general-feedback-discussion

[lapis swallow]

it does, just tell me where you are rn

[vital laurel]

? Its probably just the config being bad

[shell cave]

I was at the watter way,

[lapis swallow]

did you delete config?

[vital laurel]

under the water?

[shell cave]

I get rid of it often enough. No, in the trees, but it dosent seem localised to specific areas. Game just seems to be a lot worse graphically than before with far more resource use.

[vital laurel]

do this #isle-discussion message

[vital laurel]

the game looks better than ever with better lighting

i reach 100 fps and has never gotten it to look as good as it does now with 2080ti with 100fps

[shell cave]

My RTX disagrees, game looks super bad.

[vital laurel]

what is your 3d resolution?

try using dlaa and delete config

[shell cave]

I can go up to 2k but currently 1080

I shouldn't have to use DLSS

[vital laurel]

dlaa isnt dlss

[shell cave]

Dumb down my image quality for bad optimisations.

Wtf is dlaa

[vital laurel]

deep learning anti alasing

[shell cave]

Yeah more anti aliasing. No thanks bro.

[vital laurel]

it helps with sharpen

and make sure you have 3d resolution to 100

[shell cave]

I'm gonna run it again, I will grab some screens if still bad. All the settings are as they should be.

[vital laurel]

make sure you have drivers

[shell cave]

Dude trust me, my rig is a f'in gaming honed beast. Everything is up to date, overclocked and handling far more Intensive games than the Isle. This is just bad optimisation, and the video setting options are a joke. Very bare bones.

Can't take a screen of sht, night time, as always.

[vital laurel]

yeah fps have never been much but the looks and stuff are better than ever

[shell cave]

To me, the look of the game is far worse, needs sharpening, the frames, well the game is terrible for frames now, never had an issue in the past and I really like the look of the game. Now there is too much atmospheric particles, no sharp edges, I gotta use a filter to see anything at all at night. Just bad. Imo

[lucid root]

Does anyone have the issue of herbs protecting carnivores? If you’re a herb doing such I would like to know why…

[rain hemlock]

@icy lion is that considered a bug is that why u delted it or is it cuz it was just an R and then i edited it to fix it

[icy lion]

It's a bug

[rain hemlock]

kk

[faint folio]

I don't do this, but it is friends or clans playing together, either for fun or to abuse the fact that some dino combinations aren't balanced. Most people don't like mix packing or carebearing

[lucid root]

Last night that’s all we were encountering. Tenontos and Ceras teaming up in CA Central 1, it was irritating to say the least lol

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message dilo is awfully op already

catch up to anything, bite once in the head, remotely kill without you needing to even get near your prey at all times

[steady fjord]

is that weird camera system still coming?

[desert arch]

No, it was never planned to be in game

[steady fjord]

Oh, okay

[indigo gulch]

@round parcel That makes no sense. Why would you make carnos cannibals when the roster of prey is bigger?

[desert arch]

Carno cannibalism

Honestly the last thing carno needs

[austere arch]

I just found a freshly dead adult cera, not even opened yet, no scavengers...climb up a nearby tree, 30 seconds later I see a compy hopping away and the cera's a skeleton...tf?

Are scavs that broken?

[lucid sinew]

• Double 1 call a bug yes?

[cosmic mica]

what are ur graphics settings?

[cosmic mica]

like they were saying delete config. also verifying your game's files can help.

[midnight heath]

Love seeing specific people consistently downvote anytime anything about an herbivore is mentioned.

Doesn't matter if it's actual feedback or not, they just see an herbivore mentioned and hit X.

[cosmic mica]

a lot of the time its cuz they mention herbi vs. herbi.

[midnight heath]

That's not it; just today someone just asked for additional colors for herbivores, specifically more colorful options and someone just decided nah. I've asked for trike ceratopsian info and gotten X'd too.

It just feels petty

[limber hull]

one literally just said "give herbis more colours" and it got downvoted by a guy with a carno name and pfp lmao

[midnight heath]

That one

It's literally just cosmetic and they have a point, I'm tired of "dull rust or brown" for male patterns

The same person who downvoted that downvoted my phase-3 asking for ceratopsian information

[limber hull]

there are very specific people i have found who just make their entire identity "herbi bad, carni good" and i dont get it lol

if its asking for a carni nerf, herbi buff or even herbi QoL/info, hate it
carni buff, herbi nerf or anything else that benefits carnis, love it

[spice lark]

U right. Why that that way tho? 🤔 :/

[spice lark]

😦

[midnight heath]

Because it's just narrow-minded, just because you're a carni-main doesn't mean there's a lot of other herbi-mains. There's genuinely no actual good reason to say "no you can't have colors, only I can"

[limber hull]

its like they genuinely don't want people to play herbis, which is BIZARRE, as carnis should want as many herbi players as possible

[spice lark]

Love the name XD btw.... and yeah... Silly... clutters up the feedback with what feels like essentially cliques and trolling :/ >.>

[spice lark]

O.o I think your right.... how strange though

[midnight heath]

They just want walking food, fodder, they just want to power-trip I'm fairly sure.

Refuse to work for any hunt or God forbid get killed by something with flat teeth that isn't "scary"

[spice lark]

😂

[midnight heath]

Give me that stalwart herbivore gameplay and that "hunt to survive" carni gameplay, it's not asking for much.

[midnight heath]

Thank you! If trike is bad it'll be the end of me.

[icy lion]

Carnivores are the main characters and herbivores are food, basically

[midnight heath]

^^^

[spice lark]

Yeah... I think it would be healthy if herbies were encouraged more... Right now theyre not in the funnest place to play, and whats worse is I do feel like theres some genuine herbie hatred XD .... I dont get it

[midnight heath]

The main reason I play carnivore is because it's interactive, I agree that herbs are a tad boring to play but I'm really hoping that changes in time. Diablo with sparring is a nice step really.

[spice lark]

I agree... Herbies can be fun with people, and I guess even solo thats kind of 'the goal' is to find a herd or whatever

but solo or with people, carni is highly interactive

*** I think that if they gave nesting some love and if the elder system is neat, herbies will be alot alot more fun

but herbie gameplay atm is difficult, unforgiving, and not super duper rewarding :/

[midnight heath]

I like solo herbivore but there's just not many that can really defend themselves if something happens; teno is nice but I got tired of it and steg just - it's steg.

[limber hull]

i REALLY want those migration changes

[midnight heath]

Which?

[limber hull]

mass migrations and the wandering events

[midnight heath]

Ooooh the big one, it's supposedly going to be rare yeah?

I'm not too sure about wandering events

[limber hull]

idk what they're called

[midnight heath]

As in I'm ill-informed on them

[limber hull]

but basically, random herbis will be "broken free" from migrations and allowed to freely roam the island

[midnight heath]

God I hope it lasts more than an hour

That does sound fun though, you'll actually get to see other players.

I gave up playing steg because there's nearly nothing in it's migration zones. Sure I have hypsis and galli but both of those aren't really popular so I just see the other occasional steg and nothing else. 🧍

[vivid hollow]

@tepid apex what’s ur rig bro damn

[tepid apex]

my specs?

[vivid hollow]

yes

[tepid apex]

hold up ima list it

[tepid apex]

Processer: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core Processor (4.20 GHz)
Ram: 32 gb (2x16gb)
Graphics card: Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B650-A GAMING WIFI AM5 ATX Motherboard

[vivid hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/based-gigachad-chad-gif-23901955

[tight iron]

dam

[vagrant jungle]

@limber hull why would you downvote the suggestion for less rain? You enjoy the constant thunder? Can’t even have a decent voicechat have to turn down the SFX ingame. It’s 50% raining in my last 4h of the Isle. That’s too much. And it’s been for months like this.

[sweet shell]

@limber hull #general-feedback message

Why would you want teno to be ridiculously easy?

Elaborate pls

[limber hull]

i want it to be viable

making it require a headshot to stun a cera? That ain't it

[sweet shell]

It is more than viable, your personal skills are irrelevant just so yk

[limber hull]

personal skills? what?

[sweet shell]

And gifting it an extra kick when it lands a stun attack is it?

[limber hull]

first of all, stun isn't determined by headshot

second of all, requiring a headshot to, y'know, survive, is dumb

[sweet shell]

To survive? It can outrun ceras and the bleed scares carnos away, your point?

[limber hull]

teno does less damage than carno charge and cera bite on all of its attacks, its supposed to be a combo creature

[sweet shell]

A carno charge can easily be dodged and ceras bite can be cancelled if you attack it first lmao

Didn’t u have a major in game designs?

[limber hull]

and you can't dodge a teno tail lol

its got a slow-ass windup and a colossal attack lockout

you can literally get in a free bite if it even slightly whiffs the tail

[sweet shell]

I got no problem with the tail, why are you even bringing it up? The problem here is the kick that stuns you

[limber hull]

kick has a pitiful range, with a back-facing hitbox

[sweet shell]

Teno is agile enough to turn and land the kick within mill secs

Also the kick range can be a bit inconsistent, idk if that’s the hitbox or desync

[limber hull]

i do, and?

[sweet shell]

Your arguments here are not it

[limber hull]

i feel like me disagreeing with you doesn't really invalidate 3+ years of university education lol

[sweet shell]

Never said that? Strawman fallacy. It’s your arguments lmao

[cyan flame]

Well, teno currently is fine, carno is a bit lacking, cera is a bit of up and down. Making only headshots stun seems excessive, but you could argue that only tailslam should stun, and not kick possibly

[limber hull]

i'd rather buff the garbage carno than nerf teno, who is for once actually not horrible to play

[cyan flame]

But there's not really any issue with the concept of comboing a tailslam into a kick, that's kind of the point, you use the tail for reach, and the kick for damage

[limber hull]

that being said, carno shouldn't really be hunting teno

given that the devs themselves have expressed they want carno to be more pivoted towards "small game hunter"

[cyan flame]

For now at least, depends on what they do with teno as well

Though a more defensive teno would work, just keep tailslam and move, eventually the carno will give up or die

[sweet shell]

The body hitbox of cera and carno is massive. It wouldn’t be difficult to hit them at all and the stun just makes it easier

I see no reason making teno a walk in the park to use

[cyan flame]

Don't you mean the head hitbox, if you wanted headshots only? And if you think teno is easy to use, well, despite having a bit of extra stamina, it's still one of the most difficult ones to play

Kind of the whole thing, combo and knowing what attack to use when, to be a good teno

[sweet shell]

Not really, it might take some time adjusting to it but after that it’s like stealing candy from a baby XD

[cyan flame]

If teno is like that, then no idea what the others are, being far simpler and all that

[radiant nest]

Teno is very easy to use

[sweet shell]

No, you want a body shot to stun which would be way to easy to land. An extra kick for minimal effort? I say no

[cyan flame]

Body shot is fine, it's not "way too easy to land", and the entire point of it is to combo with a kick, since tailslam isn't really there for damage. You get the reach, then a follow up kick

[cyan flame]

Then I guess every other playable is mindless xD

Though if kick stuns as well, I guess you could just do that, rather than use tailslam first, which would be more damage overall

[sweet shell]

After the combo, ceras or carnos are usually one hp. It is very easy to land, most don’t have a problem with it, I feel like it might be an skill issue if your struggling. Not trying to sound harsh

[radiant nest]

No teno is just really easy to use, you barely have to worry about stam and do both heavy damage and cc with two easy attacks

[cyan flame]

You don't really mean that literally, right? 1 hp?

[radiant nest]

Both of which you can do while running, in a wide direction

[cyan flame]

And no, it's not a matter of skill issue, unlesss you mean that it's "easy to land", when well, you're entirely defensive

You need to position more than something attacking from the front

[sweet shell]

Also, the isle combat is close up range. Your prob gonna get hit atleast once and that’s game over

[radiant nest]

Imo teno needs stamina nerfs on its attacks (primarily kick) and kick shouldn’t be something you can do while running

[sweet shell]

No, carnos are usually die from bleed anyway, and ceras gets 2 shotted (I consider the extra kick and the stun kick the same)

[cyan flame]

Wait, you're telling me a cera dies from two teno kicks?

[sweet shell]

Also what’s the point of the tail slam, when the kick is all of that but better

[radiant nest]

Nothing too much, it’s supposed to be a brawler, but currently it is a bit overturned

[cyan flame]

And sure, carnos bleed, but that's a carno issue

Carno could do with getting back normal multipliers

[sweet shell]

Did you read the last bit? 4-5 techically but i count them as 2

[cyan flame]

Sure, teno do have a bit extra and not needed stamina, but that's pretty much the only really relevant issue

[radiant nest]

Tenos feel a bit too adept at running things down currently

[cyan flame]

So what you mean is two tailslam + kick combos?

[radiant nest]

Ok that’s kinda cheating

[sweet shell]

2 kicks that stun + other 2 free kicks to the head is enough to kill a cera

[cyan flame]

Teno, who's main attacks require it to position itself at least to the side, if not front, of the target, is too good at running things down?

[sweet shell]

Ikr, and teno is Balanced XD

[sweet shell]

It has extremely good mobility and can get into position within half a second

[cyan flame]

I don't know, it seems to me like you might have to reconsider how to run away, or approach a teno. Should it have less ability to spam it's attacks, sure (reasonable for within current stamina) . Are the attacks a problem, no not really.

[cyan flame]

Now that sounds like a skill issue, with all due respect

If you somehow get "outmanuevered" by a teno, then I don't know, that seems very odd at the least

[sweet shell]

wait teno being able to turn quickly means I lack skill? I think that will be enough of discord for the day

[cyan flame]

Most things can just run away, cera can't, but it's also a very agile critter and resilient to bleed

[sweet shell]

In close up combat yes, but if I get chased never

[radiant nest]

I meant saying that 4-5 shots is 2

[sweet shell]

It is 2 technically

[cyan flame]

No, more so that if you can't, with better manueverability, handle it, then well, what else to look at. It turns very well, yes, but not to a degree you can't work with

[radiant nest]

No

[cyan flame]

Besides... you're one to talk

[sweet shell]

If you land two stunning kicks and then follow it up with two kicks to the head, the cera dies

[radiant nest]

Ok, but that’s more than two total shots

[cyan flame]

Anyway, adjust stamina cost for attacks, with account for current stamina tresholds and all that, sure. Teno is a little overtuned on that account. But the attacks do not seem to be a problem really. Carno could use some help, but it has issues independent on teno, and so does cera. And cera is also slated for some changes to make it more... unpleasant to fight it.

[sweet shell]

You struggle with playing as teno? Funny coming from you

[radiant nest]

Teno is certainly overtuned but twisting the numbers isn’t the way to go to prove it

[sweet shell]

Yes but didn’t you see me say “technically”? It is 2 shots since the other 2 are free because of the stun.

[radiant nest]

And technically it literally isn’t

[cyan flame]

No, just that you're the one that brought up skill in the first place, for little to no reason. Yet you should maybe apply that to yourself. Because clearly it's not all that simple that "teno should be changed like this".

[cyan flame]

I get the point, but it can be misleading if we're talking about the actual damage and all that and thus the amount of hits needed

Better to clarify that you count in all the hits, but still acknowledge the amount of hits there are

[sweet shell]

It is in total 4 shots, but since the kicks have a stun, why count them separately?

[cyan flame]

Because otherwise you're saying "cera dies in two shots" which it doesn't

Same as why people would argue that deino does not "one shot", things

Despite the lunge technically doing just that

[radiant nest]

Because a combo is a separate thing and requires more stam, among other things

Now I’m not saying teno isn’t a bit too good at combat sometimes, but twisting numbers isn’t the way to go

[cyan flame]

Basically, cera dies in 4-5 kicks/slams, and due to the stun you can easily get in a second hit in one go . Which is the point of teno comboing, and should be kept, since it adds a little bit of smarts and skills. And for that reason it could be argued that maybe kick shouldn't stun, or not stun as long. So there's more options to use.

[sweet shell]

If it gets kicked once, the other kick is inevitable. I’m not talking about the damadge output, which is why i said technically. I am not misleading

[cyan flame]

But the concept of slam then kick, is a good thing, rather than only using one or the other attack

[radiant nest]

As someone who is decidedly bad at combat, I can say that when I as a lone teno can kill an entire pack of ceras and live without any practice before hand with any combat as teno, that means teno is overtuned

[sweet shell]

^^^

[cyan flame]

How many ceras?

Becuase if there's more than two, and you somehow win, then that's not a teno issue, that's those players being utterly bad

I can grant you that you probably can handle two of them, but more than that, no that's on the ceras. And if they have bile, then it's even more on them

[sweet shell]

Then fighting them is essentially a death sentence. Your bound to get hit atleast twice and that results in death. It dosent help that they are tanky and takes a while to kill

[radiant nest]

4, and I’m very bad at combat, and I know for a fact that I made way more combat mistakes than them

[cyan flame]

You might kill one, even two of the ceras, but if you got 3-4 of them and they lose to a solo teno, then the ceras are just bad

[limber hull]

1 good cera can pretty competently dispatch of a teno

a single teno slaughtering a whole pack is news to me, and probably doesn't speak well for the cerato players

especially considering the first cera killed grants every other cera a corpse buff

[cyan flame]

Yeah, no. Those ceras were just bad, you were either way better than you think you are, or they literally had no clue and were absolute new players

[limber hull]

FOUR CERAS LOST TO ONE TENO LMAO

[cyan flame]

Sheer numbers, stats, means those ceras could have mobbed and killed you

[limber hull]

That is hysterical, please show

[sweet shell]

I’m flummoxed

How is that possible

[radiant nest]

All I did was kick them until they got me to vomit and then I ran, and occasionally tail slammed them when they got close

[limber hull]

Skill issue of the highest order I'd imagine

[limber hull]

The fact they just... let you do that is so funny

[cyan flame]

Like, I will agree that you can kill one cera, possibly both if you're very good, but if there's 3 or more, you will just be attritioned out. At some point that becomes a thing

[sweet shell]

So I assume that they were facetanking your kicks lmao

[cyan flame]

Even if one was, the teno still stands there kicking, what were the others doing?

So yeah... I have to question if that's not entirely on the ceras simply not knowing much about the game in general, rather than the teno at that point

[radiant nest]

No they were dodging most of them

[limber hull]

1300HP per cera (2600HP with corpse buff) times 4
vs
1600HP

Apparently the 5200-10400HP loses to 1600HP with less damage

Amazing

[sweet shell]

That simply isn’t possible, maybe Jolly meant it in a hyperbolical way?

[cyan flame]

No? I think he meant it literally happened

[limber hull]

It's pretty possible

That sounds like The Isle to me

[cyan flame]

And oh yeah, the moment one of them died, the others would have had the corpse buff as well

[radiant nest]

It was on hordetest

[sweet shell]

I’m uninstalling the game

[bronze matrix]

Maybe they were already starved?

[cyan flame]

• new bile source

[radiant nest]

It actually happened

[limber hull]

And yet they continued to chase the teno, rather than cannibalise, which gives the same nutrients, so clearly it was a hunt

[sweet shell]

They better have been like 1hp before engaging with the teno

[cyan flame]

Possibly, if they were running wounded (the debuff) then that would make a difference, but still, 4 ceras vs 1 teno... that's still quite impressive

[limber hull]

Cerato can just give up and eat the corpse

Even funnier, corpseguarding grants damage resist AND stun resist, so you could LITERALLY facetank a teno and win while doing it

So the ceratos clearly were not starving, they actively wanted to hunt

[cyan flame]

It does seem like a very... strange encounter at the least

[limber hull]

Because if they stayed with the first cerato corpse, it's an easy win

[cyan flame]

But I've seen and heard of even worse plays, so it's possible

[limber hull]

I've seen packs of raptors lose to one pachy

[cyan flame]

@junior lion The devs do seem to prefer that you learn by doing in this game. I would advice to play something like dryo (maybe even hypsi) until you get the hang of most of the basic mechanics, and then start looking for what you'd like to play. Alternatively, if you manage to find someone nesting, ask for the egg and if you get accepted, proceed to ask your new "parents" how to actually survive in this world. Hopefully if they went through the process of nesting, they would be inclined to help you out in general.

[radiant nest]

Sorry for being gone had to do smth, I’ll lay out what happened

So me and a sub teno saw a cera, which ran away from us and we ran after it. It led us to three others, which ambushed us and almost immediately killed the sub teno and got me to vomit. I was now at like below half stam and had vomit sickness so I decided to run back to a herd of tenos that were over back where I came from. The ceras ran after me and I tried to fight one, which got me to vomit again, but then I ran again and killed the rest of them as they ran after me using kicks and talismans while running. They were using charged bite a lot so probably doing low damage cause its bugged but I’m not fully sure, ended up on zero stam quarter blood and extreme low health

[cyan flame]

So, they pulled a good trick and ambush, killed the sub quickly and vomited you. And then somehow continued to eat tailslams and kicks, even after seeing one of their friends dying to it, until they all died. Despite getting you to vomit twice, and put you on low stamina before really fighting you. At least they did get you to empty and very low blood/health. But it does seem like they did good, got a bit of a power trip, decided to chase with no plan and ended up dying due to that. Maybe they didn't think an adult teno was much different to a sub, or something. But it really sounds odd, going from a successful ambush, to running into the rear end of a teno one after another until they all died.

[radiant nest]

Yeah I was really expecting them to go away once they got a body but i was already low on stam so ig they thought I would be easy to kill
Which is partially why I want teno to get some attack stam nerfs

[bronze matrix]

no wonder people think teno is op if they are using witchcraft :D

[cyan flame]

From what it seems, they might have misunderstood what "easy kill" would mean, considering at that point you were weak and vunerable. But the fact they could see one of their friends get killed, and not adjust their tactics and strategies is not a point in their favour to say the least. You can bait tenos after all, and they could always have had pulled a "cluster", forcing you to be close to all three to hit one of them, and thus giving them opportunities to retaliate. But yeah, teno don't need more than about 25-30 attacks, rather than the 50+ I've heard it has.

[tight iron]

that is just... insnae

me and a friend have won 2v4s against tenos as ceras

and im talking about not even getting to orange

[radiant nest]

Insnae

[tight iron]

insnae yessir!!!!!!1

but fr now, it's insane that you were able to do that

those 4 ceras must be the worst cera playres

[radiant nest]

It really is insane, especially because I am just trash at combat

[tight iron]

dats waht im sayin

they must be the worst cera players with 2 fps

[radiant nest]

It was really odd cause it felt like they had a really good plan initially but then they just… died

[tight iron]

yeah...

it's just, well, strange

[icy lion]

@soft python That's something the server owners have to enable, I believe

[soft python]

ah nvm then

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i would rather live because i managed my stam than die because some dude got the artificial speed boost move and now i have no way to escape

also adding ambush speed means, by extension, nerfing EVERY carnivore's base speed to compensate

otherwise ambush breaks the game

so if we add ambush speed

• deino, ptera and herrera have basically zero value from it (there's more to come that also would never find any value in it, but this is what we have now)
• most carnivores now have a more difficult time travelling because having current speeds + ambush is overkill given how most speeds are balanced around herbis
• the gap between herbi/omni vs carnivore balance becomes more difficult to manage
• hunts are no longer determined by smart resource management but instead "who held crouch first"
• we bring back ye olde "crouch fights" where two rexes crouch in the middle of open plains otherwise they lose to the other rex

let's just not add it

[wooden agate]

@rough hemlock #general-feedback message but the devs want omniraptor lol, thats why they renamed it from utah to omni because they want to keep omni. its important lore wise

[rough hemlock]

Then they could just keep the name but still have a feathered variant, plus the devs change their minds all the time

[wooden agate]

why not just make an actual utahraptor that looks like a utahraptor and has a different playstyle lul

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1242581541020762194 @tight iron
I don't think that growth times are the issue. I think the issue is that the "early game" has nothing fun to offer yet which is why people see growth more as "loading" the "real" adult gameplay and not gameplay in and of itself. I play a lot of Troodon and personally if I had more stuff to do like bugs to chase or to fight I would not care that much about having a 1 hour growth time.

[tight iron]

i agree with that, however why change it so early on

leave em be and change it when you can offer actual gameplay

[bronze matrix]

fair point

[tight iron]

the juvies are just gone man nobody grows normally

you just throw a stego off a cliff eat from it and that's it

get in a bush go work go read go do whatever come back eat again do teh same thing and then go look for food and begin playing

it's depressing seeing nobody in this map

[bronze matrix]

and then there are sanctuaries where you can even be save from being hunted

[tight iron]

or well, no juvies

i mean sanctuaries are fine imo, but...

all the juvies are in south plains, in east plains sanctuary or in a bush

and that, of course, includes me

last time i grew normally was yesterday as a cera

however i hadn't grown normally since the new growth times dropped

aint losin my hour of progress for any reason whatsoever

i can just get my perfect diet and go work on something else

or literally spawn as raptor get my diet and go eat lunch or dinner or basically whatever i want

[bronze matrix]

yeah and that's why I as a troodon love to hunt juvis
I mean I'm not doing it for me. It's like a service you know so that they can experience real gameplay :D

[tight iron]

it's not like im gonna lose any gameplay time

[tight iron]

real

if i play troodon i hunt juvies just to eat if i can even find them

no chance im going for anything else

[bronze matrix]

oh that's actually easy
I usually hang out in the north east sanctuary and if I manage to kill one juvi it will just summon more juvis

it's like farming in an mmo

[tight iron]

yus

man, it's just sad to not see juvies around

i totally dont want to troll them

[bronze matrix]

me neither
i just want to eat them

[tight iron]

walk up to em while they eatin and jumpscare them

imagine you eatin as a smol dilo and for no reason there is a raptor right above you spamming 4 call

absolutely hilarious

[bronze matrix]

i would soil my pants tbh as a troodon

[tight iron]

lolz

anyways imma go now man, cya

[bronze matrix]

bye

[lapis swallow]

@analog owl deinosuchus is not in a famine, it just does not have the entire map catered to it anymore

get used to it, its only got get worse for deino when bigger stuff that hunts deinos like spino gets added

[faint folio]

@analog owl Deino is in a really weird spot right now with the map and roster. It's got a 1-tap to anything 4T or lighter, especially as a pair, with no counter except to just avoid it, which means there needs to be water spots that are difficult for deino to reach or it's unfair to the other dinos. But, unfortunately for deino the game is missing several upcoming features that will help make the risk of potential deino a more viable option.

1. other apexes. When the map's bridges were presented, the devs suggested that larger carnivores could camp bridges to ensure food at choke points. Thus, the choice would become fight allo/giga/rex etc or swim and risk maybe deino to cross. But, there's not any large carnivores to fear, and none of the current roster can truly block a bridge right now.

2. migration issues. Migration was supposed to move players around the map, but there's definitely still fixed hot spots. That means less water crossings which means less deino opportunities.

3. other aquatics. Again, planned to add other aquatic dinos to the roster. Some like spino will be able to contest deino, but a lot more (including juvenile spinos) will be a new source of food for deino. And, I think that the more terrestrial inclined semi aquatics (sucho, bary) might choose to inhabit those deino-proof ponds, which would also make the potential-deino-or-definite-sucho math a little more favorable

[icy lion]

@iron prism Type /unstuck in the game chat

[wary flower]

@strange quiver man your feedback is awesome

I dont know how it doesnt have 40+ upvotes

[solid belfry]

#general-feedback message diet system needs to be scrapped and rethought from scratch, this proposed system is just pseudo nerfs to buffs that are already hardly noticeable, and of which carnivore has very little say in what buffs they're trying to get during growth. even if you were to do this system, organs would need a MASSIVE buff again as it implies you're willing to trade one buff for a big nerf to another mechanic. the current system is just 'you get what you get', which is an awful design for the current benefits (which is poignantly boring)

[full pewter]

#general-feedback message
Just genuinely curious why people seem to dislike my ideas of what could change in the diet system?

[rough wind]

I dont like the idea of diets giving any nerfs

unless your have no diets at all

diets should let you customize your dino on top of whatever the dino comes with

[urban flax]

Stam diet

[limber hull]

stam diet always cringe

especially considering the proposed changes enforce carbs even more than how it used to be

[full pewter]

What’s your idea then?

[limber hull]

i had one ages ago

proteins = healing/locked health regen
carbs = thirst decay/stamina regen (while resting only)
lipids = hunger decay/nutrient decay

[full pewter]

Slowing down hunger decay is only gonna make changing a diet combo harder

[limber hull]

it also makes survival easier and encourages builds around your specific playstyle

a more nomadic playstyle would be enabled by eating lipids to avoid rapid starvation

[full pewter]

Idk, unless other things to do besides gathering food are added, higher hunger drain would make gameplay a bit more boring than it needs to be. And reduced thirst drain seems a bit punishing for Deinos specifically since people wouldn’t need to come to the water as often, but at the same time would also allow Deinos to stay out of water for longer

Also know that an all dots diet according to my concept would still come with major nerfs to stats accociated with S and lines, and it’s drain and regen don’t need to be as good as they were before

So even if a player had very good endurance, they’d be making themselves squishier as a cost

But then again that’s why I didn’t go into exact numbers, cause I think it could be balance tested

[limber hull]

a carb-based deino can also cover greater stretches of land and migrate to more obscure locales on the map. It's not all black and white

[full pewter]

That’s all fine and good, but Deinos still essentially require that prey comes close to them first. Doesn’t matter where they go, even at hotspots

[tight iron]

@worldly remnant it's a kos bloodbath cause ppl don't like others getting big so they kill everyone to avoid it

if you know for a fact that the other person will kill you on sight, you will kill him on sight as well, and that's why everyone kills everyone, to avoid getting even close to risking hours of lost progress

[desert arch]

And lets be honest, theres nothing else to do in game...

[tight iron]

^^

i think that the best way this is enforced is by the community itself punishing it

[worldly remnant]

i know it, it's not a good sim thwen

[tight iron]

juvie killers being killed by other players for that

[tight iron]

i absolutely hate to say this but a sim is impossible

we are not in the same conditions

[worldly remnant]

its called reciprocity, yes?

[tight iron]

you can respawn so yeah

[lapis swallow]

but murdering children in the isle is based

[tight iron]

it is stupid

murdering children in the isle is just dumb

you ruin their gameplay

[lapis swallow]

why tho, its free food and I can keep my diet topped up

[tight iron]

unless it's a pachy

[worldly remnant]

it's foremost not a sim then and needs consequences

[tight iron]

kill all pachies regardless of their growth

[lapis swallow]

womp womp, should grown up faster

[tight iron]

im talking about killing children for sport

if you need food then go and commit murder i do that as well

[worldly remnant]

why not make a KOS Game? just throw everyone in a pit

[tight iron]

but if you're killing children for the fun of it without even wanting to eat the corpse, actual bruh moment

[lapis swallow]

If I see another baby carnivore, imma kill it.

[worldly remnant]

reciprocity as i saif

[lapis swallow]

I usually take the organs of everything to keep my diet topped up

[limber hull]

i just dont like killing babies unless i can eat em

like troodon. idc if its a baby, it's a day-long meal for me

[worldly remnant]

the problem is the ditribution of species

[limber hull]

tiny ass troo can get SO much food from even the smallest juvi

[worldly remnant]

its 90% carni

completely not what the nature is

[lapis swallow]

I mean, there is not a lot of situations where I would not kill juvies. as a raptor they usually give me a good amount of diets

[limber hull]

that's because 3/5 herbis are unfinished, and both omnivores have severe issues that hurt their survivability

[worldly remnant]

game needs rules to make it more "realism" and sim and less a KOS PVP bloodbath.

[lapis swallow]

Beipi being unable to 1 vs 1 a troodon

[tight iron]

entire mzs are empty

[limber hull]

you have 8 carnis vs 7 non-carnis, and 5 of those non-carnis are undercooked

[lapis swallow]

hell nah, no rules

[limber hull]

rules, never

[worldly remnant]

go KOS PVP

and dont forget to exploit

[lapis swallow]

I mean, I play on petit pieds. but these rules are not restricting me in the way I play

[tight iron]

i dont know what to say about rules

it's not like they will be enforced

too many people, too many servers

[lapis swallow]

rules cant be enforced on officials

[worldly remnant]

i dont say rules making hard limits, but rules and game mechanics that stop people playing it the way they do.
Incentives to make people playing more reaslistic and sim like.

[lapis swallow]

do we need simlike?

[tight iron]

oh yeah that's being done

at least to tackle mixpackin and megapacking

[lapis swallow]

also elders aim towards making the game less deathmatchy

[tight iron]

thats the reason most people buy this game so i give him the point here

[worldly remnant]

else dont advertise the game as a Dino survival sim, but say people what it is. Almost everyone at Eastplains and around KOS PVP

[tight iron]

now it's south plains

[worldly remnant]

who is Elders?

[tight iron]

elders is old dinos

you get old and you die of old age

pretty sure that if you die you get massive perks to not make it worthless

[worldly remnant]

never got anything like this

[lapis swallow]

and you are stronger for some amount of time

not in the game yet

[tight iron]

oh yeah you stronger but slower

[worldly remnant]

Game needs more mechanics to prevent this KOS bs

[lapis swallow]

I heard nothing about being slower

[tight iron]

o

ive heard that you'll be slower

[lapis swallow]

I think you get slower when you turn into a really old dude

that is close to dieing of old age

[limber hull]

elders are def the best way to deal with reckless play

because they reward long-scale survival

[lapis swallow]

Because you get rewarded if you play carefully

[limber hull]

without artifical punishment

[lapis swallow]

wait, my omni swamp playstyle that bullies herras and beipis is good now, YAY

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-12629347036627000898

[worldly remnant]

I still think hunting with a full stomach (80-100%) should drain more stam for Carni, to reflect that a full dino wont hunt and wont kill because no hunger.
The Risks of Hunt need to be more in the game. People hunt without consequences, but hunting allways has the consequence of getting seriously hurt or exhaust, so you dont take these risks without the real need to eat something.

[lapis swallow]

so you are getting punished for being full food? hell nah

also, then carnis could be run down more easily because they
checks notes
did what they were supposed to do and filled themselves with food

[worldly remnant]

then how to reduce killing sprees for no reason other than to PVP?

[tight iron]

by adding more things to do

you kill cause there's nothing else to do rn

[worldly remnant]

lol

[lapis swallow]

PvP is lowkey the only thing to do rn

[tight iron]

^^

[lapis swallow]

and punishing carnivores for being full food is a very BAD idea

[worldly remnant]

ok i see where your thoughts coming from - hf playing

next game with people not interested playing the game that was advertised, but make it a PVP Arena, because "nothing else to do" - i get it

[tight iron]

i mean it's just the way it is

cant really claim reality to be false

not even trying to excuse it, just saying why

which is what you were asking

i hate juvie killing for sport just as much as you do, probably even more, however rules wouldn't be enforced and pvp is the only real thing you can do

so i resort to killing the juvie killers myself

[worldly remnant]

mammal primates reality 😄

[bronze matrix]

herbivores hunting other herbivore juvis sucks
but herbivores going after carnivore juvis or carnivores going after juvis in general is fine to me (even if it is for sport)
Because

1. Being a vulnerable juvi and being hunted fullfills the survival-horror aspect of the game pretty well making the game more suspenseful.
2. It provides actual gameplay for the juvis in the early-game because being chased and avoiding dangers is better than just sitting around.
3. It adds a level of difficulty for big playables which makes reaching adulthood more satisfying.
4. It's pretty much what happens in nature.
   Like if i play an herrera and I could either jump an adult pachy (which would not kill it) or a juvi pachy (killing it) i will always jump the juvi

[worldly remnant]

best way to play the game seems to avoid any encounter and players no matter what.

good to have them around as an extra threat

the problem i have is not with the juvies or beeing killed myself.
I want to play what is advertised and have players beeing somewhat reasonable and their actions comprenhehnsible from an immersive dinosaur sim aproach and not a primate i'm bored so i start killing on sight aproach.

[bronze matrix]

I mean it would be immersive
if a piglet would run towards a pride of lions, the lions would "play" with it and kill it in the end. even if they are not hungry
nature is more f'd up than you guys think

[worldly remnant]

there is also no " i should kill it now, because else it's a threat or a competitor to me later.

[worldly remnant]

i know people come up with a lot of fantasy to justify their playstyle 😄

[bronze matrix]

bamboos do it, so do water buffalo if they see lion cubs

[worldly remnant]

and dont forgeet killer wahles

they kill for fun a and sport and cats do it too

like crocodiles and even my hamster kills ants for no reason

[bronze matrix]

yes that's why i dont feel bad for hunting or killing juvis
with some important exceptions:
same species juvis (if im not a cannibal) and herbivore juvis (if I'm another herbivore) I would never kill.

[worldly remnant]

at the end we talk about a game that wants to be an immersive sim.
If it wants to be it needs gamemechanics preventing mammals and primates to behave like they do

[worldly remnant]

why the exception? some crude morals and ideals or what?

[bronze matrix]

nah as a herbivore I want more protection from forming a herd

as a non cannibal carnivore I could form a pack with them which makes the gameplay more fun

basically it is more fun not to kill them

[worldly remnant]

i's start killing everyinthing now, same species doesnt matter, its survival of the fittest. Dont eat my orange, everyone is competitor. I should start organizing a pack and start killing everyone for the only real reason: because i can.
Have fun

[tight iron]

killing the same species for no reason is very nasty ngl

[worldly remnant]

no morals - nature

is what you said

[tight iron]

ig

no i didn't say that in that way

[worldly remnant]

you did exactly that

[tight iron]

don't put words in my mouth

i said that people kill juvies because they either don't want competition or have nothing else to do

[worldly remnant]

and you defended KOS play although there is no hunger or need, but a possible competitor or threat, so kill first if you can.

[tight iron]

and that rules won't work cause they won't be enforced in time

[tight iron]

when did i defend it?

i literally said i kill the people who kos for fun??

[bronze matrix]

I did
(i think they think you are me)

[tight iron]

are you fr??

[worldly remnant]

you both did defend the KOS attitude and now come up with some morals that killing own species is bad

i dont see why

[tight iron]

i never defended kos brother

go and read what i said agian

i simply said that rules wont be enforced in a timely manner for them to be effective

[bronze matrix]

I never came up with some "morals" my reasons had nothing todo with morals

[tight iron]

see?

you wanted to know why people do it

i gave you the answer of why people do it

and now you're accusing me of doing it???

[worldly remnant]

not rules done by moderator, rules aks build in gamemechanics

[tight iron]

hi this person murdered this other person for this reason, guess im a murderer now

how does that even work...?

instead of sitting here doing nothing i go out of my way to kill the juvie killers

[worldly remnant]

i know why people do it, you told me. Boredom

[tight iron]

well then do i support it?

[tight iron]

pretty sure it's very clear

i would love to see juvie killers have to start again with zero diet all fractures and 0% growth

at least juvie killers who don't even bother to eat the body cause they do it for fun

[bronze matrix]

also another reason:
When I'm playing troodon and kill something juvi ceras want my food and are too stupid to know that I can easily kill them

[urban flax]

gaslighting at its finest

[tight iron]

well then that's justified

you're defending your food

[bronze matrix]

I'm not even going out of my way to kill juvis
they just come to me
my hands are tied

that being said i would go out of my way to kill them

[tight iron]

but, yknow, camping food spots just to kill juvies n stuff is just completely nasty

for example carnos setting up traps for juvie ceras to then kill them for fun

absolutely damn nasty

[bronze matrix]

that's how I play but as herrera and troodon
but there is no real planing to it
i have food i want to eat later they come and want to eat it
so i killl them hence having more food

[tight iron]

and again i would love to see them being bonked by pachies so they get all fractures, have their diets taken away and then be put on 0% growth

they'd get a taste of their mass murder

[tight iron]

or be tped to the most lonely place in the map that nobody's ever been in

[bronze matrix]

ALSO TO BE FAIR
being a troodon killing juvis is way more fair for the juvis than being an adult carno
a juvi cera can easily kill a troodon if the troodon messes up

[tight iron]

it's not about fair it's about is it to ruin someone's day or just for food

i go around killing things for food and that's normal, but killing juvies for sport is just stupid

they have no defense methods

it's just dishonorable

or killing afk people if you're not in severe need of food

[bronze matrix]

oh they have
died to enough juvis myself (speaking from a troodon perspective)
also if juvis see a pile of corpses and then just run in without first thinking to themselves "why are there so many juvi corpses lying around could be dangerous"
that's a juvi problem not mine

that being said personally I think carnivore juvis need more foodsources around the map so they don't run into those scenarios as often

[bronze matrix]

yeah killing afk people is scummy

also just to add something ontop of that
juvis have almost nothing to lose
they just respawn somewhere else and try their luck again

sometimes or a lot of times they tend to spawn in the same spot again, go to the pile of corpses again just to get killed again

[limber hull]

counterpoint: play the game or sleep so you aren't logged in

if you're AFK, you fully consent to getting demolished by whatever finds you

[bronze matrix]

counterpoint to that: if i see somebody who is afk it could also be because the game or their pc crashed

which would mean that they would not consent

[limber hull]

most AFK people I find are hidden in some bush trying to grow without engaging

i have no qualms with obliterating them

[bronze matrix]

yeah those are fair game

kinda feels like foraging

[tight iron]

i just spam f call so they wake up and it's a fair fight

i don't blame afk growers at all

[bronze matrix]

and alert anything nearby? nah
if you hide somewhere and go afk, you take the risk
usually it pays off but if it doesn't you should not be disappointed/angry about it

it's a survival game, "fair fights" should not be a priority

[tight iron]

you don't have to do it

i do it as a personal thing

and also you don't alert anything nearby the map is empty

[bronze matrix]

sometimes I do sometimes I dont
as a carnivore i typically do because i have some room left for food or nutrients
I'm rarely completely full

[tight iron]

well depends on where you are but yknow river delta n stuff is not populated at all

[tight iron]

if im in severe need of food im not gonna do that

[bronze matrix]

well I don't know that so I don't risk it

[tight iron]

but, yknow, if i could use some food, i just wake him up and then fight him

i completely agree with you when you say that you tak the risk by going afk

but, yknow, as a personal preference, feels better to know that the person you killed had a chance

it's more of a "i was honorable and gave him a chance to fight back"

sure, being honorable in a survival game might be absolutely dumb and get you killed, but it just aligns with my morals n stuff

believe me when i say that being honorable has gotten me killed quite a bit

sparing someone who can't defend himself and later on die to that same person for example

but, yknow, when a herrera jumps you and you're sitting in the middle of a field cause of bleed moment, you see 2 carnos coming, you accept your fate and they straight up refuse to kill you cause you can't even defend yourself, hell, you wanna do the same thing to others

[bronze matrix]

I think there might be disconnect of how we see the game
I think (and please correct me if i misrepresent you) that you see the fights or direct encounters as when the PVP starts
I personally think it starts the moment I load in:

• How do I move through the map (do you go through the open or hug the trees)
• where do I hide to grow
• what water source do I use
• where do I find food
• how can I scout out the food source
• what is the likelyhood of there being something dangerous
• scouting possible prey (can I take it, is it too powerful etc)
• and then in the end the actual combat or killing starts

that is why i dont feel bad for killing people that are willingly afk because I think they messed up in one of their decisions

[tight iron]

oh no they absolutely did

i dont even feel bad about killing afk people, i feel good about letting them fight back

[bronze matrix]

for me it there is no difference in seeing a afk player that isn't that good at hiding than killing somebody who made a fatal mistake in combat

[bronze matrix]

ok that's a fair point

[tight iron]

i see the fight as the milisecond i load in

i see an encounter the milisecond i see someone else that's not me

either that person's a threat or a friend

and, imo, the fight doesn't end when you kill someone

[bronze matrix]

yea ofc

[tight iron]

you gotta heal up and eat asap then dip before 900 ceras see you

eat as quick as possible and get the heck away

[bronze matrix]

yeah that's how I see it

[tight iron]

however the pvp imo starts when you see someone and he sees you

[bronze matrix]

nah

[tight iron]

might end without a fight, might end with a fight, who knows

[bronze matrix]

the other person doesn't have to see me for me to make a choice

[tight iron]

im sayin pvp yknow

one person against another

direct encounter

[bronze matrix]

an ambush is also pvp

[tight iron]

well not until you reach the person you want to kill

after all, an ambush is there for you to approach someone and get a massive upper hand before beginning the combat

[bronze matrix]

the set up / the hunt / the following of the scent / the positioning
all of that is part of pvp

as the hunter u want to maximize your chances
and as the prey you want to minimize the hunters chances by playing more careful etc

that's all part of it

because you never know if you are tracked

which is why (yeah im looping around) I'm ok with killing juvis (yeah i did that just now)

[hollow crown]

@crisp plaza school fish ai is on deino's diet it's bugged at the moment tho you need to catch a fish and let it sit for 5mn then it becomes dots diet

[limber hull]

school fish should not be on the diet

that's probably a bug to do with rotten food

[tight iron]

@full pewter i would absolutely love to see that for utah

that would just be amazing

[full pewter]

A thought provoking question, how would Barys fare against utahs, taking into account they could probably pull off Omnis.

[tight iron]

i'd think the sam ething

maybe just pull out a watch this mometn and snatch em off

drop to the ground and get the utah off its back maybe?

[full pewter]

Imo it’s just standard buck, no anti grapple nothing, means barys have to be a little more careful around utahs

[tight iron]

with both having an animation of getting up

[bronze matrix]

could be dependent on the direction of the pounce

pouncing a bary from the front gives it the anti grapple thing
from behind it'd be a regular pounce

[full pewter]

My thinking is Utah always strikes the same position, perched facing forward

[bronze matrix]

oh i meant where the utah would latch onto sorry

btw love the feedback post!
i think maybe utah would even use less stam during a pounce than omni since i can see it being a bit lighter build but every bite attack during pounces would cost a bit extra stam

[dusty scarab]

I was checking my crash logs for evrima and in all my time played I only crashed 5 times in all of 2023. i’ve crashed 35 times since 4/14 lol

[full pewter]

Personally I’d rather it take more since it’s damage based, a Utah shouldn’t be able to land more than 3 bites while latched, I also imagine it dealing about 1.5x damage since they’re biting the back of the victims neck

[full pewter]

Which would mean a teno takes about 12 pounce bites to kill

[tight iron]

@south oar uh adult raptors can't get in sanctuaries

unless they changed it out of nowhere

in fact nothing in an adult form can get in

doesn't fit and gets attacked by bees

[tight iron]

excepting troodons iirc

[sleek ingot]

Why exactly is everyone not on board with the suggestion I made? Is it that bad?

[tight iron]

yeah ceras and deinos are the great fps givers

they eat absolutely everything which leads to better performance in a poorly optimized game

[sleek ingot]

That is true. I would miss that.

[tight iron]

is it realistic? absolutely not! however it's practical as heck

[sleek ingot]

I just find the trolling aspect of it annoying

"Oh, hello Mr Herrera, I see you have 5 bodies nearby you wanted, half of which are not on my diet. I'll be taking those."

[tight iron]

LOL

[sleek ingot]

But yeah FPS is much more needed. It's just sad the game has not been optimized.

[tight iron]

well it is optimized, just not as much as it could be

[sleek ingot]

I simply just wonder why. Hopefully we get there soon.

[full pewter]

Performance is definitely the biggest issue to the isle at the moment

[desert arch]

I think they meant the inactive sanctuaries without bees

[bronze matrix]

@full pewter I would love more variety in AI!
I suggested once a giant centipede AI which behavior could be mapped onto venomous snakes:
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1238134541529514034

[full pewter]

That could also work, I guess my question is whether or not people would be ok with venomous AI anything

[bronze matrix]

Well if it comes to venomous AI the question would be how deadly it is or what effect it has on a playable.
If the venom has major downsides or is deadly, the AI needs to be easily spotted so players can work around that.

and if they can spot it, how would they deal with it

dinosaurs have no range attack

so if it is implemented well: absolutely
if it is not: nah (more annoying)

[fathom badger]

I have never seen an effect to this day that penalizes both the player and the wounded, it leaves you vulnerable and without less than 50% of your strength for a long time, I think the staff doesn't play on the island, it just adds things meaningless penalizing dinosaurs more

[limber hull]

@long edge pachy already has a head fracture immunity, so ceratopsians will have a similar thing

[long edge]

Oh yeah, I figured it was the obvious choice to give the facetank dinosaur, but I figured I'd mention it since there isn't much info about it out there :)

[limber hull]

fair enough

[midnight heath]

Some sancts just don't have bees in a lot of spots, I was able to wander the SP sanct as a FG cera without anything attacking me. Raptors as well could just stay in there, there were no bees in the majority of it for some reason.

[tight iron]

those don't even count imo

if there's no bees there's no sanctuary

[tight iron]

pretty much complete immunity even to carno rams

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message just reduce growth times to reasonable times so ppl actually dont mind dying that much

[limber hull]

i dont think they need to be reduced

[tight iron]

that's fine, we both have different perceptions

it's not like there's a true and wrong here 🤷‍♂️

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1243133906753163366 @cursive wave
this is a really good idea of discouraging hotspots by giving players an incentive that isn't just punishing AND it also deals with the long growth times
love it!
shame i can't rate the post

[limber hull]

imho, it actually is really bad for the game

it literally insentivises finding a corner of the map, AFK growing, then coming to the hotspot while adult

if anything, it only solidifies what it intends to solve

[bronze matrix]

hmm good point
although I can see it being a great tool against mixpackers
giving a debuff to growth if you hang out in a mixpacking group could be useful

[limber hull]

mixpackers often aren't including juvis

[bronze matrix]

idk about that
it's usually some big herb protecting small juvi carnivores
that's at least where I run into them often

(or the other way around)

[midnight heath]

I'd rather run into 4 stegs protecting a fresh spawn cera than 3 adult raptors with an adult teno.

One isn't really a threat while the other very much is.

[bronze matrix]

both of them are threats
just to different things
the first group will lure in smaller herbivores and dispatch them to feed the young cera

also most likely the 3 raptor 1 teno group started out as juvis since they probably know eachother outside of the game and are communicating this way

so having a debuff on growth for mixpackers would help

it would not be the end all be all but help it probably would

[tight iron]

i mean it does that but it also makes afk growing even better

discourages all kinds of interactions between players that are growing

[bronze matrix]

fair point
like the way they formulated their post it would lead to more afk growing

but i think the mechanic behind it could be used more efficiently to combat hotspots / mixpacking and not promote afk growing

like for instance a threshold could be defined at which number of creatures a hotspot forms
at which point every creature within the hotspot could get a growth debuff

or to combat mixpacking you could do the same thing
debuff growth if you are near playables that count towards mixpacking

i think there is potential

[urban flax]

But it still encourages afk growing
And does strictly nothing against mixpackers who are already full grown

[limber hull]

^

[grizzled totem]

where can i report hackers

which channel

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-na or #evrima-eu

[tight iron]

@full pewter i don't think that spamming the idea is a good idea

[full pewter]

I repost old ideas all the time

I doubt I’d repost this one for a while after today though

[tight iron]

oh

[full pewter]

Otherwise I wanna hear what better diet changes people have

[blissful tiger]

yes, my fps previous update was like 90-120 average and now im lucky if i get 30 after qol and it is laggy and buggy aswell

[hidden mist]

Did you enable DLSS/FSR or you have no such option?

[blissful tiger]

i dont know what that is but i didnt really change anything, as soon as qol hordetest dropped my fps just fell off. deleting config doesnt even help for me

[hidden mist]

Because, before the update that merged Horde Test with Live Branch, many people rushed TSR and got nice frames with it. If they put on the previous “Nvidia DLSS” option, they were getting horrible frames due to this setting being only an upscaler. However, “Effects” setting back then had an enormous effect to performance (and it has now too, but not that much in my experience), so if this setting was on [Medium] preset, you could run the game with TSR and Nvidia DLSS with quite the same fps.

[hidden mist]

That’s the case, probably. Enable it if you have, put on “Performance” or “Quality”. If you don’t have this option, probably you own a GTX series GPU, hence the game doesn’t use any AIs to upscale your pre-rendered scene, and you run it in the native resolution, resulting in bad framerate.

For some reason devs didn’t give us any TSR options after the QoL update, the option which worked with almost all GPUs. Dunno why.

[blissful tiger]

Ill see what i can do, thx👍

[tight iron]

when you hop on, go to settinsg and click apply

don't even change anyting, just click apply

[faint folio]

#general-feedback message @rough scroll I like the idea of a sleep mechanic, but hate how it's presented here. There are already many incentives to afk the game, we don't need a bandaid "feature" to let players afk through night because the night vision mechanics do not permit players to actually play the game

Also have no idea how the link feature works, sorry if it double pings

[rough scroll]

I understand perfectly, even because that would make the dinosaurs more likely to go afk. However, I see it as a way for you to become "afk" in a more immersive and real way, as a way for nocturnal dinosaurs to be more common at night than daytime dinosaurs.

if you want my honest opinion about the night vision in this game, it's that they should delete this night vision 2.0 from legacy and really make something new, a vision that you don't activate, similar to the first version of night vision that was presented to us

[rough scroll]

this is just amazing

[leaden crane]

So when are they going to fix the fatal error that destroys your Dino ?

[faint folio]

I agree with that. Ideally I want something like you show in that screenshot, then you can modify how dinosaurs appear relative to the surrounding-- maybe dinos with stronger "night vision" get other dinosaurs rendered with more contrast/detail so they're easier to see against the environment. It shouldn't blind you-- fundamentally video games are a visual medium. You take that away, and it's like why even play

[graceful valve]

@Superbius I agree about everything, BUT, reduce the lounge, are u kidding me? Is a honest attack, super realistic, is his strong move, what a hell, reduce it? No, never, about the rest, you're right and they need to fix ASAP, Deino is the only apex so far and they broke it

[graceful valve]

@thin cargo If u are talking about the fresh spawn deino I totally agree, ridiculous in and out of the water, they need to fix it.

[icy lion]

@mystic parcel That's planned for small ceras

[mystic parcel]

oh thank goodness

[limber hull]

@warm terrace deino is more closely related to alligators, which do build their nests out of twigs and other debris, unlike the croc. The deino nesting is accurate

[lucid sinew]

Finally a statement I can agree on.

You reply faster than Chat GPT.

[limber hull]

here's an example of a gator nest. Honestly, the only thing missing from deino is the ability to build it in shallow water

[limber hull]

i got done doing stuff with mates at about the same time it was posted lmao so i thought why not

[warm terrace]

Does it bother you that the average alligator was three to four metres long and weighed less than a tonne?
The Deinosuchus is a huge, heavy, eight-tonne lizard that has a hard time moving on land.

[limber hull]

sure, but its still a gator, so i don't really see how its inaccurate that it makes gator nests, given we have no other evidence as to how they nested

[stray spruce]

An irl adult deino can create this nest only with 1 visit to land if you consider how big their mouths are. You also need to think about how fast your water drains in-game when you try to create and also maintain a nest in game. Too much effort for such a little (or no?) prize.

[limber hull]

nesting itself is a rather unrewarding endgoal without mutations

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message dilos have one of the biggest stam pools

increase it and im definetely obeying this sign in regards to dilos

[limber hull]

idk why dilo would ever need a larger stam pool

its only slightly lower than omniraptor

[tight iron]

it has more than raptor

at least last time i checked with a race in a private server

[limber hull]

i dont think so

[tight iron]

ill have to try again then in case they shadow nerfed the stam

buuuuuuuut yeah dilo is quick as hell and has a lot of stamina

[wooden agate]

@fallen creek

are you on legacy or evrima? #general-feedback message

[fallen creek]

uhm how do I tell?

[wooden agate]

that means legacy lol

[fallen creek]

okay xd

[wooden agate]

give me one second

[fallen creek]

is it a different version of the game?

[wooden agate]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 message

yes, its a beta branch to opt into. legacy is basically dead and frankly not very fun either way

[fallen creek]

okay lmao, I was playing on the legacy version the whole time, thanks for the help bro

[wooden agate]

you're welcome :P if you have anymore trouble (which evrima can be prone to giving), just ask in #isle-discussion and we'll help out

[boreal briar]

@dense meteor, i like the first part of that, but the amount isnt really needed. Unless you mean to tell how much has been eaten, giving a visual difference for that would be neato.

[vital laurel]

@finite gust what are you talking about? Spiro gave even less fps at center

And it’s gateway not gadway

[limber hull]

@idle briar this is a tropical island, snow ain't a thing that happens

[idle briar]

damn :<

[limber hull]

(also legacy proves how garbage snow is in this game)

[idle briar]

ive never played legacy before

[urban flax]

lucky you

[hollow crown]

dibble...

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message @near ermine I genuinely think we're playing completely different games. In what world is Gateway a barren wasteland?

Every area you can go to there is trees, grass, mountains and water

that's barely barren

[tight iron]

with barren he means there's nobody in there

[near ermine]

Sorry, I had meant regarding creatures and food

[tight iron]

and i agree with him

actually very few places are populated

[indigo gulch]

oh, could you edit it for clarification then?

[radiant nest]

It’s very inconsistent yes, with regard to both ai and players

[indigo gulch]

just so we don't get this misunderstanding again

[near ermine]

Sure

[indigo gulch]

now I can change the X to an agree x)

[bronze matrix]

@maiden anvil What do you mean by exhaustion? A stam regen debuff or a damage debuff?

[next burrow]

Why you delete my message ain’t a bug I’m stuck how is that a bug gonna stave to death because yall can’t test you map you wonder why more people play path of titans yall just don’t listen to anything people say

[icy lion]

You can use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 to report bugs, type /unstuck in chat to use the unstuck command, and check the pins in the official server channels to see how to request admin assistance

[wooden agate]

its a 14x14km map, not every single part of it will be 100% tested. especially when theres an unstuck command in game

#general-feedback message @still monolith you're in luck! they're removing reigional spawning and bringing back random spawns

[faint folio]

It's a bug because clearly the devs don't intend you to be able to clip into and get stuck on trees. It happens, but it's not intended gameplay, hence, it's a bug

[tight iron]

@still monolith migration zones r a thing

however nobody follows them because nobody likes being told where they have to be

soooo yeah migration zones are just dead

[little coral]

Something seems off about the way bodies of water restrict night vision. I'll attach some screenshots of me looking one way, then looking 180 the other direction, but with the south plains river in the way.

across the river

across land

the vision across land is so much farther, but a small stream restricts the NV that drastically?

[strange quiver]

Extremely confused why people are downvoting a suggestion to keep regional spawning as a community server option. yknow, something that doesn't at all impact officials but gives freedom of choice.

Or at least make a way for friends to spawn near each other, a thing that almost every other multiplayer game has figured out.

[valid flame]

#general-feedback message
Alternatively, a single 200 pop count au sever perhaps

[limber hull]

i like it

[quick wing]

is the current ai spawning like the devs vision of the game with no ai except in popular areas or is it just bugged rn and theyre tryna fix it

[full pewter]

@maiden anvil while I do like this idea for troodon, what I worry about is how mixpacks would utilize this, like imagine a few troodons weakening a larger dino so their big carno friend takes it out

[full pewter]

From what I remember, the transfer to the newest version of unreal engine brought in some bugs ofc, and AI seem to be affecting server performance when there’s too many. My guess is they’re just doing the best they can now while they work to fix it. Take what I’m saying with a grain of salt though I could be wrong

[quick wing]

Dammit I thought they announced the hordetesting branch 😭😭

[full pewter]

Diablo released!!

(No it ain’t)

[maiden anvil]

I won’t argue with you because I see your point. I kinda had that in mind when I typed it but ignored it for some reason

[vale haven]

Omniraptors should be able to take damage, while pouncing on the sides and front, with alt bites by dinosaurs without buck features

[limber hull]

all dinosaurs have buck

[vale haven]

how do I buck?

[vale haven]

.

[limber hull]

hold E

[vale haven]

scratch what I said, we need a tutorial system

[worldly remnant]

@real mural can you explain wha t destroys hotspots? i want to understand it better. thank you

[real mural]

Player spawn locations

[limber hull]

removing them would be so good for the game lol

[tight iron]

@gleaming current play on unofficials

half the ping double the population

and no cheaters

[dense meteor]

#general-feedback message

If anyone has feedback or questions I'd love to hear it

[radiant nest]

@leaden crane there are already plans to stop juvis from chuffing and to stop you from chuffing around group members only

[cursive wave]

thanks!

[barren zephyr]

@full pewter For Ptera imo, I don’t think the stamina changes hurt it significantly. from what I’m understanding is that when people use it and don’t understand how to manage Pteras stamina, they come to a problem where they constantly have to sit, wait a 3 min period and that results to frustration. Because, I know a couple of skilled Ptera players who manage their stamina fine and cross the map with still a bar or two left and thus don’t have to have the same problems as the “average” Ptera player. What I would suggest for Ptera though is a stamina regeneration buff, because as you said it can feel like watching paint dry.

[full pewter]

I know what you mean, and I’ve done it. It’s definitely easiest when you’re flying downhill. For example you could probably fly from the northeast lake to the delta and easily have more than half stam left over. The main problems come when you’re hunting or flying uphill, seriously getting to the highlands can be a headache. And just considering the high regen, there’s a lot more pressure to keep it up than other playables, to the point where that in itself is frustrating. The thinking behind its changes seems to stem from ptera being “consequence free”. To that I say… it’s ptera! It can competently fight like 5% of the roster, it’s very weak. And if we wanna keep pteras from pecking bigger Dino’s, then give the Dino’s upward attacks. People have compared ptera gameplay to spectator mode for a reason, even before its nerfs. Making it more tedious to play was absolutely the wrong solution to a nonissue

[full pewter]

@vital laurel there should absolutely be mutations that you can only access through nesting, its probably one of the best ways to give purpose to nesting

[vital laurel]

Yes and it’s kind of confirmed that nested dinosaurs will get smt extra mutations wise but I feel like that won’t be enough to get the adults to nest, you would get a bonus for nesting as well

[full pewter]

That depends on the mutations themselves, which we will have to see

[leaden crane]

coming to an isle near you in 2039

[tight iron]

@full pewter this might sound stupid but from a raptor's side, there is not enough stam to properly pounce

like genuinely sounds absolutely stupid

[barren zephyr]

no one is going to stand there and let a raptor fully pounce them

[tight iron]

well we have that, wallcamping, treecamping, and very little bleed damage

you need multiple full stam bars to bleed things out, and pounces drain stam very slowly

so making pounce drain stam quite a lot more would have to be coupled with a pretty damn big bleed buff

[barren zephyr]

Unless they don’t know how to buck

[tight iron]

well dilos got lucky

they take away half your stam bar in 2 seconds of bucking

they are by far the dino that makes your stam go poof the fastest while bucking

[full pewter]

Yea I mostly just brought up raptors saying that I like how pouncing worked in 6.5 than it does now

[tight iron]

i do as well

it required more stam management than rn imo

buckign sent your stam to another galaxy so you had to recover it while being chased

[indigo gulch]

you genuinely need to be a in group in order to hunt something that knows what it's doing

[tight iron]

im aware

[indigo gulch]

gl getting a cera on your own

[tight iron]

i wouldn't try to solo a carno with how stam works

[indigo gulch]

apologies, it was more as in to strengthen your argument instead of going against it

[tight iron]

OH

how on earth did i not notice

[hidden mist]

@barren zephyr try some of these steps. [Validate file integrity / Wipe the "Config" folder of the game / Re-assign your settings again / #general-feedback-discussion message / #general-feedback-discussion message / Whenever you enter a server, hit "Apply" button in the Graphics settings (because it bugs really often, thus settings aren't re-applied automatically on every launch)].

Sadly, playing this game without DLSS or FSR is a one-way ticket to horrible frames now in most cases (it's still possible I believe if the "Effects" setting is at "Medium" or below). So, if you don't have any of these options in settings, I don't know what can help. I own a 3060ti and without DLSS get 30-60 frames at High-Epic preset, with it enabled more than 70+ almost all the time (outside of hotspots).

[indigo gulch]

to be fair, I could have added ''I agree'' to clarify

[tight iron]

lolz

[tight iron]

i mean i can't lie, getting a cera on your own is actually easier to do than you could think

however, never try to dogfight him unless he's a spam alt biter

[indigo gulch]

oh yeah but if he knows not to spam alt bite, it becomes VERY hard

[tight iron]

yeah

spam pounce and hope for resuls

[indigo gulch]

usually that result is your death 😛

[tight iron]

yep

[barren zephyr]

thanks, I'm currently using lossless scaling 2.0 and I get a consistent 60 frames. but my issue is that things like this and DLSS are needed for the game to be actually playable, especially considering it wasn't like this literally just 2 months ago

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1244127498275520593
Imagine running through the dark forest with your raptor buddies and all of the sudden you see a gen2.
He says: "It's a me Chris Pratt" holding out his hand. Before you know it he drives away on his quad forcing you to follow.
You just hope to god he does not drive of a cliff taking you with him. Pure horror.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

I literally cannot imagine anything worse than giving server hosts that power lol

also the idea that server hosts would be better at balancing the game is pretty laughable lol

[wintry whale]

@barren zephyr I agree with your post and would enjoy more transparency, but last time developers were very transparent about upcoming concepts, people were unreasonably angry, so it is what it is I guess

[wintry whale]

I want troodon to be the most powerful and nothing else even comes close

[junior nymph]

that be a admin abuse moment

[sullen sentinel]

Is the game unplayable for others rn too ?

[frigid anchor]

Which EU sever has the least desync? I cant play on any of them it seems.

officcial or unoffcial doesnt matter i just want to play

[lapis swallow]

petit pieds is pretty good regarding desync

you will experience some, but it is manageable

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

@copper cradle the trees are fine, and are based on actual irl trees lul

also very good for herrera

[bronze matrix]

tbf as a herrera main they are not really that good for herrera since there are no branches to rest on
but good enough to get away when threatened

which btw is fine because herrera should not inhabit those grasland areas imo

[copper cradle]

They could of used better looking trees, they make it look like they are not rendered in lol

[radiant nest]

#general-feedback message

I was the one who suggested putting them there due to what type of tree they are

Quindio wax palms really do look like that, and are found at high elevations

They’re the tallest palm tree in the world

Imo they give a wonderfully exotic vibe, making the island seem more remote instead of just an overgrown area

https://media.cntraveler.com/photos/54e79e5c6450ad091fd9dc86/master/pass/valle-de-cocora-tout.jpg

They also look good with the mists in highlands

[midnight heath]

I like the palms, I don't think they look weird in the Highlands either; I personally think it'd look super empty without them.

[copper cradle]

yes that screen shot they look amazing il agree

but like this, nope im sorry

and thats with everything on epic @1440p so can't say thats just my settings

[radiant nest]

Idk I think it looks really good

But I suppose I also saw them in real pictures before seeing them in a game so they look correct to me

[tight iron]

@cursive wave accurate utahraptor is planned

raptor mains rejoice we shall have two kinds of raptors

[frail bay]

Hello, i bought the game 4 hours ago and i like the game but after my first log out from a server im not able to find any servers anymore for more then 1 and a half hour now i tried every think i could find online but nothing helps so i came here for help. Hope somebody can help me..

[kindred acorn]

You are prob on legacy

[radiant nest]

Are you on the evrima or legacy branch

[frail bay]

öhm.. a miracle just happend....

for a minute i was able to find something

[kindred acorn]

You need to swap to the beta evirma branch on steam right click The isle in your steam library go to properties ---> beats and click the dropdown

[midnight heath]

If you just bought the game and didn't touch properties via Steam you're on Legacy.

The unsupported version of the game, it lacks official servers.

[keen hound]

All people were on north before the map update, where are they now?

[midnight heath]

Check South Plains

[frail bay]

a okay now it will update to envirma

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

"Raptors should be smaller (?). Dilos are accurately sized, but real life raptors are tiny. Also, Deino shouldn't do a deathroll animation as doing so is physically impossible for a creature this big. However, its biteforce should be increased to reflect the fact it was once theorized to have a bite stronger than tyrannosaurus (I know it is outdated information, however the Isle isn't aiming for complete accuracy), and it could also use a tail slap attack to defend itself. Moreover, it could have increased health regeneration due to its hard skin and increased healing capabilities, and stego's tail attack hitbox should be adjusted so it cannot hit deino and other targets that are very low to the ground.
I would also like deinosuchus to have an increased group size, as well as it no longer being a cannibal. There should also be underwater caves for babies to hide in, and deino should have increased water vision and an improved ability to sense movement in water, as well as a better ability to smell blood in water. And please make them emit no ripples when moving through water !"
Alright I did my best, tried to translate this

There might be some approximate wording

[midnight heath]

Thanks hero

[midnight heath]

Evrima is more intensive on your computer compared to Legacy, if you're not worried about specs it's not an issue but something worth mentioning if you're on a lower-end computer.

[frail bay]

okay now it says i need anti cheat ist this a extra download aswell ?

[urban flax]

Easy Anti Cheat is supposed to download itself when you first launch evrima
However sometimes it doesn't

I think there is a solution for that pinned in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 or #pinned-troubleshooting

[frail bay]

it worked thanks so much ❤️

[limber hull]

god damn legendary

[tight iron]

dilos aren't accurately sized they're way bigger than what they truly were

[cyan flame]

Are they really?

[tight iron]

dilo is the same size of an utahraptor

maybe a bit bigger but no more than 100kg

[full pewter]

@amber cosmos I think they should get less from the organs of non diet prey than they would from diet prey, but not nothing (unless they are a carnivore who gets punished for cannibalizing)

[amber cosmos]

Fair enough.

[mystic parcel]

It's already hard enough to get diets why make the game play worse? There's also the issue that at times certain dinos are not played in the server you're in making it harder to go for the dino in your diet

[bronze matrix]

A better way is to buff the nutrients you get from diet prey

[full pewter]

That’s not a problem with diets imo, that’s a problem with unreliable AI spawn rates and hotspots

[full pewter]

Sure

[mystic parcel]

In general the diet system isn't good. Ai will always have issues. Hotspots will always be a thing. Has been since game release. Forcing players to only hunt for certain dinos just makes the game more unnecessarily punishing. Certain servers I played in, I wont find tenos for 3 hrs irl other servers I see 10 in a herd. Other times pachies don't even exsist. As for ai some carnivores get almost nothing from them like cerato. Should they just suffer the diet deficiency? I mean bones don't give enough nutrients. Omnis also struggle with // as hunting stegos you need a pack and dilos sometimes don't exsist. For a map so huge players shouldn't be forced to only hunt a small amount of the roster

[tight iron]

@graceful valve petits pieds has that

also raptor is not op at all

gets 1 tapped by like everything so

[graceful valve]

If u are getting 1 tapped with omni u are dumb, like going direct to a full deino or stego, rip

[tight iron]

im just saying that raptor aint op cause it gets 1 tapped by everything

also no committing a slight miscalculation that gets you 1 tapped doesn't mean you're dumb

[tight iron]

and forgot to mention, while dealing little bleed and having stam that doesn't help it at all

[tight iron]

and, ironically, deinos and stegos are one of the easiest raptor targets

[graceful valve]

-Bl4ckH4wK- — Today at 3:29 PM
Not true at all, is super OP agaisn't most dinos, they can pounce you, make u bleed a lot and run or get above something to recover, while the others just keep u bleeding, just doesn't work with some dinos, like Stego that has too much hp and just go close to a tree or something to knock you down, so you can pounce but only for a second and he kill time the attack to kill you while you are jumping out, that is broken, how they manage to attack to quick with that huge tail, like a harpoon sometimes, and ceras are kind of impossible to bleed out cuz off-course, like all dinos, they also stay close to a tree or something and they do have awesome bleed resistence, he was made to be a tank and eat all the bodies, they shouldn't be so quick like that, cuz they love to kill juvs, sucks.

[tight iron]

raptor is not op against practically any dino

only dryo cause good luck escaping

if it is op cause it can actually deal damage to you, i don't know what to tel lyou

[barren crater]

There’s some things that need tuning. Those very same things are also the reason why raptors can hunt things in the first place. I expect Omni to get bodied whenever those changes happen

Carno is also getting changes so gl I guess

[tight iron]

carno can 1 tap many dinos, pachy makes you useless and mega vulnerable in 1 hit, teno destroys you with kicks, stego... is just stego, herrera does insane damage with 1 single jump, cera can force you to look for diet, make you have less stam and force you to water/food with 2 charge bites, and raptor has to slowly bleed you out with an attack that's risky as heck, taking many pounces or a few pounces and horrible decisions from the prey to actually kill it

and it can be completely countered by just going to a tree

sooo yeah raptor is not op at all

[tight iron]

raptor already gets bodied like crazy so

[barren crater]

It’s more of a “bucking is useless” sort of thing and a lot of playables struggle with Omni in the open, forcing them to use terrain

[cyan flame]

Stego would be one of the easier ones to go for, due to how easy it is to bait, and how reliant it is on stamina. Cerato is resilient to bleed, carno can and will actually run you down, teno can attack in all directions and quite well. Pachy can at least in theory smack you around, dilo I don't know how easy or difficult it is to take on. Deino is kind of "if it's far inland, you can just harass it until dehydration, if it's at the shoreline, forget it"

[barren crater]

Own prediction but when those changes happen, I kind of expect Carno to beat on large Omni packs again

[tight iron]

dilo is uh complicated to take on but can be done

[tight iron]

um carnos beat massive packs rn tho

[barren crater]

If the Omni’s suck yeah

And if it camps a good spot?

[tight iron]

average raptor sucks indeed

[graceful valve]

This game has no opening really, if any crap can take the omni out of the pounce, first of all, they should not be able to remove the raptor from the back going for a tree like they do or a rock whatever, so ridiculous, remove you from the sides ok, sucks but is fair, is real and is part of the balance

[tight iron]

honestly ppl need a way to get rid of em

either bucking or bonking you on a surface

however that by itself literally ruining the hunt for a raptor pack sucks balls

[cyan flame]

Shouldn't have added the back pounce, flanks would be good enough, just needed a bit wider angles and more leeway. As for knocking things off, there's reasons why that has to be a thing I believe, but it is a bit of a sad situation since it seem to mean you can't also have good bucking or otherwise actual interaction between raptors and their targets.

[cyan flame]

Ruins the interaction and any meaningful and interesting engagement at that

[tight iron]

ummmmmmmm

back pounce being added was a must at this point

first for pounce to pin second because raptor was ridiculous without it

[cyan flame]

Not sure why it'd be needed for pounce to pin? And well, I don't agree that it was ridiculous without it, at the very least they should have adjusted the flank angles and all that first

[tight iron]

yes

[tight iron]

to allow for more raptors to get on

[cyan flame]

Anyway, what would you think of adding so that if target is bucking, you automatically fail any pounces attempted during buck?

[tight iron]

please no

[cyan flame]

Fair, but that could just be argued that you only need a "full set" anyway, that's more a matter of stats, or if you'd feel like "four raptors on a stego wouldn't look good, five looks better" specifically for pounce to pin

[tight iron]

that is an abomination

[cyan flame]

Oh well, figured it'd make bucking preferable over using terrain

[tight iron]

you can't tell when you're gonna get bucked so it would force you to only have 1 raptor pouncing

everything you hunt can 1 tap you so

[cyan flame]

Well, you know the target can buck if at least one target is on, so ideally you'd get multiple on before the target starts bucking. Figured it'd be a reason to use buck, since it'd make you immune to more pounces while you're bucking, which you wouldn't be if you're trying to use terrain

[graceful valve]

Yes, that is why I think they AT LEAST, need to stop letting people be able to remove the omnis from their backs like that, that is a big BS

[cyan flame]

So how would you get rid of a back pouncer then?

[tight iron]

uh

yknow what's the best counter to camping? tap pounce

[graceful valve]

Or you go under something, like those trees in the sanctuary or someone else need to come help you take it off, good luck, not my problem, but going for a tree like if u were in the side, is so broken

[graceful valve]

I heard that tap pounce doesn't open the wound anymore, is only enough to maybe keep it open

[cyan flame]

Ah yes, because a grown critter is going to fit into a sanctuary, and how is some other critter going to reach any better than the tree could, also that'd make you reliant on having someone else around. But if we made bucking really powerful again, then that'd work

[tight iron]

tap pounce is an old thing

tap pounce is when you could actually deal quite a lot of bleed with a very short pounce

[cyan flame]

Tap pouncing shouldn't be a thing, thought they fixed that

[tight iron]

... back when bucking took away half your stam in a tick

[barren crater]

It’s not as bad as before, but you still lose blood

[graceful valve]

They did

Idk man, I just wanted to share it, how I hate the broken way that so many things are in this game, now was time to talk about that

[tight iron]

imo it should be a thing

cause you can just camp a wall and win a 15v1

[graceful valve]

Yeah the tap pounce should do some decent damage wtf

[barren crater]

Nah

[cyan flame]

Not for omni, troodon sure, but omni should not be tap pouncing. And yeah, you can, well, not to that numbers since attrition will kill you, but that's the whole lack of a proper pounce and counter pounce engagement

[graceful valve]

The raptor puts his hole weight to those huge sharp claws, tf, and if the raptor is running at 50kmh before he jumps, my god, imagen the power of that, not doing much damage is ridiculous

[cyan flame]

Can't have terrain use and proper counter, and can't not have terrain knock omni off due to collision issues I think

[tight iron]

🤷‍♂️

[cyan flame]

Is this going to be another "but irl" argument? :p

[barren crater]

So? That’s a realism take which can be used for anything? Carno would crush an omnis head with a bite.

[tight iron]

maybe, who knows

[graceful valve]

That would be cool af

[tight iron]

a carno would 1 tap a stego with a bite

and break anything's neck/body with a ram

[barren crater]

It would not be cool lol

[cyan flame]

Including it's own xD

[graceful valve]

Yeah, like he is going to get near the head of a stego, good luck, RIP 1 tap

[tight iron]

unless it's the head, yeah

[cyan flame]

But yeah, realistic damage values would be... not very fun

[cyan flame]

With current accel, you actually can, sure you might not get out, but that wouldn't matter if you one shot

[tight iron]

but honestly

[graceful valve]

No one was talking about be a simulator, super realistic, I wish, I'm saying that low damage for a tap pounce sucks

[tight iron]

im curious, why should tap pounce not be a thing?

[cyan flame]

Oh and stego would oneshot everything on a hit, aside from maybe a tip of the tail hit

[cyan flame]

Purely due to it being troodons thing and thus, omni should play a bit different, really

[tight iron]

it really helps with camping tho

cause you can just go to a wall and boom the fight is over before it even started

unless you're me who for some reason doesn't want to give the fight up

[cyan flame]

Granted, I would rather omnis do tap pounces repeatedly (since it gives you more chances to hit them on mount/dismount, which is more of an interaction than rubbing them of the tree), and just have troodon not pounce at all, or change that into something more akin to a jump attack rather than full on pounce

[cyan flame]

I mean, I think it's fine to say "hunt over" if target gets to a defensible position

[tight iron]

the defensive position is everywhere tho

[cyan flame]

Just the same as "it's too fast, it ran away"

Which it has to be due to no other counter being viable, which is part of the problem, it's a bit of a catch

[tight iron]

this is an issue imo

[cyan flame]

But currently it's "die in the open", and "still die in defensible position"

[tight iron]

everyone just camps 🤷‍♂️

see a raptor? go to a wall

[cyan flame]

There's no real "okay, they can't win now, I survive", unlike for example running away and properly escaping

[tight iron]

hell, i was even playing solo once and a teno saw me, immediately went to a wall and stared at me

the fight didn't even begin

i was literlaly just thinking: bro

we had like a 1 min stare before i said alr watch this

[cyan flame]

Well yeah, because buck no good, and landing hits on omni very difficult + hitting while mounting now that you can pounce from almost all directions + very unreliable, if possible at all, hit on dismount xD

[tight iron]

began just nibblin him to death

[tight iron]

i mean yes i dont judge him for that

[cyan flame]

See, and therein lies the thing, you should have had to give up at that point, not been able to still make it. If it had been a galli that had seen you, it'd have been gone and never found again

[tight iron]

but im saying that i find it ridiculous that you can just camp and invalidate the pounce

[cyan flame]

Unless it'd be one of the ones thinking its a kung fu master xD

[tight iron]

lolz

[tight iron]

im not saying you shouldn't be able to counter pounces tho

because you absolutely should be able to

but i find it just plain stupid that you can just walk up to a wall/tree and be like hehe no pounce for you anymore

[cyan flame]

I just think there needs to be more "outs" and properly failed hunts than purely "I am faster, bye now" or "I killed you" unless you make it easier to actually fight back and kill, which would come down to better counters and better abilities in general and so on

[tight iron]

mostly because the entire map is a wall/tree

[tight iron]

maybe

[cyan flame]

It is, I'd rather collision not knock off omnis

But it has to be that way, at least for now

[tight iron]

sadly yes

i don't even mind collission knocking you off

but the fact that it's over once you find a wall/tree (which are everywhere) is just plain stupid

[cyan flame]

I do, purely because it means any better counter is kind of off the table, unless the counter is just really powerful

[tight iron]

that's why i'd love to have tap pounce back, so you can keep doing bleed and damage even while that happens

[cyan flame]

I guess if we went back to extremely powerful and cheap bucking, then tap pouncing would be fine, but it's not quite how they want omni to play I don't think

[tight iron]

i guess

either way imma go for a while now, cya man

[mystic parcel]

Dinos should definitely be able to remove omnis of their back and I'm glad they can. Omnis bleed is strong and the pounce mechanic is janky where omnis get back pounces when they shouldn't have. If you wanna be realistic, a dino would land on their back to get the omni off, crushing them. Irl dinos would be able to brush things off their back using trees and branches.

[tight iron]

@analog owl you encountered a cheater

tenos are one of the slowest dinos

[tall hearth]

@mystic iron the devs are working on fixing these fatal errors. these are issues with the game, not you. they've fixed a couple of them so far

[indigo gulch]

I just had a 2 hour hunt fail simply because 1 full grown teno decided to camp a wall and some trees. There was nothing me or the other omnis could do. We pounce it, it camps the wall. It doesn't even HAVE to buck, simply sit near a wall and there is nothing the omni can do.

Instant knock off, tail slam without punishment, boom 1 omni dead

[lapis swallow]

did it really take 2 hours?

[indigo gulch]

yes

[lapis swallow]

you would have starved twice in that time

[indigo gulch]

I ate the bodies of other omnis

[lapis swallow]

cannibaloing

[indigo gulch]

?

survival during the hunt

I didn't kill them, therefore I wasn't canni'ing

[lapis swallow]

have you ever figured that if a teno hunt takes 2 hours, it might just not be worth it?

and if you fail a hunt for two hours, its not the wall that was the issue here

[indigo gulch]

have you ever figured that I might not have had a choice?

I wasn't at south plains, there was 0 prey. That teno was the first thing we found

[lapis swallow]

how many omnis were you?

[indigo gulch]

alright then, I already pointed out why we couldnt pounce it. So what else was?

[lapis swallow]

just leave if it camps the wall

[indigo gulch]

then I starve

[lapis swallow]

also, if it camps for two hours, it dies of thirst

[indigo gulch]

it was near the bridge pond

[lapis swallow]

it must have had openings in those two hours

[lapis swallow]

still needs to move to intake water

[indigo gulch]

and you know what happens when you pounce a teno in the water?

you die