general-feedback-discussion

[normal shuttle]

Found that once by trying buttons because I logically assumed there was no way you could go down just with that slow pace or jumping

[frank tapir]

@deft osprey are the servers you're trying to connect to official servers in the evrima version?

[deft osprey]

@frank tapir Some of them are private servers, and some are official servers.

I may not be able to reply to you promptly because I'm using a VPN. Otherwise, I can't access this software.

[honest crane]

That’s true, but you already have the “if I don’t catch this dibble I’m starving” experience right now when you play. This actually gives you a better opportunity for when you really need it; a speed boost to make sure you catch that last-chance Dino before he finishes crossing the river.
If you’re doing it by choice for better stats, more fool you if it doesn’t go your way. We don’t need to hold people’s hands. I choose to go to HL as a Deino only because the sustained hydration mut allows it; who do I blame when I starve there? 😆
And don’t forget, this would be best implemented with a MUCH decreased hunger depletion rate too, so you’d still have more time to actually get food when you need it. Again, there’s never any guarantee that you’ll find food as a Deino right now; like I said, I was 70% today and starved. Just bad luck.

I think what I said would still be much more forgiving than what the game is giving us now with janky AI spawn rates and a map that is not as croc friendly as Spiro was. And being hungry means you are able to more quickly traverse the map to find more food, which is what I find myself wishing more often than not haha. “If I were just a little faster, I could’ve made it there before I starved, and maybe there’d have been fish to save me.” 😅

A problem I can see with it is it would make 2v1s a no brainer; two can be near-starved and team up against one, and the solitary croc wouldn’t be able to swim away because chances are he isn’t starving. But croc 2v1s today are a death sentence anyway, which is why I also think the water sense should be better as well, so people will be able to hide more effectively and avoid these encounters more often.

My suggestions would work best in tandem, but again, there are probably a hundred other ways to balance crocs a little more lol. Sorry for the essay.

[indigo gulch]

No worries for the essay, just give me a bit to read it xD

I suppose you're right. And if the 2v1s are starving coming at you you might still be able to hide in stumps or something and starve them out

[honest crane]

Just a bit of a thinking exercise. I bet someone smarter than me would find a way to exploit it somehow, but I can’t quite conceptualise what that might look like haha. I think it would be easier to just make a smaller map for more player encounters 😉

Bedtime for me anyhow. Take care @indigo gulch, thanks for the discussion!

[indigo gulch]

no problem, any time, sleep well!

[obsidian hollow]

Hello, I have no clue how to report this but I find it sickening how I have to spending freaking 9 plus hours growing a damn tric yeah to die to a freaking carno biting me bc I can’t see nothing in front me what so ever I don’t think the trics vision should be that crappy yeah it’s an apex and has weakness or whatever but seeing we can’t see even our bodies as the player it shouldn’t be that garbage, a fully grown tric shouldn’t die to a carno from darkness bruh, can’t even spare either so like idk maybe that should be fixed or sum

[woeful latch]

the problem with making troodon grow in 30 minutes and stuff is how easy it will make the revenge killing.

imagine if you’re fighting a pack of troodon and every time you kill one of the members it respawns and comes back in 30 minutes while the rest of the pack is keeping pressure

not to mention that with the friend codes only one member should get a good spawn, the rest can just teleport, grow in no time and join back the pack

[indigo gulch]

report? Wdym report?

just put a suggestion in #general-feedback

[mighty girder]

• Trike takes 7 hours to grow not 9
• Its a wip prototype atm
• Its a wip prototype atm
• put your rear to a tree when night comes instead of being in an open field

[iron apex]

Usual latency hits. Same kind of hit you take against a charging Carno, it's awful

[normal shuttle]

That just feels entirely on you and why would it have to be a report if it wasn’t a cheater?

How do you even lose a full grown trike to a carno

Did you like, not hit it at all?

[lucid mauve]

Legacy balance, butt

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message If you can't beat a cera as carno, would you just not run away?

[urban flax]

Run... away ? What's this ?

[lucid mauve]

When i die, i sometimes think about the running away part

[dawn hound]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1349781025093320715 aint carno ment to be a small game hunter? @fiery trench

@lime violet https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1349569613683359765 1.5 hours of growth? Where did you get that from? Whenever I usually play troodon, it takes about 30 minutes or it feels like so

[golden horizon]

Survival 🔥

[golden horizon]

Either hide or run, but usually you can't do the latter if a carno is after you when you play omni or dilo

[knotty solar]

@frail prawn but what you don't understand is that rex or allo isn't in the game trust me once they get into the game it'll back down east plus stegos are nit super wide spread rn I've played the isle for 15 hours past 2 days I've saw 2 stegos I can agree with trike but you gotta think it just released hype around it is crazy rn but that doesn't make any sense to remove grazing there herbs for a reason... I mean they don't provide any thing for us other then from not starving meaning if your growing a trike pr stego trust me
Its gonna take well over 10+ hours to grow one if your only eating grass....

And there is so much food rn that it doesn't even matter of grazing isn't in the game be real herbs have so much food most don't even eat it... even after the MZ changes

[frail prawn]

Starvation should always be a looming threat for everything, just because you dont get your diets doesnt mean anything because eating grass will sooner or later get you there, it doesnt matter about time because most people growing apexes seem to have plenty of time, the punishment for NOT getting your diets is not doing enough because people are still growing apexes in masses, herbivores are getting a easy ride while getting to much power to quickly in weight.

[knotty solar]

Its gonna get removed just for it to do nothing

[knotty solar]

As I've said I've played 15 hours for the past 2 days and I have yet to even eat grass and I don't even hang around the MZ.... so your take is kinda a L tbh

Trust me herbs won't starve

[frail prawn]

Thats the problem there's not enough competition between herbivores, there's no fear for them they all group up and sit around for hours, if there's not enough food for them all they just eat grass. They'll never starve because of course they have grass, there's no need for them to fight for it because its always there. Thats pretty much what I mean when I say herbivores have no fear.

[granite peak]

just spent 8 hrs growing my trike to fg and got killed by a baby carno cheater in 8 bites

some bs, this is why I dont play on official servers, its crazy that thats not caught on the horde test servers

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[knotty solar]

You also gotta think a lot of herbs are just to big for what's in the game your taking your cera to fight dibbles and maias and then you get bullied saying all this I'm growing a dibble rn not even in a MZ so again I don't agree

[granite peak]

i dont have a recording but will see

[icy lion]

You don't need to have a recording to make a report

[frail prawn]

Its easy mode for them, they gain weight and power far to fast, for minimal penalty. Not getting diets is not punishing enough for them outside of time consuming, which is nothing for people who sit in a bush through most of it.

[knotty solar]

You do release how fast rexes are gonna grow right there gonna grow as fast as trikes if they have the food......

[icy lion]

I think you're misunderstanding the point of the post

[frail prawn]

because its going through testing? It still doesnt change the fact that Herbies will not and cannot die because they have infinite food. Which is NOT the same for carnivores.

If there's no AI spawning? Starving, if you dont kill someone? Starving.

[knotty solar]

They don't want grazing so herbs can't eat but I'm telling them that it doesn't matter that a lot of herbs don't even graze

I was with 15 dibbles last night and not a sig le person grazed in the 5 hours we played

[icy lion]

So then we can rebalance plant values and spawns, like it mentioned in the posts diet food should be something to be defensive over

[frail prawn]

A lot of them do, that's all I've seen from herbies I'VE done it myself because there was no need to get diets because I'm already adult and powerful and have infinite grass.

[knotty solar]

Id agree with that i want more fixed plants like I wish fruit trees actually stayed and produced food over game but stayed there but yh

[knotty solar]

Well idk where you are cause I main herbi I don't really play nothing else but trike/dibble and maia and from everyone I play with don't graze no point

I mean remove it but you prob won't see a difference tbh

[frail prawn]

Trike is growing extremely fast right now and gains weight extremely fast, along with Maia, Trike does INSANE damage even as a Juvi and easily can gain dibble weight in matters of a hour. I've grown a Trike and only got full diets once and it shot me up to 500 in weight and I stopped there, even without diets I grew extremely fast and could kill most things in game. Thats what I mean when I say its to easy even without diets.

[knotty solar]

It grows fast cause of the Juvie growth system carnvis have the same thing as I said rexs are gonna grow fast you tell me now they won't but just watch they will

[frail prawn]

If people had to FIGHT for their food not only to grow but to stay alive? Then there'll be actual self population control of Apex herbivores and a healthy wearyness of other herbivores, which also gives carnivores a chance to actually hunt without interference.

[frail prawn]

You dont seem to understand, carnivores will ALWAYS have that looming threat of starvation if they dont make a kill or find something, it'll ALWAYS be a looming threat no matter the species, herbivores simply dont have that, they got the buddy system and grass. Only threat to them is other bored herbivores and gangs of carnivores, but if you're MANY apex herbivores in a group there's literally no fear, even if some of y'all dont have your diets and a lick of food, because theres ALWAYS GRASS.

[knotty solar]

Take it away and you prob won't see a difference ngl as I said my pax of 15 last night didn't eat grass once so

[frail prawn]

Because the food spawns to much of a abundance in patrol zones and no one is fighting for it, give people a reason to fight for it like I dont know, making it far more punishing not to have diets? Like maybe even your health pool will drop drastically while also removing grass? If all you have is plants to eat and your growing something that needs to eat constantly, your gonna fight for that food or someone else will.

[knotty solar]

They they just buffed PZ so you know they won't cause they didn't have enough food im talking 1 trike could clear it so

[frail prawn]

And there you go, if it takes one trike to clear out a entire PZ then imagine if grass was gone and more trikes converged in one place? Someone is going to get hands because no one wants to starve.

Removing the ability to eat grass would be a big game changer in how herbivore players act, trust me on that.

Right now they're to friendly because there's never a threat of no food for them.

[frail prawn]

I'm telling you what tho, Evrima certainly has spoiled herbivore players compared to legacy days lol.

[cyan flame]

How so?

[frail prawn]

Because now there's no fear from starvation for them, they have no worries about maintaining diets if they truly dont want to because they still got all the strength of a perfect dieted one.

[cyan flame]

There's no malnutrition anymore?

[frail prawn]

There is but it does literal nothing besides the slight inconvenience of managing stamina, which is easily fixed by getting meta mutations like converting damage to stamina.

[cyan flame]

Huh, well, not up to date on what happens, maybe it's much less of a debuff these days

But I'm not sure that herbis were all that much more aggro back in legacy, or even before, when they used to eat entire trees

[frail prawn]

Thats the problem right there, herbivore players truly got it far to easy outside of occasionally getting attacked by carnies, there's no fear outside that, they could sit in a bush for how ever long needs be and just eat grass until they're adults.

If people truly wanted to they'd never have to enter a PZ or Migration and just sit in the far corner of the map and never interact with anyone, its just pure boredom that drives them to do it AFTER they've sit in a bush for several hours.

[cyan flame]

I saw some suggestion about making grazing just slow food/nutri drain, or some such, instead of giving food, that might help. Graze, get a temp buff, like with the gastro but opposite or so

[frail prawn]

It honestly should have never been introduced in the first place.

[cyan flame]

Eh, I don't think it's a bad idea or thing itself, just not done in the best way perhaps

[frail prawn]

Get people to attached to it because its obvious that its holding their hand to much.

[proud coral]

I agree that grazing needs to be redone, but removing it entirely feels a bit cheap.
I'm also biased against the removal of features as the first go-to option since that's just kinda lame.

[frail prawn]

Well if not removed then just smash it in the ground of all but uselessness then.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i agree with that, i think even large herbivores should be able to hide and not make noise, its part of the survival after all.

[cyan flame]

I think that suggestion would work, gives it a useful function without making you be unable to starve

[normal shuttle]

@coarse spruce but pain isn’t really correlated to damage one can suffer, right?

Pterosaurs were very fragile and

What purpose would that have from a gameplay perspective?

[coarse spruce]

Smaller headshot hitbox

also the weight being 45kg is what should make them fragile

rather than their body's build

[normal shuttle]

So any blows would just kill then really

Whether they have protection or not

[coarse spruce]

are you suggesting there's no point in giving homalocephale head damage resistance, or protoceratops? Because everything one shots them?

[normal shuttle]

Well yes but actually no, those are in a league where it would make sense against stuff like troodon and velo but at the same time small critter combat is so quick and zoomy that it would probably be pointless in homalo, and maybe it could pull some weight as proto

But ptera? Design wise why would it need that?

[coarse spruce]

the large head makes counterattacking a pecking ptera an easy feat

in addition to fighting amongst themselves

Not including juvi/subadults of other species of course

[agile flame]

@unique axle the game is meant to be "survival horror". That fish should terrify you, just as deinos terrify everything

[unique axle]

Yeah but its not fun when they spawn behind you and just instakill you. I dont mind players eating me but thats just dumb. Imagine growing for an hour just to get oneshot by a elite fish that spawned a second ago behind you

[agile flame]

Then don't stay slow in the water. One spawning right on top of you is a fluke, that doesn't happen all that often. If you're claiming it's happened several times, I'm more apt to believe you just weren't paying attention.

[unique axle]

You realize beipis regen stam by staying still or by swimming slowly?

[agile flame]

Yes

[unique axle]

https://tenor.com/view/disgusted-red-forman-that-'90s-show-eww-gross-gif-1197170447414145893

[agile flame]

It's meant to be dangerous. If you're regenning stam on the water, you're more likely to die, because you're slow

[unique axle]

I dont mind crocs eating me since its a player threat plus its fun in a frustrating way since its a player. But when a buggy AI does it its just frustrating in a dumb way

Bro how long have you played the isle i feel like youre new

imagine your a juvie raptor and regenning stam in a bush, then a boar spawns next to you that doesnt make sound ( elite fish dont) rushes you and oneshots you. ( they spawn next to you if youre in a small pond or river). Getting stalked and eaten by a player is fair but that isnt

[agile flame]

Buggy AI doesn;t mean you should be able to never die to AI. Beipi should be able to be eaten by legendary fish. Fix the spawns and locomotion, sure, but threats should exist.

Boars should be dangerous too.

[unique axle]

Small playables have enough threats as is

And what is a legendary fish?!

[agile flame]

Everything should be able to kill small playables. That's the whole point of the game. If you don;t like the thrill of being hunted, play something bigger.

Sorry, "elite". Same difference

[unique axle]

How many hours do you have on the game

I feel like you dont play beipi

[agile flame]

I've played beipi a handful of times
Jumpscaring people is fun

[unique axle]

Yeah try playing it as a main and see how annoying it is when youre in a populated location and elite fish keep spawning and silently killing you

[agile flame]

Sure, add some indicator, but they should still be able to eat you

[unique axle]

Crocs are a fun threat, so is everything else player controlled but AI being your main predator is just DULL and bad game design. It could be so much better

[agile flame]

Yup. It could be a lot better. I don;t think the solution is elites not being able to eat beipis

[unique axle]

Beipis already have a threat in the water and they are crocs

[agile flame]

Again, if it's small, it should be easy to kill, and easy to die. That's how I feel about it, and that's what I want when I play small dinos.

[unique axle]

Would be fun if the grow time wasnt an hour for something that a buggy AI just ruins lol

[agile flame]

The AI needs fixing, sure. But again, I disagree that less things should kill you.

We're kinda going in circles here, for something we seem to fundamentally disagree on.

[unique axle]

And this isnt even realistic, small critters always have something. Squirrels can climb, birds can fly., moles can burrow. But when youre a beipi in a pond or a small river you cant get rid of the elite fish except swapping location or dying

[agile flame]

If you can't outmaneuver an elite as a beipi, that's 100% a skill issue.

[unique axle]

Youre the one who tagged me and states your opinion as fact "the game is meant to be "survival horror". That fish should terrify you, just as deinos terrify everything"

[unique axle]

You can easily, but what then? you need to swap location

Its the same as if herrera had to constantly look on other branches to make sure something isnt instakilling it

[agile flame]

Just...keep avoiding it or move. I don;t see the problem. Snag your fish, get out of the water.

That's how I've grown my beipis

[unique axle]

Beipi is meant to live in the water mostly though, its not terrestrial except when nesting and its not meant to be

Do you live out the water with deinos too?

Then I get your point since your playstyle counteracts the issue completely, but its not the meant playstyle / the most fun at all

[agile flame]

I usually hide in tall grass right next to the shore when I'm idle with beipi, because that's where it's safe. I usually stay deep underwater with Deino, because that's where it's safe.

Their playstyles are nowhere close to being the same. Just because it swims and sees underwater well doesn;t mean you shoul always be on the water lol

[unique axle]

No hotspots have tall grass near the water. And lets just say beipi can hold its breath for 2-3 mins for a reason (if not more)

Its the most maneuverable in water by far too, and its clunky and weak on land

When you play ptera do you hide in the grass with it too and only fly when getting food?

[agile flame]

You can stay underwater as long as you need to grab a fish and get out lol

No, I sit somewhere high, because that's where it's safe lmao

Anyway, I don;t think either of us will convince each other. The AI should be fixed and more consistent and maybe more noticeable, but I don't think things should be less dangerous for any small playable, beipi included.

Yes, I tagged you, but I'm going back to the game.

[unique axle]

"You can stay underwater as long as you need to grab a fish and get out lol", this is herras playstyle, not beipis which is 10x more maneuverable and can hold breath 10x longer

[wooden agate]

good game sense

[unreal ridge]

are adult beipi's getting eaten by fish? wth?

last time i played beipi it was only babies

[normal shuttle]

Thanks

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message Mushrooms are to OP, growing herbi will be so easy if you could just sniff them.

[normal shuttle]

Git gud

[golden horizon]

exactly, herbis need to work for their mushrooms

[wooden agate]

i do think they should have a faint glow at night but thats about it

[normal shuttle]

nah

herbis have enough carnivores always on them

and carnis are getting sanctuary food too

I dont think they should be smelled but they're fine as it is imo and mushrooms are fine

the only real cases where it makes a difference are pachy, teno, hypsi and dryo. As well as galli or beipi

anything larger just gets a decent starter boost but they're on their own quickly

[golden horizon]

Its more like the other way around. Herbivors are hunting carnis now, also i dont think mushrooms should be sniffable either, they work fine atm

[normal shuttle]

how

what carnivore has the potential to hunt anything reliably and without ambushes other than teno and maybe pachy

the others are so easy to avoid or beat

[golden horizon]

Usually mixherding is tolerated on most servers, so they organize in large herbi packs with diffrent speed dinos and hunt herbivors

Also there is nothing for carnivors to do at sancts atm, so it would make sense herbivors should stay longer at sancts to give carnivors more time to hunt them

[golden horizon]

Is this confirmed ?'

[normal shuttle]

yes

the rats and bugs are gonna be juvenile food

so they're gonna have it just as easy

[golden horizon]

Where did you see this ?

[normal shuttle]

#isle-phase-three message

[golden horizon]

It doesnt say anything about them being in sancts

Its not confirmed then, just speculations

[normal shuttle]

because the devs have talked about it

here on discord

[golden horizon]

Well I can just say that they havent

[normal shuttle]

and I really do not feel like scrolling and browsing messages without a keyword

but they have

[golden horizon]

You're saying that

Never seen a dev say that

[normal shuttle]

[golden horizon]

You're acturly the only person i've seen say that

[normal shuttle]

are you nearly as active in this discord as I am

[golden horizon]

And unless you're a dev on alt account, i cant trust you

[normal shuttle]

"source????"

[desert arch]

Pretty sure it got mentioned in a devblog a couple months back

[normal shuttle]

bruh, anyone mildly aware can tell you

[normal shuttle]

there you go

[white elm]

Rat AI

[normal shuttle]

rat AI niche

[golden horizon]

Mr.Troodon is your source then ?

[normal shuttle]

not directly

[golden horizon]

So its confirmed now

gimme a min ill look through the prev devblogs

[normal shuttle]

but I am willing to trust the 20 people claiming that it is the case when they are far more active than I, read the devblogs from start to finish and ask the devs frequently whenver Kissen feels like showing up

[golden horizon]

You know why its just doesnt make sense?

The devs never promises anything, they always say "it's subject to change"

[normal shuttle]

[golden horizon]

The critters might not even come as far as i know

[normal shuttle]

so I guess they just made the rat and insect AI to be eaten just by austros and troodons I guess

[normal shuttle]

they dont promise ETAs, but things in phase 3 are very much things that are coming soon or late

[lilac bolt]

here's something

[golden horizon]

Which devblog is that

[lilac bolt]

devblog 53

[golden horizon]

Wow that was some time ago

[normal shuttle]

official confirmation of carnivore juvenile food to make their life easier

[golden horizon]

No wonder I havent heard about them in a minute

You sure they havent forgotten about them, cause there havent been anything about them in the prev devblogs ?

[normal shuttle]

there has been no mention about magy, anky, minmi, acro, brachi, homalo, mono, rugops...Do you think they have forgotten about them?

[golden horizon]

There are 3 diffrent types of critter rats, dragonfly and grasshopper, so maybe each of them give diffrent diet ?

[normal shuttle]

Or droughts, no mention of those in devblogs anywhere for a while

[normal shuttle]

or maybe they are all like shrooms

and give all three

[golden horizon]

Idk i just think its one of those "wait and see" moments

[wooden agate]

dont forget rats, and how human bases are going to be kinda be carni sancs with em

[golden horizon]

Honestly I thought the juvie herbis at sancts were the only food meant for juvie carnivors

[normal shuttle]

nah, that would be far too reliant on luck

[golden horizon]

I did remember the small critters, but tought it was just smaller AI like crabs, frogs and stuff

[normal shuttle]

since herbis may or may not be there, and top of that they are only there for like 20% of their growth on average

[thick summit]

@wooden compass maia is built to run

cera is supposed to be slow

[golden horizon]

yeah maybe the the waste from the humans will attracts rats

[wooden compass]

bro I play cera solo the herbi chase me endlessly it makes no sense

[white elm]

#general-feedback message Cera is far more agile than Maia. If you go in a jungle you can lose it easily, since it can't dodge around the trees well. Also Maia's swim speed just got obliterated, a Cera could easily outswim it and get away.

[valid delta]

Size does not equal running speed. There are many other factors.

[thick summit]

just shake them off in the jungle

[normal shuttle]

@wooden compass you are completely ignoring game design and the roles of dinosaurs. Maia is built for running, whereas cera is a brawler/corpse bully, which most definitely shouldnt have adult maias as a reliable food source

like it just flew over your head with the clown emoji and all

[wooden compass]

typical reponse of herbi player

[valid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/edgy-so-edgy-edgy-guy-gif-12025224

[white elm]

There's more to escaping things than shift + W in a straight line, if you play smart you can escape a maia

[thick summit]

cera players when they can't maul everything and outrun it easily

[normal shuttle]

you are infinitely more agile than a maia. You should only worry about teno really and that one is avoidable too. There's more to this game's combat or fleeing than trading hits or running away in a straight line in the open

[normal shuttle]

typical attempt at a strawman argument when met with a reaosnable argument that is also what the devs have proclaimed, since this is a game where dinosaurs are built for different things and size has never been directly proportional to speed...

[valid delta]

It's also not without realism. Humans are slower than both rabbits and tigers despite significant size differences in both directions.

[wooden compass]

You're way off the mark, how do you want to escape from 4 Maia or 6 Teno chasing you? You can dodge or hide, but he exhausts my stamina every time because he chases me for more than 10 minutes.

[valid delta]

A good first step is to not get that close to them if you can help it.

[normal shuttle]

if you are outnumbered, then stealth and being aware of your surroundings is key.

like not running into the open like a madman even as a carno if you don't know if there coud be a group of 8 omnis just chilling at the other side of a small hill

game sense and situational awareness are what keep you alive the most in this game

[thick summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1339097089753481256/IMG_2627.gif

[normal shuttle]

nah man cera is fine

it's just the new players really. They got a lot to learn behind all that mald

[thick summit]

not yet

esp not HT cera

99% bleed resistance

[normal shuttle]

I play cera and like it quite a bit, but man is it overused

[valid delta]

And isn't it enough that Cera is already one of the most dangerous in the game? How much more dangerous is it supposed to be?

[normal shuttle]

maybe a bit exaggerated...

[thick summit]

Cera needs its slide back

[wooden compass]

bro I have a lot of time I know how to play games and be discreet but what I wanted to say is that if teno or maia decide to chase you endlessly you will end up losing

[thick summit]

and it's fine

[normal shuttle]

but honestly I really wish the raging scrubs and bad suggestions have an impact and they nerf cera to the ground

[valid delta]

Cera can also bite a Maia, causing a bleed and vomit. If a Maia then wants to chase you for 10 minutes it will be called dinner.

[thick summit]

@woeful latch tell them

[normal shuttle]

you wont because maia gets outmaneuvered like crazy and if teno tries chasing you, it's gonna run out of stam and lose the fight at the hands on a mildly skilled cera

[thick summit]

I love Ceratosaurus as an animal and will play it once they nerf it. Even if they butcher it

[normal shuttle]

I really dont want it to become legacy cera

it was like the worst playable there

90% bleed weakness lmao

and gets caught by allo no matter what

[wooden compass]

go on norden take 1 cera and my and my friend come with 8 teno and see me how do you play or escape lol

[normal shuttle]

I am only accounting for 1v1s because that is exactly how the game is balanced

grouping is inherently unbalanced since it is completely optional and might not always be available

cera 1v1 can either escape or fight a teno just fine

[wooden compass]

i talk for group is broken but 1V1 cera vs teno is easy

[molten marsh]

honest question and maybe for ppl that are no trike haters, how are the new animations for the trike so far, i didnt play it cuz i decided for myself to only play it again if sparring comes out

[normal shuttle]

and like...no wonder, sherlock. if you get seen by 4 tenos there's very little you can do to survive other than losing them in the jungle or something. And that applies to all matchups, not just cera

[normal shuttle]

looks a lot better and more natural now

[golden horizon]

@wooden compass You're right if a teno and maia is chasing you on solo cera, there isn't much you can, like there isnt much you can do if you're getting chased by 2 carnos as solo omni

Its just gg

[normal shuttle]

and making cera faster would also encroach other playables. Like for example, imagine you buffed cera to 42kph

now it's a problem for teno if it is seen by 2-3 ceras

[golden horizon]

rip pachies

[normal shuttle]

absolutely

[molten marsh]

oh wow thanks its good to know the anims, arent gonna stay like before

[wooden compass]

yeah its true

[golden horizon]

Best thing is to find other ceras

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[wooden compass]

xD

[normal shuttle]

grouping really isnt going to be fixed unless you force people into groups or into being alone. As long as it remains as a player choice (which should), it will be unbalanced

there is not much rex is gonna do against 2-3 gigas, or a stego vs 2 rexes. Or 10 troodons spotting a single pachy in the open.

if you try to account for groups, balance is left in shambles

[normal shuttle]

I personally always cannibalize them. True population control

[golden horizon]

Just what i think when i see 20 wilds dogs shred an impala to bits and pieces

Its almost always bigger numbers win

[woeful latch]

no, it’s not..

[normal shuttle]

No, I mean that those numbers feel too high than they should

not that it is hyperbole

I am fine with cera maybe having 80-85

but 99 is crazy

[woeful latch]

that’s ridiculous

no animal should have that

cera already had 50% outside of body and 50% more with the body nearby. it doesn’t need passive 99% bleed resistance

[normal shuttle]

an defensive animal specialized on fighting other animals from a fraction where literally all of them except two cause bleed is udnerstandable

(the carnivore roster)

and it's gonna need it more with allo honestly

[woeful latch]

it should run from an allo

[normal shuttle]

not from a young one

[woeful latch]

it should have bleed resistance fighting with the body, not always

[normal shuttle]

or a group of ceras should be able to bully one allo off a corpse

[woeful latch]

HEY SISLANADERS

[normal shuttle]

agreed, although I would also do some tweaks to body buff

[woeful latch]

another patch wait a second

[normal shuttle]

because it feels at times like it doesnt trigger when it should

[woeful latch]

nvm it’s performance patch

[normal shuttle]

like when fighting carnos as they just dart away to charge and you dont get the buff

[woeful latch]

it always does tho

[normal shuttle]

the better the performance, the sooner we get the content

[normal shuttle]

does it? when does it trigger or how does it work? because I feel like I dont get it at times

[woeful latch]

that’s why it’s a body buff, stay near the body

[woeful latch]

like 50m around the body

[normal shuttle]

no, the damn carnos

[gusty flax]

@wooden compass #general-feedback message and cera can solo both lol

[normal shuttle]

they run away to charge and I stop chuffing

and it's so cringe

[woven bane]

50% in general is fine, just too much atm

[normal shuttle]

not for long

at this point just leave it as it is

[woeful latch]

yeah, that’s what i’m saying, it’s scaling modifier with its health, but having permanent bleed resistance and being 99% at the same time is..

[woven bane]

why tho lol

[unreal ridge]

@foggy zinc stego and maia should stay on troodons diet
trike should also get added
troodon is really good at taking down big fat stuff

10 troodons pounce 6 times per troodon, stego dead
10 troodons pounce 10 times per troodon, trike dead
10 troodons pounce 4 times per troodon, maia dead
etc etc

combo that with the skill of some players, troodon is a giant slayer

[wooden agate]

"nerf maia speed" ITS ALREADY SLOWER THAN CERA UNTIL 60% IN HT 😭😭😭

[summer geode]

@pliant elm

I main carno, and here's my suggestion-

Fix diet- add Dilo back to lipids, remove maia. Perhaps add goat as well.

Increase speed- as it stands right now "the fastest theropod ever found" is barely faster than a juvi rex (stats may change) only when charging with a speed mutation.

Speed = more charge damage

Then add a chance to fracture, based on relative speed, but only after long charges.

Example- if your speed relative to mine is 0, then I have a 100% chance to fracture after charging for 5+ seconds and slamming into your body.

That'd cement carno as a a small game hunter who focuses on speed and charging.

Currently lipids don't exist and the charge is used for tail hits 90% of the time.

[summer geode]

Because the body buff also takes body size into account.

You won't get the full buff over a dead rabbit...

[wooden compass]

on hordetest yeah but now in evrima freshspawn maia 38kmh

[normal shuttle]

I was next to 3 dead deinos and a carno corpse I just killed

so it is laughable that I just stop chuffing against opponents like carno

[summer geode]

If they touch it at all then the buff goes bye bye

[normal shuttle]

that's cringe

but hey now I know

[summer geode]

Cera is supposed to be a body bully.

If you get bullied off a body, then it's not yours anymore lol

That's the logic behind the body down buff

That's why a good carno will try and grab a chunk or drag the body for a second or so

[normal shuttle]

having a fresh spawn eating from the body 😭 😭

[summer geode]

Bait cera away > teammate lunges in, grabs a bite > body buff goes bye bye

[normal shuttle]

that's mega cringe regardless but I suppose it has its logic

[summer geode]

Cera are cannibals for a reason lmao

No one plays them that way however, as food is plentiful

[normal shuttle]

yeah I murdered the guy two times in a row

I play cera as a hardcore cannibal

ceras are a priority target

[summer geode]

That's why when you have a 4 man pack and you all are eating, it's easy to randomly start chuffing. You are basically tossing the body buff around without noticing

[summer geode]

I play carno and genocide all ceras/raptors/dilos/troos 🙂

[unreal ridge]

why dont we just put a damn cooldown on cera's charge bite im sick of just constantly hearing it scream and be able to deal 300+ damage by holding rmb without nearly any delay

[normal shuttle]

same though

Although I am just hyper aggressive with everything overall

[summer geode]

Give it a stamina cost for charging + holding it.

Problem solved

[normal shuttle]

nah, stam cost would be too much especially vs teno

I think slowing them down would work better

and no cooldown

[summer geode]

I avoid large herbs because carno is nerfed, but everything else is fair game.

[unreal ridge]

I wish they kept the little follow through the attack had when cerato released

[normal shuttle]

no didnt mean stam cost

anything that limits its operation

[normal shuttle]

tbf carno has no damn business going for anything larger than a teno, and even then that's pushing it a lot in a 1v1

[unreal ridge]

once cera released the bite it would do a little lunge forward, slowing it down for a second so you couldnt constantly spam it while chasing stuff or youd eventually fall behind faster trying to land bites

also it just made it more unique imo

[normal shuttle]

maybe that could return alongside the slide that made it in fact more defensive

but I am totally against cooldowns or stam costs for an ability like that

[unreal ridge]

I dont want it to slow cerato down because that hinders its ability to deal with something like allo

i think the follow through is the way to go because it provides an opening if your properly dodge and make cera whiff

like dodging a mobile alt attack

[summer geode]

Small game hunter with a horrible diet and a kit that doesn't work/isn't used as intended most of the time

See my above carno comment for my suggestions to reinforce its niche

[normal shuttle]

that could be better

I dont cera nerfed to the ground. Everyone is just malding really 😭

[unreal ridge]

cera shouldnt be nerfed into the ground, it fits its niche perfectly atm

as annoying as cera is, its probably the most well made dinosaur for the particular "bully" niche its going for

i guess you want a bully to be annoying now that i think about it

[woven bane]

cera is doing the opposite of intended

it ain’t bullying over a corpse its bullying in general

[unreal ridge]

well yeah thats because it has nobody to keep it in its place

as soon as allo rolls up cera is going to be more restricted in gameplay

[mint hazel]

#general-feedback message

.... what

i think herbivores have enough ways to stun as is, why are we giving them sound stuns as well lmfao

[latent olive]

if I could clown react this guy I would

[agile flame]

We should give stego a spammable spinning attack, with 500% damage boost.

https://tenor.com/view/cbt-helicopter-spin-helicopter-spin-gif-27236721

That wouldn;t be aids at all

Honestly if they just added broken stuff like that for 4/1 I wouldn;t be mad at all

[tall hearth]

The only upvote is themselves

[indigo gulch]

Did it get deleted?

I cant see it

[latent olive]

basically someone asking for cerato to be faster than Maia and tenonto

I’m guessing he deleted it himself because of the mass downvoting

[indigo gulch]

Bruh

It’s still visible through you🤣

Buffing cera because it’s slower than some sprinting dinos is crazy tho

[wooden agate]

ok?

what does that have to do with maia getting steamrolled by pretty much everything in HT until its functionally FG

yay! we made it kick faster!

now we absolutely destroy the survivability of the juveniles and sub adults

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

now ptera will be one shot with less overkill

#general-feedback message

5

a lot of playable can’t even take 1, and five isn’t a small number of hits anyway.

Seems kinda like a skill issue ngl

#general-feedback message

@mint sonnet I forget which one but at least one sanctuary has a place you can fall a decent height from too.

I fell off it and took damage (I don’t think I broke anything since I was a tiny beipi), but it really added to the annoyance of stumbling around blind

[past crystal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1349910448241381486
@eternal moss what do you mean? this is a work of art

🍎

having a short tree with fruits on it would be really nice

protein tree..

[eternal moss]

ty, but it could be better if i was actually drawing it irl on paper😅 😭

[past crystal]

kek

[icy lion]

@maiden trellis We have a compass

[maiden trellis]

Useless without knowing where you are

[icy lion]

Learning the map takes time

Don't need to use an external map to use the compass

[maiden trellis]

Do need an external map to learn where you are on it.

you can't learn a map you can't see.

[icy lion]

You can, by repeatedly visiting locations

[maiden trellis]

So why have coordinates at all?

[icy lion]

You can use coordinates without having a map, they're useful for finding other players

[maiden trellis]

On a...say it with me....map.

[icy lion]

Reread my previous message

[limber hull]

I don’t use maps ever. Coordinates are still valuable without them. I prefer the sense of discovery and immersion, and would rather not have that broken with the addition of a map revealing those niche little landmarks that reward exploring off the beaten path

[maiden trellis]

Just getting tired of spawning in East Lake, leaving because there's literally NO food, only to die in the wastelands surrounding it because I can't find any other water besides the ocean.

There's not even other players to whom I can suicide.

And because I don't know which way I'm going or how far, I just drown myself every time I spawn there.

[indigo gulch]

You can match coordinates without a map. I did it with before there was an active gateway map

[maiden trellis]

Which takes a long time as a croc

Well it is definitely an excellent gateway to keep people from wanting to play, if that's the intent.

very effective.

Spend 2-300 hours dying and you'll get the hang of it. Quite the sales pitch.

I'm not asking to be able to fly, i just want to know which branch of the river (out of the 100s) I'm in so I can know if i'm headed, roughly, toward a destination I heard someone else talk about.

I realize this is falling on deaf eyes, but it's how I feel. I'm clearly in the overwhelming minority, but people could also NOT use the map if they want. Hell it could be a toggle or something in the menu.

[heady geode]

@foggy zinc
“why is stego and Maia on the list”
“I focus on killing juvis and babies”
Answered your own question, Maia babies taste good!!

[quiet zodiac]

I need help

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

imma be honest everyone hating on this but zombies having eat to heal as their gimmick and no one else is unfathomably based

pretty sure zombies already come with automatic eat to heal

[cedar flax]

I dont like the eat to heal mutation i think its to meta like if u dont choose it ur at a disadvantage but i think it works for zombies

also the developers say they dont want it to be a pvp game i but i feel like that the eat to heal mutation completely goes against that

i didnt play as a zombie my self but im pretty sure they slowly die over time so they kind of need eat to heal

[limber hull]

no you're right. it's completely meta

and yea, it works on zombies. zombies CONSTANTLY drain health, and iirc, do actually restore it from eating, so it just means that this meta mutation is balanced out by the fact that zombies are only an event/community thing, and they constantly DRAIN that health

[cedar flax]

yes sir

[covert tiger]

why are we pretending that this is a maia problem?
all juvies get steamrolled by everything else, except trike cause its growth curve is absurd and needs to be changed asap

[gritty heart]

That’s not quite true.

Juvi beipi is extremely functional (I would argue the only real change beipi gets is just getting the mutation slots).

[limber hull]

in addition to what was said before

juvi ptera is no less functional than adult ptera

juvi galli has near infinite stam AND equal speed to adults, so in some ways, it's BETTER than its adult variant

there's certainly cases where some juvis are as if not more viable than adult variants

[ancient kestrel]

There will be some sort of map according to the lead dev but it would be attached to scent. It will reveal itself while you exploring (probably it'sa fog of war mechanic). But for now it's not priority

[frank tapir]

beipi can't pick up crabs until it hits a certain growth

[gritty heart]

Early growth sanctuary is most optimal anyways, and it’s a good time to see if you can eat plants etc to get those diets up.

Crabs and schooling give the same diet anyways (which I don’t think they should but oh well), and schooling fish aren’t that rare so it’s hardly much of an issue. Crabs are more useful if you go oceanic/are really hungry and an adult

[thick summit]

Omni for example

It has tonnes of stamina as a juvi

As sub it has less stamina but is way faster than an adult

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @barren zephyr because they aren't even done testing trike yet

[white elm]

The "herbi op" crowd never gets old

[wooden agate]

you should check balance feedback

[white elm]

Incredible

I GUARANTEE you if Rex was released before trike there would be no complaints about it being uncontested

I wonder why

[flat flume]

I mean it will be uncontested before they release them together in hordetesting (Not a complaint I am happy with how things are)

[thick summit]

Because big carnivore scary and cool!

Big carnivore kill herbivore

Herbivore not cool because herbivore no kill

Literally their mentality

[white elm]

Rex steamrolling every playable in the game is fine because it's a carnivore, trike steamrolling every playable in the game is not fine because it's a herbivore

[thick summit]

Gosh I hope rex has to ambush in order to take down trike

I want the rex players to cry in balance feedback

They should make the large defensive herbivores slower but even more powerful

(Me when the defensive animal can defend itself)

[frank tapir]

anky

[acoustic spruce]

@modest dock idk the in game version looks normal to me, the one in the skin editor isn’t accurate

[wooden agate]

^ its only in the skin creator where it looks like that iirc

odd but not the end of the world

[woven bane]

i’ve seen more herbivore biased people around here than carni ones lol

[modest dock]

Idk skin creator version should be fixed like the game version then :/ i'm not playing ht currently cause i'm waiting for trike spar to be added but i still see that mess in skin creator makes me thinks that its still a little bit broken

[livid ember]

Its not the skin creator.

Idk why they brought it back because it was fixed for some time when trike was only in skin creator

No way trike lives with head this high and yeah its a bit too small

[modest dock]

Oh i see ty for the in game screenshot indeed its breaking its neck rn, may i have your permission to use your screenshot for future reupload of my suggestion ? 🙏

[livid ember]

Yeah

[modest dock]

Ty , i appreciate it 😆

[livid ember]

It really looks like trike's head was bigger during WIP animations and its stance was better
Why did devs change it🫠

[normal shuttle]

Carnivore mains with 50 hours at the game when herbivores are competent

The virgin pack hunter ceratosaurus player vs the chad lone maiasaura enjoyer

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message @bleak kestrel they do spawn on some of the beaches

[bleak kestrel]

Oh i never saw one actually

Like i seen sea turtles only

[frank tapir]

might just be a hordetest thing, it was the first time I'd seen them there

[bleak kestrel]

My suggestion still kinda stand i think crabs should be more common than turtles

[manic spoke]

Cheating Teal Raptor West Rail Access AU 3

[frank tapir]

wrong channel and you're not allowed to say locations

[manic spoke]

My bad first time wheres thread ?

[frank tapir]

#evrima-au message

[modest dock]

Idk but that one was better

Near perfection actually

Posture, head size was great looking

Now in ht currently its not trash but the posture is almost horse-like, and why sitting on that while we know they already made a better version of it ? Just bring it back

[junior nymph]

@pine bone the NV on the HT is bugged

[pine bone]

where was it mentioned?

[junior nymph]

the devs have said it

mainly kissen

[thick summit]

Possibly

#general-feedback message

@modest dock it's not really the head size

It's just the posture

The head looks smaller due to the weird posture

When they fixed it before they enabled trike it looked way better and the head didn't look that small either

[normal shuttle]

Bruh

Don’t say that to me

Nor the cool people around

[urban flax]

Islecord, where wanting herbivores to stand a chance against their predators is being herbivores biased

The game is kinda forced to heavily favor herbivores unless we want a population of 90% carnivores tbh

[gritty heart]

Yeah, current herbivores like stego dibble and trike really suffer against troodons (we need more troodon nerfs)

See the issue is any herbivore that isn’t above average in power doesn’t get played anyways (dryo)

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message why instead of asking to upgrade the anti cheat/replace it with another one, or just doing literally anything else people are suggesting to remove regional prices? lmao

i think people just don’t understand how much 20$ can be in some countries

[gritty heart]

More specifically, I mean that because only the really good herbivores get seen a lot, herbivores as a whole receive that reputation

[desert arch]

I genuinely cant tell if this is supposed to be bait, sarcasm, a joke, or an actual opinion.

[vivid mason]

DIBBLE? 😭

[gritty heart]

I haven’t been playing the ht much so if they mauled it there I pity their players

When I picked up main branch dibble I legitimately found it extremely easy to learn and play. But like I said that wasn’t on the current ht

I killed a lot of people without stressing too much, and only finally died in a duel with another dibble

[desert arch]

I just dont get what kind of dibble, stego and trike players youre seeing who are dying to troodons 😭

[gritty heart]

Oh that part, yeah that was sarcasm.

[woeful latch]

i thought that was obvious, potato😭😭😭

tho i would actually consider hunting stegos and dibbles after the stam buff

no the real challenge is to find friends to hunt with🔥🔥🔥

[desert arch]

Ive seen people here genuinely have that opinion

Not gonna call names, but those kind of people exist

[woeful latch]

👀

[past crystal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1350115425366835362
@pure jungle are you sure NV is on..? i see no green outlines

[mild isle]

#general-feedback message

weren’t they going to add nesting zones back? (I remember there being nesting zones at some point)

Could be a cool thing to make into a nesting zone, but migration zone works fine as well

[woven bane]

islecord explaining why herbivores should be easy to grow, don’t have to worry about a core element in survival and should have the number advantage:

jokes aside i see more people being herbivore biased nowadays, the moment you suggest a reasonable nerf to one you get hit with the “#eatgrassanddie” or “you want herbivores to be defenseless”

[mild isle]

It still feels weird seeing people like herbivores so much when I’ve always been under the impression carnivore was fan favorite

[past crystal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1350130149936599133
@bleak kestrel this could be really cool as a 3rd mutation, maybe
like how there's mutations in the 2nd slot that are limited, 3rd mutations could be unique to the playable and also limited to one to three options

[bleak kestrel]

Eh idk

That exchange mutation should be selectable any time in my opinion

It will be very niche and cost you something

[past crystal]

i still think it'd be much better as a 3rd slot if it were to ever happen

there has to be some sort of 'regular' for all players in the game, it'd be too unpredictable for someone to have a crazy build like that at any stage of life

[bleak kestrel]

Eh maybe but like i think it would be nice if you could choose it at any time

[past crystal]

plus having it only in the 3rd slot would limit it to one

[bleak kestrel]

I mean could work as reward for growing your dino

[past crystal]

exactly

it would help a bit more with people deciding on what build they want to use -
for instance, if you spawn in northwest, but somehow end up in swamp by your third mutation, then you could get a swimming mutation
most people will want to use the 2nd mutation to choose one of the limited 2nd muts

so basically it's a thing of 'do i want to have this immediately or at 100%'

and those mutations seem a bit too powerful to have at 0%, especially if they affect speed

[bleak kestrel]

Eh i guess

Also another idea is with ptero

Where ptero would also be better swimmer but not as good at flying

[past crystal]

ptera you mean?

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah

[past crystal]

i cant imagine a situation where a ptera would want to swim

[bleak kestrel]

Eh i guess but semi aquatic pterosauroid would be nice

[past crystal]

that's your fifth 'eh' lmao

[bleak kestrel]

Oh didint notice lol

[past crystal]

semiaquatic flying dinosaur? naaaah

[bleak kestrel]

Rhamphorhynchus

Its smaller. Weaker

[past crystal]

that is one tiny dinosaur

hypsi level tiny

[bleak kestrel]

Could be up sized to 20kg

[past crystal]

having something that can both fly and swim would be rather OP in the isle

people would definitely abuse that to scout

[bleak kestrel]

They already do

[winter kite]

thats right most time u see petry hes scouting

[past crystal]

right, but being able to scout into water to see if it's safe would be overkill

at least mixpackers with the scouts are vulnerable to deinos

with how small the rhamp would be, a deino probably wouldn't even notice it dropping in to scout to see if the water was safe

[winter kite]

yeah could be notices as frog if it´s noticed 😄

[past crystal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1350134889860825168
@tame jetty the issue with trike trot is that it could literally walk down a stego - stego's trot was slower than trike

if trike is faster than stego, then there would legitimately be no reason to play stego. they're both slow, massive, heavy-hitting dinosaurs

[tough vault]

100% agree

[tame jetty]

Even if trike is faster walk than stego, or if it was reveresed- i wouldnt give a care in world tbh. I personally dont like stego and favor trike for its looks and mechanics. People will just play what they like... Why would someone that like stego suddenly stop playing it just because trike walk faster if they like stego more??
If the stego come close to ungrouped trike, and trike is showing aggression that it doesnt want it there, or guarding it bush or young. Stego should leave, or shouldn't have gone close to a ungrouped trike to begin with

[limber hull]

want a reason? its because stego doesnt have any opportunity to leave without getting mauled to death

either accept your fate or prolong it, but trike WILL trot you down

that was, at least, with the old stamina and trot

[tame jetty]

Then devs should start to add a auto-walk key option like done with stam and shift. Because walking for hours on this slow phase.. is starting to take a toll.. And nobody want to camp a spot for ages/or want their prey to camp a spot for ages and never come other spots ect

[limber hull]

doesnt solve the issue lol

if your outtrotted and killed, not much you can do about it

[tame jetty]

I mean if they keep this slow bad speed of walking and throt.
Because its taking ages to get to places, specially when you need to always save your stamina for special occations because 'dangers can come any minute as a survival game offer ofc' and the 'stamina system being so punishing it is' so, cant spend it only for travel and be caught in a tricky spot with 30% stam left or smth.

[limber hull]

i mean

you did sign up for playing triceratops

i hope you werent expecting the pinnacle of speed lol

[tame jetty]

the throt and walking speed was fine, fast enough and slow enough.
But people keep treating the game as pure death machine apparently and think they need to kill every trike and stego on planet or? since that is even a problem lol

[past crystal]

herbis killing herbis is a major problem on officials, so much so that i will avoid playing long grow dinos on officials

[limber hull]

if a trike wants to kill a stego, and its realy easy to kill a stego, it will kill a stego. its in the devs best interest to prevent that outcome

you cant balance around idealism, because that's not how the game works

[tame jetty]

if a stego kept it distance from a trike tho, it would walk, or run away just fine?

[past crystal]

no. if a trike really wants to, it will catch up to a stego, and there's nothing the stego can do about it

[woeful latch]

this is fair, low rules unofficials generally provide you with better experience

[past crystal]

yea, i've enjoyed a few unofficials lately. lack of mixpacking and admins getting after hackers much quicker has been nice

[tame jetty]

I cant wait for rex to be slow too then, so he doesnt catch the stego lol.

[past crystal]

i can't tell if this is ragebait or no

[tame jetty]

even though i dont really understand why they need to balance around stego, when stego will be replaced by kentro anyway

[past crystal]

kentro's going to be much smaller than stego

[tame jetty]

yeah, and he will be speedy lil thing and just ''BYE you fat thing!''

stego will be history when kentro comes

[past crystal]

then one could argue there's no need for trike because dibble's in the game

you got some weird ideologies my guy

[tame jetty]

why?

Devs did say they switching kentro for stego so.. stego is being taken out

[mild isle]

It’s like giga on legacy trotting down Rex lol

[past crystal]

stego was never confirmed to be removed from the game

[mild isle]

Steph isn’t getting removed 😞

Stego* uh

[past crystal]

the elusive dinosaur... steph

[tame jetty]

who has better stam, trike or stego?

[past crystal]

unsure

even if stego has better stam, it doesn't make sense for a trike to be able to trot it down

you're playing an enormous apex that does 600 damage WITHOUT consuming stamina

[desert arch]

Trike is insanely more stam efficient, especially in combat

[past crystal]

stego requires stamina for every attack except its bite

[tame jetty]

stego do more dmg than trike..

[past crystal]

❌

[tame jetty]

a person said stego do 1000 on the charge tail x.x

[desert arch]

And trike can stunlock stego, so does it even matter lmao

[past crystal]

probably with a running swing..

it only oneshots with a headshot

[tame jetty]

how is stego losing to that much dmg when trike only do 600

[desert arch]

Alt swing is 1250, standing power swing is 1800, running power swing is 2250

The out of stam swing is 900

[past crystal]

600 is its main attack when standing still. we're not even counting the charge, alt attack, or any of its unknown sparring moves

[past crystal]

with a headshot*

[desert arch]

No thats 1x multiplier

[past crystal]

really? how on earth did that cera survive then

where are these stats coming from

[mild isle]

Built different

[desert arch]

Stegos can nearly 1 shot each other to the head with a running power swing lmao

[tame jetty]

I've always been wondering this too

[desert arch]

Tested them myself on an admin server

[past crystal]

fair enough

to be fair to stego's stats, the thing's attacks can be hard to land, and if baited can be pretty bad

trike will have the head damage reduction..

[ancient kestrel]

Nah. Nerf dryo - it's OP.

[modest dock]

Honestly i would be fine if they would fix only the posture. But the head is indeed a bit smaller than it used to be and should be between 1 up to 5% bigger to be accurate. It would definitely be perfection

Not only good but perfect

[sly haven]

I know this is hindsight but I feel like Allo should have released way back along with Stego instead of carno

It’s the most generalized carni in the game after all

[ancient kestrel]

Which isn't in the game*

[past crystal]

having the strongest carnivore in the game be something that doesnt rot all its food and eat everything would be nice
can't tell you how many times i've killed something, eaten a bit, gotten water, and come back to see only bones left, or even nothing. not fun

plus, they can just keep eating forever..

[modest dock]

Not sure about that, the goal was to make a smaller tier roster by the time, the real mistake was to put stego instead of kentro who was fitting it much better

Stego and allo should have been released the same way trike and rex are

[sly haven]

Honestly there’s a lot of questionable choices made regarding the release order of playables

Even Deino being added so early was…strange

[past crystal]

eh, if not deino it would be something else

they likely needed some water playable that would be semipopular so they could work out any bugs with water issues

beipi, while fun, isn't that popular..

[mild isle]

I think the release of deino is what got many players off of legacy too

[past crystal]

true

[modest dock]

(baryonyx)

[ancient kestrel]

So as ceras/deinos can eat forever

[modest dock]

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-the-isle-evrima-baryonyx-gif-13573649575850578535

[mild isle]

I don’t think bary would’ve been as popular

[ancient kestrel]

Well deino was fine cause it serves as map hazard

[modest dock]

Idk to be honest sure deino was a marketing choice and added a new atmosphere to the rivers

So its not rly bad

[past crystal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1350148326690914315
@inner sphinx it's in HT

[ancient kestrel]

Deino really added a lot to the horror part of the game

You always feel some tension when come to water

[dawn hound]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1349704733215948903 @sharp cargo I saw a guy on youtube mention that there could be a system where a certain tiny herbivore (i forgor name) could transfer pollen to other areas and make plant growth larger.

[past crystal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1350152003115946076
absolutely! this would make gameplay much more engaging
the cera would likely go in for one bite or two, and hang back and pursue it like a carnivore should
this way the prey can decide whether to fight or flight, too

[inner sphinx]

oh i didnt knew that
nice

[past crystal]

river currents are also in HT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1344430704074686494/The_Isle_2025.02.24_-_13.31.31.01.mp4?ex=67d5516a&is=67d3ffea&hm=dde30a3a15510064449f1173b6f5329cddaed903f69312d0db03f552a5165553&

[indigo gulch]

Me whenever I see anything they post tbh

Or downvote

[indigo gulch]

It’s harder to find enough in order TO keep eating forever as deino🤣

[woeful latch]

same, honestly, but i still respect all opinions 😭🤘

[indigo gulch]

most, ye

[grizzled matrix]

Good game design

[indigo gulch]

Smh it's clearly clipping, that deino should be released by now

[wooden agate]

trike stunlocks stego, has insane damage reduction to the head, and could outtrot stego and just murder it

it wasnt impossible to get away from but it was close

[gritty heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/1350176420680171751/nlke60aawxx11.jpg?ex=67d5c947&is=67d477c7&hm=30884d288607345f7f4110f979ce7d5bd7bc75db8b8f6caf232cce3fe40ea6a5&

liking it just because it’s cute ah

Woops, meant to link the post xD

#general-feedback message

[heady geode]

Did somebody say carrying your children

[stray rover]

i cant get in the isle idk why it keeps frezzing

[mild isle]

Not the spot, #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 mayb

[topaz vapor]

can u share ur gamesettings?

[sour lagoon]

why is nv in hordetest so bad?

[agile flame]

Suffering

[past crystal]

gamma on, dlss performance, every non restart setting on medium or high, restart settings on high, view distance max

turned most things to medium recently (restart settings still high) and view distance to 2nd highest, game runs at 120 fps now

shadows seem to impact performance the most

[ancient kestrel]

But yet again Rex will struggle with that much more than deino cause latter have lesser food drain

[topaz vapor]

thx

[vital laurel]

@summer stepperex isnt even out, chill out

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

it already has most playables on its diet and can just puke on bodies to get diet from them even if the animal isnt on the diet. theres no point @zenith pagoda

[icy lion]

@toxic warren #evrima-na #evrima-ca #evrima-eu #evrima-au #evrima-sa

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[zenith pagoda]

considering ceratosaurus is called "the body bully" or sum like that, if it can eat everything like bones and rotten meat, you'd prob expect it have more playables on its diet like boar, maia, trike. It shouldn't be " if it can't hunt it, it shouldn't have it on i'ts diet", imo it should have most of the future roster on it's diet bc that is what it's meant to be, a Body Bully.

[white elm]

Again it can gain diet from everything by puking on the corpse

[wooden agate]

exactly, everything is automatically on its diet.

so im really confused what the actual point would be

[frank tapir]

cera doesn't need boar on its diet

[icy lion]

If you vomit on the corpse, it becomes your diet by making it rot

[zenith pagoda]

what's the point of loosing most of you're diet and food by puking, just to get only one diet?

[wooden agate]

adding more things to its actual diet would make the whole mechanic puking on bodies worthless

[white elm]

You don't lose much diet at all

[wooden agate]

you do not lose diet while vomitting

[frank tapir]

you do

[zenith pagoda]

if i recall it does, unless it's not in the game anymore

[wooden agate]

ive been throwing up to max my diet since the diet update

i have yet to lose diet to puking since then

[frank tapir]

cerato in the current build loses diet when it vomits

[gritty heart]

That’s just one of those weird isle logic things, same as needing to pull organs out to eat them

[zenith pagoda]

unless you're a baby with not much food and even no diet, doing that is not vaiable considering you loose food, and a percentage of you're active diets.

[wooden agate]

"ive been doing it since the update"

"it isnt viable"

well screw my 265 growth boost then

[zenith pagoda]

you're telling me that you get all three diets by puking on sum, then when it's rotten eating it?

cuz if that's true you got a problem there

[wicked plover]

spawn code bug

[limber hull]

"playables like boar"?

[zenith pagoda]

Im talking about more animals in general on it's diet.

[limber hull]

it def doesnt need more AI tbh

more playables, sure, but not AI

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message @pliant elm do you mean the model size?

[idle cradle]

is it just me or is night absurdly dark on hoardtesting?

[wooden agate]

bugged

its not night itself that dark, its the night vision making your screen darker. turn it off and youll see you may actually be able to see better without it currently.

it is really bad though, so hopefully its fixed in the next patch

[idle cradle]

its a bit better now, but around midnight its pitch black. zooming in with NV on helps because you can see the outline of things...but not much else.

[pliant elm]

yes

like the carno before the nerf

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

I mean all tryna fight beipi would do is get them killed so it’s probably for the best anyways

[normal shuttle]

@lyric gull brother, friendly fire in that case exists to encourage coordination and that someone doesn’t get grappled by a bunch of macaques who only cared about pressing rmb near to the enemy model instead of caring about pounce slots and having coordination with their buddies

[lyric gull]

It just doesn’t work in my way then

[normal shuttle]

Wdym

[lyric gull]

Ion know I’m always killing someone when I mean to pounce on the person we want to kill

[normal shuttle]

That’s entirely on you then

Just aim the pounce properly and also learn to disengage from it

[lyric gull]

Ok 👍

[normal shuttle]

But friendly fire in the same groups is also what makes omni not a hyper oppressive no skill big game hunter. They gotts work and have coordination for a good grapple

[sharp shale]

i promise you if you are carni main the last thing you would want is no friendly fire in groups.

[naive thicket]

I wonder if anything is able to be done about stuff like this? Or as long as people have different ping, it is inevitable?

[cosmic crater]

Lower the volume of lightning, I had my volume peaked just to (barely) hear footsteps and the lightning sfx just about bloodied my ears

[normal shuttle]

@zenith pagoda bro, literally EVERYTHING is on deino and cera diet

If you wait for non diet meat to rot, it unlocks the nutrients

And you can even do this with AI despite them not rotting if you are small enough, by getting all the chunks and waiting 7 minutes for them to rot

Voila, now every single players and nearly all ai in your early game gives you diet

And it feels definitely intended when cera does have an option to vomit manually and it makes things rot faster if you throw up right on top of them

[desert arch]

Only "fix" would be is to have ping lock on servers so youll only encounter people with similar ping to you, but implementing that could have its own issues :/

[junior nymph]

@desert arch you should upvote what I said in general feedback

as a joke

[desert arch]

💀

[junior nymph]

based

[desert arch]

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message @vivid mason your favorite ragebait has been unleashed

[normal shuttle]

Giga skillfully pinning down a stego with no counterplay, absolute cinema

[junior nymph]

🙂

[normal shuttle]

And the saddest part

Look at those upvotes

[junior nymph]

hm

the devs should listen... we should pin brachies

[normal shuttle]

@cedar jay you are most certainly not a tank. Having slightly less than pachy is more than enough

[cedar jay]

why are we saying no to omni getting a little more health

[normal shuttle]

Because balancing

It doesn’t. If anything a weight nerf would be appreciated

[junior nymph]

I need someone to take my thing seriously cause then I can laugh

[cedar jay]

okay reasonable but your name is not acceptable >:(

[normal shuttle]

It totally is

And this suggestion kind of solidifies it further

[cedar jay]

i would be your worst nightmare then #BIGGESTOMNIRAPTORLOVER

[normal shuttle]

The omni buff requests always get me

[normal shuttle]

That is lame

[cedar jay]

your no fun :(

[normal shuttle]

More fun than the omni playerbase

[cedar jay]

nope

[normal shuttle]

Yep

Their victim complex that makes them believe Omni needs buffing or that it is too weak is so bad

Sometimes even cringe

[cedar jay]

[normal shuttle]

Dude

Omni is mega cringe

[cedar jay]

and your mega weird

[normal shuttle]

No

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[normal shuttle]

Nah omni mains have the skill issue

Demanding buffs for their no skill dinosaur

[woeful latch]

yeah lol, last thing omni needs is a buff, i’d say it needs a nerf instead.

[grizzled matrix]

True

Omni is fine rn

[normal shuttle]

It is balanced leaning towards strong

[grizzled matrix]

the pin is a bit too strong tho

[limber hull]

omni actually got some really good buffs for its group/pack gameplay

i dont see it needing any buffs more

[woeful latch]

i still think that pin is not really an issue, the only thing you can grapple is galli and some juvies, grapple on the other hand is too strong

[limber hull]

grapple got a decent nerf to it tho

[woeful latch]

imo if 2 omnis can grapple you just because you have less than 25% stam then omnis stam should matter as well, like if they’re low on stam as well they should not be able to grapple you

[limber hull]

ehhhh

they'll deminish their stam during the pounce regardless

[thick summit]

People really hate the animal, don't they...

[woven bane]

it is an issue, you’ll notice when more small tiers are added

[thick summit]

Grapple is fine

[woeful latch]

actually, you’re kinda right

i hate both mechanics tho and i will probably hate even more once allo is in the game

if it will use the same math and just pin everything that is smaller i will go insane

[woeful latch]

i mean, it just makes sense, if they can grapple something because it’s low on stam then maybe they should not be low on stam themselves..

and then i can call grapple a fair mechanic, not just a cheesy one

[limber hull]

if they are, it wont be grappled for long

[woeful latch]

doesn’t matter, it’s still basically a free damage and bleed

[limber hull]

so is a lot of mechanics in this game

[woeful latch]

not to mention while you’re grappled the rest of the group can just bite your head going even more damage and bleed

[limber hull]

also its really not free cause it costs stam and actually cooperating with a teammate

[woeful latch]

i wouldn’t really say that, it’s only omnis pounce

[thick summit]

It should be tied to its ambush mechanic

[limber hull]

grapple takes notable setup and actual teamwork

[woeful latch]

stam is nothing, you can always regenerate it while the rest of the group attacks, but you deal tons of bleed and damage with that

[limber hull]

i feel like grapple is decently balanced tbh. at least compared to the disaster that was release grapple

[woeful latch]

i wouldn’t really say that, it’s just 2 omnis to grapple anything teno size and smaller

[limber hull]

you can also regenerate stam for just taking damage as herbi

[woeful latch]

yes, grapple before was ridiculous

[woeful latch]

that’s just a mutation, i wouldn’t really count it

[thick summit]

Because if an allo just runs up to a teno and holds rmb I'll literally become a rex main and kill every allosaurus

Like

[woeful latch]

👹

[limber hull]

i would. its effectively base kit

[thick summit]

It'd be awful if it is omni but larger

[limber hull]

i hate the mutation because its a massive must-pick, but we have to acknowledge thats what it is

[limber hull]

ohhh

you're in for a very unhappy wakeup call

[woeful latch]

mutation is still just a mutation, there’s server without tactile enabled, or maybe you don’t want to take it, i mean mutations are not something you should count when talking about base stats and balance (imo)

[sinful egret]

@candid fiber with ur post on the diet system is that just saying for herbs? because sometimes for herbs finding line diet can be hard or more difficult or even for carnis line diet can be impossible or just difficult early game when growing

[thick summit]

That's why I hope its grapple is tied to its ambush mechanic

[woeful latch]

same

[limber hull]

it would only apply if you cant find ANY diets. Carbs, proteins or lipids

[thick summit]

Also, why are people against carno's model being increased in size

[woeful latch]

they could make it so both allo and omni need to ambush something in order to pin, that would be fair

[sinful egret]

ohhh okok that makes more sense tank u

[woeful latch]

i don’t think it’s necessary tbh

[thick summit]

It is

[limber hull]

would also make the weight inconsistent with model size

[woeful latch]

yes

[thick summit]

It hurts me both mentally and physically

[thick summit]

Nah, carno in the isle is built like a stick

[limber hull]

its still consistent with the weight

[thick summit]

This thing has no meat on its bones

[woeful latch]

i mean, let’s be real… carno is basically a rugops right now, just accept it

[limber hull]

i know someone who's EXCEPTIONALLY pedantic about this. 1300kg carno has a model that matches its weight

[woeful latch]

they will probably not change anything about carno, they already did some amazing qol

[thick summit]

Well

At least I've been playing it when it was the most fun and balanced

RIP update 5 carno

[candid fiber]

It may need some adjustments for carnivores, like either having all meat give some nutrients or buffing the nutrients you get from the meat/organs you do get.

[woeful latch]

smaller carno is the reason they nerfed teno damage btw, since it doesn’t need to fight 1.8t thing that can easily outrun it

[thick summit]

They should just remodel its head at this point and call it majungasaurus

[woeful latch]

they did it in one patch as well, carno rework and teno nerf

👹👹👹

[jolly prairie]

This isn't a suggestion, but rather a question:
Nesting is currently underutilized, and while the benefits are worth it, I don't know if the effort will be enough to make it happen.
But my question goes beyond this initial concern. There are plans to add a feature to connect nearby friends, to avoid ending up on the other side of the map when spawning. Don't you think this will make nesting even more anecdotal, as it already suffers from a lack of use?
It would be a shame if, in favor of accessibility, we lost the benefit of another feature.
Or perhaps there are other nesting projects I'm not aware of. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
(PS: If you find a more logical place to post this, please let me know.) 🙂

[thick summit]

Carno vs teno was so much fun back on spiro

Now it's just

[candid fiber]

Also it's about zero in all 3 categories, if you are only missing lines it should not trigger at all.

[thick summit]

"OH a teno....well yeah anyway"

And teno has nothing to really worry about

Well yeah ceratosaurus packs

[sinful egret]

oh then nvm from what i was saying that clears it up mb

[thick ivy]

why are people disliking my post its a good idea

why shoudl rex and trike be safe from swimmign in the water

[candid fiber]

Because people are allowed to dislike good ideas, too.

[thick ivy]

okay tough guy

[gentle flint]

Because Deino really doesn’t need to be able to grab them tbh, and if it COULD, it could also likely grab spino (who it is supposed to fear)

[woeful latch]

i agree with that tbh, also the desync wasn’t that bad, hitboxes were better and combat was a bit more slow phased and strategic, now it’s just too dynamic and because of server lag things teleport or bite you from far away and stuff

[thick summit]

But if cera gets its nerfs (hopefully), teno has literally nothing to worry about. Allo has to ambush tenos because I doubt it's faster and teno can already slam utah and dilo packs

[thick summit]

Honestly, update 5 had the best balance

[thick ivy]

why should deino fear spino when spino was literally just a fisher

[thick summit]

Carno didn't shred everything but it wasn't terrible either

[woeful latch]

i really think the game needs some kind of semi mid tier hunter, like something teno size, but not specialist like cera or carno, an actual hunter

i think sub allos and sub rexes might be the answer

but who knows

[thick ivy]

the sucho

[thick summit]

Sucho is not a mid tier

[woeful latch]

sucho is mid tier

lol

[thick summit]

Suchomimus is a pseudo apex

[drowsy abyss]

huh

[thick summit]

Sucho is probably gonna be 5t

[woeful latch]

i wouldn’t really say that, not to mention that it’s slow and semi-aquatic

[thick summit]

I hope it is slow and powerful

[normal shuttle]

Because this spino isn’t the accurate one, but more like some semi aquatic giant even for megatheropod standards. It is more similar to the JP3 powerhouse than the paddle tailed frail fish eater we know these days

Like please, check this out

[thick summit]

I love my defensive suchomimus

[drowsy abyss]

if it ends up at 5t that would legit be "mid tier" with the rex and spino weight being 10ton+

[woeful latch]

i’m talking about 1.6-2t predator that game needs

something between allo and cera

[normal shuttle]

Rex is 9300kg

[thick summit]

Carno would've been the perfect animal (and was) teno's predator

[woeful latch]

yes, but they decided to make it small game hunter

[thick ivy]

deino shouldnt just fall vict9im to spino if spino can also just live on land

[normal shuttle]

If deino has trouble with late sub trikes and adult stegos, spino is truly going to be a grueling matchup

[drowsy abyss]

thank good its not over sized. if anything slighty under. i assume spino is gunna clock in at 11-12

[thick ivy]

atleast give spino bad turn rate so deino can tail ride it

[woeful latch]

maybe when rugops in the game we will get old carno back and just give rugops current carno niche

[normal shuttle]

Same

[thick summit]

Update 5 Carno was a perfect small game hunter

[normal shuttle]

And it is oversized for spino standards lol, but who cares

[normal shuttle]

Deino is likely going to be a much better swimmer. It can probably just outpace if comfortably in the water

Problem is gonna be ponds where you cannot flee

In fact I can already see deinos having trouble in west rail pond with bary packs

[woeful latch]

well pond deinos will get what they deserve

[thick summit]

Update 5 Carno was fast but turned like a truck and its charge was rather a tool than an attack

[normal shuttle]

Yup

[thick ivy]

in my opinion deino bite forvers should be highjerr

[drowsy abyss]

bary is my better pick over sucho. i kinda wish they bring the barry/alberta/acro forwards on the to do list from being the least done. same as theri

[woeful latch]

ofc camping 10x10m pond for 12 hours is a lot of fun, but please die

[limber hull]

"pseudo apex"

will this anguish ever end

[thick ivy]

Deinosuchus, a prehistoric crocodyliform, had an estimated bite force ranging from 18,000 to 102,803 Newtons (1,835 to 10,483 kgf or 4,047 to 23,111 lbf).

[normal shuttle]

Why? Because of accuracy? It doesn’t compliment its cut in anything but adult deino vs adult deino fights

[thick summit]

1.5sec charge time for a knockdown and 75 damage would be peak

[thick ivy]

if spino getrs like 800 bite force deino should have 700

[woeful latch]

500 is a lot, it also bites pretty fast. even trike has 750, but not like you should really compare them lol

[normal shuttle]

See, many members of this community, including developers themselves, couldn’t care less about accuracy or realism. They want to make things balanced and also that they adhere to their roles.

And deino does not need a bite force higher than 500

[thick ivy]

how

[woeful latch]

yes

[limber hull]

if spino gets 800 bf something has gone horribly wrong

[thick ivy]

look at its mouth

[normal shuttle]

WE DONT CARE

[gentle flint]

[woeful latch]

i think spino will not have biteforce like that, i bet it will mostly use its claws for attacks and pin crocs

[normal shuttle]

No one cares in the development or QA team about accuracy

It doesn’t matter that it feels like it makes sense

It has to adhere to game design and we don’t need rex but swimming. Deino is meant to go for prey smaller than itself and it had one of the single most oppressive abilities in the entire game for that

You can literally one shot 6 ton deinos

And the same is gonna happen to subadult spinos if you catch them

[normal shuttle]

And also this ^

[woeful latch]

and i might be very crazy, but i think one of the devs said that giga or spino wouldn’t want to challenge rex in 1v1 fight, but i might be delulu and stuff, so if anyone can confirm that would be sick

[normal shuttle]

Spino isn’t gonna bite harder than a trike can plunge its horns into a knocked target

That’s for sure

But as Kissen recently, spino is gonna perform very well into deino. You could try killing one but it may not be worth it

[woeful latch]

yeah, highly doubt spino would want to hunt trike, but you never know how the devs will balance stuff

[normal shuttle]

It won’t

[woeful latch]

we have apex cera in the game, anything is possible xddd

you never know

[thick summit]

Ceratorex 2.0

It's quite funny actually

99% bleed resistance cera is gonna be hilarious

[woeful latch]

lovely

[woeful latch]

if they keep that buff i will actually start to believe when people say: “they will never nerf cera, its devs favorite animal”

[lucid mauve]

Why would they dont wanne do that ? Why make them equal?

I hope they are very diffrent in playstyle

[woeful latch]

no one said anything about equality lol

fight doesn’t need to be equal for one side to win

[thick ivy]

the isle evrima big tier fights isnt really gonna be like legacy

where u can juist hit adn run with giga

big tier fights is more tankign and face tanking

[lucid mauve]

What could you hit and run against? vs what apex

[thick ivy]

im saying u wont be able to

[lucid mauve]

You couldt even do that in legacy

[thick ivy]

a giga isnt gonna be able to just run through rex and bleed it

yes

what do you mean to kill rexes u would hit and run

[lucid mauve]

A rex would maul giga in 1v1, bonebreak and dead

I mean without the bb it had, yes you could do what you are saying.

[thick ivy]

in legacy it would be differnet but i was saying that giga or spino wouldnt be able to tail ride rex liek in legacy

BRO ahve u plaued legacy

[lucid mauve]

Yea true, but im hoping they are very diffrent in playstyle. I dont mind rex going for a giga if given the chance etc

[thick ivy]

im saying that the isle and evrima rex vs giga gameplauy is gonna be a lot differenmt

[lucid mauve]

yes, i had alot of hrs in legacy. And i never lost a fight to a spino or giga as rex lol.

[thick ivy]

because of the new mechanics such as alt biting and turnign in place

[lucid mauve]

yea i mean not sure what you mean with diffrent, i still hope and think rex will come out winning if its a head on fight

[thick ivy]

hopefully

[frank tapir]

<@&933486433342222376> #phase-three-requests message

[frank tapir]

#balance-feedback message here as well

[indigo gulch]

Ye I pinged them there too

[frank tapir]

#ai-feedback message

another one

[gentle flint]

Whenever a mod is awake to ban the dude they should all disappear

[frank tapir]

there are 12 total, just searched his messages

reported all the messages for hacks / cheats if anyone else wants to do the same

[indigo gulch]

I did the ones I saw

And they are gone. Thanks mods👍🏻

[latent olive]

@silent karma they’re making an accurate utahraptor, omniraptor is the “raptor of all raptors” to translate roughly

sure it’s an OC animal from the devs but it’s got its niche

Utahraptor will probably be a heavier, more solitary life

[silent karma]

I know but why create a completely fictional animal they could have just chosen an animal that actually existed i just don't understand the decision the devs made

[latent olive]

it wasn’t truly fictional at first, as it was originally utahraptor

but they changed it, for gameplay and probably lore purposes

also, this game isn’t paleo accurate

troodon is actually a hybrid of raptors if I recall

from what we can tell, other than the strains, troodon and omniraptor are the only “fictional” species

you could count herrerasaurus and beipiaosaurus if you consider mechanics like climbing and idk being semi aquatic

[silent karma]

yeah

2 ton carni dryo would also be nice lol

[latent olive]

that’s just a sub adult albertosaurus

[valid zephyr]

i'm glad they picked a fictional animal.

it's a way better option than picking the name of a real animal, then making it nothing like that animal in any way, as has happened with other things in the roster.

[latent olive]

that’s another thing, yeah

butchering a dinosaur into something it isn’t

unlike turning carcharodontosaurus into a quadrupedal, it deserves that change

[silent karma]

also a good reason, but i think there are ways to create a fun and realistic playable at the same time

[ancient kestrel]

@candid fiber #general-feedback message there was a malnutrition mechanic which worked better than the thing you propose. It was in days of Isla Spiro. Basically was a multitude of debuffs on your character if you have 0 nutrients. I am not getting why it got removed and praying for its return to make grazing less op

[cedar dove]

why does my game not load? it just freezes when i first try to start it up

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message Best suggestion so far

[ancient kestrel]

Sweaty omni veterans probably hate you

[ancient kestrel]

Only thing which pin needs to be balanced is a way to fight it of for other playables except omni and troo. Otherwise mechanic is cool

[dawn hound]

@bleak kestrel https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1350476512889143420 yes.

however i believe some springs should be deadly to drink from, since they are literally boiling

it could be like a visual

[bleak kestrel]

If you drink to much you should vomit

[dawn hound]

some hotsprings in real life are relaxing to be in, and are just warm water, but some are boiling hot

[normal shuttle]

I would be proud if they did

Oh dude I’m so cracked and great at this game. So skilled that I only need one button press to win any fight and just a tiny bit of patience to sneak up on someone as soon as they step into the open

(This one was normal pounce)

I also pinned a 90% or so Pachy in the past

[dawn hound]

bro doesnt hate titanoboa as much anymore lmao

[bleak kestrel]

Maybe make them hotter/colder depending on weather or time

[normal shuttle]

And you can also alt bite to the head of an omni and pin them. You will lose 13% blood and won’t even hit yellow

And the other omni will die

[dawn hound]

yes

[normal shuttle]

Omni is so hard to use man!!! You don’t get it, it is so bad

[bleak kestrel]

But honestly simplest solution is just make dinos vomit if they drink to much

[dawn hound]

I was doing pvp with my friend after long time in an admin server, and i was training him to be a herrera to jump me as i am an omni. Quite literally all it took for me is to right click lmao. Now imagine allo, omni but bigger

[normal shuttle]

Yeah it’s gonna be hell

[tame jetty]

@quartz summit #general-feedback message If players stay too long in juvi/voulenrable as hell state. That prompt afk, instead of traveling and interacrting with world and players.

[normal shuttle]

Imagine allo pinning another allo and killing it

[dawn hound]

why cant there just be a counter against pin? When you get mauled irl by some animal, its not like its impossible to escape.

[ancient kestrel]

I am pretty sure that Dondis favorite is dibble (for now)

[dawn hound]

stego

[tame jetty]

we should've a counter to omni pinning, and deino grabbing (stamina war) ect

[normal shuttle]

And also our animals just flop around doing nothing. The only one who can really break free from a pin is troodon and only if the omni is small enough because of how much damage it deals for its size

[dawn hound]

i believe it should depend on the one who is pinned stamina

[bleak kestrel]

I think dryo should be able to dodge a pin like short time after its pinned it should be able to escape

[dawn hound]

weakened and tired animal cant escape a maul

but energetic one can squeeze trough

[dawn hound]

yes

bary is gonna be my animal if i could just rip omnis off of my back lol

[bleak kestrel]

You know reson why bary got this mechanic is because they will alawas be near water so attacking a bary would be stupid anyway

[ancient kestrel]

What about a dilos? Shouldn't you hate them more?
Also omnis isn't just 1 button to win when it goes about fights with bigger creatures