general-feedback-discussion

[lyric cosmos]

Yeah, that I 100% agree with. I'm not sure why it locks us out of our first selection either

All right well let me go change my thingy lol

[mellow maple]

The power of healthy discussion and communication

[lyric cosmos]

Hahaha

[mellow maple]

#general-feedback message This is funny but what is the actual suggestion pls

[verbal vine]

i doesen't see migration zone on horde testing playing as herb. is it normal? There was one on south plains then it just dissapeared

[boreal briar]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[rough wind]

Obviously the suggestion is

[ancient zenith]

@elfin hinge Omni already fights back when pinned

[elfin hinge]

ik, but it deals hardly and dmg and people still kill each other often enough

[ancient zenith]

Yeah that’s just a people wanting to kill everything issue

[dense nest]

Genuinely curious - WHY do people seem to dislike when people complain about the stamina nerfs? I can't legitimately fathom how anyone can enjoy playing this game with such unrealistic movement distances.

[clear nymph]

What do I do if The isle says it doesn’t support direct 12x

[barren zephyr]

How are the movement distances unrealistic?

Literally any animal in real life after a supposed chase cannot regenerate its stamina in 50 seconds - 1 minute

It also adds with stamina management, in prior versions you could blow your stamina as much as you wanted with BARELY any consequences following it

[limber hull]

remember before the stamina "nerfs", the total runtime for most animals was sometimes under half of what we have now

pretty much everything runs for longer and rests for longer, which is far more realistic than animals simply sprintbursting over and over again with very little downtime

[barren crater]

You'll eventually be able to play on servers that have altered regen rates btw :)

[tight iron]

some people genuinely prefer this

why? i don't know, i just know they do

[manic ibex]

tbh I think some of the bigger dinos on the roster should keep the stam nerf. But for things like Ptera or Beipi it's ridiculous indeed

[tight iron]

i honestly think that each dino should have a completely different stamina

[manic ibex]

I agree

[tight iron]

pretty sure he calls it unrealistic cause you dont get tired after running 200m

maybe a cera would get a bit tired, but the rest would be able to run for much much longer

and a ptera would probably be able to realistically cross the map 10 times before needing to rest

not to mention that a raptor would run the entire map before being exhausted

from the southern beach to northeast plains

[tight iron]

and with a bit im talking about having 80% stamina left

so i guess that's what he's talking about 🤷‍♂️

[lapis swallow]

@waxen moss the closed stresstest had barely anyone playing

20 players online at once was considered good

hordetest is much more effective, yet more chaotic

[torn cedar]

AI density is too low. Played for 30 minutes on NA 4, as. cerato, not one AI seen.

[dense nest]

Yep this is exactly what I meant thanks!

[tight iron]

np

[tight iron]

servers would die if they were filled with ai

they literally would just explode

[barren zephyr]

No, what, that’s not even realistic at all

[tight iron]

that is absolutely realistic

[barren zephyr]

Give me an animal in real life that can cover that distance without getting tired.

[tight iron]

humans, wolves, zebras, etc

[barren zephyr]

You know there is a difference between sprinting and cantering right? Wolves canter meaning they don’t full sprint, can we canter in evrima, no? So we are full sprinting meaning we are using more energy to get to point A and B. Humans as well, that’s the point of marathons they are not sprinting, they are cantering that’s how they cover long distances. So no, since we can’t canter in evrima and we full sprint the current stamina usages are realistic.

[tight iron]

i am talking about sprinting

not trotting or cantering

[barren zephyr]

Yeah no wolves cannot run that long in full sprint

[tight iron]

how long would the map be in kilometers

[barren zephyr]

idk but you are incorrect saying wolves/zebras/humans can run such distances without getting tired in full sprint.

[tight iron]

i said raptors

[barren zephyr]

But you gave the analogy of humans/wolves/zebras?

[tight iron]

actually nvm you right i also siad all those 3

let's say the map is 5km long

you would be right, nothing can sprint that without falling flat halfway

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[tight iron]

however we cant sprint more than pretty much 500m which is also unrealistic

[limber hull]

whats funny is that wolves/horses (and by extension some of their relatives)/humans are like, the three animals in the world designed for that level of endurance

its otherwise an exceptionally uncommon trait, and most animals spend a great deal of time resting, even after a single sprint

[tight iron]

i agree, however then we should be able to go 20-30 real life days without eating and 3 without drinking

[tight iron]

ive personally sprinted a kilometer and i know friends of mine who can do up to 1.5km

after that prepare for pain

but it is possible

[limber hull]

raptor can sprint 2275 meters in a single sprint

that's over 2 km, a single sprint

[tight iron]

you cant even sprint like half of highlands

no way you can sprint over 2km when highlands itself aint 2km

[limber hull]

oops!

actually, it's 1755m

still, almost 2km, single sprint.

[tight iron]

i still find it strange

cant even do half of highlands which is definetely not close to thtat amount

[limber hull]

46.8km/hr = 13m/s
raptor has 2 minutes and 15 seconds of runtime, or 135 seconds
13 x 135 = 1755

raptor can sprint 1755m

this is excluding buffs relating to speed, stam or otherwise

[tight iron]

the math is mathing, but it doesn't feel correct

eh, whatever

[limber hull]

gallimimus can, without call boosts or any other speed boosts, reach almost up to 4km in a single sprint

with speed boosts, it can easily break that margin

this isn't even including the fact that its trot alone is faster than some creatures sprint lol

[barren zephyr]

I like gallis new trot it’s like you’re running but you aren’t

[tight iron]

same

[limber hull]

galli, teno and troodon are what you use for godlike trots

[tight iron]

specially galli

[limber hull]

galli is nuts lol

ive been saying it for ages, the ultimate human hunter is a galli

its trot alone outspeeds a human sprinting full speed lol

[tight iron]

fr

[limber hull]

good luck headshotting it with any precision firearm too lol

[barren zephyr]

no kidding

[limber hull]

and if it DOES reach you, kicks you, knocks you down, finishes you

i will actually bet that galli players WILL go up with the addition of humans once gallis realise how insanely favoured they are

running doesn't work
vehicles don't work
endurance doesn't work
going in buildings doesn't work unless you can lock the door behind you

you either hide, or you die

[barren zephyr]

Never really understood why they nerfed galli, on release it was really fun to play because you could have wars with omni packs, now you just get pinned by an omni and it’s ggz

[limber hull]

galli on launch was indeed OP, tbh

it was it and cera that were the big winners

except galli got hit way harder than cera tbh

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I think I’ve seen galli groups fight carnos too on release

[limber hull]

oh they actually hunted carnos lol

[bronze matrix]

Lost a carno to a group of gallis with their insane bleed back then lol

[limber hull]

oh the bleed hasnt changed iirc

its EXACTLY the same. Just the stam is that much more costly, and galli is that much more fragile and underplayed

[barren zephyr]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they nerf cerato once Allo releases lol

[limber hull]

idk. allo is weird to me

from what i've seen, it seems like its weakness is as a brawler

more offense than defense

[barren zephyr]

maybe, they called it a “jack of all trades” in the devblog being good at many things, just not one set thing

[limber hull]

those animations look like it doesn't really have very good alt-attacks. A lil allo clawswipe don't seem that threatening

[barren zephyr]

Yea

I think one of them is a three call though considering it leans back a bit

[limber hull]

anyway, i dont think they'd nerf cera, although i think they should find a way to deal with it being such a goddamn hunter lol

[bronze matrix]

they need to redesign its venom bile to achieve that

[limber hull]

Still think cerato's bile should be a long-term, almost disease-like effect over an immediate-response stun

[bronze matrix]

exactly!
they should just model wound infections irl and use them as the cerato bile mechanic
like you get bitten by a cera => you are infected and either need to treat it or you stay to fight and the effect gets worse

[tight iron]

bro 💀

he got the record

[limber hull]

that was before he made his flamebaiting too obvious :(

[bronze matrix]

oh it's the incest guy right

[tight iron]

it's the absolute troll

saw him on youtube telling youtubers that they fell off

gotta give him props for the effort tho

i am an absolute troll but i dont go that far

[limber hull]

anyway, here's how I'd do sceptic bite

once the sceptic bite meter reaches full, you get the following side effects

• once infected, you will vomit. After this, bites will no longer force a vomit
• random vomiting. will continue until the disease is cured. vomits once every 5-10 minutes (cured by finding salt rock)
• no healing. infection just flat out cancels healing until cured (cured by wallowing)

Both symptoms lasts for 10 minutes, increased by 30 seconds for every additional bite the cerato lands after initial infection

It encourages you to bugger off and not deal with the cerato's BS, while not doing stuff like stunlocking a dibble so you get free bites, allowing the dibble to counterattack, for instance

[bronze matrix]

I like it!
how would a cera get the first vomit off? like it does now or different?

[limber hull]

same way

i'd probably also add some kind of... weight restriction to sceptic bite. Like the bigger they are, the less bacteria applied because uh, it's kinda unfair for juvis to be able to apply this to a rex, for instance

[bronze matrix]

yeah that's a given

[limber hull]

but yea, the idea is "don't mess with cera because it will ruin your day" instead of "cerato runs at you and kills you"

[bronze matrix]

what's your opinion on making a general wound infection mechanic? bc i see suggestions like that pop every once in a while

[latent olive]

I’ve never really questioned it, but do you spell septic that way on purpose

[limber hull]

too complex imho

but that's my game design brain talking. i personally strive for simple systems with discoverable complexity, over complex systems that just make it hard for new players to navigate

[limber hull]

no im stupid

[latent olive]

cactus

[bronze matrix]

fair point tho

[limber hull]

i find the game already struggles a bit with complexity, and i think diets very much are one of the biggest problem children in that regard

i think a multi-layered infection system with 5 stages, applicable by all creatures is uh, too much

[bronze matrix]

what if those stages just add up on one single debuff and cause an additional one at the last stage?
like for instance
you get an infection => infection rate goes up over time (you can eat salt rock or wallow to cure)
=> at certain thresholds the locked health regen is capped more and more (such that you can only regen to a certain value if I understand locked health regen correctly)
=> last stage you get some sort of vomit sickness like you suggested

or instead of thresholds the capped locked health regen can be calculated dynamically from the infection rate

[rough scroll]

#general-feedback message galli is faster than an omni, he can escape, he got distracted and was caught, he paid the price, that's how a survival game works

Like, if the galli were slower or the same speed as an omni I would even understand your indignation, but no, the galli runs 10km more than the omni and still has 2x more stamina, simply if a leopard catches an antelope it's the end for him, no matter how sad it is

[limber hull]

okay but it also takes longer to grow than an omni for zero good reason because they nerfed its weight, the only thing that justified it taking longer

i personally don't care if galli can be solo pinned, but the weight nerf still erks me

[rough scroll]

I think a galli being 100% or 70% wouldn't make much difference

[limber hull]

what

[rough scroll]

I say gameplay

[limber hull]

im still lost

[rough scroll]

but I think you should really shorten his growing time

[limber hull]

id rather they just bring back the 510kg weight, given its going to get pinned anyways due to that special exception it has

[rough scroll]

you don't need to grow a galli to 100% to get the animal experience

[limber hull]

yea, but thats not a good thing imho. there's absolutely zero reason to get an adult galli anymore

[rough scroll]

sure

[rough scroll]

maybe

but this change

I don't think it would change that much

[tight iron]

exactly

[torn cedar]

@tight iron not sure if you work in technology, they need to fix the AI period. If the servers can’t handle it then debug the code and increase compute resources. Basic maintenance and KTLO.

[limber hull]

what?

"not sure if you work in tech but they need to fix the AI"
proceeds to talk about things entirely adjacent to fixing the AI

[tight iron]

the servers can't handle it because they intentionally get meh servers

they are capable of getting super servers but that would make community servers useless

cause why would you play in a 150 player server with 50 ping when you can play in a 250 player server with 10 ping?

[limber hull]

that's a bizarrely ridiculous conspiracy theory what

[tight iron]

that is in fact what qa said 💀

[limber hull]

where

[tight iron]

hold on

and much much more

[limber hull]

okay but this is also in the vacuum where the game can legitimately support that many players, it's not just on the servers

and yes, the issue is less "we make them intentionally bad" and more "we don't use a very specific server hosting methodology because it is difficult for community servers to integrate and afford"

[tight iron]

i mean they make them intentionally meh so that community servers don't have to pay horrid amounts of money to be able to exist

[limber hull]

no, that's not it

they're not intentionally meh

they're simply not utilising a unique hosting system, which is sharding

[tight iron]

okay then i guess they dont intentionally not choose to use server sharding

[limber hull]

sharding is difficult to run on anything that isn't a super-rig server. If the game is coded to be based around sharding-style servers, it makes it EXCEPTIONALLY difficult for community servers to even exist in the first place. So it's less "we made them bad because we want you to go to community servers", and instead "we don't use these hosting methods because we want there to be an ability to host a community server at all without lots of money and tech knowledge"

[tight iron]

i never said they said "we made them bad because we want you to go to community servers"

[limber hull]

"the servers can't handle it because they intentionally get meh servers
they are capable of getting super servers but that would make community servers useless
cause why would you play in a 150 player server with 50 ping when you can play in a 250 player server with 10 ping?"

thats effectively exactly what you implied lol

[tight iron]

i said "we could make them crazy good but it would harm community servers too much, so it's not worth it given our vision of how we want things to work in the future"

[tight iron]

they literally intentionally get meh servers tho

like they choose to not get the best configuration possible

that is obvious and that's what im saying

[limber hull]

they're not meh servers tho, they're fine servers, they're just not a specific type of server. Sharding is not the best option all of the time, there's a reason we rarely see shard-type servers

[tight iron]

the best configuration possible would be that mmo with 1000 players and perfect ai but it would make community servers a hell to maintain and even create, which ain't worth it

[limber hull]

they're SPECIFICALLY MMO-type servers

[tight iron]

and that means that they intentionally choose to not get that configuration

... which is what ive been saying the entire time

they could, but they choose not to because they have their reasons

hell, im not even saying "it's a bad thing" or "it's a good thing", im just stating exactly what hyper said

[limber hull]

it COULD be done, but integrating two different types of server structures makes for a nightmare of networking, which is why I assume they just don't. Giving the community their MMO officials alongside the community servers ran on regular servers would be hell to try and micromanage the issues of each structure

plus the very act would be...horrible

[tight iron]

exactly

[limber hull]

because you'd have to teach the game how to recognise two different server structures

and how to interact with each

like THEORETICALLY, it is possible, but really goddamn annoying to do

[leaden cairn]

Within the last 2 days of playing I've had 5 fatal errors at least, and have witnessed at least triple that. Is this normal?

[cedar drum]

Yes

[lapis swallow]

<@&933486433342222376> I heard yall still need to buy the new Elden Ring DLC

[alpine solstice]

hey why omnis on gate way have psitaco on diet ? thers no taco in evrima even no psitaco ai ?

[tight iron]

there will be soon

[alpine solstice]

but ai or playable ?

[limber hull]

AI

[unique mirage]

sooo random spawns are confirmed to be coming back?

[limber hull]

Dondi wants to bring them back, or at least has heavily implied it

here ya go

i think personally its an excellent idea

@queen ember i personally dont like the idea of global group invites, but i like the first idea you had

[unique mirage]

ty, yeah im looking forward to it

[queen ember]

The issue is when you have players who are already ingame and then there are players who are trying to group up but are just spawning. So instead of them immediately being spawned near them, I’d rather them be able to group up just to know where to go, but need to still travel to get there

There would still be name tag distance, just when you are out of it you would have some indication of what direction you need to go to find them

The last thing someone wants to do is to just try to find their friends ingame once spawned in with no way of knowing where to go if they don’t know the map well

[tight iron]

@true dagger you can crash the server like that tho

spam the die command and crash the server

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

One of the dudes who voted for this was against basically the same thing when I posted it lol

Still not a fan of chance-based infections, as well as every animal doing them

It’s also extremely carni-sided, and on top of cera’s existing septic bite, it makes the already strong cera stronger

[bronze matrix]

it would replace ceras septic bite
also it's not carni-sided => "dmg that causes bleed" includes diablo attacks, stego swings, teno kicks, Galli kicks etc

[bronze matrix]

chance based is the only way this would not become too annoying for the player
if every bleeding attack would cause an infection players would just need to rush from one place to another constantly only trying to cure their infections
although infections should promote player activity it should not have them run around constantly

[bronze matrix]

yeah i have some guys that downvote me constantly too
people love to hate lol

[limber hull]

All carnivores, besides ptera, do bleed.

Herbivores, however, far more frequently, have no bleed. Take pachy or anky

[bronze matrix]

they have fractures and that should be enough imho

[limber hull]

Frankly, I find the entire micromanagement of infections from EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY if it’s chance-based? I personally would rather not

[bronze matrix]

it being chance based reduces the amount of micromanagement since it only requires to do it sometimes
also balancing it i could see it being way more forgiving than my post might look like
yeah sure you might get an infection but it might also take maybe 10-20 minutes for the first vomit to set in

also the downside (besides the vomit) of locking your health regen only affects your gameplay if you are constantly trying to fight (which you should not be)

[bronze matrix]

the bleeding damage herbis do is usually combined with a lot of dmg making infections more likely than for instance a troodon or raptor bite

if a raptor or troodon bite cause infections at all depending on the size of their target

[grizzled matrix]

[limber hull]

CHOOSE

[bronze matrix]

what was your post?
I haven't read it so if it seems similar it's a coincidence

[limber hull]

bacteria rework, but for cerato specifically

it adds infection, but as a cerato-only status effect

replacing insta-vomit

[full pewter]

Link?

[limber hull]

#balance-feedback message

[bronze matrix]

oh it's basically the feedback version of what you wrote a few days ago (yesterday ?)
yeah we both have the same goal but the core mechanic is different

[full pewter]

As far as my thinking goes, I think the current system is there to help save Cerato in the moment of a fight. Predicable vomits are helpful but admittedly unrealistic.

[bronze matrix]

I like it although tying vomit to a chance makes it less predictable and might be disadvantageous for the cera

[limber hull]

that's kind of the idea, yes

[full pewter]

Though I like the system you’re proposing, I do think some could find it overwhelming

[limber hull]

because i find on-demand stunlocks deeply uninteresting

especially when some creatures, like pachy, just flat out die in the situation they do end up vomiting

[bronze matrix]

as long as players can not spam the stunlocks I have no problem with them

[limber hull]

which means in the current game, pachy LITERALLY cannot defend itself from cera if its stomach is too low. That is bad

[tight iron]

uh

pachy can run/bonk

[limber hull]

haha run faster mutation

[tight iron]

then it can bonk

[limber hull]

and bonk don't stun, so it's almost a guaranteed trade against any competent cerato, due to the speed of their alt-attack and turn

and in that trade, cerato wins

[tight iron]

nah pachy wins

[bronze matrix]

this i agree with I hate that they tied it to the stomach contents

• makes no sense. Like how does the bile fill up the stomach
• always seemed unfair

[tight iron]

it's a fracture, insta win

[limber hull]

not even lol

[tight iron]

head fracture = insta win, body fracture = insta win, leg fracture = insta win

[bronze matrix]

against pouncers yes
ceras not so much

[limber hull]

cera's high fracture health prevents it from being fractured NEARLY as easily

[tight iron]

oh yeah i know ive fought ceras as a pachy

[limber hull]

a single puke? insta win

[tight iron]

it still is very much possible

[limber hull]

because the puke lasts for like, 3 whole seconds, you can't attack, you can't sprint, you're done

[tight iron]

speed mutation:

[limber hull]

requiring it to survive cera

[tight iron]

(you must get it)

[limber hull]

lol

lmao

i swear pachy is viable guys i swear

[tight iron]

(you aint got a choice you gotta get it 💀)

[tight iron]

why you tryna ridicule me for my words now bruh

[limber hull]

who said i was ridiculing you

[tight iron]

the way you say it makes it obvious

you said pachy aint got a chance against a cera

so i mentioned run/bonk

and then you said that if the cera has the speed mutation and the pachy doesn't, it's game over

it isn't game over but 90% chance you ain't making it alive

so the solution is, until they change/remove this mutation, get it all the time

ez

[limber hull]

okay, the fact of the matter is, mutations aside, stunlock vomit SUCKS and is the primary reason these bastards have been so prominent as of late when it comes to carnivores

diablos, stegos, tenos, pachies, carnos, basically every single larger animal right now gets screwed by this thing. Carnos the least because they can sprint from the thing, but everything else is in a more difficult position

[bronze matrix]

the fact that ceras were able / can (idk if its still possible) to kill a full grown stego using vomit stun locks seems wild to me

[tight iron]

i personally believe that vomit lock is a bit stupid

[limber hull]

i want a dissuasion, not a "hold them in place so I can kill them faster"

i want a status effect that makes you concerned about facing cerato, without you worrying about getting stunned and swarmed

[tight iron]

a stego would swing even while vomiting

[bronze matrix]

as far as i know tho if it vomits before the swing starts the swing does nothing

[limber hull]

the proposed infection status effect is that. It's concerning enough that you go "oh damn, that's scary", while not being an immediate combat tool, actually meaning that cerato's fighting style is "mess you up now, and you'll regret taking the fight no matter if you live or die"

[bronze matrix]

(unless they fixed it)

[tight iron]

im pretty sure it doesn't even swing

[bronze matrix]

then they fixed it I guess
bc mrdbear (or whatever his name is) uploaded a guide about killing stegos with ceras and that was the main reason it worked

[tight iron]

rip

kill stegos with raw damage and prevent them from camping with vomit sickness

thats how i kill em

[limber hull]

i want cerato to be something to not take lightly. Currently, many players either just die to cerato (usually large, slow, sluggish creatures that can be easily abused by the ability to just stay back, then vomit off cooldown), or swarm cera, tank a vomit, then eat the cera's organs to recover everything they lost

what i want for cerato is to flee when big boys come because it'll get stomped, but if you DARE fight it head on, you're stuck with a long-lasting infection that you need to cure if you want to heal off your damage or not puke. In the fight, cerato is a flat brawler, not relying on silly stun gimmicks, out of the fight, even if you escape, it can smell your vomit and track you down for round two

[bronze matrix]

I agree it should have something that complements its tankiness such that the longer the fight goes on the more you are at a disadvantage

[limber hull]

i kinda want it to be less a fight tool and more of a "literally why are you messing with this thing" tool

like, no matter what, the outcome for you is going to be bad when you fight a cera

[barren zephyr]

Damn I guess people do like current cera then

[bronze matrix]

ofc people like cera being able to vomit stun its victims it's a powerful tool

should it have it ... no
do people like it ... yes

[lunar mist]

Sounds really cool, catches the idea of a sceptic bite being a reason why any other creature around cera size would want to avoid it instead of killing it/dying from it

[tight iron]

@west rain kissen explained it pretty well

you gotta avoid them as a small thing

[west rain]

i was a dilo the same size bro

maybe even a bit bigger

[tight iron]

how much did u weigh

[limber hull]

did you read the actual feedback my guy lol

[tight iron]

i actually did

[west rain]

Couldnt tell you the exact weight, but i was taller, so our weights couldnt have been far off

[limber hull]

second sentence was "same size" lol, the rabbit comparison don't work that good

[tight iron]

i know

but if something bigger and stronger than you pins you down, it's game over

[tight iron]

you're faster tho, you could've ran

[west rain]

if it was bigger or stronger, it was marginally

definetely not large enough to hold be down for 10 seconds

and put me down without any counterplay

defeinetly was not faster

[tight iron]

are you playing on hordetesting or main branch

[west rain]

horde

[tight iron]

let me guess you didn't have the photosynthetic tissue mutation

[tight iron]

even something smaller than you can keep you pinned down if it gets to pin you down

[west rain]

this isnt irl

its just terrible to play against

[tight iron]

well you said definetely not large enough to hold you down for 10 seconds so you made the example

and im just saying that if it somehow pins you down, smaller or bigger, you're staying down

[west rain]

no bro thats not how it works

[tight iron]

this one is necessary btw

pick it as the first one cause it will save you all the time

[west rain]

at the minimum you should have an option to buck for a chance to get them off

[tight iron]

might sound stupid but no

[west rain]

why should i be required to take a mutation to play the game

[limber hull]

good question

[tight iron]

if you got pinned it's gg for the raptor for catching you

[cyan flame]

You shouldn't

[tight iron]

cause devs made a mistake there

[west rain]

Its gg, thats the ENTIRe issue, it shoudlnt be gg when a raptor pins me

[tight iron]

it should

[limber hull]

it really shouldn't lol

[tight iron]

if he managed to catch you, he should win

[cyan flame]

As for omni pin, and grapple, part of it could be solved by properly nerfing omni, but that would probably not happen

[limber hull]

so should the same apply for dilo?

or pachy?

[west rain]

if im a rabbit sure no one opposed that, but when we're equal sizes, it absolutely should bnot be, it not only isnt realistic, its unfun and unbalanded. There isnt 1 arguement that isnt just cope if you disagree

[tight iron]

does dilo have a pin mechanic

[limber hull]

no. but he managed to catch you. we'll apply the same rules

[tight iron]

it is realistic, but is unfun, yes

[west rain]

it isnt realistic, you literaly just lying lmfao

[tight iron]

i personally hate being pinned i can guarantee you that

no it is realistic, my black belt in judo and over 3000 fights tell me that it is realistic

[west rain]

this is a dinosaur bro

[tight iron]

ive seen mfers who weight 25kg less than another person pin em down

[limber hull]

its not even realistic. A 50kg guy being pinned by a 60kg guy doesn't just sit there, he does something

[cyan flame]

I think it's a bit funny that people also want to make it so omni can't pin omni, or make it "bad" to do so (despite there already being the counterattack)

[west rain]

Its actually crazy that your comparing a dinosaur to some dude who knows judo

im actually bewildered rn lmfao

[lunar mist]

Are u a dilophosaurus fighting omnis?

[tight iron]

you said it ain't realistic

[cyan flame]

Despite that being just as fair and fine

[tight iron]

so i showed you that it's realistic

[limber hull]

no you didnt what

[tight iron]

and now you tell me that why am i comparing it, cause you said it?

[west rain]

this raptor is not some dude who knows judo

[limber hull]

mate in what universe can you pin a dude slightly lighter than you so that he's helpless

[west rain]

there is no comparison to be made

if we're roughly equal size, theres no world where this guy should be able to pin me for 10 seconds and i cant get him off durring any of it. This raptor isnt a dude with thousands of hours of judo training under some master, its a raptor

[tight iron]

you know a raptor would kill whatever it pinned in like 2 seconds right

[limber hull]

i want you, with your judo belt, to pin someone to the ground who is a small fraction lighter than you and kick them for 10 whole seconds, and tell me that they physically cannot escape. Assume they too have a judo belt.

[tight iron]

stick that claw into it, game over

[limber hull]

not even?

[tight iron]

ive actually done that plenty of times but without the kicking

and he in fact did not have a chance

[limber hull]

add the kicking. tell me how easy it is. because the raptor is constantly kicking

[west rain]

youre just ignoring the main part of what he said

lmao

[tight iron]

which is the main part

[west rain]

the kicking bro

the bucking, thats the whole point

[tight iron]

the raptor pins you down with a claw, sticks it into you and then tears you apart

while biting your neck to keep you there

[west rain]

that isnt what happens though, i dont get pinned and die in 1 second, i sit there and watch my dilo squirm for 10 seconds

[tight iron]

there is no chance anything would escape

[limber hull]

i guess adrenaline just doesn't exist

i guess being effectively the same weightclass doesn't matter

oh wait, that's dumb, of course those things would make it significantly difficult for the raptor to do that

[tight iron]

so if we talking about "is it realistic?" hmm yes it is

[tight iron]

the raptor is full of adrenaline too

[limber hull]

it isn't realistic. it isn't fun.

[west rain]

idk man, i dont think theres any possible explanation for this apart from you being an omni main and you cant stand a broken mechanic being removed. I genuienly cant comprehend any other possibility

[tight iron]

it is realistic, it's not fun

[limber hull]

you know what has more adrenaline? the thing trying not to die

[tight iron]

i hate being pinned so bad that i dont pin anything besides herreras and same size dilos

and when i get pinned im sitting there thinking "wooooo"

[limber hull]

i refuse to genuinely believe you think somehow raptor, with those scrawny-ass arms and constantly moving legs, is holding down something of equal weight that is CONSTANTLY moving and is EXCEPTIONALLY strong, and you think "oh but its raptor so it makes sense"

[west rain]

yeah man idk, im not gonna sit here and argue with someone who clearly has a super super strong bias\

its unproductive asf

[tight iron]

i believe the thing here is that you dont realize how bad the first injury would be

[cyan flame]

Does it really matter if it's entirely realistic, the game isn't all that realistic anyway, and more over, balance and fun should take precedent (not that it does, devs do what they want after all)

[tight iron]

sure, it's raptor so it makes sense

[lunar mist]

While I (dilophosaurus about the same size) would try my best to kick it with my legs, squirming with all my body because I kinda like to live
While raptor doesn't even stay still and is quite unstable using its legs to rip me

[tight iron]

pins you down, sticks a claw into you, that's game over already

[limber hull]

im not going to die because my skin got punctured.

[tight iron]

you will die cause your organs got punctured

[limber hull]

it'll hurt like hell, but its not "game over" lol

[west rain]

the point is that, if you argue realism, it just isnt realistic. Theres no arguement or anything that an equal sized animal shouldnt be able to buck a raptor off over 10 seconds of fighting. On the other hand theres the balance arguement, where it literaly just isnt balanced. theres no facet of this arguement that makes any sense for argueing for the omni

[tight iron]

the severity of that injury would be enough to either kill you or cause you very bad damage

[cyan flame]

I don't think the claw reaches that far honestly

[limber hull]

mate, these are dinosaurs, colossal sacks of flesh, muscle and bone. Raptor ain't getting to the organ first try, these aren't jello bags

[tight iron]

true, you're right here

[limber hull]

it would need to dig into the actual animal to touch the organs

[tight iron]

wouldn't go that far down

[west rain]

i get impaled by dibbled like 5 times before i die, a raptor bite isnt gonna kill me

[cyan flame]

Much less that it'd be instant death, critters can take... quite severe damage and still get up and fight and all

[limber hull]

adrenaline

[tight iron]

i dont understand how it's unbalanced tho, can you explain that one

[cyan flame]

So even if technically that raptor killed the target, it might still be able to fight back and seriously maim or even inflict lethal wounds in return

[west rain]

this has to be ragebait

[tight iron]

no im dead serious

[west rain]

you asking me to explain

[tight iron]

let me show you my pov real quick

[west rain]

how a raptor equal to my size, effectively can instakill me?

[tight iron]

in my pov, if you're smaller than a raptor you have a way to escape unless you're a dryo which is getting a way to escape soon

so you should use that way to escape or die

[west rain]

we're not talking abtou smaller

we're talkiong about equal size

[tight iron]

you have to weigh less than the raptor to be pinned tho

[west rain]

marginal difference in weight should not be the difference between what is effectively and instakill, and a bite

[cyan flame]

But to be fair, it can be 1-2 kg less and that's enough

[tight iron]

0.01 kg is enough for the game

(pretty damn stupid imo)

wait no in fact as long as the raptor weighs the same as the prey or more it's enough

that's why a raptor can pin another

if you see a raptor and you're smaller, run, climb, just try to get away by all means

[barren zephyr]

Are you defending being smaller then the raptor or equivalent in weight

[forest quartz]

@tender latch you are in danger

[barren zephyr]

tbh I agree with the map size maybe being a bit too big but I feel like that’s not really the core problem

[forest quartz]

The core problem is the size/design and the stamina doubling down on each other

with the old stamina system, traveling would be less of a cancer

[tight iron]

im saying that if you can be pinned and you see a raptor, run

[hardy vine]

@forest quartz I like the bigger maps

[tawdry oxide]

#general-feedback message my only issue with this is its already So difficult to start as a hatchling. nesting is a challenge anyway, and then being online at the same time as two other people are nesting is rare, and then they need the luck and skill to bring you food until you're grown enough to be a juvie and start exploring with them

[tardy pawn]

@cursive lotus Staff applications are found in #rules-and-info
Have to start off as a discord mod before going to admin

[fading shadow]

@south grove this is neat but wouldn’t work on actual players cuz the rec parents will just kill the cuckoo baby

[south grove]

@fading shadow But say Alberto and Rex have almost identical hatchlings?

And you can’t deny hatchling gameplay is hell rn. And Alberto really needs something to separate it from all the other carnivores.

[hardy vine]

@charred sphinx you don’t want fatal error to be fixed you want to crash?

[wooden agate]

its not as simple as 'just fixing it'. its entirely possible that its an engine problem rather than a dev problem

[charred sphinx]

its an engine problem, as they have said before

they literally can't "JUST FIX IT!!!!!!"

#isle-discussion message

[charred sphinx]

So yes, of course I would love for it to be fixed, but acting as if that's something they have total control over is bad feedback, which I naturally don't support

[primal thistle]

<@&505047238674874368> i think you guys should be more responsible with your discord server, my friend was falsley banned over a year ago, hes sent like 20 appeals, ive texted you guys like 100 times and you guys seem to not care, my friend plays this game on a daily and cant even communicate with other players

@oblique crown

[limber hull]

bro didnt even ping the discord admins lol

[edgy harbor]

Dm me

[cursive lotus]

You gotta be a discord mod before you can be a server admin? Seems rather backwards...

[tepid river]

Server admins are also discord moderators as well, and we don't immediately want to give powers to someone until we know they're sticking around

[cursive lotus]

@fallen quest on the condition that herras can hold on if they are latched on, plus they can recover stam. else pachys can just camp them indefinitely

[cursive lotus]

if you're making them apply, interview them, make them sign an NDA then you should be able to trust them

else what's the point? i just see that the current system is lacking in admins and that is ruining the experience for a lot of players

a better recruiting system isn't unachieaveble

the only problem is that y'all don't take initiative in doing it

[tepid river]

We'd hope we could, but you can say the same for any other position. All staff start out in the discord, where they don't have much power and if they're a problem, they're yeeted before they have the ability to slay or ban players in game. Whenever more admins are needed in game, discord ones get moved up to that role and we just got more recently

[cursive lotus]

i see 23k people online, and i doubt every single one of them in untrustable

[cursive lotus]

nice!

but in my opinion, discord holds more power than the server. you're able to reach more people, plus you're a representative of the the isle. bad behavior reflects much worse on the isle on discord than in the server, imo

also i feel like everything on the server is logged anyway? you'd be able to find out pretty quick if someone is abusing

[tepid river]

I'm going to disagree tbh. Anything done in the discord itself is easily undoable and on a much smaller scale. A discord mod (not op) could potentially behave badly and do a ton of wild bans or whatever, but that's something easily fixed. A server admin behaving badly could potentially slay every player on the server, change time, teleport people, etc etc.

[tepid river]

Everything in the discord and the servers themselves is logged

And also server admins can see people's steam IDs as well, that's another to keep in mind

[cursive lotus]

What does that mean?

All i can find about it is that it can refer to someones community page, so i'd think that's public info?

[cursive lotus]

I think that there needs to be a second role added to the game itself then, a mod role with lower permissions

[tight iron]

ain't a ton of discord bans 10 times worse than in game bans tho?

[tepid river]

Server admins can see the ID numbers associated with players' accounts themselves, which could be a big issue if someone decided to behave badly with it, one of the reasons being a server admin is a higher responsibility. They're the unique IDs assocaited with the account itself, as steam names aren't unique

[tepid river]

You can submit such in the feedback, but I don't know if such a thing is possible right now myself, or really how it would work if it were the case. The main role of admins is catching and banning exploiters, on top of discord duties, so admins who don't do bans would kind of defeat the purpose

[cursive lotus]

All im finding is that so can anyone else as it's public information

Your steam ID is unique to your account but there's nothing that anyone can do with it

It's like having someone's IP address

But idk, i just feel like being able to slay 99 other people is not that significant compared to being able to ban and vandalize a discord server where 23k other people can see

Imagine a discord mod starts pinging all those people in announcements with inappropriate pictures

Imo, you should apply for server admin first then you can apply for discord mod if you're fit to interact with so many people

[tepid river]

Yeah, that's something that was thought of already, and why they can't do that.

[cursive lotus]

xD 3 steps ahead

[limber hull]

discord bans are a lot more undoable, since you can track who banned who through logs and their reasons

steamID bans are just kind of bans

[tight iron]

gotta dm all of em and invite em back again tho

[limber hull]

sure, but you can't do that at all with steam. they just think they're banned for good

[tight iron]

and then the aftermath of everyone being visibly angry

[tight iron]

only a server ban tho, they'd join another

[limber hull]

official bans are universal for all officials iirc

[tight iron]

i don't think they are, seen people claim to be banned from one official server for "unauthorized use of 3rd party programs"

[limber hull]

official server admins also can:

• instagrow or degrow their own or other dinos
• teleport to players instantly
• see players through walls
• modify hunger and thirst of players
• instaheal themselves
• change the time/weather
• kick/ban people instantly
• disable entire creatures from being playable

they can do a LOT more damage to the game experience than a few discord bans

[tight iron]

yep, i agree that they could go crazy, but, in my opinion, banning hundreds of people from teh discord is worse than all of those things combined

[limber hull]

you could also ban hundreds of people from officials lol

its equally easy

in fact, it's harder to react to

[tight iron]

i know, but there's a limit of a few hundred

whereas you can ban even thousands from here

[limber hull]

they can leave one ruined server and join another

[tight iron]

thats what im sayin

you will run out of players to ban really soon

however in the discord you can just ban and ban and ban and ban with no stop

might only get to ban 20 people or 5200, who knows

[limber hull]

pretty much impossible tbh. much easier to react to here because of logs being constantly active, and most people having way easier time reporting that than in-game bans

absolutely, the official server admin needs to be far more trusted

especially given the fact that discord admins are forced to go through a whole trial period where they have more limited power, so they can't just ban people

[tight iron]

the thing here is

you take around a year to be given the chance to become an osa

[limber hull]

official admins have no such restrictions, they IMMEDIATELY have all of those powers upon being admin

yea, for very good reason lol

[tight iron]

some say no, some say yes, etc, you know how it works

so let's say you recruit 6 new mods

will all of them pass the trial period? yeah probably

will all of them become discord admins? maybe

will all of them become osas? not at all

i can't really get an estimate of how many will, but it's way easier to make two different paths (discord and in game) than just force the ones that want to moderate the game to spend over a year moderating the discord to have a chance

[limber hull]

you really cant make those paths tho

[tight iron]

you can 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

because the moment they have that power, they can IMMEDIATELY exploit everything

discord admin you can control their permissions

[tight iron]

so can devs for example

[limber hull]

that's why discord operator exists

[tight iron]

they could be hired and obliterate the code

[tepid river]

Again, all official server admins are also discord admins. They have to start there for a reason

[limber hull]

yea, but they're risking their entire livelihood, plus, no they can't

[tight iron]

im aware, that's what im saying

[limber hull]

version control exists for a reason. there's no way to obliterate the code

[tight iron]

my point is that i don't understand why you need to spend over a year moderating the discord to get a chance to moderate the game

[limber hull]

any developer who tries it in this modern age of programming is a fool

[tight iron]

and then you have to moderate both

[limber hull]

again, you can get a basic idea of the candidate's potential and personality in a safe, controlled environment with things like discord operator

giving them OSA out the gate is kinda giving a chimp a gun and hoping it doesn't have evil intentions

[tight iron]

i mean sure, i just don't believe it's worth it

could create two different "paths" yknow with different trials and stuff

[limber hull]

i'd rather give a gun to a police officer than some random bloke lol

[tight iron]

you wanna be a discord mod? alr sure but you gotta do these things
you wanna be an osa? alr sure but you gotta do these other things

[limber hull]

again, you can't, because the "trial" admin will have just as much power as the regular official server admin

[tight iron]

just as they created the admin panel, they can create another

different permissions, etc

[cursive lotus]

thats a pretty arbitrary number ngl... even most real life jobs dont have that long of an "internship"

should be 3 months max

[tight iron]

true true

[tight iron]

saves time and gives more chances in my opinion

[cursive lotus]

agreed

and engages the community a little bit more, which i find that the isle really needs

[tight iron]

cause, yknow, certain people would like to help out with the game but don't have the energy or willpower to spend over a year moderating the discord, then get to moderate the game, but still have to moderate the discord

it's a bit overcomplicated

[cursive lotus]

if we just get stricter intake requirements, then i dont think trust would be a problem. of course you dont hire someone off the street, but i guarantee theres a lot of players with good intentions

[limber hull]

@dry falcon auras?

[dry falcon]

I think I spelt it wrong

[unique mirage]

oros?

[dry falcon]

auroras

[unique mirage]

oh xd

[barren zephyr]

mr indomisaurus (jurassic earth) what do you think of this?

#general-feedback message

[cursive lotus]

@hollow crown so once the hexagon starts depleting, will the buffs also decrease? i guess that could be a nice incentive to get players to keep their diet as high as possible, but i think decreasing the depletion rate is necessary then

[unique mirage]

have the % buffs until you activate it and then it gives the 100% until it runs out, like it does right now

[cursive lotus]

ok, that sounds good

[indigo gulch]

I think that would kind of kill the whole point of that update

but yeah having it 50% buff sounds nice, currently have a 80% diet that does nothing but ruin my perfect diet chances

[limber hull]

i think its good, but the issue with "boosting NV through mutations" is that it's ironically EXCEPTIONALLY hard to do as any of the actual nocturnals lol

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

allo ain't releasing onto this hordetest lol, also idk what allo has to do with the hackers lmao

also disconnecting for high ping seems a lil cruel

especially when this hordetest in particular is lacking a lot of regions, like AU or SA

[hollow crown]

Not a bad idea for example. We just need a better system, there are many ideas that can work. the system we have now just doesen't make much sense, how do you go from 99% diet 0 benefits to 100% all the benefits. I also think this game should be harder by having a high skill gap and not harder in getting food, since that doesen't require skill at all. It is just an anoying thing to do atm bec the system makes it anoying

[cursive lotus]

@ruby sierra i think that's the point, since the mutation negates the damage only. i think you should still fall over if you jump from bone breaking height. i did experience a weird bug where my herra would bounce sometimes lol

[ruby sierra]

I don't think that's the point when you're guaranteed dead even if you hit the pounce and the pounced dino can get up faster and kill you before you can even move. This is how it used to be from all the heights at first but it got removed soon after

[cursive lotus]

Dunno what you're pouncing that isn't dying from a height where you'd take damage yourself, but if they're not dying, probably not meant to be able to kill then. I think there's a reason why herras don't have unlimited pounce range

herras are a gamble, if you miss that's on you but you shouldn't have a million ways to get away

[ruby sierra]

but I didn't jump so high that I would take damage nor break my legs

[cursive lotus]

because you had the enlarged meniscus, you only fall over if you're in bone breaking height afaik

not sure how it's 100% but i think there's a chance to fracture once you reach bone breaking height but you always take damage unless you got the enlarged meniscus

[ruby sierra]

but the bone breaking range got increased as well. The icon doesn't show bone break from those heights if you have the mutation

[cursive lotus]

it doesn't show the actual bone break range or it doesn't show it at all? i usually run enlarged meniscus and always see the bone icon

so i think that it's the start of the bone breaking range + 15% more before i start taking damage

[ruby sierra]

it shows the icon if you go too high, 15% higher than without the mutation

[cursive lotus]

so works as intended then. i dont see a reason why you shouldn't fall over in that 15% overshoot

from my point of view, you should be able to kill anything that you land on that you're meant to be able to kill from that height. others can capitalize on that fall and kill you, so that sucks a bit

maybe you can increase herras jump range and make the falling over duration based on height, so you'd get up super quick from a long fall but you'd get up slower from an even longer fall

[fading shadow]

yeah but the parent would know they didnt accept an egg invite and i wouldnt really say there is any hatchline game play it only lasts like 10 mins

[ruby sierra]

if that's intended then you're better off not using it because then you don't know whether the jump knocks you down or not. Without the mutation you do know

[limber hull]

@tall hearth #general-feedback message

New day new based as hell mutation list

[tall hearth]

I appreciate the compliment there

I dialed back on the ideas for earning them for the most part since that's not what matters here.

[blissful forge]

@tall hearth i love your mutation ideas except the last one, it may encourage mixpacking which is a huge issue right now and there's no penalty to it

[limber hull]

Seems like a herbivore exclusive thing for just forming nursery herds, which don't seem that threatening lol

[tall hearth]

I believe the devs have said they've been thinking about similar species groups like that before. I figured it could just easily be a mutation instead of a mechanic everyone just has from the beginning.

I used abelisaurs as an example though cause carno and rugops are the only two on the roster, and since carno is expected to be a small game hunter anyways it wouldn't hurt to theoretically be able to pair with a player the size of small game to aid in small game hunts, but of course if players or devs don't like that idea then it can be for only other herbivores or just scrapped.

[blissful forge]

Fair enough, it’d be cool for herds

[sudden shell]

i like your mutation stuff, some of those would be really fun

[tall hearth]

Thank you!

[tight iron]

@eternal moss it already is

takes way less time to get it back sittin

[sudden shell]

i think he meant that if you sit for a while you get a greater boost

[eternal moss]

ok ty

[eternal moss]

no not like that.

you should get more and more buff for the amount of time ur sitting

every 1 min get maybe a .25x boost, and it just keeps adding up

[tight iron]

oh yeah already a thing as well

the more time spent sitting, the faster it regens

[eternal moss]

ok

[tight iron]

(that's why it's awful)

[proud coral]

Not all that bad. Just gotta not exhaust yourself is all

[tight iron]

it's not just that

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message i would personally give it thermal vision but move slowly

[barren zephyr]

does anyone know how to make time slow down in the horde testing? its going really fast and idk how to stop it

[hidden mist]

Why is omni pounce so busted tho... One sub-adult was pouncing me for 3 seconds and I bled out down to 83% as an adult teno with only 4 consecutive bites from its pack after it, huh?

[tight iron]

that is not busted

that is the way it should be, tenos have bad bleed

[cyan flame]

They do?

Thought they had rather normal bleed

[barren zephyr]

Tenos have normal bleed i think yea

[tight iron]

im sure they do have bad-mediocre bleed

pretty fast kills

[wooden agate]

sounds like the omni is doing exactly what its meant to ngl

[limber hull]

they have literally regular bleed lol

it doesn't have bleed resist, but most animals don't

[hidden mist]

If it was an adult omni, I would understand it to some extent, but that omni looked like it weighed 250 kgs. I thought we got rid of tap pounces.

I need further tests actually. Maybe I mixed something up, it’s hard to keep track of things mid-fight. I’ll probably try to replicate the fight on a free admin server when Horde Test ends.

[south grove]

Yeah given how nesting currently works, it causes a lot of issues. What if when selecting a nest to spawn in you get to chose between the host, and the parasite. That way, the parent only knows it’s accepting an invite, not that there’s a random extra hatchling in its nest.

Thanks for all the feedback btw.

[dry falcon]

those claws get sharp fast

but also, teno has a pretty solid back as well

[full pewter]

@frail prawn While I do agree that troodons growth should be shortened anyway, its situation currently is not as bad as you might think. You still get venom about 20-30 min of growth last I checked, which is about the same as it’s always been. And no matter how large you are, once you’re venomous, you’re useful

[frail prawn]

Doesnt change the fact that barely anyone is playing it because everything around its time is better no matter what, at the end of the day troodon needs numbers to be worth its salt and if no one is willing to play it then it'll always be overshadowed, lowering its growth would entice more people to want to attempt it and reap the rewards a lot better from their hard work, because its still a heavily team based pack class that requires the bare minimum of mistakes even against things slightly above its weight.

[full pewter]

I’d revert the growth just to entice more people to play it. I don’t think a lot of people even know that it gets venom at the same time as before. Even with its tank buffs it’s still basically one shot, which was honestly fine imo cause of how easy it was to grow

Overall I’d reduce grow times we have now, anything dryo and smaller shouldn’t take more than an hour to grow

[frail prawn]

I also find it slightly fair on behalf of troodon for most of its death may not always be the players fault, this game has always struggled with performance and its doing no favors for a class that cant risk being even hit once.

[full pewter]

That’s a performance issue, not a troodon issue. Also with the buff it makes troodon technically bulkier than beipi, which it has no business being imo

[frail prawn]

Ya but catching a beipi on land is all down to being in the right place at the right moment, Beipi may need a buff but those two always encountering each other is not always a thing, and ya its a performance issue, all the more reason no one is going to throw a hour into something like troodon.

[full pewter]

It’s a concept thing, Beipi is always depicted being able to defend itself from troodon, which it can’t do adequately anymore

[frail prawn]

I like troodon but I'll never throw a hour into it regardless of the changes that they make to it because it'll always be a one tap class that requires a extremely large group to be worth anything unless you're resorting to being nothing but solo scavenger.

[frail prawn]

I'm not worried near as much for Beipi as much as how bad Rugops will shelve troodon in terms of player count simply because once again it'll probably be able to tank more blows and still have better time for its growth.

Troodon needs to be able to throw numbers at something to be threatening, if its incapable of doing that then its not going to survive the wave of future playables.

[full pewter]

How will rugops shelve troodon specifically? If anything that’s what Omni is doing rn

[frail prawn]

Ya, Omni is already doing a fine job of it, but rugops is basically like a small carno and still tank more blows then troodon. Who'll think be better choosen? This is why I believe troodon needs that growth nerf or it'll be even more overshadowed.

[cyan flame]

Maybe things will change with humans being introduced, might give troodons things to do that larger critters can't

[frail prawn]

This is true, but once again there'll be classes that'll still be better suited for that, like Herrera, that can climb the human walls and still tank probably being punched/kicked a few times lol.

And depending on how oppressive humans truly are I think most people might still lean more towards Dinosaurs.

[full pewter]

I doubt rugops would be nearly as useful at taking down large dinosaurs as a troodon pack would

Highly doubt rugops would mess with anything larger than itself at all

[frail prawn]

This is true, but you dont see many people even trying that because no one wants to lose a hour growth to a one shot, most would still target smaller things but still risk being one shot.

[urban flax]

Nice argument, however
#general-feedback message

[full pewter]

Idk I like the idea of humans as long as they’re implemented correctly, such as no long range weapons

But I like the idea of hunting humans as a rugops or Omni more than actually playing them lol

[frail prawn]

I'm just thinking about player mindset, and most gravitate to the path of lest resistence, that's why they'd rather play a hour worth of Omni or whatever and tank a few blows, then a hour Troodon and probably die on the first contact of something, this is why I dont think a class like troodon will thrive in the future of The isle unless it gets a growth nerf, I've witness myself how difficult it is to convince people to play it.

[full pewter]

We also gotta remember that growth will take a whole new meaning with elders. Now growth will be about surviving as long as possible instead of just getting to adult. Cause iirc, you get rewards if you reach elder?

[frail prawn]

Do you really think even a elder troodon is going to survive more then 2 or 3 bites at best and thats cutting it.

[urban flax]

Well too bad, look at the upvote/downvote ratio

Wait

Well I'm out

[frail prawn]

Lets be real here, unless you play the best troodon in your life your survival rate is still low with every fight you throw yourself into.

That's why it needs to recover numbers fast/grow fast or it simply wont do.

[full pewter]

Whenever people bring up that argument I show them this, which I made before dilo released. Nowadays I think everyone agrees Dilo should be weak to bleed for balance sake

[frail prawn]

Also forgive me for stumbling on words, I'm tired as heck lol, I need to go back and correct grammar issue or hic ups. I meant Elder lol.

[cyan flame]

True, but troodon is smaller, so more places for it to go, and it might be more effective, with the whole pouncing and mobbing things, whereas a herrera might be somewhat more limited (depending on the weapons humans get too, larger target, easier to shoot)

[full pewter]

Troodons are very hard to shoot at in first person, they’re small and fast. Honestly human players are gonna hate troodons

[cyan flame]

Maybe not, but you'll have an easier time getting all your mutations and all that perhaps, with easier growth and life, and so on, so that might be a point in troodons favour.

[frail prawn]

Yes, but you also risk losing it with whatever you decide to hunt because it'll always most likely be a one tap with anything punching over its weight.

So no matter what you'll have to play the best dang troodon in your life and that's why it might be the most skilled based one, but no one is willing to throw their hat in the ring because of its growth.

[icy fiber]

i know that fatal errors occur more often for some dinos

like my carno goes 30 minutes to an hour with fatal errors, but my deino can go several hours without one

[red yacht]

whats everyones opinion on goat being on omnis diet as its would be a very beneficial food source for raptors

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message I died to this just earlier. The game hitched when I hit spacebar and didn't register the input

[ember flax]

@civic torrent

Carno is awful way worst than cera

They both have there different niche but overall cerato is way better than carno

[mortal parrot]

@civic torrent
Cerato is meant to be a scavenger and a corpse bully, it wasn't made with the intention of hunting like that of Carno and Omni but to instead is intended to steal corpses from other dinos and use the vomit ability to make them rot faster so they can claim the body for themselves and the chuffing is to give anything you are stealing the corpse from a harder time

[swift stone]

Bringing The Isle to console platforms would greatly expand its player base, fostering a larger and more diverse community. Console gamers often seek immersive and unique experiences, and The Isle's dynamic ecosystems and intense survival gameplay would offer them just that. Additionally, the inclusion of consoles would increase visibility and revenue, allowing for more frequent updates and continued development. With the growing trend of cross-platform play, adding The Isle to consoles would also enhance community interaction and player engagement, creating a richer and more vibrant game world.

[barren zephyr]

you used ChatGPT didn’t ya?

[full pewter]

@leaden plinth I hate to go the accurate route but this is represented in game. Pterosaurs couldn’t hang like bats. Their feet couldn’t grasp like bats or birds. In fact pterosaur feet have more in common with human feet than anything. They’re plantigrade for one, meaning they walk on their heels. And all their toes are tiny and at the front of the foot. In short, they were used for walking and not much else. And again, this is represented with the in game ptera

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
AI-generated feedback

Too bad there is still no rule against this

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

AI-dinosaur feedback

Too bad there is still no rule against this

[wooden agate]

@undone reef its possible the fatal error issue is due to an engine issue rather than a game issue, and they can not make it so you instalog when you crash

#general-feedback message

[undone reef]

But it only happens when Herra's are around. Is it possible to still be an engine issue? Just wondering

[wooden agate]

yes

[undone reef]

Noted

[wooden agate]

and its not only herreras that cause it, it can just sorta happen sometimes

its likely to be sound related (hence why its called the sound glitch due to audio cutting out/stuttering before)

hence why herreras (which make noise during every movement of theirs) seem to get it worse than others

but its also common in cera's and stegos now apparently

(chuffing, tail raise sound)

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

This... doesn't make Troodon viable lol. 1% stam per bite can be undone by 4-5 seconds of trotting/walking/standing. 2% stam can be undone within 8-9 seconds of the same.

The grapple has no functional value for Troodon beyond exceptional tiny hunts, in which case, the venom's sheer damage output is far more viable, as it literally nukes most tinies in 2-3 pounces, completely invalidating any need for grapple, and going against Troodon's hop-on/hop-off hunting style.

[restive fjord]

If grapple for troodon is not a thing, why was I able to pin omni with adolescent patterns? Pin is based on weight, not HP, right?

[limber hull]

weight, yes

that means the omni was below 60kg

pin is a thing, grapple is not

[restive fjord]

that omni WAS above 100 kg for sure. Adolescent patterns

[limber hull]

odd, because Troo absolutely cannot pin above 60

either omni's model has some odd scaling, or there's something else afoot

[restive fjord]

This happened and I was actually scared because there was another bigger raptor and I was sure this will result in latch rather than pin, so I released and dipped.

[ember flax]

cant 2 troodons pin a omni below 20% stam

[limber hull]

i'm pretty certain they don't have grapple

and if they do, that's probably not intended

[ember flax]

they do i remember pinning a juvie tenonto as a troodon with a help of another omni it was very random but yeah

[limber hull]

another omni?

[ember flax]

and juvie tenonto is like 80kg

[limber hull]

that may be a bug needed to be investigated, because Troodon is not meant to be a grappler

did the Troodon have a unique "grappling" animation like omni's? I'd like to know more

[restive fjord]

But the game is filled with things like this all the time. I was killing AI with venom as dilo out of pure fun and then after some patches, all of a sudden I read patch notes with "able to use venom on AI". Or fishing with croc and then "attacking schooling fish now works on deinosuchus". And no, that pin was like a standard troodon pin. Kicking like a cat on side.

[ember flax]

No im pretty sure it didnt also i wasnt even fg i was like fresh spawn aswell

[limber hull]

were you working with an omni?

it'd be interesting if omnis actually counted Troodons as a fellow pouncer in the equation

[ember flax]

I was a fresh spawn in south plains i wasnt trying to work with it just trying to get food y'know

[limber hull]

oh wow, it may actually be because of the omni

you pouncing it meant that the "you require two pouncers to grapple" activated, which meant the teno could be grappled by the omni

even though your weight was tiny, it could do the calculations and grapple the teno

that's super interesting lmao

[ember flax]

I think its cause the minimum is 2 omnis to pin but this 1 omni reached the weight to just flat out pin it but couldnt till i hopped on we were able to pin it

[ember flax]

Yeah

[restive fjord]

I was able to do that alone on most likely out of stam omni too.

Not sure what build it was tho

[bronze matrix]

@limber hull love the Photovictus suggestion
has a lot of South Scrimshaw vibes with all the symbiosis between animal and plant

[limber hull]

thanks lol

i actually haven't ever seen anything like that, sounds cool tho

[bronze matrix]

just the thought of playing a slow ass anky with a mini ecosystem on its back
maybe with a hive of sanctuary bees ontop of it providing a mobile sanctuary for juvis
i want to play this now :D

[limber hull]

like that one pokemon lol

torterra, i think it was

[indigo gulch]

Correct, that’s the one

[limber hull]

@urban flax #general-feedback message

oh my god

this one is the most egregious lol

[latent olive]

he didnt even

he didnt even edit it jesus christ

infact he reached the character limit of discord

[limber hull]

why is it formatted like a resume

[latent olive]

i assume the AI learned from resumes and cover letters

[limber hull]

did he seriously ask ChatGPT to "write a letter to get The Isle to add console support"

[urban flax]

Bruh he didn't even remove the bot's response part

That's a troll

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message LMAO

[formal onyx]

@verbal bone #general-feedback message there are free admin servers like Norden that revolve around pvp practice and being able to test other features

I do agree that there should be something like sandbox servers to practice too

[glad timber]

average ChadGPT user

[verbal bone]

Oh cool! ❤️ Thank you for letting me know! 😊 That will come in handy!

[crystal trail]

@signal thistle Showing the names of banned players sounds like a good idea in theory, until you realise that a lot of cheaters are rage hackers, I.E they don't care if they get banned and are simply looking to grief other players. A lot of the time they have their Steam names set to things like slurs and other vulgar words. Definitely not something we'd want popping up at the top of players screens like in games like Rainbow Six.

[valid delta]

This is a great point. What about an update that simply tells the number of players banned since the last update then?

[icy lion]

If that number is ever lower than the previous (even when counting for update time) I can foresee a lot of harassment directed towards the devs and admins

[valid delta]

To be fair though, they seem to get that either way.

[icy lion]

Which is why it doesn't need to get worse

[valid delta]

I guess I just don't agree that it would automatically be worse then.

[valid delta]

#general-feedback message

I think this would also be useful for making the mz go to parts of the map that are rarely used. By giving people the ability to travel around and explore more, without starving, it would be easier to now add mz to areas like the far NW or SE of the map where currently no one goes.

[formal onyx]

#general-feedback message
I don't think that the food should be randomly spawned or else the herbivore gameplay loop will revert back to the early diet system on Spiro. This means that gaining and maintaining three different diets during the no migration zone period is up to luck and whether or not other herbivores have already eaten the food near you. Instead, plants should spawn in areas that make sense (hints given in game, like pumpkins plains, bananas jungles etc) so herbivores have a direction of where to go and they're not maniacally running around trying to stop their diets from depleting. This helps with herds as well, because one herbivore may be able to sustain themselves off of spread out random spawns, but herds cannot survive. When it was like this on Spiro, you could fully expect to be killed by other herbivores who wanted less competition

[tight iron]

now you get killed by other herbis for fun tho

[formal onyx]

if you played during the early diet era then you'd know that being killed by another herbivore happened way more back then than it already does now

[tight iron]

yeah i know, im just sayin

also rn you always get killed by herbis

[formal onyx]

yea u cant ever fully stop that unless you play on a rules server

[icy fiber]

i think the only area that is justified to be a continued hotspot is the swamps; there is a lot of open space that deinos cannot touch but having herbis roaming around for food will force carnis to move around which will greatly help the crisis deinos face currently which is every adult deino has to canni

[tight iron]

at least from my own experience, they will always kill me

[formal onyx]

not in my experience

[tight iron]

that's why im always solo

[formal onyx]

unlucky man

[tight iron]

i literally die less to carnis as a carni than herbis as a herbi

[formal onyx]

honestly herbivores are better at killing other herbivores than carnivores

[tight iron]

yes

[formal onyx]

idk for which herbivores but for beipis at least

#general-feedback message @mental pulsar carno needs a buff. Teno is in a great spot. Your suggested changes would turn teno into fodder.

[limber hull]

carno aint even meant to be ambush lol

[tight iron]

ngl

carno is a great ambusher

[limber hull]

compared to most of the roster? lol no

carno is planned to get buffs, but not against teno. Dondi has made it clear it's going to be a small game hunting bullet train

herrera, deino, omni are all better ambushers than carno

PACHY is a better ambusher than carno

[formal onyx]

everything is a good ambusher with the right set up.

[limber hull]

also the solution to CARNO sucking is to nerf the hell out of teno?

why not just fix the fact carno sucks, rather than dragging teno down to carno's awful level

[tight iron]

fast as heck and can begin the fight with a crap load of damage

[tight iron]

uh yeah it's probably the best ambusher

dont mind my wifi going away

[limber hull]

that's just wrong lol

[tight iron]

in fact its playstyle quite literally revolves around ambushing so

[limber hull]

deino and herrera far exceed it in the actual ambush

[tight iron]

alr cant compete against that

[formal onyx]

Duh anything that can hide out of site will ambush better, but carno is superior because it can actively pursue you wherever you are

[limber hull]

that's... a pursuit predator lol

[tight iron]

thing is tho, i'd even say that carno is as good as herrera at ambushing

[mental pulsar]

tenonto can fight pretty much every carnivore in the game right now with little to no issue (besides deino)

[limber hull]

aka, what carno is. It's meant to be a pursuit predator

[formal onyx]

i meant fight you anywhere

herrera is tied to trees and crocs to water

[tight iron]

only because herrera has lots of places that are no no zones

[mental pulsar]

carno is teno's only counterplay, but even then carno gets bodied

[limber hull]

carno is plains

[tight iron]

hide somewhere, locate prey, approach prey, run at it, tap ram, begin pursuit

[limber hull]

it sucks in the dense foliage because charge requiires you to consistently be moving in a straight line, which is very tough with many obstacles like trees in the way, or water, or like, any obstacle

[formal onyx]

the majority of the map is land, and carno still has a chance to end a fight in trees

[limber hull]

so you see a prey item, pursue the prey item and attack it? Given the fact that "hiding" is kinda optional here, I'd still argue not a ambush hunter

[formal onyx]

its not a complete "oh the fight is over" when someone runs in the trees

[tight iron]

nah carno needs open spaces

[limber hull]

the only "ambushy" thing about carno is that stam drain on ram

[formal onyx]

Yeah, but it still sets it above deino and herrera which are much easier to avoid

[tight iron]

me personally, when im playing carno, i see something that i can easily kill, i approach it without being seen, and then tap ram its face and give chase

[mental pulsar]

which should not exist if they are gonna give it a cooldown

[tight iron]

ive seen extremely good carno players do that, which is where i got it from

[limber hull]

carno is EXCEPTIONALLY easy to avoid lol. It grunts whenever it charges, its got loud-ass footsteps and has to run in a straight line at you

[tight iron]

so that being said, i'd argue that it's one of the best ambushers thanks to speed and the tap ram damage

[formal onyx]

those are things the devs should change because carno is so loud for no reason. cerato the bully carnivore is quieter when its not near a billion bodies

[mental pulsar]

i disagree, carno cant really ambush anything rn because of how damn LOUD he is

[tight iron]

funnily enough, most people have a reaction time of a sleeping elephant

[limber hull]

actually, the overtuned damage also makes it "ambush", but the damage is overtuned and should be redesigned to befit carno's "runner pursuit" playstyle, because we really don't need ambush carno to exist when allo is a literal bigger, better "ambush-based, speedy plains predator"

let carno be pursuit

[tight iron]

takes them 5 seconds to realize they're gonna die

[limber hull]

devs should keep it loud, because it shouldn't be ambush, it should be pursuit

its a literal bullet train plains hunter, let it sprint around plains freely

im not playing carno for bush sim

let allo be bush sim

[mental pulsar]

but carno cant really pursue anything rn because his turn is WAY too slow

[formal onyx]

how much stamina do you think carno should have? If it's buffed too much, then its immortal from everything except a deino ambush or other canni carnos

[limber hull]

i think the speed makes up for it, but i do agree it needs help in the pursuit department

[limber hull]

well atm, it has approximately the same amount as cera, which is fine

[mental pulsar]

yeah, allo should be ambush, carno should be running things down like a cheetah

[limber hull]

cheetah is ambush lol

[formal onyx]

i think carno should have a better turn radius and the cooldown reduced on its bite because it makes it so much harder hunting stuff

[mental pulsar]

so is carno

rn anyways

[formal onyx]

as in small juking animals

[mental pulsar]

carno SUCKS at ambushing, but thats the only thing he can even do ingame currently

[limber hull]

carno should be a creature thats hard to shake as long as you remain in the open

[mental pulsar]

yeah, somewhat like in legacy

[limber hull]

constantly keeping up with you

[limber hull]

legacy carno is the one situation where i think legacy did the playstyle better

[formal onyx]

ceratos and utahs are pretty good against teno if they're decent at the game

[limber hull]

^

[formal onyx]

carno was great until the charge got nerfed,but that should be improved soon

[tight iron]

raptors and ceras annihilate them

[limber hull]

teno has a lot of unnecessary weaknesses still, like the most CLUNKY cooldown on tailslam knwon to man

[mental pulsar]

ceratos get melted unless in a pack, but utahs are decent against them. the trouble is FINDING packs

[limber hull]

you get locked out of every attack for even daring to slam

[formal onyx]

I still have no idea why this happened.. Kick is the best attack anyways

tail slam is a waste of stamina most times anyways

[formal onyx]

A good cerato stands a great chance against a teno

[limber hull]

ceras can and do win 1v1s

[tight iron]

good ceras will pretty much always win

[formal onyx]

you've basically won the fight after the teno pukes

[mental pulsar]

against a bad teno. and most teno players have the brain the size of a teaspoon. some are good though. and the ones that are good rinse ceratos in combat

[tight iron]

unless you against a crazy good teno

[tight iron]

no not really

[formal onyx]

even a good teno has a rough time with a good cera

[tight iron]

a good teno can easily get obliterated by a good cera

[formal onyx]

I suggest testing match ups on an admin server against good players

[mental pulsar]

maybe im just bad at cerato then 💀

[tight iron]

im guessing that's the case

[formal onyx]

cerato v teno is hard to learn, but when you get good you're set 👍

[tight iron]

try baiting slams

teno players love slams

good teno players know that using slam is a bad idea

[mental pulsar]

yeah, im bad at fighting tenontos as cerato. which is weird because im not terrible at fighting stegos. i guess its just the different playstyles

[tight iron]

yus

[formal onyx]

i always wonder why when I play carno. The bad tenos spam tail slam and get locked out of fighting back while i just calmly face tank

[tight iron]

they wanna knock you down and kick you, landing kicks requires too much precision if the boi ain't down already

[formal onyx]

I can see it being a good combination against utahs, but carno is pretty fat enough to warrant a kick

[mental pulsar]

also, is it just me? or is dilo completely useless solo?

[tight iron]

not anymore

cant kill hallucinations anymore

even if you hit them, they'll nibble you

[barren zephyr]

Dilo is useless solo what lol

[tight iron]

uh no not really

[mental pulsar]

oh i guess im bad at dilo as well lmao

also im 100% that tenonto needs a nerf. i tried to fight one as a cerato and got half of my health siphoned from my body from one kick

[hidden mist]

It doesn't need one. Cerato is a scavenger, not a hunter. And even a kick to the head wouldn't take anything more than 400 hp from you, so it's not half, 34%.

You can melt teno in 4 good charged bites, it can melt you in 4 good kicks. All even

[manic ibex]

What's the gameplay like for a Solo Dilo?

[hasty fractal]

Tenonto is one of the most balanced dinosaurs in the game.

[topaz halo]

This is a good point. There are a lot of things that could be worked out or explained better but it is kinda just a general idea. Diets spawning in different areas would work and make it so gaining diet as a herb requires you to travel and not require luck(assuming your diets aren’t already in one biome). Herbivores would have to work for there diets the same way carnivores would to kinda balance it out.

Another thing is there doesn’t have to be one migration for every Dino universally. Kinda like how it is currently

Each herbivore would go to their respective migrations, and the carnivores would naturally follow like they do current

[barren zephyr]

You literally can’t do anything significant if someone decides to go to a forest or near a water source (teno size or bigger)

If you’re solo, at least with a pack you can still do something significant

[manic ibex]

Because the hallucinations can't hit something in the forest or in the water I guess?@barren zephyr

That's why I would prefer a classic DoT for venom

Let's hope Megalania get this kind of venom

[chilly rune]

can you play as a therizino?

[tight iron]

nope

[hardy vine]

@coarse spruce I partially agree but this 2 thrive in denser environment without that they would get picked of by larger predators

[coarse spruce]

yes, keep migrations in wooded areas but any migration zone with large expanses of shallow water gatekeeps the area to larger herbivores that can actually walk above it

[bitter otter]

Are they mainly focusing on Diablo and not buffing and nerfing other stuff?

[frank osprey]

Is anyone else still have the fatal error on launching HT? I think it’s an issue w EAC, which I haven’t been able to correct on my end

[rough scroll]

#general-feedback message stop crying like a baby

If a galli has a companion it will not be killed because its companion can pat the omni to release it

You have more speed and stamina than an omni to escape him, just pay attention to the game

If he killed you without you seeing it is his merit

[north quiver]

I love the “Just don’t get killed” argument for overtuned mechanics that need a bit of changes lol

[rough scroll]

The name says it all

[wooden agate]

i mean hes not wrong, pretty much every herbivore in the game save for teno needs buffs

[north quiver]

the “just herd up” arguments or implied ones are always fun too. can’t have people playing solo lol

[rough scroll]

You can play solo, but Galli will be vulnerable to certain dinosaurs that are his natural prey, like Utah, Carno, that's simply what happens when you have a food chain as the cast of a survival game.

you literally want the galli to be able to defend itself from the only attack that an omni makes against it effectively, and this attack only becomes effective if it has enough stamina and the galli is alone

The whole context is much more favorable for Galli and you simply want to eliminate the only advantage that Omni has haha

[bitter otter]

Its someone not even worth arguing back with tbh, the reasoning that person gave u is stupid

The type of people who will defend the dinosaur they want to play no matter what and not care about the balance of others

[rough scroll]

if two galli see an omni and want to kill him, he is dead, and even so the omni needs the galli's back to deliver his fatal blow, so even in a x1 where the galli was not caught off guard, the galli can win

[wooden agate]

unless the omni has 2 brain cells

in which case its trivial for the omni to get away

[rough scroll]

galli is faster, its agility is not that different, and even if the galli lands two kicks and the omni runs infinitely it will die of bleeding

[north quiver]

the only issue is the lack of counter play. spending hours growing to die with no counter play has and will always be an issue. not only galli faces the issue. other playables of similar size also get the short end of the stick. other adult omnis especially due to cannies get that short end of the stick

sure they can give the pouncer bleed, but they can still kill that omni with ease and heal the bleed off

if allo gets a mechanic that basically does the same thing, then even more playables will suffer from it. not a lot of people will want to grow hours on a dino that can get essentially one-shot without having at least a chance of escape

[dark whale]

Can anyone here help with stuck dino?

[barren zephyr]

Try /unstuck

[bitter otter]

Ill point out that Galli has build up speed, it needs to build up speed, and takes a long time to grow, it also can be pinned down by one Omni, til its dead, one Omni can easily kill 2 Gallis, its not that hard, Galli and Omni should be able to kill each other in a fair fight

[dark whale]

Doesnt work

[bitter otter]

U keep saying Galli should be in a herd but u realized most herds kill each other, and there aren't many Gallis either, the Galli healing is very bad on top of that, and the stamina comsumption per attack is very stupid.

[rough scroll]

like, I say they could change this by reducing the galli's growth time, because 2 hours to die like that is really sad, but it happens when you have a fragile animal

[wooden agate]

i miss when galli could knock down omni

[bitter otter]

There is also ping and u know this too, people get pounced from Narnia

[wooden agate]

literally that was the only reason it was downsized, so it wouldnt knock omni anymore

basically taking away any chance of a semi interesting fight

its like when they gave troodon 120 health instead of 60 and ruined the dynamic between troodon, beipi, and dryo

[rough scroll]

Do you want to take away the only advantage that one animal has over another because of the way the servers are managed??

[rough scroll]

what do you mean?

in the kick

[bitter otter]

A very op advantage that requires no skill what so ever

[wooden agate]

galli could knock down omni when it first released

[bitter otter]

If u want to keep the pinning down on galli keep it so that Galli can do it back, knock them down

[rough scroll]

in the kick right?

[wooden agate]

yes

[bitter otter]

I mean if something is running at u that fast and kicks u

[rough scroll]

How does trodon damage an omni when it receives pounce?

[rough scroll]

that would be a fair buff

it makes sense that you would get kicked by something that is going 55km per hour and be stunned

[bitter otter]

What are u on about

[rough scroll]

If a young omni hits a troodon, the trodon returns part of the damage, so if the omni is already low on health or is weaker than the trodon, even if it manages to knock it down, it would die.

[bitter otter]

Well then make a suggestion

[rough scroll]

What I think is bad is that all these people who cry and cry, don't play with half the animals in the game, die, and say, omg how this dinosaur got stolen, nerf it now because I just died

[bitter otter]

Well I am not one of those people cause I actually took the time to play around with a lot of them

If u go back to my suggestions I always give details as to why they are the way they are or what could help with nerfing and buffing certain parts

And if u look at what ur saying ur a bit hypocritical, ur telling someone to not die and that will solve an issue or herd up with people with there are barely any people to herd with in this first place?

Galli attacks already take away so much stamina, then make it so that Omni loses a lot more stamina when it pounces or fails a pounce, or find a different solution for the fix, cause it makes no sense why someone would wanna grow a Galli and run around as it just to be pounced and can barely even fight most things back, has a delayed sprint, it takes a while to pick up speed when something stops u, and a lot of hits can be put in during those times, then u sit for ages just to heal that is if u do escape

Meanwhile Omni has many things it can kill and stack bleed on, doesn't have any build up speed or anything like that, doesn't sit down for ages to heal, and now with the mutation can heal from eating, and now can pin things down

So stop having "Crying" "Dont die" "Herd" as ur reasons and points, give actual useful and decent points as to why u think that way

[north quiver]

people tend to flock to the best playable. if not many people are playing it, then that usually is a sign of an issue and a sign that things need some changes

[bitter otter]

Exactly, at least progression had people playing variety of type of dinos but since thats gone now were stuck with this, same species seen literally everywhere and the other ones are like seeing a unicorn

[wooden agate]

idk i usually see a little bit of everything

[bitter otter]

Once in a blue moon and next minute they are dead

[glad timber]

Why is dinosaur pooping downvoted? because of possible lag when poop has to be simulated?

[latent olive]

a lot of people are just immature, and quite a few just believe theres no place/use for it in the game

[wooden agate]

it could theoretically have a tracking use i guess

[glad timber]

it would, but why is this not prioritized? Pooping/vomit/leaving traces are part of realism.
Im confused why this was left out

[latent olive]

its not left out

its still planned, as far as we know

and why would it be prioritised when they have higher priorities like fixing the fatal errors, and new playables on the horizon

im pretty sure the tracking system as a whole needs a complete overhaul

[glad timber]

Yeah everyone has its own prioritization, but in the end its the one from the devs that matter.
I thought pooping would be a part of the base game mechanic in tracking dinos, that would improve gameplay, no matter how many playables there are.

At this point, i dont even know how they have the capacity to get all those features done... How is the isle even generating income atm.? There is no MTX or donation page that i am aware of.

[wooden agate]

steam sales presumably

afterthought has made a lot of money off the isle so far, and they seem to be hard set on keeping it at 20 bucks

[limber hull]

yea, Dondi hates how games are getting more and more expensive and wants a good game for 20 bucks

so he doesn't like the concept of increasing the price at all, the most he will consider are DLCs, but only if they're packed with enough content to justify it

like the very hypothetical aquatic DLC

[bitter otter]

@glad timber It could help, with when humans come in and if there was to be farming for them to make healing herbs and all that stuff for dinosaurs they own or them selves they could use

[rocky shore]

@bronze nymph #general-feedback message
I mean, it would be an extra feature that would be a choice if somebody wanted to kill their dino... How can that be a negative thing? However, if you can play multiple dinos on one server, that could easily be abused to revenge kill or exploit others; even with a 10 min cool-down, because we know certain parts of the map are hot-spots for action, where people hang around for hours. I am not saying it wouldn't be nice to have multiple dinos available to play on one server (unofficial servers have done it), but why not have that AND the ability to kill off your dino if needed/wanted? What's the point in arguing against that by counter arguing with another desirable feature, which doesn't have much to do with being able to kill off your own dino (e.g. when you're stuck in terrain as a new spawn and "/unstuck" does nothing - this has happened to me)?

[bitter otter]

It def would be nice to have different slots to be able to play multiple dinos ngl

[rocky shore]

Not saying it wouldn't be, but maybe read Leopard's reply to me/message underneath mine in https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120 first.

[bitter otter]

And I get what you are trying to say, there are many ways people can get their revenge or even abuse or exploit it, there are so many mechanics and features they can do that with already, so it makes no sense to stop a whole mechanic from coming just for that reason, what would balance it out is if someone dies in that area and their other dino is in that area, then they wouldn't be able to spawn in for 10 minutes, could also add it to where so a server owner can adjust the timer for it.

[rocky shore]

Yeah... you didn't read my stuff properly... I'm not even here to dispute that. Leopard used it as a counter argument to MY request, which makes no sense at all.

[bitter otter]

and u did not read what I said, server Owners can adjust it.

[limber hull]

multiple dinosaur slots should have a cooldown of 6 hours imho

[rocky shore]

Ok captain chaos...

[limber hull]

nah, this isn't ironic, genuinely, i've thought about this a lot. There's multiple problems with making it less

I personally see dinosaur slots as a "one per playsession" kinda thing

[bitter otter]

Girl what

[rocky shore]

How did this become a discussion about having multiple dino slots on one server, when you downvoted the idea of having a suicide command??? Like... where's the logic in disagreeing with that?

[bitter otter]

Were u joking or serious

[limber hull]

I dislike the idea of using dinosaur slots to circumvent growthtimes (thus making them on-par with nearly the largest creatures), and there's absolutely no way to revenge kill with such a cooldown

wanna swap slots? you gotta actually wait

[limber hull]

we already have enough issues with stego juvi suicide to feed AFK carnis

honestly, just allow the player to log out and delete their dinosaur from the server screen

[rocky shore]

This would be better... I agree

[vale pawn]

I had the same idea

[wooden agate]

multiple dinosaur slots in general would suck

[limber hull]

i'm 100% serious. Dinosaur slots present several issues, especially with clans existing. A 6 hour cooldown prevents people utilising "backup apexes" instead of prioritising regrowth

[wooden agate]

"oh, my clan is fighting a few allos? let me pull out my rex real quick" - a troodon, probably

[limber hull]

Anything less than 6 hours, and the issue of slots > growth remains to keep that clan going

[rocky shore]

4 hours seems more reasonable...

[vale pawn]

I wouldnt mind 6 hours, the times i will likely use switching dinosaur slots is to move one from a dead server to a populated one

[limber hull]

Potentially, but I still have my concerns. Unless you never sleep, a 6 hour cooldown ain't that bad. Go to sleep, wake up the next day, log on, pick a slot

[bitter otter]

They could also log in with a temporary debuff

U know what after u said Clans I agree with u LOL

[rocky shore]

It's not the worst idea... but some people have broken sleep cycles or want to binge game at the weekend... So 4 hours still seems a reasonable length of time to prevent exploitation.

[wooden agate]

or we just dont add them point blank period to avoid issues all together

[bitter otter]

Adjustable times would be nice, so server owners can adjust it

[limber hull]

Possibly, I just worry where the breakpoint is where it's better to just wait on a slot than regrow

[glad timber]

Not sure if its still happening, but I used to lose full grown dinos without server resets.
Now imagine having multiple fully grown dinos, be wiped in an instant.
How much grief would one suffer?

[limber hull]

I feel that accounting for bugs in such a system is weird

[rocky shore]

but you won't be able to regrow a dino on a server you've filled all the available slots on...

[limber hull]

I mean, if your animal just died, and you're still on that slot, it's either log out for 6 hours or grow a new one.

[rocky shore]

but say you just wanted to switch to something else? 6 hours is a long-ass time to wait, 4 seems more reasonable... and there's such a small chance of revenge killing with a 4 hour wait time.

[limber hull]

you also have

other servers lol

[rocky shore]

yes, but it wasn't me who requested this feature... I am just saying I am not totally against it.

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

you're looking at it as if you're being restricted, but really, you simply have more options. Your choices before were either grow again, swap servers, or stop playing for the day

Now it's grow again, swap servers until the time limit is up, swap servers in general, stop playing until the time limit is up, etc

[rocky shore]

but right now is also a good example as to why multiple dinos on one server would be nice. Currently EU1 is down and has been for over 24 hours... Given that the other EU non-west servers are pretty dead (most of the time), makes fun game play limited.

[wheat granite]

I keep on dying to hackers, how do I report them? There’s no replay mode and no one ever tells me how to

[umbral skiff]

F2 in game to record it includes their Steam ID, you can watch the replays in game as well, DM Video to Punch or Discord Admin with any relevant information

Would be nice if there was a report button in game

[limber hull]

@native wasp sadly, it seems the functionality has not been added yet. Hopefully this is fixed before live

[native wasp]

Damn, I wish it was removed until it had funcitionality. I've wasted a slot on all my diablos haha

[limber hull]

yea, i get ya lol

it seems really cool, i'd take it too if it worked :P

[dry falcon]

Where are the birds that erupted when we broadcasted in a jungle?

[wheat granite]

I don’t believe they exist, it’s just an effect used to make Dino’s sound louder I think

[dry falcon]

It was a detail when you called

It seems like something happened and it got removed

[radiant nest]

Yeah it hasn’t ever been on gateway I think

I do hope they fix all the ambience and other audio things like that

[coarse spruce]

I would rather dilo's turn radius doesn't change

[bronze nymph]

@hardy vine exactly what im thinking great suggestion

[signal thistle]

Alright, I understand. How about just a number of players banned each update? It doesn't have to be a pop up on screen but just with each update a total number of cheaters banned. Just something to show the community that you are taking steps because as of right now, information is being freely given and nobody is following up like the received message is tossed in the trash. I do understand that you can't update the player directly and say yes or no they were but if the person was banned you can just in an update post say, XXX (Number) players received a ban this past patch. The following patch XXX (Number) players received a ban this past patch. It can be put into a newsletter. I am just saying we aren't receiving ANY information on our end that anything is being done, other than saying we will take a look. Even if you took a non-chalant approach and said, 345 players will have to create new steam accounts and pay for the game again this patch due to bypassing anti-cheat software. There are plenty of ways to go about this and doesn't have to be broadcast on the actual game like Rainbow Six. I used Escape from Tarkov as the example because they have a Forum post specifically for new banned players, it isn't thrown in anyone's face, it is searched for and accessible for anyone who wants to see it. Even if you created a discord channel that could only be viewed and put a disclaimer saying the listed players were banned from the Isle, click here to continue as some names are vulgar in nature. I am not trying to cause more work for the Dev's or anything but the community as a whole, over the past year seems to be fed up with the cheating taking place and not getting any answers.

[barren zephyr]

Just for the ending part where you say “no answers” punch has stated before they’re aware of hackers and are working to stop them from runining experiences, they just can’t say how they’ll do it otherwise the hackers will adapt to that

[signal thistle]

I am not asking how they are doing it. I am asking for how many players are being banned for it. I don't want to know how they are detecting it, how they are finding out. I do however want closure and knowing bans are in fact happening and on what scale. This information shouldn't affect how they are being detected, whose detecting them, or anything to circumvent what process is being used. As of right now, the answer everyone receives is we are looking into it and nobody hears anything else. Nobody knows if anything is actually happening on the community side. This would just be a congrats community, based on information, we have determined XXX number of players were banned from the game during this "timeframe." Added to a newsletter, or a discord channel or a pinned message. It would more than satisfy the majority of the player community knowing that it is being taken care of AND it might deter some of the cheaters in the future.

The only reason I see to hide this information as to a Number of banned players is that there isn't a number to hide otherwise known as there aren't any to tell. I am not trying to place a wedge in anything. I am not trying to cause conflict. I am just suggesting that it would do everyone some good, knowing that X number of players have been banned for anti-cheat reasons. Not what the reasons were, not how it was occurring, not information that I am not asking about. Just a number if nothing else. Reduce the hackers, cheaters to a number. 3,587 cheaters have been banned. "We are looking into it" isn't a answer. It is a valid answer at the time of occurrence, however it feels more like a your report means nothing in the long run.

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
Carno is supposed to be a small game hunter and is getting a rework soon to make that a reality
cera is not small game and most likely will stay off of Carnos diet

[tight iron]

but troodon is a joke tho

i mean at least it's something it but like 💀

[formal onyx]

if that rework isnt coming this patch then theres no reason not to have cera on carnos diet in the meantime

removing cera and deer from carnos diet was a bad change for a rework thats only happening months after

[tall hearth]

It's not. And they will likely not add cera to its diet. Cera has organs, just eat those. There's no shortage of ceras either. Just go nuts.

Its not wise to change things when they're preparing them to be set in stone for the future anyway. It may be "bad" at the moment that it lost deer and cera from its diets but it'll work out when more and more playables are added to the roster. Half the "issue" is just that there's not enough playables yet. Which will be fixed in the future, they plan on adding a total of ~65.

[slim elbow]

@rotund panther i like the suggestion but it may be easily exploited by people coordinating in a voice chat or something

like they take a large dino of other species and hit every member to unlock Congenital Hypoalgesia

[rotund panther]

@slim elbow It may be hard to overcome the exploitation through voice chat in general and as we know players are clever to find loopholes in many different scenarios. I see ya point

But at the moment few selection of mutations have more advantages compared to others so how do we make it more justifiable to get these but not cheap? Perhaps not involve an extra player to unluck few of the mutations? Perhaps with Congenital Hypoalgesia a player has to take starve damage multiple times and take total damage equal to 2x of the species teen/adult weight?