general-feedback-discussion

[bleak kestrel]

Bary could just drag omni underwater

[dawn hound]

replace the dilo with omni

[candid fiber]

Yeah I am aware of that, but I feel it did not quite address all the issues.
It worked decently well while you were growing, but even then it did not completely remove the potential to sit in a corner and graze until you got big.
And for big adults it frankly did too little - you could still form a giant herd and simply "outnumber" the ill effects especially as any attacker could not really see which herd member was on good diet and which was on poor diet.

Basically malnutrition was a nuisance and a good incentive to go for nutrients, but didn't really increase mortality enough, especially on the bigger herbivores.
Meanwhile draining hunger poses a threat of death especially for big adults where malnutrition failed to deliver.
On the other side you also have an easier to to pull yourself out of the grave, because by draining hunger and not debuffing you have an easier time getting those nutrients.

TL;DR: It is meant to bring back herbivore starvation and not favour big adults over small juveniles as much.

[bleak kestrel]

Every baby dino is that dilo

[dawn hound]

lol

i love eating baby dinosaurs as herrera

mainly omnis and ceras

invasive rats they are

[candid fiber]

Also draining hunger is a relatively simple change and doesn't come with all the weird naughtyword that comes with diet buffs and debuffs.

[bleak kestrel]

Yesterday i fought the army of baby dibbles as 50% omni in duo

[ancient kestrel]

I am pretty sure that becoming the elder will heavily depend on how well you sustained nutrients.

[harsh sun]

#general-feedback message amazing suggestion. 10/10

[candid fiber]

For example there was a time where malnutrition actually buffed your stamina.

[ancient kestrel]

I doubt

[candid fiber]

Yeah, but that's the other end of the spectrum - reward for doing really well.
But it doesn't help in the case when someone is doing exceptionally poorly.

[ancient kestrel]

Fg pachy can't be pinned tho. And also raptors are basically one of the few things which pachy strong against

[dawn hound]

then why can a juvenile with tail spikes more round than a potato and hit force slower than a turd two hit a herrera in the body

[candid fiber]

Elder likely runs into the same issue as malnutrition where your frail doter Stego is still a huge Stego in a big group of other Stegos.

[dawn hound]

''stegosaurus has powerful thagomizers'' literally those arent even thagomizers, those are vegetables in juveniles

[ancient kestrel]

I think depleting hunger faster is horrible way to punish for lack of nutrients. Also it won't affect herbies. They will just graze more often

[candid fiber]

Hence the part where you may not be able to "outgraze" the drain.

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly damage that some baby dinos deal its insane.

[dawn hound]

baby cera, baby croc, baby stego, baby dibble.

i get herrera is fragile, but come on

[ancient kestrel]

That sounds bad, man. Think about it more

[dawn hound]

a freshspawn stego can already kill a troodon with ease

[ancient kestrel]

Overall stat debuff for malnutrition is better way

[bleak kestrel]

I mean thats a crocodile aint no joke his biteforce is still strong and all same with cera.

But dibble with stego with these round spike / horns?

[candid fiber]

I was also thinking about lack of nutrients itself causing starvation, but that runs into a bunch of issues:

• if your stomach is full of junk food you may find yourself blocked from getting enough nutrients
• you basically get punished for having a balanced diet over stacking one nutrient

[dawn hound]

yea but baby crocodile and baby cera... their bite force is way too strong

[normal shuttle]

I despise dilos with all of my being too, but at least their mains don’t have a brutal victim complex like omni players

[bleak kestrel]

Like crocs when they are baby can hunt fine

[normal shuttle]

Who say their dinosaur is unplayable even though it can solo sub carnos like they’re nothing

[ancient kestrel]

How it even can be an evidence that stego is personal favorite of Don, lmao. You funny

[bleak kestrel]

Cera maybe but crocdile are able to hunt after they just hatched in real life

[dawn hound]

Maybe because about two years ago or so stego was getting massive buffs and carno was getting massive debuffs?

[bleak kestrel]

And like surivival as a croc its a bit harsh

[dawn hound]

Im not saying they should be incapable of hunting, im saying they shouldnt deal so much damage. Hunt fish, and rabbits? Fine. But be able to quite literally kill a fully grown herrera in 3-5 shots? No.

[ancient kestrel]

And? Average balancing stuff. Also they buffed carno on HT

[dawn hound]

You werent there.. have you been?

[bleak kestrel]

I mean if they are smillar wieght sure but yeah maybe ur a bit right here but i still dont agree if we talking about crocodile

[ancient kestrel]

I played Evrima a lot both in Spiro days and recently returned to Gateeway

[candid fiber]

The point is: A stat debuff doesn't do enough, especially for the big animals that should actually be controlled by food supply.
It punishes small to mid sized animals that are not part of a large group while afk-growers, large herbivores and massive herds are mostly unaffected.

[ancient kestrel]

I love playing dilo. Hate me.

[dawn hound]

Only because a juvenile weighs as much as a fully grown something doesnt mean it should be as strong. Sure, same hp. But damage? Fully developed animals should have bigger bite force rather than something that just immidiatelly appeared.

[candid fiber]

Now you could include "no longer grows" and "can no longer graze" in those debuffs to make them a bit more potent, but that still doesn't affect big animals at full size with their long hunger times a lot.

[ancient kestrel]

Troo is 60 kg rat. Makes absolute sense

[bleak kestrel]

Herra is glass cannon so it kinda makes sense for me it deals insane damage from trees and its build like a toothpick

[candid fiber]

No, it does not. Why is Stego so big on spawn?

[dawn hound]

A baby stego has a slower tail swing than a sloth. And its ''spikes'' if you could even call it that are more rounder than a turd

[candid fiber]

Club tail it is. Still hurts.

[dawn hound]

Imagine you got hit by something in real life like a freshspawn stego. Sure, knocks you out. But penetrates you? heuh

[ancient kestrel]

Debuff is really enough of punishing tool. Cause weaker animal easier to hunt. It even noticeble in current system when there is no more debuffs but still there are healthy bonuses from perfect diet.

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah type of damage is a problem ngl

[candid fiber]

You would probably die. Freshspawn Stego is ridiculously big.

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah around 200-300kg

[ancient kestrel]

Because why the hell it shouldn't be big. It's still easy meal for most hunters until it gets to 50%

[candid fiber]

Because that both gives it an unfair edge over smaller animals and adds a lot more instant food for bigger carnivores who can just roll over it.

[ancient kestrel]

What type of skill issue people got that even a baby stego is a problem for them. Enough of internet for today

[candid fiber]

Apparently they read some of it. Also ideas sometimes get diffused into the wider community and reach them that way.

[normal shuttle]

What a meta slave and no skill crutcher lol

[ancient kestrel]

You not thinking on bigger scale of things. Baby stego is slow and vulnerable for anything that isn't tiny.

[normal shuttle]

#isle-discussion message

So bad you guys 😭 😭 omniraptor is the absolute worst carnivore rn

[normal shuttle]

Needs urgent buffs

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-27579572

[candid fiber]

Yeah, you basically get a lot of free power for no good reason while also adding a lot of free food for bigger animals. Which is a really awful combination.

Just imagine AI spawns would favour big animals that much. For example by airdropping in boar that can easily murder smalls why providing an easy free meal for bigger animals. Wouldn't that suck? Oh wait...

[indigo gulch]

I literally had a session yesterday where we killed 4 fg dilos, a 3 ton deino (on land with 0 stam, dummy) 4 carnos and 4 maia’s 🤣 only thing we couldn’t kill was 2 camping cera’s with gastro cuse you know, gastro. Granted, there was good communication, but still

[ancient kestrel]

Eh. Being slow and clunky ain't good reason for being able to defend yourself? Are you on crack? I don't play stego but I never had issues with them. Heck, it's an animal which I have the least issues with in Evrima

It's also apex. So yeah

[candid fiber]

So because it is an apex and gets really strong later it also deserves to start out way stronger? What kind of balance is that?

[ancient kestrel]

Baby stego is literally easy meal. You can't say that it's not

[candid fiber]

So... can it defend itself or is it a free meal? Which one?

[ancient kestrel]

Being easy doesn't mean defensless

[desert arch]

Should I post clip

[indigo gulch]

Naaaaah

It was too evil🤣

[desert arch]

Yeah I wasnt gonna anyway

File size too big :/

[indigo gulch]

Lmao

[candid fiber]

Honestly same discussion than before - Stego spawning in that big both punishes and rewards exactly the wrong kind of playables.

[ancient kestrel]

If you have problems with taking out baby stego on anything except juvie troo or omni - you bad at this game

[candid fiber]

Smalls, that could never hope to do anything against a Stego later, have a harder time than they should.
And big animals, that can already hunt a lot more, just get another free meal on top of it.

[ancient kestrel]

I wasn't saying that it needs any additional buffs either BTW. It perfect as is. Only issue is that ecosystem incomplete so it don't have natural predators as adult... yet

[normal shuttle]

Also this one rn without pouncing because he was camping a tree until he gave up (L)

B-but Omni can’t do anything if they use terrain, so unfair and terrible pls buff Dondi pls!!!

[ancient kestrel]

Do you watch Nickboa?

[normal shuttle]

I laugh at him

[candid fiber]

I mean this whole discussion is mainly about the phase between spawning and being "leave sanctuary" size. It doesn't really affect adults that much, aside from making Stego a bit longer to grow if it starts smaller.

[normal shuttle]

Only thing I agree with in regards to Omni is debugging because sometimes pounce doesn’t work or you get stuck and die

But that’s it. Debugging

Not buffing

[ancient kestrel]

What about his video regarding odd hitboxes on certain playbles?

[bleak kestrel]

Remeber one time when omnis were attacking me at least 2 of them

One started to attack me and one unlucky move and i got a kick on him and like 2 blows

[ancient kestrel]

If I like dilo it doesn't mean that I don't want it to be adjusted in terms of how venom works tho

[bleak kestrel]

And i decided to let him live and not chase after him

I was a teno

I wanted something to kill me

But even when i found adult carno it was do bad that i got like 10+ blows while he got 2 or 3 and he ran away

[normal shuttle]

Maybe that one too. Everything about bugs and jank should be fixed

I just don’t think many balance changes should be applied and his community is kinda like zenny just posting his vids as if they were the Bible

[normal shuttle]

Imma be real with you

I want dilo to be fixed. I was super hyped for this one because I mained dilo in legacy

I like it but at the same time hate it gameplay wise rn

[bleak kestrel]

How you want dilo to work?

[ancient kestrel]

I still think that ceras are more broken despite that I love cera even more (I was a rare cera main in Legacy). But cera dominance days will be over with Rex coming - apex predator will balance it out

[bleak kestrel]

Because it should be a scavanger

Not a apex predator

Also cera wont be bad it will just not be strongest

And it shouldnt be strongest even now

[ancient kestrel]

Eh. For me cera was always and always be an agile hunter as in Legacy. Agilty really a secret weapon of this creature

Also aqua cera build is goated

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah i dont have a problem with it being agile it should be honestly to fight of or avoid like 1.8kg carno

[ancient kestrel]

Carno ain't 1.8

[bleak kestrel]

Ik but it should be

[ancient kestrel]

Save 1.8 carno for elder ones

HT carno is perfect

[bleak kestrel]

Why?

[normal shuttle]

Certainly encouraging interaction instead of having clones doing damage

[normal shuttle]

It’s only an apex because there’s no one else. For the most part cera does what it should do just fine and it is only a matter of time and minor tweaks that it improves

[bleak kestrel]

Maybe you can summon hallucnations to works as bait and dino will have to guess wnich one is real

[ancient kestrel]

Buffed stam, growth rate, bleed resistance. It never was so back as right now

[normal shuttle]

And yeah HT carno is good and shouldn’t be touched

[bleak kestrel]

Well im still kinda dispointed that only think that will be able to fights tenontos in fair 1v1 is like teen rex at 1-2 tons

[ancient kestrel]

Personally I am for clones being distraction and venom itself just making creature weak instead of direct damage

[bleak kestrel]

I still think carno should be heavier

[ancient kestrel]

It shouldn't. 1.8 isn't needed for it's role. Small game hunter shouldn't be good at big game unless you compensating it by pure skill

[normal shuttle]

It doesn’t need to

It is fine for hunting down everything dilo sized or below

Carno doesn’t need 500 extra health for anything but to fight cera and 1800kg Carno rolled cera

Which is something that shouldn’t happen balance wise because it has far more freedom to disengage if it gets outplayed

[ancient kestrel]

Carno is cool and sounds like giant angry toad when 1-calling

[indigo gulch]

Just fix the clipping and we gucchi

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly i really wonder why did they make it 1800kg in frist place

Anyway

What do you guys think about fully aquatic playables

I think it would be cool to have mosa

[ancient kestrel]

Full aquatics probably will never happen since hard to make them interact with terrestrial ecosystem

[normal shuttle]

Cuz stego ig

[desert arch]

#general-feedback message insane feedback, its gonna save the game fr

[bleak kestrel]

I think if they made more rivers and etc it would be nice and also if they would all semi aquatic

Imagine 10 ton mosa jumping out of the water to catch a rex and drag it to the depths

Basicaly like orcas bit more extreme tho.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message constructive criticism

[indigo gulch]

Bruh you think they know what that is?🤣

[woeful latch]

no lol

tho saying “pin mechanic is cool” is very brave, i respect that lmao

[thick summit]

Every playable should be able to fight back just like beipi

If the omni ambushes you and pins you from behind it gets the free kill

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message can we all agree?

[thick summit]

If it tries to pin you head-on you should be able to fight back

And if you have a friend the omni dies

[ancient kestrel]

Yes lol

[woeful latch]

good, as it should be, it’s the pin itself shouldn’t be just right click, it would make sense if omni needed to do literal ambush to pin something, not just insta do it when it wants

being able to escape the pin doesn’t make any sense and is not going to happen

[thick summit]

That'd be stupid

Also...upsize Carno (visually)

I hate that cera looks larger than carno

It hurts me both mentally and physically

[ancient kestrel]

Are you proposing pounce being available only when on ctrl? That's dumb

[woeful latch]

no?

who said that to you?

[thick summit]

Ambush = a surprise attack

And we are talking about the pinning mechanic

Pinned targets should be able to fight back if the omni pounces them head-on

If the omni pins them from behind, they should not be able to fight back

Just like beipi

[ancient kestrel]

Pretty sure that pin/pounce are prevented by any damage taken mid jump

[thick summit]

I think you don't get our point

[ancient kestrel]

But I doubt that making pin available depending on direction is possible to do. Rather better to make people being able to escape

[thick summit]

That's terrible

[ancient kestrel]

Why?

[thick summit]

Beipi is a great example how it should be. Reward them for ambushing.

[ancient kestrel]

You got pinned and just do similar thing with bucking

[thick summit]

That'd make pin useless

[ancient kestrel]

I have no idea how beipi deals with that

Explain

[thick summit]

Beipi fights back when pinned

If you pounce it head-on

If you pounce it from behind it won't fight back

[ancient kestrel]

Ah. That. But troo and other raptors do it too

[thick summit]

They will always fight back

And if you've a second beipi, the omni dies

Because of the pinned beipi's damage

[urban flax]

Was the case for like 1 update
Or hordetest

[woven bane]

he might just be onto something here.

[ancient kestrel]

Hmmm

[agile flame]

BTW, where do we find the HT patch notes? I am relatively new to the HT thing

[urban flax]

in the #announcements channel

[agile flame]

Ah. So I am blind.

Thanks for confirming.

[urban flax]

you're welcome

[agile flame]

That was the first place I looked, probably didn't help that I was sick XD

[vernal jacinth]

@drowsy imp ptera already can pick up babies and carry them off but they have to be hatchlings and not juvies

[drowsy imp]

yeah i was thinking that probably a bigger flyer who can pick up and drop dinos to their death

[drowsy imp]

i didnt know that about ptera though so ty you learn something new every day

[gritty heart]

quetza!

[drowsy imp]

YES quetz is my fav dino ik its probably years until we maybe get it if they decide too but really any bigger flyer who is above 200 could have this as their ability

[hidden pilot]

just kill it and fly off, why drop it?

[hidden pilot]

also quetz is said to be sooner than we might expect

[drowsy imp]

in the time line they have given us i didn't see quetz so its def not coming for a year maybe 2 minimum.

also i am saying that a flyer could pick up a dino so it cant run and then drop it to its death as if u just peck at it they could just run into a forest, picking them up confirms their death and the flyer being fed.

[agile flame]

the only thing herb nv is good for, is highlighting the plant you're hiding in to make sure you're covered

It's easier to see at night without NV

They need quetz, so we're all terrified of the sky

Rex, so we're terrified of the land

We have deino who terrorizes the water, and dilo, who terrifies the mind in the night.

The four dinomen of fear

[hidden pilot]

you also don't see gen1 in the roadmap but they're probably a year or so away. Also the roadmap is very outdated

also also, if you can pick something up with your beak you can probably 1 or 2 shot them

[gritty heart]

Quetzies, destroy the herras, and my life is yours

[drowsy imp]

your ruining my fun it sounds fun to drop things okay XD

[hidden pilot]

mods

[drowsy imp]

XD

[misty maple]

Pls devs i beg you to work on the nv for some dinosaurs again right now (hordetest) i played deino and trike and the nv is so ridiculous. and even at day time the game is too dark with its shadows ... that you cant counter with nv since nv makes your vision even worse.

im blind like 70% of the time its so hard to enjoy the game if you literally cant see

(posting it here since im on cooldown in general feedback for another 4 hours)

[heady geode]

With how unforgiving fall damage is, being a herra hunting quetz is certain to be a high death rate, clip a small unbreakable branch and fall to death

[wooden agate]

youre not going to see this reply because iirc im blocked but its bugged in HT right now, its making the game darker instead of lighter. you can test this during the day ^^

[heavy elbow]

help im stuck at fruit tree im playing diablo 😦

[woeful latch]

do /unstuck

[heavy elbow]

thanks

[gritty heart]

warthunder.exe

[heady geode]

You Have a herra in your right wing!

[topaz wave]

@wintry cipher that makes me scared too 😂

[pliant elm]

#general-feedback message @vapid basalt I agree with going back to the old east plains. East plains is currently without any players other than the deinos who are unlucky enough to spawn there.
And not to mention that the Map doesn't need another swamp

[wooden agate]

its not even a swamp

[vapid basalt]

It's not a swamp, it's worse than a swamp, there's no one there, unlike the old one that spread both herbivorous and carnivorous players across the map even with few players.

[wooden agate]

the old one was where you went if you either wanted to die a horrific pachy death or break your legs via falling off the ugly and hilly terrain

i will take the big lake and cave over a small pond with ugly terrain any day

[limber hull]

You'd delete the new beautiful falls biome for the old garbage plains lol

Also the new "lake" is infinitely better than what the plains were. Absolutely, east plains was the most dull and ugly biome on Gateway

[wooden agate]

imagine bary at the new falls

[vapid basalt]

We were not referring to the new waterfalls and falls, this is part of the North River, the old East Plains does not belong to the new waterfalls and falls, and by the way they are very beautiful and cool, just my opinion, I respect yours.

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message I sincerely hope this is just spawning in 1 patrol zone and not every time you enter a new area

#general-feedback message @placid anchor wouldn’t this kind of kill mutations? Why would you pick a mutation if all it does is add a negative effect? Or do you mean just combat mutations?

[wooden agate]

they never said it should just give negatives, their idea would be a compromise

you want extra damage? now you have worse stam, etc

you get buffed in one area and nerfed in another

[indigo gulch]

So…that’s a negative effect

What’s stopping you from not picking anything

[limber hull]

makes it even harder to balance too lol

[indigo gulch]

Yeah that too

[wooden agate]

i agree but still, thats not only adding a negative effect lol

[indigo gulch]

Fine my phrasing could have been better but that’s not what I mean

[wooden agate]

i can not read minds, i assume people mean what they type

[indigo gulch]

You’re gonna feel the negative a lot more than the positive in most cases

And getting a negative effect just…kinds makes me not want to pick anything tbh

[wooden agate]

i just want combat mutations reworked and species specific mutations added

[indigo gulch]

It’s one step forward, one step back

[indigo gulch]

I know what to put in your #

#fGastro 😛

[wooden agate]

TRUE

actually better idea

thats better

[gritty heart]

give spinosaurus the ability to photosynthesize

[indigo gulch]

True that IS better

I came across someone who said they never saw the issues with gastro and said that small % didn’t matter

And I genuinely went: I’m sorry do you play the same game I do?

[gritty heart]

on troodon it doesn't matter

[indigo gulch]

Oh right, wavepoole, you hate deino getting an easy time, would putting schooling fish on juvi deino diet only be too much? Since they can’t hunt elite fish until like 120kg?

Otherwise they’ll get 0 diet ai options till next stage

[indigo gulch]

I mean it does if you have congenital I guess😅

[gritty heart]

I mean tbh I think schooling should be on baby deino diets since they are small enough that schooling fish can be of substancial size

[indigo gulch]

I thought of it since they can put mushrooms on juvi’s only, so why not this ya know

And 0 diet options is really harsh.

You can rot them, but come on, why should that be necessary

And that’s a cheese tactic you just need to happen to know

[pliant elm]

Falls biome in the East plains? The new biome is in the Delta River, I referred to the East Plains. Do you know where the East plains is on the map?

[ivory wren]

That’s me, I don’t think it’s crazy op

[indigo gulch]

It…it literally allows dinos like cera to perma heal

You almost always need more than 1 dino to hunt cera because of its combat strength and if 1 dino dies, it does not matter how much damage you did, it’s back to full because it can overeat

Also, an omni in a pack can take a hit, eat an ai, heal back to full and continue

It’s definitely too much

[ivory wren]

It’s nice to help with resetting but I’ve yet to see it be abused during a fight

[wooden agate]

with how the code works, its possible that doing this would make them juvie only like sanc mushrooms

for everything

so it would probably take a little bit to design a system for that but i dont see any issues with it

let deino get diet from schooling fish until they hit the next growth stage before sub adult

[quartz hedge]

Why is the fish spawn so bad in rivers and lakes

legit everytime i get a dieno to 100 i starve to death from lack of food or i jump in check for players and jump out

elite fish give 3 percent food

[ivory wren]

This is its best scenario during a fight when you have numbers and can’t get attacked while eating

[limber hull]

i still love the fact that gastro is the first mechanic to actively encourage herbivores to bodyguard

[junior nymph]

@past crystal you could even make it so your hunger drains faster when you pick the mutation

[past crystal]

nahhh absolutely not, thats what gastroliths are for

most people would LOVE more hunger drain, as it means you can fill your diets - which are honestly a mutation all on their own - faster

[junior nymph]

true

[agile flame]

Where exactly are these new falls?

North plains?

[proven fossil]

@mint sonnet nv changes demending on the environment. i havent had any issues with night vision and it also depends on what dinosaur you play as the bigger herbivores are made to have horendous night vision. its just part of who they are, like cows

[frank tapir]

it's bugged on the ht atm

[heavy elbow]

im stuck again at fruit tree and cant do /unstuck

so useless diablo waste my time play this spicies

[proven fossil]

not every animal is meant to have perfect night vision

[past crystal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1350745400822202419
ai generated moment

[misty maple]

yea ik i figured that out but like devs pls just fix that bs T.T

[modest dock]

What could be cool for animals that have the worst nv would be for them to be able to see a little bit clearly in a very small radius around them, and beyond that radius its all darkness, so we can still be afraid of our surroundings. Right now the worse nv doesn't allow us to see anything at all we don't even see our dino and that sucks because we can't really be afraid of what comes from the dark if we don't see anything at all.

[normal pumice]

@frank tapir bro

Do you really enjoy playing with this ping on hordetesting?

[maiden anvil]

@hushed flint may I ask why you gave my feedback a dislike? If you encourage the idea of a suicide option, I might have to ask why because I just don’t see that working

[hushed flint]

I put a cross?
I swear I ticked it

Anyway @maiden anvil why did YOU cross mine,we need og Maia sounds

[maiden anvil]

Oh… yeah in that case you clicked the wrong reaction

[maiden anvil]

That is simply because I’m open for the new sound quality in Evrima. I don’t hate the old sounds by any means, just so you know

[hushed flint]

I for the most part love the new sounds too,so this isn’t me saying legacy was better with sounds,because it wasn’t for the most part.But Maia in legacy had to much more “personality” in its old calls,the 2 calls sounded more friendly and actually different from the F call.And the 3 call sounded like an angry charging animal.I will admit that the 1 call is a nice improvement however.

[maiden anvil]

I will say this. Now that you’ve made your point clear and I can easily agree that the new F and 3 call for Evrima Maia sounds bad. I shall switch my dislike to a like

[hushed flint]

Thank you very much good sir

I need all the support I can get

[frank tapir]

100-200 ping is normal for an na server for me

[earnest perch]

@bold oasis i do agree that they should do something about cheating.

If im not mistaken they dont really have much power over easy anti cheat program.

For now you have to play with replay feature on and go back to the replay to see who the cheater is and report it to the devs with evidence.

[bold oasis]

In my opinion I think the current system they have is flawed and not the best it could be. Payed admins could work but probably not realistic with how many servers there are. I think the best way honestly is something I saw Dreepie say which was to switch to battle eye which I think could be a nice change. I also think a better system at reporting could be improved

[earnest perch]

Easy anti cheat is indeed a very flawed system

[fair geode]

Why does my game keep freezing at the blue intro/loading screen?

[bold oasis]

Indeed. I heard someone say they should disable regional pricing but I feel like that’s lazy

[vapid basalt]

The new falls are at the meeting point between the delta and the river to the north, the eastern plains are on the coast below the port where there is the marshy lake that we wanted to rework or return to what it was before.

[indigo gulch]

I mean it would help with hackers buying the game again for 2 bucks

[knotty solar]

@copper cradle thats because the MZ is switching

[stark anvil]

Whenever I see Easy Anti-cheat on a game it's like the equivalent of sticking a fake home security sign in your lawn that everyone knows is fake.

[copper cradle]

i don't think so, it only happens when i first join a server and im not a fresh spawn but if i am a fresh spawn and the mz changes it doesn't do that, i always have diets

[knotty solar]

Oh idk then cause I know when mz change jow they stay gone for like 20 mins fir the whole server

[copper cradle]

Il have to play around with it more then, I'm guessing they changed that cause it used to be instant for herbis but it wouldn't show up for carnis for about 5-10 mins or so

[modest dock]

Personally i don't have any issue regarding to your suggestion, it would be better than the current options we got in the game right now, but i would say why not just adding a character selection screen ? Like it doesn't need to be like 20 characters saved per servers but i would definitely love the option to save at least 2 up to 4 different characters on a same server and be able to switch depending on my mood and what i want to play, and also adding a delete button to delete character

[maiden anvil]

Sorry but there’s one thing I don’t follow here. What do you mean with more characters in a server? You can only have one at a time or am I wrong?

I’ve never heard of the option to have more than one animal in a server. Unless you mean one of those unofficial ones where that’s possible

[copper cradle]

Sorry but having multiple saved dinos on a single server would be abused to hell, would you be OK with killing someone just for them to choose another adult that they know is close by and revenge kill you?

[maiden anvil]

^

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl all hypsi needs is climbing

Also i think it should be able to basicaly be immune to fall damage

Like this fluffly and all also very light so why not

Feathers should also make fall less extreme

[karmic yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjVcOJLvwvc&t=46s

[karmic yacht]

this makes hypsi fun

[stark anvil]

I main Hypsi But I really wish it took twice as long to grow, also acidic spit could be fun just as a base ability that would make it more played.

[karmic yacht]

why would you want a longer growth lol

who cares if the game is realistic if its not a fun this will just be a massive pain in the ass

[bleak kestrel]

Why just why?

Like buffs or something for being on the sun would be nice but this is just bad idea

[karmic yacht]

fr

[valid delta]

@sudden otter My friend, scales do not sun burn, only skin with a lack of melanin does that.
#general-feedback message

[sudden otter]

dinosaurs have melanin?

[thick summit]

It depends

[thick summit]

Omniraptor and troodon have skin but that's it

[thick summit]

Please don't use Google AI as a source

[sudden otter]

nah its fine

[thick summit]

They do overheat but it's not a sunburn

If they overheat they simply have to cool themselves down

[sudden otter]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ask-an-expert-do-animals-get-sunburned-28218217/#:~:text=“Most any animal that has exposed skin,as you might imagine%2C are particularly vulnerable.

[thick summit]

and no, Google AI is worse than google itself

[sudden otter]

it has references

trust me

[thick summit]

"Source: trust me bro"

[shadow belfry]

i used google ai for my PHD, and it worked great.

[sudden otter]

hell yeah

its 3 against one now bucko

me, google ai, and fredfrog

we'll see if they add the feature i guess,

[thick summit]

I highly doubt that 💀

imagine dying for existing

[unreal perch]

my gecko got sunburn and he is a dinosaur he told me

[shadow belfry]

you never know buddie

[sudden otter]

happens in real life, thats the point its realism

[shadow belfry]

this is everyone on the earth

[karmic yacht]

why do you think this would be fun for players

[thick summit]

Surely they'll add a mechanic to punish players for playing the game

[unreal perch]

this is the realism in the isle it is the hardcore gaming

[thick summit]

you could argue the animals on gateway are immune

[sudden otter]

the isle isnt meant to be fun, lots of sacrifices are made for realism. like stamina changes at the start, but people eventually got onboard because they understood realism is good

[sudden otter]

how come

[karmic yacht]

I HAVE AN IDEA FOR A FEATURE: every 2 seconds you must press B to breath without doing this you will die

[unreal perch]

wait that is so good

[sudden otter]

not realistic

[karmic yacht]

LOLLLLL GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN THATS THE REASON OF GAMES

[unreal perch]

i think that is really immersive

[shadow belfry]

man you really thought you did something funny here

[sudden otter]

in real life you dont think about breathing

[unreal perch]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-larry-cat-chat-larry-meme-chat-meme-cat-gif-10061556685042597078

[thick summit]

because they're genetically modified

[covert tiger]

@buoyant dove I'm surprised honestly how someone can make such a long confident post without knowing a thing about the dinosaur they are posting about.
We know absolutely nothing about its abilities, it's stats, it's exact intended niche, what the game balance state will be in a couple years when they eventually decide to release it, so it's shocking how you can draw baseless conclusions like this.

[karmic yacht]

look at the isle spino model, does that look realistic?

having to worry about getting sun burn in a dinosaur game is wild

[sudden otter]

idk i never seen one in real life

[shadow belfry]

you tell me, you obviously was alive to know back then

[thick summit]

that is a wild statement

[karmic yacht]

? google it

https://tenor.com/view/ok-and-isle-gif-21718772

[thick summit]

@normal shuttle you gotta see this

[karmic yacht]

does this look realistic to you

[lucid mauve]

Its a suggestion, dont need to be sunburn. Heat can be a problem, if there is diffrent biomes. Water drains faster etc, its a surivival game. Strange to add stuff like that to a survival game ?

[shadow belfry]

finally someone with a brain

[karmic yacht]

thats just a pain to deal with

[sudden otter]

thank you! <3

[unreal perch]

so is hunger and thirst

[karmic yacht]

massive waste of time too, they can spend their time making dinos

[shadow belfry]

exactly

[thick summit]

they're gonna add a temperature system

[unreal perch]

i think it is the realism because this is the isle the hardcore realism game

[lucid mauve]

Im not saying its good or fun, but survival aspect is sometimes good. Unless it is what you say, constantly pain agree with that

[thick summit]

but cancer in a game is wild 💀

[sudden otter]

I think most isle players appreciate realism and the hardcore aspect of it

[normal shuttle]

What is it?

[shadow belfry]

i think its an interesting thought

[sudden otter]

it really depends on what the devs think

[thick summit]

just read

[karmic yacht]

yeah if its fun

[unreal perch]

do you think it is good to add in the toenail clippers to make sure they dont get overgrown

[thick summit]

they have to add infections too

[unreal perch]

because they hurt me if i dont do the clippers too much and i think dinos would hurt too

toenail infections yes

[thick summit]

so if something bites you, you just die

[sudden otter]

like how horses have their hooves cut

[karmic yacht]

what about you have a small % chance to spawn in as a disabled dinosaur, realistic enough?

[shadow belfry]

like thisdoesnt happen anyway in the game

[sudden otter]

its a thought worth thinking about that

[normal shuttle]

[lucid mauve]

Then everyone would grow them just for laugh lol

[karmic yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-staring-meme-kurt-angle-staring-gigatnos-gif-1532715423575739716

[thick summit]

no I mean even a juvi troodon could kill you

[karmic yacht]

lol a stego with 1 leg

[shadow belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/timer-5minute-timer-gif-14679731

[unreal perch]

what qabout the utahraptor with the toenail clipprs

[covert tiger]

There are only a handful of things I wish for in life, and God's Strongest Omniraptor Hater being pinned every single time he plays The Isle, including while dreaming, is one of them.

[thick summit]

that's it

nerf troodon

[shadow belfry]

i think this is a really good idea

[unreal perch]

yes the nails too long if not cut

[normal shuttle]

I was playing Omni yesterday and I died pinned after I had been fighting a pack of omnis and skillfully pinning them when they were alone. A fitting end

[covert tiger]

Alternatively, I wish they release titanboa tomorrow so that it constricts you every day as well and you can change your name back again.

[normal shuttle]

That would make me fume

[covert tiger]

Good.

[karmic yacht]

wait ive got an idea

lets make gunshots the same volume as an actual gunshot

that way everyone wil love the realism

[sudden otter]

i havent been able to play as human yet

[normal shuttle]

Dondi spoke on that. Guns are going to be noisy

Like a dinner bell for everyone, including kos herbis

[karmic yacht]

no i mean if YOU fire it then it will be like holding a gun irl and firing it

it will deafen you

[sudden otter]

hell yeah

[karmic yacht]

adds to the realism 🙂

[thick summit]

yeah realism

[karmic yacht]

i agree with this ngl humans should beat alot of dinos in a 1v1 but after its over the human is screwed

[normal shuttle]

They won’t lol

If anything humans are going to be very underpowered

[thick summit]

headshots should be one taps unless you're playing an armoured animal

[normal shuttle]

They get brutalized by baby omnis

[urban flax]

You know what would be realistic ? Dying of infection after getting bitten once by an omni, after a few weeks

[normal shuttle]

And run like juvenile dibbles

[thick summit]

or troodons

[karmic yacht]

nah they will be insane

do you have any idea how powerful guns are let alone machine guns rocket launches

icbm

[urban flax]

Who believes humans will have rocket launchers in this game ?
Evne machine guns are far-fetched

[karmic yacht]

small tiers will be killed insantly and mid tiers will killed a little slower

[karmic yacht]

me i think they wull be very cool

[normal shuttle]

BRUH

Guns work well against animals because they’re stupid and don’t know how a gun works so they don’t take measures to avoid them. Playing as Gen2 in the isle is gonna be like you playing with a gun while everyone else is playing a melee super soldier

[urban flax]

They're stupid
Even more than snipers

[karmic yacht]

helicopters too

[normal shuttle]

It would be idiotic

[stark anvil]

it grows so fast you don't get to feel any accomplishment from reaching full grown, the hypsi sometimes grows so fast it can no longer consume mushrooms by the time it reaches sanctuary, I step out to drink as a mother hypsi and return to find my babies raising their grandchildren like my watering pond was located near the event horizon of a black hole.

[urban flax]

A rocket launcher is completely useless against dinos

[urban flax]

Unarmed ones

[karmic yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjVcOJLvwvc&t=57s
I feel lots of accomplishment from growing this hypsi

[indigo gulch]

This might be the hottest take I have seen ever. “The isle isn’t meant to be fun” I’m sorry, what

Pardon?

Every. Single. Videogame is meant to be enjoyed

[karmic yacht]

no one likes the stam changes lol

[normal shuttle]

Saying a game isn’t meant to be fun is insane

[indigo gulch]

Nuts even

[urban flax]

Rocket launchers are useful at long ranges against slow, heavily armored targets. Guess what dinos are ? Fast and dangerous at close range (where a rocket launcher becomes more dangerous to its user rather than the target)

[urban flax]

Wrong

[karmic yacht]

you can easily get to mushrooms before you get to adult i can get to them in 2 minutes

[karmic yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/lonely-gif-9950407966795970568

[normal shuttle]

Add them anyway so someone explodes when shooting a troodon pouncing them

[indigo gulch]

It’s really not🤣 Ai can tell people eating rocks is healthy.

[stark anvil]

10-15 minutes growth is just too fast on a creature that takes very little effort to reach perfect diet, give em the same growth time as Troodon

[karmic yacht]

why would you want a longer growth for the same outcome??

[karmic yacht]

7 minutes 30 is possible btw

[normal shuttle]

Do you know about balance?

[karmic yacht]

hypsi isnt even meant to have a life cycle lol

[normal shuttle]

Hypsi is slower than troodon, needs 30 body bites to kill a troodon, dies from a single troodon pounce without the pinning animation and its escape tool is not a escape tool

Hypsi growing in twice that time would give people less reason to play it

[karmic yacht]

hypsi isnt even meant to be in the game lol

dondi only added it cus people wanted to play it it was just an ai dino

[stark anvil]

your question makes no sense why would you want it so short that it might as well stat full grown,

[karmic yacht]

cus i dont like growing something for an hour that cant even kill a juvi

[indigo gulch]

@shadow belfry just an idea what?

[stark anvil]

if your playing hypsi to kill things thats a YOU problem

[karmic yacht]

if your playing a semi pvp game to fight things thats YOUR problem

[indigo gulch]

Brother, this is a very weak “no u”

[stark anvil]

that you think the Isle is a pvp game is telling

[karmic yacht]

my 10:03 is one of hundreds of runs, i have 40 GB of videos of hypsi runs. an average hypsi growth time without speedrunning is something like 30 mins

[karmic yacht]

ist half survival and half pvp

its survival whilst your growing and pvp when your fg

[indigo gulch]

40gb? I call BS

[karmic yacht]

in my opinion

[untold pewter]

Why would anyone want more growth time?

[stark anvil]

and Hypsi is the pacifism run of the isle

[thick summit]

dude

I decided to play deino

[karmic yacht]

oops not 40 its 20 mb just checked

[thick summit]

and I spawned at the swamps

[indigo gulch]

MB AND GB ARE A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE

[karmic yacht]

btw them videos are all on like 480p or something

[indigo gulch]

Have fun suffering 😛

[karmic yacht]

SORRY 20 GB NOT MB I CANT TYPE

[thick summit]

(I want to play deino BECAUSE I was suffering)

[karmic yacht]

i deleted a few so its more like 25gb

[modest dock]

i mean that would be better if we got to choose between multiple saved character before actually entering the map instead of just taking back the last saved and being forced to delete it or die with it directly

[modest dock]

that can be countered, put a timer for the zone, if you have a second dino in the close area you prevent its spawning for 5 minutes or so

[modest dock]

that system exists in path of titans and works well, it wouldn't even be forced to be enabled on all servers but could be an option for community servers

[indigo gulch]

Suffering from what?🤨

[thick summit]

not being able to get anything grown

[signal wyvern]

what dino

Damn u go Dilo squad typing

[gritty heart]

Rocket launchers (I don’t think they will be added) would be far from useless. It might be impractical against the smaller Dinos (Omnis, etc), but an rpg rocket wouldn’t struggle much to strike a trike and would absolutely maul it.

[thick summit]

troodon and maia

Sometimes the game just hates me

[signal wyvern]

A modern rocket would rip apart dinosaurs even an HE rocket IDK what yall are smoking

[gritty heart]

And even then, remember that an explosive doesn’t have to hit its target, so as an ambush a rocket would rip up a couple Omnis that don’t see you

Like I said, they should never be in the game (not explosive ones, maybe the silly JP tranq air launcher), but if they were depicted remotely accurately it would be disgusting

[signal wyvern]

HE rocket will always concuss any dinosaur, unless it's very small explosive but most modern RPGs pack a lot of punch.

[signal wyvern]

100%, even a old school cannon from the 1700s will rip apart a Dino

IDK I personally feel like the DEVs should focus on more dinos, content wise, and bug fixes/optimization instead of adding humans. That should be an implementation on full release not in this current state.

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

bro why on earth would we get a sunburn mechanic, we don’t have hippos xd

[stark anvil]

i'll just be happy with Dryo digging and hypsi climbing, not super interested in most new dinos aside fom Quetz, More Dino Mechanics > More Dinos

[signal wyvern]

This is more of a visual bug then intentional

[winter oyster]

#general-feedback message

@dapper quest might want to fix your ability to remember your pounce attack in an easier spot and also the fact you can move your mouse in combat instead of running in circles blindly until the cerato catches you.

[eternal moss]

i don't think its blindly, i think they know what they're doing.

[icy lion]

It didn't look like it

[signal wyvern]

It looked like the Cera bucked him off

I don't think he knows that

He either got bucked off or they werent big enough to pin him down. It looked like he got bucked off though

[eternal moss]

it did to me

[winter oyster]

You may not have the best eye for it then

[signal wyvern]

i agree with Austro on this one, Why did he pounce on the same side as the other raptor?

[eternal moss]

the first few bites looks like it

[icy lion]

Running up, nipping the tail, opening yourself up to getting bit instead of using rmb?

[eternal moss]

well i dont play ts at all to know whats good and whats not

[winter oyster]

and the entire rest of it was running in circles without actually looking at the cerato, trying to go bite-for-bite in a losing trade until the very end where the second omni came, where he then pounced the same side the other omni was.

[eternal moss]

it looked like he clearly pounced the other side, but then it glitched him to the same side

[winter oyster]

right, so, hence you not having the eye for it. and thats fine, but the thing is when people go out complaining about "fixing" something in the game only to show the real issue is the gameplay decisions

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure they were playing with a controller
Would explain the extremely slow camera turning

[winter oyster]

could also be it, but idk, if it was a controller then you could just move the stick to the direction of the cerato instead of keeping it stationary and running in circles

[signal wyvern]

What yall think of adjusting sniffing? Adjust sniffing sense for certain dinosaurs like raptor to be able to smell hurt or injured dinosaurs. Sniffing should let u sniff out close dinos imo.

Not like these Dino's are taking a shower everyday they smell bad

[urban flax]

That's what footprints and blood puddles are for

[signal wyvern]

Ya but they should be able to smell scent without the need of footprints and blood puddles especially older dinos as they surely had memory for survival purposes.

At least relatively close to them, say 50-100 meters

[urban flax]

That would be OP

[urban flax]

that's freaking huge lol

[signal wyvern]

Limit distance I say, like <20,

Thats not crazy, bloodhounds smell pretty far once they pick up a scent tbh

[urban flax]

A lot of this game involves hiding
Being able to scent other players directly ruins any form of hiding

[signal wyvern]

But I understand for balance

Ya but a big dino sniffing around 5-10 meter of another dino hiding in a bush, you are telling me realisticaly that dino wouldnt sniff out the hiding one?

Really close up I feel like hiding should not be possible unless the dino has bad scent

[urban flax]

Balance is more important than realism

[urban flax]

Why just screw up players and reward people who can't look properly over hiding spots by handing them their location ?

[wooden agate]

@tame locust #general-feedback message but its not meant to be killing 99% of full adult dinosaurs

so why would it be buffed to do that

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message Experienced players - don't even know that compies are disabled but working on HT

[tame locust]

but it should still be better to get more chances to make kills

[wooden agate]

why

explain to me in detail why

[tame locust]

because its to bad?

[wooden agate]

because youve given no reasoning so far

[wooden agate]

pteranodon can already kill the adult dinosaurs on its diet

so what else should it be killing

because if you just want a flying hunter, wait for quetz

[tame locust]

is quetz coming?

[wooden agate]

yes lol

[tame locust]

alr

[wooden agate]

i understand wanting a flying hunter, its a cool idea. but pteranodon is just... not equipped for that unfortunately.

if its any consolation, pteranodon is getting a rework (should be coming in this HT) that will give it an easier time in the sky and make it more capable on the ground. so it very well could get some combat buffs, but probably not enough to be a sky hunter

so pteranodon will be getting better in some form :D

[valid delta]

How is melanin in dinosaurs what you took from my comment? Lol

But I'll accept your sources. Learn something new everyday. Haha

[normal shuttle]

Never

Closest we are getting is mono and that is an ability with the need of a marker

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message @dawn hound allo will be much slower than omni

[dawn hound]

yea, but pinning is still very unfair mechanic

[valid delta]

Not everything is meant to be able to kill everything. Note how sparrows do not kill lions.

[ancient kestrel]

Well... It's survival-horror. A lot of things are supposed to be unfair

[misty flower]

i pinned a fg gali as omni and chewed it to death deff a bit much

[valid delta]

It's not unfair, it's a hunting style. Unless it's unfair that Cera makes puke, carno runs fast, pachy breaks bones, dilo has venom, deino is big... are these all unfair as well?

[normal shuttle]

??

[ancient kestrel]

!!

[normal shuttle]

I do not agree with what Inda says and I would rather make pounce harder to achieve

[dawn hound]

A dinosaur can just run up to you and maul you, yet you cannot do absolutely anything about it. Allosaurus would need about two or three to take down a stegosaurus, and end it for good. What is that thing gonna do about it?

[dawn hound]

What do you mean

[normal shuttle]

But bruh!!! Things aren’t meant to be unfair in a game just because it’s horror or something like that

[valid delta]

That is what it's like to be prey. Galli is faster. It's gallis fault for getting caught.

[wooden agate]

i think just adding retaliation damage to more animals would work lol

teeth and claws dont stop being teeth and claws just because youre being held down

similarly to what the devs want to do with deino grab

[normal shuttle]

That escaping a pin is dumb. If you get pinned you should normally die. But in my opinion there should be some restrictions like the ones I put in a very recent suggestion in #balance-feedback

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah. Just make more animals fight back if they got jumped from the wrong direction like other raptors, troo and beipi

[open plover]

its pitch black for me underwater as a dieno is there a fix for this?

[normal shuttle]

Exactly. So that if a 30% omni jumps an adult herra it dies unless it actually relies on skill and tries to fight normally

[misty flower]

id agree if gali wasnt a much bigger animal

[normal shuttle]

Although if an adult gets you there should be no escape imo

[ancient kestrel]

But probably it won't be very logical for something like dryo

[wooden agate]

galli is only 50kg larger and very skinny lol

[misty flower]

visual size it looked silly imo

[icy lion]

It's 425kg I thought

[normal shuttle]

I can see dryo kicking a small Omni away. like maybe up to 140-150kg

[ancient kestrel]

I also believe that raptor get impaled/damaged if it tries to pounce ceratopsians head-on

[wooden agate]

iirc its 500kg because its hardcoded to be pinnable by smaller animals

[valid delta]

Most animals, especially bipedal ones, will struggle to lift off the ground with an extra 75% of their weight attached to their neck. Especially if that weight is actively working to keep you down. That's still not unfair.

[normal shuttle]

Doesn’t that happen with trike?

[icy lion]

It was 510kg and hardcoded to get pinned anyway, now it's 425 or so and still has the lower pinning threshold

[wooden agate]

wait nvm super is right cause it cant knock omni anymore

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah I mean that. I just think that dibble also do that

[misty flower]

i feel like everyone is focused on realisim instead of balance not how you make a fun game lol

[wooden agate]

man, they should let galli knock over omni again

[normal shuttle]

Let galli fight back an omni if it only relies on pouncing and it gets pounced frontally

Like I suggested. So at least the galli doesn’t die cheaply and also if it chooses to get pinned by facing the omni, it is now forced to fight in exchange

[valid delta]

Well then what is the balance for the fact that unless you pin a galli it runs away never to be seen again? That wouldn't be much fun either. Sounds kind of boring.

[open plover]

its pitch black for me underwater as a dieno is there a fix for this?

[valid delta]

No Larry.

[wooden agate]

i hate that i have to ask

did you turn on night vision

[open plover]

yeah

[misty flower]

solid point

[wooden agate]

are you in HT

[open plover]

seems to not do anything

[valid delta]

And I think it is balanced. As a galli, do not let them catch you. If they catch you, you made a mistake. Mistakes have consequences. Which is balance.

Imo

[misty flower]

i guess i just dont see the fun in playing something that cant fight realistic or not

[valid delta]

It's not a fighting game. Not everything is meant to fight. But also galli can fight. I have been absolutely wrecked by gallis as a raptor before.

[dawn hound]

I highly believe that omniraptor's pounce hitboxes should be fixed. But I also believe if you disagree with pin escape, I still think things that get pounced by one singular individual would be able to damage it, depending on how much damage it deals. Meaning, if for example a herrera manages to make omniraptor low on hp, it could theoretically survive a pin because it would just kick the omni to death when it gotten pinned.

[valid delta]

The balance of the isle is not centered around everything fights everything always.

[dawn hound]

But things like galli that legit just get pinned by one singular omni could just kick off the omni with its strong legs

[normal shuttle]

That is correct, but there is still something very wrong when a playable whose main shtick is pack hunting and going for larger animals is flat out untouchable for its own or anything marginally below its size

That is a genuine problem

Actual crowd pleaser, soy bait dinosaur

This guy is better at bullying and being a one sided matchup for smaller creatures than carno 😭 😭

[valid delta]

Only if it can get those legs rotated around and under the raptor to begin with. Easier said than done in the moment. And doing so also exposes its belly, which the raptor could rip open and that's game over.

[valid delta]

Lions are pack hunters, yet still quite formidable solo. This isn't a strange concept in wild animals. Also, a pack is dangerous because each one is dangerous. Otherwise we are talking about larger troodons and raptor is pretty pointless at that point.

All of this also excuses the fact that galli has an extremely vulnerable neck that irl would be easily broken by many attacks, but that isn't modeled either. So galli is with that in mind, much harder to kill than it should naturally be.

[misty flower]

is omni raptor not a fictional dino? what is the size comparison to say utah ?

[valid delta]

I fail to see how that is relevant to this discussion.

[misty flower]

just trying to get an idea if the size they are going for if its fictional considering youre using real animals to justify the actions they perform

[ancient kestrel]

What IRL animals have to do with game?

[valid delta]

I'm using real animals to compare hunting techniques and to demonstrate that just because an animal typically hunts it groups does not mean that an individual is incapable of hunting on its own.

[normal shuttle]

Golden rule of isle game design/balancing that I believe you have been told before: we do not care about irl comparisons and balancing is always what takes priority.

In a world where every creature has its own strengths and weaknesses in their design and stats, it is just defunct to have one playable who is meant to do one thing and also excels at the complete opposite. I am actually fine with pinning under certain conditions, but those conditions will never include a 440kg pachy getting pinned frontally and dying or same with a galli against a 425kg omni, as well as herras just becoming stupid and not doing anything but looking at their sides as they lie on their back while a juvenile destroys them with no counterplay even if they break free because of the brutal amount of bleed pinning does

[valid delta]

Comparisons dude.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message no? they should actually IP ban you for writing this suggestion🔥

[normal shuttle]

Comparisons with irl animals are pointless because this is a game that has a design philosophy whereas in nature things have to be adapted or else they go extinct

[valid delta]

Y'all really seem to struggle with the concept of comparison to make a broader point.

[normal shuttle]

Do you realize that analogies matter nothing here. Like sure, a lion can also hunt efficiently alone (and in fact Omni can do so without pinning), but again in a game with different roles and designs it is bad that one guy has no drawbacks in their design on a conceptual level

[valid delta]

There are a lot of drawbacks to raptors. And analogies are always relevant when discussing concepts.

[normal shuttle]

What are the drawbacks of omni that aren’t unintended glitches or desync killing them

Their concept is a social pack hunter properly build to bring down and overpower big game, yet they have the strongest anti smaller creature ability in the entire game by a long shot. Like if deinos could grab stegos in land or even other deinos in the water

But I guess that would be more insightful because almost no one plays the smaller creatures or comes across a canni omni

[valid delta]

They use a high amount of stamina to do anything combat related, you have to aim perfectly to land the pounce, and they do a laughable amount of bleed for a playable whose purpose is supposed to be a bleeder. If they couldn't pin, they would be just about useless in their current state.

[normal shuttle]

Mfw I can use my agility and do 70-80 damage bites in and out all the time with damage mutations

[misty flower]

boom increase bleed removed pin done !

[valid delta]

I'd be happy with that.

[normal shuttle]

Also aiming perfectly like…😭 is it really that hard to aim at the damn side of a dinosaur

[misty flower]

😛

[normal shuttle]

If they couldn’t pin they would be marginally more skilled and wouldn’t have a bs ability

[misty flower]

i dont even care i just want ping and audio bugs fixed lol

[valid delta]

You wouldn't think so, but it's the isle, so you can be blocked by a molehill or a twig, and if you miss you fly 1,000 feet before breaking every bone in your body if there is even the slightest hint of a downhill on the other side. Lol

And small dinos that move around, plus ping... yeah, landing pounce can be a challenge.

[misty flower]

i was mia and solo dilo ping banged me to death not even a sign of damage just poofed to 4th screen then dead god i hate it

[normal shuttle]

Just pointblank lol

Problem solved

And honestly you really have to be clueless to fall to your death

And it’s sad when so many omnis do that and fall to their death

[misty flower]

i see mad bodies near the edges of cliffs constantly

[normal shuttle]

Proving how good the Omni playerbase is even with their crutch dinosaur

[valid delta]

I'm not talking about cliffs mate. I'm talking about flying forever on a 0.5 degree downhill because isle physics are wack. Lol

[normal shuttle]

Okay, pounce uphill then or point blank, solved

Or have just enough patience to ambush someone in flatter terrain

[valid delta]

If you try it uphill, you stop after 1 foot because you touch the ground. You sound like someone who is arguing from a place of ignorance ngl.

[normal shuttle]

All it takes for Omni to obliterate someone with a pin or even a pounce on anything dilo size or below is just being patient for them to step into the open and then go for it with your ultra quiet footsteps

[valid delta]

Lol but go ahead, spam all your feels.

[normal shuttle]

I played omni for 5 hours yesterday 💀

[valid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/snob-rich-spongebob-squarepants-gif-13899241

[normal shuttle]

What is with the assumptions

Saying omni is weak or useless is so out of touch. Even a toddler could use it effectively as a cannibal or a small game hunter

[valid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/snob-rich-spongebob-squarepants-gif-13899241

[normal shuttle]

Other than jank it has no weak- oh I see

Git gud and you will open your eyes and leave your ignorance behind

[valid delta]

That comment really hurt your feels huh?

[bleak kestrel]

@dawn hound honestly idk man most dinos expect dryo can kinda evade omni and pounce is hard to land

Or not evade but deal with it

[dawn hound]

Yum, S diet buffet table

[dawn hound]

I wouldnt complain as much if the pounce didnt had a hitbox placed 3 meters ahead of itself

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly the hitbox its wierd kinda like when i feel i should be able to pounce something it doesnt idk mate

[dawn hound]

i dont generally have a problem with pounce, but PIN

[bleak kestrel]

Pounce is a pin

[dawn hound]

no, i mean it in a way where pounce is when you go onto someone and bite them and scratch them, pin is when you pin somebody to the ground and maul them

[bleak kestrel]

Its basicaly same attacks just works diffrent depending on size

[valid delta]

I wanna see a fg raptor being run around by a baby troodon because raptor pounced it but can't pin it. Lol That would be hilarious!

[dawn hound]

tip of a tail shouldnt count as a pinnable part of the body for attacked targets by omnis

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah i do understand but were talking about small dinos being unable to deal with it or big dinos being jumped by omnis?

[ancient kestrel]

Have you heard about bleed pounce?

[valid delta]

What that's a thing!!?? Omg!!! I nneevveer kknneeww! Lol

[dawn hound]

yea i ment a singular individual pinning a target by itself

[woeful latch]

“laughable amount of bleed” is crazy, they don’t know that omni is arguably the best bleeder in the game lol

[bleak kestrel]

Well its really hard to do unless its smillar size target

[dawn hound]

im sorry

[bleak kestrel]

Unless cought off guard

I think targets smillar size should be able to somehow deal with a pin yeah

But smaller ones nah

Maybe expect dryo

[valid delta]

And yet I rarely see anything bleed to death from it. But one jump from a herra and it's pretty much game over. When I'm playing as something large, I fear bleed from baby dibbles more than a fg raptor.

[dawn hound]

pounce takes skill, you gotta go onto a target by jumping it from the side (now for trike and dibble its even for the back), but you can pin anything by just rightclicking a target's tail

[dawn hound]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350260027129865/1350856883753193534

watch the videos

[bleak kestrel]

I mean that shouldnt be a thing yeah

But isnt it like with every attack that full damage is dealt if you get hit on tip of your tail?

[dawn hound]

I died SO many times as a herrera to an omni, only because it telepathically pinned me.

[bleak kestrel]

Maybe you should be able to escape pin after short time depending where it landed

[dawn hound]

Oh i got a pretty decent idea

[bleak kestrel]

But of corse it would need to take longer time to kill something smaller cuz like your dino would basicaly probably die before it escapes but that also sort of a point it should be harder for smaller dinos

[dawn hound]

Imagine you get pounced on the tip of your tail, when youre a herrera. You will be slightly pinned, and because the omni only pinned its tail, the herrera would be capable of kicking off the omni with its legs, slightly stunning it and then running away.

[bleak kestrel]

But yeah if you get hit on tail every dino should

1.not be pinned at all

2.get pinned for very short time

[woeful latch]

herrera is an ambush predator it has exactly one chance to pounce something, not to mention that it’s easily avoidable.

in case of omni you should do the bleed pounce if you want to bleed things, omni is small and also a pack hunter, don’t expect to deal much damage by yourself.

there’s also animals that bleed more and there’s animals that bleed less, so you should always adjust your playstyle to be more effective

[ancient kestrel]

I think telepathic pin is more about desync

[dawn hound]

finally somebody not complaining about herrera

[bleak kestrel]

I thought about dinos getting speed boost after escaping the pin.

But that also could work

[dawn hound]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/778350260027129865/1350856883753193534

watch the video

[valid delta]

I am aware of all of this. Yet still said what I said. In my experience raptors bleed is subpar compared to what it should be.

[gritty heart]

Herras often get many chances, and if they do a decent job hiding only those 2nd chances are easy to avoid (admittedly, isle players are blind af I’ve screamed up a tree pointing at a herra and had small playables still walk right under that tree)

[dawn hound]

I know this sounds absurd but this could may help some animals to get boosted when mixpacking lmao

[bleak kestrel]

No its speed boost for like 2-5 seconds

[gritty heart]

Most pinnable animals aren’t that threatening anyways/are already faster

[dawn hound]

Oh okay, well then yea. Adrenaline is a thing.

[bleak kestrel]

Dryo tho should be able to use dodge to escape the pin no matter what

[dawn hound]

Would be interesting, yea

[woeful latch]

it definitely doesn’t need a buff, omni does a lot of bleed, there’s nothing that omni pack can’t bleed out

[bleak kestrel]

But it would kick omni in a face wnich would stun it and also he would gain the speed boost so you should only attack dryo when youre sure hes out of dodges

[dawn hound]

What about the same being for a herrera?

and galli

buff legs

[ancient kestrel]

Cera under max body buff be like:

[woeful latch]

i mean, i guess? you only get a second chance as a herrera if target doesn’t run away or you successfully tracked it and pounced again, but that usually never happens, unless the player you’re fighting is new

[gritty heart]

Herra and Galli both get caught via skill issues, let them suffer

[bleak kestrel]

Nope and nope both of these have way to escape and dryo is slower and need some special mechanics ONLY for him

[dawn hound]

Omni itself is a skillissue lmao

[dawn hound]

okay, but i think it should require enough stamina

[woeful latch]

well cera has permanent 99% bleed resistance on HT even trike can’t bleed it out LMAO

[gritty heart]

A lot of the times (west access) players are trying to reach a specific resource. Additionally, west access allows herras to reposition around a wide area, so anyone in the entire region provides easy 2nd/3rd/etc chances.

[gritty heart]

This is especially true with the presence of both resting trees and palm trees (which offer great concealment but not stamina gain)

[normal shuttle]

@queen urchin git gud

[woeful latch]

there’s a strat called “looking up” and that easily counters herrera lmao

[ancient kestrel]

Permanent? Like it even when there are no bodies around?

[bleak kestrel]

To escape yeah escaping a pin would require a lot of stam depending where omni got you and how much is omnis on you (dryo will ignore these and alawas drain same amount (the lowest amount))

[woeful latch]

if you use that amazing strategy herrera will never be able to pounce you again

[woeful latch]

yeah lol, it’s permanent

could be a bug, but you never know

[dawn hound]

What i really hope for dryo is burrow customization

[gritty heart]

I’m not saying it’s unfair. I’m saying they do fine, and can’t really complain about Omni pin when they practically do the same crime.

I’ve dodged about 10000 herra pounces since they infest west access

[bleak kestrel]

But what if some other dinos would be able to stun omnis or even ragdoll if they escape the pin?

Not cuz abillity but cuz of thier size

[ancient kestrel]

That's brutal

[dawn hound]

Hypsi is really slick

[indigo gulch]

I just died because I pinned a packmate on the ground despite pouncing a carno

[woeful latch]

brutal indeed

[indigo gulch]

pounce is great 🙃

[bleak kestrel]

If the wieghts is around the same as omnis you will stun them and gain speed boost when escaping.

If its twice as much you will ragdoll them and also gain speed boost

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-rocket-launcher-wall-gif-985067012450809155

[indigo gulch]

man, I wasn't even close to them

like how.

[bleak kestrel]

Reson why hypsi wont get the abillity is cuz it already small gremlin and its hard to pin

[woeful latch]

i wish crazy desync was fixed.

[bleak kestrel]

Also hyspi will be able to climb

[dawn hound]

I killed a hypsi today, and I think this issue should be solved. I have every setting on max, but when i walked far enough from a bunch of plants, they dissapeared and i saw a hypsi hiding in them. I went in, doing like i didnt see him, then i bit him. This is so unfair against the hypsi, i think they should resolve this

[woeful latch]

i don’t know what causes desync, but it really needs to be looked at. it feels like it’s getting worse every patch

[bleak kestrel]

Thats other issue

[dawn hound]

Also if you wanna ask me why i had to kill it, it was cuz i was low on S

[bleak kestrel]

But honestly i think nerfing pin to much is bad idea

Like solo raptor will be nightmare to play.

I mean even if you get pounced for a second it does a lot of damage as small dino but idk

[fathom lily]

(i'm sorry its not hacker i'm blind)

[bleak kestrel]

Anyway what dino do you think should be added to the game? Maybe not dino but animal

I wish for nothosaurus

[fathom lily]

anti hacker fix bug first

[bleak kestrel]

Dont play offical servers

Just dont.

[dawn hound]

Like the one that is not on the list?

or one that is on the list?

[bleak kestrel]

Not on the list

I wish for nothosaurus

[dawn hound]

Think anything about me, but coelophysis.

[bleak kestrel]

Small enough so it wont just fricking strave

[dawn hound]

basically dryosaurus but carnivorous

[bleak kestrel]

I think 800kg to 1 ton for it would be nice

[dawn hound]

for notho?

[bleak kestrel]

How much it weights?

[bleak kestrel]

Coel could be eathier be a great swimmer or trash eater

[fathom lily]

i'm blind herrera kill me ( sorry )

[dawn hound]

unsure but it was probably 3 meters long and.. i dunno man too many depictions of how tall it was im legit confused

what about an underwater burrower?

[bleak kestrel]

I were asking for notho cause im not sure eathier how big it is actually

[dawn hound]

Coelophysis was depicted by sciencists to maybe be the direct ancestor of Dilophosaurus.. so maybe a slight venom, no pounce, digging and swimming?

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly i think it could be size of a dryo if not bigger being very agile and basicaly eat rotten corpses

[normal shuttle]

We have troodon and we’re getting mono

Enough in that dryoish weight range

[bleak kestrel]

No no shhhh

[normal shuttle]

Omnivores better

[dawn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-jurassic-world-velociraptor-fall-over-faint-raptor-gif-2955353988342242904

[normal shuttle]

Where’s omnivore theri

[bleak kestrel]

Youre a genius

Make celo omnivore

[dawn hound]

I am not gonna play dryo if they dont give it burrow customization

[bleak kestrel]

Celopsychis could be carni that could eat Fruits

So its not a carni but it still will be activate hunter in some way

[dawn hound]

Its not like coelophysis will be a gamechanger or something, similiar to hypsi in some sord of way. Hypsi was ment to be ai, but it was then turned into a playable.

[normal shuttle]

Avaceratops eating herd members is gonna be so peak

[bleak kestrel]

Lol

[normal shuttle]

Eliminating the evidence

[bleak kestrel]

Guys what if we do uno reverse.

Herrera got way smaller so lets make celopsychis way bigger

[dawn hound]

huh

[bleak kestrel]

Herrera in real life was like 200+ actually

I think celo could be like 100kg +

Make it decent swimmer and also be able to eat rotten meat

Maybe make it have venom depending on what it ate?

[gritty heart]

I love that little guy

[bleak kestrel]

Fruits will make it do venom where it will make you like blur vision or something while rotten flesh could infect wounds and make bleed stay for longer

[dawn hound]

Dilophosaurus ancestor, my beloved

[dawn hound]

I might be wrong but i heard that some poisonous frogs get their poison from poisonous crickets they can eat

[bleak kestrel]

What if fruits venom would make dinosaurus dizzy and flesh venom would infect them with a debuff like less damage or something

Or more damage from celos

Idk honestly we could do it in many ways

Make it omnivore

Make it use venom

Make it semi aquatic

Idk honestly it hard to make it special also like venom is already a thing for troodon

I think any omnivore is kinda best pick

Maybe tail attack as defense mechanic

Guys remeber herrera scrapped mechanic about ripping parts of meat from bigger dinos

Maybe that could be a thing got celo

[dawn hound]

I saw a video from kingfisher recently, and he showed a conceptart from some guy, where he explains that hypsis could build bases up in the trees, with bridges and even when building these, little seeds and sticks would fall down the tree. The sticks could be grabbed by nesting dinosaurs to make a nest, and the seeds will grow for only a limited amount of time as he said ''temporary adult version of sanctuary mushrooms'', that basically provide all diets for herbivores, until they dissapear soon.

[dawn hound]

hmmm...

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl i think hypsi having like big nest would be enough i also watched and i think its just too much for such dino

[dawn hound]

coelophysis had teeth for gripping afterall..

[dawn hound]

but im not gonna lie, what else is a tiny guy ment to do? More powerful things that are good combatwise already have their mechanics in the attacks. Hypsi cant attack much, just like dryo, and purely just escaping or blinding isnt much. Giving hypsi like lets say three types of structures it could build (lets say a house, a bridge, and a tree nest) wouldnt be that hard to make. It would just have to collect sticks. And the bushes under the tree are also not as hard to make too.

[bleak kestrel]

He could climb.

Build huge nest store food and all

But sure if you could build connections beetween nests it would be nice and all.

[dawn hound]

I dont know much about coding, but this could literally be done in the same exact way nest blueprints can be made.

Making a deeper and more customizable burrow would also be very nice.

[acoustic spruce]

@tame jetty you want good night vision don’t play a 60 ton animal. Play night specialist like dilo or that little raptor

[wooden agate]

yeah that specific picture he used is way too bright for diablo

you should have very impaired vision at night depending on what you are, but you should also be able to see your entire model and the immediate ground around you

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl it hurts me so much some dinos are ai only 😦

Like taco

[stone hatch]

hear me out man - tropeognathus. Something between quetz size and pteranodon size that can compete with both (against quetz in groups) bleed damage as a sort of anti-air measure, but absolutely zero downward bite so that land animals cant be pestered with a bleed. Am i crazy?

and scavenging capabilities with rotten food/bones?

[unreal ridge]

sky cera?

[dense meteor]

I think NV should be to its core black and white with some sort of fog/white noise effect with the effect increasing the further things are from you, but not to the point where you can't see at all but can only see a silhouette of something, and for carnivores it should be something else entirely depending on the species

[dense meteor]

It's eerie to look at night should still be scary but still be able to see while still allowing predators to ambush

[pastel notch]

How heavy can Deinosuchus carry and drag when in the water?

at max weight for the example

[proud coral]

As neat as it is in concept, I gotta heavily disagree with camera-like night vision.
I'd personally much rather the current direction (not saying it's perfect, could definitely use tweaks and additions) of night vision for creatures feeling more natural and less artificial. Having a spotlight around us or everything looking like it's from the perspective of a camcorder is kinda lame.

Now for actual night vision goggles and/or cameras if we ever get those, 100%

[grizzled matrix]

6 tons iirc

[pastel notch]

I thought it was 4, good to know 🙂‍↕️

[grizzled matrix]

4 tons if the prey is out of the water
But if the prey is swimming, Deino can grab up to 6 tons

[pastel notch]

ahhh ok ok makes sense, thank you Nappa, Vegeta did you dirty

[dense meteor]

For what they want nights to feel like, I think it's the only way, that image just makes me uncomfortable and I don't see a authentic night vision giving off that eerie feeling, I think NV has to look like how a human would perceive night vision because at the end of the day we are humans so to get that feeling ur looking for at night you gotta perceive how we would see it

[pastel notch]

also what has the best chance* of killing a trike rn

[dense meteor]

Now I'm not saying it has to look exactly like the image but at the core of NV that's how it should be built off of

When you look into a dark room ur eyes are constantly trying to make sense of what is beyond, you get a grainy noisy visual as your eyes try to adjust, blackness on a monitor screen just looks like black because it's not actually 0 light so adding that filter to NV would give off that feeling like your eyes are trying to make sense of what is beyond

[bleak kestrel]

@rough scroll i agree some places feel like they should be more flat

Like one part of highlands near like is fine but other part its just wierd being all hills like its kinda annoying

It would be better if whole highland were just bottom of mountain or at least that part that i mentioned

Would be cool if we also had more special places and some locations should have stuff to make them worth visiting

[wooden agate]

i think we're moving in the right direction (ex: the new falls area in HT) in adding more unique landmarks onto gateway

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah but like i wouldnt mind some places getting more stuff like place where there will alawas could be food or something

[wooden agate]

that just sounds like a way to even further trivialize the already incredibly easy resource management we have

[bold stream]

This is probably just a skill issue but most of my (full grown) deaths are from misjudging the landscape(getting too eager too charge at someone?) and flying off a small hill to my demise

[bleak kestrel]

Or maybe just them to have option to be patrol zone

Like i actually saw some sick looking places and they are just empty

Wish mountains also had bigger role like it would be cool to hunt something on mountains

Imagine a pond on a mountain with waterfall on it

[wooden agate]

this i can agree with

i dont think there should be a single inch of the map (except for terrain you cant reasonably traverse, such as large mountains) where there isnt a PZ/MZ that could spawn

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message What was even the issue here?

[bleak kestrel]

I think they should make mountains more habitable

And also add a cave or something would be nice to have a caves that could let you in some locations faster

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message LMAOOOOOOOO

i’m crying

[vernal jacinth]

@river idol they have it fixed in HT and eventually it’ll move to main branch

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

@bleak kestrel

I like the idea of diet preference scaling.

Optimally I’d like if most things (not own species for non canni species etc) gave some diet, with non preferred things giving just a little bit,like farming for organs does [I dislike the organ mechani]. Then there could be an average diet tier, it would have the ai basics for the diet types and some Dinos. Then a favorite food section with boosted nutrients

[river idol]

yea i dont care, it shouldve been fixed in main branch long ago, especially since they seem to have fixed it so quickly easliy in the HT

theyve even been deleting suggestions to fix dilo venom

[vernal jacinth]

Don’t know where you’ve seen that

[wooden agate]

yeah they delete bug reports put in #general-feedback because thats not the place for bug reports

as theyve said

countless times

[vernal jacinth]

Ahhh that would explain it

[wooden agate]

7 people in the past day who dont know how to follow that simple request lol

i understand the frustration but bug reports go straight to QA, feedback does not

youre yelling into the void

[vernal jacinth]

Literally

[wooden agate]

nate's didnt get deleted because its not a bug report, its just "put out a fix for this specifically pretty please" so no need to delete it

i hope i explained that well

[proven fossil]

exactly blind despair, if i want to attack you and actually have a chance to not die you being blind while i can see is all i need.

[rough scroll]

This would be perfect, I feel like apart from the human constructions, the map is made up of just forests, hills and some places with low grass. (and even with low grass there are still a lot of hills)

for example the new waterfalls they added to the game's central river, that's magnificent, and I'm sure it'll be a beautiful place to hang out as long as you have the right dinosaurs for that environment. I feel like the vast majority of the map is there just to be there, and not to house the dinosaurs

[proven fossil]

they started implementing that little radious in nv

diablo has it now

[wooden agate]

in HT?

[proven fossil]

yes

im playing dibble rn

and although its pitch black i still have a little radious around me where i can see

[copper wedge]

help running into a issue where I can't change resolution, has anyone experienced this before? first time playing on evrim

[proven fossil]

on your settings?

youll need to restart your game

[untold thistle]

I main Troodon and play Dilo when I need something that doesn't get 1 shot. NV sucks for them too.

In poor lighting it's like a flashbang going off. As you move the camera the lighting completely changes making your actual eyes strain constantly because you can see your screen clearly.

And at night when its meant to be be an advantage it's awful with blue tracings around everything. It functions properly maybe 50% of the nighttime hours.

I'd kill for the old NV back.

[gritty heart]

Sometimes I wish we had the legacy to static nv, it was quirky make nv camo (but it was worse otherwise for dilo so I don’t wish too hard xd)

Maybe have it be a feature with bad nv creatures not getting as heavily ranged punished but more color punished.

[untold thistle]

I'd give up color entirely just to get rid of the completely visibility change as I move the camera.

You have to keep your head on a swivel and it's actually blinding having everything constantly shift

Imagine looking left and seeing fine and then you're blind over your right shoulder.

Either let me see or don't but for God's sake it's like being in a room and a 5 year old is playing with the lightswitch

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i might be crazy but i think i had that mutation once, inherited it as nested in dibble during its HT

but maybe i’m just crazy

[gritty heart]

Were you in a rubber room?

[wooden agate]

my boy is not sleeping, he is dead 💀

[icy lion]

nooooo hes just.... stargazing......

[little parrot]

Is there alrady any suggestion to just make a remake of Isle V3 Map? So we have an actual good map and not useless unclimbable mountains take a lot of space

[wooden agate]

1/3rd of v3 was literally unusable mountains

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[little parrot]

at the borders, with those lil isles in the down right usable later on, not the mountains mid map we have just making u go around

[wooden agate]

so a map with actual obstacles you have to plan around is less favorable than a map you can just no brain walk across

because a) v3 has a giant canyon in the middle literally making you go around and b) that just sounds... boring?

[little parrot]

you can cross the canyon, u go down and cag get up the other side, I can sort that obstacle, but I can not with useless mountains taking space just to exist

[nocturne basin]

I mean it’s true

[gritty heart]

Imma be real I like gateway (well just west access pond. I always love my ponds in isle games)

[wooden agate]

that 'useless mountain' is only useless depending on the species. herrera, quetz, pteranodon, and hypsi will all find value in that mountain more often than not

it also once again serves as a way to direct player traffic and make it easier to find people (something people complain about all the time so this would just make that worse lol)

[icy lion]

There's roads that take you up and through the mountains and hills on Gateway just like the paths in the canyon on v3

[wooden agate]

also, that

[untold geyser]

hi

@wooden agate what do you want

[wooden agate]

you missed it

[little parrot]

nope, not on every mountain, it's a fact there are mountains just filling space because yes

[untold geyser]

I WAS WATCHING OINGO BOINGO

[wooden agate]

skill issue

[icy lion]

Have you looked at v3?

[wooden agate]

again, there is objectively 1/3rd of v3 being unusable mountains (far more than gateway)

it doesnt matter if they're on the borders, thats 1/3rd of the map you cant use lol

[little parrot]

bruh I play herra and I wont be there because theres no players there, some AI by if god is merciful but why go there just for AI, quetz, ptera sure they were also in legacy so those mountains had sense at the end

[little parrot]

yes, I have crossed every mountain that it is not those 3 at the border

[pliant elm]

@dusty oasis Even without sparring mode a trike can easily deal with a stego, just knock down the stego, attack, gain distance and repeat this

[limber hull]

@latent olive one big downside with your suggestion

south plains is by far the most difficult location for a deinosuchus to access lol

[latent olive]

yeah i know

make it more difficult

(i also had an idea earlier in isle-discussion to connect highlands lake with south plains river)

i should probably add that

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt mind connecting it via a water way through the large dome

that way you can keep the OG south plains river design where it goes up the massive waterfall into the dome and have that whole area to the left of the dome become inherently more interesting if the river comes out that side and finds a way to connect with the lake

[latent olive]

"I would also like for the southplains river to be connected to the Highlands lake, be it an underwater cave connecting directly to the river itself, or connecting to the dome, which connects to the much higher level water source." like this ?

[wooden agate]

underwater cave similarly to what BOB has on some parts of the map would be pretty interesting

would also serve as a cool way for lower tier/mid tier animals to traverse into the aviary without going through the main enterance

[latent olive]

i also had the brief thought of the river through the dome allowing interaction for deino and whatever lives inside that dome's biome

[wooden agate]

mmm personally id have the only way inside via water be the sewer concepts we got earlier for the river section that currently connects to dome

so some sort of artificial barrier (like bars or something) in the underground river portion at the part that goes into the dome would be ideal

deino would still be able to get in there, they'd just have to come out and take the normal path that most animals going through the cave must go through and drop back into the river

ill see if i can get something drawn up in paint

[wooden agate]

im so sorry

i completely butchered your idea

imagine youre looking at the map from above

[latent olive]

this would give a schizophrenic person a horrible nightmare

[ancient kestrel]

What is more concerning about Gateway for me is overkill huge vegetation with enormous amounts of giant bushes bigger than even apex dinos

[wooden agate]

yeah the enviorment does seem scaled very oddly

and it directly makes the dinosaurs feel smaller, which also leads to the "hurrr rex too small!" comments we've been getting consistently lately

[proven fossil]

@full pewter Yet nobody was ever there

[full pewter]

Why are you pinging me here?

Wait nvm

[proven fossil]

lol

[full pewter]

If you mean northwest plains what are you talking about?

It was a party spot for a long time

[primal venture]

diablo hitbox is busted

[still monolith]

Love playing black screen simulator 😀

[willow rock]

this game went so downhill. i use to love it so much in 2017 and now its just admins and users taking advantage of us, cant even us a herb cause im asking a simple question about how to survive. fix your power hungery admin user. you were better way nack then but got stupid.

[limber hull]

are you playing on EVRIMA? Because it sounds to me like you're on the unofficial servers of legacy

[junior nymph]

<@&933486433342222376>

also one in a few more channels like #general-feedback

wait no all the feedback channels

[heady geode]

Quickly, flock to isle lore channel to make up reasons why earths atmosphere is massively oxygen rich now! Big oxygen, big plants

[ancient kestrel]

Bruh. I am talking from a point that such plants just kills sense of scale and just annoying. I don't care what lore says about that.

It's just bad for gameplay

[idle glacier]

I think he was jokingly agreeing with you my dude.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

imagine adding these awesome majesting sauropods and not even having people play them lol

also if im a herbivore i would not go anywhere NEAR a sauropod AI because the chances of it instantly killing me with that tail because of janky-ass AI is too great

[bleak kestrel]

@unreal perch what is that 💀

You know how this sounds?

[unreal perch]

just an idea :/ no need to be mean...

[bleak kestrel]

Well if your idea is make a troodon like ants dont be suprised

[indigo gulch]

It’s not as bad of an idea as barix makes it seem, but the problem with it that I can see is that troodon doesn’t have the weight behind it to do such a thing

[sudden otter]

https://tenor.com/view/zepranan-hole-ants-ant-zeprana-strength-micronation-funny-gif-9076813825300558154

[unreal perch]

oh okay :(

[sudden otter]

but ants can do it, so why not troodon right?

[indigo gulch]

Different kind of animal

[bleak kestrel]

No like grabbing babies is fine but bringing it to troodon queen sounds so wierd and getting reward for that?

[indigo gulch]

Hey mate, it’s okay. Nothing ever went wrong with just brainstorming and voicing ideas👍🏻

[unreal perch]

:D

[sudden otter]

never let anyone silence you, back in the day they didnt think television would be a plausible idea, never give up

[desert arch]

Troodons dont have exoskeletons

And are millions of times bigger than an ant