general-feedback-discussion

[ancient kestrel]

Well that wasn't me considering that having 3 apex carcharadontosaurid species in the same game - is a good idea (no)

[normal shuttle]

Make one quadruped

Actually, I am on board for that

[ancient kestrel]

If I was in charge I would axe carch in favour of maip

Or may be Torvo but it isn't that unique

For whatever reason all paleoart depicts in similar look as allo but with longer snout

Except may be that one but again he doesn't look interesting

Sadly megalosaurids looks even more generic terapod thing than allo

[normal shuttle]

Okay guys

What about, actually allowing carchar to climb? Like very big stamina drain but being capable of getting on top of buildings

And the like

Quadruped carchar jaguar niche

???

[ancient kestrel]

Poor heras 💀

[thick summit]

Or just make carcha semi aquatic

"SPINOSAURUS!! OUR BATTLE IS NOT OVER!!"
"Leave me alone! You already bullied me millions of years ago"

[normal shuttle]

I was talking about it earlier. In order to sort of force rivalry with spino and bridge the apexes, I proposed the idea of making it (especially younger ones) rather adept in water and maybe using it as an approach tool to ambush from one side of a lake or river, similarly to jaguars and polar bears

[thick summit]

Yeah

Jaguar niche

[normal shuttle]

Also a little bit of climbing

Maybe with a huge stam drain but capable of maybe climbing over not so tall fences and even buildings since they’re mostly concrete facilities with one floor

[hidden pilot]

overgrown herrera

[normal shuttle]

I did it

[river idol]

Quadropedal carch?! That makes no sense. Why not just add a Dino that was actually quadrupedal

[limber hull]

because if carchar has to be added we might as well make it more interesting than giga 2

[normal shuttle]

because no theropod was quadrupedal

and also carch IS planned

[river idol]

But let’s not make it quadrupedal because it never was

[normal shuttle]

well...it is the safest option to say that

[river idol]

Spino was MAYBE*

[normal shuttle]

but we have no carch arms

[limber hull]

but we can make dilo venomous even though it never was

or troodon... exist

omniraptor as a whole "never was"

[normal shuttle]

nope, 100% not quad and we know

carch is the maybe unironically

[river idol]

Carcharodontosaurus has never been depicted as quadropedal. Spino may have been. That is factual

[normal shuttle]

also beipi is a penguin, magy is poisonous, we have mutant dinosaurs around (from which troodon in the isle is actually a hybrid, just a little sci fi monster), herra can climb and also sit on twigs or jump from 40 meters and be fine...

[river idol]

Charch doesn’t have the upper body to even support arms that would make it quadrupedal

[normal shuttle]

iguanodon was also depicted so many times as an upscaled iguana. That is factual information but still has no value

[river idol]

No it’s not what 😭. It was depicted as that before we had the technology and knowledge to actually safely predict what things look like. We do now, and we know charch wast quadropedal. Saying it might’ve been because we haven’t seen its arms is like saying spino might’ve had wings because we don’t have a complete spine.

Idk why I’m even arguing they’re never gonna make charch quad lol so

[limber hull]

they made spino a kaiju, dilo venomous, herrera a literal drop bear, beipi a penguin, but we draw the line at this?

MONOLOPHOSAURUS HAS A SNOT ROCKET

[ancient kestrel]

No, it wasn't. That dumb theory no longer supported lmao

Its arms just couldn't withstand such weight

[ancient kestrel]

Well tehre is stil tendency to not change animal too radical like making quadropedal theropod

[alpine oasis]

oh and anky is a catapult!!

[river idol]

It’s not a dumb theory, but I wasn’t aware it wasn’t supported anymore

[ancient kestrel]

Also you ovrreacting on this. Dudes are just goofing around. Don't take it too serious

[limber hull]

its not goofing its a legitimate suggestion

[ancient kestrel]

Ofc it's dumb cause no spino relative wasn't even close to be quadropedal

[limber hull]

and its based as hell

[river idol]

Literally lol don’t goof around in suggestions you’re wasting everyone’s time

[limber hull]

its not goofing tho

[river idol]

Dr over here just said it was

[limber hull]

did he write it?

[river idol]

Dawg

[limber hull]

brother

[ancient kestrel]

Yes, I did

[limber hull]

it's a legit suggestion. people like quad carchar as an idea

[river idol]

It’s a dumb idea

Give rex 5 legs why don’t we

[ancient kestrel]

May be as idea for tisso carch but otherwise - no

[river idol]

Also teno should be able to jump on its tail like a kangaroo

[limber hull]

see those are silly

quad carchar isn't

[river idol]

Yea it is

[limber hull]

we don't know what its body looks like and frankly giga 2 is a snoozefest

[river idol]

It’s dumb why would they waste their time animating two extra legs for something that def wasn’t ever quadrupedal

[limber hull]

they gave every hadrosaur the ability to walk either quadrupedally or bipedally i dont think that'll be an issue for them

[ancient kestrel]

I mean carch is very fragmentary in terms of found bones but can we imagine some other fantasies about its body plan except making it quadroped?

[river idol]

Yea because there’s a chance it actually did lmao

[limber hull]

this is a game where every dinosaur is created by a 3D printing machine God with a love for creating mutations which widely deviate from the original creature

[river idol]

Says who?

[limber hull]

says the lead developer

[river idol]

When

[limber hull]

streams, a lot in #isle-lore-theories

[river idol]

Cus so far these creatures are pretty accurate

[limber hull]

they got you

their trick worked once again

you have foolishly mistaken immersion for realism and accuracy

[ancient kestrel]

It still worth noting that devs don't do too extreme changes to animal cause at least they looks somewhat remeniscent of what they possibly was

[limber hull]

not a single creature in this game is realistic

[river idol]

Beipi, hypsi, dilo, and trood are the only inaccurate ones

[limber hull]

nope

[lilac bolt]

omni

[urban flax]

You forgot teno, stego, pachy, carno, ptera, galli, dibble and cera

[ancient kestrel]

Uhm most of them actually do

At least they somewhat look accurate like maia or deino

[limber hull]

carno/pachy would break their neck using their ability, teno did NOT look like that, herrera absolutely did not have a dewlap nor could it climb, omni DOES NOT EXIST, dilo did not have venom, rex absolutely did not look like that (or sound like that), cerato is far too overweight, stego is undersized and CANNOT do that with its tail

[limber hull]

yes. that's the power of immersive trickery

they can LOOK realistic and sound realistic but they ain't

deino is the most realistic because it's literally just a gator

[ancient kestrel]

Pachy wouldn't. And btw carnos move not a ram

[limber hull]

Pachy almost absolutely would break its neck

Ask anyone who knows about biology/physics. If it rammed like that, neck go bye

[ancient kestrel]

No. It pretty much had same adaptations as modern raming animals

[lilac bolt]

but at the isle's speed?

[limber hull]

no it did not lol

pachy's head was built for swinging, NOT for ramming

the alt-attack is more accurate. the ram? not so much

[urban flax]

It absolutely is a ram

[ancient kestrel]

Anyway plenty of evidence that they did worked with their heads conseadering damage on their skulls. But yeah may be not a ram on a full speeds

[limber hull]

the isle devs do an excellent job of achieving false reality. they make a game so immersive with its sound, animations and models that you just kinda believe what they're telling you. but it's mostly if not all fabrications designed to sell you on a world that could never be.

they could ABSOLUTELY sell quad carchar with ease and the paleo community would recoil from the amount of people who played the isle and went "well i guess carchar is quadrupedal because it looks so normal as one"

the amount of people who incorrectly believe beipi looks like isle beipi is crazy lmao, or hypsi looks like isle hypsi

[ancient kestrel]

It's a shove

[icy lion]

At 60kmh?

Dealing damage on impact?

[urban flax]

Do you even know what a shove is ?

[limber hull]

if i shove you by slamming my skull into you at full speed and swinging my neck upwards to slam you to the ground im pretty sure you'd call that a headbutt

[ancient kestrel]

Sort of pushing move from down to up

[icy lion]

If I really want to "erm achsually" it's called a charge by the game and the devs

[latent olive]

#general-feedback message

you steal.............my idea..........

[urban flax]

Just like Ark did with kapro, giga, beelzebufo or whatever other abomination they made up, despite Ark being much less grounded and believable than The Isle is

[limber hull]

you missed the awesome "but the isle is realistic" conversation over quad carchar

[latent olive]

i was just scrolling up

[urban flax]

It's not stealing an idea, it's sharing the holy words

[thick summit]

Carcha could be mostly bipedal but have an agility advantage when entering the quadrupedal stance

[urban flax]

Then carno's charge is not a shove
Its
Well
A charge
With its head
Also referred to as "ram"

[ancient kestrel]

Anyway returning to the topic of carch - making it quadroped is way too extreme for anatomy of its family

[thick summit]

But I would love to see a carcharodontosaurus based on jaguars

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/indominous-rex-roaring-jurassic-world-jurassic-park-dinosaurs-gif-17281029

[urban flax]

The other option is making it giga 2
Which is lame

[normal shuttle]

SO FAKE

IMPOSSIBLE! UNTHINKABLE!

The isle could never have something like that

[ancient kestrel]

Well considering that it's not a tisso-hyper or whatever other mutation - yes. Thats too much

[urban flax]

You can't say quad carch would be unbelievable when there's still people who believe spino was quad

[urban flax]

It is technically a mutation
Just like everything else
Just remember herrera
Beipi

[lilac bolt]

aren't we missing like most of carch's fossils?

[urban flax]

We are
I think we have like, a leg and half a skull

[latent olive]

i considered that joke route but you can only go one way and i decided to take the antagonist route

[normal shuttle]

So true

[latent olive]

even the leg is dubious, its mostly just half a skull

[urban flax]

I think it's actually part of its arm
It's arm meant for supporting its weight

[latent olive]

sadly i think quadruped carcharo was given a hard no by one of the devs but im not sure who exactly

but goddamn if it wouldnt be incredible to have, especially done by this team

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855535605178171422/1337799259361120276/clubdryo.gif

[urban flax]

I do think the addition of carchar itself is highly illogical, but at least quad carchar would make it somewhat interesting looks-wise

[ancient kestrel]

Yes its in fact less believable because large apex carhcaradontosaurids wasn't know for their hands size (if we talking of specimens which had those)

[urban flax]

Dondi when talking about tarbo : Why would I waste millions of dollars making something that is effectively a rex clone ?
Dondi when talking about carchar : Hell yeah

[latent olive]

i love when people say "turning carcharodontosaurus into a quadruped is TOO FAR" but then they go look at beipiaosaurus or herrerasaurus and go "heehee : 3"

[urban flax]

Dromaeosaurs weren't known for their huge heads either
Yet there is Utah

[limber hull]

"replicator, give this carchardontosaurid big hand"
"done"

lore complete

[latent olive]

the isle has permanently affected the representation of beipiaosaurus for years to come

[ancient kestrel]

I think logic behind it that carch had a prototype model already

[urban flax]

Also tyrannosaurs weren't known for being 9+tons
T-rex is an outlier in a family composed mostly of 1-2 tons species

[limber hull]

but hwat of the albertosaur

or the noble tarbosaur

[latent olive]

the replicator going off-meta and making carcharo a bit too front heavy so it turns its forelimbs into full legs to support its weight much better while still giving it the ability to use them as hands/arms

voila, done

[ancient kestrel]

Ok whatever. Stay on that. But I dislike this idea.

[urban flax]

I would honestly have loved to see megalosaur in the Isle as a quadrupedal giant carnivore

[normal shuttle]

spinosaurids werent known for having webbed feet, tadpole tail and a huge dented spine all at once

Yet we have spinosaurus.

[limber hull]

i choose to enable the creative energy of a giant terrfying carnivore quadruped rather than tremble in fear of new ideas that challenge me

i act in defiance of my bubble, not within its warmth

[latent olive]

i would love to see if they DO continue with carcharo, but its almost certainly nuked from the roster

[urban flax]

I'd prefer carchar being gone rather than a giga clone

[limber hull]

imma be honest if styraco and pachyrhino got the cut there is no universe where carchar survives lmao

but it's a fun thought experiment (and we as a community can create the quad carchar mod specifically to mess with the people who made the paleo-accurate carchar mod)

[latent olive]

death before dishonour, literally

[ancient kestrel]

next day Dondi: hey, we canceling our plans on carch bcause we can't find a place in the roster for it

[limber hull]

then cool

idc lol

my hat in the race is either carchar be interesting or gone idc which

[urban flax]

Quad carchar : Cool
No carchar : OK whatever
Giga clone carchar : Bad

[latent olive]

I LOVE PALEO-FANTASY

[limber hull]

honestly i'm tempted TO make the quad-carchar mod when modding comes out because the concept of how mad it would make certain people would fill me with all the motivation i need

[urban flax]

Do you know programming ?

[limber hull]

i know design and a little programming

[latent olive]

grilling_plotting_scheming react that guy

[limber hull]

but game design and balancing is by far my best skill

[latent olive]

i would love to assist but my best ability is playing megalania for 8 hours flat

[limber hull]

good skill

the glania

[ancient kestrel]

But anyway if not canceling this dinosaur I prefer to work with ideas for this creature without making it a frankestein monster focusing instead on abilities which could be given

[ancient kestrel]

Filipe mentioned in 2023 that it was still in the list

Same for corytho

[limber hull]

Then it better be quad

[urban flax]

I could help with sculpting, rigging and animation tbh

[ancient kestrel]

I doubt that pachyrhino canceled

[limber hull]

Better not be

One of the most interesting ceratopsians

[urban flax]

Visual uniqueness is important too

[limber hull]

aka not giga 2

[urban flax]

Carch can be as fun as it gets, if it can't be visually differentiated from Giga there's an issue

[latent olive]

call in support from the iguanodon guy himself, hypernova

[urban flax]

That's why they made acro a burger king enthusiast
So its silhouette stands out

[limber hull]

iguanodon deployed

[ancient kestrel]

It definitely requires less thought process of how make it unique cause it's by design unique ceratopsian

[limber hull]

literally a fracture-based ceratopsian is already well and truly unique enough

[ancient kestrel]

Well I did the idea that it could be an endurance hunter with great stam efficiency and relatively high base sprint speed for apex (but not faster than rexes murder sprint). Special attack can be instead of gigas flesh grazing be a ripping tendons on legs of prey which would cause slowing down and increase stamina cost for running

[urban flax]

yawn

[limber hull]

that just sounds like giga lol

high speed? excellent at slowing down prey via status effect? endurance hunter?

that's giga

[ancient kestrel]

Wdym. Status is effect different

it's like calling acros choke and rexes crush being same abilties

[urban flax]

Well
Until we see what makes acro's choke unique, they are

[ancient kestrel]

It's not that hard to imagine considering that acros choke basically not direct damage and if interrupted - prey would be left with minimal damage.

If anything more logical to compare acro with deino but he "drowns"prey on land

[ancient kestrel]

Anyway we still don't know final drafts on gigas implementation. Probably better to abandon carch topic until giga arrives to make better understanding

unless directly try to ask devs what they think about carch

Still funny that sub giga model from legacy is just repurposed carch model

[ancient kestrel]

I won't be mad at mod tho. Mods are good place for crazy ideas (in terms of being way too crazy for vanilla game standards)

[dawn hound]

#general-feedback message @normal shuttle

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[urban notch]

and what was fixed or added in the update ?

[normal shuttle]

Thanks

After all, we need to make Carch cool

Let’s be real

A quadrupedal megatheropod would stand out a lot

Many people might not like that at first glance

But come on, with Tapwing, Kissen and Bryan in the team it can even look nice

[chilly ermine]

@vapid tusk

Regarding troos in a sanctuary. The isle is known for having danger everywhere, water, trees, sanctuaries. There basically is not a safe area to be. Troos hanging out in sanctuaries is part of their design. I don’t think that’s going to change.

Some sanctuaries are worse than others (NE mostly). Also, mushrooms can grown on the exterior. If your a herbi it’s good sometimes to take a shroom and walk (don’t run) into a thicket to eat it.

Fact is, the survival element is going to be easier or harder each time depending the circumstances you spawn into.

@rare patio I think smelling mushrooms would be fine if it was a very close proximity, like really close. Otherwise it would be even easier for herbies, have to have some challenge growing at the baby stage.

[normal shuttle]

we need the devs to know

quad carch

All I know is that Punch thought it was interesting, but just Punch

[vapid tusk]

You don't say.
Still, there are servers where Troodon are so well established, especially a few unofficials, that they have nests in almost every sanctuary.
My proposal is basically to force a risk/reward for fighting in one. If you're a carnivore and you attack a herbivore in it, it can be your big meal as a juvie and help you grow. If you're an herbi and you feel threatened and strike first, it could mean your death anyway.
This gives juvie carnivores an edge as they will want to attack first, kill fast, then have to leave the bee range and return to eat.
But it ALSO solves the issue, and it is an issue, of fully grown Troodons, nesting in a sanctuary and invalidating an entire mechanic of the game

It also solves Hera being able to pounce out of trees, kill, and go right back into a tree for free, killing for sport and bullying fresh spawns for no reason.

[ancient kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184681758231363636/1219346714587304077/The_Isle_Lore.gif

[normal shuttle]

real

[ancient kestrel]

I wonder who made this btw

[normal shuttle]

Ben is canon, so quad carch should be as well

[urban flax]

I made the gif by stealing the model someone else made here
But I don't remember who it was

[chilly ermine]

I hear what you’re saying.

Sanctuaries are a risk/reward mechanic. Shrooms are super food. Herbies can go to migration zones or patrols for food.

Walking into a sanctuary is a risk, full stop. Part of that risk is running into troos.

[vapid tusk]

Then Troodons deserve a risk too

No one should just get an easy meal, is what everyone keeps telling me, but everyone seems very okay with Troodons getting an easy meal

[rare patio]

I think as long as it's in the radius of their scent range, they should be able to. They can smell other plants, only makes sense that they can smell sanctuary mushrooms. Also, they generally have to make it to a sanctuary without being attacked by carnivores...or other herbivores or surviving that attack when you're slower than they are. Or encountering a group of nesting troodons in the sanctuary or sometimes other bigger herbivores are in there and decide all the mushrooms are theirs and will attack you or juvie carnivores will. It would also mean that juvie carnivores would find more herbi juvies in there.

[urban flax]

Finally found the convo
It was isaac
#isle-discussion message

[normal shuttle]

Winning

@sharp glade carno’s bleed resistance got buffed in HT

[rotund fractal]

Has anyone from the development team ever said that there will be longnecks as dinosaurs in evrima at some point?

[icy lion]

Multiple are planned

[rotund fractal]

very nice

[bleak kestrel]

@normal shuttle your idea for carcar is cool but

I think climbing is to much same with walking on 4 arms

Like at this point just make it maip lol

Jaguar like playstyle tho while its pretty good swimmer and all seems cool

But i dont get why climbing

I think it would fit more of a niche like trash eater and bleeder

[urban flax]

why the hell not

[bleak kestrel]

Its a carcar 😭

[urban flax]

And ?

Herrera is a climber in the Isle too, despite not being able to climb irl

Same with hypsi

[bleak kestrel]

It sounds like you guys want indominus rex named carcharo

[urban flax]

It sounds like you want giga 2.0

[bleak kestrel]

Thats the reson carcar wasnt planned in frist place before

[woven bane]

we already got JP raptor and rex might as well get the whole package🤣 jokes aside it would make carcharo stand out more

[urban flax]

And now it is, so might as well make it into something interesting instead of a giga clone

[bleak kestrel]

Eh i guess but like i think its could be bit to much

[urban flax]

Some people have a weird definition of "too much"

[bleak kestrel]

You want to make cacar.

Climb
Swim
Walk on 4 limbs

[urban flax]

I don't care about swimming actually

And I honestly don't know how it's gonna climb if it's given giga bodyplan

So in a way, I just want it to make sense

[bleak kestrel]

I mean if it wont climb as adult its fine

[urban flax]

Of course it will climb as an adult

[bleak kestrel]

But if its will that doesnt make sense at all

[urban flax]

Why ?

[bleak kestrel]

Bro even megalania as adult cant do that from what concept art shown

[urban flax]

Ok and ?
If carchar is adapted for climbing, why couldn't it ?

[bleak kestrel]

😭

[urban flax]

I diagnose a critical lack of imaginative thinking

[bleak kestrel]

Dude its probably at minimum 6 tons

[urban flax]

And ?
Stego is 6 tons and it can float above the ground when running

[bleak kestrel]

Issue its imagine falling by accident

A small fall is like death sentence

[urban flax]

Herrera can fall too, doesn't mean it's incapable of climbing

[urban flax]

Unless it's like
Resistant to fall damage
Because it's a climber

[bleak kestrel]

You see it would become great issue if something so big could climb

[urban flax]

Why ?

[bleak kestrel]

Like with how climbing mechanic is rn i could see you falling mutiple times from a high point

[urban flax]

I wasn't aware herrera would fall often
In fact it's quite the opposite

[woven bane]

climbing can be buggy at times

[bleak kestrel]

It would happen often enough for your 6 to. Carcar to die

[urban flax]

You're diving deep into the domain of assumptions here
Who says it will be vulnerable to fall damage ?
Who says climbing won't be fixed by then ?
Who says it will always happen at great heights ?

@leaden bronze Teno is not small game compared to in-game carno which is 1.3 ton
Idk what irl carno has to do with that

[bleak kestrel]

Bro you know how heavy carcar is

[urban flax]

Yes and I fail to see in what way it makes it incapable of climbing with a bit of fictionalization

[bleak kestrel]

yeah a bit

[normal shuttle]

By climbing I mean something like getting on top of containers and most buildings at the port

More or less feasible for a 6-7 ton animal with the right anatomy. Without looking that stupid

Just like a little climb that won’t last for long

So it cannot get on top of trees- in fact nah, trees wouldn’t be climbable for this thing

[gray canopy]

@leaden tapir

[normal shuttle]

Also why carchar and not maip: spino and carch beef in the isle would be absolute cinema

18-7 winning

[leaden tapir]

Where do I tag admin

[icy lion]

In #evrima-eu

[bleak kestrel]

i meant in more way that you wanted quadrepedal dino

maip would be better pick

also for climbing

[urban flax]

Maip is cringe
Also carchar is already planned for the roster, but we don't want it to be a giga clone

Hence the quad/climbing niche

[bleak kestrel]

You dont really need to make carcar a climber for it to not be giga copy.

Also how is maip cringe?

[urban flax]

Overrated
Tell me then, how to make carchar into a unique and interesting animal without making it "too much" ?

[bleak kestrel]

Maip overrated?

Rec is overrated maip is less popular than carcar.

[urban flax]

Not in here
There's people every so often going "Add maip, it's my favorite dino"
While it's just some generic theropod

[bleak kestrel]

Its not some generic theropod

[urban flax]

Oh really ?

[bleak kestrel]

Its very agile dinosaur and very unique for a theropod if you ask me

There is not really something like maip

Very light and hollow bones would make it very agile and its has huge arms and pretty decent bite force

Its not a fisher like bary

Its more like allosaurus but bigger i belive

[urban flax]

If it's just that, then every theropod is unique in its own way

[normal shuttle]

But the thing is, carch is planned

And also to be honest some people are wouldn’t like maip turned into that whereas it is fine for carch to become that because a) more unrealistic things exist in the game and b) people who want accurate carch or anything resembling its role have giga

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah exactly you can say something is just generic theropod i dont see you as dinosaur fan then

[urban flax]

I'm not a dinosaur fan
I'm a dinosaur enjoyer

[bleak kestrel]

Calling maip generic theropod is a still a crime ngl

[urban flax]

Your reaction proves my point

[dawn hound]

#general-feedback message @vapid tusk troodon was depicted as sanctuary hunter by the devs btw

[bleak kestrel]

You dont really have anything like it in Creatous

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly making carcharo diffrent than giga isnt really that difficult.

1.could make it have venom that would make his prey have debuffs like worse vision or basicaly dont know how much hp or bleed they got

[urban flax]

So carchar climbing is too much but venom is okay ? LOL

[bleak kestrel]

2. Make it a trash eater

Basicaly it will be able to eat anything and maybe it would be able to control what his venom does

[bleak kestrel]

These creatures arent dinosaurus they are modified and also i have no idea how would you would make carcar so strong it would be able to climb it would basicaly need to be strong as a chimp compare too his size (basicaly way stronger than it looks like it is)

So i find venom more possible than it being able to climb

[urban flax]

The answer is in your question : mutated

[bleak kestrel]

I dont think it shouldnt be able cause if it could climb at 1 ton then okey

Making it gameplay diffrent from juvie to adult would be nice

I just have no idea how his climb would be actually viable

[urban flax]

Literally what's the issue with allowing adult carchar to have an interesting niche

[bleak kestrel]

I think at younger stages sure

But older? Nah

But if we just saying climbing on small rocks and etc then fine

[urban flax]

I'm not sure what you mean by "small rocks"
But it should be able to get on top of buildings and such

[bleak kestrel]

Something you wouldnt be able to get on as any t-rex

But as any omni

[normal shuttle]

I once tried to do the math with some stuff we learnt in physics at college and herra would need to have a toughness superior to that of titanium in its bones (let alone the right structures to preserve the brain, ligaments, muscles, and internal organs) to survive jumping something from a 30-40 meter fall, as it would be similar to being ran over by a 7 ton truck at 28 meters per second.

But carcharodontosaurus, a theropod without fossilized arms and giving it long and muscular enough limbs with a sizable metacarpus is too much

[normal shuttle]

So like dilo and troodon venom that are also getting their special screens and both of them already have ways to obscure your vision?

[bleak kestrel]

Diffrence is one is 175kg and some creatures that well all half is weight maybe in real life can really survive intesne falls.

But like i couldnt see carcar surivive even quarter of what herrera does

[bleak kestrel]

No?

But i guess if you want climbing carcar okey

[normal shuttle]

There is no 85kg animal who is surviving a fall like that unscathed

Cats can barely do that and they just die if they don’t land properly. 40 meters is taller than a 10 story building!!!

[vapid tusk]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly okey

[normal shuttle]

Damn

[bleak kestrel]

But idk why u want 6 ton animal want to climb

Is it only to have safe spot?

[normal shuttle]

Can I ask you just one little thing to clarify?

Well I will ask you anyway

What are you imagining when I say climbing?

[vapid tusk]

Perhaps vaulting would be a better word to use?

[bleak kestrel]

In carcar maybe just getting on small rock

[vapid tusk]

The ability to clamber up something small or over a fence?

[bleak kestrel]

You didint really explained why you mean by climbing in your suggestion

[normal shuttle]

Because I really don’t mean like herra that can cling to a tree indefinitely

I mean- YEAH, vaulting is a pretty good word. Short climbing or vaulting over stuff since its morphology would allow that a lot more than literally any other apex

[bleak kestrel]

I wouldnt mind like 1 ton carcar be able to climb tho

But not leap for sure

[normal shuttle]

Like straightening up a little and using its arms to slowly go up a building that is like 10m tall at best

Not trees, just rocks and buildings that absolutely there’s a chance that they could sustain that weight

[urban flax]

Again, why does it have to be limited to 1 ton ? So that growing carchar to adult is a punition ?

[normal shuttle]

Having a second floor is far heavier than a 7 thin theropod

[bleak kestrel]

I mean climbing on trees dude

Valiant dont really want adult one to be able to climb trees to cause well we all know it would look stupid

[urban flax]

I never meant carchar should climb on trees

[bleak kestrel]

Okey

[blissful quartz]

Hordetest is scary quiet in terms of populous

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, but I guess smaller ones are fine as less adept at climbing but better swimmer herras

Also far beefier and unable to really jump off a surface

Also I was trying to find a reference of more or less what I meant for an adult climbing

[ancient kestrel]

Well what if any new abelisaurid will be discovered without limbs - would you assume that it could have long functional arms?

[normal shuttle]

And I think I found something vaguely similar to what I imagine for an adult climbing. Of course with a much different animation to adapt to the model (and also with stuff that the hopping really), but climbing things that aren’t excessively high, clawing its way up and burning a lot of stamina in the process.

Or a lot like a large monitor lizard

[gritty heart]

Holy shoot Shadow of reference!

[urban flax]

You can just look up climbing animations form monsters in Monster Hunter too

[normal shuttle]

Oh yeah those too

[urban flax]

There's Evolve with giant monsters climbing vertical surfaces too

[normal shuttle]

Although many are jump and a bunch of monster fly so I didn’t take it that much into account

And evolve is a good one too

Didn’t come to mind

But the main idea with the climbing is something more about slowly creeping up a very solid surface rather than running up a tree in a quadrupedal way like herra

[urban flax]

The fun thing is, every monster in MHW and MHWilds can climb vertical surfaces
Some of them look very funny doing it, but most are somewhat believable

[normal shuttle]

I played world but dunno about wilds. And yeah I know about the climbing

It’s just that whenever I think of them traversing vertical spots, rat halos flying up or anja just jumping down came to mind

[normal shuttle]

But you are right

[thick summit]

...

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-that-guy-spiderman-spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-spiderverse-kingpin-gif-20437897

@dim wing balance is also possible without making the game a mmo

[dim wing]

looks like evrima doing very well, agree!

[ancient kestrel]

Young megalanias would climb according to the devs. may be

[dim wing]

No one’s stopping you from borrowing smart ideas from other games—you’re obviously exaggerating. There’s no need to turn the game into an MMO

[normal shuttle]

I mean, considering that in most cases it’s just things needing some buffs but either way the overwhelming majority of young stages are viable, you can survive most adult matchups and only die if it is your fault and there’s a reason to play a significant chunk of the roster except most tiny tiers and some larger outlier.

Feedback is more likely to be heard and understood when it is not laced with sarcasm and there is elaboration about the balancing issues you find. Also #balance-feedback is a good option to discuss the current state of playables

It is far better designed than legacy balanced wise

[normal shuttle]

I know, also shows up in the concept doing that when it is not too big

[steel field]

healing in the middle of combat is anything BUT a smart idea balancing-wise

[ancient kestrel]

Btw how people feel about my utah idea?

[dim wing]

yaaa no way right?

[urban flax]

I think it's too similar to omni, not enough of a brawler

Idk why you would make pounce bearable against utah and leave omni as-is

[ancient kestrel]

I mean I would glad if they remove chance based bucking of to more player controlled. Randomness sucks

[urban flax]

Tbh if I had to design it I may not even give pouncing to Utah

[tardy talon]

Utah raptor to big to have pounce

[urban flax]

It's not really a matter of being too big

It's a matter of pushing it into a desired niche instead of making it an omni clone

[ancient kestrel]

Allo will pounce lol

[tardy talon]

Yeah and I think that's kinda stupid

[ancient kestrel]

Eh.

[urban flax]

tbh, omni should be too big to pounce as well
Yet it can, because tis game is taking liberties with realism

[tardy talon]

Pouncing just makes small playables not fun to play

[ancient kestrel]

Pin =/= Pounce

[tardy talon]

Pinning I mean

[ancient kestrel]

Pinning is just made too one-sided

It is fixeble

[urban flax]

I'm thinking of what special abilities I'd give utah

[tardy talon]

It would be very difficult to implement utah and have it different from omni

[faint folio]

I mean, isn't that particular trait essentially what people want gastro to change to (if not removed entirely)? Rather than giving you health on eating, buffing the healing rate when eating?

[ancient kestrel]

I am still thinking that jumping one someones back and eating them alive - cool concept

[normal shuttle]

I support people who want balance changes, especially stuff like gastro

But I do not like how it has been delivered here

[urban flax]

I'm thinking of a "charged pounce"
Works a bit like cera's charged bite. The longer your charge it, the more direct damage it deals. Charged pounce also CCs, with a higher threshold the longer you hold it, up to being able to knockdown something up to 200% of utah's weight at max charge

However utah cannot pin things with it. After knocking something down it rolls over and gets up in an attack-ready position

Since the wings need to have some use, I'd make utah able to hold the charge even while jumping
Pouncing in midair allows it to redirect its jump
Maybe it could have a feature where pounce damage and CC increases with falling height, like herrera, to push it into some sort of moutain lion niche (also some paleontologists theorize that utahraptor used heights to jump on unsuspecting prey despite its inferior agility due to its size)

[normal shuttle]

They could’ve said it in a much better way

[urban flax]

But that's kinda shallow in terms of abilities and niche, I need to think up more things

Maybe more cliff-oriented abilities
Such as wall-running (horizontally only) and wall-jumping
But I don't want to make it a bigger herrera either

[faint folio]

I mean I don't particularly appreciate the snark in the original post, but OP didn't say anything about wanting to make the game an MMO, just that they felt the isle's balance could be improved. (And honestly now that I'm thinking about it, mutations really aren't that different from the different abilities you can equip in path of titans, other than the fact that you can't change them without respawning once applied)

[normal shuttle]

I mean

[ancient kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-pilot-wall-running-gif-24979028

[normal shuttle]

When you compare something to another game, it is reasonable to assume you want that trait to be copied

[urban flax]

Quite literally

[ancient kestrel]

Wall run on dino. Sounds cool

[normal shuttle]

We just need to be insistent enough

And carch will be good

[urban flax]

I wouldn't make utah fast however
40 km/h max

[ancient kestrel]

But sadly it's too niche considering that map wasn't really designed for it

[urban flax]

True, it lacks praticable mountains
But maybe with a slight rework...
I mean utah isn't the only thing that would benefit from more irregular terrain

[ancient kestrel]

You wan't it to be munched by ceras? There is a reason why it's 42

[urban flax]

Perhaps with that universal vault mechanic they've been talking about, they'd be less shy about making more terrain asperities, small cliffs and such

[urban flax]

There's a reason why it would have good vertical mobility
But maybe 40 is a bit low sure
I sometimes forget how fast cera is

[ancient kestrel]

And cera doesn't need to be slower either cause then it will be munched by rexes and allos with ease

[gusty flax]

#general-feedback message wtf is this 😭 might aswell give guns to dinosaurs

[ancient kestrel]

Only issue is that by that utah will be same speed or faster than pachy

[urban flax]

Yes, pachy will need a buff
No matter wether or not utah is added to the game

[vocal beacon]

Give Dilos working Venom back

[normal shuttle]

it's literally gastro heal

[normal shuttle]

rework dilo's venom*

[vocal beacon]

👍

[normal shuttle]

dont be mad

[vapid tusk]

Arcade-like, meta-game stuff like this belongs in PoT. It FITS well there.
It has no place here.

[normal shuttle]

so remove gastro

[urban flax]

yes

[vapid tusk]

Very yes. At best it should be something like "when hunger is 80% or higher, increase health regeneration while resting" or something

And at worst, just yeet it

[normal shuttle]

mhm

also combat mutations that give extra health or damage absolutely need to go before rex

or else this thing will do like 25% extra damage on everyone or have 1400 health more when fighting a trike

[vapid tusk]

I would just rather species specific mutations a little, or at least balancing, but that would require spreadsheets and a lot of practical tests

[normal shuttle]

24-9

If only votes mattered

[indigo gulch]

if votes mattered my one and only suggestion in general feedback would have been implemented already xD

[normal shuttle]

Lol

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message @queen pike , it's only shown as 38 MB for me. You probably just switched the betas

[queen pike]

I didnt.

[ancient kestrel]

odd

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message lmao is this real?

[thick summit]

They installed the hotfix "0.legacy.branch.188"

[woeful latch]

lol

[thick summit]

That's quite cheesy, isn't it

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[tall hearth]

Sometimes steam goes through each file in the game and patches it that way. It happens to me from time to time and I don't think there's a way to prevent it. It's just what steam decides to do.

[queen pike]

It wasn’t patching it was a download. Two different things. I think with how the votes went it wasn’t just me

[icy lion]

Steam has had issues displaying the correct download sizes for all games as of recent

Just this morning I had a "66GB" update for No Man's Sky that actually turned out to be 10

Once the download starts, you can look in the top right to see the actual download size

[vestal vapor]

@swift dagger i recommend finding a good unoficial server to play during those times.

Most servers have discords just watch out for the -1000 ping and low player ones. There are quiet a few options from 100-200 player unoficials that are really good.

Won't name here, there are several adcedtised here and some that don't advertise as well that are really good too with great communities.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message why do people want pt to be able to fly indefinitely

[tall hearth]

Because they aren't sure what else they'd add to the playable to make it fun, and don't want to take the time to think of things they'd potentially add to it so it can do something other than just fly and eat fish.

[woven bane]

or people can’t manage their stamina while flying properly

[mortal parrot]

Slower than Cera?

[rotund fractal]

Wasn't there the Ankylosaurus in legacy? Was there ever anything said about it coming to Evrima, or would it be too boring for evrima? Would there be any reasons not to put it in or reasons for it? Personally, I think it would be nice. What do you think?

[icy lion]

Everything from legacy is coming to evrima except for puertasaurus

[steep iron]

I don't see why they wouldn't try to put it in. Just a more armoured version of Stego that would have a chance to fracture bones with tail strikes.

[rotund fractal]

uhh sounds great

[gritty heart]

they can't leave pookie out.

[icy lion]

It's getting a remodel for evrima instead of keeping its legacy model

[rotund fractal]

but why no puertasaurus? I throught they put long neck dinos in evrima

[icy lion]

It's being replaced by brachiosaurus

[rotund fractal]

ahh Brachi! niceeee than nice

[rotund fractal]

the bone crusher😎

[gritty heart]

https://tenor.com/view/dino-rey-dinosaur-king-dou-gif-23218522

the devs are afraid to give anky a grab

[rotund fractal]

xDDDD

They sould do that just for one day xD

just a joke, but i'm curious how you can defeat him with his armor and how much stam it costs to deliver a strong blow

[gritty heart]

it would probably be hard, but since anky will likely be quite slow they can be "generous" with its power.

[rotund fractal]

maybe headbites

[rotund fractal]

true

[gritty heart]

really, as far as threats go, I could see them making it mostly mid tier agile predator mini packs, apex duos, and/or swarms of little guys (though really I would dislike the last option)

[past crystal]

wondering if anky would ever have the chance of flipping on their back

no idea how they'd get out of it though

[unreal ridge]

its like a stun but with a longer time to make it punishing since anky can choose when it gets stunned technically

Anky can hunker down into a protective state from everyone except spino

but as you see in anky's concept art, so long as anky gets one good hit spino is pretty much crippled

all it does is give anky a predator that can follow it everywhere and exploit its weaknesses

[rotund fractal]

but it should be really difficult to get it right because that's basically game over for anky

[tall hearth]

It's a mix of both things I suppose.

[unreal ridge]

yeah spino has to get past that huge 360 degree bone cracking tail to get the chance of pulling anky over

and even then its not going to be a sure this, in the concept it looks like anky is being pulled over unprepared, like its being dragged upwards almost
So im assuming this is when anky is actually in the defensive stance it has

[rotund fractal]

thats the point

[unreal ridge]

forcing anky to at least fight SOMETHING

i wish anky's model was as chunky as the one in the concept art

[rotund fractal]

yeah

[unreal ridge]

its not really a good angle but i hope hes wide yk

I love the model just some things about it feel off yk?

i wish the legs were a litte stockier and it had more of a gut to it to give it the ankylosaur feel

[rotund fractal]

i don't like the head somehow but the rest i think is ok

[unreal ridge]

it looked a lot better in its concept art

[unreal ridge]

yeah the head does feel a little big for the body tbh

again could just be the angle but I would personally make it smaller

[rotund fractal]

yeah and I doesnt see the eyes xD

[unreal ridge]

i see them, or the place they are supposed to be

[rotund fractal]

thats true

[unreal ridge]

still gonna be a beast of a playable

[alpine oasis]

@normal shuttle i like stuff that have effort put in it #general-feedback message

[alpine oasis]

because it got a model change, people didnt like the dip on its neck (they were all wrong)

[rotund fractal]

#general-feedback message guys let the devs decide when, and development especially in games takes time and only the devs know when something is ready for release

[unreal ridge]

comparing new anky to old anky, yeah its really just the head and the mid section, tail is a little weird but in a good way if that makes sense, i like the look of shin destroyer sometimes
but that head and neck are just a little too disproportionate, shrinking them slightly would do wonder for the model
the mid section area could use some widening, I want this guy to feel like a tank, like a portly gentleman just strolling through the woods

[normal shuttle]

Thx

[faint folio]

I honestly think (hope?) it looks weird because of the angle, lack of textures (eye color/shine for example) and the weird lighting in that model shot

[unreal ridge]

wdym dip in the neck

[faint folio]

Green/red lights?

[alpine oasis]

uhhh idk how to explain

[unreal ridge]

im definitely hoping its the angle, the head just looks so fat and like its a funko pop or something
all it needs is to be a little smaller

[unreal ridge]

like the folds inbetween armor?

[faint folio]

That very well could be foreshortening though because the head is definitely closer to the camera.... Idk

[unreal ridge]

its such a weird angle i wish they gave us broad side or top down

[faint folio]

Agreed

[alpine oasis]

the neck was somewhat like this

[unreal ridge]

oh why'd they change that

[rotund fractal]

damnn

[unreal ridge]

that would've looked sweet

turn that bobble head into looking like anky was wearing like a spartan helmet

[swift heart]

tell me if that makes sense or not #general-feedback message

[alpine oasis]

like this?

[unreal ridge]

ye

the main problem i have with it is that it looks like hes wasting away, he doesnt have any heft to it
it looks very light

honestly that could also be just posture

i could definitely see if they lowered the back, raised the head and such it would look better

but it lacks that tubby anky essence

I present to you the perfect model

theres like absolutely nothing wrong with the way shant looks

[compact bobcat]

I’m guessing when people save their dinosaurs, and log back into the lobby it put some in the advantage and disadvantage?Iit happened to me already twice.

[past crystal]

dunno, looking at the model i can tell you with some degree of certainty it's certainly a wide boye *anky

like looking at the high point right there, it's gonna be doubly wide on the other side

wide boi!!

[limber hull]

no because it still supports combat healing

which is the entire issue with gastro

the actual TLC video even states that it flat out allows you to combat heal

[past crystal]

uh which convo are you responding to

agreed though combat healing is an immense issue with gastro

[limber hull]

idk why it didn't reply wtf

[past crystal]

it's the reason swarms of 8 ceras can go around killing things. if one of them falls, the others eat it, and go right back to what they were doing

[limber hull]

i meant to reply to this idk what happened

PoT's new ability literally is entirely designed to enable and support combat healing

[past crystal]

combat healing doesn't make any sense in a game that's designed for survival

though i don't know much about pot. maybe it's not survival

[limber hull]

it flat out isnt

it's an MMO

[past crystal]

aight

[compact bobcat]

The re-responding of your Dinos have to change

[past crystal]

reresponding?

[compact bobcat]

Yes, I got responded and like five Cardinals were around me

[past crystal]

oh more POT stuff

[unreal ridge]

i hope so

[limber hull]

responded in the Vatican

[limber hull]

i dont think it is

i think my broken english translator is

"The respawning of your dinos has to change, I respawned and five carnos/carnivores were around me"

although the concept of being ambushed by 5 Cardinals is deeply amusing to me

[compact bobcat]

Yes, you win the perfect prize my friend. I was using Siri, but this Reddit crap doesn’t register right

[normal shuttle]

dunno about that carch reply

chameleon stuff seems like ambush tools

and we have an ambusher apex already

[limber hull]

if anything that'll be covered by tissos

[buoyant dove]

#general-feedback message

What bro 😭

[limber hull]

he doesn't understand peak fiction

quad carchar supremacy

[buoyant dove]

5-7 ton dino climbing up a building what the turok

[limber hull]

yea

the 175kg dino can survive terminal velocity i think its fine

[buoyant dove]

i think theres a difference cats squireels and raccons can survive that

[limber hull]

a herrera is not literally any of those things

[buoyant dove]

but like a 7 ton dinosaur i dont know man climbing a building

[buoyant dove]

yeah but that proves small things can survive terminal velocity

like herrera

[limber hull]

175kg is not small

[buoyant dove]

for the roster yeah

[limber hull]

a tiger/lion can mantle on top of surfaces, and they're exceptionally large for their given "rosters"

why not carchar by the same metric

[buoyant dove]

theres a difference between a 190kg agile predator built for speed to mantle up surfaces

compared to a 7 ton apex predator

[limber hull]

if we're comparing squirrels to herreras then not really no

[buoyant dove]

fair i guess

i just dont like the idea

of carch in general

we have giga and imo they are super similar to me its like para and cory

[limber hull]

oh neither but if it were to be added i'd want it to be something interesting and not a literal giga clone

[buoyant dove]

Im just stumped on what they can do with carch

The idea is cool but to me makes zero sense in a respectful way

Maybe carch could

be downsized?

to fit this

[limber hull]

yea but acro

also the idea is "quadruped apex" so downsizing it kinda defeats the point

[buoyant dove]

Yeah see i just dont see how carch would fit the game without being turned into like another dinosaur completely

[buoyant dove]

Theres not alot of quadruped carnivore dinosaurs thats in the same tier as rex and giga

that i can think of

[gritty heart]

to be honest I dislike the idea of quadrapedal carch

[buoyant dove]

same

[limber hull]

there are none

therefor we make one

[buoyant dove]

I really dont like the climbing either

[buoyant dove]

So somethibg like omni? fictional dino?

[limber hull]

i'm on the side of either quad carchar or no carchar

idc which

[buoyant dove]

Id prefer no carchar

[limber hull]

the only thing is that it was confirmed for the roster and frankly i dont want giga 2 as a whole playable

[buoyant dove]

Yeah thats not much u can do to make it carch and make it actually unique

Carch and giga even irl were similar i think

[limber hull]

they were, yes

[buoyant dove]

Carch and giga in the same game is like oxalaia and spino in the same game or corytho
and para

[gritty heart]

very much, they are family

[limber hull]

honestly i think cory and para have more ability to differentiate than giga and carch lol

[buoyant dove]

I agree

[gritty heart]

they at least have crests that are highly distinct

[buoyant dove]

Its like utah and omni, to me the only difference is feathers and small size difference unless they upsize utah but you can make them different while keeping utahraptor utahraptor

but you cant do that with carch and giga they are basically the same predator, you could make carcha more social but gigas already the social apex so you cant do that without overlap

[gritty heart]

though Tsintao has to be the funniest looking guy. Just threw a twig on and called it a day

[buoyant dove]

In my in conclusion carch just doesnt have a place in the roster

[limber hull]

unless its a quadruped >:)

[buoyant dove]

The being able to swim wouldnt work, herrera can work since its small and can use it as a escape but carch doesnt need it imo because a carch doesnt have much to be so threatened by it has to swim away other then rex gigas and maybe acros

Maybe carch could be the highly agile apex

The omni to utah maybe? Much smaller and way more light but much much more agile

[inland spire]

GUYS whts is the update on evrima rn?

Texting from work srry and ty

[limber hull]

hotfix

[heady geode]

#general-feedback message @unreal ridge a chameleon based dino would be cool af, but anything counter able by “only small dino” would just incite mixpacking, every group would always have the pet raptor following them around to point out the cloaked ambush predator lol

[unreal ridge]

well I mean there’s the thing
Carchar can do a whole number of poses to ensure it won’t be caught, different ones acting like a different part of its surroundings
So you still have to make sure you can stalk around and be sneaky, you can’t be a bush out in the open and hope nobody will notice

it’s more like if carchar is hiding in a bush, it’s still carchar hiding in a bush
But to some dinosaurs it just looks like a bigger bush
So as long as you incorporate your actual stealthy hiding capabilities plus the abilities given to your dinosaur I think it would do fine

Plus when I was coming up for the concept I kept thinking of “HES RIGHT THERE!” points at screen

but I definitely do see what you mean but I cannot stress enough that it’s supposed to be like the solo apex you know?

When there’s all these giga, spino and Rex duos everywhere, trike herds, Shant herds, etc

Having a guy whose main ability is looking exactly like the jungle allows carchar to essentially disappear from the other apexes and target them when they are alone or just smaller prey in general

the third idea I had for carchar that I couldn’t fit on there was “the wolf who cried boy” (weird name)
But like so troodon or whoever is getting a mimicry mechanic, why not an apex?
Carchar can use the mimicry to lure prey close to its hiding position, whether by mimicking the sound of a baby in distress, a potential mate or a dying animal

Sort of the same mechanics as before, Carchar crouches down starts to look like and blend into the foliage around it but instead of the other ambushers who are super quiet on their feet and have to advance slowly toward their prey, Carchar lays the ambush and lets prey come to them

[limber hull]

@buoyant dove ptera doesn't have talons. it doesn't even have claws. it has flappy little feet

also you want quetz

[unreal ridge]

@buoyant dove idk why people are opposed to the idea of a giant pterosaur
I like the Jurassic park style feet grab and lift to drop
If these are genetically modified or manufactured dinosaurs we could just make a scary mutant bird

but quetz does that so I’m happy

[limber hull]

some people wanna play ptera as a little guy that flies around

honestly if you really wanna give it new things just let it eat rot with the upcoming rework

[unreal ridge]

Give it the ability to forage for ai like galli

It would be peak gameplay

[limber hull]

i mean

that's fishing

[unreal ridge]

If you want ptera to interact with the other players, landing is a pretty good way to do that

[unreal ridge]

Fish get removed in no ai servers, galli can still forage (unless they changed it)

[heady geode]

Would give salt water ptera something to do until ocean update (when)

[unreal ridge]

Which makes skimming 100% useless

[oblique fable]

I like the idea of quetz and ptera in general, but I think the jump in-between the two could use another animal that's speced into specifically hunting rather than fishing/scavenging

no matter what both Quetz and Ptera are kinda forced into those two skills (esp ptera and juvie Quetz's since Quetz isn't really a threat until much older)

[unreal ridge]

I wouldn’t be opposed to letting pteranodon use skim as a grab

Snatch small hatchlings or use it to grab small slivers of meat off a carcass, maybe even an egg out of a nest

[limber hull]

i personally want a flying herbivore

[oblique fable]

besides tbh- with how varied and saturated the land based and aquatic roster is- I'd love more flying animals in general

[unreal ridge]

Tupa my goat

[oblique fable]

tupa would be goated

[heady geode]

Is hatz smaller that quetz? Regardless the isle could just Make it smaller, good middle ground, medium bird

[unreal ridge]

The only problem with the flying roster is that

1. They either look exactly like ptera or quetzal
2. Another game already took the creature

[heady geode]

Evolution do be wild, the most efficient form of flier all look alike

[oblique fable]

true...? but Hatz is kinda the same size as Quetzal and even if its slightly below or above, its compared and usually on par with the animal so I'd think a different animal would fit nicer

[unreal ridge]

Thalassodromeus would be so cool, a land based azdharchid who used its heavy skull to slam into prey before flying off with them? Awesome!
Who uses it? Oh… path of titans…

[limber hull]

lemme play as the pterodactylus and be a little bastard screw it

[unreal ridge]

tropeognathus, huge needle toothed beak but also very strong and resilient, would be a formidable foe on the ground too! Beasts of Bermuda got him

[oblique fable]

straight up though what Rex says here is 100% true, we could get some seriously nice animals with how "developed" the species on The Isle are

[heady geode]

Not using something because it’s in path would be unwise, since they have just about everything you could possibly cram in there to bloat a roster with things that play exactly the same

[oblique fable]

ahhh my message was blocked :(

[compact bobcat]

This mix pack crap gotta go,like ASAP.

[oblique fable]

was trying to say how cool of an animal we can get with how far the Isle goes with these concepts

[oblique fable]

100% agreed

[unreal ridge]

WAIT I HAVE JT

LUDODACTYLUS

The imposter pterosaur

it looks exactly like pteranodon but with a toothy grin instead of a beak

You can hear and understand pteranodon even eat them

Oh but the cannibal mutation exists nvm

Anhanguera?

Like a smaller tropeo

[sharp flax]

Pretty much tropeo/ornithocheirus ngl

[unreal ridge]

That’s the huge problem with pterosaurs 😭 they are all the same

[sharp flax]

Most of the Cretaceous pterosaurs have the same niche ngl.

[unreal ridge]

Get dimorphodon in here
Sky troodon

[sharp flax]

Tropeo, Ornitho, Anhanguera, Ludodactylus, etc are all fishers and whatnot

[unreal ridge]

Give it a pounce and let it sheer off flesh like a lamprey

[sharp flax]

Idk if there can be a valid in between from ptera to Quetz, since ptera is already a pretty large flier

We def need a herbivorous flier imo, like tupa or tape

Any kind of small tier pterosaur is already overshadowed by pterodactylus tho, since they could make that into a playable if they took the time and effort.

[unreal ridge]

Quetzalcoatlus lawsoni, it’s about the same size as dilo

I wouldn’t mind having quetzal subspecies
You get apex of the sky with Northropi and you get quicker growth fast angry bird with lawsoni I guess idk bro

[sharp flax]

I mean, it’s pretty much a younger Quetz northopi tho

Thal and other land-based are overshadowed by Quetz sooooo

[unreal ridge]

Barbaridactylus, wing cutter

[sharp flax]

I uh. It’s just ptera with a bigger crest?

[unreal ridge]

Use that giant head crest to fly under pterosaurs and slash their wings out

[sharp flax]

o k

[unreal ridge]

different niche now

[sharp flax]

Flier killer, ight.

[unreal ridge]

That was honestly the idea for tropeo tbh

Use all those needle teeth to shred wings

[sharp flax]

But then that’d make ptera unviable since you’d just go for tropeo and have more fun

[unreal ridge]

Well I mean it’s more so they can ambush and ground quetzal
Ptera would be too fast if alert

If anything pteranodon can harass tropeo, like how crows gang up on a hawk

Two different niches I suppose

[sharp flax]

Maybe that could work

[unreal ridge]

Maybe we are better off with just Ptera and quetz

I always wanted a tree stalker pterosaur personally

[sharp flax]

Ptera and Quetz just possess all the niches most pterosaurs have lmao

[unreal ridge]

harpy eagles and such have shorter wings and better grips so they can glide through the canopy without hitting a tree

The better grip, specifically in goshawks, also allows them to use trees as mid air runways and to push off of trees mid hunt to get a burst of speed

Works better with birds since they have the talons

Damn pterosaurs and their flapper feet

[proven fossil]

@ancient kestrel like the saurian raptor movement?

[mental mountain]

@balmy gazelle #general-feedback message This is coming to the game with the new UI

[ancient kestrel]

Eh. I think it's a crime to have only 2 flyers in the 60+ roster

But I hope there are planned other ones since there are 5-6 creatures which might no know about anything

[limber hull]

@full pewter wow that's actually really damn cool good stuff

low bite force, powerful claws, a stance that isn't a generic sparring stance or charge bite/ram

sick stuff

[full pewter]

Thanks dude😎

[limber hull]

now i do have one question

i think you need to revise the power stance because it seems to be more applicable to land, when bary should have a lot of aquatic power

y'know what i mean?

[full pewter]

I have thought about that, but I’m not sure what else Bary will need. It’ll be far more maneuverable in the water compared to most species, and it’ll easily be capable of spamming its attacks in water. I also ran out of room, I would have talked more on that

Maybe RMB when used in water could have a whole new attack

[limber hull]

i'd think about that because it's like... around 50% of bary's gameplay lol

everything else is pretty solid

[full pewter]

Definitely worth having more discussion in the video I’m making

[placid anchor]

#general-feedback message
If you put aside the ridiculous descriptions of what flying animals are capable of in your imagination, the diversity of flying creatures is a really great idea. There is practically nothing to do for the pteranodon, it is boring, and if there is competition in the sky from two or three more species, it will definitely be more fun and interesting.
I think the pteranodon was added too early, it should have been introduced with at least one more competing flying species.

[bleak kestrel]

What?

You know a falcon for example?

This thing can fly up to 300km/h and hit his target

I not even talking about extreme numbers like these

Basicaly dive bombing into something at 300km/h

I think it wouldnt be so unrealstic for something to be able to fraction of that ingame

[urban flax]

Common misconception
Falcons don't actually hit their target at high speed
They airbrake right before the impact so they don't turn themselves into mush

The speed is just an ambush tool
Which is to say, it's quite an impressive feat to be able to ambush something in the middle of the sky

[bleak kestrel]

You mean basicaly slow down

[urban flax]

Yes

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah i mean makes sense

But tell me why wouldnt be a pterosauroid able to do that

[urban flax]

I don't see the point of adding a pterosaur that is the same as ptera but better at combat
We saw what happened when ptera was good at combat

[bleak kestrel]

It would have bad stam and wouldnt be as good flyer as ptera

[urban flax]

It's also gonna get overshadowed by quetz once it releases

[urban flax]

Which makes it even less appealing

[bleak kestrel]

Quecl will take like 3+ hours to grow

[urban flax]

The cost of having something that can fly and is good at fighting

[bleak kestrel]

So what if we made it small like 15kg and diffrent dino?

[urban flax]

What's the point ?

[bleak kestrel]

Getting any falcon like playable would be nice

[urban flax]

We have only 2 pterosaurs planned, it would be a shame to add a third one only for it to be similar to one of the already existing ones

That's why tupan is the goat

[bleak kestrel]

Bro it wouldnt work like ptera

It would be more skill based

And you eathier land a hit or die by missing it

Okey maybe not die

But it would be very strong attack for a pterosauroid but would cost a lot of stam

[urban flax]

Pterosaurs shouldn't be designed to fight prey on land while staying airborne
That's a recipe for disaster

[limber hull]

FRUIT BAT NICHE YEAAAA

Make tupa an omnivorous flyer who can eat insects and fruit and lives its best life

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah unless ptera wont hunt it

[limber hull]

?

[bleak kestrel]

I think they would add any other small flyers to pteras diet

[limber hull]

i mean yea

[bleak kestrel]

Or at least smillar size to ptera

[limber hull]

honestly i stand by the fact that tupa could be the single most suitable addition to the game's roster

[woeful latch]

tupa could actually be a very good addition to the roster

[bleak kestrel]

I want semi aquatic pterosauroid

[limber hull]

a herbivirous flyer to give ptera/quetz something to hunt and engage with, a new unique herbivore/omnivore selection (depending on what you wanna do)

[woeful latch]

i want semiaquatic tenontosaurus

[woeful latch]

that would be sick

[limber hull]

i still think ptera should dive

[bleak kestrel]

It should be faster in water

[bleak kestrel]

Why we need tenonto to be semi aqua

[limber hull]

honestly if i were to vote for any one animal to make it in, it'd be tupa

[woeful latch]

because it suits it. also we got austro, bary, spino, sucho, deino as semiaquatic carnivores but we got literally 0 semiaquatic herbivores. especially something small-mid size

we got omnivores tho, minmi and beipi, both are tiny.

and we got chairus which is an apex

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-star-wars-emperor-do-it-go-for-it-gif-17446081

[urban flax]

Minmi be herbivore

[bleak kestrel]

Leave that niche to cory

[woeful latch]

i don’t think adding tons of carnivore semiaquaitcs to the game without adding any herbivores is a good idea

[bleak kestrel]

I mean they could just add lurdusaurus

[limber hull]

to be fair they do have fish as their bottom line. Many aquatic ecosystems do have less herbivores because fish is such a readily availible and nutritious food source

[urban flax]

Or make teno semiaquatic and avoid roster bloat

[bleak kestrel]

Eh at most i could see it eating vegies near rivers and etc but being semi aquatic

[urban flax]

Teno cannot be semiaquatic because...?

[bleak kestrel]

They could add turtle

[bleak kestrel]

I mean its feels like it already got enough

[normal shuttle]

It’s good bro

An interesting twist that would allow for a completely unique apex

[urban flax]

God forbid herbivores are given something cool and interesting

[bleak kestrel]

So tenonto isnt cool and interesting?

[woeful latch]

it’s more of a mid tier and i don’t see any issues with making them both semi-aquatic

[urban flax]

It's okay
It's decent at combat and it's fast
That's pretty much it

[bleak kestrel]

Its like one of best herbis

[woeful latch]

that’s true, but in game i would prefer ecosystem with herbivores too, not just carnivores hunting each other

[bleak kestrel]

I think adding turtle would be cool

[woeful latch]

playable turtle?

[bleak kestrel]

Yes

Carbonemys

1 ton at minimum

Being good swimmer but slow on land

Has abillity that would make it immune to attacks basicaly hiding in a shell

[junior nymph]

@outer patrol thats coming in the UI update

[woeful latch]

well i don’t mind that when roster is finished, but making a brand new playable just to fill the gap is ehh

[limber hull]

I'mma be honest, wouldn't minmi fulfil such a niche?

Hardened, armoured herbivore with an aquatic niche

[woeful latch]

that’s also rather boring, a prey animal that can only hide in a shell. and nothing really stops from just camping it

[limber hull]

Yea, I'd say minmi is just a more engaging version of that idea

[woeful latch]

also cute

and the fact that it’s way down the line says a lot😳

[limber hull]

god i wish minmi was sooner. one of my most anticipated animals

but then again i am insanely biased towards smaller creatures so

[woeful latch]

fair lol

also valid

[limber hull]

and yet at the same time here i am advocating for stegosaurus buffs

[outer patrol]

oh good haha

[woeful latch]

i’d say we wait and see how strong rex is

[normal shuttle]

Magy coming before cama is tragic

[limber hull]

fair. they adjusted trike around stego. clearly they're aware of the possibilities

[limber hull]

it isnt, and that's tragic

god i love magy

[woeful latch]

it’s absolutely not, magy should come before cama and i feel like it’s going to be one of the most unique playables

[woeful latch]

yeah..

[limber hull]

like they could've easily left trike as something that can easily trot down and kill a stego

[balmy gazelle]

I completely forgot about that

[normal shuttle]

OH

I messed up the wording

I meant the other way around lol

I want Magy BEFORE cama

[limber hull]

Oh based

[normal shuttle]

I need more fun little omnivores and herbivores

I do like some apexes but most of my appreciation is towards the smaller end of the roster

[woeful latch]

now that makes sense lmao

[normal shuttle]

Troodon is fine, beipi is my beloved, galli is goated, pachy is funny, dryo is the ultimate juvenile killer…

Better than most of the mid big stuff

Or Omni ofc

Anything is better than omni or deino

[woeful latch]

small dinos are always the most unique and interesting ones

[normal shuttle]

Also, didn’t have enough space to put it in one post and I just read this but yeah obv all of this ain’t mine. I’m just trying to support what I actually think is a cool concept

If I have had enough space I would have given credit

[ancient kestrel]

Well we don't know if there is more planned since it was said that dino roster will be about 64 but we know only about 58-59 of them (if count all dubious ones too)

[woeful latch]

you think when roster is finished they will suddenly just stop adding more dinos?

[ancient kestrel]

Why it's bad?

[ancient kestrel]

I am just saying that there might be more prehistoric creatures planned than that we are aware of in context of The Isle

Also modding will be a thing so I don't think that devs will expand over 64 maximum

[normal shuttle]

Because no commitment

[urban flax]

Because no way to fight back

[ancient kestrel]

There will be. Dondi said there will be ways for more upwards attacks

[urban flax]

We know pretty much everything that's set for the definitive roster
The 64 include unsure ones like titanoboa, styraco and plateo
No pterosaur other than quetz and ptera was ever mentioned

[normal shuttle]

^

You can’t have a playable designed to fight while flying in a game where most things cannot even jump let alone pounce because then the matchup is completely reliant on the flyer’s skill

[urban flax]

Still, pterosaurs have the luxury of engagement against everything else
Which means they cannot be at advantage in a fight against anything
And nothing can really escape from them

[ancient kestrel]

I specifically counted all possible ones. Spoiler: there less than 64 we are know of

[normal shuttle]

So…Quetz should be pinned by omni?

Honestly I would find that fair if quetz could somehow retaliate and not die in a single pin

[ancient kestrel]

Thats a bad argument. In BOB it works fine

And they have upwards attacks which is why that not a big issue

[woeful latch]

the isle..

[urban flax]

BOB works nothing like The Isle, also from the videos I've seen of it, I wouldn't say it "works fine"

[woeful latch]

comparison is crazy

[urban flax]

maybe

[normal shuttle]

I wouldn’t call 5 tropeos jumping a meg balanced or that it works fine

Nothing the Meg/Wiehen can do

Also BoB isn’t meant to be balanced at all. Never was

[ancient kestrel]

Again, there will be upward attacks for everything. And Dondi specifically said that it is designed to deal with flier so stop being salty

[normal shuttle]

Since you know, gauntlet/infinite growth and combat perks that actually make a huge difference

[woeful latch]

beasts of balance

[normal shuttle]

I am not salty

I am explaining what issues a good airborne fighter would have

[ancient kestrel]

I would say generally logic the same. And BOB flyers are even stornger than ptera in the Isle considering better flight mechanic over all

[normal shuttle]

Considering it can dive at the speed of sound and deal 300 damage with one peck

[urban flax]

I mean
In bob you got mosas leaping over entire islands
Pterosaurs carrying sauropods into the sky
Some dinos jumping above mountains
Logic is really not the same, also not what I consider balanced

[ancient kestrel]

Ofc if you are outnumbered you in disadvantage. Bad argument

[latent olive]

well, we've gotten some talks of a potential aquatics DLC after the game is "finished"

so i imagine that as long as the game is successful, and theres uniqueness you can give to each individual creature, you can just keep going

[normal shuttle]

Okay, a smaller meg to even the stats

If they are approximately the same in terms of health and damage, the meg is still at a huge disadvantage since it is forced to fight against an enemy that plays in three dimensions

[latent olive]

i dont think adding 6 more mega theropods like maip and tarbosaurus and whatever will be easy to make them all unique

[normal shuttle]

Bajadasaurus…

[woeful latch]

DLC…. well i don’t mind if its witcher III type of dlc with huge amount of content, but not if its like paradox games..

if you know what i mean

[ancient kestrel]

Both game have flyers in both games flyers can attack ground dwellers. It is same in that specific way what I am trying to say.

[latent olive]

kissen and punch have said that IF they do it, itll be with its own full map because aquatic species wont be able to interact with land species

but its so far down the line, even megalania has a higher priority than it

[woeful latch]

oh i see, it’s going to be fully aquatic

[latent olive]

POSSIBLY.

[woeful latch]

🫣

[latent olive]

IF they do the DLC to begin with

[normal shuttle]

You’re not wrong, even though ptera struggles with some fresh spawns and on the other hand Bob ptera can one shot pachies in the right conditions-

[ancient kestrel]

And meg can break tropeo in few bites while trop needs much more to take down meg

[urban flax]

Rather than compare with a game than functions entirely different, I'd rather compare with something that actually happened in The Isle, back when ptera did 50 damage with one peck

[normal shuttle]

Doesn’t trop have a knockback attack that also fractures?

[normal shuttle]

Those days…

[ancient kestrel]

Wow. Scary whopping 50 damage

[latent olive]

i loved hunting juvenile, and sometimes even sub adult, deinos at the gator pond in spiro

[ancient kestrel]

Can't believe they made it even more pathetic

[latent olive]

cant dodge me because i can manouevre like a goddamn fighter pilot and cant hide from me because i can just peck really far into the shallow water

[normal shuttle]

That currently would be laughably destructive

[urban flax]

You don't realize

[normal shuttle]

50 damage for one flying peck is insane

[urban flax]

I did make adult deinos cower in fear

[normal shuttle]

ALSO THE BLEED. IT DEALT BLEED

[latent olive]

i remember the days of "PLEASE LET CARNOTAURUS STAND UP AND BITE PTERAS" being constantly suggested

[urban flax]

Oh yeah that

[urban flax]

Stegos getting bled to death by pteras

[woeful latch]

lmao

deserved?

👹👹👹

[latent olive]

i didnt experience that, but i did experience threading the needle by wounding a sub adult deino to the point where it wedged itself between a rock and tree, i was SO close to killing it before i accidentally turned the wrong way and hit the tree

[ancient kestrel]

Again all dinos will have in future more ways to attack vertically similar to how stegos powerswing works

[latent olive]

i threaded the needle but knitted a ball of yarn

[urban flax]

stego has ALWAYS been OP

[urban flax]

And there's still the issue of nothing being able to escape a flyer
So they must be made very weak so everything can fight back against them

[ancient kestrel]

I mean it can't kill you fast anyway. You can just find cover considering that 90% of the map - hecking dence jungle forests

[urban flax]

Once again, having a flyer designed around attacking ground prey while staying in the air is a recipe for disaster

[urban flax]

Ptera, which isn't as manoeuvrable as before, can still travel fine through jungles
Hitting a tree is a skill issue

[ancient kestrel]

50 damage is small anyway. It's not even pathetic omnis bite

[limber hull]

"pathetic omni bite" is wild

[urban flax]

It's not small for something the size of a pterosaur

[ancient kestrel]

It will take ages to kill someone big with such damage considering healing and stufff

[urban flax]

No pterosaur should ever consider hunting something big

[ancient kestrel]

Well that what I said. 50 damage is nothing

[normal shuttle]

Sorry for the 🤓 moment but

Rather than op, I would call it “relatively overtuned”. I have no doubt that if spiro stego had existed at the same time as Rex it would have gotten absolutely rolled. Hell, even acro or alberto.

It’s just that it got hard carried by its numbers when everyone else is tiny compared to it

[woeful latch]

50 is too much for the ptera lol

[ancient kestrel]

But yet someone thinks that a lot

[woeful latch]

it is lol

[normal shuttle]

50 damage can kill a full grown galli in 9 pecks

Only accounting for body shots

[urban flax]

I mean
Stego used to lose to a dryo
Idk in what way that is overtuned

[normal shuttle]

And can one shot quite a lot of juveniles

[woeful latch]

ptera killing own kind with one bite is crazy

[normal shuttle]

Stat wise.

It was by a long margin the highest damage and highest health land creature

But yeah I’ve seen spiro stegos get owned by even troodons

[barren crater]

50n ptera... actually cancer

[woeful latch]

20 is more than enough for it, 50 is legit crazy

[normal shuttle]

Agreed

[normal shuttle]

More damage than a herra

[barren crater]

most of the roster wouldn't exist with that bite lol

Ptera has a decent time with dilo rn

[limber hull]

50 is a lot wtf are you on about

that is a ptera able to oneshot itself lmao

[normal shuttle]

Bro only plays cera and dibble with +100 damage in their bite

[barren crater]

50 as a value isn't all that crazy. BUT it's coming from a creature that can attack you from the sky with 0 ways to defend yourself

[ancient kestrel]

What. I don't even play dibble nor as much I play cera

[normal shuttle]

And also a 45kg creature

[barren crater]

There are really good pteras rn being held back by the damage and turn rates

😭

[barren crater]

True

[normal shuttle]

It was a lil satire

But in all honesty that was so out of touch. 50 damage on a basic attack for a 45kg pterosaur is insanely broken

[woeful latch]

that’s what cera players say, got caught red-handed

[barren crater]

Update 5 ptera was a monster man. 20n but nothing could escape you if you were dedicated

[normal shuttle]

Killing herras in 4 pecks

[barren crater]

I remember bullying a carno trio with a friend. Killed 1 and 2 of them were forced to log 😭

[ancient kestrel]

Lmao no. pretty sure that I played cera even less than carno on Gateway

[barren crater]

Nothing they could have done. Ptera deserves nothing combat related

[normal shuttle]

Also that eagle ptera suggestion…

[woeful latch]

it will be 65 with damage mutations which is even funnier since it’s omni bite force

[normal shuttle]

Bruh!!!!! Stop stop stop stop stop

Ptera is NOT an eagle 😭

Ptera snatching fish like an eagle would be so cursed

[ancient kestrel]

Have you seen size of its beak before thinking that 50 damage sounds extreme for it?

[normal shuttle]

Infinitely more than quad carch

[ancient kestrel]

That stupid tho. I agree

[normal shuttle]

Considering that beak allows your body to stay mostly out of reach while flying yeah. It’s pretty long

Oh and if you mean it makes sense they it should deal that damage: I do not care

[barren crater]

The damage is absurd for how unfair it is to combat a ptera. Even current ptera is cheesy and bs

[limber hull]

yes, its absolutely extreme for it

[woeful latch]

lmao no. ptera is not getting 50 damage

[ancient kestrel]

Very cheesy stamina regen. Funny

[woeful latch]

mhhhm cheesy

[barren crater]

@desert arch

[normal shuttle]

Canni ptera fights are hilarious. It’s just flying around in circles until someone gets a peck and rinse and repeat until whoever gets hit 3-4 times dies

[woeful latch]

NOOO DONT DO IT WHY WHY WOULD YOU DOT AHTAA

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[woeful latch]

NOOOOOOO

JESUSHC SCHRIST WHYYY

[desert arch]

Mmm cheesy

[normal shuttle]

Like seriously, neither us nor the devs care about what makes sense

Game design and balance comes first and a ptera 4 shotting herras would be nothing short of absurd

[barren crater]

I hope they manage to add in the ability to attack upwards. Ptera has had it too easy man. Annoying sky rat

[barren crater]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-gif-12732720091837856159

[ancient kestrel]

Eh whatever

[normal shuttle]

How was that not sniped 😭

Love it

[limber hull]

50N ptera canni fights would be even funnier

tap dead

[barren crater]

can you imagine the damage scaling. tiny ptera one shotting you to the head as a fg

[limber hull]

i pray every day that one day people will differentiate "carnivore" and "big scary hunter raaaagh"

not every carnivore hunts

see: the humble vulture, which just waits for man, beast or God to do away with whatever it doesn't want to exist

[barren crater]

ERM THEY DO!! Ptera hunts fish!!

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah. Like bary or sucho who would be more of a foragers

[normal shuttle]

Literal fighting jet game but melee and you have to grow for over an hour to get where you originally were

So fun and well designed

[limber hull]

when making a head on collision, ptera will now instantly explode in a blaze of glory, sending both pteras back to the respawn screen

[ancient kestrel]

Btw ptera growing 1 hour is ridicolous for creature of 40 kg mass lol

[normal shuttle]

I agree

Ptera should be like 40 minutes or so on 100% diet

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah devs some times weird about growth times for small guys like Troo growing longer than Dryo

Meanwhile Hypsi which can speedrun growth in less than 10 minutes

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message Bro doesn’t know what a restart is for lol

[barren crater]

this I can agree on

I think it should be shorter. I get the other side of the argument since it's technically safe while flying but eh

Also it's a bit longer than an hour iirc?

[ancient kestrel]

I am not exactly sure

[normal shuttle]

If only protein was easier to get as ptera…

Lipids and carbs are super easy

[ancient kestrel]

Frogs

[normal shuttle]

But protein just sucks in some areas since you depend on frogs

And then as player prey items you have troodon (unless it’s a fresh spawn that is somehow static that is a terrible idea) and hypsi ( 1/500 players)

[ancient kestrel]

Don't it have rabbits and chickens in diet too?