general-feedback-discussion

[eternal zinc]

yeah, it was really cool, beipi with bloody claws and its beak using its 3 call would be so cool

yeah idk, blood on herbivores just makes it more of a horror game like they want it to be

[valid zephyr]

It reminds me of when on rare occassions when animals like stags, moose and other horned/antler mammals can rip the heads off the male opponent and end up walking around with another head hanging off it's antlers like a trophy :p

[gaunt plinth]

What’s the reasoning of people who disagree that carnivore mixpacking should be deterred on official servers?

[wintry whale]

I don’t mind a raptor pack and a troodon pack assimilating for one night to take out a group of ceratos, then leaving after they have food, I think you should deter certain players from staying together for extended periods of time, but I think that should apply to carnivores and herbivores, rather than all mixpacks, especially because of some mixpacks can be partially realistic, like with badgers and coyotes

Not all animals, especially social animals, stay alone or exclusively with their group their entire life

[chilly ermine]

The game is designed with more realistic behavior, not different carnivores hunting together. Since that is the design, people who mix pack carnivores have an advantage when fighting. The devs have said as much about mixpacking in the past. Since the majority of players adhere to this design, it makes for a bad play experience for others when it happens. I understand that friends want to play together. I also personally don't believe in ruining a game experience for others because "that's how I want to play". Mix packers are looked down. I would wadger that players who regularly mix pack don't care about how other people feel, that in itself is a toxic attitude that affects the community negativily.

TLDR: The game isn't designed for mix packing carnivores and playing that way ruins it for people who play the game the way it's designed to be played.

[limber hull]

@gentle rampart making rex canni would only compound the issues. For the health of the game, it should not be naturally cannibalistic

[gentle rampart]

if they are worried about their population they should

[limber hull]

cannibalism would bolster populations, not reduce them

much like when carno was a cannibal

[gentle rampart]

herbies would have fewer encounters with adult apexes if theyre naturally cannibalistic

especially if its a 8-12 hour grow time

even if they arent canni idc i just want them added as playables in official servers, i shouldnt be subject to arbitrary community rules to play it

[limber hull]

everyone is playing rex
food is hard to get

cannibalism:

just eat another rex
ez done
population is allowed to stay large, as rexes can just eat other rexes for hefty nutrition and food, and megapacks can just eat fallen rexes rather than seeking food

no cannibalism:

seek out food, risking starvation
kill other rexes, not to eat, but out of food competition
less rexes, more rex death, lower rex pops

[icy lion]

Hm?

[gentle rampart]

reposting is not a rule in the channel

[icy lion]

We enforce rules against spam

[limber hull]

what does find a hole mean lmao

[icy lion]

Even with the 6 hour cool down, it's considered spam or "flooding" the channel

[dark tree]

#general-feedback message carno doesn't need any more buffs, they just spam charge anything they can to death. It doesn't need to have even more agility

[cyan flame]

Does it matter, if it's still against the rules to repeatedly post the same thing for little to no good reason. Maybe they could use a better word than spam, but you still get the point, and it won't change that reposting like you did is not in line with the rules here.

Well, it clearly is, even if they did not phrase it quite the way it should have been perhaps

[cosmic thorn]

What's the point of hordetest if they're just gonna crank undercooked and busted patches to live anyway even when people are telling them things are broken.

[cyan flame]

Doubtful, but maybe. But reposting/repeating messages can be irritating too, and does not help the point being made, so I can at least understand why they'd see that as something to limit or restrict

[cyan flame]

Sometimes things do break between internal testing and shipping live, but it might also be that they have more important things to focus on and current situation, while certainly not fun, isn't really a problem

Fair, if the entire issue is that they call it spam, I can agree to that, they should just clarify it as "Do not repost the same thing multiple times" or something like that perhaps.

[cosmic thorn]

I'd call herbivores not being able to get a diet a fairly big problem

[remote portal]

i was just about to type this response as well lol

[dark tree]

isn't a problem?!?! half of the rooster can't be played

[remote portal]

^^^

[cyan flame]

I would agree, but that's how we as players see it. Might not be the same for the devs. There's been plenty of "not playable" situations before, being resolved when they are, even if some of them should have been dealt with sooner than others

[dark tree]

I highly doubt anything should take priority over the entire herb food mechanic being broken

[remote portal]

100% - this is causing a massive domino effect where herbi players are starving/not playing which in turn affects carni players being able to get food

[dark tree]

this comparable to carnis not being able to eat player bodies and only eatting ai

[remote portal]

everyone and their mother is complaining about how broken this current patch is, you'd think the devs would take some of that feedback into consideration

[woeful latch]

@north quiver teno nerfed, what?

What did they change?

[dark tree]

yea teno kick does way less damage now

so no more punishing people for tail riding you

[woeful latch]

Omg, I knew that. That’s why that stupid carno or a cera was not dying lol

[woeful latch]

That sucks, the damage was okay. Especially for defensive animal

[north quiver]

I only tested kicks because I didn’t want to regrow my alts again because the Scope admin server wasn’t showing up for me

its other attacks may have been nerfed, but I haven’t tested it yet because of growth times

[dark tree]

and we all know if carnis had this issue it would be fixed in hours and islecord would be having a melt down, but if its herbs issue nobody cares.

[woeful latch]

I’m actually so sad right now

That’s funny how they nerf teno, but they keep making cera even more op

[cosmic thorn]

meanwhile cera makes a adult teno puke in two hits, lol. Losing all that diet you dont have.

[north quiver]

#balance-feedback message

it hurts me on a physical level lol

[woeful latch]

Is it 200 with or without a headshot?

Because I think the damage was 425 or something before

[woeful latch]

Headshot ofc*

[north quiver]

1.5x multiplier for headshots so 180 x 1.5 is 270

277.5 if you want to assume the kick does 185

[woeful latch]

…

It’s nothing

Cera could tank teno before

And now it just doesn’t care

Especially with the new bile

[north quiver]

I love dondi’s balancing

[woeful latch]

…

I’m disappointed😔

[cosmic thorn]

why even have herbivores when you just make them punching bags for some twelve year old's The Oisle Frag Compilation youtube video

[woeful latch]

Does anybody have an image with Tenos hitboxes?

Like how locational damage works

[queen mortar]

@potent lynx there's a discussion channel here where you can provide feedback on my feedback, buddy

[potent lynx]

I don't care

[queen mortar]

thats awesome

[tropic glen]

I was gonna report it as a bug, but I’m not sure if it’s that common. But my friend and I safe logged as raptors day before yesterday, we got on last night and when she logged in, she spawned as her old Deino that had died days prior to us growing Omni’s? Anyone else run into this situation?

[queen mortar]

anything else? are you good?

[potent lynx]

yes

[queen mortar]

sweet, good to hear

[icy lion]

@potent lynx Posts about balance can also be shared in #general-feedback, and don't post comments on others' posts in the main channels

[wary flower]

@potent lynx get wrecked

[queen mortar]

thats unnecessary ycbtsx

[potent lynx]

ok, did you delete he's msg

[icy lion]

No need for that

[wary flower]

sorry

[icy lion]

No, I deleted yours

[potent lynx]

its ok

its just annoying that I only see balance feed back in general-feedback

[potent lynx]

@wary flower get wrecked

[icy lion]

Enough

[wary flower]

lol

[potent lynx]

whats the problem?

am just sending a msg?

I mean, Ain't that how a conversation works?

[icy lion]

Don't play ignorant. Neither of you are contributing to a civil conversation

[wary flower]

I already apologized!

[hidden mist]

It's actually funny, I mean recent Teno's nerfs... Cerato's charged attack deals 345, is easy to aim (you just need to look forward), doesn't get you stunned afterwards anymore, and causes you to vomit everything in one go. (((Cerato is a scavenger))). Teno's kick meanwhile, is located BEHIND your animal, so you have to turn, then press LMB and it does kick with a bit of a delay, but now it does damage of a SIMPLE previous Carno's bite that doesn't require to suffer all of that. And Teno still has that attack timer lock after tail slams. (((Teno is supposed to be a brawler as of now))).

Beipi doesn't jump high at any stage anymore. Galli doesn't have bleed at all (ahem ahem, just reduce it by 40% so it's still a threat to small animals, but not for animals of Carno's size?). Pachy has been dogwater for idk 10 patches already. Dibble and Stego are getting their clunky changes... Uhh.

I don't also like that 2-3 seconds delay on Troodon in which it can't dismount from an animal... Maybe Omni has this too, didn't try so far. It's so clunky. RNG for bucking is laughable too.

[woeful latch]

This is ridiculous

[cosmic thorn]

I would really like to see some developer justifying the ass backwards changes this patch

[north quiver]

what’s funny is it seems like the rng vanishes when you get pounced again lol that second omni or troo isn’t coming off after the first pouncer is bucked off

[hidden mist]

🥳

[north quiver]

I had to drag my giant tailed teno to a tree when attacked by a pack of omnis to be viable because after the first one was bucked, my bucking turned into grazing (and then the bucking wouldn’t kick the omni off for 8+ seconds and I needed a tree to get it off when I was pounced yet again)

[barren zephyr]

GUYS WHATS THE BEST MUTATIONS FOR DEINO?

[sweet yew]

well RIP herbies until shant

[floral quest]

why

[floral quest]

no hate but, i kinda agree. this update was kinda ooga booga

[hidden mist]

@wanton pivot wait what? You sure that Teno can't alt-attack anymore when out of stam? I think that "out of stam - still can alt-bite" logic applies to every playable with no exclusions.

[wanton pivot]

yes, tenos alt claw attack uses stam now. Just experienced it in a fight. 😛

[hidden mist]

Wait, it's been using stam for like... whole game's life since Update 6 I think? xd So do alt-attacks of other playables, I think it's kinda okay...

You should be able to alt-attack even when out of stam though, just you can't run if you bring yourself to such state lol.

[wanton pivot]

The claw attack has not used stam, at least for teno, until this patch. Its been my go to for fighting raptors, cause they are so fast.

[hidden mist]

Hm I remember it using stam.

Just very little.

Like 2%?

[north quiver]

I think teno’s tail slam does 115 now instead of 150

yay

[urban flax]

People who say herbis are forgotten are clearly delusional

They keep getting attention in the form of constant nerfs

[woeful latch]

Yeah it was, 1%

[woeful latch]

Found this on Reddit

[floral quest]

should have tail attk:(

[wanton pivot]

You can do that, but the stam is still an issue.

[floral quest]

is it of no help?

[north quiver]

this is wrong. might’ve been right for the patch 10 days ago but not today

[zenith hazel]

Let’s not act like carnis weren’t bad for a period of time, there’s no bias

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭

[urban flax]

Which carni was bad ?

[north quiver]

tail is 180-185 and tail is very likely 115 (bite is the same)

idk what the claw is yet

[woeful latch]

Gonna do some experiments tomorrow on Norden free admin lol

[urban flax]

If I was a dev I would buff teno's biteforce to 36 and say it was a rework, not a nerf

[woeful latch]

They needed my beloved teno

[zenith hazel]

Herrera was pretty bad before they fixed it, carno has been bad for a while so has dilo, cerato was also not the best when it had that animation lock on its charge bite, omni was bad when they could only pounce from the sides

Thankfully all of them are better now

Just saying that it isn’t just herbis who gets nerfed

[urban flax]

Omni was never really bad, and I haven't heard of that cera charge bite lock.
Agree for dilo and carno, and what did they fix with herrera ?

[woeful latch]

Now they’re pouncing STEGO from the back lol

That’s like number one thing they should not be able to do

[urban flax]

I remember a time where carno could kill stego by nipping its tail

[zenith hazel]

Herrera was pretty awful when it came out. Poor damadge and health. It would even stun itself when successfully pulling off a pounce. Basically getting punished for using its move correctly

[zenith hazel]

I remember a time when pachy got annihilate the whole roster

[urban flax]

Wasn't that only during hordetest ?

[zenith hazel]

No, Herrera was like that for like 3 months

[urban flax]

And now it can't annihilate one omni

[zenith hazel]

Yea

[woeful latch]

I feel like pachy is the hardest to balance Dino in the whole game

[zenith hazel]

Yea it’s a bit tricky ig. But all it needs rn is better agility

[woeful latch]

Like before nerf pachy was ridiculous, now it’s too weak, and there’s nothing in between tbh

Bone break is just too op tbh

The only thing that can fix current pachy is a small speed buff and ability to stun, because now even after successful hit pachy gets stunned but the target is not lol

[north quiver]

oh wait I’m getting some inconsistencies

first time bodies slams took 27 to kill a dibble and now it took over 34

ig the head hitbox is not liking body shots lol

[woeful latch]

Hm what

[north quiver]

dibble takes reduced head damage iirc

[woeful latch]

Maybe on that video you were hitting Tenos tail hitbox sometimes

That’s why it took 9 kicks

Did you try to kill it by only headshotting?

[north quiver]

the damage was consistent with the dibble kick test though

not yet

[woeful latch]

Alrighty

[hidden mist]

To not make a Pachy obnoxious again, but at least playable, I'd just 1. delete all speed mutations (Ceras with it annihilate Pachies, but balancing a Pachy around it doesn't seem like a good idea to me). 2. Get rid of clunkyness (let it charge the bonk even while looking behind). 3. Introduce a 3 stun system (each stun for each new fracture. So if the animal already has a fracture on, let's say, a leg, you won't stun it twice by hitting a leg again, only new body part).

So it can run away from big bullies, can cope with lil dudes pursuing it, and can get away if was caught unwary, but landed successful bonks.

Also, maybe apply the same logic for its ability like the Hypsi has? So you can cancel the ram by pressing R (looking down is kinda inconsistent tbh).

Also, for this to work the bucking needs to be reworked too. So it's smth like a consistent thing, where if you end your bucking animation, the pouncer dismounts. Not an RNG thing...

So it's again a real threat for Omnis.

[lucid mauve]

Christ this is even worste then pot balance, never tho they threw skill out of this game.

[floral quest]

with it being a ceratopsian, i don’t think it takes more headshot dmg

nor do i think it’s supposed to, but maybe a hitbox issue ofc

[north quiver]

reduced head damage means less damage to the head

[woeful latch]

Please repeat the experiment but with the headshots this time

With the teno, I mean

[north quiver]

kicks?

honestly i couldnt even kill a dibble with tail shots before i ran out of stam lol ill let you make what you will of that damage https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/iIFZqWUaolYw2g_Ug/d1337ZmkhEzR?invite=cr-MSx2a0gsNDMyNTQ2Njcs

[sweet yew]

rex is huge!!

[barren zephyr]

Good

[woeful latch]

Yep!

[north quiver]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/iIGpLFBDgoh64LzVb/d1337w1wIwu2?invite=cr-MSxZWnUsNDMyNTQ2Njcs here you go! just got it as soon as you pinged

strangely, 5 kicks

[woeful latch]

I know why

Locational damage

You were not bodyshotting

You were kicking its leg

So that was a leg hitbox not a body

[woeful latch]

Means the damage was at least 320

[woeful latch]

So that means the nerf was not that huge

[north quiver]

the hitbox damage needs to be looked at then because 180-185 on a leg is absurd when that's most of the hit box (not counting head and tail)

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure legs take 100% damage

[woeful latch]

What’s the point of leg hitbox then

If it’s the same as body

[north quiver]

pachy leg breaks vs body fractures

[urban flax]

Leg fractures

There is also a neck hitbox, which has the same modifiers as the head

[woeful latch]

I mean 5 headshots to kill another teno says a lot, that means the damage is definitely 250

And not 175

[north quiver]

something isn’t adding up then because if a leg is counted as a body shot for damage then it should take 7 shots to kill at 250 damage

[woeful latch]

But I still don’t understand that nerf, like why… what’s the point even

[north quiver]

but it takes 9 shots

[woeful latch]

That means leg doesn’t count as body

[north quiver]

everything else should be doing reduced damage on legs theoretically then

[woeful latch]

Yep

The new Tenos kick does 375 damage. It was 412 before

Still disappointed. They nerfed teno for no reason but keep buffing Omni and already insanely op Cera

[north quiver]

I thought it was 250 or 275 before

[woeful latch]

It was 275, now it’s 250

I was talking about headshots xD forgot to mention

[north quiver]

mmmm im not so sure about that https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/iIGQk148VaFsWev0l/d1337bKy8QN9?invite=cr-MSxGcFUsNDMyNTQ2Njcs

oh wait

yea if it was 250, itd be dead in 7 rather than 8

i hope attacks dont have rng now

[hidden mist]

The Isle: DnD arc

[zenith hazel]

At least the hitbox is pretty big now. Warrants the damadge nerf it got

[vital laurel]

@pastel crane FSR is only made by AMD, its available for almost any modern GPU AMD, Nvidia or Intel

[pastel crane]

I know fsr is amd, thats why i suggest it, we only have dlss now

[vital laurel]

yes, but you said it like it was AMD exclusive, which for some stupid reason the devs also made it in the settings for the short while it was in

[pastel crane]

Well its made by and for amd, so yea, but its not only for amd gpus

[astral rampart]

great game

[north quiver]

/unstuck if you’re stuck

in the game chat

[lilac bolt]

@gentle rampart they will be if they can but for now they will stay in unofficials and i think the devs will continue to try to get them into officials but for now they'll stay.

[limber hull]

also didn't you just have your message deleted for posting something like that feedback

[lilac bolt]

yeah

i was dumb

[limber hull]

nah i mean dev

had a whole argument with lunary over it

[marble quail]

What are we talkng about

[lilac bolt]

apexs being in officials i think?

[marble quail]

Oh yeah they will def be in the game

[lilac bolt]

well yeah but not in officials according to kissen for now at least

[marble quail]

They may take it out and rebalance it but just not remove it entirely

[lilac bolt]

dev is mainly talking about this

[marble quail]

Wait Trike isn't gonna be added

[lilac bolt]

to officials? no for now at least

[marble quail]

Ok huh I hope that probably is a probably

Like I don't want to wait for two of the three dinos very close to release to just not come out

[lilac bolt]

yeah lots need to be done to make them work in officials in the way that is balanced and fair to other players while keeping what the devs want the dinos to be

[lilac bolt]

yeah he keeps saying the same feedback

[woeful latch]

I wonder what’s the point of developing the playable for YEARS and not adding it to the officials 💀

[marble quail]

Just develop them more and focus on some other dinos to develop at the same time, hopefully Theri

[woeful latch]

Yeah but I’m pretty sure that before that dondi said that he’s trying to balance rex to add it to the officials

[lilac bolt]

not years but its not guaranteed for them to stay in community servers so just have hope that one day they will

[marble quail]

What was Lunary saying

[lilac bolt]

yeah its a goal that he wants to do but its not 100% that they will

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Don't use general feedback for that stuff

[ashen elk]

@naive torrent no clue why your post got all those X lmao how is that bug an okay thing....

[naive torrent]

fr felt like a huge waste of time

[naive torrent]

its just fanboys prolly idk like whats there to disagree about everything i said was factual the growth time and the average que for na servers

[ashen elk]

because it is you spend so much time on this game and for it to end like that is just painful

[limber hull]

because it's a bug report, not feedback. If you put that in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞, QA will be able to see it and mark it down for fixing. Does suck tho, ngl

[naive torrent]

for me the most fun of the game comes when im at 100% growth i feel then game fully opens then. Im at my full potential, i have complete freedom, now its just survive. I play pvp servers all the time but it doesnt compare to the risk of dying in the base game. in pvp servers everyone fights with all the hp that they have its a resource. In the actual game its completely different people play a lot more realalistic. then losing that time to some dumb bug sucks same with hackers

[midnight heath]

@feral marlin Troodons hunting within sanctuaries are intended and it's shown in the most recent trailer, despite the name it's not meant to be exclusively a safe zone for babies.

[sweet yew]

Diablo gliych why this happening?

[azure ruin]

And it's by far the most fun thing to do as a troodon too!

[austere hemlock]

Can we just revert to old spawn method… its such a pain and literally the server is full and I can’t find anyone

I’m sure many of us will agree on this

[midnight heath]

The majority seem to like the random spawns

[austere hemlock]

He’s not wrong I kind of memorized like half the map cause of random spawns.

[limber hull]

I like random spawns but I want group spawns

[sudden shell]

this is the best possible solution

[cedar drum]

what is the new eye migration thing

[sage plover]

patrol zone, its just a secondary smaller migration for your group only

[cedar drum]

alright

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
Turn off DLSS

its been an issue lately

[inland vigil]

Did you log off on a cliff/above sea level? They explanded the swamp. You could have picked an unfortunate place to safelog

[tall hearth]

@main bear put that in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 since it's regarding a bug that happened.

[main bear]

I dont have a clip of it so I wouldnt be able to submit it

I only just learnt from a friend how to turn on game capture

[urban flax]

Posting a clip isn't mandatory

[tall hearth]

I don't believe you need a clip, likely just a description of what happened

Video and photo evidence is optional in the report, so just make sure you give a decent description

[unique mirage]

do you know that you need to jump off manually now?

[main bear]

yes I was spamming space trying to get off and they were even pushing me against a cliff

[vapid relic]

Doop was in frozen pounch position, away from the cliff, not on the cera on my screen

[barren zephyr]

This needs to be fixed

[barren zephyr]

LMAOO

Fr, I almost had Epileptic seizure from it

[rare patio]

I've been experiencing it, too. I fixed it by going into NVIDIA settings and turning on the image scaling because nothing I did in the games settings worked.

[latent olive]

@frank tapir according to the big boss himself, megalania is the lowest priority playable on the list

which I’m crying about because I’m the one who makes up approximately 20% of all “megalania” mentions on the discord

with your idea, I disagree, as burrowing should come with either protoceratops, or if the devs are feeling adventurous, minmi

megalania should release once all of the mechanics and systems it meant to utilise are complete, personally

[pseudo slate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828507079870382112/1287070430573760634/20240921170955_1.jpg?ex=66f0353f&is=66eee3bf&hm=dcf5690e12cf882e7dfb364c09f3af23ca30acf58cc0c95aee1d4207f3400b51&

the meat is floating

[cosmic thorn]

They updated Troodons and gave them psychic telekinesis powers

[desert arch]

The buff troodon needed🔥

[lone cave]

Give dilo jump

[dusky swift]

No

[buoyant lion]

Anybody else getting food stuff in their mouth

[boreal nymph]

How to fix the gamebreaking food bug other than getting pounced? character cannot jump, logout, sit, eat, or use any call outs

[pseudo slate]

man i keep getting the same bug but for me i spam V to change camera angle maybe thats why

[zenith hazel]

#general-feedback message Allo 4 shotting cerato? Hell nah

[north quiver]

allo 1 shotting Omni means its bite force has to be at least what, 450? lol isn’t deino’s 500

[lucid mauve]

It should defnitly kill a omni in one go with whatever ability it has lol

[north quiver]

I think the guy was talking about just the normal bite and not ability

[lucid mauve]

Prob not 500, but if it does bite it. That omni prob running to get that bleed off

Im not sure what weight galli has, but it looks like if it ambush a galli according to the picture. It can kill it

[zenith hazel]

Allos biteforce shouldn’t be anything too crazy. It’s supposed to excel in dealing bleed

[lucid mauve]

Yes, but we are talking about a big mid tier. It should defintly kill a small tier fast

[lilac bolt]

if it can keep up with one yeah it should one shot most of them besides maybe a few

[thin aurora]

how many rams can a sub adult carno do before running out of stam

[still sinew]

Questions::

• o1. Do you have to 3call to receive chuff buff or does it still activate automatically?
• o2. If you die as a creature is it now have a cool down to play it again?

[hidden mist]

1. Cera's Body buff activates automatically in the close proximity to the body. You don't even need to chuff all the time, it's just a smol visual thing.
2. No, you don't have cooldowns, however spawns are randomised now.

[still sinew]

ah, thank you - I'm watching a live stream of the game and they are playing on AU official, when they died the creature played was on cooldown hmm :/

[hidden mist]

That's weird though. Do they play on Spiro, not Gateway?.. Maybe it's the much older version of the game there.

[still sinew]

gate way - but the more I'm watching they may have fiibbed to diswade stream snipers xD

[frank tapir]

yeah I know :(

[frank tapir]

the game definitely needs more burrowers once burrowing is implemented, I just think megalania should have somewhat of a focus since it's the best predator for the burrowing playables. So that several species don't become largely untouchable and then get the ptera treatment or have an unfair way to push them out of the burrow, like simply digging them out like tacos, to balance it.

[junior nymph]

@slate grotto did you press space bar?

[slate grotto]

I did, multiple times. Like absolutely smashing this spacebar and it just wouldn't let me dismount lol

[junior nymph]

😦 rip

[spark lantern]

Did The Deino got smaller?

[junior nymph]

as a newborn yes

[spark lantern]

No like adult

[junior nymph]

no I dont think so

[slate grotto]

Nah they're still 8 ton beasts from what I can remember

[spark lantern]

It looks smaller

[verbal nest]

@dull perch Doesnt that just make troodons weaker dilos?

[limber hull]

literally just nerfed Troodon lmao

[dull perch]

they already are

if anything its differentiates its playstyle of a group glass canon

and doesn't let things just run away as soon as you get stage 3

[dull perch]

how?

[verbal nest]

Maybe instead of the nightvision thing, then make it weaken the target and slow them down? Troodons dont need things to go blind, thats more of a dilo thing

Troodons can hide in the undergrowth easy

[limber hull]

being slower than dryos and herreras in the day for one, venom's damage buff not activating till level 3 is a huge nerf

[dull perch]

sure thats the weakest point, I simply put it there to incentivize nighthunting (night predator am i right) since dilo has the benefit of needing less bites at night and troodon doesnt have any buff at all.

[limber hull]

troodon has crazy good NV, it doesn't need to be forced to hunt at night. Its small size combined with other animals having poor NV makes it very difficult to track compared to a big boy like dilo

[dull perch]

its in a effort to balance the pretty strong venom it would entroduce at night

[verbal nest]

Its also kinda weird Herra has good night vision, it seems more of a diurnal hunter

[dull perch]

the damage buff currently activates at stage 3 , it would be unchanged

[limber hull]

it activates at all stages

it's only at its most powerful at stage 3

[dull perch]

its not being forced but encouraged, i think giving all these venom buffs and keeping it as mobile in daytime would be too much

[limber hull]

It's literally not even that mobile

[vale pawn]

I heard dondi say it has good NV so that you dont jump 3 branches and go "alr where am I"

[dull perch]

im pretty sure thats not true, but if it is, it should be kept

[verbal nest]

Having bite strength buff in a pack would be cool, and making it weaken the targets,

mobile in turn for weakness

[verbal nest]

Oh yeah that makes sense LOL didnt think of that

[dull perch]

it jukes everything in the roster but omni

thats pretty mobile if i say so myself

faster than cera, and turns better than dilo for example

[boreal nymph]

pouncin

[verbal nest]

It can be fast during the night and the day, slowing things down, it would also do competition for dilos if they slow them down perhaps?

[dull perch]

the issue is not the damage

people just run away as soon as you get them to stage 3, and since troodon doesnt do great bleed

[verbal nest]

Yeah, make the venom weaken and slow the target

[dull perch]

by the time you catch up its back to square 0

[verbal nest]

make the venom slow the target and weaken bite force by a little bit

then they cant run

make running do more stamina

[dull perch]

Id agree to that

[verbal nest]

maybe even make them throw up, and have Ceras and Troodons co-exist, Troodons sick their large t-rex buddies on ya

but have troodons on ceras diet

[dull perch]

nah screwing with your stomach should be ceras thing,

[verbal nest]

well, venom makes things sick

[dull perch]

ye but you know keep the animals distinct

[verbal nest]

if the target is being weakened, then a lot of venom on the target could make them throw up, gives Cera more use

theyd need more use when the apex update comes out

weakend = probably sick = throw up? = maybe reduces the effect the venom has, since its kkinda out of the victims system in turn?

[dull perch]

the thing is

if you are gonna give it all that, it must only happen at night\

or else it turns troodon into even more of a rat omni

people should pick the "nighthunter" for nighthunting

[verbal nest]

For the dilo thing i suggested,

more weight = more bites

to make them throw up they need a bit more then the stage 3 venom

so like a cera could be 8 bites or smth

spino even more like 15

then to make them throw up you need like 1-3 more

[dull perch]

15 is too low for how big and slow spino would be

[verbal nest]

then 20

Agree?

Give troodons slowing and weakening venom, that gives sickness, since troodons have more energy during the night, its a lot better at night and the victim can only throw up at night, calling ceras but ceras are diurnal, and troodons are on cera's diet

Make troodons fast, but obviously weak, but they weaken their targets

Seperates them from the horror induced dilos, and also allows for competition

[dull perch]

the devs would figure out the numbers they deemed "balanced" but yeah it should only apply at night

[verbal nest]

It should probably also be by day, just much MUCH more weaker, and probably just in the version of running takes more stamina, since they need to eat at day too tbh

[dull perch]

i do think that having to many dinos that make u puke

and therefore nuke your nutrients is kinda bad

[verbal nest]

only 2 really, and the puking thing could be very up there, and only for weaker dinos similar to troodons weight like omni and dilo

and utah

[dull perch]

then id agree, sure

[verbal nest]

Because it would make sense, if the venom is making you slower and take more stamina for running and stuff, then it must have sickening effects no? And probably only potent during night and on smaller creatures

[dull perch]

do you think it should be faster than omni at night?

[verbal nest]

hrmmm probably

though it could get laggy

[latent olive]

stamina venom

[dull perch]

i didnt wanna go so far but since its getting nuked in the day

[latent olive]

triggering.......my ptsd..........

[dull perch]

lmao

[limber hull]

I wanted an effect for Troodon where its bite works like septic, except you vomit blood, losing health, stam and blood

[verbal nest]

omni are already really glitchy

[dull perch]

i think the devs wanna avoid DOT

[limber hull]

It's not DoT

[dull perch]

you said ur losing blood

[limber hull]

vomiting it

it's like bile, a single loss

[dull perch]

so every pounce at stage 3 triggers it or?

[limber hull]

nah

i'd have it be activated by bites

[cosmic storm]

@stiff apex I don’t see what your talking about here #general-feedback message

[stiff apex]

the tail shrinks in sitting animation, and then it grows back

[cosmic storm]

I think you’re eyes are seeing an illusion or something

[verbal nest]

No, I see it

it has a clipping bug

it slightly shrinks but only a bit

but only for really a second, then it fixes itself

unless thats just because you got back up

[stiff apex]

this

[cosmic storm]

I can see it’s going into the floor, I don’t see the shrinking

[verbal nest]

I dont see why thats unplayable though

[stiff apex]

that was a joke lol

but yeah the tail shrinks a little bit

i can take another clip from a different perspective if needed

[cosmic storm]

Sure

[verbal nest]

I think its because it curves in a little

ooh yeah i see it

[stiff apex]

hope it helps :D

[verbal nest]

very hard to see

longer then tail next to you vrs as long

but it fixes in a second

probably just an animation issue and a floor-to-character processing issue

[sterile scroll]

there any news on devs about optimize the evrima?

[mortal vessel]

Give it another 10 years and there might be a few less bugs

[tight iron]

apparently they try and optimize whatever they can but each update introduces more features which make performance worse

[sterile scroll]

thats sad.. the legacy is so clean, they could do this on evrima too

[cosmic thorn]

Ptera can spawn at Water Access and at Southwest access, but it should at least get Delta as a possible spawn location.

[lucid mauve]

Not sure if it works in evrima, but ark is upgrading their engine. Here whats the dev said about it on X atleast: FYI, we are working on upgrading ARK Survival Ascended to Unreal Engine 5.4. This will result in major improvements to performance, memory, and graphics features, among other things, for all the game's platforms! ETA for the release: This Summer

[balmy compass]

Evrima works perfectly fine for me. I know it needs some optimisation but I play on the highest settings and get over 60 frames most of the time.

I think it's doing alright for an ea game with how stunning everything is

I haven't experienced lag in a long time so I've been noticing some effort

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil i do like how you call it a tropical bird noise, but as an Aussie who often sees and hears these birds, I agree 100%, it's an awesome sound

in fact, I think it was in the ambience a while ago, but remvoed for some reason

[hidden mist]

You run in the middle of the forest, then suddenly fall off a cliff and the last thing you hear is this Kookaburra... 10/10.

[storm oasis]

i get less fps with this update. it's only me or it's a common thing

[tight iron]

every update introduces things, so you get less fps

it's completely normal

[woeful latch]

nope, it’s not xD

[sly dawn]

did they release a new update cuz i had to update my steam

?

[limber hull]

dont think so

[sly dawn]

ok

[desert arch]

I lost half of my fps this update, went from 60 to 30😔

[limber hull]

same lol

[desert arch]

Damn, I thought my potato pc just gave up

This is kinda reassuring ig XD

Still wonder what caused this massive downgrade in performance though🤔

[jovial dune]

Trust me Half of The isle population not playing rn not because of this fps issue including myself cause its literally unplayable in mid end pc i hope they listen to people and just bring one whole update on bug fix , glitch fix and fps fix but i know they wont cause they dont care nor they listen to any feedbacks

[jovial dune]

i feel you man i cant even get 15fps to play with its 4-5 in literally empty areas

[hidden mist]

Club of those who lost their fps, I'm with you...

[desert arch]

[hidden mist]

@desert arch I don't dislike that Troodon got the same treatment as Omni, especially if it eventually will have moving while latched too, I just don't like the delay only after which you can dismount... Is it around 2-3 seconds last time I checked? I think it's fixable with current [Spacebar] to dismount controls too, at least I hope so.

Tl;dr, they just need to get rid of this delay.

[desert arch]

The delay is the same as it was last update, you just have to dismount manually which is why it feels slower.

[hidden mist]

Ah, I thought it was faster back then lol. Feels really sluggish though, maybe it would be better overall if they were to dismount more swiftly.

[desert arch]

If you spam spacebar you can get a similar dismount time to how it was before, but that doesnt exactly feel good... :/

And even if troodon gets movement while latched on, it doesnt have any attacks while latched so setting dismount back to rmb wouldnt cause any harm

[cosmic storm]

@junior surge animals in real life are even more aggressive than players in The Isle. And as a herbivore player I will explain why; why should I not kill others before they even so much as have a chance to kill me? There you go, I shouldn’t wait, I should just stomp your skull now before you, pathetic and small as you are juvi cerato, get big enough to threaten me, a gallimimus or dryosaurus. In real life water buffalo, elephants, hippos, and giraffes will stomp the faces of lions in just for them being in proximity. It’s about survival.
So we should do something about these overconfident fools who hate getting bashed for getting too close instead.
#general-feedback message

As a solo as well, it’s more efficient for me to kill on sight to avoid being followed or ambushed by anyone I don’t like.

Stegosaurs don’t have spikes to look pretty.

And ceratosaurs don’t have teeth for just smiling.

If you want cuddle babies, go play Path of Acorns.

Or Pets of Bermuda

This is The Isle, we don’t do that here

I like making it to adult, and I like surviving, so if you want me to not KOS, then keep away and don’t get in my attack radius or play on no KOS servers.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i wonder if he could've made his point without being passive aggressive the entire time. Point out in the flaws in the updates, absolutely, but being an ass isn't going to increase the chance the devs take your feedback into account (referring to the video btw)

[lucid mauve]

Honestly bob is quite good now with the changes they did, almost impossible to cuddle. I do agree on pot lol, that is crap

[cosmic storm]

I don’t think either BoB or PoT are bad, but they are not designed for the same experience is the main point I am getting across

Aka; fewer KOSers and less reason to be a murder happy player because the communities are in general more passive than The Isle

And also their hunger and thirst system don’t support combat as much

Compared to the constant “Kill or you die” for carnivores in The Isle, and the “Carnivores will hunt you on sight because they’re always starving” for herbivores.

Not that it always is that way, but it usually is

[cosmic storm]

“I wonder if he could’ve made his point without being Passive Aggressive”
(No comment)
Actually comment; Passive Aggressive tends to be pretty common here from my experience. He’s fitting in just fine.

And it’s text on a screen, so uhhhhh…

[cyan flame]

Shouldn't most of that be filed under a bug report anyway, and not as feedback

[cosmic storm]

I mean, if you think about it, a bug report is feedback, isn’t it?

But otherwise yes.

[cyan flame]

Feedback is what you think of something, bug report is "this isn't doing what it should". So not quite.

[cosmic storm]

Well your giving feedback on what you think of a bug

[cyan flame]

I don't think that's how it works really

[cosmic storm]

Feedback by definition is a tactical response, a reaction, or a report so I am going to disagree.

In this case a report.

More accurately synonymous with a report, reaction, or response.

Point still stands.

[cyan flame]

Can't agree on that, report bug as bug, feedback is not the same, not as far as I'm concerned

[cosmic storm]

Well then your not concerned, so the simple is it belongs in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 which funny enough the devs put in feedback, which suggests the devs also view a bug report as feedback, but besides that yes.

Also Checkmate on bug report in feedback category

[cyan flame]

Pretty sure they put it there so people would go use that instead of feedback, but maybe not

[cosmic storm]

It definitely is designed for reporting bugs but it still shows that a bug report is still a type of feedback

[cyan flame]

Or you're just not really grasping the difference between feedback, a report, and so on

[cosmic storm]

Or the devs agree with me on my point.

[cosmic storm]

Or your assuming the definition of feedback is not synonymous with the definition of a report

[cyan flame]

Seeing as there are different categories, the post might still be in the wrong one, which was the point. Like how you put balance in well, balance and nor in general, and so on

[cosmic storm]

They’re the same category in different channels

[cosmic storm]

But let’s be honest, it’s general feedback, it encompasses all feedback and reports

[cyan flame]

No, I just keep them distinct, but I understand most people do not

[cosmic storm]

General meaning widespread or comprehensive

General Feedback meaning comprehensive and widespread reports and responses

[cosmic storm]

So you agree with me but have a preference to keep them separate

Which is also understandable

[cosmic storm]

So the reality of this argument is; we both understand each other’s side but made it convoluted
lmao

[cyan flame]

Pretty much. I much prefer to be far more specific in definitions, so that's probably it

[cosmic storm]

And I like both specific and vague definitions, so it makes sense

Yeahhhh… we need more servers or more server size… #general-feedback message

lmao

[cyan flame]

@cosmic stormAre AI settings actually a thing these days? Aside from AI/no AI that is?

[cosmic storm]

Idk, it’s mostly irrelevant to the request I am making being entirely honest.

I do know there are High AI servers

Unofficial

So I guess yes technically

[cyan flame]

True, I wast just curious, if it's a thing or just something they write to attract people xD

[cosmic storm]

Lol

[cosmic storm]

I’ve nearly spent an hour doing nothing because I am waiting to join a server. Lmao

[cyan flame]

Find a better game to play!

[cosmic storm]

Is that the best advice we’re getting? Just leave The Isle?

Seems rather … damaging to the game … don’t you think?

[tight iron]

how bout fixing the issues instead 🤔

[cyan flame]

Well, for now, yes. If the game isn't currently entertaining or otherwise to your taste, then it's reasonable to go do something else.

[cosmic storm]

Seems like the more solid and reasonable choice.

[cyan flame]

Oh sure, but I was unaware you could do that. By all means go ahead! xD

[cosmic storm]

I enjoy playing, but I could be playing rather than waiting.

[tight iron]

oh well

[cyan flame]

Or are we talking about what the devs should do, rather than what we should do while we wait for the devs to fix things?

[cyan flame]

Not really, from what I know, the devs will develop the game, if we're here or not won't change that

[cosmic storm]

Such as what my idea here was supposed to help happen; #general-feedback message

[tight iron]

mone is mone

[cyan flame]

And generally, the recommendation is that if you're not having fun, go find something else that is fun to do instead

[tight iron]

im pretty sure he's talking about the queues

[cyan flame]

I know. But that's still part of it, no?

[tight iron]

not about the game itself

[cosmic storm]

The Queues are the problem

[tight iron]

i mean yeah

it's not a bad idea to maybe add one more server to alleviate the queues tho

[cyan flame]

?

[cosmic storm]

The game has it’s issues, but the one that’s most problematic is definitely the Queues. Not enough servers.

[tight iron]

money is money

[cyan flame]

Far as I know, money is not an issue

[tight iron]

yeah but if they lose a ton of ppl then it might be one

[cosmic storm]

This

[tight iron]

if nobody's here no deving can be done

[cosmic storm]

That’s the truth

[cyan flame]

I don't think it is, from what I know, they got plenty enough, no matter if we're here or not, but that could have changed

[tight iron]

oh yeah they got more than enough, but if we all dip then, well, no more deving

[cosmic storm]

So if they have plenty, they can make another server yeah?

[cyan flame]

Why no more deving if they still have the money?

[tight iron]

cause then it would be a waste

no one spends money on deving a game that nobody will play

[cyan flame]

Of course they can, at no point have I suggested that they should or shouldn't do something. My only point was that if you do not enjoy sitting there waiting, there are probably more fun things to do. So leave a feedback, and do something else while you wait for game to get better.

[cosmic storm]

I might do that

I may be doing that

[cyan flame]

Except Dondi is making the game for himself, not for us

[cosmic storm]

Why make a multiplayer game then?

[tight iron]

IMMA BE HONEST

that's pretty real

i cant lie

[cosmic storm]

I mean yeah

[cyan flame]

Because he wanted it that way? I don't know, but the entire game is pretty much his project, or were at the very least

Why we get all the unofficial settings, because official is his vision and if that does not suit you, then make your own unofficial how you want it, and so on

But last I heard, game is done because Dondi wants the game, and thus, us being here or not, won't change that

[cosmic storm]

Yeah. Or I could make my own game where I make money instead of spending it.

But valid either way.

Lmao

[cyan flame]

You could. There are multiple reasons as to why you can do something

[cosmic storm]

And perhaps I might just be doing something

[cyan flame]

Oh?

[cosmic storm]

I subscribe to the ideal of “if you want something done, do it yourself”

I want a good dinosaur simulator made

[cyan flame]

Reasonable enough!

[cosmic storm]

So I am, be it unsurprisingly very slowly because I am lazy, doing that

[cyan flame]

Then I'll hope that if you do have a stego or similar, that yours is better than the Isle one! Maybe one day I'll find a game that has a proper stego or similar!

[cosmic storm]

No doubt that if I make a stego, I will do it justice. I will do all the dinos of my game justice, from the tiny compsognathus to the titanic argentinosaurs. If those dinos get added to my plan when I get that far.

Only issue is I hate 3D modeling, and I don’t have money to pay so learning is the main issue right now. :p

Back to The Isle because my ideas don’t matter until I can prove I can do it; The Isle Queue issues

I have been here so long my plans are slowly leaking against my willpower.

Lmao

I’m starting to understand the meaning of Sunk Cost Fallacy I have been here so long

[cyan flame]

@cosmic stormWhen did you start playing the Isle?

[cosmic storm]

Uhhh… when servers weren’t 99% queue like back in 2016 or 2017.

Right around when Progression was replaced by Survival

I don’t remember when

Not specifically at least

65 million years ago

[cyan flame]

So decently "old" player then, good. Since you're just sitting around there being bored, do you have any interesting stories to tell, some encounter ingame that you remember or so?

[cosmic storm]

Dilophosaur super pack or the Battle at Great Falls come to mind

Simplified Dilo pack was like 15 players and we destroyed a server

Battle at Great Falls I was a para and we got swarmed by all the apexes on the server ending in a bloodbath.

There’s also the Velociraptor Swarm I remember joining really early on, all the velociraptors

Oh and also the time I slaughtered like 50 trexes as a pue

[cyan flame]

Sounds pretty fun overall!

[cosmic storm]

I was always migrating around the maps so not a lot of particularly memorable migration stories, but I do have one where I was following a camarasaurus and they were being hunted by carnotaurus which then tried to attack me, being a dilophosaurus, and I killed both of them then proceeded to also kill one of the camarasaurs when a handful of other dilos showed up and I joined them

[cosmic storm]

Yes

Back during Legacy and early old Legacy

I have no stories from Evrima save the basic “haha, I grew, I died, I spawned again, I grew, I died you heard that story already.”

Well no I do
Got like a herd of 10 stegos once and we got swarmed by carnotaurus which was fun

Absolutely bloody battle which ended in the herd getting scattered, back when you could see a giant bubble of scent around dinosaur locations when they were in too big of a group. I really liked that.

Too bad the devs removed the megaherd / megapack sent blob that would just rise above the trees like a giant mass of orange smoke when you smelled, lol

Rest of that scent system was meh, but the blob scent for indicating megagroups was beautiful and far easier to spot

I liked smoke scent for groups because it meant that oversized groups were easier to avoid and also find, meant more interesting hunts

[lucid mauve]

Nerf the food, the fact you can even be in that kind of big pack/herd is bad balance already

[cosmic storm]

Imagine a world where herbivores murder each other over every scrap of food and only 5 players can exist on a server at a time, lmao, like imagine, lmao, like food is so good we should just nerf the only thing that allows people to even play the game, lmao, we should make the game so unplayable that no one can ever eat food, lmao.

Being serious; Uh, the game has a grouping system for a reason?

[dusty scarab]

anyone having an issue on teno with no patrol zone or migration and no 2 line on your diet at all?

[lucid mauve]

Yes, lets make so we can have 15 herbis toghtere sounds fun and cool. hell lets make it so noone can touch ur herd unless they are 15 to. Sounds fun, lets not spread out the players

[urban flax]

lmao

[cosmic storm]

Oh, you have a problem with herbi groups? Maybe we should spread out the food and migration zones instead of nerfing the only resources in the game?

[lucid mauve]

I got problem if you think its ok that 15 herbis can walk around with easy food

[urban flax]

food competition among herbis is a good thing to have
But imo, reducing the -already absurdly low, in some places- amount of food available isn't the way to go

[cosmic storm]

I got a problem if you think herds shouldn’t exist.

At all.

[waxen moss]

@hardy vine Dondi did mention it on his latest stream

[lucid mauve]

I see packs of 8 dibbles all the time, no clue how they do it tho lol

[cyan flame]

Depends on the herbi, no?

[urban flax]

Either they're lucky, or they eat non-diet plants

[cosmic storm]

Maybe play a dibble instead of trying to destroy the one thing that allows people to play the game.

[urban flax]

The point is, you can't really make herbi food "hard to find" without turning the map into a desert

[tight iron]

probably grazing

[lucid mauve]

Yea, ofcourse. Dibble should be hard to maintain

[lucid mauve]

Not hard to find, just not be able to feed a big herd.

[cyan flame]

Well, depends on how many dibbles we think a herd should be?

[urban flax]

Also, anything that can make herbis more common compared to carnis is a good thing
Carni overpopulation is still a thing

[lucid mauve]

8 dibbles now is way to much, in the future who knows

[cosmic storm]

yes

[cyan flame]

I don't know, maybe 6 would be better, but less than that and it doesn't feel like a herd really

[lucid mauve]

Not if you want some kind of balance, big herds = big packs cus you need that to even contest

[cosmic storm]

Maybe if we brought back the old big cloud of scent system we could fix your issue by drawing in every dinosaur in a 500 mile radius on their location.

[lucid mauve]

How many omnis you need to take on a herd of 8 dibbles ? How many allos you need to take on that amount of omnis ? How manye rexes you need to kill that amount etc.

[fossil wing]

Anyone know how often the food in migration and patrol zones reset for herbis

[cosmic storm]

Airdrop the whole carnivore population on any excessive number of herbivores.

[urban flax]

I'll take that argument once the amount of herbis on a server actually matches the amount of carnis

[cyan flame]

I don't think any amount of omnis should take on a full herd

[cosmic storm]

5 years or something, not really, idk

[lucid mauve]

Hopefully they add apexes, and they can be the hero again. Population control

[cyan flame]

Only for them to group up instead xD

[cosmic storm]

“Apexs be the hero” is the most villain quote you could have said

[lucid mauve]

Its like deino right now, the hero everyone hates

[cyan flame]

It only counts for carnis at that, apex herbis no good. xD

[cosmic storm]

No, it’s the villain that’s overpopulous

[cosmic storm]

So true lmao

[lucid mauve]

Problem is that if u can be 6 dibbles, as a normal. Then what is the normal allo pack ? And how many apexes you need to kill / defend vs that ? I hope i dont see 2-3 rexes as normal

[cosmic storm]

Uhhhhhhh… Parasaurolophus herds should be big enough that they have safety in numbers.

[lucid mauve]

Safety in numbers will always be, but numbers also mean hard to maintain.

[cosmic storm]

It’s already hard to maintain.

[lucid mauve]

I have not had any problem so far

[cosmic storm]

As a mostly herbi player

I disagree with everything you say.

[lucid mauve]

No prob, go play pot

[cosmic storm]

I think, you are just fussy because your carno or cerato got squished because you thought carnivores are unstoppable tanks

Surprise surprise; herbivores didn’t evolve defenses to be meat sacks.

[lucid mauve]

Herbi should defintly be hard to kill, thats no the point.

[cyan flame]

3-4 allos maybe?

[lucid mauve]

Yea 3 allos is fine

[cyan flame]

You could hopefully run from the allos I imagine

Or well, fight back, current dibble could probably fight 1v1 almost

[cosmic storm]

Your point so far is the most popular defense and offense in nature is bad. Numbers.

[lucid mauve]

But 3-4 allos shiould be killing bigger stuff to maintain it

[cyan flame]

Well, they got para to hunt

[lucid mauve]

Yea, and i hope its a hard fight and not just win cus we are more

[cosmic storm]

I hope Para isn’t a pushover because 8,800 pounds is not weak.

[urban flax]

I think that resumes the entirety of the issue I have with your idea
Using food availability to balance things is absolutely insufferable for players

[cosmic storm]

5 tons is a beast

[cyan flame]

No, you run! Be a good hadrosaur and know your place and all that

[cosmic storm]

I will run, but I refuse to go down without fighting!

[urban flax]

It feels terrible, as you end up in situations where no matter what you do, you cannot find food and you die of starvation because the map wasn't designed for you to live in it

[lucid mauve]

I doubt a rex gonna kill small tiers and be good on food

[urban flax]

That's literally the one thing people always complain about in AI feedback

[cosmic storm]

I mean, I expect a rex to be able to handle big dinosaurs and big groups when it gets big

[urban flax]

Not my point either
A rex should be able to find suitable prey rather easily, that's the "killing the prey" part that should be hard

Which is why I wish for actually challenging AI animals, instead of them being rare but free food

[lucid mauve]

No ? The more you are in a group the more food you need, i dont see problem with that ?

[cosmic storm]

Well duh

[urban flax]

What if you aren't part of the group, but the group already ate all the food ?

[cosmic storm]

But it’s already like that, just remove the graze feature and you have what you’re asking for without ruining food

[lucid mauve]

What you mean ? If im solo, but the other members ate the food ?

[urban flax]

If the map is designed to only support 6 diablos, and you're trying to play a seventh diablo because you like playing diablo, you just die of starvation

[cosmic storm]

I’m solo

[lucid mauve]

No then you simply spilt, thats the whole point. You cant maintain it

[cosmic storm]

I only play solo, I don’t see a problem with groups, just don’t pick fights you can’t win, and take on fights you can.

[urban flax]

It's like limiting dino slots, but instead of preventing players from picking an animal, you let them try and let them die without anything they can do about it

[lucid mauve]

You can, you dont play 6 then. You play 5

[urban flax]

Are you failing to understand on purpose ?

[cosmic storm]

They’re not the brightest clearly

Or they wouldn’t be fussing over groups

[lucid mauve]

No, i dont get your point. If you cant keep up with the food because you are to many. You need to lower the group

[urban flax]

I'm NOT a member of the group

But there happens to be a group in the server who eats all the food

[cosmic storm]

Then what, where’s my food as a solo?

That’s the issue you want to make, making solos even harder to play, not fixing food issues.

[urban flax]

That's the big issue with limiting food amount
It removes any kind of player agency
also, it only affects herbivores

[lucid mauve]

lol, are you actually saying that it could be a group of herbis that just eat all the food ? On the entire map without you getting any ?

[cosmic storm]

Making food less valuable only increases the value of the group because you have even more competitive advantages. Nerf food, nerf solos.

[urban flax]

Isn't that what you're suggesting to have ? Limiting the number of herbivores of a certain species the map can support

[cosmic storm]

Do you understand yet?

[lucid mauve]

Why are you replaying to me when im talking with someone else all the time ?

[cosmic storm]

I made the same point. Do you understand or do you just want to be unproductive?

[lucid mauve]

I get your poiint, but food respawn. Are you saying you are fine with 15 trikes walking around and be healthy on food ?

[lucid mauve]

Have not read your point, i lost you along time ago.

[cosmic storm]

They’re going to have the food regardless.

[urban flax]

I never saw 15 trikes walking around and being healthy on food

[cyan flame]

well, if it's 15 trikes, all on their own in various spots on the map, is that fine?

[cosmic storm]

If 15 trikes eat all the food, I will starve as a solo player.

[urban flax]

But if it has to be prevented, I'd rather do it in another way than just making food unrealistically scarce for herbivores

[lucid mauve]

Im asking you, are you fine with 15 trikes at the same spot beeing healty on food ?

If so, we just disagree

[urban flax]

idk

[cosmic storm]

are you trying to make solos weaker?

Understand, that trike group is happening regardless. If you nerf food, it only makes being part of the group better because they’ll leave some for you, while any solos will be bullied off the food.

[lucid mauve]

You dont know ? What balance are you looking for? 15 trikes seems balanced ?

[cosmic storm]

You clearly are just acting dumb.

[lucid mauve]

Like imagine, the numbers of carnis you would need to take on that

[cyan flame]

Why would there ever be more than 2-3 trikes in a group?

[urban flax]

If I see 15 trikes hanging in the same spot, my thought isn't "food should be more rare so they die of starvation"

[cosmic storm]

Like imagine the number of players who would even want to play herbivores

[lucid mauve]

If you can maintain more, why would you not ?

[cyan flame]

But like, if there's two trikes together, nothing short of two other trikes or two rexes would take them on anyway

[urban flax]

It is rather "If that many trikes managed to grow to adulthood and hang together in the same spot, Trike must be overtuned or too easy to grow, or there is something wrong with that specific spot"

[cyan flame]

But why would you be able to maintain that many?

It makes little sense that there'd be so much food as to feed more than a trio reasonably well, when it comes to apexes

[lucid mauve]

Thats my point, you shouldt. They are saying its fine, exactly. It should not be that much food in one area

[cosmic storm]

@lucid mauve ignoring me doesn’t help your case.

[lucid mauve]

Same if a carni pack kills a herbi, you wont be able to feed 10 allos from one kill

[urban flax]

I'm not saying it's fine, I'm saying nerfing food isn't a good solution for that

[lucid mauve]

Then how do you nerf it ? Food is what we need

[cyan flame]

To be fair, at some point you'd have to limit it, unless you do want people to be able to have massive numbers in one spot

[urban flax]

Again, if I see 15 trikes in the same spot, it doesn't mean there is too much food, it means Trike is OP in another way

[cosmic storm]

Migration Zone;
10 trikes arrive eat all the food
1 trike arrives late, starves to death because they couldn’t get all the food, ends in being in the group being better.

[lucid mauve]

I discussed with eden and babulu before, they normally have good points. You dont

[urban flax]

I don't even see what any of that has to do with food

[cyan flame]

It can mean it though? Food is a factor?

[urban flax]

Limit it, yes
But not to a point where 8 dibbles can't survive

[cosmic storm]

Wtf? You can’t be serious? I am literally making the same point?

[cyan flame]

Well no, 8 dibbles are fine, 18 would not be, however?

[urban flax]

Probably not, but I think it's already impossible to sustain 18 dibbles in one place, so it's fine how it is right now

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure why there's an argument, obviously food being limited is a factor, and yes, if you come to a place after everyone else, you're... going to end up with the scraps

[lucid mauve]

But that was nmy whole point, you nerf/limited the food. So you cant maintain huge groups

[cyan flame]

It doesn't matter if they got there as a group, or one by one, if you're the last one there

[cosmic storm]

I’m already starving to death enough as it is, with no pack I don’t get anywhere.

[urban flax]

Might be that your definition of a "huge group" is broader than mine

[lucid mauve]

We started off, by 15 in one herd

Ofcourse, dibble sized

[cyan flame]

Well they did say they think 8 dibbles is a few too many, but that's fine to disagree on

[urban flax]

Actually I'd rather limit diet availability than food availability

[cyan flame]

That's not in and of itself related to food or limiting it to limit group sizes themselves

[urban flax]

Which means if you're here late and there's already too many people in the area, you're gonna suffer a bad diet
But not straight-out die because that's boring and and unwarranted punishment

[urban flax]

15 dibbles is too much yeah
But I think as it is right now, it is already pretty much impossible to sustain that many dibbles in one area
Not in the long run at least

But for me, the issue of food availability should only really exist for apexes

Because for the rest, it can all be compensated by having something bigger and stronger come around
And more herbis in one place means more potential food for that bigger and stronger thing

[lucid mauve]

Problem is that if you can maintain such groups, it depends on what you need to actually hunt them, Since carnis needs food

[urban flax]

Well again, I doubt there's ever gonna be a situation in which that hypothetic giant herd of trikes is the only available food in the server

Anyway that's a suggestion I made regarding herbis and food competition
#general-feedback message

[cosmic storm]

Better than starving all the solo players in an obviously bad attempt to try and kill groups.

[lucid mauve]

If your a solo player, you wouldt be doing much if those groups where the normal. You would be forced to play in a pack to hunt

[lucid mauve]

Couldt i just play galli and take all those from the "biggers guys" ? : P

[urban flax]

If galli was immune to vomit you could

But yeah, it makes it so arriving faster to the migration area makes it so you can still have a chance at a good diet despite being alone

[lucid mauve]

Yea could work, i like stuff that makes people have somethng to do.

[urban flax]

But of course, everyone having a bad diet wouldn't completely discourage massive herds
Which ties into my very hot take : diets should give combat buffs

[cosmic storm]

I mean… I’m playing solo now, and both solos and groups are the norm, I think it’s balanced, even if a little unfairly favorable towards carnivores and not quite interesting enough for herbivores.

You can’t get rid of herds by forcing starvation on them.

You’ll only get rid of different mixes of gameplay styles.

[lucid mauve]

Ofcourse solos and groups are normall. im 90% solo player. And herbi should never not be able to group, i hate it. But i defintly understand numbers is better and fun for others.

[cosmic storm]

So why are you trying to make solo play harder?

[lucid mauve]

With having huge herbi herds ? And packs ?

I played to much pot and bob to understand what that does to games, it kills them if you can maintain them.

[cosmic storm]

By forcing huge herds and packs when we like to play alone and not starve to death because all the food was already eaten

[lucid mauve]

I have zero problem survivng as solo in evrima

[cosmic storm]

It kills games when you reduce valid play styles.

[lucid mauve]

In terms of food

[cosmic storm]

Yeah, because the devs know starving out big herds doesn’t work

They tried making food scarce already, that’s how Evrima started

All it did was make raptor packs of 10 or more the optimal strategy

[lucid mauve]

No, they both got killed cus everyone who tried the game was forced to either play in huge packs or herds. If not, you had nothing to do

Insted of spreading all the players all over the map, so the map is actually alive

[urban flax]

tbh, BoB also has a lot of mechanics encouraging clans and forming huge groups...

[lucid mauve]

But not anymore, you know why ? The nerfed the food, so its impossible to make it

[cosmic storm]

There was food all over the map, they make Migration Zones which condensed the food in locations, which although permitting players to move around, doesn’t change the issue.

[urban flax]

Actually, I think the migrations rework are a good step into solving both issues at once

[cosmic storm]

Yes

[urban flax]

While migration zones still contain a lot of food, patrol zones are designed for smaller groups and cannot sustain huge herds

[lucid mauve]

Why do we need huge herds ?

[cosmic storm]

Not the only thing they did.

Nerfed food
Had stress
&
Optimized solo play

The Isle can’t do the same thing as BoB, it’s a completely different issue that causes it here

We don’t, but your suggestion to nerf food would nerf small herds and solo players. Not fix big herds.

[lucid mauve]

Solo play is stil bad in bob, but much better since you will never find big packs or herds. Everyone surving of eachother

[cosmic storm]

The way BoB was designed is completely different, the same fix would not work here

[lucid mauve]

Bob is still played the same, but nerfing the food made the game alot better. Its actually full on official again now

[cosmic storm]

It’s not played the same, it only seems the same cause like The Isle it’s a dinosaur simulator, but it’s very different under the surface.

[lucid mauve]

And not the same people sitting in huge herds packs in each corner killing everyone who is solo duo. And noone can thouch em

Like pot aswell , official died there to

[cosmic storm]

And a stress system to incentivize that which wouldn’t work in The Isle

And PoT is even more different from The Isle than BoB

[lucid mauve]

Thats not the problem, is the huge herds and packs

Ofcourse pot is very diffrent, since you can pop in a apex whenevere you want

But this also depends on the power level of what the bigger dinos will be compared to what we have now, that can also solve stuff

[cosmic storm]

Omg, want a fix? Here’s a fix;

1. Play BoB or PoT if they have such better group numbers!
2. Remove the grazing mechanic
3. Add more migration zones to scatter players across the map more to keep players in different places more
4. Make food more valuable by adding a system that incentivizes greed (like Bubulblu suggested with his plant quality idea)
5. Add a giant beacon around large groups that draws in large numbers of large carnis looking for a fight.

[lucid mauve]

Or just make sure you cant have big herds and packs, solved. Can you still be in a decent group hell yes

[cosmic storm]

I literally just said that

But I explained better ideas than wasting time on nerfing food that only results in toxicity and bigger groups having the advantage.

[lucid mauve]

Yes, so nerf the food. So they cant maintain it. If not, nothing stopping them

[cosmic storm]

Earthworm brain.

[lucid mauve]

No other games have made it without nerfing food, you should suggest

[cosmic storm]

What games?

What games nerfed food?

Nerfed food so much that you literally cannot live?

[lucid mauve]

Are you beeing dumb or are you ?

[cosmic storm]

I’m talking to a wall so clearly I am dumb, but at least I’m not a wall.

[lucid mauve]

If you canot live in evrima right now in a herd, i dont know what you are doing

[cosmic storm]

I’m talking about solo play, your changes would incentivize herds that are greedier which would reduce the value of being a herbivore and reduce the player population to toxic sweats.

[lucid mauve]

You cant even solo play or ?

[cosmic storm]

You’re actually a troll

I have said countless times I only play solo

[lucid mauve]

Then we are two, normally i do atleast

And i know me and you would not be doing much if it was normal with huge packs and herds

[cosmic storm]

I am doing a lot as a solo

[lucid mauve]

Yes, cus you meet alot of other solo/duos

Unless we are talking about surviing , and not fighting

[cosmic storm]

I met 10 omniraptors once, that’s not common. I met a group of 12 Divbles once. I killed a pack of 5 omnies. I don’t see what your issue is.

[lucid mauve]

Yes, and what did you do with when you met those 10 omnis or 12 dibbles ? prob running

[cosmic storm]

Wow, so smart, almost like that’s what your supposed to do in order to starve them out!

Don’t make yourself food!

So obvious, lmao, imagine being dumb and actually trying to fight them!

Again, I don’t see your problem.

[inland vigil]

what's the yapping about this time

[lucid mauve]

Soo, you stated earlier that this should be easy to maintain. But now you wanne starve them out ?

[cosmic storm]

The game doesn’t need another nerf to food. I am saying your… I just heard a Trex

Anyways where was I, point is; You want them to starve, so stop feeding yourself to them.

[lucid mauve]

Your litterly saying the oppsite of what you started with

[cosmic storm]

Run away like you should and only fight groups you can handle, the game already incentivizes small groups, your suggestion would make the game worse.

[cosmic storm]

No I am not, I am saying you are being ridiculous.

[lucid mauve]

No, you said 15 should be easy maintained. And if you are solo, you would defintly be running from everyone

unless me and you solo players met

[cosmic storm]

I never said 15 should be easy to maintain.

[lucid mauve]

Still you would be running even from half

[cosmic storm]

I said, you would be making 1 harder to maintain if the 15 ate all the food before you.

The fix isn’t nerfing food, it’s scattering it

[cosmic storm]

As I said here

Ignoring 1 which doesn’t count
2. Remove the grazing mechanic
3. Add more migration zones to scatter players across the map more to keep players in different places more
4. Make food more valuable by adding a system that incentivizes greed (like Bubulblu suggested with his plant quality idea)
5. Add a giant beacon around large groups that draws in large numbers of large carnis looking for a fight.

Idea 5 nerfs being in a large group because then you draw in all the problems. This used to happen when Stego was first released due to the scent system at the time which cause massive hoards of carnos to swarm on your position whenever you had a group of more than 3 stegos

[lucid mauve]

Its litterly the same, 2 is nerfing food. 3 is the same as making sure its not enough food in one area no maintain huge groups.

5 is dumb lol, its a survival game

[cosmic storm]

2 is not nerfing food, it’s removing a food source.

[lucid mauve]

Yes, same. You dont get easy access

[cosmic storm]

5 is not dumb, large herds draw in large groups of predators, it’s a survival mechanic based on a real issue in real survival; big groups smell a lot drawing in a lot of attention.

[cosmic storm]

Not the same because nerfing reduces how much your getting, removing just changes the focus.

[lucid mauve]

You have sounds for that, more poeple more sounds. You have water sources. If you need a darn beacon over your head cus your herd is to big that nothing can thouch it. Unless its another huge pack groups somethings off

[cosmic storm]

It feels like I’m still talking to a wall. You don’t understand what was different; You can hide in a Discord call and make yourself quieter, and you can reduce how many in the herd are drinking at a time, it’s not exactly impossible to be stealthy in a large group.

[lucid mauve]

Then let them do it, even tho its pure luck if anyone sees you or not. And still, if nothing can thouch you unless another huge carni pack. Balanced is already off

[cosmic storm]

Sp you now support 15 herbis now?

[cosmic storm]

I call this an Uno Reverse card

[lucid mauve]

No, thats a playstyle. If somone wanne play that way go ahead. Im talking about the big herd thats need a beacon over its head cus they are untouable to litterly everyone else. Where i started with

[cosmic storm]

Your supporting not having a mechanic that makes it easier to spot and either avoid or attack said groups, which would disincentivize being in a large group like it used to.

You are thusly supporting megagroups.

[lucid mauve]

I see

[cosmic storm]

You want to disincentivize being in a megaherd of 15 or more yeah? Well this beacon feature used to be in The Isle and would show every single dino in a 100 mile radius where you were, which as I mentioned, drew in the entire server population of large carnivores to slaughter your group and ended in people being either killed or scattered, the effect you want, smaller groups being more optimal.

[lucid mauve]

These said groups, these where so large that they need a beacon over their head . I mean, somethings off then?

[cosmic storm]

Omg, you are literally a wall.

I’m done wasting my time on a troll, I am being hunted by too many troodons to care about your refusal to understand why your idea is bad and mine already has been proven to work right now.

[lucid mauve]

Yea good, ive never seen such a troll as you either lol

No go and kill some troodonds

[hardy vine]

is this already implemented?

[cosmic storm]

What do you think I’m doing? You think I’m not trying to kill troodons? They’re everywhere.

Unfortunately a juvi tenontosaurus isn’t exactly built for slaughtering yet

[tight iron]

how big are you

[cosmic storm]

Stage 2, no diet

[tight iron]

wat

what %?

[cosmic storm]

28.757%

[tight iron]

oh

[cosmic storm]

No diet

[tight iron]

nah you got this

at that point you can already kill an extremely good solo raptor or 2-3 average-bad raptors

troodons shall be no match for you

[cosmic storm]

Would be easier if they were slower

[tight iron]

i agree

alt attack em

kicks won't be easy to hit

[unique mirage]

auto queue is a nice idea but tbh we dont need it if we only have 2 servers for each region

[north quiver]

I’m not very sure a 28% teno can kill a good raptor especially with the damage nerfs lol

[cosmic storm]

The troodons seem to have left

[unique mirage]

it should claw attack anyways agains raptors and they got a buff

[cosmic storm]

Obviously we would need more servers

[north quiver]

what buff did teno get

[unique mirage]

more damage and bleed on claw attack

in return kick got the nerf

[north quiver]

slam also got a nerf

a 28% teno isn’t going to easily claw a competent omni though (assuming the omni is adult. an omni of similar size is another story)

teno is kinda pitiful right now

genuinely the only competent herbi we have right now is dibble and I have a feeling that’s going to get even more of stego’s treatment

[unique mirage]

only thing i struggle against are ceras tbh and i hate the slam self stun

and what doesnt struggle against cera rn tbh

[north quiver]

yea cera destroys teno with the new teno nerfs

[tight iron]

yeah it absolutely can

[north quiver]

if you don’t pick those speed mutations you might as well sit down and die if that cera has them lol

[north quiver]

I’ve never in my 1500+ hours of evrima seen a 28% little teno nugget kill a full grown omni

[tight iron]

ive done that hundreds of times and seen it happen a ton of times

so i guarantee it is possible

[north quiver]

hundreds of hours of omni I’ve never been killed by such a tiny teno nugget lol never seen it either in my hundreds of hours of teno

[sage plover]

ive killed plenty of omnis as a 20-30% teno

3.1k hours rn

[tight iron]

i guess that's fair

but yea it can be done

[north quiver]

that’s rattling my brain right now lol must’ve been a great little teno and a horrible omni or one with low bleed and low health

like that small kick isn’t even going to reach 50 damage now. an adult’s kick does 180-185 on a body kick (though strangely still does close to its old damage + the 1.5x damage multiplier on headshots…)

teno’s damage is all out of whack. honestly I think rng was introduced to its damage lol especially the tail slam

[desert arch]

A 28% teno would get absolutely demolished by any competent troodon duo

[cosmic storm]

good thing these ones weren’t competent

[desert arch]

Most troodons arent

Everyone underestimates troodon so much, even though it can be very threatening even solo

[cosmic storm]

I don’t underestimate troodon, I treat all as equal

If it has teeth it’s something to be cautious of

[cosmic storm]

@tulip gust it’s almost a good idea for all the wrong reasons! #general-feedback message

I hate it though.

It’s interesting, but I would never want that in The Isle, but Beasts of Bermuda however…

It really would be right at home in that game.

Now this is a valid argument; #general-feedback message

[tulip gust]

I can see how it could be annoying to balance but I think it makes Troodon much more interesting and dangerous, especially in the swamps.

[cosmic storm]

Definitely makes it interesting, doesn’t make it more fun necessarily.

[stone slate]

s

[coarse spruce]

pteranodon doesn't fit this criteria.

On second thought it's not something to be cautious about. This theory rings true

[waxen moss]

Not yet, will come next Hordetest

[cosmic storm]

Lol, yeah

[cosmic storm]

Gotta agree with @odd shell here, #general-feedback message , I did like Legacy Footprints.
I don’t really care if they fit or not now, it’s just I liked them. I doubt they’ll get added back in cause in some ways it didn’t work, and in some ways I didn’t like them, and it was mainly getting tracked down being too easy. I did not like being tracked down.

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message I think Austro and Beipi will be friends

But yeah Beipi really needs a buff

[still sinew]

Are Migs Broken? - Haven't seen a mig in DAYS lol

[cosmic storm]

@barren zephyr #general-feedback message this doesn’t make sense. It’s salt… in your eyes…

Deep water makes more sense.

[tight iron]

nope

[tight iron]

yea i know

still perfectly doable

[cosmic storm]

@lunar valve #general-feedback message unfortunately, Stego is the most nerfed dinosaur, any more nerfs and Stego would be literally unplayable. So no.

Make stego good again is more like it.

[limber hull]

"How can a stego oneshot a cerato thats just not balanced"

cerato is literally not even a quarter of the size, and stego has literal meter long spikes attached to a powerful tail for the purpose of one shot killing ALLOSAURUS

ceratosaurus wouldn't stand a chance irl, and gameplay wise, shouldn't survive a hit

[cosmic storm]

Well yeah, that too

And like, as mentioned here #general-feedback message Cera is kinda OP.

The fact any number of bites can make a stego weak from a Cera shows that Cera ain’t by any means lacking. Stego is however kinda just a mediocre raid boss right now.

[limber hull]

Literally a worse Dark Souls boss

Learn its attack patterns and its openings and it's easy as.

Except in this case, it runs out of stam in 10 seconds and dies

[cosmic storm]

Lol, yeah

[cyan flame]

Technically stego would be fine, it is viable, just clunky and badly designed. It's more so that it doesn't make much sense why people want to treat stego as weak, while in the next breath going "can't wait for trike and rex to kill stegos galore". It's like no one ever stops and goes "okay, but if they do, then won't they also do everything I accuse stego of but more and better", and entirely misses that. Or it's consistently a matter of just seeing stego as "bad" because it's not cool like rex and trike or so.

@lunar valve You do realize stego is probably up there in power with most of the large critters, right?

[cosmic storm]

Stego needs to be rebalanced based on Rex and Trike, I want Stego to be able to hold it’s own against them.

[limber hull]

it is baffling to me that people fantsise about stego being slaughtered by trike and rex, despite the fact that this would imply trike and rex are better at doing the very thing that makes stego so hated

[cyan flame]

At this point, I want to downsize stego to 3-4T, halve the damage on all attacks or so, and just make the attacks better and remove the clunkyness. Would be an more enjoyable stego to play, and still big enough and different enough from kentro. Also means you can speed it up and let it run properly from rex and trike and so on.

[cyan flame]

This. It never makes much sense, it's the whole "but if carni KoS me, it's fine because it needs food", as if you're any less dead because it was a herbi that KoSed you.

Like, it's some kind of sentimental "reason" to make yourself feel better. If stego fishes for deinos, it's bad, but if a rex or spino did the same, it'd be fine, because "reasons".

[marble quail]

This is the reason I hate Carni players

[cosmic storm]

This is the reason I hate players*

[lilac bolt]

I wouldn't want to lower it's health just makes it more likely to die. They just need to get rid a the clunkiness that it has as well as some overall buffs to some attacks to help it stand even against rex and trike

[cyan flame]

Never mind the fact that you'd still be stuck in the same pond and die just the same, only the thing killing you would change.

[marble quail]

They are quite literally dietist to dinos in this game

[cosmic storm]

Most players don’t understand that Waterbuffalo kill lion cubs for self defense.

[cyan flame]

I think it'd be a reason for removing the clunkyness if stego was overall weaker. And since I'd rather have a fun, fluid and well handling playable, I think it'd be worth it.

[marble quail]

Exactly

[cyan flame]

Actually enjoying the playable and it feeling good to play and engaging in combat and all that, is worth nerfs to sheer "power" if that's what it takes

[cosmic storm]

@limber hull what? Why are you against an option for unofficial servers to just have classic maps?

[lilac bolt]

Shouldn't be clunky to begin with and should be fun to play with either way

[cyan flame]

V4 good map!

Though I seem to be the only one that liked that one in particular

Also redwoods region 2 was amazing

[cosmic storm]

Yes

[cyan flame]

Performance wise = absolute garbage, but in looks and immersion, really good

[cosmic storm]

Yeah

[lilac bolt]

It shouldn't be nerfed for something it should've never had in the first place

[limber hull]

Because we have a large variety of the EVRIMA roster that literally would not work on them, and the visual discrepancy would be immediately apparent and distracting

Not to mention the increase in download times for all players, a larger divide in playerbase, and an overall level design philosophy that does not align with EVRIMA's

[cyan flame]

It should be fun yes, but I don't think people would agree. Hence I'm suggesting a tradeoff, because all the power in the world means nothing when the feel and handling of the playable is just bad.

[cosmic storm]

Literally this would be fixed by making the maps like a free DLC

Hell, I’d even pay for them.

A harmless addition that won’t take up space for players like you.

[limber hull]

Making stego weaker, again, makes zero sense in this argument. Clunkiness and power are not synonymous, nor should they be, and by this metric, the only way to "balance" rex would be to make it a nightmare to control, which is poor game design. I vientmently disagree with downsizing or weakening stego to excuse removing the clunk from its kit, it shouldn't be there from the getgo

[marble quail]

Agreed also thought you said from the stego

[cosmic storm]

“Larger divide in the player base”
Meanwhile everyone cramming into Evrima servers with no space

Honestly wouldn’t hurt

[lilac bolt]

Who cares let people get mad for being dumb enough to try to challenge something as strong as stego while being something that shouldn't even try to fight it. But in the end it's up to the devs and their vision for stego is so we'll see I guess.

But something needs to happen eventually

[limber hull]

Given you'd have to scrap a large portion of the roster to enable such servers to exist, and somehow excuse having maps that look like garbage compared to EVRIMA, I think it would

The amount of assets you'd need ported from Legacy would cause significant problems, and as we know from legacy, with each bit of it comes a plague of code locusts that decay all that they touch

[cosmic storm]

What wasn’t understood about “Revamped versions”

[cyan flame]

I am well aware, but you know as well as I do, that any suggestion of making stego better or less clunky or removing cooldown or anything that would make it handle better, with current stego, would never be accepted. I don't want a weaker stego, if anything I want a stronger one to contend with rex and trike, but I would rather have a fun stego than horrible to play stego that can oneshot a rex.

[limber hull]

Oh that's even worse

[cosmic storm]

HOW?

[cyan flame]

True, and currently their vision isn't very fun, but we'll see.

[lilac bolt]

Yup

[limber hull]

That'd require SO MUCH work and effort put into revamping the maps, on a game already heavily criticised for it's devtime

Could you IMAGINE the fury of the playerbase if they released after months of waiting, a map pack containing old legacy maps revamped, where animals like deino, beipi or herrera just don't work?

God, if it were PAID too, jesus, the camera rework review bomb would look like valid critique

[cosmic storm]

You make my judgements of your lacking imagination feel valid.
You do know The Isle devs wouldn’t be dumb enough to actually waste years on revamping the old maps before the game wad complete enough for it to be a viable option right?

[limber hull]

Then why not add new maps that better befit EVRIMA by that extremely far off time, rather than revamp old maps that exist in a game that basically explodes when you prod it with a stick

[marble quail]

Yeah no the legacy maps would not work

[cosmic storm]

Also, if the rework critiques is going to look valid on the old maps, the new ones make it 25x as valid.

[limber hull]

What?

[cyan flame]

You could make an argument that the design could work, it'd just have to be remade with the new tools

[cosmic storm]

I don’t think you people have an idea what would actually happen.

[cosmic storm]

Exactly

[limber hull]

So then it's a different map.

Because it has to significantly change several elements to accomodate different playables

[marble quail]

But they shouldn't waste their time on that as people just wouldn't want that

[cosmic storm]

Technically different but closely designed to replicate the original. A revamp, as I said.

[cyan flame]

I mean, in the sense of having been made with the new objects, and tools, and all. Yes. If you mean the same map/design, the same lakes, hills, trees where there are meant to be trees, then no.

[cosmic storm]

What will it have to change? Grasslands? Forests? Mountains? Things all found in Gateway?

[limber hull]

Feels like a colossal waste of time and a massive undertaking for a very small group of people who'd actually want to play on them over maps that have been built first and foremost for EVRIMA

[cosmic storm]

Small? Small? What do you mean small?

[lilac bolt]

I mean I wouldn't mind but it's up to the devs if they would ever do that though.

[cosmic storm]

Last I checked the majority of the playerbase is here because of Legacy!

Evrima was the weird upgrade that took a while to set in.

[limber hull]

And they can still play it

[cosmic storm]

For now*

You forgot it’s getting removed.

[lilac bolt]

Till the elder system yeah

[limber hull]

And when/if it does end up being removed, then it'll be a distant memory. Devs really don't want to linger on it, so the chances of them adding 5 maps from it sounds unlikely lol

[cosmic storm]

Where’d this come from? What are you responding too?

[marble quail]

What do you mean Envrima is what the game is gonna be from now on

To be honest legacy wasn't as good as Envrima

The dinos felt to similar and didn't have enough variety

[lilac bolt]

The devs have stated before that once the game is mainly feature complete for the dinos and there's a gameplay loop legacy will go. The gameplay loop being the elder system

[marble quail]

Envrima is so much better than Legacy

[cosmic storm]

I’m leaving, you people just make me hate this community.