general-feedback-discussion

[vital hazel]

The venom being buggy and glitchy doesn't make it op imo, it's same as ceras bile being buggy, just bad game code

I think dilo would be fine IF they fixed the buggy ass clones

Maybe take a lil damage away from them too

[sudden hinge]

Ceras bile really isn’t bugged tho aside from when you could still vomit lock you can’t do that and dilo clones hit you regardless there is no counter water used to be now they hit you worse in water

[limber hull]

ceras bile isnt buggy? it works fine

[sudden hinge]

Yeah that’s what I thought I don’t think cera sepsis is bugged lol

[vital hazel]

Lol? For ages, a Cera could bite your tail and make you puke. I don't know if that's know been fixed but it's bile was only supposed to work on body and head bites

[sudden hinge]

The problem with cera was infinite charge bite with no draw backs

[vital hazel]

It also was weird with weight, one Cera bite could make a fg carno puke when it was supposed to take 2-3, hence why I called it buggy

[sudden hinge]

I don’t think that’s the case I haven’t had that happen in ages nor when playing cera have I got anything to puke from a tail bite aside from teno

[eternal moss]

also another problem with cera

[sudden hinge]

Yeah that was before some updates cera charge bite puke works right now from what I’ve seen

[eternal moss]

idk if that got updated tho

[vital hazel]

It's been better recently, after they tuned down the puke a little a few months ago, but it used to happen all the time

[sudden hinge]

It usually takes a bit to puke teno dibble stego or trike

[eternal moss]

takes like 2 head bites for a stego

[sudden hinge]

Carno is the same size as cera now so it should puke relatively fast

[sudden hinge]

That could be tied to the damage multipliers but idk

But again puke wasn’t the issue infinite charge bite was

[vital hazel]

I think Cera would be just fine in its current state without the stability buff it got, and if it was even slower when it has a fully charged bite. It's supposed to be a corpse bullying scavenger, not an offensive tank

The stability buff is too much imo

[sudden hinge]

Nah I think the stability is a good trade off for being slower and more defensive

[limber hull]

the stability mod is fine imho. I just hate that the stam and speed nerfs literally do not matter

[eternal moss]

yeah, cera packs shouldn't be going around killing fully grown trikes

[limber hull]

(i'll be real i just think trike is kinda bad too rather than just cera being good)

[barren crater]

Disagree. You can at least break dilo clones easily

[sudden hinge]

No they shouldn’t but also side not dilo shouldn’t be able to solo 2 two ton trikes which happens

[sudden hinge]

You can’t they literally still hit you

You can’t defend against dilo clones

[eternal moss]

cant trike one shot a dilo

2 tons, cant it 2 shot?

[sudden hinge]

A full grown can a trike that’s 2 tons can’t

[limber hull]

a fullgrown trike cant even one-shot a dilo with its base LMB to a bodyshot

[barren crater]

Do they teleport up slopes and rocks now? :O

[sudden hinge]

Yeah trike is weak and dilo is op

[limber hull]

(i genuinely think trike's damage is WAAAY too low)

[eternal moss]

doesnt it have 600 bite force tho?😭

[limber hull]

yea and dilo has 700HP

[sudden hinge]

Yeah you can’t escape them now unless I guess you can fly or climb

[limber hull]

it tanks that

[sudden hinge]

Dilo is too overtuned it’s venom makes it a one man army

[barren crater]

I'll have to sus it but if true wow. Didn't work last time (in the ht)

[sudden hinge]

Me and a buddy were two tons of trike a piece and one dilo literally solo’d us with clones and we couldn’t do anything

[limber hull]

trike having only 100 damage more than deino is genuinely tragic imho, its damage is just way too low, and i think it was flawed to design it as a knockdown-oriented creature like dibble, its not fast nor agile enough to actually combo all that well

[vital hazel]

Cera has: insane stamina, insane trot speed, a smell radius 3x bigger than he next closest carnivore, the fastest large carnivore swim speed PLUS the ability to alt bite in the water, the ability to eat rotten meat AND bones, a very small turning radius, a body buff that can make it 2x tankier than its actual HP, natural bleed AND fracture resistance, bile that makes dinos insta puke and get hit even more, a spammable charge bite, now a stability multiplier so it can't be knocked down by teno or carno, the ability to cannibalize without putting a mutation into it, the ability to puke on corpses so other dinos can't eat them and I'm sure more things I'm forgetting.

The ONLY bad part in ceras kit is that it's slow in a straight line. That is it. It is an op dino and the easiest carnivore to play, by far.

[sudden hinge]

This trike should be a powerhouse and it’s mobility is ass and its attacks are buggy

[barren crater]

"slow" LOL

[pliant elm]

The problem with Dilo Vebom is not the bugs but the duration they remain on the victim, which can last up to 10 minutes at night

[limber hull]

cera doesn't technically have fracture resist but it also isn't really that slow lol

[vital hazel]

You get what I'm saying, I'm calling it slow by carnivore standards

[sudden hinge]

You can literally disengage as every other carnivore in the game cera needs a higher stam drain on charge bite and it’s fine without any bogus mutations it’s pretty standard and not a huge issue

[vital hazel]

Cera is literal easy mode lmao

[limber hull]

^

cera is imho one of, if not the easiest dinosaur in the game

[sudden hinge]

It’s a scavenger it’s not suppose to be hard to grow it aside from being the slowest carnivore in game besides deino

[barren crater]

Cerato mainly needs a competitor. Even with the proposed nerfs it will be overpopulated

[sudden hinge]

Take out all the combat perks and it’s not really that deadly

[limber hull]

ehhh

[vital hazel]

Cera needs to slow down to 35km/h when running with a fully charged bite, a charge bite cool down as well as toned down bile that doesn't make you insta puke before I'd say it's balanced

[sudden hinge]

I’d say bary will likely challenge it nicely carnos do well against them in the open still

[limber hull]

nah, the combat muts only compount an existing issue, they aren't the sole problem

[pliant elm]

That's funny. "Scavenger" who is really the best hunter

[vital hazel]

Lol? I just listed like 10+ things as to why it's too unbalanced

[vital hazel]

Cera mains will never understand this

[sudden hinge]

It slows down enough that it can’t chase anything with it besides maybe dibble stego and trike which they should be stronger than a cera anyways

[limber hull]

i'll be real, i can't stand cera because it basically just isn't a scav

[sudden hinge]

It’s really not the best hunter lol any herbivore can just run and it won’t get caught

[limber hull]

(except they aren't lol)

[vital hazel]

Yet with it's insane turn radius, it still remains a huge danger. Either make it slower, or make it so charge bite has a very long cool down, or both

[sudden hinge]

Does it not slow down enough for teno to out run it?

[limber hull]

besides maybe stego, the other two get pretty easily killed by competent ceras

[pliant elm]

Yes, he is. Not even Dilo has that hunting ability

[sudden hinge]

They should be stronger

[limber hull]

if it's stupid, sure, but if it knows that speed nerf is optional, it won't

the competent ceras literally just got buffed

[vital hazel]

That's simply not true with ceras trot speed. For whatever reason, a long with insane stamina, Cera has a super fast trot speed where it can regain stam above 60% stam

[limber hull]

because the speed nerf is literally just an option they can turn off

[vital hazel]

That means it can catch up to anything very easily

[sudden hinge]

I’m confused you can’t chase anything of the other herbies but dibble trike and stego with charge bite you basically can’t utilize it to hunt unless something chooses to fight you which in 1v1 dibble trike and stego should win I think they should rather buff dibble and trikes mobility then slow it down further

[vital hazel]

Recently I've been playing a bit of carno, you are much faster than Cera sprinting ofc, but God forbid your stamina drops a bit too much and you have to try and run. Even if you sprint super far away, Cera is trotting to you constantly and can find you easily

[sudden hinge]

How do you turn off the speed nerf mutation or just stop charging and then it resets?

[limber hull]

that. If you time it right, you never are nerfed

[livid ember]

Nerf cera in every way possible, enough of ceras of that puke machine

[pliant elm]

Do you know which Dino is most capable of hunting a Trike actually? Dilo? Troodon? Omni? Nah. Cerato xd

[sudden hinge]

That shouldn’t be the case id rather it be a flat speed nerf then

[sudden hinge]

Yeah that’s a mobility problem ceras can just but ride give trike faster attacks and better turn and it’s a non issue

And tone down charge bite damage to like 275

Charge bite has been the issue with cera it’s free of any stam usage so that’s why they can be oppressive with a larger stam drain flat speed nerf and tone down the damage a bit cera won’t be hunting trikes

[night idol]

troodon packs can actually piece up a trike, just takes a while

[pliant elm]

The problem with Cerato is not its mobility is its ability to spam an attack that has damage capable of reaching close to an Apex without the slightest difficulty and consequence (the "nerfs" are ridiculous)

[sudden hinge]

Exactly what I just said lol higher stam drain while using it and tone down the damage and it’s a non issue

[pliant elm]

If I'm not mistaken, a Trike becomes immune to the Troodon's pounce if it sitdown with H

[sudden hinge]

It also is very much a trike mobility issue that makes it susceptible to this kind of predator

It turns like a bus and really shouldn’t

It should be able to move fairly fast in place

[pliant elm]

A higher stam cost is just one part, the speed reduction should be constant as should the stability bonus

[night idol]

cera just has an extremely overtuned kit which makes it really overpowered. they "nerfed" it but then ruined those nerfs by giving it insanely unnecessary buffs. i honestly think they should first start by nerfing the vomit-stunlock bs by adding a delay to the dinosaur that is given bile (they throw up later on rather than the instant that they get bile bitten). it would not only be better gameplay wise but also make sense realistically

[sudden hinge]

Did you read my comment I said all of this lol

[sudden hinge]

There already is for vomit lock you can’t do that anymore

Like you aren’t vomiting a multiple times right away there’s a timer between them

[night idol]

did they get rid of the stun associated with it?

[sudden hinge]

No there is a delay when you puke it’s an animation

[pliant elm]

I didn't read your comment, I replied to the other one at the time

[sudden hinge]

Well I said all of that in my comment

[night idol]

that's a stun.. your dinosaur is forced into an animation where you cant bite or run

[sudden hinge]

Your forced to puke are you saying they should be able to do everything while puking

[night idol]

alright so you cant read, this isnt worth my time anymore

[pliant elm]

Well, it seems fair to me to have a constant speed reduction, a higher stam cost and a damage reduction to 300 for the charge bite, And also make damage mutations not affect Charge bite .

[sudden hinge]

What? Like there needs to be some sort of animation lock for it you can still move while puking

[sudden hinge]

Agreed but also all combat mutations should be canned

They are dumb and break balance

[night idol]

scroll up and read what i suggested @sudden hinge

[pliant elm]

That's true. They must have had this idea about Pot and their builds

Survival mutations are the only ones that should stay

[sudden hinge]

Yeah I don’t agree with you on the vomit portion that’s one of the only ways to deter animals from fighting you the other changes I suggested make cera way more defensive bring it to a stable state

[sudden hinge]

I just don’t play on officials because of them they make it so if you play as teno pachy or cera you have to get those combat perks or surviving is not gunna be good

[night idol]

so you believe that it's balanced for cera to have an extremely powerful bite that also stuns you?

[sudden hinge]

Agreed they are interesting I’d also like species based mutations

[night idol]

while also having damage resistance near bodies, can eat literally anything, and has very good mobility and decent speed?

[sudden hinge]

You aren’t unable to move and with the changes to charge bite they should add it wouldn’t be a problem

[sudden hinge]

It doesn’t have decent speed it’s the slowest land carnivore

[night idol]

being stunned into a vomit animation every couple of seconds while fighting a cerato is balanced to you?

[sudden hinge]

Like if you tone down the damage add a flat speed nerf while using it as well as stam usage charge bite is fine

[sudden hinge]

It’s not every couple of seconds lol there’s literally a timer between piles

*pukes

[night idol]

every couple of bites then?

youre missing the point lmao

[sudden hinge]

The puke is not the issue

[night idol]

then what is

[sudden hinge]

The damage from charge bite without any stam cost is

[night idol]

i never said to get rid of the puking, im pretty sure you still didnt even read my suggestion

[vital hazel]

They're a Cera main who can't accept they play the most braindead, easiest carnivore in the game with literally 0 drawbacks besides being slow in a straight line, I wouldn't sweat it

[night idol]

yeah it's honestly not worth it, like throwing poop at the wall simulator

[vital hazel]

[sudden hinge]

I have been civil as well as fair and understand cera needs nerfs but literally the issue is charge bite damage and stam usage y’all are bringing insults into it can you not have a constructive conversation without resorting to this

[sudden hinge]

Sure it has so what do you mean by no vomit lock like you can attack while vomiting?

[night idol]

christ almighty you still can't get it right

that isn't what i suggested try again

[night idol]

does this not read well or something? it is a small wall of text but i tried to make it understandable

[vital hazel]

You're misinterpreting what Swifty is saying, intentionally or not I can't tell, but Cera needs a heavier nerf than just bite damage or stamina usage

[sudden hinge]

You are suggesting that it’s not a combat related issue but happens later

[sudden hinge]

You didn’t read my suggestion and you’ve been resorting to name calling nearly since the jump lol

[sudden hinge]

It really wouldn’t be a problem anymore with the suggestions I said

[night idol]

well we can agree to disagree, but im a firm believer that fighting something that forces you into a vomit animation every couple of bites is not very interactive and fun

i suggested that it happens later on, not the second you are bitten

because you dont throw up from getting bitten by something, you puke later on from sickness

[vital hazel]

Cera has: insane stamina, a super small turn radius, a very fast trot speed, the largest carnivore smell radius that is 3 times larger than the next carnivore smell radius, natural bleed and fracture resistance, the ability to eat rotten meat and bones for diet, potentially 2x tankier than its actual HP with body buff, a body buff that triggers off their fallen packmates with potential to abuse gastro and their innate cannibalism to eat their fallen packmate to heal with 0 drawbacks WHILE getting tankier, a spammable charge bite that does ridiculous damage while BARELY slowing them down, a normal bite that still does very good damage, a fast swim speed and the ability to alt bite while swimming, bile that makes you insta puke while losing your stomach contents and water and nerfing your stamina while stunning you off just a bite or two, meaning any fight with a Cera leaves you with almost no food or water if you chose to run away, now a stability buff that means carno and teno can't stun you, as well as for whatever reason very quiet footsteps for a 1300kg dinosaur when compared to dilo footsteps.

[sudden hinge]

That only happens with smaller animals which was the point

[night idol]

what? i have no idea what this means or proves

in relation to the conversation

[vital hazel]

Cera is no defensive corpse bullying scavenger, but an offensive tank with almost 0 drawbacks

See my previous message

[eternal moss]

🙏

[pliant elm]

Well, with the changes he proposed, Cerato will become more balanced while still being a scavenger

[vital hazel]

His proposed changes were slightly lower charged bite damage and more stamina usage, does that change anything else related to all the things I listed? It needs to slow down to 35 km/h or more when charge biting to make an actual defensive dinosaur

[night idol]

@sudden hinge i was suggesting that it would make more sense to have the dinosaur puke later on after they are bile bitten instead of puking the instant they are bile bitten. it would make more sense realistically and gameplay wise it would make cera more balanced. ive typed this twice now for you to spell it out i hope it helps

[pliant elm]

He proposed a damage reduction from 350 to 275, a constant 10% speed reduction (from 40 to 36) and a larger than current stam cost increase every 2s (0.20%)

[vital hazel]

I didn't see the speed reduction part, I can get behind those changes but I think it should be slightly slower and some of its other advantages should be toned down, such as bile

Cera just has too much going for it, but I did miss the speed reduction part, my fault

[pliant elm]

This seems very fair to me, Cerato should still be able to defend itself from other carnivores even without a body nearby, with more difficulty obviously.

It's a change that could have been made in the hordtest, but the devs love cerato xd

[vital hazel]

Yeah clearly they do love Cera, and they have only shown they hate pachy #buffpachy

[night idol]

there's a lot of changes that couldve been made in the hordetest, but the devs also love to gloss over

[vital hazel]

I miss old pachy, the old pachy that the old 1800kg carno was scared of

[night idol]

yea it's sad that some playables like pachy are kind of forgotten and havent gotten any love for a while since attention is shifted elsewhere

[barren crater]

holy peak

which version though

launch pachy would nuke you in seconds

[limber hull]

honestly pachy needs a whole rework lol

[mild valve]

@proper bluff have you got foliage physics turned on? Turning that off had a huge impact for me, my was running at 8fps on the horde test at one point and I've got a rtx 4090 super... Give it a go

[lofty mortar]

Anyone else having issues where opening steam overlay in game makes ur graphics card crash? black screne.. happend to me like twice over the last two days.. never before update

[proper bluff]

yes i do, i turned it off as soon as it came out. i have a rtx 4050, i know its not an amazing graphics card but before the update the game worked so much better than it does now

i mean geez, sry i miswrote lol

i dont have it turned on

turned it off as soon as it was added

[mild valve]

Yeah sorry, both me and another player had issues with fps in this iteration of the game and turning off both settings for foliage physics fixed that... Hope they fix it or you find a way to improve it, best of luck

[proper bluff]

Ty, you too

[normal shuttle]

@vestal robin you made that up 😭

omni stam regen is like 3 minutes

[warped remnant]

@humble spear
Would you mind elaborating on what that is/how it works. Dw if you don’t have time I’m just interested

[vestal robin]

Thats not true. 100% fully grown omni use alot of time to regenerate their stamina

[vestal robin]

.

[humble spear]

realting to my lastest feedback request i presume?

[warped remnant]

Yes

[normal shuttle]

slowest stam regens in the game atm are ptera and galli barely above 4 minutes

saying almost 10 minutes for omni is objectively incorrect

also, 3 minutes for staying latched for almost that long doesn't seem too bad

[desert arch]

Last time I tested omnis stam regen time, from 0 to 100 it takes 3 minutes and 10 seconds

[humble spear]

yea I can explain.
Hitscan Hitbox (Current System):
When a dino attacks, the game checks instantly if your crosshair is pointing at a hitbox, no animation timing, no physical trace, just instant detection. This causes unfair hits, especially when someone is visually out of range or already running away.

Hybrid Hitbox (What’s Needed):
Attacks are synced with animations and use a physical trace (like a bite arc or sweep). The server checks if the attack actually intersects a target during the correct animation window, making combat feel fair, skill-based, and less laggy.

Why it matters:
Hybrid fixes 90% of current desync, ghost hits, and range confusion. It brings The Isle’s melee combat in line with how modern games handle close-quarters interactions. @warped remnant

[vestal robin]

Im not sure if thats correct. I just played as a omni today. It took over 10 mimutes to regenerate into full

[normal shuttle]

this is false

[desert arch]

Was your blood low?

[vestal robin]

From clicking «H»

[normal shuttle]

unless you were bleeding badly

[desert arch]

How much blood % you have affects how fast your stamina regenerates

[vestal robin]

Maybe i was bleeding. I dont remember

[desert arch]

So if youre almost dead from bleeding out, youll regen basically 0 stam

[vestal robin]

But it was not that bad with bleeding

[desert arch]

Even if your blood is 50%, which isnt even that bad, that doubles your stam regen time

[vestal robin]

I need to check that out again. Im pretty sure it took very long time to regenerate. I got really annoyed, it is such a small dino, using endless og time to regenerate some stamina

Really shocked me. It’s a big nerf

[warped remnant]

I sadly have no idea how hard this is to implement but it sounds very good. Hitboxes are always a controversial thing when it comes to pvp games and there is so much you gotta account for. But yeah I always thought the hitboxes in general are fine the problem is the desync especially on autohit attacks like carno charge it’s super noticeable.

[humble spear]

yea hybrid would def help a lot with that issue and make the games combat feel more fluid and fair

[normal shuttle]

under normal conditions it is far, far below the 10 minute estimate you posted

[dusky bluff]

efficient digestion dont work? I did a quick test with the petra it took me 3 minutes to get down to 41% nutrition without mutation and guess what... 3 minutes with the mutation

[warped remnant]

@boreal thorn I might be wrong but I thought you don’t need to get the mutations from your parents in order to get the buff. If the mother has the mutation all her children get the buff no matter if they inherited the mutation or not

[boreal thorn]

I know. but a male offspring that "inherited" the mutation wont get the promised mutation since it is a female only mutation. He does get the buff, but not the mutation.

I think as far as i remember the mutation name is called prolific reproduction, thats generalist for both genders

[warped remnant]

Oh I see. I don’t have a problem with making it available to both but it might get a bit out of control then when it comes to powerlevel

Maybe make the male version give you different buffs or something

But we gotta see how strong prolific is in general for now

[boreal thorn]

Kouga already did

its a lifetime boost

[warped remnant]

Oh yeah dw I know how it works we just need data on how popular it is and how many fights are decided by it which is hard to get

[pliant elm]

@midnight pasture I agree with almost everything except Maia being in a good spot before

The current Maia is in a good spot, the old one was absurdly broken in many places: Slow Alt attacks, Bugged stance switching and Lack of Stun in certain attacks

[midnight pasture]

Maia was in a good place just a dino with a skill cap to it. Have to take into account it's a herbi. No herbie should be able to confidently take fights and win them reliably just because they are to strong. Herbi gameplay should be hard, You should feel vulnerable and with this update it's just made herbi players stronger and nerfed Carni dino's into the ground.

[pliant elm]

Playing as Herb shouldn't be hard, Herbs aren't just food for Carni

And no carnivores were nerfed in this update

[midnight pasture]

Well they are herbs are food. && Carni's got nerfed in regards to surviving.

And before adding additional dino's they should be fixing the pre existing ones.

because rn it's just one big bug.

[pliant elm]

The only current issue is that the AIs are getting bugged, but that's not a nerf

[midnight pasture]

Technically is carni can't survive without food.

[pliant elm]

It's a bug, not a nerf xd

[midnight pasture]

herbi has plenty of food locations still

This update should never have been deployed onto Evrima. Was still a good couple months away from ready.

Horde didn't even have 2 good weeks.

Most other dev teams wait like a month before they deploy to live servers.

A month of testing and adjusting. Testing and adjusting.

[desert arch]

Literally every carnivore aside from the 2 ambushers got buffed this update

[pliant elm]

I agree. The only changes that should have come in this update should have been changes to Carno, Troodon and Maia and the Trike. Otherwise, everything should still be in the hordtest to improve.

[midnight pasture]

And buffing a cera that was already OP made no sense.

It's rushed. Very rushed.

[pliant elm]

Yes, the changes to Cerato were in the right direction but were poorly done

They gave him 3 buffs and 2 completely weak nerfs

[midnight pasture]

There's a lot that needs to be worked on already inside the game.

Raptors need a rework.

Troodon I'm not sure on what they thought with that but needs more work.

[pliant elm]

Dilo, Pachy, Cera, Troodon (Juv speed), Maia (Juv speed), all need adjustments still, which should be the focus of the devs

[midnight pasture]

Focus needs to shift. Everything needs to come up to competitive levels and polished before adding.

Dilo is a hidden gem for carni's people complain about it but Dilo's are strong.

But I play raptor which is weak and broken af. So anything else would feel too strong.

[pliant elm]

Instead of focusing on adding the Trike and improving other Playables, they made bushes with ridiculously loud sounds, completely bugged Migrations and a change to the grass and terrain that was unnecessary...

[midnight pasture]

Give it a week once the trike fans are bored the player numbers will show the quality of the update.

Which isn't great.

Servers are already seeing steep dives in what's being used.

Everyone is on trike because it's new and OP. Once they get bored they will try the normal dino's see things are broken and stop playing until a patch drops

[limber hull]

@knotty solar fracture chance isn't, and shouldn't be a thing, that's a legacy mechanic

current fractures are based on individual health pools for each limb type (head, body, leg), so it doesn't feel like you got murdered by RNG

[scarlet prism]

I just wanted to say this and i don't know which channel i should use:
Development has always been slow but the updates were generally high quality if you look at other games.

Looking at the rising player count and how much reach this game currently gets on social media, the isle is in a really good spot. But if you look at the community's opinion a lot of people are really frustrated about the slow development/lack of a proper roadmap more than ever.

I am really happy to see that many people playing this game, but i think if the dev-progress doesn't become faster or if they don't release some update teasers (/roadmap) there is a really big risk that it will start to lose it's hype.
That would be just sad for a great game like this with such high potential.

[hardy vine]

@marble cipher wyd? Like your last Dino? And you made a new one?

[marble cipher]

@hardy vine what do u mean

[hardy vine]

Do you mean that your last Dino died so you made a new one and your eating your last dead body?

[marble cipher]

no no sorry i am tired fixed it

[queen walrus]

@river galleon

just play on petits. why are you playing official

[spring rampart]

Raptor rework, a partial walk back on the Trood speed change, and then a rework of every hitbox in the game. And then add distance volume scaling for the bush sounds.

[polar hornet]

The average queue is 40+

[vernal jacinth]

<@&933486433342222376>

[wintry whale]

@river galleon Please don’t evade the automod’s sweat filter

[gentle lichen]

and i was wondering why my cera had such a weird ugly skin as i was logging in after the update.... now i know.. i got nested with the canni mutation xD

[marble cipher]

but cera is already a canni?

[gentle lichen]

yes. but when u were nested before the update, then it showed up as a 4. muta from your parents. i got to keep my old cera and logged in and ahd that weird color

[marble cipher]

ohh i see

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

people are still sometimes surviving? Nerf it again

[woven bane]

people are overreacting, troodon still does fine

[sudden hinge]

I feel the speed nerf for troodon wasn’t really necessary imo

[pulsar ibex]

The speed nerf doesn’t make sense to me, it’s whole life depends kind of on its speed, else it’s about as threatening as a little rat in the grass

[sudden hinge]

Exactly I feel like it was not necessary at all

[barren zephyr]

When devs skip solving current problems in favor of new content that means they probably can't fix the existing problems. I've periodically checked in on The Isle for a while now and I see the same problems every time. Zero faith it will be more than what it currently is.

[outer cargo]

so, has our bigboy out yet?

[river galleon]

fix herra punce attack

[weary fjord]

its not better on petits my guy there is ai off if the server has high population

[queen walrus]

buddy

the 200 extra players gives you even more food than the ai on official

better yet, you're hunting actual players instead of wonky ai

[weary fjord]

thats a lie and u know it u can scavenge as cera mybe gl finding something as carno its the same as everywhere

[queen walrus]

what?

are you oblivious

[weary fjord]

no im someone who has like 300 h on that server i know how it is u are sugarcoating

[queen walrus]

200 EXTRA PLAYERS.

• turtles & crabs, schools of fish

[weary fjord]

does carno eat crabs and turtles ?

does omni eat crabs and turtles ?

[queen walrus]

• When you're grown and don't need growth rate, you can eat turtles
• When you're about to starve, so you just head to the beach

Also not to mention the dilos that huddle up anywhere turtles are

You're a new player clearly. It's way easier to find food in players in petits, than it is to find food in ai on official

until official ai is fixed

[weary fjord]

u need to get till grown though and heras camp tose spots usually for new or like your avg player its stil lhard to find anything without dying

[weary fjord]

im not new lol petit is one of the best servers there is but its not godlike food fest like u are presenting here

[queen walrus]

You are not good at the game and you're new.
It's easy to find players and sustain yourself as carno/omni/anything when you're on petits. It's not hard what so ever, unless you're in an area of the map that isn't populated

[vital hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-meme-radar-gif-26497624

[queen walrus]

Even so, why the hell would you go to the edge of the map in official to just feed off of AI? What are you, a roleplayer?

[vital hazel]

the guy you called new has been in the discord for over 2 years, you joined a month ago

[weary fjord]

u just suggested to go to the beach for turtles do u even know what u are talking about or are u just a professional yapper

[queen walrus]

Doesn't matter lol

He struggles to survive and find food in a map that has 300 players, where dozens of them are huddled in obvious parts of the map

If not new, then bad

[weary fjord]

i never said i struggle i said its not as good as u are presenting it to be

[vital hazel]

he's right that pp isnt the godlike foodfest you are saying it is though. you can usually find food, but sometimes youre small, everyone is a huge herbi in a megapack and you get screwed

[weary fjord]

this guy gets it

[queen walrus]

• popular sancs in petits are filled with juvies
• dozens of players are huddled up in certain areas of the map
• yes there are large megapacks, but those are adult dinos. you don't depend on adult dinos for food when you're a juvie

Unless you scaveneg

[queen walrus]

If you think that it's harder to find food in petits than in official (in terms of ai in official), you should uninstall. that's just not the case

[weary fjord]

also never said that

[vital hazel]

sometimes you are too big for the sanc, still too small to hunt anything, and without any ai you have to get lucky to find something just your size that isnt in a huge pack or something already dead

[weary fjord]

petis has Social Score killing juvies isnt it my guy

and not everyone has extra 2-3h a day to live off tutrles and crabs

[vital hazel]

youre tripping, i can survive without fail on officials because ive played evrima since release and know where ai spawn and where it doesnt. i sometimes starve on pp because theres 0 ai and sometimes you get unlucky as previously stated

[spring rampart]

Sometimes I miss progression

[queen walrus]

What?

So you think it's easier to find food and eat in petits through players, than it is to find food and eat through AI in official?

[queen walrus]

Killing juvies as a juvie does not put down your social score, i'll make that clear and sound for you next time so you can comprehend

[queen walrus]

Yep you're a roleplayer. You depend on knowing AI spawns, instead of hunting actual players and relying on them for food.
If you're anything else than a deino, you're bad if you're unable to rely on players for food.

But I don't blame you, playercap in officials is doodoo

[weary fjord]

i said it isnt much easier to find food or even better your needed diets on petits that anywhere else even officials !

[weary fjord]

as juvi yes but u have like 60% still to go after juvi what the your solution is to go feed on them turtles and crabs ?

[last heron]

what i need to do to unban

[weary fjord]

says in the (verify yourself)

[last heron]

i cant find this chanel

[weary fjord]

do u remeber the server ?

[vital hazel]

I play both official and pp, stop imagining things I didn't say lmao. You're calling people bad and roleplayers for them saying the lack of AI needs to be fixed, you're quite sad

[queen walrus]

You avoided the question

[weary fjord]

what question ?

[queen walrus]

Do you think it's easier to find food through players on Petits than it is to find food in official, yes or no

[weary fjord]

i would say about the same ofc players are easier to find but its easier to die also lol

[weary fjord]

i sent u their discord i think

[weary fjord]

ai is safer but no ai on petits sadly besides turtles and crabs ofc

anyway i think we should leave this channel for what its meant for u have your opinion i have mine and we disagree thats totally fine

[queen walrus]

You're saying the extra 200 players are AS EASY to find as AI in official?

alright we leave it

[whole dawn]

How long is it gonna be for them to fix the ai problem 😭

[vital hazel]

last time ai was broken like this, it took like 2 months or something

[whole dawn]

No way

[whole dawn]

How

[vernal jacinth]

@ember atlas it’s just restart time

[ember atlas]

Oh ok thanks

[latent olive]

@urban flax he’s doing it again

[indigo gulch]

you'd almost think they are a paid advertiser x)

[warped remnant]

i also think unofficals are mostly better but you are making me not wanna play on them out of spite at this point

[junior nymph]

@wheat rain maybe get the food drain mutation...

[low lion]

thats where they put all the cool thermal vents ofc you should go there 🤣

[junior nymph]

@rapid maple they have one.

they have always had one

its punch

[rapid maple]

well then make them communicate more

[junior nymph]

I mean whenever they do show stuff people just hate it

so I dont blame them

[rapid maple]

sounds like the isle community

im meaning like let us know if they are even seeing the feedback

[junior nymph]

dondi shows elders and the stuff they are working on the community:"Why dont they just work on rex why work on elders" "oh elders are going to ruin the game dude"

[junior nymph]

they do kissen has responded to some saying it is looked at

• it even shows in the changes they give

[vital hazel]

isnt that guy just insufferable lmao. he was trying to call someone new because they wanted the ai to fixed, surprise surprise he joined the discord less than a month ago and the guy he was calling new has been here for 2+ years

[warped remnant]

i just think its annoying that whenever ppl critize officals someone has to interject and tell them how dumb they are for not just playing unoffical

[sour vigil]

there is a hacker birb that killed me with a sthing and l was full 100 l was a triceratops N6

[vernal jacinth]

You need to go to your server’s respective chat channel and read the pinned messages on how to report it. Feedback channels aren’t for hacker reports or unstucks

[dusty oracle]

@crystal trail Apologies for the ping but I thought of a suggestion that I think would really improve the sustainability of juvenile, sub-adult, and adult larger herbivores. So I, and many other people I've encountered, have experienced that there doesn't seem to be very substantial amounts of food provided to hunger and diets when a plant is eaten. All be it, there seems to be plenty of food now within both migration zones and patrol zones with the newest update, but the food doesn't seem to provide enough for hunger and diets in regards to large adult herbivores. My suggestion is to increase the amount of food obtained in both hunger and diets when a plant is eaten to better sustain herds of larger juvenile, sub-adult, and adult herbivores.

[urban flax]

Well he's not exactly an original guy

[limber hull]

i was going to mention that having more food isn't objectively a good thing, but im pretty sure i had that conversation with his alt LMAO

[urban flax]

(It's an alt account)

@tribal scroll That's a cheater, you should report them if you have recorded footage or any extra info on where/when it happened

[tribal scroll]

It was on NA 6 but yeah i have footage

[urban flax]

Then you can tag a server admin on #evrima-na

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message adding allo is gonna magically create counterplay to cerato

[proper bluff]

@digital glade baryonyx is coming to the game

[digital glade]

ik

[digital glade]

@echo spire go to #ai-feedback there is feedback about AI

[echo spire]

1000s of others saying the same as me not surprises

[urban flax]

It's been 2 work days since the update
What do you expect ?

[echo spire]

uhhh a key mechanic of carnis to be fixed...

cant be that hard to fix their spawns fr although it seems the trike getting added n all the new map changes is whats fked it but still why release it to main branch if it was this bad

[urban flax]

Because people were constantly asking for it to be released ?

[echo spire]

or even make it so herbis stop spawning ai around them n make it carnis or increase their pop till its fixed like come on

[echo spire]

lol we been playing for years game was even thrown out and built again get real mate we could have waited an extra week forra playable game

[wooden agate]

i like having ai spawn around herbis sometimes

[echo spire]

or even look at cyberpunk ''Because people were constantly asking for it to be released" n look how bad that turned

[wooden agate]

i like living off deer/goat/hatchling as troodons and ai help with that

[urban flax]

Tell that to the people who spammed the channel asking to release the update

[wooden agate]

but i can agree with some AI fixes

[echo spire]

it was ur agruement jus now bro tf i ain telling no one nothing jus want the damn ai fixed fool

[urban flax]

In both situations people end up mad
I wouldn't be concerned about it if I was a dev

[wooden agate]

the issue is they a) need to be properly identified beyond the fact they exist and b) need to have a properly identifiable solution, have the time put into that solution alongside everything else, etc.

[echo spire]

anyway yall be safe out there its work time for me

[wooden agate]

have fun at work

[echo spire]

yu be safe

[echo spire]

amen

[wooden agate]

plus the AI fixes can really wait until the next HT begins

its in like a week anyway + carnivores can do well without AI

we saw people thrive on No AI servers when they were the only options, it just required a bit of a change of mindset

they should be a largerish priority during that HT but can still wait for HT

[alpine oasis]

@long edge YES PLEASE. I LIKE UR CANNIBAL SUGGESTION

#general-feedback message

[tame jetty]

@copper sparrow what they do to herrera?? I really enjoy playing herrera actually many times (pre-patch)... I wasn't aware they changed something? Please don't say its really bad

[wooden agate]

it got a new latch to help it aim better + can no longer climb/latch at 0 stam

so hypsi can now spit at herrera from the trees and at some point lock the herrera from the trees for a short while

which is good for tree nests

idk i dont see much issue with it

[copper sparrow]

The new latching mechanic doesn't work properly, you randomly will stop gripping and just fall to the ground. I noticed this especially when jumping between trees or trying to rest on branches, but some trees just straight up kick you off now when you try to climb them. The no climbing or latching with 0 stam also feels really bad becuase of the gripping issues. Like say you are running to get in a tree, use your stam to climb a tree and then fall out, repeat 2 - 3 times and now you're out of stam either dead to what was chasing you or you have to rest on the ground.

[queen locust]

@round bay galli has something like that

[tame jetty]

Ugh. Is there anything they didn't break!

[junior nymph]

@dim bane bruh you can fall from so high up and not die

there are paths that you can follow to get places

[scarlet prism]

You're right, they are working on current problems and future content simultaneously but just too slow to satisfy the players that want new content and players that want existing problems fixed i think

[low lion]

Why did they put hordetest on evirma 😡

[quick halo]

From a perspective of about 500h on petit and 1000h carni main player, this is the case for only certain carnis. And it only works for the rest because the player limit is about 2.5-3x the size of officials. And Petit has things like “body drops” to help some species survive, even though it’s not working very well right now after the patch.

Dilos relies heavily on the bots turtle spawn function which is broken right now.
Ptera relies heavily on turtles, crabs and schooling fish which is completely broken
Herrera relies a lot on the same thing.
Deinos are okay in some areas depending on how good the bot works but there is barely none elite fish at all, good crocs know how to navigate around the fish problem but with the new safe drinking spots its completely useless to play croc anyways..

The developers have completely failed in this patch and it’s okay to admit it, no shame in that.
They could be more humble and focus on the actual “current” gameplay, the previous patch worked very well in general. More stuff doesn’t equal better experience sometimes..
so much time of for the developers feels very poorly invested. Many changes made didn’t need to change, someone has to hit the brakes and put priorities straight. Cut off all unnecessary development in order to perfect and save time for changes and fixes that makes it a better game experience

[echo spire]

preach

please devs its even efecting unoffical server gameplay what ever yu did needs to go back or be fixed asap

[indigo gulch]

Let me tell you, deinos are currently also screwed over. North lake, one of the spawns, spawns barely any fish (if any at all, I didnt see any but someone said they had some schooling fish) and I went past the whole river to delta and saw 0 fish. Only corpses of starved deinos.

Only reason I survived

[echo spire]

im surprised this game is rated positive on steam with how poorly the community is treated, the recent update n problems its brung have made me look a little into the game,devs and jus the overall histroy of the isle and if im honest they are jus as bad as bsg and nikita,so sad to see something like this have owners like that

[indigo gulch]

Well 1 because the community simply can’t be pleased. 2 the patches that are good are really good.

For instance, deino mains (my main) cannot be pleased. Aside from fish increases, every buff to deino is a painful experience for everything else

[echo spire]

i think the community of ogs could be if they jus started fixing stuff some of us are 10years waiting

[indigo gulch]

Deino players want less safe places to drink because that way they can hunt more, while others obviously do NOT want that

[dawn snow]

Hey guys,
Could you guys help me to give a real world feedback and any opinions regarding on my new Gaming laptop.
I bought 2 days ago Msi Crosshair 16HX AI
Cpu: Intel Core Ultra 7 255HX
Gpu: RTX 5060 8GB
Ram: 16GB DDR5
Display: 2560×1600, 240HZ QHD+

[echo spire]

idk man i think the ai fix would be a good start n then maybe the hitboxes when running around so we stop falling of the tiny hills ingame maybe then they could fix the water n how many places yu cant drink from like bro theres so many small things they could try that i bet would satify hella ppl,but instead it seems they dont even listen to us at all.

[elfin willow]

@languid flint great idea but I don't think it will stick unfortunately. I think it's ludicrous the current mods/admins have had to sign NDA's and it's purely volunteer work. Paid shifts is the way to go - atleast SOMETHING will be done if that is the case.

[latent olive]

@azure pond brother you literally have those roles right now

[azure pond]

However they don't do anything

[latent olive]

they do, they just dont get used

[junior nymph]

phase 3 does stuff

[azure pond]

I see, never realized that we have the roles because they barely use em

I rephrased it

I'll just say they're very inconsistent about using their roles

[cold halo]

buff fishie ai and add more fishie and add more ai on land pwease

i wanna see lil dino ai :3

not a modern deer or goat

[spring rampart]

Bring back scavenger compies 💔

[icy lion]

@cobalt flax Check the pinned messages in the official server channels such as #evrima-na to see how to report hackers. Regrows can be offered if evidence of the death is provided

[spring rampart]

@fallen sky I could be misremembering, but you should be able to hold off choosing that second mutation all the way up until the 3rd mutation becomes available. I know the 3rd slot is available forever until you choose one. Or was Cannibal a 1st slot mutation?

[fallen sky]

I know. Even when i waited until 99% grown i couldnt get the meat in time.

[spring rampart]

Ah, rip

What about repeatedly overeating to the point of vomiting, and continuing to eat? Faster than gastroliths.

[fallen sky]

There was no salt lick nearby. I even tried eating the body after it rotted but i dont think rotten meat counts since the muscle spasms went away pretty quickly.

[topaz crane]

@crude cape #general-feedback message I love this idea, The NV also takes some of the colour out of everything (as it should) so you miss how pretty the game actually is.

[crude cape]

I do think the game is wayy to dark in general, hence why people use nv during the day

[stable crow]

Yeaa I agree ^

[topaz crane]

Depending on the area, but yeah I agree.

[grave iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324737703127945370/1380649230464585748/ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[spring rampart]

There's like a 5 minute window during daytime when I don't use NV

[sage cape]

At this point it seems they have a financial backer that loves cera and herbies and hates carno and deino. There is no other explination for how bad the direction of this game is going.

[raw hedge]

Carno got buffs though, Deino has more speed and Lunge distance, I think people are reacting a bit harsh, because Idk why everyone is upset about things getting buffed before allo and rex come in.
Herbies got reworks and needed buffs/nerfs.
Cera is buggy, but meh.
Its about matchups. I dont think a survival game needs every fight to be "fair"
Maybe now things will run from carnis and prioritize escape vs making everything about combat.
Not to mention the buffs to pouncers!

[mint helm]

Oh i just saw your video about hunting a stego as a troodon

[raw hedge]

XD
What did you think?

[mint helm]

Insane skillz keep up the good work

I was wondering how there was no deinos in that delta

That would have been great meal for any deinosuchus really

[raw hedge]

I think its just the AI issue, Too many players I think rely on AI to grow, instead of trying to hunt juvies as a juvie.
Trying to slow grow or grow on ai just isnt possible right now.
But I think it will level out once the player count on Trike etc changes. Everyone is playing the big stuff.

[mint helm]

I'm a deino main and it's impossible to grow without either hunting other crocs or getting REALLY lucky and find another juvie dino

Hey when do you stream?I'd like to join your streams

[raw hedge]

I don't stream on twitch or anything rn,
My schedule is too inconsistent unfort, But I stream in discord with buddies that can't play the game at the moment or for people that are just checcking it out.
Might try to do streams in Discord once I get my server up again

[raw hedge]

❤️

[mint helm]

Alright

Such a coincidence to find you here xd

[raw hedge]

Oh I am an active complainer and devils advocate on here lol!
I love this community and the game, so I try to be as active on here as I can be!

[mint helm]

When it comes to being a devil advocate to the complaints about this game there's always a good reason!

But ig we can't do nothin about it

[raw hedge]

Not true!
I think the devs do listen and hear about feedback, but alot of it comes down to whether the game should be combat or survival focused, which is why alot of people complain about some reworks and changes.
But talking with the community helps everyone understand the current and future states of the game
I pray Dondi sees my Troodon BS XD

[mint helm]

I hope they'll address the issue with the AI in the devblog, or else I will quit this game for quite a while even if I love it.Or i could try playing herbis aswell

[hearty horizon]

so a running sim?

[hidden mist]

@proper bluff (sorry for the ping, probably, for some reason I don't see the button to turn it off?). That's an incredible loss of fps, damn lol... What GPU do you have? From your fps while looking down I suppose something like 3080 or 4070...

#general-feedback message for whatever reason I feel ethereal calmness with such biomes. Really wish it was on the map just like that...

[raw hedge]

I mean, its not like the game should reward passive players all the time ig. The ai and player spread rn is annoying for most players, but running sim?
Just in terms of overall travel or?

OH, Might've been talking about running sim as in running from everything? Like being encouraged to run vs fight? Hope I'm getting you now lol

[proper bluff]

i have a rtx 4050. not amazing but it does the job for every game i want to play. well, not every...

[raw hedge]

I got a 1080 from 2015 XD

[proper bluff]

but i readjusted the settings and optimized it and now i have an average of 60-70 fps. still not super good but more playable than 30

[proper bluff]

well as long as it works good with games you want to play then dont upgrade

when it starts to show its age then it might be the time

[raw hedge]

I have noticed that if you reapply setting in the game the performance drops, Think it might just be an older card thing.
I have only had to rethermal/clean it once.
They are workhorses man. If I do up, what would you suggest?

[proper bluff]

well, im not an expert, but i'd choose some of the more powerful gpus, like 3080, 4090, 4070, or even the newest ones (everything is mostly about what price you can afford)

if some of those cards are wrong choices then mb, im not an expert at this stuff

[raw hedge]

Sweeeeet.
Still great info anyways, so I can do additional research as needed!
Thanks man

[rare pawn]

I'm getting roughly 80fps on my 4070.

[proper bluff]

no problem amigo

[proper bluff]

as long as the game is playable then its good

[forest quartz]

@barren zephyr I've been telling this in feedback for years. Small creatures that has little to no effect on the balance of the ecosystem should not be designed with the same mind as a Ceratosaurus/Allo/Rex/Diablo. These playables have to provide something else than the more capable dinosaurs otherwise no one will pick them and ultimately it will turn out to be a waste of money and time. Beipi, Ptera and other smalls ( which as little impact) should be completely free of the shackles of the very impactful playables. Devs aren't doing this as you can see, because Ptera is held back by this nonsense for years now and you can see this type of bad mindset when beipi's breaching height and swimspeed got nerfed 💀 These 2 playables could be invincible and still would not impact the ecosystem lmao

[barren zephyr]

WRONG.

HYPSI IS BROKEN, BUFF CERATO FOR THE FIFTEENTH TIME IN A ROW.

[raw hedge]

#Dryoburrows amiright?
I hope that more envirmental interactions get added to the game, but its still in a slow stage since most of the community wants new dinos, not a full experience imo

[raw hedge]

Hypsi 1v1 rex or at least should

[forest quartz]

yes

[barren zephyr]

I totally agree by the way

[forest quartz]

Like if Ptera and beipi gets really good, the only danger that comes with is that you will actually see them more often instead of once a year.

[barren zephyr]

It’s just so annoying to experience these limits on tiny stupid animals that nobody’s gonna even play anyways

Remember Dryo’s dodge had like a 10 sec cool down before you could dodge again 💀💀💀💀

[forest quartz]

😭

[barren zephyr]

Or how they nerfed Beipi’s water boost because it was too.. fun???????

[forest quartz]

yes

Same with breaching.

The best is that some players are enforcing the devs in this behaviour. When ppl who absolutely doesn't play Ptera says it's fine 😭 bro ptera is about 95% of gliding

thats so passive and bad from a design decision that its incredible there are people who actually prefer this over a more active design

I mean I don't really consider myself a player who plays a lot with smalls, I just don't get it why would you not make something fun if it carries no risks.

[proper bluff]

nah but seriously, cera didnt need a buff. its the strongest land carni (currently) and they are buffing him even more. yes it needs to have something that will make it good when bigger carnivores get released, but changes like that should come when the bigger carnis RELEASE. not way before because that makes ceras even more annoying to deal with untill there will be something to control its population (rex, allo). cera mains sure are happy and will disagree with the unnecesariness of the buff, but we all know that cera should've just gotten the bacteria nerf it got (getting it only from rotten corpses) and not that stability buff which makes it super anoying to fight against (dibble still does the job normally, but teno struggles heavily now)

[barren zephyr]

They have a thing for “underdogs”

Cerato will never be fairly balanced

[proper bluff]

how is cera an underdog (if thats what you mean)

[barren zephyr]

It’s what they perceive it to be

[proper bluff]

carno is an underdog now, even after the buffs it allegedly has gotten

[proper bluff]

well they're wrong then

[proper bluff]

deleting its stability buff and leaving the bacteria refilling (as it is now), thats all it takes to balance it

but idk why devs keep buffing the strongest carnis and nerfing the weaker dinos

[amber vigil]

@hollow mirage #general-feedback message idk about this, i was fighting dibbles as carnos and it seems balanced

maybe stun duration could be lowered a bit

[hollow mirage]

I used to play Dibble as my main Dinosaur. Now it feels kinda ruined.

Also I guess Dibble needs a nerf again in attacks

[amber vigil]

ye but without this, it can spam stun

[amber vigil]

could be the solution idk

[hollow mirage]

simply there should be a longer cooldown

[hollow mirage]

The double hit shouldn't be able to be done in sparring like it was in the past

It is a way to fast attack to hit one target and does a lot of dmg.

[amber vigil]

i agree but for now, if there is no cooldown, you take WAY TOO Much damage + broken hitboxes

[hollow mirage]

A solo Cera has no chance to stand again against me now. But if I run into two or even more I am more or less doomed.

[hollow mirage]

Well the Hitbox should have been fixed long ago. It just got worse with trike

[amber vigil]

should be the case ? how long a dibble takes to grow ?

[amber vigil]

i have a feeling that the devs are cooking now

[hollow mirage]

around 3 hrs

with perfect diet

[amber vigil]

k

[hollow mirage]

How ever, I wouldn't mind a reduice in dmg and a longer cooldown to stuns

[wooden agate]

ngl i prefer diablo's release control scheme rather than what we have now

[hollow mirage]

That be actually great. But seriously, the attacks before the update were much better to handle, imo

[amber vigil]

2 good cera should be able to take a down a dibble if they play well, the problem is taht cera is op actualy

[wooden agate]

its like every change to diablo sparring makes it a little worse to control

[hollow mirage]

They are easily doing this.

[wooden agate]

idk what peoples problem is with ptera this update tho, ive been having an amazing time with the updated flying

[amber vigil]

that's what i am saying, cera should be more powerful only around corpses

[wooden agate]

was able to take out a pretty large (40ish%) cerato due to the better turn rate, feels gud

[amber vigil]

nah this is worse than before

[wooden agate]

tbf i didnt have issue with pteranodon before either

landing becomes a rarity the moment you know how to manage stamina

[hollow mirage]

If you don't find an upstream, you must rest in the next higher ground a long time for more stam

[wooden agate]

i like my little scavenger that sometimes becomes a menace

[amber vigil]

ye but new animation to fly is worst than the one we got, and the speed makes no sense now, it get way too fast really quick after take off then become slow asf, and momentum isnt here anymore

[wooden agate]

yah but its not that long and thats really pteranodons only challenge in life, innit

other than food but thats like.... everything's challenge lol

[wooden agate]

yarg i agree with the momentum

id like to see us able to dive and swoop again

[hollow mirage]

yeah that would be great

[wooden agate]

i do like the new takeoff though

feels more uhhh

fluid? or maybe versatile

[hollow mirage]

yeah the new take off is awesome

[wooden agate]

theres a word im looking for

.... natural

idk man

[amber vigil]

@livid raven seems normal

[shy fox]

@terse isle yes genuinely it's such an odd decision. I found myself losing a lot more stamina than I usually do while flying from Sanctuary Bridge to Swamp to SP, had to make around 4 stops, whereas before I would be able to make the trip on one stamina bar. I've played PT so much that its controls are like second nature to me, and I genuinely thought I was just washed and lost my skill. Turns out, no. Apparently we as the community of this game need to have ANOTHER buff to the most overtuned playable in existence, while dishing out yet another nerf to a playable everyone's been complaining about for years now. It is SO strange

[terse isle]

I was so annoyed lol, I made it to Delta Dam then was like, " you know what, F this"
Nosedived to die and logged.

[shy fox]

I just don't understand the design philosophy behind most decisions made when balancing this game. Sometimes it feels like changes are made to utterly maximise misery for certain subsects of the playerbase because the lead dev has some nebulous beef with a playable he decided to add to this game. I remember hearing a take from either Don or someone else on the team that PT is apparently just a glorified freecam that doesn't contribute to the ecology of a server, which is entirely true, but instead of adding more ways that this character can interact with a server it just seems like they keep adding more and more mechanics that are completely dettached from the rest of the game.

[terse isle]

Yeah I was complaining about it to a friend that doesn't play and he asked "was PT like, really strong or something"

I'm like, No, its basically a sight seeing dino, idk why they would do this.

[shy fox]

PT's core issue is that exists outside of the ecosystem

Instead of adding more ways for it to interact with the environment they just keep walking in circles and spending money on developing mechanics only accessible by flyers, of which I believe there will only be two, unless they already scrapped Quetz like they did with the snake

[wooden agate]

quetz is still coming

[shy fox]

PT flies around too much and almost never lands, so the other players can't kill it and eat it, therefore a PT is taking up a server slot without meaningfully contributing to other players' expefience. That is the core problem.
The solution would be to give it reasons to land that aren't "hey my stamina bar ran out guess I can leave my computer for 5 minutes while it regenerates stamina". I've been saying for years that they should make this animal a scavenger

[shy fox]

Well hoping the quetz experience isn't nearly as depressing as this one

[icy lion]

That's exactly what they're working on

Ptera's rework isn't nearly complete

[terse isle]

I've had this idea where PT should be able to grab stuff like Deino, like something 75% less weight than you, it would drain stam, but you'd be able to lift them up and drop them to kill them

[wooden agate]

considering half the community just wants big scary bird to pick up and fly away with gallis, it'll undoubtably be better recieved than pteranodon

[shy fox]

Gosh honestly I've playing for been ten years already, seems like things are never complete

[icy lion]

@exotic atlas Check the pinned messages in the official server channels such as #evrima-na to see how to report hackers

[exotic atlas]

Thank you

[shy fox]

We can only wait and see

Right now every single bird change has been discouraging me not from playing the bird itself, but the game in general

But hey at least the hypsi changes are fantastic lol

[terse isle]

That's how I felt. Just logged out and didn't have much interest in trying a different dino

[shy fox]

Sadly true

I'm yet to try troodon though, I think that one might be pretty banging with the pounce buff

[wooden agate]

its so peak and no amount of malding over juvie troodons speed will change it

despite how the cursed #general-feedback may feel

((i do think troodon has it far harder now but i dont really dislike that. you grow back into a decent speed really quickly, plus with all the new diet options, you can get your growth kickstarted by pretty much anything))

[shy fox]

Sounds exciting

[wooden agate]

and then with adult troodon pounce changes, yer just a menace

ground fog, fog fog, draining stam while on them, can STAY on them continuously for 4 minutes (actually insane)

you can quite literally take a pteranodon plane from SP to west rail as troodon and still have stamina to spare

[shy fox]

The ptera will run out of stamina before the troo does

[wooden agate]

ngl with pounce's stam drain yah i wouldnt be shocked

[shy fox]

Wouldn't need the pounce drain, trust me lmao

[river galleon]

why are foot steps so quiet now

[earnest goblet]

@tough flume this would enable people to mute rain completely giving them a giant advantage over players who have the rain sound on by getting to hear them and not be heard by them

[candid quiver]

there should be a set grow period for each species. If you had max 300% growth for the whole period your dino would be the maximum size for that species. If you had poor nutrients during this time you would end up as the minimum size for an adult of that species. I think this would be a more impactful use of nutrients.

[pliant elm]

This is Elder

[candid quiver]

ohhh right on I didnt know there would be more growth during that phase

[random mirage]

As a 600 hour PT main, troodon was such a treat to play a couple days ago

[vernal jacinth]

@dawn goblet cause it’s restart.

[flint phoenix]

Has anyone else experienced a severe drop in framerate since the update?

Moving through thick forested areas, I've dropped to 2 frames per sec and it wasn't ever that bad before the update. I had some areas were it would drop to 8 or 9, but never 2. and now it's anytime I enter a forested area. Open plains, not so bad, normal frames

[shy fox]

👀👀👀

[pliant elm]

@mortal parrot I would agree before, but the new fog for Troodon's venom helps him a lot both solo and in a group

[mortal parrot]

In Solo yes, in groups not so much

And that is the problem, Troodon is not meant to be a Solo hunter

[pliant elm]

Troodon is covered in Fog now, and I really like that

[pliant elm]

Well, if you think about it that way, gameplay with Troodon would be extremely boring, requiring a group even though you are not a threat to almost anything

Well, that's as long as the other person knows how to play

[pliant elm]

not*

[mortal parrot]

Troodon is intended to hunt small things in small groups or solo which is easy without the fog, Troodon is meant to hunt in large groups as it is a group reliant hunter

[pliant elm]

Troodon is a hunter of large prey, just like Omni

[mortal parrot]

Omni is also a group reliant hunter, just less

The changes I suggested would make Troodon fights more interesting and fun for both sides

[untold thistle]

Yes. But usually it happens when multiple players are running though bushes.

[flint phoenix]

I was by myself. There was only one other person with me, but they were far ahead of me when my frames dropped to 2

[junior nymph]

Do you have physic foliage on?

[flint phoenix]

I'm not sure

[junior nymph]

||but yeah theres a drop in FPS||

[junior nymph]

check

[flint phoenix]

Will probably do so tomorrow and see if the update changed my graphics settings automatically

[untold thistle]

The Troodon ground fog is a crucial improvement. Its the laziest and least imaginative option but its something. I 100% should have been a stamina or thirst drain but the devs took the dumbest option available and went with it.

I would be more annoyed but I played PT yesterday and man... that thing SUCKS so hard its embarrassing.

[junior nymph]

@hazy cloak heres the thing right. Its not about BUFFING carnis its about getting the things that are on par with things like maia and dibble AKA allo and alberto. DW we will be getting a lot more carnivores soon

[mortal parrot]

Yeah, Troodon lacks a unique mechanic to help it stand out more

[raw hedge]

So the damage multiplier and increase bleed isn’t “unique”?
It’s more about QOL for Troodons. Dilo got a better venom off rip, and now that Troodon venom actually helps with attacks.
I don’t see how the fog is a uniqueness issue

[mortal parrot]

Everyone ignores the other stuff I say and just go towards the uniqueness issue I have with it

Troodon never needed to be harder to see, it was already one of the most evasive playables in the game

It just ruins the group reliant playstyle it was intended to have

[raw hedge]

But you shouldn’t force all troodon players to work with 3-5 other players. What really made it possible is the new stamina rework imo.
The troodon should not be about pack play, the troodon should be about using venom to even the playing field against everything else.

Nothing should be forced to play in a group to have fun.

[mortal parrot]

I say group reliant as in its most effective way to do something, not that it should be impossible for small groups. Like needing to bait attacks to create an opening for your group members

Like how can my group bait alt attacks for others if they can't see where we are coming from

@raw hedge I'm not saying Troodon should be group reliant for everything, like 2-3 taking on something Dilo sized is reasonable

Troodon is suppose to rely on a group to have an easy time getting pounces when hunting large things but the fog and other hallucination effects makes it irrelevant

[raw hedge]

I actually think the fog makes it easier to bait!
Now you can use sound cues, F calls etc. even just jumping nearby or pouncing opposite of where they are looking.
It could also just be play style honestly cause I’m having a blast

But I’m used to being solo

[mortal parrot]

But using calls isn't as useful since they can just be bluffs, and because the fog covers the ground you can't just do a bluff pounce to bait alts to create openings, its just hope that your prey does a random alt

[raw hedge]

Just miss a pounce on purpose!
Just being visible all of a sudden makes them look!
Think outside the polyhedral box !
Troodon now has mobility, it can pounce over attacks too!

I am spending stam like a mad man though,

[mortal parrot]

The pounce change is great, i've been suggesting that they reduce it for months, keeping chases were nearly impossible

[raw hedge]

💯

I think there’s a lot of great changes made, but because it’s forcing a lot of playstyle change it’s causing issues.

[mortal parrot]

It fixed my main issue with Troodon that it couldn't stay active for very long and needed to sit out after like 5 pounces

For a tap pouncer

[raw hedge]

Right!
Now we are rewarded for the pounce instead of punished 😂

[mortal parrot]

Yeah, honestly I thought that was the only thing that was really needed for Small group play since now you can pounce as much as a full group with like 3 people before

Now its actually possible to hunt Subs or things that are naturally just fast

[mortal parrot]

Yeah, before you would lose at least 5-7% for a single pounce, now its 2.5% which is amazing

And the 5 second time to dismount is great since you aren't pressured to just jump off as soon as possible to keep stamina

[raw hedge]

And staying on drains the targets stam too!

[mortal parrot]

That's always been a thing, but now its easier to do

[raw hedge]

The drain is ridiculous though, it can drain a stego stam to 0 in under 30 seconds

Bucking will be more important now

[mortal parrot]

If it doesn't do that itself then yeah

[raw hedge]

XD fair

[mortal parrot]

The increased stamina cost depending on venom stage was planned at some point and imo would have been a much better debuff for Troodon

It would benefit both small and large groups but benefit larger groups the most, it would make fighting more interesting as both sides would be pressured on when to attack instead of just the Troodons

[hazy glade]

@median sparrow Weather is meant to be loud, it's meant to be an advantage, to make it hard for others to hear the noises you make. Having a seperate volume control for weather, people will lower it, removing that advantage.

[mortal parrot]

Reminded me of this idea someone had #general-feedback message

[hazy glade]

i like that idea, for clear nights

[mortal parrot]

Also someone did suggest that instead of rain being loud that it should just cause everything else to be quieter

[median sparrow]

Not to the point it's the*** only*** thing you hear, why am I deaf in the middle of a thunderstorm in the middle of the day

[hazy glade]

you could always turn down the volume, thats what I do. then increase it again after the storm stops.

i mean, turn down your pc/headphone volume

[hazy glade]

that can work too, just not a weather volume slider, people would abuse it and play it on minimum

[mortal parrot]

Yeah, instead of rain being loud having it sound normal and making every other sound quieter would be better

[hazy glade]

ye

[dim bane]

dude Troodon implements were a bad call. The thing gets 1 shot by everything, it's not a threat to anything as a juvie, no one ever really even plays it, but it relies on LARGE numbers. You can't solo anything FG as a FG Troo. You're gonna be out of stam and they'll just 1 shot you. You gotta do something better, it was literally one of the best dinos you had

[halcyon wolf]

Are devs aware of how easy it is to get hacks for this game?! =/

[vale needle]

Ever since new update ive seen a lot more hackers lol

[dusky bluff]

restart?

[junior nymph]

ive seen a lot less

[halcyon wolf]

A quick google search will show you how prevalant these cheats are, and how easy they are to download; its insane. Some of them promise "same day update as patchday" - how could they do that do you think? Are they just more active than the developer team? More experienced? Do the hack developers have dev kit?

[junior nymph]

i never said it wasnt easy to get them lol

I just said ive seen alot less

ik its literally a breeze to get them but then again its also super easy to bypass easy anticheat

@velvet stag yes.

[velvet stag]

folo that is not wat i wanted to hear 😦

[halcyon wolf]

I wasn't specifically addressing you

[dusky bluff]

Does feeling (q) underwater with the deino do anything?

[junior nymph]

the no knockdown is a bug

if thats what you are going to say

[gentle lichen]

@storm cedar #general-feedback message

And what the hell is the troodon supposed to eat if its even harder? Why does nobody think of the small dinosaurs. Especially babies

[gentle lichen]

Idk what diet you talking about over half of the diets is not spawning because it either got removed from the list. Raptor or boar for example or it is not spawning, frogs for example or its to fast. Which is legit EVERYTHING on that list. You cant even take organs out because ure just to small. That change was bs. It already was a pain in the butt killing something as a freshspawn teood before the update. Now its even more insane and doesnt work at all.

I wad troodon main before the update. I just basically threw it in the trash. Pounce might be nice but youre a oneshot to basically everything and then this pain starts from the beginning because you starve and starve and starve.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @gentle lichen teno isn’t free food, you can run away if u don’t want to fight it yk

[indigo gulch]

I mean that and teno isn’t bad at all

It’s just cerato being an issue, once again 😅

[rotund fractal]

@west tapir wrong chat, that was general feedback

[west tapir]

sorry!

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message
We're getting: Being eaten/gored alive, generation 1 "humans", the eyeless, the reaper, many other strains, the human experience, amongst others. The Isle will be getting plenty horrific.

[gentle lichen]

Either teno buff or cerato nerf . Shiet is insane like this. Cant even protect ur babies

[storm cedar]

Well, I forget to say my idea also needs the implementation of the carnivores sanctuary, and anyways, yeah, you could hunt small thinks as a small carnivore like chickens, rabbits, crabs, frogs, etc...
But u can't eat it if it doesn't spawn, my idea is that the IAs will be always there, but u will need a little bit of ability (or use the sneaky mode) to hut the AIs, not just bite a piece of meat running

[urban flax]

They're 100x more numerous and they don't sleep

[storm cedar]

I'm a Troo main since one month ago, and my main problem is that, the small IAs don't exciting

[hidden pilot]

small ai does exist, just not frequently enough. Hopefully, once we get the new small AIs, current ones like frogs will get looked at

[storm cedar]

Exactly, I think a good solution is putting them in a place where u know they are (by pz or a scent system), but making them hard to hunt to prevent the player just abusing

[hidden pilot]

I know amarok was trying to fix frog navigation so they actually stay near water and will flee to water

[storm cedar]

Amen

[raw hedge]

The AI already have some updated behavior, dear have been the only consistent AI. I’ve been able to find for troo unless I’m by West rail. Lots of rabbits and chickens on SP beach and near it too

Their lack of spawning is displeasing lol, but it’s just enough to get you fg

[limber hull]

troodon is absolutely one of those animals you hope for a nest for

an early headstart with a pack/food can get you through that rough juvi stage

[raw hedge]

It definitely is much more laborious to get food as a bb Troo, but I don’t mind it. I have been having fun with it lol.

The changes are so nice overall.

[limber hull]

i agree, i love troo, and yea, the juvi stage is ROUGH, but the animal massively picks up in the sub stages

honestly i kinda wish it had venom from the getgo. It's so slow and squishy that being hunted by a juvi troo is kind of your fault

[storm cedar]

OMG CALC_OLATER, love ur videos

[bitter dove]

@quartz meteor in theory that sounds like a good idea, but what if you're the herbivore defending yourself from another Herbie and end up killing the canni ? How would the game know you're the herbi defending yourself and not the aggressor

You'd end up white just because you've defended yourself a few times from cannis

[storm cedar]

I have been surviving with bb trikes in the sanct

[raw hedge]

❤️
Glad you loved the video!
I'll be doing one to help troo players find ai and grow

[gentle lichen]

It does exist at least chicken and rabbit, but you cannot catch it because its to fast

[raw hedge]

fun fact, Pounces are effective forms of travel!
faster than sprinting XD

[gentle lichen]

Doesnt help for hunting lol

[storm cedar]

niceeee

[storm cedar]

Yeah, but not as much as one player will need, or maybe we just need a way to find them

[raw hedge]

The pounce does about double your bite force on impact alone.

Surprisingly useful rn to hunt ai

[gentle lichen]

Ofc but traveling whil hunting doesnt help.

[raw hedge]

Its funny tho!

[gentle lichen]

Also for pouncing you gotta reach it first. Like i said i was troodon main. I know how to play it

[raw hedge]

I've had no real issues with getting food or killing ai, deer don't even out run you until you get to sub.

[raw hedge]

The ai now spawn closer to players, so you have to cover a bit more ground and listen heavy to sound cues

[storm cedar]

It felt like that in ht, but rn idk, lets wait to see what devs make

[hearty horizon]

yea pretty much but tBF this game is pretty much a walking sim when you cant find AI and your to small to go to hot spots and fight for food

cus there is always 1 person who is killing everything and eatting nothing

hyper agressive players are the norm in this game already i mean even the herbis greif kill for no reason

[storm cedar]

The hyper agressive players don't last so much time alive xd

And agro herbs r normal

[quartz meteor]

Well that is why I suggested like a counter of some sort. I’d say maybe 2-3 max, because if you’re just defending yourself, in theory you shouldn’t have that many herbie kill counts on you. Although I do see where you’re coming from and where it could potentially become tricky. Or they could add a system that tracks who attacked who first.

[hearty horizon]

BS everytime im at SP i see a group of cernis killing everything that steps out the bushes

[elfin willow]

@broken knoll This. I feel like diablo has a good range of colors but all the trikes I have seen are ALL white, grey, and black, with orange crest. 😭

[indigo gulch]

Cuse it looks cool :3

[broken knoll]

I was so majorly disappointed when I opened trike creation for the first time. I tend to make my herbis green for decent camouflage so yeah I was disappointed to say the least.

[indigo gulch]

But more colours is always appreciated

[elfin willow]

I don't care how good your muts are. I refuse to take an egg w/ both parents being white and black. So unoriginal and horrid cammo. 😭

[elfin willow]

Yeah, I don't play diablo much but have been trying to grow one and the camo options for diablo are great! Idk why they didn't give trike the same color options since they are both ceratops. I know they said they wanted to 'limit colors' after releasing maia but reminds me of old the isle/legacy where you get 4 color choices for one part of your body. :(

[broken knoll]

nah even legacy ones were better

I used to make a game out of seeing how awful a colour combination I could make and I had way more options

[elfin willow]

true, i just meant the color options were so limited (atleast compared to other dinos). trike needs way more variety.

[indigo gulch]

Tbf I dont have that issue

Cuse I play camo deino

and no one nests deinos

Well, barely

But yeah I get your issue.

[elfin willow]

I just meant it is a personal preference and one I have run into when nesting tenos. Last time I nested someone literally asked "are you black and white? if so, no thanks". 😭 I just like having the option to have variety - even teno has atleast a good array of brown colors to pick from but if you pick a white underbelly, lord you are basically all white as a baby/juvie.

[elfin willow]

everyone want them egggssss. how are you fairing after the update?

[indigo gulch]

Suffering

I use camo so I dont sit in SP or west rail access. But delta is devoid of any AI that isn’t stuck in rocks

Only reason I got to a solid 35% is cuse of starved deino corpses :/

[elfin willow]

dang. like i was saying in na channel, i saw 2 adult deinos in [REDACTED] the other day in my mz

[indigo gulch]

Must be the only adult deinos around x)

[elfin willow]

I've only seen 3 so far, all adults. they must be logging frequently tbh to avoid starving at times

[indigo gulch]

yeah

I hate sitting in the ponds 24/7 cuse it doesn't satisfy the stalking experience of deino for me, but roaming around usually just leads to starving :/

[elfin willow]

completely fair tbh. really unfortunate/

[dusky bluff]

one more pfffff

🖕

[hidden pilot]

skill issue I think

[pliant elm]

Playing as Deino after the update got even worse xd

[bitter dove]

1. In my own experience playing herbi, 70% of the time you run into cannis, so that counter would have to be way higher (which kinda defeats the purpose of the white skin) and
2. If you wait for the canni to attack you first , that can be the difference between life or death (take stegos for example, where 3-4 hits is enough to kill another stego). When I see a canni running at me, you bet I will turn around to defend myself and probably land a hit first.
   This the same reason they have a really hard time implementing a mixpack system, it's very easy to abuse.

[vivid ruin]

Yeah I've never understood the point of deinosuchus existing when the devs have added fool proof safe drinking spots

[quartz meteor]

Literally. At this point just remove it.

[urban flax]

Safe drinking spots are necessary until deino gets reworked
Also 'safe' drinking spots won't remain safe forever, deino isn't the only threat around water spots

[vivid ruin]

Necessary why? There's no 'safe' about them they are completely safe from deino attacks and there's so many of them that you never need to contest them from other people

[urban flax]

Because players need to have a way to survive in a survival game, and drinking in safe spots is the only way to survive against the existence of deino

[vivid ruin]

Then what's the point of deinos

[urban flax]

As it is right now ? Not much really
It's just a map knowledge check and a snoozefest for everyone involved

[vivid ruin]

Pretty much, growing a deino was the worst mistake I ever made most boring gameplay I've ever experienced

[indigo gulch]

Tbf just drink in hard to see spots

[urban flax]

But with a proper rework deino could become an actual threat and scary factor when nearing the water

[indigo gulch]

It already is tho. That’s the problem

[urban flax]

No ?

[vivid ruin]

Idk how they could ever balance deinos without completely removing their instakill ability but that kinda removes their entire purpose

[indigo gulch]

Yes?

[urban flax]

What's scary about needing to know where to drink otherwise you die ?

[indigo gulch]

You picked one of the two examples you gave, I picked the other one

It IS a threat

[urban flax]

Until you learn the map

[indigo gulch]

Yeah to drink safely and avoid it

[urban flax]

Then it stops being one
Just an annoyance

It's not good design in any way

[indigo gulch]

If you go out of your way to avoid it, it means it is a threat to you enough to consider other options

[urban flax]

I need to go out of my way to avoid walls too
Doesn't mean they're a threat

[indigo gulch]

That’s not even close to a good comparison

[vivid ruin]

Want point are you even trying to make here lmao

[indigo gulch]

That deinos are a threat.

[vivid ruin]

Noo really

[indigo gulch]

(Also to themselves )

[urban flax]

Deep water = walled area
Just don't go there, you just can't

[indigo gulch]

Have…have you not read the rest?

Where he says they aren’t?

[vivid ruin]

You're reading to much into it bro they are a threat because they can 1 shot you, they aren't a threat because of the safe drinking spots

[indigo gulch]

[urban flax]

Deino is just badly designed

[indigo gulch]

Mhm

[urban flax]

However I do believe the addition of rex will bring deinos more prey to eat

[indigo gulch]

And you’re only reading one side apparently

[indigo gulch]

Because rex will camp safe spots, forcing them to seek less safe spots where deinos may lurk?

[vivid ruin]

Your just arguing technicalities for no reason bud

[urban flax]

Exactly

[indigo gulch]

How am I the one arguing technicalities when I am literally trying to make a rebuttal with the points he made against MY point?

[vivid ruin]

Erm acshully deino is a threat because using the safe spots = avoiding them

Technicalities

Pointless

[indigo gulch]

That’s literally how it works tho?

[vivid ruin]

😂

[indigo gulch]

Alright dude whatever you say

I guess avoiding ceras isn’t avoiding a threat either

[vivid ruin]

The point hopped in a thermal and went straight over your head holy

[indigo gulch]

I don’t see anywhere where I didn’t reply to your point, but whatever

[vivid ruin]

Bro is the autistic stereotype of this game personified jesus

[indigo gulch]

I am curious to see the shift in balance in that regard. I don’t suppose we have any idea if they are already working on the deink rework?

[indigo gulch]

Not really but then again, you are relatively new here

You’d hate to see the actual stereotype here

[urban flax]

Depends on what "working on" implies
They probably haven't started programming it yet, but they most likely already have ideas and maybe some animations

[vale needle]

Lucky you lol I’ve ran into 3 diff ones, range hacking ceras dmg hacking galis etc

[strange quiver]

@ancient sphinx
Why call for an increase in hypsi's stamina when it effectively has infinite jump stam? That's not an issue whatsoever if you just wait a second or two before jumping again. If you're just mashing space and burning a ton of stam to climb, that explains your issue.

[ancient sphinx]

well how will you get up the tree fast enough if smth is chasing you? or if there is a Herrera waiting up the tree you climbed in? The stamina isnt really the major issue either anyway, it's the aiming that is the struggle.

[strange quiver]

If the thing chasing you isn't a climber, you only really need to scramble high enough out of their bite (or jump) range. If it's a herrera, you're just better off ditching the tree and running as far away as possible because hypsi has better ground stam than herrera does.

I definitely agree that sometimes the game haphazardly tosses you backwards, but a lot of the climbing issues can be mitigated with practice; jumping between two trees instead of strictly going straight up one, for example.

[ancient sphinx]

i suppose that makes sense

cuz im just REALLY struggling to get the hang of Hypsi climbing, where as Herrera i can do with no problem what so ever

[north bridge]

not discounting anything at all so if it helps make sure you are using the charged jump for that first initial height boost. i do agree its not the best escape tool currently...ive used it to jump off cliffs or higher spots to cling to something and thats got me out of a situation once or twice but to your point its not as reliable or maybe just not practiced enough to be a reliable escape method.

maybe an initial "scurry" up the tree kinda mechanic would help. squirrel mode.

[ancient sphinx]

yea, and thats what im trying to say cuz- for example, i got chased by a carno and did the charge jump up the tree but bc of like jump cooldown or the cling animation playing, i wasnt able to get the second jump off to quickly get up higher before he could kill me (yes he did kill me)

[ancient sphinx]

Hypsi could use a running up and down the tree, and maybe not left to right like herra to differentiate but seriously, when climbing up a tree then bouncing off a branch is an itch to the soul

[north bridge]

yup. plucked right off the tree or thrown backwards off of it and back into the jaws of doom. i get that. i think a vertical scurry would work best for sure.

[strange quiver]

Hypsi climbing is definitely interesting, and admittedly I kind of hated it at first. After a lot of practice I actually love it way more than herrera climb because of how versatile it is!

I wouldn't mind hopping into game with you to teach you some misc tips/tricks if you'd want. There are a lot of little things you can do to mitigate some of the more glaring issues, like ensuring you're never jumping directly under overhangs/branches (aim between them! You can honestly get some really nice mid-air adjustment left/right between jumps) or more reliably landing on branches (totally letting go of all of your input controls, including rmb, when you aim and jump at the foot reticle to stick a landing. I've found holding rmb while trying to land makes you miss pretty often).

It's a decently fun skill ceiling. Unfortunately if you got yoinked by a carno then it's just fair play to the carno-- it's a small game hunter doing what it should do.

[ancient sphinx]

agreed

[ancient sphinx]

YES.

[north bridge]

when it feels good it feels GOOD.

[ancient sphinx]

ye

[strange quiver]

I think part of it is definitely a panic situation as well. I've gotten pretty good at hypsi climb and I've absolutely gotten destroyed simply from panicking too hard and flubbing jumps I can make easily without the added time pressure LOL

[ancient sphinx]

lol

[strange quiver]

Overall though, between both hypsi's "whoops flung backwards" issue and herrera's "trying to vault midway up a tree only to fall" issue, I prefer the hypsi's climbing shenanigans lol. Either way I'll probably be playing in a bit, haven't touched a single other creature since climb dropped.

[elfin willow]

I made a suggestion not long ago about fixing hypsi climbing. I love hypsi being able to climb but right now, its def difficult and... I mean, if you find my post, you'll see. Too often have I had the claw icon on a branch only for the game to say 'oh fly off the tree and die to fall dmg? Say less! 🥰' 😭

Let them climb like herrera (slower probably) or fix the jumping and let them gain stam while latched! Ugh.

[ancient sphinx]

this is so real 😂

[ancient sphinx]

lovely

[limpid bear]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-fact-checked-gif-11224128901468304627

[elfin willow]

I was just trying to get to the top branches and I fell to my death. I think i actually said 'give them reduced fall dmg if you want them to have to climb by wonky jumping mechanics'

[strange quiver]

Are you holding rmb while trying to land on the branch, or continuing to hold movement keys? Once I realized I should just let go and trust the game to properly land me, I've had a LOT less of these issues.

[elfin willow]

It wouldnt be OP because its hypsi. You cant do anything besides vibe, and occassionally spit on people (who deserve it)

[ancient sphinx]

id say let them climb like herrera but much slower, but their way of "faster climbing" is to just jump like how we have right now. and then give them the same range of aiming as herrera but ofc cant jump as far, since well Herrera is meant to lunge onto ppl.

[elfin willow]

I've let the game try to do it constantly and sometimes it does catch - other times it's like 'no' and makes me go flying 😭😂

[strange quiver]

It has the same fall dmg threshold as herrera does iirc. I've seen a hypsi fall from the top of the big south waterfall by the dome and live after slamming face-first into dirt, but I've also had rubberbanding/desync seem to quadruple my fall velocity out of nowhere so I wonder if that's what happened there.

I only ever clip through branches when the ping is being bad 😭

[elfin willow]

He mighta had the mutation. I jumped off a not very tall tree and died. 😭

I had reinforced tendons but that only helps with jumping taking less stamina.

[limpid bear]

hypsie has the same fall reduction as herra now if u didnt know

[strange quiver]

Super strange, I've jumped pretty regularly off of the biggest jungle trees and I've been fine! I never take the dmg->stam mutation but always take tendons for that sweet sweet jump stam lol

[elfin willow]

Unsure how I died then tbh.. does herrera not take fall dmg if it lands on its target?

[elfin willow]

I also made a suggestion a while back for reinforced tendons to affect the hold jump for hypsi. Kinda crazy it doesn't. 😭

[strange quiver]

I feel like you had an unfortunate instance of the game rubberbanding mid-air which doubled your airtime as far as the server is concerned tbh

[limpid bear]

no its if its within a height threshhold and no herra does still take dmg if its too high

[elfin willow]

Then not sure what happened. 😭 Probably latency messing me up again.

[strange quiver]

I've died from less height than a jump as omni because of that before. Sometimes the server just decides "oh you've actually been in the air 5x longer than you really were" and inexplicably shatters your kneecaps

[elfin willow]

✨️ realism ✨️

I have noticed tho, if you don't want to have to look up a giant tree and judge where to start climbing you gotta let go of right mouse button and reclick it to slowly work your way around the tree or between branches. Its annoying to do but honestly makes getting onto branches easier at times.

Just click it last second to latch back on when your jump is over 😭 but sometimes it wont register LOL

[strange quiver]

There's a somewhat easier way, if you familiarize yourself with the tree model. Jumping onto the roots that jut out vs going between two of them will usually line you up for jumps, and there's a specific texture I can recognize on the side of the big jungle trees that's an indicator I've got a perfect path lined up before I even make my first hop.

Minor adjustments with ctrl+relatch is definitely needed at times though

[daring talon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1387674630558322700

"nerf it but let it be strong around corpses"
"remove corpse damage reduction"
💀

[jaunty temple]

same game btw

[wet plinth]

Is there just no ai?

I can’t seem to find ai anymore and can’t grow anything.

[plain atlas]

LoL. That's the more FPS solution. Ridiculous

[jaunty temple]

The fact that i get less fps now than before is the funniest part. Used to get a stable 80fps, now it drops down to 20 or lower sometimes

[desert ridge]

maybe there is something im not getting but why is there so much consensus that carno should be a small and weak hunter? With how powerful cera is the carno niche just isnt there anymore. If cera is meant to be a scavenger that bullies other predators off their kills then since carno is the next largest land predator shouldnt they be the predator making the kills? Right now I see packs of ceras going to town on anything they can find. filling the predator and scavenger niche both.

[blissful tiger]

besides the bad graphics and lighting rn, i also hope they make so baby trike can eat past 106-120 growth rate without having to live off of gastroliths

[vale needle]

feels like cera simulator out here. jesus

[indigo gulch]

That’s because cera is too strong. Carno isn’t weak, cera is just too strong in too many fields rn

[desert ridge]

but where will carno be when trex and allo are added?

I feel like they should be a hit and run not a brawler

but with how slow they are right now it feels like they will be left in the dust

[faint folio]

Carno's situation is... Complicated. The long and short of it is that multiple times now the devs have stated that carno is intended to specialize in punching down - especially in hunting the smaller members of the roster. I think the thought behind it was that smaller animals tend to be faster, so making carno specialize in hunting the small quick things justifies carno's own speed. The problem though was that small critters also tended to turn on a dime, and carno turned like a truck. Then they tried buffing carno's agility, which helped it against smaller critters, BUT it also made it disproportionately better at hunting larger creatures than it (which by definition tends to mean slower and less agile). And so we got downsized carno because they wanted to make it retain its small animal predator niche.

All that being said, there is another aspect of your question about cera/carno balance, and that's cera. Cera I think is a bad benchmark for carno for 2 reasons - first, by definition of being a "corpse bully" it has to be able to punch up somewhat to kick other carnivores off their own kills. Second, most people agree that cera is incredibly OP right now and is exceptionally good at hunting compared to what it should be. So in other words, it's not carno that needs rebalancing - it's cera.

Finally, as an aside, it seems like they're focusing on adding herbis right now. I suspect that in the completed roster there will be other carnivores between carno and allo which will fill the low-mid tier predator niche and from whom cera will eventually be able to steal kills

[desert ridge]

that makes sense, but why not nerf carnos HP and let them keep speed and agility? I played carno alot before gateway. I always felt like due to the stamina drain on sprint, fights ended in a brawl of alt bites and kicks. I dont think carno should be winning brawls but I do think they should be able to reliably pull off an ambush without getting whiffed by even larger dinos.

I do think your assesment and the devs is correct once we have a full roster, but for mid development balance I think carno should be able to contend with prey its own size

[plain atlas]

I think that basically this dinosaur should chase prey that has no intention of fighting it. With his head, break his ribs or knock him out. Otherwise, yes, like all other animals, it is an opportunist, otherwise it runs away from all the other beasts it knows it cannot face.
I remember reading this once in a research book.
In game: You should find someone who run away from you because he know that cannot win against you but he try to run away also he are not fast like you but he hope to find cave or some hiddenspot.

[faint folio]

I haven't played carno since the most recent update, but what I had heard from HT was that was essentially what they had done - specifically that supposedly carno is actually pretty scary for smaller dinos now. The thing is, the Dino's weight is literally it's max HP, so when they nerfed carno's health by definition it reduced its size too

[desert ridge]

i agree, however the smaller herbi its arent super rewarding right now, so the smallest herbivores you can reliably find are tenos and pachys which have a decent shot in a 1v1.

[desert ridge]

Im glad they are addressing it. its too bad carno has felt kind of emaciated since gateway dropped. Carno was pretty roided before the diet system but I do feel like alot of people who never play carno overestimated just how powerful they really are, resulting in overzealous nerfs. as a result carno was underpowered when gateway dropped leaving no balancing force against the dominance of ceras on the carni side. Basically Carno was never the roid monster people painted them as.

[pliant elm]

The problem is not with Carno but with Cerato. Cerato is currently one of, if not the best hunter of large prey and even the best for hunting a trike, which is completely outside its niche as a scavenger.

[wooden agate]

i still get the image on the left in current patch with 60 fps on epic lol

like obviously a screenshot from the middle of the day is going to have subpar lighting from an image taken during a sunset/sunrise (where lightning naturally has a more noticable appeal to it)

both from current update lol

[flint phoenix]

So, I checked the settings and both were checked. I unchecked them and going to see if that helps the fps.

[faint folio]

I mean, I think they're still not super great at hunting things larger than them like Maia, teno, etc but they're intended not to be.

But yes - ceras are dominating right now because they're overbalanced and able to effectively play WAY outside of their intended niche. They don't need another carnivore capable of challenging them, they just need to be brought down to scale with the rest of the roster

You can tell because even herbivores that frankly should not struggle at all to win against a cera, like trike, are SERIOUSLY struggling

[desert ridge]

yes I agree, I was always a little annoyed with the early carno nerfs but they were reasonable and could be played around. but with cera on the field as well those nerfs became a death sentence.

[desert ridge]

100%

[faint folio]

If we make carno better at hunting, then the carno-cera matchup balances out, but then every other matchup not only still seriously struggles against cera, but now will also struggle against carno too

Whereas if we just nerf cera, it helps EVERYONE that's struggling with cera already, including carno

[desert ridge]

I agree, in the current state of the game I think a cera nerf is inevitable. However post nerf I still feel like carno will be too much of a generalist. In legacy carno was the fastest carnivore in the game but was balanced out by stronger brawlers like allo. Since allo and trex are going to be added I feel like carno should get that niche back which they occupied in legacy. (not saying herbivores should be left high and dry but where will herbis be with packs of allos and rexs on the map?)

Basically Im a carno glazer at heart and still want a reason to play carno as the game continues to develop

thanks for engaging with my questions lol

[faint folio]

Lol that's valid.

I don't think that carno should occupy the same niche as it did in legacy, though. In legacy, that balance worked because legacy had the progression system as well as pretty much the same basic mechanics for all carnivores (the differentiator being stats alone). But that's not the case for evrima! In evrima, allo and rex are getting unique to semiunique mechanics in the form of pin/pounce/crush which frankly carno will not have. Carno in turn also has unique mechanics in the form of its charge, and these fundamentally change the balance between the 3 dinos. I think it's an interesting choice to try to get carno to focus on an entirely different category of prey than the allo and rex likely will, especially as an additional form of play style differentiation between the 3. It just suffers because for some reason the devs seem reluctant to properly nerf the cera

[south pasture]

So the thing is what's the plan if i spawn near northlake? how can i suicide my dino fast to get to south plains spawn? v3
(there are no npcs in northlake)

[vernal jacinth]

Depends on what Dino you’re playing

[desert ridge]

one thing I worry about is an overrepresentation of larger dinos and the little guys getting forgotten outside of novelty, for example there isnt really a place for troodons, dryos and increasingly omnis

[south pasture]

Cerato

[vernal jacinth]

Drowning is easiest if you can drain your stam first. Or find a cliff to jump off of

[south pasture]

Ye but how is this possible that this game can just make northlake not playable what are the dev doing

[vernal jacinth]

Some of the SP spawns they moved away so you gotta run there instead

[vernal jacinth]

Basically they broke the AI to the point it might as well be gone.

[south pasture]

they have to wake up otherwise game gonna lose so much players just for this it's legit unplayable and insane how hard they ruin one of the best spot after SP

[vernal jacinth]

That’s what everyone keeps telling them but it feels like they have chats on mute and don’t bother anymore.

[desert ridge]

it isnt just northlake

whole map issue

[vernal jacinth]

Rule 1 can’t ping the devs

[faint folio]

I worry about this too. I know everyone complains about deino starvation (and I get it), but part of me thinks the devs continue to ignore it because deino is still incredibly popular on servers that don't limit deino spawns. Essentially, I wonder if part of the dev's solution to larger dino overpopulation is essentially to make it so that the larger dinos starve if too many people play them

Which... Idk if that is the best solution to the problem (seems like that would just frustrate players to the point that they stop playing altogether), but I think there may be some truth to that

[indigo gulch]

that would be understandable if other deinos weren't the only ones you are guaranteed to come across

like with rex I can always go to SP to get some stragglers

[desert ridge]

it was less of an issue before gateway since it was a smaller map with interconnected waterways but with 100 player servers the map is too big with small dinos

[faint folio]

It also doesn't help that dryo is nonviable due to missing mechanics... And troodon and Omni also suffer because they're so incredibly reliant on cooperative ping/low lag to play and feel rewarding

[indigo gulch]

spiro had the clan problem tho, admittedly

[desert ridge]

on legacy it was a big map with big dinos so people got around, but evirma was supposed to be balanced around small maps and small dinos

[desert ridge]

legacy had that issue to, as time went on

got to the point everyone was around one pond eating eggs

[faint folio]

I've heard that some clans have migrated to evrima (which may be part of the mix pack issues these days)

[desert ridge]

the clan issue will poison evirma the way it poisoned legacy

[indigo gulch]

you know that log in Highlands lake? People say it's to help people drink. It doesn't. It only helps with mixpacking :/

stego sits on the log with a deino friend next to him? Gl getting that stego ever.

[desert ridge]

people dont even need help drinking anymore, spiro it was genuinly a toss up if there was a deino in the water. it was fun to be scared to go near the water and crossings were a serious consideration. deino isnt viable on a large map with disconnected waterways full of empty fields, forests, and swamps. I dont even worry about crossing rivers anymore

[indigo gulch]

thank gosh, a snack 🙏

[desert ridge]

interconnected waterways made a low deino pop an actual part of the ecosystem

ive been playing this game since i was 10 and its been really sad to see recurring issues continue to hurt the game

[ebon elbow]

@quartz hedge I agree man. Matter of fact I posted a feedback comment saying this exact thing a few days back. It’s clear the devs (and most Dino players) hate deino. My comment got a bunch of down votes too. They don’t want it in the game. Every update just kicks deino down more. RIP update 6 Spiro

[quartz hedge]

It's just getting sad they literally have made it unplayable I have died of starvation the last 5 I've played and never got above 50 percent

[ebon elbow]

I lost a fg to starvation few weeks back. And that was after repeatedly logging out due to no food coming back at odd times to try and find a poor bastard croc to kill and eat. They’ve made deino play even more toxic with this awful map. Every lake and river has almost no plants at the edge and there’s 1 inch deep shallows the size of football fields all over. Have the devs ever seen a natural body of water?

[desert ridge]

I honestly wonder if they play deino themselves?

[ebon elbow]

No way that any of them do

[quartz hedge]

No way they do. Also the fact that fish give you .4 percent food. And they lowered fish spawn. And now they have safe water. Between that and the mods that let you absorb water legit no reason to even go to a lake or water at all now either

So it's either get lucky and kill 200 fish per hour or so. Or kill every deino and stay where they spawn and be a cold blooded murderer of youngings

[normal shuttle]

@tranquil silo bro why, you didnt even read it

😭

[tranquil silo]

I did I just didn’t agree with it. I enjoy the thrill of drinking it makes the game pull me in a lot it’s a lot like the tension you see in when animals drink in the African savanna. They look stressed imoz

[normal shuttle]

this is a game that attempts to be immersive, but also fair

and due to deino's design, no one wants to deal with it

[tranquil silo]

I also just don’t like how many safe drinking spots there are though, I feel like each drinking spot should be connected through a cave I can swim to get places but that’s just me. I want no where to be safe

[normal shuttle]

it is unfunny and I think there would be no harm in just keeping the animation cancel tech until it gets a rework and becomes a good playable

because rn everyone avoids it

they never interact

[normal shuttle]

it's that or gambling with the dinosaur that took you hours to grow

[tranquil silo]

The let’s go gambling audio is constantly playing in my brain so I’d love to risk it. Again it’s just a personal preference it’s not like my way is the ultimate ideal

[normal shuttle]

@rugged timber why

[rugged timber]

I just dont like the idea of it ?

[jaunty temple]

That left screenshot was also on the current patch. Its just the difference in area and how bad the grass looks and how badly it loads in

[charred oak]

Guys how to run and hit with Trike? I use LMB but my trike just stops and do alt attack

[icy lion]

Do you have manual alt attacks enabled?

[charred oak]

Yes

[limber hull]

are you holding LMB and using the charged attack instead

[charred oak]

I run and press LMB instead of hitting and keep running. The trike just stops

[wintry whale]

@spiral moss I think an airport would be better on the island to the southeast, as the monorail can have a station there, and it becomes easier to keep assets off the runway

[spiral moss]

but remember that island is not flat and super hilly and rocky

[wintry whale]

For now

[spiral moss]

that is true

[wintry whale]

From an asset containment standpoint, it becomes easier to have the intake of material well away from where the assets are allowed to be, the docks are relatively close to the hyper fences, and the islands are geographically seperated

I really want more monorail and GUTS stuff

[spiral moss]

have you seen my sketch of a docks

this was like a year ago

[spiral moss]

i felt like the docks being placed here would be better because of the close proxy to the hex

[wintry whale]

Where the transistor is going?

[spiral moss]

the rail?

[wintry whale]

One moment

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1275885768736247808/Screenshot_720.png?ex=685ee438&is=685d92b8&hm=3a00d7b7a15b8d000db9ed0a59b6301ed0529e2ec203f83e18964db9e293c97a&
The transistor, it’s funky and slopes into the water

[spiral moss]

idk

that is on the other side tho

[wintry whale]

True, but there’s no labels in your spot either

[spiral moss]

to the right of the transistor is the spot for the docks i chose

[wintry whale]

Yeah

[spiral moss]

the current spot of the docks just seems so far from everything else

it dosnt hit the same like legacy did

[spiral moss]

isnt that little strip of land gone in the current patch

to the right of the transistor

[wintry whale]

Not a clue

Things are changing all the time

[wintry whale]

I’m looking forward to redwoods in the atrium coming soon

[spiral moss]

so we arnt getting the redwoods on the map just in the hex

[spiral moss]

but yes its going to be my favorit place

[wintry whale]

I’m looking forward to exploring the interior walls more than the actual containment area

[spiral moss]

is that why it is closed

or is there a lore reason

[wintry whale]

Maybe, but there’s inside isn’t finished

[wintry whale]

The map isn’t complete yet

[spiral moss]

ah

[wintry whale]

Still got more to add, I need to find Olympus transmitter

[spiral moss]

i always wonderd why they removed the rails

they should be added back next patch it would be so cool

[wintry whale]

I’m hoping when we get then we get lots of GUTS tunnels

[spiral moss]

what does GUTS mean

[wintry whale]

Generic Underground Transportation System is the pen name, we aren’t 100% sure what it officially means

[spiral moss]

ah thats makes more sense

rex is going to hordtested next right?

[wintry whale]

I believe so

[spiral moss]

im so happy its been so long

[junior nymph]

@spark halo some of the stuff said are bugs iicr he talked about stam and how fast it drains and that is a bug

[still sinew]

what is up with ptera having their momentum removed?

[urban flax]

@inland yew
The person who works on designing new plants can't fix bugs
There was no AI spawning issue during the hordetest
The mapper works on improving the map, not on anything else

[inland yew]

But what do the people responsible for bug fixing do then? And how can it happen that the Horde test is brought to Evrima and suddenly problems arise that weren't there before? I don't mean that in a bad way, I just don't understand how this happens, or, why the things that many have long wanted aren't being worked on.

[plain atlas]

I also really like carno, so much so Omni but basically I think the problem is not balancing through nerfs and boosts but rather the variety of animals currently present, there are too few and these balance patches fill this gap. Also there is a lack of AI and therefore these “structured” dinosaurs or semi-real mechanics seem even more useless in an ecosystem where that semi-real being is not needed.
The problem should be solved either by adding 200 players to the server instead of 100, with a variety of playable animals or by keeping the limit at 100 but adding 50-100 AI animals that roam the map to find food, poop, sleep, mate, group and migrate.
2030 is far away my brother, i hope they develop the gameplay before I die.

[urban flax]

There is a list of what the guy responsible to fix bugs does in #announcements .
As for the new bugs, bugs appear when they push a build to live branch. That's unreal engine for you.

[fierce smelt]

The game is so broken, this is crazy stuff, basically unplayable for anything but a trike

[potent flower]

One thing that's actually good about the hidden AI thing is that, for forested areas, it actually makes sense. Like yeah, we definitely need the return of visible AI in grassy open areas, but I also like it when I'm traveling through a jungle and I hear a deer or chicken, and suddenly I have an S nutrient side quest. It makes the forest worth visiting as a carni if I can actually find food in there sometimes. Just wish the "follow the sound" mechanic wasn't an absolute crapshoot....

Might actually offer a way for there to technically be more AI on the map if there are more in the jungle that only actually spawn when being hunted, now I think about it, assuming it's the number of creature models spawned in that affects server performance.

(I had too many thoughts on my most recent feedback suggestion to coherently add to the actual suggestion lol)

[white plover]

#general-feedback message

they might actually listen to this one bc they love removing choices from us (such as the choice of your pteranodon's speed. or how you're going to burn your stam)

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-25031120

[junior nymph]

@halcyon wolf what?

that would never work LOL

and the other idea was kinda silly

bruh