general-feedback-discussion

[sullen pawn]

@limber hull You may have understood the topic about safe water drinking areas on the new map.

[limber hull]

huh?

i'm pretty sure it's the other way around lol

[normal shuttle]

You realize that Stego NEEDS high damage to survive, right?

That’s the only good thing it has in its weight class to endure all current and upcoming matchups

[limber hull]

also there's nothing stopping you from playing deino regardless of safe drinking spots

[grizzled matrix]

I think a bit less, maybe 8850?

[normal shuttle]

And deino is not threatened by stego because they live in completely different places

[sullen pawn]

As the number of Safe Wetlands increases, the number of Deinosuchus will decrease.

[limber hull]

that's fine

[normal shuttle]

Hell, theoretically there’s no reason for deinos to ever leave the water currently

There’s a chance you never need to do that

Other than organs and occasionally moving to another water source

[limber hull]

i think more attention should be brought to the ease and reliability of patrol zones, rather than the frequency of safe water

if players are forced to move to get more food (and inevitably cross water), deinos can and will eat

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-speculation-we-do-a-little-speculation-gif-sharks-office-speculation-gif-24940290

[junior nymph]

facts

[normal shuttle]

Deino situation is tragedy

But not because of stego

It’s such a letdown of a playable tbh

[sullen pawn]

From what I can tell, I don't want to offend anyone but I think I see a few teams trying to reduce the Deinosuchus player base.

[normal shuttle]

And it has been like that for a long time

[normal shuttle]

What do you mean?

[junior nymph]

look

the team might be doing that

but they are also introducing many other semi aquatics

[lapis swallow]

it just doesnt have a map catered to it rn and its good spots on the map are dead

[junior nymph]

that will be able to live in places where deinos wont

[junior nymph]

hi hi

[lapis swallow]

go away

[junior nymph]

😦

[normal shuttle]

it doesn't have a map that caters to it+there is barely anything to interact with+it has an extremely overpowered trait that has never been changed that forces people to cheese deino players+it is at the mercy of other deinos as a solo player+when small you just rely on gambling to find food and survive other crocs as they can even walk you down and you have nothing to outmaneuver or hide other than under a log

[junior nymph]

heres how I would fix patrols. COMPLETELY REMOVE THEM

[normal shuttle]

it's so bad, I will never get tired of saying it

[junior nymph]

add big gametrails instead

[normal shuttle]

F tier playable all around. Bad for everyone involved

[lapis swallow]

I meant spiro, spiro was catered to it

[sullen pawn]

Hey Youngsters, calm down, tastes and colors are indisputable.

😄

[lapis swallow]

deino just seems like way too demanding of a playable to be in a big roster tbh

[junior nymph]

they go across rivers and other things + they spawn food so you want to keep on the trail but not enough to live off it

[normal shuttle]

oh yeah it was

[junior nymph]

what are you on

[normal shuttle]

but still it was unfun to play as and deal with

[lapis swallow]

oh yeah, screw deinos on spiro

[sullen pawn]

My only concern is to defend Deinosuchus.

[normal shuttle]

I am not attacking players, just pointing out how the design of a playable is terrible and needs its announced rework badly

[junior nymph]

and im giving ways to help it

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-push-back-his-hairline-gif-11241907652566626707

I hope that they can populate swamp again to make it a good spot for deinos

[normal shuttle]

it was all deino turf other than a few safe spots and then if you played deino you relied on their mercy because the main river was just a narrow hallway with no hiding spots

it really was mad unfun to play as

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-tone-watch-your-tone-watch-your-gif-24091847

[lapis swallow]

and to play against

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message hehe

[normal shuttle]

I remember when my first deino in spiro was like 5 tons and it got walked down by a fg even though I sprinted and the guy didn't

[sullen pawn]

The southern plains birth of Deinosuchus should be added.

[normal shuttle]

so interesting and fun

[lapis swallow]

already liked that

[junior nymph]

yippe

[normal shuttle]

absolutely, it's either gambling or making the deino hate the game because they can't do anything about safe spots

[junior nymph]

no.

thats just dumb

like in every way shape and form

[sullen pawn]

Because all the crowds are in the south plains.

[junior nymph]

ah yes\

make it MORE OF A HOTSPOT

make it so the main goal of deino is to spawn there

[lapis swallow]

deinos should work for good spots

[sullen pawn]

Now do you think that's stupid? 😄 @junior nymph

[junior nymph]

make it so it cant leave an area

[junior nymph]

yes

its center 2.0 but worse since the deinos cant escape

it will just be a ground for cannibals and ceratos to eat juvies

[normal shuttle]

deinosuchus should be reworked + connect south river to the swamp through the dome

We really don't need a deino spawn there and turn it into a deino hive because then no one will go there

Hotspots tend to be places where deinos won't be. SP is one currently because they don't spawn there. Hence why delta is not a hotspot but west rail access is

they have a much harder time

[junior nymph]

and the deinos that live are the ones in massive clans

[sullen pawn]

My friend Deinosuchus is a person who has difficulty walking, wherever there is a crowd, this apex should be there too, this is the most beneficial for everyone @junior nymph

[normal shuttle]

and also yeah, you would be making deino life MISERABLE

A baby croc trapped in a small river where they stand no chance escaping anything

[junior nymph]

no its not and stop pinging me for the dumbest reasons just reply

[lapis swallow]

look at what valiant said

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/gator5stars-funny-lol-gif-7694432

[lapis swallow]

apexes on land and the few deinos that actually make the way there are enough

[junior nymph]

• other semi aquatics can inhabit south

[sullen pawn]

@junior nymph I won't argue with you because you are too closed off to see the facts.

[junior nymph]

im too not biased you mean?

also listen to what I Said

[lapis swallow]

thats just a fact, look how literally any hotspot with a deino spawn turns out

[sullen pawn]

I have a hard time listening to you because you live in dreams and cannot see the realities.

[lapis swallow]

if you add deinos to a hotspot in a closed location, then its just gonna become a clan breeding ground

[junior nymph]

exactly

[sullen pawn]

Anyway, I'll keep the greatness to myself. I wish everyone happy days.

[junior nymph]

you are asking for only the deinos in groups of like 3-6 to live since they have numbers in a enclosed area

[normal shuttle]

the facts is that people will no longer stick around south river or they will just keep using the safe spot behind a rock

[lapis swallow]

are you high?

[junior nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-prehistoric-planet-2-beelzebufo-devil-toad-frog-gif-10599055142242270721

[normal shuttle]

And then baby deinos will keep dying because they are trapped in a small place with no escape options and barely hiding spots

ready to be mauled by the ruling cannibal duo

Terrible idea if you wanna help deino

[junior nymph]

yep

• they will just move to the savanna next update anyway

[normal shuttle]

true lol

deino is mega cooked

[lapis swallow]

savanna?

[normal shuttle]

HT map changes

[junior nymph]

like the cool new area

[normal shuttle]

there's new super shallow water sources around

[junior nymph]

next to south I think you explored with us

[normal shuttle]

Deino is getting the death blow

[lapis swallow]

I didnt

[junior nymph]

dang

[lapis swallow]

can you send me a Screenshot?

[sullen pawn]

@junior nymph Frolo How many hours do you have in Evrima?

[junior nymph]

2700

maybe more

[sullen pawn]

Dude, you're still young, I have five thousand hours.

[junior nymph]

and you are still dumb

[normal shuttle]

whether or not he has more hours than you

he still made a more sound argument

[junior nymph]

ive been playing since may of 2023 so...

[sullen pawn]

I'm not even mentioning Legacy, if I count that I have 10 thousand hours.

[normal shuttle]

people with thousands upon thousands of hours can have bad takes

[woven bane]

is fresh air a foreign substance to you?

[junior nymph]

its cause I actually know how to play the game and understand it

[normal shuttle]

I am tempted to post it

[junior nymph]

LMAO

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/made-up-making-things-up-misinformation-spreading-misinformation-lying-gif-5615616319157116451

[desert arch]

LMFAO

[normal shuttle]

I dont believe it

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-crazy-relax-seinfeld-calm-gif-23899710

[junior nymph]

FLOWS MAKING A GOOD JOKE HOLY CRAP

[normal shuttle]

that someone with 5k hours actually has an issue with stego doing damage

[sullen pawn]

Friends don't say anything to anyone, why have I become such a bad guy? 😄

[normal shuttle]

when it is the only thing it has

and then suggesting sp spawn for deino

[junior nymph]

you are high

or dumb I dunno

or just like under the age of 11

I dunno which one

[sullen pawn]

Just hope my experience is higher than you expected and you will agree with me as you will see in future updates.

[desert arch]

10 thousand hours would mean someone spent almost a year and a half of just playing this game...

[sullen pawn]

I am 27 years old, brother, I was there when you were not in the world 🙂

[junior nymph]

||I dont have issues with stegos.. I have clips of us killing them as deinos its you thats the issue its you that is bad at the game even with your hours. I even have soloed 2 as a cerato dont talk to me mate||

[junior nymph]

why are you high

[normal shuttle]

@sullen pawn I am gonna need you to logically explain how is stego going to be able to survive other large creatures in the future if it gets a damage nerf

And also why would a sp spawn be a good thing when you're trapped in a tiny space as a useless weak and slow juvenile that will get ceaselessly hunted down by the ruling gators, and people will keep drinking behind a rock or straight up leave

Not answering will be understood as conceding the argument

[junior nymph]

hmm im 27 Ill partake in a argument on islecord general feedback discussion instead of going outside

[sullen pawn]

Stego is already good bro, we don't want a nerf or buff for him. It would be good if only CTRL was reduced a little.

[junior nymph]

"its because ebveryone goes to south therefor it would be good for deino and has no issues at all and is not fundamentally flawed!

[normal shuttle]

Define a little

And you did not really answer the question, neither of them

[limber hull]

it's not a competition on who's spent more of their life on this game lol

[limber hull]

"we don't want a nerf or buff for him, but nerf him"

[junior nymph]

even though it just leads to the larger packs killing juvies and having free food generator as its such a small area

[limber hull]

????

[junior nymph]

he is NOT 27

[normal shuttle]

I asked how is stego supposed to survive other large creatures that are coming to the game or already there with anything but damage, not whether it is good or bad

And then how is a sp deino spawn a good idea when it just is a rng trap functionally

[sullen pawn]

You think your mind is so bad that you can't do that? Stego didn't have a feature like CTRL, did it, brother? They could turn that feature down a little.

[limber hull]

it doesn't even have ctrl bound to anything brother

do you even play the animal you choose to complain about

[junior nymph]

its right click lmao

if I recall

[limber hull]

also like... new features bad now?

[junior nymph]

giving a creature more depth is bad

trust me dude

[sullen pawn]

I'm just saying, if you look at real time, there's only one creature that you can compare Deino to and that's mosasaurus.

[limber hull]

why are we saying "it didn't use to have"

deino didn't used to have the ability to grab stego

should they tune that down

[junior nymph]

what

so we going of real life I see

hmm lets see.. 1 hit to the head from a stegos spikes should just impale a creature and kill it

[sullen pawn]

Let's wrap this up, Deino is the strongest Apex right now and we don't want to reduce its playability.

[junior nymph]

what

[limber hull]

okay no one is arguing for deino's playability to be reduced

you're the only one who's been concerned about that

[sullen pawn]

You will understand me when the update comes to Evrima

[junior nymph]

I have givin ways to HELP deino but you shrug them aside and keep begging for south spawn which will make deino WORSE in the long run

[normal shuttle]

deino's playability is held together only by the fact it is a cannibal

Testimony of how much it needs to be reworked

And what you are suggesting wont do much to save it

one suggestion potentially encroaches stego in other matchups when stego needs buffing if anything

And then the sp one is just a giant equivalent of throwing something into a blender and expecting it to survive the proccess for several hours

[sullen pawn]

You can be sure that Deinosuchus will remain forever, no giga, no trex, no spino can bring it down, my friend.

Anyway, when the updates come, everyone will see everything anyway, I wish everyone a good evening.

[limber hull]

Okay so what are we arguing because no one disagrees with this

[junior nymph]

someone insert the spino killing the deino

giga nor rex will kill deinos why? cause they will get murdered if going into water

spino on the other hand that might be a issue but just stay away from where spinos go and your fine

[cyan flame]

What is the update supposed to do?

[sullen pawn]

Brother, why would they go into water? They will be heavier than Deinosuchus anyway. What are you telling me?

[normal shuttle]

um...yeah? It won't get deleted from the game

But the fact that it is only playable because it is a cannibal and has no other consistent food sources by design other than clueless beginners and other gators is so sad for an apex

[junior nymph]

that they wont be issues for deino therefor deino will stay

the playbase for deino will dwindle once other semi aquatics come and apexes but they will never go away

[normal shuttle]

deino is already like in the middle if not lower end of picks in Gateway

it will plummet before pachy in the next update

[sullen pawn]

Deino is my most important man, I will never give up on him no matter what. That's why I defend him and try to highlight his few shortcomings.

Close the topic now.

[normal shuttle]

Cool that it matters to you. it matters to us as well

and the devs know, so it is getting reworked

[vernal jacinth]

@quiet epoch no rules here except what’s in #rules-and-info and pinned messages of the chat channels. Plus #general-feedback isn’t a spot to ask questions. It’s for feedback on the game.

[wooden agate]

me when devs have confirmed spino is going to roll deino

like just mop the floor with it

[icy lion]

@bitter dove It's not a semiaquatic but I agree it should have it

[bitter dove]

huh, im pretty sure i read somewhere that it is

[lusty wigeon]

Fix yals Hill damage i should never have died full grown off a tiny hill that dont even drop smh

[acoustic oak]

yoo im a gator n my water is literally on red my hearbeats on orange and im not that far off from water will waiting for rain w reabsortion help me bare to get to the water or is it almost the same regardless?

[quartz meteor]

No

[acoustic oak]

so it wont help?

[quartz meteor]

Do you mean, like you are in water and are wondering if it’ll help you retain your water longer if you wait to travel with reabsorption?

[acoustic oak]

no im on land i have no water i have reabsorption but i logged out thinkin the mutation will help me get to water once it rains

[quartz meteor]

Oh then no. I’ve literally made a water Deino before… and the water still goes down extremely fast. I had reabsorption, less water drain, and I believe salt water, and it went down just as fast as it would had I not even had those mutations

[acoustic oak]

damn ig ill risk it den thankl u

[quartz meteor]

All good man

I’d still wait for rain

It won’t hurt to try

Then again, I did die at full grown… so if you are smaller, you may have a chance as your stam runs out slower

[acoustic oak]

bro i just died

smh

[wooden agate]

@icy lion uhhhh me thinks reactions are broken in #general-feedback

[deep hound]

#general-feedback message <@&933486433342222376>

sry ugh the most recent in #general-feedback

[hoary ocean]

No worries, being dealt with

[hidden crystal]

@quartz meteor

[quartz meteor]

nice

[barren crater]

@north hazel I wouldn't worry about allo stats. It hasn't even released yet.

[pliant elm]

@north hazel You know that Allo will have absurd bleeding damage, right?

[gritty kernel]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1379981764319248476 this is probably a place holder

[wooden agate]

it also ignores the myriad of other abilities that allosaurus has where its damage could be placed instead\

not everything needs a super strong LMB attack/bite

you can put that damage in other places, especially to encourage common useage of the abilities

[limber hull]

i adore the fact that people looked at the character screen which didn't even have a picture of allosaurus on it (instead a placeholder omniraptor image) and went "i can't believe these stats"

[wooden agate]

i like how the belief in the stats indirectly implies belief in the placeholder omniraptor image

because theres no way you can pick and choose what to believe when looking at something like that

[limber hull]

lmao

[wooden agate]

its either all or nothing because if one thing is deemed false/placeholder, the entire argument falls apart

allosaura is omni shaped.... and human height.... wild!

[limber hull]

also people complaining about bite force as if they didn't also see a 45.5km/hr movespeed lmao

on top of a 2.4 ton weight

[deep hound]

is it worth pinging disc mod for fixing the reactions in general feedback or is that not something they can do

[icy lion]

We can't fix it, the bot's down

[deep hound]

ohh ok thank u !!

[wooden agate]

"i havent played pteranodon once" so why are you regurgitating what others say instead of forming your own opinion on it by playing it 😭

pteranodon stamina is a) fine how it is anyway and b) becoming even MORE of a non issue with slip streams and thermals

and also, they do listen to feedback fairly often lol

troodon changes, cera changes, big trees in highlands, gobbler carno, latching as pteranodon to regain stamina, deino being able to grab stego, spawn codes, diet rework, maia adjustments, salt draining selected diets, beipi breach buffs

like come on lol

you cant expect something to be added just because a few people throw a tantrum

#general-feedback message

[signal lava]

I was about to say the same thing, I play ptera a lot and I’ve never once had issues with stam, if you know how to actually use ptera, then stam can last a very long time.

Also with servers. I don’t know if that was specific to officials so correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve seen unofficial servers that host 250-300. It’s just an official thing to keep it to 100, and I believe that’s mainly due to ping issues (again correct me if I’m wrong)

[limber hull]

i will never get tired of people who don't play an animal making concrete stances on how to balance said animal

like how so many people don't play stego but are concretely certain that it needs a complete nerf in every regard

meanwhile i force myself through the agony of playing it to remain informed on what its like (i hate playing it so much)

[stark spade]

#general-feedback message
I am not certain if this got mentioned yet, but the speed/weight/biteforce is all very likely to change untill it Releases or after its release

[limpid bear]

i dont think hes heard about the ptera rework lol

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Why rush if all those people would just come back for rex regardless lol

[heady geode]

And theyll definitely be coming back because Rex is Fresh! I’m tired of seeing all the same dinosaurs in the roster, I can’t wait to see Only Rex!! So fresh

[urban flax]

"People are leaving the game !"
shows a graph of a consistently rising number of players

[limber hull]

i love the concept these people have that they'll somehow manage to scare the devs into releasing rex or something lol

[junior nymph]

@misty maple I dont thinks its too big of a issue. It doesnt look that bad unless you get it at a weird angle.

+no chance they change it

[daring sandal]

I mean there is a somewhat large dip, in the current, but i imagine thats just coz of all the hackers

[urban flax]

If you look at the graph, it's how the game's population has always behaved
New update, a lot of new people play the game, then the population slowly lowers intul another update
But each time there's a larger amount of players who keep playing the game

[daring sandal]

I konw dont worry, its just that with the increase (that ive noticed) of hackers, im not 100% sure that that re-rise is going to happen for a while, because in the last 2 months ish we have (almost continously) continued to be lower than the last week

The little jumps are weekends, when more people are able to get on, but it is interesting that it only happened after the biggest peak

[hidden crystal]

<@&933486433342222376> something happened to @fierce raft and it isn't adding ✅ and❌ reactions to messages in #general-feedback

[junior nymph]

hackers have been massive for like a year

but since like october I have been seeing them atleast once a day

@iron rivet restart your game

you reset settings it does that.

@viral perch the servers will die in a week

I already asked for it dondi said they die too quickly and its about testing not actual gameplay

and yes im australian

[viral perch]

Half of our servers are dead because everyone plays and queues in AU3 so the rest of us play NA and cop the latency

Also thank you for reply

[wintry whale]

@open frost Please use https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513 to record bugs

[junior nymph]

yeah but like I Said. We dont have enough players for both HT and actual branch

theres been times where all 3 server fill but its usually just one

and I asked for ht severs at peak of those servers too

[viral perch]

Yeah I noticed we only fill all servers around the holidays, any other time is only AU3 which makes no sense to me why there’s queues of 30+ instead of all jumping on another server

[junior nymph]

because its the same reason why no one plays drop bear. you would rather play on a server with 100 players than a server with 10-30

[viral perch]

Which is upsetting because Drop bear would be my daily server but it never gained traction unfortunately

[junior nymph]

ive been there since day 1 there was a time where we did

got to like 48 or somethin

[viral perch]

I played at the start too and a few days after and watched the population drop and drop until there was like 8 of us

[junior nymph]

you played in july of like 2024?

[viral perch]

Yessir

[junior nymph]

you speak lies anyway

yeah HT will never get a AU server

last time we had one was gateway launch

had pop for 1 day then died lmao

[viral perch]

I never understood why no one plays HT, could just be me being an Isle main but seems like a wasted opportunity. I just cop the latency and play NA HT or Petits

[junior nymph]

yeah its nomally cause you can loose a dino at any moment

[iron rivet]

i have already, this was like two days ago and havent seen it since so it might be a one-time thing

[junior nymph]

<@&933486433342222376> scam everywhere

@atomic tangle heres the thing with spiro...

it caused evrima to have a 19GB download every update

it was so unoptimized + as much as I miss it. its mostly nostalgia.

[coarse spruce]

Didn't someone mention spiro is getting remade

[junior nymph]

no I think dondi just said spiro is looking kinda good right now like 5 months ago and never said anything about it again

[normal shuttle]

@atomic tangle spiro would be unplayable for so many creatures both currently and in the roadmap

how do you fit a spino in there

or even an elder deino

also rip pachy and herrera

[junior nymph]

you know what would fit them

that one other map that starts with sp and ends with ro

spero ofc

[normal shuttle]

gateway better

[junior nymph]

||but map to big so cant use||

[normal shuttle]

also spero like

enormous?

a lot of empty space, yay!!!

[junior nymph]

get 600 players good ways to move around and your good!

[normal shuttle]

MMO Isle

World of Islecraft

thousands of players in Spero

[junior nymph]

nah just gametrails

remove patrols

then good way

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

This is not only not how game development works but God no

[raven radish]

@dire bear there already is music

[atomic tangle]

they added waves back to the ocean

[zenith comet]

As far as I know is elder going to be better in every way? Like its both stronger and heavier as well as faster?

[limber hull]

Unknown. Stats are all still very WIP

[frank tapir]

they shouldn't be, but we'll see

[zenith comet]

Alright, I know the elder omni bug worked like that but everything still isn't final. I really dont think they should be either but its a wait and see. They ought to be stronger and heavier but slower imo

[limber hull]

Elders should be balanced so adults feel like they have more of a chance

[grizzled matrix]

I hope elders won't be faster than adults, but in the end it's up to the Devs to decide that

[pliant elm]

Emotes in general-feedback are bugged?

[grizzled matrix]

Bot's down i believe

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

as if omni, and dilo are not two of the most popular playables lol

not to mention gallis, or pretty much any juvie under 1200kg lol

every animal starts out as small game for carno

[quartz meteor]

Sure, add dilo back to carnos diet and he’ll be golden.

[wooden agate]

or just ava to the lines diet when it releases in a few months lol

ava would be peak lines

[quartz meteor]

Omg I hope… I seriously hope they do not make it dots or S diet… that’s all we have… I’m tired of dots and S 😂

[icy lion]

@amber vigil @pliant elm Nothing about elders is balanced or finalized yet

[spice orbit]

@merry pine #general-feedback message
the current hordetest build looks perfect

[merry pine]

nuh uh lol

[pliant elm]

This is an example. The main focus is to improve the functioning of Pin. Pin on Omni and Troodon is not a big problem, but this will be a huge problem on Allo, everything smaller than 2.5t

Anything smaller than Allo will simply die with just one simple click if Allo has the same pin as Omni

And not to mention that Pin's hitboxes are simply horrible, big and buggy

[spice orbit]

looks great to me

[merry pine]

lol its dark

[spice orbit]

sure whatever

[edgy flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bülent-ersoy-kuaförüm-sensin-offensive-turkish-diva-cry-gif-17644711

that grass🤢

[stark spade]

#general-feedback message that was a sub

[wooden agate]

hordetest looks awful wdym

clearly this is awful

[spice orbit]

absolutely

[wooden agate]

((i think both versions of the game just look ok))

i want update 4 lighting and grass back

[proud coral]

I'm just sick of shiny jerky-skinend dinos and abyssal shadows.

[wooden agate]

the shiny dinosaurs sucks i agree

[amber vigil]

i hope so

[quartz meteor]

@bronze niche “It was to make the incentive need of hunting herbivores more but carno should be the only exception to this, there is not enough people playing as small tiers like pachy and galli”

Oh I totally understand that. My only issue is, how many dryos do you see… how many maias or gallis. definitely not enough to justify removing one of carnos main sources of lines. if goat was added back onto its diet until we do get another small/medium herbivore that is a line diet, I wouldn’t mind it.

[wooden agate]

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message cause stego is supposed to be the dino you don't want to mess with, also a tail with spikes swinging that fast would do so much dmg anyway

[bronze niche]

exactly i found that so dumb, carno should be the culler for dinos like dilo and raptor, removing dilo which was its main source of lines is extremely annoying especially considering that its a nightmare to get perfect diets when your not 100%

[wooden agate]

you can still kill dilos

and get diet from them (all 3 diet, organs)

it does need something on lines, but i dont think readding dilo just to have to remove it again in a couple months is the way to go about it

[wise rune]

give it goat

[high mauve]

PLS

NERF TENO

oh man

or fix the hitbox of his attack bro is crazy

im going crazy

[pliant elm]

Yes, he does. He's a small prey hunter now, so why shouldn't he have small prey in his diet? Xd

[wooden agate]

because carnivores are being removed from diets

for the most part lol

nothing is stopping you from hunting dilos. you still get a decent chunk of diet from them, alongside securing a meal

[pliant elm]

That's why Carno should be the exception, just like he said. Carno is already very limited after the nerf, there's no reason to limit him even more by doing an unnecessary removal like this

[pliant elm]

No, you won't get much lipid from a Dilo's gut

[wooden agate]

instead you get a decent bit of all 3 diets

which is better in some cases due to giving you the stamina buff lol

[wooden agate]

literally everything in the game spawns as small game

carno will never have a lack of prey, regardless of his diets lol

[pliant elm]

All carnivores can have perfect diet, but Carnocan't have it? Xd

[wooden agate]

what does that even mean

you do realize that just 33% of each diet = perfect diet right

like you only need 33% lol

that is incredibly managable

even with just organs

[untold geyser]

0.1% of each counts as perfect..

[wooden agate]

i moreso mean old perfect diet

[barren crater]

Pretty much this lol. Should just replace dryo with dilo though. Maia makes sense

[wooden agate]

but this is true, in the current diet system

[untold geyser]

or something else to increase dryo population
👀

[pliant elm]

Yes, I agree. Maia should stay but Dilo should also be added back

[barren crater]

Never happening

No way the isle playerbase will decide to play dryo of all things

[pliant elm]

Dryo is kind of exotic...

[tired quest]

dryo is more like a mythical creature right now
every time I show up in south plain I get surrounded and worship by both carni and herbi

[sharp sentinel]

I dislike elder trike

[wooden agate]

i dislike acro

[wooden agate]

@narrow nova its been implied that deino will have trouble drowning baryonyx, so maybe that could extend to other semi aquatics?

i dont how likely it is for deino however.

i asked kissen about it when she mentioned Baryonyx may be immune to Deinosuchus drown. I asked "but deino can drown other semi aquatics?", she replied "Those animals are not baryonyx."

[narrow nova]

I hope so.

The problem now is that once you are caught by deino, no matter how long you can hold your breath, your oxygen will quickly run out. I think this is not good.

[wooden agate]

i agree tbh

[limber hull]

@desert condor do you have streamer mode on by accident

[vernal jacinth]

@fervent sigil that channel is for feedback. Not a help channel. @desert condor what Grass said. Need to read the channel description before posting really. Otherwise mods might give you a warning.

[hidden crystal]

@desert condor you might wanna put that in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 and #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[normal shuttle]

@rough hemlock quad carch is all you need

[normal shuttle]

@calm dock what??

Why concavenator? And why replace sucho with it specifically?

[ember flax]

@north hazel Allo is a bleeder it doesn't rely on raw dmg

It will have insane bleed

If it did 300 biteforce then cera would feel so weak and the niche would fade

[grizzled matrix]

Damn i would love more flier

[compact sequoia]

i want carcha

@rough hemlock

[junior nymph]

'if this gets implemented then we could have competitive stats and also ranking , tournaments etc' in the survival game yay...

[compact sequoia]

leaderboards are actually a great system

it would be cool

[junior nymph]

not in a game like this.

[compact sequoia]

why not ?

[junior nymph]

its not some fighting game

[limber hull]

it's a great system in a different genre

[junior nymph]

yeah

[limber hull]

leaderboards don't work in survival games because survival games are not "scored"

[junior nymph]

apart from bob

cause of gauntlet

[compact sequoia]

leaderboards in survival time, number of dinos or big dinos killed etc

[junior nymph]

ah yes lets make it so you just kill everyone so you can have a higher score!

[limber hull]

that's not something that should be categorised though

you shouldn't be encouraging players to complete tasks you don't want in the gameloop

devs do not want players to actively be seeking constant PvP or KoS

[compact sequoia]

survival time would be great

[junior nymph]

you are pretty much asking for a different game

[limber hull]

but that doesn't make sense either

[junior nymph]

afk in bush sim

[limber hull]

since the elder system will add a finality to that

your survival is intended to come to an end

[junior nymph]

✅

[limber hull]

having a system that encourages you to not die undermines the purpose of elders

[compact sequoia]

it will not since death is optional

[limber hull]

yes, but you are supposed to want to die as a senior

because senior is weaker, frailer and you get several benefits for dying of old age

[compact sequoia]

what benifits ?

[limber hull]

mutation buffs and other stuff that haven't been revealed

[junior nymph]

from what im guessing mutations and stuff

[compact sequoia]

i still think in game profile and leaderboards will be cool

[limber hull]

we already have an ingame profile

and leaderboards just entirely encourage you to play in a way that's against the game's core design

[compact sequoia]

what is the core design?

[limber hull]

it is not designed to be a global competition

[urban flax]

Leaderboards are kinda toxic tbh
Also already been said, but they don't make sense in a survival game

[limber hull]

survival and existence, not attempting to outperform soneone else

[compact sequoia]

Yes the leaderboard will be perfect.... survival time ...number of times fg dino reached etc difficult dino etc...

[limber hull]

but that makes it a competition

it creates a more toxic environment where you're constantly competing to be the best

[compact sequoia]

you have to be the best to survive

[junior nymph]

no you wont

[compact sequoia]

its a survival game

[junior nymph]

believe it or not its not that hard to sit in a corner and afk

[limber hull]

it also doesn't work with the presence of community servers

i go into my private server and admin myself to full

[compact sequoia]

anti sit system is already there

[ember flax]

This aint a Roblox game bro

[junior nymph]

what the pteros?

[compact sequoia]

only for official server

[junior nymph]

lmao

[ember flax]

U alr have unofficial servers for your own profile

u can see your stats what u killed as the dino u played and stuff

[limber hull]

i dont think you understand how hard that is to do

would require a new server that tracks all stats in all servers globally

[ember flax]

Its just not official

[limber hull]

you'd need to create a new network infrastructure just to make this work

[ember flax]

Only unofficial servers

[limber hull]

not worth the effort for something that goes against the core values of the game

[compact sequoia]

its a full blown online survival game

[limber hull]

that has nothing to do with what i said

its server setup isn't designed for a global leaderboard to work

[grizzled matrix]

I agree that Charcha is cool but realisticaly speaking how will it differ from Giga

[limber hull]

you would need to build a new server infrastructure

specifically to track, record and rank the leaderboard

[compact sequoia]

in size and speed

weight too

[compact sequoia]

its a basic thing in every online game

[junior nymph]

weight difference 1T size: pretty much the same. Speed. Giga is already fast so carch? just a speed demon?

Carch is just a waste of dev resources

[compact sequoia]

we have trex why need alberto ?

why against more dinos

it does not make sense

its weird people are against more playables

[junior nymph]

we dont. but it will be considerably smaller. have a different niche and it will be a competitor to allo. alberto is the brawler mid tier allo the bleeder. sucho just sucho cera the corpse bully and carno the small game hunter

carch will most likely be a bleeder like giga

cause both are large fast apexes that have serrated teeth used to bleed out targets

[grizzled matrix]

I mean, Alberto is considerably smaller than Rex

[junior nymph]

alberto is the brawler of mid tiers

[grizzled matrix]

While Giga and Char are the same size

[junior nymph]

we arent. we are against the same creature wrapped differently

give dinosaurs that arent the same thing and do a new thing for the game and im not against that

[compact sequoia]

no they also are different in size speed etc

just like alberto vs rex

[junior nymph]

no

[grizzled matrix]

ummh, Char and Giga are the same size...

[junior nymph]

heres the thing right they are both apexes. AROUND the same size both do the same thing. Both are fast its just dumb

you make one too fast to outspeed the other it becomes OP

rex and alberto are completely different like I said beforehand

[compact sequoia]

carcha is a smaller and faster

giga is bigger and more dmg etc

[junior nymph]

they are still a apex

they are still in the same size class

[compact sequoia]

yeah

[junior nymph]

yeah...

[limber hull]

this is objectively not true lol

[junior nymph]

thank you for proving my point

[grizzled matrix]

Yes by like, 2 or 3%

[limber hull]

also carchar is literally just another giga

idk why people argue otherwise

[compact sequoia]

because i like carcha and giga

[junior nymph]

just give maip instead or something

[compact sequoia]

i want to fight it as spino

[junior nymph]

it will be the same fight

[limber hull]

lmao true

[compact sequoia]

technically allo elder is a saurophaganox

[limber hull]

carchar and giga will be fighting a giga with a red skin and a blue skin

[junior nymph]

how the hell does that have anything to do with what we are saying

[limber hull]

like the difference is visual

[compact sequoia]

carcha model is different to giga

[limber hull]

yes, that's it

[compact sequoia]

its ok

[limber hull]

and even the model isn't that different

[compact sequoia]

i want it

[junior nymph]

that is literally what he said

[limber hull]

and i want animals that actually serve a purpose rather than act as a way to make giga nesting harder lol

[compact sequoia]

devs want it

[junior nymph]

pale is your first language english?

[grizzled matrix]

it's like asking for Oxalaia when we already have Spino

[junior nymph]

yea

[limber hull]

literally all carchar does is create more difficulty nesting as a giga

[grizzled matrix]

Basically the same animal

[limber hull]

because you've divided the giga community into two, identical animals

[compact sequoia]

they could add it

[limber hull]

they could

but they shouldn't

[compact sequoia]

in game things are different

[limber hull]

adding things for the sake of adding things doesn't make good games

[compact sequoia]

bioengineering changed a lot

spino is mot accurate

so they can add oxalaia

i am sure carcha and giga will be different

this is the one time i like the game is not pebble to pebble paleo realistic

[grizzled matrix]

Bro The Isle's roster already suffer from roster bloat, let's not add other animals that are basicaly identical to already planned ones

[civic peak]

I’d rather the devs focus on the playable Dino’s they planed for then adding more. They have around 50 creatures planned, and I’m sure mods will fill in fan favorites that the devs didn’t make.

[hushed plaza]

They should be hard focused on making it better

Deleting my message over an acronym

Wild

[junior nymph]

cry about it omni main.

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-invincible-what-did-you-say-what-is17more-years-17more-years-gif-21913838

[hushed plaza]

what are you yapping about ive played omni once in my life

[junior nymph]

||im joking gang|| but I dont think its too big of a issue

[hushed plaza]

I dont get the joke

[topaz crane]

Don't start argueing please

[hushed plaza]

of course im gonna cry about desync, it ruins the game

[cold garden]

I mean personally, I'm fine with them adding dinos that are clones of other dinos, but rather than making them from a game standpoint a different dyno they could just make it a different skin. For instance you can play either giga or carchar, they play the same and have the same abilities but look a little bit different.. could do the same with Omni and Utah when it comes out, the player chooses between feather or no feather ect

[limber hull]

Utah will be a standalone animal with its own abilities

[grizzled matrix]

Well, iirc the do plan on doing something like this for Galli (choosing between bald and feathered Galli)

[lucid musk]

Mixpackers be hating on my suggestion

[limber hull]

I hate mixpacking, it's for people who don't know how to play well and choose to ruin the experience for others, that doesn't mean I like your suggestion

Stress is just not a very good mechanic

[lucid musk]

What else is there then against mixpacking?

[limber hull]

Arguably, such a mechanic only aids mixpacking. By debuffing vital combat stats like damage, speed, health, bleed resistance, you make it extremely easy to walk up to a dude as a small creature, inflict debuffs onto them and discord call a buddy to walk over and instantly win any fight against them

Teach someone how to screw someone over and they'll do it. Stress is no exception

[lucid musk]

Okay yeah thats true

[late flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271957438278668382/1371625000326660146/persona.gif

@vocal parcel

[quartz meteor]

@vocal parcel “Remove swamp as a spawn for Omni.

It's annoying as an experienced player but I'm trying to imagine what kind of experience a new player would have spawning there 3 times in a row. I would personally quit right there, Everything about it is awful.”

Honestly at this point just remove swamps from every Dino. Nothing can survive there because no one goes to swamps

All you see are dead baby herreras and dead baby Omnis in the ocean

[vocal parcel]

My personal fave method is to pick fights with pigs so my body can mb help 1 more poor lost soul that spawns there 😢

[quartz meteor]

Hahaha

[quartz meteor]

Honestly… I’ve grown a Deino to a decent size off of all the suicidal deaths of omnies and herreras 😂

Just swim around eating all the dead bodies

😆

[crude girder]

Sorry for the delayed reaction, but couldn’t you solve this the way BoB did initially, by making bigger slower animals stress small ones, rather than the inverse?

By the time a velo would stress out a trike enough to matter they’ve long since died to a stress-induced heart attack lol

[solar elbow]

@lucid musk I'm with you on that mate and its plenty of us not appreciating the mixpacks. Not showing on your feedback but trust me, plenty of us are sick and tired of this nonsense. Lucky they can do VC as it would be impossible to communicate to other species otherwise but it doesnt ring any bells on them. Its no rules!!! Well, if you use an external system to communicate to another dino it means that you're actually breaking the unwritten rules already. I really hope they will find a way as I dont want my Rex getting smash like nothing by a mixpack just for the fun of killing a Rex,.. I see it coming and Im already p*ssed!..

[urban flax]

Oh no my omni pack took too long to find a good ambush opportunity against that one dibble, now we're all stressed out :(

The issue is such as system is 90% collateral damage and 10% actual mixpack prevention

[crude girder]

Okay so hear me out

Wouldn’t your pack members reassure one another to reduce the stress a single Diablo applies against you, for one, and for two wouldn’t it have some form or range to it where you could, presumably, plan your ambush without standing 5-10 feet from it?

Like I agree it’s tough and you’ll have cases of players using stress against others

but a lot of cases people come up with are generally solved with one, maybe two tweaks that really should be a part of the system anyway

[faint folio]

@obsidian karma Stego does more damage than trike because trike has both more health AND pretty nice damage reduction buffs in its kit (passive face shield reduction as well as active block reduction when in sparring mode). The result of these effects combined is that Trike can functionally face tank the most damage in the entire game.

In other words, if the dinos were typical fantasy RPG classes, the trike would be like a warrior/paladin type build with a shield and sword combo and full plate armor, and the stego would be a barbarian with a huge warhammer/great sword and absolutely zero armor 😅

[urban flax]

Then mixpacking is not prevented
Range too short and the ability to cancel out stress debuffs makes the mechanic entirely redundant

[quartz meteor]

Yeah but after the first 20-30 minutes, those fresh spawn diets start doing nothing for carnos diet. And the reason I say dilo needs to be readded to carnos diet until we get a lipid herbivore “small game herbivore” is because carno is hugely lacking in the lipid department. Cerato only has 3 Dino’s on its diet for carbohydrates, but if you think about it, it is not as bad because you have 2 lungs, and the stomach more often than not always has more carbs. So yes, carno definitely needs more lipids. A strand of noodles from a dilo is not comparable to the entire body being lipids.

[crude girder]

I was using hyperbole with the 5-10 feet, but I agree cancelling out the stress mechanic entirely would make it reundant… Which is why you don’t do that?

BoB is our only real reference for stress, and they generally handled it well with the exception that you could counteract overpacking stress by forming a giant group and making friends with each other

We already have a built in counter to that, group limits are hard, not soft

[urban flax]

Alright you need to see the List

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

[crude girder]

Right off the bat #1 is the biggest issue, the rest can be fine tuned to “good enough”

You have to make the mechanic kill and balance accordingly

Non-fatal debuffs are a slap on the wrist, not a preventative measure

Your points about maximizing survival chances is a bit flawed imo, as the end result is what you’d call griefing

For example, I use alt accounts to feed up my adult rex, join up with a giant clan and purge everything else on the server

That maximizes my chances of survival since there’s no longer any competition and food is a non-issue

[urban flax]

There are different levels of abusing mechanics and gameplay

[crude girder]

I agree, but a lot of the cases you’ve brought up here imply a lack of effort to implementing a stress mechanic

4 and 5 are also kinda the same point

6 is contradictory, since “run away” is not deathmatch gameplay inherently

[urban flax]

It's moreso that they're unsolvable
Regarding range of debuffs for example, you're much more likely to have your "sweet spot" actually be a spot where it's too short to properly debuff mixpackers but long enough that non-mixpacking players are debuffed

[crude girder]

2, 3, 7 and 8 are all balancing issues that can be smoothed over

[urban flax]

It implies the other one is going to kill you
If I'm a teno I have no reason to be afraid of a trike lumbering around

[urban flax]

That's the issue
I don't believe they can

[crude girder]

You can always add exceptions to rules that don’t make sense

Like how, in BoB, most herbivores do not stress one another

[urban flax]

Someone who wants to purposefully abuse a mechanic needs much more restrictive measures than people who try to play the game normally
But these restrictive measures encroach on normal play

[crude girder]

Teno would probably have reason to worry about a big Trike coming to gore them, but the mere existence of one isn’t cause for alarm as long as you don’t go afk, so being stressed doesn’t make sense

[urban flax]

So mixpacking is allowed with certain species only 👍

[crude girder]

I think that’s reductive when you could rather easily draft up a list for a lot of these which address most issues

[crude girder]

That is the devs current stance generally

[urban flax]

I have yet to see such a list

[crude girder]

Herbivores hanging around with other herbivores is only an issue when you run into every apex herbivore on the map in one invincible death herd

A Teno doesn’t have to care about a Trike, but Trike and Shant shouldn’t be mix herding as that’s a bit too powerful, so the two would stress each other out and force one or both to relocate

[crude girder]

Not surprising since most people throw their hands up and say it’s unworkable without trying, citing modern BoB as an example since they never fixed the core issue with their system allowing exploitation

[urban flax]

So trike and shant must just kill each other on sight ? What if I, as a trike, made a nest right where a shant decided to stroll about harmlessly ?

[crude girder]

Who said they must kill each other on sight instead of, idk, the Shant seeing that, knowing you’re staying with the nest, and continuing past you instead of deciding to abruptly stop and force a confrontation?

Also if you have a nest it logically follows you’d want to make the parents more tolerant to stress to defend their eggs

Also also, for a viable nest in Evrima you need two adults, so it’d be two trikes likely intimidating a single shant

So the shant would rather move on than stay and try to throw hands for no reason

[urban flax]

It's still forcing a fight/confrontation that has no reason to be in the first place

[crude girder]

Which is how’d it would play out currently, but removes the shant stopping to vibe with the trike herd and protecting their nest from threats

[crude girder]

It does not have to be a fight

If the shant is passing through, right, it can just keep walking

[urban flax]

What about troodons deciding they want to follow a stego around for scraps of its victims ?
A ptera flying over literally anything ?
A deino hidden in ambush ?

[crude girder]

No fight needed, shant avoids being stressed from being too close to dangerous competition, trikes avoid having to chase it off

[urban flax]

There's so many edge cases and issues it would need a gigantic ruleset just to function properly

[crude girder]

I disagree, those are pretty easy

[crude girder]

Deino in water doesn’t stress land animals unless it surfaces. Surfacing is a detectable state in game already so you can pretty easily do that one

Pteranodon in flight I’d say varies on height. It should have no ability to stress other players but should get stressed if it flies too closely to land animals, as it controls the engagement

Troodons would get stressed if they were pressed right up against a Stego, but they are way faster and can tail from a distance instead of walking practically under its tail spike, the Stego has no reason to be stressed by them unless they attack

[urban flax]

So these are all cases of allowed mixpacking

[crude girder]

Most animals with unique movement states like climbing can have stress disabled while active, huge size discrepancies can also disable it until combat begins

[urban flax]

What does the mechanic even prevent at that point ?

[crude girder]

Deino in water is needed to allow its ambush to function, but it’s pathetically easy to negate by walking slightly away from the water

Pteranodon is forced to stay away from land animals if it wants to mix pack in this system, as it receives stress but cannot be used to apply it. Nothing you can do to stop a Ptera flying at the max map height from being a UAV, universal problem with flyers

Troodons still have to keep their distance as they’d get stressed being buddy-buddy with a Stegosaurus

[crude girder]

Cases like Shant and Trike mixed herds that render them invincible otherwise (grazing prevents food from being a balancing lever on herbivores) or giant carnivore mixed packs

If you try using a Troodon to stress a Stego enough that an Allo could solo it, that’s not gonna work unless the Troodon commits to attacking the Stego

If it does, the Troodon is still going to get stressed first and the Stegosaurus has next to nothing to worry about from a single Troodon, so it can largely shrug that off

If you want to use a whole pack to stress the Stegosaurus you can, but at that point just bring 10 Allos

The Allo buddy would also stress their Troodon friends, so they’d have to wait far back until this has progressed

[urban flax]

But these all means these species can mixpack together, just need to have some numbers or keep their distance whenever they aren't fighting

Tho I can't even imagine the mess that it would be to calculate all that during a fight

[crude girder]

You can’t stop a Carno and a Cerato on opposite sides of the map from working together

But if you force enough distance it means they can’t reliably help one another

Breaking the groups up is what this system is meant to do

[urban flax]

You keep saying things like this
What's the range you have in mind ?
Because if it's 5km like you seem to infer it's pretty bad

[crude girder]

I would honestly need to test it out

Confidently saying “250 meters!” or something would just be unearned ego to think I can decide instantly what the right combination of size and scaling works

But I am confident you could tweak it until it feels reasonable without ruining normal gameplay

[urban flax]

That's where the issue really lies to me
There is no range that means "mixpacking is prevented but there is no collateral damage"
However there is definitely a range that doesn't efficiently prevent mixpacking but also causes collateral damage

[crude girder]

Collateral damage is gonna happen but it’s not neccesarily an issue if properly taken into account

That’s what I mean when I say we can balance it, you don’t have to shrug and accept like, rex instantly killing a Hypsi in a tree on the other side of a migration zone

Mixpacking cannot be prevented, but it can be made frustratingly tedious to navigate without crippling yourself

I.e. being too far from one another to provide immediate support or being forced to regularly disperse, leaving individual members vulnerable

[urban flax]

Is mixpacking so much an issue that it's fine to shoot down hundreds of innocent players in an attempt to lessen it ?
And I say lessen because you know it as much as I do, it wouldn't even completely prevent it

[crude girder]

I just said you can’t prevent it so no need to justify that lmao

But I’d argue yes it is, and also “shoot down hundreds of innocent players” implies a worrying lack of agency

Like “Sorry you played a small animal, you die when a trike spawns xd” is just braindead balancing

But anything less is just “hey you have to do X, Y or Z to mitigate the stress these larger animals are giving you, which are all things you’d probably do anyway when approached by a large and dangerous animal”

Like Hypsi scurrying into a tree would likely render it immune to stress from land carnivores, as it can’t be reached and it would know that. Herrera would be an exception

[urban flax]

Oh by the way I didn't mention ambushers who don't sit in water or climb
Like um
Rex

Or pretty much every carnivore who wants to ambush

[crude girder]

With ambushes, they’re usually single animals, rarely pairs or trios, and you can mitigate this with other checks

Like I don’t think a rex walking through a field is trying to be stealthy

But one crouching up through a bush? Could detect you’re trying to sneak around that way and reduce the stress you apply to other animals for a set time

To precent rexes from crouching through bushes in mix packs, your intimidation doesn’t go away fully, and will still apply after a short time

[urban flax]

So... crouching counters mixpacking stress debuffs ?

All of it is just to easy to abuse

[crude girder]

No, but it’d give you a bit of a buffer to get closer

Like again, why the hell would I suggest “Here’s the off button that obviously turns off stress, no drawbacks or downsides!”

That’s the opposite of balancing

Also worth noting despite its failures to counter megapackig

The BoB stess system was effective in reducing mix packing to an extremely niche event

Large herbivores herds get the okay, as do giant carnivore packs because of wonky balancing and oversights

But it is extremely uncommon to see, for example, a rex teaming up with a Coah

Or a rex and a ptera and a megaraptor

Herbivores and Carnivores hanging out in the same area too long are forced to fight or leave, which effectively ruins any chance of mixed packs and herds that way

Carnivores of different species are also highly intolerant of one another, so Omni/Cera/Carno groups wouldn’t be viable as they’d all need space from each other

At least that was the case

Then they nerfed stress into irrelevancy because their balance is ruled by clans

[icy lion]

@dusky fjord You dash wherever the camera is looking, use freelook to make horizontal leaps

[grizzled matrix]

I agree, the stam drain by ascending is too much, I hope it will be lowered

[dusky fjord]

I'm talking about more like dodging not forward dashing including the A and D keys in the movement action can make it harder to kill Dryo and make it more fun to play

[icy lion]

I know, I'm saying you can already juke sideways by using freelook

[dusky fjord]

Actually yes you are right but I am talking about having special animations for this and adding some more mechanics to the game for example while running you will suddenly press the A and RMB keys and the dryo will take a side step

https://tenor.com/view/sans-dodge-undertale-sans-dodge-miss-gif-4939065242189872678

[dusky fjord]

Something more like this .D

[icy lion]

I don't see how that'd be any different from how it currently works

[dusky fjord]

I don't know either I think it just looks a little more stylish and easier to use I guess I just want my friend dryo to get a little more attention

Also if it dashes horizontally it will be easier for to dodge from an enemy coming from the front because the hitbox will be smaller than the front if it was a sidestep

[wooden agate]

it can already do that though

[faint folio]

You'd be able to continue to look forward but dash to the side. With the free look thing, you have to look to the side first (taking your view off of in front of you) and then trigger dash in the direction you're looking.

Also, mechanically speaking, I don't often use freelook in the isle because it feels a little clunky to me. In other games where free look is the default, it's a little easier to turn your character while not looking in the direction of motion

[wooden agate]

not using freelook is wild

[vocal rover]

anyone else in the hordetest not able to hear rain?

[potent gazelle]

Maybe I miss it, but does anyone know how to open the map? Or is there any update on when the in-game map will be added?

[pliant elm]

There are only websites that have the map of The Isle. Copy your coordinates from the game and paste them on the map.

Vulnonamap.com

[lone kite]

#general-feedback message bro really drempt of dinosaurs dreaming

id honeslty really like an option for us to sleep to speed up stam regen and reduce the storms noise

but maybe instead of Dreaming of dinosaurs nearby it could be of random dinosaurs but there footsteps match the dinosaurs nearby so you could Dream of a Dryosaurus making heavy stomping sounds

[lone kite]

there are no plans to add an in game map or minimap to my knowledge but i would enjoy a map with a fog of war that resets when u die so u can find places uve been to but new places might be harder to locate

[still sinew]

Does anyone have a theory wht the ptera hold take off was changed to tap? My current theory is they wanted to create panic in the player when in danger/in general - aka for horror reasons -- either way i would argue that both should be in the game - similar to the waht shift's tap and hold both exist.

[brave trout]

I guess we can agree Ptera's stamina cost got raised by massive amounts but it's regen ability was left untouched

This is crazy

[pliant elm]

I thought they would make the ptero fun to play, but increasing the stam cost which was already high It's something I definitely didn't expect. At least they improved their spin in the air xd

[brave trout]

Honestly, I've never been bothered by the turn radius, in fact I think right now it's crazy way too cranky how tight the turns are, borderline unwieldy

[hidden crystal]

@ionic barn can the PTs not just terrorize you in the trees?

[random mirage]

My feedback on Pteranodon's new flight characteristics:

Removing Pteranodon's ability to sustain higher cruise speeds with the smart use of sprint (previous users mention momentum, I feel that fits too) feels like the biggest negative for me. I understand this change will make Pteranodon function more similarly to the other dinos, one fixed speed for cruise and one fixed speed for sprint. In flight it just makes it feels bland. I'll compare it to wow flying. I went from dragonflight style flight mechanics to just a 150% flying mount.

Not only does this flattening of Pteranodon's speed make gameplay more boring, it is more difficult to find food as a fresh spawn before you starve. You are no longer able to leverage this mechanic to make for more efficient flight.

Combat is more boring as Pteranodon. Instead of making tight, handbrake assist crop-duster style sweeping strikes with great forward speed when fighting, I feel like I'm just using slew mode and pecking spamming things.

The new turn radius:
I can recognize on paper it is a buff, however I very much dislike just how tight it is. It feels very cartoonish how tight I can turn. This also alters my typical combat as well.

With the old system; I am using every tool in Pteranodon's kit to maximum effectiveness. I swoop in with a combination of w to steer and dive; sprint to reach a blinding ~100km/h for the peck, instantly enter a slight climb, start my turn with W and utilize airbrake to tighten my turn radius for the next peck. It felt so satisfying to pull off.

With the new system; I am effectively a one-speed peck spammer with a cartoonishly tight turn radius.

I feel like the skill floor and ceiling have squished an order of magnitude and I personally don't like it. It takes away all of the skill expression of the playable imo.

Also how am I going to run from cannibals now? If they have more stamina they just win. I cannot leverage my skill anymore to defend myself or lose them through the forest.

[vernal jacinth]

@queen mortar if you’re getting that then it’s better to #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞
Seems like those issues get fixed sooner

[frank tapir]

should pobably put that in #general-feedback

[random mirage]

I will. I accidentally pressed enter on my first sentence instead of shift enter to make a new line. I have to wait 6 hours. I figure it is a good start for a discussion though

To summarize I feel it's no longer a nuanced system. I feel like someone that doesn't play Pteranodon looked at the flight code, removed it and just pasted what every other dino has for their movement.

[wooden agate]

i do agree it feels a bit off

im willing to wait for the full rework though for now before i form any true opinions, iirc what we have now is only about half of it

[random mirage]

I haven't been terribly active today but I'm hopeful that this marks the start of Pteranodon's flight changes. I will say It feels like they took Pteranodon back to a very basic, alpha-like state of flight. What may be happening is they're trying to un-spaghettify the flight code for future playables. Otherwise it seems unnecessary.

[limber hull]

Just as you discuss this, they just fixed ptera's thermals

[random mirage]

Ah. I have not interacted with that mechanic yet. My feedback is generally more combat focused so this being fixed doesn't really change my feelings on the new flight changes.

[lavish wadi]

Hmm i cant see slipstreams still, i know im flying against one because my stam is draining super fast but the game just looks normal - might be my graphics are too low to display it maybe.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

quite literally my only complaint about hypsi

[hidden crystal]

@sharp sentinel I say just let them focus on getting the climbing right for now. I'm happy to wait for them to make building in trees perfect later.

[tired quest]

@limber hull want to hear your view about the new Pteranodon taking flight.
doesn't the old one look better and more natural?

[limber hull]

i think the new one works perfectly for how they want to do it, and playing with it only makes me feel like this more

[tired quest]

@full pewter
I'm afraid that deino's play style won't fit very well with the elder system.
deino gains the ability to drown its prey effectively after it surpasses 6 tons, (and that is already a long time plus you are not like other playables can travel freely looking for fun)
even when you reach adult stage, most of the time you have to camp and wait at a spot for players to come, or track them along the river.
Adding another ticking time bomb—besides its constant need for food and the high cannibalism rate due to poor AI spawn/migration zone design for aquatic creatures—will eliminate the fun.

[tired quest]

That weird jump just looks very odd to me. If they want to make taking off strategic, why not focus on the running part to take off instead of removing it

[hidden crystal]

@full pewter can't wait to die of old age as a hypsilo every like 2 hours :')

[full pewter]

I think that’s more a Deino problem than a problem with the elder system

[tired quest]

and adding elder system to it makes thing worse

[full pewter]

If it were up to me, I’d make it 6hrs for Hypsy to reach elder, now that’s a challenge

[tired quest]

Is it possible to choose to become an elder?

[full pewter]

I also think people should see the elder system more as a bonus rather than the ultimate goal, just play the game like you have the past few years, and see if you reach elder

[tired quest]

irrc the raptor just keep growing after it reach 100%

[hidden crystal]

and that's all I live for 👿

[full pewter]

If you play right, you will become a prime elder. If you play crappy, you become a sickly elder. Prime elders will become sickly elders eventually though. You will become elder regardless of choice, there’s not a button or anything that will get you to elder stage, it will happen on its own

[full pewter]

Sounds like a challenge, see if you can survive as a tiny tier for 6 hours

[hidden crystal]

I've made it a good few hours protecting herbivores from carnivores and juking them in bushes

[tired quest]

welp, i guess that means to raise 3-4 deino on different derver, log on to see if anyone in that area and log off

[hidden crystal]

can't say I've reached 6 though sheeeesh

[tired quest]

fine by me though but Im sure thats not very fun for the others

[full pewter]

I do think the Deino social climate will change once spino arrives, cause now they all have a common enemy

[tired quest]

I mean it took too much effort to travel and even you do make it to the mz or pz there is usually nothing there
adding elder system to deino that constant remind you that you are wasting your playtime isn't very fun

honestly I think south plain is a really bad design to deinos but it forces ppl to go there

[full pewter]

Again I think this has to do with problems outside of the elder system that need fixing, and I do agree with you. The migration system as a whole is extremely flawed and needs fixing. 100 server limits are far too low for gateway (Deino does better with high server limits anyway). There needs to be more connections between waterways. Deinos hunger drain needs to lengthen (even if it’s already slow), and its night vision needs to be buffed. And there should also be more aquatic AI, both in numbers and species diversity.

[full pewter]

That’s a hot spot problem, stems from a bad migration system again, and carnivores having each other on their diets

[full pewter]

@flat talon There’s an unstuck command, I think you just have to type /unstuck in chat

There’s a cooldown though, just note

[flat talon]

@full pewter thx like a charm

[full pewter]

A pleasure, glad to hear😎

[proper bluff]

@full pewter about the dying of old age mechanic, i agree that it should be executed VERY carefully, but in my opinion, that mechanic shouldnt be a thing, or atleast it should work differently than dondi said
on the stream he said that if you dont want to be an elder, your dino will be weaker, but if you do want to be an elder, you will be stronger, but your dino will die of old age
imo, it should work different, you should get an elder either way, if you'd choose for your dino to not die, your elder will be stronger, but if you do choose your dino to die, your elder would get much stronger than the elder that wouldnt die of old age
IMO this idea would be better, because tell me, what is the point of playing (lets say a trike for example) somewhere near 20h to get an elder, but you know you will die eventually so what's the point of playing it, but this strongly depends on how long will you be able to play as an elder, up to 5, 8, or maybe 10h after reaching the elder status?
as you said, it absolutely needs to be executed carefully

this idea might be a bit too op for the bigger dinos, but lets be real, only a few players will manage to actually get to an elder size as a lets say deino or trike or rex

[junior nymph]

well look

we know you will get buffs from becoming elder. making it so you reach elder and still get stronger without dying that will just mean thats the better option for most players. Making it so you choose to either keep at adult but you will just get worse and worse overtime or you choose to be a elder being larger and having more fun for like 2-5 hours then you die. It will mean also that if you get bored you wont just jump off a cliff to play something else as you are bored. But with elders you will want to keep alive till dying of old age for those buffs in your next life giving a good cycle instead of just pvp pvp and more pvp

but I do agree if they do it wrong it might just be a issue

[lavish wadi]

no lie i keep being jumpscared by these HT bushes

[full pewter]

Dondi said your dino will die naturally no matter what

Player won’t have a choice in that, it’s either play well and become a strong elder, or play crappy and become a weak elder sooner

[wooden agate]

dying is optional, growing old is not

this was confirmed in the recent stream

[proper bluff]

then what's the point of playing the larger dinos and wasting so much time when you will eventually js die

[full pewter]

He said eventually your stats will decrease to the point where it’s very hard to do anything, you can have group mates keeping you alive as long as you want, but once your at this point you might as well be dead

[wooden agate]

yes but that is different from being forced to die lol

[full pewter]

I think we can expect large Dino’s to take literally forever to reach elder. I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes two thirds of a day for Rex, maybe even longer. And Cama??? Heck 48hrs would make sense

[full pewter]

You technically are being “forced to die”

The game won’t do it itself, but it is doing everything in its power to make dying the best route

[wooden agate]

if you want the massive buffs that come with the elder system, sure

if you don't, you're not being forced to die

[wooden agate]

yes it's the entire gameplay loop

don't expect to be rewarded because you go out of your way to avoid the natural order of things

[full pewter]

I think we both understand the intent of the elder system then

[proper bluff]

yea in camas case i could see that happen lmao

[lucid sinew]

4 call broken for trike in hordetesting

Also...surely they are trolling with these new calls right? The old calls were far better.

Sounds too much like 2014 godzilla atm

[wooden agate]

i fear you may be in the minority for this one

[lucid sinew]

I stand firm. At least when it comes to the calls.

My 4 calls could just be bugged

[hidden crystal]

@valid zephyr could you possible take a clip of it? I haven't played a second of trike.

closest thing I can think of today is like a rhino and yeah they don't make a single noise before they decide to jump you - they don't try to warn you away because they know they could just trample you lol

[valid zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ZpRpKNep0

7:55

[hidden crystal]

uhh

you got a timestamp?

[valid zephyr]

it's also a far bigger animal than a rhino, with it being like the largest elephants

[valid zephyr]

7:55

The old trike 3 call was one of my favorite calls in the entire game. It was just so menacing and real seeming

[hidden crystal]

haha, its like its throwing a tantrum

[valid zephyr]

yeah it's now like a 5 year old who you just told is not getting sweets

https://tenor.com/view/canddy-gif-27581953

[hidden crystal]

and indeed I just meant by scale - there were likely few things bigger or stronger than it similar to the modern rhino.

[valid zephyr]

it's especially jarring due to how good the other trike calls are

[hidden crystal]

I think your case would be stronger if you made a small clip of that and added that to your feedback

[valid zephyr]

this one lost everything which made it a good call

i got no clue how to make clips. the recording stuff i used to use broke somewhere along the line

crashes my PC when i try to clips gameplay footage

[hidden crystal]

here you go

sorry I was trying out a bunch of different websites that claimed to let me download youtube videos or make clips but none of them worked so I just recorded it myself

[valid zephyr]

ooh thanks! ❤️

[hidden crystal]

I like that it ends with "Super different!" 😂

[valid zephyr]

oh rip can't add it to an existing message

also seems that clearly some people prefer the new trike call. i have no clue why

[hidden crystal]

yeah you have been cucked by the 6 hour slow mode but if you repost it with that clip I'm sure you get " ✅ 28 " at least

that might be hopeful

[valid zephyr]

i get the bad feeling that everyone will prefer the new call as they couldn't read more subtle old one. it has to be jumping up and down screaming for them to be able to feel it's scary

[hidden crystal]

Yeah it will be hard to tell without a comparison with the old call but if you make this same arguement I'm sure more people will understand

[valid zephyr]

I suspect that people will prefer the new call as it's more 'movie monstery'

[hidden crystal]

Interesting. I could definitely see that. Sometimes I wonder if I'm secretly playing jurassic park the video game because of all the human built structures and soon-to-be humans themselves.

People around here often argue wtf the term 'realism' means lol

some parts of the game are too realistic and others...

well they're the new trike 3 call

[valid zephyr]

I liked the low rumble as it felt real. but looking at all the youtube vids of people just ignoring animal body language, i'm not suprised people prefer the loud roaring

[hidden crystal]

or the ai alpha fish/shark being able to swallow a fully grown bepi whole is a better example
no it isnt

[valid zephyr]

so many vids of people trying to pet large herbivores who have aggression showing on every inch of their body.

and yet they're still suprised about getting stomped or flung.

[valid zephyr]

people seem to argue for realism, unless that realism could make something easier (like baby feeding or ptera quad launch).

Then they prefer it being fictional for the sake of being more inconvenient

[hidden crystal]

I mean yeah I feel like even the weakest dinos in the game would, in real life, at least be able to bite your fingers off like celery sticks - to be able to bite through branches and stuff? The hypsilo would surely be able to mess up a smaller dino like a troodon, yet getting pinned by a troodon is an immediate death sentence lol

[limber hull]

Troodon is literally three times hypsi’s weight

[hidden crystal]

and 1/3 the size by the time it can pin it to the ground

weight and size don't always line up in our hyper-realistic funny dino game

" un "

[valid zephyr]

troodon in particular has weird weight/health/size values in isle

most creatures are reasonably consistent about their weight matching their size and health

but troodon in particular has all that overridden for manual values

The result being it's basically made of lead

[hidden crystal]

I was ready to get into it with grass there for a second lol

but yeah toodon are funny little creatures

I only play small dinos like hypsilo or troodon

[valid zephyr]

I think it's because the devs had this idea of a particular troodon size in their heads, but then the weight and health given by that size is barely more than hypsi.

while they wanted carni able to take on humans

so it keeps the tiny size, while getting a higher weight than it should for that size, and a higher health than it should for that weight

Similar happened with dibble. It got given a realistic weight, but devs wanted it to be legacy niche and size. So in the hordetest it ended up as basically a helium filled animal.

Luckily that got fixed later on though

[hidden crystal]

well I can't wait for all these things we talk about to be fixed in a later update lol

I only play hypsilo and hypsilo climbing on hordetest is rough at best imo

[valid zephyr]

ideally i'd like troodon to get consistent health, weight, and size values relative to each other.

I've got no issue with unrealistic sizes, but I just dislike lead or helium dinos.

[hidden crystal]

if it ever got realistic health, like less than a hypsilo... nah theres just no world where that happens lol

A hypsilo be able to actually kill another creature?

even if the hypsilo bite does less than 1 damage per bite

[valid zephyr]

pretty sure it would have more health than hypsi still if given health/weight to match its model size.

just... not that much more

and if the model size got upped to match the health and weight, it would be looking a human in the eye.

[hidden crystal]

what I mean is the hypsi isn't allowed to have a fighting chance lol

[limber hull]

Hypsi doesn’t need to kill to have purpose. I find that kind of mindset frustrating. I enjoy hypsi because it is the definition of the bottom of the food chain

[hidden crystal]

nobody said that the hypsi needed to kill anything grass 🙄

[valid zephyr]

i do kinda wish hypsi had 21 hp, so a single dryo bite didn't kill it.

[limber hull]

Also, hypsi spit actually has been changed to have some great value against its biggest predator, as it can knock herreras out of trees

[hidden crystal]

we're happy being supports to other herbivores

[valid zephyr]

wait is hypsi 20 or 25?

[limber hull]

20

[hidden crystal]

20

[valid zephyr]

can't remember so many details anymore. too many bob values in my brain

[limber hull]

Troodon also was planned to be 40kg but I believed that was changed as people complained

[hidden crystal]

W lol

[limber hull]

I personally liked 40kg Troo

[hidden crystal]

wait what is

the current troodon weight

[limber hull]

60

[hidden crystal]

I've played troodon so many times and never checked

wow

okay not W

[valid zephyr]

i can't remember the actual values, but troodon is really weird when it comes to stats.

something like the model size says it should weigh 40kg, it's assigned 60kg, and its hp is 85kg.

or something like that

[hidden crystal]

my point was that hypsilos are not allowed to win any fights because they are purely meant to be an annoyance and are constantly referenced as such lol

[valid zephyr]

pretty sure dondi outright said hypsi shouldn't be playable when I asked why taco wasn't playable while hypsi was.

[hidden crystal]

so of course people would be outraged if it were possible to lose to a hypsilo as a troodon

[hidden crystal]

I don't know what this means but I will always be a hypsilo main. I just want them to continue to make it playable.

more-so*

it's a rough life as a hypsilo

4 more minutes until I can post my next feedback : ^)

[valid zephyr]

yeah now it's playable i doubt they will remove that

[limber hull]

It’s HP is 60

All HP is equal to weight

[valid zephyr]

troodon is the exception here, or at least was last time i heard.

all dinos had hp=weight.... except troodon

maybe it's changed since then, as i heard this over a year ago

[limber hull]

That was the case for one horde test

[valid zephyr]

isle qa mentioned it was still the case more recently than that

[limber hull]

Also I’ve been loving new hypsi climb. Biggest complaint is the server stuff, but for me that’s just AU problems

[hidden crystal]

I'm back

[valid zephyr]

found the quote

[limber hull]

No longer the case, thank god

I hated that exception, and I love Troodon

The buff just felt wrong for it

[hidden crystal]

well of course it is an improvement compared to just dying constantly but are you saying that you didn't experience problems like from my last feedback?

You can't escape from predators like that

[limber hull]

The HT troodon stam, however. Now that’s an excellent buff for it

[valid zephyr]

i like the consistency of visual size matching health and weight.

[hidden crystal]

I'm only talking about hypsilo climbing

not anything about weight or troodons or anything

[hidden crystal]

If you can honestly say that you didn't have any problems climbing then you didn't play enough

there are more complaints to be had than just server ping lmao

[valid zephyr]

i've not tried hispy climbing yet, but i've seen a lot of people dissapointed it's so clunky

[hidden crystal]

USW has one of the worst lag problems I've ever seen on a server

[limber hull]

IDK I’m having fun with it

[hidden crystal]

and only a fraction of it is in the video part of my feedback which I did not mention

[limber hull]

I think hypsi needs maybe a very slow climb move tho

Lemme reposition for my next leap

[hidden crystal]

thats exactly what my feedback is

[limber hull]

OH and give it MORE fall damage resist

Its climbing method is jumping. It should have the fall damage resist of a god

[hidden crystal]

we need to be able to slowly maneuver around slopes because the current single height jump doesn't allow you to do anythin but climb directly vertical

[hidden crystal]

did you just die to fall damage or something? lol

[limber hull]

Oh no I’ve yet to die to it

I just want hypsi to have legendary leaps of faith with no drawback lol

Would make it beyond fun

[hidden crystal]

well I think you might enjoy this

[limber hull]

I probably already upvoted it lol

[hidden crystal]

but also we do take significantly reduced fall damage with this update

[limber hull]

I’ve unironically been waiting months for this hypsi change

No, years

[hidden crystal]

I didn't take a fall damage in all of my testing and I jumped off the longest branch of the tallest tree I've ever seen in the game

[limber hull]

Trike is not the only animal they added this patch. They finally added hypsi lol

[hidden crystal]

real lol

it is amazing to be able to climb but it needs to be refined heavily imo

[limber hull]

The current HT patch has been a delight. Trees full of hypsi, pteras swooping and pecking because they ALSO got reworked, and herreras stalking around

Literally added an entire arboreal ecosystem and told no one

[hidden crystal]

like how am I supposed to defend my tree if I can't face directly down and drop vomit into my enemies eyes

[hidden crystal]

I hope that we have the ability to snipe PTs out of the sky like we should herras in trees. I can't imagine the horror of a PT pecking your children and eating them in one bite.

seeing as they can kill a fully grown hypsilo in a tree in 2-3 fly-by pecks

have you not seen this happen on HT at all?

[limber hull]

Yesss make PTs fall when blinded

[hidden crystal]

yessss 💕

[limpid bear]

thoughts on the new troodon envenomated effect that will be impemented?

[hidden crystal]

@limber hull oh I didnt' share the second part of that post talking about the herras and PTs

yeah I need to watch those little bastards fall out of the sky - too many times have I been one-tapped by herrera or slowly pecked to death by PTs. I want my revenge dammit! lol

Let us be the new tree oppressors since we have literally nothing else going for us

let us protect our herbivore buddiest even better by discouraging the creatures that they cannot reach

[limpid bear]

uprising

[hidden crystal]

vengeance!!

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-gif-18213363

[limpid bear]

i am HYSPI

the spit needs to knock down herras and pts

[hidden crystal]

Imagine any area where hypsilos nest must be devoid of herrera or there is a constant war going on between the trees

[limpid bear]

the pts will hopefully be so surprised they forget to press space bar and fall to their deaths

[hidden crystal]

I live for that

the war of the trees

[woven bane]

it can i’m pretty sure

[limpid bear]

Damn

[hidden crystal]

and no, we hope that """"""""""realistically""""""""""" the dinosaur that the person is playing is so surprised by being blinded that they swipe at their face to try to cure it, only to fall to the ground like a rock.

[limpid bear]

I haven’t really been able to try

[hidden crystal]

but hypsilo spit only goes a few meters

so the PT, unless trying to assault a hypsilo nest high up in a tree, would only ever fall a few meters and be fine

[limpid bear]

Stupid evil pt player killed my hypsi who was hanging out on a tree branch

[hidden crystal]

stupid evil pt player killing me while I'm just trying to regain health and stamina in a bush...

[limpid bear]

Yup

[hidden crystal]

they will watch you run into a bush from 3 km away and fly over to peck you on the head one time

and you're dead

(if you're already injured)

[indigo gulch]

I mean, now that everyone is playing hypsi, they finally have something that can die to their pecks

[hidden crystal]

??????????

finally?

PTs terrorize me constantly

[indigo gulch]

Yeah but how often do you think hypsi’s are seen normally

[hidden crystal]

probably never because nobody plays them currently lol

it's just me suffering because I'm trying to stick to my herbivore pack that I'm defending

[indigo gulch]

Ye now they can actually hunt something and live off players

You know, for as long as the hypsi hype lasts

[indigo gulch]

🤨

[hidden crystal]

☠️

you're missing the point

[indigo gulch]

Isn’t it’s supposed to be “DON’T do onto others what you wouldn’t want others to do to you”

[hidden crystal]

this is not a new development - to do anything other than sitting in a bush as a hypsilo, then you are a meal for PTs.

they will see you moving no matter what from up high

[indigo gulch]

Yeah but I don’t see PTs going out of their way to find and hunt hypsis

[hidden crystal]

if you try to rest and watch your group they will see exactly what bush you watch from

[indigo gulch]

Usually just hunt hypsis IF they come across them

[hidden crystal]

they do I promise

freeeee food

2-3 hits dead for a fully-grown and surprisingly nourishing meal : ^)

sorry not find but if they do catch a glimpse then it's sometimes game over

and it's impossible to be in a bush at all times

[hidden crystal]

@scenic hollow thats an #ai-feedback moment right there

[scenic hollow]

they do not look in ai feedback lmao, they have only made ai harder to kill and harder to find

[hidden crystal]

Yeah sounds like ai in general to me rn in terms of finding them, but the code for the game is just so inefficient that it can't seem to support both players and the Ai needed to feed them without causing serious problems for servers. They need a serious overhaul and update to the structure of the game for sure but that might just never happen this deep into development when updates take as long as they already do.

I haven't noticed the harder to kill part though. That just seems annoying.

Though I have noticed things like getting one-hit by a pig as a nearly grown troodon - that doesn't seem right after I just spent all my stamina riding it's back and ripping chunks out of it lol

[junior nymph]

@amber vigil smaller things make less noise larger ones make more. Ambush creatures should make noise in bushes unless they are crouching imo

[scenic hollow]

goats and deer can now attack meaning smaller creatures like troodon and ptera literally just cant kill them even full grown, keep in mind a dev told me that the intended method for troodon to grow before venom was to hunt goats, they have literally removed troodons intended food source in the same hordetest they made it harder to scavenge by making it slower. oh and dont forget they reduced fish spawns too

• Reduced fish schools in some lakes"

[amber vigil]

would be very nice too and can replace my idea

[junior nymph]

@verbal trellis they were testing growth stages.... and adding hype it wont be long

dondi literally said he was growing from juvie to adult

[pliant musk]

thoughts for my feedback would be nice, too.

[junior nymph]

hordetest

[pliant musk]

?
Did they solve that problem in hordetest?

[junior nymph]

alot of the animations and attacks are faster and you can now kill things like carno, cera and dilo well

[pliant musk]

LMFAOAOAO

[junior nymph]

maias are scary man

which is good they should be its a midtier

[pliant musk]

Agreed

[junior nymph]

shouldnt be fearing a corpse bully and small game hunter

[pliant musk]

nah cause bro

in the normal branch, u have no idea how annoyed I get when I fight ceras and I cant stance switch cause im getting hit

https://tenor.com/view/skype-mad-emoji-angry-pissed-off-gif-16111410

[junior nymph]

I do

[pliant musk]

u play maia?

[junior nymph]

me and a friend (mostly my friend) play maia ALOT

[pliant musk]

oh?

did they fix that problem in hordetest?

[junior nymph]

I dunno if the stance switch thing is fixed

have not played on HT in a hot minute so

[pliant musk]

ima switch over real soon

[junior nymph]

as in maia on ht

[pliant musk]

yea

[little oyster]

I've made a suggestion on how I think Hypsi Climbing could be improved, as a Hypsi Main. If you're interested please have a look at it Here: #general-feedback message.

[limpid bear]

i agree with ur points tbh and it would be ver easy for the devs to implament it all

[little oyster]

On the Grass suggestion, they could maybe Just use worst versions of the Grass outside of that radius. For example worse quality models without simulation that at some point stops moving and then eventually turns into billboards.

[limpid bear]

the grass models really need to be tweaked in ht

[pliant musk]

did they reduce Maia's top speed in HT?

[junior nymph]

no