general-feedback-discussion

[tight iron]

without trying to discredit you, this dilo forgot it isn't legacy

[golden horizon]

fr 😂

[tight iron]

he forgor he can do shift w then thomas the train all the way to you like a carno

[golden horizon]

Ive been on the other end, and its much easier to kill omni as dilo, then killing a dilo as omni, but in the end its heavy skill matchup and 9/10 the more aggresive one wins

[tight iron]

ya

ive been on both ends 100000 times

[golden horizon]

@junior kite Not only do they have a back kick, but they also have a sidekick

[junior kite]

Really? So does that come as they bigger or is that automatic as they get older and what keys do you press to use it?

[golden horizon]

you have difrent attacks depending on what stance you are in

[junior kite]

How many stance are there for Mia?

[golden horizon]

you can change stance with space bar

two stances

[junior kite]

Also will it have a quicker healing then most players like in the previous for Legacy?

[golden horizon]

bipedal and quadrapedal

[junior kite]

Like a quick bleeding heal?

[golden horizon]

Not sure about all the stats, but i've heard their stomp ability does 350 dmg

their shove ability doesnt do much dmg but it can knock down smaller dinos if you hit them on the body or head

Their kicks does alot of damage too

Their alt attack in bipedal stance does good damage, but its reeealy slow, which makes them vulnerable to attacks

best combo rn is shove+stomp, im pretty sure it can oneshot raptors if they get hit in the head

[junior kite]

oof, well thank you for discussing this and enlightening me on the creature. It is actually one of my first and favorite animals I played when buying this game. I hope this will mean they will continue to work on this animal like all the rest.

[golden horizon]

Np 🙂
They released new patch today, you can check it out on "announcement"
They are definitely not done working on maia since it still has some problems few that i've noticed while playing is that juvie maia doesnt make sounds when it gets damaged, but also balance wise especially against cera.
If a fg maia spots a cera, its gg for the cera cause it can't run away and it only takes 3 stomps to kill

[radiant nest]

Currently it has extraordinarily fast healing. I fell and nearly died as a Maia the other day and healed to full hp in less than 5 minutes.

[junior kite]

Oh wow, that really is crazy, was this with genes or no genes?

[shut hare]

I like this idea.#general-feedback message But do not let it destroy the nest. This can be abused by larger dinos that they are supposed to help against. It may take time to regen honeycomb and negative effect of bees attacking transgressor remain

[brave trout]

#general-feedback message
@fast sail That's a very one sided suggestion.

You need to realize that sound traps works both ways.

If it can make Carnies spot Herbies that trigger a sound trap the same goes for carnies trying to stalk/sneak their preys and ends up messing their ambush because of some birds. There's a balance to meet here, too much sound traps would be a problem and no methods to avoid triggering them would also be another bigger problem.

[fast sail]

I do realize that, it works both ways, all playables would have to look out for them, especially heavier ones. If any carnies are actively setting up an ambush, chances are they wouldn't be sprinting around and would already be pretty careful of their surroundings, so that's fairly unlikely to happen.

And there is a method to avoid triggering them- They go through several sound-stages, say within ~40m you could already hear a faint sound, and if you get closer or sprint near them, they make more noise- But those noises aren't enough to give your position away, maybe I wasn't clear enough on that in the message, they serve to warn you that they are around so as to avoid triggering them.

[woeful latch]

@woven bane omg you were right, they’ve changed the camera

[woven bane]

yea they’ve done it before, just enough so that it isn’t really too noticeable

[eager socket]

@split saddle how and where were you for that to be night vision

[lapis crag]

@tame jetty alright. So I'm assuming it's because of the stomp stamina consumption. What's wrong with that idea?

[split saddle]

this is what nightvision for a baby stego looks like. i spawned in the woods almost inside a sanctuary. hardly moved before i took the photo.

[eager socket]

I’ll have to investigate

[tame jetty]

I atleast, idk bout the other people reacting to your post. Was thinking more of the stance stamina more drain suggestion
Idk bout the stomp stam, rn feel it's fine because maia do so little damage anyway so 🤷

[woeful latch]

it somehow messed up tenos agility lol, i can’t run in circles anymore

[woven bane]

yea felt a similar thing when playing cerato

[lapis crag]

I honestly woulda thought that was the less controversial suggestion

[woeful latch]

omg :(

tho maia has amazing camera…

[covert tiger]

lol no way
dilo is tankier, faster, and just need 2 bites and the raptor will immediately die to hallucinations
the matchup is extremely strongly in favor of dilo (the strongest carnivore in the game at the moment)

i have played over 200hrs of both omni and dilo and wrecked hundreds of ceras/omnis/carnos/dilos with both
There is literally no comparison

(and please, dont mention turning radius. a dilo can stand in one spot and alt attack to get its venom off)

[golden horizon]

NA omnis must be pretty bad then if its an autolose

But if u play well as omni you can win

sure u lose if you let the dilo bite you. but if omni uses its agility and get 5-6 bites, then the rest can be dealt with pounce

[covert tiger]

nope, it only depends on dilo skill
if the dilo is good, NO omni can beat it, not even the best omni in the world
if the dilo is bad and has no idea how to alt attack, then yes it'll die to a good omni player

[shut hare]

Seconding this. Dilo will win a 1v1 with omni. 2 raptors may be a challenge.

[golden horizon]

idk what to tell you, i've killed plenty of dilos as omni, but ig they must have all been bad according to your logic 🤷🏼‍♂️

[covert tiger]

yes so have i, probably killed far more dilos than you have over hundreds of hours
unfortunately they are bad, theres no other way to put it

cause when i play dilo, im way better than those dilos i killed, and i havent once in 200hrs died to an omni unless theres like 5 of them and i get grappled
the matchup is wayyyyy easier when im dilo

when you compare dinos in a 1v1, its important to think about both players having equal skill

[golden horizon]

Where do you get all this information about me from, we dont even play on the same servers and you make all these claims like they are facts xD

How do you know you have killed far more dilos then me? xD

[covert tiger]

i said probably
i dont have stats, but i know my kill count is in the many hundreds
which is enough for me to make that conclusion

[golden horizon]

But u dont even know how many hours i have in the game, so its just weird you make that conclusion

[eager socket]

If your a omni and lose to dilo during the day you should stop playing omni as it ain’t for you

[golden horizon]

facts

[covert tiger]

anyone who's played enough of both dinosaurs cannot possibly think that they are equal in a matchup
if you're suggesting so, then it just means you havent played enough of either of them

[eager socket]

That’s 1v1 mind you

If it’s a pack fight during day omni should almost always win only time dilo should win is with night advantage

[golden horizon]

when its a good omni and dilo its a 50/50 who wins, and if you would like to prove me wrong, we can play on Norden

[eager socket]

Respectfully on NA ya the omni pacts don’t tend to be as good or just not brave enough but if you use the pounce mechanic and your speed losing to a dilo isn’t a feat that should be happening

[covert tiger]

i would say when im an omni i win about 50% of the time
when im a dilo i win 95% of the time

i guess EU just has really terrible dilos if they're letting omni kill them in 1v1s, respectfully

[eager socket]

I’m NA and killing dilos in 1v1 and even 1v2 not that it’s easy by any means just good usage of omni advantages

Doesn’t need to get personal

[covert tiger]

respectfully im 27 but why the actual f-word does that matter?
this is where the conversation ends for me lol, you're clearly not interested in having a logical convo

[golden horizon]

no i just want to understand how he can make such a conclusion

[eager socket]

Check yourself man it didn’t need to go there

[covert tiger]

a massive amount of experience
gain some and maybe you'll be able to make similar conclusions

[eager socket]

Both yall stop being kids over a video game disagreement

If we are being honest it’s entirely a skill based match off who ever is better wins as both Dino’s are roughly the same power with different play styles entirely

[covert tiger]

yeah im out lol, this isnt worth continuing

[golden horizon]

but true its not that deep, have a good evening and sorry if i was rude, we can agree to disagree

[tight iron]

good dilo vs good raptor dilo always wins

raptor needs to have considerably more skill to win that

[tight iron]

wanna go norden

[golden horizon]

sry im off for today, but prob tomorrow

[woeful latch]

“go norden” sounds so much like “go mge” lmao

[tight iron]

i want some action 😭

[tight iron]

aye aye sir

go norden to run the 1s 😭

[woven bane]

what are you doing on live version lol

[tight iron]

im in ht rn

[woeful latch]

ok here’s the thing, the camera is really close to you only when you’re a juvie, it looks just like before once you reach 100 growth

or like around 70-77

[woven bane]

yea, but it looks closer on some dinos in particular. carno and herra

[woeful latch]

im gonna grow a fg teno and compare it

[short marsh]

yeah and basically anyone that have a good pc have the advantage of seeing his target before and further away... u really see people playing like that!? lol

[paper galleon]

I didn't know that fish now fly

[icy lion]

Tale as old as time #phase-two-archive message

[junior nymph]

@hollow stump we already have spino

[blissful nebula]

how am I supposed to do anything when I'm stuck in a tree? crying

[icy lion]

/unstuck

[mortal parrot]

@split saddle That could just be the twilight hour

[split saddle]

it lasted between 5-10min. that is still unacceptable considering im trying to play a game

[mortal parrot]

NV does depend on species, area, and weather

Twilight hour happens at the start/end of Night

[split saddle]

thank you for givine me the definition of what twilight is. however the whole point is im trying to play a video game, i shouldnt spend 5-10min in utter darkness where i cant see anything. its boring, i get up from my pc and walk away when it happens. and its also unbalanced playing against a similar sized predator that can actually see without a gamma exploit to do so

[mortal parrot]

I think the NV brightness is fine, the stencil range could just be increased

[real rain]

they are really easy to find in swamp, the sort of stone pillars provide gastroliths

you find them everywhere both in sanctuary and just in the normal swamp

[latent olive]

@real rain the rollbacks arent on purpose, the devs just tried to put a fix out today
#announcements message

[real rain]

ik but with an audio update it really confused me how they managed to make server saves bug

thing is they don't speak the same language ;-;

I would see trike and dibble being able to mixherd, teno and maia, galli and dryo

but simply because they somewhat look like each other and could have a related ancestor

[warped parcel]

@barren zephyr I like your idea, and I would personally add on that only certain genus of dinosaur (theropods, hadrosaurs, Ceratopsidae, etc) could co-mingle and have the chat possibility. Example: Triceratops and Diabloceratops could talk to one another, however could not converse with the Gallimimus due to them being a theropod.

[real rain]

stealing my comment so mean

[warped parcel]

Lol I didn't even read yours. But I like the similar mindset!!

[barren zephyr]

I like that idea, actually! Although, I think I would change it to being something like this:
A bronto cannot pack with anything but other sauropods.
A dibble can pack with other ceratopsians, and smaller herbis/omnis like galli, teno, dryo, etc.
Stego cannot pack with dibble, but can pack with smaller guys like galli, teno, dryo, etc.
Basically balance the packs so a massive titan can't pack with another slightly smaller titan lol. Dibble and Stego are very strong, and together feel a wee unfair, but still feels natural? Idk, feels complicated

[barren zephyr]

...yet

[real rain]

Like the idea of mixherding is cool, would add a reason why big group form but i also feel like balance shoudn't be the goal. Ok fine a stego is mixpacking with a galli but how is a 6 ton titan related to a 500kg goose . . . they are basicly not the same :/ maybe if they did it on MZ it would be cool since they changed the stego mz to be different that dibble

[warped parcel]

The issue I see there though is Stegosaurus were suspected to be rather aggressive herbivores. So them sticking with their own was likely. Then we run into the issue of Ceratopsian dinosaurs. They eat a lot and likely would only allow their own kind. Galli and Dryo Im sure would be dinosaurs that might stick around the big guys. But the tenos maybe not. Tenos are ornithopods that would likely stick with dryos. One in the same type thing.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah. Not sure how I would personally balance it, I just would. lol

[warped parcel]

Yeah there would definitley need to be balance

I would seperate by genus. It seems you may seperate by stats, which is also a good thing to think about. Both valid points.

[eager socket]

Dunno about inviting mix packing herbs has always been considered far more acceptable than carnivores. I personally want a local voip for same species but they probably won’t

[dawn goblet]

Is there an unlatching bug? I've noticed when I pounce, it no longer lets go when I let up the mouse button. Many times to my demise...

[limber hull]

you need to press space to jump off

[dawn goblet]

🤦‍♂️

[storm aurora]

i feel like 50% isnt that insane when u think that we are dinosaurs and we should be able to run more than a few seconds without getting exhausted. sure for some the stamina is ok like deino. but when you are a raptor designed for running and you have to catch ur breath every few seconds like a dad at his daughters sport practice it gets annoying.

[limber hull]

the old stamina system let you run for less than half the time the new one does. it just takes longer to regen

[storm aurora]

and i never said the old stamina was perfect. i feel like the current stam regen is ok actually. i feel like the rate it decreases is absurd.

[limber hull]

it decreases much slower than it did in the prior system tho lol

[storm aurora]

when using special attacks like pounce or carnos old charge yes this is true. but for simply running it went down slower for carno omni and cera. i went back to and old video and u can clearly see that stamina was better for just simple running

[limber hull]

no, running def went down faster in the prior old version, i've seen the numbers

[storm aurora]

lets say im wrong and it does go down slower now. it still goes down to fast for a literal
dinosaur.

[limber hull]

sure, but days pass too fast, weather changes too fast, food drains too fast, wounds heal too fast, dinos grow too fast, stamina regenerates too fast

if we're talking literally, then all of those would take longer

[urban flax]

Remember, comparing a dinosaur's or any animal's stamina to a human's isn't fair, as humans have exceptional stamina compared to other animals

We don't belong in the same league

If anything, the new stamina system is more realistic to how a dino's stam probably worked

[storm aurora]

yea true humans have amazing stamina. i feel like a dinosaur running for a few seconds and then needing stamina is pretty unrealistic. i could be wrong tho. dinosaurs could have had terrible running capabilities but i doubt it

[urban flax]

If we assume dinosaurs had stamina similar to that of any other animal, yes they would need to rest for much longer than they could run

In facr, if the dev team wanted to be fully realistic, trotting would consume stamina, not restore it

[limber hull]

it used to not regen stamina

but then there were riots in the streets, fires in the buildings and gunshots in the air

so they added stam threshholds

[junior nymph]

using realism is not a good way to balance a game leads to disaster due to you just being able to run think of maia for example i have seen people saying nerf its stam so if we had your stam of making it go down slower and yes 50% is crazy this is meant to be a game not a real life simulator if you want that go on saurian and yes IK its a dead game with no updates but thats something based on real life they used people who specialized in dinosaurs to make faithal reconstructions like the Tyrannosaurus rex and Triceratops but looking into the lore of this game (yes ik) the dinos were not prehistorically acurate at all take the hypos meant to be killing machines always starving if you wanted REAL LIFE the growths would be alot longer due to day night cycle along with food having to be slowed same with water bodies would rot slower leading to worse performance personally I do not mind the stam system due to it being good you can say ' you are a raptor designed for running and you have to catch ur breath every few seconds like a dad at his daughters sport practice it gets annoying.' just trot my guy dont waste all your stam in a few minutes reserve it incase you need it later on and trust me I have caught alot of players sprinting their whole stam bar just to get caught out and die I do agree some things need to be tweaked like pt stam regen but then again they are making air currents and thermals so you dont have to use stam and you can fly across the whole map in short case stam system is fine rn some things can be looked into later on in the game rn its in a good state if you wanted bad stam look to spiro or start of gateway.

[limber hull]

@keen obsidian that's planned for this hordetest/update, actually

[keen obsidian]

oh sweet!

[icy lion]

@marsh snow Do you know what evrima is?

[frozen pivot]

@green niche it makes no sense how you can gestate eggs without a male but you need a male to lay the eggs that are already ready

[green niche]

Well, i can understand being able to gestate them without a male - birds like chickens do that

however once fully gestated they should not be able to be fertilised

[frozen pivot]

Yeah the male's role should be enabling gestating viable eggs, not enabling laying the eggs

[urban flax]

I don't think nesting needs to be made harder or more complicated

[peak fiber]

it's accurate to how eggs work irl

like not gestation wise, but there needs to be exceptions bc its a game

[frozen pivot]

Yeah but there's no need for gestating unfertilized eggs from a gameplay prespective. The male's current role doesn't really make sense imo

[peak fiber]

it just makes it less time consuming to nest

[urban flax]

You gestate them before so you can lay eggs earlier once you find a male to pair with

[green niche]

tbh i think this would actually make it easier to nest - idk about other people, but the thing that primarily prevents me from nesting is:

1. sticks in mouth bug
2. the male unexpectedly dying before i can lay the eggs

[frozen pivot]

You didn't need gestation before, I don't see how it's making things faster

[green niche]

you do need to gestate eggs tho

its already in the game

[urban flax]

And you would solve that by making it harder to have fertilized eggs ?

[frozen pivot]

Yeah its more realistic but its not a convenience to have gestation before laying the eggs

[green niche]

we already have to gestate the eggs in the game

that is a thing. that is literally already in the game

[peak fiber]

their message in #general-feedback actually explains it better, and it does make sense. it would honestly be a cool change QOL and gameplay wise

[frozen pivot]

Yeah I'm not saying remove gestation, maybe the pairing could assign the current eggs in the female with the male she paired with, enabling her to lay those eggs as that male as the father even if he dies or leaves

[peak fiber]

yeah

[urban flax]

What I understand from the message is
-can no longer fertilize fully gestated unfertilized eggs, which are then lost I guess
-for some species, females can't even make a nest themselves so even if they can keep fertilized eggs after pairing with a male and then the male dies, they can't make a nest to lay their eggs

[green niche]

and for others, they would be able to make a nest by themselves. and for other, anyone in the group can help build

[urban flax]

I screwing over specific species really needed ?

[peak fiber]

well obviously the changes wouldn't be verbatim what Sparky said, there would be tweaks. fully gestated eggs could stay the same

[frozen pivot]

Yeah I don't think so, maybe some species could need another member in the group to start building the nest? And more solitary animals could build it by themselves

[peak fiber]

it could also help encourage group gameplay

[green niche]

that i mostly thought would be a fun element to add more life and individualism to different species (but also i wouldnt want it for anything more complicated than like. a hypsi or something. because with anything more difficult to keep alive it would just be a nightmare)
but honestly if y'all dont like that part, fair enough
My main concern is being able to lay the eggs without having to be paired tbh

[green niche]

yeah. that would be cool

it would also be rather cool for highly social animals to be able to share nests

or perhaps even, like ostriches, all the females lay their eggs in one nest, where the dominant females eggs get the safest spot at the centre of the nest

[peak fiber]

oooh nesting ground buffs 🤤

[green niche]

although lets be real. the biggest fix nesting needs is to have that sticks bug taken care of!

[sly raft]

does anyone know if the devs have mentioned whether they’re working on fixing nesting for unofficials for the new update (after maia hordetest)?

[peak fiber]

true, but doesn't /unstuck fix it? even if it's annoying

[icy lion]

#announcements message

[green niche]

oh hell yeah

[peak fiber]

let's goooo 🎉

[green niche]

ill finally be able to nest as a ptera

[mortal merlin]

What do y’all think about increasing the stamina for troodon ?

[green niche]

hm... i think its fine as long as you are smart about its usage and also about what dinosaurs you go up against - i find i dont struggle to survive as troodon. however i have not played it as much as i have other dinosaurs. i also have not yet died to troodons when playing other dinosaurs, so perhaps they could use a slight buff
so i think: i dont think its needed but i also dont think id care much if they were given slightly better stamina

[boreal briar]

@worldly remnant may I interest you in a chocolate coated #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 ?

[worldly remnant]

👍 - oh yes, forgot about that, i#ll do

[mortal merlin]

A slight buff would make traveling as a troodon more tolerable

[mortal merlin]

Has the nesting material bug finally been fixed?

[indigo gulch]

@tacit steppe they are aware it’s an issue and they are trying to fix it. Give it time.

[desert arch]

I also heard hard-logging saves your dino normally

currently in the process of testing it

[indigo gulch]

That requires you to have the stomach+water for it tho

[mortal merlin]

What do y’all think about fixing the caves so that they also mask the rain sounds and not just the man-made buildings?

[icy lion]

@neat swan Pretty sure that's already doable

[neat swan]

oh okay, then I´ll edit it. Ty for telling :)

[marsh snow]

I was sleeping, but yes I do lol

[icy lion]

Alright since in evrima you have to have a male and female to nest

[marsh snow]

Ah, I see- again, I still do think a more in depth nesting system would be cool

[keen temple]

Yeah I haven’t seen any word on that either tbh, makes me wonder if it’s just certain servers? Cuz some of the other unofficial servers (Such as P.A.C.K) are still able to nest

[sly raft]

😠 ughhh… very frustrating

[keen temple]

Agreed, just avoiding the isle atm tbh with u. Just watching for updates on the nesting on some of the unofficial servers and then what’s going on with Mai

Kinda surprised the Allo didn’t release with it, just watched a vid of it absolutely destroying 6 ceras and people asking for a nerf

But people forget the Cera is supposed to be a scavenger not a hunter🙃

But then again, what’s supposed to combat it if the cera is a scavenger rather than a hunter and it’s currently the apex land predator.

Herbis are super OP atm

We have the Diablo, Stego, and now the Mai who are practically invincible once past 75% with the stun mechanics that they have and the amount of dmg they do each hit

And then we have… Cera… who was literally designed for Scavenging 🥲🥲🥲

[odd shell]

guys is there a problem with dinos saving?

twice now ive mostly grown a cera, safelogged, next day it's gone

[icy lion]

@keen temple You know rex is next yea? And allo's being worked on?

[keen temple]

Yeah but it should’ve been released together then, something to combat the others

The Rex seems like to much this early on as well in my opinion, like I understand why it’s being pushed out the way it is and I am excited for it

But we went from little little little, some mid (that are 90% herbis that can’t ever be challenged by much Carnis unless in giant packs) and then to literally the King of Carnis🥲

What’s gonna kill the Rex now😭

[radiant nest]

I think the order of playables is moreso defined by development speed than anything else right now

[icy lion]

Rex was on track to release before maia, but maia was developed faster because it's less complex

[icy lion]

Trike, groups of stegos, anything when the rex is smaller

[keen temple]

I can see the stegos, for sure 100% cuz they’re pretty OP

Idk just feels like we’re jumping around in my opinion, going from small stuff to sudden giant things rather than setting a healthy middle ground of slowly climbing the ladder up

And I’m not whining about what’s gonna happen in the future cuz I’m sure it’s gonna be great

[icy lion]

The devs are working on rex and trike so they have a lot of time to flesh out their mechanics and set an effective power cap for the creatures

[keen temple]

But as of right now, the Herbis are absolutely dominating and the Carnis don’t really stand a chance against any of them

[keen temple]

Yeah I understand that and I appreciate all the work they do, truly I do

[radiant nest]

Yeah it’s basically like setting the game’s groundwork so the ecosystem won’t make sense for a little while

[keen temple]

Yeah that’s fair as well, but it just sucks when things are released with the stats that actually fit it and feel comfortable for that species but then everyone is yelling about nerfing/changing the stats entirely just because their literally OP

Which just causes this mess to arise

I love the devs work, I fully understand what they’re doing and their hard work, absolutely I do. I’m just a bit disappointed is all, especially when their hard work, and the balancing does feel right for that creature is being bashed because nothing competes against it

Cuz then when nerfs/buffs happens then it just messes with the creatures and how they feel at the end of the game

Like what’s happened with the Carno

[radiant nest]

Yeah I understand that sentiment. Though, I still think adding new playables is not gonna balance things that are fundamentally op in certain already existing matchups, cause those matchups still need to feel decent in the future. Like dibble vs Maia needs to be looked at instead of just adding allo, yknow?

[keen temple]

Poor guy has been nerfed/buffed in order to form around the current gameplay even though he felt correctly balanced when he was first released

[keen temple]

Why not? The allo would be a perfect counter part to both those parties. By making it as the prime hunter of said parties it evens it out, an eye for an eye balancing.
This doesn’t mean make the allo so OP nothing can kill it, but if two Mai’s face two allo’s then stakes are high on both parties. As they balance against one another, yeah allo may be a bit stronger but not by much, at least one of each party is basically a guaranteed death due to facing one another. Or at least both parties severely injured

The fact that I walk around as a Solo Steg and I feel fully safe walking amongst a pack of 6 ceras is absolutely insane

Because I know full well that I’m going to win

No matter what

[radiant nest]

I mean more like Maia needs to be nerfed in some small ways cause dibble is entirely invalidated by it because Diablo can’t run or fight it. So if you don’t nerf Maia, then no one plays Diablo even if Maias are a little less common because of allos

[keen temple]

Or I feel completely safe against 3 adult deinos as a solo steg as well

[keen temple]

I do agree to some aspects of this, but at the same time what’s supposed to challenge the Mai? A cera? A scavenger?

If u put a coyote against a horse even as a pack

[radiant nest]

And I’m not saying that all matchups need to be perfectly fair but every playable should be able to survive when all others are also somewhere on the map

[keen temple]

The horse is gonna win, yeah not unscathed but it’s gonna win

[radiant nest]

Oh yeah no I agree that Maia needs a better larger predator but just saying that adding a predator won’t nerf the creature, just decrease its population a bit

[keen temple]

Yeah that’s a problem too 😮‍💨 and that’s why I believe and have suggested adding a species server cap. Make it where only a certain amount of people can play as a certain species on the server at a time, the only time the number can increase is nesting (cuz let’s be honest 3/5 kids are gonna survive long enough especially with species caps.) I think that would help balance out the game as well

Idk I’m just gonna step away from The Isle for now, watch from afar and see how the game develops

[radiant nest]

Yeah that’s a really good idea imo

@torpid void btw I downvoted your suggestion not because I think cera is balanced but because I don’t think most of the things you listed are the reasons why it’s overpowered. I recently made a feedback post about the one major thing I’d do to help balance cera more based on nerfing its offensive/hunting capability rather than its defensive or scavenging capabilities. #general-feedback message

[torpid void]

Yes sure, however I think that getting passive buffs for doing absolutely nothing is stupid. If it got these things after doing something it would be ok. For example his swent should be that good only if you managed to have perfect diet and be that good as long as you maintain it. This kinda makes it somewhat skillful and choose what to hunt to be better not blindy killing whatever comes your way because why not.

[boreal briar]

My god, has Fuzzy finally blocked the bot that gives you the ✅ and ❌ emotes? He blocked people who downvoted him so maybe he finally blocked the bot. His last 2 is posts haven't had any reactions

[torpid void]

@radiant nest imagine if Diablo for example had a passive that if you attack it head on it impale you and make you bleed because you fell on its horns. Without him do nothing like attacking. That's stupid. That's what I'm saying for cera, it's stupid to have so many things passively just because you are alive and play this dino. 😆

[radiant nest]

I honestly don’t see an issue with it cause it pushes it into its niche and, most importantly, is very avoidable.

[radiant nest]

That’s what I was thinking

[torpid void]

@radiant nest you missing the point my friend.

[tired zinc]

Guys any news about allosaurus?

[boreal briar]

None that I've heard but I don't pay much attention to up and coming dinosaurs unless they're being shown in like phase 3 or steam announcements

I was gonna point you to #isle-phase-three but that was Acro pictures they just posted not Allo

@agile stirrup at least it's real easy to run around them to hide, but I agree. The little stinker could be a bit faster, or them a bit slower

[green niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1316523448964743261
thinking on this, most of the dinosaurs should have a much wider field of view, particularly the herbivores since many if not all have eyes on the side of their head - this adaptation gives many prey animals near 360* field of view
while, understandably, such a large fov would be uncomfortable for players to look at and perhaps give too much advantaged to the hunted, i feel dinos that should have monocular vision should have a wider field of view (a compromise might be making the edges of the vision blurry, with perhaps more desaturated colours)

[woven bane]

yea this camera change is also on some carnivores, really annoying and should get reverted

[woeful latch]

its also so uncomfortable when you can’t zoom out to literally just see your own tail

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Imma be honest
I watched both videos like 10 times and I fail to see whatever has changed with the camera

In fact I only noticed which one was on HT after watching them for the 8th time

[woeful latch]

it’s not easy to see it that way, let me find a video for you

it doesn’t look that bad from the side

[cunning atlas]

The thing is, on dinos such as the teno (and maybe the stego) seeing the tip of your tail is important. Not an easy change to see but has a huge impact imo

[urban flax]

Ok but the two videos are exactly the same in terms of visibility and FOV

[cunning atlas]

i can see a slight difference, however he was sprinting in the evrima one and not in the HT one.

[woeful latch]

again, it’s not as bad if you look from the side, i’m sending a video rn with the look from the back

discord is being slow and silly, give me a minute

[urban flax]

It's gonna be a short minute then because I need to go to sleep

[cunning atlas]

that seems alot bigger now, jeez

[woven bane]

yea, idk why they did this

[urban flax]

Ok I see it now
There's a small difference

[woeful latch]

idk why maia has such wide FOV

heres 2 more clips

[woeful latch]

its not "small" lol, its significant, especially for the dino that uses mostly its tail during the fight

[boreal briar]

@cunning atlas my guess is because last time they mentioned camera changes people started screeching, even though it was a proof of concept.

As for other changes, maybe they also like to give us something to explore during the HT rather than having it all spelled out? It does take quite a bit of time to put together, so maybe they prefer to wait until full release.

I've had 0 issues with any camera changes that might have happened on other dinosaurs, never played Teno on it though

[fair jetty]

@lavish shoal regarding your suggestion: #general-feedback message I'm not sure why you personally dmed me since we don't know each other, but I think your suggestion would benefit greatly from being expanded upon, when you say that carno should be the same size as maia, what do you mean exactly, are you advocating that it go back to 1800kg where its height matches maia, or are you suggesting that it should have its weight increased above that. While I agree that Carno is in a rough state right now, I think that the issue is the fact that Carno has been made to fill a niche that does not suit it. If Carno was to be changed allowing it to hunt larger creatures, it would need to have other aspects of its current kit nerfed to keep it balanced. Carno is currently balanced in its current role (even though many of us who play Carno may not like its current role). In order to keep Carno fair any buffs to its size or damage would have to come at a cost to its agility or the utility of its charge. The reason Carno can charge the way it can on live branch is because it is now smaller, buffing Carno's size without rolling back the improvements to charge would be unbalanced.

[woven bane]

this honestly. current carno gotta go imo

[woeful latch]

yeah, especially with the maia being in the game

[lapis crag]

Maia has shown that old Carno while strong is less of an issue then people perceived at the time. That said, I do think the role the devs want to give Carno does make sense and does work for the ecosystem the roster will create. Problem is it is not in a good place to capitalize on this new role. Really it's the same role it always had because the bigger playables are only just starting to make their way into the game aside from Stego.

[cunning atlas]

yeah probably, its a split playerbase, id prefer that i know what im getting into.

[boreal briar]

I can understand

[agile stirrup]

nah i mean it is, but troodon has horrible stamina. idrk if it’s meant to be an endurance hunter like a wolf but the stam is awful and it can’t run down it’s “primary intended prey” which are usually babies or juvis with hella stam.

the maia running them down is just ridiculous, i think overall maia probably needs to be slower bc it’s catching up to things it really shouldn’t as a prey animal

[boreal briar]

Mh, honestly the little guy seems more like he's a baby/juvie killer, or a swarm hunter xD

Least with its current kit that's all it can really do. It's awful trying to slowly kill something since they can usually just out-trot you so you need to waste stamina.

[wintry cipher]

Can someone explain why the devs would want to change the camera to first person? That whole situation happened before i came back to the game and I'm quite puzzled why thats even a thing because of one reason:

...how are you supposed to know when to time attacks that go behind you if you cant see your own rear?

[icy lion]

They don't

[wintry cipher]

Okay so im just crazy then 😂 ty

[limber hull]

this isnt true. those videos you've watched on the matter have misinformed you. diablo is perfectly capable of putting up a fight and goring maia

[radiant nest]

i used it moreso as an example, tbh i havent actually watched any videos on it

[limber hull]

the issue we had on "maia kills dibble" was everything to do with the fact that for the first patch on HT, there was no headshot hitbox

so guess how that made dibble fare in any matchup

an animal which has a majority of its defense plan reliant on a working head hitbox lol

[boreal briar]

I think they were interested in camera changes and showed an example on stream that had a close camera. It just something they were playing with for camera positions it could even have just been a change to how cameras zoom in on the dinosaurs. But people screamed and cried so much that they stopped doing streams for a bit, I'm unsure if they've had more where it was actual development work being shown since I don't really look.

[limber hull]

mountain out of a molehill

#general-feedback message

also carno absolutely should not threaten dibble or maia what lmao

[sweet scarab]

carno is a small game hunter, at least in the eyes of the devs, so carno being able to hunt dibbles or maias is a bit absurd

would have been nice if allo was released with maia so it wasn't dominating the hordetest

[limber hull]

Honestly, i dont think maia isn't that dominating. Hell, this is bog-standard behaviour for any hordetest

New animal comes out, everyone's playing it, that's just how it is. Besides, maia is actually quite huntable for raptors and dilos, even troodons, much moreso than diablo imho

[sweet scarab]

yeah, but cerato does get shafted quite a bit, and we all seen what happens when a strong herbivore comes in. it gets played often

[limber hull]

cerato needs to reassess how best to play, honestly. It's gotten far to used to being able to go any and everywhere and fight any and everything with little to no consequence. maia presents a threat to it and cerato doesnt know how to deal with it because its not used to having that threat

if cerato simply exists near a forest, it basically has a surefire way to escape maia

[white plover]

Gesturing at all the teno players swarming the isle in anticipation for the Maia release

[sage plover]

#general-feedback message @heady quarry
they also arnt fully implemented yet, which looks like will happen with new ui

[heady quarry]

great to hear! just wanted to provide some feedback while its still in the works

[sage plover]

yea of course, just wanted to let you know that it seems you have to actually find the stone, so the current hunger drain is just from the forage it seems, and when you find a stone that will probably be the main hunger drain

[heady quarry]

Oh.. I see.. I haven’t come across that yet, so I’ll have to look more carefully next time I’m on. Thanks!

[sage plover]

I havnt either, as dondi said, ui is coming for it eventually so we can tell

[covert tiger]

@olive burrow bruh deino has the easiest diet out of any dino in this game
Fish (after cooking) give you 16% dots and restore 16% hunger at all stages of growth
The size of the fish you catch scales with deino
Once you're past 100kg (which literally takes 15min) you can easily hunt elite fish for lines

[limber hull]

remove the stupid fish cooking please for the love of god

[graceful thorn]

The feedback was not made in regard to the difficulty of the diet, but rather the scarcity of fish ai in certain spawn locations. Which I also agree is pretty scarce. Players shouldn't feel obligated to try and respawn in hopes of getting a "better spawn", each spawn should be able to sustain the creature spawning there until they're big enough to move on, that doesn't mean each creature should be guaranteed survival, but at least a chance. Which is a sore spot for most carnivores currently.

Deino's spawns are bit tough as they just do not spawn fish in most, maybe the exception being Dam, and given the immense size of swamp, there should be more natural fish spawns there. Swam around there for 45 minutes with no fish, frogs, or even land ai spawning

[limber hull]

elite fish probably do need to see some frequency in the swamp

or some kind of other swamp creature to hunt in there

[graceful thorn]

Yeah I like spawn aesthetically, but man I really shouldn't have to worry about starving in a swamp, which typically should have more fish than other spots

[lunar kiln]

why did they delete my feedback??

[icy lion]

Read the channel description and pinned messages of #phase-three-requests before using it

[lunar kiln]

? and?

I simply put what I wanted in phase 3

[icy lion]

#phase-three-requests is not for suggestions for the game

[lunar kiln]

but this could be shown

but that's okay, I put it somewhere else lol

[lavish shoal]

Therefore, my dear friend, the features i have already mentioned should be brought back to carno, that is, carno should return to the state in which it did not receive these nurfs. I am not arguing here that it should be the same size and power as the maia, but that it should be restored to its former state. best regards,

[agile stirrup]

Yeah but also as a fg troodon you probably not catching most babies, outside of cera because they're slow. Cause their stam drain sucks for endurance hunters which have to chase down fast babies basically an infinite stamina pool

[teal fulcrum]

#general-feedback message
deino can't catch just about anyone until he's 30-40% height. at the same time, the elite fish hunts deino up to 9% of his growth, and at the beginning of the game, the nutrient is only 30%. first try to grow deino when you have only elite fish, which is not so much food, and then demand to cancel the diet of small fish. i agree that the small fish dots diet should only be removed if the old deino weight is returned when he starts the game at 200kg weight

[boreal briar]

Hm? you can kill any baby as a troodon really. Aside from maybe Carno or Gali if it runs from you

[grizzled matrix]

@tame jetty You meant "Sparring" right?

[gusty flax]

@tame jetty wtf is sparling

[tame jetty]

Yes, I'll rewrite it lmao

[grizzled matrix]

It's a type of fish i think

[gusty flax]

lol

i dont see how sparring can work for every creature

[tame jetty]

English not my first language, so I had a brain fart ig with misspelling it lmao, had to go off memory of how it sounded

[indigo gulch]

counterpoint: Most of the other carnivores (aside from ptera) can get at least 2 kinds of diet. Deino already has the longest growth, limiting the growth rate is much more punishing for them than other playables. Also, you physically cant hunt anything for ages as a young deino.

[wintry cipher]

Can deinos eat frogs and get diet or no?

[junior nymph]

they can

[desert arch]

They can, it gives s. But above 1T they dont even gain 1% diet from it

And they are pretty rare

[wintry cipher]

Okay good. Im ngl every dino carnivore or otherwise should be able to get what they need to survive from the AI and environment alone. Maybe not be full 300% and full stomach, but as a survival game that would fit the bill for me.

Perhaps in the case of bullfrogs, elite fish, and small fish, that would cover all 3 diet options up to a point, and then maybe deino has to switch to other more sustainable methods. We dont have AI dinos in yet tho and i know those are planned, so maybe its just an awkward phase atm.

[indigo gulch]

I just dont get why rotting fish, which takes around 7 minutes btw, giving you diet is a problem

[desert arch]

It also exposes your general location to every other player around

Be it another deino, or a land animal

[tight iron]

ppl dont want deinos to have diet available that freely

me personally i think it's good to let deinos maintain a solid diet to make it less miserable

specially since how miserable deino's growth is

[indigo gulch]

yeaaaaah....

[tight iron]

from playing deino, well, it's just miserable

[gloomy thicket]

@tame jetty Explain your reasoning

[gloomy thicket]

Genuinely so curious as to why people think maia isn't too fast or consumes too much stamina in its bipedal stance, when it can knock all of the roster (bar stego) over and then stomp them with that speed, and those it can;t catch it can out stam. Why do 3 people think that's fine? Beyond them being said maia players lmao

Make it make sense

[lunar kiln]

?

again lol

my feedback

[indigo gulch]

What was the feedback?

[boreal briar]

@gloomy thicket i mean.. what's the 700kg animal? Just because you're lighter doesn't mean you're faster. A 700kg dibble for example, why wouldn't I be able to run that stubby legged potato down? I do think it's a bit fast, but I'm not really sure if that's just feeling like a bigger problem with everyone playing them and herding together.

[gloomy thicket]

Dilo

One Maia shouldn't be able to sprint down and put stam a dilo

One of the other, it shouldn't have crazy speed and godly stamina, not for what it's meant to be

[boreal briar]

Mh, I guess. But there's always going to be something like that I feel. Either way, it's going to be changed shortly, all the new releases are sooner or later

[indigo gulch]

Also oreo, any particular reason why you think that awful turning on deino is necessary?

Cuse the only thing is does is make it awful to run from cannis

[boreal briar]

I haven't seen how bad it can be, but to be fair I hated how we spun on a dime before. It made fighting other deinos janky

[indigo gulch]

This is much worse tho…

[boreal briar]

The turning radius can be tightend maybe, but I don't want it like it was before

[indigo gulch]

Bro you can’t even turn properly. Maia turns better than deino atm and that’s supposed to be its weakness

If I see a canni coming, I will lose too much time trying to turn in order to swim away

[coarse spruce]

I know people hate deino but damn, that crocodile is going to be crushed underfoot from all the heavyweights that are being added in addition to these nerfs

[boreal briar]

It's something they're trying out. It might not be bad when they adjust the radius or maybe let you turn sharper while at a standstill. I'm game for it honestly, it just needs tweeks

[boreal briar]

Neat, so maybe even a bug?

[indigo gulch]

Hopefully

[woven bane]

btw why did u disagree with my suggestion? just curious

[icy lion]

I like that it's closer to the dino, but I wish the FOV was a tad wider

[woven bane]

eh but it was kinda unnecessary imo. you could scroll the mouse wheel to get the camera closer, if it were to be reverted it would make everyone satisfied

[woeful latch]

you actually deleted my feedback just because you didn’t agree? because i didn’t repost anything💀

[icy lion]

You made an actual, well-thought out and descriptive post about the camera changes less then 24 hours ago, and this morning said the same thing but in just a sentence instead of being descriptive

It was, for all intents and purposes, the same suggestion

If I deleted it because I "didn't agree" then Flows' wouldn't be here either, would it?

[woeful latch]

i was talking about same thing, but that wasn’t “repost”

[coarse spruce]

@tulip ice I'm actually of the opinion OVIRAPTOR should get mimic because of its application to nest raiding. With the right audio cues, the parents protecting the nest will respond and make an opening for the thief to dart in. Either it's going to the rescue of one of their "children" or preparing for combat if they hear a fake raptor/dilo call

[urban flax]

I really don't think mimicry could ever work for nest raiding

It has to be a pretty dumb parent to hear a "baby" call from bushes outside of their field of view and go investigate, leaving their nest without care

Especially once people are aware oviraptor exists

[young arch]

@woven bane what camera chances are you referring to? I haven't noticed a difference

[woven bane]

here, a clip from @woeful latch

[young arch]

I'm having a hard time seeing the issue, is it the height of the camera?

[woven bane]

no it’s noticeable closer

[woeful latch]

heres better example

[young arch]

Ah, okay I can kinda see it now

[eager socket]

Are troodons ever gonna get a mimic ability or has that just been hashed

[dusky apex]

ceolcanths (old big fish) just ate my deino but just kinda deleted my dino without doing anything

it didn't delete my dino I was wrong, it shoved me underground

[icy lion]

@true dagger You can still get oneshot on tail hits depending on the attack

Tail tip hits make you take like 0 damage, but tail base can still chunk you

[true dagger]

true but as i said he didnt even touch me so its kinda weird i died from that

[limber hull]

it cant do either. dilo sprints for longer and has more stam, unless the maia takes a mutation and the dilo doesnt, which is more of an issue with mutations, not maia.

i very much disagree with a maia speed nerf, it would basically take away the most fun and interesting part of that entire animal's kit, because god knows it ain't a fighter

[north quiver]

I’m still baffled how combat mutations haven’t been removed yet

I yearn for the day where I feel like I don’t have to pick certain meta combinations to not get annihilated

[woven bane]

maia does not have less stamina lmao

[woeful latch]

and maia doesnt use any stamia using most of its attacks

[buoyant narwhal]

I enjoy speed Maia, but I agree it needs some kind of nerf. I think stamina would be fair

Might promote more of a “stay the hell away from Maia” gameplay style for carnis like Cera (unless you’re backed by a squad)

[hexed lily]

fun game but could you guys add a little more ai around the map not much just a little more i die to starvation more than anything else, could yall add either a way to spawn with are buddys or give us the option to pick a spawn would be great thank you and keep up the great work

[trail schooner]

TurkishDlite made a video about ai spawns or you can just follow the roads throughout the map, ai tend to follow roads

[hexed lily]

i find some like that very rarely still

[agile stirrup]

and raptor, just speaking from my personal recent experiences where the babies available were the fast ones

[junior nymph]

@odd sage just make teno semi aquatic 😦

[odd sage]

i would like them more semi aqautic for sure but im sure you have played enough to know that teno will not be some chill water dwelling dino. they tend to get bored and become death squads. im thinking more underwater foraging types

[junior nymph]

yeah but you can still be a chill water dwelling dino if you want its up to the player not the dino I have been a chill teno and I have also been a evil teno its up to how your feeling.

but I do agree I would love a chill swiming herbi living in waterbodies like ponds

thats why I want sucho (not a herbi but will be prob in ponds and small shallow rivers)

[limber hull]

@frigid canopy we'll be getting spawn codes to spawn with friends in this horde test

[frigid canopy]

How will it work? I just put in a code he gives me and I spawn near him?

[limber hull]

i believe so, yes

[junior nymph]

@sullen ivy how did it die out?

seems dead guys

[limber hull]

its so over

what is this, the 20th time the game has died?

i lost count

[junior nymph]

fr\

[hidden mist]

Are there going to be open groups for this by the way? Or only joining via code?

[limber hull]

cant tell you since idk

[tight iron]

the only time where saying that would be "valid" would be summer when the player count didn't rise as usual

[junior nymph]

code I think

[tight iron]

but thats about it

[junior nymph]

but it did not drop to bad to the point of 'being dead'

[tight iron]

not at all

probably means dead as in fun sucked out

[hidden mist]

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message

[eager socket]

@shut hare that’s same Dino spawn right?

[shut hare]

What do you mean?

[boreal briar]

I understand the ❌ @icy lion... What I don't get is why you are now back to spooky lol, did you change back to it from a winter name? I thought it was Christmas themed already xD

[icy lion]

halloween never dies

though i cant believe its already been two months since lol

[boreal briar]

Yeap, time flies. But now I just want it to be Spring already x) I hate winter, and shoveling.

[eager socket]

Your suggestion on party spawn it’s only if they play the same Dino ya?

[shut hare]

That was my presumption, yes, since you can only have the same species in your group.

[eager socket]

I dunno mix packing as been at a all time high

[boreal briar]

Yes but as far as I know it's not endorsed by the Devs. The friend code system was something the devs themselves came up with (I think)

[eager socket]

Ya I don’t have the time to watch the streams as they are usually at like 1/3 am my time

[boreal briar]

Ah, I haven't seen any of their streams either honestly. I'm not big on steams

[eager socket]

Ye just haven’t seen anything mentioned anywhere so I wanted to clarify I don’t want mix packers of herbs and carnivore having it easier

Speaking of we need something done about the excessive amount of herbxcarnivoure mixpacking going on rn

[boreal briar]

I believe that's technically the only "mix packing". Herbivores/omnivores are allowed to group together as a herd, its just carnivores of other species or carnivores and herbivores/omnivores together.

[desert arch]

@north quiver tactile endurance should be removed as well imo

Ive seen stegos use it to run down dibbles, they just kept biting each other for stam until the dibble ran out

[north quiver]

there’s a few others that need to be removed also but those are just the big main three

[desert arch]

Feel like its just as damaging as gastro is for carnivores

[north quiver]

they all need to be removed. every mutation affecting stats that directly tie in with combat

health, speed, stamina, damage, bleed

[eager socket]

Talking herbs and carnivores

Like the amount of teno/stego and deino groups rn is crazy

OrTeno dilos

[shut hare]

Even so, you cannot invite a dino of another species to your group, regardless of being in discord/having unspoken agreement in game with them. I am using the term "group" here in the literal, technical sense (i.e. two calling/pairing)

[eager socket]

Ye ye

@pine bone why not

I’m getting spam pinged by reaction and don’t know how to turn it off lord help me

[icy lion]

Settings-> Notifications -> Reaction notifications

[pine bone]

was about to say it still ruins the balance regardless
imagine maia and cera for example, maias are already super fast and if they pick it they'll be impossible to escape
now if a carnivore picks it it just leads to unfair fights with everyone it comes across

if the game just stays with its natural speeds itll be so much more fun since we all just get used to our playstyles instead of dealing with something that feels similar to a mixpack issue, unnatural and unfair

[eager socket]

Your my hero

[pine bone]

besides everyone already only picks one of the speed mutations

[eager socket]

Fair fair

[pine bone]

🫶

[eager socket]

I just wanted to offer a alternative

[pine bone]

its nice but people dont like debuffs really

[eager socket]

That’s the point make it have potential but not amazing

Like dilos it’d still be worth the extra night speed but would make day scarier for em

[pine bone]

but then dilos are left trying to fight super speed dinos in the mornings while being this slow

[eager socket]

Exactly you want to be extra zoomy at night you pay the price for it during the day

[lapis crag]

@green niche so your idea is fine however you would have to change growth rates alongside it in order for it to work well. Otherwise everyone will reach adulthood and gastro in combo with diets will make it absurdly easy to reach adulthood in max efficiency.

[green niche]

Ngl i would like a longer growth rate - i just suspect im probably the only person who does 😅

[solid tartan]

I don't mind long grown rates either

So don't worry your not the only one

[eager socket]

100% need more of the real mid tiers

[eager socket]

Love the 3 slots hate the level rule

[tame jetty]

The tier rule would help balance things tho, I am a bit worried if only three slots added without tiers tied to them, then players might go grazy with 3 apexs, or any other dinosaur again and again 🤔
But I mean. It could also be made available as a server setting, to enable the tier-rule 🤔

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message you are trying to fix an issue that doesent excist

just hopp on another server

[eager socket]

Exactly

[tame jetty]

Bit lame if you really enjoy the server you play on, and want to keep playing on it, just to be able to play with friends, or a new dinosaur on maybe a server that's really bad 😄

[barren zephyr]

ohhhh, i see

you are one of the people that play on community server

i thought you played on officials (where thee are multiple servers)

but still...

[tame jetty]

I now changed it to say server setting 👍

[neat scroll]

Even on official servers I think it's important. For ages before the ht, NA 1 and NA 3 were down. We only had 3 NA servers. CA 1 dies at night, and NA2 by far was the most popular for the population update and was fullest all day and had the longest ques. By the end, all 3 NA servers had ques in the 30's-50's every single day.

Switching servers would be cool if it didn't mean you had to wait sometimes 45 minutes or more to even get in somewhere else. But right now you do. That's why so many people were migrating to unofficials like Islander for a while as is.

[wintry cipher]

Im against multiple character slots because if you die on one creature players can and will go to that area to revenge kill. Happens on pot and bob all the time and it is disgusting.

[neat scroll]

Could fix this by making it so that playables don't spawn where you left them, they spawn opposite of your latest death using the current spawn system (with different locations of course so they're not running into fresh spawns all the time)

[wintry cipher]

Hell the isle had that problem too with players buying 20 accounts and family sharing before they removed family sharing because of it. (This is not an exaggeration i knew someone in a discord gang that did this)

[neat scroll]

Or even putting a 5 minute timer on dino switching. That's not long, but it's more than enough time for pretty much anyone to finish eating

[wintry cipher]

See, I would agree, but pot did this method for 10 minutes. Still happens

Players are extremely determined to grief

[neat scroll]

I've not been around for too long. What's wrong with family sharing accounts or owning the game in multiples? If the games are bought and the dinos are still all grown normally then what's the issue with having access to normal gameplay on a variety of different playables?

Plenty of people still do use alt accounts. I use my husbands sometimes because I don't always want to kill a high growth timer dino just to play troo or pt for a while.

The problem here is griefing, not access to playables, but that's a built in feature of the officials. They've got no rules against mixpacking despite it completely unbalancing the game (and diminishing the realism aspect they supposedly aim for). I don't mind no rules servers, and they should exist. But being upset that someone might come back when so many other griefing issues are rampant and unaddressed because it appears the devs are fine with them is silly

I guess it's also important to note with server swapping that you only have so many servers available with decent ping depending on the region, and I'm someone who likes to play all dinos, not just the same 2-3 that would be possible if I just server swapped.

[tame jetty]

I made the tier-lock now server option. You would like to upvote now or? atleast maybe remove downvote if you love the 3 character slots idea

[wintry cipher]

Ive been around the isle since around 2017. I understand the desire for more dinos and maybe the devs can add this as an option for community servers. I know they plan to let stats be customized for example (Kissen).

Just because problems exist already to me does not warrant re-adding a problem that was fixed in the past. Likewise, the game is meant to be a survival horror. Having one life makes players act appropriately scared, and griefers (net term for mixpackers/megapa kers/etc al.) have to spend multiple hours to spend maybe 10 minutes griefing before they get killed and have to start all over. Adding more lives eould triple this effect as the game stands right now in my eyes.

Just my two cents and why im voting no

[neat scroll]

I understand those concerns, but I don't understand how it would make the problem worse when these types of players are already engaging in for more capable griefing strats.

Why wait the 5-10 minutes to swap dinos, then run all the way across the map hoping someone is in the same spot when you can post the coordinates of your death location to your mixpack in your personal server and they can be there in 2 minutes? Why bother with that when they could body grief in water, or a random stego can come sit on the body for no reason at all, or a dibble could come out of nowhere and kill you solely to feed their own baby cerato friend? There are so many better ways to do what you're describing that are quicker and easier than waiting out a timer and swapping (if you even have something worth swapping to).

I don't think griefers have the moral conundrum about these things that regular players do. All this does is punish normal people who might want to play a troo and a teno in the same night who aren't going around trying to murder everything to not provide griefers with another way to do what they're doing.

[tame jetty]

Having to kill off your long time (many hours) grown dinosaur just to be able to play with friends, or another playable or needing a small break from playing same dino, is really rough tho. Specially when game is such a hardcore survival game, you staying alive on your many hours grown dinosaur is awesome work initself. That shouldn't have to be thrown away just like that, to enjoy game in more than lonely or restricted manner.

• like Nish is pointing out, not every server you've good ping/and suffer lags and decync even. + as I mentioned also, staying in the one server for example that's actually good (individually), is like how one would enjoy the game. Nobody gonna enjoy it to play really bad server just to finally play with friends, or another playable ect, just not to lose all your effort from your current playable

Also, with current food drain and migration zones and patrole zones.
Not many staying in the same area prob, and if they are, if (grief player) would come back just to be a menace, then they could prob either just run away, or fight grief player off again..

• with three character slots only, there's only so much you can do-spawn back onto without growing it to grief someone..
  By that time, grief player would prob even find other people to hunt or get killed by lmao

And it's pretty self exolonatototy, that the character slots would be added with area cool down prob from devs, they can easily add something like that and thus why I didn't feel need to include it in my suggestion atleast (with writing explanations)

[neat scroll]

^
I've got a fg gen 2 deino sitting in lazy lake (a place were almost no other deino ever goes, let alone fg deinos) on one server that will quite literally live forever unless I intentionally drown or starve it, or walk up on land for someone to kill me on purpose. That server slot is dead because nesting can't be achieved without a coordinated group, especially on dinos like deino.

Similarly, if I stuck a fg stego on a second server to chill out and walk around grazing and watching other player interactions without having to get involved myself, it would live forever except in the event of a large mixpack finding it.

Because I'm an NA player, that would leave me with 1 NA server for every other playable, and CA1, which is dead at night (the primary hours I am able to play games).

I think the more pressing question is how we address current forms of griefing, like making all bodies float and being capable of being dragged (out of water at least) by any sized carnivore (regardless of the size of the body) and what the long term view is for things like mixpacking and the respawn locations being very limited. As it stands with respawn, dinos like cera have two. Die twice and you're back to your first spawn, and likely smelling the same body you did the first time.

I do think it's a problem, I just don't think it should limit the capacity of others to play different playables, together or otherwise.

[frozen bolt]

Do so the same species can talk like though a microphone. If you would scream, you would be heard very far, if u would whisper then only on close. Could be pretty cool and easier to communicate with group members.
For other species you would just do normal noise

[covert tiger]

@cobalt galleon bruh are you playing on evrima or hordetest?
with the new hordetest patch, the game is optimized better than 99% of games out there, massive fps boost to everyone i know

[tight iron]

no difference for me

[urban flax]

That's how it goes with The Isle
Personnally I've usually had performance improve for me when other people said it had gotten worse, and geting worse when others said it improved

[covert tiger]

weird
whats your pc, what settings do you play on, and which graphics card do you have?

[urban flax]

It's not weird, it's just dark magic

[eager socket]

@cobalt galleon turn your settings down abit

I run everything high on 80+ fps and my computer is very dated

@rotund lake skill issue

[rotund lake]

really? oh thx super pro

[eager socket]

You literally just whined about dying a ton

The balance for the most part is rather good minus afew Dino’s being not amazing

There are only 2 things that can be concluded from your whine your ethier A not playing much of the roaster or B not very good at fighting Dino’s

[rotund lake]

ok ty

[tight iron]

laptop, all on max, rtx 4060 laptop

[woeful latch]

i wonder why people disagree #general-feedback message

like it doesnt make any sense that it doesnt loose any stamina

[covert tiger]

Put your Nvidia dlss setting at ultra performance
You'll get a very slight graphics reduction but fps will go up by like 30

[tight iron]

already have that

[green niche]

#general-feedback message
Just thinking on this again: an alternative to a slower hunger drain would be something like a fat reserves system.
Your hunger drains as it does currently in the game but when it hits zero, instead of damaging your health, it first begins to drain your fats reserves (and the skinny vs fully fed look dinos can have depends on their fat reserves not their hunger), the fat reserves can take a lot longer to drain, allowing predators to survive a minimum of one additional in-game day with zero hunger (but preferably they should be able to survive 2-3 days. Maybe 5-7 if they are a deino), you only begin to take damage when your fat reserves are at zero.
Fat reserves would increase when you stomach is, say, 80% or more full
Why this would be better than a slower hunger drain: this would allow carnivores to properly gorge themselves on a meal when they do catch it* instead of risking it rotting before they can finish eating it.
The carcass, of course, would still give more food than they currently do and should probably also take longer to rot
*irl, lions, for example, can eat up to 15% their body weight in one sitting, which, once the carcass is finished (or stolen), may then be followed by days of starvation as the lions success rate is a mere 27-34%

[boreal briar]

@spark carbon probably. Steggo has bad night vision too, I believe it's an intentional weakness for carnis to take advantage of.

[odd shell]

alright guys show of hands who wants herra removed from the game

they had a good run, of annoying every other playable..

camping water sources

camping dead critters

[limber hull]

herrera is fun i think it should stay

[trail schooner]

^

[boreal briar]

Love Herra. They (generally) camp the most obvious water sources. For example in South Plains you can just run to anywhere along the river to drink easily, or the waterfalls even. Can't blame them for using bait either 🙂 a nice hefty corpse pile can sustain a group of herra for ages while drawing in new prey

[spark carbon]

Kay but seeing complete darkness in an artificially light up place looks so silly xd

[trail schooner]

And camping bodies is realistically their best way to hunt

[boreal briar]

Yeah I'm not a fan of the way lighting doesn't really defuse into the distance either, especially on such dark nights. And it's a funky balance trying to let them see where they are moving and giving them a bad vision at the same time e

[sudden pasture]

why am i on 30fps it's crazy yall know anything that could help me improve my fps ( ive gotten atleast 60+ before)

[young arch]

#general-feedback message @rotund hazel I'm glad to find someone who thought the same

[latent olive]

@barren zephyr what

[radiant nest]

@barren zephyr herbivores dont have that mutation

also why carno

[barren zephyr]

Carno has other carnos on diet

[radiant nest]

and cera/deino dont have it either

[radiant nest]

not since like a year and a half ago

[latent olive]

ceratosaurus and deinosuchus are cannibals, so they dont have the mutation

REMOVING the cannibalism mutation? im on the fence about

[radiant nest]

besides why would cannibals have the cannibal mutation, it would do nothing

[barren zephyr]

Shouldn't they be the only one to have it then if they're the only ones who need it?

[latent olive]

no because if theyre cannibals from the start why would they pick a mutation that does effectively nothing for them

as much as i hate to say it, the cannibalism mutation for non-cannibals is another way to play the game

also dondi says he wants to make cannibals that use the mutation be VISIBLY different to others

[radiant nest]

it would be if only carnivores could pick a mutation that let them eat meat

[barren zephyr]

omg i'm actually stupid i'm so sorry-

[latent olive]

https://imgur.com/gallery/SN7pIYi

[radiant nest]

ofc you would respond with this gif

[barren zephyr]

bro i deadass thought that it made it so that you were more powerful to your own species-

i'm actually an idiot

[latent olive]

aw hell naw, that was a mutation a long time ago

[radiant nest]

oh yeah nah that mutation happened once

[barren zephyr]

😭

[radiant nest]

that was a horrible mutation

i think everyone agreed that it should have the woodchipper fate

isnt it the only mutation that got entirely removed?

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-meme-gif-22168680

guys ima be fr i stopped playing the isle for like 5 months after dibble released lol. I was kinda just fed up with all the bs on this game man, no clue carno wasn't a cannible anymore, no clue that mutation got removed

[radiant nest]

nah no worries

just good that it got all cleared up

[barren zephyr]

I saw it once as an omni a few days ago and was so annoyed it was still there, i didn't bother checking what it did because the name looked similar to the one in the dibble ht that I thought it was the same

[radiant nest]

yeah, i think that old one was called intraspecific aggression

and didnt even have to be unlocked

[barren zephyr]

oh wait i'm out of queue. Bye have a good one lol. dw i removed the suggestion in #general-feedback

[radiant nest]

cannibal has to be unlocked

[radiant nest]

have fun!

[barren zephyr]

i'm mildly guilty of certain things

[radiant nest]

dont worry we all are

[woven bane]

what does player behavior have to do with the dino itself lmao

[junior nymph]

I dont think they know its meant to be a sit and wait playable and not a big bulky playable its the deino of the trees not the carno of the trees lol

[woven bane]

not exactly, unlike deino herrera isn’t confined to a specific area, i just follow sounds to find prey

[junior nymph]

true but also it can be one of its playstyles as herra is adaptable

[woven bane]

it has a fast hunger drain, not ideal for slow paced playstyle

[wooden agate]

its not thaaat fast, you can definitely have a slow life as herrera

i always try to stay somewhat near the coast for turtle spawns as a fall back

[woven bane]

it’s one of the fastest wym

[wooden agate]

the fastest snail is still slow

[wooden agate]

@junior nymph something like this that only juvies/smaller animals could drink from would be interesting

[junior nymph]

ye

[wooden agate]

and then spots like this for the semi aquatics like bary/sucho. if they want deeper water, thats on them to find it

but in general yes i would like more water around the map, and by extension i want a HEAVY nerf for the reabsorption mutation

instead of filling water, just have it drain slower while its raining

[junior nymph]

I feel as it should do as what rain did in legacy where you would not loose water

[junior nymph]

also these could fill when it rains and drains overtime

[green niche]

#general-feedback message
As someone who plays a lot of (semi)aquatics: no. Thats too clear. They definitely should fix the bug that makes the water almost completely black but water like from that bug that makes it too clear is, well, too clear. The water is murky, thus visibility is not good.
I could understand having clearer water (like that of the ocean) in very fast moving rivers but that should pair with the water also being clear from above.
Slow, stagnant water, like that of the swamps, should be very murky.

I also think there should be some part of the ocean with murkier water - most oceans do not have such crystal clear water - although that depends on where this island is meant to be

[pine bone]

youre right i agree with that but its so murky deinos and beipis can see nothing at all in the water, just like maia's night vision, except theyre suppoused to be adapted to seeing in water

[green niche]

Is this in HT?

[pine bone]

yeah :)

[green niche]

Ah, i havent played that yet 😅 i thought you were talking about the normal evrima

[harsh sun]

Update 6.5 underwater murkieness was the best

[indigo gulch]

If you want to be blind underwater maybe

I like it in rivers. But sometimes its just way too dark

Like in water access lake.

[teal fulcrum]

#general-feedback message
deino is perfectly detectable as it is. every 5 minutes he needs a long time to restore oxygen + the lake water is very clear + deino makes very loud noises when going down in water

[maiden anvil]

@tawny pendant I do agree with you but your suggestion should also contain how it could be improved

[tawny pendant]

Repaired ❤️

[keen temple]

Yknow what I was thinking about yesterday, what if the Isle did different era’s for each server?🤔

Exm:
Jurassic Period

Cretaceous Period

Mesozoic Period

[sweet scarab]

why mesozoic? you'd pretty much only have megalania

and all the ai mammals

[urban flax]

Mesozoic is triassic+jurassic+cretaceous

And well
I'm not sure why you would want that, as you'll end up with critically unbalanced ecosystems

[sweet scarab]

oh pfft

for some reason i was thinking pleistocene

if they did individual eras they would have to delicate more time and money for each model of plants alone. forget about the animals

[urban flax]

At this point it's just another game

[sweet scarab]

exactly

[urban flax]

I mean 3 other games

And I think The Isle is already amibitous enough in its scope

[sweet scarab]

and what happens when they have a wide open field they don't want to be brown or a shade of yellow? grass didn't exist of most of the mesozoic

[urban flax]

Well for those, there were other plants in its place, like ferns

[sweet scarab]

yeah but then you'd have to make a fern shader

which would take time and money

[urban flax]

That's assuming there is already a grass shader

And not just ugly meshes sticking out of the ground

[sweet scarab]

i doubt the devs are sitting there placing individual bunches of grass

[urban flax]

It's painted
But the grass currently IS an ugly mesh sticking out of the ground

[sweet scarab]

how else is grass supposed to look?

[limber hull]

someone post the funny grass images

[urban flax]

Oh on the Replicator don't get me started on the grass

So this is how grass currently looks in evrima
Notice how it doesn't even blend well with its own texture ?
How you got clumps of plastic grass which are all the exact same length, scattered at exactly regular intervals ?

Now THIS is how it looked during early gateway
This is the grass we got denied

And now,

This is a screenshot of skyrim with one of the most popular grass mods.
THIS is how grass should look like.

And it was made by a modder for a 13 years old game

More evrima grass for extra eye-bleeding

[sweet scarab]

oooooooh ok. i see it now

tho i think it is that way rn due to lag reasons. and also possibly because there are more important things to do

maybe they'll work on better grass so the smaller playable can see

[urban flax]

Honestly, I have no idea how this could "improve" performance
In the evrima screenshot every blade of grass is at least 7 triangles (every BLADE, not every clump)
In the skyrim screnshot I provided, every clump of grass is like 4 triangles

The only explanation I can find to it is that their old grass wasn't nanite-friendly, so they bought a store asset grass that was compatible with nanite to replace it for now

[sweet scarab]

that could explain it

then again, spending time on grass would probably be seen as a waste of time by most players. everyone wants playable and mechanics first

[urban flax]

The devil is in the details
It's gotta be improved at some point, I can't take seriously a game that has 90% of its playable area covered in what essentially is an insult to the very concept of environment design

[wooden agate]

@stuck rock id rather it be changed to some unnatural looking animation where the dilo rips its way towards you

[wooden agate]

i want the monorail back so badly

[sweet scarab]

yeah, hallucinations not reaching you was the issue for a while. players would fight dilo and just sit in a spot the hallucinations couldn't spawen or climb too and it made dilo a pushover

[tame jetty]

@tawny pendant agreed. We desperately need a group tab list, and egg list. So we can join through that ingame.
It's so hard to find people, and so lonely most of the time. 3rd party software is so annoying to relay on, and really beaks the immersion you've when fully into the game.
I really hope they get these group and nest tab lists going so we don't have to break immersion, or struggle with annoying 3rd party all the time

[tawny pendant]

🥹 yes

[stuck rock]

yea rather that than an illusion spawn inside you and almost or do kill you

[stuck rock]

@fluid lake There are Unofficials u can get Free Admin on. Usually just go there with a friend and test anything i want. like train fighting against certain Dinos. some pople on the server are pretty skilled some arent

[tame jetty]

@cold garden true, I find it so weird how carnivores who's supposed to be the hidden ones, camo and rely on not being seen for ambush legit have colors asf. But herbivores, noooo, they're the brown poop colored ones that doesn't even need to ambush anybody because rhe grass never runs away 🤦

[cyan flame]

@quartz meteor You're a deino, not a rex

[stuck rock]

@quartz meteor Stego can be grabbed when they swim thats enough + ur only A Deino not Hulk

[tawny pendant]

deino is enough broken. He doesnt need to catch all dinos.

[tight iron]

@full pewter this might be interesting for you to know, fish are everywhere but land ai is pretty much gone

fish basically never despawns and is everywhere

(if you plan on playing deino or beipi just know that food will not run out)

[cold garden]

Counterpoint, JC -- deinos ALSO need something to fear. lol they are OP and should not have been added into the game until the roster is way more fleshed out, the fact that they can 1shot the entire roster and the only time a deino dies is to either 1) being an absolute idiot or 2) a second, angrier deino is not a balanced dino either. We can agree to hate stegos as they are literally in the same niche but nerfing one overpowered out of place dino in favor the other out of place overpowered dino is very silly

[urban flax]

The same niche ?
Wait stego is a semi-aquatic ambusher ??
How do you lunge as stego ???

[cold garden]

the same niche as in both are oversized overpowered dinos when compared to the rest of the roster. context is your friend

[neat scroll]

I don't get the idea behind deino lung being buffed for an even higher weight limit. You can grab every single dino on the roster barring a fg stego (but still if they swim) and other deinos less than half grown (not that you need to). The heaviest land carnivores in the game are almost nonexistent, and the hardest part about growing a deino is other deinos- which becomes a non-existent problem if you set up in a smaller lake- lazy lake, south pond, jungle pond, beipi pond, the pond at the top of south river, west rail, etc. You get guaranteed fish spawns and will never starve (an incredible privilege as a deino), and you're impervious to everything, even cheaters. You're literally the counter to cheaters on deino because most hacks can't do jack in the water.

Deino has 0 competition, and likely wont until a large carnivorous semi-aquatic like spino is added- which is a long way off.

There are some things I agree that need fixing- underwater vision is crap, even with NV on, especially with the "screw you everything is black now" bug happening. The turn radius from the ht is awful and ought to be reverted. There could be more of interest in larger lakes like Highlands and Dam Lake, etc. Deino especially suffers from nesting bugs alongside PT and other stick collectors.

But being able to 1 shot the entire roster is not a buff it needs when it effectively already can. Losing out on one dino that's going to struggle when allo and rex (two playables much closer to release than spino) come out isn't a big deal. More pressing is the player pop for such a big map so that people actually come to where you're set up more than once in a blue moon (unless you're at the highlands gravel pit or the lower portion of south plains river).

[grave bear]

The tail hitbox shortening honestly sounds like it would make smaller species a lot more fun, when right now just one desync bite from a bigger dino can be the end of you.

[eager socket]

@tawny pendant 100% solo growing social animals all the time cuz I can never find groups is hell.

@covert tiger zone based Ai is Kinda a thing like NW ridge tons spawn, the cliff side bridges to lazy lake goats all over that

[covert tiger]

yes but im saying it should be only location based irrespective of player count influencing spawn rate

[coarse spruce]

I actually just think teno should be better adapted to water without going full semiaquatic. Like how cera can alt-bite in water, but also let the teno sit still in bodies of water

[quartz meteor]

And I’m assuming that you get the idea of stego getting a power swing, when its normal attack was already strong enough for the current roster?

[full pewter]

That I have noticed

[tame jetty]

Diving on teno would be really fun

[cold garden]

i didn't up or downvote that but i know in the past low graphics could be exploited by players to detect other players by removing grass ect. so personally for me it would depend HOW they made it low res. Currently playing on low settings doesn't offer you near as significant an advantage as it used to do but if they lowered them even FURTHER it might go back into that territory

also it should be said :: i have a low end PC and run the game fine with very few frame drops. the thing that helped me MOST was going into gameplay settings (not graphics for some reason) and turn off both options involving foliage movement. i keep a stedy 40-50 frames now whereas i used to regularly plummet to like 2, especially if there was more than a couple dinos in one spot

[neat scroll]

Deino is strong enough for the current roster, and in the complete roster will only be challenged by Spino. Stego is enough for the current roster, but in the completed roster will be destroyed by all large tier predators and will be outweighed/outdamaged by more of the large tier herbis.

If they removed power swing for the current roster, I'd be fine with that. But stego isn't going to get playtime because it's strong when the roster starts delving into the bigger dinos. It's going to be far less picked in comparison to things like trike, shant, the saurapods, theri, etc. It's a mid tier herbi in a current roster of small game hunters and small/mid tier herbis. Deino is and always will be an apex with competition solely from the singular semi-aquatic apex that fits into its same niche.

[barren zephyr]

DUDE i have wanted this for so long

@tame jetty tysm for requesting this

[tame jetty]

Me too! 🙏🏼 I would die happy to play s-aquatic tenonto

[cold garden]

when i already go semi aquatic build as teno yes please i would love it, it would enhance how i already play that dino haha

[fluid lake]

Oo wow really? Do you have any reccomendations?

[stuck rock]

im currently on Hordetest but i think what i usually go on is litteraly just called Free Admin

[wooden agate]

norden is a good server for free admin stuff. they have an EU and US server

[stuck rock]

ye thats the one

[fluid lake]

Okayy thank you!

[fluid lake]

Thank you :D

[sweet scarab]

@graceful orbit absolutely not. That would be extremely bad. Maybe if it was built like PoT where only dinos from relevant servers can be transferred over, like the official servers. Otherwise, you'd get players growing dinos on nonPVP servers or on solo player servers and then swopping them over to other servers. Then what happens if you have multiple grows on different servers? Cna you pull all of them over to 1 server?

[graceful orbit]

i mean official, and only to empty servers. and you n=make it sound like a warcrime, not that serious.

[sweet scarab]

How would that work? How would devs know if a server is dead enough to swop over dinos?

[graceful orbit]

no i mean a server that doesnt have a dino in the save slot my fault

[graceful orbit]

also simple programming, if below (20) players allow swapping to other servers

[sweet scarab]

So now we're back at another issue. What stops a player from going to multiple servers, growing a playable and then swopping over to 1 server each time they die?

[sweet scarab]

Then when a server restarts BOOM all dinos gets swopped over

[graceful orbit]

idk im not a dev so i dont care that much to keep arguing with an adult, but if they found a way to make it work that'd be awesome?

[sweet scarab]

Perhaps. But I could see a lot of problems arising from that

[buoyant narwhal]

I know at least in other survival games, there’s a method of optimising the grass and bushes etc on low graphics, without making it unfair, by slapping a big ol’ opaque plane on them if you’re too far away. Stops you from getting x-Ray vision, even if it looks a bit dank.

[buoyant narwhal]

@shy girder Huge agree. Optimisation especially is such an important part of games, and I really hope we get an update dedicated to this at some stage.

I’m hoping AI is being addressed BTS, carnivores should have the space to choose their PVP fights, instead of relying on them to avoid starvation

[shy girder]

took the words out of my mouth, this is exactly how it should be, i just wish the community wasnt so toxic and hateful so that we could actively work together to try force some change

[buoyant narwhal]

Agreed. Unfortunately, seems to be the case with any survival game 😩

Not sure if it’s done already, but maybe even small optimisations with each patch or change?

[eager socket]

@near nacelle there are 3 and the isle is the most realistic with the best graphics of the 3 do atleast 1 google search before you make yourself a bigger fool

[pale venture]

@pliant cargo i totally agree with you that spiro should be brought back

[eager socket]

Better map by far imo

[pliant cargo]

Fr

imo

[eager socket]

It just felt so much more alive cuz it wasn’t as massive and the flow of it was good

[limber hull]

it was basically the same size. it just had tons of dead space because half of the map had no food or water

felt smaller because there's a ton of areas you will just die if you go to

[buoyant narwhal]

Hopefully, when Ai is fixed and improved, it might help make the map feel more alive

[limber hull]

it also is extremely bloated in terms of file size and optimisation. if you want an optimised map, you want Gateway, because Spiro is far worse in that department due to amateurish level design techniques

[eager socket]

Also a player count issue I feel like servers could handle almost 200 as people are always so dam spread out

[limber hull]

spiro is an objectively worse map, and things like migrations, herrera, gastroliths, etc will not adapt well

also the insane file size bloat makes the downloads awful

[eager socket]

Fair fair

I think they should try 200 pop server horde testing to se show servers handle it and it affects on fps

I know early on when everyone spawning it might hurt abit

[limber hull]

spiro was a sandbox map in all honesty. No exploration, just staying in one of three main hotspots and fighting

[eager socket]

I kinda disagree as the river way was super fun to traverse

[limber hull]

it was exceptionally deino-sided, to a disgusting degree lol

[eager socket]

Fair I mean it was the only real big Dino other than stego

[limber hull]

i mean... it still is

just the map isn't extremely catered to it anymore

[eager socket]

True true

[limber hull]

deino itself needs its kit overhaul soon because rn its in a bad way lol

[eager socket]

They needa add more bigger things to the roaster before looking to any major changes excluding 3( more so 2) Dino

[limber hull]

they just added maia

[eager socket]

More mid tier carnivores

[limber hull]

i dont see why thats necessary

like deino being bad has nothing to do with if there are or arent more carnis

[cold garden]

if they reintroduce spiro i'd honestly want it cut down even FURTHER - even though the locations that were not central were pretty you never got a chance to go there unless you wanted to play entirely on your own lol - and just make it a deathmatch map. that's the one and only factor people ACTUALLY liked about it, not the map itself. the map was terrible and frequently complained about because of it - it had basically two biomes total, no diversity, very little exploration value.. but it was a great deathmatch because everybody stuck to central whether they were intended to be there or not

and by 'intended' i mean like, pachies regularly hung out there despite their diets all being on the beach. pachy players of course didn't want to be sent to their beachside time out corner at all hours so chose to keep poor diets just to interact with other players xD

if we were bringing back an older map though, i'd love a return of something like thenyaw even if it'd obviously need a big overhaul to be fit for envrima lol

[boreal briar]

@graceful orbit You almost had me at the rocket launcher, obviously a Hypsie exclusive mutation.

My problem with your idea is how the opposite could be done. Grow a Steggo on a dead server, switch it to a popular one and go buck wild.

@pale venture Nesting grounds or something similar is actually being worked on. It's going to be I think like a patrol/migration zone? I'm uncertain if it's going to be the wide open sandy places though

[covert tiger]

@shy girder
I downvoted your post because:

1. If you've played the most recent hordetest you'll know that whatever they did made the game look even better with a huge performance boost (15-20fps). It is currently better optimized than 90% other games I've played, and I run some heavy stuff.
2. Not starving is mostly a learning curve. You need to know where ai spawns or where you're likely to find player corpses.
3. If everyone had too much stamina they'd just be running endlessly and never be in a vulnerable state. Stamina management is a skill in this game. Alternate between sprinting and trotting (you regen stamina when above 60%) rather than sprinting till you're empty and sitting to rest.

[dawn hound]

@shy girder I very agree. Juvi carnivores are unplayable due to them loosing hunger rapidly, but I think it should be fixed with the new rat and bugs update thats gonna come. What I think needs to be worked on the most though is the optimization, since the better the optimization, the more the players are actually gonna play the game. What I dont agree with that much though is ptera stam being horrid, since its not ment to fly upwards a ton, and rather is ment to slightly rise up. Its like if you were running on flat fields vs running up a hill, you obviously get more tired running up a hill. Another thing that should get fixed the most should be mixpacking, since they have been probably the main reason i dont wanna play the game. Sorry for my yappatron 3000 being activated

[woven bane]

gateway isn’t better optimized

[limber hull]

it objectively is from a purely technical PoV

if we're bothering to include patches which include other things unrelated to Gateway, then I guess it's had worse optimisation

but Spiro literally has specific map design that is so antequated that it actively harm performance

[urban flax]

The fact you can play on gateway at all, with all the extra mechanics and assets it has compared to Spiro, is a proof it's better optimized

[sage plover]

#general-feedback message
I would say for this, slightly nerf the holding left click and buff the other attacks in some way, whether attack speed or damage(maybe stun, but maia has good stun already). That way out of like 10 attacks, its actually worth it to use them all instead of legit only 2 of them

[tight iron]

@pliant cargo might happen, dondi said about a month and a half ago in a stream "also, spiro is looking good now", hinting to something

[hollow pewter]

I agree.

1. Got more fps and a performance boost in the rescent ht too
2. If everybody is starving, the map would be filled with food again. Sometimes I find a dead juvi but not as often as I would expect after "everybody" is complaining.
   I agree, esbi, if you know spots, you will mostly find AI
3. Ye, as a noob you jump and run all the time. But its possible with stam management to move fast without need to sit all the time.

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @sinful egret great suggestion! They can already make bubbles when you hold Q underwater so it’s definitely a possibility!

[silent brook]

How do people get so many "bugs and cheaters that the game is almost unplayable" I didn't see anything that I could call per se bug and I rarely run into hackers. Am I playing this game wrong or smth

[indigo gulch]

No you’re playing the game differently

Same as how I barely come across spots to get stuck in

(Tho I did find a random death trap as troodon 😪)

I did run into a cheater deino recently tho, so they definitely still exists :/

[sinful egret]

i didnt even know u could make bubbles in the first place but thanks

[indigo gulch]

👍🏻

[pliant cargo]

Ok ty, really hoping it does come back I miss that map too much

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

awesomebro allo

@tawny pendant if you broadcast, your name shows up from further away to group mates

[swift sinew]

He looks a lot more alive that way, doesn't he?

[limber hull]

i'd say it looks silly, especially with the lightning bolts lol

[swift sinew]

Well, then he won't look so alive, bruh

[limber hull]

he looks perfectly alive with the regular skin

[swift sinew]

it really looks so boring and ordinary, half of the colors are in the likeness of a tiger, it is..Is it expected?

[limber hull]

it should look like an animal, not a walmart toy

[swift sinew]

it looks boring, why not just add a couple of details in the color? That would look great.

[swift sinew]

I'm not asking to add drawings, but just spots or details to give a nice look, and plus there may be something like that in the wild, and I didn't ask for direct lightning. and at least some lines to give a more lively look and a pleasant color

almost every dinosaur has a tiger color, and allosaurus has as many as 2 tiger-like ones, it's so boring and obvious

[sweet scarab]

so instead of the descriptor "masculine" maybe we go for more "less feline/pantherine"?

[limber hull]

well its literally for the male display

so technically he's not wrong

[sweet scarab]

yeah but above they are mentioning pattern in general

[swift sinew]

I don't know, I just suggest this option, at least something but not the usual brindle, there are a lot of such colors and they look kind of boring, personally my opinion

[sweet scarab]

not just male display

[swift sinew]

Well, I'm sorry, I was referring specifically to the male coloring

[sweet scarab]

i think the main reason allo has the tiger like skin patterning is because it is very pantherine in gameplay. and nothing is more striking that stripes

tho i would like maybe a skin pattern that resembled more of the patterning you see on some lions that retain the faded rosettes on their underside

[swift sinew]

Seriously, even Trike and Albert have these colors, they're almost the same, don't you want variety?

[sweet scarab]

are we talking about colors or patterns?

because both have very different answeres

[swift sinew]

I'm saying that this color would not be bad, but there are so many of them, and on different dinosaurs, I would not want to see the usual tiger-colored skins on all dinosaurs

I'm talking about this whole topic, and about the offer and the colors

I don't know how to explain it, but these details just give some beautiful difference, and I think if the allosaurus has a green male color, then it will fit the bushes and then

[sweet scarab]

colors on realistic animals is hard to potray. most large animals don't have many flashy color palettes they can use, and because the devs go for realism we are stuck in this situation when it comes to colors, with the only flashy animals being small or built around being bright, such as hypsi and ovi being flashy for display and troodon as a kind of warning to their toxins

and every animal having the same palette makes them boring on a different wave length

besides, seing a rex as flashy as a hypsi is nauseating

now when it comes to patterns, there is a whole lot left untouched

[swift sinew]

in general, I just suggested, consider it as you want

[sweet scarab]

stripes for some reason are the favorite because they emulate shadow effects from foliage, but other details could be usd that might be more interesting. the only issue is taking inspiration from nature either leads you to a near patternless animal or an animal with some sort of striping or splotching

[sweet scarab]

and i am having a conversation on it. i'm not blowing your idea off to the side, but we need more than just "masculine looking" and "less boring"

i have provided reasons for why the color palettes and patterns are the way they are, which sets a constraint on ideas. from there you can come up with designs

[swift sinew]

I understand, but then why does Utah have such a color palette? I'm interested

[sweet scarab]

because it is a small pack hunting animal. most pack hunting animals IRL have diverse color palettes in their pelts because it is less of a hinderence when you have help. you can see wolves ranging from browns, near rich yellows, whites, greys and blacks all in the same pack

[swift sinew]

and I didn't say that I want to see bright colors on dinosaurs, you may have misunderstood me, I'm not saying that the skins look even dead and ordinary, I'm not suggesting to redo them, but they're all just like carbon paper or matryoshka dolls

[sweet scarab]

now that isn't always the case, painted dogs are very uniform in palette, but that's the main reason

[swift sinew]

got it

[green niche]

nature can be quite colourful though, especially in reptiles

[sweet scarab]

which is understandable, but you have to remember that the colors used in the game have to be shared across species. and since we have a ton of animals going togetehr you will see very similar skins'

[sweet scarab]

the main difference here being those reptiles are small and have low metabolism. look at large reptiles or mammals for inspiration. after a certain size colors like greens and blues become near impossible to recreate

likewise, patterns on incredibly large animals often disappear

[swift sinew]

I do not argue, but it would be possible to come up with many different and suitable colors for the jungle, but for some reason the creators chose tiger colors

[sweet scarab]

no, they chose striping. striping can be found in many jungle animals and can be used to create a wide range of variating color morphs to help the player in designing a personalized animal

[swift sinew]

Okay, I'll have to accept that the skins are the same type, I've accepted it

[sweet scarab]

and the colors chosen range from jungle to arid

instead of calling them boring we need to come up with more interesting skins

the palette will likely not change

but making a pattern that is more than just stripes would be a start

[swift sinew]

I'll try, but later

[sweet scarab]

as i mentioned, the rosettes some lions retain from childhood would be a nice idea. it is pantherine in nature without being too alarming

we could also use snakes as insiration. reticulated pythons have striping that forms geometric shapes on their backs. or we could use gaboon vipers for their splotching creating leaf patterns

could also use birds more often. perhaps the pattern some birds have as chicks that allow them to blend in with moss

or go larger and look at asian elephants and how they occasionally have white patches on their bodies

if stripes are too boring to look at we need suggestions and not unconstructive criticism. likewise, we need ideas that would fit the game, not player preferences

large predators will not have extremely flashy colors and herbivores are more likely to either be flashy or camouflaging

[green niche]

I think its less to do that size itself disallows bright colours but more that its much harder to survive with the bright colours - youll notice that, save for the boomslang and rainbow boas, the pictures i showed were all of captive bred animals
Similarly, itll be much more difficult for players who chose bright, non-blending colours and patterns to survive

It will of course be easier for players with non blending colours to survive in a group than when they play solo (i.e. how white lions survive much better than white tigers in the wild)

Which is why i dont mind a lot of bright colours because people who use those bright colours are putting a nice big target on their back

[sweet scarab]

i can see your point, but we also have to be aware that these potential skin colorations are, lore based, controleld by the people that gentically engineer them. the likelyhood of bright colors being everywhere is rare. and if they are present, they are usually whites, reds or yellows

[green niche]

That is true
If we want a lore-friendly explanation, humans LOVE bright colours. I wouldnt be surprised if someone genetically engineering something put in bright colours because Pretty

Also when genetically engineering mutations and other problems can still happen

[sweet scarab]

which would make sense, if it weren't for the fact the project itself is set to make an ecosystem

and if bright colors are wanted, it is possible to get bright colors through admin tinkering

such as spawning as another animal with it's flashier colors and getting changed into a different animal

that's how we had deinos that looked like bismuth for a while

or even going into the game files and placing a color palette not even found as an option for playables

then from there those colorations can be spread throuhh nesting, which would create a more realistic scenario of how a skin could work. by making the flashy colors rare

[green niche]

Maybe during and only during pride month we should be able to choose prideflag colours /j

[sweet scarab]

i would rage war with the Bi-dibbles as my army

[lofty shore]

diablo is so fching udmb bro. it can hit u wihle twerking at u with its butt

and yall devs think its okay to release

[sweet scarab]

they haven't released it yet, so clearly they don't think it's ready yet

[hollow pewter]

Damn, I cannt really agree or disagree if some of us got so many points in their posts.
I really like the aspect of a better dismount for troodon but I love it gives the fog hallucinations.

[covert tiger]

@dawn hound have you played the most recent hordetest?
This game is better optimized than 80% of similar graphics games out there. I've compared it to at least 4 other titles and the isle performs really well above average currently.
So idk what you're saying about performance man. It can't really be optimized much more than this imo.
What PC do you have and what settings do you use? And how much fps are you getting with it?

These days I guess 'optimization' to most ppl means max settings and still 60+ fps on a 5 yr old PC

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @barren zephyr a universal speed nerf would create more issues

[barren zephyr]

How?

[woven bane]

depends on how much it is but it would affect dodging and getting out of long range attacks in time such as stegos

[barren zephyr]

That’s a concern that simply cannot be answered with my feedback.

What you are saying is obvious. Obviously is the speed nerf is massive you’re gonna have other issues. Somebody can even say that with a universal speednerf all playables would be the same speed, which is correct: if you nerf universally all speeds to -99%, every playable would sprint at around the same speed.

[woven bane]

yea which is why your suggestion ain’t it imo

[barren zephyr]

It’s an invalid concern, imo, because I’m talking about an IDEAL speed nerf. Who’s gonna find that ideal speed nerf? QA, they’re the ones that will find the best proportional nerf without it causing issues

[barren zephyr]

Well. It’s necessary regardless of your opinion if you ask me.

Clearly, the servers cannot compute all the interactions that are happening at these enormous speeds.

[woven bane]

an ideal speed nerf right. the speed is fine there is other ways to go about this

[barren zephyr]

Like what?

[woven bane]

improve servers

[desert arch]

Id feel like youd need NASA level servers to eliminate desync on some playables who are capable of running at 70kmh

All while having a sizeable playercount

[woven bane]

2 playables

nerfing the speed will still affect some matchups even if it’s by 1kmh

[barren zephyr]

Do you really think that if they have the opportunity to improve server performance they HAVEN’T done that already?

These issues persist even in commuity servers that have the best of the best server providers.

[desert arch]

There were already 2 universal speed nerfs in the past, and everything turned out fine, I dont see how this would be different

A speed nerf by, lets say, 5% would barely be noticeable to a player but would still help massively

[woven bane]

they don’t have anyone specialized in that i think, like optimization is an issue aswell but that dosent mean that trees should be gone and the graphics should be roblox levels

[woven bane]

yea because the old speeds were ridiculous. 64 kmh carno, 45 kmh teno etc

[desert arch]

A lot of trees should be gone imo, but yeah

[woven bane]

no

[desert arch]

Ive seen small trees and shurbs inside some of the big trees

[barren zephyr]

Well because you’re imagining a constant speed nerf instead of a proportional speednerf.

If you nerf speeds by a percentage, then it’s barely noticable.

[desert arch]

Absolutely useless assets that just eat up performance

[woven bane]

what’s the ideal speed nerf

[barren zephyr]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven bane]

even with a slight speed nerf there will always be desync. just look at deino for example

[desert arch]

And why isnt a galli going over 70kmh less so?

[woven bane]

that’s just 1 playable though. adjust its speed instead of giving everything a universal speed nerf. combat already feels pretty slow as it is

[barren zephyr]

That’s a silly way of looking at it.

“Yeah I can fix desync by a good margin but I’m not gonna do it because it’s not 100% fixed.”

[woven bane]

the thing is it ain’t a good margin. will barely make a difference and if you do nerf the speeds to the point where it will have a impact it might affect other things

[wintry cipher]

Im ngl i havent experienced much in the way of desync yet after getting a new computer. I could just be getting lucky though but every time ive pounced on omni its been on the target with no wierd 10 feet diff on pins. Heres an example of a fight i was in yesterday as well where outside of maybe one(?) Instance i cant really say i saw any desync and there was a decent chunk of moving around involved. I know there are others who see desync a lot but i havent seen it much on Hordetest at least!

https://youtu.be/3A9rdME9klw

[woven bane]

yea desync is really inconsistent

[tight iron]

universal speed nerf would be a huge issue

would make traveling worse

[desert arch]

Thats more like the map being too massive tbh

[woven bane]

you know what else is massive?

[urban flax]

Human foolishness

[woven bane]

yes bubulblu

[desert arch]

Id rather not answer...

[barren zephyr]

You’re wrong

The universal speed nerf has been done before

[woven bane]

yea and that was when combat was too fast. there’s a difference

they finally found the perfect middle ground

[barren zephyr]

Sure

[lapis crag]

@woven bane #general-feedback message

I'm glad to see people are starting to really get on the Carno train. Maia seems to have shown everyone just how good they had it with Carno 😂

[grave bear]

Why can't I smell sanctuary mushrooms?

[boreal briar]

@open cairn Must be your second day playing EA games too. They tend to have bugs, especially the Beta branches of them.

Make a #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[brittle stirrup]

so first off the bat, dont know HOW far maia is into development, but i will say, 1) run cycle on juvie feels, ODD. very fast and almost foreign. the other is the juvie model, to be frank, the face, not great, i loved maia due to its juvie cuteness and its consistency of cuteness throughout

[tight dove]

you were probably fighting a cheater with long bites @sinful vessel

[sinful vessel]

Ah :( fun. Wasn’t sure if it was the hitboxes being broken x)

[pale venture]

@mental ridge realest thing i have read about the night vision feedback

[mental ridge]

I appreciate that, it was fun being blind at night and getting hunted by dilos. I just think Miaias can't be good at everything, they need there disadvantages and one of those things is being big and blind at night.

[tame jetty]

Not even being able to see a thing in night, really doesnt add Anything to the Horror aspect of the game. If anything its just mere Annoying and frustrating, because you cant do anything at all..
Good horror elements comes from ambient around us, the scary feeling of always never knowing what could be behind the next corner (a human with good equipment out to hunt, or carnivores out to hunt ect). And prob more, but i'm not so good at getting these horror elments out top of my head.
But main point is.. Being completely blind only imobolise you completely, and everything feels pointless- thus even leading many people to straight up quit the game all together becasue why waste many many hours on something, only to see it taken away without any way to defend yourself in matter of a few heartbeats..

anyway, it has been spoken of i guess, that the night vision both on land and underwater is occuring because of annoying bug(s)- and restricting the devs to have the night vision at a point where they want it.
So hopefully they can resolve the issue sooner than later and get us a working night vision without too much of a hassle.

[pale venture]

yes yes yes, if you have been an OG of evrima, then you would know what the night time ambience sounded like in spiro

it was one of the only things that made me scared when playing the game

they need to bring the spiro ambience back

[tame jetty]

I'm a OG from Legacy lol :D So yeah, I've experienced all from birth of Evirma ^^
I'd like to get back a bit more of a irry feeling in night specially too

[pale venture]

wow OG legacy

i think the devs should focus on horror because that is literally the genre in steam

[eager socket]

The amount of sarcasm in this channel is crazy

[eager socket]

Just cuz it’s one of the genre doesn’t mean the whole game needs to be it

It’s a Dino era survival game the only horror aspect is that dinosaurs who specialize in night hunting

[buoyant narwhal]

Yeah I agree. The NV on some dinos is just… inconvenient. Not scary. The night should be scary for dinos that aren’t specialised in it, but not being able to see anything isn’t the way. Really hope Evrima does get some of that Legacy terror back during the night cycle

[barren zephyr]

@torn river
People are disliking this because it's already op af, and having it being weaker at night gives predators a great enough advantage to take down the beast

[torn river]

I get that, but I literally just don’t want to…run into rocks lmao

[barren zephyr]

I think it should have REALLY strong night vision, but only in a VERY close proximity. That's what I'd do

[torn river]

If I could even see a foot in front of me I’d agree 100%, I’m all for horror-I just shouldn’t be forced NOT to move at all at night because I literally can’t see my own feet

[barren zephyr]

That way you could see rocks if you were careful, and could avoid falling off a massive cliff

[torn river]

For sure

[barren zephyr]

yeah i took a screenshot from when i was maia, and the screen was literally pitch black apart from the UI

[torn river]

It’s wild, makes me not want to play it period

[barren zephyr]

good imo

Maia being able to outrun cera is crazy. was a hera at wra yesterday, me and my buddies were chilling, then we saw a fg cera drinking, and right before i was about to pounce a maia came out of nowhere and beat the living daylights out of the poor thing. A dilo it had been fighting earlier came in to HELP it like even it's worst enemey felt bad 😭

if that doesn't scream 'THIS THING NEEDS A NERF' idk what does

[wintry cipher]

...as much as I agree a bug pass and optimization pass would be great, the issue is the very next patch another dozen bugs will show up again. This is why they have devs devoted to different jobs. Some do bug fixes. Some do design. Some do rigging and animating. You'd be putting more than 50% of the team out of work if all they did was bug fixing.

Also, if you were playing Hordetest, you'd see that the grab bug is currently fixed. I've been able to grab and eat fruit and nest with sticks without issues over a week or two now.

[latent olive]

@pseudo dagger this isnt irl

the devs wanted carnotaurus to be a small game hunter

at its previous size, it was more like a mid game hunter that targeted cerato, tenonto, etc

they want it to be focusing around omniraptor, dilo, pachy, so on

[pseudo dagger]

wait, i just realized its the cera thats big, not the carno being small

[junior nymph]

@tame jetty the AI was nerfed due to it having bad performance they have already said once they optimize it they will add alot more

[lapis crag]

Nah the Carno is pretty small. Cera around where it should be.

[lapis crag]

Thats fair. Except now the problem is it's competing with Cerato. It's far to weak. Hunting small game is fine. But it shouldn't be bullied by Cerato. Which it is.

[tame jetty]

The AI should just spawn in when a player comes into an area. Roam around them, like they used to. And make their sounds.
And when player leaves area, the AI despawnes. And it doesn't spawn as much if it detect multiple players in one area.

Makes for decent performance for server but also food source again

[pseudo dagger]

look it up

lebron james is taller than a cera lol

[barren zephyr]

how to fix water glitch

[lapis crag]

18ft long, roughly 6ft tall at the hip and 1-1.5ton. It's where it should be.

[pseudo dagger]

your talking about cera right

[lapis crag]

Correct

[pseudo dagger]

ohh i got what you were saying mixed up

i thought you weres saying carno irl is small

[lapis crag]

Nah, lol

[pseudo dagger]

my bad tho xD

[lapis crag]

Carno was at about the right weight and height before. But now it's a midget Carno

A little lighter then an actual Carno even

[pseudo dagger]

yea

i was saying the cera is big because when you go to your character menu its the size of a carno

[chilly ermine]

@tame jetty #general-feedback message this but after it dies have a client-side-only time laps showing creatures coming and going as they eat it.

[daring talon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1317850770250399835

beasts of bermuda warpaint lover

[wooden agate]

i will say i would not mind patterns having 2 or 3 male color varients that you could choose from

maybe have those be the unlockable patterns you get from around the map?

[dawn hound]

excuse you my old pc had lowest settings and could run the game at 20 fps after many updates, but back then on spiro i at least got 40 on highest. I know this game has a ton of mechanics, and that its being worked on the hordetest, but the fact that I tried putting the settings at lowest and highest on my old pc and compare them two, the higher settings actually made the game have 20 more fps. I am NOT playing hordetest due to the nightvision and testing isnt for me, but over all, in the regular game as of right now the issue still continues.

[covert tiger]

Yeah but all this sounds really weird though and not consistent
Fps can't be higher on max settings than lowest settings
Yes it's true gateway is a more demanding map than spiro but it's been optimized greatly since then

With that said, HT is definitely way better in terms of performance than current evrima
Hopefully they revert the nv changes before shipping it to public

[wooden agate]

it can when the lower settings arent optimized whatsoever

people consistently say they have higher FPS with their graphics on high rather than low

which i have to say i have the same experience

[faint tapir]

all graphics, or textures? or something else in particular?

[covert tiger]

I guess it's very well optimized on medium or high then.
I have a decent pc, about 2.5 years old.
Runs evrima at 80+ fps consistently on 1440p maxed out settings (except with dlss on ultraperformance).
In the HT this went up to 100+ consistently.

Better than most games. That's my benchmark.

[dawn hound]

yes ht nightvision is horrid. Anyways by optimization i ment that the better it is the more people could play the game

[daring talon]

oh no thats great its just that suggestion is LITERALLY just bob megalo warpaint

[tame jetty]

@faint tapir the log helps with blocking deino better from getting a too easy prey and they've to work for it by the log being there

[desert arch]

Ive played deino there, the log never came in my way, it just looks nice I guess

[faint tapir]

What? it provides no blockage at all?

[desert arch]

The map designer probably put it there for beipis, but every other species can use it too to make deadly mixpacks

[faint tapir]

beipis would still be able to get on it if it was slightly re-designed. We just need it to not be swam onto and especially rest-able by non-aquatics

[desert arch]

👆

Last I heard though beipis breach height got nerfed again, sucks to be them I guess :/

[coarse spruce]

Seems to me breaching would be perfect for evading austroraptor

No idea why they'd make it any less useful

[formal onyx]

#general-feedback message
@mental ridge
I don't think anyone deserves to play a game like The Isle blind, but limited vision seems like a better idea. If you're going to make creatures useless at night, people are going to go back to logging off at night (a technique mostly used in legacy and pre-nightvision evrima). Guess I'll just continue to use filters and gamma so I can actually see the ground in front of me and not sit in a bush for thirty minutes.

Pitch black gameplay doesn't automatically equal horror.

[lilac bolt]

yeah honestly it being pitch black for some dinos is more of an annoyance then anything

[coarse spruce]

can confirm that, at least without hydrodynamic, even the baby beipi's breach height can't go higher than it used to.
It feels like a pachy's jump

[indigo gulch]

It does nothing. How would it block it, it’s not even blocking the best waterspot. Besides, it’s a very shallow area. It’s only hard to not see it coming at night and even then, you can still see shadows

[desert arch]

Thats such bs, beipis entire thing is breaching

What kind of balance problem would it cause if it could breach silly heights

[coarse spruce]

Tried again with hydrodynamic. Its a little higher but I can definitely feel my height is being clamped by some invisible force

I leap out of the water at a 45 degree angle and I snap to a 30 degree or less

bad or good news, depending how you like to play, there's virtually no difference in breaching with your mouse and breaching by just holding W and space

[mental ridge]

i dont think it should be pitch black either, but i think the night vision is heading in the right direction. I dont think all herbs should struggle to see at night, (their should be levels to it that makes sense for the species) just the large herd type of dinos, such as miaia/stego/ect. Size and numbers are in their favor, so at night they should have some disadvantages. i also think location should play a role, if a miaia is caught in the jungle at night they should be pretty blind to whats happening around them. Now if it were in the plains under some moonlight without the tall jungle trees in the way it shouldn't be so bad. that would avoid the people logging off at night and force a rotation/migration for herd animals.

[radiant nest]

It seems pretty good to me how it is on hordetest with the exception of the stencil and pulse being nearly invisible

[faint folio]

I think it would be cool if night vision wasnt literally vision, but rather a more metaphorical combination of dinosaur's senses. More specifically - terrain should be visible in a varying radii around every dinosaur. However, players take the form of eyes in the shadows, and the outlines/body are more or less visible depending on how much noise they make, eg, largely how fast they move. Crouching or slow walking is less noticeable, whereas sprinting or running should give you a fairly clear look at them. This should scale with size and distance

Otherwise you end up with the situation where people will just log out, because they are being given zero information in a medium where 90% of your information is visual

[boreal briar]

@pale venture You don't need to repeat suggestions daily =.= what's the point?

[barren zephyr]

IM about to die due to theis water glitch

i cant see anything underwater as a deino'

[neat scroll]

I think the log is actually for deino resting. I've played there too, and yes it's low enough for any dino to get on, but deinos regen stam/health and injuries faster when they're in their proper resting animation, which you can't do laying on the bottom of the lake or floating. Because it was made to be low enough for deinos, everything else can obviously access it.

I'd much prefer they just put smaller islands in the middle of certain larger bodies of water

[crude girder]

@next jewel now, normally, I wouldn’t care but this has the chance to actually spiral a bit so… tail tip hitboxes don’t extend the distance you can be hit from, they change the amount of damage you take when hit in those areas.

I.e. Taip tip hitboxes “being removed” would mean you’re taking more damage on those tail hits, it would not stop you from getting hit in the tail

Early Evrima had you taking a flat damage through the length of the tail, tail tip hitboxes meant that now those hits that barely touch you aren’t dealing close to full damage

[next jewel]

I see, I thought they were a different hitboxes with different damage values entirely

[crude girder]

As for getting stunned from far away, tail hitboxes of all kinds do not take Cc

[next jewel]

I know that yeah

[crude girder]

Not quite. Basically the way locational works is you get hit and the game looks at what “zone” that part of your model is a part of, and you take that amount of damage. Because the hit looks at when it touches your model you can’t remove the hitbox unless you remove that part of the model, or set the damage taken to 0

[crude girder]

Then I’m a bit confused why you’d bring that up when asking for tail tip hitboxes to be removed? Or did I misunderstand that sentence

[next jewel]

I see, how did the bug happen on previous patches then?

[next jewel]

Generally I noticed when the hitboxes were bugged the stuns didnt seem to land as much, now that they're back I've been getting knocked over like crazy

[crude girder]

Because for a short time attacks weren’t looking at your model they were looking at something else that determines how you move over the environment. That’s why locational damage as a whole stopped functioning for a bit

Basically instead of going “did I hit your dinosaur” attacks were asking “did I hit your environmental collision bubble?”

Simplifying there, but that’s the gist

[next jewel]

So instead of locational damage, they player took damage from your collision hitbox?

[next jewel]

Ahh I see

[brittle night]

<@&401466542140817419> #general-feedback

[crude girder]

Locational damage was still, technically, active, but since the attacks weren't interacting with you normally it was being ignored

like how grab attacks don't work with locational damage since they don't work like normal attacks

[crude girder]

Which is why stunning attacks weren't landing as much, you basically didn't have a neck/tail/limbs/torso

[next jewel]

That's unfortunate, I really appreciated how smoothly things felt when they weren't in the game

[crude girder]

So let's say this is your normal model

During the bug, only the red area took damage at a flat value

However, that's, again, simplifying

Though as for why you're feeling things are a bit more unfair, I think that's due to leg hitboxes more than tails

Let's say you're sprinting like this and an attack is coming from behind

[next jewel]

I see

[crude girder]

If it hits here, no CC, tail damage

If it hits here, CC, leg damage

hitting the tips of your toes when your leg is flying back after taking a step is, functionally, the same as getting slammed in the thigh by an attack, since they're both "Leg" as far as the game cares

Since tails don't "stop" attacks, that means an attack from above/behind can pass through your tail and still CC your legs

[next jewel]

I understand now, that’s really interesting

Thank you for correcting me

[crude girder]

When you've got a running animation like this, then, you can see anything that clips the lower legs would trigger CC, making it look like a tail hit, even if it's a glancing blow

If you had a dinosaur attack you like this and their hitbox did that, leg hit and shenanigains

That's not to say it's entirely down to locational, tho, as many of the hitboxes are more generous than the animation would suggest, to help with actually hitting the other player. It's standard practice in 3d games since making them too tight/accurate often results in attacks being impossible to land

I.e. you can hit something in front of your face with a bit attack that your jaws don't actually touch if you're at very specific angles, but that basically means your dinosaur's tail is taking up your entire screen, so it's not very practical

[next jewel]

I see

And I’m guessing the bandaid fix of “remove cc from leg attacks” would make hitting a target from the side more tedious?

[crude girder]

You'd have to deal with one of two things, because legs do stop attacks from continuing to look for other areas to hit.

1. Legs no longer stop CC, making them almost pointless for damage reduction.
2. Legs can now be used to no-sell CC attacks from the side, or from shorter animals

I.e. Diablo tries to use sprinting attack vs carno and, because it hit the leg first, Carno takes 0 CC from it. Either that, or leg zones are largely invalidated due to their high overlap with the body during most animations

[next jewel]

Why do leg hitboxes move? I feel like if they were stationary then it would fix the issue without creating more no?