general-feedback-discussion

[barren crater]

Dilo's gameplay is cheap is all I have to say. Free ranged attacks after 1 - 2 hits is pretty goofy (at night for example). Imo they should interact with the prey more than they do now.

Even a basic system of having to bite the prey to get your hallucination charges back would be nice

[lucid mauve]

Yea i get your point, not saying the venom is much interaction. But same with deino and herrera. But thats what make them diffrent from other dinos. Omni is alot more "fighting"

Im abit hard on the dmg tho, i still belive if im attacking something bigger it should hurt. Me facetanking a cera as dilo should hurt. So i actually need some timing and skill. Im not saying you should die if you screw up vs a cera tho

[barren crater]

I wouldn't say they're the same thing tbf. Dilo is more land capable than those 2 and isn't as easily avoidable for most creatures.

[barren crater]

The reason you're face tanking it is due to the venom though. You know you'll get them envenomated, which gives you the ability to attack from range

Also cera can puke you in 1 hit which gives it nearly 2 free bites rn from my experience vs dilo

[lucid mauve]

Oh yes im doing it for the venom that is true, but most animals right now are very much relying on mechanic and not dmg

[barren crater]

Kind of sucks that we haven't seen dilo in a capable spot since

actually we haven't seen it work well sadly

[barren crater]

ye

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i dont argue that the venom is "cheap" since its what im sorta relying on. And it can be quite good vs larger stuff later on, might to much

I still hope they make cera more of a brawler close up but not good at hunting etc : P

[barren crater]

hmmm

[lucid mauve]

Atleast for me now, cera is fast and chasing me alot

[barren crater]

Yeah it needs some work still. A lot about it I don't like but eh. I do think it should at least bite faster

[lucid mauve]

But who knows, they said balance will be changed when new stuff arrives etc

[barren crater]

Would help it vs smaller animals at least

[barren crater]

👍

[lucid mauve]

Agree, i meant the speed. Not biting : P

[barren crater]

I know. i was just saying if one thing was changed for the better it could be the bite speed at a lower damage, but the dps could be better

Maybe it would be a mistake though who knows lol

[lucid mauve]

lol yea who knows

[inland vigil]

@lone solstice they aren't completely random. they're the same spawns as before, but now you can't choose where to go

So a cerato will still exclusively spawn at north jungle and south plains

[lone solstice]

Ah, makes sense, cause i died right at spawn a couple times and i was going nuts, like, "I can't be this unlucky."

[inland vigil]

Imo they should be fully random (at least every dinosaur in the same locations)

[wintry whale]

@modest elbow Ai aren’t as good as players, I’d rather them increase server count or the number of servers than give carnivores free perfect diet

[modest elbow]

I agree with that

[inland vigil]

There's basically no action at east plains btw. I think you meant south plains? Spawning on the east plains side of the map usually means a whole lot of struggling to find food or ai

[modest elbow]

Well it used to be East plains last time I played I only played 10 min yesterday and quit because the map was dead even with 100 players

[inland vigil]

The reason I personally don't want to see AI dinosaurs though is because the isle's AI is .. terrible. It has horrible pathfinding and runs erratically, it's hard to find, it doesn't spawn when it needs to spawn, and it doesn't feel realistic at all to see or fight them. They need more people working on their AI system before they introduce large populations of AI

Yeah east and all that area (quite literally half the map) is typically dead. To find players, go to south plains, highlands, west rail and swamp

[proud coral]

I'm against almost all Isle AI myself huehue.
It has yet to give me hope.

[inland vigil]

Yeah it's pretty bad. I played path of titans the other day for the first time and was surprised to see the ai was sustainable and sometimes even fun to fight at low growth

[proud coral]

I do not like the thought of a Rex juvie having an easier time than it deserves because "oh hey a herd of Deer that are stuck in a hill"

[inland vigil]

I hate following AI calls only to see them stuck in a wall and refusing to move

[modest elbow]

Yeah I agree. They need to increase number of players on servers not AI. We should be 250 players on each server I think that's a good count

Or 200

[proud coral]

I mean I think player count isn't that bad. Players should be fairly sparse in most cases.
150 though I wouldn't mind.

[inland vigil]

Whatever they do, they should get rid of the no ai servers. Clearly nobody likes them

Doing away with a crappy system instead of fixing it should not be their goal

[modest elbow]

Yeah maybe 250 is too much, 150-200 players would be a good start

[terse mural]

#general-feedback message this should be pretty easy to do btw

[terse mural]

both are pretty sparse tbh, last time we played carnivore and made a nest i spent a long time scouring within like a mile radius and didnt find a single animal or dino but i found a tiny lamb that was enough for a single bite

[boreal briar]

@frail prawn supposedly the 15% increase to fall distance mutation actually prevents death/damage from falling for Herra. Not sure if this was a bug and it was fixed.

[tight iron]

@austere field well i remember dondi saying that it ain't gonna happen

[austere field]

aw man really

did he give a reason or nah

[tight iron]

nope

[proud coral]

I wanna say the reasoning was essentially, and not a quote obviously, "deal with what ya got"
I remember something like that in a past stream.

[pseudo nebula]

have we figured out why sometimes grabbing stuff glitches your dino from doing any other consuming action? /unstuck fixes it the first time

[tight iron]

be careful to not press e more than once when you eat

[pseudo nebula]

ah alright, thank you!

[tight iron]

np

[frail prawn]

Maybe, but I'm mostly refering to the falling animation that happens. I feel like it shouldnt occur unless you fall from a considerable height, way more then what the trees in highlands or the other largest tree can provide.

[supple void]

i dont know how to upload an image to the bug report so im just stuck in a wall idk how to make the image a url please move me or just kill my dino cuz this isnt fun

im on the server eu5

[icy lion]

You can right click that picture, and click Copy link

[supple void]

such a waste of time bro nearly grown this carno and now im stuck

[icy lion]

Make sure to include the coordinates in the bug report

Did you try using /unstuck?

[supple void]

in the game chat?

[icy lion]

Yes

[supple void]

oh right

that fixed it thanks

[runic crater]

@dawn frigate in the olden days, when map making had easy to see/intresting landmarks, you could get your direction that way, plus theres always smelling N/S. And the thrill of running into 100% of the rocks placed in the map as you pass by the same boosh

[dawn frigate]

the map is like 30 square kilometers. id agree if it was a battlefield or tarkov map but that is just not the case at all

we already have coordinates. they want us to know where we are.

[dark tree]

lunary I and others submitted bugs reports about this stuff back in nv horde test it still hasn't been fixed, making more reports isn't gonna change anything

[icy lion]

And asking the devs to fix a bug they already know about and already are attempting to fix will likewise not change anything

#general-feedback isn't for reporting bugs, "fix this bug" isn't constructive, descriptive, or helpful

[boreal briar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-gif-4354544

[wintry whale]

I'm hoping gen 2 have access to an in-game map, but not dinosaurs

[marble quail]

Unfortunately the dinos know how to use the internet

[boreal briar]

Coordinates are amazing for bug reports that involve a part of the map, like holes. Instead of, "Go 12 feet to the left at Water Hole Y"

[north quiver]

@arctic panther that’s not dilo’s hitbox, that was a hacker

[arctic panther]

are you certain? i honestly cant tell very well

[north quiver]

100%. I’d personally take it to a server admin. you got video evidence and iirc, they can check logs

[arctic panther]

works for me

Are we allowed to ping them to ask if we can DM them?

[north quiver]

I don’t know the specifics om that tbh. I always do @ Official Server Admin in #evrima-na (because I play on NA) and give the server name, my name, time it happened (and I’d give video evidence if I had any, but I normally never have medal open and ready to clip lol)

but you can try dming. I’d like to think that’s allowed

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Ping not hitboxes

[icy lion]

@frank tapir What do you mean?

[frank tapir]

A role like phase three and stream announcements, so that when the developers say something in #announcements people can still get a notification without the devs using everyone

[icy lion]

Have you tried setting the channel to notify you on all messages?

[frank tapir]

the same thing can be done for #isle-phase-three but they made a role for that

[north quiver]

yea the new food/diet and food value ain’t it for the hordetest. 41% teno and I’m still struggling to get all of my diets to at least 50% before getting full lol

the plants either last 1-2 bites depending on what they are and I’d imagine it’s only going to last a whopping 1 single bite for an adult regardless of the plant

haven’t even touched carnivore yet. I bet it’s even worse

[keen imp]

To include upon my feedback suggestion.

Names of the people banned should roll out in either the game or discord so people know which players have hacked on the game and that they were banned. This was a thing I really liked from r6 where they'd have ban waves and you'd feel a real sense of happiness at seeing it get done.

Again, this will bring so much respect to admins who actually are on banning hackers from official servers because as of right now we can't see it being done.

[verbal jackal]

Might also work as a warning and scare off some from hacking

[keen imp]

Absolutely, that's a big reason for it too

[cosmic thorn]

@starstreamers nesting post in general-feedback: I completely agree. Nesting already has a lot of requirements as is. Adding even more mandatory bells and whistles, and then limiting the viable areas where people can nest... I fear it's just going to result in nesting becoming even rarer than it already is. Nesting needs to be made easier, not harder.

[limber hull]

@slate folio they didnt remove powerswing lol

they buffed it by removing its cooldown

[slate folio]

oh wait im dumb, thank you

[limber hull]

all good. stego feels actually much better this update so have fun :)

(stamina is still really bad on powerswing but it feels much better to control)

baby steps. stego is almost good

[slate folio]

oh thank goodness, i feel that the stamina balances it. steg is my favourite

[slate folio]

my worry now is the diets🥲

[limber hull]

the stamina is still way too high imho, but that's more of a problem when rex comes out lol

[slate folio]

yeah, steg was meant to fight carnivours like allo so i think when those come out it will feel more balanced

[limber hull]

i think it needs some more buffs for when allo comes out, given how hard it struggles with dibbles

[slate folio]

trueee, im checking the steg on ht rn and im happy so far

[pseudo slate]

what does clicking the diets do

[frank tapir]

I mean parents alternating between getting food and looking after the nest is what birds do in real life #general-feedback message

[brave trout]

Am I the only one in Hordetest who is unable to gain diet from what usually would ?

[lilac bolt]

yeah some values are a little messed up right now

[brave trout]

I figured out my issue

As you might have experienced before, sometimes while eating let's say Dots, you can get a second dots hex instead of filling the one you already got even if its half empty

I think what hapened in my case is that as a Pteranodon, our Dots diet is locked to a certain source that isn't fish

So whenever I was eating fish, it wasn't filling my dots and just counting as null

At least this is my guess so far

[lilac bolt]

possibly yeah

[brave trout]

Actually

I found the problem, school fish despite listed in the preffered food of Pteranodon, isn't counted as diet/preffered food, when using Q to smell schooling fish, it simply shows trash meat

[brave trout]

Alright, these Hordetesting are just so frustrating I can't be bothered anymore. I'll try out these new things when they come out.

[agile fable]

I feel like the plant values are to low, I'm one shotting freshly spawned bushes as a 14% stego. feels like a little odd when the bush is like 2-2.5x my size with a simple g eat

[north quiver]

yea that’s a big issue on hordetest. plant food values are pretty horrible

apparently migrations are supposed to be better, but I haven’t went to one yet and only went to patrols, and man..

those food values per plant are utterly atrocious lol get a small group in there of other herbis, and good luck. it’s a pretty large QoL reduction

if the migration thing is true, then it sucks that going to migration is once again the only reasonable option. some migrations are either filled with cannies, just suck because of where they’re at, or just suck even more because of where they’re at

I understand a food value reduction for plants in patrol zones, but a single bite per plant is just not it. maybe half of the food value of what it is in the main evrima branch would work, but not what the current values on the hordetest are

ideally, the food values are kept the same and you just get the typical 2 diets spawning and you have to move to find your 3rd elsewhere

[brave trout]

They probably want to encourage competition between herbies for diets, which is crucially lacking in the game right now.

[north quiver]

I get that but it’s way too overkill right now

[brave trout]

Oh yeah, pretty sure it is overkill.

When it comes to balancing, The isle is well known for working in extremes first hand

[north quiver]

I just hope they don’t push this update out because it’s miserable

we don’t need a repeat of the last update that was pushed out too early and half baked lol

[icy lion]

It's been out for 14 hours and it sounded like the low diet yields may be unintentional

[brave trout]

There's always some unintentionnal issues when a hordetest comes out, aka Pteranodon unable to get diet from fish for example

[north quiver]

I feel like cera’s bile changes were unintentional too from the last hordetest but that unfortunately still seems to be left unchanged

[tight iron]

@coarse spruce it is in fact exactly like picking up plants or meat

[coarse spruce]

well then ovi better spread its arms wide while sprinting to snatch eggs or somethin

[tight iron]

i agree

[coarse spruce]

It wouldn't last a second if it had to stand still

[tight iron]

yup

[narrow field]

#general-feedback message
ive ran into a couple players like that recently, that isnt a broken hitbox issue that's a cheat/hacks issue

[steep swallow]

Once land apex predators get added what will come of the smaller carnivores? Won’t Rex kill them just for fun?

[icy lion]

If it can catch them

And if it can survive to adulthood

[steep swallow]

Yeah I forgot the Rex will probably have pretty bad sprint duration

[tight iron]

yup rex will kill them for fun if it catches them

[lucid mauve]

Not that rex got anything on small tiers, unless it catches it completely off guard : P

I will for sure kill every single apex growing if i can : P

[pseudo slate]

flying food is back cant see my own food having a great time 🙂

[icy lion]

@vital laurel What's confusing so far?

[feral solstice]

I watch these feedback channels, and it’s funny how every update people fluctuate between “the devs listened!” To “hard to believe the devs listen to us”.

It’s just too hilarious

[sage plover]

#general-feedback message @cinder haven I would assume that those images will prob be saved for when flooding and droughts are added

[cinder haven]

"I thought they had finished all the mechanics coming to the game, except for the elders. Also, the flood and drought mechanics were supposed to come with the update, but they didn’t. It might be difficult for them to optimize."

[icy lion]

With what update? And they're still planned as far as I know

[sage plover]

there's a lot of mechanics not in-game yet, and a lot in-game that still arnt fully finished

[limber hull]

no, that's literally just an older version of gateway

[cinder haven]

yes

[sage plover]

well yea I know, but im saying that could be saved for flooding and droughts

[cinder haven]

"Maybe they can add the Horde test; I thought adding some water might not be that hard."

[cinder haven]

"I think after the elders, the game should focus on adding fewer mechanics and more dinosaurs."

"There are already way too many mechanics, and I think it's pretty good as it is."

[limber hull]

that's the plan

also why are you talking in quotations who are you quoting lol

[sage plover]

I mean yea, that's likely what they will do, and what they have said is likely gonna happen. but there's still a lot of mechanics that are gonna be added later

[limber hull]

once elders are added, there'll be more focus on new dinosaurs and the human gameplay

[cinder haven]

You enlighten me, what mechanics are there after old age, I thought he was the only one.

[cinder haven]

"I think the aging mechanic is an easy one. Just a small change in the models of the existing dinosaurs, then adapting the current animations to the models and making balance adjustments. I don’t think it should be too difficult."

[limber hull]

it's a lot more complex than that

also are you quoting someone i dont understand what's with the quotations

[cinder haven]

from a distance it looks like that.

[sage plover]

we have elders, flooding/droughts(maybe), migrations and patrols are still not finished, nesting is still planned to get a large amount of work, and not to mention all the mechanics we haven't been told about, and new mechanics that may be added to the list

[cinder haven]

"I thought they had finished the nesting and migration parts, but these people really prioritize mechanics over dinosaurs. After the elders, they should focus on dinosaurs."

[icy lion]

I think they should focus on making the current content better

[sage plover]

no, nesting, migrations and patrols still got a good amount of work, and there already mainly working on rex, trike, maia, austro. there already working a lot on dinos and are prioritizing them

[limber hull]

^

[sage plover]

this too

[limber hull]

besides, again, after elders we know they're working on new dinos and humans mainly in terms of new content

[cinder haven]

"We've been waiting for 10 months for the T-rex to come XD

[limber hull]

ok and

[cinder haven]

"By the way, will the T-rex be 5,800 kg or 6 tons, or even more?"

[limber hull]

have you seen how mechanically complex the rex is?

[sage plover]

that doesnt mean there not working on it

its very complex

[sage plover]

we have no idea

[limber hull]

rex is likely heavier than 6 tons, but we have no idea exacts

some say it was leaked to be around 9 tons, but even those numbers could be incorrect

[cinder haven]

"I'll say something now: let's assume the T-rex has a stamina of 1,000 bite and weighs 7 tons. Will players watch the T-rex while it drinks water, or will it attack them to the death? What would you do if you were in that situation?"

[limber hull]

i dont understand what the point of the question is

most people would just leave it alone

i cant speak for everyone, so some people might attack it, who knows

[cinder haven]

"You are an adult Deno, and a T-rex is coming to drink water. What would you do? Would you enter a fight you can't win, or would you avoid it? That's what I'm asking."

[pseudo slate]

gonna enjoy doing war crimes on diablos

[limber hull]

avoid it

why would i fight a rex as a deino lol

[cinder haven]

"But wouldn’t that ruin your morale? As an 8-ton Deno, I can't stop the T-rex from drinking water. If I were in that situation, I wouldn't want to play Deno again."

[limber hull]

deinos need to realise, just like everything else, there are some things you don't mess with

[cinder haven]

"The Deno's bite power is less than the T-rex's, but people accepted that the Deno would have a bite power of 500, and now the Deno is in a very bad situation."

[limber hull]

the deino can also just swim away and be completely safe

[near fox]

holq qlguien hqblq espqñol?

[cinder haven]

"Yes, and then the T-rex could mock you just like the Stego did to the Deno."

[limber hull]

yea, so?

who cares

[icy lion]

Please read rule 7 #rules-and-info

[limber hull]

you can also remain hidden and the rex will never know you're there

[icy lion]

I think deino should be completely outclassed by rex

[cinder haven]

"I think people really don't like Deno. I'm leaving."

[near fox]

yo hablo español

[limber hull]

i like deino

[cinder haven]

"My opinion is that the Deno should be able to drink water next to the T-rex, but it should definitely lose in a fight."

[cinder haven]

: /

[icy lion]

Please only use English in this server, or provide a translation of your posts

[limber hull]

isnt that exactly what's happening though

deino loses in a fight but it can exist near a rex and be fine

[near fox]

hello my question is that if anyone speaks Spanish

[near fox]

ok bro

[cinder haven]

"No, a T-rex drinking water would probably attack like a Stego would."

[cinder haven]

"Did you forget the old Deno? The old Deno could kill Stego. The old Deno could take on 1v2 fights. In one update, they took everything away from the animal."

[limber hull]

if the deino is deep in the water, then it'd probably stay on land

[limber hull]

old deino could 1v2 stego because stego was weak as sin

new deino can drown stego

[cinder haven]

"Was Stego weak? It was strong before, and it's still strong now."

[cinder haven]

"The current Stego hits the Deno for 3 or 2 damage."

[limber hull]

in the same update that stego got killed by deinos consistently, it also got killed by dryo LMAO

[cinder haven]

"I think I couldn't explain my situation well. I'll explain it again

"The old Deno could still kill a Stego in a 1v1 fight, even if it was tough. Now, it's become very difficult

[limber hull]

which it should be

deino wins in water, stego wins on land

if a stego is in the water with deino, it always loses due to its inability to tail swipe and the ability to be dragged underwater

[cinder haven]

"You might be right, but I think if the Deno is in the water, it

[cinder haven]

"Forget it. It's reasonable that the Deno can't kill the Stego. At least near the water, it can escape."

[cinder haven]

Have you ever played islander?

[limber hull]

no

[cinder haven]

"Ah, I was going to ask an important question, but never mind."

[keen imp]

I see a solution to this hordetest issue, it's called don't play hordetest right now if you really want to enjoy the game : D

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message I feel like that kinda messes with the mechanic of hunters running down their prey and lowering their stam

If you can keep running they can't do that

Also it's a very silly system and it doesn't do much other than make more problems

I'd much rather have everything get a stamina buff

#general-feedback message Insects would be great all around as more omnivores should have them and insectivorous dinos are cool

Maybe baby ai instead spawns a lot in sanctuaries, stuff like baby goats and boar for baby carnis to eat

[earnest saffron]

My biggest issue is herbivores can get all 3 of their diets for free and carnivores are just thrown to the wind to get lucky or struggle

[marble quail]

Not really and the new ht makes it a lot harder for them two and carnis now can get way better diet

Baby ai spawning in sanctuaries would be good as it fixes the issue but also doesn't require the devs to implement a whole enw feature like insects even though eventually we should be getting them

These little guys and baby boars and deers spawning in sanctuaries would be great

[cosmic thorn]

If carnivores really had it that hard, then you wouldn't see something like a 1 to 3 ratio of herbivores versus carnivores being played. Sure, herbivores have an easier time getting their diets, but organs have gone a long way to provide a way to get nutrients when your preferred prey doesn't show up. If your average migration zone can barely feed a single mid tier subadult herbivore and still leave them hungry, that makes no sense at all.

[limber hull]

this HT really feels like it's upped the herbi difficulty a great deal

[lilac bolt]

which is good but some stuff needs to be tweaked eventually

well most things in general tbh

Just a little more value in food would be great

nutrients is fine for the most part

[limber hull]

yea, my tiny stego inhales entire chunks of food without much worry lol

[inland vigil]

@frank tapir don't vote yes and no- let me know here what you liked and disliked. Double voting doesn't help anything

If you're conflicted then I need to clarify or edit something

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @cinder haven i would not mind this if this is what happened during floods

[frank tapir]

I agree with food drain and gain being too fast, the values for nutrients do seem incorrect, 100% hunger doesn't seem too impactful currently because of how quickly your stomach grows, I don't believe the selectable diets in the tab menu affect gain and if you read the changes you'd know what it does, I think that the diets scaling will be ok once diet drain and gain is more balanced, I haven't played herbivore yet so can't say, nothing on the rocks cause we know they're coming, the changes implemented in the ht added locked diet slots, you can deplete a chosen nutrient in the ht by licking salt rocks (read the changes), somewhat agree, that is one of the things they added

[inland vigil]

• 100% hunger is mainly only an issue with smaller dinos
• selectable diets affecting gain is likely a bug, not intended
• play herbivore before you vote against; I played both and herbivore is pure suffering in comparison
• salt, rocks, and locked slots were the "step in the right direction" I mentioned, I was saying they were a good idea but not the rest

I have read the notes just fyi lol

[frank tapir]

if you read the notes why did you say the diet selection doesn't really do anything?

it does two intentional things

What was added that you liked and what you said is needed isn't separated in your feedback

[narrow nova]

Idk why somebody think it's reasonable that adult dilo eat whole adult omni but still not full.

[frank tapir]

that's hopefully something that will be fixed next update

[north quiver]

I think it’s how you worded it

but adult dilos now eat whole adult omnis? dang. I didn’t know it was that bad for carnivores too

I personally feel like the food values on evirma’s branch was nearly perfect. these values on the hordetest are what apexes need in order to keep their numbers in check and their competition high

[chilly ermine]

@half shard The incentive of not doing that is that you can get your growth up speed up way faster than 100% if you are actively looking for food when your smaller. I was able to get it to 208%.

[half shard]

thats not really that motivateing with how fast your food fills and how little diet you get i think they missed the mark hard with this imo, i hope they adjust the values

[chilly ermine]

It seems like a hard mark to hit. A balance has to be found between being too easy and too punishing. At the moment it feels like if a carnivore doesn't spawn in a hot spot your going to starve.

[half shard]

yeah i just think they are encouraging people to stay in an single area as long as possible camping whatever food they got with how punishing food is, i think its a bit to far, if this went live i dont think it would go down well, imo

[narrow nova]

Dilo stomach in hordtest is about 460kg,65%of it's weight.maybe it's about E/G remove food value change,but results is player need more food to fill their stomach.
also realized that herbivores consume plants faster and plants provide less food（compare with evrima）

[lucid mauve]

I think it was bad on branch, didnt feel i was surviving but more thriving. Even in a herd of 7 dibbles i was thriving. And for carnivores if your a pack, you would need to take on something bigger. It was supose to be a hard survival game

[elder frost]

hello, if i switch between branches (offical and hordetest) will my dinos remain or do i loose my grown dinos as i switch?

[icy lion]

They remain

[icy lion]

@karmic isle #isle-discussion message

[karmic isle]

oh nice, didn't see that. I suppose they would have thought that one through

[agile stirrup]

@sage crescent imo ptera shouldn’t even use stamina when gliding. it’s ridiculous because it the equivalent of walking for other dinosaurs. i don’t even get to use ptera’s true “run” because stam gets used in gliding

so in other words i agree with you

and it wouldn’t hurt anyone bc who is ptera killing

[dawn violet]

anyone know what this symbol is?

[desert arch]

Someone threw up there

[tight iron]

it doesn't use stam when gliding tho

[agile stirrup]

unless im completely tripping, it definitely does

literally played it yesterday

[tight iron]

i believe you are completely tripping

[tight iron]

ht or normal version

[agile stirrup]

does it on both

[tight iron]

wot

[dawn violet]

ah ty

[sage crescent]

right? its very unfair for the spectator playable to have such a difficult time moving

[agile stirrup]

ptera uses stam when passively gliding, right? @tight iron thinks it doesn’t.

i know it definitely uses stam going up as well

[sage crescent]

it doesnt consume stam but locks it in place

and going up drains your stamina extremely quick

[agile stirrup]

ooh okay, i didn’t pay enough attention to that then

[desert arch]

only if you use spacebar to go up

if you hold W and aim your camera slightly upwards you can get the same result for a fraction of the cost

[sage crescent]

thats true but it doesnt get you very high

[desert arch]

it can get you very high, just very slowly

[sage crescent]

i reckon

[desert arch]

like painfully slowly ;-;

[glad ferry]

So, what does Reniculate Kidneys actually do? What does 'Reduce stamina regeneration threshold' mean?

is it like the %'s at wich we can regenerate stam like sitting, resting, etc?

[icy lion]

Reniculate kidneys lets you drink saltwater

[glad ferry]

oh wait lol

[icy lion]

It lets you regen stam while moving at lower thresholds

[glad ferry]

wrong mutation name

[icy lion]

For example you can regen stam while trotting at 55% stam or higher instead of 60%

[glad ferry]

I meant Multichambered Lungs yea 😛

ah ok i see

thanks

[sage crescent]

Yet herrera gets a major jumping and climbing stam buff because people complained there was too much sitting

while ptera is left in its current state since the map change

[merry ore]

Yeah, that's true, the volume of rain is terrible, anything can be at maximum volume on the computer and it won't be able to compete with the damn volume of rain

[inland vigil]

@quartz meteor just because you haven't experienced a fatal error doesn't mean you should thumb the feedback down ??

I have experienced three in the past hour

[tight iron]

why does it matter if it's downvoted or upvoted tho

[inland vigil]

Because downvoting implies the feedback is incorrect

[tight iron]

i know but really who cares

[quartz meteor]

well on my end. It is incorrect

[inland vigil]

It doesn't make sense to downvote. If you didn't experience it just ignore it lmao

[tight iron]

you expect too much from ppl

if the idea is good, the idea is good

[quartz meteor]

other people that have your same issue will up vote it.

[tight iron]

or if it's correct, then it's correct ig

[inland vigil]

Yeah I do. I forget people are pointless to reason with when they double down on being stubborn

[tight iron]

if it's a straight up fact like you said and someone downvotes it, eh, who cares

[inland vigil]

I'm just going to stop playing hordetest honestly
Between the fatal erroring and the ass diet system it's not even fun to play

[tight iron]

yup, and this discord is the definition of that

[inland vigil]

Honestly yeah
Half the time I dread being here

[tight iron]

lolz

[icy lion]

@weak yacht A perfect diet is having 33% of each nutrient. You don't need to fill them completely

There's still changes needed of course, but you're not pressured to completely fill the slots

[inland vigil]

Doesn't feel good to have 33% diet

[icy lion]

Are you talking about the feeling of the hex not being full or the buffs you get?

Since Don mentioned the UI would be weird at first

[weak yacht]

Ooohh

[weak yacht]

Yeah the empty hexs feel weird haha

[steep swallow]

Speaking of volume, I don’t mind music every now and again when resting but sometimes I’m trying to hear and the music will kick in and I can’t hear footsteps or calls

[glad ferry]

anyway to get rid of food / nest materials stuck in mouth without relogging? :/

[quartz meteor]

If i were you I would learn to adapt. The Hordetest is what this game will become wheather you like it or not. So you can leave if you feel it be best. But eventually the hordetest will become the live, wheather you like it or not.

[inland vigil]

It's the first iteration of HT. it's not going to be pushed to main without tweaks. Don't ping me please I'm busy

[merry ore]

Feedback: I simply don't exist

[quartz meteor]

People are just upset that they will no longer be able to just eat and afk grow their herbivores. Now they will have to actually work to grow an apex of the isle.

[merry ore]

Hordtest is full of problems, from animals spawning in places without any player/life, non-existent A.I. to the damn rains, all of this needs to be fixed

[inland vigil]

I hated playing herbivore already lmao I'm a carnivore player. This just made the experience worse. Not sure what you're trying to say

[inland vigil]

The constantly exhausted calls as well

[merry ore]

Playing as a carnivore means starving to death or being killed by a horde of ceratos

[quartz meteor]

Shhh this conversation has concluded. I am also busy.

[merry ore]

I'm amazed at how little life the main player locations are, simply because the infant mortality rate is 90%

[inland vigil]

Good

[quartz meteor]

don't plague this feedback thread with your tears anymore.

[inland vigil]

What are you on about

[steep swallow]

Not necessarily

[quartz meteor]

Just get Gooder.

[inland vigil]

💀 okay discord user JC

[inland vigil]

I find you strip all the meat from a corpse extremely quickly in HT

[merry ore]

That's not what my average experience says while playing on Hordtest since yesterday... of course you can replace herd of Ceratos with Raptors, so I understand.

[merry ore]

Yh

[steep swallow]

Wait you mean strictly the HT?

[inland vigil]

It's difficult to stay full and good on diet whether you're carnivore or herbivore. Imo I think they screwed up the math somehow regarding how much food should be on a corpse/plant and how much diet should be gained. And yeah we're talking about HT not live branch

[merry ore]

Well, in normal evrima mode you at least have a 10x greater chance of surviving than in Hord...

[inland vigil]

Nesting is also not worth it at all in HT

Got nested in as galli of all things and my parents lost all their diet and food and couldn't get it back

[merry ore]

Well, for newborns is very good for survive, for parents? An absolute nightmare

[quartz meteor]

The math is actually correct. Your hunger depletes faster than your diet. Therefore keeping the player constantly moving to find more diet. That is how the new diet system works. You do not need to have 100% to grow anymore. As long as you have some or all of your diets, you will gain a percentage of growth.

[inland vigil]

Yeah I mean the parents have no real reason to nest

Try eating a plant as a teno and then come back to us

[merry ore]

I hate the fact that there is no overfeeding in the game, the animals simply vomit, overfeeding would be very good for nests, after all you would have extra energy from feeding.

[glad ferry]

Reminder that feedback is what this channel is for.. especially when testing branches like this 😊 and i advice reading the pinned messages

[steep swallow]

Yeah, even more so if you play on an unofficial server

[inland vigil]

Speaking of overfeeding, Your stomach also no longer flashes whenever you're full on hordetest

[quartz meteor]

So you are upset that you cannot eat and afk.

I thought you didn't play herbivores.

[inland vigil]

This guy and his ability to be insufferable
Gonna block him bye

Anyways. If you throw up you actually have a better chance (as a fresh spawn) at getting at least some diet since your stomach fills so quickly

[quartz meteor]

I mean the truth usually hurts... but gl to you on your journey i guess.

[glad ferry]

lmao definitely working as intended 😂 🧐

[inland vigil]

Yeah 😂 it's whatever. It very likely will be tweaked since the majority dislike it. I don't like the current system of bush afk but I also don't think this severe of a change was a good direction for the game

[glad ferry]

can imagine every baby puking as ssoon as they're born and living in a puddle of puke

[inland vigil]

😭 what a terrible image
But not hard to actually achieve since you spawn at full hunger for whatever reason

[merry ore]

This update was on purpose just to make us look like clowns, so

[inland vigil]

Not sure why anyone would want to play eating simulator
I wish there was more to do in the isle than walk around looking for food

[quartz meteor]

I mean don't get me wrong. There are def some tweaks that need to be made. But the actual test has not even been out for a week yet and people are already slamming it because it's not what they're use to. If you actually sit in game and play around in it, look at the values, work on diets ect, you will actually see that it works almost exactly like the old system, you just have to keep moving vs just having an easy grow. The way I see it is, the Herbivores have now essentially been given same issue that Carnivores have had for the entirety of the game. Which is, in order to survive, you have to keep moving to find food. Herbivore players do not like that. They are use to pretty much just running to a sanch, grabbing some shrooms, finding a nice bush, coming back when they're sub adults and dominating. Which is kinda lame but that is how herbivore game play is or was. Now they have to actually work to keep their diets up and they don't like it.

[quartz meteor]

okay you say this on one hand while also being upset that you cannot just play bush simulator.

make it make sense please?

[merry ore]

man, the essential base of an ecosystem are herbivores, they need this facility, so that carnivores have large prey 😭

[inland vigil]

What's he on about now?

[quartz meteor]

I do agree with silver on one aspect of his/her argument. As I have also brought this issue up. I don't see how a stomach expansion calls for food being eaten in one bite. The food and nutritional value does not and should not be affected by the size of your stomach. Now the diet... ehhh maybe... but how long a plant/body takes to deplete should not be affected by the growth of your stomach. It is like buying a whole pizza and eating one pepperoni and the pizza disapears. It doesn't make sense. Now how much nutritional value you receive per bite as your grow, makes sense.

pretty much, when you're younger, you should receive more nutritional value and satiety from what you eat vs what you would receive as an adult.

[lilac bolt]

it is an important piece for sure but you can still move around the map pretty freely?

actively having to engage with the game is fun even if currently it is an eating sim. won't deny it needs some tweaks on certain things though

[inland vigil]

The travel is fine, I enjoy traveling
I just want to do more. Like diablo sparring was a really good add! More stuff like that

[lilac bolt]

@weak yacht the buffs for diets are considerably higher right now up to a 300% growth rate and buffs on top of that. it's not supposed to be easy to get it.

and it shouldn't be a goal just maintain it best you can

33% on all 3 is about what a perfect diet was before

[merry ore]

There is no such thing as 300% growth if they are unattainable bruh

[tight iron]

aint possible to get it

aint possible to even get 200%

max you getting is about 170

[wooden agate]

i reached 206 as dilo

[crystal jackal]

I couldn't even get 150%, and playing a slow moving herbie I couldn't even travel to the new migration zones before they changed again. I was just slowly starving and losing all my diets till I accidentally fell off a cliff. This is going way beyond making people not able to afk in a bush, more like it's nearly impossible to get enough diet that it doesn't take literally all day to grow something big. At one point when I was at about 40% grown, I found a cluster of around 8 line food items, ate them all and went from 8% to 22%, if that was common maybe this would be workable, but more often than not when I was able to get to the MZ I was finding a few bits of food here and there and it wasn't even enough to keep my diet from declining, let alone gain anything.

[merry ore]

The game is terrible, strange diet, absent AI, few players in various locations, few large animals.

[elfin valve]

if im stuck how do i get unstuck?

[merry ore]

call admin or /unstuck

[elfin valve]

thanks bro

[terse portal]

@cursive wave #general-feedback message
Nothing is stopping you from eating your own kind at any time if your REALLY struggling with food that much. There is (or at least was i dont keep track of it) a mutation specifically for being a cannibal (literally called cannibalistic or something like that) ~ All you have to do is just eat your own kind a bunch to unlock it i believe... (dont know exactly how much)

[cursive wave]

Ye but it should be able without any mutation and I don’t like generally that some Dinos like Carno or Pternadon can’t eat there own species

[merry ore]

The problem is that being a cannibal without mutation is bad, being a body that shakes, makes sounds and bites involuntarily.

and also because your species is not that common, you will usually see other species than yours

[terse portal]

Im sure thats the point... game is already hard enough as is to find group members to play with because if senseless KOSing and mixpacks, if everyone could canni freely nobody would ever trust anyone for group play - and not everyone has friends to play the game with.

[cursive wave]

I only mean little dinosaurs under 25% so that they are young and it would be more immersive then now I have in my head a part of Jurassic Park (the book) and I know The isle isn’t Jurassic Park but it’s obvious that they have inspiration and there is a scene a little Velociraptor got Killed by 2 adults and it’s Reallistic and it would be a cool option because they are small and the Randomly bitting is just stupid when I kill and eat my kind that is about 10%

[quartz meteor]

The game is not suppose to be easy… 🤦🏻‍♂️ then people complain about it being an “afk” simulator. So what do you want. More hands on interaction or afk simulator. Can’t have both. Now that we have the opposite, people are complaining about having to be active in game to maintain diet. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[merry ore]

"Now that we have the opposite"
IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME GAME FROM THREE DAYS AGO

no AI, confusing diet and few players in a region even with a full server

[quartz meteor]

Also, you don’t need to have “perfect” diet in order for your growth rate to hit 100% even if you fill up one nutrient, you sky rocket to 100% growth rate. Now if you wanna go anything above that, then yes, you need to find other diets. Which honestly I love for Carno. Because now I don’t have to worry about my stupid lipid diet confining me to only 50% growth rate.

[quartz meteor]

You’re right, it is literally the same game. Only the hunger and diet have reversed. The hunger now drains faster and the nutrients drain slower. That is why I don’t understand why everyone is whining about it.

[merry ore]

forgot to mention that the AIs are non-existent and the spawn is confusing because it sends you to places without players and leaves places with players empty

[quartz meteor]

In other words, the AI is non existent in the typical “hot” spots.

I find AI everywhere

Not sure where you’re looking

[merry ore]

you only have 5 neurons it's not possible, the game is blatantly difficult due to bugs/errors in the game

[merry ore]

f i s h

is the only AI, u find in all map.

[quartz meteor]

No not fish. I’ve been able to maintain my diet with a Carno and it’s definitely not with fish.

[merry ore]

then you are lucky, I walked around the map for 10 hours with pteros and other animals and I didn't find anything except 1 frog and a deer.

in AI

[arctic bloom]

so how do I not die of hunger with the current HT?

this is insane

[proper oasis]

People were complaining about it being an afk simulator cause the game has literally nothing to offer- turning it into a walking simulator to not starve isnt solving the issue, its just the same amount of boredom now mixed with frustration, stress and anger because its just bs to not even be able to walk away and go to the toilet without risking starving- devs litterally put a bandaid over a stab wound and called it a day lmao

[north quiver]

@opaque inlet wouldn’t having the diets go back to being a 1:1 ratio with food gain be better regardless of current growth?

[opaque inlet]

From what I understand, you currently only need 33% of a diet to gain it's 100% effects

And on Galli, with one 40% S and one 30% dots (roughly) I had 108% growth

As opposed to previously requiring all three diets filled for 100% growth

They work a little different now.

I can't imagine what SUPER BUFFS you would have if you actually got everything at once

[north quiver]

but it drains fast enough to the point where it’s hard to stock up on the diet, giving you little R&R if you choose

[opaque inlet]

YES I hate that.

I want to increase the amount of diet we get per bite and I'd like the diet to go down more slowly

[north quiver]

definitely

[opaque inlet]

But I haven't played long enough to be sure that an extreme change would be the right way to go

Did I say I wanted it to go down more slowly? Let me see if I did, maybe I can still edit it

[merry ore]

I'll be sending this suggestion soon, what do you think guys? I'm just waiting for the message time to run out:

Fall in the Game

The fall of some animals has no meaning and neither does their cause of death, in this suggestion I suggest a new dynamic fall system (A procedural fall animation).

Spinning fall

It occurs when an animal is walking on steep terrain that causes it to fall, when the animal starts to fall, it will still continue "running", but if it lasts a long time it loses its balance and starts to spin due to loss of balance, as occurs In real life, his death or damage received will be determined from the speed of fall and the type of terrain, if he fell from extremely high ground although curved, his death may be guaranteed.

Example dinos:

• Teno, the best medium herbivore capable of "running" on steep terrain that induces falling for longer.

• Carno, the worst carnivore in harsh environments easily loses control with high risk of damage/fracture or death

• Troodon, among the lightest animals in the game, does not suffer damage when falling from steep terrain, it has a good ease in walking on this type of terrain compared to the previous ones, which cannot stop its fall.

Note: Troodon is not able to walk on steep terrain, he can only easily manipulate the direction he is going, like a snow leopard, and even if he loses his balance, he is so light that he does not suffer damage.

The requirements for determining damage are:

• Weight
• Speed ​​of the animal in the fall

This scenario does not apply when the animal is in PURE free fall, where its feet do not even reach the ground, falling directly from the air.
(100% Death or bonebreak)

[latent olive]

seems far too mechanically complex

[merry ore]

that would be a good dynamic mechanic, falling with your dino completely still while still in contact with the ground is strange and you can die in a senseless way.

something like that

[latent olive]

but how would you develop such a system

it would be far easier to just implement some kind of ragdoll system

[merry ore]

yeah, but I was thinking something like:

All terrain is a physical terrain for physical contact, when an animal reaches a certain speed while falling, it loses control and becomes a Raddoll.

What really needs to be worked on here is:

Terrain, the game currently does not consider steep terrain as physical terrain, causing the fall, my proposal changes this part, however if the animal reaches a certain speed in the fall it loses balance and goes into Raddoll mode.

[lilac bolt]

I'm guessing with some tweaks here and there it's should be decently possible. but yeah right now I don't think it's really possible with and dino tbh.

[icy lion]

@finite valley They've been called that since they were first added in Update 4, where have you been?

[finite valley]

probably ranted about it before

I will always rant about it everytime it comes up

It makes no sensee

Ever taken a biology class?

[icy lion]

Yea, it's my major. I'm also aware that this is a video game lol

They chose those names because those are the 3 major categories of macromolecules necessary for life

Even the icons represent the molecules

[limber hull]

they're also reflective of what the diet does, which is neat. Proteins are good for healing, carbs are good for stamina

Lipids... Well I'll give you lipids

[finite valley]

I don't like it, will never like it

[icy lion]

afaik carbs affect bleed regen now

if you have only carbs

[limber hull]

huh

nifty

[limber hull]

idk man your alternate is the "dots nutrient" or "S nutrient", which I think sounds WAAAY dumber

[finite valley]

Idk, call them something else. maybe a different symbol

its very silly that particular animals would only give you one of those three things

[limber hull]

so your issue is more with the shopping list than the nutrient names lol

[finite valley]

can't say I love that either

I always said I like the diets for herbis but didn't feel it fit for the carnivores

Boar is good for you, deer, nope

[limber hull]

i mean, i personally think that having ALL meat be nutritionally valuable kinda defeats the point of having the diet system in the first place

[finite valley]

maybe its not needed. For herbis I think it makes sense to give another minigame to it where you search for the plants you need. Where with carnivores food is not a given

except maybe insentivising hunting players instead of just farming ai, which I thought might be a neat idea

[limber hull]

no, carnivores def should have to engage with it, without a doubt. having it be herbi exclusive would literally just solidify a carnivore preference

[finite valley]

idk don't agree with that

herbis don't have to hunt

[limber hull]

and? herbivores have to deal with being hunted

[finite valley]

so do carnivores

[limber hull]

carnivores should be harder to play than herbis. giving them no diet makes them AFK ez baby mode

[lilac bolt]

then they can kill whatever and get rewarded for it

[limber hull]

eat grass and die vs farm AI and thrive

[finite valley]

I would say that comes down more to the ai presence and how they feed you as you grow

[limber hull]

honestly, if you removed diets from carnivores, i'd argue herbivores have to work more for food than carnivores LMAO

[finite valley]

Like once your a decently big carnivore I do think the ai shouldn't be enough. Unless it spawns more because of empty server

[limber hull]

because all a carni needs to do is find ANY meat, player, corpse, AI

[finite valley]

as long as its not rotten or cannible

[limber hull]

herbis have to migrate, look for specific diet options, compete with other herbis, etc

carnis have it easy comparatively in this scenario

[finite valley]

Think it would depend on the ai spawns

[limber hull]

you'd have to make them far less frequent and then every single carni would complain about it

[finite valley]

I mean I think the ai should be there to help you grow when your smaller mostly and then stop really feeding you enough. Idk doesn't really matter what I think tho lol

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message You must deserve food

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

tail slam is literally its weakest attack lol

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message How is it fair that Cera gets insta barf you made the mistake of getting near a Teno's legs you pay the price

[limber hull]

carnivore

herbivore

[marble quail]

Oh right excuse me

[barren crater]

tenos only way of fighting off a cerato lol

[lilac bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-evrima-the-isle-diabloceratops-troodon-gif-4321231041878727498

[twilit snow]

@maiden anvil

Instead of a stunning water tail slam, make it so the tail slam in water pushes the enemy under the water.

So if they just stick to your ass you basically drown them.

Oh, also add a claw attack in water.

[maiden anvil]

@twilit snow You’re free to reply to my post and add more of such details in your own feedback

[twilit snow]

No no, I just wanted to give ya another idea

My idea for Teno is a bit different anyway.

I want the dude to be largely downsized and turned into a full blown semi aquatic and Generalist bleeding focused herb so

[maiden anvil]

Could work indeed

[ruby sierra]

@azure ruin I would say only the scenting eggs aspect should be dedicated to egg thieves. If other carnivores happened to stumble upon a nest why not let them eat the eggs, it could give juvies something else to do other than afk growing.

[azure ruin]

Yeah that's totally fair!

[bleak current]

I'd like to be able to smell AI pray as carnivores I don't need to know what they are like what diet they give it can be a generic symbol I just would like to stop starving to death cuz I can't find anything to eat

[summer olive]

@fallow mango why so grumpy? what happened haha

[chilly ermine]

@merry ore the devs have already said their will be a sliding system down steep ledges. No other info has come out that I know except that it’s planned.

[boreal briar]

They've adjusted the sliding a bit already honestly, not not on very steep hills. You can seem to slide down some hills a bit better, assuming you are holding S to slow yourself.

[boreal briar]

@radiant nest I think with how fast your stomach drains while young it's not too hard to get the other diets... as an herbivore anyways.

Had mostly rough starts with carnivores. I never get near 100 with any of them, but we mostly just need them to get to ~30 to max the 10% buffs and have good growth.

[radiant nest]

My issue is more with the ratio not being right, as you start with full stomach but only a third of the nutrients you should have at that fullness

So you have to starve completely before eating in order to get that ratio to a 1:1

At least as herbivore and omnivore that can’t eat organs

[boreal briar]

I'm not really sure what you mean about getting it to a 1:1 ratio.

If you mean having the nutrients at the same level I don't know how if that matters since buffs seem independent of each other now. There doesn't seem to be "combo" diets which would benefit from having an equal amount of diet.

[ashen elk]

@sigmamale12313 I agree with you but wouldn't buffing Cera move speed be better? I got chased by a dibble on my tail the whole time it was horrifying and hilarious because why was it that fast or I'm slow asf

[limber hull]

cera needs anything but a movespeed buff atm lol

it's already dominant enough with its "slow" movespeed

(also dibble can't outrun cera, even with movespeed mutations)

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message I'd rather have them have different calls like dinos so they are easier to find instead of making hunter super easy

[inland vigil]

@random pier what, does the gospel not mean following obvious rules? the general feedback channel is not the place for your preaching

@mellow laurel what customization do you mean? Patterns and colors are already available, do you mean something else? I guess vocalizations exist

[mellow laurel]

like crests,feathers just cool little things that u could change that doesn`t really affect the dinosaur just how it looks

cuz some ppl might like an allo with a bigger crest or with a lil bit of feathers

[inland vigil]

Oh right
I'd like to have an option for feathers on dinosaurs that very clearly need it. Like gallis

[mellow laurel]

yeah something like that

[inland vigil]

I think the isle in terms of customization is pretty okay, but having duplicate colors gets annoying quickly. I feel there should be more
More instances of sexual dimorphism instead of just extra colors for males would also be nice

[mellow laurel]

it would be nice

[radiant nest]

If you eat diet food from starving to full, you will have 100% food and 100% nutrients

However, you are now started off with 100% food and 33% nutrients. This means that you have 1/3rd of the total nutrients than the amount of food you have, which dooms you to a subpar amount of diet simply because you didn’t starve yourself once spawning in.

[radiant nest]

@limber hull #general-feedback message hey could you explain why you downvoted it? I feel like I didn’t explain it well cause this is a similar issue that we all had and hated in the past system but it’s just more prevalent now, so I expected most people to not be against it.

And I think you generally think things through pretty well with stuff like this

[icy lion]

@fathom sorrel Read the most recent devblog

[fathom sorrel]

Thank you <3

[wintry whale]

@leaden void Your food stays the same, but your stomach grows larger now, so the food in your stomach no longer increases as you grow

[leaden void]

meaning as i grow whatever food that was in there is still the same .. i just need more food to top it off ?

but its happening at a ridiculously fast rate

as in I was full just now and 3 minutes later im back to half full lol

[gentle flint]

I haven’t played HT but the “subpar” diet you’re talking about.. I thought the devs said 33% of each diet is about what perfect diet was before, it’s just now you can go over? Does 33% still give you 100% growth? (Since I saw that you could combine them to get up to 300% which is wild)

[icy lion]

It does

The UI will be adjusted in a future patch

But 33/33/33 is a perfect diet

[radiant nest]

Correct, but it spawns you with full hunger and a total of 33% nutrients, as opposed to a total of 100% (perfect diet)

The only way to get a full perfect diet is to fully starve after spawn, or to eat something which gives you more nutrients than food

[gentle flint]

But 33% IS perfect diet is what I mean, 100% is above and beyond?

[radiant nest]

Otherwise your total diet amount will be less than 100 even if you only eat diet food

[radiant nest]

No, let me explain

An even split of diets with 33% in each slot is perfect diet, because 33+33+33=about 100

Therefore, your total diet would be 100%

You gain food and nutrients in the same ratio, so you can only get a total of 100% nutrients normally from normal food

However, you spawn with only one slot at 33%, the other are empty, and a full stomach

This means that you have 3 times the amount of food compared to total diet

This ratio will persist until you fully starve yourself

[gentle flint]

Ah, I think I see now

[radiant nest]

The sooner you eat diet food after spawning, the lower your total diet can be, and therefore the lower your bonuses are

Waiting until lower hunger results in a lower difference between total nutrients and hunger, but it’s still there until you’re fully starved

So that’s why I don’t know why people don’t like my suggestion to rectify that

[gentle flint]

I think there might be three reasons that I could guess, but again I haven’t played so idk how directly I can speak on it

1. People would rather it be the other way around, spawning with less hunger again rather than full hunger and diet? That would be my guess, I was always against spawning with full hunger since there’s no way to get better diets other than to sit and wait around

2. The wording might be confusing so people are downvoting it because they think it means something else (my case, although I didn’t vote on it at all because I wasn’t quite sure what you meant)

3. Spawning with perfect diet might skew your hunger drain to be relatively fast since you’re growing so quick, and with randomized spawns perhaps.. not so great? Especially if you spawn out in the middle of nowhere/far from a migration

[radiant nest]

I’m guessing the second one is mostly to blame, but currently the full stomach thing is pretty necessary with how much more difficult it is to start a carnivore with few ai or get to a sanctuary. Besides, my suggestion only applies when that happens cause it was changed to that

[spark roost]

I don't think I voted on your comment, but I don't think I'd want to spawn in with a growth bonus any higher than is currently given, since that it would only make starving happen faster

of course, if they tweaked things, it'd be a different matter, but my understanding of the diet system now is that trying for a perfect ratio isn't worth the effort and isn't really necessary

at least, while growing

but I haven't done any in depth study on this cuz I don't play that often

[faint folio]

@narrow field it sounds like there's a lot of confusion about diets cuz there's a UI bug. If you look at the bonuses granted at 33% 3-dot, 33% 2-line, and 33% S, you'll notice the bonus is +100% growth speed. In other words, 33% on HT is equivalent to 100% on live, and if you add all diets together you'll get a maximum of 100% always.

[narrow field]

i saw that. why change it at all, is my question. it was working fine before, and this new system seems pointlessly confusing and complicated XD
im fine with them changing systems and mechanics up, but this doesnt seem to add or improve their already good base, it just changed it up? so it def seems odd

[faint folio]

I think it is an unintended side effect of the other diet changes-- having diet active as soon as the hex starts filling, having buffs scale with the amount of hex full, and letting you select the hex to fill. Honestly it's probably the second one that's the culprit

Although that being said, all 3 were definitely needed. The number of times an organ got me to 60% on a hex but I couldn't actually get buffs because it didn't hit 100% was crazy

[icy lion]

You don't select the hex to fill

[desert arch]

Theres also apparently a bug where plants in your migration/pz give far less food than intended. Only randomly spawned plants should be gone in 1-2 bites

[narrow field]

having the hexs always highlighted/diet buffs scaling with the diet % is ABSOLUTELY a beautiful aspect of it, i do agree. i think my confusion with it was that they had to change all the other diet systems along with it, when they couldve added the highlighted diets to their previous diet system, and maybe slowed the diet drains to help balance it.
they wouldve gotten basically the same result, in a much smoother way, imo
it also wouldve helped slow the pace of the game down a bit like they wanna do, since players have already mentioned that diets drain too quickly

[spark roost]

honestly, I'm also a bit confused about the changes, mostly because it feels like if you stay in line with the previous diet system goals of keeping your slots as full as possible, you are penalising yourself with starvation during the growth stages, but once you reach adult, both the hunger and diet drains are actually really nice (for hypsi, at least), but the buffs other than growth seem... smaller? and I don't know if I'm misremembering what perfect diet used to give us there

[icy lion]

The UI is "currently misleading" and will be updated to better reflect the fact that 33 of each is a perfect diet

[chilly ermine]

@midnight heath You’re assuming that players only kill for diet and food. I find that many players kill simply to kill regardless of their need for food/diet.

[north quiver]

people will do that regardless until there’s considerable perks for living and not constantly going into skirmishes

right now it’s either nest or kill

reducing time for relaxation basically accentuates the issue by encouraging even more killing than what was already happening

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

[chilly ermine]

I agree

[merry ore]

At this point, killing babies is mandatory, especially ceratos, which are a pest that imitates walking Indominus Rex, killing a baby carnivore is an act to avoid predation and competition

[chilly ermine]

I kill for territory and stoping a threat in it's childhood also. My point is that no matter what, people are going to hunt and kill regardless of food.

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Any actual feedback or just insults and yes it's in early access and development

[tight iron]

it's not an insult it's someone who sees the current state of the game and wishes the devs were 100% set on fixing it

the feedback itself is that the game is broken and that person believes it is stupid to play around when it's just completely broke n

[urban flax]

The feedback is asking the devs to stop doing their work as if that would fix the game

[tight iron]

the feedback is asking the devs to stop doing events and to focus on fixing their broken game

the start doesn't make it clear but you can see it later

[limber hull]

the feedback is stop doing anything fun and get back to the crunchtime

god forbid they do a low-effort little experiment for the sake of fun

[tight iron]

i get where he's coming from tbh

but at the same time it takes barely any time to do it, probs took them a day to make it

so it's not gonna make any difference

[limber hull]

exactly

it's literally just stop having fun

[tight iron]

from what i can see, the person was asking specifically to fix ai

[limber hull]

still dont know what needs fixing about it

[tight iron]

i dont think that filipe knows how to do ai

[limber hull]

its literally not his job so

it doesnt matter if he does or doesnt know how to do it

[lilac bolt]

whats the problem with ai? the schooling fish ai is the only one that I really recall have issues with

[tight iron]

well that is an amazing question

i personally dont see that many issues but spiro ai was better imo

[limber hull]

how

[urban flax]

We're talking about the AI that fled to the edges of the map and stayed there until server restart, right ?

[limber hull]

legit lol

spiro AI literally ended up on every outskirt

[tight iron]

tbh easier to find

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Have you tried editing the settings

[lucid lotus]

Yeah but it's a game issue, low vs high setting does not impact the fps.

[marble quail]

In my experience it does and whenever I get bad fps or fluxing I just press aply without changing anything and the game just stays at consistent 60 fps after that

[lucid lotus]

Weird, should try that. Otherwise I hope DDLS will be fixed though.

[vital laurel]

@hazy pier how would it be balanced that carno is a long distance runner if he is also the fastest predator in game?

[hazy pier]

fast but weak, and stamina is even worse so balance it a bit

[vital laurel]

Carno ain’t weak tho

[hazy pier]

ok

[vital laurel]

You’d need to nerf his dmg and weight more, but then you have a weird rugops

[deep lantern]

Btw the reason I picked cliffs to be a place ticks/mites could appear on an animal is so that climbing and flying animals arent free from them. U could say the tick/mites at cliffs are Bat bugs.

[cosmic spade]

.

[wintry whale]

@topaz bronze Please be sure to only use english when communicating with others in this server

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Makes me think of Deep Rock Galactic's hacking minigames

One of which is literally flappy bird, and you need to reach a certain score to earn a special item

[tight iron]

@full pewter quick question, what is that supposed to mean?

it ain't clear to me

like the message itself yeah ofc but the reason if you get what i mean?

[full pewter]

I think spiro is great for pvp servers

[tight iron]

i agree with you

they said they were gonna make it available for download if they put a steam thing that lets you decide what you want to download

[full pewter]

Frankly I’d like it to return as an option, though it may have to be updated, like proper trees for herras, which idk if it’s worth dev time

[tight iron]

but who knows when they will do that...

i wish they did that

would be very interesting

[full pewter]

I overall just want flatter maps to return, not that I hate gateway I just want that to be an option

[tight iron]

i wish 😭

would be amazing

also tbh i think it's a neato survival map

but i dont wanna go to sleep wake up and receive 700 pings including death threats for that (overexaggeration)

[chilly ermine]

@hybrid mica I’ve grown 3 troos so far on HT. From my experience the fast hunger drain slows down. As an adult it’s pretty standard as before

[faint folio]

@wild fable I don't think ambush (crouch sprint) should make a universal return in evrima both because of the standoff you described and because then everyone plays exactly the same because the speed boost is meta in combat. However, I wouldn't be surprised if 1-2 new carnivores get a similar mechanic, particularly those the devs have described as "ambush hunters"

The in game playable really don't need crouch sprint to be viable and in some cases it's counter to their established play style/niche. Carno is said to be a speedy plains small-game hunter (imagine carno trying to hide in grass with its long legs?), and cerato is supposed to be a brawler/bully play style, using brute strength and persistence to defeat prey. Neither fit with a temporary speed boost

[valid delta]

To kind of add to this a little, why does the ambusher get a short speed boost, and not the animal being ambushed? I don't know about others, but if a Trex came running at me out of the bushes on a hike, for at least a few seconds I would be the fastest version of myself that there has ever been! I don't see why a predator deserves a speed boost, but the now adrenaline fueled prey does not?

[north quiver]

because carnivores are big and bad and should demolish herbivores (this is satire)

[faint folio]

That was a genuine issue with legacy. For evrima's version, I would say it should be something kinda like galli. Prey should overall be faster than normal run speed for ambushing predators and the ambush sprint should be faster than prey run, with the caveat of eating stamina like no tomorrow (or very limited time of increased speed). There's probably other ways to balance as well

[icy lion]

@valid oracle Having 33% of each nutrient is a perfect diet

The UI will be updated in the future to reflect that

[split saddle]

shura just over here suggesting the diet buffs to go back to how it was on spiro, and i did like the choice better than needing to have all 3 diets

am i scared of pachys? ill go fracture diet. am i scared of omnis? ill go bleed diet. etc. etc.

[lilac bolt]

you can still do that though?

mainly as a carnivore it makes it a lot easier to survive with just one diet

[split saddle]

so on spiro the buffs were different. when you have perfect diet now you get all the buffs. on spiro you ONLY got growth rate, and as a adult you customized your diet to your playstyle. Like 1 dot 2 s was fracture regen diet and i loved that against pachys. I commonly ran 1 s 2 lines for bleed resist on a teno tho

now there is no choice as theres only one "best" option

you could tailor your diet to what you see people playing on a server at a specific time too, not like mutations that are set in stone

[icy lion]

You can get over a 100% growth boost without all 3 diets on the HT, it just takes a bit more of each

And you can still do that; lipids help with fracture regen, carbs help with blood regen

[lilac bolt]

yup

[icy lion]

There are additionally still extra buffs you get by having/maintaining a combo

I don't have a full list on hand sadly

But the buffs you get are different than what's in the public branch

[split saddle]

yes but i liked it better when there were options of things to pick and choose, instead of "always do xyz" kinda thing. its another form of meta that just eliminates player choice

[icy lion]

And this helps with that, since you're not forced to have all 3 to get a good growth rate

[lilac bolt]

you can still very easily pick and choose

[split saddle]

but if you dont get all 3 you lose out on buffs and growth rate. this is always the "best" option you will always choose. if you spawn next to both s and lines you arent going to choose to fill on double lines, that doesn't make sense as you are actively hindering yourself with that option

dont get me wrong i do like the, have all diets get a bit of everything

[lilac bolt]

you don't lose out on growth? one full diet rn is basically what perfect diet was

[split saddle]

but i wish there was an incentive to selectively have a diet for buffs. say the fracture regen diet will make you regen fractures faster for sacrificing the other buffs. but you dont, its the same buff rate as perfect diet + you lose other buffs

[lilac bolt]

33% on each, 66% on 2, or 100% on one

[split saddle]

i care more about buffs, less about growth rate

[lilac bolt]

but weren't you just talking about loss of player choice when currently with the new diet system you can still grow your diet to do the same thing?

[split saddle]

you dont understand what im saying. by making it so there is only one good option, you eliminate choice

[valid oracle]

i know, giving a 100% growth bonus at this low value is ridiculous, along with every other buff. not to mention if you somehow get max diets it’s 300% growth bonus, don’t think anyone wants to see a deinosuchus grow to max in 2 hours.

[lilac bolt]

are you wanting to have it to where if you focus on one diet for it to give a bigger overall buff?

[lilac bolt]

300% growth is not easy in the slightest for something like deino and its not sustainable considering both your stomach and diets grow with each other so you'll lose most of it pretty quickly?

[lilac bolt]

how is it ridiculous?

[valid oracle]

already said it, you get every other buff at a low value along with 100% growth bonus for lower effort

[valid oracle]

so let’s say this is too difficult with deino (if you don’t do the oldest trick to kill an old dino and eat its corpse) you still could get a perfect diet for lower effort, like 90% growth. not to mention if food values are adjusted for herbivores they will probably have around 150% growth bonus on average

[lilac bolt]

it's not a sustainable 100% you lose diet and food extremely quickly rn?

[lilac bolt]

it's lower effort sure but for being at that level for much less overall time then before during growth.

so your constantly looking for the next food source to try to maintain your diet rn

[valid oracle]

right, but this falls back on what i said in my suggestion, this feels like a hungry shark evolution mockup where you literally have to eat everything to not starve, and good luck filling nutrients if you can’t find diets

[lilac bolt]

for certain dinos sure. also uh big plants are gonna be added in the future i think to make big dinos more survivable then it is rn

[valid oracle]

i kind of dig the concept of bigger plants for larger herbivores, however these might be a burden to find if they’re rare and they would have been eaten by another herbi before you get to it. also, the future is the future. diets can’t remain in this hordetest state

[lilac bolt]

heres a tip dondi gave on stream if your struggling to get diets as a herbi just go away from where everyone else is get a patrol zone then eat every plant that spawns

[valid delta]

I could see a dinosaurs height playing a role in this. Stego and teno can reach the high parts, dibbles and galli in the middle, and the small critters get the lower areas and things that fall on the ground. Promotes multiple species coming to the same area and would make each herbi have a role in getting the MZ changed earlier. As an addition, not a full replace of the plants we have now.

[limber hull]

spiro literally cannot be brought back. its presence alone doubled download times and playing on it halves frames because it's so poorly made from an objective mechanical standpoint

Gateway has performance issues, yes, but they're not baked into the map itself

[mental mountain]

Modders will clutch with both Spiro and Spero they'll rework em

[limber hull]

they'd need to make the entire map from the ground up

in which case, just make a new map

[boreal briar]

@merry ore from the way it's described, our vision would be different between dinosaurs? I feel that would just irritate the heck out of my eyes

[merry ore]

Well, basically, dinosaurs with green vegetation would receive a slight blur effect that blends into the vegetation, increasing their camouflage but in a not so strong blur, the rest of the landscape would remain normal.

my original idea was that dinosaurs had different degrees of visualizing the color green in different tones, something similar happens at night with night vision, some can see green vegetation better and others cannot, although it is based on light.

But I ended up opting for the "blur" which is simpler and less complex.

[steep swallow]

@merry ore it’s a cool concept, especially to sorta help Dino’s like Troodon blend in but I think it might just be a little too extreme.

[merry ore]

a sketch of my original idea

"Tenonto
Tenonto sees the color green in a saturated way, which means that he could confuse a carnotaur camouflaged with vegetation if it were walking slowly crouched, blending in with the color of the environment, carnotaur approaches Tenonto without him noticing, when the carno reaches a good distance close to the Tenonto he decides to attack, when moving quickly the Tenonto's vision easily distinguishes the Carno from the vegetation due to its movement, however if the place the carno is in does not have the same color, it ends up being exposed, for example: in the Mountains region, where the color of the yellow vegetation is the dominant one, making its camouflage now useless.

Carnotaurus
Carnotaurus sees the color green in an unsaturated way, the light green color is more c in its vision, which means it easily perceives colors not related to green or at least the light version of green, if a TROODON appears green in the grass , it easily camouflages itself in vegetation, thus being difficult or almost undetectable in green vegetation, the same applies to Tenonto, however Tenonto is not undetectable due to its size, but it can camouflage itself in vegetation if it is trying to hide among an escape.

Color Blindness Gameplay? Perhaps, to prevent your brain from having a visual difference freak out with each animal you play, there are some requirements to define how an animal will see and size seems to be the best [...]"

[marble quail]

While that is an incredibly cool idea it just doesn't mesh well with the game as a whole

[merry ore]

It depends on what you mean by combining, its ultimate objective ends up being a change in the way of playing, considering that based on the original idea it would be an arms race where strategy and camouflage are the important points in the game.

Camouflage is not a strong point in the game, that's why I suggested this crazy idea

[marble quail]

You can already camoflague literally just make your dino green or blue for Beipis and Deinos

[merry ore]

No, and especially in the terrestrial environment you can easily detect animals in a bush, since most plants or related things are static and the animals are moving, in addition to the color aesthetics differentiating both, so it is difficult to camouflage yourself.
Beipis are small and Deinos have some extra features that favor them that are not necessarily camouflage

[limber hull]

making it impossible to see certain colours as certain animals sounds really unenjoyable, not to mention how horrible it'd be for people with actual colourblindness

[merry ore]

People with color blindness literally see animals in camouflage because two colors are the same to them in the game every single day:

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[limber hull]

not every colourblindness is the same

[merry ore]

I know, but an animal with one color or another will be camouflaged to them XD.

[limber hull]

no, what i mean is people with certain colourblindness conditions would really struggle to even play with this change

you'd make it extremely unfriendly for disabled players

[merry ore]

It depends on how strong the color blindness is in specific colors, I think the most common color still maintained in color blind people is green

Oh wait, red and green are the most common types of color loss or color confusion

[marble quail]

Still though

Should we also add massive strobing lights to give epileptics seizures

[limber hull]

bit of an overstatement there

but there was an issue that caused epilepsy (alledgedly) with the initial NV release and that was quickly dealt with

[marble quail]

Yeah I'm just saying that make the game friendly for disabled people\

I'm autistic and I won't like something in the game that would just be extremely unfriendly to me

[merry ore]

Troodon and Dilo night vision:

https://tenor.com/view/light-moon-dancing-bright-gif-16638518

[marble quail]

Is that it or any counter arguments or suggestions

[merry ore]

In my opinion there should be a specific option for this, normally games don't do this because it's usually a lot of work to be delivered to a small group of people.

[merry ore]

It's just the current state of the game

[marble quail]

Nah it wouldn't be good as an option otherwise it's just detrimental for those who pick it why would you pick it, and that reason is a very good reason to not do it

[merry ore]

uh? Are you saying people would abuse this?

[marble quail]

As in if it's an option who would turn it on it's makes the game harder

[merry ore]

Wait, if a person feels the absence of colors and you create a specific option that allows better distinction, how would it make the game more difficult?

[marble quail]

You don't understand colourblindness and neither do I let's leave it at this

[merry ore]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-freak-puppy-stare-cute-reaction-gif-15215675160072457679

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Dino pride

[radiant nest]

lol

[icy lion]

@livid blade Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[icy lion]

@trim grotto Having 33% of each nutrient gives you a perfect diet (+100% growth bonus)

You're not meant to fill them all the way. The UI will be updated to reflect that

[livid blade]

how?

[icy lion]

Click the thumbtack icon in the top right of #evrima-eu or #evrima-na

[livid blade]

ty!

[vital laurel]

@trim grotto 33.3% in HT=100% in old system

[half karma]

@gentle lichen Yes, it isintended to have no smell for 5min

[steep swallow]

@vital laurel it feels very risky pouncing as Omni and Troodon, if you get bucked as Troodon you’re dead and if you get bucked as Omni then you are either dead or out of the fight

[vital laurel]

thats exactly what im getting at

[vital laurel]

noo, a QA member, i think hypernova said its indteded to be slow growth of scent

[steep swallow]

I watched a pack of 5 Omnis die to a lone Cera yesterday, they’d pounce and then get bucked off and the Cera would bite them, they’d be puking and then die

I was playing on islander so I couldn’t help and just watched lol I felt kinda bad

[desert arch]

I agree bucking is bad and feels bad for multiple reasons, but 5 omnis dying to 1 cera is just a skill issue tbh

One grapple and the cera is done for

[steep swallow]

The Cera backed itself into the corner and was playing very well so yeah not the best play for the Omnis

[desert arch]

Ah yes, terrain😊

[cyan flame]

Did they just keep attacking?

[gentle lichen]

ah i see. cuz sometimes when i hunt a family of ai and then i drop the first one, i cant find it anymore xD

[steep swallow]

Yeah til there were only 2 left, then they regained stamina and attempted to pin the Cera

[cyan flame]

Oh well

[crystal tinsel]

i rlly hope they're gonna buff the nutrients of fish and crab for ptera and beipi because they basically give nothing

migration is completely empty most of the time, fish give no nutrients, crabs give 4% dots but are rare to find underwater, been stuck like this for the past hour. nesting is impossible

[inland vigil]

@dusty cradle think u posted your comment in the wrong channel bud

@fading pecan multiplying by a decimal lowers the percentage :p 5x0.5=2.5 for example

math sucks

[fading pecan]

lol thanks mate xD i removed the suggestion

[inland vigil]

nws hahah

[chilly ermine]

@worthy heron
#general-feedback message

come again...

[worthy heron]

?

[fathom sorrel]

@worthy heron what do you mean you can duplicate your dino at a server restart?

[chilly ermine]

👆

[worthy heron]

i tryed to join eu2 after restart.. then i got a black screen pressed alt f4 . i had the same 2x . So on my 3nd try i got into the Game and saw my self standing there 😄 and then killed my double for food

no clue why i had a black screen but funny. So i didnt starved to death becouse of NO AI AT ALL ON THE MAP / or under the map

so i guess of the black screen and alt f 4 i doubled my self

[chilly ermine]

I love it

[worthy heron]

huh?

[ripe badger]

Yo, anyone know if this crash issue will ever be fixed or if there is a fix for it? Only game on PC that crashes and it doesn't even run it as hard as other games. Halp??

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message @wintry whale I think there already is a tip that says something along the lines of "there's always something bigger than you"

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Average Raptor player crying that they can't hunt a herbi that hasn't been nerfed into the ground and can barely move without losing all stam like Stego

Dibble is very killable just play what is meant to hunt it either a big pack of fg actually good at the game raptors or a fg Cera or two

Carno is not meant to hunt it and really raptor isn't either but raptor has numbers

[tight iron]

what r u on

my man

always "raptor players raptor players" maybe he's a herbi main his opinion is valid but ofc herbis must not be nerfed so you gotta insult him smh

might as well say "average stego main using an unkillable dino and claiming it sucks"

[marble quail]

Dilos can solo Stegos

[tight iron]

nothing can solo a stego

[marble quail]

Both fg btw

[tight iron]

only another stego

[marble quail]

What

[tight iron]

nothign can solo a stego only another stego

if a dilo solos a stego the stego should uninstall

[marble quail]

Pffft

[tight iron]

even tho dilo is overtuned asf stego is just on another level

[marble quail]

Ok sure maybe the speed is the factor I've seen it first hand

[tight iron]

that stego needs stego lessons

[marble quail]

18 consecutive nerfs

Like Stego is not unkillable

[tight iron]

removing the powerswing cooldown is not a nerf

stego has only been buffed these past updates

[marble quail]

Wow one buff

[marble quail]

Please name one other than the powerswing which is fair

[tight iron]

powerswing buff, infinite swing buff, powerswing nerf, powerswing buff

like cmon man

stego with infinite swings is almost unkillable, put your head in a small rock formation and nothign can kill you

[marble quail]

Dodge the swings they obvious and slow af

[tight iron]

infinite swings

nothing you can do about that

[marble quail]

Everything else has infinite attacks

[tight iron]

not 1.2k damage attacks tho

[marble quail]

Use the space between the swings my man they are slow

[tight iron]

(im against infinite alt bites)

[tight iron]

yeah sure get in the crevice with the stego without enough room to get out and get 1 shot

[marble quail]

Don't fight a stego in a cervice you muppet

[tight iron]

dont fight a stego at all

[marble quail]

Nah they easy to fight with a fast creature

[tight iron]

not even close

[marble quail]

By that literally anything other than like Cera or Carno because he's too big

[marble quail]

You lack faith in the Galli

Also yeah adult Stegos are hard to kill that makes sense

[tight iron]

nothign can do anytihng

[marble quail]

Dilo clones

[tight iron]

he'll get 1 tapped before he gets close

[marble quail]

Then he is a bad player getting hit by Stego swing when you are ready means you have the reaction time of a spoon

[tight iron]

my man

he'll just use the powerswing

[marble quail]

Dodge it's so slow

[tight iron]

a normal stego player can casually murder 6 ceras and not even get put to yellow

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message No not true at all

[marble quail]

I'm too tired to do this can I call in back up or

[tight iron]

i mean your back up is straight up gonna deny it, insult me and refuse to prove that stego sucks by doing a fight

[marble quail]

I mean Stego does suck

[tight iron]

it really doesnt

it's mentally insane rn

[marble quail]

Wait how much stam does power swing use

[tight iron]

it costs 10% standing 15% moving

get tactile endurance and you got infinite powerswings

[marble quail]

That's more of a tactile endurance being broken thing rather than a Stego thing

[tight iron]

it's still got infinite normal swings anyways

they just gotta change the stam (remove the thresholds) and remove inf alt bites from everything, problem solved

[marble quail]

Uh you know inf alt bites aren't a thing they use stam

[tight iron]

and also remove speed + combat mutations

[tight iron]

when outta stam you can still use alt bites for some reason 😭

[marble quail]

Not swim speed Beipi needs that and also don't just remove those mutatiosn change them for the better

[marble quail]

Bug not a game mechanic

[tight iron]

it is a game mechanic

it's intentional

[marble quail]

Stego can be beat by a herd of Gallis

[tight iron]

has been there for months

a stego will take like 1% damage before murdering all the gallis

[marble quail]

Genuine question who do you know

[tight iron]

patch notes many months ago

[marble quail]

Ah

The Gallis might be able to get somes good kicks to the head

[tight iron]

with the powerswing there, nah

nothing can get close to a stego rn

the only way to kill a stego is if it's afk, has literally no idea about what he's doing or is swimming and you're a deino

[lilac bolt]

@thin totem he was streaming the game a few days ago and stated he played as a few other dinos beforehand.

[marble quail]

I simply disagree

[tight iron]

well if you played survival you'd agree

[marble quail]

I do sir

[tight iron]

cause it's straight up a fact

have you played stego recently my good sir

[marble quail]

I've seen Stegos die all the time they are not untouchable

[tight iron]

what did they die to

[marble quail]

I don't play Steg I play against it

[thin totem]

Oh really? Thanks for letting me know I'll edit the post ^^

[tight iron]

cause ive seen a stego murder 20 ceras and more

[marble quail]

Dilos, Raptors, Ceras

[tight iron]

the fact that they die to any of those is quite concerning to me but i see i see

[marble quail]

That man is a very good player and those Cera were buffoons

[tight iron]

ceras weren't amazing, not bad either, stego was a new player

[lilac bolt]

what's the argument about if you don't mind telling me?

[marble quail]

I mean once again these guys are fast or in Cera's case tanky and they do good damage

[tight iron]

stego being untouchable

i can't deny that, however stego can just hold the powerswing, be patient, and it's over

[marble quail]

Also it kinda makes sense Stego is strong it takes 5 h to perfect diet grow

[tight iron]

not that strong tho

[marble quail]

Also it's a Stego, Stegos are some of the most powerful dinosaurs

[tight iron]

yeah but it shouldn't be unkillable

[marble quail]

This boy turned predators into shredded cheese daily

[tight iron]

but it's gotta be huntable tho

[lilac bolt]

what are you talking about lol stego is very killable you just have to make the stego use up it's stam.

[marble quail]

It very much is

[tight iron]

hoping thta rex maybe can kill it

[tight iron]

infinite swings and tactile endurance have entered the chat

[marble quail]

You're joking right

[tight iron]

at this point i dont expect rex to be able to do jackshit

[lilac bolt]

not infinite power swings. normal swings yes but those are drawn out and aren't hard to dodge if you're agile enough.

[marble quail]

Sir Stego isn't god why do you think this it's quite killable and while I think a Stego could put up a very good fight against a Rex the Rex will win

[tight iron]

because ive seen stegos play thats why

thats how i know it's beyond insane rn

[cyan flame]

I would argue dilo can probably solo a stego, but only really due to clones doing the whole instant teleport thing, which seems a bit odd to defend against, for anyone for that matter

[tight iron]

more broken than when pounce to pin got released and you could solo pin a 1.1 ton dibble

[tight iron]

only a stego can solo a stego

[lilac bolt]

Rex and stego are said to be a purely skill 1v1 and that's it. doesn't include mutations.

[cyan flame]

So I could see it happen, especially at night, with little to no bites needed for full envenomation

[marble quail]

I've seen one do that actually

[tight iron]

im not talking about stegos that barely know their name but stegos with decent combat notions

flat out unkillable

not even a 10v1 with ceras

[cyan flame]

Reasonable enough to be fair, just saying, the clones do seem to make or break things at times, so I could see that being a strange situation at least

[marble quail]

I usually don't like this card but actual skill issue

[cyan flame]

But are we arguing 1v1, or full matchups?

[marble quail]

No I've seen it happen at night the fog conceals the Dilo and the clones rip the Stego a new one

[lilac bolt]

if the ceras are good I mean like actually good at the game they will kill the average stego player

[cyan flame]

Cause sure, currently only deino, or stego, can 1v1 a stego (deino if stego swims obviously), but I imagine the same would apply to rex

[marble quail]

The Dilo outsped the Stego's swings

[cyan flame]

But we also don't have the other large things, like trike, rex, giga, acro, shant and so on

[marble quail]

I think it makes sense that Stego is hard to 1v1 it's a Stego

[tight iron]

nah

well tbh yes

[cyan flame]

Nah, at that point you can just dogpile and vomit/kill

[lilac bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1268341207713452083/58BB6E35-31BF-432A-85B6-64CC8D321139.gif

[tight iron]

cause average stegos can lose to a hatchling troodon

[cyan flame]

At some point numbers will simply overcome you, that's a given

[tight iron]

he's just gonna powerswing em without cooldown

[marble quail]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-id-win-gojo-nah-id-win-gojo-satoru-gojo-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-722934852497975468

[tight iron]

fight will last 10 seconds and theres gonna be 10 dead ceras and a setgo thinking wtf happened

[cyan flame]

You're not killing them all in time, not if they surround you and just bite/vomit/bite.

Will you kill a fair few, oh yes, will they overpower you, yes as well

[tight iron]

bile got nerfed so just 2 powerswings and everyone is dead

[cyan flame]

Not that there should be 10 ceras in a group anyway

[cyan flame]

Ah, true, but still, with so many of them, they'll get it off

I feel like a lot of times, the numbers only end up being one or two engaging at a time

Which yes, of course at that point it's a lost cause

[tight iron]

i mean theyll just get away tbh

[cyan flame]

But if you dogpile the stego, it's not killing 5 of you all around it in one swing, it doesn't even have that reach

[marble quail]

Why are we even on Stego I was complaining about raptor players not being able to hunt Dibble and then demanding it get nerfed

[tight iron]

shouldnt fight stegos under any circumstance rn

[cyan flame]

I mean, raptors should hunt dibble

Hasn't that been like, a main point, that dibble would be much better to hunt than stego for example

[tight iron]

he aint demanding to nerf dibble tho hes just tryna ask for new herbis to be less of a moving, unkillable anvil

[cyan flame]

Due to the much more open flanks and all

[cyan flame]

I think that's fair, maia might be more of a "lightweight" but still large target

[marble quail]

Yeah they should to bad most Raptor players lack braincells

[tight iron]

hopefully

[cyan flame]

Both dibble and stego are very oriented to stand your ground and fight

[marble quail]

They aren't unkillable is the thing

[cyan flame]

If only we had a slightly smaller dibble, but alas

[tight iron]

i mean dibbles aint unkillable anymore

[marble quail]

I'm excited for Trike to destroy Raptors packs with ease

[marble quail]

They never were

[tight iron]

they were but not anymore

[cyan flame]

Eh, I could see it being a better target than stego, despite being larger

[tight iron]

yeah but stegos too good at standing their ground imo

[cyan flame]

So should be interesting

[cyan flame]

Eh, I don't really see a stego running from anything but a spino perhaps

[marble quail]

It's supposed to be

[tight iron]

but not that good

[cyan flame]

And well, an anky, and so on, but only the largest and slowest would be something a stego could run from

[marble quail]

I mean it ain't

[marble quail]

Oh Anky is gonna be fun breaking everything's legs

[tight iron]

yus

[cyan flame]

How so?

[tight iron]

tactile endurance and infinite swings

[cyan flame]

There's nothing currently in the game stego would not stand and fight, whereas rex will have it retreat hastily so

[marble quail]

Man I'm done this has been the entire argument

[tight iron]

if they remove both but chnage stam so that you can get it back at all times, perfection

[tight iron]

can i perhaps interest you in a stego fight

[cyan flame]

To be fair, with the stamina costs, tactile is kind of a meta pick, for good and ill. And the whole "infinite attacks", it is what it is

[tight iron]

ofc it' s a meta pick

[cyan flame]

I am well aware that you do not like the stamina thing, but you need to work with it, not against it xD

And much as I can agree that it wasn't terrible before, it's not me you need to convince on that account

[tight iron]

it's just broken rn

infinite swings is not okay

[marble quail]

May I interest you in no

[cyan flame]

Speaking of stamina, anyone know how to get the multichambered lungs thing?

[marble quail]

Regretably I have other things to do like sleep

[tight iron]

why not sir nevermind

[tight iron]

run

spend a ton of stamina in running

[cyan flame]

I honestly don't think it's bad, if it applies to everything and all that, but I know you dislike it

[cyan flame]

So it's just waste stamina by normal running?

[tight iron]

it's just broken 😭 infinite heavy damage attacks breaks balance

[tight iron]

yus

[cyan flame]

Well then, guess I'll have to grow a lot before it's worth it, not sure trying to empty stamina as a juvie stego will go very quickly xD

So much stamina to use, I was hoping I could use the power swing stam cost for it, but guess not

[tight iron]

oh yeah no it's just runnin

got it as a carno once just by moving around the map

when rnadom spawns were there and i was runnin everywhere cause no food

[cyan flame]

Which is why the attack should be streamlined in attack speed, and lowered damage to something like 750 or so, could also lower the power swing damages if stam cost is more reasonable

[tight iron]

it wasn't worth it tho when you can get epidermal or smth

[tight iron]

tbh they should just remove the infinite swing/infinite alt attacks

[cyan flame]

Fair, truculency and tactile are the given ones, just not sure what'd be good for a third mutation for stego

[tight iron]

they wanted ppl to manage their stam so by doing that it'd do waht they wanted

[cyan flame]

They also don't want you to count attacks and then kill the target when it's defenseless.

So I guess they need to find some middle ground or so

[cyan flame]

Honestly, this issue comes mostly when you get playables that do not have a good basic bite

[tight iron]

that's just dumb imo

make it defenseless and then murder it, that's how it should work, not have something have infinite swings/attacks

[marble quail]

Yep great idea make it defenceless why not

[tight iron]

tire it out and then murder it

that's how it's always worked and how it should work, otherwise it's impossible to kill certain things

[marble quail]

You said that it had so much health that it didn't matter

[tight iron]

never said it

[inland vigil]

There is skill in whittling an animal down and lack of skill in panicking and wasting all your stamina. If you hold your ground and not swing at every bait attack then you will not BE defenseless

[tight iron]

^^

that's how you knew the good stegos from the bad stegos

now they call can panic and act like chickens without a head without repercussions

[marble quail]

So a smart player can beat things well shocker

[tight iron]

which is not the case anymore

[marble quail]

I'm done gn hope you don't continue this for any longer

[tight iron]

gn man 🫡

[inland vigil]

I'm a terrible stego
I suck at the swinging mechanic and especially the power swing. Even I don't believe I should be able to swing on zero stamina lol

[tight iron]

im awful as a stego and still manage to do some serious damage

[inland vigil]

Same, with enough bulk and a high enough attack then it doesn't matter if I have no skill 😂 one tapped ez win

[tight iron]

yup

tank as many hits as i need to, 1 tap his ass

[inland vigil]

Yeeeep

[cyan flame]

Arguing that you should need to tank hits to retaliate or get hits seems a bit odd to be honest, you shouldn't need to halfway die to be successful in fighting

But its nothing new that they didnt want playables to be defenseless without stam

Alternative solution, make sure every playable have a reasonably damaging and useful attack out of stam, that fits the playable and works for it

[mild isle]

Wow gm feedback chat

[cyan flame]

To be fair, maybe there are certain things that should be more or less impossible to kill for something else. And while tiring something out can be viable, if not neccesarily fun, it also requires attacks to be efficient and quick, so it's very hard to bait. Because if the attacks are too easy to bait, then it'll just be bad all around.

[cyan flame]

Only if your attacks are very hard to bait in the first place. If it's too easy to bait, then there's little skill involved. And in any case, it's not very fun to just engage in attrition, as we can see with every time terrain is used.

[mild isle]

I mean I don’t think Stego should be the thing that’s impossible to kill for animals like Omni and Dilo. My reasoning being it’s tail is its only valid defense really and practically the entire rest of the body is up for deadly bites- It’s a different concept to trike which is meant to be a tank

[cyan flame]

Trike would be far more open and vunerable to dilo and omni than stego would, though?

[mild isle]

I mean its tail and its back obviously, if Omni’s pounce on the back then that’s gonna be bad too lol

[cyan flame]

It's not purely your mass that determines how well you can handle yourself, unless you're an actual large sauropod and even then

[mild isle]

Wasn’t it said in a teaser of trike that Omni wouldn’t be able to even pounce trike due to its tough skin? Lowkey feel like that video was a fever dream now but I can try and find it

[cyan flame]

Dilo is also funny since it was somewhat said to not be a punch up hunter, and yet it seems t obe

[cyan flame]

Hm? I don't think I can recall anything like that? Maybe you're thinking of anky? What I do know of trike is that pouncing the face would do an auto-impale and kill the omni

[mild isle]

I found it, may I DM?

[cyan flame]

Sure

[cyan flame]

Don't know who the people in the vid are, or if thats a properly implemented trike. And while I guess it could be possible, it does seem very odd that they'd not let omnis or anything pounce a trike at all