general-feedback-discussion

[slim rampart]

used to be idk

[desert arch]

Hasnt been for like 2 years

[slim rampart]

haven't played carno in a while

[slim rampart]

ok idc but the fact stand that there is like 2 maias and 3 tenos as a group always

and then they just KOS every carnivore they see and you are cooked

[desert arch]

Then bring your own group, you shouldnt expect to win a 5v1

[slim rampart]

and ceras or carnos cannot go in such a bug groups cuz there is not enough food

and honestly it is more about dibble then maia

but we do need a mid tier carnivore to handle this

[junior nymph]

cera is op rn

[slim rampart]

yeah kinda true

[desert arch]

Cannibalism just enables them to form mega groups without consequence

Someone dies? Oh well, free food

[slim rampart]

normally every canni will either KOS or just kick u cuz if there is 2 many mouths to feed it is just too bad

[desert arch]

Ive seen groups of 10 ceras just casually chilling, so theyre def not struggling with food lol

[slim rampart]

yeah ik but my thing isn't that yeah its impossible to group play, its that its impossible to solo play because most of the time all the herbis are in a pack

and when they will KOS ur ass what can u do when they are almost faster then you

[normal shuttle]

This has been a very fine experiment to show that upcoming dominant carnivores and especially apexes should NOT be cannibals

[woeful latch]

not really, cera doesn’t need much food to survive.

rex will need A LOT more, it won’t be able to survive on ai, which means it will need to hunt constantly. i highly doubt it will be easy to sustain more than one or two rexes, they will probably eat each other just to survive

look at the deinos for example, i haven’t seen more than one deino after the ai changes, because they need to eat each other in order to survive

[green niche]

@onyx cedar ping official server admin with your server and steam name

Also try using /unstuck in chat

[normal shuttle]

Still the fact cera doesn’t get a penalty for it means that there is nothing to discourage them being the most abundant carnivore

Deino was fine because it is very restrictive and opportunistic, besides it’s very limited habitable terrain

[mystic aurora]

hero packys u killed a ptra

[junior nymph]

@sullen tundra I agree with most of your points apart from this

Cannibalism seems to be not only allowed but encouraged due to the “S” diet mechanic, creating an environment where newer players are perpetually preyed upon by their own species.

if this was not a thing it would lead to all deinos just chilling together and it would lead to over population but for the most part good feedback something to learn is never trust anyone you see someone not talking walking near you RUN!

[sullen tundra]

I totally understand that - Heres the issue. Once a larger deino saw me - it was over. There was no running or swimming I could do. They were faster, had more stamina, and larger ranges. I tried every time to swim away, hide, I even ran on land because I had heard that smaller deinos could outrun their larger versions on land - this seems to be false or, at the least, highly exaggerated as they followed me every time and munched me. I'm not saying cannibalism shouldn't be a thing just that right now it seems there's no way to avoid it once I'm a target. Also the fact that They literally were right on top of me with no warning, or sound indicators to let me even know I was in danger.

[junior nymph]

that guy could have been a hacker

adult deinos have bad stam juvies are able to run on land and live unless the deino manages stam swimming speed adult deinos are faster

[sullen tundra]

That has not been my experience thus-far. And unless he followed me from server to server across multiple regions EU/CA/NA I am not inclined to believe it was a hacker. Unless in fact they were ALL hackers.

[junior nymph]

like I said if they managed stam and you didn't yes you would die they have a faster trot

[sullen tundra]

There isn't really any stam management as a juvy in the water. I barely use ANY stam in the water even when I made it to 33% growth so I can imagine when he made it to shore he had a bucket of stam to use in addition to being faster overall. I had full stam and it made no difference. Add to that any mutations they may have had to improve themselves made it so escape felt nigh-impossible. But anyway I'm not trying to argue about it this was a review of the overall experience from a new player. And if every new player is having a similar experience to this then maybe it should be addressed somehow. Whether in mechanics or at least knowledge acquisition. It felt overall very punishing with no reward. Even last night I respawned in the same lake 3x times to be immediately preyed upon by the same deino who b-lined to me every time since I spawned in the middle of the lake. Unfortunate and frustrating. I don't mind dying, I don't mind being cannibalized. I'm just asking for a chance lol.

[urban flax]

Juvie deino was once faster than adult on land
But it made the land croc strategy insanely OP for subadults because they could run for super long while carrying something in their mouth

[barren zephyr]

Dieno gameplay is in a bad state right now, as a juvie you need to be constantly on the lookout for cannis, as an adult you need to kill your fellow crocs because of your hunger.

I had a 90% croc on a full official server and it died of starvation, in that entire time i have never drowned any dino like i should, my food consisted of some corpses, Ai fish and other smaller dienos.

If you want to properly play as a dieno, you need to make a long journey to the river deltas to get the saltwater mutation, then swim for a long time and walk on land to get to south river, aka the only place that feels alive in this game

The underwater nightvision is just a joke, the Ai fish spawn only in day, the map is too big for its own good, or there arent many features encouraging players to travel around ( migration zones are kinda uneffective, random spawns help a little )

Dieno is meh right now. Its hard to play as intended because theres too much space and you cant constantly patrol a bunch of random rivers to get food, so new players die, old players canni and a few players go to south river if their PC dosent explode.

It might be a little different for some pepople. But now dieno is meh

There is no prey the vast majority of places, ponds enable players to drink far away from any dieno, the pepople that spawn randomly are just juvies at best so you cant feed a FG dieno with them.

I love dieno, i always liked to ambush pepople, and spiro was awesome for that. But now, with the map size significantly increased and with the addition of ponds and rivers not connected to the river system its not fun to play.

[tired quest]

they really need to focus on the fundamental the game which is ai before they adding in any new dino, we got a broken patch last year too.
been a year and they still can't figure out a working system

[urban flax]

So everyone but amarok stops working for 6 months while he redoes AI ?

[barren zephyr]

Yea! I've been thinking about suggesting a pack Ai dino that travel in big groups and drinks out of rivers, so that carnis can chase or ambush them.

[barren zephyr]

Why not hire someone else?

[tired quest]

MZ and PZ is great, but it just don't work for canivore player

[urban flax]

They've been hiring
I don't know if they still are, but programmers are hard to find

[barren zephyr]

Mhm, alright

[tired quest]

and with that herbivore can now chill at their little corner in the map making it more difficult to find

[barren zephyr]

Why isnt there any sniffing players system?

[urban flax]

Because players need to be able to hide

[barren zephyr]

What if the tracks were subtle and would partialy dissapear if you crouch?

[tired quest]

we already got the red pack mark
you can sence it when there is a mixpack, or fight

[wintry cipher]

Theres footprints and blood so you have plenty of ways to find them technically

[barren zephyr]

Yea

[urban flax]

Already precisely how it works

[barren zephyr]

Footsteps are just invisible sometimes ( not litteraly ) 💀 cant track anything with them ngl

[wintry cipher]

I really should bug my friend into growing a galli with me and just nest in a ton of all these newbies to teach em and watch the server carnis lose their minds chasing gallis from how noisy we would be lol

[urban flax]

The current scent system just isn't great

[barren zephyr]

That would be fun

[urban flax]

imo it needs a complete rework

[barren zephyr]

This

[tired quest]

and ppl will just type skill issue and end the discussion

[barren zephyr]

A new scent system would force ppl to move ( when trex is added cuz no way stego running away from anything ) so that they wont get tracked and killed

More scent in jungles or wind directions causing you to think to not starve

[serene gale]

Legacy smelling is better in my opinion

[barren zephyr]

Yea

[urban flax]

It had its merits
But also looked ugly, not that it would necessarily look as bad if it was remade in evrima

[mint hazel]

wait a minute

why the hell IS maia on carno diet?

[urban flax]

carnivore diets are stupid

[mint hazel]

can carno even ram a maia?

[urban flax]

no

[mint hazel]

💀

"fight this WITHOUT your main attack"

[woeful latch]

am i the only one who doesn’t want beipi clean deinos mouth? like i just found that really gross, even if that was a feature i would never actually do it

[mint hazel]

and removed dilo for something you cant even use your main attack on lmao

[mint hazel]

just because you can doesnt mean you have to lol

[urban flax]

You're not
I just think it's kinda stupid as a mechanic

[barren zephyr]

Hm

[woeful latch]

yeah that’s literally what i said xd

[mint hazel]

i mean i dont really see the point, but i dont really care about it either lmao

[barren zephyr]

Biepis are quite useless rn so they need something to do

[mint hazel]

its not like crocs are gonna lose teeth from the bacteria or something lmao

[barren zephyr]

Every hungry dieno would kill a biepi

[urban flax]

And that "something" is putting themselves inside their main predator's mouth ?

[mint hazel]

not really worth the chase actually

[urban flax]

Deino is faster than beipi both on land and in water

Wait not sure about land

[mint hazel]

oh really?

[serene gale]

Well they could just change the color and it would already look better

[barren zephyr]

Im not saying "Oh they should clean their mouths"! Where did i say that, i meant that they arent really unque, they are sorta bland in my opiniom

[mint hazel]

it wouldn't provide much food though, would it?

[barren zephyr]

They do not have much special stuff about them

[urban flax]

It's moreso the way things appeared through terrain

[barren zephyr]

Its worth i do it when i have the chance

[urban flax]

Also legacy scent system doesn't provide enough information compared to what's needed in evrima

[mint hazel]

i just wish i could smell tracks

idk why i cant, it doesnt make sense

[barren zephyr]

Maybe you cant scent babies but adults leave scent trails that are more noticeable?

[barren zephyr]

True

[serene gale]

I more so mean smelling footprints tbh xD

[mint hazel]

im an ambush hunter with no sense of smell lmao

[urban flax]

In legacy you could scent footprints, meat, plants, water, blood and that was enough

In evrima you need to be able to tell apart footprints, blood, fresh meat, rotten meat, bones, non-diet plants, three different types of food on your diet, water, megapacks, sanctuaries, migration zones, patrol zones, mud pools and salt rocks

[urban flax]

Uh, you can tho ?

[covert tiger]

@sullen tundra you're correct in everything you said, but thats literally the entire point: deino absolutely should be difficult and demoralizing for new players. You shouldn't be touching it if youre new. It's intended to be heavily stacked against new players.
It should be the hardest thing to grow at the moment since it's the strongest carnivore. A necessary population control aspect.
You cannot expect to dive in and happily grow and kill everything on your first day when you haven't mastered the basic concepts of the game yet.
A lot of problems you mentioned can be learned and overcome as you play other creatures and learn how the game works.
It's a long brutal time investment for sure.

With that said, fish give way too little food to an adult deino now, but that's a whole other story and nothing to do with a young deino.

[mint hazel]

not in my experience

[barren zephyr]

They are barely visible

[urban flax]

Once you get close to footprints you can track them and then they become bright as hell

[barren zephyr]

Didnt know that

[mint hazel]

i just havent even seen them no matter how much i sniff lol

[barren zephyr]

There is struggle but no reward. You cant use your strenght that you worked so hard for to hunt as intended, there is no prey

[urban flax]

Then you were probably unlucky

[serene gale]

Maybe re add footprint smelling from legacy back bc when the weren't bugged they worked perfectly fine tbh

[urban flax]

Unironically
Nerfing deino's lunge would provide it with more interaction opportunities

[barren zephyr]

Lunge is the ONLY thing dieno has

[mint hazel]

how?

[barren zephyr]

It aint gonna go on land to kill

[mint hazel]

then it wont be able to capitalize on the opportunities it DOES get

[barren zephyr]

It CANT its a niche animal ngl

[covert tiger]

There is plenty of reward for an experienced player, once you know the map and know how to avoid or win deino fights, and know where fish spawns, and how to migrate to lakes, etc.
But yes don't touch it if you're new, there will only be pain. That's how it should be.

[barren zephyr]

Dieno is built to be an ambush hunter, nerfing lunge would be like declawing a wild cat - cant protect itself or do stuff properly

[barren zephyr]

I guess youre right

[urban flax]

Okay so.
Right now deino's lunge is basically an instant kill for anyone getting grabbed. There is no way to avoid it, and no way to get out of it.
The only way to not die to a deino is to never meet a deino.
Therefore people only ever go where they are certain they won't get attacked by a deino

[mint hazel]

okay?

[barren zephyr]

Thats how its meant to be

[urban flax]

Now, if there WAS a way to survive a deino attack, I can assure you people would get cocky and take the risk instead of travelling the extra 2 km to get to safe drinking places

[barren zephyr]

You need a lot of skill to hunt as a dieno

[barren zephyr]

Hell naw

[urban flax]

People do seek interaction
But they also want said interaction to not necessarily end in their death

[mint hazel]

this is just so false

its literally sit and wait lmfao

[urban flax]

since when ?

[barren zephyr]

Well maybe not a lot

[urban flax]

Deino has 0 interactivity with any other playable, bar beipi who may run on land to avoid them

It's boring for everyone involved

[barren zephyr]

Wdym by interactivity

[urban flax]

Playing
2 players meeting in a place and having their actions have an impact on whatever happens

[barren zephyr]

So fighting?

You cant do much else when it comes to interaction :/

[urban flax]

Fighting
Running away from a predator
Socializing
Anything

[barren zephyr]

So fighting and chatting

This game lacks things to do ngl

[urban flax]

Whatever you say
Anyway deino doesn't do any of that with any other species

[barren zephyr]

There isnt any competition for dieno in the water

[dark sphinx]

It's already a competition with each other

[urban flax]

I know
But adding another water apex to compete with it wouldn't solve its inherent issues

[barren zephyr]

True

[barren zephyr]

What issues exactly?

[urban flax]

Lack of interactivity and counterplay

[barren zephyr]

Yea cuz its an ambusher, the only counterplay is to avoid them

[drifting finch]

how do I outrun dilos venom ilusion as omni? dilo lowkey is so OP with that, it doesnt even make sense dilos being bigger than omnis as they were smaller than omnis.

[urban flax]

Compare it to herrera, who can be spotted before it attacks, the pounce can be dodged, and it can be punished if it misses
That's counterplay, that deino lacks
And that's why people have learned to avoid any place where there could be deinos at all costs, which they don't do with herrera

[barren zephyr]

Everyone is trying to kill everyone ( most of the time ) so idk about interactivity, you mean like encountering other dinos in water or what, im sorry but im still confused about interactivity

[urban flax]

You see people walking through jungles just fine
Because meeting with a herrera isn't guaranteed death

[urban flax]

Dilo is accurately-sized
Omni is a fictional species

[barren zephyr]

Herras can hide very well too

[urban flax]

Yeah
But they're not completely invisible, AND they make sounds when they move

[barren zephyr]

Experienced herras will ambush you whem youre distracyed

[barren zephyr]

Same as dienos?

[urban flax]

Unlike deinos

[drifting finch]

its basically the same thing as the utah bro

[urban flax]

Omni is a JP raptor, it's nothing like a utahraptor

[barren zephyr]

They do make very quiet sounds and you aint gonna hear a herra coming for you from the very top of a tree

[dark sphinx]

You don't play deino then, the amount of them doing weird thing and being spot by the whole map

[drifting finch]

what is jp?

[barren zephyr]

This

[barren zephyr]

Jurassic park

[urban flax]

Not my fault if deino players don't know the basics of ambushing
They can absolutely move without making any sound nor being seen

[barren zephyr]

Same as herras? Only experienced ppl look up

[drifting finch]

oh ok thanks for explaining, but, google says that raptors were heavier than dilo

[dark sphinx]

Yes when they are good, but you will surprised of the amount of people who are not (i've seen them often)

[urban flax]

Don't trust google

[barren zephyr]

Also herras can sit in a tree for a long time so

[urban flax]

Should the game cater to players who want to play an apex with the potential to oneshot 90% of the roster but don't know the very basics of how to play as such ?

[barren zephyr]

Dienos and herras are similar - Herra, less deadly but more space to hunt, Dieno - much more deadly, less space

Both are ambushers

Both can be very quiet and patient

[urban flax]

There is a key difference between them however
Herrera has counterplay, therefore it has more hunting opportunities because people don't avoid its biome as much, convinced they can survive it
Deino dies of starvation

[barren zephyr]

True

Also herras can go anywhere so

[urban flax]

If herrera worked like deino does, people would just never go near jungles and it would starve to death just like deino does

[urban flax]

They need vantage points to ambush

[dark sphinx]

I could tell you how you can even manage a deino who know what he is doing but then again i won't shoot a bullet in my foot. Yes basically if you were grabbed you're dead but you can prevent that in a few way in fact

[barren zephyr]

I mean they can go through plains amd stuff, dieno will die if it goes out of the water

[urban flax]

Herrera will die even faster if it's caught walking in the plains

A herrera on the ground can lose to a dryo

[sullen tundra]

So overall then guys whats your suggestions for a new player who wants to have a decent experience while also being able to learn the game, maybe not die immediately from hunger and a chance to live? Dilo? Herra? Evrima Official for context.

[barren zephyr]

It can go in plains but dieno cant
The envirorment itself ( not players ) will not kill a herra if it chooses to travel

[barren zephyr]

Omni is good

[urban flax]

Not much apart from the environment can kill a deino tho

[barren zephyr]

Ability easy to grasp, not a bad dino, easy to play with friends and ask questions

[urban flax]

galli

[barren zephyr]

FG? True

[barren zephyr]

Gali is good too

[sullen tundra]

Thx. Id also tried a cera but died to hunger cuz i couldnt find anything after a while.

I just want something fast and maneuverable in case I need to book it from literally everything

[icy lion]

Definitely galli

[barren zephyr]

Gali or omni then

Gali better tho

[sullen tundra]

Word, galli it is then. They are omnivors right?

[urban flax]

yes

[sullen tundra]

Awesome, seems like that would provide the best options and learning experience then. Appreciate all your help and answers, humans. 🙂

[urban flax]

But omnivores cannot eat other dinos
Only crabs, frogs and compies

[hidden mist]

Hope we all still remember Erebus… Days pass by without our one and only.

[normal shuttle]

@scenic rock nah just git gud. It’s all about skill and pounces are super rewarding when landed successfully

It’s just aiming and clicking a button. No need to make it even less skilled

[static niche]

not the newbies crying in feedback because they’re accidentally killing their teammates lol

[coarse spruce]

I think it's a decent dissuasion to larger and larger packs, giving diminishing returns #general-feedback message

that said they just need to reduce the pounce hitbox width, make it nice and narrow and only in front of the raptor

[dawn hound]

@sullen tundra https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1323316556515643463 I highly agree with the starvation issue. People talked about it many many times due to the lack of ai and sometimes players, and i think it just should be fixed mainly because the new players (including you) struggle with it. However I think deino gameplay is ment to be cannibalistic because crocodilians are being cannibalistic in real life and due to it being an easy to play apex in the game, weighting 8 tons.

[teal parrot]

@viscid pier #general-feedback message
and make it so herbivores hanging out next to a corpse for too long get a debuff but also their scent shows up on the scent radar. 😉

[teal parrot]

Not all are meant to be, you get sick if you canabalize and ur not a cannibal. Or don’t have the mutation.

[desert arch]

The herbivores when theyre nesting and one of their hatchlings dies so the entire herd gets a debuff:

[dawn hound]

okay, but even if deino wasnt a canniball irl, i think it should be and perhaps shouldnt be after spinosaurus gets released.

[desert arch]

It doesnt even have to be one of their hatchlings, scavenger ai raid nests occasionally, theyd be punished for defending their own nest LOL

[viscid pier]

thats a good idea to honestly

[teal parrot]

Good point. But if nestling dies, perhaps herbs can pick it up and carry it far from the nest. This is really what would happen irl because you don’t wanna get sick from ur dead hatchlings polluting the environment.

[desert arch]

Allowing herbivores to interact with bodies would cause far more harm than good

[teal parrot]

Maybe. 🤔 you make good points. Maybe make it so there’s no debuff in proximity of nesting grounds then.

[desert arch]

Then 2 herbis can make a nest on the body theyre guarding

[viscid pier]

as for Deinos and Canibalism... YES they ARE and should be crocs are IRL but they should NOT be encuraged to murder each other when there similure sized and fully healthy... preditors in the wild ONLY when they are scavangeing, or eating a much smaller one, or are starveing to death.. there OPERTUNISTIC cannibuls they dont prefer it.. the current situation with Deino it's honestly some of there best food options... I hope more life on the lsle will change that however

[desert arch]

Your idea sounds nice in theory, but theres just simply no way to balance it or put it in game without it sucking for someone

[viscid pier]

maybe we can have a system were herbies can move bodies..but only slowly...very very slowly?

they can drag it away from there nests but it's not practical to corpse steal

i dont want to Enconvience the herbie players just discurage unrealistic and trollish behavoir =p so im open to refineing the idea!

ive included these ideas in the suggestion

[teal parrot]

Yes they could. But they can’t make a nest anywhere right? Must be in right location.
But still can be abused… oh I know.

Make it so making a NEW nest is blocked by the presence of corpses within the nests buff radius. Then, herbis could not make any nest too near a corpse, but once nest is built, they CAN be immune to corpse debuff for any NEW corpse within the nests buff radius.

@viscid pier

[viscid pier]

added in that idea i like it

that protects nesting herbies By makeing the Nest render them immune

and prevents them from trolling by nesting to corpse denigh

[desert arch]

Sounds good enough to me.
But problem though is carnivores could carry around corpses to debuff the herbi player.

Like lets say 4 ceratos are carrying around a couple troodon corpses and they see a stego they want to hunt, the stego will obviously hunker down and find a defensible spot to camp, but then the ceratos drop the bodies they were carrying and now the stego is suffering from debuffs.

[viscid pier]

there "less stressed" by the corpse ebcouse there at home

It would need ot be ona timer

jsut walking up to a herbie with a hunk of neat wouldent do anything

its for if something dies and the herbie is just camping it for several minuts

[desert arch]

A troodon body can be carried as isnt a meat chunk

And also balancing the debuff would be a nightmare. Make it too mild and it wouldnt change a thing, make it too severe and now youre punishing innocent players

[viscid pier]

entire bodies would be required for the debuff yeah but like I said it would need to be something that "built up" before takeing effect you cant attack with a corpse in your mouth =p

it's not perfect

[teal parrot]

DeBuff should only kick in after a period of time in proximity. I’d say maybe 3 minutes within range of a corpse?

[desert arch]

Then the body camping herbivore guards for 3 minutes, leaves the debuff radious then comes back

[viscid pier]

but the players need to be Beaten about the head with a trunchen untill they learn to behavoir a bit better =p there should be SOME level of realism even on low rules servers...herbies just doing everything they can to make life miserable for carnivores when they allready outclass them in waight and power most of the time, is cancer XD If a lone Raptor manages to kill a wounded or stragleing Juvie, the parents getting mad for a while is fine but they need to move on eventtualy...what you ahev is bored players trolling for entertainment XD

[desert arch]

Or just stays out of the debuff radious entirely until the carnivore tries to eat

[woven bane]

you know, you can just leave the corpse and return to it later when they lose interest

[viscid pier]

i useualy do this but if your starveing or if there a lot of other preds in the area thats an issue XD

[teal parrot]

Yeah and these devs are pretty bad at balancing things. lol. I’d make the debuff a build up of nausea, but slow. Like the Cera sickness build up. Out of corpse proximity, it drains moderately fast. Within corpse proximity it builds slowly, such that within 3 minutes, it hits max and herbi starts to puke.

The fresher the corpse the slower the build up, maybe a really rotten corpse will make a herb sick in 2 mins.

[viscid pier]

i think it should be a build up maybe it nerfs stamina regen or something untill you move away from the corpse if its not at 100% theres no effect but it takes a little time to drop off so running back IN will just debuff you again?

[woven bane]

might be but that’s not a common experience. it should be left as it is instead of creating a whole system against it with potential exploits

[viscid pier]

maybe but in a game like this if you want your player base to have better behavoir you have to guide them to do so via mechanics...hense my suggestions. ive seen a LOT of corpse cmaping herbies XD

[desert arch]

Sounds nice and all, but the range of it would be extremely hard to balance. Ill say it again, make it too forgiving and it wont change a thing because the body guarding herbi will just stay slightly out of range all the time, make it too punishing and now youll punish innocent players.

[teal parrot]

That I agree that’s the hardest part of idea.

Yep

[desert arch]

Random herbies who are passing through or in hotspots like south plains will come accross a ton of corpses and will get debuffs if the radious is too hars

[woven bane]

no way around it🤷‍♂️

[viscid pier]

could do short radious faster build up?

[desert arch]

Its such an overly complicated fix for an issue that honestly doesnt exist that its just not worth the time of the already very small coding team

[desert arch]

Herbivore whos body denying just stays slightly out of range and suffers 0 cpnsequence

[viscid pier]

true...

maybe the "Corpse stink" salution is a better deterrent... camp to long and you can be detected for a longer radious untill it falls off?

wont punish statisticly but will POSSIBLY attract more preditores

[teal parrot]

Yep. But that’s kinda realistic to be grossed out or denied an area from dead animals. Maybe the timing could be balanced too, 5 mins for fresh corpse, 3 for rotten. But there’s gotta be a sweet spot, depending on how fast a herbi can move from the outer radius, to the center to attack.

OH! Maybe also having two radius’s, where the first inner one builds up nausea, but the second leaves existing nausea static. The first one being a smaller radius, the second being large. Thereby forcing the herb to move MUCH farther away to get rid of nausea. Then going back to idea of 1-3 mins for nausea to progress to vomiting, 🤮 herbi would be forced to not only stay away from dead corpses, they would be forced to retreat FAR away once they built up some nausea, in order to feel better.

[viscid pier]

in reality if herbivores smelled corpses..they would go AWAY from them

of corse in reality deino night vision would be fantastic instead of hot trash XD but here we are

[teal parrot]

Sorry guys I’m nonstop ideas and I love love love all ur good feedback all the reasons the idea won’t work push me to think of more ways to maybe make it work. 🙂

[viscid pier]

gives me something to do while i grow older in this Queue... XD

[icy lion]

@hard python Rex and allo are both in development

[hard python]

i hope they come out soon

[woven bane]

2025

[teal parrot]

Can we talk about this idea too?

#general-feedback message

[viscid pier]

I think the idea might work out ok but hit boxes are allready WEIRD

This might lead to everybody snapping at nothing then getting frustrated

You get punished for missing with a varying cd between bites as is

[mint hazel]

can carno knock down a cera from a long charge

not that it'll ever happen but im curious

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message @vivid mason LMAOOOOOOO NO WAY

[vivid mason]

ikr

[mint hazel]

i didnt even think that was possible

a full grown cera with no night vision sounds horrible

[vivid mason]

lmao srsly

[woeful latch]

that should be an achievement lmao

[mint hazel]

thats lowkey a good idea

theres no achievements in game are there, its all just grow and fight

or eat grass and die

i wish herbis just ate grass and died

[woeful latch]

grow a fg dilo without ever using a nv

day hunter

[mint hazel]

ah i hate dilos

well, i hate ceras more but i definitely dont like dilos

[woven bane]

i once met a herra player who didn’t know that it could climb. he was using it as a raptor lmao

[woeful latch]

LMAOOO

[viscid pier]

XD

[woeful latch]

i met a teno who didn’t know how to tail slam🥺

i mean how to kick*

because they had alt attacks enabled

[woven bane]

35N bite to defend yourself🔥

[viscid pier]

ive been enjoying my raptor... i'll try Dilo again next see if i cna grow it large enough to use the poison...every time i try a cera I get eaten by antoher slightly larger cera instently XD so..yeah

will get better when they introduce small critters for baby carnivores to enjoy =p

[woeful latch]

real

[mint hazel]

mann i hate that the ceras i fight dont ever get eaten by other ceras lmao

they always form massive groups that i cant fight against

and bully me out of all my food

[wooden agate]

how do you even get to FG herrera before you figure that out

[woven bane]

scavenging ig

[viscid pier]

there small enough to live to adult and possibly sustain themselves at adult on fish so...yeah probobly that and scavangeing

[woven bane]

i don’t think he knew that herrera could fish either😅

[mint hazel]

bros an anomaly

[wooden agate]

do you think he ever got confused about why he could survive such long falls

[teal parrot]

That explains a lot. Would make it better for aiming and timing I think, and fairly intuitive to pull off because the simple click to bite would still work exactly the same. Just that you could also open and hold mouth ready to bite, and you could cancel a bite by holding the full 3 seconds and letting the bite cancel out itself.

[tepid gale]

#general-feedback message boohoo my 8 ton free grow apex predator that holds right click to win might starve to death if i dont have my fishys to eatttt

[woeful latch]

xd

[north quiver]

@sullen tundra my guy, you’re trying to grow the strongest apex carnivore we have that has no other predator aside from other deinos lol I’d be worried if it was easier for a new player to do, then deinos would be utterly everywhere like they were back on Spiro

I recommend playing herbivore or omnivore if you want a better experience, or get nested in

but I do agree there could be more new-player-friendly additions, like a player guide for every playable

but survival should not be easier for the strongest playables in the game

[woeful latch]

real.

[white elm]

good.

[tepid gale]

fr

[white elm]

8 tonne alligatoroids should be hard to maintain.

[cinder haven]

boring animal

[cinder haven]

That's how they want it to be.

[neat scroll]

They should be difficult to maintain, but they shouldn't be starving to death between the few ambush chances they get because the fish give nothing to an animal that's diet primarily consisted of fish. Crocs are ambush predators. They have to be able to sustain through long periods of time to get their chance. Nile crocodiles can survive over a year without eating, and typically go weeks or months between meals. They have to because the migrations that force herds of wildebeest through their rivers only come twice a year.

The isle is both far less populated than herds of tens of thousands and there is absolutely 0 reason to actually be killed by a deino unless you want it because of the amount of safe drinking water. Genuinely there is no reason to ever swim or drink at an unsafe spot because of the abundance. Player interaction is already rare between server pop and drinking safety + muts. Removing the ability to bare minimum sustain even if it's without diet makes deino unplayable.

[cinder haven]

the strongest abex is not considered the strongest abex is no longer considered a smart player, it will not die, and it is not considered the strongest because stego and trex cannot kill it, it is pointless to play boring animal right now, it is already called a baby, it is an ordeal to raise it, it is an ordeal to find food. (The letter is broken, by the way !!!)

[neat scroll]

I mean yeah. It's an ambush predator. Waiting for hours completely still in the same spot ought to have been a harder sell to this community than it was lol

[cinder haven]

it's impossible to keep them in meaningless safe drinking areas and you can't kill smart players

this ambush hunter should have been strong enough to defeat rex (I'm not defending 11 tons)

but this animal must lurk and only kill dinosaurs that drink water or cross water.
But the 6-ton stego trex will watch them (that's a deno insult)

[neat scroll]

It doesn't matter if you store them in a place with safe water or not. Any player with half a brain is just going to avoid the unsafe water and visit one of the other 40 safe spots that are all over the map instead

[cinder haven]

Yes it is, that's why it's pointless to play the game.

his only source of nutrition are the inexperienced players and himself.

I didn't say game, I meant try. (translation erro)

[neat scroll]

On deino anyways. There was a charm to it before the fish nerf because you could feasibly wait hours for your chance. Now it's just a slow but guaranteed starvation

The map was really poorly designed where semi-aquatics are concerned

[cinder haven]

👍🏻 my thought is that when trex and trike come, when no one tries to play, then he gets buff XD

[neat scroll]

I think we might end up waiting until other semi-aquatics come out to see major deino changes. When bary and sucho hit they'll need to revamp all of the aquatic areas anyways. Then there's spino somewhere painfully distant that'll also have to be considered

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
LOL "how did you grow a full cera without NV"

[hardy vine]

@proud osprey that’s kind of the point, you can’t have the whole server being apexes

[proud osprey]

Apex’s will always control apex populations just as they do now, plus smaller carnivores that have advantages over them will control numbers also (dilos etc)

[desert arch]

Also if the growth speed was doubled it would be twice as hard to grow, since you would starve way way faster than you do rn

And people are already complaining about starving to death

It would also just encourage pvp bloodbath simulator since adult dinos would be worthless

[barren zephyr]

<@&401466542140817419> <@&933486433342222376> Hey, sorry I dont known where to ask this but I cant join this discord server on my new main discord account. and was just wondering if I could get some help regarding this problem, The discord user name its regarding is Hades000. Thank you for your time.

[wintry whale]

We don’t allow multiple accounts, as per rule 13

[barren zephyr]

@wintry whale oh right, So if i leave on this account then Im able to join on the other one?

[wintry whale]

That would have to be a senior admin question, I’m not entirely sure how all that works

[barren zephyr]

@wintry whale okay, well thanks for the quick reply. do you know how I can figure this out?

[wintry whale]

I’ll ask and get back to you

[barren zephyr]

Thank you so much.

[teal parrot]

@primal falcon #general-feedback message
I disagree. Herbivores can heal from eating too, iirc, and carnivores have to fight to eat. So regen from eating allows predators to carry out a hunt, or to be dying of starvation and heal when they find food.
Herbs camp bodies anyway, and they need to have some kind of nausea build up from camping too long.

[primal falcon]

Carnivores can already heal after dying of starvation, by resting. And sure, herbivores can get the perk too, but that just makes it worse. If everyone is constantly trying to eat during combat, it all just feels too gamey and just isnt fun. I do agree that herbivores should get some sort of debuff from camping bodies, but currently body camping is only encouraged by the presence of gastronomic regeneration.

[sullen tundra]

I completely understand and respect the perspective that growing one of the strongest apex predators in the game shouldn’t be an easy task. Deinosuchus is designed to dominate, and achieving that status should absolutely feel like an accomplishment. If it were too easy, we’d see Deinos oversaturating the game world, harming the overall balance and experience. I’m not asking for survival to be effortless—I understand that a challenging growth curve is part of the fun.

That said, I believe there’s a middle ground to preserve the challenge while improving immersion and the experience for new players. My biggest issue isn’t the difficulty itself—it’s the complete lack of any signs of life in the world. - And this applies to more than just Deinos, TBH.

For instance, the swamps should feel like bustling ecosystems filled with smaller creatures, insects, and even decayed carcasses to provide realism and opportunity. Swimming through the swamp and not seeing a single mosquito, worm, fish, or other sign of life feels unnatural and disconnected from the vibrant ecosystem one would expect. Instead, it creates a hollow experience, where survival feels impossible because the world itself feels oddly empty.

The current AI spawn mechanic, where life seems to appear only near player congregations, compounds this issue. It doesn’t enhance survival—it often serves as a warning that a larger predator is nearby. While this mechanic makes sense for higher-tier prey, there should still be smaller, ambient life forms or scavenging opportunities that reflect a thriving ecosystem. Even a starving gator in the time period the game emulates would likely turn to anything for sustenance, yet no such options exist.

I feel the lack of life in these environments detracts from immersion and makes survival feel more like a chore than a challenge. The swamps and rivers are beautifully designed, but they feel like walking through a restaurant with no food, no employees, and no signs of life.

[teal parrot]

If someone tries to eat during combat, karma gets them, they get whacked. I think the perk is for eating AFTER combat to heal.

[primal falcon]

But it is very easily used in combat. If it was limited to only being used outside of combat, that would be fine, but that simply isn't the case.

[primal falcon]

Not to mention, outside of combat, there's nothing stopping you from just resting, so I feel cellular regeneration is just a more balanced perk in regards to post-combat healing.

At its core, The Isle is a survival game, but Gastronomic Regeneration just makes it feel closer to a PvP Deathmatch.

[north quiver]

it’s unfortunately dead because the server player count needs to be significantly higher and certain playables need to be made to thrive in swamps (swamps are genuinely a NIGHTMARE to transverse through if you aren’t a deino, except maybe a beipi lol)

the 150 player no ai server was actually genuinely fun to play on when it fills once a blue moon because you could find players nearly everywhere. but people like playing on ai servers, and the ai servers unfortunately can’t go much higher in player pop because it murders the server ping

on the topic of swamp and traversing through it, hypsi is absolutely horrid

it’ll be out of breath from swimming or jumping every 20 feet lol

[brisk solar]

pteranodon needs to only spawn at water access next to the lake or increase the food available at the second spawn or decrease food loss while being young or increase stamina recovery to reach food

[latent olive]

@gaunt cobalt https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301953837799706697/1302037054573514803/Quetzalcoatlus.png?ex=67747080&is=67731f00&hm=04abc93a6b856be517c2f25e26ed98c801ecbed8d364e7aa8fe3fd411a61a2c8&

yeag quetz is in

[gaunt cobalt]

ohhh holy that's so nice is there any info besides these sketches?

[lilac bolt]

we have a few skins as well and one more drawing

[gaunt cobalt]

i love this i just hope it doesn't take a few years for realease

is this a small team or does it just feel like slow updates

[indigo gulch]

Small team

[lilac bolt]

kind of a mix of both honestly. the team isn't huge or anything and the quality of the stuff they try to bring out makes stuff take a while to release

[normal shuttle]

@wooden cipher if you are suggesting that scent should be used to locate other players as a carnivore, I believe that is a terrible idea because stealth and situational awareness are vital concepts in this game

that would plainly invalidate stealth when you can already smell their tracks

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message fresh corpses shouldn’t be useless to ceratos imo. what’s the point of corpse bullying?

[wooden cipher]

There we meet with muds

ever saw a herbivore with mud?

They dont even need it

Dont tell me that carnivores sniffs for only death bodies

A polar bear can even smell the meat inside of a metal box

And we talking abt carnis lived million years ago

[urban flax]

You never see a herbivore covered in mud because there isn't mud everywhere

[wooden cipher]

ive been playing for a year

I dont think its only bc there are no mud everwhere

Also sniffing not supposed to give actualy location

An area to search it can be good though

[bold lodge]

#general-feedback message Stego is supposed to be an apex herbivore, it took me like 6 hours to grow mine today to 100%. It's gotta be strong, it's gotta hit hard, it is the strongest

[woven bane]

no

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/jakobglanc-gif-26492901

[cyan dew]

I dont think steggo would be so bad if the map didnt have cliffs everywhere that they can abuse by standing on them. Not very hard to defend yourself with that much hp facing off a cliff left clicking once if anything gets close

[bold lodge]

then its the same thing with diablos in little rocky crevasses like all over the highlands mountains

just keep the stego there till he needs to get food or water

like a siege

[raven sky]

It's a viable strategy there's nothing wrong with that

[indigo gulch]

I mean….it shouldn’t ALWAYS be valid

[cyan dew]

its clearly cheesy and used as a crutch way too often at every POI or migration

[indigo gulch]

I’ve seen 5 hour stego hunting sessions as omni and it didn’t matter where they went, walk to a wall or cliff and there is nothing they can do

[woven bane]

growing for 6 hours dosent warrant making it invincible

[bold lodge]

its only nearly invincible

[woven bane]

no, can’t die on stego unless u got a skill issue

[bold lodge]

cant die on anything unless u got a skill issue

[woven bane]

wrong

[indigo gulch]

Thats a lie and you know it

[raven sky]

Using the terrain to your advantage isn't cheesy.

[woven bane]

an omni dying to a dilo isn’t a skill issue for example

[bold lodge]

someone has a skill issue

[indigo gulch]

?

[bold lodge]

does sound like a skill issue to me

[woven bane]

ok “chris”

[indigo gulch]

I never implied it was me?

[bold lodge]

I'm Chris

[woven bane]

u are

[indigo gulch]

But you do you?

[bold lodge]

hy

[indigo gulch]

It’s perfectly reasonable to die to megapacks. That’s not a skill issue, just being outnumbered. Not something that is affected by skill

[woven bane]

1 dimensional minded person

[cyan dew]

When the terrain negates intended carnivore gameplay mechanics.. it kinda is. Just like killing difficult AI in other games is by standing on something out of its reach, making it next to, or impossible for it to win.

im saying the map design promotes this kind of boring gameplay too often

[normal shuttle]

Don’t care about realism, I care about game design first and foremost

And having passive detection of other players who are trying to hide and survive is a terrible idea

Just pressing a button and countering their stealth and careful gameplay because they didn’t wallow every 2 minutes

Herbivore players are also that, players. They are trying to survive and thrive, gameplay isn’t meant to cater exclusively to carnivores, let alone in a way that is straight up unfair for herbis

#general-feedback message also what is wrong with stego

[hushed island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihiRwuHP6Eg
can u guys cook up general feedback that summarizes all of the stuff mentioned in this video im too lazy but the ideas are good

if you do I'll give u 10 dondi bucks

[valid zephyr]

@green niche I don't think that 'herbivores' and 'carnivores' should all have their NV generalised like that.

there should be some herbis good at night, while some carnis are bad at night

even if the opposite is more common

like currently dryo has pretty good NV

[green niche]

oo yeah i forgot that the small herbis currently have good nv. i do agree that it should be species dependent

[turbid trellis]

Why are people so against a /kill command?

[wintry cipher]

Not sure on that one but i do know there are spawn codes planned to be added to group with friends easier (like- soon. It was hoped to have it last horde test even but it wasnt ready). Players used to choose their spawns and it resulted in hotspots being really bad. Now players are much more spread out

You had 3 diff things in that feedback so they could be disagreeing with any one of those

[turbid trellis]

True I suppose. But 'removing spawn locations to avoid hotspots' is dumb as people meet up anyway so the hot-spot will become a hot-spot regardless surely

[wintry cipher]

Apparently thats not the case as while some are persistent enough to do that not everyone is

[turbid trellis]

I just want a /kill command man, spent more time waiting to die rather than actually playing most of the time 😂

[cyan dew]

drain stam and run into a water source. your time is way too valuable

[latent olive]

the random spawning IMMENSELY reduced how strong hotspots were

it was a huge boon to activity across the map

the /kill command im mixed about, because theres definitely ways to abuse it

[turbid trellis]

I mean, as long as your body doesn't despawn after you die then I don't see a problem because if somethings after you and you use the /kill then you're gonna die either way

[latent olive]

moreso along the lines of wedging yourself into a wall/crevice/crack and using the command to try and glitch your body through the wall to deny

alternatively could just have a cooldown period after being attacked, but it depends how long that cooldown period is

[turbid trellis]

I mean, there's going to be morons like that in every game, that's just how some people are but I think for the majority, it'll be a much better experience, especially for us noobs who have to keep finding ways to kill ourselves which can take a while instead of a 2 second command

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @spark coral cera aren’t stun resistant on corpses, their bleed resistance isn’t crazy good either

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Cerato is a corpse bully. Just walk away from the body and they lose the buffs and you can punish them for being greedy.

They are knockdown resistant Flow. Not stun resistant but yeah.

[woven bane]

ye

[spark coral]

typical cera player response

[wintry cipher]

Herb player. Teno atm. The name not give enough of a hint? Lmao

Sounds like you were just a carno that decided to face tank

[woven bane]

fails to rebunk resorts to name calling lmao

[woeful latch]

it’s 50%, it is kinda ridiculous

there’s no reason for cera to have 50% bleed resistance even without body, it has 25-50% more when it’s close to the body

[woeful latch]

just don’t fight a cera near the body

[spark coral]

brother just stop, im not here to argue about your main

[spark coral]

just nerf the busted dino

[woeful latch]

fighting cera near the body doesn’t make any sense

[woeful latch]

it needs nerfs, but body buff is fine ig since being corpse bully is its whole thing

[woven bane]

that’s kinda it’s whole thing. it’s like saying “why is carno fast”

[junior nymph]

flint is your average islecorder

[woven bane]

what nerfs

[woeful latch]

it’s not? why does cera has 50% bleed resistance?

why it should have it? what makes cera so special?

[woeful latch]

make it so charge bite reduces speed to 38-39, just to make the charge bite less offensive.

remove or nerf the bleed resistance. 50% is just so unnecessary

make it so it can’t gain bacteria from fresh bodies, but it will gain more bacteria from the rotten bodies. (so it actually uses its manual vomit mechanic to make bodies rotten faster)

nerf the amount of bacteria it applies (2 bites to make fg teno vomit is honestly insane, it’s too much) but at the same time it will take less bacteria for cera to make something vomit.

make tap charge bite deal almost no damage, make it so bite charges a lot slower (at least 4 seconds) but you could hold the charge bite forever.

something like this

not really a nerf, more like a rework

and it also would be nice if cera could somehow indicate its body buffed, like louder rawrs or special sound it will constantly make while charging its bite

[icy lion]

@dense elm Planned

[dense elm]

i hope so? i hope they prioritize it a bit more because currently its rlly frustrating :')

[wintry cipher]

Its planned and was hoped to be added to the last hordetest but they just didnt get it working in time before break. Should be one of the next features hopefully!

[dense elm]

ah thats wonderful then! id love for that to be the case ^^

[woven bane]

because that’s literally one of its characteristics. being resilient and resistant.
if you take away carnos speed for example it’s no longer itself

[dusty wagon]

hi
i just got the game and i cant find any servers is there any reason why?

[icy lion]

Right click the game in your steam library, click properties, click betas, select the drop-down bar and select evrima

[woeful latch]

hmm it’s not the same thing.

and ceras thing is being a body bully, getting buffs without body buff is too much.

[woven bane]

the cera and teno matchup is a 50/50 currently. with all these nerfs it would heavily favor teno

[dusty wagon]

thanks

[woeful latch]

teno vs cera doesn’t matter as much as ceras balance in general

[woven bane]

it would also affect most of its matchups

[woeful latch]

i don’t want cera getting nerfed so i have easier time fighting, no. it’s just cera having too many buffs currently

no other playable in the game has that

literally no other playable has even half of the buffs it got

[woven bane]

it is the same thing. when you play as the dino with thick skin and osteoderms you expect it to be resistant no?

[barren crater]

carno has osteoderms! (nvm i was wrong!)

[woeful latch]

what exactly makes cera in particular thick skinned?

[barren crater]

and thick skin!

[woven bane]

dang

it should have bleed resistance

[woeful latch]

it’s the balance that matters tbf

[woven bane]

ceras bleed resistance has never been a problem

[woeful latch]

why? why cera should have bleed resistance but teno or dibble should not?

[woeful latch]

it was always a problem

[woven bane]

because being resistant isn’t their thing. i don’t go around asking why cerato can’t knockdown stuff

[woeful latch]

it’s just an example, same with every other land dino basically

[woven bane]

“why is beipi allowed to be fast in water but not herrera”

[woeful latch]

it’s not the same thing tho. like dibble knocking down stuff actually makes sense, but cera having 50% bleed resistance is not

[woven bane]

does deino having bleed resistance make sense

[woeful latch]

i mean, i agree with cera having the buff on body, not always and everywhere

[woeful latch]

not really, because it survives like 4 headshots from the stego and doesn’t bleed out. tho i can see why it has the bleed res, its a croc after all

but balance wise it’s not good

[woven bane]

bruh

cerato has been getting nerf after nerf since the nv update it still needs some tweaks but nothing crazy. a list of what was changed.

• vomit can’t be used as a stun lock tool
• gaining bacteria from fresh corpses requires 2 stomachs worth of eating
• bile was reduced by 50%
• damadge mitigation while eating has also been reduced

[woeful latch]

bacteria reduced by 50% is not even a nerf since before it was just ridiculous, like even now bacteria is too op.

before it was just..

[woven bane]

still pretty big changes besides that

[woeful latch]

yes, because it was like 100% damage reduction, ofc that needs to be removed

like ceras were eating in the middle of the fight and nothing could stop them

[woven bane]

it wasn’t. that was a bug

they can’t tank tenos front alt while eating anymore. they could do that before

[woeful latch]

vomit should’ve never been used as a stun lock

like everything you said is not even a nerf, it’s just making a playable at least somewhat balanced and fun to fight against

it still needs nerfs

[woven bane]

sure but still a pretty big nerf🤷‍♂️

[woeful latch]

it’s a nerf for sure. but without it cera was just actually busted, like worse than the current dilo

[woven bane]

just have the charged bite dmg take longer to build up

[woeful latch]

this is more or less fair

[woven bane]

it wasn’t busted except for when they messed up it’s bile

[woeful latch]

it was😭 it actually was

and it’s still is

when you see like 10 ceras in one giant pack running around the map you know there’s a reason it’s not carnos or omnis, it’s ceras.

they know they got so many buffs they don’t really need to care about anything

[woven bane]

why. gaining bacteria from corpses has already been nerfed, it’s bile is fine now, it actually feels like a deterrent now and can’t be stalled out as easily, tap charge doing nearly no dmg? nah

[woven bane]

probably because people want to play as the biggest and strongest carnivore🤷‍♂️

[raven sky]

Because carno is terrible and people want to play the biggest carnivore so cera is the only option left. Wanting to nerf cera just because it's actually good and not at the level of the terrible carno is just stupid.

Leave it alone man.

[woeful latch]

how is 2 bites to make teno vomit is fair

[woeful latch]

not really, if the biggest and strongest was the only reason everyone would play as a stego.

how is 50% bleed resistance is fair?

[woven bane]

2 charged bites* you can avoid vomiting by not engaging with them

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message finally people realize that maia doesn’t need a buff, took community a while

[woeful latch]

it’s 2 bites, not charge bites

[woven bane]

how is teno having 300 more hp than a cerato fair🤷‍♂️ your argument could be used for everything

[woeful latch]

or tap charge bites

[woven bane]

no

[indigo gulch]

Is that in reply to the feedback or the “no because they finally realize”?

[woeful latch]

maia doesn’t need a buff, it was a reply, yes

[indigo gulch]

This is honestly the best and only way to nerf cera without gutting it

[indigo gulch]

Aaaah gotcha

[woeful latch]

because it’s not the same thing

teno has more hp because it’s bigger, cera has 50% bleed resistance because?

[woven bane]

because that’s it’s thing

[woven bane]

alright then, why is teno so big

[woeful latch]

it’s not

it’s not its thing, its thing is being body bully

[indigo gulch]

One day…..you’ll use the right its😭

[woeful latch]

why should it have the buff without the body?

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/he-has-a-point-gif-21949559

[woven bane]

that’s another aspect of it. that’s like asking why does herrera have good fall dmg resistance

[woeful latch]

no, it’s not the same thing

it’s actually not

[woven bane]

it is. both are resistant to something🤷‍♂️

[indigo gulch]

No it’s not. Because the fall damage resistance is to make the herra mechanic work, 50% bleed resistance is not to make the body buff work

[woven bane]

by your logic nothing in this game should have bleed resistance simply because of the question “why”

[woeful latch]

like if being a body bully, a scavenger is ceras thing, why should it have 50% bleed resistance without the body? why should it make everything vomit in 1-2 bites? why it’s charge bite is so offensive?

[boreal briar]

@dense elm that's planned. I'm thinking it will be like the nest codes but used for when you all spawn

[woven bane]

good argument

[golden horizon]

@midnight heath it only gets so dark 2 times pr night, it's not so dark all night

[woven bane]

if teno is a brawler designed to stand it’s ground against threats why is it so evasive? why can it jump, why is it so fast in the water

[midnight heath]

For galli it stayed the same amount of dark until 5, it was very much dark the entire time for me.

[silent brook]

Genuinely how you die as Maia lol

[woeful latch]

example of good balance is teno, it’s good in defense, it can’t really hurt while chasing you, all the attacks are behind its back.

[silent brook]

I have no fighting experience and could hold my ground as Maia in 1v1 against anybody

[woven bane]

if the devs want cera to be designed a way why ask that question lol

[midnight heath]

Again I don't mind night being dark, I just want to be able to know if I'm about to break my ankles or not.

[woeful latch]

teno is “i will try to run away from you, but if you chase me i will kick you in the face”

[woven bane]

you haven’t explained why it should be so evasive when it contradicts what it’s supposed to be

[midnight heath]

Sitting in a bush for nearly 10 minutes isn't exactly fun, no one is gaining anything from bush camping for the night.

[golden horizon]

If you just wait out the dark part of the night you should be fine, especially for herbis that can just graze

[woeful latch]

cera is more like.. “im scavenger, but i do 340 damage with my charge bite, im body bully but i will have my 50% bleed resistance permanently, i will hunt you but if you try to fight back you will vomit million times”

[midnight heath]

I was in the jungle and could not graze, I did nearly starve because of that.

[woven bane]

cera is pretty slow, only thing it can hunt is dibbles and that requires a whole group

[golden horizon]

I think that's just a skillissue thing

[midnight heath]

I have no control over where I spawn so I don't know how that's a "skill issue"

[golden horizon]

Not preparing for night is a big mistake

[midnight heath]

I spawned in the jungle at night?

I can't prepare for that sort of thing

[golden horizon]

U spawn with full stomach

[midnight heath]

And it drains the faster you grow and galli isn't exactly a slow grower

There's a reason it's recommended quite often for new players

[golden horizon]

Idk man, imo herbi gameplay is the easiest, you just go to sanct or pz as the first thing and then just afk grow on mushrooms or plants

[indigo gulch]

The start? Yes. Keeping diets is a lot harder for herbivores tho

[golden horizon]

@vivid mason I'm surprised that person didn't go into the controlls, that's the first thing I would do in a new game

[vivid mason]

Real

[golden horizon]

@raven sky Much better than having the ability to facetank dibbles and running down ceras

It's a fast herbi, not everything is meant to demolish anything on sight. They also didn't touch it's damage, so a good maia player can easily manage around the nerfs

[raven sky]

No, it's not. Going from one extreme to the other isn't ok.

[golden horizon]

How is running away from a bad situation an extreme ?

The most important part is to survive, and that's why it 46.9 km/hr fast

Dibbles arent that fast, and therefor it needs to be able to fight

[raven sky]

When that bad situation is caused by something so much smaller than you it's a problem.

[golden horizon]

Can u give me an example

It can still kill ceras with 3 stomps and 2 shot raptors and dilos

[raven sky]

A cera can easy kill a maia

[golden horizon]

Its a skillissue thing, cause a maia can easily kill a cera, you just stun it with shove, and then stomp it

I played maia the other day with 3 other maias and we went around killing every cera and dibble we saw

[raven sky]

A good cera can easily dodge a maia as it turns like a cargo ship

[golden horizon]

isnt it nice, that if you can't fight something, you can just run away?

Before the nerfs cera couldnt even exist

[raven sky]

As I said, maia should not run away from something a third of its size. If it was an allo or something at least a bit over 2 tons, sure.

[golden horizon]

But then they would have to nerf its speed, which will make the dibble useless

Because then you would just have a dibble 2.0

[raven sky]

What? Maia is nothing like dibble

[golden horizon]

That's what you want if you make it stronger in combat, you also have to make it slower to balance it out

Which at that point it's just another dibble

Maia is not a fighter like dibble

[junior nymph]

tbh maia is just FAT galli

[golden horizon]

facts

[raven sky]

Teno is also good at combat and it did just fine when dibble got added

[woven bane]

teno is pretty generic hence no one plays it

[raven sky]

That not true in my experience

[golden horizon]

Teno is also designed to be a defensive dino and has almost the same speed as cera

[woven bane]

haven’t seen a teno in ages me personally

[golden horizon]

I always come across them on Petits

I see more tenos than maias

[raven sky]

I fought one just the other day as a carno

[woven bane]

ye because that server has a system that prevents over population. some people are forced to pick it

[woeful latch]

if only speed could fix everything, sometimes you need to stay at one place, maybe because it’s a migration, you might be nesting nearby.

so when you’re forced to fight a cera it would be nice for a fight to not be that frustrating.

but realistically the way cera needs to be balanced is it should never challenge anything it’s size or above without the body nearby.

that’s why 50% bleed resistance is insane, same as 1-2 bites to make other dinos vomit.

[woven bane]

it’s size? like teno you mean

that’s very silly. making cera weaker than others without a corpse

[woeful latch]

like anything, there’s other dinos in the roster

[woeful latch]

it’s not?

[woven bane]

there isn’t besides the small game hunter carno that’s around it’s size

[woeful latch]

it’s not even “weaker” it’s just removing its unnecessary 50% bleed resistance while it’s not even body buffed

[woven bane]

patrol zones exists btw

[raven sky]

And when dibble got added and nobody called it just another teno

[woeful latch]

guess what? cera is a scavenger, at least it’s what it suppose to be

it should be strong with the body buff, but it should never have any buffs without it

[woven bane]

scavanger dosent mean weak, and it literally is. it’s hunger drain and need for bile gives it an incentive to do so

[woeful latch]

wdym cera is weak?

[woven bane]

bleed resistance isn’t a buff. some dinos have different levels of tolerance to things. like dryo having good fall dmg resistance

[woeful latch]

it literally takes an hour to drain its hunger bar

[woven bane]

“cera shouldn’t be able to change stuff around it’s size” that makes it weak

[woven bane]

less

[woeful latch]

dryo and cera is not the same thing. and 50% bleed resistance is a combat buff, fall damage is not

[woeful latch]

but in reality it does

[woven bane]

and they need more food to sustain themselves despite their size

[woeful latch]

do you know exact number?

[woven bane]

yea? cera is a brawler i don’t see anything wrong eiyh it

[woven bane]

40 or smt

[woeful latch]

cera can eat anything, literally

[woven bane]

they still need a ridiculous amount to sustain themselves

[woeful latch]

brawler doesn’t mean it should have that bleed resistance

and if it’s a brawler, why should it be a scavenger?

like if we make it brawler let’s actually just remove the body buff, it’s scavenger abilities and stuff and make it actually a brawler

[woven bane]

brawler as in can defend itself, why does teno eat grass and can brawl?

[woeful latch]

but why it has all the scavenger buffs and more and it’s also a brawler?

[woeful latch]

it’s not the same thing.

[woven bane]

how else is it gonna get food. brawling dosent mean hunting if you mean it that way

[woeful latch]

yet to hear a reason why cera should have permanent 50% bleed res

other than “it should because it should”

[woven bane]

yet to hear a reason as to why teno should be able to jump and swim fast

[azure field]

Dilo mecha its too op, need a nerf, the only dino always kill me its a dilo, if you want to see just full dilo on your server keep it like that

[woven bane]

it should because thats its thing🤷‍♂️ teno has good bleed dmg, offensive buff, cera has good bleed resistance, defensive combat buff

[woeful latch]

because of its tail? because it looks like it’s something that can swim fast, because the best thing herbivore can do is not fight at all. it needs to swim fast to escape the predators.

tho why cera is swimming with the same speed?

[woeful latch]

it can only deal significant bleed with its kicks, so ONLY when something is behind it

[woven bane]

fair enough. cera has thick skin and osteoderms. it looks like it’s not as susceptible to bleed as other things. same logic

[quartz meteor]

Honestly… everything in this game is over powered

Even the elite fish

[woven bane]

A and D keys exist you can just spin around and kick stuff

[woeful latch]

that doesn’t matter, kick is purely defensive, can’t really run backwards and kick stuff

[woven bane]

fair but you get what i meant. teno is just an example. playables have different combat buffs some defensive and some offensive

[woeful latch]

idk it doesn’t look like it’s skin is that tick and even if it is 50% is just too much, i’ve never seen ceras bleeding out, even stego will probably kill it before it could bleed it out

[desert arch]

A sub stego can bleed a cera out with 1 power swing

Sub stego as in ~2T size

[woeful latch]

did you test that?

[desert arch]

Yep

[woven bane]

i’ve been bled out by tenos

[desert arch]

Swing at it once, then just run behind it

[woeful latch]

with how many kicks?

[woven bane]

4

[woeful latch]

headshots?

[desert arch]

As long as your original swing is at least a bodyshot and gets the cera below 50% hp you can bleed it out

[woven bane]

locational bleed isn’t a thing. dosent matter if it’s a body or headshot

[woeful latch]

i think it is tho, like if you headshot it will deal a lot more bleed

[woven bane]

me when my resistant brawler is resistant:

[woeful latch]

at least that’s what wiki says

[desert arch]

The lower your hp, stam, food, water is, the longer/harder youll bleed

[woven bane]

ye headshot dosent affect it

[woeful latch]

really?

that’s silly

[woven bane]

cera just needs minor tweaks, nothing crazy

[woeful latch]

#isle-discussion message they might change stuff tho

they could actually make cera purely a scavenger how it supposed to be when they introduce the allo

but it’s just me guessing since kissen said “permanent place”

which probably means how it was in concept arts

[woven bane]

cera was never supposed to be purely a scavenger. its advertised as hunting a sub croc in a trailer and a magy in CA

[woeful latch]

yeah maybe “purely a scavenger” is not the right words, i didn’t mean it won’t be able to hunt

mostly scavenger, i guess, that sounds more fair

[woven bane]

ye,

• bile should run out overtime (takes an hour at least though to give them an incentive to scavange more)
• bring back the lunge on ceras charged bite to not make it so free
• have it’s charged bite dmg take longer to build up.

only changes cera needs imo

[woeful latch]

what was lunge like?

i think i started to play when it was changed

[woven bane]

gonna get you a clip of it rq

[golden horizon]

Game would be so boring and unbalanced if bigger dinos always win

[woeful latch]

tyty

[woeful latch]

yes, but will never be the case

[golden horizon]

3 good raptors should be able to kill maia

[woeful latch]

they can

[wintry cipher]

....they absolutely can? Ive done that lol

[golden horizon]

I hope not, cause then there would be no reason people would play smaller dinos

[woven bane]

it used to have an animation lock on it

[desert arch]

What was that galli doing 😭

[woven bane]

getting ambushed by a cerato is crazy work😭

[woeful latch]

oh, doesnt look as bad as i thought

[wintry cipher]

Hell two of us were able to kill one because it water camped and we could sit and regen stam while it could have just ran away the whole time. Player skill does a lot in this game.

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message
y’all are lowkey opps fr

[woeful latch]

i thought it will stun cera for some time

looks balanced imo

[woeful latch]

oh sorry, i didn’t see it before, i downvoted it too now, don’t worry ^^

[desert arch]

If it has a short growth time it will starve super fast while growing

So it would be bad for the allo player as well lol

[golden horizon]

Doesnt surprise me, i see so many people die because they didnt pay attention 😭

[barren zephyr]

Not a short one but the same as Legacy, some dude was talking about that it should be like 6 hours to adult

[woven bane]

here’s a better video of it

[desert arch]

How long was it in legacy?

[woeful latch]

allo?

[barren zephyr]

Couldn’t of been more then 5 hours

[woeful latch]

like 4 hours

[barren zephyr]

Don’t remember the exact number

[woeful latch]

even more probably

[desert arch]

And btw dibble and maia both take around 3 hours to grow respectively, so allo will probably be around that as well

Depending on how good of a diet you can get obviously

[woeful latch]

hm idk, it looks like you can stun a cera even if it hits you successfully

[woven bane]

made it worse against bigger stuff. needs to be brought back to make a drawback

[woeful latch]

like just kick it

[golden horizon]

Will cera be able to kill allo like in legacy ?

[woven bane]

yep tenos used to have an easier time against ceras when it had that

[icy lion]

Depending on player skill probably, but it should be very rare

Allo will be double its size, minimum

[barren zephyr]

Amazing thank the Lord

[woeful latch]

i think it’s too much, it’s pachy situation, when even if it hits you you can hit it back since it stuns itself, why would you want that?👀 like even i don’t want that

[woven bane]

prob on a corpse, anywhere else not possible

[golden horizon]

Ah okay, then allo will probably also be slower

[woven bane]

it wasn’t that bad, you just had to be more careful when using the charged bite. it’s braindead rn

[fickle trout]

W in the chat

[woeful latch]

what do you expect allos size to be?

i think it should be like 2400-2800kg

[barren zephyr]

Thank you

[woeful latch]

okay, fair enough i guess

[icy lion]

My guess is between 2.8 and 3ish but who knows!

[fickle trout]

Nice that itll be heavy

[woeful latch]

👀

[barren zephyr]

Glorious

[golden horizon]

I hope they dont make allo too overpowered

[woven bane]

could definitely use some improvements but bringing it back would be a step in the right direction imo

[woeful latch]

probably ^^

[icy lion]

And before anyone tries to quote me on that I am straight up guessing. My guesses are just as credible as any other random person's lol

[manic dragon]

anyone notice that after the server has been up for awhile, the AI animals are WAY out on the perimeter locations?

[icy lion]

Yea they have issues with their pathing and spawning that the devs are looking into, lots of them end up in literal inaccessible locations

[golden horizon]

Whaa so you're telling me this is not a secret dondi account? 😱

[icy lion]

I think I would've noticed him using it by now 🤔

[golden horizon]

Arent they out of the office on holiday?

[icy lion]

Yea they're on their winter break now, they'll probably be back some time in January (mid-late is my guess, they usually take a month)

[fickle trout]

Dang

[barren zephyr]

So no allo till February

[golden horizon]

That makes sense, i do hope they take their time and use it to recharge. I cant imagine how stressfull it most be to be part of a small indie company in charge of such an ambitious project

[icy lion]

Rex and trike are on track to release first

[barren zephyr]

What the freak

[golden horizon]

Yeah I did hear that they were working getting the rex ready first

If they have to release both at the same time, I hope it will be before june

[dark sphinx]

@quartz meteor I understand the pain, it was a bad call to nerf the schooling fish that much

[manic dragon]

what dino has the best night vision / worst / is there a resource that has all this information?

[fickle trout]

Dilo is best, im not too sure about worst but its probably a herbi

[vivid mason]

Best is dilo, troodon and dryo

[dark sphinx]

Maia seem pretty bad

[golden horizon]

Doqi has a video comparing every dinos nightvision except maia

[golden horizon]

And stego has the worst

[manic dragon]

thank you Rain - what about ability to smell/see the red blood stains via Q'ing?

[icy lion]

Pretty sure that's always the same range

Cera has a larger scent radius and that probably includes blood, though

[golden horizon]

He makes all kinds of stats videos, but the smelling blood ability is universal i think

I know cera has the best smell of being able to smell food from 1500 m range

[wintry cipher]

Would be cool if omni had the best scent for blood while cera had the best scent for bodies

[manic dragon]

and just to be clear - the red graphic that depicts the smelling of blood can be blocked by fooliage, ect?

[wintry cipher]

I think so. Its hard to spot them as a juvie in the jungle chasing a bleeding ai

[golden horizon]

If the fooliage is tall enough, so if youre bleeding its best to run through thick fooliage to shake off your perpetrators

[woven bane]

and herrera

• omni

[woeful latch]

xdd

dryo is op!

[vivid mason]

Nah, Herrera and Omni have slightly worse nvs

Dryo, dilo and troodon hold champion

[manic dragon]

do you heal faster if resting?

[icy lion]

yup

[boreal briar]

@lament fjord Unstuck is for when you get stuck in a hole or something, or in a tree. It's not for food glitches.

[manic dragon]

is there a resource that provides growth times in relation to nutrients/diet?

[boreal briar]

Not sure what you mean. The higher diets you have, the faster your growth. Nothing else will help you grow faster.

You can eat Gastroliths (rocks/pebbles) to help you drain hunger faster, making more room for nutrients.

[lament fjord]

Oh im sorry the unstuck function is only for one instance of being stuck, sounds like a dev issue.

[woven bane]

nocturnal rats

[green niche]

if you need to log because of food being stuck in your mouth, why dont you just move to a safer area before logging?

[icy lion]

@spark carbon The pteros are bugged and not meant to spawn instantly every single time

[boreal briar]

🙄 They made it to help with being stuck in holes, it not their fault you have endless expectations from an EA game's Beta branch

[manic dragon]

what does eyes inthe patrol zone icon mean?

[wintry cipher]

That just means your far away. They fill up when you are close

[woeful latch]

/👁️ 👁️\

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @midnight mural the isle ain’t available on mobile devices

[midnight mural]

isle 10

wth i played it today wth

[woven bane]

isle 10 what. and 4 thousand ping isn’t possible

[midnight mural]

i played isle 9 on back then on tablet but i switch to phone an isle 10 lags hard

[midnight mural]

it is i check my ping

[icy lion]

Enough trolling, please

[midnight mural]

i even check the internet of my phone bruh im not trolling

[woven bane]

send a screenshot

[midnight mural]

bro i have to play the game again okay then

brb let me go play an show it

[woven bane]

alright

[manic dragon]

when you see this - will there for sure be tracks to pick up?

[woeful latch]

lmao

[midnight mural]

thanks for reducing it but it still wont help

[icy lion]

This server is not for the roblox game. Best of luck finding the discord you're looking for

[midnight mural]

wait what

nah pass the discord sever bruh

[icy lion]

How would I have it? I don't play roblox. Try searching online

[midnight mural]

bet

[woeful latch]

is this like the isle roblox copy?

[midnight mural]

huh??

[icy lion]

No it's just a roblox game called Isle I think. People come here thinking this is for the roblox game

Usually they figure it out once they see people talking about dinosaurs

[woeful latch]

omg😭😭😭

[midnight mural]

yeah but i wanna be a dinosaur too

[icy lion]

You can find this game on Steam, I believe it's on sale right now

[barren zephyr]

Lowkey good purchase

But it would be even better if Allo was added 🙏

[woven bane]

get this game so you can play the awesome ceratosaurus!

[woeful latch]

i will kill you!!!

they should play my baby boy teno

[boreal briar]

Yes. That radial thing means that there are footprints in that direction.

If it isn't there, they haven't made new prints yet. They could sitting be nearby, or your are very close on their tail.

[boreal briar]

Can't wait for Allo. It's always fun getting a new carnivore 😄
Maia is neat, but I usually play solo and Herbis don't feel really suited to that.

[barren zephyr]

So real

[icy lion]

@vestal locust The pteros are bugged and not meant to spawn instantly every single time

[vestal locust]

Yea idk I used to play HT, then tried Ptera over there and you’ll just starve to death bc those birds will take the fish from your mouth and they fly at the speed of light. That’s why I’ve been playing evrima- no ftl broken birds- however with this recent update… the ftl savage birds are back, therefore it’s no longer fun playing Ptera

It seems they had it figured out before, now’s it’s just broken

[woven bane]

[azure field]

Just delete the swamp, haven't see a fish and a dino ( only a corpse cause of starvation ) in like 40 min

[viscid pier]

the jungles just as bad... WORSE even since SOMETIMES fish adn frogs spawn in the swamp...and theres a slight chance you might run into anotehr baby

[vestal locust]

How is anybody supposed to play when all the queues are 40+? This is such a joke lol

[woeful latch]

❌

[worthy plover]

I think the ai issue is affecting the fish as well, which it doesn't usually do. I went through almost the entirety of south plains looking for schooling fish and there wasn't a single one, almost starved to death because of it.

[wraith cedar]

Happy new year girls and gals

[icy lion]

@lusty seal The devs are working on a party-spawn system

[lusty seal]

yay!!

[rain hemlock]

@nova river there is 100% skill in this game

[nova river]

if you take a long break you lose all that...

[rain hemlock]

what? You said there is no difference between a new and experienced player. I'm telling you there definitely is

[nova river]

I like to play games that have a reason to keep you playing

(my opinion)

[rain hemlock]

thats another thing

[nova river]

is that vissable somehow?

[icy lion]

If you're looking for long-term goals, you want the Elder system

[nova river]

yea, but what I am saying is that I wont play until it gets added

[icy lion]

Ok

[rain hemlock]

ohh wait i see you meant growth

ok yeah no i agree then

i think beasts of bermuda or something has that kinda system

[nova river]

I want something where you achieve something ''Do stuff for a reason''

[rain hemlock]

you can go beyond 100% grown

[nova river]

couldnt we get an exp thing, where when you drink water or survive till adulthood you get an speciffic amount of exp that allows you to unlock more skins, and maybe more dinosaurs???

[icy lion]

The devs don't want to lock dinos behind any sort of system

[median seal]

They should be working on how to code the servers better so food will spawn. I've died so many times to starvation it's ridiculous.

[nova river]

idk, anything with a goal that lasts throughout your whole game

[icy lion]

Though they have discussed potentially unlocking cosmetics through elders, though it hasn't been brought up in a while

[icy lion]

They are working on fixing and improving the ai's spawning, pathing, and behavior

[nova river]

I dont understand why no one who plays this game wants a reason or a goal. In my opion its a waste of time. Like what do you achive from spending 8 hours growing a dino and die from a hacker???

[icy lion]

The goal is the eventual elder system. I'd imagine a lot of people don't want anything like a currency or experience system

[nova river]

Just a question, how would a experience system affect the game?

[icy lion]

You tell me, what would your experience system do?

[nova river]

just a number that shows how much you have playied

[icy lion]

And why would that be important or wanted in a survival game?

[nova river]

because otherwise hours spent in game feel wasted without growing your number or something that lasts for ever

[icy lion]

Maybe to you, they don't feel wasted to me

[nova river]

I still dont really understand how the elder thing works, but it doesnt seem to affect the future of your game

[icy lion]

It permanently increases the strength of some mutations, though we don't know the exact specifics of it

Basically, if you live well, you'll become a peak elder. Eventually, your strength will fade and you become a frail elder, which is weaker than a normal adult. If you die peacefuly, you get a reward

If you don't live well, you skip the strong phase and instead start regressing straight away, with no reward

[nova river]

when could I expect this to come

[icy lion]

Whenever it's finished, it's currently in development

[nova river]

good to hear.

[tardy talon]

look at hours playes on steam 💀

they dont need level

[nova river]

I saw... I only spend 53 hours..

[nova river]

but thats not a flex...

quite the opposite Id say

[tardy talon]

???

[nova river]

I meant your experience

level

idk

you could as well just afk in the loading screen

[tardy talon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stupid-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-gif-12221001666588210206

[cinder haven]

What's the point? We determine the level by looking at how many hours you played in evolution. ❓

[nova river]

look at my last message in this server⏫

[cinder haven]

Let me explain the elder event briefly, you grew up, you lived a very good life, you had children and finally you become an experienced and experienced godsaur, you will be stronger in the adult religion, everyone will respect you + I also heard something about dying of old age, but I don't know if it will come (not everyone will be an elder, by the way)

[nova river]

there id no way to escape those hackers, or clipping through the floor... and there are also people who dont have the good sence and will absolutley kill you no mather what. I want something permanent you gain through each game session

[cinder haven]

Technically, only those who cheat on eu servers and will eventually be banned, we have f2 registration, we can get ib flan by registering (of course there is video + hunting proof, but I'm too lazy to throw it anymore) 2, those cheaters have been around for a very long time and they were strong at the time, but it was not impossible to kill them. (of course, it is somewhat impossible to defeat them now, after all, they can be partially warmed up)

Play on unofficial servers, no cheating there

[nova river]

dont you feel absolutley dead inside when you spend 8 hours growing a creature to max and die, and you have to restart this process??? I personaly dont have time for that... And Id accept death if I at least get some permanent reward (doesnt have to be a buff or anything) I like to have a reason to do stuff without wasting time, I like the game but I dont have time to do stuff that dont affect my game in any good way.

(Please dont take anything personally, ussualy people get mad, Im just trying to show my point because currently I dont enjoy the game as much due to my limmited time)

[cinder haven]

hmmmm the same problem my friend is experiencing, the animal is getting tired of growing, if you don't have enough time, there are some servers that I can advise you (you can become a norden admins and only throw bvb, or you can play on a different server there for a little faster growth, or you can play there, or just play cera utah dilo by staying away from stego and denio, they are fast)

[cinder haven]

Also, an animal does not grow for 8 hours, we do not have such a religion, focus on doing a full diet to grow and I advise you not to stop dieting.

you get used to dying.

I may have died 1000+ times or less, I don't know.

[tardy talon]

bro if you dont like dying dont play the isle

[nova river]

I get upset when I realize time is getting wasted

[cinder haven]

or you can play with a lot of care and die less.

[nova river]

I dont mind dying as long as I get something in return

like a small achivement or idk

[hollow mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929072541966958713/1319695881565638687/ALLOSAURUS_by_saranova.gif

[cinder haven]

unfortunately, I guess there will not be such an option, something like an island dying simulator, I advise you to play nordende, you can play fast growth sw

[cinder haven]

also offical sw is far away there our old enemies are waiting for us XD

[nova river]

I dont want to fast grow, I want my sesions to matter

[cinder haven]

I guess that's not the case for this game. The maximum achievement in the game can be how many offspring you give birth to or how many hours you waste.

[nova river]

and so thats how this started, I wrote a comment in #general-feedback to how the game could get improved so even people with limmited time could enjoy it (because you can come back a year later with the same stats as the time you left without loosing them) and was somewhat shocked to see that people like wasting time

[cinder haven]

👍🏻

[eager socket]

@pliant elm omni doesn’t need more bleed it just needs something to allow for group pouncing to be more viable. If you want to bleed right click when pounced left for damage. Omni doesn’t amazing bleed and if you’re smart and don’t waste stamina on excessively long mounts you can take even a stego with a small group.

[icy lion]

@pine dock Having 33% of each nutrient is a perfect diet. Filling multiple to 100% is meant to be difficult and require gastroliths

[pine dock]

oooooooooh

[fiery kayak]

i hope we get more biomes c; im excited thinking about it

[limber hull]

id like more biomes, but a tundra or a desert? idk man

especially not the tundra

[fickle trout]

Nah a desert would be really cool, as well as more flat ground areas like fields

[fiery kayak]

Why not!! It sounds exciting, or even just seasons! Besides, if they do add biomes (though I doubt they’ll listen to us), you can always avoid them if you don’t like them ^_^

But seriously, what’s wrong with adding a desert or tundra? I know the game has its issues, like starving and all that, but those biomes could actually make survival more interesting. plus i think sandstorms would be pretty frickin cool 0_0.

Same with the tundra and snowstorms. both biomes i feel like would add more variety to the map, give us new THINGS to do, new places to explore., and would be a change in scenery fr cause everything looks the same (besides the swamp but i rarely see anyone there either 😭

I get that the game has bugs and the survival issues are annoying, but adding new biomes would definitely be a sort of change in how we currently survive in the game now if that makes sense. plus with unreal engine the physics would be so beautiful

tho im curi, if not a desert or tundra wht biomes would u wanna see

[fiery kayak]

HAHAHA NO FR THO WHT A MOOD

[fickle trout]

Along with different biomes, it would be ideal that only certain kinds of ai would spawn in them, and of course new ai species would have to be added

[fiery kayak]

YESS

it sounds to interesting i want it so baddd

maybe some dinosaur playables would benefit more from certain biomes

[fiery kayak]

i iwsh i could react with emojis to this, CAUSE yes

[limber hull]

its a tropical island. A tundra would make absolutely zero sense (not to mention the fact that a tundra would also be basically inhospitable for a good portion of the roster, especially the literal reptiles. There's really no graceful way to slap a tundra or desert down and have it look good or make sense, it'd just be jarring

redwoods one could argue is the closest you can get to a "temperate" environment that doesn't look utterly off, because at least it isn't suddenly exceptionally dry or cold after primarily tropical biomes.

[fickle trout]

True about the tundra, but i feel like maybe instead of a literal desert maybe a dry savanna type biome with small water sources since it could blend into the rest of the jungle map

[limber hull]

also there's not much of anything to do with a desert or tundra. Herbivores certainly wouldn't want to go to either, as they literally have no cover from predators and are biomes characterised by scarcity. The reptiles like megalania and deinosuchus would make no sense anywhere near a freezing biome, and you'd never see either aquatics nor arboreals in the desert.

They feel like biomes built to be immediately dead space, because these climates are characteristically hostile, and require hyper-specialised animals to even survive there, let alone thrive

[limber hull]

i could get behind a more savannah-type environment. That's a better happy medium, even if it's still slightly jarring

we do have confirmation of new biomes on the horizon however. I believe both floodplains and mangroves have been confirmed

[fickle trout]

Mangroves are gonna be nice

If theyre tall then it would be a good place for herras to grow

[daring osprey]

Huh!? I think that would be like nice. Like I mean whether or not herbivores would go there , in all honesty it’s not like the game is meant or going to be 100% realistic, It’s fictional anyway

Plus I’m mostly bored in the same biomes , no matter what biome they add it’s just a meadow with some rivers slapped in it,textured rocks, and colored grass, nothing new.

[limber hull]

but if herbivores don't go there, then it defeats the entire point of its addition. To quote "The map is so big, but a lot of it feels empty and unused, which kinda makes it pointless"

If there's no herbis, then there's no carnis

[daring osprey]

They can Revamp the map and take out useless biomes :) .plus since it’s not real dinosaurs, the players behind the screen might be interested in going to said biomes.

And Yknow, devs could figure out some benefits to it

[limber hull]

Wouldn't the desert and tundra be said useless biomes?

[daring osprey]

I mean sure but it could a new sight maybe

And they could add benefits as said :)

[limber hull]

Both of them would be far too difficult to engage with for most regular players to want to

What benefits? Said biomes are exceptionally harsh, it requires decades of evolution to adapt to them to even survive there, the entire point is that they are hostile and not very convinient to live in

[daring osprey]

I don’t think so, it would just be like the same map, different biome

Certain ai could still spawn in

Foraging for frozen plants etc..

Plus again the game isn’t 100% realistic anyway

I think the devs could make it work, whatever they think in all honesty

[icy lion]

Just make them different maps

[limber hull]

Sure, it's not 100% realistic, but it actively goes for immersion wherever possible. A desert/tundra being a bustle of life doesn't sound immersive

[icy lion]

There's no reason to include them on Gateway but I'd still like to see them

Could even make a dome-centric map like that one sick map from Evolve

[daring osprey]

That would be nice :)

Plus I think different biomes would help ridden of the dread for seasons

And save some probably more difficult coding

[alpine oasis]

#general-feedback message
@mental mountain this is what they do..

[mental mountain]

Nope

Go play them rq

They jog backward

They SHOULD keep going forward but turn their neck to see whats behind them

[alpine oasis]

i am SO SURE in the few patches before maia HT they for real looked over their shoulders, THEY EVEN HAD A LOCK 90DEGREE

means u can look left/right notbackwards, because its literally moving head only!

[mental mountain]

I'll record it rn

[alpine oasis]

im telling you, they USED to have it, idk about now, its wierd

[mental mountain]

They never did

Recording it now

@alpine oasis

[alpine oasis]

wait now i remember, ur right. but..
IM SO SURE I REMEMBER AN OVER SHOULDER LOOK TOO!!

[mental mountain]

Rust has it

[alpine oasis]

ive never played any of those games

[junior nymph]

@limber hull did you like my suggestion?

[latent olive]

the closest thing to a desert i would enjoy would be the australian northern territory landscape

just the right amount of bushland, and red dirt

[limber hull]

true

[woeful latch]

@woven bane #general-feedback message
i love your feedback, i agree with everything except the agility, i think allo having tenos agility is too much

i think giving allo poor agility would be better

[woven bane]

i don’t think it’s too much. everything shouldn’t be turning like a bus imo.
movements was gonna be a big improvement from legacy, don’t want allo to feel like POT dinos

[woven bane]

bruh. it’s a big game hunter agility is needed

[woeful latch]

yeah, i agree, it’s just both teno and cera having like super good agility, i guess it’s okay for something that size, but allo is a lot bigger, i would expect it turn at least slightly slower, just because it would look unrealistic if it turns that fast

[woven bane]

if allo is gonna have poor turn radius i can’t begin to imagine stuff like rex

[woeful latch]

true

[woven bane]

eh it’s not that much bigger than a cera. it having good agility would work

[woeful latch]

#balance-feedback message check this out lmao

[woeful latch]

hopefully🥹

[woven bane]

😭

[indigo gulch]

Dying to a cera as deino is….something

[eager socket]

@vivid mason the hitboxs for kicks hit further foward that backwards lol

[boreal vessel]

Its just funny cause a ceratosaurus could grow up to 13' tall at the head, so in this image that appears to be either a really short dino/human or a 10' tall human

[junior nymph]

@boreal vessel we literally just got maia plus devs on vacation

[boreal vessel]

Man yall cant read!

I said NEW YEAR, NEW DINO lol. Not last years new Dino.

[junior nymph]

yeah but vacation

[boreal vessel]

I know lol I know. I ❤️ the devs

[junior nymph]

I also love decks

[boreal vessel]

What decks??

[junior nymph]

your decks 🙂

[boreal vessel]

I dont have any decks tho ;/

Hope we get a Carnivore to balance the gateway herbi fest soon. 😄

[limber hull]

my deck has murlocs in it

[vale cape]

How do i find someone i was in a group with to add them but i am not with them

[limber hull]

i love murlocs

[boreal vessel]

Ask in the NA discord or EU

[limber hull]

i want them to add triceratopsies

[vale cape]

ty

[boreal vessel]

Youre welcome G

[boreal vessel]

Why do you want more herbis?

[limber hull]

herbinosaur

[boreal vessel]

herbosaurus?

[boreal vessel]

Herborannasaurus Rex?

Yeah yeah add the taco, ava and tri before any apex

[dark sphinx]

I don't undersrand, i'm on land close to a Cliff against two fg Cera beside a corpse and i'm losing ! I'm supossed to be an apex

[indigo gulch]

x) That's like ''I have the best airplane fighter, how am I losing to basic anti-air guns?"'

[dark sphinx]

Don't be here

[indigo gulch]

must have been very desperate for food. Cant blame them for that tbh, hard to find anything to eat as deino most of the time :/

[cinder haven]

the only thing that can kill allo 1v1 is carno, but that's a lie now, I wonder what the game will be like when that comes.

[dark sphinx]

Bad time to play Deino unless you wanna starve, i prefer to log out till they do something acceptable with the schooling/elite fish

[mint steeple]

yeah i found a goat in the water before i found a school of fish

[dark sphinx]

We can't even eat that it's giving almost nothing for us (since when croc don't eat any land creature)