general-feedback-discussion

[normal shuttle]

I like allo but I probably won’t main it

Im more of a herbivore and omnivore fanboy

Carnivores are way too much for normies 😎

[frank tapir]

slightly random but I really hope theri is an omnivore

[normal shuttle]

Same, but I won’t mind if it is not

Anyways, gotta make some feedback

[white elm]

too awesomebro

[urban flax]

By omnivore, do you mean herbivore with frogs on its diet ?

[normal shuttle]

I would like some actually predatory omnivore

[white elm]

avaceratops

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

But some other like theri would be cool as well

Or cheirus maybe

[frank tapir]

I want it to swallow troodons

I want to carve into the flesh of omnis and feast

[urban flax]

I want to dig caverns with theri

[frank tapir]

sloth style

[normal shuttle]

I want to kos as theri and bring back the old days

[mighty girder]

@compact timber that is so hard to read

[compact timber]

the grey part?

[mighty girder]

yeah

[compact timber]

can u send a screenshot if ur not using the dark grey discord theme?

[mighty girder]

(didnt realize they added the other disc background options to the app, good to know ty for that LOL)

[compact timber]

Oh sorry! I could read it so I thought everybody could, I'll see if I can change it to another color

[mighty girder]

its not too bad just figured I'd let you know :) I like the mutation ideas tho!

[compact timber]

ty :D

is that better? @mighty girder

[normal shuttle]

Cannibal rex is gonna be so fun

But hey, hopefully after this total disaster, we will for sure not get Allo, giga, acro, alberto and spino as cannibals

Maybe everyone will see why turning 70% of the players and corpses in a server into a growth push for an apex carnivore is a bad idea after there’s packs of 5 rexes running around 💀

[frank tapir]

is it confirmed to be a cannibal?

[normal shuttle]

No, but Kissen said that cannibalism quells overpopulation and is a valid way to control them (not applicable in the isle), and the two big carnivores we’ve had were cannibals

Yet they were the most played and popular in their respective reigns

This should never happen

We’ve had problems with carno, now with the trillion ceras around even though it is not that overpowered…And if rex does, it’s gonna be so skull emoji

[frank tapir]

hopefully it's not

[junior nymph]

cera is overpowered

nothing told to the thingy but I just like to say that

[normal shuttle]

Cera has a very strong attack with no downsides whatsoever and is easy to grow (mostly because it is meant to be that way). And then two extremely good synergies with slot 2 mutations.

Only really needs some retouches

[junior nymph]

@grizzled yarrow turn off DLSS

[normal shuttle]

Most cera problems rn stem from their abundance, which is more of a perfect combination of factors, since it has no consistent competition in its weight class, people prefer big stompy carnis and are more popular, and coincidentally cera is very very easy to grow

Tune down charged bite and some synergies, as well as adding some bigger carnivore, and it will be fine

[junior nymph]

wdym by some synergies

gastro and speed muts?

[normal shuttle]

That cera’s kit works too well with hypermetabolic and gastro

Synergy is when two or more traits or items in a game make up for a very powerful combination

And cera is the absolute best thing to pair with those two muts

Since it can lower its hunger at will and also heal at breakneck speed

[junior nymph]

why hypermetabolic it only works for the normal bite

[normal shuttle]

But other than that and having a 350 damage bite as a free easy to spam primary attack, cera doesn’t need much of a nerf

[normal shuttle]

Cera has very high base damage regardless

[junior nymph]

same as carnos

[normal shuttle]

And good bite speed

As well as being able to lower its hunger

[junior nymph]

also bile

[normal shuttle]

Although gastro is the worst offender of that

Other than gastro especially and charged bite, it doesn’t need much of a nerf. Cera will become less oppressive naturally as rex and allo are released and people have other big carnivore to gravitate towards

[junior nymph]

it will still be powerful against the roster as of rn so things like stego, dibble and maia would still die to a cera in a 1v1 apart from stego

[normal shuttle]

What??

Dibble destroys cera one on one

[junior nymph]

depends

[normal shuttle]

Can easily deal with 2-3 at a time

[junior nymph]

ok thats not correct

[normal shuttle]

If a player is terrible it will lose every matchup

And maia can deal with a single cera or just flee from it infinitely

[junior nymph]

A good dibble vs 2-3 ceras the ceras can just go in when the dibble attacks one of them

[normal shuttle]

Mfw sliding, sparring and terrain exist

I am sorry but a dibble is dog water if they lose vs a cera 😭

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message is this real?

[wary kestrel]

when they going buff raptors/ fix there bugs they unplayable at this point.

[compact timber]

they're working on that as we speak #announcements message #stream-announcements message

they fixed the foliage knock-off bug in hordetest

[desert arch]

"foliage knock-off bug" huh?

Like foliage doesnt knock you down anymore?

That would be massive ngl

[compact timber]

yeah it was really annoying

a few other bugs too but they're worded complicated in the patch notes so I forgot

hopefully you won't phase through people and prioritize pouncing other Omniraptors anymore

[desert arch]

Woah, so that would mean only trees and rocks can knock you down

Thats insane

[compact timber]

yea people would run to bushes and/or short trees to use their foliage to knock down Omnis

I watched a video of a poor Omni just helplessly trying to use his ability the way it's intended, and getting severly punished for it

[desert arch]

Yeah I know, most bushes used for that didnt even have colission LOL

[compact timber]

YEAHH XD

[desert arch]

Anyways that a massive troodon buff too, peak

[pliant elm]

I wanted to understand why the devs nerfed the troodon's damage xd

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Advanced Attention:
Cool concept but feels very game-y. Also justifying it by stating how OP tact is isn't really doing it to me. Tact deserves to be kicked in the ass regardless

Adrenaline Rush:
While circumstantial, a speed boost is still heavily impactful. Probably better than the rest of them though

Scavenger Guts:
Cool idea no complaints

Post-Traumatic Evasion:
Speed boost still bad tbh

[woeful latch]

they’re not

omnis are one of the most op dinos if you play right.

btw @desert arch

[desert arch]

Troodon is op, clearly

[woeful latch]

you should see this, i hope you’re jealous, because im the coolest troodon 😎

[desert arch]

This warrants another 20% dmg nerf!

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[woeful latch]

yeah, needs another nerf.

[desert arch]

In the open? Sure, but one funny, collisionless tree can render them useless 💀

Or just have a friend to protect you

If they cant stay latched on for long, theyre useless

[woeful latch]

well ermmm in fact it was around 17%🤓🤓🤓

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[woeful latch]

how it should be imo.. tho they removed the collisions from the rocks for some reason, that’s very weird

[desert arch]

They still have, got knocked by one a couple days ago

[woeful latch]

i guess depends on the rock

[desert arch]

It also just makes for extremely boring gameplay

[woeful latch]

the north east lake one is useless…

[desert arch]

Bucking should be stronger, but terrain should be way worse

[woeful latch]

idk really, tbf while you buck omni is dealing free damage. using terrain is an amazing way to counter omnis

[desert arch]

Thats why bucking should be buffed, and terrain nerfed.
Its boring for both parties, skillless, requires 0 strategy and just generally feels very cheesy (pun intended)

[woeful latch]

cheesy..

[woeful latch]

well i agree with terrain nerf if buck gets buff and pin/grapple gets nerfed

[desert arch]

"Haha lemme stand next to a couple collisionless pieces of foliage to make you unable to use your main ability."

Normal pin yeah, but grapple is fine tbh

[woeful latch]

tbf the only one i dont like is the bushes, they just don’t look like something that can throw omni off

the trees and rocks are fine, you don’t expect omni to just clip through

[desert arch]

Being thrown off would be fine in itself, its just the fact that its a 100% death sentence thanks to the 5 second long stun animation, which troodon has too for some reason 💀

[woeful latch]

not at all.. grapple is the op one

pin is really only effective against juvies and galli that can easily outrun omni

grapple is op, because it’s just free damage you deal if something you fight has less than 25% stamina

[woeful latch]

tbf that’s a crime, animation should be a lot faster for both omni and troodon, like 2 seconds at most, more is just a death sentence

[desert arch]

Then dont get low, manage your stamina, and if you meet the other tresholds for grapple (low blood or hp) youre dead anyway

While the damage potential is high for the omnis, one grapple means that the minimum 2 omnis which performed the grapple are out of the fight for at least 3 minutes

[woven bane]

pin allows it to 1 tap stuff with zero counterplay, grapple is fine now

[desert arch]

Afaik grappling costs ~30% more stamina than normal pouncing

Which is a lot

[desert arch]

Yeah, if you manage to get 3 omnis on a carno before any get thrown off, you should be rewarded

[woven bane]

if u get that many omnis on u, you’re doing something wrong

[desert arch]

It needs such insane coordination that it should have a high reward, for the high risk

[woeful latch]

literally the reason people mud or terrain camp

[woeful latch]

grapple in general is fine, the 25% stam ignoring all the other conditions is meh

[thick summit]

Grapple should be strong

You have to be very coordinated to pull it off

And it drains the stamina of every omni so it leaves them very vulnerable

Bucking just needs a buff

[woven bane]

terrain camping is too strong, completely nullifies the whole mechanic

[desert arch]

people always camped terrain vs omnis

even on spiro, where only tap pouncing was viable

[normal shuttle]

I agree grapple should be better than pinning, but I still at this point can’t help but cringe a little when people say it is “very” coordinated.

It needs more coordination especially with randoms which are more of a detriment than an advantage in many cases, but all it takes is to surround something and pounce at the same time

At least when two pounces are needed to pin something

Maybe it’s a bit trickier with 3 and actually complicated with 4-5

[desert arch]

getting 4-5 omnis on a stego is really hard, even if the stego itself has 0 stamina

[normal shuttle]

Agreed

[desert arch]

even 3 omnis is hard, if the person youre fighting doesnt just stand still

[normal shuttle]

Just wanted to say that the two omni grapple isn’t really that skilled really

Since I managed to pull it off with a vc and like my third adult omni ever after they added the grapple

[desert arch]

I mean yeah, in itself, but getting your prey to that condition needs coordination

[woeful latch]

as it should be

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[normal shuttle]

Mfw stalking someone and only attacking them in the open exists

[woven bane]

wow, that is some wild take

[compact timber]

#general-feedback message @wary flower turn lumen on to get rid of that - although I must warn, that will take a bit of performance away from you

[wary flower]

thanks but yeah cant run the game with lumen on

[compact timber]

using the terrain to your advantage is actually pretty cool

[compact timber]

aww man, yeah it also puts a strain on my pc too

[woven bane]

why should an omni not be able to use its main mechanic by someone simply standing in a bush?

[woeful latch]

why it should? you expect omni to clip through rocks and trees?
omni is strong in plains, that’s enough. pounce should have a counter play.

[woeful latch]

exactly, it’s a survival game, not pvp, you’re doing everything to survive. using terrain is a good thing.

[woven bane]

yea but trees are everywhere, kinda braindead to just stand next to one and completely counter it.

you’re so against teno stam nerfs while advocating for this sort of bs

[compact timber]

most of the times when people get cornered like that, they often get starved out of that corner by their hunters, all part of the experience

[woeful latch]

hm? that’s so unrelated i can’t even say anything lol

[woven bane]

“my favorite playable shouldn’t be punished for using their ability but this playable should be punished because i feel so”

[woven bane]

yea i’m saying in general, just a funny thing i noticed

[woeful latch]

not every hunt should be successful, if you see something camping terrain just don’t attack it, find something else or wait till it leaves the safe spot.

[woven bane]

and that someone else will just hug a tree the moment it spots a pack🤷‍♂️

[woeful latch]

how’s that related? teno lost 50 damage, that was a nerf it got for no reason, how it’s related to omni lmao

[woeful latch]

good.

find something in plains

eat ai

[woven bane]

trees exists in the plains yk

[woeful latch]

not as many

[urban flax]

Imagine getting angry at omni pounce getting countered by trees when
The entirety of land counters deino lunge
The slightest incline counters pachy ram
Any rock, small cliff or bump in the terrain counters carno charge

[woven bane]

are you seriously justifying omnis not being able to hunt by saying “go eat ai”

[woeful latch]

not to mention that most small things you either insta kill or slow down to the point where they won’t be able to run to the trees

pachy/dilo getting pounced somewhere in the plains is a death sentence

[compact timber]

but think about it like this
if an herbivore doesn't wanna get pounced and easily bled out, they will stick near trees, right?
the omniraptors can go for water as more of them keep an eye on the herbivore
and eventually starve/thirst it out, so now
2 problems arise, 1 you either die of thirst, 2 you give up your advantageous tree

the omni pounce is so punishing because it gets you to safety so fast if you get a good angle (meaning you herbivores have to either guess if you'll pounce and waste stamina with attacks, or they'll do it too late and let you latch on them, giving you the free hit)

[normal shuttle]

I guess we should just allow Omnis in groups to pin and kill ceras and tenos through a whole minute of cutscene thanks to the power of friendship

You know, sometimes people are not near trees that work, and pounce still hurts before they can get to good terrain

[woeful latch]

it can hunt, just not always lol. camping terrain is a good counter play

[woven bane]

not related at all, just kinda hypocritical of u.
teno only lost 50 on its tailslam, if you wanna go there omni also got nerfed.

grapple threshold got increased + it can’t do bleed and dmg at the same time

[woeful latch]

how’s that related?

[woven bane]

too easy and too rewarding, they can’t hunt competent players

[compact timber]

and keep in mind - omni has pin/grappling mechanic so it's easier to hunt smaller prey and pounce becomes peak when numbers of the omni increase

[woeful latch]

who said that?

[woven bane]

are u blind, just said it wasn’t, felt like mentioning it

[compact timber]

it's a high-risk high-reward ability

[urban flax]

The grapple nerf was absolutely necessary, also it can still do both
It now has the option to do raw damage, whereas it didn't before

[woeful latch]

so you’re saying not a single competent player ever died to omni pack?

[woeful latch]

grapple was too op before, that’s for sure

[woven bane]

huh? before the pounce got reworked omni could absolutely do dmg

[compact timber]

^

[woeful latch]

well why would you mention something completely unrelated lmao

[urban flax]

It did low raw damage and high bleed damage
Now you have the option to either do low raw damage and high bleed, or high raw damage and low bleed

[woven bane]

extremely improbable, less than 10% of occurring

[compact timber]

^

[woeful latch]

i’m leaving this conversation lmao, flows is going insane

[woven bane]

no? the dmg is basically the same

[urban flax]

Always has been

[woven bane]

perhaps you should play the game and test out the mechanics before you spread misinformation

[normal shuttle]

Man

[urban flax]

Am I ?
You're the one claiming omni has 2 different buttons that do the exact same thing, despite what actual testing has shown + what was mentioned in the patchnotes that reworked pounce

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message

[urban flax]

You need to show some serious proof if you want to contradict the devs+people who actually play the game

[thick summit]

💀

[woven bane]

show me the patch notes that says the pounce dmg got increased after the rework

[woven bane]

yet you can’t provide any empirical evidence🤷‍♂️

silly guy

[normal shuttle]

Omni is a 450kg dinosaur, a rat in the grand scheme of things in this game. And you are only required to have coordination and be in the open to pin something larger down and slowly kill then while they’re unable to do anything AT ALL. Is it really that bad that players can do something about it and aren’t instantly annihilated simply because the omnis are in vc?

And even if you are alone, omni is still a very solid pick since you have the most one sided move in the entire game to things that are about your size or less. It’s not even close. Omni IS an efficient hunter whose attack without grapple can one shot a third of the playables right now

I hate omni buff requests 😭

It just needs bug fixes and we’re good

[urban flax]

#announcements message

It's right on top of the patch notes

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

[thick summit]

omni does NOT need a buff

[woven bane]

mind telling me what it says, not loading up

[thick summit]

two pounces are enough to kill a pachy

[urban flax]

Added manual controls for omniraptor when latched to or pinning a target (Spacebar - Dismount | Primary Attack - Flat Damage | Secondary Attack - Bleed Damage)

[woven bane]

alright but how does this prove the dmg is more than previously

[urban flax]

When you use the raw damage pounce it does more raw damage than previously
Proof is : people have been killing people with raw damage pounce since that patch

[normal shuttle]

Half stamina of one if bucking doesn’t work (common)

[urban flax]

Which barely ever happened before

[woven bane]

really

[thick summit]

peak

[urban flax]

What would be the point otherwise

[normal shuttle]

This is from glazed but still. Look at that time to kill while being completely untargetable

And it’s not just a pachy issue at all

[spring scroll]

hello everyone, do you also happen to filter the “ping” item to update the list from the lowest to the highest ping and this does not happen?

[woven bane]

idk, i vividly remember killing pachies and dilos with the raw dmg of the pounce

[icy lion]

And now you can also kill carnos and ceras with it

It does more damage than the old pounce did when you hold LMB

[woven bane]

by how much

i assume y’all have done tests to know this

[icy lion]

I've heard about 1k damage for a full stam bar

[normal shuttle]

About 16-17 seconds to kill a fg Pachy, and mathematically it only can travel about…100-140 meters before dropping dead

[thick summit]

it's a pounce issue

[normal shuttle]

If bucking doesn’t work

[normal shuttle]

Bucking and pounce issue really

[woven bane]

always use to be that but it wasn’t as easy to do that before because bucking used to drain stamina

[thick summit]

bucking needs a buff

[normal shuttle]

Yup, from my testing it is about that amount. And in terms of bleed you can kill stuff like a 800kg carno if it runs around with a 40-50% bleed pounce

In the matter of like a minute at most

Although tbf carno bleed res is terrible

[urban flax]

Bucking needs to not be RNG

I think I posted an idea about it a while ago, but iirc it was pretty hated

[thick summit]

bucking shouldn't cost any stamina

[normal shuttle]

Imo you should only be able to buck while walking slowly or standing still but it should not be rng, maybe burning down their stamina like crazy depending on your weight relative to the raptor, or even dismounting them after a set amount of time or them doing a certain amount of damage to you

[normal shuttle]

That combined with the rng makes bucking actually detrimental for the prey 😭

[woven bane]

@urban flax https://youtu.be/HQ8T_96-Zmw?si=bZY9Tv5GUgn9cNeE can u explain this

[woven bane]

yea old pounce didn’t do a lot of dmg lmao

[urban flax]

I didn't say it didn't do a lot
But now raw damage pounce deals more raw damage

[woven bane]

no it dosen’t

[urban flax]

Here it is
#balance-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

Still got the pachy and so easily in the first one which is actually maniacal

[urban flax]

You keep asking for proof, but what's yours to contradict what's been shown in a video literally 20 messages higher ?

[woven bane]

actually yes you did say that😂 don’t backtrack now

“low dmg”

[urban flax]

low damage compared to the bleed damage

[woven bane]

you didn’t say that

[urban flax]

Being required to explain such trivial things is exhausting

[normal shuttle]

Deals nearly twice as much damage now compared to that clip. I would say damage before was low(er)

[woven bane]

even then that is wrong lmao, old pounce was strong enough to one shot a dilo with it so the bleed alone must be strong enough to threaten things like tenos🤔

mental gymnastics goes crazy

[urban flax]

And with bleed you could oneshot a carno before, what's your point ?

Back when it was 1.8ton

[wary kestrel]

what your saying i been fighting cheater??

[normal shuttle]

Remember that guy who blocked everyone who disagreed in the stance that omni can’t do anything against dilo because dilo is 20cm per second faster

[woven bane]

carno has always been susceptible to bleed because of its modifier.
if what you’re saying was true then a single omni could bleed out a teno, fact check before speaking

[wary kestrel]

they cant but

iam telling you

[urban flax]

You keep saying omni's raw damage pounce output hasn't been increased with the rework, without showing anything supporting that claim, and yet you keep asking me things regarding the bleed as if that's relevant ?

[urban flax]

Says the person who bases all of their arguments on guesswork

[woven bane]

then we’re on the same boat

[wary kestrel]

raptor has no damge tbh

[urban flax]

I haven't tested it personnally btw, but I'm pretty sure that old pounce could bleed out a teno if it didn't get bucked and didn't sit after being pounced

[urban flax]

It's got enough damage to oneshot something bigger than itself, I'd say it's sufficient

[wary kestrel]

all i have done is play them

[normal shuttle]

Mfw 1k damage pounce and also left click exists

[wary kestrel]

they are so weak

[woven bane]

i did show u an omni 1 shotting a pachy with the raw dmg.
the bleed is relevant because according to you its significantly stronger than the dmg, and the dmg was pretty high so that must mean that the bleed would be insane in comparison (which it wasn’t).

[urban flax]

The bleed was absolutely insane, it still is

[wary kestrel]

wait you going use all on stam to kill one patchy???

how you going get away?

[woven bane]

old pounce dmg was roughly 800-900 so if the bleed was significantly stronger that must’ve been at least double

[urban flax]

You don't need one full stam bar to kill one pachy, also you don't need to run away from a corpse

[normal shuttle]

That was before it got buffed. Currently it wastes about half to one shot a single Pachy which is insane for one button press

#general-feedback-discussion message

[wary kestrel]

nope

that 100% wrong

[urban flax]

It used to be 3x, but that was quite some time ago, not sure if it's still the case
Although since I've seen no patchontes saying the bleed had been reduced I'd assume it still is

[normal shuttle]

I…showed you a f video…

[woven bane]

3x lmaoo

[normal shuttle]

You can’t just go “nuh uh”

[wary kestrel]

when was that done?|

[urban flax]

Today in islecord, baseless claims are stronger than evidence

[wary kestrel]

true what moded?

[normal shuttle]

Non professional omni players trying not to have the worst balancing takes ever challenge (impossible)

Because PvP sweatlords at least are aware of their tools

Or timing

[thick summit]

omni kills pachy in 1-2 pounces

[wary kestrel]

yea 2

[woven bane]

1 pounce is enough

[wary kestrel]

you cant but

[woven bane]

always has been

[wary kestrel]

you need stam to get way

[thick summit]

you don't

[urban flax]

Get away from what ?

[normal shuttle]

And if they survive they still passively lost stamina even while walking and now are bleeding vs a faster and more agile opponent

Omni unplayable plz buff

[urban flax]

You just killed the pachy

[thick summit]

bucking needs to be more rewarding

[normal shuttle]

If you mean getting away in case they’re in a pack

That is entirely on you for pouncing someone in a group then

[urban flax]

Succesfully bucking off an omni heals you for 50% of the damage taken

[thick summit]

wait what

[urban flax]

That's rewarding

[thick summit]

no it should not burn through your stamina

[normal shuttle]

It should punish you for trying to fight against a juvenile omni

I once lost like 30-40% stamina as a fg dilo trying to shrug off a fresh spawn Omni

Absolute cinema

[urban flax]

I do think bucking being just "hold E until omni falls off" is part of the problem tbh

[normal shuttle]

If bary can slap omnis off its back I am gonna main it

(Not true, carnis are cringe)

[urban flax]

But bary is a fisher
Fish isn't real meat

[normal shuttle]

Fish aren’t animals

either way I will prolly give it a shot

[thick summit]

smelly omnis grappled me

I broke their ribs

[normal shuttle]

Hopefully many people will still play Allo and rex and I won’t have to worry about bary being overused

[normal shuttle]

I once ambushed two Omnis when they were tracking me. Body broke one, which then tried pouncing me and fell to its death in a hill and then the other got leg broken and a devilish grin appeared in my face

https://tenor.com/view/captain-underpants-evil-evil-smile-captain-underpants-gif-3849610915918371395

Saw the guy limping and body broken and I didn’t hesitate

[thick summit]

lmao

[normal shuttle]

Bros thought they could grapple me

[thick summit]

the omnis did grapple me

unfortunately they ran out of stamina

and I was only on orange

[normal shuttle]

Phew

[thick summit]

"phew"

may I remind you:

[normal shuttle]

Damn

You still got them

I also got a similar clutch once as a juvenile troodon. Was fighting some omnis, one of like 100+ kg and a fresh spawn. I was fighting the bigger one when the other came and somehow pinned me from a few meters away but I killed it as it tried killing me, and then while I was bleeding I tried to flee as my stamina and bleed were low but the other was chasing me

I had to take my last stand in the beach, where I somehow managed to kill the other omni and I ended with 2% blood left

Weakest troodon gamer vs strongest omni player

[woeful latch]

hell yeah!

[normal shuttle]

I kinda like troodon

Wish it wasn’t as weak tho. Super weak to lag or bad pounces

And hunting is a bit lame early on

Cera, carno and herra are the only carnis I regularly play

I would consider dilo if it wasn’t so blatantly overpowered. They butchered my legacy main

Wouldn’t mind a little omni buff in the bite speed ngl

Seeing that literally everyone else does the small attack faster except maia

And like dibble ig

[woven bane]

i love how a teno can attack at mach 10 but an omni takes 3-5 business days. peak design

[normal shuttle]

Not like you’re gonna trade with much stuff but yeah

A tad too slow

[woeful latch]

“but what about teno? did you know that teno can do that? did you know it can do this? look at teno!”

[woven bane]

are u good man

[woeful latch]

when will you realize that some things should not be compared

[urban flax]

Teno used to be a fair fight against omni
During update 0

[woven bane]

you compare things though LMAO

[normal shuttle]

[woeful latch]

👹

[woven bane]

the double standards is astonishing

[woeful latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1157652505946238976/attachment-3.gif

[normal shuttle]

I personally don’t think omni is really that reliant on biting to build up good damage unlike cera for example, most of the time you’re better off going for one hit and quickly disengaging with your agility.

But I don’t think it would break the game to make it slightly faster

[woeful latch]

yes

[woven bane]

the bite is essential for it, helps it chip down on its opponents health to lower the grapple threshold

[normal shuttle]

If you want to grapple something, you are certainly not gonna stick to it for more than an instant

Otherwise you’re getting hit back

[woeful latch]

health doesn’t matter tho, it’s blood/stam

[normal shuttle]

Omni is better off with the hit and run

[woven bane]

not to mention that terrain invalidates the pounce mechanic so you’re left with the bite

[woven bane]

health does matter.

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t as far as i know

does anybody have the sheet?

[normal shuttle]

Doesn’t have to be something binary

And well, I just cannot see many cases in which hitting and run is not optimal. You can’t quite trade with anything that needs grappling

Even if the bite speed was a bit faster

[woven bane]

the opposite of its design

this isn’t carno or troodon

[normal shuttle]

I am certain that omnis design isn’t for trading or sticking to someone with normal bites for more than a second before disengaging in the last second (not doable with many things anyway)

[woven bane]

thats besides the point, the slow bite makes it feel clunky and holds it back

[urban flax]

Omni is a brawler now ???

[woven bane]

quite the exaggeration

[urban flax]

Sticking around and trading hits is quite literally a brawler's idendity

(as opposed to hitting and running)

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t

i played omni a lot, it doesn’t even need fast biting speed, it’s always “bite and run away” you never want to stay

[woven bane]

eh not what i meant, omni isn’t a hit and run playable

[normal shuttle]

Again, not against something like a 20-30% speed buff, but in all situations I can think of you’re better off giving it a quick bite after you managed to outmaneuver your opponent or baited an alt attack

Even if it had dilo bite speed, you wouldn’t be able to get more than that. Pachy would win the trade (if you don’t pounce, just bite) or potentially injure, dilo would potentially kill, cera would potentially kill by the time you get hit once, carno wins, teno cc and wins, dibble cc and wins, stego deletes omni from existence.

[woeful latch]

i see how dilo should have fast biting speed, but omni.. ehh

[woven bane]

yes you do? you’re fighting a carno, he bites and then you turn around when he misses his alt bite to go in for another attack but the game doesn’t let u

[thick summit]

Pachy + rock vs 7 omnis is unfair

[normal shuttle]

Even with faster bite speed, you wouldn’t notice it

[thick summit]

poor rats couldn't even hit me

[woven bane]

i feel like you’re being very subjective about it

[normal shuttle]

Because its whole ability relies on biting, so that first opening to bite means everything for it since outmaneuvering is much harder unlike with omni that can keep getting openings

And dilo is much tankier too

[thick summit]

hah! They're bullying a baby cera now

[woeful latch]

exactly

[woeful latch]

carno misses an alt attack = you get a free bite, what’s the problem?

[woven bane]

still dosen’t explain why omni should be a slow biter despite it contradicting its design a bit lol

[normal shuttle]

Dilo isnt winning any one on one against anything that can trade with it or cc if it is spotted. At least omni can bait and get around without pouncing

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t tho? slow biting speed compensates it having the best agility in the game

[normal shuttle]

I am having a hard time getting it. Why is a high bite speed something that omni needs in its kit?

[woven bane]

in this hypothesis the omni bites the carno and the carno proceeds to alt bite in an attempt to get it, the carno misses and the omni can’t go in for a bite thanks to the cool-down

[woven bane]

its a QOL change

[normal shuttle]

When are you ever going to trade with anything as omni or when is something going to need to get bitten multiple times if it is a slower and smaller target when you can pin it if you can win be trade anyways?

[woven bane]

you think that’s fair?

[normal shuttle]

That’s a balance change, not a QOL one. It is altering a game feature that does impact combat and survival, not some gameplay commodity to make gameplay more comfortable

[woven bane]

what do u mean by “trading” it

[woven bane]

a horrible lock out makes it feel clunky, removing the cool-down is 100% a QOL

[thick summit]

pachy players!! wanna beat up omni packs again?

Get a rock and see for yourself

[normal shuttle]

high bite speed is something that only proves itself as useful when you land an ambush (dilo takes benefit from this and very much needs it against tougher opponents 1v1) or have cc to exploit an opening (such as herra knockdown). Omni on its own has none of that, and your opponents are divided in two categories:
-those that you can trade with by purely biting, but it is flat out more comfortable and useful to pin them down
-those you can’t trade with at all, so you are rarely ever going to land more than one bite in the same opening.

So this change, while I wouldn’t really mind it that much, is either inconsequential or a way to make grapple/pin even stronger since spare omnis would get higher dps on pinned targets

[woven bane]

it dosen’t compensate, it just prevents omnis from taking opportunities, if they are able to play fast and use quick thinking to avoid hits kudos to them, they shouldn’t be held back🤷‍♂️

[woven bane]

yea no bud

there are openings beyond that, such as when opponents miss their alt attacks

[normal shuttle]

If an opponent misses an alt, you can probably get like 3 dilo bites in and that is risking damage.

At most you would get like twice as many bites as an omni

Which even then is rather unsafe

[woven bane]

okay, an omni just needs 1 hit that’s all we want.
i fail to see how tf a faster bite has anything to do with trading hits

gtg

[normal shuttle]

I told ya above

High bite speed gets utility from ambushes and cc primarily

[woven bane]

https://youtu.be/RvPY6Ykv1Zc?si=PAmiHuBSV9j6NF0e okay explain this

[normal shuttle]

What’s there to explain?

[thick summit]

that's an awful carno

[normal shuttle]

Real

Like even if it had dilo bite speed, Nick would barely have any time to land more than one bite and that is being very optimistic

You’re risking getting hit if you stop moving at any time near the carno

[woven bane]

how the omni is getting bites in despite not using cc or whatever, you fail to understand that omni benefits from a faster bite

“hit and run”😂

[woven bane]

he would actually, he has shown examples iirc

[normal shuttle]

I- what?

You can still bite without cc, I only said that high bite speed gets the most utility out of large openings (catching someone off guard and cc). And if you are using neither of those, it would only really shine if you have any trading potential

[thick summit]

but why should it get a faster bite

[normal shuttle]

It wouldn’t benefit from a faster bite other than spare omnis helping with pinned targets or doing a few stamina effective ambushes on things you can pin down and kill anyway

[woven bane]

yes large openings such as missing an attack🤷‍♂️ cc ain’t all that important but i see your point now

[thick summit]

omni has an already powerful pounce

it doesn't rely on its bite like dilo

[woven bane]

alr gtg

[normal shuttle]

Missing an attack gives you like 1-2 seconds of an opening before the guy attacks again. That’s like 2 dilo bites in terms of time as you would also need to get on their rear to bite, and still risk getting hit if you stop at any moment

If you are running all the time and baiting like Nick does, you are simply going to get no utility from a faster bite since it will never be used unless you stop moving and actually land two bites

[normal shuttle]

And as I said, dilo does rely on biting

Otherwise it cannot use its ability

And once it is spotted it cannot do the same omni does of getting behind someone

[woeful latch]

depends, i’m fine with slightest speed boost, but not even close to something dilo or cera have.

[urban flax]

@eternal moss Doesn't that just defeat the point of them being secret mutations ?

[normal shuttle]

Same

[eternal moss]

ong you pray on my downfall

[urban flax]

Of course I do, but what does that have to do with what I just said ?

[eternal moss]

ur always hating on my feedback

pick on someone else

[thick summit]

what if!!! they just disagree with ya!!!

[urban flax]

I may be your nemesis, but that doesn't mean you mean anything to me
But now that you said that I'm gonna pay attention to always hate on your ideas

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message oh.. well let’s make it fair, omni is 450 right? so it’s almost 18 times smaller than the deino, that means omni should bite 18 times faster, sounds fair, because its smaller

[eternal moss]

alr ill just ignore you then 🙂

[urban flax]

Finally you have a good idea

[woeful latch]

lmao

[eternal moss]

ik i said id ignore you, but i dont always have bad ideas

they're good sometimes

[woeful latch]

we should live in peace and harmony, this feedback channel makes people take everything so personal. this stuff is mental

[eternal moss]

now im ignoring you

[woven bane]

dilo no but it should have cera levels if not better

[woven bane]

idk what to tell u

[woeful latch]

no, lmao, absolutely not.

[woven bane]

why not

[urban flax]

Doesn't cera have like one of the fastest bite speeds in the game ?

[desert arch]

Wait, Flows asking for omni buffs? Unreal

[woven bane]

it has decent

[woeful latch]

it’s almost the same as dilos

[woven bane]

back me up

[woeful latch]

it does tho

[woven bane]

far from it.

[urban flax]

That's what I thought

[desert arch]

Still slower than most herbies+dilo and herrera

Slightly above average Id say

[woeful latch]

cera got super fast bites

[urban flax]

I never tested herbivore bite speeds tbh

[desert arch]

Teno and stego are supersonic lol

Maia box is infinite attack speed

[woeful latch]

yeah lol

[woven bane]

balance because uh

[desert arch]

I dont get why stego even has a bite

[woeful latch]

ahahah i love when all those hit sounds stack

[woeful latch]

why not?

[desert arch]

Its useless anyway

[urban flax]

True, it's weird especially now that we have dibble without a bite attack
And maia... I don't know if it has one

[woeful latch]

same with the tenos bite, but i would rather have it than not

[desert arch]

What it would do decent dmg to, can easily dodge it, what it can land it on reliably doesnt even notice it

[urban flax]

A bite on dibble would make more sense than on stego, or teno
Or pachy, who also has a bite x)

[desert arch]

Tenos bite is actually really good chip dmg

[woven bane]

tenos bite is very useful actually

[normal shuttle]

Do you need to?

If you are sprinting and outmaneuvering something larger even with herra bite, you are never going to get a second hit unless you flawlessly time the end of bite 1’s active hitbox with the start of the second, or else you’re getting hit if you stop even for a moment.

Bite speed is useless with hit and run, I’m telling you. You either greed hits and risk damage in a long fight vs a stronger opponent or the bite speed is never gonna be used because, while you are running, your head is only in their hurtbox for like 0.2 seconds 😭 😭 😭

[woeful latch]

tbf stegos bite does huge damage to troodons

[woeful latch]

well yeah, but it’s not a game changer

[normal shuttle]

A small buff would be appreciated or be inconsequential. But it is that, inconsequential

[woven bane]

i think we’ve misunderstood eachother, i’m not aiming for omni to get 2 or more bites in when an opponent misses an alt bite let’s say

[desert arch]

I once killed a cera with only bites 💀
Albeit he played REALLY bad, but still, he died under a minute to the machine gun bite

[woeful latch]

i was running after the sub cera and biting it for like a minute and half and when it turned it still took me 1 headhot kick and 2 regular kicks to kill it, it really doest do much damage.

[normal shuttle]

It is going to do nothing in Omni’s favor

[woven bane]

yea tenos can run down ceras that way

[woeful latch]

yeah i can relate, i once killed a pachy with just bites ahah, but it’s just something that never happens when you’re fighting a competent player

[desert arch]

The dps potential is still there though, so its kinda useful

[woeful latch]

they do no damage tho, it’s 35dmg - 99% because tip of the tail

[desert arch]

Anyways whats the discussion even about

[normal shuttle]

Things that you can trade with are already small enough to get pinned, and things that can’t be pinned can’t be traded with by biting

[normal shuttle]

Omni bite speed

[desert arch]

Thx

[woeful latch]

why don’t it attack back tho? ahaha

[woven bane]

the cera loses 1% every millisecond, that quickly stacks up

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t ahah

[woven bane]

it does

[woeful latch]

i wish it did lol

[woven bane]

me and potato tested it

[desert arch]

Teno can do ~3 bites per second depending on your click speed

Thats around 100dps give or take

[woeful latch]

just don’t run straight forward, use w a s d

[woven bane]

the tenos can also use that lmao

[woeful latch]

and teno will rarely hit and if it hits it’s gonna be tip of the tail hitbox

[woven bane]

enough said for today, gotta get going

[desert arch]

Ommi discussion devolving into cera vs teno discussion, classic cheesy and flows

[woeful latch]

omg not again, let’s stop.

i’m having a good day right meow

don’t want to ruin it..

[desert arch]

Poor Flows got that negative rizz 💔

Im gonna throw up from saying that

[woeful latch]

@desert arch better watch this, because funny

[woeful latch]

i already did.

[desert arch]

Ceratosaurus rizz😬

[woeful latch]

real!

-# (what the hell is “rizz”?)

[desert arch]

Nerf tenonto fr!

[desert arch]

Youre better not knowing, stay pure

[woeful latch]

😭

[woeful latch]

my dream is do proper 1v4 and then i can die happy

if i can do that that means i mastered the teno

[desert arch]

We can arrange that😁

Lemme ask my friends

[woeful latch]

😳

i mean on survival, not dm

[desert arch]

💀

[woeful latch]

i once tried 1v6 i just didn’t have enough stamina to kick them all, also got kinda owned, vomited 60 times pooped my pants and jumped on the rock to hide…

classic teno rock goblin gameplay

[normal shuttle]

Spino should get its legacy bite speed when it comes out

back to being the absolute best PvP dinosaur in the game

@prisma fern brother, locational damage exists already!!

It even appears in a loading screen

Body shots do normal damage, most headshots deal 50% more damage except with stego (+100%), pachy (-25%) and dibble/potentially trike (-75%)

And while tail/rear hits deal less damage with most playables, dibble gets increased damage after multiple hits there

[prisma fern]

It is obviously - to some degree. It should be to a bigger degree to make a real, crucial difference.

[normal shuttle]

But it does

Also trading is heavily discouraged in many cases as you lose damage the more wounded you are

[urban flax]

I don't think hitboxes are reliable enough already to make them more important

[woven bane]

you lost me on the “i didn’t have enough stamina for it” part

[covert tiger]

It's an absolutely huge difference
From 1.5x head all the way to 0.1x tail tip

Targeting locations entirely changes the outcome of a fight

[woeful latch]

who said i started the fight having full stamina?

[woven bane]

skill issue

[woeful latch]

lmao you’re so mad ahaha

[normal shuttle]

Just stam hack bro

[woeful latch]

actually like speaking to the kid

[woven bane]

i’m chillin

i pity u

[woeful latch]

ofc you do xd

[normal shuttle]

I pity Omni players…

https://tenor.com/view/smh-shake-head-no-disagree-gif-17744233

That guy flipping out once in feedback because dilo is 700 meters per hour faster than omni while running-

He blocked me

[woeful latch]

LMAO

[normal shuttle]

Omni mains when their favorite fictional dinosaur can technically run them down if they don’t start running with a 30 meter advantage (less than 3 adult deinos worth of length)

[thick summit]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-goku-opinion-777-im-right-gif-6337973236486328123

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994

“Omni is useless. 20 cm per second is too much. No way to escape!”

[woven bane]

buff omni🗣

[thick summit]

remove omni and replace it with achillobator 🗣️

[urban flax]

remove omni

[normal shuttle]

Take away omni pounce

Nothing is given as a compensation

[desert arch]

Clipped, screenshotted, framed

[woven bane]

https://tenor.com/view/jaw-drop-mask-shocked-wow-mouth-open-gif-16995665

[normal shuttle]

Omni mains on their why to argue why they should be able to have a bite speed good enough for trading when they get one shot by a cera anyways

[woven bane]

🤦‍♂️

[thick summit]

just time your bite

[normal shuttle]

It’s just a joke

Slandering everyone’s favorite Isle OC now

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-troodon-the-isle-troodon-troodon-the-isle-gif-16228850311061178489

Im doing my part!

[woven bane]

alr, what’s your opinion on troodon

[woeful latch]

LMAOOO

[normal shuttle]

Buff it pls, not even worth the hour of growth

[thick summit]

make troodon an apex

[normal shuttle]

You’re better off growing an omni for twice the time

And so much more profit

[desert arch]

Real 😔
Especially after the 20% shadow dmg nerf 💀

[woeful latch]

😎

[woeful latch]

that’s so painful, oh..

[woven bane]

buff venom effects

[normal shuttle]

Did that once to a ptera trying to attack me. Got me like

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-vs-rodan-fight-fly-tail-whip-kaiju-gif-16223789

[woeful latch]

@desert arch stay strong, troodon buffs are coming, believe in that

[desert arch]

Troodon is still peak tho

[thick summit]

revert carno's speed nerf

[desert arch]

Dondi said no in his most recent stream😔

[woeful latch]

oh

[desert arch]

Its troover

[woeful latch]

well that’s very sad..

[woven bane]

troodon remains unviable

[normal shuttle]

Not worth it. Dilo grows in twice its time while being able to hunt at least something that aren’t fawns

And its venom is far more destructive

The fact that it is restricted to like 45 seconds and dilo’s lasts 2 minutes while also bringing prey back to the other 2 minutes of green state without resetting it all 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[woeful latch]

tho my biggest issue with the troodon was always the desync and hitboxes, if they fixed that me life would be a lot easier and i would be a lot happier as troodon and as something that fights troodons

[normal shuttle]

Troodon needs a lot of love to be a solid pick

[desert arch]

Sentenced to only killing fresh spawns in a sanctuary and still getting 1 tapped by them

[woven bane]

fun

[normal shuttle]

Literally anything else is better rn except ptera for PvP in the (land) carnivore roster

Deino is ass 💔

[woven bane]

buff venom dmg to 125 and make it affect stamina consumption trust

[normal shuttle]

I had an idea

[woeful latch]

sanctuary troodon goblin is a lot of fun tbh ahah

[desert arch]

Only viable spot for it tho is sp

[woeful latch]

there’s no trust in you anymore.

[woven bane]

that would hardly make it op

[desert arch]

And staying in the same less than 1km^2 area gets boring after a while 😦

[woeful latch]

true

[desert arch]

Make it only affect running stam, so u can still hold ur ground 🥔 🙏

[woven bane]

that’s what i’m saying

[woeful latch]

sp is the only sanctuary that is actually populated lol

[woeful latch]

that’s a bit more fair, but i would still prefer my own set of buffs

[desert arch]

Also the fact the cycads can be used to knock down, and stun it, which is gg

WHY DOES TROODON EVEN GET STUNNED, ITS SO LIGHT 😭

[woeful latch]

cycads?

[desert arch]

The little trees that make the sanctuary

[woeful latch]

ahhh i see

yeah. but tbf it’s like the only thing that saves from troodons camping the sanctuary

[normal shuttle]

Killing an omni in four tap pounces is crazy

[woven bane]

which is?

[woeful latch]

i remember how during dibble ht i was fighting troodons in sanctuary, that was epic 5 fps gameplay

[woven bane]

forgot to specify, this would only be on stage 3

[desert arch]

I mean, most juvis still 1 shot troodon ;-;

[woeful latch]

a lot more running stam so the prey is forced to fight you, it won’t be able to run away.

no stam cost for pouncing something that has stage 3 thermal venom

stage 1-2 are relatively short, but stage 3 will last 5 minutes and timer resets every time it prey gets pounced.

[woeful latch]

depends, but yeah

[desert arch]

Peak ngl

But Dondi specifically said no to the stam efficiency being buffed

[woeful latch]

oh

[thick summit]

I just beat the crap out of a massive omni pack

[woven bane]

eh opponents faster than it would still be able to stall out the venom or dip

[thick summit]

I love rock pachy

[woeful latch]

what about draining other ones stamina?

[woeful latch]

yes, if it’s faster it’s faster lol

[normal shuttle]

I just made use of a hypsi to betray a sub stego as dibble

Hypsi in vc blinded, I charged in

[woven bane]

so it won’t be able to hunt most of its ideal prey

[woeful latch]

it’s ideal prey can be anything with free pounces on stage 3

[normal shuttle]

Make troodon sprint at 60 kph

Screw biomechanics

[woven bane]

shift + W:

[woeful latch]

it won’t be able to hunt galli/carno/dilo, but all of them are a lot faster

[woven bane]

and omni

maia

sub pachies

[woeful latch]

how? troodon has a lot more stam, you will waste it for nothing and then fight with no stam left lol

[woeful latch]

not enough speed difference to run away far enough to not get tracked

[woven bane]

alr but u can still stall the venom somewhat

[woeful latch]

yes, stage one or two. 3 will last 5 minutes and will reset after each pounce

there’s no escape, you have to fight. either with or without the stam, it’s up to you.

[woven bane]

eh it takes away its fast paced style and draws out the fights

having it affect your stamina forcing you to play it defensively to win against troos would fix all the issues

[normal shuttle]

Troodon is an attrition hunter 😭

[woven bane]

that’s omni

[woeful latch]

only for something that is faster

[normal shuttle]

If you draw out a fight as an omni, your target will get to terrain that prevents you from pouncing/grappling it

[woven bane]

and if you’re slower?

[woeful latch]

no lol.

[normal shuttle]

While troodon can only really just chip away at their health

[woeful latch]

then you can’t outrun so you’re forced to fight from the start

[woven bane]

why not

[woeful latch]

because there’s playables that rely on running to fight, like carno. carno without stam is just silly slow alt bites

maia too, it just dies to troodons

[woven bane]

you do realize that omni does that but it works out fine

[woeful latch]

i want fun fights, i don’t want lame “oh i pounced you i will drain your stam” haha

[normal shuttle]

Locking something into one option when you are soooo hard to spot is such unfun design

[woeful latch]

they drain your stam?

[normal shuttle]

Troodon pounces you out of nowhere and now you’re forced to fight 10 of them.

Great design

[woeful latch]

fighting troodons without being able to run will be a lot of fun, totally balanced

[woven bane]

they deal immense bleed which prevents you from running around + affects stamina regeneration, far more lethal yet it ain’t an issue

[woeful latch]

i will ask this again, do omnis drain stam?

[woven bane]

your suggestion would just take away a part of its identity

[woeful latch]

no. that means i can still run and do stuff.

[normal shuttle]

They do while pounced unironically

Not only slow you down but you lose stamina even as a dibble

[woven bane]

no you CANNOT run because you will die lmao, quit being stubborn

[woeful latch]

i mean ahah sure, but we’re not talking about that

[normal shuttle]

Which is so unnecessary

Yeah

[woeful latch]

why? what if they didn’t pounce me enough?

[normal shuttle]

Do you realize how unfair that sounds? Locking someone into fighting and not giving them even the flight option because a 60kg rat (compared to everything else) came out of the foliage at night and jumped you from behind?

[woeful latch]

i have no idea how you think draining stamina is fun and cool idea and how that is gonna be balanced, it will not.

i want you to play as carno or maia out of stam and fight some troodons for me

[normal shuttle]

It is already hell vs Omnis. Troodons would be arguably more oppressive with that

And for the wrong reasons

[woven bane]

and what if the troodons didn’t pounce you enough to get you to last stage of envenomation (the stamina will drain more when purple).

[woeful latch]

because i don’t want stamina drain lol, its lame, this suggestion is lame

[woeful latch]

like actually do this and then we talk

[desert arch]

Ill dm u what he said

If thats ok

[woven bane]

getting stunlocked by a teno is lame but is needed for balance reason, just as this

[woeful latch]

okay..

[woeful latch]

yeah sure

[woeful latch]

flows, when:

“something something tenontosaurus”

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Too bad they blocked me, I wanted to upvote this
Sounds kinda fun honestly

[woven bane]

just an example, you know i’m right😂

[woeful latch]

they blocked me too

[urban flax]

Probably because I downvoted some of their buff omni feedback some 6 months ago

[woeful latch]

no? comparing that is wild

[woeful latch]

maybe lol

[woven bane]

not wild at all, do you enjoy being immobilized and kicked to death

[woeful latch]

no? but that’s my own fault if i ran into tenos butt

[woven bane]

nobody likes to be at the receiving end of things in general, not something new so idrc if its unfun to deal with as long as it fixes the main issues with it

[woven bane]

and its your fault if u get pounced

[woeful latch]

not how that works.

[woven bane]

sounds like an excuse, double standards as usual

[desert arch]

Atp both of you should be banned for clogging up the feedback channels

[woeful latch]

block me again🥹

[woven bane]

gladly

[woeful latch]

so true

[oblique fable]

@proud hill #general-feedback message

just wanted to say that the idea of certain species Elders being substantionally stronger than their adult age would be super cool to see, maybe not on an Apex Carni...? but def a really cool concept ❤️

[urban flax]

@neon wedge Apparently trike's posture is only like that in character menu
Dinos take different poses in the character menu than their actual in-game idle, trike's in-game idle is much more normal.

[oblique fable]

Trike is also just- like that. Trike shouldn't have the head any lower just cause the posture wouldn't make sense

[neon wedge]

oh good, I thought it might be like that but since I cant see it ingame I couldnt confirm it

[urban flax]

Well not really, irl trike had its head quite low
In the continuation of its spine, like every other animal in existence

[urban flax]

Someone posted some animations he extracted from the game files into blender yesterday
There's two static poses for each dino, one for skin creator and one for in-game

Tho I have no idea why they made trike stand like this in the skin creator. For... clarity.. I guess ?

[oblique fable]

Not really so? Its still relatively high compared to example images people show around here?

[urban flax]

This is fairly accurate

[upper crater]

yall hear me out

[oblique fable]

Maybe not AS high as it is rn, but definitely wouldn't make sense to make it equal height too the shoulder, something I saw people suggesting for

[upper crater]

what if isle added a titanboa

and we could strangle our targets

[urban flax]

Kinda planned, but most likely among the last things to be added because of complexity

[upper crater]

TRUE, but it would be awesome

[urban flax]

But that's how it was

I mean probably was, w're never safe from a new discovery

[oblique fable]

Its no though XD The head isn't that super low

[urban flax]

It's shoulder height

[oblique fable]

and I'm specifically talking about the reference images of people been posting- not the one you shown just now

[neon wedge]

I really dont think that trike had an extremely highly held head like it does in the character menu, it just looks very unnatural

[proud hill]

Yeah i mean anything can work not only giga but some other dino that needs differentiation

[oblique fable]

I can grab an image if anything- but I'm specifically saying that the head being held higher isn't inaccurate /wrong, I do agree its a bit high but it isn't a stretch at all

This image was shared a couple times, the bottom one isn't right at all XD

[proud hill]

my posture be like

[oblique fable]

the neck is good, but the posture of the animal would be strenuous on the spine

[charred thistle]

Can someone explain to me why the devs have to reanimate legacy dinos that are already in base files? Are they not allowed to use the base game files to bring dinos into the mod? What is the reason?

[urban flax]

They need to up them to evrima's quality standards, and most of them require a new rig for the added complexity
Therefore new animations

[icy lion]

Evrima animals have way more animations than legacy's, on an order of magnitude. Additionally the quality may not be up to par, and significant changes to speed would require new animations

[charred thistle]

Fair enough, though I find it hard to believe given so many animations exist already for each dino that it takes them this long to simply move keypoints and keyframes..

[urban flax]

If only it was that easy

[charred thistle]

You increase speed, you increase the keypoints and keyframes and software fills in the gaps. Is that not the case?

[icy lion]

Most of the animations don't already exist, is the thing

[urban flax]

No lol
If they changed even a small thing in the rig, they need to redo at least half of the animation work
And I'm pretty sure all rigs have been thoroughly remade since Legacy

[icy lion]

Up to a certain point yea, minor changes and speed just needs a change in the animation speed. But at a certain point the animal looks ridiculous, and the animation has to be changed or remade if the speed is kept

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message imagine if that’s all just a bug or something, maybe cursed trike idle pose

i would really want to hear the dev talking about trikes model, like is that intentional or not

because the color palette was clearly not. dondi said they will change it

so maybe the model is not the final as well

[urban flax]

I wonder how you can make a color palette unintentional

[woeful latch]

maybe he wasn’t the one making it and he didn’t know it was like that

[icy lion]

Where'd you hear that?

[woeful latch]

i need to find the message, give me a moment

i wish i could search for his messages lmao

[thick summit]

Wrong trike

[icy lion]

The model morph in the skin creator is wrong #isle-discussion message

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/parasyte-lock-in-locked-in-serious-meme-gif-13189278796605253304

[thick summit]

That is triceratops horridus. Ti's trike is a triceratops prorsus

[icy lion]

The color choice is intentional #isle-discussion message

[normal shuttle]

I will say it just once

Titanoboa is TRASH

It won’t work in the isle!!!!

[icy lion]

Where does that say trike's current color options are unintentional?

[normal shuttle]

Never ever ever ever

Trash design. Deino clone but worse and Deino is hot garbage design wise already

Titanoboa suggestions should be prohibited in fact. If I were a dev I would make that a rule

I am gonna apply for afterthought just so I can do that

[woeful latch]

wait does he mean he will get better palette or does he mean he will make all the palettes relatively the same? maybe i misread that lmao

[normal shuttle]

/hj

[woeful latch]

sometimes dondi speaks with fancy words i can’t understand

[urban flax]

Actually Isle's Triceratops is neither Horridus or Porosus, since it is a fictional creature made without using a single fragment of dinosaur DNA

[woeful latch]

maybe i actually misread that lmaooo

[thick summit]

Yeah but the skull resembles that of a triceratops prorsus

Btw porosus is not a triceratops

[urban flax]

Titanoboa = arboreal apex
There. You have no argument anymore, you can leave this server.

[thick summit]

https://tenor.com/bTxFr.gif

[normal shuttle]

Dondi thinks that snakes and birds don’t exist ig

Flamingos litter the landscape, so did borealopelta and sinosauropteryx

We all know dinosaurs were all coffee colored because JP said so

[thick summit]

Porosus

[normal shuttle]

[thick summit]

Anyway

[woeful latch]

the isle was so cool they added dinosaurs irl

[urban flax]

Fun fact : In the novel, dinosaurs were thorougly described as having very colorful and varied patterns

[thick summit]

Idm the triceratops species

I actually don't dislike the idea of every species having limited set of colours

[woeful latch]

tricerugops

[normal shuttle]

cracks knuckles

Mald+skill issue+cope+herra dive bomb deleting it+slow ash in land+no reliable food in trees+no jumping+hard to program to look any decent+too big to climb+ratio+L+titanoboa is mid

[normal shuttle]

😭 😭 😭 the more I know about it, the more I dislike some of Spielberg’s choices

[urban flax]

Hm, same
But more pattern variety should compensate
In the wild, animals of the same species having different colors is very rare, while different patterns happen a lot

[woeful latch]

i like an idea of team recognition, like for example if you see something orange ish far away you will know for sure it’s a maia, same with the dibble being green

stuff like that is not bad

[proud coral]

I'm fine with more limited color choices, but right now for things like Maia and Trike, it's more so just the same three colors that are barely different from one another, then 20 essentially identical duplicates that the sliders don't even work on.

[woeful latch]

basically yeah

[normal shuttle]

Titanoboa would get deleted in any niche. It is BAD

Snakes, let alone giant snakes, don’t work

ALSO I FORGOT

+MEGALANIA

Megalania can climb!!!! Titanoboa is bad!!!

[proud coral]

Not asking for rainbow dinosaurs, just....better variety <:P

[thick summit]

^

Imo they should give some species warm and some species cold colours

[urban flax]

"Herrera dive bombe deleting it" - How do you dive bomb something in a tree ?
"Slow ash in land" - Yeah obviously, no issue there
"No reliable food in trees" - Herreras. Also, ambushing people under the trees.
"No jumping" - Not needed
"Hard to program to look any decent" - Ok but skill issue
"Too big to climb" - No. If we can put houses in trees, you better believe we can put a big boa there
"Titanoboa is mid" - It's leagues better than allo

[proud coral]

Can green also exist more please.
Green.
Not vomit yellow.

[urban flax]

Megalania wouldn't be good at climbing
Also titanoboa food

[thick summit]

And maybe give some species different colours depending on gender

[proud coral]

I dislike Boa but I am not against it. It can totally work through the power of "video game".
Even then, that power is not NEEDED.

[urban flax]

I don't want titanoboa specifically tbh
But I'd love to have more than 2 tree-dwelling creatures

[proud coral]

I'd love to have more than two flyers ;_;

[urban flax]

Flying velo is the answer
Flying+arboreal

Would probably need some upsizing, to like 30kg or something

I want all-rounder velo so much tbh
Good hunger and thirst drain so it can go pretty much wherever it wants
Scavenger
Can climb
Can fly short distances
Can burrow
Good swimming speed (maybe even able to dive ?)

Might even make it a cannibal as well

[proud coral]

I've loved the idea of Velo and Oro being the super generalists for beginner players C:

[urban flax]

Yes
I still want to believe that we'll get a feathered velo

[normal shuttle]

1. Look at herra fights. It’s literally like in Fortnite: you get the high ground. All you need is getting the high ground and then nuke the snake down

2. Too slow and it has to go down at some point if it wants to eat something in the ground or a drink. It would be far more vulnerable than herras and also without a jump to get height quickly

3. Literally herras and hypsis could just jump off the tree, and having a creature that can only really hunt stuff that lives in the trees is such a tiny pool for it to be effective

4. True, because it would go extinct!!

5. I agree, skill issue

6. Agreed, but it would look so weird trying to climb some vertical surface like a rock wall, and furthermore it would for sure gain height much slower than herra or hypsi, thus being limited only to ambushes and it is completely cooked if it gets caught in the ground

7. The bar is in hell

[urban flax]

If not, I'll gather some people to make a modded flying velo of official quality

[urban flax]

Sure titanoboa would be vulnerable on the ground, but it could be as much as 2 tons, not really something to be trifled with if it can defend itself properly
And once herrera used its high ground and pounced on a titanoboa, it gets eaten

And uh... weird trying to climb vertical surfaces ? Have you played Snake Pass ?
Or just, ever watched a snake climb ?

[normal shuttle]

You literally can go through targets to deal damage with the herra hitbox. Boa would get dunked on by things it cannot even hunt reliably since they would just jump off or to another tree and ruin its whole hunt

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, small snakes climbing bricks or trees

But not a 1.5-2 ton beast without limbs going up a polished concrete wall

[urban flax]

Big snakes climb trees too
How do you think boas get up there ?

[normal shuttle]

A current boa isn’t 2 tons and never in my life I’ve seen one climb a concrete wall

[urban flax]

Okay then, don't let titanoboa climb concrete walls
Don't you know the Isle heavily fictionalizes animals ?

[normal shuttle]

Yes!! And I think it could climb trees

Still mid that it can only really hunt stuff in the trees that can jump out at any time and that it can get ran down in land by something like an allo or cera groups

[urban flax]

I know full well titanoboa irl could probably barely even go on land
But who cares, carno didn't charge, herrera didn't do bodyslams from 30 meters igh nor did it climb, stego didn't hover above the ground either, yet here we are

[urban flax]

It could also hunt things on the ground
Just give it some sort of lunge
And probably in water too, if it's a decently good swimmer

[normal shuttle]

Thing is, how do you animate a snake moving at more than 30kph without making it look dumb? One of that size

[icy lion]

Don't make it faster than that, simple

[urban flax]

You don't, 30 kph on the ground is enough
It's fine if titanoboa is vulnerable when on the ground
But again, it could be given good defensive abilities to compensate

[normal shuttle]

Okay, and here comes the biggest problem with titanoboa.

I am assuming you want the damn giant snake to suffocate things, right?

That means it needs to complete the grab and kill its target to make any progress unlike stuff like a grapple or pounce that omni can have

That means you can only attack lone targets then. Not only they have to be the right size but if you try jumping a cera, the other one will maul you because it is far too fictional to now expect the snake to move as it constricts something

[urban flax]

No I don't

I think constricting is dumb and boring

[normal shuttle]

So it would get ran down and killed by many things 😭

[urban flax]

That's why it would get safety either in the trees or in water

[nocturne minnow]

Ok got to ask since EVERYBODY is down voting my suggestion of picking spawn locations as a fresh character and or being able to kill your character because there is no reason you should spend a whole session trying to meet up with your friends or get a spawn that you want

[normal shuttle]

So…either hanging around the trees to not get slammed, or being deino clone

[urban flax]

Me when every semiaquatic is a deino clone :

[normal shuttle]

I love having 80% of the players in south plains and water access

[icy lion]

That's why the devs are adding a party-spawn system in the form of Spawn Codes. It's currently in public testing

[urban flax]

And uh, that's called a niche

[normal shuttle]

Titanoboa, the tanky yet slow in ground ambush hunter

But with gateway as it is it would get destroyed by deino

Not like it matters much now though

[urban flax]

It ain't tanky

2 tons isn't tanky

[nocturne minnow]

they could add a max amount of dinos in a location to be maxed and not a pickable spawn so they would have to pick a different one

[normal shuttle]

What do you propose to make it good at defending itself in land if it is not fast nor tanky then?

All it would probably take is two tenos or a single dibble to destroy it as soon as it goes down from a tree

[urban flax]

Probably some sort of defensive stance, like snakes do when they curl up when threatened, powerful attacks, eventually some CC

[icy lion]

@torpid lava Carno's group limit is 3

[normal shuttle]

So kinda dibble but worse?

[urban flax]

So kinda not the same thing at all, but yeah, they would both have a defensive stance

[normal shuttle]

How would that work? People also move to different locations

[white elm]

Cc... how?

[normal shuttle]

But in this one I am assuming it cannot move

[normal shuttle]

Stun with the bite

[nocturne minnow]

idk but i know red dead 2 did it with setting campsites. You could pick a location but if there were too many in that area it would be grayed out and unavailable to pick so you would have to pick a different one that neighbors that location

[torpid lava]

@icy lion why are there pack of 6 an 7 walking together lol the fights are impossible

[icy lion]

Official servers have no gameplay rules, people can hang out above their group limits, just like the 9 raptors you mentioned

[torpid lava]

i play unofficial triassic survival an going to west is like going to carno city

whys there a limit on say dinos when there are 50 carnos

[icy lion]

Well, you can make suggestions about their group sizes in their discord

[torpid lava]

they should be a solo player as there type tho no?

[icy lion]

I'm not sure what you mean

[torpid lava]

instead of x3 limit a alpha pred should be a solo/ maybe duo role

[icy lion]

Carno isn't an alpha or apex predator, it hunts small game. Its group limit is still very low for something its size at 3

Deino's group size is 2, for reference

[urban flax]

Yeah probably not

[urban flax]

Not sure
A tail slap would be pretty unrealistic, so probably some form of heavy bite that can momentarily pin an opponent to the ground, or a grab and yeet

[normal shuttle]

So this hypothetical titanoboa better have the absolute best defensive stance in the entire game if it is less mobile than that of dibble and trike

Or has even less defensive capabilities than an anky lol

Pound for pound of course

[urban flax]

In my mind it would be pretty good
But the best solution would be to not get caught far away from trees, just like with herrera

I don't think it would be good enough that a titanoboa would have the advantage against a dibble in a head-on ground fight

But tbh barely anything has the advantage against a dibble in a head-on ground fight

I agree there is one flaw with this titanoboa concept tho
A deino-like lunge would be bad
One-hit kill lunges are bad

However
Hard to make an ambusher unable to pursuit without a one-hit kill

Or maybe give it venom
But that sounds kinda cheap

[mortal parrot]

@torpid lava Carno's group limit is 3

Groups don't even really do anything that affects things massively, it just shows who is in your group and where they are when nearby

[vapid harbor]

@late plank we already have that xd

[late plank]

do we?

how

[hidden mist]

Drowning.

[late plank]

yeah and how bout while running or jumping alot

maybe there could be a mutation that would allow carnis to hear other animals heartbeats

[urban flax]

That would defeat the point of heartbeats
They're here to warn you that you're about to die

[late plank]

idk it seems realistic when in situations where your bp is increased considering the game is focused on realism

[urban flax]

It's not focused on realism, also you don't necessarily hear your own heartbeat when doing a demanding activity
We don't actually hear from inside the dinos either

Panting sounds are sufficient
I hate it when games shove heartbeat sounds in your ears at the slightest occasion

Right now heartbeat sounds serve a gameplay purpose, and it's fine that way

[waxen moss]

@golden horizon they alr did changed the knockdown duration in the HT (Hordetesting) for Cera, Dilo and Carno

[golden horizon]

Oh so does that mean, that stunlocking wont be a thing anymore?

I couldn't test it myself, cause the peformance on ht is just absolutely horrendous and unplayable, but I guess we will find out when it comes to live branch in a month or so

[waxen moss]

I did Knockdown a Carno as a Dibble 10 minutes ago in the Hordetesting and i could only hit it once because it stood up and ran. it's better than it is on the current version.

[golden horizon]

That seems pretty good tbh, but it's hard to jugde without seeing it for yourself. I hope the hordetesting doesn't take too long

[potent solar]

when more race of dinos will join?

[thick summit]

There is currently a hordetest

They're currently disabled but triceratops and tyrannosaurus are planned to get added during said test

[normal shuttle]

if you pay close attention to streams, announcements and this discord, you'd know there's NO ETAs

and also that trike and rex are releasing soon

🥰

[mortal parrot]

@prisma fern The game does have locational damage and damage modifiers in certain areas for certain playables, like biting the head does a ton of damage and Dibbles take very little damage to head attacks

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message what? and why?

like...I don't even know where to start

all Elders are meant to be strong, and why make giga as an adult deliberately weaker to serve no role purpose other than saving everything for elder?

[golden bane]

#general-feedback message its a bug, it happens with dilo too, sometimes

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

@valid estuary I imagine it would be a decent way of attacking prey from the side/rear. And sure, maybe body would be more optimal, but it would allow more hunting styles, and some angles might make it an easier hit. I'll admit it probably isn't the most useful, but it makes sense as a possibility.

[gritty heart]

I'd rather a Microraptor if they want to make a flying arboreal tbh.

[valid estuary]

a predator instinct is most likely to go for the jugular or spine i just don’t see rex leaving itself open to bite something’s leg while already positioned upright

[gritty heart]

like I said, it probably makes more sense for rex to go for other bite positions. But I think it should be able to punish legs if it feels like because it could. Is the player playing optimally if they focus on tryna get legs? Possibly not. But they could do it

[valid estuary]

i’m just saying i don’t really know how it would maybe unless a alt bite

[icy lion]

@modern dawn What do you mean?

[modern dawn]

We have dedicated servers here in the isle, and people are stuck in Q times for hours to get to dinos they alr grew. then if we want to switch maps or game modes we have to redownload the entire game. Creating an interface with multi player modes, a single player mode with a tutorial, a section for community servers would be handy

[eternal moss]

i get what you're saying.

@gray basin ask that in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[gray basin]

thanks

[elder sluice]

fix the brain damage causing rain sound

[mild isle]

Uh really late but I’m scrolling

They probably thought/think giga would end up being really weak as an adult anyways compared to other apexes- like on legacy how it was weaker than Rex and Spino- so probably just thought giga was gonna get the short end as adult still and therefore suggested it’s elder be super strong ?? (Idk for sure but maybe this makes sense)

[burnt mason]

more NA servers for evrima pleas, these ques are killing me

[errant zealot]

does anyone know how to fix this graphical glitch im getting where there is just a wall of darkness in 1 direction?

[desert karma]

anyone know when trik is coming back to hoardtesting?

[icy lion]

@karmic isle That's a bug

[karmic isle]

should i report

[icy lion]

Sure!

[covert tiger]

specify in the bug report that this is happening only if lumen is off

[karmic isle]

ok

[sacred crystal]

Don't want this lengthy message to be filling a screen but for those it may pertain to or can get some ideas from. It is just a couple aquatic/marine life dinosaurs I think would be great additions with some details on balance and abilities. Hopefully allowed here 😅

[gritty heart]

I like the ichthy idea but that’s about it (though I think they should be able to go in freshwater for as long as they want, in theory).
Plus, with their nimbleness it would be somewhat easy to balance them as losing to deinos but escaping.

Dunc seems too obviously pre dinosaur for my tastes.

And mosa just seems too big. It would probably turn into even more of a starving sim than deino already is. Plus, deinos roaming with saltwater aren’t exactly eating much, so I wouldn’t consider them much of an issue.

(Ofc, I don’t think the sea is much of a dev concern at all)

[sacred crystal]

True wasn't paying to Dunks time period when researching for examples. But Mosa actually wasn't as big as cinematics portray, the length is comparative to deinosuchus actually. And they are working on salt water stuff from what I saw in phase three request, think that's where I first tried to post this lol.

[supple pine]

I didn’t finish this, but I think all the sea needs is a few new Ai that function like Elite Fish that can’t eat you. Some Amonites to swim sound slowly and be snatched up by hungry shore bound predators, future marine playables, or even diving pterosaurs. At the moment, none of those later two seem to be planned, but I think a couple simple marine Ai would be all they need to thrive, if they just spawned in high enough numbers.

I’d love to see elasmosaurus in the game, but there’s currently nothing for it to do, and also nesting would have to be weird or totally different.

[supple pine]

There were a lot of Mosasaur species out there, and only a couple were huge, so yeah, plenty to choose from.

[gritty heart]

I’m aware they are smaller than JW’s grossly oversized one.

It depends on the mosasaur type I suppose. Some are smaller, but Hoffmann is a good bit larger. Definitely could be included at some point, but it would probably make sense to build the sea up like the land is, staring smaller before adding apexes.

[gritty heart]

They can add any non grabbing ai they want, as a beipi player having to avoid even the ai is annoying xd. I wish aquatics could fight back when grabbed. Like, are you telling me the theri style claws stopped working?

[sacred crystal]

Both of you are right but its why those were my examples. I did have more thought into dunks because they reminded me of pirahnas lol. So depending on fg size they could be the smaller dino to start with like the ichty but solely for freshwater. Also most of my thought process came to balance and give deinosuchus something to eat while adding more aquatic gameplay. And honestly just to pester deinos lurking at the waters edges, drive them to go on land or stop lurking about. The diving ptero is a good idea but I was trying to stray from adding another semi aquatic playable.

[vague gale]

Idk where to put this but I was playing in server EU 1 as a full grown crea and me and 2 others found one of the human bases and when looking around I suddenly fell through the map and fell into water I tried finding close land but it was to far and a really don't want to loose that progress to a sudden hole in the map :(.

[supple pine]

Which is Heli? And yeah, I’m hoping that bigger playables like Barry and Allo will be able to attack when they get Deino-ed. Use those muscular, articulate arms to reach around and claw at the eyes.

[sacred crystal]

bug reports or goto the official servers channel for EU 1. Also try /unstuck

[supple pine]

Incidentally, any marine reptiles could swim upriver if they fit through the gap in the wall at River delta. Since they still use lungs, it’s just their skin that would be bothered by the change in scenery.

[vague gale]

ty

[sacred crystal]

Well you can't take deino into saltwater forever without mutation so adjusting the time for needing to go back in salt water wouldnt be hard I feel.

[gritty heart]

Meant beipi, got horrifically autocorrected

[gritty heart]

Im not sure why they would be freshwater. Wouldn’t something like Hyneria be a better candidate for bullying small deinos in freshwater?

[supple pine]

Oh yeah, drinking. Imagine if marine playables needed to unlock a mutation to drink fresh water! That’s be neat.

[sacred crystal]

Dunks were a subtropical, but it is a game so you can make changes to whatever you want. Deinosuchus were saltwater creatures from what I read.

Or found in fresh and saltwater biomes I mean. ^

[sacred crystal]

But yeah I thought about ichty being able to get a fresh water mutation would be a good idea. They could grow up in saltwater then navigate up streams or swim back into the saltwater to get away from predators.

[woeful latch]

what’s POI? #general-feedback message

[sacred crystal]

Point of interest.

[vague gale]

okay so Im unsure if goto is my only opinion bc with the bug form it has the image or video which I both dont have bc idk how to record my isle nor had time to take a picture in time and I couldn't even type unstuck before dying the moment a finished. sorry im farly new to this type of thing

[thick summit]

^

[sacred crystal]

All good, scroll down the channels more to see the chat channel for servers. F2 is how you start and stop recording ingame. Sadly if you died they won't be able to bring it back and will say to start over, sorry 😦

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message 💀 this is so wrong

[sacred crystal]

@gritty heart@supple pine Enjoyed the discussion though, hope ya'll have a good one!

[supple pine]

Likewise!

[gritty heart]

You too

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message it’s so easy to find ai and plants nowdays, how do people struggle with that

[gritty heart]

The ai all seems to spawn in a few locations and barely anywhere else in my experiences west rail access has the full buffet and other parts get famine

[woeful latch]

hm.. idk about that, i’ve seen ai everywhere expect swamps/jungles

tho swamps spawn ai too, just not as often

we got almost too much AI, i see carnos/ceras overpacking like crazy and sustaining those packs by eating ai

[urban flax]

3kg
Compy-sized

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message real

[frank tapir]

ai in swamps is mostly around the edges

[woeful latch]

yes

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message stego acturlly has waay too much weight. Irl it only weigh between 3.1-3.8 tons and grew between 6.5-9 meters in length while an allo can grew up to 10 meters in length

[meager yoke]

@spice wagon instead of saying "make xyz thing better to play" could you expand on what you want done for those dinos?

[urban flax]

There are 6 ton stego estimates

[golden horizon]

I guess it depends on which species it is

[valid estuary]

this the isle we need 7 ton stego

[golden horizon]

I want 4 ton omni

[normal shuttle]

Allo is there and it’s 3 tons

[frank tapir]

@urban flax #general-feedback message wouldn't stegos be able to nearly one-shot each other if headshot multipliers applied twice?

[urban flax]

Yeah
But adding damage modifiers doesn't necessarily mean damage values have to stay the same
Either its base attack damage could be reduced, or the extra multiplier on its head removed

[sweet anchor]

Do people overall think carno is in a good place rn?

[normal shuttle]

carno is better than cera at anything but brawling and big game hunting. It takes a lot more skill to use and maybe stuff could be buffed like growth time and hunger drain, but it works fine and it is in a very good and healthy place right now as a small game hunter

Carno is actually scary as anything dilo sized or below, or even a good carno could put up a fight against a mediocre or bad cera

Back then it used to be super toxic and an unstoppable death machine, so it being like B or A tier right now in the game is far from tragic

[sweet anchor]

What are those "anythings" that the carno is better than the cerato at?

[unique mirage]

killing juvies

[sweet anchor]

Does the cerato struggle in killing juvies?

[normal shuttle]

Fleeing from unfavorable matchups, taking down smaller and more mobile prey (maybe even too good at this), more viable juvenile/sub when spotted, traversing the map

They are polar opposites right now really

[sweet anchor]

All his advantages stem from the faster speed?

[unique mirage]

speed is its whole thing

[sweet anchor]

Well it was also meant to be the headbutt

[normal shuttle]

Speed is the most important stat in the entire game

Also the charge is extremely good to consistently be a menace to anything that is 700kg or less

Carno in the open is actually terrifying rn

[wooden agate]

hes a small game hunter who mainly uses the headbutt to immobalize smaller animals and deal damage with

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message wouldn’t this also make it easier to hit a carno

[wooden agate]

hes not bad, just a very specific role. he needs his growth time shortened tho

[normal shuttle]

^

[woven bane]

if only it didn’t need a long windup for the knockdowns…

[wooden agate]

probably a little but speed

i also wouldnt hate carno being physically a bit more menacing in terms of looks

[wooden agate]

didnt they change that in HT

[sweet anchor]

Last time I checked you had to run really far to knock anyone down

[normal shuttle]

If you are an omni or even a galli not near the water or a place to climb, you are DONE if 2+ carnos see you. Very much inescapable

[woven bane]

not as far as i know

[wooden agate]

oh wait no nvm that was referring to stun times on those creatures

[normal shuttle]

Nah like 5 seconds to knock a dilo down or stun ceras

[wooden agate]

i thought the patch note about fixing carno being stunned for 10 years was about fixing carno stun on its ram

yeah i wouldnt mind carno getting some knockback love

[sweet anchor]

Running for 5s is a pretty long distance