general-feedback-discussion

[ornate spade]

Yes but the extra weight is a no factor when you have tonnes of extra resistance and thus lift

Otherwise there would’ve been no reason to evolve that big to begin with

[normal shuttle]

where wings are weightless and also square cube yet again

[glass mulch]

again, if this were true you'd see planes with wings twenty times larger than they have today to save on fuel

[livid shale]

Can happen in future projects since game is currently under development and probably will be for as long as im gonna play the game

[glass mulch]

🫵 🫃

[faint folio]

Drag is bad. Drag means you have to exert more force to maintain a constant speed to maintain constant lift. High-lift low-drag is ideal (but hard)

[normal shuttle]

Pterosaurs evolved to be huge in the cretaceous because smaller ones got outcompeted by birds

not because of flight efficiency

[acoustic spruce]

I posted something similar now that I remember a while back comparing the cerato textures

[glass mulch]

Reasons to evolve that big:
-Threatened by less predators
-Avoids competition with smaller pterosaurs and birds
-Intimidation to avoid confrontations
-Preference in mating

[ornate spade]

Different story entirely as they’re made from primarily aluminium which is far heavier than cartilage. Also their wings are massive compared to the size of the plane itself, also they use a completely different technique of flight using the engine rather than flapping action

[glass mulch]

okay then we'd see gliding crafts with wings that big

[plucky plank]

Oversized wings are a cool concept, looks great in art when done right and all that good stuff.
But could you imagine trying to hunt something in the forest with wings 2x bigger than you need? No two trees will grant you passage unless, as mentioned above, you're an insect of some kind xD

[glass mulch]

which we do not

[ornate spade]

Pterosaurs evolved before bird were even a thing this is flat out wrong

[faint folio]

You know, I wonder if that big fin isn't for stability because the beak these guys have causes instability? I don't know that, it's just a very interesting example of fast fish with large fins for once (but look at how small and thin the tail flukes are)

[normal shuttle]

yet they fly and abide by the same principles of air physics

and body physics

[glass mulch]

they evolved to their largest during the cretaceous, which is what he just said

pterosaurs evolved before birds, yes. But they grew to their collosal sizes during the cretaceous when birds were around.

[ornate spade]

Approx 228 million years ago pterosaurs evolved, birds evolved 165 million best guess

[glass mulch]

Jurassic and especially Triassic pterosaurs are in general quite small

[glass mulch]

again, he knows

[normal shuttle]

that is not stopping newer animals from being better at some niches. If so, then evolution wouldn't be a thing really

Birds appeared and some pterosaurs were around, and birds were just better at being small predators in forests and such that the smaller ones couldn't compete and thus only larger ones thrived, especially those we would find in coastal and open areas

[ornate spade]

Yes but many of the first “birds” like archaeopteryx weren’t even capable of powered flight

So they wouldn’t have even competed with them

[glass mulch]

Still Jurassic

[faint folio]

Yeah so their wing muscles must be strong enough to provide lift and thrust, whereas aircraft only need their wings to provide lift. Planes also fly a lot faster than pterosaurs, and lift is proportional the square of velocity (which is why they can fly when they're made from metal)

[glass mulch]

when Pterosaurs were mostly small

Dearc is the largest Jurassic pterosaur, right?

[normal shuttle]

they competed in the same niche as smaller pterosaurs. A glider but this one grows just as fast if not faster, can glide or even flap more, is stronger for its size, it is FAR more competent in land it and it can climb

Perfectly reasonable that one of the reasons for bigger pterosaurs could be to avoid competition

[faint folio]

As an aside hummingbirds are interesting because they actually don't fold their wings on the backstroke - they actually get some lift from the backstroke as well, which is pretty unique for birds

[glass mulch]

Different wingspan estimates for the largest pterosaur for their first 70~ million years

[ornate spade]

My point is the pterosaurs needed millions of years to evolve, not just oh there’s this bird here let’s get bigger

[normal shuttle]

10kg rats

[glass mulch]

That was literally what happened

Pterosaurs had evolved for millions of years

[ornate spade]

Thus the reason for their evolution couldn’t have been there’s birds here now let’s evolve

[glass mulch]

In the Jurassic we see pterodactyloids take shape and compete with rhamphorhynchoids

but they remained small

[ornate spade]

They were already in the process of evolving bigger before birds even existed

[normal shuttle]

yeah that's what happened, plus evolution isn't animals poofing into existence. The ancestors of birds had evolved and been around for as long as the ancestors of the pterosaurs who got to see birds

[ornate spade]

Probably competing with other pterosaurs, not birds

[faint folio]

I mean... They coexisted for millions of years together. That's more than enough time for selection pressures to nudge pterosaurs to get bigger

[ornate spade]

Birds occupied smaller niches are were outcompeted by pterosaurs. Not the other way around

[glass mulch]

That they were doing too

Pterosaurs competed with one another and birds

Pterodactyloids started becoming larger, evolving more efficient flight with less drag, having reduced tails and more optimised skull shapes for aerodynamics

[ornate spade]

Birds couldn’t evolve bigger because pterosaurs were already there, thus they didn’t need to compete with them

[glass mulch]

Rhamphorhynchoids opted to stay small

and became extinct when birds started taking hold of more and more niches

[normal shuttle]

smaller ones went extinct. Larger ones didn't

It's not like pterosaurs who were threatened by birds just evolved. They were different populations

[glass mulch]

there were potentially environmental problems as well for the Rhamphorhynchoids, but in the end mostly the larger ones remained

[normal shuttle]

and birds were what led small, insect-eating, forest-dwelling pterosaurs to disappear

partly

[glass mulch]

There were still small pterosaurs throughout and by the end of the cretaceous

but they were rare

[normal shuttle]

well yes

maybe less common is better

[glass mulch]

yeah that's a better word

[ornate spade]

Point is, birds killed off most smaller species in forested areas, but the big pterosaurs were no match for them and had already begun the gigantism evolutionary path long before they came on the scene

They’d been progressively evolving for more than 50 million years In that direction before even archaeopteryx (a heavily debated “bird”) even came on the scene

[normal shuttle]

yeah, that's how it works. They were already around and thus there could mostly be speciation from larger ones because they were the ones who didn't get wiped out

[glass mulch]

Triassic pterosaurs were tiny, most being small enough to be held in your hand with wingspans around the size of a common ruler
Jurassic pterosaurs were also very tiny. The largest were around the size of a housecat, which is big but not at all giant. There's a lot of diversifying going on here.
Cretaceous pterosaurs were suddenly absolutely gigantic and all the smaller ones died out suspiciously closely to diversifying bird groups.

[normal shuttle]

Pterosaurs in the late Jurassic be like

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-wwe-turning-around-meme-gif-24430666

[glass mulch]

Small pterosaurs were probably around their most diverse at the late jurassic actually

Pterodactylus, Anurognathus, Rhamphorhynchus

All of these guys are around when birds first emerged

[normal shuttle]

to be expected

[glass mulch]

And then, when birds diversified, they died out

suspicious...

[normal shuttle]

they just proved to be better suited. It is what it is

to be fair small pterosaurs had it rather easy with literally no other flying vertebrate around

[glass mulch]

I completely forgot how early Dimorphodon was

I thought it was mid - late jurassic

damn

[normal shuttle]

imagine that

just having to worry about other pterosaurs mostly

[glass mulch]

mid - late jurassic truly was peak

[normal shuttle]

and even then most of them eat bugs and fish

ofc it got suddenly tougher when new competitors who have the same advantages of pterosaurs but none of the drawbacks showed up

[normal shuttle]

truly

[glass mulch]

toothed pterosaurs my beloved

🙏

Who decided that these guys were allowed to exist?

[normal shuttle]

absolute cinema

so yeah, I will arbitrarily declare

quetz at less than 700kg should be 3h ish

more than that closer to dibble or even 4h

let ptera have value and exist

[glass mulch]

I hope the ptera rework will make it nicer to play

I'm a sucker for good flight mechanics, so I hope...

[normal shuttle]

I have very high hopes for it

All I want for ptera is to be less PvE leaning in a PvP oriented game

and then better land movement

And I was promised both, besides the flight

[proven fossil]

i did

[acoustic spruce]

Y’all related?

[normal shuttle]

@vital badge haven’t you thought that rotting ai meat is largely unknown and unintended tech and that you risk the devs patching it by mentioning it?

💀 💀 💀

Tysm bro

[barren crater]

Why would that be unknown

[normal shuttle]

Most people don’t know about this and I wouldn’t be surprised if the devs didn’t really consider it

That of just splitting ai into chunks to get diet as deino or cera

[barren crater]

Maybe. Would be odd for them to not know though

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message as much as id like that probably wont happen… unless they hire payed staff

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message I dont think its recommended

[frank tapir]

not very good player representation

[urban flax]

Ceras are getting into that "cooking" trend now
This issue needs to get nuked

[latent olive]

oh my god

[winter geode]

add in game reporting system PLEASE -

*its not fair to admins manually responding to dms and server @; and to the players who never get a response. ive been there multiple times

*better chances for cheaters to actually be banned

-EDIT-

after talking to some admins, it seems that they have tried it and it was SPAMMED by false reports made by cheaters, and made the feature almost useless. we know that their recourses and time are limited so here's a CRAZY IDEA -

If a person in disc brings attention to a cheater to an admin AND gets successfully banned, you give them a role that gives access to a ticket reporting system. after a few months you'll have tens to hundreds of trusted and active players that wont just spam false reports.

Long term, friends of these users or ppl in disc might start sending their reports to them instead of an admin, where it can reviewed by them and deemed deserving to send it thru to the closed ticket system where it can be reviewed by actual admins. complete top down approach that would weed out false reports and create trusted disc users who just want cheaters banned, and increases the likelihood of a report leading to a ban.

posted this in #general-feedback go upvote if you think it could be a good idea

[normal shuttle]

I used to do that

But I get mad when people bring it up

because then devs remember it is a thing

let my tech remain in obscurity bruh 😭

[urban flax]

Let it be erased from existence

[normal shuttle]

upvotes are meaningless tho

[urban flax]

Oh you're not a hater anymore

[winter geode]

how do you mean

[normal shuttle]

why did this guy have to say it

[ashen shell]

#general-feedback message
seems like people just want ark on ue5...

[normal shuttle]

that they don't really matter, devs will read things anyway and consider. They said they don't really care about upvotes and downvotes

[urban flax]

It was already well known for deinos
I just didn't know ceras were that petty to use it as well, despite having plenty of food available

[winter geode]

i tohught that theyd mostly filter thru the low upvoted ones

[normal shuttle]

peak nickname

[ashen shell]

my guess was they get a bot to round up suggestions with the most votes

[winter geode]

thank you for letting me know

[ashen shell]

fow wealsies

[normal shuttle]

nah, maybe I can see a dev ignoring a suggestion with 50 downvotes but that's it

[normal shuttle]

yeah, for fish mainly. Not like it won't do much damage but it was a cool nonsense trick you could do with a boar as a juvenile cera

or with an elite fish if there were any

[urban flax]

If it's nonsense then it isn't cool

[ashen shell]

general-feedback is usually a 50/50 chance of having good suggestions and the other half is some stupid stuff, a skill issue or someone wanting an entirely different game

[urban flax]

50/50
You're generous

[normal shuttle]

if we were to consider entirely unique ideas, so that the good reposted ones aren't counted, then there would be far more bad takes than there are good ones

[ashen shell]

i liked that meadow suggestion. simple, enjoyable, genuine benefit for the game, relatively easy to implement (devs use a terrain brush or foliage brush or smth)

[normal shuttle]

and that's good since we get to discuss in this place

[winter geode]

i notice that the ones with most upvoted usually about the cosmetic sides of the game and it kinda worried me that they wouldnt see suggestions that could actually improve more important issues

[normal shuttle]

it is good to have quirky traits and secrets in your kit

[winter geode]

good to know they actyually read them

[ashen shell]

i wish it was impossible to make a genuinely bad suggestion that's usually caused by a skill issue or a bad experience but it would be extremely hard to monitor without bias

because this community has the biggest mix of great and awful ideas

[urban flax]

As long as they make sense and aren't based off mechanic abuse yeah

[normal shuttle]

Not hard to come up with terrible suggestions

I have my fair share of honest suggestions that people never liked

ever since I joined in 2020

[ashen shell]

stuff like feathers or fur toggleable for rex, someone asked me why i didn't want it yesterday, i said personal preference. i understand wanting more customisation but there is a lot more the devs could be doing instead

[winter geode]

i suggested a queue skip for game crashes a few months ago and it got like no upvotes and the one above it was like add more variety of bushes with like 80 upvotes :<

[normal shuttle]

good then. I could forsake the AI cooking for something more interesting

[ashen shell]

remember i suggested herra have some resistance to other herra attacks and you swore against it 😭

[winter geode]

exactly its low priority stuff

[ashen shell]

i still think it's a valid suggestion but there are other matters

[desert arch]

Yet que priority got added

[ashen shell]

^^^

[winter geode]

i heard that, but not implamented in yet right?

[desert arch]

Its in the HT

The game will ask you if you want to rejoin the server if you open it after a crash

[winter geode]

thats awesome and i feel like is a must in live server games, if you guys play ones like rust then you know how good it feels to skip a 200 player q on wipe cause you crashed

[normal shuttle]

These are all the brutally downvoted suggestions that I remember I've ever done since I joined in 2020 (I had another account that I lost and is a deleted user):

1. Add Lambeosaurus plz
2. Add hybrids of dinosaurs plz
3. Downsize apexes and add them early
4. Give Acro a fat shield that is a health boost that replenishes after eating
5. Buff Austro in legacy and nerf Acro
6. Buff cera in legacy
7. Juvenile deinos running over the surface of the water
8. Bring back the extinct death screen and old UI
9. Add realism rules to evrima officials

all that I can remember

I probably made a lot more

[winter geode]

lmaoooo i like 9 tho

[normal shuttle]

no

it's so bad, it was April's fools

[winter geode]

nah if done right some rules would be rlly nice

or if some servers had a smaller map id like a lot

[normal shuttle]

no

realism rules are garbage

also more work to admins

[winter geode]

i dont really know what people have in mind for realism, but i can imagine theres a lot of awful ones lmao

[normal shuttle]

Oh right

almost forgot

[normal shuttle]

Sadly I can't find it, but I remember that I once suggested that brachi in survival should be like some sort of gardener of the island, walking around and causing plants with diets to flourish wherever it pooped, and thus herds would gather around the brachi

old me was so special

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message oh my a turk reference

[frank tapir]

that's not bad

[normal shuttle]

IT IS

[ashen shell]

i genuinely want dinosaur bowel movements so i can lay a fat one on a bunch of babies in a nest

[junior nymph]

I wanna poop on a small troodon as it looks at me with terror as he gets 1 tapped by the immense heat of my poop

[normal shuttle]

😭

[ashen shell]

what are realism rules usually like

[junior nymph]

as a brachi

[normal shuttle]

no herbivore aggression unless threatened by carnis first

body down rules
"no kos!!!" rules
no herbi on herbi aggression

[ashen shell]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-the-isle-kaperoo-path-of-titans-gif-23526684

[normal shuttle]

zero mixpack/third party tolerance

[junior nymph]

paragraphs of writing and if you do something that does not follow a tiny rule you get banned its peak

[normal shuttle]

all that garbage that ultimately only caters to bad carnivore players, not even good ones

[junior nymph]

gotta be on perfect behavior \

[ashen shell]

body down is total bs it's not realistic or fun

[junior nymph]

it doesnt work for evrima either

[winter geode]

game of the year if those exact rules are put in the game !

[normal shuttle]

in a legacy semi realism server I got banned for biting an adult rex as a velo (effectively doing less than 0.01% of its health) when there was a body around

[winter geode]

i support

[normal shuttle]

garbage rules

[winter geode]

jk

[junior nymph]

thats why no one plays on islanders server anymore

[winter geode]

the only on id ever like is some rules on mixpacking but thats just preference. like no carno/herbies mixing

[normal shuttle]

I hate realism or semi realism rules

I will die on that hill

they're a crutch for novice carnivore mains or those who didn't learn anything

such as taking away commitment from lying alongside your kill (even though you can hide and heal elsewhere) with body down

or putting several herbivores and especially pachy in bad spots since they need to be reactive when designed to do the exact opposite

[winter geode]

claiming territory would be cool, and an actual map

esp if they dont increase pop or decrease map size

[normal shuttle]

quad carch would be cooler

[winter geode]

dk what that is

[normal shuttle]

the ultimate, unreachable peak of carcharodontosaurus suggestions

[urban flax]

What would claiming territory even do or serve

[junior nymph]

pee on tree

[urban flax]

That doesn't answer my question

[junior nymph]

🙂

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/spook-spooky-scary-skeleton-spooky-scary-skeletons-gif-16675136

[junior nymph]

fine claw on tree

[winter geode]

literally, make your territory so other players can smell it like how you can with pz. it serves to attract players who want to pvp towards it

[urban flax]

That still doesn't answer the question you smooth toad

[junior nymph]

🐸

[urban flax]

Sounds useless

[winter geode]

played today for 3 hours today and didnt find a single player

[junior nymph]

its the Australian green tree frog for your information

[winter geode]

how useless?

[urban flax]

On a scale of 1 to 100, 95 useless

[winter geode]

its just for finding players to fight since map sometimes can feel empty and like running sim

[junior nymph]

but the isle is a survival game why would you want a pvp arena that you can smell

[winter geode]

its not an arena lol, it just lets players know who want to fight, where they could find u

[urban flax]

It's literally an arena

[junior nymph]

lol

[winter geode]

isnt that the whole game anyways?

everyone usually goes to sp anways when looking for fights

[junior nymph]

thats not by design though

what you are suggesting is

[winter geode]

it would be a small feature, for like a group size 3 or 4+ and minimum zize threshhold

[junior nymph]

thats like a full group for the medium tier carnivores

[winter geode]

for growing players, they could smell it and avoid it, for players who are hungry or want to fight, they could go towards it. it works fundementally the same as pz and mz, but could be player activated

we already have it in game like what are yall on about

whenever im a carnovore, my group and i follow the mz for pvp

[urban flax]

That's not an argument in favor of such a mechanic
It has absolutely no purpose in the context of the game

[winter geode]

youre playing word spaghetti , how do u mean?

[urban flax]

If the mechanic is already in the game, why add it ?
And as others have said before, The Isle is survival, not deathmatch

You're supposed to look for players or hide from them, not place a "let's go fight here" beacon and turn the place into a murder pool

[winter geode]

do you ever find yourself hungry as a carnovore and want to fight, but cannot find anyone? what do you usually do at that point, prob go to a mz or somewhere like sp where you can expect players to be. its literally the same concept, just player activated

[urban flax]

Yes that's why it has no reason to exist
Because there's already migration zones and patrol zones

Such a mechanic is only useful for large carnivores and completely useless, or even detrimental, for everybody else

[winter geode]

so do u hate mz and pz cause now when you enter its like a deathmatch?

[urban flax]

No

[winter geode]

what exactly is the difference

[urban flax]

Migration zones have an actual purpose

In that they're where herbivores can find food

[winter geode]

and so would claiming a territory, to kill players to survive and feed

[winter geode]

so why do they show up on carnovore scent???????????????

[urban flax]

Why would players willingly go to someone else's territory, it's literally a noob trap

[winter geode]

SO THEY CAN FIND PLAYERS

[urban flax]

As I mentioned a territory mechanic would only be somewhat useful to large carnivores
So if you smell one you know it's a large carnivore inside
So you simply avoid it unless you are also a large carnivore, but then you don't find food, only a competitor

[winter geode]

literally the only difference is that it would be player activated, by and group of herbies or carnivores

why not to herbies too

[urban flax]

No one but big carnivores would activate them, so useless

[urban flax]

Why would a herbi want to attract carnivores to its location ?

And who would fall for the bait ?

[winter geode]

so it can actually play the game.. and fight players. you talk like pvp isnt a part of the game, knowing damn well every herbi i see b lines straight to me to kill me

people like pvp

[urban flax]

I talk like the game is survival and not Deathmatch
Something you seem to not grasp

[winter geode]

or else they would go play other single player survival games

ur pro ragebaiter bro

[urban flax]

If a herbi wants to fight so bad, why make a territory which tells player "don't go there, there's a murderhobo in the area" instead of going to a migration zone, where they can actually find other players AND also be able to survive since there is food there

[urban flax]

thanks

[winter geode]

so players who dont wanna fight would avoid it, and players who do would go. its win win. no ones being forced to go to.. only if they want a challenge

[urban flax]

So the entire mechanics only exists to encourage KOS behavior lol

[winter geode]

i kill everything on site bro i dont need encouragement from that. its a survival game right? are we supposed to see players and sing kumbaya

[urban flax]

If you don't need encouragement to do it then why do you need a KOS encouraging mechanic ?

[winter geode]

and the only reason i do is bcs i get canni by everything and everything, no matter what im playing

to find players quicker. is it that hard to understand

somewhere you can smell where its a guarantee that there are hostile players

[urban flax]

I get why you want that
I'm trying to explain it has nothing to do in this game

[winter geode]

then they should remove pz and mz.. and add ai everywhere... cause it hs no place by your definition

[cyan flame]

I think you're supposed to stay alive, nothing more or less. If you need to fight, do so, if you need to run, do so. If you can ignore the other critter and still remain alive and safe and sound, do so. It's really rather simple.

[urban flax]

The purpose of migration zones and patrol zones is NOT to allow players to go kill each other constantly

[cyan flame]

Also, if a territory mechanic should be a thing, shouldn't it be for your own species only, that would be useful.

[winter geode]

it could be, but it would be more fun if it was smelled by everyone

or else it would be used for creating megapacks

[winter geode]

but it is an added affect. it actually does encourage it. herbies have to compete for the food if they wanna nest or just grow, and it would only be visible to carnivores if the devs wanted there to be KOS from all species

[urban flax]

Yes
That's why another KOS-encouraging mechanic is not needed

[winter geode]

when i play herbi in a group, we will other herbi packs if we need the food in mz, we love to kill the carnovores roaming there for kill too

[winter geode]

bro its not a roleplaying game LMAOOOOOO what do u mean

[urban flax]

It's a survival game

[winter geode]

every survival game is kos

[urban flax]

No

[winter geode]

well thats not how this game plays bro

[urban flax]

Even if it was the case, it's even more evidence it does not need to be encouraged

[winter geode]

theres no vc, theres no chatting with other species

bro it sounds like you suffer from a skill issue and just dont like dying to things

[urban flax]

You need to get your hearing checked

[winter geode]

im reading dummy

hahahhah

everyone has diff playstyles, im a more aggro player, and it seems like you like to play more passive and just chill. im just a little confused by why you dont like kos playstyles and what you think the game should be playing like

[urban flax]

I did not say I don't like KOS playstyles

[winter geode]

or ig if you wanted to say 'how the game should encourage no kos and how'

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[urban flax]

I fail to see what warrants extra encouragement since as you've put it several times before, "I KOS all the time", "me and my friend always KOS", and "I walways get cannied"
I fail to see what extra encouragement in that behavior would achieve

[winter geode]

but you dont like kos 'mechanics' but its a pvp survival game i just dont rlly understand where youre coming from

[urban flax]

I don't like redundant mechanics that do not actually mesh within the game's genre, gameplay or premise

[winter geode]

such as?

like could you gimme an example

[urban flax]

A mechanic that allows you to put a "come fight me" beacon

[winter geode]

are there mechanics that are in the game now that encourage kos and why dont you like it ?

[urban flax]

There are no mechanics currently in the game that encourage KOS and which I don't like

[winter geode]

so why do people kos? is it a bad thing?

[urban flax]

No

[normal shuttle]

not at all

kos is life

killing your own is life

[urban flax]

My reasoning is that they already do it without needing extra encouragement
Therefore any mechanic that encourages KOSing is redundant

[normal shuttle]

herbi on herbi violence is life

[minor field]

It’s quite fun at times

[normal shuttle]

stegos vs trikes

absolute warfare

or dibbles in a megaherd betraying everyone

[winter geode]

i can see that, but territory would also an optional event in game. the players that already kos would go, and the players who dont... simply wouldnt. it wouldnt change gameplay much for you and it would give players who want more pvp what they want

[minor field]

I like going as Maias against dibbles because they almost never expect maia to be more dangerous than it actually is

Maia stunning dibble with shove is incredibly funny

[winter geode]

mind you i ONLY think it would be a decent idea just because the map is soooo big and can be hard to find players

[urban flax]

I prefer mechanics which have an actual reason to exist and benefit the game's gameplay

[normal shuttle]

I love to play murder mystery in herds when I go steg, pachy or dibble

[winter geode]

it would, i dont like walking arouind a map for hours encountering nothing

for me itd be great

[normal shuttle]

or when I get nested

because I am a violent ape

[winter geode]

lmao i only kos bcs ppl kos me yo

:<

and cause i only encounter players once in a blue moon nowadays

[plucky plank]

Contributing to the problem. Sm0rt

[woeful latch]

excuses…

nothing stops you from just not killing..

[winter geode]

WOAH IT IS NOT !

[normal shuttle]

I kos when:

I am angry
I am attacked
I am happy
I am bored
I am growing and need many organs
I have a good patrol zone
I don't like seeing players moving
I see objects moving
I am paranoid
I am nesting
I am drinking
I am sad

[winter geode]

i like to pvp im not going to hell for it T^T

[winter geode]

REAL

[minor field]

I don’t only kos but I like doing it regularly

I honestly prefer jumpscaring people at times

[woeful latch]

if you get kosed by a cera pack that doesn’t mean you should kos that fresh spawn omni, if that’s what you mean by “i kos because im getting kosed”

[normal shuttle]

I don't do that only, I also have times where I eat, regain stamina or drink

[minor field]

Especially as maia since you’re such a hulking behemoth

[woeful latch]

i kos when:

-# cera.

[normal shuttle]

it's funny to be so brutish and such a irrational caveman though

[winter geode]

i dont kill babies thats too far.. unless its a steg cause i cant let that mf get grown

[desert arch]

Thats probably the cheesiest take of the day

[minor field]

I spare juvies unless it’s like, a rare circumstance

[woeful latch]

🫣🫣🫣

[normal shuttle]

I kos when my brain receives signals

I don't like that

stimuli are bad

[woeful latch]

lmaooo

[frank tapir]

I'll kos carnivores if I'm playing a herbivore, but other than that it'll just depend

[woeful latch]

i let stegos live, tho i kosed some south plains ones

[minor field]

That rare circumstance being a mix pack probably, like one that’s very obvious in trying to bait you in and you know what they’re trying to do so you play into it and allow them to fail their ambush and then you go and destroy the nest they were protecting

[winter geode]

bro i be getting SLAUGHTERED by other herbies even as a freshy

[desert arch]

Thats why I play troodon so I get an excuse to do it.

"But its my size so its fair"

[woeful latch]

oh yeah i see overpack or megapack? i 100% kos them

[woeful latch]

lmao, fair and valid

[normal shuttle]

I remember when half a server got super angry because I was a fg stego wiping out sp fresh spawns by biting them before they could reach the sanctuary or while they tried to eat the corpses. Ceras, stegos, tenos, troos, omnis, carnos, dibbles...

And I had like 10 people in global calling me out and saying I was a coward

[minor field]

If I can’t kill all the adults and they’re protecting a nest or juvies

Well then the gloves come off

[winter geode]

you were justified.. i stand with you

[normal shuttle]

I wasn't, that's the point

[winter geode]

they should have just gone somewhere else

[normal shuttle]

it's okay to admit you are the villain

[minor field]

This is why we don’t trust NOBODY here

[woeful latch]

i once got spotted by cera family and did order 66 thingy

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-star-wars-not-just-the-men-but-the-women-and-children-too-not-just-the-men-women-and-children-too-gif-17266839

[frank tapir]

that wasn't order 66

[woeful latch]

that was funny

[woeful latch]

i know…

[winter geode]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-gif-14948297

order 66 -

[normal shuttle]

oh right, I ALWAYS, like AAAALWAYS kos as an omni

But only other omnis

I betray and pin them down to show how nice, well designed, interactive and skillful pinning it

Giving them a taste of their own medicine

I once pinned like 20 omnis before being stopped

[minor field]

This raptor family had a bunch of teno and dibble body guards and the raptor came up and started 3 calling me before I hit it once with my shove and stomp for it to run

It then called over its maia friend and they were being the least obvious mixpack ever

Then I noticed the little nest behind the bushes where all the other raptors are and I gained an idea like ……

[woeful latch]

@vivid mason niche

[winter geode]

it always be by your own </3

[normal shuttle]

as I also yelled slurs and insults in caps in local

Whenever I show the screenshots I have to censor all of it

[desert arch]

@woven bane too

[normal shuttle]

I am just that salty

[minor field]

I’m curious now what these look like

[woeful latch]

dear god…

(gj heheh)

[normal shuttle]

I mean I could DM them if I find them

[woeful latch]

flows is the realest

[desert arch]

Bro pins any omni he sees, that got us killed so many times

[normal shuttle]

but definitely isn't something I would post here

[minor field]

Yeah I’d imagine….

[normal shuttle]

unless most of it is crossed out and urneadable

I just went ape sh as I had them pinned

[minor field]

I remember pinning an Omni once and I will never forget his reaction to it

[vivid mason]

I did this but in a pack

Murder mystery style

Oh god it was so fun, slowly picking each one off when they were separated from the group..

[minor field]

(He wished death upon me)

[normal shuttle]

or just before pinning, sending the message, pinning and then while they're about to go to the spawn I go ape sh again

[desert arch]

Rat in every game 😭

[normal shuttle]

fun and interactive

[minor field]

I still have the screenshot deep within my photos

[normal shuttle]

lemme show an acceptable one

[vivid mason]

Totally skillful aswell

[desert arch]

Deino cannibalism is so fun ngl

[vivid mason]

I love rats

[normal shuttle]

my first victim

[minor field]

I did a lot of that in spiro

[desert arch]

I love being called every slur known to man for killing a juvenile

[woeful latch]

MEHFKSHDJSJHDJSJXHDU NICE

[vivid mason]

LOL

[desert arch]

I still have some screenshots from the good old days

[woeful latch]

okay should i play canni troodon?

[normal shuttle]

there's some where I just sound flat out psychotic

[minor field]

I love seeing people conjure forth ancient curses upon your soul for killing their croc

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[vivid mason]

No

Omni I agree, they’re invasive anyways

But troodons are hard to find, at least adult ones

[winter geode]

insane person pov

[desert arch]

One person legit cursed my whole lineage in chat once LMAO

[junior nymph]

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/block-blocked-unsubscribe-unfriend-unfollow-gif-3908671000537993992

[vivid mason]

I held this message to react 😭 to it

I remembered I ran out of nitro..

[minor field]

This dude was like “I hope something horrible happens to you today” because I was playing canni steg, he said a bunch of other things that I still have the pictures of, it’s gold

[normal shuttle]

someone steam DMed me after they were teasing me (I was stego, they were deino but not adult) and a canni emerged from the water and snatched them

Called me a mixpacker and also not so nice things. He was part of some weird Isle clan LOL

[junior nymph]

the question is did you have a uno reverse?

[desert arch]

Like it was so bad I had to report it to an official admin, and they found ut funny as well

[vivid mason]

I went to react 😭 to this

I again remembered I ran out of nitro.

[desert arch]

Mingling with the commoners now I see

[minor field]

Im gonna see if any of my canni messages can be posted here

[vivid mason]

wait this whole time it was feedback discussion and not isle discussion

[latent olive]

why are you throwing evil words at him

[indigo gulch]

Dummy

[desert arch]

Id love to post mine, but Id be banned faster than the speed of light 🥀

[normal shuttle]

omni player

[indigo gulch]

Good.

[indigo gulch]

Still better than cera

[normal shuttle]

I had lost my beipi to a juvenile omni pin so I wanted to teach them how fun and skillful it is

[indigo gulch]

Not saying much but still is

[normal shuttle]

spreading awareness

[desert arch]

Youre lucky that sticker isnt available on this server

[indigo gulch]

[normal shuttle]

That day I had a brutal crashout

😭

I hate Omnis so much man

I hope the many, many suggestions in general feedback AND balance feedback do anything about it

Because it’s just tiring, draining, unfun, annoying

That you cannot exist near Omnis if you are another Omni they want dead or something slightly lighter

[vivid mason]

Lmao

[normal shuttle]

they just eat away at my sanity

no other playable does that, just them

[vivid mason]

Even pachies get shredded because bucking drains their stam more effectively than it does throw the omni, and it can’t z walk to a tree or rock before it dies in the 10 seconds the omni kills it with damage pounce

[normal shuttle]

and I am hoping that cannibal mutation comes soon so there can be omnis showing how good pinning is

[normal shuttle]

I know, I've killed pachies as omni to prove that point. It's ridiculous

why do you even need to slow things down and drain their stam even if they slow walk passively????

[vivid mason]

Pinning shouldn’t exist honestly, if it worked as a knockdown thingy to be able to “secure” its prey then I would like it better

It’s insane how someone can grow a galli for an hour and a half and get 1 shot by an omni that pressed RMB 4 meters away

[normal shuttle]

yeah, as it is right now it is atrocious and just equivalent to giving carno a big game hunting tool

[vivid mason]

Honestly if pinning was so skillful to where it was like a lot more complicated, damaging sparring (blocking, attacking at the right time, etc) then I would honestly not mind it as long as it doesn’t make up the entire fight to leave space for the actual dogfighting

[normal shuttle]

it's insane how as an omni, other omnis are infinitely more dangerous than dilos and carnos and you cannot even reliably kill them without the surprise factor

And how only herrera stands a chance with a good one tap pounce. Otherwise if you are smaller, it is unwinnable outside of small juvis vs troodon or beipi

no matter how good you are

all they need is pressing one button and you're done if they have more than 30% stam

[minor field]

Want to see my favorite crashout I’ve ever seen from another player I can dm it

[normal shuttle]

sure

[vivid mason]

Me too pls

[woeful latch]

well i got this

i told them about the desync na players have playing on god damn eu server, but they were too mad to take an L

[desert arch]

You know youre a good player when they think youre hacking

[woeful latch]

i found them on this discord and they are in fact na player lol

[woeful latch]

real

[desert arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1085220149881221190/1162846192120631418/image.png?ex=6811dc28&is=68108aa8&hm=c6355d4a5e541f9c0b257d2074da7f1eec3cad3da2d6a8b7942db6377faad89f& deino cannibalism 🙏

[woeful latch]

OMG HE WAS BEGGING YOU

[junior nymph]

cheesy exposed

[desert arch]

Old spiro waterfalls you could swim up as a deino I miss you

[woeful latch]

honestly… yes

[desert arch]

99% of players didnt know abt it and it was so op

[junior nymph]

also on cerato I have made another cera 1 hp and I took him to a sanctuary to make him die in there

[junior nymph]

yeah I think that guys right

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭

[junior nymph]

oh you are at north east?

[woeful latch]

on that clip yes

[junior nymph]

ha

[woeful latch]

🫣

that’s a good spot for fighting passing by cera packs

[indigo gulch]

Tbf teno has an annoying hitbox for the tail too

And desync absolutely does not help with it

[woeful latch]

i disagree, it’s perfectly fine.

[indigo gulch]

Certified troll moment

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/klassny-klassni-klassny-klassni-kot-gif-15764074524754019618

i still blame desync, and with cc abilities it’s just always worse

especially the dibbles flip.. oh god it’s painful

[digital sparrow]

It would be an aquatic version of the pounce, I agree Austro having a terrestrial pounce would be too much but something similar for the water would be interesting. I just don’t know how that would work.

[normal shuttle]

NOOOOO

[minor field]

Like he was being killed irl….

[normal shuttle]

DUDE

No, nononono and no

Why stain austro by making it a pouncer?

[minor field]

Please don’t.

[normal shuttle]

We already have two pouncing raptors and utah will likely be another

No need to have a fourth

Austro is unique enough as it is without stuff like that just brings problems

we don't need more pounces with allosaurus, omniraptor, troodon and potentially utahraptor already with them

it's so creatively bankrupt at this point

[frank tapir]

utah pinning omni though

[normal shuttle]

peak

[frank tapir]

karma

[normal shuttle]

Imagine turning austro into popular slop playable

that would be such a war crime

[frank tapir]

I hope we can still get it this year

[minor field]

Really hoping this doesn’t happen with other playables too, like giving idk bary a lunge like deino

[rotund fractal]

#general-feedback message I personally don't understand why my idea should be so bad that everyone votes it down. After all, you could let the server decide more and make 2 different factions happy. If you don't want feathers, then play somewhere else. But nevermind

[rotund fractal]

will be nice

[normal shuttle]

We know bary is getting a defensive stance and basic spinosaurid mechanics (which I’m guessing is the swimming system)

So maybe running under the water besides having a chance fending off certain creatures

[ashen shell]

#general-feedback message
i like the sound of it being an extension of the shaking mechanic we already have

[gilded drift]

40 ping btw

in reality, the hit was valid

[woeful latch]

shocking 😮

[gilded drift]

yeah calm down w the misleading

[woeful latch]

misleading?

[gilded drift]

Chill lol

@winter geode crazy idea: F2 record and turn it in

[winter geode]

ahaha yeah tried that.. never heard back lol

many times..

on separate occasions

[gilded drift]

if you have actual evidence with f2, and admins ignore it
what makes you think a report system will do any different

[woeful latch]

i’m chill tho, you seem to be little upset once again

[winter geode]

it’s organized in a chat only for reports, there’s no scrolling or searching thry dms

[gilded drift]

Calm down, not that deep

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979434239613362199/1240830924095230043/attachment-25-2.gif

[gilded drift]

What do you mean

[winter geode]

right now you just @ the admins in chat, and it gets buried in a wall of text, or dm where it prolly even worse to search thru

i’ve personally messaged a few admins and @ them but never got a response and that’s cause they’re busy. so a ticket reporting system is just more streamlined and efficient. all the info is there and can be viewed anytime, without a need for scrolling

i’m surprised i’d have to explain that but alrighttt

[woeful latch]

yeah he”s “special” boy

[gilded drift]

that's yet another reason to play on petids, your reports actually go through pretty easily

they have a ticket system unlike these devs

[winter geode]

no one’s plays that shi bro

[woeful latch]

it’s petits, when will you finally learn

[gilded drift]

1 petids server has as many players as 3 official servers you coconut

[winter geode]

ur a legend pro rage baiter bro congrats

[woeful latch]

he’s really bad at rage baiting tbf

more like cringe baiting honestly..

[gilded drift]

You just called me special lol, I'm not even tryna interact w u

[gilded drift]

1 petids server has as many players as 3 officials

they consistently have 250-300 players on at all times

and they're still better at managing hackers lmao

[winter geode]

tell them i said congrats bro

[gilded drift]

You're complaining about an irrelevant issue, you already know that reporting hackers in officials is almost pointless so why bother?

Play on a community server, there is close to no difference

[woeful latch]

you are very special

[winter geode]

preference

[gilded drift]

You're clearly trying to insult

[woeful latch]

hmm no

if i’d want to insult you’d feel that

[gilded drift]

What makes you want to play on officials instead of community? name 1 difference

[gilded drift]

https://tenor.com/view/real-cornball-corny-goofy-silly-cheesy-gif-26476015

[woeful latch]

i think you care waaaay too much about others opinions and preferences, feel free to play on petits, don’t do you usual propaganda stuff nobody cares about lol

[minor field]

It’ll make it slightly more convenient I guess, though you’re right in that it probably wouldn’t change much.

[winter geode]

who’s complaining, i just typed an suggestion out. also you just told me that i should just report to admins now you’re saying dont and its useless

[gilded drift]

The current official admins don't pay attention to F2 records, I doubt they'll care about tickets

it's surprising to me that petits admins handle hackers 10x better than official admins

[gilded drift]

Yeah I forgot that f2 records only work for petids admins and never officials, my bad for forgetting the incompetence of people like @valid brook

[winter geode]

petits admins don’t have jobs so it makes sense
they rlly want people who can dedicate their hearts without compensation
keep your dms open bro they might reach out to you next

[gilded drift]

You keep complaining about hackers on officials, why not play on community? You avoided my question like usual

[woeful latch]

i’m too lazy to search for crying emoji gif so just imagine it

[winter geode]

you sound so hurt bro i lowkey feel for you. just remember dms are open in case you ever need that one hotline again

[woeful latch]

LMAOOOOO

[junior nymph]

💀

[woeful latch]

gonna use this for copypasta

[minor field]

Why’d you ping an admin for no reason

[valid brook]

we're volunteers aswell. this isnt our job.

[junior nymph]

honest

[winter geode]

^

[valid brook]

? f2 does indeed work on officials my man.

[valid brook]

likely felt like being toxic.

[woeful latch]

yeah f2 works on officials, idk what he’s on about

[junior nymph]

prob something like the admins dont care

[normal shuttle]

@gilded drift

[junior nymph]

thats like the only thing I see it being

[normal shuttle]

I love your suggestions

[minor field]

I guess, I still find it funny how adamant they are on crapping on officials at every chance they get it’s insanity

[normal shuttle]

They’re so consistently funny

Fracture on things that you are going to pin down if they are in range anyway

[woeful latch]

@gilded drift you sound so hurt bro i lowkey feel for you. just remember dms are open in case you ever need that one hotline again

[valid brook]

yeah its odd. but meh. It is what it is.

@woeful latchlets not keep this going, please.

[woeful latch]

roger roger

[winter geode]

thyler if youre still here what do you think about my post in #general-feedback

do u think there’s any way to make reporting more efficient for admins and players?

[woven bane]

real, i enjoy seeing them perish. give them a taste of their own medicine

[ashen shell]

😔

[plucky plank]

Ah I see, so it would basically be for things trying to cross a river or other semi/aquatics. That could play out interestingly, actually. Give Deino something other than Deino to be really concerned about in the water.

[vernal jacinth]

@near marsh you mean jaguars? Cheetahs don’t climb

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message honestly that’s too much

[near marsh]

ah then yes that one XD

[fading quail]

Yeah was gonna say.. Uh

Cheetas definitely aren't strong enough of a cat to just haul a whole gazelle up a 20ft tree lol

[near marsh]

XD well we all know whati mean

[woven bane]

i honestly wouldn’t mind it if they could drag things a lot bigger than themselves, but fg raptor is a tad too much

[vernal ermine]

cheetahs dont climb huh

[near marsh]

maybe but also a croc can snatch a big bulky dibble and mia so i dont think the weighs in the game matter a whole lot

[icy lion]

Deinos can only grab things that are half their weight

[woven bane]

can grab stegos while swimming tbf

and that’s 75%

[near marsh]

i know but ur telling me a mia which is on par (i think) in size to a stego, only weighs 3.7 tons?

[icy lion]

The dinos in game are pretty accurately scaled in terms of model size to weight, other than omniraptor

Stego is a huge, round tank with short stubby legs

Maia is slim in comparison, and the longer legs make it appear larger

[wooden agate]

very dense lil crap

stego is so dense its like biting into raw cookie dough

or a really fudgy brownie

maia is like eating a normal brownie

[near marsh]

even so the size of the mia paired with how much muscle it must surely have it should weigh alot closer to a stego then it does

[icy lion]

Not at all

[vernal ermine]

Nope, it can grab swimming stegos :🇮🇱

fgs stegos weigh more than 4 tons

[wooden agate]

tbf maia's muscle is meant for running away in quick bursts of speed, stego is meant to swing its tail with enough force to puncture flesh, bones, etc

[vernal ermine]

what is the purpose of maia's 4legged stance?

[woeful latch]

yeah i 100% agree

[wooden agate]

correct, however on land its only half their weight

im also not sure why you put an isreali flag

[wooden agate]

mostly its kicks/CC, which do relatively low damage for maias size

[vernal ermine]

Would be cool to see herreras drag up bodies that are its own size or less

[wooden agate]

kick, knockdown, use speed to escape threat

[vernal ermine]

but then the devs will have to make mechanics that stop the body from falling off the tree

[wooden agate]

assuming austro is around 350kg i wouldnt mind them being able to drag FG austros up trees

[near marsh]

i mean it already doesnt? ive dragged some juvi bodies up adn they sit on the branches fine

[vernal ermine]

larger bodies will glitch out, won't look good, and often fall off

[near marsh]

surely all they need to do to fix it tho is just somethign similar to body=dont phase thru solid object then make branches solid objects? most likely a bit more difficult then i put it but still not impossible

[vernal ermine]

what i'm saying is that if they want to make it possible to drag a body up to a tree, they'll need even more mechanics

so it's gonna take some work, but it would be cool

they will need

• animation/mechanic of dragging the body up
• mechanics to stop it from glitching out on branches or fall off

[digital sparrow]

Yeah, something like a “drowning latch” or something. I haven’t thought very hard on it lol

[plucky plank]

It would have it's own risk to it, as well- since you wouldn't have to just worry about having enough stamina, but enough blood oxygen, too.

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
this gives me an idea for debuffs for those that are overpacking..

"overconfident" debuff where you lose bite force if you're over the pack size limit

[limber hull]

i know what you're thinking and it wont work lol

[past crystal]

sadness

[plucky plank]

It would have to be a pretty hefty debuff to offset sheer action economy

[past crystal]

10% less bite force per extra member, maybe?

[limber hull]

no

trust me, that's just annoying to track

[past crystal]

just speculating ideas

overpacking is definitely a huge issue

[limber hull]

honestly, i only see it be a huge issue with cera lmao

[past crystal]

many times have i had to deal with 8 ceras.. or 10 carnos..

[limber hull]

i genuinely don't see overpacking on literally any other animal

[past crystal]

cera's just a big problem since it gets a body debuff. if one of them goes down, they eat a little bit of it, gain HP with gastro, and get a body debuff on top of that

herbivores have strangely large group sizes for how powerful they are, i consider it overpacking when 6 stegos are taking over south plains

it's probably that way as 'herbivores had large groups in nature' but players don't act like animals do, players don't get frightened by a twig snap and sprint away, on officials most of em KOS

[limber hull]

if you let a stego hit you, yea

but like... don't let it hit you

[past crystal]

okay, tenos then

i haven't had an issue with this personally, again just speculating

i main herbivores

[limber hull]

only really applicable to ceratosaurus, and ceratosaurus can

A: Vomit them and run
B: Get in the water because it has alt-bites in the water
C: Literally just run into a forest and lose them because the marginal speed advantage teno has is vastly outdone by cera's superior agility and ability to break line of sight, as well as teno's lack of tracking

I genuinely don't understand why ceratos don't do option C more btw it's the best way to escape tenontos

[past crystal]

you forget that tenos can out-trot most creatures in the game

cera's superior agility? what does that mean? teno can jump and has a very fast turnrate

[limber hull]

cera's turnrate is better

[past crystal]

turnrate doesn't matter for running away as long as you're watching where you're going

[limber hull]

it matters if you're trying to duke in the forest

[vernal ermine]

yeah turnraye dpesm

[past crystal]

eh i've never had an issue chasing down a cera as teno

[vernal ermine]

me neither

[limber hull]

not really surprised

[past crystal]

turnrate is great for direct combat, but not really for running away

[limber hull]

the average cerato isn't used to actually having to do anything besides spam charge bite and win

[past crystal]

i find it underutilized to avoid headshots

cera's usually what most people pick for their starter dino, too

[vernal ermine]

yep

[past crystal]

'oh it's the biggest carnivore on the roster currently, must be fun!' probably 50% or more of ceras are new players

[limber hull]

yea because the animal basically plays itself lol

its big, its basically free, and its the current posterboy for "big strong carnivore that wins all the fights ez

[past crystal]

very hyped for larger carnivore tiers to put it in its place, the scavenger its supposed to be

[limber hull]

eh

[past crystal]

well.. 'wins all the fights against all other carnivores'

[limber hull]

i hate the concept that larger carnivores are all that's needed to "fix" cera

if anything, i see cera being just as huge a problem even with the bigger boys around

[past crystal]

i feel like it will help significantly

larger tier carnivores won't be able to overeat like cera does, so there may be corpses left lying around that the ceras attempt to eat, and they get jumped by the larger tier

lots of cera players currently use their scent to find a corpse, and proceed to bully everyone in the area. can't do that when the one who killed it is twice your size

[limber hull]

i dont really think so, no

the assumption that a broken thing will magically stop being broken when we add an even more broken thing to counter it is just gonna lead to massive powercreep and a not very fun game for people not playing those powercrept animals

i completely believe allos will be mauled by any cerato group that theyre unlucky enough to stumble upon

cera needs nerfs irregardless of whatever is over the horizon imho

[past crystal]

the biggest problem really is just gastro

[normal shuttle]

@near marsh LOL

1. First up, NO, cheetahs don’t do that, it’s LEOPARDS

2. Second, leopards do not carry things three times larger than themselves

3. Third, Herrerasaurus is not a feline and it has enough fictionalization.

[past crystal]

healing in combat is a nightmare

[limber hull]

gastro is part of the bigger whole

but cerato has tons of issues, both pertaining to basekit and how much it benefits from basically every combat mut

[past crystal]

most things can find ways to abuse mutations

cera happens to be one of the better ones due to its cannibalization and ability to eat anything

i feel like it's sufficiently stunted by its slower speed

[limber hull]

(speed muts)

[past crystal]

speed muts only affect one dinosaur in the game (teno)

[limber hull]

what

[past crystal]

as in the speed muts on cera only make it faster than teno

nothing else, just teno

[limber hull]

and pachy

omni's makes it faster than dilo

dilo's makes it faster than carno's base runspeed

[past crystal]

dilo wrecks omni in a 1v1, carno can charge and can deal with 3 dilos

pachy just needs buffs in general..

[limber hull]

imma be real i still dont know HOW a dilo is wrecking a competent, faster omni in a 1v1

[past crystal]

dilo's turnrate is amazing. if it just plays defensively it wins

[limber hull]

what??

dilo has one of the worst turnrates of any of the smalls

[past crystal]

its bleed is great, just get one singular bite on the omni and it will run itself to death

forgive my wording, dilo's turn rate is great for what it is

you don't need a faster turnrate than the thing you're fighting if you're fighting defensively

[near marsh]

we went over that already

they carry prey that is equal sizeing to them into trees

and no ones saying its a feline? no idea where ur getting this from

[past crystal]

omni pounce will fail if you try to pounce on the head

[limber hull]

then there's stuff like the fact that we'll have mutations that allow rex to get over an additional 1000HP while fighting a trike because of course it'll need that

i cant imagine how awful speed muts will be in tandem with its murder sprint too

[past crystal]

aren't some mutations removed on certain circumstances? like carno is missing a mutation that was absolutely busted on it

[limber hull]

no?

which one would that be

[past crystal]

i definitely recall carno not having a specific mutation

[limber hull]

i dont think that's ever been the case

[past crystal]

it was one of the 2nd gen muts

[limber hull]

it has access to all of them lol

[past crystal]

nah ill have to check, it's definitely missing one

[limber hull]

i can guarantee you it isnt lol

[past crystal]

i think its traumatic thrombosis

[limber hull]

it absolutely has that

[icy lion]

Everything can get that

[past crystal]

i'll have to look

gimme a sec ill log on

[icy lion]

Some mutations are restricted to carni/herbi, or are slot-specific, but none are blocked on an individual species basis

At least, not on officials

[limber hull]

the only animals excluded from certain mutations are cannibals not getting the cannibal mutation lol

[past crystal]

may have been an unofficial i was on then?

[limber hull]

i don't think they can turn them off on a species basis either?

i dont think that's a config

[past crystal]

no no i definitely recall being in a call with a friend, playing carnos. i went to get a mutation in the 2nd slot and noticed something was missing. it wasn't a herbi mutation either

[limber hull]

you can either disable them for everyone or keep them on, there's no species-specific feature iirc

[past crystal]

like i specifically went to grab it and it wasnt there

[limber hull]

if you were playing an unofficial, they sometimes banish them

petits doesn't have a good few iirc because of how broken they are

[past crystal]

wouldn't be petits

(my ping is like 300 in that server lmao)

eh fair enough i forget where we were going with the convo

[limber hull]

point is mutations are insane on cerato, as well as several other creatures, but that's not all that's wrong with cera

[past crystal]

agreed. i still think speed mutations should be removed from the game

[limber hull]

fair

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message

#general-feedback message
oh yeah, i forgot about this, this is what makes gastro absolutely broken on herbivores

[normal shuttle]

It not being a feline implies that it doesn’t behave the eight morphology for that

However

Realism doesn’t matter, so I backpedal on that

Still dunno why it should if he able to carry that much food into a tree where no one can take it

I am fine with maybe a dryo or another herra

But an Omni?

@lofty cipher or why not just scraping all the muts who have a direct impact in combat?

@barren zephyr does that sound balanced to you? As if grappling wasn’t enough

[vernal ermine]

would be cool if herreras could carry herrerasized bodies into trees

[woven bane]

around the 300 range i’d say

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message dear god..

[woven bane]

omni mains mentality explained

[desert arch]

Omni casually having almost as much bite force as a cerato, with dmg mutations and that pack boost

Sounds balanced

[rotund fractal]

How do try make The Isle as a complected unfair Tactic Eldenring Game xDD

I currently play omni and I need to say, you can kill a lot, with good plays, with good teammates you can reach many. Yeah you are dead when a cera bites you or when a dibble stuns you but you play a little Dino

[woeful latch]

yeah, i agree, omni is very very good playable

[urban flax]

Most balanced raptor buff suggestion

[normal shuttle]

BUT OMNI IS SO WEAK BRO

UNPLAYABLE

In order to be viable it needs to be able to grapple a cera with two Omnis (#BringOldGrappleBack) and then have two biting its head to obliterate it in two seconds

NONE shall stand before the Omniraptor!!!

[normal shuttle]

Not even Elden Ring with all of its tools to make the game play itself for you if you want has something this unreasonably broken

Backhand blades with swift slash and scarlet rot is more balanced and avoidable than 12 raptors getting double damage because they have an overwhelming advantage over you

[desert arch]

Bait used to b-

[summer geode]

The only fix omni needs is-

"Unable to be pinned by other omnis once latched onto another dino"

Suddenly pinning and stacking absurd bleed is vastly easier and packs of raptors become serious threats.

Even casual raptors without communicating could spam pounce on a target without caring.

"Oh we have 4-5 fg omnis? That tenno is dead. Let's just pounce all at once"

[icy lion]

@ashen shell What's 1.7?

And they already plan on swapping evrima to the main branch

[ashen shell]

was the gore rework i believe

[icy lion]

Update 6?

[ashen shell]

maybe idk 😭

[icy lion]

And no, they never said that the branch swap was supposed to happen then in my memory

[ashen shell]

someone told me it was supposed to happen around that time but they might've been lying

[icy lion]

The devs have been pretty consistent about wanting elders in, though those plans may have changed

[ashen shell]

👍 removed the 1.7 thing from the suggestion

[vital laurel]

@wise terrace It can swim under water, climb and run at considerable speed, it doesnt need a fast water speed

[wise terrace]

it literal have fish on diet and can dive its a slug in water everything swims faster

[vital laurel]

Yes and it can jump from a tree straight into this fish as well as: swim under water, climb and run at considerable speed

if you think youll get caught swimming dont swim, you have 2 other mobility options

[wise terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/khabyy-khaby-gif-21412867

[woven bane]

yea its supposed to get a fish and then get out of there asap

i don’t see a reason as to why it needs to swim faster

[wise terrace]

yuhh and cera and diablo swims like a dolphin,probably they need it cuz their k it sucks am i right

[bleak vapor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/s/ckt1l4FyCp

Give me opinions guys

[wooden agate]

branch switch was implied to be connected to Update 7, Elders and Mutations

alongside rex. this was like 2 weeks before the trello went down and the living roadmap went up though

[wooden agate]

its not like the fish swim away from you

i dont see how it having a faster swim speed does anything but make it slightly more annoying to attack as a beipi lol

there is a massive difference between being able to use the water to your advantage and being truly semi aquatic

[normal shuttle]

schooling fish don't swim away from you

they are glorified, incorruptible meat chunks

[normal shuttle]

insane

[ashen shell]

#general-feedback message
store page rework and evrima as the main branch rather than killing legacy as a whole. i met some of my best friends for life on it and to take something like thst away is wrong, especially when some people love the game but can't run evrima.

[normal shuttle]

your love makes you WEAK /j

[steady orchid]

everything? its just short grass

[normal shuttle]

unless you put the good food elsewhere, yeah it's too safe for everyone

[agile flame]

Shold they allow fruits to rot, make things sick, before despawning kinda like meat does?

[normal shuttle]

no

[agile flame]

I think that might be a good idea. Or, implement drunkenness if you eat too much fermented fruit 😅

But the big thing is, make fruit go away faster instead of sitting there bugging out on the ground, making everything a mess to navigate

[agile flame]

Why do you feel this way?

[normal shuttle]

because why letting them hang around for longer and also for zero purpose. fruits have negative value for most of the roster when adult anyway

[agile flame]

It would be easier to just make them despawn instead of adding more mechanics/code

Fair point

[normal shuttle]

better to let them despawn quick for optimizing performance and leaving fruits as they are, since there is...no real point other than realism to do that. At least cera can take advantage of rotting corpses

plus fruits are something many large herbis merely avoid. They tend to eat the plant and leave everything behind

[acoustic spruce]

@vernal ermine that change would kill cera, making it useless

[vernal ermine]

cera is made to be a scavenger tho, now it's just an op hunter

[acoustic spruce]

Allo is already going to bully tf out of cera

Cera seems OP rn cause there’s nothing big to bully it

I’ll fall into its niece when it has a reason to scavenge

[wooden agate]

also cera isnt just scavenger

thats its main role in the ecosystem, but it still has to be able to provide for itself in situations where there arent corpses available. basically corpse bullying brawler meant to take on things its size and a large chunk larger.

allosaurus will simply pin cerato, completely diff the lad

[limber hull]

I still don't believe allo is going to do jackall about the cera issue, and everyone who thinks it is just idolising allo as if it's a saveall

[wooden agate]

STOP APPEARING AT THE SAME TIME AS ME!!! SOME PEOPLE ALREADY THINK WE'RE ALTS!!!

sorry its been a rough day Emperor Wavepoloshirt

[limber hull]

cera should be made more scavenger-esque, irregardless of allo

making it "less capable of hunting and more capable of scavenging" makes no sense as to how it "kills cera and makes it useless" unless you literally cannot see how cera would be a good scavenger, which only serves to prove how far it's strayed from its design goals

[limber hull]

like this argument is just... objectively wrong?

there are big things, and cera bullies them. i fail to see how adding more big things that aren't the current big things suddenly makes said big things "solve the cera issue"

maia and dibble, by that metric, should've solved it ages ago. allo is not a cureall. it will feel the impact and annoyance of cera just as hard as everyone else

cera seems OP because it is OP

that's the long and short of it

if allo makes it seem weak by comparison, that's because allo is OP too, and in that case, we've got crazy powercreep

[wooden agate]

just imagine the good news this means for alberto and acro though

6 and 12 ton beasts!!!

with 40% resistence to everything!!!

alberto acro supremacy! wee woo! wee woo!

[limber hull]

yea, that's basically how i see things going if we balance under the philosophy of "oh carnivore seems OP because bigger carnivore isn't here to kill them"

like... no, it's because they're OP. We HAVE midtiers, and they're still outclassed by cera. Saying that allo will solve it when we have evidence of midtiers not doing that well is hysterical

Yea, allo will pin cera more than likely. But bad news, if there's a group of ceras (which there basically always is), that allo is probably dead lol

[vernal ermine]

I agree with niche here tbh

Let cera be tanky, but don't let it be able to be as good of a hunter as it is now

It's a scavenger. Let it be that.
Make it scent even better, for all I care you can even make it eat even faster or whatever
Make it hard for cera to die from starvation

but decreasw its ability to chomp down players in combat like it does now
Don't let it stun people with vomiting

Decrease its overall hunting ability

[pliant elm]

Cerato's abilities as a scavenger are already very good, I don't see any need to improve that. But decreasing his ability to hunt anything is good, vomit and damage mutations affecting the charge bite is Some of the main problems

[vernal ermine]

I think its scavenging abilities should be even better tbh

[chilly ermine]

My 2 cents: vomit stun shouldn’t slow people down. 1 bite and you get 2 more in for free. Kinda redic

[tall merlin]

why can I not see any servers do should I just re open my game?

[stark spade]

#general-feedback message
Nice idea, i just wanted to say that cheetahs dont drag bodies in trees, its leopards who do that

[normal shuttle]

@vernal ermine erm, none of the flyers we have rn are dinosaurs 🤓

Still I would support the idea of maybe an omnivore or EVEN herbivore flyer

Tupandactylus my beloved

Or maybe some actual flying or gliding dinosaur

[normal shuttle]

I think that, besides some tweaking and nerfing, the person above is sort of correct

One of cera’s main issues is also being fundamentally the easiest carnivore to grow especially relatively to its size

So ofc many people are gonna grow it due to the big bad carni bias and how easy it is as a scavenger with short growth time

So maybe something like allo and rex will organically help with the problem, not entirely but it will be something especially if cera receives the much needed nerfs

[desert arch]

@barren zephyr thats already a thing

[barren zephyr]

it's not

[desert arch]

It is

[limber hull]

it absolutely is lol

[barren zephyr]

are we playing the same game?

[desert arch]

Go on literally any admin server and test it out yourself, its already in game

[barren zephyr]

keep being wrong idc

[barren crater]

it needs tweaks and a longer grow time like most mids anyways.

[desert arch]

Lmao

[barren crater]

Or maybe they should reduce the grow time of the small tiers !!! That would be so fun!

i'm not serious btw

[limber hull]

if anything you should be happy that your feedback was so good they added it months in advance of you posting it

[barren crater]

😭 "I didn't see it so it definitely isn't in the game"

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-street-cat-cat-mr-fresh-staring-cat-gif-923010559517228428

[acoustic spruce]

But cera is also easily killed by diablo, but ofc it’s gonna feel op when there’s like a thousand ceras running around

[limber hull]

honestly i find cera has quite an easy time killing diablo, and it can just run away from diablo and be 100% safe

[barren crater]

It's a very approachable matchup. A lot of people downplay Cerato 😭

[urban flax]

The fact one cera is even able to kill a diablo, even with great trouble, shows how OP it is

[limber hull]

and to those who would say "oh, just camp against the wall against cerato"

assess the fact that cerato has diablo so petrified that it has to literally cower in a corner to win and realise "oh hey maybe cera is OP" lol

[barren crater]

A lot of it comes down to mutations and diablo handling terribly. Even if you nerfed Cera charge bite stats, it has the agility, speed and damage with its basic attack to hunt it

Not much would change

[urban flax]

I like diablo

I think it's cera's speed that needs to be nerfed the most tbh

[barren crater]

I think diablo is pretty bad for what it is. Tenonto does what it does but better lol

While also being able to escape

[limber hull]

Agreed. I think ceratopsians as a class atm are just underwhelming

[barren crater]

That juvi/ sub stage is hilariously bad as well for diablo. Meanwhile tenonto runs at near troodon speed at sub. Matching omni with speed mutation

[limber hull]

Honestly I've been thinking of ways to seperate trike and diablo (and make them better)

Trike:
While blocking, you can press LMB to use a powerful impale attack. This attack does 1000-2000 damage (haven't decided on a solid number), and costs several sparring charges. The downside is, evidently, needing to use the blocking stance, and thus entirely crippling your movement, making it almost purely a defensive punish tool.

Diablo:
While sparring, you can tap space to do a quick hop in the direction of your current held directional keys. It does not take you very far, but it moves you at your top availible speed of 36km/hr for a portion of a second. This costs one sparring charge.

[woeful latch]

lmao..

[woeful latch]

yeah, i agree

[latent olive]

i like the concept of using multiple sparring charges for one big attack

i reckon chuck that into feedback, that looks like something the devs might be interested in

[barren crater]

🤤

[barren crater]

Teno handles all situations better

[woeful latch]

real, TENONTOSAURUS SUPERIORITY

[desert arch]

The humble ceratosaurus:

[woeful latch]

humble troodon after HT buffs:

[lilac bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[barren crater]

teno >

[desert arch]

Preach 🗣️

[desert arch]

After winning vs 8 tenos as 4 ceras a couple weeks back, I lost all hope for this meta 😭

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

[desert arch]

Cera is just disgusting

[woeful latch]

id krill all 4 of you as 1 teno!!!1212!2’qnwqiwjfoshdksjd

[desert arch]

I summon @woven bane for a 2v1 🙏

[woeful latch]

i will avenge my brothers and sisters

[barren crater]

skill issue 💀

[woeful latch]

that’s actually insane skill issue fr

[woeful latch]

NOOOO HE’S NA PLAYER NOOOOO

i’m doomed…

[desert arch]

He isnt lol

[woven bane]

not since my little vacation, forgot to update the bio

[woeful latch]

hm, nice

[barren crater]

EU player?? how could u cheesy

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/kot-cat-plaża-beach-woda-gif-5025613992274508130

[vital laurel]

Cera is meant to be a good swimmer, as for Diablo idk why it is not fast. But also “what about X” is not a great argument

[desert arch]

@barren zephyr "Keep being wrong idc"

It very much is a thing as you can see

[woeful latch]

that dryo tho

[woeful latch]

what was the discussion about btw?

[desert arch]

shoutout to @vivid mason , it was him

[desert arch]

Knight said you cant pull out eggs from deceased bodies

[urban flax]

This video is clearly edited

Dare I even say, AI-generated

[woven bane]

nah that footage is clearly from path of titans

[junior nymph]

you edited the video, source is trust me bro

[normal shuttle]

When do you think it will be possible to get mod support?

Someone suggested after this update but I think that’s too early

What about after elders?

[indigo gulch]

Waaaaaaay too early

Mods usually come after the game is finished no? Hard to make mods when the main code keeps getting changed

[normal shuttle]

Maybe it would be possible after the gameplay loop is finished with elders and migrations and all that?

[vivid mason]

lmao theres no way-

[indigo gulch]

@blissful oasis it’s still a good swimmer but you need to have an option to escape a maia. It’s super fast with good stamina and if it swims fast, you have 0 chances to run. Also “give back something OP” doesn’t exactly sound good😅

[hollow flume]

@round bay good post, however how does that equate to "hiding behind legacy" evrima is literally better lol

[blissful oasis]

i see what you mean, but maia in water does a total of 0,5 damage, witha bite cooldown of 46 mins.
also maias stam is at max OK it can run for 2mins which for its size is amazing, but everything else in the roster has it higher, im thinking about the one, the only cera. cera swims at mach 10 alot of stamina and does good damage. escaping a cera is immpossible.
animals can escape maia, its turn radius is cheeks, and its shove takes stam making it tire quick so if it trys to chase and kill something the animal can escape

[woeful latch]

oh, i thought that’s known feature

[woeful latch]

it’s potato generated

[faint folio]

Cera needs to be nerfed too. I don't think anyone denies that. But I think the problem with Maia is not just stamina, and not just speed, it's the fact that it has both. It doesn't also need speed in the water.

[desert arch]

Apparently it isnt lol

[indigo gulch]

True but the issue isnt the damage maia does in the water. Swimming and staying afloat takes stamina so you can’t stay in the water or you’ll die. Maia can just swim past you if it had great swimming speed and either wait for you to run out of stam and die or continue nabbing at your tail when you get back on land.

Also lol yeah cera needs nerfs overall

[woeful latch]

yeah well game doesn’t have any tutorials yet, so it’s understandable

yeah maias swimming speed was honestly ridiculous

game actually really punishes galli/carno for swimming, carno has DISGUSTING x4 stamina usage in water and it’s very slow, galli is fast but also has terrible stamina usage

[indigo gulch]

Which is fair

[woeful latch]

maia was fast and had decent stamina while being arguably the strongest between runners

[indigo gulch]

Cuse outrunning a galli is hard

[woeful latch]

yeah 100%

[blissful oasis]

yeah sorry this prolly came from a place of hatred, i tried running from ceras on the hordtest (killed 2 cuz im still goated) then tried to run away then took like 30 seconds getting over a lake cuz i forgot about the swim nerf. and i kinda just like maia being a hippo

[woeful latch]

that thing alone gives dilos, omnis at least a chance to escape random galli packs that want to murder

or a carno ofc

and maia should also be bad in water to balance its other stats, because 3.8t and 46.9km/h is wild.. and i personally don’t want to deal with that as something small and water is a great way to escape now

[indigo gulch]

That would be cute, a maia as hippo but ya know, balance issues. Also no worries mate, I completely understand where you’re coming from

[woeful latch]

i wanted swimming speed nerf for so long and now it’s finally here and i love it

[indigo gulch]

Teno swimming nerf when?

[woeful latch]

they made maia actually good fighter instead of just runner and now it’s even better as playable

[woeful latch]

NEVAHH GRRRRR

[indigo gulch]

Teno is unironically pretty busted as a fighter tho

[woeful latch]

teno is the best fighter in the game honestly

i love it sm

[blissful oasis]

but its not very agile at ALL like human could avoid dying to t type beat, its turn radius is so dookie its about the same as carno charging, ik it can slide and stance switchin i main maia. if something is running in a straight line then it dies, if it runs in a mostly straight line it gets away.

[indigo gulch]

Yeah that is probably why you love it🤣

[blissful oasis]

double standers much? maias cooler

[woeful latch]

too bad there’s no hunters its size to hunt it, cera is slower and omnis/dilos are just rats…

[woeful latch]

i will patiently wait for the bary and i hope it’s going to be a natural enemy for teno

[blissful oasis]

the allo takes what it wants, how u think a allo vs teno thing would go?

[woeful latch]

yeah, it’s so much fun to fight giant omni packs or 2v1ing ceras

[woeful latch]

idk really, depends how they’ll balance it, if the pin works same as omnis does well then that 1v1 is gonna be very short

[blissful oasis]

i fear everyday that the allo's pin is the same as omnis

[woeful latch]

current maia swimming speed is not even that bad honestly, at least for fg maia, juvie is slow as hell

[woeful latch]

same, i will cry…

i will cry if it’s same as omnis

[faint folio]

I think that's very fair though and doesn't merit Maia also having busted swim speed. It's not intended to be a hunter of smaller dinosaurs. It's very firmly a mid-tier

[woeful latch]

i agree, but at the same time maia is an amazing hunter… idk if it’s intended but it is pretty good

[faint folio]

Sure, what it's intended to be and what it is can be different things

My point though was that just because smaller animals can juke to escape doesn't mean Maia also should keep it's insane swim speed

[blissful oasis]

true dat

yall pissin me off with all ur good points ima go play maia

[limber hull]

i mean

teno has a colossal rudder sized tail and clawed "arms"

maia has itty bitty hooves on its front and a very bottom-heavy build

maia'd be bouyant, sure, but not capable in water

[blissful oasis]

look at the animation and tell me if the teno uses its tail to swim, MY PRETTY MAIA WILL NOT BE TAINTED

[woeful latch]

yeah i totally agree

[faint folio]

About Maia being hippo - I think it would be cool to have a dino in hippo niche! Fun fact though - hippos don't swim. They're so much heavier than water that they sink. They actually gallop across the riverbed and jump to breathe. knowing that actually makes them mildly more terrifying animals than they were before, and they're already pretty scary

[rustic mason]

Because they have the peak build

[faint folio]

Yesss

They're solid muscle and they have denser bones than normal too

[rotund fractal]

#general-feedback message "but i think a lot of us see that you need to get more people on your team to get updates out in a timely manner and not almost a month" How I hate messages like this....

[vital laurel]

@dusty stirrup Exploits

[dusty stirrup]

damn that's genius, why didn't I think of that

[vital laurel]

yeah, ppl can then just wait until they need a mutation and equip the best combat build, not fun

[dawn hound]

Yummy dilo omelette

[faint folio]

There are ways to avoid that issue though. For example, make all hidden mutations lock out if you miss the original window for it. You could do the same for combat mutations if you want. It should be a disadvantage to miss the original mutation period, but it shouldn't necessarily lock you out of an entire mutation slot. Plus, mutations once you take them are permanent

[icy lion]

@proper bluff Multiple dinos are worked on at once because the modelers, artists, animators, and sound designer don't decide to stop working until a dino is released

If they finish with rex and trike, they pass it off to the programmers and begin working on the next dino

[vital laurel]

and we got 6 dinos in 2023, 2 in 2024 so yeah

[hot vine]

@icy lion Would like to know why you agree with the current stamina system?

[icy lion]

I think there just needs to be visual indicators when you cross over into a regen threshold

[normal shuttle]

I am fine with penalties for bad management

[hot vine]

But if they're going for a realistic survival then how does standing still not regenerate stamina when depleted? When you exercise and stop running, you are still recovering. If you're walking after exercise, you recover, but slower. It's just basic biology.

[normal shuttle]

Just make it less cryptic and we’re good

[icy lion]

If you're completely and entirely winded you have to rest. You can regen while standing still if you've got 20% or more

I think there just needs to be an explanation for it in game

[hot vine]

The game is entirely against new players. But even when exhausted irl you can still recover while standing.

[normal shuttle]

Not realistic, immersive. It doesn’t aim to be 100% accurate

And you not regenerating stamina after you burned it all is a punishment. It serves a gameplay purpose. And to be honest it’s fairly generous that you can still move and fight rather than just collapse to the ground or die from exhaustion like some animals would do, according to the basics of their biology

[icy lion]

Humans are quite literally the greatest exception when it comes to stamina and endurance

[hot vine]

Not even humans. You can see many animals run from predators and not lay down. They can't afford to. They recover while standing, just slowly.

[vernal ermine]

lol is lunary saying that we can't regen stam while standing still?

[hot vine]

Not immersive in the slightest imo. I don't look in my screen and go "wow! I drained my stamina, now I am forced to sit to regain it, yet can still use my attacks and alt attacks. I just can't run! so immersive."

[normal shuttle]

If they get tired, they risk overheating and dying if they don’t stop to rest

[icy lion]

No, that's not what I'm saying at all

[hot vine]

Stopping to rest doesn't mean they're forced to sit to recover. They can just stop running and recover slowly while standing.

[limber hull]

We, humans, can, because that's our entire survival niche

Animals? Struggle significantly more with the stamina regeneration thing

[hot vine]

I literally said it's not just humans. If you see animals run from predators and get tired, they will stop running to recover. Will they sit? They can, to recover faster. But can they recover while standing? Absolutely. That's the entire point I'm making.

[limber hull]

If an animal runs out of stamina while running from predators, usually it'll just get mauled to death lol