankly would never work in a million years because thats flat out not how game development works

like this could not be further removed from what actually goes into these animals

[modest forge]

my complaint was that it is taking so long that they should add the legacy rex atleast as a placeholder until they have the new one ready. I am not mad that it is taking this long, I am mad at the misuse of previous files

[shy folio]

the code of legacy is different than evrima. That's why your idea doesn't work

[wooden agate]

you want them to use files from the version of the game they couldnt update without breaking 100 things?

you want to use the code that broke the game?

just making sure i understand this correctly is all

because thats what youre asking for

[modest forge]

why would it break the game?

they are both called the isle

[wooden agate]

because thats how horrible legacy code is

[wooden agate]

okay yeah this is bait

[modest forge]

I am new, I never played legacy, I didnt know it was any different until you guys said something

[shy folio]

code is a delicate thing. Think of it like a bridge made of toothpicks I guess. move one toothpick or adding one more causes complications that you have to fix. and not every toothpick fits into the exact same bridge.

[wooden agate]

thats not really an isle question though, you dont need any prior knowledge of the game to know why this doesnt work

its like trying to rip mechanics from the first elder scrolls and shoving them into ES6

[shy folio]

yeah, it's just not that clear-cut

what you're suggesting is much easier said than done

[wooden agate]

the code is so old, and outdated, and frankly not even for that engine anymore that its like trying to seperate a 5x5mile velcro strip by each individual hook

[modest forge]

I am not american, how much is a mile?

but I think I am starting to understand

[wooden agate]

actually porting over legacy rex, fixing whatever that old code breaks, and then giving it every single animation it would need (literal hundreds) would take longer than just finishing rex now

[modest forge]

I didnt mean adding new animations to the old rex, just fix the code enough that it fits as a temporary dino

[wooden agate]

((but to answer your question from before, old programmer messed up legacy's code pretty bad which was the initial reason for the recode, also known as EVRIMA. in addition to already messed up code, its extremely hard for programmers to jump in and understand another coders language without weeks/months of looking through it and making minimal changes to be comfortable))

[wooden agate]

the rex would T-Pose everywhere the moment it turns

[modest forge]

that would be pretty funny

but I see the problem

[wooden agate]

it wouldnt be able to wallow, grab meat, carry bodies, have built in turning on the spot, and wouldnt have seemless growth

for the most part, it would just get bullied by everything in game because it cant turn around lol

[wooden agate]

i think i know where the confusion comes from, have you ever played legacy? or watched a few gameplay videos on it?

[modest forge]

only a little bit from my friend @urban bear

[wooden agate]

the game as a whole is wildly different. animals from legacy just wouldnt work in evrima due to how massively they've exploded in complexity. and that goes for any animal really. allo/bary/etc would all have the same issues

and even then, animals that look similar to their legacy counterparts (omni, diablo, maia, ava, carno) all function wildly differently, and other than purely the model itself, they're basically different in every way

now if you just want to play rex, i can still definitely recommend legacy. theres a charm to it, even without some of the more unique species from EVRIMA. its also slightly easier to get into and learn with imo

[urban bear]

I do not associate with this man

[shy folio]

LOL

[wooden agate]

you guys are friends now

[modest forge]

you are just mad I am better than you with 3000 less hours

[wooden agate]

probably true

[urban bear]

Better at dying maybe

[modest forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-push-back-his-hairline-gif-11241907652566626707

thank you guys for the new information

[shy folio]

you're welcome

[tribal oar]

@urban bear stop spreading misinformation

[modest forge]

you have been begging me like a dog to buy the new NBA2K game

[urban bear]

false

[modest forge]

keep telling yourself that

[full comet]

I already have and i know few others who have quite a bit of experience and have applied as well

Legit applied monthssss ago. So many people want to help with the hacker problem 🫡

@outer mesa its a known issue that fish are sadly bugged rn. Pretty frustrating i hope they hotfix that asap but probably gonna have to wait till next major update at this rate

[junior nymph]

🫡

[junior nymph]

@fading light /unstuck

[fading light]

thanks

[outer mesa]

Okay thank you for letting me know 🙂

[sour condor]

@vagrant phoenix I have done quite a bit of digging into this topic. I have come across quite a few things, which i find myself fighting on my own.

I have been trying to reach devs about it with close to no luck.

I did get a few responses from the team but it didn't really help me. Still hoping to reach Punchpacket.

[sour condor]

@formal relic I have downvoted your suggestion to remove the cooldown on the unstuck, hence there are a lot of places where you can glitch yourself into the terrain and get out by using it. So if someone were to do that and build a nest, it would make an opening to an invincible nest glitch.

@jolly cedar Absolutely agree with you, the priority shouldn't be the big surges of players after pushing the updates, it really should be keeping the current playerbase by removing stressing factors like unoptimized gameplay and the amount of cheaters present ingame currently.

[limpid bear]

just curious whats wrong with my suggestion for beipi

[sour condor]

I feel like there is not really a problem with your suggestion, I think there are more pressing issues people want fixed and worked on.

Beipi is not necessarily a hard dinosaur to play so far. They have limited time to work on crutial things aswell.

Your suggestion wouldn't really make the game more appealing to players.

[limber hull]

i hate this argument

there should never be a situation of "oh it doesn't matter because its small/insignificant"

[limpid bear]

precisely plus it was only a suggestion people dont need to hate on things such as that and i never said it needed to be put before the more pressing issues

[limber hull]

people wouldnt argue this if it weren't a small creature

were it deino or trike, it'd mean something

[limpid bear]

in my mind beipi having it makes sense considering one of its main abilities is crab hunting

[sour condor]

Absolutely.

[limpid bear]

i just dont understand peoples inherent disagreement to a suggestion just becuase there are more pressing issues (thank you for agreeing with me tho)

[sour condor]

I'm not sure if that is the case, that is my personal opinion. If i were to downvote it, that would be the reason for it.

[limpid bear]

what other reason would there be ? how would it affect them so

[sour condor]

We would only see beipis on the beach. I love to see them around fresh water 😛

[limpid bear]

they still could it does not prevent them from going to fresh water

[sour condor]

There are already only a handfull of people playing beipis. If half of them would stick to the beaches, it would signifficantly decrease the beipi sightings. :C

[limpid bear]

dude half the people who see beipis try to murder them

[sour condor]

On the other side your suggestion could get people to play them more. I have ran out of possible arguments at this point. Keep in mind I am on the side that it would be a nice addition.

[limpid bear]

ik it just to me seems trivial for people to downvote a suggestion for a dino they probably never play

[formal relic]

That’s not really a good reason with active admins lmao but sure

[sour condor]

They can't be asked to watch over everyone constantly. Just opening up another reason they are going to get called in for is going to make their work that much harder.

[formal relic]

Agree to disagree

[jolly cedar]

Appreciate you seeing my comment. Hopefully this gets the attention it deserves.

[edgy flax]

#general-feedback message how am i meant to ✅or❌ this like literally

atp im just ❌ every of his feedback

i do like the water drying up but i dont like the carno weight buff

[wooden agate]

genuinely

usually theres 1 good idea out of like 5 bad ones and i would like to upvote the good one lol

[edgy flax]

@vagrant dune the isles carno isnt googles carno okay

[vagrant dune]

Don’t matter. Carno is too weak when realistically carno is winning in a 1vs1 but in the isle carno is weak for no valid reason. It’s bigger stronger faster and has better bleed resistance but for some reason in game carno can’t beat cera unless it’s a 2:1 ratio at the least. A quick search shows that carno should be stronger.

[lucid mauve]

True, carno is really bad. If thats the worste thing im gonna encounter as small tier, im not gonna have much problem

[edgy flax]

the isle isnt realistic, the isles carno is a small prey hunter, the cerato isnt what it should hunt alone

[urban flax]

Carno isn't even bad

[vagrant dune]

I get the game “isn’t realistic” but it don’t mean it should just be twist every dino from what it should be. Making a cera bleed out is like trying to bite through titanium when carno should have better bleed resistance, is faster and stronger. Carno needs to go back to 1.8T

[vagrant dune]

Exactly

Omni is more of a threat to “small game” than a carno

Making carno 1.8T again won’t affect the ecosystem that much at most carno will be able to take on a teno and a cera which it should

[edgy flax]

do we play the same game?

[urban flax]

And you don't see the issue with carno being both faster and stronger than cera ?

[urban flax]

Absolutely not

We had enough carno murder megapacks back in spiro

[vagrant dune]

Omni is more of a threat to small game than carno

Against carno as “small game” just zig zag. Against omni there’s no escape

[vagrant dune]

No. It’s meant to be

[vagrant dune]

Cera is meant to be more agile and have a slightly higher biteforce and that’s about it

[lucid mauve]

Because your faster dont mean your effective, we are talking open areas. You can still beat the crap out a carno in dense area

[wooden agate]

... good?

[vagrant dune]

Exactly

[wooden agate]

thats... thats the point

carno, the plains hunter, should not be effective in a dense area

[vagrant dune]

I’m not talking about terrain I’m talking about how weak carno is

[edgy flax]

https://tenor.com/view/sasha-banks-disgusted-kokopuffz69-sasha-banks-mj-sasha-banks-funny-face-gif-22766701

[lucid mauve]

Agree, but right not its just bad in open area aswell. Way to low dmg, if im omni and get a carno on me. I have alot of time getting away, dense area or a rock etc

[urban flax]

Then Im' thankful that you aren't in charge of balancing this game

[vagrant dune]

Omni is more of a “small game” hunter than carno. You can’t just zig zag omni and escape you’ll get pinned and go back to the menu screen. Carno gets manhandled when it should be heavier and stronger

[lucid mauve]

Legacy carno was perfect there, i actually feared it in open area. But if it followed me into a dense area, it could be carno beeing the hunted one

[urban flax]

That's more of an issue with how busted pin is

[vagrant dune]

How is carno at 1.8T not balancing the game? At most carno will be able to hunt tenos and ceras how’s that OP

[wooden agate]

you do realize small game for carno and small game for omni are two different things

right

small game is entirely relative

[vagrant dune]

There are pack limits that are now enforced

[wooden agate]

enforced where? on officials?

[urban flax]

Because then tenos and ceras are dead on sight against carno
Lose in a fight, can't run away

[urban flax]

Haha

[wooden agate]

because surprise surprise, those same group limits were on spiro so im really confused what that means

[vagrant dune]

Either way omni is the real “small game hunter” you can’t zig zag and escape omni carno needs its weight to go back to 1.8T

[vagrant dune]

What are you talking about? Small game is basically anything smaller than a carno and omni can pin all of them…

[urban flax]

That isn't even making it a better small game hunter
In fact, that would make carno worse at it

[wooden agate]

i didnt know solo omni could pin pachy or dilo (or the numerous other 500-1000kg animals coming to the game)

[urban flax]

Lol no

[vagrant dune]

If the teno plays right they’ll live and they won’t get knocked over they’ll get stunned

[vagrant dune]

No it wouldn’t

[urban flax]

If carno is stronger and faster, they won't live

[lucid mauve]

cera and tenos should be about where the fight is, dense area? Carno better run

[wooden agate]

both cera and teno would be able to use congen on carno if it got upsized, making it worse at fighting them lol

[urban flax]

Extra weight does nothing in favor of carno against its intended prey
However it makes it require more food, so worse at being a small game hunter

[vagrant dune]

They can in the right situation. Facing a carno is just zig zag and escape if you’re smaller. If you’re bigger than carno then carno gets absolutely manhandled

[vagrant dune]

All depends on the situation. The terrain, the numbers skill level etc

[wooden agate]

they actually can not

solo omni does not get access to grapple, dilo and pachy are both unpinnable for solo omnis

[vagrant dune]

That would barely do anything. If they’re not good cera players they’ll just get destroyed

[wooden agate]

oh so you want carno to dominate the cera/teno match up?

despite the fact that when it did do that, it was almost universally agreed upon to be insane?

and led to such a mass community uproar that carno got reworked?

[lucid mauve]

Depends on where the fight is ? Why shouldt someone dominate another playable on their terms

[vagrant dune]

It was just fine at 1.8T looking at videos hunting “small game” and the way carno tail is built regardless if it’s 2 pounds or 2 tons it’s not built for agility which makes the “small game” idea even more dumb if you actually go into the structure of a carno tail

[wooden agate]

if you're in the plains, sure

but carno can already handle cerato well in the plains, its pretty easy to do so (especially without the bleed modifers)

[vagrant dune]

You’re actually wrong. Pachy/dilo with low stamina or bleed can get pinned by solo omni

[urban flax]

Cera and teno's purpose are both to be fighting off things their own size or slightly larger
Making carno have the advantage over them both would imply returning it as something crazy OP

[wooden agate]

so close! this is grapple math. not pounce/pin math

[urban flax]

It was NOT fine at 1.8 tons

[wooden agate]

grapple is a seperate mechanic from pounce/pin, and functions on entirely different maths and mechanical details

[urban flax]

I'm personnally looking forward more to the gobbler carno rework and manual charge than some stupid stat buffs it doesn't need

[wooden agate]

grapple (the mechanic that actually takes into account bleed/stam) requires 2 omnis

and thats not really something that can be argued lol

[wooden agate]

peak

[vagrant dune]

You cera players are so obvious. So infinite:tracking scent range, bile to make everyone vomit and a higher group size is better than size and speed??

[vagrant dune]

Cera is more agile, and has more of an advantage in dense areas that alone should make it a 50/50 fight

[wooden agate]

why are we using an overpowered cerato to justify buffing a fine carno

the solution is making cerato not absolutely insane lol

[vagrant dune]

Your brain mustve taken a day off today because in this game, if a Maia stamina and bleed is low 3 omnis can pin a 3.8T Maia with 3 omnis which add up too 1.3T. So “grapple math” doesn’t apply in this game when bleed is low 🤣🤣

[vagrant dune]

Carno definitely isn’t fine cera is just OP

[wooden agate]

you... you do realize grapple with low blood/stam only requires 25% of the target weight, rightv

what you described literally IS the grapple math

[vagrant dune]

Now you’re tryna gaslight the situation because you’re wrong… omni CAN pin

[wooden agate]

????

@urban flax you actually have to look at this, its hilarious

[vagrant dune]

I don’t get what you’re saying what you’re now saying is what I said before

Tryna gaslight because you’re wrong

[wooden agate]

solo omni PHYSICALLY can not grapple because the GRAPPLE MECHANIC relies on TWO OR MORE OMNIS

and GRAPPLE is the ONLY PART OF RAPTOR (not its pounce! not its solo pin!) that takes into account bleed/stamina

you cant say "grapple math doesnt apply" when the grapple math is literally what allows those omnis to pin that maia at low bleed

[vagrant dune]

So when a Maia has low stamina and bleed and gets pounced by 3 omnis and gets pinned it’s getting “grappled” and not pounced Yh😂

This is comedy

[wooden agate]

YES

the DEVS have confirmed as much

you can not seriously be arguing these things here while thinking pounce/pinning is the exact same mechanic as grapple when we HAVE concrete math of grappling that is WILDLY different from pin/pounce

like genuinely. please actually know what you're talking about.

[vagrant dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dondi-the-isle-dext-pizza-eating-gif-21869494

[wooden agate]

grapple math requires either

• 101% of total targets weight to be met via omnis
  OR
• 25% with low bleed/stamina/health

[vagrant dune]

I said what you’re now saying earlier and you’re tryna look technical with the language to gaslight me😂😂😂 stop yapping

[wooden agate]

you tried to say solo omni could pin pachy/dilo actually

which since you literally can not use grapple as a solo omni, it physically can not

[vagrant dune]

I’m right. Tryna be technical with the language doesn’t disprove me.

[wooden agate]

okay, heres a video then lol.

https://youtu.be/e5srde8SBi0?si=MLMydfpLubDzt9J6

2:30 onwards explains the actual difference between pin/grapple

[vagrant dune]

I’ll watch that later and see

[wooden agate]

which also explains why solo omni can not pin solo dilo/pachy lol

[cold crater]

Seems that <@&505047238674874368> don't care about what's written in #general-feedback as some are not relevant. Funny that I got a warning for one of mine and I didn't do it again.

[limber citrus]

Admins are real people too, they don't have time to go through feedback constantly

[cold crater]

🙄

[wooden agate]

but i do

[limber citrus]

[steady tinsel]

Does anyone know why when I try to connect to a server it just says connecting? It never loads

[latent olive]

I love this one

#general-feedback message

“I’d like to propose the following enhancements for carnotaurus:”

doesn’t propose anything

[bronze niche]

some people want carno to be 1.8 tons again but honestly i feel like it shouldnt

at first i use to think it should, but knowing the devs theyd counteract it hard by making its bleed so bad again

i mean back then a carno could literally get bled out from an omnis half pounce

its suppose to be a small game hunter by the devs and now its really good at hunting small game

[junior nymph]

you right it should be 2.1T!!!!!!

[bronze niche]

maybe its weight should get boosted again though when we have a bigger selection of apexes

like spino rex and giga so that officials dont just have 3 of those for carnivore selection

[junior nymph]

I just want gobbler carno

[latent olive]

it shouldn’t

[junior nymph]

so we get a fun 1.8-2.1T animal that fits its small game hunter idea

[latent olive]

all it does is turn Carno into balance hell 2: meat eating bullgaloo

[bronze niche]

1800 kg carno is arguably worse than 1300 kg carno, the only thing that 1800 kg carno had going for it was the ability to hunt tenotos if skilled enough easier than 1300 kgs

[latent olive]

and that’s the only reason why people want it to be back at 1.8 tons

so they can pvp more

[junior nymph]

lol

[latent olive]

Carno, at 1.3 tons, survives perfectly fine and that’s what it needs

[bronze niche]

maybe it could use a tiny weight gain, its weight should not be the same as cera

[bronze niche]

neither should the biteforce

[latent olive]

I’ll need to see how this swallower Carno is implemented first before I make any judgements on it

[bronze niche]

itll be bascially current carno but with the gobbler ability and probably a weight buff considering it will be able to swallow a fg omni whole

but maybe also not a weight buff, they kinda doubled down on carno being 1300 kgs even though its growth is still more than cera

[maiden anvil]

@full pewter don’t take my dislike the wrong way. I definitely think Utah should have feathers but I think having so much feathers at the neck makes the animal look “smaller” in a way (less volume)

[full pewter]

First off are you aware the devs are planning to add a feathered Utahraptor as a separate playable from omniraptor? And second I get where you’re coming from, it definitely looks better on longer necks, but Utah isn’t really known for having a long neck lol

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message aint no way

troodon already cant do anything when being pinned

[maiden anvil]

I am aware of it. That’s why I think it still should have feathers apart from Omni. I don’t think it matters on the length of the neck but the size of the entire animal. Giving it feathers on its neck feels off when it should be along the throat

Not to mention how large that head is

[full pewter]

It should have feathers on its head and neck, it’s just a matter of how thick

[full pewter]

I did intentionally make it larger than usual, but then again Utahraptor had a very big head for its body compared to other dromaeosaurs

[maiden anvil]

Why should it tho? It doesn’t look good

[full pewter]

What? You want it to have a naked vulture head?

[urban flax]

I like the feather mane

It makes it distinct and intimidating

The head is too big tho

As you said utah already has a big head
Making it bigger makes it look like a funkopop

[maiden anvil]

I’ll tell you this. I could make my own design so you know what I would prefer

[full pewter]

Is it really THAT big though?? Like I’ve seen Utahraptor designs with bigger heads

A few examples

[full pewter]

And yes have at it

[maiden anvil]

But for that, I need to know exactly how big it was

[full pewter]

Omniraptors weight (450kg) is accurate for irl Utahraptor, but the devs have implied feathered Utah will be bigger and stronger than Omni in game

[urban flax]

Make omni smaller

[full pewter]

Nah leave Omni, make feathered Utah 550kg (and buff Pachy to 600kg while we’re at it)

[maiden anvil]

Good to know. That will imply so tweaks to my art of it. I always consider to make the animal look big without needing to compare it to anything

[urban flax]

Omni has no reason to be made of lead like it is rn

[maiden anvil]

@lean escarp your idea gives me leopard vibes and I like it a lot

Btw, 600kg Utha?

[full pewter]

Maybe elder, but not fresh adult imo

[full pewter]

Elaborate?

How it should be imo

Fresh adult weights:

• Omni: 450kg
• Utah: 550kg
• Pachy: 600kg
• Dilo: 700kg

[maiden anvil]

Alright, got it!

[urban flax]

Omni is way heavier than it should be compared to its visual size

There is no way there is only a 50kg difference between it and pachy

Or it being the same weight as galli

[full pewter]

Then again, volume doesn’t directly correlate to weight

[full pewter]

I getcha, but it’d rather buff Pachys weight than nerf Omnis

[urban flax]

If omni is full of lead yeah

[urban flax]

Tbh omni being as heavy as it is, combined with pin math, is a big balance issue

It means that everything under 450kg needs to be super fast or have some super escape ability to have a chance at being viable

At least with a lighter omni that threshold would be reduced

[full pewter]

Didn’t they make it so pounce Omnis have to exceed the weight of the victim to achieve a pin? Assuming said victim hasn’t lost any health or bleed?

[urban flax]

And omni is still much heavier than it looks

Which is an issue to game accessibility

[full pewter]

On this I agree with, and I’ve thought how it could be balanced around

• Herra can climb so if it gets pinned it probably deserved it, same for Austro who can escape into water
• Minmi has armor so if it’s pinned with its back up I doubt the Omni can kill it anyway
• Mono could utilize larger carnivores it groups with for protection (it’s gonna be used like a tracking dog anyway, that’s inevitable imo, so we should embrace it mechanically)
• And Rugops should just be heavier than Omni

Any small tier that’s larger than Omni would require 2 Omnis to pin so I guess that’s the best balance there is. Although Ava should be over 900kg, that way it takes 3 Omnis to pin

[urban flax]

The mono solution is awful
And what about austro, velo, oro, proto ?

Also, omni being as stupidly heavy as it is also affects larger animals due to grapple

[full pewter]

I’ve just totally embraced the idea of mono having a scouter niche. I just know mixpackers are gonna utilize its scent mechanic to track down other players, and the only way to prevent that is by changing its playstyle imo.
And for once I thought, why not embrace it? Make it squishy, but a valuable asset to certain large carnivores. Think of it like how ravens will scout out prey for wolf packs.

• Austro can escape into water
• Velo should have some sort of climb ability like hypsy, maybe even take over burrows for itself so it can retreat underground. It’s also really small so it’s naturally hard to detect (assuming the player is competent). Also sanctuaries.
• Kissen said Oro is probably scrapped
• Protos have burrows

[urban flax]

The herd up argument is bad enough, but you want mono to only be viable in mixpacks ?
That's absurd

Just because "people will abuse it" doesn't mean it has to be embraces
It's the opposite
If you know it's gonna be abused, then find a solution to limit the abuse potential instead of making it a feature

That's like asking for a stress system and when people point out it's gonna be abused, just add it anyway and label it as a new hunting tool for mixpacks

[full pewter]

I like to think of it as a naturally risky playstyle. You play mono knowing you’re often putting yourself in dangerous situations. But it works amazingly when it does work at all.
Also aren’t many species entirely geared towards group play? Omni? Troo?

[full pewter]

And how would you stop abuse potential for monos scent mechanic? Before I embraced the scouter niche I’ve tried to think of solutions to limit abuse, honestly came up with nothing

[urban flax]

Neither of them are unviable solo

We currently have one playable that relies on mixpacking to be viable
It's pachy
And it's awful in every way

[urban flax]

You don't even know what mono will play like

[full pewter]

The only think saving troos from Omnis are sanctuaries

[urban flax]

Even with super scent, I don't think it will be a better scout than ptera anyway

[urban flax]

Troodon can hide in places other than sanctuaries
Basically anywhere with grass

[full pewter]

If its concept art is correct, it’ll have a projectile attack that will scent mark its victims, allowing it to track them directly. What am I missing?

[urban flax]

Everything else regarding the mechanic + the fact it's only concept art

[full pewter]

I have yet to see a concept art that shows a playstyle that is completely different than how the dinosaur was implemented. There are mechanics that didn’t make it sure (herra flesh grazing), but monos whole playstyle is implied to be scent related

Also here’s an animation from kissen showing monos projectile attack

Just last year iirc

[urban flax]

So what ?
If mono's sole purpose is going to be a tool for mixpackers, at this point just don't add it

If mono proves to be used only in mixpacks then it will have to be reworked

Just like everything when it's not fulfilling its intended purpose

[full pewter]

Mono is already in a precarious position by existing on this roster, it’s just another small tier carnivore that’s smaller than Omni, probably can’t hunt anything larger than itself effectively. With hardly any unique hunting playstyles left for it to stand out.

If it were up to me I’d just remove it, but the scouter niche is at least something going for it imo

[urban flax]

Then find one that doesn't involve it being terrible on purpose

[urban flax]

You mean against it

[full pewter]

What do you want me to do?? I don’t see you throwing out playstyles for it

Like honest, I’m listening

[urban flax]

Other people have suggested interesting niches for mono already

You make it seem like much more of an issue than it really is

Mono relying on setting up traps like a kind of spider is one

[full pewter]

So far I’ve seen scent concealing, which is near worthless cause people aren’t hunting with the tracking mechanic most of the time.
And traps? You essentially rely on prey walking in a specific spot, and what are the chances that’s gonna happen before you get bored. I can only see monos doing this nearby food sources. And would it work on all species? Or just small tiers? Cause we could potentially be talking about extremely limited options

[urban flax]

If herrera works, then mono can work this way too
Also snot could be straight-up a ranged attack, allowing mono to engage with prey in ways no other dino can

But admittedly that would require careful balancing so it doesn't end up as another dilo

[full pewter]

It’s a ranged attack yes, but do you really think mono would be killing stuff with it?

[urban flax]

Why not ?

[full pewter]

Unless it’s boogers is acidic, it’s the most absurd killing method I’ve ever heard of

And how do you even balance that?? What are stegos and camas gonna do?? Just get pelted until they die?

[urban flax]

Then make it aciding

[urban flax]

The same thing they'll do against gen2

[full pewter]

Gen2 have limited ammo with their weapons, that they can only replenish by looting bases and such. I’d expect monos would just regenerate their snot over time, they can just follow a stego until it’s dead

[urban flax]

Then make it have to recharge its ammo in some way

Or limit it to only damage things small enough

[full pewter]

Regardless the intend behind gen2 and their guns is that they can’t just shoot Dino’s carelessly and not expect to run out of ammo, or be heard by the entire island

[urban flax]

There are plenty of ways to limit a mechanic to make it not busted

[full pewter]

How? Realistically how?

[urban flax]

See with dilo : prey used to be able to kill clones before they could deal damage

[full pewter]

And if monos snot is acidic, all the scent mechanics behind it should just be ditched, cause if something is marked, they’d technically be coated in acid

[urban flax]

Eat something
Eat something specific
Do some action like interacting with a piece of environment
Reclaim its snot by biting the last target it spitted on

[full pewter]

That should come back

[urban flax]

Acid can be stinky
In fact, it pretty much always is, especially during the process of dissolving organic matter

[full pewter]

Yea but it’s like, the prey you’ve marked is also dying. Logically the mono would smell it yea, but it’s now just a bonus

[urban flax]

Boom
Viable animal

[full pewter]

But is it faster than Omni?

If not, then it’s Omni food

Just going back to what started this whole debate lol

[urban flax]

Unless snot slows down the prey

Or, in that case, the predator

[full pewter]

HUGE Mixpack exploit

Have a smaller, faster species capable of slowing down a victim, so their Rex buddy can catch up and finish the job

[urban flax]

Then just make it faster than omni, or give it another way of escape

Which brings us back to the issue of omni being too large for something that fast and agile with so much punch-up AND punch-down potential

[full pewter]

It doesn’t look that fast, but then again the isle isn’t always about logic

[full pewter]

Honestly allo is the worse balance issue

And it’s got the same attack

Teno, Cerato, Carno, all solo pinnable. Probably Kentro and mega too

[urban flax]

Yes allo is a big issue too

It needs to be made quite slow in order to not invalidate two thirds of the roster

[full pewter]

Definitely no more than 38kph

Teno should also be able to stun allo, at least on head shots. Kentro should stop pins if allo attempts to pin it from behind. Magy should have repulsive flesh that makes allo vomit when it pins it.
And it’s just another reason to make carno stronger than it is, it probably won’t handle it well solo, but let it have a decent chance to threaten an allo in while in groups

It’s also why allo shouldn’t outweigh Diablo

[urban flax]

I don't see what carno's strength has to do with allo

It can just run

[full pewter]

It can, I just want it to have a chance to threaten allo

[urban flax]

Why ? It's a small game hunter

[full pewter]

Small game hunter this small game hunter that🥱

I especially hate it when people say that cause it’s “accurate”… NO, carno was an apex predator

[wooden agate]

neither accuracy nor what carno was matters in the context of this game

[full pewter]

I know that, just venting

[urban flax]

I mean that's its niche
Why do you want it to be able to do something that's not its niche ?

[full pewter]

All I’m saying is Carno is just gonna get more and more underwhelming as more large species get added, it’s just gonna get overshadowed

[urban flax]

Actually you're right, I want trike to be faster so it can actually hunt omnis

[full pewter]

I want it to hunt tenos reliably again

[urban flax]

That's a bad idea

[full pewter]

I can’t remember a time tenos couldn’t handle carnos

[urban flax]

I can

[full pewter]

Literally how?

[full pewter]

When?

[tired quest]

I want to not freak out when I encounter every juvi cera acting like as if they have rabies, cause I know they are all cheaters

[urban flax]

Back when carno's charge had a massive hitbox making it impossible to dodge and took priority over teno's tailslam

Tenos had like a 0.1 second window when a carno was charging at them to counter it

[full pewter]

On that I agree tenos tail slam should always take priority

[urban flax]

Otherwise they'd get stunned over and over until they died

[full pewter]

That’s why the distance requirement for carnos charge is needed

All I want is for duos or trios of carnos to be threatening to a Teno. 1v1s should always be Teno favored. Currently a single tail slam + kick combo will leave a carno fatally bleeding

[urban flax]

Doesn't solve anything, just makes it more clunky

[full pewter]

It means no last minute charges

Like charging right as you approach an opponent, minimizing stam cost

[urban flax]

Then it functionally just slightly increases the stam cost of charge

Which solves little in the matchup vs teno but makes it much, much worse against small tiers which require precise aiming and timing due to how they run and dodge

[full pewter]

Small tiers should have a very small distance requirement, if at all

[urban flax]

So carno players have to learn a different distance requirement for every potential prey ?

[limpid bear]

your daily reminder of the fact that we dont have rex guys 💔

[urban flax]

The upcoming manual charge attack seems like a much better solution

[full pewter]

Larger prey = longer distance requirement, that’s as simple as it needs to be

[full pewter]

That’ll probably change this whole conversation yea

[urban flax]

Distance requirement as a whole is clunky

[full pewter]

If they remove the distance requirement though, it’s just the spiro situation with one more button to press

[limpid bear]

im hoping the manual charge will give the small tiers a better chance when a fat ass carno comes charging at them

[full pewter]

Carnos should be demons towards small tiers. You enter an open field as a small tier in daytime, fear them

[urban flax]

At least it's not an automatic hit anymore
Spiro carno had other issues with its kit than charge being instant

[limpid bear]

im just saying that cause rn they can hit u as a small tier from 5 meters away

[full pewter]

What about trample

[urban flax]

Such as enormous hitbox, charge making it either super fast or giving it crazy absurd turning, damage too high

[full pewter]

The hitbox sucks yea

[urban flax]

What about it ?

[full pewter]

I know they plan to add trample, and I just can’t imagine a small tier not getting trampled by a carno no matter how fast it’s moving idk

[limpid bear]

many a troo have i lost to it once when i was basically behind a tree 😢

[urban flax]

Then it will be trampled

[full pewter]

So it’s basically the same situation as how carnos charge functions currently if you think about it

[limpid bear]

have u ever thought sbout how wierd it is that carnos charge hits for example a troodon , the head of the carno is much above the troo

[urban flax]

Trample may not have the same requirements not the same effect as charge
I highly doubt a carno walking into an omni will take away 1 quarter of its health and knock it down

[urban flax]

And also yeah, hitbox being only on the feet instead of in front of the animal

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Making a PoT playable is nowhere near the same as making an Isle playable

[latent olive]

i think hes just asking for modding so that people could make playable mods or something

[indigo gulch]

And considering the game code is constantly changing that is a bad idea for the modders😅

[odd whale]

Yea, but that’s why some people decide to not update until the mod updates… in certain games

[junior nymph]

wouldnt that take longer for updates?

[odd whale]

In what regards?

[junior nymph]

wait

did you mean the game or users?

[odd whale]

Users

[junior nymph]

wouldnt that not work in a game like this?

[odd whale]

Should have clarified mb

[junior nymph]

nah its my bad lol

[odd whale]

Not sure but I know that some games you can choose to play and not update

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message how it feels to straight up spread false info

are you getting deleted or just like removing stuff

@tranquil finch bbut its funny

(it needs to be fixed)

[tranquil finch]

whats funny about a mutation name being censored, thats stupid

[junior nymph]

its because a couple letters in the word do sound like a slur so it gets censored

[tranquil finch]

then make an exception to "hematophagy" but keep censoring the "slur" by itself

[junior nymph]

i agree

[limpid bear]

@full pewter love the utah design

[full pewter]

Tanks🔥

[limpid bear]

https://tenor.com/view/your-welcome-you're-welcome-welcome-welcome-bro-welcome-my-love-gif-13157160919128335536

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
"Allo will be as fast as carno and as agile as omni"

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[bronze niche]

yes its a better solution, but i think carno needs another buff in return for the nerf its getting

[strange wave]

justinbarry has got to be like, single digits age wise, just based on the way they make suggestions

[full pewter]

If you’re referring to its new move, it’s too early to tell, it could even be a buff

[faint folio]

Yeah... I suspect allo will be much slower than carno (carno is faster than everything else except maybe galli so far, right?). If allo was just "Omni/carno but Better" then literally there would be no reason to play either when you can play allo

[wooden agate]

yeah honestly i cant see allo being much faster than cerato at base speed

[pliant elm]

Allo probably will run between 36-39km/h, Anything above that would affect the balance

And even with this speed you will still be able to use speed mutations and reach Ceratos and Tenos, but that is a separate problem and not with Allo

[faint folio]

Given it's supposedly an ambusher... I could see it being a little faster but then having relatively bad stamina to compensate and let things escape. Not sure how that would work with pounce though... But honestly pounce looks quite strange for allo anyways

[pliant elm]

Since Allo will have Pounce and Pin, giving him an ambush is like pulling a lever for problems xd

[junior nymph]

@thorny cipher they have said money is not a issue

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

rex shouldnt have it, why the hell would SUCHO need it lol

[junior nymph]

in its concept it either fishes or hunts small critters like beipi

it isnot really shown ambushing

apart from water

[limber hull]

that genuinely would make me go from being excited to sucho to hating it lol

[gloomy gazelle]

having 50 ping and still dying to a carno hitting you from 5 lightyears away is not funnnnnn

[tranquil finch]

#general-feedback message @full pewter

its not even out yet why are you making feedback

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message what am I reading here

#general-feedback message this one too comparing a carno to allo

[urban flax]

Imagine delaying ht even more so kentro, austro and bary can be in it

[full pewter]

Maybe cause I’m trying to have a little fun with some speculation you buzzkill🤡

[tranquil finch]

come back to me once you learn what feedback means

[limber hull]

what

[full pewter]

Come back to me when you learn that speculation is fair game here

[barren crater]

You can post feedback and suggestions here

[lunar mirage]

i disagree

[willow latch]

@vagrant dune you might have better luck posting actual research instead of ai responses

[vagrant dune]

Fact of the matter is carno should have a higher bleed resistance.

Barely got touched by 2 omnis that I killed and carno bleed was at 70%. The fight lasted no longer than 50 seconds

[willow latch]

raptors do a lot of bleed and running/charging increases the bleed rate

[woven bane]

carnos bleed resistance isn’t bad