general-feedback-discussion

[woeful latch]

anything else that is not on diet has organs

tho for carno it doesn’t matter since boar and deer give it S and dots so it really only needs the lines

[woven bane]

yes which is why dilo should be on its diet, there aren’t any herbis for it to hunt

[woeful latch]

not every herbivore is an adult, juvies and subs are an easy target for the carno

like honestly 90% of the issues community has with the carno is just none sense and skill issue

carno is GOOD‼️‼️‼️

[woven bane]

its underperforming, mainly because of its bleed resistance and its charge not being useful enough

[woeful latch]

it’s charge is very useful

[woven bane]

sub and juvi herbis aren’t so common, most just afk in some random part of the map

[woeful latch]

i guess it’s more of the game issue, not carno

[woven bane]

a raptor can tank multiple charges

[woeful latch]

maybe we should force herbivores to not hide around the map and stuff and not afk grow

[woeful latch]

idk really, one good headshot charge + alt attack combo is a death sentence

tho ofc it’s not easy to hit that headshot

but imo omni being a one shot for the carno seems unfair, it should be able to afford at least one mistake

[woven bane]

you can only knock them down after charging for an absurd amount of time, if a raptor gets headshotted by a carno its doing something wrong

[woeful latch]

i guess, tho it’s difficult to keep up with the carnos when there’s 3 running around you and charging.

solo carno is dangerous, but carno group is menace

i doubt any small tier or even cera can survive 3 carnos

it’s just impossible

[woven bane]

as it should

[woeful latch]

yeah, i agree

i’d say carnos charges are kinda easy to dodge, but you can’t dodge 3 carnos at the same time, one of the will definitely hit you

like even for the teno it’s rather difficult fight since they’re charging you from multiple sides

that’s one of the reasons i don’t really want carno to receive any hp buffs. or like any buffs at all tbh

i just feel like it’s in a good spot right now and it’s also my favorite carnivore in the game

tho everyone is free to disagree with me

[fathom tulip]

Carno just feels a little 1-dimensional now imo, they just spam charge like their in a jousting match. Used to see Carnos do a lot more regular and alt-bites

[woven bane]

tbf that’s just in general, anything with a group advantage will be hard to fight against especially if they’re faster

[woeful latch]

yes, but carno has something that no other playable in the game has, it can choose its fights and nothing can outrun it.

literally no other playable has that

(sorry galli, you’re not brawler enough)

[woven bane]

compensation, it can’t brawl

[woeful latch]

not when it’s alone, but 3 carnos can do a lot of damage

tho skill matters a lot ofc

[woven bane]

yea if they’re fighting a solo player

[woeful latch]

yeah, bigger solo herbivores won’t have fun fighting 3 carnos at the same time

[urban flax]

@rose pendant From what I've heard them say the devs have removed regional pricing a long time ago

[rose pendant]

prices are still like 1/5th that of EU/US

[wintry cipher]

As much as I agree to make it harder for hackers wouldnt that just screw normal players over?

[austere field]

Fml the wiki was wrong

i havent played it in awhile bc of the nerfs lol

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[junior nymph]

lol yeah 2:50 it sucks

[woeful latch]

it will and it won’t fix the issue

[austere field]

Ugh, and literally so miserable to play as now

[rose pendant]

Do they have the dev time to dedicate to fixing cheating though. Its not a perfect solution but its one that requires 0 dev time

[wintry cipher]

Yeah might be better to just hang tight and keep reporting hackers. They are actively improving the anti-cheat so hopefully theyll figure something out.

[sweet galleon]

When can dilo use his venom ? With 41% or 50%

[nova sparrow]

41

[sweet galleon]

Ok thx

[supple pine]

Also, when we get the two small ceratopsians that are in the works, it’ll give Carno some more interesting prey options.

[woeful latch]

yeah more small tiers more things to hunt for the carno

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message did you draw that?

that’s so cute omg

and i like the idea to make ptera and troodon scavengers too

[supple pine]

Yep. My brain keeps theory crafting, but I can’t think of a good way to put all my ideas into a paragraph that doesn’t ramble. This reads easier for me.

[woeful latch]

🥹

[radiant nest]

@tender latch why… why block the bot…

[tender latch]

i forgor

[woven bane]

fuzzy has blocked almost everyone in this server, have never spoken to the guy but i ended up on his list somehow lmao

[radiant nest]

It’s his his whole thing apart from Elden ring and drg and not playing the isle

[green niche]

blocked almost everyone?

[green niche]

have you blocked me 🥺

[tender latch]

no

[eager socket]

@gloomy reef it is a new model, new skin, new grow it’s all new

[gloomy reef]

It doesnt look so

[white elm]

#general-feedback message do you really want them to redo ALL the animations, all the textures?

[gloomy reef]

it lit looks like they resized the old model 😭

[gloomy reef]

yes.... thats normally what u do when u redo a model..

model wise it would prob take away a couple weeks

[icy lion]

You want rex to be delayed another year?

[gloomy reef]

idk about texturing or animations

[icy lion]

It has over 600 animations

[gloomy reef]

.

[icy lion]

The time to suggest a new model for an animal is before it enters development

Rex is almost finished in development

[gloomy reef]

right

[icy lion]

Not only is it a massive time investment, the devs get paid so it's a massive monetary investment

[gloomy reef]

why does it need over 600 animations for tho..

[eager socket]

That photo Rex is toothless lol

[white elm]

Animating and texturing takes a long time

[gloomy reef]

u get what i mean tho

[icy lion]

Because it changes proportions and niches drastically over its growth

[gloomy reef]

not texturing

texturing maybe a couple weeks too

[icy lion]

You can't use the same animations for a juvie as a subadult as an adult

[eager socket]

Most Dino’s got that many from idle, attacks, movement, growth, interactions etc etc

[gloomy reef]

ah

[white elm]

Still, it's an unnecessary change for a game that is not necessarily going for palaeoaccuracy

[gloomy reef]

u right

[eager socket]

I do I just don’t agree why change what works it ignores all the skin diversity and growth stages

[gloomy reef]

so animations are the main problem with remaking dinos

[icy lion]

I mean all of it is

[gloomy reef]

im just asking for a overall realistic rex model

not super realistic

[eager socket]

What’s wrong with this model?

[gloomy reef]

The whole 3d phase is not rlly time consuming

[gloomy reef]

its gotten old at this point..

[icy lion]

Any amount of time is also a cost

[eager socket]

Old and beloved

[gloomy reef]

old beloved and used to

😭

i mean how about the sound design then??

[eager socket]

But like envirma Rex has like 7 grow stages

[icy lion]

It's getting paleo calls

[gloomy reef]

WAIT FR

[eager socket]

It’s gonna have so many different looks and play styles

[gloomy reef]

OK IM SATISFIED WITH THAT

[eager socket]

Na they changing the 1 call!?

[gloomy reef]

i dont like the 1 call

😭

[icy lion]

It's getting both the paleo calls and the legacy sound suite

[green niche]

Idk guys i think rex is missing something.... something vitally important. It requires a very particuoar change

[icy lion]

You can choose which you want to use

[gloomy reef]

teeth

[eager socket]

Paleo cringe, reject paleo embrace Jurassic park

[gloomy reef]

NAH

[eager socket]

[green niche]

This

Rex should look like these guys but big with teeth

[eager socket]

Next thing bros gonna say is he wants fur on Rex

[gloomy reef]

.

[eager socket]

[gloomy reef]

i mean can we get some fur on the REX??

[eager socket]

DONT YOU DARE YOU FEIND

[gloomy reef]

something like the dilo

[eager socket]

your a monster

[gloomy reef]

hairy elbows or chin

[white elm]

The common ancestor of all dinosaurs had feathers to some degree

[eager socket]

[gloomy reef]

ty

[white elm]

Dinos had to manually deevolve feathers

[eager socket]

Don’t encourage him

[gloomy reef]

these are the part of the isles community i like 🙂

[white elm]

Assume that a given dino had feathers until there is proof that it didn't

proof as in skin impressions

[green niche]

Saif, my brother in feathers, we both know that these dinos need to be fluffy floofballs

[eager socket]

XD

I wouldn’t mean like a pattern D for every Dino and it’s them but with feathers

[green niche]

If the dinos weight isnt at least 50% deathers is it really a dino

We should give

Feathers

To deino

😈

[gloomy reef]

NOW WERE THINKING

COMPRIMISES

[gloomy reef]

OOOO

[eager socket]

This is a Age old suggestion

[gloomy reef]

furry deino

[eager socket]

Perish

Yall can burn for that one

Ngl saif the more I look at that photo that looks like bro got caught in a compromising position

[green niche]

The embers of my body shall spark the truth that will be seen

[eager socket]

Uh huh

[versed burrow]

why ya'll hating on the omniraptor ambush speed bonus

[eager socket]

Don’t need it

[versed burrow]

I think it's only fair, Gali's get their flock bonus speed, Herra's get to 1 tap raptors & below, Cera's have their unbelievable annoying 1 bite sickness trait. Give something back to the raptors!

[icy lion]

Grappling and pinning

[eager socket]

^

Group omni best omni

[versed burrow]

I see, although this is near impossible to do when there are multiple herbivores in a pack or even worse - the dirty mixpackers are around.

[eager socket]

Bleed

[versed burrow]

Which brings me to my next point, the stamina drain is way to crazy for pouncing. When we've pounced something we can't do anything but rest and they end up just getting away because I'll have like 30% stam left after one pounce

[eager socket]

The problem is any increase would make a full damage pounce do insane damage you already can get 1k damage from a full stam ride

[versed burrow]

The "prey" will end up outrunning raptors and kill us because we run out of stam

[versed burrow]

1k damage? is that real

[eager socket]

Most mobile Dino that can shift direction on a wim

[eager socket]

Yes that’s real

[versed burrow]

I stand corrected.

[eager socket]

A solo omni can do 1k damage on a full pounce ignoring duo or trio

IGNORING 12 MAN GROUPS potentially 12 tons of dps

[versed burrow]

That is left clicking while pouncing?

[eager socket]

Yes damage pounce

[versed burrow]

Ah, thank you for the information sir. I now belive the omniraptor doesn't need the ambush speed bonus.

[eager socket]

Get some friends the more the better nest more and then begin your reign of terror (only 2 to pin a dilo”)

Cera run out of stam super fart with 2 on it and will get pinned super fast

[versed burrow]

Yeah I play in a group of 4, we're just noobs lol

[eager socket]

Carno bleed Tod earth super easily against omni

[eager socket]

I gotcha if yall in later I can come show yall the ropes

Might try and do nested omni

[foggy pendant]

wdym full pounce? Meaning your opponent's E key isn't working?

[eager socket]

Bucking is chance based

[foggy pendant]

Mhm

[limber hull]

sadly

[foggy pendant]

yeah it feels bad from both ends

[limber hull]

yea chance based mechanics arent great. its especially weird because bucking is like, the only combat mechanic with any form of chance in it

[eager socket]

Plus all bucking does is force a normal dismount

So trees are your best friend

[foggy pendant]

Sometimes you get bucked off and instakilled on the first buck when you pounce as omni, other times the raptor just keeps hanging on despite bucking as prey

[foggy pendant]

? Not in my experience. If you get bucked off as omni atm you have a 3 second recovery animation which is pretty much guarenteed death

If you dismount via spacebar you don't get that

[white elm]

what would you propose as an alternative

[eager socket]

Ignoring the extra stam drain from being mounted

[indigo gulch]

trees are super strong anyways, why would you ever buck if there is one near you

[limber hull]

honestly, give it a "stability" bar, akin to dilo or dibble's charges

it goes down passively while pouncing and recharges while off. Bucking breaks through those, and once the raptor is out, bucking will instead heavily drain stam instead

encourages you to use other raptors to take over while you rest and makes bucking more effective over time, while not making it instantly annoying

[indigo gulch]

I'd rather spend stam running to a tree

[foggy pendant]

pro tip for omnis - use a and d to move to the back of your target. It makes it a lot harder to get you off via tree

[limber hull]

mind you this is a really top of my head random idea i just came up with, its very likely flawed

[indigo gulch]

oh yeah I'm aware, but it's still pretty easy to get them off

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-vulture-intriguing-jared-leto-morbius-sweep-gif-25682740

[latent olive]

put that in general feedback NOW

[normal shuttle]

wth

why did they remove the cheater feedback

[icy lion]

We expect posts in the feedback channels to be constructive and descriptive. Your post failed to comply and was removed. You can check the pinned messages in #evrima-na #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[hollow mirage]

You ever ride a bike in goat sim? Make it like that fr

[limber hull]

thats extremely funny

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i agree, but not for hunting herreras, but to shake them off the tree so you have some time to drink from the pond they camp

and it should only work with the thin trees imo and obviously not every playable should be able to shake them off

[tardy talon]

bro 😭

[white elm]

Why is the corpse cooking necessary??

[tardy talon]

this has to be a troll

[limber hull]

Zeus on his way to strike down the dryo for hanging out with a troodon for 1 minute

[junior nymph]

@jagged pulsar thats not how deino grab works lol

you have to be DOUBLE the players weight to drag them under it takes like a 86% deino to grab a dibble 60% to grab one thats 2T that is not juvie lol

[tame jetty]

@silver star herrera has a height damage limit?? Do you know where that caps? (Middle of the tallest tree, or top or)
I've been climbing highest point of tree to try make maximum damage, but ig that's in vain lol?

[hidden mist]

~700 is the max Herrera can do. Probably applies right before you see the "broken bones" icon on the jump cue.

[minor needle]

why is the trailer not being updated to evrima?

[tame jetty]

Thank you

[turbid trellis]

700? I assume thats with a headshot? I thought the max was 450

[woven bane]

@woeful latch why do u disagree?

[sudden shell]

@dawn hound
the only thing about this i dont like is that id rather herrera just get an overall water based buff

[modest dock]

lol so many people disagreeing for some reason today

just pointed a fact and still 🤷‍♂️ peoples only seems to like the most generic rex model we could have nowadays

[sudden shell]

i think its the sexual dimorphism part thats making them dislike it

[junior nymph]

💀

[sudden shell]

i personally dont have any opinions on it because im probably not going to play rex

[junior nymph]

why would that be the reason? that makes 0 sense as we were promised sexual dimorphism in the hope trailer and people liked that it. could be the idea of it.

[modest dock]

well most of the time now females rex are depicted to be a bit larger than males

[sudden shell]

people dont make sense, ive seen more dislike for it than anything even though it would be pretty cool

[modest dock]

and as @junior nymph said yes that was also my point

if you make male and femalle 95% the same and the 5% are only for the skin then yeah it sucks, especially for dinosaurs which are related to birds, kind of

[sudden shell]

at least hypsis get eyebrows and herreras get dewflaps

[modest dock]

like i love the difference between male stego and female stego even if i think it should be the opposite but we can differentiate them properly

i'd love to see different horns shape for triceratops as well

males having horns facing forwards and females facing horns upwards

[sudden shell]

I completely forgot that stego's plates change depending on gender

[junior nymph]

I agree it. It could be the stats of the rex which could make them not like it (seeing how they said rex will have a "murder run" which leads to a ambush ability and seeing something FAT running towards you at decently fast speeds might be a little weird I dunno

[modest dock]

it does actually, and supposing that there could be realism servers in the future it could be pretty usefull

[modest dock]

Well my initial issue with rex that we have here is that i personally thinks he is not pretty innovative. Its one of the most generic rex i have ever seen. A bit too much inspired by Jurassic Park franchise in the whole graphic and sound design, and tbh it was great like 10 years ago, but with recent depictions we see of it these days like in prehistoric planet, i would love to see a complete overhall of this model. But then i thought that there is supposed to be sexual dimorphism in this game, so why not just keeping that one for males and making the female one a bit chubbier ? I don't see any issue with that

I have the same issue with Spinosaurus that should also get a little rework, the sail should get a square shape and damn he needs a salamander tail

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt mind a bit more of a paddle tail to generally make it look more semi aquatic but you have to remember, these are not dinosaurs in game

these are genetically created monsters that have been used by the company for morally questionable reasonings

AE is making what they need, not what existed in the past

just so happens that Dinosaurs are a good base to slap on some wacky innovations and see what sticks. I mean, is it animal cruelty if you technically made the species?

[modest dock]

Well i could understand just like ingen in jurassic franchise when wu stated that they are making monsters much more than real dinosaurs

but i also remember that this is separate from jurassic park and that this is an opportunity to get some much more innovative models

[wooden agate]

literally the only correlation to jurassic park is creating dinosaur shaped life

thats where pretty much all similarites end beyond some niche little references (such as Omniraptor, which in lore are completely different than the Velociraptors in JP)

[modest dock]

and i also remember that they actually renamed utaraptor to omniraptor because they probably wanted to make a paleo accurate feathered utahraptor in the future

[wooden agate]

i dont see what that has to do with the overarching story and plot given to the game and expressed within its designs and art direction

[sudden shell]

i hope you dont mind but im stealing the phrase "dinosaur-shaped life"

[wooden agate]

dino nuggets but moving!

[modest dock]

well they are selling a game with dinosaurs, even if the plot says that they are not entirely accurate dinosaurs they are still named after them or else they could do like they did for omniraptor and rename them. I still think that they should consider to improve some models and not just make jurassic park copycats

[sudden shell]

to be fair, dino nuggets were alive at some point

[modest dock]

well chickens are some kind of dinosaurs

[sudden shell]

the are quite dinosaur-shaped lifeforms

[modest dock]

are chickens some kind of fantastic dinosaur shaped lifeforms ?

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-turn-mr-fantastic-and-thing-mr-fantastic-2015-fantastic-four-2015-miles-teller-gif-14989446712125729322

[sudden shell]

theyre more dino-shaped than most things i can think of

some birds probably look more like dinos though

[wooden agate]

cassowary's are just straight up dinosaurs

(well literally they are, but you know what i mean)

[silver star]

The higher you jump, the more damage you give. Before, you could get the enlarged meniscus mutation to increase your height max distance jump, therefore increasing your damage. My point here is that i don't need the extra damage from the mutation - I just want to be able to jump from higher

[raven sky]

@modest dock The female still needs to look like the male. You're suggesting to make the female completely different.

Please keep the accuracy away from The Isle. Our rex is fine it doesn't need to be more accurate. Don't expect accuracy from this game.

[modest dock]

never said female should look completely different

i said it should be a little bit stockier

and fine if you only like jurassic park copycats. like everyone does i guess.

[raven sky]

It's not a JP copy

[modest dock]

it is actually, hear the sound design

[raven sky]

And? We'll also get the option for paleo calls so what's the problem. Also this is about model design not sounds

[modest dock]

i'm not the first one that point it out i think goldfish pointed it in a video

[raven sky]

From what I understood you want to make it like the PT rex which looks completely different.

My bad if I understood wrong.

[modest dock]

model is also kind of a copycat, slim, teeth are exposed

which is what jp make us think a rex would probably look like 30 years ago

[raven sky]

I think everybody knew that the sound were heavily inspired by JP. That's not something new

[modest dock]

i'm not saying its a 100% copycat but the model design is intended to be recognised by those that know well jp

[raven sky]

It really isn't that slim. Also half the rexes ever are JP copies by your standards

[modest dock]

i suggested to take inspiration from that model over the classic one, stocky pt rex is a stocky version of the base pt model in path of titans, so i suggested to do the same for the isle model to make the female version as a stocky version of the classic one

[wooden agate]

herrera damage has always been hard limited to about 695, even with the fall damage mutation

but in general i agree with you

[modest dock]

If you look closely you can say already that acro looks much more fat than rex, which is sad because i really like that belly we got to see on recent rex depictions. Also yes i never said the opposite. To me half the rexes that are designed nowadays are heavily influenced by jurassic park

[raven sky]

Ah misunderstood then. But yeah still can't do that though. As the female would need to be heavier and/or slower and making stat changes between sexes is a bad idea from a game standpoint

[modest dock]

which is sad for an horror game because what reality might have been could have been worse than most of the fictions told us

[raven sky]

Well acro is supposed to wrestle with sauropods

[raven sky]

Our rex will still be 8-9 tons, will be faster and looks scarier than the real rex so it's not sad

[modest dock]

don't need to make it too fat either, i just would like it to be noticable enough to tell which one is the female and also to get a stockier version of the current model

[modest dock]

sure but is still supposed to be 3 tons less than rex

[green niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1327255478467694713
Just wanted to share a screenshot of what my ping looks like on officials

[silver star]

Yes, what Im saying is I want to increase the heigh jump distance without necessarily increasing the damage

[wooden agate]

i do miss old fall damage mutation sometimes

[raven sky]

Not all rexes were 12 tons, mate. Massive specimens like Sue and Scotty were more than likely exceptions. Also we'll have elder rex which will be bigger than normal adults

[modest dock]

its not bad either i agree, and the design isn't entirely wrong at all i mean its still looking directly at you when you are looking at him in front which is scary

[modest dock]

never said every rexes were 12 tons. But if most of them were around 9 to 10 tons and if acro weight is around 6,5 to 7,5 tons, well most of the rexes were still 2 up to 3 tons more

[wooden agate]

iirc acro averages were closer to 5-6 tons

im not invested in this convo i just wanted to put that out there

[raven sky]

Ah misunderstood again.

[wooden agate]

which is funny cause its (soft) confirmed to be getting apex treatment in game

which likely means (along side its fat apperance) it'll be close to those estimates you gave. yay!

[modest dock]

i pushed it to the limits

[raven sky]

6.5-7tons seems perfect for our acro

[tame jetty]

Understand

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message well i would downvote this but im blocked so ill do it here

❌

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message one of the best suggestions I’ve seen in a while

Would be great to have a report function to players

Or showing who killed you and whatnot

[inland vigil]

what stops people from reporting everyone who attacks them

i upvoted the suggestion already, just curious if there's an option to dissuade false reporting

[hollow mirage]

Hopefully in the report menu the player can attach an ingame replay

[normal shuttle]

Maybe it could include evidence that is automatically saved, or they could do like in competitive games and only investigate when an account has a high number of reports especially in a short time span

There’s no ranked mode or competitive in the isle so there’s no real sweats who would get banned

[inland vigil]

only investigating people who are reported a lot could definitely work a little better

[normal shuttle]

You could maybe just add a report reason as for “kos” so that the kids choose that and all reports from that reason are thrown to the bin

[inland vigil]

bahhaha

[normal shuttle]

It’d actually kinda done in some games, where one of the report reasons can be “teammate is bad” so that the game discards those reports

[normal shuttle]

It is something many games with report systems do. You would only get warnings or penalized if you get consistently reported multiple times or by players who have better reputation and the least number of infractions

Also, I don’t know much about this and I wanted to comment it tomorrow, but is there some way in which admins from officials (since they’re basically second to the developers) could give IP/Hardware bans rather than just server ones to cheaters who can just hop elsewhere to ruin others playthroughs?

[hollow mirage]

This sounds really stupid but i think that some sort of balance meter would be a better mechanic than bucking
The more the prey struggles, the more unstable the raptor becomes or smth

I hate holding e and rng simulator begins bye stamina

[hollow mirage]

Raptor can move around still but it definitely requires a lot more effort and thought

[hollow mirage]

#general-feedback message Hey! To the people down voting this, its already in the game, BUT you cant activate it WHILE grazing.

You have to hold alt before you start, otherwise you cant move your camera

[hidden mist]

<@&933486433342222376> #general-feedback message

[junior nymph]

@heady geode im sorry but it is overtuned and OP I dont think the corpse bully should be able to 1v1 a dibble without a corpse and win

[heady geode]

I dont disagree, I was just in response to loud vocal minority haha #isle-discussion

[urban flax]

@jovial oak Isn't that in-between state you're asking for already in ?
Flies start appearing around corpses a bit before they become rotten

[jovial oak]

Even with the flies, it doesn’t seem fair that corpses can be completely fine and edible one second, then rotten and immediately make you vomit the next

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message @desert arch alright the only reason i like this is because i wont see any cheaters anymore

[crisp python]

Does anyone talk about Maia Being too fast for how Strong it is

holy crap I keep seeing Maias SHRED Everything besides Deino and Stego

[desert arch]

Oh yeah that would also be a nice side effect

Happened yesterday, its not fixed 😦

[woeful latch]

aww well :(

[desert arch]

Troodon is just destined to be below average😔

[woeful latch]

at least it doesn’t kill instantly.. you have a chance to recover and run away

[desert arch]

I guess, but it still sucks

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭
they will fix desync and hitboxes, trust me😭😭😭

[desert arch]

That was a successful pounce if I ever saw one

[desert arch]

A ping lock on servers would surely help too🗣️

[woeful latch]

i wonder why that bug is happening?

like did you pounce it and it kicked you after

or it kicked before you pounced and server couldn’t decide what happened so it just dismounted you? like it’s really weird bug

[woeful latch]

i agree!

[desert arch]

I think it happens when you pounce between the animation starting, and it doing the knockdown. Rest is just ping diff and classic desync.

[woeful latch]

it’s weird because you don’t take any damage, like why would it knock you down without dealing damage..

[desert arch]

But as you said at least it doesnt kill me outright so yippie

Could be worse

[woeful latch]

hmm maybe

[woeful latch]

yeah xddd

did you kill that teno btw?

[dawn hound]

@desert arch https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1330474592673988671 I like this idea but it also means i cannot play with my brazilian friend

[woeful latch]

i usually play on eu5 and every time i hear troodons i think it’s one of you guys crazy troodon mains

[desert arch]

No sadly, 2 other tenos, a dibble and a maia came rushing in to rescue the poor fg teno from 3 troodons

[woeful latch]

oh :(

[dawn hound]

Never in my life have i ever seen an actually good herrerasaurus and troodon, even though i know some exist

[junior nymph]

@crisp python maia is anything but OP

[desert arch]

I have a friend who plays from africa too, so I feel you, but overall it would still help the game immensely :/

[woeful latch]

this is glazed killing that cera as a dryo

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565

Literally this

[crisp python]

you dont play enough then? im seeing diffrently

[woeful latch]

there are players who play almost exclusively tiny tiers and i fear them.

[junior nymph]

bro I got 1.9K hours I think I play enough

[dawn hound]

but like i always thought that players with huge ping would have large disadvantage because of what they see doesnt mean can happen, but appearantly its somehow like that. I dont understand

[junior nymph]

I got 100Hrs in 2 weeks so

[crisp python]

want a cookie

[desert arch]

Me and the gang were shredding yesterday😄
We killed 3 carnos, a cera, 5 omnis, a herrera and caused the death of a fg deino as 6 troodons. It was just so peak.

[crisp python]

or a life?

maia is Overpowerd Bro Im watching FG Ceras and everything get CRUSHED

[junior nymph]

no need to get mad I just pointing out a fact that maia is not OP and its only good vs players who dont know how to turn or bite

[desert arch]

Generally if you play the bigger thing and have higher ping youre at a massive advantage, just look at the video I posted with the feedback.

[dawn hound]

yea i know glazed we pvped on the norden server, hes really good with dryo, dryo is really underrated but i never said dryo mains are usually bad, i said herrerasaurus and troodon mains are, because.. perhaps besides Mr troodon i never encountered one.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message yes, people are finally learning how to play maia and this is terrifying. the pack limit is 8 so good luck if you see 8 maias..

[crisp python]

the maia just knocks you over and stomps you dead

it outstams you

and Outpuches you

and outspeeds you

[junior nymph]

those ceras suck Im sorry

[woeful latch]

glazed is troodon player too!

[dawn hound]

yea, its a large fast herbivore that can run fast, but its attack cooldowns are that similiar to a bossfight, so thats a minus

[dawn hound]

fr? i bet hes good at that also

[crisp python]

when there are 2 or 3 of them Like there always are

[junior nymph]

solo can beat them up

[woeful latch]

yeahh he is

[crisp python]

yeah if you can find a solo maia

there always in packs of 2

[junior nymph]

I meant a solo cera

[crisp python]

your saying a solo can beat 2 or 3 maias xD with luck mabe

or if the maia is bad]

and isnt stomping

[junior nymph]

if it is stomping

[dawn hound]

I started getting good at herrera after the ai update since i didnt starve to death, i killed subadult carno, two teen ceras (one of them commited sewer slide), one omni. Allat within a span of one day of gameplay.

[crisp python]

shure buddy

[junior nymph]

😐

[dawn hound]

I mean maia is op but if you seriously cannot outsmart something that has the cooldown of your avarage videogame bossfight, then i think thats a you problem.

[crisp python]

apparently your better than every youtuber

[woven bane]

a cera isn’t supposed to win that

[desert arch]

I put a generous hours into maia since its release, a 1v1 between it and a cera is probably the most fair matchup Ive seen in a while, and if the cera has bile the maia needs to stall it out in order to win, giving the cera breathing room to escape

[crisp python]

im seeing d near that didnt get lucky

yeah but cera cant escape either

[junior nymph]

youtubers arent that good

[woeful latch]

hell yeah gj!

[junior nymph]

I can name a few but most suck

[dawn hound]

thanks

[crisp python]

bruh xD you think your the main character

[dawn hound]

ahem..

[crisp python]

your just too good mr frolo

[woeful latch]

yeah that’s highly unlikely

[crisp python]

Better than Most youtubers and players i watch day to day since maia has been out

apparently

[dawn hound]

I mean ill tell you that, yes maia is overpowered, because the devs didnt add a fair counter, but at the same time it isnt as hard because of the movement cooldown that thing has.

[woeful latch]

same with the teno vs maia, it’s pretty even, tho the funny thing is now maias cannot stomp when they’re out of stam, that helps little bit

[crisp python]

i love this i hope they add a counter Preditor soon

[woeful latch]

tho my biggest issue is not 1v1, my biggest issue is maia running in packs and slaying everything

[dawn hound]

allosaurus this year maybe

[junior nymph]

so true arent we all the main character of our own story?

[dawn hound]

indeed we are!!!

[woven bane]

fr

[crisp python]

i hope so Getting Murdered by Maias and not having any defence or escape must be so Aggrivating to ceras

especially unprevoked

[dawn hound]

Guys, I always had a problem sniffing out footsteps. Ive tried tracking two ceras as a herrera before but I didnt manage to because I couldnt smell their footsteps.

[junior nymph]

the jungle

[crisp python]

im ready! we def need them now To get dem Stinky maias

[junior nymph]

april 1st Im tellling you

[dawn hound]

bro why do these good things always have to happen on my enterance exam 😭

[junior nymph]

it be funny since april fools

[dawn hound]

what was the speculation of austro for this year?

[junior nymph]

I dunno allo could be after austro so you could make austro June 6?

[dawn hound]

im rlly excited for austro

smaller playables are underrated

[junior nymph]

so true

[dawn hound]

question tho, how do you sniff footsteps better? i never seem to smell them well, or how soon do they deplete?

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message alright here me out, you can call him crazy now, but we will all suffer from the maias very soon

[woven bane]

if anything maia could use some buffs

[woeful latch]

ew no

it already got some

[white elm]

Its pretty good as is

Is it able to switch stances when getting attacked?? If not give it that

[raven sky]

I agree tbh

[woven bane]

it just needs faster attacks, they are pretty clunky rn

[woeful latch]

they buffed the speed, you can’t make it even faster

without it being super unbalanced

they buffed to the point when every time i attack it it feels like im trading the hits (thx to tenos long tail lol)

[raven sky]

When? It feels the same to me

[woeful latch]

like few patches ago i believe, like in one of the first patches after the break

[woven bane]

maia still is far from op

[white elm]

Maia small game hunter niche

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1329628833518977034/small_game_hunter.gif

[woeful latch]

that’s what it should be

[woeful latch]

id say it depends on how skilled player ofc. but maia is definitely NOT weak

id say it’s a pain in the ass, tank that you can’t run away from that has 3.8k hp

[woven bane]

it gets destroyed by things 1/4th of its size

[woeful latch]

only if the player is afk honestly

realistically it doesn’t die to one dilo or omni

[woven bane]

you’d be suprised, a dilo can take on at night

[raven sky]

Not omni ofc. But dilo and cera can kill it if they have a bit of experience

[woeful latch]

dilo issue, it’s broken

maia is not particularly weak, realistically it won’t lose to single cera, like honestly, it just won’t

ofc skill matters, but it’s definitely not 50/50 matchup

[gloomy reef]

@limber hull Ok

so i just post it then downvote 😭

[limber hull]

diablo quicktime event niche sounds super lame

[gloomy reef]

yk what is super lame just rotating

[latent olive]

@gloomy reef bro thats just sparring between rex and trike

[limber hull]

^

that too, trex will be getting sparring to spar with dibbles and trikes

[gloomy reef]

Im also talking about other carnis the same size

just so trike wont just rotate and beat all carnis

[latent olive]

theres a gif somewhere with rex against a big diablo but i dont know where to find it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208856012015149117/1279256984239214602/c6c983a24b52e093af8bbfd0db0aee936bde1b42.gif?ex=678dabe8&is=678c5a68&hm=16762bfe8bfdd07c3fbe02760c592086bf19c6f51714e3676e28988a018d1f70&

[gloomy reef]

Ok if rex is getting it but what about other carnivores are they just gnna not be able to fight trikes or diablos

same size ofc

[limber hull]

They will, by simply flanking them

[gloomy reef]

You cant "flank" them they can just rotate around, Sure u can flank if they do a mistake but if there good u cant

[latent olive]

i mean, i managed to bite a diablo a good few times despite it constantly being in spar mode and missing its alt attacks

and i was a herrera

[limber hull]

They don't even turn that fast

Also if you have more than one carni you can absolutely easily flank them

[gloomy reef]

they do turn fast, ok if u have a pack its fine then u can play it smart but im talking about carnivores the same size as trike ect.

Admins?

[limber hull]

too fast what the hell

didnt let me do my joke

[gloomy reef]

😭

[wintry cipher]

So... as neat an idea that is: what happens when theres a pack vs 1 ceratopsian?

That only works in 1v1s

[gloomy reef]

they could be spinning around 🤷‍♂️ ur teammate could bite u could bite the trike

[wintry cipher]

Also diablos turn is slow af it hardly beats all carnivores its size every time unless it knows what its doing

[limber hull]

sounds like how canniba diablos work

1 spars and the other takes free shots at the exposed victim

[tame jetty]

Why are rex getting sparring with trike and diablos ect? When rex either supposed to hunt them or back off 🤔

I also hope they add sparring for mostly all the creatures down the line, since sparring dibble vs dibble very fun and immersion making. But I never thought different carnivore and herbivore species would be able to spar ..

[limber hull]

sparring is a very unique mechanic to ceratopsians and a few apexes

also why are you replying to me when you blocked me lmao

most creatures getting sparring sounds like hell to design and animate

[tame jetty]

@glacial lily the swamp environment will dramatically fill itself in when the semi aquatics comes in, which soon is in the works after rex trike and allo

[tame jetty]

If they managed to make it for the ones that have it now, and to get it. I don't see why in time they couldn't make it for all. Eventually all dinos would have it.
But I guess it's just a distant dream then.

Just find it weird a carnivore rex, are gonna be sparring herbivore trike for example.. lol and only learned that info as you said it

[north quiver]

@heady spire me and two other carnos were annihilating a whole herd of maias just the other day that were camping a mudpit.. only let the survivors go out of guilt 😭 their attacks are so trash

[lilac bolt]

Just because it's cool to have ig.

[eager socket]

@desert arch with how unstable servers are rn you’d be getting kicked every couple minutes when there is a random lag spike

[desert arch]

Thats why I wrote "consistently"

[eager socket]

Ya but they CONSISTENTLY lag spike

[desert arch]

I have never went above 100 ping on officials, even when its laggy

[eager socket]

I haven’t played a session in recent patches where my ping hasn’t shot from 50-140 or higher for a few seconds in a minute

[desert arch]

A few seconds is not consistent

Thats ping spikes and not your actual ping

[eager socket]

I don’t know when where or why but after Maia HT one of the updates servers ate a big desync bug and anytime combat begins it all goes down hill

[desert arch]

Never experienced it myself🤷‍♂️

Besides, if its only a spike that lasts a couple seconds its NOT consistent

[eager socket]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[desert arch]

And I feel like were arguing over extreme specifics :/

Like, does that really outweigh the benefit of basically eliminating chinese hackers completely since their base ping is 200+?

[eager socket]

I mean that’s a whole other story

More like what qualifies as consistent

[cold garden]

I don't agree with kicking players because that could unintentionally lock someone out of playing the game entirely, or they're only allowed to play on empty servers, just because they couldn't afford fancy hardware or a better internet connection... It's no fault of theirs. Ping is just as much punishing to the player with it as it is to other players

[lyric pollen]

beualityfy , the modles look so detalied and nice.

[eager socket]

@inland vigil way too much in 1 suggestion there are a ton of good points but some that I wouldn’t want either so it makes it hard for people to upvote as you bunched way to much into 1

11 points in one is a lot

[inland vigil]

not waiting 5 hours to split it. take it or leave it, its for the devs not you

[eager socket]

10/10 way to get your suggestion mass downvoted : /

[inland vigil]

that's fine, it doesnt bother me

again its for the devs. i don't really mind if people don't agree with one thing or another

[eager socket]

Yes but the devs do consider the community opinion of suggestions

So if it’s mass downvoted it doesn’t got a bright outlook

[inland vigil]

thats fine but again i don't really mind

[eager socket]

Meh all good by me I tried to give you a little heads up to try and break it up a little to make it easier for people to upvote what they like and don’t just for you to be a ah about it no skin off my back

[inland vigil]

if you don't like something about it, maybe just like give feedback on what you don't like here? i'm not really in a position to debate anything but this is where the devs look. i'm not being an ass i'm just saying like- it really does not bother me. downvote away, i don't even play herbivores because theyre hugely boring

[eager socket]

Only think I don’t like is plant perk and comfort the rest is fine great actually

And I ain’t even downvote it but it’s already 4 down and that’s only gonna increase cuz there like I said is just too much in it to pick through

[inland vigil]

yea thats fair
i kind of went off beasts of bermuda cause their comfort system is actually fun to play with. but i feel like the isle would just do it badly 💀 they like to do a lot of micromanaging things and i dont think this game would do it as seamlessly as BoB

but comfort in general does really deter you from doing stupid things. i guess people just see the isle as more pvp sim than actually yk.. survival. pve doesnt really exist at all

[eager socket]

Rather the opposite

But as it stands sense current roaster leaves a lot to be desired a lot of PVP sense everything except stego and deino are rather fast grows

I don’t find having another thing to manage ontop of diet and the soon™️ to be elder system and all the carni down bad for combat enjoyable to manage and getting debuffs simply choosing to migrate while it rains sounds awful

[inland vigil]

that is true. though i personally think that if the system is done well then issues like that wouldnt exist. for example even if you are uncomfortable by rain, the comfort of being in a herd, being in shelter, or eating on the way should negate that discomfort unless the storm is so bad and violent that it's dangerous

i also just think in general that solo/low pop players should receive less in the form of discomfort in general. solo players already have it rough

[eager socket]

Why about species that prefer solitude like stegos where only ever recorded to be solo or with child they where rarely in large groups other than during mating season

[inland vigil]

they would have different comfort systems relative to the species
for example, deinos should not get comfort from being around their own species. not even their young :p

[eager socket]

Could work

Would be a lot of extra stuff to do thou

[edgy flax]

@woeful latch why ❌

do u like dilos growing to full adult from just eating turtles

[woeful latch]

why would you care if i downvoted your post?

[edgy flax]

i want to know why you downvoted it

[woeful latch]

why do we need ai if it’s not on carnivores diets?

[edgy flax]

theres gotta be a reason

[woeful latch]

and dilo having turtle on its diet is not a big deal, why it matters so much?

[edgy flax]

the problem that theres too many dilos cus its so easy growing them

they can just grow with turtles

[woeful latch]

it’s not the problem, people grow the dilos because they’re op, not because they got turtles on their diet

[edgy flax]

the problem is that they r easy to grow AND op

no dino should be able to live off of ai

[woeful latch]

i don’t see any issues with that, dilo is not an apex, it’s not even a mid tier, it’s sustaining itself by eating ai is fine

[edgy flax]

maybe little ones but not the mid ones

[eager socket]

Dilo is a short grow nuking their diet won’t fix the problem

Plus it’s would even effect them that bad tbh they still grow fast so no point

[native trail]

there needs to be an incentive for people to grow mid sizes animals after the apex drop . Being able to survive by solely ai could be one .

@full canopy they working on fixing that problem

[covert tiger]

@full canopy there's a ptera rework coming

[full canopy]

nice. better late than never ig

[gloomy reef]

OH NO PEOPLE ARE GROWING A DINO AND EATING FOOD WHAT WILL WE DO

[eternal moss]

@woeful sun The clones are the venom attacking your dinos heart.

[waxen moss]

Tbh Dilos aren't really a tread in the Day, only if there are in groups.

[covert tiger]

@hardy vine I would like for you to think about your suggestion a little bit
You want a server population to be dictated only by nesting?
So if a few friends and I create a few cera nests with dozens of eggs, we have the power to convert the entire server into ceras without players having any choice to play their preferred dinosaur at the end of a long queue?

[native trail]

that isn't what he meant. He meant that is you wants to play cerato and X player have eggs for cerato . You are force to spam from those eggs. If you decide to grow an carno and the only eggs available are ceratos. Then you will spam as an juvenile carno.

[gloomy reef]

@white spruce whats wrong with fixing the stegos hitbox

[native trail]

probably an stego player

[gloomy reef]

most likley 😭

[pale venture]

@eternal moss carno doesnt need to be a cannibal again, its fairly easy to get the mutation and kill carnos in general. instead of adding its own species to its diet it should just have the addition of cera and dilo imo

[bleak agate]

tbf though who is wasting a slot on a cannibalism mutation

[native trail]

Why would someone wants to kill an fellow carno?
Literally you need any help possible to hunt.. you will be facing at least 3 dilos , or maybe 3 raptors, 2+ ceras. Then without help you won’t be able to hunt diablos and even though is super hard.
Literally, carno needs any help as possible right now, killing each other is stupid .

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i dont even know what this dude wants but its funny

[tired quest]

I thought dilo was a ai hunter , and came being down stego if forming a well coordinated group when it first came out
now dilo take a couple hit ,spam bite and win most of the fights

[white elm]

omniraptor persecution complex strikes again

[hollow mirage]

me when i am from the movie and have 50+ speed

[latent olive]

copypasta type beat

[remote pewter]

its about the utah. think this lad is on legacy mode

any1 played eu 1 today and encountered the largest mixpack they've ever seen?

They had a mixxed pack that was close to 1/3 of the server capacity.
A combination of stego - ceratos- raptor - croc - diablo pteron and pachy.
Making that area unplayable to any one else and the rest of the map becomes more barren since your playing on the remaining 90% of the map with only 2/3 of the remaining population. We swapped server to have a better time

[fathom tulip]

[fathom tulip]

Mega/Mix-packing has felt really bad lately, I don't know if it's just bad luck seeing them so much or if it's getting more common

[remote pewter]

felt like an entire unofficial server decided to join eu 1 and go to place X on comms 😂

[bleak agate]

least obvious dilo player

[white elm]

I'm a Herrera player actually

[limber hull]

i love the references to both "the movie" and "the utah of endurance"

it adds mystery and intrigue to the post

[supple pine]

Yes

[white elm]

I sure do wonder what movie they could be referring to

[edgy flax]

Its so fun right

[latent olive]

@lime nexus actually, amarok (the developer for AI) has been working on making new dinosaur AI drink from water sources

[lime nexus]

This is great but it doesn’t solve the real problem of Safe drinking spots that can be used, the core game should force a risk/reward, maybe increasing player numbers or decreasing map size might help

[urban flax]

Safe drinking spots aren't an issue, they're the only existing counterplay to deino

[lime nexus]

It is when a lot of areas for deinos basically not unplayable due to Dino constant use of them, I’m also seeing a lot of deinos spawn camping either water access or north lake because anything now coming out will be smaller, only game play where you forcing cannibalism to massive extent compared to any other Dino (not against cannibalism it’s part of the survival but when 98% kill feed is deino v deino there’s a core issue)

[urban flax]

The core issue is deino itself

[north quiver]

is it just me or has deino only gotten more and more anti-counterplay

like it costs basically nothing in stam now to drown someone but it used to take nearly an entire stamina bar in Spiro so you were actually punished for not conserving a hefty amount of stam and prey had a better chance of fleeing because of that

[woeful latch]

yes

the funniest part is now even if deino didn’t drown you game still rewards it

[woeful latch]

basically it outstams you by a lot and it doesn’t even need to drown you, just bite few times

[north quiver]

painful

[woven bane]

complaining about deino on a map like gateway is just crazy

[woeful latch]

what map has to do with that?

[woven bane]

because avoiding deinos is so easy, mutations that allows you to never drink dosent help either

[woeful latch]

mot every lake/pond on the map has safe drinking spots and being forced to take a mutation says a lot

tho it doesn’t always help, i used it before, it doesn’t rain that often for you to never drink

[north quiver]

unfortunately the core issue is the lack of counter play which forces people to use guaranteed safe spots and the absorption mutation because no one wants to risk their hours worth of growth

if counterplay was possible, safe drinking spots wouldn’t need to be a thing (and probably absorption too, or it could be dialed back a lot)

[woven bane]

you aren’t forced to pick it but the fact that you can avoid an essential part of every dinos gameplay loop and competely counter a playable says a lot

[woeful latch]

yes, true

[woven bane]

deino is an ambusher just like herrera, the counter play is to prevent the situation from occurring in the first place. no other way around it

[woeful latch]

what it has to do with deino being unfair and not fun to interact with? i get the map allows you to drink in some spots safely, but it has nothing to do with the deino itself being unfair

[woeful latch]

bad game design

[north quiver]

deino’s only been getting increasingly unfair with that insane stamina cost to drowning prey lol costs nearly nothing while prey has their stamina soaked up like it’s water on a sponge

(and the fact they can even use less stamina by simply draining the prey of stam then letting go and biting)

[woeful latch]

yeah

i guess we should wait for the deino kit adjustments

[woven bane]

and?

[woeful latch]

maybe the will make it more fair

[north quiver]

hopefully

[woven bane]

dying to a deino is a skill issue

[north quiver]

I’d love to finally stop using safe spots to avoid certain death with no counterplay

[woeful latch]

that would be epic🥹

[woven bane]

me when the ambusher can ambush:

[woeful latch]

tho the most annoying part is not every part of the map has the safe spot

[woeful latch]

you should stop talking

[woven bane]

pardon?

[woeful latch]

you don’t see the problem and you’re missing the whole point

[vivid mason]

I miss the cheese cheesy profile

[north quiver]

yea they need to add more ponds and waterways to certain areas

though a good chunk around the map can be safe spots with the salt water mut at least

[urban flax]

So do I

[woeful latch]

IT WILL COME BACK I PROMISE

[woven bane]

there is no problem, you just want playables nerfed to accommodate your lack of skill

[vivid mason]

This shade of green is pretty but nothing tops the cheese

[woeful latch]

yeah, but i don’t want to use a mutation for that tbh :(

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭😭

[north quiver]

yea… photo, gastro/tactile, and nocturnal are kind of have-to-haves..

[woeful latch]

last time i died to a croc was in june. just so you know, it’s not about me, it’s about the game and fun

[woeful latch]

😭

[woven bane]

nothing is fun in this game when you’re on the receiving end, not just about deino

[woeful latch]

i started using gastro instead of tactile so i can fight back cera hordes, it’s really hard, especially after the healing nerf

[urban flax]

This is false
Many fights can be engaging, even if you're losing
Deino is the most one-sided creature in the game when it comes to any form of interaction

[woeful latch]

you’re so wrong. everything is fun when you have some kind of counter play

[woeful latch]

yes

[thick summit]

💀

Rmb + w +shift

[woven bane]

i don’t know about you but i don’t jump up in joy when i’m getting mauled and stunlocked by dibbbles for example

[north quiver]

I go gastro if I’m second gen

tactile can be brutal to ceras because then attacking you just gives you more stam

I was a teno the other day on half stam and the ceras we were chasing decided to turn around and fight back against the tail biting, so it popped me back to full stam which sealed its fate of being unable to get away lol

[woeful latch]

LMAO RIP

[urban flax]

No, but if that happens, it means you picked a fight with them on your own
And you wouldn't have done that if you didn't think you could get something out of it

[woeful latch]

that’s why i want it to change to:

“return the stamina on successful hit”

so game rewards you for good play, not for taking the damage

[woven bane]

i get that deino isn’t fun interacting with compared to most playables but getting killed by one is avoidable

[thick summit]

Dying to deinos is NOT a skill issue

[woven bane]

infinite stamina

[woeful latch]

if you hit successfully every time? i guess so, but it’s super unrealistic

[woven bane]

i don’t think there should be any combat mutations that give an unfair advantage

[north quiver]

my personal wishlist includes removing all mutations that affect combat stats like:

bleed, stamina, health, and speed

[thick summit]

Anti cera mutations or anti deino mutations..choose wisely

[woeful latch]

that would be amazing tho.

neither🔥

[woven bane]

shift + W:

[north quiver]

I yearn for the day I no longer feel the need to selection certain mutations to not be at a severe combat disadvantage

[thick summit]

Unfortunately I can not see deinos who are sitting in the seemingly safe pond

[woeful latch]

good luck doing this when you’re nesting, when you’re slower or when you can’t run away

[woven bane]

you can drink at shallow spots

[thick summit]

Deinos can move

They've legs

[woven bane]

things that are slower than a cera can kill it pretty easily

[woeful latch]

i like how all your suggestions sound good on paper, but they’re so bad in game

[thick summit]

Pachy:

[woven bane]

yea but you can dodge in time

[woeful latch]

you’re ignoring the problem

[woven bane]

pachy is more than 1kmh faster

[thick summit]

Unfortunately they can grab you with a tail hit too

[woeful latch]

teno is whole 0.1km/h faster

[woven bane]

yea this is more of a pachy being bad problem

[thick summit]

Cera can bite its tail

[thick summit]

I'm talking about deino

[woven bane]

i don’t get you, even if its 0,1kmh faster you can still run away from them

[thick summit]

😭

[urban flax]

That is neither the point nor the issue people are talking about

[woven bane]

ye there’s no other way around it

[thick summit]

There is

Instead of an insta death ability

[woven bane]

u can’t make deino engaging without butchering it

[thick summit]

Give it a tussle

[urban flax]

It's a "haha you didn't learn the whole map by heart now die" issue

[thick summit]

Irl, crocodilians enter a tussle with their prey. If they win they can drown it. If they lose the prey can escape

[woven bane]

u can’t create that in a game like this

[thick summit]

There is a similar mechanic ingame

Dibble sparring.

[urban flax]

Lunge becomes a charged ability
The longer you charge it, the further it can propel you forward, as well as increasing the weight threshold you can grab
But harging makes a subtle bubble effect and/or noise

Or... deino sparring ? But that probably wouldn't work very well/look bad

[thick summit]

No like

It latches on a prey item. If the deino can pull it into the water, the deino has a higher chance of succeeding. If the prey item can escape it survives

Aka what crocodilians actually do irl

[urban flax]

Ok but that requires mechanics
Animations
Rules
Some form of gameplay to go along with it, you can't just say "it should be just like irl" without explaining how it would actually function within the game's environment

[thick summit]

Yeah

I'm just eating lunch rn so I can't type a whole essay rn xd

[woven bane]

bubble effect why

[thick summit]

I might do a suggestion in #general-feedback later

[woven bane]

if they add that shallow spots gotta go (except for swamp)

[urban flax]

So it's possible to react to a deino before it lunges you if you're paying attention
Since once you're inside it's jaws it's certain death, you need a way to avoid it

[urban flax]

You can't remove every shallow spot from the map lol

[woven bane]

you can

[urban flax]

Also making an encounter with a deino survivable would most likely solve the issue of safe drinking spots
People always go there because it's the only way of not getting killed by a deino
But if there is another way to survive (being wary) then people will have less incentive to go to shallow areas

[urban flax]

Let me rephrase : You can't redo the entire map just to cater to one specific plyable at the detriment of everything else

[woven bane]

nah it will just make an already counterable dino even easier to avoid

[lime nexus]

Nah as long as those exist people will always go there

[urban flax]

What's the counter lol

[urban flax]

Your guess is just as good as mine

[lime nexus]

You’ll take 100% success over a 50/50

[woeful latch]

the counter is: don’t drink and die

[thick summit]

Fr

[woven bane]

extremely hyperbole, you don’t have to resign the entire map from scratch lmaoo, just remove some of the shallow spots at highlands lake and water access for example.

[urban flax]

Not if the 100% success requires going an extra mile and the 50/50 depends on your own skill, not luck
People are always over-confident in their own skill
Proof : carnos try to hunt stegos

[woeful latch]

i wonder how i should counter the ponds with no safe spots to drink

or like ever the highlands doesn’t really have any safe spots?

[urban flax]

What does that even achieve ? In fact, with a charged lunge ability, these wouldn't even be a problem for deinos anymore
As they could charge their lunge from further away and reach through the shallow area due to their momentum

[lime nexus]

Not necessarily a lot have massive shallow spot which are pretty much land with bits of water which we are slow on and can’t even get close - example water access

one spot every Dino goes to as they can even sprint full speed so by the time you even turn around you being attacked

[north quiver]

highlands has one safe drinking spot but you really need to be panning your camera down to see a deino and react fast enough or else you’re gonna get got

two safe spots if your playable is fast enough and your reaction time is peak

[woven bane]

can we first acknowledge how you twisted my words to make it seem outrageous lmao? secondly adding subtle noises is just overkill, they are already easy to avoid

[green niche]

There are 3-5 safe drinking spots in highlands!

[urban flax]

It's easy to drink where there are no deinos here, that's not what I'm trying to achieve here

[woven bane]

i like your suggestion, would work if this was spiro

[urban flax]

What I want is deino playing the same game as other players, AND playing WITH them instead of only preying on each other and the occasionnal newbie who didn't learn the safe drinking spots

[urban flax]

I don't think anything would work better on spiro than on gateway

[green niche]

There are no deinos in ponds anymore since the fish nerf. Anyway, i have yet to find a water source that doesnt have a safe spot

[woven bane]

this map is so anti deino coded

[urban flax]

It's rather that Spiro was entirely catering for deino

[woven bane]

not true, its so shallow you’ll see them before they can get close enough

[woven bane]

yea but on a map like gateway your suggestion would make deino worse

[green niche]

Tbh i think one thing that will def help is the addition of large land canivores
Why? Because a smart t rex will camp the safe drinking spots - and then you have to decide: do you risk having a trex ambush you while youre drinking in shallow water? Or do you risk a deino ambush

[urban flax]

It makes it harder to play for sure. But that's sorely needed

[north quiver]

nah I’ve seen unlucky suckers get grabbed regardless at the spots

[green niche]

You only get grabbed if your reaction is bad or you do something stupid

[north quiver]

you’d be surprised how many people have horrible reaction times lol

[green niche]

Well, they will die and learn for next time

[woven bane]

https://youtu.be/UwH5fpnI9l0?si=GvzQnVOKvPIPlhLO delayed reaction, skill issue if u get lunged at highlands

[woeful latch]

oh i guess yeah

[woeful latch]

they are there, not in every pond tho

[north quiver]

yep unless the playable is particularly slow, like a maia

[woeful latch]

please find one at the west rail access, would be epic

[woven bane]

eh you can still get out in time

[woven bane]

there is north of the pond

[indigo gulch]

Oh that reminds me

[woeful latch]

huh?

[green niche]

West rail access? Theres that big log in the water. Just go behind it.

[north quiver]

I love spots like that rather than 100% safe drinking spots and 100% you’re going to get kidnapped drinking spots with no reaction time to save you

[woeful latch]

its not west rail access

[indigo gulch]

I drank at the nw and stayed there for a few hours. No deino

[woven bane]

there is a shallow spot at west rail access

[indigo gulch]

Yeah behind the log

[woeful latch]

nvm it is, i was thinking about west access

[green niche]

OH west access

[woeful latch]

the axe looking pond

[woven bane]

damn 1 water source which can’t completely be countered

[woeful latch]

its not the only one tho

[green niche]

That is a little tricker but there is a part of the lake that is shallower and has a log in front of it. As long as the deino hasnt gone past the log and wait in front of it you should be fine

Which other water sources dont have safe spots?

[woven bane]

can u list more?

[woeful latch]

east pond doesnt have any safe spots

lake* i guess its a lake now

[green niche]

There is literally a part of that lake that is completely behind a rock

[north quiver]

east lake actually does have a safe spot (I believe two, but one is better than the other)

[woven bane]

just go to the river 1 minute away, there’s a safe spot there

[indigo gulch]

Kinda does

[woven bane]

nvm it does have a safe spot

[indigo gulch]

You mean the small indent on the fence side?

[woeful latch]

can you show me later on? i was trying to find one and i couldnt

[green niche]

And that part is too shallow for even the smallest of deinos

[woeful latch]

which one?

[indigo gulch]

I love and hate playing deino honestly

[green niche]

Im about to go on i will send screenshots and coords for the safe spots there

[woven bane]

north east plains

[indigo gulch]

Too much of a coin toss whether I find non-deinos

[woeful latch]

its pretty far away, i would rather go to the port

[indigo gulch]

And IF i see someone, they’re using a safe spot

[north quiver]

there’s an end I think closer the east beach old teno hangout and migration that’s pretty shallow. tested it with someone and it allowed for plenty of wriggle room in reaction time from the length of the shallow area

[indigo gulch]

Does not take away the safe spot drinking opportunity

[woven bane]

yea you get my point

[woeful latch]

you know its really annoying to have to travel form your migration zone to just drink, especially as a herbivore that needs to drink way to often

[woeful latch]

oh hmm ill check that spot

[indigo gulch]

Damn bro, it’s almost like every dino has to…

[woven bane]

you have to do that once and then you’re good for an hour

[woeful latch]

not even an hour, its like 30-45 minutes for most herbivores, its an hour only for the stego i believe

[woven bane]

45 is plenty, it means that you have to drink twice or thrice unless you’re playing for 10 hours straight

[north quiver]

-98,626.745, 462,073.018, 26,114.941

here are the coords for it

[woeful latch]

THANK YOU

[green niche]

-102 227,664, 458 402,635, 25 992,444
so pretty much this entire side of east lake is too shallow for a grown deino to get close enough to lunge without being very visible

[woeful latch]

oh no its not safe at all, especially during nighttime

[green niche]

-151 537,569, 472 735,594, 26 067,595
this area is also shallow and has that big rock in the way

there is also this spot right here

[north quiver]

-148,558.594, 469,659.46, 26,080.41

this spot by the cave also gives plenty of wriggle room from a croc. but only this spot. go too far left, and you can get got

[woeful latch]

oh can you send me chords of this spot?

[green niche]

-146 212,44, 453 313,295, 26 073,241

[woeful latch]

alright, thank you ^^

[woeful latch]

tytyty, very helpful

[green niche]

-142 542,455, 451 660,956, 26 060,168
this also also very shallow

i will investigate west access next xd

-112 827,849, 469 586,751, 26 000,974

-99 442,25, 462 071,439, 25 987,806

[lime nexus]

See way to many they should at least add mud effect to these area at the very least and slow them down when in shallow bodies of water

Give us third ability like storm charge to run faster but unable to turn and drains Stam fast

[green niche]

-98 724,131, -332 201,818, 31 050,592
-113 705,406, -337 994,916, 31 079,196

any other ponds i should investigate because im actually having a lot of fun
anyway, waaaaay too many safe spots for sure

[north quiver]

these can be a bit sketchy depending on the time of day (which affects water visibility)

daytime like that makes it very clear and easy to see in

better have that pinky finger ready to rumble on that shift key lol

[green niche]

that is true. although in that case i would recommend that people make sure to manage their water - either make sure that you are in a 100% safe spot to drink at night or make sure that your water is full enough to last you the night

you know that you can hold the movement and shift keys down while you drink right?

press e, hold your movement key and shift down, then if you spot a deino you just let go of e

look i wont lie as much as i love adore and use the safe drinking spots i feel like the game would have a lot more of the survival and especially horror aspects if safe drinking water was limited to just the small ponds

[indigo gulch]

Should have that regardless in case you hear something behind you tbh

[lime nexus]

That’s whole point, everything should be risk to reward

[woeful latch]

yeah those ones are not really safe tbh

[indigo gulch]

They are tho

You can literally see the deino coming and they need to surface before they can get you

Not to mention the angle might mess up the lunge, making you slip out

[lime nexus]

He want 100% getaway free access no risk at all

[indigo gulch]

If this was spiro, I’d have agreed

But it isn’t, so

[lime nexus]

Personally I just drink from where ever on dinos, I’m only smart when encountering food to eat

[indigo gulch]

I just drink in bushes or out of sight of main travel waterways

[lime nexus]

I don’t think I’ve died by a deino yet tbh mainly it’s me being outnumbered as a solo

[indigo gulch]

I have in swamp once but that’s about it.

[lime nexus]

No way I don’t even encounter other deinos in swamps

Place is wasteland for me

[indigo gulch]

Was around the start of gateway tbh

[lime nexus]

Still is for me atleast 9/10 times I’m starving there 😂

We need a south spawn

[green niche]

the only time i have ever encountered any deino larger than hatchling stage in swamps was when i was fighting dibbles as a raptor and two fg deinos came out of the water, killed one of the dibbles and cornered me up one of those raised mounds

[lime nexus]

See I counter FG at delta or camping spawns like acces or north

Alway two never one

Only reason you encounter newborns at swamp is cos the camping

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

The Isle isnt a history buff of a game its more modern scifi than anything. Also youll notice a large amount of the AI are invasive species which explains why theyre even around despite the dinos.

There will likely be a mod for ice age megafauna down the line, but it would be extremely out of place in the current game.

[urban flax]

Megafauna wouldn't be accurate either

[wintry cipher]

Agreed on the hackers list, but sadly thats against the rules. I do think it could work tho if the chat is locked to mods posting only after they get sufficient evidence

That way players dont just spam names of anyone and everyone

[indigo gulch]

It’s also slightly harder to tell speed hacks due to mutations now

[turbid trellis]

The evidence we got last night was pretty substantial 😂

5 of them all working together, 4 ingame hackers

[wintry cipher]

Yeah im not saying you dont have evidence im juat saying it should only be mods posting in it because some folks are less than honest

[urban flax]

@solemn parcel What ?

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message LMAO

had to upvote that

[turbid trellis]

On another game I play its called 'The Bunker' where server owners can upload evidence of hackers to the main discord so all other communities can ban the members from their discords

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

I was going to downvote it but frankly it's too funny to not support

[coarse spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[woeful latch]

LMAO

i totally disagree with it, but it’s so funny

[limber hull]

oh yea for sure but like

gambling

[woeful latch]

why would ANYONE want that?

like why in this discord?

and that makes stuff so much funnier

reminds me of this:

the times when the community was united

[hidden mist]

Erebus

When he comes back one more time I know it’s the beginning of the Divine Era.

[limber hull]

peak

[woeful latch]

that’s what the prophecy says

in erebus we believe

[north quiver]

@chilly ermine it takes roughly 3 adult Herrera worths of meat (assuming you use them to also vomit) or about 3 and a half stomach fulls at 77% growth to get the canni mutation. you aren’t getting it if you’re a fresh spawn because your stomach is only a small % of an adult stomach so 7 stomach fills may be be like a measly 15% of an adult stomach or similar

the younger you are, the more stomach fills you have to get

(you can also only get the canni mut on the second slot, so it has to be gotten before 100% growth is hit)

used to be far easier to get before the food value and stomach changes but now you either need buddies willing to grow and suicide for you to help you get it or you have to be a very avid canni and find plenty of players to kill before you hit 100% growth

[supple pine]

It’d be nice if there was a better solution for clipping into the map than just drowning yourself. Could at least some terrain let you clip back through, please.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message agree with that

[woeful latch]

i love your feedback

[valid zephyr]

@hasty fractal rather than removing them, why not make the speed buff apply to trot rather than sprint?

[hasty fractal]

Every dinosaur has been added to the game in a balanced way across all speed types, so these types of mutations are unnecessary

[valid zephyr]

Trot speed is no more impactful than things such as hydrodynamic or wader though. Unless you want to remove those as well?

[sudden shell]

@agile granite youre in the right channel so dont worry about it

[agile granite]

Bhet Ty Ty

[normal shuttle]

Say that to galli in evrima

Or legacy sucho and giga

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message but why should maia be special?

like what makes it better parent?

concept art? that’s ridiculous, let’s not give dinos magic powers, we already have body buff

[wintry cipher]

@dawn hound the bees already buzz as a warning when you get too big btw

[dawn hound]

yea but they start immidiatelly attacking you

[wintry cipher]

That hasnt been my experience. They buzz for a good 60 seconds or so

[woeful latch]

i’m pretty sure it’s even more than 60 seconds

[thick summit]

Maias could get a buff around their young

Makes sense as it could be a strong parental instinct

[woeful latch]

yes, but why only maias?

it’s a good buff for every playable, why maia is so special

[raven sky]

Because maiasaura literally means "good mother lizard". Good parenting is literally maia's whole thing.

Just like only cera gets a body buff to enhance its scavenger niche, maia should get a buff related to caring for young to enhance its "good mother" thing.

[coarse spruce]

I think the only "good mother" trait it needs is greatly reduced nutrient decay during the hatchling phase

[woeful latch]

sounds fair

i just don’t want maia getting like damage resistance or damage, not that please

and it’s gonna be another hidden buff no new players know about

like you literally have to doodle or be on this dc to know that cera has a body buff

[supple pine]

It’s that or starve to the unstuck timer 🤷‍♀️

[woeful latch]

both

[supple pine]

I really like this! Speed mutations don’t bug me, but this feels like a good compromise.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Why do people want this? This would make dilo worthless. Also, why would teno even need a speed buff?

[white elm]

mfw the brawler is slow

[limber hull]

the pachy speed buff is fine and troodon reduction on pounce cost but the other two drag the whole thing way down

[white elm]

Yea, Pachy is painfully slow rn

[limber hull]

i swear to god omniraptor players will continue to harp on dilo for the sin of being faster than them, despite the fact that dilo is less agile and cannot jump, two things omni can exploit to escape

also... they don't have an issue with carno? who can be addressed the exact same way dilo can?

[white elm]

omniraptor persecution complex

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message why would they ruin everything with the dilo part😭

[white elm]

[woeful latch]

yeah speed increase for both teno and pachy might help them have more freedom escaping cera hordes💀 tho i guess it’s better to nerf the cera instead of buffing the speed, idk really

[limber hull]

i think pachy is still absolutely still slow with its base speed

5km/hr slower than omniraptor is wild

[woeful latch]

true

[eager socket]

@dim herald teno already beat the hell outa cera 1v1 it doesn’t need to be any faster than it already is it’ll legit just wipe everything

[dim herald]

k.

[limber hull]

i mean... that change still ain't as bad as the dilo speed nerf lol

[eager socket]

Dilo are kinda too fast

[dim herald]

dilo is unreasonably fast

[white elm]

^

[limber hull]

it has exceptionally poor agility for its size and an inability to jump

it can be dealt with the same way you deal with a carno or galli

allowing omniraptor to outrun it, while also having better agility and the ability to jump, will literally make dilo omni fodder

[dim herald]

dilo is faster than a carno with the speed mutation. it bites super fast. it is unreasonable.

[hollow mirage]

speed muts are lame tbh

[limber hull]

speed mutation is unreasonable

dilo's speed is not

[dim herald]

k.

[limber hull]

speed mutations are just godawfully designed

[limber hull]

it being able to bite really fast doesn't really matter though, because it still needs that speed to escape threats it can't deal with. Its main survival plan against an overwhelming threat is to still run, since it's quite poor defensively on account of bad agility, no stuns and a hunting style that is rather slow in terms of damage output

[white elm]

#general-feedback message thoughts?

[limber hull]

doesnt solve the problem imho

it just relegates the problem to half the day

[dim herald]

Adjust troodons pounce to use less stamina???????????
Speed mutations no longer affect sprint speed, instead, it changes trot and walk speeds??????????????
Increase pachy sprint 43.8km (up from 41.8km)?????????????????
Increase pachy weight 600kg (up from 500kg)??????????
Increase teno sprint 42km (up from 40.5km)??????????????

[white elm]

Fair. I feel like the devs are insistent on keeping those muts around for some reason tho

[limber hull]

that's a pretty hefty pachy buff. idk if it'd make it broken, honestly, sounds interesting and I'd like to see it

the troodon thing is fine, no harm there with making troodon less exhausting

speed muts are... weird. that change would probably make it more bearable, although i fear it might not be worth taking if its a mere 5% to trot speed and not much else. A whole-ass rework to both photosynthetic tissue and nocturnal would be better off (i'd have them be all around buffs to survival statistics like food/nutrient/water drain and health regen at specific times of day)

i dont really see WHY teno needs to be faster. I'm not... against it, I just need a compelling argument as to why it would need that

[hollow mirage]

i dont really see WHY teno needs to be faster. I'm not... against it, I just need a compelling argument as to why it would need that
I guess since if teno were to choose to fight back against lets say a cera, and attempt to flee, its already out of stamina and cant escape

[hollow mirage]

Too bad for the teno though? I guess it has to live in rocky areas

[limber hull]

its already faster than cera tho is the thing

not by much but still

[dim herald]

but the stam issue?

[limber hull]

if both start running at the same time, teno has more stam. teno also has a far faster trotrate, so even if they both run out of stam, teno maintains the lead

if teno tries to attack and THEN run, we might have more of a problem for sure

[dim herald]

thats if the teno stays in front. if it even THINKS about fighting, you die. you run out of stam. do you want teno to only flee? even if it did only flee, its easier to chase. fleeing you could bump into a tree, get stuck on messed up map geometry, etc. chasing? hold w, and if youre cera charge bite. you just lose.

[limber hull]

it can pretty confidently 1v1 ceratos, sometimes even 2v1, but if it's SIGNIFICANTLY overwhelmed, I'd reckon flight is your best option

[dim herald]

but ceras like to be in packs of 40. not everything needs to be a 1v1. let some stuff be faster.

[limber hull]

yea, but teno IS faster

the issue we have right now is cera megapacks all running photosynthetic

[dim herald]

.1 km faster.

please tell me what that .1km is going to do

[limber hull]

allow you to keep away

plus additional stamina and trot speed. in an endurance chase, it will inevitably escape if it manages stam well

[dim herald]

bro if i turn i loose all momentum and get charge bit by 27 ceras.

its not an endurance chase if the teno is going to lose all its stamina and momentum the second it thinks about turing left to avoid some sketchy geometry

[tired quest]

plus the acceleration they added to most of the herbis

thankfuly you can still jump on to a rock in place like delta to get rid of the cera

[limber hull]

i feel like my concerns primarily is the inverse situation

a herd of 42km/hr tenos see a 40.2km/hr cera

tf does the cera do lol

its literally just dead

[tired quest]

just get rid of the mutation related to speed I think would be nice

[limber hull]

oh for sure

but this is under plague's hypothetical balance changes where teno is 42km/hr

[tired quest]

and the god damn hacker happening these days

[dim herald]

whats the difference? why does the cera get special treatment? the cera could still stalk the teno, just be sneaky and ambush it. or steal corpses from other carnivores. it gets a buff when around corpses. why does the cera get special treatment? why does it need to win?

[limber hull]

it doesn't. i dont want it to win. i want it to survive

[dim herald]

it can still survive?

[limber hull]

if a group of tenos can just run it down, and cera doesn't have any tools to escape it, how?

its not even special treatment, its the same treatment all animals should get

[dim herald]

you already said a teno can already run away because its faster, so what difference does it make? plus, its usually a group of ceras. ceras already have an OP charge bite that costs nothing and you can spam for massive damage. it has better stamina too. if a teno knocks over a cera in the current game, it can run away but its going to run out of stamina, or get stuck on something and the cera will just demolish it because theyre basically the same speed. a speed increase of a few km wont change much, it will just let it run away a little better. ceras could still kill tenos, the teno could make a mistake, could get to cocky, etc, it just has the option to run if it wants.

[limber hull]

teno actually has better running stamina, it just spends that stam on the attack

[tired quest]

so you get couple bites and you now puked + bleeding
good luck running away from the cera that basically got the same speed you have
if you turn or run into some small rock you need to build up the acceleration speed again while they do not

and if you trying to fend off the attacker it will drain your stam and they got free charge bite can use

the only way to get yourself not killed is never leaving place like river delta

[woeful latch]

teno is 0.1 and has 20 seconds more stamina, tbf it’s nothing and doesn’t really halp that much. and if you vomit once you won’t be able to out stam them

or if you start the fight, lost some stam using attacks you won’t be able to run away

0.1 is such a miserable difference, it doesn’t help at all

[dim herald]

exactly!!

[tired quest]

at least a tenno still got a slight chance to get away or win the battle
yesterday, I was playing as a pachy and bumped into a cera. There was no way I could outspeed him, so I tried to fight it.
only manage to headbutt it once, and I got puke lock (full stomach) and killed within like 4 bites

[bleak agate]

everyone has an issue with carnos ass hitbox

any competent dilo player can fight well enough to nullify the omnis agility advantage, whilst having the speed hp and dmg advantage

its not like we are talking omni vs carno agility here

realistically the lack of agility for carno is nonexistent in brawls because your bad hitbox is going to nullify that irregardless

[limber hull]

ive yet to have a problem with carno's hitbox

also, dilo bleeds like CRAZY, so prioritising just making it bleed will pretty much make it that you can run it around and force it to either bleed out or stop moving, in which you can just keep bleeding it

[rough hemlock]

Rewards like extra patterns? I remember hearing about that possibility back when customization was being implemented. albinism, melanism, and piebald would make good rewards too

[bleak agate]

i have had many such cases 😢

i have never had the option to bleed out considering dilos know they can outbrawl you and know they can outrun you if you try and disengage

[vital laurel]

It will allow a cera to never catch up to you, especially as you have the kick if he somehow gets caught up to you, also I doubt teno needs a buff to deal with cera more than cera might need less bacteria, I’d also say teno has the advantage in a 1v1 so I don’t see why teno needs the buff lol

[rain umbra]

If the prompt to pick up sticks appears on my screen, I should be able to pick up those stick no matter how deep they are in a rock. Just delete item -> add item to hold.
Thank you, please fix this

[eager socket]

@gritty kernel if galli had bleed they’d make playing carni solo impossible as you’d get chased around and bled to death by galli 24/7 noting galli trot is faster than some run speeds

[gritty kernel]

if a galli runs up to you and kicks you worse case it gets like 5 kicks before it dies from an alt bite or getting pinned

[eager socket]

Hit wait hit wait keep distance and slowly bleed to death it’s that simple

Assuming everyone gonna afk behind and spam click is silly

Plus galli is super mobile and can bait alt bites easily

[gritty kernel]

so listen anything with a slow alt bite like dilo or carno can easily catch a galli thats constantly annoying you because i've done it before. plus when a galli goes in to kick it does a little animation where it can get stuck on the thing its kicking long enough to just get bit and die

not to mention omni just pins it down the second a galli goes in

I don't see how a galli could bleed something out without dying first or getting hurt enough to back off

[eager socket]

I can tell you now any actual galli player or person with enough experience on omni will not fall for that and could easily stalk you for as long as needed to bleed to death

[eager socket]

Same way a omni can get a pounce and get off without being punished patience and well timed hits

[gritty kernel]

omni does a lot more bleed than a galli would though

[limber hull]

nope

[eager socket]

I’ve never died to alt bites as galli ever not as omni

[limber hull]

old galli bleed was absolutely insane

im almost certain it outbled omni by a significant margin

[eager socket]

Any amount of bleed on something as fast and mobile as galli would be hell

Carno unplayable

Omni only if they get a lucky pounce

Dilo dying

Cera getting bullied across the map

[white elm]

Thoughts?

[eager socket]

The idea behind display is to make it clear what is and isn’t a male or female

So maybe but I don’t think it’s all that necessary to redo all the skins

[gritty kernel]

maybe rework it so that doesn't bleed omni out insanely fast? and how often do you see a good galli player that will go across the map just to kill something?