general-feedback-discussion

[mystic parcel]

Like I used to enjoy nesting but I literally do not touch the mechanic now with how punishing this game is now

[zinc mesa]

I can only really spawn in the south as a Pred because of the lack of food in other areas

[mystic parcel]

Yea

Removing spawn zones doesn't fix anything like some ppl think will prevent cluster of players

[zinc mesa]

There needs to be a lot more food or the diet needs to drain slower

[mystic parcel]

Yea both ngl

[zinc mesa]

Also maybe add some method of navigation

So I don’t have to cross-reference the map every time I want to know where the closest water is

Maybe you could smell your territories from a long while away, like a map maker

So you could always reorient yourself

But a part of this game is being lost and finding new places

But it isn’t nice always being lost and starving

[faint folio]

True but it doesn't make it more realistic. Most species try to scare off competitors before they fight, and most deaths from intraspecies fights irl are accidental-- someone gets unlucky or refuses to give up the resource. And I don't think it's super healthy for most gameplay, either-- especially for playables that are dependent upon cooperative mechanics

[mystic parcel]

but this isnt irl its a game, and its players not actual dinosaurs. online gameplay doesnt matter what you are. when you play onlien games as human, other players kill each other, doesnt mean they kill irl ppl. intraspecies irl do kill each other and not accidental, dogs kill each other, so do lions, so do hyenas, so do bears and so on. this isnt a roleplaying game either, there is no reason to punish players from killing other players, it gets complicate especially if yall are wanting intraspecies death debuffs as a player could get a debuff from self defense

[steel field]

wait, fish was taken away from herrera's diet?

[faint folio]

I'd say it really depends... For dinosaurs where cooperation and trust isn't crucial to their gameplay loop (ie most of the roster...) then who cares. But there are dinos whose mechanics depend on group play, like Utah and troodon. I think it's fair to apply penalties to killing same species for those dinos, as you should be able to trust your group

Also all of those animals you mentioned are pack animals (except bears), and they don't typically kill other animals in their group. Would a reasonable compromise be that you only receive debuffs if you team kill? Eg kill someone in your group. To encourage players to not join group to use tags to track players

Plus... The game is trying to create a player led ecosystem and id argue killing others of your kind on sight is counterproductive to that in many cases. It's true it's not a roll playing game, but you still shouldn't be killing people on your "team" on sight

[mystic parcel]

lions do kill other lions if theyre not from their pride, especially males killing all the cubs. debuff is easily evaded by a group of omnis, 1 gets the debuff the others attack, or yada yada. the game doesnt need all these debuffs yall trying to implament for "realism." this is a horror game. theyre planning to add mutated cannibal monsters. whyre you trying to force realism into a game about humans who created "dinosaurs" who arent the actual dinosaurs that went extinct and eventually brought back as lab created monsters who also will eventually mutate themselves

[grave stone]

I feel like this game has gotten worse since I first played it. The original Map I played was planned so well and was so abundant with food. And last time I played A few months ago was totally different, it was like the game was empty. The map was glitchy, you get stuck in different places. The rivers weren't as extensive, the mountains had too many weird features. Has the game changed at all recently? Is it back to being fun again ? 😢

[sullen brook]

You talking Spiro or Gateway? Because gateway is amazin. Spiro wasn't well planned out, and sometimes food didn't spawn in their areas. I feel spiro is nothing compared to gateway. Gateway has so much more space and you get to view the full map. While Spiro you could only play like 15% of it.

[spice lark]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/comments/1d77mbm/mixpacking_hackers_help_me_report/ <<<< Dunno where to report this directly.... Do we have to ping an admin every time? The video is posted, but it wasnt taken by me. LOTS of hackerz lately(that if we dont get them banned are and will ruin the game)

[sullen brook]

I do feel playing on community servers are just more fun and safe.

[limber hull]

@knotty solar i completely agree. I think a lot of the "herbi OP" sentiment comes less from herbis actually being OP and more us lacking the correct animals to hunt certain others (stego needs something like rex as its big predator, especially with a kit actually designed to brawl big boys)

as for stuff like dibble... People haven't actually had enough time to learn how to counterplay it, although the current method seems to be "omniraptor pack" or numbers in general

carno and cerato both are extremely and specialised, teno/dibble don't fall into the carno hunting range and cerato isn't really even a hunter

[grave stone]

I think it was Spiro, gateway was huge but empty feel like the larger map took away from the game

[wooden agate]

spiro was the worst of the worst

[knotty solar]

See, I agree with this as well I think once allo or some of the bigger dinos like giga and such come along stuff like stego and dibble will actually meet there match, I just don't like all these kids in #isle-discussion complaining that there carno gets knocked over trying to fight a dibble and I look at that and go well they really are not built to be taking on that kind of power now I'm not saying they can't or anything its just your really out matched and thats how it should be look at it like this think of the dibble as a rhino and think of the carno as a lion there is no possible way on gods green earth a lion could bring down a rhino I just think dibble should stay as it is they are working on bringing more dinos and people also complain that dibbles live in groups and they want it removed like no herbis live in groups its just like raptors remove groups for them as well, base it on real life if you have to go for the babies you go for an adult male or female your gonna lose without a doubt. An people are mad at that and its stupid.

I legit seen one adult dibble take on 2 adult carnos and win its just the dibble is powerful again you shouldn't be fighting it to start with.

"if you know your gonna lose the fight why even try"

Dibbles have massive bleed damage and resistance someone like a carno doesn't even stand a chance hell cera with bile bite don't even stand a chance.

[limber hull]

im not sure if dibble has good bleed res, because omni seems quite good at it

[wooden agate]

i like when carnos (the small game hunter) are surprised they cant hunt dibbles (notably not small game) reliably

[barren zephyr]

This is factual too but you're going to come across the type of people that will support the notion of herbivores being free food with "erm well this isn't real life, grass eaters should die cuz i said so 🤓". And of course you can't apply realism to the highest standards in the isle but its joever.

[knotty solar]

Oh 100% I agree but what i'm saying is herbis should be good in terms of if you know how to use them

Carnos will try to hunt trikes with they come its the truth are they gonna die most likely but its still gonna happen hell wouldn't be surpirsed cers trying to kill rexs either

[barren crater]

I personally think diablo should be a lot more approachable than now. Those stun / knockdown ranges are dumb. 4t stego being somehow stunned by a diablo

[knotty solar]

I mean I agree but I'm saying for stuff like carno and cera it needs to be balenced lmao

[barren crater]

I'm not even against diablo knocking them. Personally don't like it on the running attack. I think the alt attack should be able to knock other diablos, ceras, carnos and tenos. While the running attack should stun them.

I'd make it so diablo knocks things 0.75x its weight with the running attack, while being able to stun things 2x its size.

I'd also make the alt attack knock things 1.5 - 2x its size

[knotty solar]

Yeah, but also it makes since though if a 1500 KG dino with horns runs into you its 100% gonna knock you over if not throw you.

[limber hull]

the "strong attack" should be able to knockdown a lot bigger things

the one where you hold LMB

the normal attack should be tuned down\

[knotty solar]

Denio should be the only dino being able to take most dinos just like IRL crocs eat all types of food

[limber hull]

speaking of, does anyone know the difference atm between the regular and "strong" attack

[knotty solar]

small med and even large cause adult denio is like 6 tons

[limber hull]

adult deino is 8 tons

[knotty solar]

cera is the only one rn I'd consider with a strong attack with that being a charged bite

[knotty solar]

even better proved my point haha

[limber hull]

im talkiing about dibble

dibble has a power attack, though im unsure what it does

[barren crater]

You mean the standing left click?

where you hold it?

[knotty solar]

The, dibble I wouldnt say it has a reg or strong attack cause the knock just comes with running which is realistic cause as I said if a dino that ways 100s of KG charges you and hits you if it doesn't kill you on impact is gonna hurt.

[barren crater]

or the one where you look down and left click

[limber hull]

no it literally has a power attack

[knotty solar]

oh

[limber hull]

yea, that one

[limber hull]

i didnt even know dibble had an attack like this

[knotty solar]

well its normal attack i'd say its a hybrid attack cause it has the ability to do like 3 different things.

[barren crater]

yeah

the running attack has different cc thresholds to the standing one

[knotty solar]

cause the looking LC attack then the running attack and nomral attack

[barren crater]

running has the highest knockdown range

which I know makes sense realistically, but it does not feel good to face in this game

especially with latency and how quickly they can deploy it

[knotty solar]

which I think is realistic I think it should deff be worked on more but I love the concept

[barren crater]

Yeah. Anyways diablo will go through some changes just going off the amount of feedback and how new it is. I just hope it isn't a massive nerf.

[knotty solar]

yeah, but if you go to my feedback post a lot of people agree with me

#general-feedback message

[barren crater]

I also agree with it. I think herbi's should be stronger than their carni counterparts on average

[knotty solar]

Yeah, and I think if your a small game hunter you shouldn't be able to kill a mid/large herbi I mean maybe the juvis and babies but thats about it,.

and even then if your a large herbi your babies are most likely gonna be sorta big from birth like camy babies are most likely gonna weight 300 kg off the bit considering the adults weigh 11-12 tons

[barren crater]

Solo carnos would still be slaughtered tbh. Although I wonder how well carno will be able to move soon since its getting some changes to hunt small game better

I think 2 carnos should be able to hunt diablos

not that its meant to be easy but i think it should be even in the open

[knotty solar]

i mean yeah but there not built for it so i'd be rough

[limber hull]

2 carnos should go hunt ceras/tenos/dibbles

[barren crater]

and that's fine

harder hunts = more fun

well ones that are possible of course lol

[limber hull]

i love the idea of solo carnos focusing on small game, whereas larger groups tend to fight their own size

although i still think carno just shouldn't punch up

[barren crater]

I doubt it can. I could see 3 possibly getting an allo with most of them dead

[limber hull]

true

tbh, allo will change everything, because most carnivores atm are just specialists, whereas allo will be a generalist more like omni, with the added bonus of being MUCH bigger

carno, cerato, herrera, deino are all very specialist
troodon and dilo are a weird in-between spot
omni is really the closest thing we have to a generalist which has considerable punch up power

[barren crater]

very good for solo play it seems which i like

[lethal quartz]

god the game is going to be such cancer once allo releases lol

love the dino but that thing is getting the rex treatement as soon as it goes into horde testing

[barren crater]

oh definitely

and you'll be able to do like nothing to it either lol

[limber hull]

i literally think rex is better for the game than allo (atm)

[knotty solar]

Well, from everything we know trike will release with rex just due to balance as a whole

[wooden agate]

@oblique panther fixed in ht

[crimson lintel]

#general-feedback message this isn't beasts of bermuda it'd be dumb to add "OP" mutations when the game is already unbalanced

[smoky pier]

I don't have any feedback for the game, but I do have a suggestion that I think would be fun!! If this hasn't already been planned, I think a playable Microraptor would be really cool!! I can imagine a gliding mechanic - similar in play style to how herrarasaurus can jump from tree to tree in order to avoid predators and find prey - would be some very fun gameplay! I know it is straying away from the more featherless style of the avian dinosaurs we have in the roster so far, but I thought it was worth a try to ask to see if it is possible to be added, as I think players (including myself) would genuinely enjoy it, and could be a really unique gameplay experience.

[crimson lintel]

#general-feedback would be better for this

[smoky pier]

OH I misread the topic description of general-feedback my bad

[tight iron]

@crimson lintel im pretty sure water lags everyone

swamp is full of water and i ball on 70 fps ova there

but anywhere else minimum 90

[crimson lintel]

Im balling on 15 fps at swamp, and someone else is balling 30 fps inland

[tight iron]

15 fps at swamp

DAAAAAAAAAMN

[teal fulcrum]

this has already been fixed on hordetest. after the update it will be on actual servers
#general-feedback message

[crimson lintel]

#general-feedback message There shouldn't be any limitation on who can attack who, also herbis will obviously aggro a carnivore if you're close to them, even if you aren't threatening them.

[tight iron]

@ebon rose i completely agree, it's annoying as absolute hell to be attacked by an aggro herbi specially after you kill something and you want to eat it in peace, however this might sound stupid but i don't think it's a good idea, carnis will abuse it (specially me ngl) so much that ppl will just be screaming to remove that rule

^^ i was a fresh adult raptor minding my own damn business yesterday, killed a small stego for food, was casually eating it and ignoring all herbis cause i didn't need to eat them, frickin dibble says nuh uh you aint eating today and bodycamps me for 10 minutes straight

then i think he realized how stupid he was and just left me

[crimson lintel]

Body camping is dumb and I don't think a herbi should be doing that but obviously herbis will attack you, especially if you killed another herbi, you'll be seen as a threat.

[tight iron]

i agree

well i dont really agree

if you have a body why keep going yknow

if im actively attacking kill something and then just back off and wait, i aint a threat i just want to eat

if im a herbi i just 2 call (gg) and leave

also say yes with the head like "gg man enjoy your meal"

that's how things should work but they don't

if people bodycamp you, show em who's boss

(kill their children)

[limber hull]

pachy is literally an animal designed to take initiative and get the first strike, the idea that it can't defend itself till it's attacked first puts it at a major disandvantage

not to mention the fact that herbivores lose all intimidation factor to keep carnivores away from their space if they literally just can't damage carnivores until the carnivores initiate

[tight iron]

not about pachy tho

all herbis

best thing you can do is just say alr we ball and not approach em at all

[crimson lintel]

I just think, stay away from herbivores because they can and will absolutely body you when you're a carni, this isn't legacy so not everyones friendly and fair. If they have the advantage they will take it and you can't expect no less

[limber hull]

all herbis should have the ability to say "back off" and it be respected

and if you don't, you get murdered

[ebon rose]

I was chilling around a Taranto for my WHOLE growth, not ONCE did they attack me. But as SOON as I'm around 30% grown this MEGGA LOOSER just starts tail smashing me and not letting me on land. My two options were die to water, or die to a hurby

[limber hull]

you were the one chilling next to a random. That's on you

[tight iron]

why were you chilling with a teno...

[crimson lintel]

yeah thats on you man

[tight iron]

why

[ebon rose]

I don't mind hurbys giving us a warning. But when they just randomly attack us for 0 reason thats terrible

[crimson lintel]

tenos are sadist

[ebon rose]

Well it was chilling with me and two deinos

It was the only hurby there, idk why it was there

[limber hull]

how is that IT'S fault when you chilled next to a random player

[crimson lintel]

Are you sure it was chilling with you? Are you certain it didn't feel like it was trapped and decided to take the initiative

[ebon rose]

Wasn't a random, it was there the whole time I was growing

[crimson lintel]

Feelings aren't mutual

[tight iron]

do you know that person irl or from discord

[ebon rose]

.......dude I don't think a 10 - 20% grown carno has ANY effect on a FULLY GROWN tananto....like....

[limber hull]

i trusted a player i didn't know
the player was a herbivore and a different species
they killed me because i was a potential threat
PUNISH THE HERBI

[ebon rose]

And it was moving to and from the mainland and the Island JUST fine

[limber hull]

this feels like a lesson in trust if anything

[crimson lintel]

Dude... just don't follow herbis...

[ebon rose]

....thats like saying "Oh the dog killed the babby but let's punish the babby because the dog must have felt threatened"

[crimson lintel]

Look man if you're this salty over getting killed for a completely fair reason maybe this game isn't for you because there's a whole lotmore bull situations you could die from

[limber hull]

zebras kill baby zebras lol, nature like that

[ebon rose]

I don't think a CHILD has any effect on a FULLY GROWN AFULT

[limber hull]

it can grow into something that can be

[ebon rose]

I WAS LITIRALLY 0 THREAT TO THEM!!! TF YOU MEAN FAIR REASON

[limber hull]

its a fair reason. You were in their space

if i leave my child near a horse and the horse kicks my child, that;'s entirely on me

[crimson lintel]

because you were following it for way too long dude... i don't think it minded when you were around 10-20 percent but when you were bigger and still was following it i think it felt threatened

[ebon rose]

...dude I WASNT FOLLOWING IT

[crimson lintel]

then why did you say you were with it for your entire growth??

[limber hull]

run an experiment. put a newborn baby near an adult donkey and tell me how safe it ends up being

sure, it might live and be fine, but i'm pretty sure i wouldn't trust a creature which i can't understand its intentions with my child

[tight iron]

your frustration is perfectly justified, however it's your fault

there is zero reason for you to chill around something that you are supposed to eat

you put people in a game where it's complicated to survive and has super long growths and tell em "do whatever you want"

if it's not obvious that a lot of people will take any chance to kill rivals or future predators, well, now it is

[crimson lintel]

Dude, just take a break from the game if you're angry, we all get angry when we die but you shouldnt put the blame on the teno or the game

[tight iron]

and that includes not killing something, waiting for him to grow and then killing him so that he takes even longer to be an adult

[ebon rose]

#1 I was there WITH IT from a FRESH SPAWN JUVI to a 30% grown carno. During that WHOLE TIME and NOT ONCE did it act threatened or do anything not ONCE did ANY of the carbon try to attack it EXEPT for the Utah AND THE DEINIOS HELPED THE HURBY FIGHT OFF THE UTAHS there is 0 REASON for that fully grown tananto to feel threatened.

#2 That hurby was FREEELLYYYYYYY going back and forth IN THW WATER WITH TWO DENOS NOT GETTING HURT and would even SIT NEAR ALL OF THE CARNOS ON ITS OWN CHOICE it CHOSE TO SIT AROUND CARNOS

#3 NOT ONCE did it show ANY aggression twarss ANY of the carbos that it CHOSE TO SIT NEAR

You all are CLEARLY delusional if your going to sit there and read ALL of that and then turn around going "The hurby felt threatened and therfor your stupid as a carni" NO that tananto is IN THE WRONG

Unprovoked KILLING

[tight iron]

is it dirty? maybe. is it annoying? absolutely! but it's your fault

[ebon rose]

Not my fault you delusional sloth

[tight iron]

do you mind

[crimson lintel]

Dude you spent like 30 minutes growing that thing just take a break from this

[tight iron]

it is your fault because you chose to be near the teno

if you can't predict what an animal can do, can you predict what a human can do?

[crimson lintel]

just stop talking about this because its not going anywhere

[tight iron]

a human is the only species that kills its own species for enjoyment

[ebon rose]

You guys are all slow asf fr

[tight iron]

so think about it and think about your next actions, i guarantee it won't happen again if you do

[limber hull]

you don't know that though

[ebon rose]

Christ

[limber hull]

you don't know what provoked it lmao, because you don't know what it was thinking

[ebon rose]

I'm done with yall OMFG

[tight iron]

i can tell

[limber hull]

ya, because ur in the wrong lmao

[ebon rose]

Get blocked you are all delusional sloths

[crimson lintel]

you guys gotta stop provoking him lmao and just leave the conversation

[tight iron]

this ain't gonna go anywhere, he's blinded by rage

[ebon rose]

You guys CKEARLY have 0 brain cells

Done with this convo yall are all blocked

[tight iron]

cant think rationally in that state, just leave it be ig

[limber hull]

god i wish i knew how many people blocked me

[bronze matrix]

I do give him that. That way of thought is mighty convenient. I recently lost my herrera to a dibble when I was trying to hunt it.
Thinking about it, it makes me feel way better to blame the dibble instead of myself who tried to attack it head on.

[crimson lintel]

true but he's still angry so clearly it's not working out

[tight iron]

i once tried to hunt 3 carnos as a troodon

dont ask why or how

[crimson lintel]

easy win

[tight iron]

i obviously died

[limber hull]

based as hell

[tight iron]

3 fg discord coordinated carnos

[barren crater]

By the way, there's 0 point in making a suggestion about adding rules to officials, or mechanics to stop herbis from initiating fights with carnis. It won't ever happen.

[bronze matrix]

adults?

[tight iron]

fg

in an open field 💀

peak stupidity from my side

[ebon rose]

Obviously when the server is filled with small brain's like all the sloths i blocked.

[bronze matrix]

did you manage to get one tho?

[tight iron]

not at all

[barren crater]

Nah, the devs themselves don't want it on officials. You can join unofficial servers though where there are rules in place.

[bronze matrix]

as a troodon player I for one respect that

[tight iron]

lmao

troodon trolling

[tight iron]

tell him that i recommend he joins islander semi realism where you can't just insta attack carnis as herbi

only issue is that nobody follows any rules and it takes weeks for you to get your dino back but let's ignore it 💀

[barren crater]

(I've been attacked for existing on that server so many times that i wouldn't even bother suggesting it lol)

[tight iron]

LOL

i quit playing in that server when i joined and was immediately killed by 4 pachies then took me 1 week to get my raptor back

[barren crater]

I remember being tag teamed by raptors and pachys and then a deino finally killed me

update 6

[tight iron]

i did not even last a minute

[clever geyser]

I last 20 minutes

[tight iron]

then i tried petits cause double pop half ping got stuck opened a ticket and mfer responded before i could explain what was going on

[barren crater]

classic

[tight iron]

LOL

minor inconvenience

[barren crater]

bro that pachy hated my guts for picking carno lol

[tight iron]

like all pachies

[barren crater]

tbf it was update 6 carno

[tight iron]

the isle gaming

i remember i was gaming with some friends as pachy not much ago, we were 8 small pachies, 3 raptors show up, they see 3 of us, they get close, then the other 5 come and we just all run

the raptors were so confused they forgot how to murder

[lapis swallow]

it isnt, I trained the horse to kick children. sorry about your firstborn

[lapis swallow]

womp womp

[bronze matrix]

getting kicked by a horse in the early stages of ones life unlocks potential

[tight iron]

you gonna unlock a horse mutation like that

[bronze matrix]

it's like spiderman but with horses

[tight iron]

horseman

[ebon rose]

Your name, but without Accidental. Because it definitely wasn't an accident

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[wooden agate]

womp womp

[limber hull]

the womp womping is crazy lol

[wooden agate]

"this herbivore killed a potential future threat. clearly its in the wrong..."

ok buddy

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/doggy-lizard-reptile-crocodile-cute-funny-gif-26297879

@wheat granite #general-feedback message i do think we should probably get a few more official server admins at some point, but they are definitely under no obligation to do unstucks :P they do that by choice

also i dont think its feesible to get admins on the servers 24/7, but most of the time when a hacker is reporter the proper way admins begin to look into it ASAP

[wheat granite]

I understand but there are alot of places you can get stuck and the unstuck command rarely works, maybe it could updated so that the command does work near players, or I would recommend if a player gets stuck they can teleport to their nearest member of their group.

Also where do i report players?

[wooden agate]

for future reference :P

sometimes i DM krow instead, but thats not really what you're supposed to do so i'd just follow this lul

[latent olive]

@nova oxide they have plans for improving the ocean environment
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059199407091888239/1113825241408471112/01376f8325804589c9ae1d24c386cb6d45af9863.png?ex=665fc2d7&is=665e7157&hm=c13b51e7cf3d104dd28f8a0698cc3651ddf08dbdb382068824f74849a8fcb1cc&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059199407091888239/1113825378327343214/5a5645492e4f2f00a348be4f0e1dc4ec86da5f1a.png?ex=665fc2f8&is=665e7178&hm=e33633f68b57a09911f465dc663cb55371e685e4ff9bbe2ada4f85cd7bf36800&

[radiant nest]

@knotty juniper there’s an unstuck command

[nova oxide]

Thanks for letting me now looks sick

[knotty juniper]

/unstuck doesn't work for me @radiant nest

[radiant nest]

It doesn’t work near other players and also has a cooldown of 90 minutes on live build and 5 minutes on hordetesting branch

[knotty juniper]

so again, if I'm forced to wait out deatch because someone is around (which is completely out of our control) then we need a better option to get unstuck

or just fix the meshing

[wheat granite]

I feel like my ping will be unnoticed tho

[ebon rose]

Your a sloth.

Get blocked sloth

[limber hull]

goddamn this dude hates sloths

tf did they even do to him sloths are awesome

[radiant nest]

This is why sloths are endangered

[radiant nest]

Literally sammylvr ^

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-5850140373338651166

[wooden agate]

you're* 🤓

[queen ember]

Why are we talking about sloths in isle general discussion

[bronze matrix]

a guy calls everybody sloths

[lapis swallow]

because one nerd calls everyone sloths that disagrees with them

[queen ember]

Because………….

[steady cosmos]

goes to a discussion channel
cant discuss so block them

[queen ember]

Im…….slow?

[lapis swallow]

look at the chat

it is honestly quite funny

[queen ember]

O………..k

[lapis swallow]

O..h.... I...j...u....s....t.....g....o...t....i....t

[queen ember]

Yea

Silly sloth player

[lapis swallow]

anyways

[undone pewter]

Speed service

[lapis swallow]

when will you let monstrous out of your basement?

[tight iron]

more than that

the milisecond i opened my man pulled out a copy and paste and pasted it

[undone pewter]

lol

[tight iron]

megaspeed service

[undone pewter]

That's the spirit. Which admin was it?

[tight iron]

gave me 30% food to get out and have a chance and just tped me outside

[tight iron]

i have absolutely no idea but check ticket logs if you even have them

im telling you man, i said "hey how's it going" as usual and immediately after my man had already posted it smh

[undone pewter]

Also our rules are fairly simple and we have a lot of admins since all the commands are visible publicly to prevent cheating so usually there's always one available

we need more NA based admins for the night in EU

[tight iron]

yeah

i can just stalk waht the admins are doing

[tight iron]

(i didn't get a transcript)

[primal plover]

we are speed

[tight iron]

🏃

[fleet oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-barry-allen-grant-gif-23737347

I mean, we try at least 🙂

[tight iron]

and you suceed with flyin colors

that's like the only reason i just play there

[latent olive]

@unique mirage Stego’s new attack stance is one of the ways the devs are readying it for the inevitable meteorite that is Trex

[lapis swallow]

@hardy vine womp womp

[latent olive]

There’s no feasible way for a stego to outrun a Rex without looking goofy, so the only other option is to give stego a big smacking stick

[tight iron]

there is no reason to play on another server when i can have half the ping double the pop and no cheater risk 🤷‍♂️

WDYM TOO MUCH BLEED 😭

how the absolute hell is raptor op 😭

it just slowly kills you while you have like 10000000000000 chances to get em off you

[unique mirage]

yeah and i dont mind that but why does it need to be able to run with it? Wouldnt it be enough for it to stand there and hold its ground? Since it cant run away anyways

[latent olive]

sidenote let’s make stego bipedal

[latent olive]

the run is effectively a “charge-up” for the huge power swing

Effectively everything can run faster than stego, so just run away

if you can’t hear it sprinting towards you, turn your volume up

Also if a stego can’t move when holding its stance, it can’t turn

If it can’t turn, it’s literally a sitting duck

headshot gallery

[hardy vine]

how tf am i supposed to get off rapters?????

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

[unique mirage]

just make it a stronger, faster normal swing. Works in all directions and you dont need to sprint

[latent olive]

that doesn’t really give the stego any character or personality though, nor does it warn attackers to back off

the stance adds to the character of a stego

it sees something, it shows that something its weapons, if the target approaches, teach them a physical lesson

also the power swing locks you in a relatively long animation

so if you miss, you’re in for a lot of pain

[unique mirage]

exactly, would work fine while standing your ground, not running AT the target

[latent olive]

sometimes the best defence is an offence full of thagomisers

not exactly gonna let that large predator walk around you while it’s waiting for its friends to arrive

[unique mirage]

you give players the option to use it to KOS others, they are gonna use it

[latent olive]

@random grove do you know what version of the game you’re playing

[random grove]

no

[latent olive]

did you just buy the game and click install?

[icy lion]

Right click The Isle in your Steam library, click Properties, click Betas, click the drop-down bar and select evrima. Steam will start downloading the new version

[random grove]

yes

[latent olive]

ignore the blue name, read this

the "normal version" of the game, that you get when you click "install" is called Legacy, and is not being worked on anymore

the beta version is called EVRIMA, and is undergoing active development, you can swap to it for free by going into the game's properties on steam

the servers in Legacy are community only

in EVRIMA, all playables will be completely free to pick and play as, with no cost, UNLESS you play on a scummy community server that is charging you to play as those dinosaurs, for example, the spinosaurus (which isnt in evrima yet)

the OFFICIAL servers in EVRIMA will never ask you for money, at all

i would highly recommend playing the beta version first

Horde Test beta branch is currently a testing branch for the new Diabloceratops and Mutations/Perks mechanic

[tight iron]

bonk raptors off with a tree or a rock

[random grove]

can i play in legacy and how to do it

[tight iron]

above you

[latent olive]

Legacy is the “none” option in beta branches

There’s only like, one populated server

evrima is where the cool dinosaurs are

[limber hull]

i mean, if those others can't react to the most sluggish land creature in the game

then they kinda earned the death

#general-feedback message

i dont understand how you can say you dislike combat mutations then ask for different kinds of combat mutations lol

[limber hull]

some if not most of these ideas are even more gladiator/superhero than our current combat mutations

yea, combat mutations SUCK, but a stronger version ain't fixing that

[lapis swallow]

heat vision, neatopateeto

[limber hull]

bro literal PREDATOR VISION is going to be better than "deal slightly more damage to bleeding targets" every day of the week lol

[lapis swallow]

and running alt bite

[limber hull]

and a leaping claw attack for teno lol

and goddamn AMBUSH SPEED

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/disgustang-disgusting-disgusteng-havinashet-shet-gif-12520181

[limber hull]

like goddamn just let combat mutations die

[barren zephyr]

Agreed tbh, I feel like mutations should only affect the individual that has them, not other players as well. There's no reason for animals to deal more damage toward their own species or species larger than them, like why?

[idle briar]

@tender latch are you saying about the wind sound???
was there ambience????????

[boreal swift]

Agreed, that is the way i would prefer it, like the top part of my post.
However IF we are gonna have combat mutations than i would prefer us doing the damage ourselfs with abilities (that still have to be balanced)
And heat vision would only be for troodon cus they need all the love they can get lol

[limber hull]

i did agree with the top part, i just feel adding insane attacks only furthers the combat meta thing

as for heatvision, i dont think troodon needs it, as someone who plays troodon. It's genuinely not as horrible as everyone seems to be convinced it is

[boreal swift]

do you have a post about removing the stat changing mutations?

[limber hull]

not yet lol

i have frequently established how much i hate combat mutations, even before mutations existed in the game

[boreal swift]

yeah basicly all the stat changing ones that modifies blood, health, damage and speed is completely broke and will be impossible to rightfully balance, better to remove them

[limber hull]

i agree

[boreal swift]

ran down a pachy as cera and legacy tail rode the poor guy and he couldent do ANYTHING except to just die
Cus i had synthetic skin and he did not 😎

[limber hull]

tf is synthetic skin

[boreal swift]

the daytime speed boost thing

its nuts

[lapis swallow]

photosynthetic tissue

[limber hull]

oh yea i have no idea why they added a speed boost thing

[boreal swift]

thats the one

[lapis swallow]

so you can be a 73 kmh galli

[radiant nest]

Galli currently gets kicked for speed hacking if you boost while having photo tissue

[lapis swallow]

oh, this is why I kept getting kicked

[radiant nest]

Yes lol

[limber hull]

also movement speed boosts literally can be mistaken for speed hacking

which is uh... not great

[lapis swallow]

hacking can be hiden as a speedboost

[limber hull]

exactly

double whammy of "maybe this isn't a good idea"

[lapis swallow]

the server would need to be able to track mutations to discover speed hackers

[limber hull]

its literally making it harder to find hackers

[lapis swallow]

@hard blade looks legit

[hard blade]

Do you think it's legal to use hacking tools?

[lapis swallow]

obviously

How can using unfair hacking tools not be legal?

I cant think of a singular point

[hard blade]

Okay, you're right.

[urban flax]

It's actually only illegal in South Korea
In other countries it's fine

[hard blade]

OK, let them continue to slaughter the residents of the isle

[mystic parcel]

@limpid breach herreras cause fatal errors. Sadly shouldn't play it rn

[limpid breach]

I’ve gotten fatal errors not playing Herrera aswell and also being no where near them

I know that they make u fatal error more but they should fix that, kinda ridiculous how u can’t even play a Dino and it’s taking them very long to fix it.

[barren zephyr]

At the same time they’re also working on other parts of the game right, not easy to maintain so many things at once

[limpid breach]

I know I’m not saying they can just fix it right away, but it seems like it’s been a long time since it started to become an issue is all.

[mystic parcel]

That's true but honestly the main focus should be fatal error. What's causing the game to not be playable. Though I believe they are focusing on it rn. It's just hard to figure out the cause

[mystic parcel]

I do know stegos new tail swing also causes issues. Well for me so far. Usually big lag spikes but did cause a fe once

[queen mortar]

@hard blade what is that screenshot? is that yours?

[hard blade]

@hard bladeno

[mystic parcel]

What kinda question is that

[queen mortar]

weirder things have happened

[hard blade]

This is a screenshot I got from other channels

[mystic parcel]

Ik lol

[queen mortar]

do you have the post link?

[hard blade]

This is a Chinese computer software, similar to discord

[mystic parcel]

Why would a Hacker post feedback about fixing hacking issues

[hard blade]

Yes, I am also curious why he asked me this question

[queen mortar]

gotcha

[hard blade]

What's the meaning

[queen mortar]

i thought you meant it was posted here, and i thought i recalled you saying before that you have used hacks to try and find hackers or something, idk

@mystic parcel is confusing the issue a bit, i'm just trying to get information

[barren zephyr]

Wait is easypoll the hacker cuz uhh

[queen mortar]

not what i'm saying

[hard blade]

Have I ever said these words?

[queen mortar]

i thought you have, idk, i'm not judging

i thought you said before you used them to identify them or something

[hard blade]

No, I hate these hackers so much that I won't do that.

[queen mortar]

it makes sense that you would get it from a Chinese software, i get it now

it belongs to someone else, you're just reposting it, i wasn't sure

[weak breach]

Is there a FPS bug or glitch going around because getting 90fps with a 4090 shouldn’t be a thing currently suffering constant 40fps with a 3060ti

[queen mortar]

i usually have to hit "Apply" on my settings when i log in, and it fixes itself

i've also heard people say if you tinker with DLSS it can help, if that is available to you

like setting DLSS, then turning it off

[weak breach]

I’d have to check that so it is a bug/glitch?

[queen mortar]

yeah some bug with performance/settings being set, but hitting apply for me seems to set them back to normal, and i go from like 30-40fps to 70-80

[hidden mist]

Worth noting, currently you need to hit "Apply" 2 times. Firstly, in the menu when you launch the game (for me it solves the DLSS screen flinching bug), then, after you log onto any server (I noticed some settings aren't applied in the first time you do that in menu, f. e. "Shadows Smoothing" one).

[weak breach]

You legends yea that does fix it really weird bug went from 40fps back to 120

[queen mortar]

🫡

[candid plinth]

Does anyone have a counter to stego?

[desert arch]

All pouncers and deino

Stego has a really hard time fighting off quick and agile things like omni and troodon, and deino can just 1 shot it.

[candid plinth]

Fix your stegos devs, please, Shouldnt be able to one shot a cera when its only juvie and sub

[bronze matrix]

if the whole vomit stun tactic is still a thing in horde test, ceras can kill them easily

[candid plinth]

i said that in the gen feedback

[candid plinth]

Ceras can NOT beat a stego

especially not a fg one

[desert arch]

If it 1 shot ur fg cera it had to be mutiple tons

[bronze matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E7DXOpeI3c&t=0s

[candid plinth]

it was a sub

as well as a juvie

[bronze matrix]

that being said idk if the whole vomit stun mechanic is still a thing

[desert arch]

Vomit sickness stunlock goes hard

[candid plinth]

the juvie 1 shotted my friend

[candid plinth]

they just chase you away

[hidden mist]

I saw one adult cera on the free admin server who killed an adult stego with ease. Now in HT I suppose that's impossible, because stegos can still swing their tails while out of stamina.

[candid plinth]

you cant bite

[desert arch]

Your friend was fully grow right?

[candid plinth]

close

we were both very close

[desert arch]

Did the stego charged its attack before?

Like raising its tail

[candid plinth]

for maybe a second

[desert arch]

Was it a headshot?

[candid plinth]

no

no where near the head for both of us

probably a tail hit, or close to bodty

[desert arch]

That stego had to be at least 2.8 tons minimum for it to be able to 1 shot your friend, assuming they were exactly 1 ton in weight

[candid plinth]

nerf stego

its unhuntable from everything but troos omni and deino

[tight iron]

it is unhuntable rn

the hitbox is so frickin bugged it hits you while pouncing

only deinos can murk it rn

[candid plinth]

exactly

I died to a stego one time bc it whacked the air as omni

[desert arch]

Idk man, it was 3x your size or more, it should hit you hard

[candid plinth]

it shouldnt, it should be huntable

[cyan flame]

Depends on by what, there's this idea that stego should be huntable by things it really shouldn't

[candid plinth]

stego SHOULD be able to be hunted by a pack of raptors, dilos, troos, and ceras

but guess what, none of those dinos can hunt them, even in a pack

[cyan flame]

Most of them rely on speed and agility, things stego should be good vs. Ceras shouldn't even be hunting that much, and troodons should by no means hunt things that large. Dilos weren't really "meant" to be a punch up predator, and while omnis do have a case for punch up, they're also hunting the one critter designed for flank defense, as an animal that attacks the flanks.

[candid plinth]

Stego is still too dangerous

[cyan flame]

Not really. But I'll wait and see what happens when rex comes out, I'll expect all the things you mentioned to hunt it as well, because if they are meant to hunt stego, rex should be no exception.

[candid plinth]

Yes but they need to nerf steg until rex comes out, and name all threats to the stego, there is none

[cyan flame]

Stego has been nerfed until it got the rekit, to be fair. And it has been far more huntable than people claim, and probably still is, people just aren't used to how it works now.

Same with dibble, it's probably not fully balanced, and it's a new critter, so hard to tell in just a few days how well it will work out

[mystic parcel]

I mean how big was the sub. Cerato only takes 1.30hrs to grow that sub could've been already 3.0 hrs in growth. And was the 1 shot their new main charge attack?

[marsh bough]

Lmao we try 😅 i remember you btw we played together one time 🙂

[mystic parcel]

Stego doesn't need a nerf but the new charge attack hit box is way off for whatever reason. They just need to fix the hitbox issue

[desert arch]

I already did the math. The stego had to be minimum 2.8tons, assuming their friend was around 1 ton

[mystic parcel]

Srry I don't pay attention to weightxgrowth 😅. At 2.5 tons how long would they have been growing

[desert arch]

around 2ish hours

[mystic parcel]

Ah yea fair enough that they'd get 1 shot if it's the new attack it has

[worldly remnant]

@flat jetty its in the game for deino only, agree, should be on all dino.

[flat jetty]

Sadge... checking my screenshots rn it was such a nice touch, imagine how it would look on dibbles? Walking hippos :c

[weak breach]

Not to start chaos but if you get stabbed with a 3 foot or longer spike straight in the face or chest do you think you are surviving that? Especially if you aren’t full grown

[tight iron]

yessir you were very helpful

caught that cera body denying in 4k and told him to return LOL

[faint folio]

I think they mean the stego is juvi or sub, cera is fg.

Although, unless they changed health, cera has about 1300 HP last I heard? Which means a stego of any age can't one shot (again assuming old damage value of 1000) unless it's a headshot. Assuming headshot with 1.5 multiplier, stego would need to do 866 damage with tail swing to kill... Reasonable for sub at least.

What's stego's new power swing damage value?

[weak breach]

Not too sure what the power swing would be I do know that the base dmg of a stego from 30% and up can defend itself from pretty much anything and everything

With exceptions of the deino of course

[tight iron]

@mild isle deinos suck balls on land and there's many safe spots

[mild isle]

safe spots where?

[tight iron]

uh pretty much everywhere

[mild isle]

There was this croc that has managed to get into every pond in the map, it's possible

[tight iron]

in water access there's a small pond connected to the lake that can't be accessed without being seen

in east plains there's a place that's too shallow for a croc to make it in time unless he knows the long lunge thing (very few do)

^^ same in northeast plains

and same in the highlands lake

the swamp is absolutely filled with ponds so shallow that no deino can get in without being seen

south plains is pretty much the exception tho, theres not really a safe spot over there

this place has a croc 1% of the time

[mild isle]

Yeah I've heard of some of those, didn't know there was that many, but I tend to only stay near west rail and I've seen a handful of crocs in that pond and now they're in west rail beach

[tight iron]

i understand

i don't believe there's a safe spot in that lake

been there like infinite times and never seen a proper spot

never seen a croc there either so

probably will begin seeing them with the saltwater mutation

the water is pretty clear over there tho so you can try seeing if there's a croc

[mild isle]

sadly I don't think you can see them at the beach when it's night rip

[tight iron]

yeahhhhhh i dont think that's possible

i read "while it's in terrain"

damn it

but yeah i mean there are no other semi-aquatics yet

[mild isle]

won't be for a while, I think the issue will be fixed if they start adding ocean dinos to compete with it

or js other water dinos in general that compete

[tight iron]

spino i believe will be able to grab it and megabonk it

[knotty solar]

@fading shadow its built to be defensive I would say the spawns need to be fixed yes but the animal itself is fine.

@opaque inlet

sorry had to find your ping lol

anyways, I do agree but I also disagree the reason I say that is I love that the devs want it to be played that way I myself enjoy it but yes all players care about is fighting and I agree nesting should be fixed to be fair no one uses it and hay maybe if someone had a nesting code they could skip Q but that would mean players would spawn in and die just to skip Q that's what sucks but idk what else they could do.

[tight iron]

people would spawn in and kill themselves tho

[knotty solar]

I said that

[tight iron]

oh im blind

[knotty solar]

lol

[faint folio]

They can't do that anyways. The whole reason there's a queue is because the servers can only communicate with so many clients (players) at a time without lagging. You can raise the player count by getting server hardware that can manage more clients in the same amount of time, or by just accepting that the server performance is gonna tank. I believe there is a few reserved spots so admins can't get locked out of servers.

You could similarly reserve some spots for eggs, but that would reduce the normal player slots available, and the egg slots would quickly fill... Leading to the queue again

[tight iron]

there are actually no reserved spots

admins have to wait for the queue just like all of us

[proven geyser]

so what do we all think about mutations that increase damage and buff the ability to attack more like stamina buffs

[valid brook]

@blissful quartz Please go read the pinned comments in #evrima-na fow now though. i will let the team know of your report

[blissful quartz]

thank you

[solid belfry]

Whats the benefits to nesting with mutations now?

[opaque inlet]

I am making a bug report on this but in order to paste th image I had to put it somewhere so I am putting it here

Basically I had my 3rd mutation ready on Teno, left it to drink saltwater until I threw up, then opened to get my mutation and there are no mutation options

[icy lion]

Are you at 100% growth? Also you need to drink waaaay more salt water than that

[opaque inlet]

Yeah 100% growth, in fact the new mutation appeared right at 100%

Well, I didn't know how much I needed so I just was gonna check to see if it was there

[lofty swallow]

Why is the day night cycle goin crazy on na4

[zinc mesa]

It's usually only when you log in

[quaint plank]

call me crazy but whats the point of a diet systrem that impacts growing if no ai spawns and since your growing you cant kill other players on your diet since your small and scavenging is horrdenous since all the people gather at one or 2 spots so whenever you go for a body someone kills youi

[lofty swallow]

No it’s been doing it for almost 30 min. And even still after this reset.

[trim wren]

Alright, after earliers major heartache in losing my deino, WE START AGAIN!

[lofty swallow]

Yeah I’m uninstalling. The mix pack bs. ..sever restarts killing my adults Dino’s. WASTE OF TIME.

[quaint plank]

can sum1 help me with getting my diet no ai spawns and whenever i scavenge i get killed its either starve or grow but with no diet

[steady imp]

You pass them to your kids- strengthen you and yours- if u have friends on often you can just perpetually breed and get super dinos

[steady imp]

Stamina buffs would be awesome- or stam depletion reduction

[lofty swallow]

Any admin in to come get us out of the rocks we are stuck in?

[azure ruin]

Have you tried /unstuck ?

[lofty swallow]

Nothing lol

[azure ruin]

Oof, idk if this is the right place to ask for help when it comes to being stuck.

[lofty swallow]

I’ve posted all over and haven’t heard anything. Just getting real tired of my time being wasted lol

[brave kelp]

where do u get ahold of a dev to catch a hacker

or do they support hacking

[limber hull]

that's a stupid question lol

[brave kelp]

uh they dont respond in game whatsoever dude i promise and the full grown cerra has speed hacks against a carno and me a full grown omni which is obviously faster i wastched him lagg foward as omnis chatted that hes a hacker

[limber hull]

it literally tells you they don't publically say when they're going after the hacker because otherwise it alerts the hacker right there lol

[brave kelp]

yeah but when i want thier attention in game do they actually come

im in que to try and call one over if the ceras havent left but hes been on half the day im just finding out he has speed hacks and 2 hit me

<@&505047238674874368> ca central server na. Lyrsz is the ingame name

[dim pagoda]

are we allowed to @ the devs?

[limber hull]

generally, no

[latent olive]

check the very first rule

[knotty wyvern]

@zenith python hahaha sorry we posted the same thing at the same time LOL

[zenith python]

oh my bad i didnt see XD

[knotty wyvern]

no ur so fine, will drive our point home ig LOL

[zenith python]

yea lmao

[worldly remnant]

#gateway-screenshots message

[flat jetty]

I’m confused so it doesn’t work on some species of what? I have tried with carno, dibble nothing happens

[worldly remnant]

i just found it in screenshots and it seems some species have it others dont then

@mystic parcel no, because it's a matter of people and their priorities what to test etc. There is people less interested in Stego or Diablo and test Mutations with different species or try to find more secret mutations. We dont know how long the HT will last

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @valid zephyr

2000kg, and its missing sparring (the reason its agility is so poo). it'll get better :P

also teno is a little bit undersized for its weight

(don don bo bon mentioned its supposed to be smaller)

[limber hull]

im honestly glad it weighs 2 tons because goddamn did it look weird weighing less than teno

[wooden agate]

based and accurate

[limber hull]

although i dont really get the damage nerf lol

especially considering it was only 25

[flat jetty]

They buffed Diablo weight?

Last I checked it was 1500? Or 1300

[limber hull]

it was 1500

[steady imp]

Play an unofficial server for active admin

[valid zephyr]

tenonto size and weight not too bad in relation to each other

of course both are way higher than irl tenonto

but 1.5 ton dibble in a 3 ton body was really jarring

like it was a balloon

[limber hull]

i dont think it looks 3tons, but its pretty fitting as 2 tons

[flat jetty]

Idk how people would react if they wouldn’t downgrade the diablos size, some people just need an excuse to complain

It looks fitting for its size, it was a hippo.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

@inland vigil they dont have to be on your diet for you to eat em, plus if you are fighting them for diet then organs are there, but it'll only probs get one of you on perf diet

[inland vigil]

It's still annoying for them to show as meat and not diet

[wooden agate]

so add everything to everythings diet lol

[spice orbit]

#general-feedback message
@ebon elbow turn down master volume and increase sfx

[inland vigil]

?? Diet is for animals that would realistically eat other animals

[wooden agate]

exactly

omni and dilo arent really meant to be going after one another, omni's are meant to be punching up heavily and dilos are moreso meant to be going after things in the 1200kg-1800kg zone at night in a smallish pack

they can, sure. and you can still get diet from each others organs, but idk about adding them to each others diets

[hollow crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22tVWwmTie8&ab_channel=EminemVEVO
@wooden agate

[wooden agate]

i am not listening to eminem in 2024

[worldly remnant]

@hollow crown i'd like that MZ provides tons of foot for everyone and herds especially. Outside of the MZ you should still find food and Ai, sparse but possible to survive. you may wont get perfect diet but can make a living. Going MZ would mKe things easier, but also more risky.

[inland vigil]

I'd love to see raptors punching up, but a lot of the time the pounce is quite buggy and you end up dead. It's easier to go after smaller dinos. Dilos also deal with raptors rather well using their alt bite and venom, raptors end up getting bodied by dilos often. I just think both of them should be able to eat each other, especially maybe to replace one of the ai on dilo diet- dilo can for some reason entirely support its diet on ai. That isn't good

[wooden agate]

they can eat each other though

[inland vigil]

I know 🤦 look, I was nesting as dilo, raptors attacked us. We killed them all. Our babies could not eat them for any diet because the organs rotted so quickly

It would just be nice to be able to . You know. Eat them

[wooden agate]

hold e on them

if we start using situational circumstances to justify something being on anothers diet, things become wonky

[inland vigil]

You're being irrational about this for whatever reason so I'm going to leave this conversation please don't ping me anymore !! Ty

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/mhmm-baroness-emma-thompson-cruella-yup-gif-21151879

[limber hull]

i fail to see the irrationality lol

[wooden agate]

because i wasnt being irrational, i just dont think situational circumstance should be used to try and justify something being on anothers diet. it should depend on the animals niche, which is what it does rn.

using the excuse "well i couldnt eat x as y because it wasnt as my diet, so add it to my diet!" creates the issue of... well, why not having everything on everything's diet?

im a Carnotaurus (small game hunter) and i could not eat this Parasaurolophus (4 tons) due to it not being on my diet, pls add to diet

(ignore the fact you can eat the organs for diet and eat the actual creature for food still)

[hollow crown]

i agree with that

[inland vigil]

What I felt was irrational was telling me to press e on a body when I was clearly talking about diet. It came off condescending since I have over a thousand hours on this godforsaken game lmao. But genuinely I just do not like discussing suggestions I make- I have this channel muted and off my list for a reason. If you don't agree you're totally free to react with an x, that's fine, I just don't really want to go through the discussion when a lot of the members of this discord are quick to make snarky comments. I don't appreciate it nor see it as rational and respectful discussion, so I grew a little sensitive toward things like that

I apologize for getting snippy back though. You're not being irrational in your debate, I just disliked that single comment. I probably should have been more clear

Anywho sorry for bad blood, I'm at work so I really don't need to be focusing on this lawl have a good day

[jagged sleet]

#general-feedback message

But wouldn't that just make it so instead of doing more damage, a possible troll will just take less from you and that would require you to get that mutation anyway due to them still having the advantage if you don't also have it? I would personally just opt for that kind of skill to be removed entirely.

@rotund hazel

[barren crater]

Just remove those mutations lol

[limber hull]

^

both create unfair advantages in the matchup, and while the damage resist is certainly better than extra damage done, they both kinda suck

[jagged sleet]

Yeah I just don't like feeling like I need to get those buffs just in case, cause I can certainly use those mutation slots for more versatile bonuses.

[limber hull]

^

boring to be locked into a meta, always

[rotund hazel]

Yeah I'd like all unfair combat advantages to go, I just also figured if the devs don't want to shorten the list or scrap mutations entirely, having defense mutations instead of damage ones would be the less of two evils

[crude girder]

Worth noting, this isn't actually correct

Teno's weight is right for its size, but its size was pushed up compared to what it originally was

#isle-discussion message < stated there

[rotund hazel]

On that same subject, if combat mutations are here to stay, they need a downside. "Increased damage but decreased speed" "Increased defense but decreased night vision range" that kind of stuff. Things that make you think hard about what you're willing to lose for that advantage

[ancient zenith]

Idk I feel like you could also have the combat mutations locked behind like somthing that you need to do like get the finishing blow on a dino that’s bigger then you 30 times and you would get a resistance to damage from somthing that’s bigger then you

Like locked behind having to actually play the game instead of just getting the mutations and waiting till full grown you can only choose ones that aren’t combat ones and the combat ones can only be unlocked through combat

Or even just lock all mutations behind the way you play like if your playable sits a lot you get a mutation that deceases speed but you need less food and water to survive or if you run around a lot you get better stam but worse defense or somthin like that

[bronze matrix]

Personally I don't get the dislike about combat mutations because

• metas will pop up even without combat mechanics. Videos will come up about the optimal survival mutations and everybody is going to take them. That's always what happens if you can pick and choose abilities/buffs.
• "fair fights" are a weird way to view encounters in a survival game. Idc if those matchups are "fair" otherwise I would not use herrera to insta kill targets that don't see it coming or go on juvi hunts as troodon or kill afk players.
• If the game loop is in (which probably is about staying alive and reaching elder), fights become more optional. If people want to fight, they can seek out hotspots and off themselves there but others might prioritize non combat mutations to survive better outside of hotspots.

As long as mutations (combat or non combat) are not game breaking there is no issue there.

[indigo gulch]

@junior kite are you talking about herbivore campers or carnivore ones?

[latent olive]

@umbral quail I hate to agree (after being the mother of a nest and getting killed by a juvenile Diablo) that it’s rather broken like that, but it’s very fun at least as troodon

but yes, shouldn’t be able to do that

[umbral quail]

thanks it not perfect but i prefer this game not become farming mutations

[north quiver]

big disagree on everything said here

• while metas are very hard to avoid, some are fine. general survival meta combinations are fine, and they won’t be the same for each species. a coastal dino will benefit from being able to drink salt water more than a dino that barely visits places close to the ocean. a teno may benefit from a water drain mutation, while a stego would not benefit as much and be inclined to pick something else (though could still choose it if they don’t want to deal with water as much). combat mutations encourage a meta, and it punishes those that don’t choose the meta when they come across others that have.

• There will absolutely be unfairness in the game, and that’s unavoidable, but actively pushing away from fair balancing creates insane issues like DoD or BoB. If you cannot fight, you should be able to outrun/escape (in a general sense and not looking at say a fresh spawn stego vs a fg carno). If you cannot outrun/escape, you should be able to fight. Combat mutations affect that pivotal role of balance, as they affect speed, damage, damage taken, etc. and actively punish anyone not choosing those mutations

• Elders will actually encourage people leaning more into the meta, as those are the mutations that will better help them survive. Your biggest threat is other players. Survival has been pretty easy and possible without the other QoL mutations. The moment someone of the same species sees you and has a meta build such as speed + damage dealt + damage taken, it’s over. Because you didn’t take that meta combat built. All of your progress for elder is lost, and you have no say in it. The moment a teno with that meta build sees a cera, it’s over for that cera from the delicate speed balance. The moment cera with that meta build sees that teno that doesn’t, it’s over for that teno. All progress gone.

(and while a solo cera still may not be able to win that teno fight depending on skill level of both parties, it’s a guaranteed unfair death if the cera has a packmate. Reminder that cera is supposed to be a scavenger, not a big hunter that can chase things down with ease)

[bronze matrix]

First like I said: "as long as mutations are not game breaking" which means that if there is a situation in which a player has 0 chance against another with a certain mutation which usually has chances to beat it, than I am against that. I'm arguing with not game breaking mutations in mind. So keep that in mind.

• If combat mutations only offer a small percentages on certain combat relevant things, than players without those mutations can still win. It's not a mmorpg where you spam attacks with hit chances. A Teno making 5% more damage does not matter if the cera can easily outmaneuver it.
• Unfairness in combat is not just not unavoidable but something part of the survival experience. A single diablo encountering a group of 3 ceras and dying to them, is also "unfair" but only if you look at the encounter as seperat from every player choice the diablo or the ceras have made to that point. Maybe the diablo was not careful enough, tried to play it solo or was in known hotspot areas. Maybe the ceras were smart and went to a place where the chances of having an advantagous encounter was more probable. Same principle applies to no-combat-mut vs combat-mut.
• You see survival as combat but survival is also (like I said in the previous point) the avoidance of unfavorable conditions. I mean sure you might have a buff to 10% damage if the moon shines right but I have the ability to gain water from the rain or food making me less reliant to go to drinking spots which then reduces the probability of me running into a dangerous semi aquatic which then means that I might have a better shot at elder than you.

[night raptor]

I saw someone talk about The Isle's roadmap in #general-feedback. Is there a different roadmap site i dont know about or did everyone get access to the one on Trello? Because I can't seem to have access to see the future update plans.

[radiant nest]

#isle-phase-three message

[night raptor]

okay i see. thank you

[radiant nest]

[void orchid]

@worldly remnant are you wanting more storm than we currently have?

[north quiver]

If percentages are small enough to not give the advantage to elevate chances of winning a considerable amount to the picker of the mutation, it might as well be considered bloat to the mutation choices and be removed anyways because they won’t be really useful. If they do mess with chances of winning, then they also need to be removed because it’s messing with the current balance and creating artificial advantages.

Both ways, the combat mutations need to go.

[bronze matrix]

"If they do mess with chances of winning, then they also need to be removed because it’s messing with the current balance and creating artificial advantages." What does artificial mean to you?
And have you considered that yes they might have an advantage in combat but a player who takes in place of the combat mutation another "equally powerful" non-combat mutation has an advantage in another area of the game? Should those mutations go too?

[north quiver]

Artificial to me is changing the base stats that were premade for balance.

Combat mutations are immediate advantages. Yea a non combat mutation could potentially be considered equally powerful in another way, but combat mutations give immediate results. Sure, as a teno for example, you could avoid deinos more often with water mutations and have a less chance of dying than a teno going for a canni build, but at the end of the day, you’re still dying to that teno with the canni build without a say in the matter if it sees you and wants to kill you. With deinos, you can simply travel to a farther water source to more safely drink.

Combat mutations are just.. not a good idea. They affect the balance between the same species and other species. I’m very disappointed they were even implemented in the first place I was hoping they’d purely be QoL and avoid base stat manipulation

[bronze matrix]

meh i don't like this sort of base stat manipulation neither
it's just way too "videogamy" for me like those buffs in an mmorpg

I'm just not that much against those combat mutations 🤷‍♂️
getting 5% more damage or 20% less hunger drain is equally off for me

also the balance argument is kinda off imo since this game is changing every month it feels like
balance is more an argument when all the playables & mechanics are introduced

[bronze matrix]

Also I think the point about immediate vs not immediate is a good point. Players do notice immediate benefits / drawbacks better than not immediate ones which is a good argument against those combat mutations. In the end from a players perspective it's never really about the actual "value" but more about the perceived one.

[valid zephyr]

@violet vessel completely agree. being able to sprint and power swing is kinda wtf.

it's made stego way more opressive to the current roster, while providing nothing to stop it being rex/trike fodder later on

[violet vessel]

Yeah idk what the devs were cooking when they added it. Stego was already untouchable before this.

[cyan flame]

Run at rex, smack rex, use stun to smack again or escape. As opposed to stand and let rex get within strike range and then try and survive.

And it really wasn't, stego was nowhere near untouchable. No idea why you would call it oppressive since the only critter that currently struggles would be dibble, and that's more so because dibble is very slow, for some reason

[tight iron]

oh boi

the amount of stego terrorism me and my raptor pack did was unreal

we wiped out an entire server for days

there were no stegos cause they knew what was coming

they stood no chance (not a flex btw)

well in fact imma be honest it was sad seeing them fall like flies

there was nothing they could do, just make their fate arrive later

[bronze matrix]

personally I don't think it's op or anything
it just feels off
doesn't fit the stego
Also even if it couldn't run during power swing, it could still escape a rex:
Rex get's close (close enough for you to hit but not for it to bite), you smack and stun it, run away or keep fighting

[valid zephyr]

run at rex, rex pins with one click, instikills.

[hidden mist]

So they fixed the bug which allowed stego to catch raptors on its side by powered swing?

[tight iron]

matter of fact, the only stegos there were were stegos with the same skin as the ones we had previously killed, who also ran away at the sight of our skins

... which makes me believe that only around 5 players were interested in playing stego after the whoopin they got, number that decreased all the way to 0

[cyan flame]

This I agree with. It is very strange that stego, a very defensively oriented animal, is meant to run at things and smite them. It feels like it's something trike would do, and even dibble kind of does (it has a running power attack sort of I think)

[cyan flame]

I imagine you're meant to, you know, hit the rex in the head before it can bite down on you... Will it work, no idea, but that's what it seems like

[tight iron]

so yeah stego was absolutely miserable at the time

however this mfer is untouchable rn smh

[bronze matrix]

lol

[cyan flame]

Lost my adult earlier to being jumped by a few subs while safe logging. To be fair, I should have left the area, but I didn't really expect the subs I had been migrating and playing with to decide to make my sleep permanent.

Probably should have seen it coming though

[valid zephyr]

people are insanely toxic in this game.

you can be playing with them for hours when they just randomly decide to give you a permanent nap

[opaque inlet]

I am just putting this image here so I can make a bug report on it, it's the saltwater drinking mutation disappearing after being acquired thing

[tight iron]

rip

[cyan flame]

Why stego should be a solitary critter!

[bronze matrix]

as a herrera and troodon main I never had a toxic player experience with my own species tbh
that might be just a canni carnivore and herb thing

[tight iron]

yus

[icy lion]

Known issue, drinking saltwater again should make it reappear

[valid zephyr]

herrea and troodon arn't too bad for canniboling

deino, cera, carno, and stego are the worst.

dibble seems worse than any of those, but that might be the hordetest.

[bronze matrix]

yeah the moment there are fewer dibbles around there will be less dibble on dibble murder
especially when more carnivores are out that can more efficiently hunt dibbles, dibble players might want to keep their numbers up

[valid zephyr]

doesn't help that dibble juvie has been made intentionally useless

its sprint animation is actually slowed down compared to the adult sprint animation

it makes legacy juvies look viable

if an aggro bigger dibble sees you, only option is tab out and do something else while you die

[worldly remnant]

its good if you use reabsorbtion and i generally like the rainforest atmosphere, soundlags should be worked on still.

[void orchid]

The constant sound of rain doesn’t bother you even when we have no volume slider for weather effects?

[desert arch]

A volume slider would be the worst way to deal with this issue though

[bronze matrix]

I GOT WITNESSED

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-fury-road-witness-gif-24567135

[steel field]

https://tenor.com/view/witness-me-madmax-witnessed-point-driving-gif-15794123

[opaque inlet]

Wow, you were actually the one who suggested the idea for the diet system? I had no idea it was even something from the feedback section

[bronze matrix]

no I didn't suggest the diet system
My suggestion was about using flowers to help herbivores keep their diet up

it's this one: https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1246804469782679564

[opaque inlet]

Ohhhh I see

[bronze matrix]

yeah :D

[opaque inlet]

@unreal river
I know there are too many of such feedback for me to tell all of them this but- I want to let you know that I think it's the stego's ping that is bad.

Testing on a PVP server with a friend in another part of the world, we've found the one with the worst ping is the one that is favored. If you are, say, a raptor, and you are running around - But, on the stego's screen, your raptor isn't moving at all, and if the stego hits your raptor on their screen - Then your raptor will get hit.

Ever noticed when you get pinned down by a raptor as something else, and the raptor is chewing you up a million miles away from you? But on that raptor's screen, you're underneath them and they hit you accurately.

Basically what hits register seems to depend at least somewhat on what the hitter sees.

This is why sometimes - for example - in Spiro when you could still face-pounce, a raptor would pounce a carno's face, and the carno bites. The raptor would latch onto the carno's side (on the raptor's screen he hit, so it registers), but then teleports off of the carno's side and into the carno's mouth (On the carno's screen, he bit the raptor, so it registers.) Because the carno had bad ping, the raptor might not teleport into his mouth for a couple of seconds.

You're still right and this is still a problem, and I would like to see it fixed

Especially because, some species are better at trading hits (like stego) and therefore inevitably benefit from having bad ping.

It's as simple as finding a server on the other side of the world and picking a high-health high-damage species to go as.

Carno also benefits from being low-ping, especially since he has the speed to pursue (which is still relevant to a degree even in bad ping situations) and raptors only benefit from high ping when they are bigger than their prey. (Letting them get silly pounces.)

[barren zephyr]

For Karma's post on General-Feedback, I can just imagine a carno pulling itself up with its tiny little "arms". Ik you said specifically dinos with longer arms, but i still can't get the thought out of my head

And Davud's post about 6 hours ago is so real. Just got murdered by another canni dibble. they were adult i was subadult. I was like, half their speed and therefore useless. They should make some sort of herbi debuff when a herb attacks one of it's own species. Ex: Dibble attacks another dibble. Aggro dibble gets a -50% damage debuff, -20% speed debuff, -10% stamina debuff. This only applies to the dibble who attacks first, the victim dibble recieves no debuffs or buffs. I'd say this maybe only applies on the third bite.

[unreal river]

I honestly never thought of the other persons ping 🤣🤣🤣 but very good explanation thank you

[mystic parcel]

u cant properly test stegos and dibbles stats propely in game when mutations are implamented as they affect the gameplay. ive seen so many ppl complain that stego is suddenly too fast (its the mutation) or that another dino is too strong (the mutation) so many complaints about a certain dino but forget that mutations are affecting the gameplay. if dibble and stego were released for the first week and THEN mutations a week later it wouldve helped understand more about dibbles play in the games "ecosystem"

[frail heath]

This could be alright except it could backfire in groups when attacking. Cause as an Omni I’ll slide between and have you both hit each other for that debuff

[zinc mesa]

What about special species specific mutation that can alter the play-style though alterations of stats/abilities

[limber hull]

would instantly create an obnoxious meta

[queen swift]

please please please make subs faster than adults of the same species.. it lakes me really not want to play the game when an adult of my same species kills me for no reason ( ex: Herbivores and non cabalistic carnivores ) and there's nothing I can do about it. you cant run you cant fight you cant hide. that kind of gameplay is just plain unfair to people who don't want to sit in the middle of a forest and hide/afk grow. after literal hours of my time and trying to make friends on this game, I cant play this anymore since every time I try to talk to someone whos bigger than me they decide to kill me after so much time spent growing the dino. Not being able to do anything to prevent the death of your dino that you spent real life hours ( when some of us work and don't have much time to spend this is a huge price....) trying to grow is the most fustration and anger ive ever felt in any game ive ever played. I honestly can say this game gives me more stress than its ever worth.

[full canopy]

are schooling fish just gone or do I just have the absolute worst luck ever?

[bitter otter]

Worst luck

[worldly remnant]

tbf i love it

[safe hearth]

I think you have to put this in general feedback channel, if you want to be hear and want to have "👍".

Are you playing on official Servers? Well there is the gameplay like: living for the kill. Each Creature trying to kill you. also if its nonsense to trying to kill you.

Rule Servers are the better option to trying making friends.
The Challenge is: finding a
Rule Server you like.
But should'nt be that hard
There are good one's out there.

[tight iron]

worst luck ever to exist

[prisma stump]

I wish the devs would focus more on adding dinosaurs to the game instead of humans, since that's what 90% of the players are here for.

[urban flax]

The person working on humans isn't the same as the ones who are working on dinos.
Besides, people who want to play humans are waiting for them to be added before they buy the game, of course they aren't a part of the playerbase right now
But believe me, there is lots of them

[limber hull]

I have SO many mates waiting on humans lol

It's actually insane how many of my friends want to play humans above all else

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message imo growth times should not be mega short but not also mega long like they are right now

but apexes taking 5 hours to grow... i have zero issues with that ngl

i only have issues with raptor, galli, troodon (primarily) growth times since they don't have gameplay at all till thye're big

[knotty wyvern]

Very fair, again my issue isn't just with growth times, it's moreso that there may not be much to do between stages beyond sitting and hiding for a lot of creatures. It doesn't really align with the fast-paced gameplay the rest of the game offers.

IMO at least :D

[hot crypt]

Human will be the scariest

[limber hull]

ikr

[hot crypt]

Really get a sense of how big the Dino’s are too

[urban flax]

The issue is that for example, deino only grows for the amount of time needed to grow 5 troodons... Yet it is MUCH more powerful than 5 troodons
Growth times ranges aren't wide enough

[tight iron]

can't make a deino 900 hours cause it's 900 times more powerful

just reasonable

how often do you die, why, why do you hunt, how do you hunt, what do you eat, how big are you, how powerful are you, etc

[urban flax]

Of course growth times shouldn't be made so extreme

But at this point it becomes imbalanced, because small tiers take way too long to grow compared to large dinos

[tight iron]

im guessing yeah

it's not something that you can really control tho that's the issue

[knotty wyvern]

Reducing troodon back to 45mins growth, for example, is a great idea to me. Troodons arent genuienly worth the 1hr 10 min growth when utah is just over that and significantly more enjoyable.

[tight iron]

30 mins

and raptor back to an hour or a bit more

galli a bit lower than a raptor

[bronze matrix]

i agree with 30 min at this state of the game but when the game offers more pve experiences for small troodons, a longer growth can be justified

[tight iron]

i have zero issues with it

when the game is fun for everyone at all stages i really don't care

but they adapted the growth times too early

[bronze matrix]

i agree

[tight iron]

it's not the best idea to make em way longer and not offer anything in return

otherwise you value your life way too much so you don't fight and just stay at hotspots all day long scavenging

• ofc kill juvies so they don't grow and kill you

and obviously afk grow

[knotty wyvern]

Thats the second part of my suggestion, long growth must be supported by interesting gameplay :)
Deino taking 5hrs or whatever to grow wouldn't be half as bad if there was more PvE. Fingers crossed for the future

[tight iron]

i actually enjoy every momnet of deino growth

small is a fun thing, big is a cool as heck thing

[knotty wyvern]

Yeah, it's not the worst, but you get what I mean.

Long growth good if gameplay is interesting, which it isn't for all creatures rn (stego coughing noises).

[tight iron]

yep

or ofc raptor noises

you are literally useless and have no fun till you are 70%

[bronze matrix]

yeah that's the thing apexes and mid tiers have an ok-ish juvi experience rn since they can engage with other players more but small carnivores are shafted in their juvi stage

[knotty wyvern]

Carno, Cera and Utah all struggle with boring, repetitive and overly high risk gameplay as juvies, which encourages AFK sit growing. I'd love to see more emphasis on younger life stages in this game.

[tight iron]

yeah

[tight iron]

they're doing that already but to make it actually enjoyable you first have to add fun things and then extend growth times

and ofc make them reasonable or ppl get really mad

or well frustrated at least

[knotty wyvern]

Yeah. As a full time honours student with 2 jobs, i loathe the idea that the 8hr apex sit growth times may return.

[tight iron]

so bad idea to extend em first and idk 1 year later make it fun

actually not 1 year later probably like 6 months

[knotty wyvern]

It'd be different if it was an enjoyable time because then you're still playing the game rather than what is basically waiting out a timer.

[tight iron]

if it's a rex i would do like 6, maybe 6 and a half

sauropods around 9 hours

extending your growth in sessions is actually enjoyable imo

small sessions of 1-2 hours just doing stupid things around

like me taking 5 days to grow a deino in the highlands lake lmao

[knotty wyvern]

Oh, definitely, provided it's not the type of growth gameplay the isle is showing atm.

[bronze matrix]

I mean I can see Apexes like Rex having different types of gameplay experiences at each growth stage filling different niches and competing with different carnivores

so i wouldn't be too worried about those apexes getting long growth times to be honest

[knotty wyvern]

Yea, the issue is much moreso for med-small tiers.

This suggestion was one I really enjoyed, adding more non-lethal maintenance tasks is a great idea to me.

[bronze matrix]

yeah I like it and I think they are going to do something like that in the future (?)
but don't quote me on that

[knotty wyvern]

Yeah i've heard of it, but sad to see it hasn't been a priority.

[tight iron]

infections would be crazy imo

but sharpening your claws on rocks n stuff would be absolutely great imo

[knotty wyvern]

Fr, infections are a bit much but I like the general span of the suggestion

[tight iron]

not crazy like oh my gosh i love it but crazy like oh boi

would be fun probs

[knotty wyvern]

You could add infections onto the idea of "if you don't maintain yourself (through the proposed tasks like sharpening horns), when damaged, you'll be more susceptible to infection".

[tight iron]

perhaps

and ofc wounds would get infected n stuff

[knotty wyvern]

Would really add to the survival mechanics and move the game a bit more away from the pure PvP vibe it has lately.

[tight iron]

that for example would stop fights to the death

instead of removing the frickin heart

[tight iron]

or to near death

cause whoops you can get an infection if you keep going

[knotty wyvern]

Definitely, make backing away in a fight/hunt a more possible option. Everything is to the death atm, hence the almost arena pvp-like gameplay issue.

[bronze matrix]

i personally like infections but the player base would riot probably

[knotty wyvern]

Mhmm, its a shame because the general player base sees The Isle as more of a battle-royal than a survival game. Not that it's the players fault for that, it's a flaw in the game's design that has been around since day one.

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

Shameless plug

[knotty wyvern]

Oooo reads

[bronze matrix]

good suggestion tho

[knotty wyvern]

Yea love that Bubulblu

[bronze matrix]

imo infections would also need to incorporated with the bile mechanic of the cerato
like everybody could take infections but being bitten by a cerato with bile is worse (idk ?)

[knotty wyvern]

Yea it'd work well for cerato for sure. Having infections and not seeking out medicine could make you more vulnerable to venoms as well possibly.

[bronze matrix]

had a suggestion regarding that too: https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1241337597524185119
(my turn shameless plugging)
i do like the idea of the health cap reduction by bubulblu more tho

[urban flax]

In my mind cerato's bile is more like transmitting plague
But yeah, it'd make more sense as a part of the infection system

[urban flax]

Hm I didn't vote on this back then
The system sounds fine, but very complex

[bronze matrix]

yeah fair point

[knotty wyvern]

@vital laurel I believe this iteration of Sparring is a major WIP from what I read, so I imagine itll be getting big polishes

[vital laurel]

That’s why I’m giving feedback…

[knotty wyvern]

I'm not saying don't post, just added for everyone's info as ik some ppl missed that part :>

[fading shadow]

@vital laurel what’s the block mode

[vital laurel]

RMB, its to block CC iirc

[fading shadow]

Does it actually block damage

[vital laurel]

no but it can block carno and stuff

pachy too i think, idk its all still kinda in discovery

@slim halo i think its more that MZs are poorly done rather than that the concept is bad

also MZs arnt finished, food will spawn all over the map later during some periods iirc

[slim halo]

We both agree, it's the fact it's the only option for food with this giant map and terrain walls makes me want me to rip out my haaaiiirrr, it should've been organized beforehand imo

[icy lion]

@buoyant dove Planned, may arrive in this hordetest

[inland vigil]

#general-feedback message why are people thumbing this down when its literally a planned feature 😭

[dull perch]

@bitter otter not denying that some migration zones are a quite far from one another, but I do think most of your post is simply due to the fact of the sheer diablo overpopulation and their refusal to kill each other on mass for food especially when other herbs also inhabit these zones and eat the same plants.

[urban flax]

Because they don't like it

[icy lion]

@tender latch Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[tender latch]

It's okay the guys I was with clipped it and handled it I believe

Main point wasn't actually hackers but the "Lots of people in one place low FPS" thing
I probably should have left it as that because everyone already knows about the hacker problem

[karmic dust]

People always but always pointing down my feedbacks when l tell deinosuchus is not fit for this kind of map and cant able to do be fun to play like in old map. Because most of the Players find deinosuchus boring and unnecessary now. Okey just delete it from the game then guys looks like thats what all you want.

l think even developers think that way too. if they wasn't they didn't make lake design this bad for deinosuchus. l am telling this like a 1000 times that deinosuchus is unplayable in this map design.

just delete it from the game or make it playable it's not that hard

[cyan flame]

It is playable though? Is it a hard life for deino, yes. Should it be so, yes, you're a pseudoapex, you're meant to not have a good/easy time. It's not unreasonable for a deino to have to migrate on land, if it wants to get to various places. Even less so now with mutations to help it, as long as it does not run into something that can and will fight it while it's vunerable.

[karmic dust]

did you ever play deinosuchus in old map how was it then ?

better right ?

why? Because lake deisgn was better

[cyan flame]

I did play it quite a bit on Spiro, yes. And no, I wouldn't say it was better, since every river had deinos, and a whole lot of them at that most often.

[indigo gulch]

Because I think it's unnecessary.

[indigo gulch]

I mean ''better''

[cyan flame]

What lakes? Or are we talking about different maps?

[karmic dust]

no l mean water ways

river

[indigo gulch]

look im not gonna say I don't miss being able to get everywhere easily as a deino, but it DID cause actual clan wars where deinos just ran through the whole river system and killed everyone on sight and the people that WERENT in clans stood 0 chance to survive.

[cyan flame]

Alright, just making sure. And sure, you could travel everywhere as deino, but I'm not sure that's good. I think there should be deino free areas too, more or less.

[indigo gulch]

to be fair, there are plenty of safe spaces to drink with minimum risk of getting grabbed by a deino

[karmic dust]

old map's river design was way to better from this one that all l try to say

[urban flax]

The old map's river design ?
Spiro's river design ?
WIth the single square river ?

[karmic dust]

yes

this one is just better for land dinos that all

cause you dont get catched by deino

[urban flax]

So it's better for the entire roster except deino
Which means it's... better

Spiro entirely catered to the existence of deino without taking any other playable into account

[karmic dust]

bro thats kinda the point water should be dangerous

[karmic dust]

okey bro just delete the deino then

[urban flax]

There is a difference between water being dangerous and every waterways having a dozen of FG deinos at all times

[urban flax]

Deino is still perfectly viable

[karmic dust]

no there was a lot of good spot for drinking at isla sparo too they was not %100 safe but mostly safe

thats how it must be

[indigo gulch]

while I agree with that point, I also don't think the old spiro waterway is the way to go.

[karmic dust]

anyway bro you just keep playing land dinos and hating from deino l dont think l can explain it to you

[indigo gulch]

he's not wrong tho, it's just not as easy as it was

[karmic dust]

it wasnt that easy

[indigo gulch]

aside from the clan wars, it kinda was

[karmic dust]

but you cant tell me deino is fun to play right now ?

beacuse it is cleary not

[cyan flame]

True, but they're only really "safe" until people figure out you can ambush drinking critters from land at those spots

[indigo gulch]

it entirely depends where I spawn

[indigo gulch]

critters yes. But critters dont really fill you up

[cyan flame]

I meant as in other playables, and that while they might be safe from deino at those spots, they won't be safe from the raptors waiting, or an allo hunting in that area, since they'd know "this is where people drink"

Which in turn means, deino could possibly kill steal, even at safe drinking spots

[karmic dust]

verry fun right stealing kill 😄

[tight iron]

it is almost a fact at this point

[karmic dust]

waiting at one single drinking point on land while dying from dehidration

[tight iron]

this map is not made for deinos

[karmic dust]

thats what l say man thank you

[tight iron]

i dont think theres any discussion about it

this map aint made to fit deinos everywhere but in small spaces which you can easily avoid

period

i havent been lunged by a deino in months

well honestly i have been lunged just not drowned

cause i bait em out of the water and kill them

but thats a whole different story

i completely gave up on playing deino on delta after needing to desperately get some food over 15 times

and the hunger decay time is 90 minutes

now i only play deino in highlands cause it's practically the only place where you're gonna succeed

[karmic dust]

thanks for explain it this easy. People who dont even play deino saying l am wrong makes me crazy

[indigo gulch]

that's an assumption and a half

[tight iron]

im sure they do play deino, but not too much

[karmic dust]

l have over 500 hours in old map

[tight iron]

before figuring out that raptor is perfect for me, i used to main deino

[indigo gulch]

I need to see how the saltwater mutations works out

[karmic dust]

l think l should know better

[tight iron]

i would just sit without moving for as long as needed

guess how many ppl i found around? barely anyone

[tight iron]

half an hour, even more if needed

just sitting still waiting and waiting

one gets tired of waiting when absolutely nothing comes tho

[indigo gulch]

to be fair, that just sounds like ''good ol' times''

[tight iron]

by hours alone yes

[karmic dust]

well l said it too. l said it was better before

[indigo gulch]

But you need to find a way to adjust it, not just say ''oh **** go back

[karmic dust]

you cant hunt in sea as deino its just to viseable and too swallow at beach

[lapis swallow]

deino at spiro was just easy af

[karmic dust]

l am sure you didnt even play more than 50 hours

[indigo gulch]

first of all, I didn't say hunt. You can use it to travel to other places

secondly

[lapis swallow]

the masses of them chilling everywhere told me enough

[karmic dust]

%80 of the river places at gateway is just too bad

[indigo gulch]

you can definitely eat a lot of dibbles in the migration areas

[tight iron]

delta is practically useless

highlands lake and west rail access lake are not useless

[cyan flame]

I mean, there's an entire playable about that, the cera, so I guess so.

[karmic dust]

bruh you just don't wanna understand do you ?

[karmic dust]

go grown one and play it a while then come and say to me did you have fun or not okey ?

[cyan flame]

No, I do understand, I simply do not agree that deinos should be able to go and be everywhere on the map, like in spiro. I think it's okay that there are lakes/ponds where deino is not the threat, since other things can and will be.

[karmic dust]

l say not everywhere OMG just go look to old map okey

[cyan flame]

Yes, and in spiro, deinos could literally swim to almost everywhere, and with a little land walk, reach every water source.

[karmic dust]

yea its how it must be

[cyan flame]

Which I disagree with

[karmic dust]

well game was like that for years so

it was balanced if you are smart enough you was able to find safe spots

and if you play deino for a while you know where they usually wait so

[cyan flame]

... I don't think that's a good argument. Game has been very different during periods of the development. I mean, we've been without deino longer than we've had it, at least I think so

So if you want to argue "game was like this", well, we could pick any point to go from then

[karmic dust]

Look l played more than 500 hours as "a land dino" too and l can easly say %90 of my deaths wasn't a deino so if you are smart enough and know the waiting spots of deinos you was able to prevent lunged by a deino nearly every time you drink.

anyway l am tired from explaining this is last of it bro. l am gonna stop playing as a deino for a long long time until they make a good river design so until then see ya

[cyan flame]

I'm not making the argument that deino killed plenty or anything, I'm making the argument that A, in the old map, deinos could go everywhere and B, there were far too many of them at any given point. In current map, deino can still go to most spots, with mutations even more so, but they are harsher to grow and live as, as a "pseudo apex" should be.

It's not the same to say "you can avoid deino if you play smart (just drink in safe spot, that are then complained about), as to say "I think it's fine that deinos have to migrate on land to get to certain spots" (which they can now do easier)

[lapis swallow]

cool, one deino less

[cyan flame]

It's nice to have lakes and ponds, and not only rivers

But that does mean you'll have to move on land between those spots

[karmic dust]

if you are dying to deinos in gateaway l am saying nothing to you bro XD

[cyan flame]

You can still travel and get to most, probably all, spots on Gateway, but you can't swim to all spots

[lapis swallow]

I died like once

[karmic dust]

okey go try l insist Mr. Deino main

[lapis swallow]

Just give up on a easy deino live, its only gonna get worse

[tight iron]

he's right, you can travel to most, but it's complicated as heck

[karmic dust]

you are talking like you try it xd this just make me angry

l am sure as hell you didn't even full grown one and play with it for once so pls stop talking LIKE YOU PLAYED IT THAT WAY

[cyan flame]

No, I am talking as if I know, and from what I've been told by others that do play deino, they can and have made it to every spot, even before mutations. Now, with things like water while raining, slower drain, and others, it ought to be even easier to travel around

[lapis swallow]

We all saw the deino hordes at spiro. the playable that was supposed to be the hardest to grow was the most common one

[cyan flame]

I don't have to play it, to know how it plays and works, you realize that right?

[urban flax]

If deino was avoidable or counterable or survivable in some way, it would be fine if it was able to go to any water source
However it's not the case

[lapis swallow]

it can go at any water source

[urban flax]

40 deinos per server on average

[cyan flame]

They can go to any water source, they just have to go on land, and possibly while raining, using the mutation

But there's, far as I know, no spot currently on Gateway they can't actually get to

[lapis swallow]

main reason why spiro felt so empty

[cyan flame]

Can they live there, maybe, maybe not, depending on fish spawns + encounter rate of critters, but they can get to any water source

[karmic dust]

spiro felt empty hahahahahahah

then what you think about gateway

[lapis swallow]

look anywhere but center

[lapis swallow]

it feels better

[karmic dust]

you really making me laugh so hard

[cyan flame]

Also empty at times, though with migrations + higher pops it's not as strangely empty as spiro was

[karmic dust]

Erik when did you start to play the isle

[cyan flame]

In any way, Gateway overall is the better map, even if it's not the "saviour" people hyped it up to be

[lapis swallow]

sorry that I find players on gateway, if it is in any way funny to you

[cyan flame]

Early 2016 I believe, shortly after the Danger Floof (Theri) was added, or somewhere at that point

[karmic dust]

l don't belive you sorry. l just dont

[cyan flame]

Okay, then why even bother asking xD

[karmic dust]

you really talk like a new player

[cyan flame]

Really? Or do you just think so because I disagree with you?

[lapis swallow]

cant you just send a steam screenshot?

bro is malding about the fact that they need skill to be deino now

[karmic dust]

no you just talked like you play like 2 hours on old map

[cyan flame]

I could, but why bother, if the person won't believe me anyway. Speaking of, just went to look at my hours, 6900 now, almost 7K. (I know there's a few players out there that has 7K+, possibly even 8K, so I'm not quite there yet)

[lapis swallow]

the old map was literally catered for deino

[karmic dust]

actually it was my bad l should asked how much hours do you got sorry

[lapis swallow]

the whole thing was built around it

[cyan flame]

Well, you have the answer there too

Far too many hours for a stupid dinosaur game to be perfectly honest

[lapis swallow]

Gateway is balanced around all playables

[urban flax]

That's when I realize I actually don't play much videogames at all

I think that's more than my lifetime playtime of every game combined

[cyan flame]

But then I enjoyed it, during sandbox, prog, survival, and current, and most other games I played were story/singleplayer so don't really rack up the same hours unless you're into replaying a lot, and I'm not

[cyan flame]

To be fair, if you only really play like 2-3 games at any time, hours do get added rather quickly, even if you don't play much overall

[cyan flame]

That's hilarious, considering my sheer amount of time in this game, in the various modes and on the various maps

[karmic dust]

l belive the reason you dissagree with me is you just don't play as deino enough to talk about its balance. you only play the other side the land dino side

[urban flax]

Same could be said for you

[cyan flame]

So what does that have to do with being new, or hours played then

[karmic dust]

no l played nearly the same the both sides %50 %50

[karmic dust]

no sorry its only about playing one dino enough

it was my bad

to say and ask like that

[cyan flame]

Again, I don't need to play the others to know how they work, not when other people will play them and share findings and all, and I know how deino works. And really, the only thing I've disagree with here is map design

[urban flax]

So 50% of your entire playtime is deino ?
Damn

[karmic dust]

yea (it was at isla sparo) l think in gateaway its probably like %25 deino %75 others

[cyan flame]

I've not argued "deino is easy on gateway", I've argued "it's fine to migrate on land"

Thus, no need for an interconnected river system like in spiro

And it's not an argument on "how easy is it to avoid deino" either, simply "old map wasn't well designed, new map better"

[karmic dust]

well l think old map was better for land dinos too

simply old map was just better i think

[urban flax]

Spiro was better for deathmatching at center and playing deino with no difficulty
That's about it

[karmic dust]

playing deino wasnt easy it has other diffucultys like other deinos

[urban flax]

It had ONE difficulty back then, the one being other deinos

[karmic dust]

yeah maybe but it was a big one, hard one

and i can say it was making it more fun to play

now you just need to find food that's not fun

[urban flax]

The amount of deinos there was constantly on spiro would sa otherwise

And compared to any other playable, it was by far the easiest
Except ptera I guess

[karmic dust]

yea only think making its easy was being in water

thats kinda the point of the animal

[urban flax]

The point of the animal isn't being both the strongest around AND the easiest to grow

[karmic dust]

but now whats making it hard starving? huh wow what a suprise

[urban flax]

At least it has a difficulty now
An actual one, that isn't itself

[lapis swallow]

only skilled deinos become adults now, which is neat

[karmic dust]

okey lets do it for every dino then l dont think we will able to see any adult if we do that

[urban flax]

It's already the case for other dinos

[karmic dust]

no

[lapis swallow]

I mean, deino is a apex. So it needs to be this difficult

[urban flax]

Can't argue with that

[karmic dust]

tell that to stegos!