general-feedback-discussion

[hybrid viper]

I agree with that

[dawn hound]

hopefully people wont think anything unintended about my drawing..

[mystic aurora]

when ai fix small dino need them like petra etc

like pot 😛

[twilit snow]

😂

Poor guy

[woeful latch]

@woven bane what changes would you make to make carno better?

[limber hull]

thats not what we do here

we just say thing bad and move on

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭

[woeful latch]

after intense 1v1ing with actually good carno i can say that it’s not underperforming, in fact it has a lot of potential.

the only thing i would change is its base speed, i would change it to 52, 49 is just too close to the dilos speed

[woven bane]

i’ve already suggested changes to it. all i want is for the devs to look into carno

you must not have played carno recently if you think it’s not underperforming

[spiral stump]

@queen locust the new update makes the turn more smooth wdym

[junior nymph]

@bold oasis wdym

[bold oasis]

We have speeds for each Dino on land but not how fast they are in the water

[junior nymph]

sick

[woeful latch]

the island

[woven bane]

what did u fight them as

[woeful latch]

teno, most of the times, there was a guy on norden who almost killed me, we fought 3 or 4 times and they were really good.

i might say it was a close fight, they were really close to winning every time.

ofc 90% of the carnos are dying in first minute, but there’s always a guy that just on another level

[woven bane]

teno stomps on carno it’s not close at all

[woeful latch]

that made me think about how much potential carno actually has if it can make a teno main sweat

[woven bane]

btw who was it? i might know him

[woeful latch]

hmm can’t remember the username sadly

[woven bane]

i’ve fought some good carnos on norden and it’s just sad. haven’t had much trouble against them

[woeful latch]

same ahah, but that guy was actually on another level, i’ll let you know if i find him again

i know the first letter in his username was “h” ahah

that’s all i remember

[woven bane]

ye i know him

[bold oasis]

@gleaming silo Mud isn’t very common and if you have it available to help you give an advantage I think that’s a good option and should be around.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

omni, dilo, galli, juvie/sub adults, herrera

[pale prairie]

it's so true

[wooden agate]

@summer olive i wouldnt exactly say theres a lack of small game for carno considering 2 of the most popular playables fall directly into the small game carno should be hunting

[gleaming silo]

Yes but dont you think thats a little annoying when your prey, for example, goes into mud without anything happening? E.g: attacks cost more stamina.

I think this should be at least implemented if not drowning in mud so it WOULD be an option yet not as effective as fighting on land

[tight iron]

as a teno?

that person you fought must be incredible to even give you any sort of trouble

[woeful latch]

the guy actually made me sweat

[woeful latch]

ikr

actually first time i was scared for my life ahah

[tight iron]

specially considering how teno pretty much counters carno in every regard

but theres always some ppl who just master it

[woeful latch]

yeah

[tight iron]

i know a dude who goes around killing mediocre tenos and bad dibbles as a carno

[woeful latch]

i wanna find them again, that was a good practice

[tight iron]

(afaik) best carno player in this game

[coarse spruce]

Those little thick patches of grass would be amazing for troodons

[summer olive]

And what are those?

[bold oasis]

I see it as any other advantage. One disadvantage of the mud is that prey can’t eat and drink in it, they are slow and they need to stay in the mud to gain the advantage. It’s not op

[wooden agate]

omni and dilo lol

both are considered small game compared to carno

[summer olive]

Yeah funny that both kinda just @ssride carno and carno alone if free food when theres at least 2 omnis/dilos which is VERY often the case. Especially considering theyre both designed to take down prey larger than themselves. So basically theyre hunting carno and not the other way around as you suggest

[radiant nest]

Omnis can be a danger to carno but dilos have been pretty realistic prey when I play carno

Just killed a few yesterday

[summer olive]

Well I dont think so. A friend of mine and I took down a full grown diablo (him adult and me 50% grown)

As dilos*

[radiant nest]

Diablo isn’t carno

[summer olive]

Sure however the venom works the same

[radiant nest]

Diablo is slow

[summer olive]

You dont see or hear sh!t once you get hit by dilo

[radiant nest]

Carno can run and use its slide to dance around and bait attacks

[summer olive]

Has a way besser turnradius

[summer olive]

Maybe but I think we can both agree that its impossible to avoid hits with the insane amount of rubber banding going on rn

[radiant nest]

I’m not saying dilo can’t kill carno but carno can definitely kill dilo

[radiant nest]

I actually haven’t had bad rubberbanding recently, even in populated areas

Fps though is a different story lol

[stone minnow]

@stiff kite What? Christmas music huh?

[stiff kite]

its happening rn again

like omg its so loud

how do i hear others MY EARRS every time it comes i have to change my headphone volume (live reaction)

[stone minnow]

Have you been hitting the spirits a little too hard already?

[stiff kite]

no..?

ingame it has its own music when you play idk maybe you didnt hear it yet

wanna go into vc ill share screen wonce it comes

bro said im not gona answear to this guy this time

[stone minnow]

I turn that off, wym. It's a survival game, I'm not interested in listening to music when listening for rare AI XD

[stiff kite]

i didnt know you can turn it off like its fire time im hearing this (been playing for 3 days so im new)

and its first occurance if im saying it right

[stone minnow]

I haven't had it on in years. Just turn it off.

[summer olive]

My fps dropped since the last update and the ping mostly has spikes that go up to 200 sometimes especially when Im fighting my fps seem to drop to 10fps and the ping shoots up to 100 at least. Thats why I do not enjoy fighting in this game because it mostly isnt based on skill but more like who has the most expensive Equipment to play with. I mean I got an rtx 3080 and the isle still runs with low fps on Medium settings which is crazy inbalanced if you ask me.

[icy lion]

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[summer olive]

It doesnt fix the issue but thanks for trying to help. I already tried that a million times. I also gave the isle access to more ram via steam so it could possibly run faster but it doesnt. Its an issue that has been going on for a good while now and will probably only get better when I invest another thousand dollars into my computer. I cant exacly remember when the issue occured but I think it was around when gateway map was released. And ever since it progressively has gotten worse with every update sadly.

[icy lion]

My bf's rig has a 3080 and has consistently gotten 100+ fps since Gateway. It's not the game I'm sorry to say

[radiant nest]

I have a 3050 and get a pretty stable 50 to 60 fps

[summer olive]

Well its the only game I have that issue with somehow. I dont know what exacly causes the issue but I think that its both game and computer are working together and causing this issue. I mean I got the same issue with ark ascended but ark ascended is a troublemaker itsself for everyone so that isnt really something to compare with.

[summer olive]

Well I really dont know why. Funny thing is that I had a gaming laptop with a 1060 and the isle ran with more fps on that than on the main Computer. Its a lil funny. Ill renew some parts of the computer next year and wipe out everything on the computer and hope that it gets better.

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

I imagine because juvie or adol maias and diablos are very much in range for a carno to eat and it would not be all that great to not get diet from them.

[wintry cipher]

Have you capped your fps or uncapped it? I noticed a huge difference in fps on my old rig when i set the max frames to 80

[drowsy cedar]

I don't get why people dont like my suggestion it literally fixes the issue of hotspots

Like if we replaced migration zones with patrol zones that only spawn randomly and occured in multiple locations at once herbivore players would be spread out which is literally what the devs want

and it is kinda of occuring since the bug that dissabled migration zones occured

[tight iron]

cause hotspots ain't an issue anymore

and because migration zones were a horrible idea

forcing people to go where they don't wnat to go or suffer horrible debuffs was why there were so little herbis

[wintry cipher]

Technically your idea already exists tbh. Herbs if ungrouped see different patrol zones than each other. Theres no real reason to clutter up your scent compass with multiple patrol zones.

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Again: youre only thinking about hunting adults. If you see a baby your going to hunt it and your going to want that diet.

[inland vigil]

I'm not only thinking of adults. Maia gets really big really quickly and it does not make sense for a small game hunter to hunt something it cannot reliably ram
I understand that it's NICE for maia to be on carno's diet, because god forbid carno can eat anything that actually exists, but having such a ridiculous food item on carno's diet without putting it on cerato's is a crime lmao

[quartz meteor]

But why was Dilo removed…? Dilos also come in as babies… so what made Maia any different. Let’s be realistic… dibbles and maias are the size of a fg Carno in about what, 45 minutes to an hour? I tried ramming a baby Maia from out of the sanctuary, and I got stunned… so it does make a difference to have Dilo instead of Maia. Honestly, I don’t understand why Dilo had to be removed at all. Why can’t Carno have both?

Same as Omni. Why was dilo removed? At this point in the games life, every carnivore should have every Dino on its Preffered food to fill in the gap of the non existent ai that is currently happening. They should honestly remove the food from going rotten at this point. With no ai spawning in, with the exception of after restart… and maybe a few on cliffs, all carnivores should not have to worry about whether food is rotten or not until the ai spawning is fixed.

[wintry cipher]

I have no issues with dilo being on carnos diet. It honestly should probably be on its diet and it could very well be a bug. Has anyone killed and eaten a dilo to see if the menu is just wrong? Because maia was not on anythings diet in the HT and yet I got lipids from it when I ate it.

[summer olive]

Yes I tried. Didnt work either. The highest fps the game has is 60 fps for me. But that is rarely the case. Mostly I have to play with a stunning 30 fps

I capped it so 360 fps currently I think.

Cant look at it rn since I aint home for christmas days haha

[wintry cipher]

Having a high fps cap might be doing it. My old computer used to be at 2-6 fps and jumped to 30 when i put the cap to 80

[quartz meteor]

Honestly that is true… I’ll have to try to eat one.

[wintry cipher]

Make sure to test menus to see if its just a big every time because they arent always correct yeah

They also change based on location. You might just be in an area the game doesnt expect dilo to be available as food

[quartz meteor]

Is that so…? I did not know carnivores diets changed…

[wintry cipher]

Ive seen it for herbies so id assume the same might be for carnis if the game is consistent. I could be wrong tho

Id just check if its a bug first

[inland vigil]

Pretty sure only herbivore diet changes with migration/patrols

[summer olive]

According to the most previous Feedback they removed dilo from carnos diet🫠

[summer olive]

Ill try but I dont think it will help cuz I once set it to 60 fps and it was the same..

[quartz meteor]

How do I get a patrol zone to change for a herbivore… my patrol has been in swamps for literally about 2 hours… and I’ve walked to south, highlands, delta, east and then north east… and leaving group as a solo doesn’t seem to work.

I don’t know what I am doing wrong.

Are solo herbivores just doomed to stay in one location for patrol zone unless they group up? I like playing solo but I might have to start grouping if that’s the only way to get a new patrol zone.

Which is kind of lame.

[green niche]

leave group and regroup - even if you are currently the only person in your group, do it

[quartz meteor]

Doesn’t work unfortunately… 😢

[green niche]

territory would be cool - more feasible to have it between herbis atm tho. carni food runs outs too fast for them to waste time maintaining a territory imo
but def if territory features are implemented herbis should have it too, at least

[queen locust]

No, it doesn't. deino's new turn in water is the same as on land

[desert arch]

Deino vs deino was already bad but now its just insufferable

Its genuinely just alt bite spam now

[spiral stump]

its more smooth and realistic

[tight iron]

not smooth and not realistic

sucks in every way shape and form

[spiral stump]

how, an 8 ton animal shoukdnt be able to twitch around like a baby so quick, its a slow moving animal and ppl should slow down with playing it, it still turns and bites fairly quick

it will turn off the idea of killing other crocs thank god

[tight iron]

it being 8 tons doesn't mean it can't turn quickly

[tight iron]

nah ppl will still kos other crocs

[spiral stump]

they should make a mode or a stealth or fight mode, where in fight mode u move around quicker whilst making more water ripples and noise whilst stealth moves around slower but more quiet

[tight iron]

no point tbh

[queen locust]

Its not smooth, and not realistic. have you seen how crocs and aligators move in water irl? this nerf also doesn't change deino canni at all

actually its better to canni crocs now because by the time they turn around you've gotten like 4 bites on them already

[hardy vine]

@vital badge wym?

[vital badge]

I say the truth

[edgy flax]

no

[vital badge]

Yes is truth

[limber hull]

“Don’t listen to herbivore players” lmao

[vital badge]

Some people they have an organization

They give they don’t like suggestions ❌

I say wrong?

[limber hull]

Also the conspiracy theory that they have some kind of secret alliance

[vital badge]

Dude don’t lmao

I just say the truth

[limber hull]

This just in, people press the x when they don’t like a suggestion. Incredible

[vital badge]

You will destroy this game dude

[edgy flax]

not u liking ur own suggesiton

[limber hull]

I’m not a herbivore player

[vital badge]

You don’t like other Dino player suggestions

[limber hull]

I play troodon

[vital badge]

I’m I right?

[edgy flax]

sigma

[vital badge]

Okay not say you okay?

But I say it’s truth

[edgy flax]

no ur not

[vital badge]

An organization controll the suggestion

[limber hull]

Flat earthers also say the earth being flat is truth lol

Bro that’s a literal conspiracy theory lmao

[vital badge]

Hahaha

[edgy flax]

HELP thats funny

[vital badge]

I watching the suggestions so long time

They use ❌ give they don’t like

[limber hull]

So does everyone

[edgy flax]

how do u know its a herbi player

[limber hull]

Literally that’s how the entire channel works

[vital badge]

Mostly about “carno” “Utah”

[vital badge]

Cause herbi suggests always ✅

[limber hull]

Everyone presses x on the suggestions they don’t like, that’s the point

[vital badge]

Just shut up

[limber hull]

Nah

[edgy flax]

😭 HELP

[vital badge]

Dude you are annoying

I just tell people truth

[vital badge]

Okay?

[limber hull]

Bro me too! Twinsies!

[vital badge]

Okay hahah you just say you’re troodon player lol

[limber hull]

I did

[vital badge]

So you good I will not say anything to you

But don’t replay me

Thanks

[limber hull]

Are we literally judging people, not by the content of their character, but the diet of their dino?

Not very MLK of you

[vital badge]

Maybe you can ask your mom

[edgy flax]

u sound very stupid rn

[vital badge]

She will tell you shut up on internet (maybe)

[limber hull]

She doesn’t play The Isle sadly

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message @shrewd sphinx its supposed to be like that.

[vital badge]

Oh crying?

lol

Somebody 😡

[wooden agate]

if you think all herbi players have a discord... how did you find out :/ that's a secret with a password and everything

[limber hull]

I am, and proudly so. My tears will sanctify this blighted world.

[vital badge]

Okay I will tell you

[wooden agate]

you know how people say "soon ™️ "...? don't tell anybody but that's the password...

[vital badge]

Cause I see the herbi suggestion always in ✅

But like, carno ,Utah these Dino always ❌

[wooden agate]

grade A detective skills... i'm impressed

[vital badge]

And I noticed that some people always give these suggestions X

[edgy flax]

😭

[vital badge]

I just tell the truth so easy

I don’t care you believe or not

[limber hull]

So if a herbi player saw “nerf Carno”, they’d hit x because it has the word Carno in it?

[vital badge]

I just give the official a suggestion

[vital badge]

And tell them don’t listen to them

They control suggestions just this

[limber hull]

Your suggestion got deleted btw

[worldly root]

[limber hull]

I thought you’d like to know that the herbi mafia has struck again

[vital badge]

lol

Nice

Gj

You use your discord power btw

Hahahaha

[worldly root]

He is not a moderator.

[vital badge]

To delete my messages?

[worldly root]

He cannot delete your messages, no.

[vital badge]

Great

My messages get deleted

I said they have a discord!

They will give there don’t like suggestions a ❌ !

Wow nice

I love this game but I can’t believe you guys control these

[worldly root]

Control what?

[vital badge]

Suggestion

All

[worldly root]

Devs dont have to accept suggestions with a lot of upvotes.

Oh you mean deleting suggestions.

[vital badge]

lol

I won’t talk anymore

[icy lion]

#general-feedback is for sharing constructive and descriptive suggestions and feedback for the game. Asking the devs to ignore certain players is completely unacceptable conduct

[vital badge]

You happy that’s good

[icy lion]

Plus, given your message history, I'm not convinced that you're not just trolling

[dim herald]

thoughts on this?
#general-feedback message

[hollow mirage]

I agree a lot!

[hardy vine]

@tame jetty since the dilo bit you, it INJECTED VENOM into you, even if it leaves or dies, the venom is still in you, it doesn’t just leave with the dilo, that’s why you still feel the effects, if you get bit IRL by a snake and run, does the venom go away? If you get bit and kill the snake, does the venom die with it?

[barren crater]

why do people want maia removed from carnos diet lol. That thing is an easy kill in packs and you can facetank subs and smaller

if anything, remove dryo and replace it with dilo

or just add dilo

[barren zephyr]

@gleaming silo along as the mud is deep enough for your dino to be fully submerged. Sitting in a small mud pool that your feet touch yhe ground below shouldn't cause you to drown

[dawn trout]

Even if you agree more, it doesn't mean success. Some changes made in this game have not been asked at all.

[chilly ermine]

@pale venture @mortal parrot

I'm pretty sure that there aren't a lot of grasslands in preparation for humans. They would be able to gun down dinos too easily. I believe this was said by Don at some point in the last year.

[mortal parrot]

Don said that the Dinos were likely going to be hiding in the jungle because of humans

[chilly ermine]

I'm sure it will be a mixture of both. Traveling from point A to point B would pretty hard if there was too much open area to get shot at.

[mortal parrot]

Still, there is just too much jungle, I would love to have a giant flat area like NW of Spiro

[pale venture]

real, or south spiro

[chilly ermine]

Maybe it's in the plans

[pale venture]

it better be

[lilac bolt]

yeah it doesn't need to be asked for by the community to be changed. we give feedback that's it for the main part we have no control or say over whatever the devs decide for the game we can say "hey that's bad we don't like that " or "hey change this" but it's completely up to the devs on whether they want to or not.

[limber hull]

Which is a generally bad plan imho

[lilac bolt]

I hope not lol

[mortal parrot]

Or just hang around jungles

[chilly ermine]

If you look at the map top down, there are patches of jungle in-between open spaces. One thing to remember, lately, evrima updates are planned with room to puzzle them in. It feels like things are lacking because they are, they haven't been implemented yet and it usually changes gameplay to make more sense (most/some of the time)

[mortal parrot]

We only have 1 moslty flat area that people actually go to which is South of South Plains, and it's not very large

[agile fable]

@ember granite

@hasty fractal
how is maia not clunky and unresponsive?

[ember granite]

i do agree with you that not being able to change stances while being hit feels a bit strange since its the way to defend yourself with the different attacks both stances provide, but i dont agree with the acceleration, my reasons are because i feel like maia its better at running away from an attacker than fighting back, its speed and the amount of stamina it has allows that, but also my main reason to disagree with changing the acceleration its because first of all Maia its a 3 ton dinosaur, its heavy and in my opinion, i dont think something 3 tons should go from 0 to 47kmh in one second.
Also balance wise, at the start of the HT maia barely had a previous acceleration or maybe it even didnt have one at all, which gave maia a lot of that advantage to change speeds super fast and also having the advantage of stamina and speed over most things, getting a single hit on a maia was super hard depending what you were playing, being able to run at you, attempt hitting, if it didnt it would start running super fast real quick, gain distance, turn around and try again until its dead. and even running things down.
I do play maia a lot and its one of my favorites since im more of a herbivore main, the acceleration of 3-5 seconds on bipedal really make me feel that im playing a heavy herbivore of 3 tons, maias on the current state can fight back very effectively things like raptors or dilos if done correctly as the attacks are very strong agaisnt things that size, but with things like a group of ceratos, i can run away also very effectively because the amount of stamina plus the superior speed make maia super good at escaping if needed, abnd also maia has a very good stamina recovery when laying down.

[agile fable]

I agree with your reasoning as well, I think the acceleration is "fine" where it is, I just think one of those things need to change, not both. and If changed i dont think the acceleration should be gone completely either, just buffed a little, 1.5-2.5seconds. maia needs to have downsides(and it does) and its very good at defending itself against dilo size and below.

However some dinos can actually out stam a maia, cera for example. I havent straight up tested it in a controlled environment but I did annoy a cera into chasing me and it actually out stammed me(if I kept running I'd have no way to defend myself once it caught up). again, not a controlled environment, but this is a little odd to me.

based off of your stamina regen comment though, maybe they intended maia to be a "sprinter" where you gain distance then lay down. but in practice this might not work as tracking is a very aggressive system that WILL find you

[ember granite]

some days ago i was playing maia and 3 ceratos started attacking me so i just ran away since i didnt feel i was going to win that, i just ran and ran and ran almost all stamina i had (i ran all the way from the big bridge of delta to the volcano by northeast lake and i only had like 10% stamina left) and they lost my tracks, since maia its i belive 47 for base speed and 49 with photo mutation while cerato its 39.7/40.2kmh (not sure if thats the speed with photo mutation tho) and i think maias can run long and fast enough to make tracks disappear from something with the speed of a cerato. BUT i think it also depends how much you are bleeding/if you are still bleeding or if the cerato its still young enough to have more stamina than an adult

[agile fable]

yeah I could be very wrong, so I can't say for certain but ill go based off of your experience. also idk about you but im terrified of one cera as a maia, it simply hits to hard for me to want to stick around and maia cant really fight it because of ceras agility and damageoutput

[ember granite]

yeaa ceratos are quite dangerous, even more for a solitary maia, i prefer running from them, maia´s bad turning radious also make it an even more defensive dino and also why i feel its more of a flee dinosaur than a attacker, but if played right and depending on the skill of the cerato, maia can also do great damage. From the same session on my maia, as i ran to northeast i found more maias, but the ceratos followed the calls of the other maias and got there after like 40 minutes, we ran away at first but since they were following us and decided on hunting us we decided to fight back, 5 maias vs 3 ceratos didnt go well for them, all ceratos died since maias can stun them with some attacks and the heavy stomp and the ¨trample¨ in quadrupedal stance can do great damage to them

but i do agree, as a solo maia i wouldnt really go to fight a cerato or even less a group of them

[agile fable]

maia is 100% a flee dino, its just sometimes you cant keep fleeing. i.e. you need water, food, or just ran from a different player. Fleeing cant always be the go to option. when youre trapped in a 1vX i think the unresponsiveness of maia doesnt really feel all to good, but maybe thats intended? idk

[ember granite]

yeaa, the quadrupedal stance its very good for defense, turn radius its way better and you turn quite fast for maia´s size, being able to keep things infront of you unless theyre fast, the ¨trample¨ on quadrupedal also does good damage, not sure the exact damage but i dont think its something ceratos want to tank a lot from what i have seen in my play session, i THINK the back kick also slightly stuns ceratos but i could be wrong

and quadrupedal stance also got that heavy stomp when holding lmb

[agile fable]

both stances have that heavy stomp, but next time maybe ill try just staying in quad stance and using the non hold left click to fight back. I was using its kicks but honestly I think the damage is to low on them and the recovery times are to high to use them against a cera

i dont actually know if the quad tap left click stuns so maybe thats the answer? also the kicks do stun cera

[hollow mirage]

@dim herald #general-feedback message
Another one I agree with yeah. I made a similar suggestion a few days ago but I think people might of assumed I was meaning a huge speed increase.

[limber hull]

the idea of tenonto outrunning pachy will deeply harm me on a spiritual level

[woeful latch]

pachy should be faster as well tbh😭

[limber hull]

im worried about the speed creep that may entail tho

[woeful latch]

fair enough, but there’s a huge gap between pachy (41.8) and omni (46.8)

i think it would be okay to give pachy and teno 5% speed boost, won’t really change anything balance wise but will help a lot escaping cera overpacks

[tired quest]

I prefer stay at delta to avoid cera, plenty rocks to jump un and river I can swim across

[woeful latch]

basically the only reason i want teno and pachy to be faster is ceras being almost the same speed which is really annoying

[woeful latch]

yeah, but cera swims with the same speed as teno

[tired quest]

a little jump before crossing the river helps,plus not many cera pack goes there

too noisy and will attract deino

[hollow mirage]

What the hell pachy is only 41km?!

[limber hull]

yup

[hollow mirage]

Thats really crazy I would have thought it a bit faster wow

[limber hull]

has been since it released lol, and that speed is REALLY not doing it any favours with the speed mutations and growing roster

[hollow mirage]

The speed mutations feel like they greatly unbalance sprinting

[limber hull]

like cera is "slow for its size", while pachy is absolutely SLUGGISH for its size

[hollow mirage]

Definitely I had no idea pachy was that slow
Should its speed just be increased or should the diets affecting speed like gali be added to more herbivores?

[woeful latch]

yeah it helps you lose a lot of stamina

[hollow mirage]

I agree a lot the speed difference between cera and tenonto is really insane

[woeful latch]

and another reason to buff tenos speed is just to balance it using stam for its attacks.

teno can run for 20 seconds longer and has faster trot.

but it using stam for its attacks unlike cerato does and cera making teno vomit in 2 bites which makes teno lose a lot of stamina

[limber hull]

Keep the galli thing as a galli thing

[hollow mirage]

👍

[woeful latch]

5% speed boost for the teno is enough to actually outrun it. because 0.1% speed difference between cera and teno can help teno escape ONLY if they both are running in a straight line, but since map is not a straight line that small difference in speed doesn’t change anything

[hasty fractal]

Tenonto speed balanced

[woeful latch]

nice argument🔥

[hollow mirage]

Me when im a tenonto and I die of a cerato nips my tail

[woeful latch]

💀

[hasty fractal]

Cerato vs tenonto matchup is skill issue

[woeful latch]

you’re a skill issue🔥🔥🔥

[hollow mirage]

xD

[woeful latch]

it wasn’t even about 1v1, it was about balance and how cerato hordes can outrun a teno, because 0.1% speed doesn’t mean anything

[dim herald]

the fabled skill issue. can it really be called a skill issue when you get spam attacked (the cera has no penalty for using the attack), then you get demolished because the cera nips the tip of your tail?

[hasty fractal]

Tenonto has Jump,stun, knockdown,better speed ,better hp so this is a skill issue

[woeful latch]

you’re missing the point

[hasty fractal]

Skill issue

Tenonto has stun xD

[hollow mirage]

Yeah. Especially with the speed mutations added if a cera has it you're out of luck. Especially if theres multiple

[woeful latch]

yeah, that sucks

[hasty fractal]

Tenonto can take speed mut.

[hollow mirage]

Running just isnt an option some times which is crazy

[woeful latch]

we all know you’re a cera main, chill out lol, not everything should be perfect for the cera

[hasty fractal]

Skill issue continue

[hollow mirage]

Why should that be required?

[dim herald]

have you been stunned? kicked in the head?

[woeful latch]

you’re just mad at this point, chill out lol

[hasty fractal]

Tenonto stronger than cera

If u can’t win this matchup this is a real skill issue

That’s it ;DD

[hollow mirage]

If you're playing teno you are kind of required to get the speed mutations to avoid ceras with speed mutations because of that speed.
The chase potential for a teno may leave it unable to flee if it spends stamina on attacking

Fleeing if you cant fight it really just stinks for teno

[woeful latch]

you’re missing the point again, it’s not about 1v1, it’s about cera packs vs teno

same with the pachy

you should always have a choice to run away, but in case of ceras vs teno most of the times you don’t really have that choice

[hasty fractal]

Tenonto has better stamina than cera, so if you can't escape, that's your problem because you're faster and you can climb rocks with your jumping ability. If you can't do those, that's your problem…

[woeful latch]

.

[hasty fractal]

Pachy need speed buff but tennonto…

[dim herald]

bait used to be believable

[woeful latch]

“rocks” are situational. and such a small speed difference doesn’t matter

[hasty fractal]

Bro u have better stamina

[hollow mirage]

In a forest when trying to hide away the turns do significantly decrease your speed

[hasty fractal]

Rest of us your problem

[hollow mirage]

20 seconds better and you cant regen while moving when that low

[woeful latch]

bro you need to learn how to read🔥
not trying to be disrespectful, but read my actual message above

[woeful latch]

.

[dim herald]

the better stamina doesnt matter when the cera is eating your tail the entire time

[hollow mirage]

The fact that you might have to use your entire stamina bar just to escape is 10/10 wild

[hasty fractal]

20 seconds is enough and it is faster than cera in normal walking mode.

Skill issue…

[woeful latch]

would you actually read the message?

[dim herald]

you are not real

[woeful latch]

alright, you’re just being mad again, not worth to discuss stuff with you

[hasty fractal]

If you're being made to vomit, it's not my problem.

Another skill issue :d

[woeful latch]

💀

[limber hull]

if the ceras have certain mutations

A: They have almost as much health
B: They have more speed
C: They still have more damage
D: They can stun you
E: They can rapidly drain resources

[hasty fractal]

Herbivores can also get a speed mutation, and they can also increase their stamina advantage with a tactile endurance mutation, so mutations disrupt the game.

[hollow mirage]

Why have mutations if you cant even play with the ones you want without being bent over?

[hasty fractal]

Except for mutations that do not affect the game much, they should be removed.

[hasty fractal]

It's a risk you're taking so you have to be prepared for what might happen.

[hollow mirage]

Unavoidable not so benign

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182932702798811159/1291628478344593450/hesbehindmeisnthe.gif

[hasty fractal]

If you don't play by the rules, there's nothing you can do.

[hollow mirage]

The Isle™️

[limber hull]

"you can also get the speed mutation to not get rolled"

okay but if i dont i just lose

[woeful latch]

alright i’ll translate for you guys what he’s trying to say:

“if you increase the tenos speed i won’t be able to kill it as effectively as before with me and 10 other ceras in my pack”

[hollow mirage]

Frfr!

[hollow mirage]

Exactly

[hasty fractal]

OK Man you are the best

[woeful latch]

it’s even worse for the pachy, because you literally cannot fight back. cera with the speed mutation will easily kill you

ty

[dim herald]

the isle is a sandbox survival game. you make your own choices. saying to follow the rules is like if Mojang was over your shoulder yelling at you and telling you where to place blocks. its a sandbox game, you do your own thing, and right now there are issues in the game that need to be fixed.

[hollow mirage]

!!! Will you place your bed next to mine......??

[dim herald]

o////o y-yes!!!~

[hasty fractal]

Just delete major mutations

[hollow mirage]

Me when I see speed mutation removal suggestions

(When is that coming speed hacking was an issue before why is it base game)

[dawn hound]

mutations should have some sord of downsides

[hasty fractal]

#general-feedback message like this

[dawn hound]

your idea is good, but that isnt what i ment

i ment something like enlarged meniscus is already a downside on itself

but like

if an animal has hydrodynamic mutation, it should have less hp or something like that, not specifically that idea tho

just an example

[hasty fractal]

Yes, this needs serious regulation.

[dawn hound]

or that it has less weight, since it would make sence for an animal to be lighter and because of that being faster

and health comes with weight ofc

[woeful latch]

why? what?

what health has to do with swimming speed

[wooden agate]

i think theyre just trying to show the type of effects mutations could have

i wouldnt be upset at certain mutations getting debuffs, but theyd have to be pretty decent mutations

like reabsorb making you drink 20% slower or something

cannibalism replacing a diet option rather than adding another one on

[woeful latch]

same

[wooden agate]

and hydrodynamic could easily give you the increased swim speed but increase the stamina cost that swimming has

although idk about that one cause youd want hydrodynamic to be used to encourage people to live in watery enviorments so idek if id give that one a debuff

[woeful latch]

15% more stam cost for 15% speed boost seems fair

[woeful latch]

ahh you’re right

i guess not all of them should have debuffs

[wooden agate]

i think the only ones that should have debuffs are ones that really break the norm of what your animal would do

like going days without drinking cause it rained, or eating packmates when its not naturally cannibalistic

or maybe not debuffs but general side effects that could be considered a sort of debuff

[limber hull]

not a fan of mutation debuffs at all

it only enforces a meta, it doesn't discourage it

[wooden agate]

thats true, i dont know how it would inherently work in practice but i think it would be interesting to see at some point

[limber hull]

i also dont think enlarged miniscus is a good example of a mutation with a downside

[wooden agate]

granted this wraps back around to mutations just not being survival focused enough because if they were they wouldnt need this tinkering

[limber hull]

because it's inherently still advantageous

[wooden agate]

yeah thats kinda what im thinking when it comes to debuffs. not really a bad side effect but just something you should be aware of that adds a little more challenge

[limber hull]

honestly, it's a better example of how mutations should be. Allows for interesting new interactions and playstyles that only that mutation unlocks

[junior nymph]

@mighty lichen ruin distance of sounds nice

[limber hull]

i hate immersion

[mighty lichen]

Go outside and touch some grass

[cinder haven]

@daring talon wrong if spino and sucho come, we don't run away from them, we fight them, it's not in our nature to run away (unless they catch us on land and very weak)

[daring talon]

then it is in your nature to die horribly because your creature exists to bully things under half its weight

[cinder haven]

In fact, it will not affect me as the only nik, I will not even look at the face of denio at that time because he was in that situation, but if it was 6.5 denio, then things would be bad for spino.

Also, denio is the only creature that can be eaten in water, spino sucho can't do that.

• it's doubtful that spino bite force can even beat denio

[daring talon]

What are those front things on its torso

Deino cant even consistently kill this thing bruh and its like half the size of spino

[cinder haven]

he can be defeated in the snow but in the water he looks for a sub atack (of course now denio has no choice but to run away) but I think 6.5 can kill him

[cinder haven]

Wrong, I could kill him at 6.5 but I can't kill him anymore because they took away my bite speed, and I agree that this denio can't onuyemez and probably when spino is added to the game, denio will get a buff or not.

[woeful latch]

because it shouldn’t

[cinder haven]

this is the end of the road denio ambush hunter denio must be bored denio trex stego must be bullied

[cinder haven]

denio fate

This is the real denio.

[daring talon]

never said it should please read further up this dude thinks deino is gonna stomp spino or smthn

[cinder haven]

Now let's imagine that spino and denio meet in the water, if it were up to me, I would argue that whoever plays well should win, but if we think realistically, denio should destroy spino in the water (I think whoever plays well should win in the water, of course denio should be a little superior)

[hollow mirage]

Isnt that like a sub rex lol

[cinder haven]

I wasn't there, I don't know XD

[woeful latch]

it most likely won’t ahah

[woeful latch]

RIP ahah!!

[cinder haven]

Yeah, I feel sorry for that guy.

[woeful latch]

it shouldn’t, spino should destroy the deino, but deino will most likely swim faster

[hollow mirage]

I hope spino is dense and big boned and walks along the floor like a hippo

[cinder haven]

So you're right, if the producers keep treating denio so badly, spino will kill denio as soon as he sees him in the water, after all spino is fast, spino is big. (also realize that denio is not worth playing)

[hollow mirage]

Spino and deino are great for different things
I dont think spino will be ambushing from the waters with such a huge body

Deino will probably be faster in the waters and have more consistent kills (that it can pull under water) because if its ambushing ability

[cinder haven]

If this denio was in the game, or something close to it, the stegos wouldn't be able to bully us so easily.

1 problem spino can follow denio in the water 2 problem denio can never keep experienced players with this map it is very difficult 3 problem denio is very boring it is a problem to grow but spino giga and trex will be fun and easier to grow

[woeful latch]

yeah but it’s irl deino and irl spino, the isle has fictional version of those

[cinder haven]

My problem is not to beat everyone, just be fair.

[cinder haven]

You're right, I would choose fictional spino, but denio can't be so cruel.😭

[woeful latch]

yeah the croc will most likely swim faster, so it will probably easily escape the spino

[woeful latch]

maybe if they buff the deino

[cinder haven]

he stalks and then he kills

I don't ask for much, it will be fair to kill the stego, whoever plays the spino well will win, or the spinos will be faster and the stam will be strong, they will run away (or they can take it with bleeding damage, they can come from behind and hold it.

[cinder haven]

I changed my mind, why so big? denio doesn't stand a chance

[cinder haven]

brother, I changed my mind, this spino genetically modified denio has no chance of winning.

[woeful latch]

yeah ahah

[teal fulcrum]

i noticed that, too. spino doesn't have to be that big

[cinder haven]

knk he's a hybrid dinosaur

[woeful latch]

it’s not even that big

[cinder haven]

jurrasick world is as big as the latest version of spinon.

[daring talon]

spinosaurus will probably eat dino alive in literally every circumstance

[cinder haven]

It'll be nice to play with this fat spino. I feel sorry for the Deno players (if there are any left to play when that time comes),

[boreal briar]

@bitter dove it is like that. It fills your Hunger bar, if your current food is 100%, they need to fill the bile up to 100% on you. However, it's weight based for how it's applied too. Smaller creatures are easier to make puke for the cerato.

[cinder haven]

don't small animals vomit more anyway?

even now they're throwing up too much.

[fast terrace]

i solved the hunger crisis btw)

[cinder haven]

What is the solution

[fast terrace]

waiting for other people to trigger the fish spawn

while mig zone was there

there was like 4 maias and a sub deino

[cinder haven]

I know the fish don't eat as much as they used to and that's why it doesn't work .d I don't know exactly what happened I don't play denio anymore but I know it's very boring denion

[fast terrace]

i ate 2 mais too

[cinder haven]

Bon appetit👍🏻 😎

[daring talon]

well theres not just spino theres also deinochirus (horrifyingly large claws) and packs of suchomimus

considering utah packs can kill stego i wouldnt be suprised to see bary packs try the same against deino

[cinder haven]

nahh we can kill suchu easily

[bitter dove]

im saying it should tick up slowly, not fill up a procentage instantly ( for argument sake lets say you have 100% food. A bite puts you at 30% bile instantly right now. What i suggested is the bile starting at 0 after a bite and slowly going up to 30% in like 10-20 seconds)

[eager socket]

It’s not meant to

[full heart]

I doubt anyone will be playing deino till they do some changes. Definitely not a playable atm.

[cinder haven]

👍🏻

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message downvoted really?

[eager socket]

@nocturne imp that is technically supposed to be troodons whole niche if they ever double back to it

[woeful latch]

yes, teno is suffering too much already.
and the tail slam is just defensive tool, the only thing it can do with the tail slam is defend itself.
it does only 100 damage and stuns teno itself :(
i tested the tail slam and i can stun other tenos now D:
teno got shadownerfed too many times, let it have at least one buff 😭

[woven bane]

it should get buffed in other areas ye i agree but it dosent need to be able to stun mid tiers

[woeful latch]

i wonder why they changed it, we dont even have any 2400 mid tiers in the game😳
but imo its not really op or anything, just helps teno survive, nothing more

[woven bane]

yea might just be to set it up for allo or smt

[woeful latch]

and you really only wanna use tail slam on mid tiers when you want to run, not to fight. like even if you stun a sub allo or something, the best thing you can do is run away from it

[woven bane]

having it be reduced to 1.9T max wouldn’t hurt

[woeful latch]

im actually so exited, didnt expect teno to get a buff lol

[tight iron]

in what areas is teno suffering?

[woeful latch]

i think the way stun works should be changed, like for example the carno should be able to stun a teno, idk why it cant, even tho tenos weight is greater, carno is charging it at 60 km/h, same with the teno, imo its tail looks like it can stun something that is 2.4t

[woven bane]

tenos tailslam dosent go over something in that size range though, it wouldn’t look right

[woeful latch]

the damage got massively nerfed, the tail slam stuns teno itself, its not even the fastest swimmer anymore. you cant even see the tip of your tail because of the camera fov changes, its basically the same speed as cerato and its really hard to run away from the cera hordes

[woven bane]

275-250, not that massive

[tight iron]

ummmmmm

well first off tail slam being an animation lock is completely fine

[woeful latch]

headshot was 415, now its 375.
tail slam was 150, now its 100.

[tight iron]

theres no way you should be able to do 100 damage and stun/knockdown without a single drawback

[woeful latch]

during the animation, not after the animation

[tight iron]

second it being 0.1 km/h faster than ceras aint an issue

and third, it aint difficult to run away from a cera horde when you can jump, outrun and outstam them

teno vs cera is a walk in the park

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message
@coarse spruce
that would be a great mutation, but isnt the nametag going away at distance just a rendering distance limitation?

[tight iron]

running away aint an issue, fighting aint an issue either

[tight iron]

uh what

[woeful latch]

even if we ignore the speed mutations and other stuff. the vomit actually just kills tenos stamina

[tight iron]

you still have enough to run away btw

[woeful latch]

so basically if you vomited you wont be able to run away

[tight iron]

im tail slamming as we speak, i dont see any of this happening

[woeful latch]

no, teno got 20 seconds more stamina

[woven bane]

vomit dosent take away that much stam

[tight iron]

and you also outrun it

[woeful latch]

if you tailslam theres like 0.5-1 second lock when you cant move at all

[tight iron]

that's the teno putting its tail back into position

[woeful latch]

0.1 km/h really only makes a difference when you're running in a straight line, in the real fight it wont help

[tight iron]

it's about 0.3 seconds

[tight iron]

fights involve running in straight lines

[woeful latch]

im gonna test this tomorrow and ill give you exact number

[tight iron]

im tail slamming rn

[woeful latch]

tail slam and press w, let me know when the tenos starts to move

[tight iron]

0.3 seconds

[woeful latch]

hm wait, did they fix it finally?

[tight iron]

i think so

feels faster than it did before

[woeful latch]

wait what

no way they did it

[tight iron]

let me clip it for you real quick and send it here

[woeful latch]

ok tyty

i might just test it on norden rn

[tight iron]

they must have cause it def feels faster

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jmeJmk0Rm8FyLzRE7?invite=cr-MSxnTjQsMjUxOTE1ODY2LA

[mystic parcel]

Yea they do silent buff/nerfs on creatures without letting ppl know at random times.

[woeful latch]

NO WAY THEY DID IT

FINALLY OMG

actually feels like i’m dreaming

[woeful latch]

yeah i know 😭😭

[tight iron]

we ball

[woeful latch]

I TESTED MYSELF

THEY DID IT OMG

i literally cannot believe this

[eager socket]

Oof

Gotta play abit more cautious if I wanna hunt tenos I see

[coarse spruce]

that would suck if it was :(
I imagine it wouldn't be hard to overcome though, beyond a certain distance you just need to put a nametag over what direction they're in rather than over their model. The difference in nametag placement would be indistinguishable

[hollow mirage]

I didnt know they lowered tenos dmg tho thays wild

[vital laurel]

@barren zephyr sounds cool, but ai inst magic, youd need a lot of training data for dinosaurs, which means someone would need to play dinosaur in mocap for a lot of hours to get something even close realistic, some anims like quadrupedal locomotion might be able to be somewhat AI generated but i doubt any of it would be more realistic than animations and physical tails and such

[barren zephyr]

i know

my only real concern is that some may loose their jobs

[vital laurel]

it wouldnt look good

[barren zephyr]

some games make it work pretty well

have you even seen this type of animation type?

[vital laurel]

unless you get a gigant model that could(legaly) take movies and even video game footage to then transfer it as data or if you could get all the dino games to use their anims as training data, which isnt happening

[barren zephyr]

what are you talking about? its really only math, not taking from movies etc

[vital laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/picard-facepalm-oh-no-oh-hell-no-no-gif-10723914200679373178

it needs to know how to apply the vectors somehow.......

[hollow mirage]

Why would the isle ever use ai for their models or animations
Go play that ai mc

[barren zephyr]

models?

i didnt mention models

[hollow mirage]

Zzz

Ok but why their animations

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-g-jimmy-butler-butler-reaction-senorclatticus-gif-7603023078686875221

[barren zephyr]

i guess its cool, tbh i was just an idea

[hollow mirage]

Im sorry

[barren zephyr]

no worries

[hollow mirage]

We can still make up maybe in the future someone will make an ai dinosaur game.....

[barren zephyr]

bro

no

pretzel wrighting a novel

[vital laurel]

if you get a gigant model that can process videos, see the dinosaurs, look at their movements, this model also needs to understand how to apply this to a rig and potentially weight paint the model good too(not a very big issue compared to the rest lol) and all this to get a bunch of anims that aren't all that great and you could've just made more of it physics based

[barren zephyr]

im not good at math, but i think you are overcomplicating

[vital laurel]

lmao

[barren zephyr]

let me explain shortly:

[eager socket]

[barren zephyr]

you take a 2d circle around both feet, this will be the zone that the feet is allowed to go to, with some math, the ai will move the knees, hips and feet that would look normal, within the circle. this is still what i have seen on youtube...

dont look at me like a geek

they may need to hire albert einstein

[vital laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-homelander-gif-26089752

that

[eager socket]

Oh brother

[barren zephyr]

its what i saw on youtube ok😭

🙏

[eager socket]

It’s a whole lot more complex than that especially with how Dino’s move

[vital laurel]

thats not how it works, like bro, it needs to understand what its moving, HOW ITS MOVING, WHY ITS MOVING AND IT NEEDS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF TRAINING DATA

[eager socket]

^^^^

[vital laurel]

TRANING DATA

[barren zephyr]

its what i saw on youtube

[vital laurel]

and ive told you its not how it works

[eager socket]

It’s easier to have a talented animator set the movement
Parameters and create the movement

[barren zephyr]

sure..

[vital laurel]

AI will naturally be developed to be able to create anims for most thing seamlessly but the isle is so niche, like sure in a couple months if a team invested in it you could have a decent model that can create dino models, but yeah, not worth it

[barren zephyr]

i am not talking about creating dino models?

[vital laurel]

omfg

[barren zephyr]

but i get what you mean

[vital laurel]

its AN AI MODEL

[eager socket]

The time and effort it’d take to make it work without causing issue or looking stupid wouldn’t be worth it

[vital laurel]

you hurt my brain, you say you have no knowledge of the backend and saw a couple vids on youtube about it yet you seem to know its possible and cost effective

[barren zephyr]

i never said it was cost efefctive???

[vital laurel]

comericall ai cant even generate hands of keep track off how many Rs in strawberry, even though this is a whole other department, why a new and unproven model be able to animate dinos

[eager socket]

[barren zephyr]

you are getting mad over a little idea i had for a game about dinosaurs, yet you are talking about things i never mentioned. and also getting mad at the fact that i listed a "way" to do this, from a youtube video i saw a year ago? omg its an idea i had in mind and yet you get raged? this is actualy hilarious and concerning at the same time

be a bit more posetive

[eager socket]

Aight kids I think we can end it here

[vital laurel]

im telling you why its not possible and you keep ignoring what I'm telling you

[barren zephyr]

i was hoping some would say that

[hollow mirage]

#isle-discussion message
Is this what you meant?

[barren zephyr]

yes, i just forgot wht it was called, thanks

[tame jetty]

@coarse spruce tbh, devs should just increase the view distance of group name tags before they disappeare. It's annoying that the names dissappear so quickly and short distance rn. Having to waste mutation on something that should just be a default thing, isn't it

[zealous violet]

Waddia'all think about lowering damage when attacked by same-species (outside of those that actually have being a canni in their diet) but only in migration zones?
Like, migration zones are supposed to sort of be like 'the great valley' type oasis areas, not PVO spawn points. Im not saying it would be like, huge amounts, you could totally still murc people, but it might take a minute longer or give them enough time to get away? Like maybe 10%? idk I just want some areas to be chill and full of players and the carnis be the aggressors for once.

[limber hull]

already a thing for groupmates. The number is just insanely low lol

[north quiver]

@barren zephyr yeah cera needs some nerfs to its ability to hunt (specifically hunt, not defend itself). it’s still pretty insane with all of the benefits it has. the thing literally has no weakness lol that’s why you see so many of them. they’re insane hunters, and they’re just as insane cannibals to support their populations if things go sideways for them

I’m pretty certain that with the way cera works right now, allo will be decimated by packs and ran down along with any other bigger carnivore that can’t simply flee to water safely and stay there

[hollow mirage]

❤️

[woven bane]

maybe it’s popular because carno got butchered

[north quiver]

it’s always been popular ever since it came out because it still remains an effective hunter. the only time it dropped in popularity was when it was getting bodied by pre-nerf maia

the most popular dinos are always the ones that can best kill other players

[woven bane]

not really. everyone is playing cera rn because they want to be the biggest carnivore

[woven bane]

not necessarily. teno ain’t popular despite it being overtuned, dibble isn’t nearly as popular as cerato despite it being much stronger

[north quiver]

teno isn’t overtuned. it’s pretty balanced despite the shadow nerfs its received over time

dibble isn’t as popular because people can’t chase down other players with dibble as easily

people always flock to the playable that can best kill and can kill the most

[woven bane]

you’re acting like cera can chase down stuff. it’s slow aswell.
yes teno is overtuned when it can kick over 50 times deal insane bleed and stun things that are 2.4T

[north quiver]

that’s not really an issue when everything can either adequately defend itself from a teno or simply just.. run away lol the only one that might have trouble with that is cera since they’re similar speeds and teno apparently just has more stam

[woven bane]

same case with cera but you’re acting like it’s a 55kmh hunter than can chase things down

[north quiver]

you’d be surprised #general-feedback message

[woven bane]

that’s a visual bug

cera ain’t 44kmh

[north quiver]

it’s still an insanely good hunter and just has been from the moment of its release. the moment a slower land carnivore is released is the moment it gets absolutely bodied by cera packs

if a pack of 3 can kill a dibble (ignoring talks of skill between both parties), I wish any allo or slow carnivore good luck lol

[woven bane]

you do realize that 2 tenos can kill a dibble just as easily right

[north quiver]

it’s significantly harder because of teno’s longer hitbox and the fact it can’t stun a dibble unlike cera with its vomit

[lucid mauve]

Well thats how they will balance this game, its not skill anymore. Its just numbers.

[north quiver]

cera’s kit allows it to kill dibbles leagues easier

[woven bane]

it can still bleed it out in like 4-5 kicks so nah.
besides they changed how vomit works it isn’t really good for stuns

• it has a 40 second long cool-down

[woven bane]

teno is a bleeder, dibbles biggest weakness is bleed

[limber hull]

nothing to do with it. cera has literally always been like this

[woven bane]

no

[lucid mauve]

Did they buff cera or something ?

[limber hull]

nah, its just like this

[woven bane]

it’s been nerfed multiple times but still is OP to ppl with skill issues

[north quiver]

yep always been like this. used to be far worse, but it’s still pretty bad

[lucid mauve]

I still beat it easy in 1v1 as dilo, not even a fight. And im not good by the way

[limber hull]

its dilo lol

[woven bane]

yea like i said people have skill issues

even good carnos can kill ceras

[lucid mauve]

No its not skill, cera dmg is so low that i dont care when i facetank it. I can even facetank it 2 times and dont care

[woven bane]

“why can’t my dibble fight 10 ceratos at once plz nerf it”

[limber hull]

cera damage is low? thats new

first time for everything i guess

[lucid mauve]

yea, cus ppl like to hit something 5 times and still live and dont think about skill

[limber hull]

literally one of the carnivores with both great burst damage plus DPS but yea low damage

[lucid mauve]

You think its good balance when i can facetank a cera 2 times as dilo and dont even care about bleed or dmg ?

[north quiver]

cera doing nearly 500 damage on a headshot with a charge bite that costs absolutely zero stam or drawbacks lol

[limber hull]

we talking skill issues? because THAT, that is a skill issue on the cera's part

that's actually just sad lol

if you have a literal playable that effectively plays itself and you cant beat a facetanking dilo, lmao

[lucid mauve]

Im the dumb one, since im facetanking it. But i dont care cus it dont hurt

[barren crater]

where is it hitting lol

2 bites on the body is 300 damage which is enough to puke you iirc and get even more bites

dilo isn't ignoring that bleed

[lucid mauve]

Oww i puke, but i dont care. Just needed the venom in

Also its night times, day time i would been dead

[woven bane]

teno does like 800 dmg in one combo LOL

[barren crater]

i mean hallucinations should be nerfed / reworked so

[limber hull]

you... do care, because any cera knows dilo has an extremely punishing vomit anim that allows it to basically onecycle it to death

but i guess, again, bad players be bad

[barren crater]

or do you want the dilo to die

[woven bane]

nah a cera can’t get more bites in anymore. only 1

[barren crater]

?

[woven bane]

they changed how vomit locking works. biting the dilo will cancel the animation

[barren crater]

yeah but you can get 2 depending on how close you are

[woven bane]

nah u can’t

[limber hull]

ya, you can lol

[woven bane]

at best you’ll get in a base tail bite

[north quiver]

which takes a very considerable amount of stam, positioning, and skill to pull off and also leaves it highly vulnerable to headshots from something else

don’t get wombo comboed by the angry horse

[lucid mauve]

Yea i think its fine, i just think cera is bad. dmg should be higher. It should not be as effective at hunting tho

[limber hull]

or just charge up a charged bite while the dilo is helpless

[woven bane]

very considerate amount of stam is 5-6%? alright.

[barren crater]

isn't that more hits like i said?

[woven bane]

you said hits, i’m saying that u can get in 1 bite

[north quiver]

stam is it’s lifeblood because its attacks all use stam unlike cera, where only the alt attack costs a small amount of stam

[woven bane]

you do realize that tenos strongest attack takes as much stamina as ceras alt bite

[north quiver]

also a high chance for attacks to miss from the nature of rear attacks

[woven bane]

skill issue

if u can’t hit an immobilized opponent

[barren crater]

first will cancel though, which is guaranteed. i've literally got more in fights after that fact tho

[north quiver]

which also happens to deal less damage than cera’s strongest attack that doesn’t cost stam and isn’t hard to hit with

[woven bane]

you can immediately take off once the cera bites you. how is it going to get multiple hits in lol

[woven bane]

unlike cera, tenos strongest attack isn’t in its weakspot. you can trade it without as much risk

[barren crater]

multiple as in more than one. i've managed 2 in fights. idk what else to say

[woven bane]

we can test it if u got time

[barren crater]

sure although idk how that changes what i've been doing recently 😭

what server

[woven bane]

norden

[barren crater]

us or eu

[woven bane]

us

[waxen moss]

@zealous violet i they did it with Deino when you z walk into the water, its way quiter, idk about other things tho

[coarse spruce]

A lot of the mutations could be thrown away and made default, but I would actually prefer mutations took on a bunch of PvE advantages rather than PvP. So I'm all for broadening the number of choices a player has for improving their creature's quality of life

[green niche]

@earnest rain when you catch a fish, sprint as fast as possible to the nearest shore and drop the fish. wait for a minute or so for the small pteros to stop attacking the fish then eat.

[tight iron]

drop it on the shore then grab and swallow it, thye'll despawn

[green niche]

if youve just spawned in then you'll be too small to swallow it whole.

try to avoid picking anything up until you are large enough to swallow it whole

[tight iron]

fair enough

[woven bane]

lmao

[junior nymph]

@gilded river aiden.

[gilded river]

what

[junior nymph]

nothing

[limber hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/497545569942765581/776253911576477768/speed.gif

[gilded river]

wdym aiden

[deep roost]

Aden

[junior nymph]

a den

[gilded river]

meaning?

[hidden mist]

That’s what I call a feedback.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @gilded river 🗣🗣 i agree with your suggestion

[limber hull]

fed back indeed

[junior nymph]

the devs need to listen to this

[woven bane]

does this mean that erebus will get banned?😔

[gilded river]

why did you say that name?

[hidden mist]

Probably 😢

[junior nymph]

no reason

[woven bane]

aiden

[gilded river]

tell me

[hidden mist]

Nedia.

[junior nymph]

no

[pale prairie]

Aden.

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-dragon-ball-serious-videl-green-gi-gif-4085509826425294602

[junior nymph]

aden.

[white plover]

aden.png

[woven bane]

Aiden

[junior nymph]

@gilded river

[hidden mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ekko-arcane-chad-league-of-legends-gif-5103514844172529980

[woven bane]

@gilded river

[limber hull]

i want that guy got

[woven bane]

🗣🔥

[hidden mist]

@gilded river

[woven bane]

@gilded river

[gilded river]

what

[limber hull]

you are the man of the hour my friend

bask in your glory while it lasts

[junior nymph]

Aden

[woeful latch]

@gilded river

[woven bane]

@gilded river

[hidden mist]

Praise the Erebus (Aden)!

[woeful latch]

hello, the legend

[hidden mist]

I want an autograph.

[woeful latch]

please

[woven bane]

@gilded river

[woeful latch]

i want one as well

[limber hull]

imagine

[woeful latch]

@gilded river

[limber hull]

to experience such love by the people

[hidden mist]

Queue, my friend.

[woeful latch]

🥺

[woven bane]

imagine being an orphan.

[limber hull]

to be an idol of sorts

[woeful latch]

imagine being

[hidden mist]

Imagine.

[woven bane]

imagine existing

[woeful latch]

.

[woven bane]

imagine being australian

imagine being american

[junior nymph]

thats too far

[woven bane]

imagine being a human

[woeful latch]

fart

[white plover]

imagine there's no heaven (it's easy if you try)

[hidden mist]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-parrot-headbanging-gif-17332910

[pale prairie]

yo @gilded river did you mean to share that?

[gilded river]

john

[limber hull]

GET OUT OF HERE JOHN LENNON

YOU RAT BASTARD

[woeful latch]

😭😭🤘

[pale prairie]

cake

[hidden mist]

Foreshadowing at its finest.

[woven bane]

you’re drunk innit

[junior nymph]

aden

[limber hull]

Don't you innit me

[woeful latch]

@gilded river hallour

[woven bane]

my bad king

[limber hull]

Thanks

[hidden mist]

My, bad king.

[woeful latch]

can we all just agree with @gilded river ‘s feedback?

[pale prairie]

oh for sure.

[white plover]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-john-hammond-yahoo-jurassic-park-yahoo-john-hammond-yahoo-gif-21207753

[junior nymph]

we can agree with aden's feedback

[woeful latch]

they unite the isle community

[hidden mist]

We must get Erebus the most upvoted feedback of all time while mods are asleep 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/psychopomp-fanding-club-stuk-hummer-molotok-gif-4525881619573015392

[woven bane]

we all upvoting it so that hopefully it can be added🗣

[woeful latch]

!!!

i hope @gilded river will be the next playable

[woven bane]

new playable!

[white plover]

gen 3 human

[hidden mist]

More like Gen Alpha.

[woven bane]

new hypsi model

[junior nymph]

[deep roost]

Keep crinky busy in isle-disscussion, else they'll delete it

[woeful latch]

let’s go!!

[hidden mist]

Talk with him about Edaphosaurus!!! Fast!!!

[limber hull]

the higher ups fear him, for he represents the common folk and their quandaries in all faculties

a banner to walk under

[woeful latch]

real

[woven bane]

i hope he dosent get banned

[woeful latch]

🙏🙏🙏

i will pray every night

[limber hull]

we must preserve our heroes

[woven bane]

@gilded river hi

[deep roost]

Maybe we should add filler feedback so its harder to find for mods

[woeful latch]

@gilded river 🛐🛐🛐

[junior nymph]

has @gilded river stopped talking out of fear? SPEAK KING

[woeful latch]

real

[woven bane]

good idea. already made one

[hidden mist]

We need more letters however I have no fantasy now 😭😭😭

[deep roost]

Noooo.......

[woeful latch]

NOOOOOO

THEY DELETED THE POST

[radiant nest]

Censorship 😔

[junior nymph]

NOOO ADEN

[radiant nest]

Apparently they left the server

[limber hull]

while we lost a hero, we found a legend

remember that

[radiant nest]

Oops

I may have missed the memo

[tight iron]

do you have an image of his feedback

[tight iron]

banned 100%

[radiant nest]

A ghost

[junior nymph]

hes still in

[tight iron]

oh

[radiant nest]

Also here’s the image

[tight iron]

LOL

best feedback ever

if they add it the game will see a damn crazy increase in players

[hidden mist]

Those who saw it first were blessed!

[radiant nest]

Nope doesn’t show any shared servers or join date for this one

[cinder haven]

what is your opinion?

[tight iron]

amazing feedback

[cinder haven]

your opinion amazing feedback ?

[tight iron]

incredible feedback it is

[cinder haven]

hmm, I like that.👍🏻

[tight iron]

yessir

[woeful latch]

i have.

i will share with you for just 10.99$

[hidden mist]

🤫

[hidden mist]

👍

[tight iron]

stonks

[woeful latch]

forever in our hearts..

[tight iron]

LMAOOOO

[woven bane]

😭

[tight iron]

@shy girder biggest land carnivore is 1.3 tons (carno got downsized and brutally nerfed)

[cinder haven]

Unfortunately, yes.

still can't turn around

[woeful latch]

i like the new carno more than the old one tbh, i think it’s pretty good at what it does.

my only issue with it is being little slower than i think it should be. 52 would be nice for the carno

[eager socket]

@shy girder 1.3 there is no carni 1.8 now if we account for deino it’s 6 ton but they are water locked for the most part

[hidden mist]

Also growth time and food/nutrients intake from small things is still not suited for a ‘small game hunter’, imho.

[cinder haven]

yeah it's fun to kill inexperienced players xd

[eager socket]

@barren zephyr as cool as the idea is having any sort of parasite ontop of everything else already a mechanic and planned mechanic s parasites of any kind will make the already high entry level for the game skyrocket

[cinder haven]

so I would prefer it to be 1.8 tons but if it gets 1.5 and a little boost I will play (I'm tired of being bullied by cera and teno)

[barren zephyr]

It just depends how its implemented, you can have some minor parasites that only occur when doing specific actions, and have a low chance of even occurring to begin with.
I wouldn't want something like parasites to be heavily intrusive, it would likely just be a minor hurdle and just some more PvE as the game completely lacks that at the moment.

Also gives players a reason to interact with smaller species and AI outside of just killing each other like they currently do.

[cinder haven]

I think it is a very nice and good idea, I think it can be one more big mechanic on the list of things to do in Evrima.

[woeful latch]

if we buff the current carno to 1.8 without changing anything else it would be hella op

[cinder haven]

so they're going to bring the parasite into the game?

[cinder haven]

Are you kidding me or are you serious?

sad

I'm playing carno

[eager socket]

The problem is there is already no guides in game on how to even do anything and a lot of newer players already find learning this game relatively frustrating adding anything with any sort of negative effect would cause for a lot of players to rage quit cuz they get a stam debuff have no idea why or how to get rid of it and can never keep up with their friends

[eager socket]

Your crazy

1.8 would barely make it compete with cerato

[barren zephyr]

That is an issue that will be resolved with time though? The idea that there isn't any guides shouldn't completely gate a new mechanic when that is easily resolvable. Plus there could be a detailed explanation of a debuff in the status list

[eager socket]

And cera would still win baring a serious skill issue

[eager socket]

It’s far too early to be considering parasites

[barren zephyr]

I'm not saying to implement it now though...

[cinder haven]

aaa right beginners have very ridiculous movements XD

[eager socket]

Plus I myself would find randomly getting a parasite highly frustrating

[barren zephyr]

It wouldn't be random

[eager socket]

Envirma is very hard to learn early on

[eager socket]

What would be things that cause it

[woeful latch]

carno has a lot of potential
and after hours of testing i can say that good carno always wins a fight vs cerato if they’re fighting in plains.

current carno can ram immediately. ram+drift makes it super agile.

carno really doesn’t need weight buff

[cinder haven]

yes evrimada 900+ hours to be a good player, master player 1.500+ XD

[eager socket]

So real

[eager socket]

If the cera has less than 5 iq

I’ve never seen a carno who isn’t very good beat a half competent cera

[cinder haven]

but apart from that, we are beaten by most animals in most places, if the rotation speed and stam are good, I would even play 1.3 carno, but they are terrible.

[barren zephyr]

The system I am suggesting would be tied directly to what a player is actively doing in-game, and the parasite wouldn't be heavily intrusive either. Any debuff applied would be miniscule, it would be more of an annoyance than anything, but would give players a reason to do specific things.

Like seek out AI/small animals to pick them off. Or roll in plants/mud to prevent getting them in the first place.

One cause could be allowing yourself to get incredibly dirty for a long period of time without washing. Another could be interacting with specific plant types in patches. There's a plethora of ways, there should always be an avenue of avoidance for them as well.

[woeful latch]

basically a lot of “buff carno” stuff comes from the players that are not good as a carno.

when in fact carno can be super effective, you just need to know what to do

[eager socket]

But what specific things would cause you to get one?

[barren zephyr]

I just listed some.

[woeful latch]

and here’s another take.

carno should never fight a cerato, there’s no point, it’s not in diet, it’s not a herbivore.

[eager socket]

So basically you must be insanely good as carno to play carno and anyone else get rekt loser gotcha

[woeful latch]

and cerato being little op currently, it’s not carno issue, it’s cera being cera

[cinder haven]

I saw horde test 3 adult carno, I haven't seen more, so there are very few people playing carno, I think it's not that I can't do it, but that it's a little dysfunctional.

[woeful latch]

same with the teno, same with basically every other dino in the game, you should be good

[eager socket]

So make wallowing in mud a pointless mechanic that no one would use

[eager socket]

Cera is not op

[cinder haven]

He's invading my puppies and my territory. Of course I'll fight.

[barren zephyr]

??? Being dirty as in dusty... also this would only apply if you're dirty constantly. Again it's just an example.

[cinder haven]

and it's fun

[eager socket]

Yes but that doesn’t mean a Dino’s should be weak just cuz

[eager socket]

Getting dirty casually isn’t a thing anymore

[woeful latch]

they’re in fact not.

[cinder haven]

carno I would play again if the speed and rotation speed were improved so that I could play more often, maybe the bite speed

I can't keep up with you, it's hard to play carno and write to you at the same time.

[woeful latch]

carno is super good at hunting omnis and dilos, you just need to actually know how to fight properly.

[barren zephyr]

They could re-add it, again this suggestion I made isn't something I want implemented tomorrow. You're looking at the game in the scope of today, and not of the future.

[woeful latch]

making it 1.8 and not changing anything else will make it op as hell.

it will be the same thing we had when maia was on HT. running around and killing everything

[cinder haven]

4 canro against single canro does not have much of a chance, in short, there is almost no one playing carno, so it is currently unsuccessful

[woeful latch]

skill issue

[eager socket]

Carno is weak rn it requires a lot of effort and skill to be winning fights when for other Dino’s they don’t need to be skilled at all compared to the carno they are fighting to win

[woeful latch]

what dinos for example?

[cinder haven]

okda there are only 3 skilled canro players in the game? even horde test I saw very little + on normal servers

[eager socket]

I’m considering the longevity and population of the game if you make it hard for new people to play new people won’t play

[cinder haven]

1.8 carno can balance

[eager socket]

And as minor a feature might seem it can majorly affect new people who have no idea what’s up

[eager socket]

Omni, dilo, hell troodons can harass carnos

[cinder haven]

also utah can easily take canros (if they know how to play)

[barren zephyr]

This won't make it difficult for new people to play, this is merely adding more PvE and adding player interaction outside of combat.

Plus knowing how to deal with an issue, could easily be taught through in-game tutorials.

[eager socket]

The whole point of 1.8 for carno is to allow it to challenge cera better which it should

[eager socket]

We’d need the later first to consider it

[woeful latch]

never had that issue, especially with the troodons, you can simply outrun them if you can’t fight.

omnis are pretty easy to kill, too easy i might say.

dilos clones are broken and hella op, it’s not carnos issue.

[cinder haven]

I like your idea. It would be nice to do something other than fighting and laying eggs.

[barren zephyr]

.... Yeah that's why I said I'm suggesting for the future, not today 💀 this wouldn't be a good thing to implement today. But would be great to implement later down the line

[eager socket]

Your either very good with carno or fighting bots

[barren zephyr]

Agreed, I want more PvE and player interaction outside of just killing each other

[cinder haven]

you don't have much of a chance against good utah players also trodons will find you, catch you, eat you, canro energy runs out fast (as there are no good troodn players)

[woeful latch]

no, you just need to know how to drift, when to drift, when you need to charge and when you need to run

[cinder haven]

arda trodon is broken now trodon I want to play trodon my friends

[eager socket]

[eager socket]

And all you need to know as a omni is when to turn left to dodge charge

[woeful latch]

dilos and omnis don’t stand a chance against the carno if it knows what to do

[woeful latch]

not really, carno being 60km/h can be super agile drifter

[eager socket]

And a skilled carno doesn’t stand a chance against half competent omni or dilo

[woeful latch]

it’s just not true

like actually

[eager socket]

You must be very skilled carno then

[woeful latch]

not really

[eager socket]

I legit bully carnos as solo omni all the time in its current build

I don’t play omni that much

[cinder haven]

I don't think he's going 60 kilometers an hour and he's going very fast.

[woeful latch]

i guess they’re bad or just new players.
and as a carno you have the best ability in this game, it’s called “running away”

[cinder haven]

I actually want to play omni but I think omni players are injured so I stay away

[eager socket]

The problem is a carno shouldn’t have too

[woeful latch]

in almost every scenario, you can simply run away, even when there’s 20 omnis running after you

[eager socket]

lol

[cinder haven]

but I'm planning to play ark trodon.

[cinder haven]

why don't they bleed you and why don't they follow you, they are already going stam like crazy, so the omnis don't know how to manage (unless you attack them and they run away)

[woeful latch]

the way it works is if you’re confident enough you can fight, if you’re not you can simply run away

[eager socket]

A carno should be able to 1v1 a cera and it be entirely skill based as it stands a carno needs to be 3 levels better than the cera to win and it shouldn’t require such a large skill gap

[cinder haven]

The only places where carno has a high winning rate are the plains, otherwise cera has too many advantages, so they always run away,

[eager socket]

Yea

[cinder haven]

Even if you're on the plain, I also think the diversity in the game has deteriorated, there was 1.3 cera and 1.8 now 2 sides at the same kg

[eager socket]

I mean they are both low tier Dino’s it’s not like they’ll mean much to anything else

[woeful latch]

there’s also a reason why it takes longer time to grow a carno and it’s pack limit is only 3.

carno has a lot of potential, it’s actually super good, you just need to know how to be good if you know what i mean.

calling carno bad and saying it can’t kill a single omni says a lot about player itself rather than a playable.

[cinder haven]

carno can also reach up to 1.8 kg

[woeful latch]

it doesn’t matter, what matters is the balance

[eager socket]

The reason is it used to be good and got giga nerfed and they never adjusted pack size

[eager socket]

What do you main?

[woeful latch]

huh?

[woeful latch]

i don’t main anything

play teno a lot tho

[eager socket]

If you don’t know the history on why it got nerfed I wouldn’t be talking

[eager socket]

Ah ya that checks out

[woeful latch]

lmao

[cinder haven]

can be stabilized :/

[woeful latch]

it wasnt even a nerf, its a lot better as a playable now.

[tight iron]

carno has an incredibly high skill ceiling, but there's only so much you can do

[cinder haven]

that's why so few people play, isn't it?

[tight iron]

balancing some things around bad players and some others around good players is probably not a good idea

[woeful latch]

thats what i am talking about, its like a teno, you can spam your attacks, or you can time attacks right and actually kill things

[cinder haven]

Well, as you say, walk around with 1.3 kg, be bullied by teno dilo and good omnis and walk around with very little mobility

[woeful latch]

i saw 5 carnos in a single pack yesterday.

i see a lot less tenos than before as well, doesnt mean its a bad playble

[cinder haven]

i am poor eu 1 horde test there are 120 people but no one is there i am so lonely

[woeful latch]

what are you on? when did you see a carno being bullied by a teno lol?

[tight iron]

carnos cant do jack against tenos

[cinder haven]

As a teno I can kill them very easily, they always run away from me.

[tight iron]

tenos casually bully 2-3 carnos

[cinder haven]

I mean, malesf can't right now.

[woeful latch]

tahts because they shouldnt hunt a teno.
theres still some that are really good and can fight it.

[cinder haven]

I'm so lonely

[woeful latch]

and if they cant fight a teno, they can always run away

same with the dilos

same with the omnis

all your arguments are weak when the carno can simply ourtun all of them

[cinder haven]

If I have to kill him, I won't attack him.

[woeful latch]

and if you're good, you can actually kill any small tier, doesnt matter if its an omni or a dilo, or any herbivore. you just need skill for that

[cinder haven]

I see teno, teno too much.

[woeful latch]

carno is not bad. you just need to know how to play right

[cinder haven]

I played the old canro for so long and suddenly they changed it and it's not easy to get used to it.

carno, if I'm playing now, it's for old times' sake.

[tight iron]

meh it's just bad

[woeful latch]

its literally not

[tight iron]

for what it's supposed to do, it sucks

[cinder haven]

A 1.3 kg dinosaur spins like 1.8

[woeful latch]

it doesnt. it just doesnt.

[cinder haven]

maybe

we have little chance against good players

[woeful latch]

use your brain, dont just mindlessly charge, time attacks right, drift. and you will kill things

[cinder haven]

why my diet has mai and diablo

[tight iron]

ya it does

the stats show that it just sucks

[woeful latch]

would it be better if maia and dibble wasnt on your diet? i dont get this complain lol

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

this is my stats xd

[cinder haven]

They weigh 3 tons and I weigh 1.3 kg. How can I kill them?

[woeful latch]

because not all the maias and dibbles are fully grown

its not in your diet only when its fg

you can kill juvies and subs

[tight iron]

well unless you're the best player you can't do much

[cinder haven]

ok

[woeful latch]

people think that carno is weak, because its common knowledge, right?

but if you actually test stuff yourself you will see that its not bad or weak.
in fact a carno can do a lot of damage to dilos and omnis and they just dont stand a chance against a carno.

and even if you're losing a fight as carno you can ALWAYS run away

its speed + drift is unmatched

[tight iron]

if you test it you'd know it's just bad

[cinder haven]

carno bad

[tight iron]

raptors and dilos completely dunk on carno rn

[woeful latch]

i did, i literally did

[woeful latch]

no?

i might agree with the dilos, but it’s just dilos being broken rn

clones are broken

[tight iron]

raptors still completely dunk on carno rn

[woeful latch]

but they will probably fix it at some point

[eager socket]

[cinder haven]

I'll tell you, there is no animal as empty as canro, even sub cera is beaten (it may be my fault a little) + I glued sub cera to his head with my stun move, it came as if nothing happened, he bit me, or whatever you call it, I think this carno is garbage right now.

[woeful latch]

they don’t

[tight iron]

they do

[woeful latch]

no, they don’t!

[tight iron]

yup they do

[woeful latch]

hmm… they in fact don’t!

[cinder haven]

we can't stun anything aq the guy came like sub 1 ton and hit me in the head aq bune carno bad you even sub cera is in a position to beat you