general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

spiro had FAR more bushes

it spends most of its time in the open (no good ambush spots), has insanely high pursuit speed, decent stamina, and a move to stop its prey from fleeing to land additional hits

pretty pursuer-y to me

[wooden agate]

those god damn copy and paste trees

[limber hull]

every 50m of spiro plains was occupied by a hiding bush LMAO

[safe flower]

i do not think it was a pursuit predator, its very fast and big which makes it a ambush predator simialar to how tigers act, if it was in a pack i think its niche would change a little

[limber hull]

"it was" doesn't matter

"it is in-game" matters

[safe flower]

its charge to me signifies an ambush playstyle, it might not be as much as an ambusher as allo. but still

[limber hull]

i think ambush carno is just an inferior allosaurus, and carno would benefit far more from a pursuit playstyle

[wooden agate]

its charge is being changed to specifically be better at prusuing

[limber hull]

that too

[safe flower]

charge takes up much too stam to pursuit something

even with the new changes

[limber hull]

next update it won't

[wooden agate]

its charge is being

changed

to specifically be better at prusuing

[limber hull]

tf you mean it costs LITERALLY nothing

[cosmic storm]

In real life their tails were so stiff they simply wouldn’t be good at hiding in trees due to bending their tails wrong, they adapted to move so fast in straight lines that their prey simply didn’t have the ability to get out of the way.

[safe flower]

that is the update that ruins carno

[wooden agate]

uh huh

[limber hull]

it far improves carno

[safe flower]

how?

[wooden agate]

because it pushes it farther into its intended niche and allows it to thrive within it

[limber hull]

its actually a playable that does the niche it set out to do since it was added to EVRIMA, rather than a complete identity crisis animal with a bunch of arbitrary nerfs added to its core ability because it has been balanced around a weight value that makes it better at hunting the mid-game it was never meant to hunt, instead of its actual small-tier prey

[cosmic storm]

This was based on weight which was thrown forward, meaning it didn’t cost a lot to do and was more just leaning forward and allowing themselves to fly.
Unlike cheetahs which are ambush predators which don’t use weight to move but rather normal speed adaptations in the legs which requires a lot more energy.

[wooden agate]

you're simply not meant to be hunting large prey as carno. thats not what carno is for.

if small game hunter aint ya thing, carno simply isnt for ya

[limber hull]

it's for MEEEE RAAAGH

I am so excited for carno rework, it'll be my first time touching the animal in MONTHS

[wooden agate]

i dont play deino because i think its niche sucks and i dislike the play style

i dont try to change deino to fit my personal preference for deino, the game knows what it needs and deino is needed, its just not my cup of tea. and thats fine. doesnt mean deino is a bad animal or anything

[safe flower]

didnt you notice people having more fun when it was actually hunting mid tiers, this is objective. i saw more carnos then ever before snd now i might have seen maybe one

[limber hull]

lmao true

[limber hull]

you realise that atm it is still best geared for hunting midtiers, right?

[wooden agate]

then they can have that fun again with a multitude of other animals better suited for hunting mid tiers

[limber hull]

it still thrives the most in cerato fights, and sucks at like, everything else

the fact that it's been a cerato stomper and a godawful small-game hunter for over a year now is a big reason why it's getting this rework

[safe flower]

do you not see a problem with that? that an animal in the game is only able to kill ceras and cant function other wise? how would reducing its weight so it cant do that help?

[limber hull]

by allowing you to buff the animal in the department it was meant to thrive in without destroying the cerato population

[wooden agate]

because now it doesnt suck at everything else

[limber hull]

now that the weight is lower, the cuffs are off for making carno do its own thing and not constantly shitstomp cera lol

[wooden agate]

also this allows cera to be better suited for bullying them off corpses

which is a plus for cerato

[limber hull]

that too

lets cera do the thing IT was meant to do

both animals actually get their niches solidified, which is great for them

[safe flower]

nah imma do my own thing. i think carnoshoul be able to fight cera 50/50. and teno 60/ 40 in carnos side, the fact that it wont is a problem

[limber hull]

so you want carno to just win

and you don't want anyone to play those other two animals

[wooden agate]

i am a little worried for cerato once allo drops because im not entirely sure what the size limit is supposed to be for cerato bullying. i always thought it was supposed to be this honey badger type animal bullying lions off kills but the vomit changes seem to go in the opposite way of that so i dunno

[wooden agate]

it'll be a problem for you, but an overall plus for the game itself

this circles back to dev vision overpowering community wants

[safe flower]

no i want carno to have an even matchup with anther hunter and be able to take down something that shouldnt be able to kill it

[limber hull]

tenonto should always have the advantage over carno

same with cerato. both these animals CANNOT flee carno, so they need alternative methods (combat)

[limber hull]

teno was designed to be able to kill carno.

a good amount of its concept art includes it fighting carno

hell, it 2v1s carno in its concept art

[safe flower]

if you look at teno and carno it is obvious that carno would win. the niche is silly. i undersatand that this game isnt fullyset in realism, but its absurd that a carno wouldnt be able to solo that thing il be it with a bit of difficulty

[limber hull]

how is it obvious at all that carno would win LMAO

[safe flower]

LOOK AT IT

[limber hull]

besides "carnivore always stronger than herbivore :)"

which is ridiculous thinking

[safe flower]

ITS A LIZARD HORSE VS A ABELISAURID

[vale pawn]

Horses are pretty fiesty tho

[wooden agate]

a 1500kg lizard horse with a tail that can flatten anything under two tons

[limber hull]

1600kg horse :)

[wooden agate]

oopsie

which is now 300kg larger than nee carno

[limber hull]

with extremely sharp claws and a tree-trunk tail

[safe flower]

so, perhaps carno is able to ambush it and knock it over, catching it by surprise and doing alot of burst damage

like an ambush predator

[wooden agate]

i think the issue is you simply want carno to be something its just not going to be no matter what

other animals are better suited for your play style, and thats alright

i get the feeling you'll really enjoy allo when it comes out

[safe flower]

even though alot of its mechanics are centered around hitting prey quickly and catching them offgaurd

?

like how tigers deal with water buffalo?

even though in this case it more like a tiger dealing with a horse with a long tail, even though the horse is slightly smaller then the tiger?

[limber hull]

*slightly smaller

[safe flower]

sorry ill fix that

[wooden agate]

soon to be slightly bigger

[limber hull]

LMAO

But yea, you literally just want carno to be allo

[safe flower]

i dont

[cosmic storm]

You do

[limber hull]

can punch up in groups
effective burst damage ambush
powerful against smaller creatures by immobilising them (pin)
plains creature
heavy and powerful

you want allo.

[cosmic storm]

Literally, your desire is only an update away

[safe flower]

no i want 2 ambush predators, with allo hunting larger things like para and carno hunting smaller things and killing larger teirs in packs

[limber hull]

allo hunts large tiers in packs

and ambushes smaller things

[cosmic storm]

It already does that?

[limber hull]

like you want allo

its fine to want allo, but don't make carno a carbon copy in its niche

[wooden agate]

yeah allo is supposed to be doing exactly what you want carno to do

[limber hull]

^

[cosmic storm]

Carno runs down small animals
Allo ambushes large animals

[limber hull]

allo doesn't even do that. it doesn't need to ambush larges, it needs a pack to take them down

[cosmic storm]

Like a lion

[limber hull]

allo generally ambushes smalls

[safe flower]

alright maybe make allo a larger predator and and carno the weaker but still efective hunter instead of making them hunt rats

[limber hull]

a solo allo will likely be stomped by any larger critter if they try to hunt it

[cosmic storm]

Haha! I made a reference to the nickname, “Lion Of The Jurassic”

[wooden agate]

dilos are rats?

[safe flower]

basically

[limber hull]

carno is an effective hunter. against small creatures

that is a perfectly valid niche

[safe flower]

they look like them anyways

[wooden agate]

im still confused why SO many people think small game = dryo/hypsi/troodon in situations like this

[cosmic storm]

Did you just compare my favorite dinosaur to a rat in appearance?

[wooden agate]

yes, thats small game

but so is omni/galli/dilo/juvies/subs

[limber hull]

the idea that an animal isn't worth your time because it doesn't hunt a specific range of creatures is bizarre, unhealthy and ridiculous. niche diversity is what gives this game life

[safe flower]

yes

[safe flower]

but that what your doing

[limber hull]

????

no it isn't lmao

[cosmic storm]

How do you see similarities between those 2? At this point we could compare a whale and a rat or a trex and a rat

Hell even a brachiosaurus and a rat

Or a pteranodon and a rat

[limber hull]

i want carno to complete the niche it was always meant to complete since it was added to EVRIMA

you want carno to be allo.

[safe flower]

sorry rat is cuter

[safe flower]

you want carno to only be able t hunt small game

[limber hull]

the job it was added to do, yes

[safe flower]

i want it to be able to do that in its early stages and eventually mve on to larger prey

making both you and me happy

[wooden agate]

thats like saying "you want cerato to be subpar at hunting and excel at scavenging and corpse bullying"

[wooden agate]

not everyone needs to be happy with every playable. if the playable doesnt match the play style you like, play the one that does

[limber hull]

so like allosaurus

because that's what allosaurus does

[wooden agate]

we just happen to like the niche that carno is being designed for/was added for

[limber hull]

because you want allosaurus

[cosmic storm]

how have we managed to make 0 progress

[safe flower]

carno and allo are simialr, its hard to say i want an ambush predator without you saying i want allo

im gonna go celebrate my moms birthday now

[wooden agate]

personal wants are going before what the game specifically has in mind for the animal

[safe flower]

but i will scroll and reply to your guys arguements

[limber hull]

the REASON we want a small-game pursuit hunter is because it ISN'T ALLO LMAO

unique playstyle that isn't immediately overshadowed by the bigger, better variant

[cosmic storm]

Saying Carno and Allo are similar is like saying a Marlin and a Lion are similar

It’s simply not true

[limber hull]

i feel like you misunderstand fundamentally my point

these two animals, if designed to be as he described it, would fulfil fundamentally the exact same niche in the ecosystem

meaning it becomes a matter of "which one of these two is bigger and better"

to which the answer will be allo

[cosmic storm]

So in other words I understand your point completely

[wooden agate]

yeah smol was responding to the other guy

[cosmic storm]

You are arguing in mechanics and I am arguing realism, both in this case are actually pretty well aligned

Allo and Carno had very different niches in life and their gameplay should also have very different niches because of avoiding making too many animals do the same thing

coughs in ; Carcharodontosaurus, Acrocanthrosaurus, and Giganotosaurus

[limber hull]

i hate two of those three animals lmao

[cosmic storm]

Lol

[limber hull]

especially carchar

[cosmic storm]

I love all 3 but from a mechanical standpoint they all do basically the same thing

[limber hull]

acro i hate because its niche in The Isle's concept art has to be the worst I've ever seen lmao

[wooden agate]

i think acro could be cool if it really utilized that weight of its

having its mouth being used for direct attacks, and using its weight to knock over things to get in a position to attack

[cosmic storm]

Acro could be reflective of it’s IRL and Legacy niche of being a swift burst speed apex designed to rush forward in short bursts of extreme speed to inflict significant damage by ram-biting.

[wooden agate]

kind of like "i am coming through and you are NOT stopping me."

[cosmic storm]

Basically the “Train”

[limber hull]

its effectively the opposite of that lmao

now it's a big fat bastard that grabs camaras and trikes by the neck and chokes them to death

[cosmic storm]

Literally what Trex is supposed to do

But with claws

[limber hull]

oh it doesn't use claws either

it uses its mouth

so basically it is just like rex, except not even rex has a move that obnoxious, and it is designed more to punch down with its crush move

[cosmic storm]

Oh geez, imagine butchering The Train so bad you forgot to utilize the notable arms there

[wooden agate]

acro becoming train would be peak

[cosmic storm]

It was literally a Train in Legacy, sounded like one too, lmao

[urban flax]

what if carchar was given the GIGASHARK niche

[limber hull]

you animal

[cosmic storm]

Hearing it aggressive call as it charges you like a literal freight train was one of the most hilarious and terrifying things you could ever witness in old legacy as a mid-low tier

[wooden agate]

having acro be this unstoppable force that is very adament about pushing its weight around (literally) would be pretty cool

but no, it chokes things

[wooden agate]

downsize carchara to allo sized and make it the alberto of giga

[limber hull]

the best part is to me is that

what exactly does it do that makes it different from rex, besides be a nightmare to people who have put like, 10 hours into growing a mega-apex

[wooden agate]

yeah the choke is (seemingly, from what we know) pretty similar to rexes pin, no?

[limber hull]

yea but for trikes and camaras LMAO

[wooden agate]

cringe.................

if you were going to do something for carchara, what would you do for it

removing it is not an option

[limber hull]

quadruped

[urban flax]

Based

Arboreal

[cosmic storm]

Make it more aquatic competitive, having a semi-piscivorous diet, giving it more water based abilities to put it between a Giga and a Spino (based off the fact it was found in similar areas to Spino)

[limber hull]

WADER CARCHAR

enemy of deinocherius

[cosmic storm]

yes

Perfect

[barren crater]

[wooden agate]

i wouldnt be absolutely upset with this

[barren crater]

ngl, it would be funny if they just made it a generic apex carni

quad carch would be so cool tho

[urban flax]

No special abilities, no unique stats
Literally just a legacy animal

[limber hull]

lmao i fully bet it would be

[barren crater]

legacy giga

[urban flax]

Maybe it could have the ability of not being able to turn in place

[wooden agate]

thats actually what i would like for carchara's niche

immortal snail niche (iykyk)

[barren crater]

#general-feedback message NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[wooden agate]

theyre booing me but im RIGHT

[barren crater]

Small diablos are so free. 🙏

[wooden agate]

i think the cons outweigh the pros of it personally

[barren crater]

What are the cons

[wooden agate]

it rewards you too much for going outside your niche and hunting absolute behemoths compared to what you should be hunting

[barren crater]

Having more diet options is always better

[wooden agate]

if you do manage to kill a diablo, the organs are reward enough imo. you're not exactly doing something the game wants you to do

[barren crater]

Yeah and they die for it. If you succeed then you should be rewarded. Juvis are also easy kills

[wooden agate]

you get rewarded by not starving

keep in mind, you'll still be able to go after sizeable juvies/fresh subs and eat their organs as well

[urban flax]

I won't care about diets until they're turned into a proper game mechanic

[wooden agate]

now i dont want carno to just lose a diet slot obviously, something else should go on there. but honestly, i dont know what.

a future playable perhaps. rugops?

[barren crater]

Carnos diet list sucks lol

[wooden agate]

it does, it really does

[urban flax]

Every carnivore diet list does

[wooden agate]

but carno diet list sucking does not excuse the small game hunter having the second largest herbivore in game right now

and also... the lack of dibble on cerato diet is plain out weird

[barren crater]

yeah but at least the cera can eat it when its rotten and get protein

[wooden agate]

this is true

[barren crater]

Cera's diet list is also pretty large

[limber hull]

i dont believe in roster bloat, personally, i think many of the game's creatures justify their existence with unique niches that you don't get elsewhere, but I DO believe in "apex bloat"

acro being made an apex is just... why, and carchar existing is a sin in itself

[limber hull]

cuz its a scav

[barren crater]

Of course but it's getting to the point where it looks off

[wooden agate]

this brings up another point

buff the manual vomit rotting, PLEASE.

[barren crater]

It keeps growing lol

[barren crater]

Ye

[limber hull]

almost like diet lists for carnivores is STUPID

im not a fan of the "all food should provide nutrients" though either

[barren crater]

I wish preferred food gave you more than just 1/3 diets. I think the list should be small, but if you do hunt those prey items, you gain a lot?

Idk outside of that

Maybe buff organ diet values?

[limber hull]

i wanted a system comprised around types of meat

fatty meat, lean meat, tough meat (each dinosaur has one of these as their body type), then organ meat, fish, bones, carrion, eggs, etc as other unique types of food

#isle-discussion message

basically this

[urban flax]

absolutely shameless

[limber hull]

you suck

[urban flax]

Whan can you insult me like that but when I try to do the same I get muted for a day

[limber hull]

because i'm iconic

[urban flax]

You have protagonist syndrome
Like acro

[cosmic storm]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS IDEA! I literally came up with an idea similar to this myself earlier today but didn’t post anything about it cause I didn’t think my system was developed enough and this literally answered all my issues with my own system.

[wooden agate]

oh this was sassy

the sassy man apocalypse takes another 🙄

[limber hull]

thanks man, it's like my fourth draft LMAO

ive been stewing over this for a WHILE

[urban flax]

Ok then allow me
#general-feedback message

The herbivore version

[limber hull]

absolutely disgusting self-promotion

[cosmic storm]

https://tenor.com/view/fma-fullmetal-alchemist-armstrong-bromance-viril-gif-16049606

The two of you doing shameless self promotion

[urban flax]

Please do not compare me to this "person"

[wooden agate]

god dammit i have 3 hours before i can post another general feedback

[limber hull]

unbelievable

mods should time you out for another week to think about this

[wooden agate]

for a year

[cosmic storm]

For a year and 1 day

[urban flax]

There's no need
I'm outta this wretcjed place already

I need to go to work

[cosmic storm]

oop

Oki, anyways, better diet system

I love the ideas

[barren crater]

I can get behind this. Especially for ptera

Great idea

[limber hull]

thank u i made it myself

[full pewter]

I like this👍👌

[wooden agate]

@gilded hollow id be okay with this, but the AI shouldnt be on their diet, and it should probably make them a lil sick. (not throwing up sick, either muscle spasms or infertile with a few debuffs)

it should basically be a last resort thing

[cosmic storm]

#general-feedback message I have made a long and passionate discussion about how much I hate carrying babies in the past, and I am not going to waste the energy to explain how much I hate it again after several years of time… @slate folio to summarize why I hate it; BoB

1. The way it was designed in the game was suboptimal
2. The fact I wasn’t able to opt out of it made me never touch that game again
3. I don’t want another game where motion sickness makes me quit.
4. there’s so many ways that kind of feature could be abused for the worst.

In all ways I am, and forever will be aggressively against carrying babies.

It was hell the first time and my first experience was too much, I don’t want another.

Especially in this game since nesting is one of the more optimal ways to spawn in.

[slate folio]

in dod you can get out of it and i think that should be a feuture too

[cosmic storm]

But they then spam pick up you over and over and it’s terrible

[unique mirage]

Just make it so the baby has to beg for it like for food for the parent to receive a pick up prompt

[cosmic storm]

I’m not going to make another emotional argument over this, the simple is there will be no world in which I ever will enjoy the idea, and there’s no world in which you can convince me, my experience was that bad it’s set my opinion hard in stone and I won’t change my mind no matter what. I hate it in every way and will remain hateful of it eternal. It’s not a matter of fixing the system, it’s a matter of emotional distress.

[slate folio]

ooooh yeah

[lusty agate]

This would likely solve one of the larger issues with baby carrying in TI imo. That way no one can just snatch you up.(if it was hypotherically in the game)

[cosmic storm]

Vietnam flashbacks type emotional distress. I so much as read the words “pick up baby” and get motion sickness now. BoB forever ruined my experience with it.

[slate folio]

this is a good idea, i like it

[cosmic storm]

It’s not a bad idea, I still hate it.

[lusty agate]

I would reccomend avoiding discussion of it if it stresses you out that much.

[cosmic storm]

That’s a smart idea, I’ll do that.

[slate folio]

nobody is trying to change your mind or your opinion, just like you wont change ours. there are going to be people who like it and there's going to be people who don't, and that is ok

[cosmic storm]

I want to leave the convo now

[slate folio]

thats ok

dont do things that overstress you. its not healthy

[primal valley]

Maybe not throw up, since it's only the small AI that MIGHT be on their diet, so it would be similar to grazing, but for diets. Only giving a very small bit, maybe so you can keep the fading diet for a little longer while looking for your fruits and stuff.

[lusty agate]

I do think there should be dinos that don't carry their young. Carno, Galli, Beipi, and most of the larger herbivores being good examples.

But other's like Rex, Cerato, Allo, etc have big enough jaws to do so

[slate folio]

yes, this. dienos should be able too

[unique mirage]

Carno I agree but galli might carry them in their arms like they do crabs

[lusty agate]

I was thinking something like that one bird that walks on lilypads, but at the same time it would look a little silly

Especially since Galli lacks feathers

If Galli got feathers I think it wouldn't be nearly as silly

[unique mirage]

Juvies might be hard but hatchlings at least should be able to fit in any parents mouth with how insanely small they are

[lusty agate]

Tbf, they aren't small for that long

[limber hull]

@solemn tinsel they're adding random spawns. No more cooldown, more spread out players, less hotspotting

[solemn tinsel]

oh

thats uh

I spent like a solid 30 minutes writing that paragraph up lmao

[wooden agate]

better than the current spawn system, ikr

[solemn tinsel]

I feel like better is a bit debatable, but honestly I'll take it

having an option for a randomized spawn would probably be better, while keeping some general spawns. But I can definitely see the idea behind having no cooldown, randomized spawns

[lethal shadow]

wil we one day get bigger servers i clearly think the community will be much bigger when t rex and trike comes

[woeful latch]

@vivid mason that’s actually pretty good idea, devs can use the same mechanic for omni so it can’t “spam” pounce

[vivid mason]

Eh, omni is supposed to be able to keep attacking in the same pounce. thats what makes it different

[fickle cave]

"I am not going to waste the energy to explain how much I hate it again" then proceeding to make a paragraph and bullet list on why you hate it, is unnecessarily condescending.

I think its a great idea if babies can be carried, even if they limit it to just the parents, group, or species.

Like in other games, there can be on option where babies can wiggle free, draining the stam of the one who picked them up

[proud coral]

I remember Don l o n g ago talking about carrying babies. The issue he described was some animals just anatomically can't really carry babies, yet it'd feel unfair to limit such a generic mechanic to only certain species. So it seems there's some problems with it :c

Personally I'm okay with it being a species-specific thing. Not all animals carry babies in reality anyways heehee.

I wanna see Omnis carrying babies like possums do lmao

https://tenor.com/view/leader-mother-squad-lets-go-opossum-gif-13811040

[woeful latch]

I have a question. How would stego carry its babas?

[tight iron]

thagomize them

[tight iron]

@teal ermine select yellow, turn saturation all the way down

[teal ermine]

I'll try that when I get home, any particular yellow I should pick?

[tight iron]

i pesronally pick the most intense yellow

[teal ermine]

Alright, ty for telling me! 😊

[tight iron]

anytime

[tall hearth]

If you also use the lightest shades of grey, turn the saturation down all the way too. You'll get some white colors.

[teal ermine]

Thanks! c: I've been doing that too

But I would like to have an option where I wouldn't have to adjust it to make it look more white

[cosmic storm]

As I mentioned, the “wiggle free” option is abusable and is the reason I hate BoB

Being spam picked up and shaken around like a rag doll is torment

Literally feel sick just remembering it, it was that bad, it’s not an exaggeration and I said I don’t want to talk about it any more so don’t ping me about this topic again

[tight iron]

@lyric cosmos megapack icon is also mixpack icon

[lyric cosmos]

Sure, and my suggestion is to make it more obvious- like really call it out, sorry for the edit by the way I'm in the car

Lol

[tight iron]

i see

[cyan flame]

@gloomy flame Why not? Whats wrong with doing an attack and then a follow up attack?

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
The power swing is garbage enough as is. Let’s not nerf it a seventh time

And in such a way that makes stego’s kit somehow against all odds even clunkier and less fun

[split saddle]

nah the way stego was before HT was honestly rather balanced. you had to understand your stamina and weaknesses in order to survive. I once killed 2 fg stegos on a 53% steg because I understood the dino better (lol they pinged me as a hacker)

[cyan flame]

Not really, stego has pretty much been bad since the beginning, was only really when rekit was new that stego was somewhat good of a playable for being a stego

[limber hull]

I’d argue it was and still is exceptionally weak before and after hordetest. Always entirely over reliant on stamina, with glaring weakpoints and lengthy animations to exploit

Not to mention elements like its head taking an exceptional amount of damage and its buck being near worthless

[barren zephyr]

Eh the bucking applies to everything last I've seen, it still needs to be redone, but when is the question

[limber hull]

not all bucks are made equal. dilo's buck is so much better than everyone elses, it's almost good, rather than just flat out bad

but yea, bucking overall is getting a redo

[wooden agate]

arent some buckings becoming more dangerous for the raptor as well?

[safe flower]

@prisma ermine why man? why would it need a buff?

[wooden agate]

as in, dilo bucking (biting at its side) harming the raptor

[wooden agate]

its pitiful right now

[midnight heath]

Stego isn't a good playable, it does need a buff.

[wooden agate]

for the rex defender that its supposed to be, its not very good at it (because it can barely defend against the current things in game)

[prisma ermine]

🤷‍♂️

[safe flower]

where can i see the stat changes?

[wooden agate]

stego getting absolutely murdered by solo diablo is so hilarious and sad

[safe flower]

i would like to see what i missed

[midnight heath]

Awful stamina consumption, power-swing has inverted aim when running, it can be stun-locked again, it got nerfed genuinely within maybe 2 weeks of finally getting a second attack.

The only good change I think stego got aside from a second attack at all, is being able to attack now without stamina like every other playable.

[safe flower]

but its still able be a god right?

[midnight heath]

No.

[wooden agate]

no lol

[safe flower]

oh ok

nice

[wooden agate]

its never really been a god like the vast majority of the community seems to think

people see raw stats and go "oh! its so op!"

[midnight heath]

It was never a God, genuinely convinced people who say it's OP never actually played a lot of stego.

[safe flower]

well they fought against it so theres that

do you guys play stego alot?

well you do

cause your name is thagomizer

[wooden agate]

ive played a few times and then ended up killing myself with it because it feels awful to play

[safe flower]

why does it feel so awful?

[midnight heath]

Yeah, as something that's a quarter of the size of stego. Of course it's going to hurt.

I used to main stego but I play everything on the roster, I've played everything a good amount except for dryo.

[midnight heath]

90% of deaths

Off an incline it goes

[safe flower]

is it boring or something?

[midnight heath]

Boring and just overall not good.

You have high DMG but that's just it and it's only high compared to what we currently have.

[safe flower]

cause i saw a thing about stego where players were killing themselves cause they literally cant die

yeah they shouldve put i in the game later

with like allo and rex it wouldnt be so boring

[midnight heath]

Ceras, omni, troodon, other stegos and diablos all kill adult stegos just fine. They're not unkillable.

[safe flower]

are you sure man?

troodon does not kill antthing easily

and i saw a group of 3 dibbles kill a stego with some difficulty

i just think that stego players are mad now cause its not COMPLETLEY unkillable

its the not the huge power tank it was in updat 3-4

[midnight heath]

Troodons can kill a lot of things really well if you have a nice group. It's just patience.

Again, anyone claiming it was ever unkillable didn't play a lot of stego.

it's not that diablos can kill them that's the issue, it's the stun and stun-locking that's an issue.

[safe flower]

i feel like dibble stun locking it makes sense

[midnight heath]

How? Stun-locking in every game is just cheese.

It's why they did away with cera being able to stun-lock via vomit.

[wooden agate]

and did away with pachy stunlocking

[midnight heath]

Stun-locking is just bad, it doesn't have a place in any game.

[safe flower]

you're not complaining about tenos tail stun locking things, but the second the stego has a weakness you're mad

both make sense and precautions should be taken to avoid it

[limber hull]

It was less tanky and less powerful in U3. Got stomped by deinos before 3.75

[safe flower]

one deino should be able to take out a stego

[limber hull]

Teno can’t stunlock things.

[midnight heath]

Teno doesn't stun lock anything, it has a knockdown with a long animation. You can get up before getting stunned again.

Also diablos way of stunlocking doesn't take stamina, a tail-slam does.

[limber hull]

It can, in water, as it should be

[midnight heath]

It can.

[safe flower]

if it kick you get in a stun lock, pretty sure at lest

[wooden agate]

a stun does not equal stun lock

[safe flower]

yes good

[midnight heath]

That's not stun-locking.

A stun isn't the same as stun-locking, it's why I said both.

[safe flower]

oh i did not realize

mb

[limber hull]

Nope. Simply can’t. There is a rough stun immunity for several seconds where you can retreat. Stego cannot retreat, it gets stunned, then gets stunned again, with no room to retaliate

[midnight heath]

Stun locking means you're repeatedly able to stun a character making it unable to move or attack on end.

Again, reference old cera vomit.

[safe flower]

oh that is broken but i think they should look at dibble

[limber hull]

Look at both

[safe flower]

not stego

[limber hull]

One’s too good, one’s far too weak

[safe flower]

if thats the only reason stego should get a buff, its dibble thats the problem, not stego

[limber hull]

There’s more reasons. Diablo is just the most glaring

[safe flower]

could i hear them

[midnight heath]

Stego is about to be put up to much bigger things, it needs to be better.

Otherwise it's just going to be cannon fodder for apexes.

[safe flower]

we will see

i think we should wait until those things get release before the agrument is made

[midnight heath]

I think people should play playables for more than a day before deciding they know it's OP or not.

[safe flower]

never said it was op, i think if the stun lock is taken away then were good

[limber hull]

We already know lmao, we don’t need to watch it to know. Ifs stego struggles this much with a creature half its size, to assume it will suddenly pull through against Rex is absurd

[safe flower]

should it be able to fight a rex? lmao

[limber hull]

Can it outrun a Rex?

[midnight heath]

Let me rephrase "I think people should play playables for more than a day before deciding what nerfs or buffs the playable needs."

[safe flower]

no but dryo cant outrun omni

[limber hull]

It can out-evade

[midnight heath]

But it's smaller and can evade omni. Also dryo is supposed to have a burrow, it's not a good argument.

[safe flower]

thats a fair point

[limber hull]

It has absolutely insane agility and stamina. It can use foliage and agility to break the omni’s knees

[safe flower]

i realize that now

[limber hull]

Carno outruns everything, but its lack of agility grants its prey a chance

[safe flower]

still we will see if stego needs a nerf or a buff when they actulually come out

[limber hull]

It does not need any more nerfs lmao

[safe flower]

it might not need buffs,

[midnight heath]

It does

[limber hull]

It almost absolutely does

[safe flower]

WE WILL SEE lmao

[limber hull]

WE ALREADY SEE lmao

There is nothing to see, it is already in a garbo spot

[safe flower]

NO WE DONT, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE STUN LOCK AND THE PIN

BUT STEGO WOULD BE FINE WHERE IT IS IF IT GOT THOSE CHANGES

[limber hull]

It would not

[safe flower]

how owuld it not?

[midnight heath]

Tell me you haven't played much stego without telling me you haven't played much stego.

[limber hull]

It still has a list of glaring stat problems ranging from stamina to cooldowns

[safe flower]

i have not played much stego

[limber hull]

Shocking

[safe flower]

tell me

but i can observe it

[midnight heath]

Listening to the same echo-chamber for 3 years really does it to a person I guess.

[safe flower]

what?🤔

[limber hull]

Trapped for 3 years in the stego OP echo chamber

[safe flower]

might be a popular opinion cause its true

just saying

like get off stegos meat

"my glorious king stego"

[midnight heath]

Says the one who just said they didn't play much stego

I love making opinions on things I haven't experienced

[safe flower]

lol

[limber hull]

Or because carnivores expect their prey to roll over and die, and getting one-tapped by something much bigger than them is not okay if it’s a herbi doing it (deino has been better than stego since release and has no whining because it’s supposed to do that)

[safe flower]

have you played a dibble against stego?

[midnight heath]

Yes

[safe flower]

did you have as much of an easy time as you say?

[midnight heath]

Massive headshot DMG reduction 👍

Able to stun them out of attacking

Repeat

[wooden agate]

its about as easy as killing a hypsi as fg omni

[safe flower]

lemme see the clip

[limber hull]

I don’t like playing stego. It is one of my least played animals. I literally prefer carnivores, especially troodon. I have no benefit from asking for it to get buffs besides satisfying my own game design needs

[safe flower]

cant be true

[limber hull]

It can and is

[cyan flame]

No, it wouldnt, because there's so many issues. Clunky, bad, slow attacks. Extra weakness on head. Very stam reliant. Cooldown on attack making it even more clunky. Lack of manuverability. Stego isn't a good, or fun playable, it's not a matter of stats. It's a matter of lack of pressure, lack of proper defensive capabilities. Lack of being good vs anything really. Stego struggles defending itself vs things it should be able to basically not think about. There are so many issues and bad design choices about it, and peope only really see big damage and think that matters when it does not. If you can't reliably deliver that damage, it is useless. And stego can not, because lack of pressure due to mobility, and clunky, cooldown and stamina costly attacks.

[midnight heath]

I think carnivores are more engaging personally, I want to like herbivores more but there's a lot of rough areas that make it feel tedious.

That's not true, he doesn't main stego.

[limber hull]

I main troodon lmao

[midnight heath]

I don't main stego either, I said I used to.

[cyan flame]

Can take 6+ power swings to the face, perfectly reasonable

[limber hull]

I have mained troodon since it touched the game

[midnight heath]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNDdzempnaHhvaDgzYXRtZzBreTVtMDF1dXFnZTBic2N0NXY3eXp2NCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/WsPnH9wyfYsPp0l6Z7/giphy.gif

[safe flower]

based

[limber hull]

Before troodon was out, I spent a lot of time talking about how excited I was for Troodon, and I mained omni

[midnight heath]

Afterthought Gods, please, please, please treat trike better. I need it and I will be crestfallen if it's somehow stego 2.0 as an apex.

[limber hull]

There has NEVER been an update where stego has ever been my main

[safe flower]

i really want trike to have like broken or horns or some shi

[safe flower]

based

[limber hull]

I usually joke with my friends about forcing them to play and grow stego because it sucks that bad to play

[midnight heath]

I know when Gateway first came out, I knew someone in here who could nearly solo a stego with a single omni.

[safe flower]

based

[safe flower]

bro who tf was that? jesus?

[limber hull]

I am the opposite of a stego main. I am the guy who wants this animal to not be garbage so I can stop ripping on it so hard

[cyan flame]

No surprise, and yet people still thought stego was OP. I hope they treat rex the same way.

[limber hull]

They won’t. Carnivore exception

[midnight heath]

Some kid that was in here, it's where I got this image of my stego. It's how I learned about the visual changes with bleed.

I wish they'd use that more

[safe flower]

oh cool

but i feel like they used pounce alot to kill stego, which is completeley valid

utahshould be relying on it pounce

[midnight heath]

I'm really unsure how I feel rex will be honestly, it won't have the BB it had in Legacy so I just don't know how it'll be "OP" just yet.

I'm also not sure if the crush ability is the pin

[safe flower]

how would the pin abillity even hurt?

youre just holding them in the same place

[midnight heath]

In the Isle that's not really what pins do.

[wooden agate]

you have the strongest jaws of the dinosaur world holding you down and crushing you

why would it not hurt.

[safe flower]

oh so its like a dps thing?

[cyan flame]

Funny, because it's not. Stego reach and tail should make attacking it's flanks a terrible choice. Yet omnis are fine doing it. I hope new buck lets stego hit omnis/troodons off of it properly. Doubtful it will, but it would make sense.

[wooden agate]

even if rex isnt crushing you, you still have banana sized teeth piercing you from all sides

[cyan flame]

Why would it not have fracture ability?

[safe flower]

word

[safe flower]

they already have anothing thing planned for it

would be kinda silly to add that too

[midnight heath]

Not the ability, I meant Legacy's BB specifically. Since we did away with % based BB a long time ago.

[cyan flame]

So? It's still a rex, I doubt it'd somehow not have it, unless it won't need it at all

[safe flower]

might not need it

will still be incredbly powerful without it

[cyan flame]

Oh okay, fair enough then! Also funny about that, apparently it worked on the weight formula too

[midnight heath]

I think trike's stomp should fracture if something gets under it.

I do not have fond memories of getting my legs snapped 9/10 times in the first 3 bites in Legacy.

[safe flower]

first bite for me

thats why i actually got hyped when they anounced rex would have pin instead of bb

[midnight heath]

I'm convinced rexes ability to cripple other playables is the only reason it was ever useful in Legacy.

[safe flower]

but now im realizing it could have both

[midnight heath]

100% would rather play a giga.

[safe flower]

WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?

[midnight heath]

I'll make my calls on how I feel after I play rex and after fighting it, for now I'm just not too sure how I feel about what we've been shown about it's kit. It's too early to tell though so I want to be fair.

[safe flower]

im praying itll be fun and not an ankle snatcher

[midnight heath]

I'm not a massive rex fan, the dinosaur in general but I'm excited to try it.

I'm far more excited for trike and giga as far as apexes go.

But excited nonetheless to play them all.

[safe flower]

trike is gonna be fun

[tight iron]

@feral radish thing is, small things already have a great chance at surviving, so it's only fair that they suffer on the ground

(excepting dryo ofc)

a herrera lives on the trees, so, to compensate, it's gotta be a pain in the ass to get on the ground

beipis live in the water, so they're immune to raptors till they get out (tbh killing a beipi as a raptor is pretty pointless)

dryos will be able to burrow, hypsis will be able to climb, etc

and also if you get pinned by a raptor it's your own fault or a raptor spawned on you, so giving you another chance in life is unfair for the raptor in this case

[icy lion]

@lean fable That's agave

[faint folio]

It's possible that like stego, they're introducing Rex with a partial kit so it doesn't completely destroy everything else. It's also possible they may decide as they add more dinos that rex really does need fracture to compete. But given how difficult pachy has been to balance with fracture/stun... I can understand why they'd want to lean away from additional fracture based dinos at the moment

[lucid mauve]

I mean its a rex, its supose to destroy if something gets close to that mouth. I could also destroy alot with stego, but i dont have the speed or the agility to do so. If you facetank a rex as a non apex that should be punished

[limpid breach]

@latent galleon u spam E on the bodies now

[latent galleon]

@limpid breach thank you so much

[tight iron]

@indigo surge raptors

(the f call is essentially a bark)

[gilded scroll]

Guys I need help, I deleted the game but after a long time I wanted to start again, I forgot some things in the game, how can I find prey, I'm starving every time

[tight iron]

are you in legacy or evrima?

[desert arch]

You can starve in legacy?

[tight iron]

good question 💀

[desert arch]

I literally never died of starvation while I played legacy. AI doesnt move or fight back and it literally spawns next to you.

Not to mention 1 ava can keep even apexes well fed

[limpid breach]

No problem

[tight iron]

also uh few changes that you should be aware of: when traveling, watch out, you might fall to your death at any point in time, the map is almost entirely mountains, trees, bushes and forests, you don't have the heart UI that shows your health anymore, instead, if you're orange hp or below, you will see the "wounded" status at the status report, and you will see the bite force (you deal less damage when wounded), so you can quickly calculate your health. for example, if a raptor has 65 bite force, 32.5 bite force means the raptor is at 5% or below hp.

also, there's a new stamina system that's somewhat complicated. if your stamina is at 24.99% or lower, you must sit down to get it back. if your stamina is at 25%-39.99%, you must either sit dow or not move to get it back. if your stamina is at 40%-60%, you must either sit down, not move or z walk to get it back, and, from 60%-100%, you can get it back while trotting, z walking, not moving or sitting down. by the way, it's not a quick and efficient regen anymore, you take a ton of time to get it back, and you gradually get it back, so it's faster as time passes. don't ask how the hell this got approved, cause i don't know

lastly, raptors and troodons can't pounce the head anymore, if they do, they deal damage and bleed to the prey, however raptors, under certain circumstances, can now pin bigger targets when a certain amount of raptors are latched on the prey

[indigo surge]

I wanna bark as every dino 😭🙏

[tight iron]

and finally, don't play ptera, it's frickin useless 💀

[tight iron]

not gonna lie

barking at things is absolutely hilarious

[indigo surge]

I wanna bark at deinos
Its fun

[desert arch]

Literally tenontosaurus 4 call:

[midnight heath]

@lean fable It's not aloe vera and it's not exclusive to East plains. It's a diet food that appears in quite a few MZs.

[tight iron]

@frozen pivot they do

[frozen pivot]

do you have proof? we tested it didnt seem to to us

[gilded scroll]

thanks

[tight iron]

apparently they do, it was fixed in ht

when ht was still up

[lilac bolt]

its not if you know what your doing

there are plenty of ways to reserve stam as ptera mainly gliding

[tight iron]

it is completely useless

not talking entirely about stam

[icy lion]

@hybrid mica If you give every dino every spawnpoint, then every dino will be able to spawn in the current hot spot

[fickle cave]

Timers will still be a thing. If you spawn in a hotspot as a baby, there is a 90% chance you're food, so having more spawn points is just a bonus

[icy lion]

Random spawns coming back will also be a thing

I was just explaining why I disagreed with the reasoning

[fickle cave]

OoOoh thats exciting!!! Id love a random spawn

Will random spawn have a timer too, or is that one no timer since you cant pick?

[iron relic]

Did anyone on the game ever said something about solving the problem with the queues or are they completely ignoring the problem?

[fickle cave]

what problem with queues?

[iron relic]

Long waits on queue to get on the game

[fickle cave]

Imo, long queues are not a problem. Thats something we inflict on ourselves by not joining a server with less people in it.

Plus, queues are a good thing! It mean the server is active, the game is active, and a queue system is better than not having one. DoD has no queue system and its a nightmare to get in a full server

[iron relic]

So you saying waiting 30 minutes to get on the game is not a problem?

[tight iron]

it's the dibble hype probably

[fickle cave]

You are choosing to do that wait. You can always choose a different server. Like when there is a 70+ person queue on NA4, I will go to Ca1.

if you don't, you have every right to wait, but waiting is your choice when you can choose a less populated server. all 70 of you could choose a different server and it would then be full

[tight iron]

either they'll make a few more servers or just wait

[iron relic]

You saying like there were 4 or 5 servers on with open spots with ping bellow 400 avaliable which there is not

[iron relic]

Ohh so they mentioned adressing the problem. Thanks thats all that I wanted to know.

[fickle cave]

Ping is your problem to fix, its based on your location and internet.

Im NA, and I have 5 servers with ping below 200. I play those.

It would be silly if I cried about not being able to play on AU servers because they have 400 ping

[unique mirage]

Ping is your problem to fix is wild

[iron relic]

This guy have some issues for sure

[fickle cave]

The isle devs cant buy you better internet

[iron relic]

You have no idea what ping is and what causes it appearantly]

[fickle cave]

How would you solve it? Youre doing an awful lot of complaining and offering no solutions

[tight iron]

im not sure if they did

thats just my take

[tight iron]

um

excuse me waht

you aint wrong but like

the issue isnt ping, which the devs can massively lower, but available servers

[iron relic]

Setting up a few servers would solve the issue

[fickle cave]

they were complaining that all the servers had too high of a ping to play on. The devs cant fix their internet for them

[tight iron]

the ping isnt a personal issue

the ping is a server issue in this precise case

so yes they can massively lower the ping in most servers

that doesnt mean getting 1 ping in all servers btw

but way less ping

[fickle cave]

How do they lower the ping for players? I dont imagine its just a sensitivity switch and theyre choosing to make the ping high

[tight iron]

by upgrading the servers

[lilac bolt]

ping isn't isn't based off of internet its just distance between you computer and the server so higher the ping the farther away you are

[tight iron]

however it's not that easy

[unique mirage]

And I think the point was that there are just no more servers available in their country forcing them to join 400+ping servers

[tight iron]

but not that difficult either

[fickle cave]

Upgrading the servers will also add a price increase.

[tight iron]

theres a tech called server sharding that, while costly, could easily get us 500 players with full ai and super less ping

however unofficials would be completely doomed

and dondi does not like that at all

because hosting an unofficial would be costly as hell and super complicated to maintain without infinite tools and experience

[tight iron]

funding isnt an issue for the devs

i would presume that a server upgrade is possible and wouldnt do any harm, however im not entirely sure

[fickle cave]

Adding servers/upgrading servers would be wonderful. of course it would be nice to allow more people access to low ping servers. But if there arent enough people in a location to be worth the cost of adding/upgrading, sure it sucks for the 5 people in that region, but 5 people arent worth hundreds of bucks on a $20 game

[tight iron]

it actually is worth it

[lilac bolt]

you can't just upgrade a server and expect greater ping? the only the decreases ping is like i said distance between the server and the player.

[tight iron]

not that simple

[lilac bolt]

it is that simple

[tight iron]

nope

each server is processed by some components

by upgrading a server, you pay more for your server to be hosted by more powerful components

[lilac bolt]

but theres a limit to how much that actually helps

[tight iron]

oh yeah absolutley

however the limit is just way too far

way way way way way too far

[lilac bolt]

the servers they have now are fine we just need more of them

[tight iron]

i mean

they aint really that fine but

they are decent

[lilac bolt]

i can get like 50-60 ping on most servers

[tight iron]

literally by doing some upgrades we could get 10 ping or less

and amazing performance

[lilac bolt]

60 ping is fine in most cases

[iron relic]

I think they would just need 2 or 3 temporary servers for when the player count is at its max

[tight iron]

cant strive for the bare minimum

[tight iron]

and wouldnt cost that much

also they could put higher population

up to 150 players for example and have very little ping

[lilac bolt]

just depends i guess since while yes they could probably get it down to 10 for most people as long as you are decently close to the server is it actually worth doing overall?

can most people tell the difference between lets say 50 and 10 ping?

[tight iron]

upgrade player count, lower the ping by a lot, improve performance by a lot

theres no universe in which it's not worth it unless theres a big issue impeding it

[lilac bolt]

well idk its up to them but another thing is consistency since 60-50 ping is fine as long as it doesn't jump a lot number wise

[tight iron]

theres also a ton of optimization to be done in the game

theres so much room for optimization it doesnt even feel real

[fickle cave]

To improve performance AND lower ping, AND add servers AND increase player count, is a LOT of extra cost that you for some reason think we wont be punished for.

Its gonna come outta someone's pocket, and that someone is us. The devs are already paying for employees and server costs. They have to make money, its a business, not just a break even

[lilac bolt]

yeah since on most computers it just doesn't run that great

[tight iron]

not that much cost

• funding is really not an issue

as per what dondi said

[fickle cave]

Do you work for them? Do you know what all there servers combined cost currently? as well as all the employees they have to pay vs how much they make monthly?

There has to be a reason that they cant just upgrade the servers, or they wouldve done it, right?

maybe cost isnt the problem. So what is?

[tight iron]

i don't work for them, i don't know how much they cost right now, i don't know the wage of all devs, i don't know how much they make monthly, i know that they make over a million a year, probably 2 or 3, i know that dondi himself said funding is not an issue, and, while i don't have my own server, ive been on many different hosting pages and know that upgrading servers wouldnt be an issue for them unless there is something weird impeding it

[tight iron]

well you see, that's in theory, but, in reality, anything can happen

[tight iron]

im not saying they dont do it cause they dont want to, im just saying that, unless there is something impeding it that we don't know about, it's not difficult

[fickle cave]

So then there are 2 options;

1. laziness/neglect
2. A reason that we don't know

So it just seems silly to moan and whine without offering solutions, or, insisting that its just EZ PZ

[tight iron]

moan and whine without offering solutions... we totally havent offered solutions

and about insisting that it is ez pz, it is ez pz unless something stupid is making it impossible

[fickle cave]

saying "just add more servers and make it better" isn't a helpful solution. It's been said 100 times and they haven't done it or mentioned it from what ive seen, which means either they don't care, or there is a reason they can't. repeating the same "solution" isn't a solution, its beating a dead horse

think of a different solution, or give different feedback

you could even ask. "hey dondi, is there any limiting factors to why we can't add more servers?" in a Q&A or something, idk if he does those

[lucid mauve]

He did answer that last stream tho : P

[fickle cave]

What did he say? I'm still new to the game, so anything not said here, im unaware of

[lucid mauve]

Some guy asked about servers, and dondi said no need cus playerbase still same ish. Then he checked, and saw that playerbase was growing. And he had to look into it.

more or less that

[fickle cave]

So he did address it then. problem solved, for now. all we can do it wait to see his decision

[tight iron]

r u fr

like bruh

if theres a solution that someone doesnt wanna implement, it doesnt make the solution ass

it means that it wasn't being looked at or it wasn't implemented for whatever reason

it still doesn't make the solution ass or mean that you should give another soltuion

[fickle cave]

Did you miss the part where I said repeating it 100 times doesn fix it?

Plus, continue reading, he IS looking into it

[tight iron]

surely doesnt fix it, but theres nothing against saying it 100 times

[tight iron]

i already read it

[fickle cave]

there isnt a rule against it, but its useless. he has stated he has to look into it. So asking about it 100 times doesnt do anything except clog the feedback channel

[tight iron]

most people are unaware about it

only a fraction of the playerbase watches the streams

and plus most people don't watch general feedback or any feedback channel at all

[fickle cave]

So maybe a good feedback would be "Admins please pin any feedback thats being looked into so we can keep track of updates"

[tight iron]

that would actually be peak feedback

deadass best feedback of the year

you wanna post it?

[fickle cave]

Ive got a 5 hr cooldown since I just posted a suggestion about queues, go for it man :D

[tight iron]

ill give you credit

[fickle cave]

<3

[coarse spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/gymnastics-fail-oof-lets-party-goal-gif-14066537

#general-feedback message new herra move just dropped

[blazing lagoon]

@cosmic wigeon

[lyric cosmos]

@low kestrel #general-feedback message I'm about to blow your mind

||https://youtu.be/rPEDpiyL0YE?si=LLu8sZnbqLbN5O1z||

[tight iron]

@low kestrel rex is releasing very soon

[lean fable]

@low kestrel i too want rex in the game but i feel as though atm itll just be too op and feel like we should either wait till we get more of the bigger dinos or we should get the apexes out together so that itll be more balanced and the first apex to be released wont just dominate the others due to it being full grown

[lean fable]

with the new dev blog how would that effect troodons venom as with the dev blog they are reducing the amount of damage pounce does, troodons venom only makes the pounce deal more damage at lvl 3 venomation, but will they change it so that venom gives troodons bite more damage as well?

[safe flower]

@hexed rain bro forgot about baby austro

[hexed rain]

dang, my bad

[safe flower]

yg just dont let it happen again gang

[hidden mist]

<@&933486433342222376>

[junior nymph]

GET OUT

you need to leave

phew

[hidden mist]

@desert quarry don’t also forget constantly switching attack controls when you breach.

[hidden mist]

I don’t even know if there is a logical reason behind such decision 😔

[safe hearth]

Does Rex still only available to the unofficals?

[narrow narwhal]

that is what they plan, same with other Apex creatures with maybe a few exceptions

[tight iron]

if they can't make it work well in officials, only unofficials

but if they're able to, then officials and unofficiaisl

[limber hull]

not the current news

[narrow narwhal]

ohh?

[safe hearth]

I mean they said, it could be change in future. But i wasn't sure if they had said anything about it yet

[limber hull]

it will be attempted as officials, then if it doesn't work, it'll be unofficialised

[narrow narwhal]

would be neat to have maybe a rotating roster of certain playables and you can keep playing them as long as you keep them alive, meaning that even if its not in rotation, if you are really dedicated you and someone else could nest in more

[safe hearth]

Oh well thats new.
So I was sure they said that the official should be balanced.
That's why apexes don't come to the officials.
For example, stego should be replaced by Kentro.

[limber hull]

stego should not be replaced with kentro

[safe hearth]

Punch i think it was mentioned that couple of years ago as a possibility

[narrow narwhal]

not replace replace, but steggo being made as a apex

[frank tapir]

I thought steggo was an apex

[limber hull]

atm? no

[safe hearth]

A that way. Ok my fault

[narrow narwhal]

yeah technicaly in a way yes, but mechanicaly no

[safe hearth]

I know that plans can change, which is why i'm asking whether a statement was made about this, that i may not have noticed.

thx a lot. That helps👍

[lean fable]

i feel like it wont be that hard, just make carnivore apexes a bit stronger than trike and other apex herbivores, all herbivore apexes will have the same "max stats" and all carnivore apexes will have the same "max stats" the only difference being playstyles, damage types and diets, and then make apexs not too tanky so that like 4 or so large dinos or what ever the next "teir" down is (as i didnt play legacy and dont know if its apex-large-medium-small or apex-medium-small) can kill an apex so that apexes arent considered gods and theyre just in a different niche, also make them get basically no food at all from smaller dinos so that they dont hunt small prey and instead they are more confined to bigger dinos like other herbivore and carnivore apexes and the next "teir" down so my guess maia allo barry and deino all depending on which apex like how for spino barry and deino will be in its diet and for rex trike and maia will be in its diet, this way, i think, will make sure that our favourite big boys will be in the main game and will also make it more balanced

[limber hull]

Why would making all carnivore apexes stronger than all the apex herbivores ever be a good thing?

[lean fable]

only a tiny bit because herbivores will have a higher max group capacity like how dibble and stego have more group capacity than carno and are still stronger

[limber hull]

that's not how that should work. the rex is much faster than trike, so trike should be stronger in a fight

[lean fable]

thats what im trying to say as in "max stats" overall the rex will be stronger in certain areas like speed and bite force but trikes will have better health and better head protection due to its frill

[limber hull]

trike should honestly always destroy a rex in a 1v1 if the rex fails to ambush imho

[lean fable]

in real life yes but in a game not everyone plays with other people like myself as i prefer to play by myself in games like this, so i think it should be more even and who plays smarter

[limber hull]

in game, it should be whoever is slower should be better at fighting

that's how good balance works. if you can't pick your fights and choose to retreat, then you should hit harder

[lean fable]

yes i agree that trike should have an advantage over rex if played well like if they keep theyre head facing towards the rex so that the head protection makes it so that the rexs bite does less damage than the trikes stab but if the trike player doesnt keep facing towards the rex and instead lets it bite its sides then it should be punished for that

do you disagree?

[iron relic]

@coarse mirage love the expression pvp fortnitefanboy kids zone

[limber hull]

i think honestly it's unlikely for a rex to beat a trike without groups or a solid ambush or a unskilled trike

[lean fable]

thats what im saying if the trike can keep facing the rex then itll win however if the rex can find an opening on the trikes side then the trike shall be punished as the rex will be punished if staying infront of the trike

[dry falcon]

@vivid mason there is tail physics. Only difference is that they don't collide with the environment.

When you move left and right quickly when walking you notice the tail has some smoothing, that's the physics

[vivid mason]

the tail physics we have are nothing compared to this

[dry falcon]

I'd say it's pretty good. Dmvi or something also did a comparison between them on and off

Current physics are just simplified

[lean fable]

i feel like the tail physics we have are more accurate due to that fact that tails are muscle and not fat so they have less movement than the previos tail physics and dont look like floppy pps

[dry falcon]

Haha

[icy lion]

@still zealot Have you tried a clean reinstallation? Verifying game files? Wiping the folder in appdata? Updating your GPU drivers? Updating windows?

[still zealot]

Every single one

It isn’t just me there is plenty of others with this issue in the sub Reddit etc

[barren zephyr]

The sub-Reddit is like the most negative place you’ll hear about the isle

[still zealot]

Sure but the crash complaints seem accurate to me

I think the game mechanics are excellent and it plays good but again the crashes make it unplayable

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-saiyan-goku-gif-5009523

[limber hull]

you know what animal needs a nerf right now?

stego!

[still zealot]

It’s probably something to do with easy anti cheat. It doesn’t work at all and it just causes crashes. Should use an alternative anti cheat.

[fickle cave]

@misty sable they are already adding a random spawn option

[misty sable]

I dont want a randowm spawn location I want more specific spawn hahaha

Like highland for deino or south plains

[tall hearth]

No, they're planning on removing the option to choose spawns entirely. So no more choosing.

Back to legacy spawning

[urban flax]

But hopefully with a spawn with group option

[limpid breach]

@spiral drum I do miss spiro a lot, especially the coastal it was beautiful, just feels wasted ngl, I just wish they would fix it up a little, make it prettier and stuff, before they would possibly make servers for it.

[spiral drum]

Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Gateway and much prefer it since it is so heavily developed with biomes and the fact that it's a non-restrictive island and what not... I just felt a bit sad thinking about how much time we actually spent on Spiro, and then it is just all gone in favor of a new map. I feel like something like that needs to be preserved in the same way as Legacy keeps V3 and Thenyaw alive.

[limpid breach]

Agreed agreed

[barren zephyr]

@gentle rampart I just wanted to ask you said carnivores almost always have the upper hand in nature which is wrong and right at the same time. So I am going to assume in this case your analogy is a lion-antelope relationship sort of deal, do you agree it should be the same with Rex and Stego?

[limber hull]

in the lion antelope situation, the antelope can just run away lmao

[barren zephyr]

Well I mean it’s like they want everything to tremble and run in the sight of a carnivore, so I was asking if they think that is valid for a Rex-stego relationship

[limber hull]

also asking for a stego nerf is still absolutely wild to me. it is already overnerfed

and cera/raptors absolutely do not need buffs, they are in a crazy powerful state atm

[barren zephyr]

I just got used to it now, everyone’s been asking for a stego nerf since day 1

[cyan flame]

@gentle rampart Carnis should have it harder, that's a good thing. Also last thing we need for balance is to buff omni or cera (carno is getting changes to hopefully finally be good at its job) or nerf stego (diablo is also getting some changes, being slightly less agile possibly). But overall, carnis are doing fine. If you somehow handled an entire pack of raptors on your own as sub, then you were lucky, they should by all rights have won that fight.

[limber hull]

raptors remain one of the most powerful animals in a skilled user's hands

[gentle rampart]

I dont believe so, ive been in a raptor pack and been against a raptor pack. the diablo and steggo are op against everything. diablos hitbox is insane. Bleeds are fine, health is fine, im speaking solely on attack damage

[cyan flame]

Dibble having a weird hitbox is probably part lag, but could also be part bug/issue. But that's not really balance, and dibble is overall a bit overtuned in some aspects. Stego is just bad overall, and raptor is very powerful, even more so with grapple (also overtuned, needs some nerf).

[limber hull]

stego is not OP at all if you realise how many weaknesses it has. raptor packs are far more effective against it than they should be tbh, stego is designed to defend its flanks, yet raptors can still kill it by taking advantage of its terrible stam economy, lengthy animations and vulnerable head

[gentle rampart]

a raptor can get knocked and be 2 body lenghts ahead, then 2 hit to kill is too much

[limber hull]

and then there's grapple, which ties into stego's horrible stam economy and makes the stego even more punished to use its primary attacks

[barren zephyr]

Anyone notice stegos insane cooldowns

attack usage*

[cyan flame]

Yeah, there may be some issues with some hitboxes for dibble and dilo and so on, but that's not really what makes a playable balanced or not, since hitboxes should be well adjusted (stegos hitbox is for that matter supposedly really tight)

[limber hull]

yup. it has so many arbitrary restrictions

[gentle rampart]

yesterday, (or the day before) i was a solo subadult diablo, vs 2 adult raptors, 2 subadults and 2 juvies. killed 2 adults, a subadult and a juvie and im not that skilled of a player

[barren zephyr]

I’m just noticing this now, wtf

[gentle rampart]

health was fine in the entire fight, blood got to half

and survived

[cyan flame]

But overall, raptor is very good, as it usually is when not bugged out. Even troodon is surprisingly good, honestly probably overtuned as well.

[limber hull]

troodon is slept on. thing's nuts

and with next update, will likely be even better

[cyan flame]

Right, so... 2 adult raptors, yeah you can handle that as a sub dibble, them having juvies would not help, their subs could maybe add to grapple if they knew how to use it

If those two subs had been adults too, you'd be done for

[gentle rampart]

the did grapple, i killed one bc he grappled and i knocked him off on a rock and killed him in 2 hits

[cyan flame]

I'm really not looking forward to not seeing anything at night as stego again but oh well xD

[barren zephyr]

Did you kill the sub

[cyan flame]

Yeah no, thats just pouncing, not grappling

[gentle rampart]

one of them

[cyan flame]

If you'd been grappled, you'd be defenseless

[gentle rampart]

oh you mean pinned\

[cyan flame]

Yep

[gentle rampart]

no they didnt pin me

[cyan flame]

And they could do that quite easily, if they had gone about it better, which is part of why raptor is so powerful

How heavy were you, if you can recall?

[gentle rampart]

the slots and bite mechanics will help a lot that they spoke of in the dev blog

idk tbh

[cyan flame]

Yeah, hopefully bucking will also be good to counter that

[gentle rampart]

they said you can bite and cause more hp loss with fewer bleed but it will drain your stam a lot more

[desert quarry]

Oh yeah... I thought I was going crazy about that.

[cyan flame]

Yeah, you'll have either high damage or high bleed. And bucking in turn will just force the omni off, and in some cases even do damage to it if it's pounced in the wrong spots or so.

[midnight heath]

#general-feedback message Giga teaser?

[icy lion]

Here! #isle-discussion message

[midnight heath]

Thank you! It's wonderful.

[limber hull]

@left ridge

• Sparring is being added to all ceratopsians/apexes
• Hypsi already has an arboreal nest, it simply needs climbing

Your suggestions are already in the works. Just wanted to let you know. Good feedback btw

[left ridge]

Ty, but even with that being the case non apexes should get it too since it helps to encorage social behaviour, and is just gen super fun to do.
Most animals would have diff ways of sparring ofc but I feel like helping to avoid the problem of having apexes be the most played and overpopulating dinos, making the little guys have more to do would be better.

Apexes are great and I'm glad they are getting it but it would be nice for troo and omni, etc to get it as well.
More social functions and things to do in downtime is a big plus for us.

Heaps of other ppl who I've chatted with about it have agreed so thought id share some more perspective on that too.

[left ridge]

Ty though!! I def agree, and Im glad to see they will get around eventually, I just really hope some of it happens sooner rather than later. I am hopeful some of the littler guys get some work soon since we have mostly just been getting heavy weights recently and hardly any changes to the little guys other than stat changes.
Especially when some of them are really hard to play without some of their future developments we are yet to see.

Super keen to see where things go! Ty for the reply! <33

[limber hull]

Yea, hypsi changes would be amazing

We have news of it being able to do things like spit in herreras eyes to make them lose their footing, which is genius

Because it adds a logical reason to why it'd have that ability for its own survival, as herrera would logically be its primary predator

[pliant shuttle]

CREATE ASIAN CHANNEL

[urban flax]

@gentle rampart We already have albertosaurus coming to the game

[limber hull]

albertwo

[urban flax]

albertowo

[limber hull]

you're a sick man

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-skate-skeleton-kick-flip-gif-16187494

[wooden agate]

why was the albertowo face banned

@arctic haven this was YOUR doing

[latent olive]

@versed rivet this is the new anky design
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1085920940774404138/1091669041480990861/Ankylosaurus.jpg?ex=66d4e945&is=66d397c5&hm=0f31224eafa4247e753fa5cd7afed050adbdbd3a48947674c3ce4d5c4bcd488a&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059193319479054507/1059200464979243158/Anky_v_Acro_color_2021_copy.png?ex=66d5718d&is=66d4200d&hm=572799912766363fc04435ec3bfa6935bb333193da81dd3217d16bece3c55e71&

[versed rivet]

Thanks you, i don't remember this picture, but i would prefer the spines on the sides of the shell, as i showed in feedback, however the tail looks better !

[urban flax]

JW designs are kinda bad

[versed rivet]

Why ? 🙃

[urban flax]

They over-monsterify creatures because real animals are not scary enough to their taste
Also lots of shrinkwrapping and extra teeth and spikes in places where they don't belong, making the dinos look like zombie monsters more than anything else

[versed rivet]

Okay, i understand your words, but i don't this the JW designs is look like zombie mosters xD

Anyway, i'm so exicted to see Ankylosaurus on The Isle Evrima !

i hope before 2026 xD

[limber hull]

thank god it was

also FILTER EVASION FILTER EVASION

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

you cant post a screenshot like that then blame the trees LMAO

[urban flax]

Dude is playing on a toaster

[barren zephyr]

How does one play like that 😭 no offence

[dry falcon]

You're joking right?

[limber hull]

?

[dry falcon]

The dude made the settings really low to prove how much of a difference it doesn't make

[limber hull]

so uh

so what

i fail to see what that proves

[urban flax]

It kinda shows that the performance issue isn't graphics-related

[dry falcon]

Changing the quality of a texture of a tree is different than optimising how many trees you can see from a specific point

[dry falcon]

It proves that the game needs optimisation?

[north quiver]

#general-feedback message

is this a genuine thing? because this would explain a lot of encounters I’ve seen lol

does it delete very specific shrubbery?

[cedar drum]

Blaming the rocks mostly, and more assets do impact performance

My point is that I don’t get the extremely good graphics because something in the game is impacting performance significantly, me being on very low graphics proves that it isn’t the fact that the games graphics are high end which causes the performance issues, so im personally guessing that it’s the very large amount of assets on gateway, specifically rocks, had a friend tell me that they checked and found upwards of 500 or so rock assets per mountain, and that is going to cause performance issues

[urban flax]

Unless the game was made 10 years ago, the number of rocks shouldn't be an issue performance-wise

[limber hull]

there's also no evidence the number of rocks or trees has literally anything to do with your given FPS

[dry falcon]

It's very obvious the game uses marketplace assets. Which leads to some assets being less optimised than others. Nothing wrong with that, it's just that the Devs just have to modify some things .

[urban flax]

which ones ?

[dry falcon]

Rain Forest Pack

[full pewter]

@maiden anvil Diablo kinda has a bite. When you attack downwards the dibble will swing its head and bite into the ground, I always forget the name of this move. Diablo already has a lot of moves so I think it’s just hard to insert a bite attack especially if Diablo doesn’t really need one

[barren zephyr]

It’s not easy to modify an asset that you personally haven’t made

Especially a market place one where people can include a lot of weird code in their assets which the devs have to be really careful working with.

[urban flax]

wait how do you include code in a 3D asset

[boreal briar]

@red comet My only issue with that mutation, is it sounds like an AFK growers wet dream. I think it should be limited to the 3rd slot if it gets done. I'd definitely pick that up as quite a few dinos.

[maiden anvil]

I was thinking if that was the case. Somewhat I feel like the average LMB should be a simple bite while holding it is a great headbutt

[full pewter]

Eh I’d rather just use the head swing, it seems hadrosaurs may end up being similar too

[barren zephyr]

You can model an asset from the start just based on code

as well as incorporate it later on

[urban flax]

Ok but that's not how the model is exported afterwards

[vagrant estuary]

any method to regain diet ?

all my prefered food is gone when im reconnect

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @vale pawn ooooh mangroves! Great idea! would also be a nice thing to use to swap between salt and sweet water!

[lusty agate]

Too just add; The timers are to account for body decomposition time, and to allow other players (if desired) to leave the area.

[gentle rampart]

#general-feedback message

Is this against the rules? I understand its very immoral and def borderline cheating but its like people using the client sided snow in legacy, soo is it a no go or is that just up to the user (while still being a no no)

[fickle cave]

I can't tell why people are voting no for my mutation feedback. I need feedback for my feedback.

Do they dislike mutations in general? Do they dislike a single specific mutation, or all of them? Do they think the mutations need buffs/nerfs? Do they dislike the branch system?

tell meeeee

[vale pawn]

I think its because you decided to include all those mutations into one single suggestion

If they dislike a mutation you put, they cant really dislike that specific mutation

If they like some mutation ideas while disliking others
They either like it which means they are also liking the ones they dislike, or dislike it which means they are also disliking the ones they like

And I think people would rather not want something they dislike so they just vote to dislike it

[fickle cave]

Yes, thats why I asked for those details

[vale pawn]

Thats why I prefer to put my mutation ideas individually rather than 1 big list

[fickle cave]

yeah I cant wait 6 hours between mutations

[vale pawn]

Then maybe only lump the ones that fit similar themes

[rare marsh]

umm are the devs aware that deino eyes glow in the dark underwater at night xd

and its visible to other species.. kinda makes hunting at night impossible

[red comet]

i think it would make sense only as a third perk, and one that you have to unlock. maybe starve or dehydrated till redlined. something that not everyone will do without purpose or necesity.

[gentle flint]

@misty sable I will point out that herbis only have mushrooms while they’re still practically fresh spawn (and that’s even if they’re willing to risk sanctuary to get it)

[hidden mist]

From what I heard, carnis will probably have Psittaco AI in sanctuaries to feed on them.

[fluid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-dinosaurs-jim-henson-muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-gif-10951398133467140007

[rapid bloom]

@pliant shuttle there is if you are an admin

[limber hull]

you added some of the most overpowered combat mutations i think i've ever seen. Most of these mutations add to the already problematic list of stat buffing mutations that turn the game into a war of attrition over a survival experience

[gentle rampart]

#general-feedback message

As soon as i posted this, i re-joined the queue, stayed intil 3rd in line and got disconnected again. Re-joined queue and its at 55

i really hate this game sometimes

[full pewter]

#general-feedback message
I made this post a while back, but right now I’m just looking for second opinions. Would appreciate any feedback here

[limber hull]

@quick maple I agree with the idea, but not having only be one word (that's just extremely annoying and I could just go "HeyGuysAnyoneWantToNestIAmMaleBTW" to circumvent it)

Also, I wouldn't have it be a seperate tab, just have a little indicator next to the message to indicate it's a long range broadcast message. Something like

[Broadcast] Wavepoole: Hey anyone out there?

[quick maple]

fair enough

didn't think about abusing it good catch 😂

just would love broadcasts to have an actual use

[limber hull]

Just treat it like a normal message. I can almost guarantee people will find ways around that restriction, or just get mad about it :P

[limber hull]

Oh no, for sure, I 100% agree

[quick maple]

idk if the devs really look at the suggestions but I hope they see that one

of everything people suggest I'd guess that one wouldn't be too hard to implement

in the grand scheme

[full pewter]

#general-feedback message
I made this post a while back, but right now I’m just looking for second opinions. Would appreciate any feedback here

[quick maple]

Is hypsi going to get climbing like Herrera? Keep hearing this mentioned, what's the source of this? Did a dev mention hypsi climbing long ago or something? That aside, hypsi climbing like herrera would be pretty awesome.

[limber hull]

its confirmed, yea

[quick maple]

sweet

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

its crazy that someone managed to say why their idea was a bad idea in the idea

"Making them lose their ability to heal damage will eventually make them easy pickings for others."

yea, which means it'll be abused to make people easy pickings

[cosmic thorn]

I see no issue with that. Mixpacking is mixpacking, whether you want to or not. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[limber hull]

now you see, you're looking at this from the narrow lens

what people WILL do with this debuff is figure out how to boon their mixpacks

get on discord, get a few guys to play, say, troodon, and sprint around a stego. make sure that the game really notices how much time you're spending near this stego, until it gets flagged as a mixpacker

then, now that you've done that, call up mr big rex or whoever have you, and take down that debuffed stego with relative ease

doesn't matter if the stego didn't actually mixpack, because the game thought it did, and punished accordingly

because it's incapable of determining intent

now it's a mixpacker's tool

[fickle cave]

#general-feedback message

They've mention that they will be bringing back the random spawn option for dinos. I think the random option wont have a timer

[limber hull]

half right. it won't be an option, unless you're the server host

officials will be random spawns by default

[fickle cave]

I like the random spawn as default.

It will spread out themap a little, so more sanc will be populated instead of just the 2 hotspots

[indigo gulch]

as long as you can spawn near your friends, I dont really mind

[gilded scroll]

guys Normally, before playing Evrima, it wasn't like this but now I'm playning evrima and I'm getting 10 fps, does anyone know why? (sorry for bad english)

[urban flax]

New update brings more things and isn't optimized yet

[gilded scroll]

okay, thank you

[gilded scroll]

evrima really need optimization

[full pewter]

You should probably check your graphics settings too

[gilded scroll]

yes i check it every settings is low :17 fps max

[full pewter]

What’s your specs?

[gilded scroll]

what do you mean i have bad english

[full pewter]

Like what hardware does your computer have? Like the cpu, ram, or gpu, those three especially will matter

[gilded scroll]

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor 3.20 GHz
RAM 8,00 GB
GTX 1650

[full pewter]

The gpu is mid range so something higher range could help, more ram too

I use a GeForce 3070 and it runs the game nicely, and they’re pretty affordable nowadays

[gilded scroll]

I don't think I can buy better right now because of Turkey's economic situation.

[full pewter]

Ah gotcha, sorry to hear that, I hope the info can help at least:)

[gilded scroll]

thanks

[gilded scroll]

uh, maybe i can upgrade the ram its cheap

[full pewter]

That is true, it’s the cheapest move you can do now

[gilded scroll]

thank you

[tender latch]

Literally every one of Benji's feedbacks are S tier

[full pewter]

Can anyone remind me how the blunt/fracture resist stat works? Doesn’t it only take one hit to receive a fracture? (I am aware of weight being a factor though)

[urban flax]

Weight isn't a factor
Every dino's breakable parts (head, body, legs) have a set amount of fracture health
Some attacks deals blunt damage
Once blunt damage dealt exceeds fracture health, the bodypart is fractured

[full pewter]

Oh ok so like a stego just has very high fracture health for example?

[urban flax]

yeah

[coarse spruce]

they called beipi a harmless duck :(

it should have stronger claw damage for sure but a pounce doesnt sound right

[slate folio]

Yeah it doesn't suit it

[coarse spruce]

also isnt austro gonna have pounce?

[full pewter]

I think it should be enough to threaten austro, at least in groups

[coarse spruce]

40 damage, 80 damage alt bite

thats my take

[full pewter]

Maybe but I doubt it’ll be anything like Omni, I don’t think those webbed feed and feathered arms can grip much

[full pewter]

Austro right?

We should probably consider kick attacks too, I can see austro having traits of both galli and herra

[coarse spruce]

I meant beipis claws

[full pewter]

Yea that could work for it, maybe a little more if anything imo, austro might be about herra size (175kg) if not larger, whatever Austros damage output is I’d hope it’s generally less than beipis weight so Beipi isn’t getting one shotted all the time

[coarse spruce]

people used to suggest beipi picks deino teeth #general-feedback message

it's a bit topsy turvy to see the next semiaquatic on the lineup getting the same ideas

[leaden prism]

@vestal sequoia "fix your map, I get stuck in the dumbest of ways"

sees pfp

that checks out LOL

[vestal sequoia]

sdjhGFSJhg SHHH 😂

[leaden prism]

poor Estinien fell in a hole and raptors got to him

[vestal sequoia]

I am in a hole rn

[leaden prism]

you already try the unstuck?

[vestal sequoia]

:(

Yes but then i got stuck again on... another hole

[leaden prism]

oof, you can try #evrima-na pins to request an unstuck from a GM

but yeh, they likely know lol

[vestal sequoia]

It's fine i'll just wait

[cyan flame]

@fickle cave I don't think I've seen many people at all that think an omni should 1v1 a deino, or that critters should not have their mechanics or things like that. If anything, people just don't want the mechanic to be the be all/end all but a part of a critters kit properly. Also not sure how the map relates to this, most of what I've seen there is just that hotspots are a problem still, and that sometimes the map can feel a bit large when you don't encounter people and so on. As for mutations, most people are happy with them, that they give a reason for nesting and all. And any complaints tends to be concerning combat mutations, especially the ones that seems like meta choices, since you end up being forced to take a certain mutation or just be worse off.

[fickle cave]

The complaints Ive seen are things like "The map is too big"; Which I said is a silly complaint because we need that room to add more dinos and food.

The carnivores complain that Herbivores are too strong, or Herbivores complain Carnivore mechanics are too strong.

When someone suggest a new mutation idea they dislike any new mutation saying it will be too strong, completely disregarding the tuning aspect. They'd prefer to NOT have a new mutation or a new ability.

[cyan flame]

Sure, people complain about balance, for good reason, there's issues aplenty at times. Though that's more for balance feedback. And the map can be too big, if you're looking for more encounters. Even adding more food wouldn't neccesarily solve that, or adding more dinos per say, since it's a server number issue. As for mutations, well, some ideas for mutations are just bad. We can see this with some current ingame ones, like eat to heal, or speed mutations. Could you tune them, sure, but in order to balance them you might as well not have them at all, with how little effect they could give and not cause issues.

[wooden agate]

new content does not always equal good content

[cyan flame]

People are not opposed to new mutations or ideas, people are opposed to specific things that are likely to cause trouble, or be very hard to balance, or in some cases simply unfun.

Like, omni grapple is a cool mechanic, but it's also all kinds of unbalanced. Some mutations are similar, sound cool on paper, isn't neccesarily good in the game.

[fickle cave]

Adding more food sources and dinos in empty areas of the map mean those are now more active locations. Plus the devs have said they are looking into more servers, better servers, with a larger player capacity

So complaining that the map is too big is silly, since they are actively working on filling that problem. i see that complaint 100 times a day!

[cunning shadow]

lol dinosaur should be bigger haha

[cyan flame]

Does it change that the map might currently be too big, if people want to have more encounters? You can spread people out with more locations, but that is only part of the issue anyway.Yes, they might be looking into better servers, but wouldn't that be because of the complaints then? Because people do want more players, granted part of that is probably because there's issues with constantly full servers, but still. It's not silly to complain if you're unhappy with something, as long as you provide good criticism. And same goes for any balance issue, or mutations, or anything else. I'm not sure why you'd think providing feedback would be bad, or silly as you put it.

[cunning shadow]

dinosaur too small lol hahahaha

[fickle cave]

They cant just cut off the map. What do you expect them to do? Put an invisible wall through the middle of the map so you can only play on half?

And Im not complaining about good criticism. I want a discussion on balance and ideas, but people arent doing that, they're just saying "no" with no furthur input

The "silly" part was making the same complaint day after day, after they said they are already working on fixing it

[cyan flame]

I don't expect them to do anything. I expect people to give feedback on things they are happy, or unhappy with, in proper ways. And for the devs to do with that what they want. You're the one that basically went "you people just complain for no reason" in your feedback, and I'm trying to point out that no, people do have reason to provide feedback. And most people I see responding to feedback do explain why they are in favour or not of something.

Be it balance or otherwise, normally people do give a reason why they're for or against something

As for people making the same complaint, to be fair, most people do not keep up with what is said in Islecord, and even so, devs sometimes say one thing and then does the other. It's not always a guarantee things will be as mentioned.

[gentle flint]

I mean and to be fair wouldn’t be the first time an invisible wall has been put up to cut off some parts of the map. Not that that’s what this discussion is really about but XD

[lucid mauve]

Want more encounters? Then they should just quit the game its not for them. Its a survival game, you survive to fight. Not fight to survive.

[limber hull]

aren't you getting it backwards?

shouldn't you be fighting to survive, not surviving to fight?

[lucid mauve]

Maybe dont know lol

I survive to fight i hope

[cyan flame]

That sounds more accurate, yes.

[lucid mauve]

If you want pvp its easy for those who want,just go to middle of map lol

[limber hull]

there exist some mutations which, tuned or not, are still exceptionally unhealthy for the game by their mere concept. Speed mutations are one such example, but this also applies to damage resist buffs, damage buffs, etc

[lucid mauve]

Do we know what cap they going for ? 200 players?

[limber hull]

those suggestions will always not be favoured because said mutations overshadow other mutations that encourage more passive, survival-oriented mutations

[lucid mauve]

I love that mutation where i do more dmg when low on food. Even tho i know its a stupid mutation to add

[midnight stratus]

Sorry guys, but how to build a nest for Hypsilophodon?

[full pewter]

Can you smell sticks on your compass after placing the nest? You press N to place it I think, correct me if I’m wrong it’s been a while

[glacial hill]

hey

[modest gulch]

anyone nesting or planning to nest Deino, PT, Herra, or Omni? on any of the NA servers

[midnight stratus]

Thank you very much, I'll try it tonight

[full pewter]

Ask on evrima-na

[vestal sequoia]

Lag is worse than ever today

[full pewter]

All species take half damage to the tail right?

[limber hull]

to tailtip, 10% damage

to base of tail, around 60%

some exceptions apply (stego takes like, zero damage to tailtip)

[full pewter]

Ah gotcha, this makes sense, thx for the clarification

[full pewter]

Also how does wounds work in game currently again?

[stone river]

Can someone please explain to me how to NOT starve as a Pteran? I have never found turtles, all the rivers are dead, no fish. Am I doing something wrong? Should I look for fish in the forest?

and I already take the mutation that I don't get hungry so quickly. I starve every time

Or is there a trick to make fish spawn?

[lilac bolt]

maybe your just unlucky idk since i can usually find some fish along the rivers

[stone river]

I can't find a single one. I'm so desperate that I try to catch fish everywhere, even if I can't see any

and I play on EU1 and 2, not on the server without AI

[lilac bolt]

and it's not like you're joining no ai servers so that shouldn't be the issue right?

ok nvm lol

uh hmmm

[stone river]

I have even hunted deer out of desperation. Then I don't go hungry, but I don't get any diets, so growth -75

[lilac bolt]

thats just really unlucky then since i can usually find a decent amount of fish while flying down the rivers

there should at least be something somewhere down the rivers

[stone river]

not for me. not a single, ill try again right now

it's so frustrating. ptera used to be so much fun, fishing and everything. but now it's just a starv simulator

im now testing if there are fishes when i playing deino lol

[stone river]

nope, nothing. so ptera is dead for me too. then I'll wait until t-rex or something comes out, although I don't expect it this year

[gentle rampart]

maybe around xmas, the playable in the teaser appears to be a subadult rex

[stone river]

I would be very surprised. Although Dilo and Hera also came last December. Since then unfortunately only Dibble

[gentle rampart]

Im praying for it, allo, or spino, but rex will come before the others. they havent teased much of allo or spino apart from skins on the dev blog basically. Dondi has show a lot of rex work tho so its most likely to be added if any

[stone river]

oh, we already saw something from the rex last year, that doesn't mean anything.

[limber hull]

rex is one of the two most upcoming dinosaurs