general-feedback-discussion

[hybrid mica]

kk

what is wrong with the % i said being the 4 stages and just going from one to the other could take longer or shorter? for example going from 25%-50% could take 30 mins but going from 50%-75% could take an hour?

[winter void]

so you are annoyed by getting spawn camped in 3 spawns ?.. im so sorry for you lucky one to ahve 3 spawns .. 😄

like fr crocs had 2 then 1 now 3 spawns thats plenty for them and they are pretty nice covering a lot of the map <.<

[queen swift]

remedial

[winter void]

well we ceras got 2 .. camped by raptor mega packs a lot .. thats not a game issue. thats a community/player issue tbh 😄

even if they add every single pond as spawn. those problems will stay as long as peeps got that behavior ;-;

[limber hull]

three spawns is pretty average lol. Pretty sure most dinos have three spawns, it's not like only deino has it

[torn oyster]

#general-feedback message

By this logic, fish should be able to walk/fly because they're locked to the water!

[limber hull]

I feel like people overstate "locked to water" as if that's a bad thing and a massive drawback

You aren't just "locked to water" you have better control over it than anyone as a deino. You can dive, float, stay below for long periods of time, move faster than ANYTHING else, sense anything moving on its surface, use it to kill things with ease, etc.

It's like calling herrera "locked to trees". It isn't. It just thrives infinitely more up in a tree than on the ground.

[torn oyster]

100% agree with you

[narrow field]

to the people that are complaining about mixpackers and are asking for rules or mechanics to prevent that:
the devs are working on trying to deter mixpacking/megapacking, but its hard to find something that actually is a deterrent without it being abusable.
also, if you want rules to prevent mixpacking, there are lots of popular unofficial servers that have rules for that kinda thing. you dont need to make yourself suffer on officials lol

[midnight heath]

I'm still glad I made an idea on how to help with the mixpacking issue that was well received. #balance-feedback message

[mystic parcel]

@limber hull u like when dino gets dirty just for sitting?

[open orchid]

No one thinks its bad they spend most of their time in water, its bad because you can only reside in the rivers accessible from spawn. As of right now deinos are basically isolated to the NE and solely exist to eat other deinos, completely circular, and mind-numbingly boring.

The latest stam changes have cut deinos off from the south, and made it a bear grylls mission just to get to highlands. On top of that, all other dinos have a completely sustainable ecosystem in the south, meaning there is no incentive to traverse NE.

Its not being 'locked to water', its being locked to playing afk floating simulator 2024.

[limber hull]

you can get to south as deino though, i've seen them lol

[open orchid]

A very small minority, most just stay around spawn. Not very well designed if 99% of people choosing to play deino don't know how to get there lol

And I've tried multiple ways the past couple of days and it doesn't seem doable if doing it in a legit way

[midnight heath]

I've done it, it's doable.

Hard to tell but I'm on that little island in SP's river. I got here around 60% growth.

Got to fullgrown and saw one other deino

[dry falcon]

@limber hull lmao your name

[wooden agate]

@rough scroll #general-feedback message its absolutely fine that deino spawns as small as it is. give a chance for them to actually have danger while young, instead of being able to 1 shot omnis as soon as they spawn

[torn oyster]

A solution could be aquifers

[queen swift]

Ppl legit defending soft locking deinos to the northern east of the map annoy me. Either give a thoughtful solution to an obvious problem or don’t comment at all. Just because you were able to drag yourself through the mud and get there does not mean it’s an enjoyable experience for the rest of us. While I think that making deinos spawn smaller was brilliant, I don’t think putting them in a cesspool of other deinos who are probably starving was a good idea either. You have the option of sitting in dam near spawn kill city or being in a swamp thats so far from anywhere else and has such little food you will probably starve. FYI a fresh spawn cannot make it to highlands at all from water access. It simply cannot be done. You Have to wait to grow a little to be able to move. And all the while trying to avoid being seen by larger crocs and still trying to get something to eat ( especially hard since you can’t see at night either and the elite fish are about as fast as a f35 going Mach Jesus ) SOMETHING needs to be adjusted. Idk what but it just isn’t fun currently.

[limber hull]

You can get to south though

[urban flax]

I can't take the argument of "consider something is not enjoyable for the rest of us" from a deino player

[rocky raptor]

he trolls allot i dont even think he plays lol

[rocky raptor]

You can def get to highlands lake as a fresh spawn.

[limber hull]

again, disagreement does not equal trolling

[rocky raptor]

at a 25% deinos shouldnt i be able to grab a FG cera while both swimming

I agree, its like there is a feud on the dev team and some of them hate the deino guy lol

[limber hull]

based on this, you're going to think they DESPISE rex lol

[urban flax]

Deino players when the strongest creature is not the easiest thing to grow anymore : devs hate deino

[rocky raptor]

i played it on legacy and already think that lol

[limber hull]

there's no way

[rocky raptor]

its always taken lik 5 hours to grow so hows that the easiest lol and its only strong in the water and at FG

[limber hull]

time does not equal difficulty

[urban flax]

Time =/= difficulty

[limber hull]

deino has been one of the easiest carnivores to grow for some time now

due to the inherit safety, ability to eat rotten food/bones/its own kind, and the ample supply of fish AI

[urban flax]

And increased hunger time

[rocky raptor]

You have a river thats 20 feet across, now the main threat is your own kind and you are confined to that river. there is math there that can shut you up on deinos are the easiest to grow if your smart enough to figure it out

[limber hull]

you say that as if Spiro didn't have an even more narrow river literally teeming with up to 20 deinos at one time

[urban flax]

More like 40

[limber hull]

they literally are not hard

[rocky raptor]

stupidest opinion ive seen so far. ive hit FG raptor and cera far more than deinos. respecfully because they arent confined

[rocky raptor]

further proving my point

[limber hull]

how does that prove your point

people were able to grow 20+ deinos in one river and they're hard?

[rocky raptor]

take deino off the diet and replace with small fish then youd have something there

[limber hull]

that'd actually make it harder lol

[urban flax]

What

[rocky raptor]

did spiro have diet, never played it

[limber hull]

yes

it had diets

[rocky raptor]

how, less chance of getting to 25% then getting eaten by a 50% that just wants the diet and cant get a raptor or carno

why? because they are in other hot spots

[limber hull]

because cannibalism is one of the best sources of nutrition for any creature. It's why carno had its cannibalism removed, because when it was a cannibal, it was an overwhelmingly powerful megapacker

[rocky raptor]

so you eat a deino, if you play solo allot then you hit FG then get 1v2 by other then you start all over

so that is why its the hardest to grow

[limber hull]

no? any animal can kill its own kind, that's not unique to deino

stegos kill stegos VERY frequently

[rocky raptor]

for diet for perfect diet dude

for that 100%

for that growth

[limber hull]

you don't need to kill other deinos for that perfect diet

[sage sonnet]

can someone look at my feedback and say something ? i dont know i explained well or did you guys understanded what i said ?

[tight iron]

well about that, i cant understand it

[sage sonnet]

;(

idk how to explain it

[tight iron]

ohh i se

[spice lark]

I think you mean that if your one hex is full 95%-99% when you it it should finish filling it, rather than starting a new hex

[tight iron]

i understand it now

i dont think it would make any difference but why not ig

[sage sonnet]

ah yes yes yes thank you brother thats what i meant

[spice lark]

right now if you have one diet 95-99% full, and eat another bite, itll go to an empty diet slot

[tight iron]

yus

[spice lark]

rather than finish filling the diet slot you have 95-99%full

[tight iron]

it has a priority thing right now which is:

higher slot > left slot > lower slot

[spice lark]

You have to wait for it to empty to 94% to apply to that diet slot

[sage sonnet]

wait how last time while eating omnis as a deino it constantly fill the already filled spot idk how tho

[tight iron]

must've been the highest hex then

[spice lark]

yeah, thats a separate issue what your mother just mentioned

[tight iron]

LOL

[spice lark]

that it fills the first slot first etc

XD lol I didnt even mean that like that

[sage sonnet]

:( he meant it

[tight iron]

dw i made my name this name so i can troll others like that

[spice lark]

XD

mb I mean this other person were conversing with XD

[tight iron]

i am an absolute troll

[tight iron]

i wonder who 🤔

[spice lark]

]your mother is ill: Copy and paste.... Im not typing it out

[sage sonnet]

ok i understand now thx guys should i delete the feedback than if we already have that system

[spice lark]

its a tedious name!

I mean, honestly.... I think its a fine idea personally... not a huge deal, but a little clumsy and counterintuitive

the first time you do it the wrong way on accident is dissappointing

itd be neat if it just went to the diet thats almost full shrug

[sage sonnet]

yep yep yep i think it could be better that way

[sage sonnet]

very nice feedback @brisk latch

[limber hull]

the fact that we once again have another "punish mixpackers" without saying how is just sad lol

[sage sonnet]

lol

[limber hull]

im not upvoting an anti-mixpacking suggestion until we have one that actually punishes mixpacking and isn't used as a weapon by mixpackers

[spice lark]

I dont like the word punish.... I think mixpacking should be discouraged, especially among especially troublesome and unrealistic types.... But I think mixpacking does also occur in nature more than people realize, with obvious limitations!

[sage sonnet]

i tried to come up with a solution but you downvotted me asswell fair tho lol

[limber hull]

because it's hard to come up with a solution

[sage sonnet]

yep

[limber hull]

it's literally one of the hardest problems to solve

[sage sonnet]

i totaly agree and its easly abusable

[barren crater]

no

[spice lark]

Well, imho... part of the reason its especially hard to solve, is certain mixpacking is pretty legitimate. Herbivores traveling together or even protecting each other isnt totally unrealistic. Additionally, even if its just scavengers following around predators for scraps... there is often some cooperative efforts by different species... less commonly, because of the obvious issues and risks however!

Its very uncommon to see predators and herbivores or 'prey' animals cooperating(although some animals have multiple niches and behaviors and so sometimes there can be blurred lines.... certainly the more research I do the crazier nature really is. But, animals dont coordinate like people!)

[sage sonnet]

dawd dayum

but agreed

[tight iron]

herbis being together is called mixherding

and that is completely fine and i see no reason to not do that

however mixpacking is just atrocious

[spice lark]

XD

[tight iron]

crime against humanity

[narrow nova]

Just find a server that not allow mixpacking.

It is too difficult to implement ecology behavior through game mechanics

[spice lark]

I think it can be done, it just takes a very light touch, and theyre apparently hesitant to try too much, probably because any work that isnt forward is kinda wasted, and also not wanting extra pushback beyond the norm.... They have been fiddling with stuff and getting places, although Ive seen a few pretty clever solutions and ideas that I really think would be worth putting some effort into trying

[narrow nova]

I think we should start by identifying the players who attack their own species.
（Normal：didn't attack own species for a while.
In this situation if you have been attacked by another own species,attacker will be highlighted）
（Highlighted：if you deal a certain percentage of damage to another own species,your ID will be smelled by own species for a while.
highlight is longer for low competition species like Omni and teno,very shorter for cannibal species like cerato and deino.）
（If you are in the highlighted state, normal players will not be highlighted if they attack you.）
Make NORMAL teno playerA can smell teno playerB's ID because teno playerB attack a normal teno first.

I insist that cannibal behavior should focus on KILL rather than EAT.

[limber hull]

so if you defend yourself from a cannibal and win, you're highlighted as a cannibal and everyone will try and kill you because they can smell you?

and why would cerato and deino be highlighted if that's what they're supposed to do?

[narrow nova]

I you won't be highlight if you attack a highlighted player

[limber hull]

what if they aren't highlighted yet

[narrow nova]

I think competition without death can be allowed

[limber hull]

they intend to kill you. You manage to fight back much better as a better player. You get marked as a cannibal and scentable by your entire species as a cannibal, despite only trying to defend yourself

Sounds horrible

Forcing us to wait until they do enough damage to be marked as a cannibal so we aren't is horrible game design

[narrow nova]

If they attack first, they get flagged, and you don't

[limber hull]

you said "did a certain percentage of damage"

[narrow nova]

I didn't specify a specific percentage, just to leave room for more discussion, if you think 1 dmg should also be considered the first attack, then I agree with you

Because sometimes there's friendly fire

I think for an animal like Tenontosaurus,a bite should be tolerated, but a claw attack,no.

[limber hull]

so accidentally hitting your friend in a fight is cannibalism?

[narrow nova]

I think I should add this: attacking teammates will not be highlighted.

[limber hull]

so the meta is to trick people into joining your group, then attacking them to avoid the cannibalism marking and to be able to see them through walls

people already do this, so i guess it's just more encouraged for cannibals to do it now

[narrow nova]

Trusting people is your personal choice

[limber hull]

Exactly, hence why a cannibal debuff isn't necessary

[narrow nova]

Discussing player behavior is complicated, and you can always come up with reasons to break through the rules and mechanics（and my suggestions）. But I think at least the reduction of unnecessary cannibalism should be encouraged

Mixpacker and cannibalism behavior are getting this game more and more boring.
No matter how flawed that idea is, I think the attitude to reduce cannibalism should be endorsed

[limber hull]

@lunar sedge Nothing to do with size. It has more to do with the fact they now spawn in water

Rather than on land

So if you want the rock thing gone, you can spawn in forests away from water lol

[lunar sedge]

If I recall, Deinos are water spawn only now.

[limber hull]

yes, which is causing the rock issue

[ivory sandal]

That... idk, rubs me as mildly hypocritical

Correctly me if I'm wrong, but in what reality is a gaggle of tenos, pachys and stegos not worse than an equal amount of carnos, ceras and omnis

Hell replace the carnos with deinos I still don't see how that's proportionally more powerful

[hidden mist]

@quick vine just turn the DLSS on to “Quality” probs? The thing is that before there was no DLSS literally, and that setting which was called so was just an up-scaler, which reduced your fps by a lot if you was going to have it enabled without “Effects” below [Medium] or at it. At least that’s the way things were for me

[tight iron]

what you say makes a lotta sense, the reason herbi groups are fine in most people's opinion is because they herd in real life to avoid predators

however, you won't see wolves, coyotes and leopards living together and taking care of each other

[ivory sandal]

Can't you reasonably counter argument that with like, coyote-badger gangs?

Or those friendships of dogs and cheetahs (well, that one's captivity)

[tight iron]

you probably could

[ivory sandal]

So then what makes mixherding less bad than mixpacking

Both are atrocious

[tight iron]

a troodon with a juvie raptor is just irrelevant imo

but 3 raptors 2 carnos and 4 ceras is... way too much

the game is designed in a way to kinda be balanced

[ivory sandal]

As-is applicable to 3 pachys 2 tenos 4... ig diablos even tho they aren't out yet

[tight iron]

however certain carnivore species create a group and literally have no downsides, which is what makes them killable

[tight iron]

i guess you could be right, however only the fact that they usually herd in real life to avoid predators is good enough to make them "fine" in most people's eyes

you will never see big carnivores in a massive group

[ivory sandal]

Again, as-is applicable to certain herbivore species cresting a group, eliminating their bad matchups because they can lean on another creature to supplement themselves

If carnis can do it, herbis can too

[tight iron]

usually, herbivores are slow and somewhat clunky, carnivores aren't, so a carnivore mixpack is way more threatening than a herbivore mixherd

not only that, but big carnivores are balanced to be alone or with their same species, herbivores, well, not so much

[ivory sandal]

That's like

Not true at all though, at least considering the current playables. Tenontosaurus takes I believe roughly 5th place for fastest terrestrial and has enough bulk to brawl with everything in the game that doesn't have the 5t+ pass

[tight iron]

teno runs at 40.3 km/h

it is as slow as a cera

[ivory sandal]

I mean technically a tiny bit faster no?

[tight iron]

uhh trot speed yes but that's it

and its attacks are clunky as hell

[ivory sandal]

That's applicable to everything though

[tight iron]

not really

a kick takes 1 second to actually perform it

[ivory sandal]

The Isle as a game is clunky, you ever see a carno line up a charge only for half its stam to evaporate?

[tight iron]

so when you click right click, it takes a second to actually click

[tight iron]

well that's an isolated case ngl

[tight iron]

tail slam is plain stupid due to how many dumb things it does

you can literally slam someone in the face and he doesn't go down, you can also slam near that person and he goes down

the bite is just dumb as hell, half the times it doesn't do damage

[ivory sandal]

Cerato needs to keep its secondary held to do actual damage with it

Stego shifts its entire body around like a dark souls boss

Omni and troodon's pounces are annoying to use (imo, they do not feel smooth)

Tenonto isn't the only one with weird attack inputs

That'd just par for the course in turn-based animal games

[tight iron]

well it's practically as stupid as a stego

half the times it doesn't work

half the times it works but not the way it's supposed to

[ivory sandal]

That doesn't sound like a teno problem, that sounds like a game-breaking bug problem

[tight iron]

well sure it is

im just saying that herbis are slow and clunky, carnis are faster and more powerful

^^ exceptin stego ofc

that's why carni mixpacks are way worse than herbi mixherds

a mixherd probably aint gonna reach you, a carni mixpack will bleed you out, ram you like a train, charge bite you or envenomate you, blind you and remotely kill you

^^ and there is no escape from that

so, while mixherding isn't what a carni player would like to see, it's not really that bad if you get waht i mean

however the second a carni mixpack comes into the equation, it is joever

[high light]

I hope we aren't seeing carnivore bias making a comeback in Evrima.

[tight iron]

um

[limber hull]

well, deino, omni and troodon all got a buff while herbis got nothing, so uh...

[tight iron]

well

[limber hull]

pachy has basically been left to get shredded by omni (again)

[tight iron]

deino thing was to be expected

also i haven't heard of the raptor buff, what is it?

[limber hull]

Backpounce

[tight iron]

(i haven't played the game in like a week or smth)

oh yea true

the backpackin

ohh boi when pounce to pin comes...

[high light]

Omni can basically now pounce everywhere except for right in front.

[tight iron]

which is a very good thing imo 👍

also what's with the ai recently

again i haven't played the game i've been sick and doing more important things

[high light]

Basically added in male and baby variants of the mammal AI. That and they added a 150 player count for servers, with the downsides that no AI will be there.

Which . . . Doesn't really make sense — wouldn't you want AI in order to make the world feel more alive?

[tight iron]

i see

i have yet to test solo raptor in a no ai world

[ivory sandal]

Faster sure more powerful hell no

Tenontosaurus is practically a raid boss against carnos and rlly only matched by ceras with a body

[tight iron]

that thing is gonna be hardcore

[tight iron]

might just be me but i find tenos to be the easiest thing to fight in the game

[ivory sandal]

As what?

[tight iron]

anything but carno

[high light]

Guess you haven't heard about Teno's attack nerfs?

[tight iron]

cera, raptor, dilo, etc etc etc

[ivory sandal]

Didn't see those in the patch notes so im not inclined to believe they exist atm

[tight iron]

they are slow and clunky, if you're faster you basically control the fight

you leave when you want, you make him run when you want, etc

[limber hull]

oh god

[high light]

(I remember them doing some sort of nerf to Teno's attacks a couple patches back.)

Think it was less stun or something?

[tight iron]

how long ago was it

[high light]

Let me see real quick—

[tight iron]

okius

[ivory sandal]

I like, only ever play cera and I don't think I've ever won a proper 1v1 against tenos without buff assist

Maybe I'm just trash or sumn tho

[tight iron]

i understand

i typically just ambush them and keep baiting their attacks till they die

a good ambush with good damage is already an amazing upper hand

i wouldn't fight a random teno around without me ambushing it tho

either i begin the fight or im not fighting

[ivory sandal]

I mean I try baiting (I don't ambush when like testing matchups tho) but can't rlly do that when a singular kick has you floor and a second one half healths you (assuming headshots for both hits)

[tight iron]

i see i see

usually i try to bait a tail slam and go straight for a headshot, back off and repeat

i don't get greedy tho, any hit i can land is welcome

[ivory sandal]

That checks ig

I'll try that next time I'm playing cerato

[tight iron]

however, i don't play cera that much

im a decent cera player, that's pretty much it

but yeah my advice would be to not fight if you're not the first to attack ngl

[ivory sandal]

That checks for just game sense in general tbh

[tight iron]

i mean, with raptor you're pretty much good to fight whenever, but carno and cera that rely on a good first ambush... meh

the other day i was playing carno, was after some raptors, failed my ambush miserably and just left

[ivory sandal]

Raptor also goes through a cycle of being top tier and low tier so that checks

[tight iron]

they were starin at me like "huh you aint gonna keep going?"

it's just, yknow, not worth it, why waste your stamina and get caught off guard by them possibly? a raptor can turn the tables in seconds

[ivory sandal]

Tbf here that's also a mix of carno being a victim

If you put a steak in front of carno in a fight the carno would still lose that facetank

[tight iron]

yea

but, yknow, a teno can literally pull a denied moment in a second

[high light]

Okay, guess I was tripping. Oof.

[tight iron]

kick your head inside your ribcage

im not gonna fight a teno if i can't have him good

[ivory sandal]

10% charge activation + (iirc) increased stam drain for 300 damage and knockdown just isn't worth it when for 6 or 7% teno can layer in over 400 base damage no headshots

And on headshot knock down everything its size and smaller, or comatose carno

[tight iron]

oh yeah no carno ram is a joke

i begin the ambushes as a carno with a ram then back off a lil or keep chasing

if it's a dilo or smth, ram his head and begin the chase

if it's a teno just spam the ram till he dies

[high light]

Another thing I wanna say . . . Why is that one night vision that can be epileptic for people back in as underwater night vision? I thought we were never going back to that?

[ivory sandal]

Not like that's even feasibly considering if they weave the ram you're cooked, probably idk I don't play Carnotaurus

[tight iron]

i don't know man

[tight iron]

well

[ivory sandal]

Because we causing epilepsy attacks with this one 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[limber hull]

funnily, literally zero epileptic people have complained about it for the MANY updates it's been like that

[tight iron]

i mean carno is just not meant to harm teno but

if you really need to kill one, try spam ramming and baiting to then headshot

[limber hull]

it's been like that, since like, U6.5? And still not been a problem for any epileptic people, haven't heard a single complaint

It's been like that for literally over a year I think

only difference now with this update is that it's green

[high light]

I mean the new underwater night vision that came out with this recent update:

[tight iron]

r u playing on 144p

i cant tell if that's a croc or a weird salamander

[limber hull]

Yea that's the same underwater NV that's been in the game for a while, it's just green now

In fact, the old underwater NV was 1:1 with the original "epileptic" NV

This one is less like it because it's green now lol

[high light]

Phone moment:

[limber hull]

you can take in-game screenshots u know that right

[lunar sedge]

I swear they "try" and fix one thing and twenty other things break.

[limber hull]

yea that's called game development lol

[proud coral]

Only complaint I have about the underwater NV is that sometimes it can be a bit painfully bright. But other than that, it's neato.

....still wish Beip's underwater calls expanded it temporarily ;-; Like sonar.

[high light]

With how unoptimized Evrima can be at times, I barely even have chances to take screenshots as it can make me freeze for a long time or even crash.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

what? i couldnt even fathom what this was trying to say

[desert arch]

Make female deino bigger than the male, make stego unable to hit it cuz "its close to the ground" and buff its size to make it 3x bigger than T-rex. Oh and make it inflict fractures with lunge.

Seems balanced 🙂

[rough scroll]

i think it's completely right that the deino is spawning at the size it is now, my point is to eat small fish and receive a diet, at least while young, otherwise it's very difficult to get a minimally good diet.

[languid island]

lmao admin delete my post now

[lapis swallow]

bro is speaking in devil tongue

[languid island]

the video i'm making will be a cold shower for you guys

[lapis swallow]

what is it about? the benefits of cold showers?

[limber hull]

i just checked, they literally told you why it was deleted lol

[languid island]

where

[tardy lance]

There's a moderation channel fam >>

[languid island]

where

[limber hull]

moderation channel

[icy lion]

#moderation I pinged you

[languid island]

they didnt say wahy

why*

[icy lion]

We try to prevent people from repeatedly sharing the same thing aka flooding the channel

[lapis swallow]

Please do not repeatedly post the same suggestions. how is that not explaining?

[languid island]

understandable, i'm just getting the opinion of a wider palyer base, from different hours and areas

for the video

[lapis swallow]

video about what?

[languid island]

about the isle and developement

[icy lion]

Didn't you buy this game last week or something?

[languid island]

i had a lot of free time

[lapis swallow]

how many hours do you have?

[tardy lance]

You'll need it , as you've got like... 10+ years of dev work to research then 🙂

[languid island]

100h

[languid island]

i did that

[icy lion]

Alright, just wondering. I've seen a lot of videos "about this game's development" that have contained nothing but wrong information

[languid island]

legacy topics are all over the place

[wintry whale]

@bronze matrix Certain bugs are planned, we don’t know which ones, but it could be fun

[bronze matrix]

oh nice! didn't know that

[rocky raptor]

Why ??? deleted progress again? where did EU1 go? devs should learn how to update stuff without deleting progress, maybe hit up the DayZ devs and learn something.

[rocky raptor]

Was this a Lie?? >>>The process will likely take around 1 - 2 hours as we're also working to transfer all player save data to these new servers.<<<????

[icy lion]

Some saves may unfortunately have not transferred correctly, sorry

[rocky raptor]

2 progress deletes in a few weeks >>>???

Should add that to the description

[icy lion]

Any progress deletion from the new servers was not intentional

[umbral spade]

Bro nice thing with the Servers i think but please add the queue back -,- why you did this xD

[vagrant jungle]

Yeah my point exactly, whoopsie

[umbral spade]

thank you

[urban flax]

Welcome to playing a beta game
Legacy is still there if you don't want wipes every update

[languid island]

Empty dead map of starving simulator

[icy lion]

@wintry solar #isle-discussion message

[wintry solar]

ooh, thank you!

[normal lotus]

I have heard this from several people in pretty much the same exact style, yall connected or smth?

@minor shell it was an oops

I'm sorry but what in God's name are you yapping about?

Why was he banned?

[mystic parcel]

@zealous sun beasts of bermuda has that and it's abused. Especially when you win a fight

[pale kindle]

YOOOO where is the PLAYER QUEUE?????

[icy lion]

#isle-discussion message

[pale kindle]

thanks daddy

[urban flax]

@fleet tiger There is already a lore reason for the lipped/lipless inconsistency and the lore reason is exactly what you described

[spice lark]

Im like 99.999999% sure dinosaurs have a wide variety of 'lips'(although Idk if thats what theyre actually rightly called on reptiles)

[fleet tiger]

Thats dope as hell I didnt know that

[mortal elbow]

let me join my own london server what happened to queues jesus christ sort it out

[spice lark]

XD theyre working on it

[mortal elbow]

looked like they worked more on fkin it up

[spice lark]

I mean, it is a work in progress XD XD XD

I have faith in them >.>

[mortal elbow]

someone has too

[spice lark]

XD none of you heathens will!(jk, Im a heathen too! Rawr!)

[icy lion]

@modern dawn People asked for different regional servers to help with ping, so someone in the East Coast NA didn't have to deal with West Coast ping, for example. The queue system was not disabled intentionally and is being worked on

[modern dawn]

Oh thats interesting, apologies

[woeful zealot]

Ireland EU8 no AI - at least on paper XD

[radiant nest]

@junior ether it was disabled unintentionally and is currently being worked on

[junior ether]

https://tenor.com/view/just-woah-gif-27301594

[junior ether]

oh alr.

[mortal elbow]

fatal error = delete game

[river swallow]

Does deino make noises while under the water. I remember it used to. But I thought they fixed it?

[solid belfry]

#general-feedback message

[solid belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[lucid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thor-what-did-you-do-wait-a-minute-gif-18842259

^ What happened to the servers....

Game is truly a roller coaster...for every time something good happens in this game....something bad happens the next patch...

[narrow nova]

True

[tired kayak]

guys go check it out lmk!!
#general-feedback message

gimme feedback possibly I could update it

[grizzled umbra]

Generally a good idea. Love it.

BUT. At this point of the game development, when even the most important aspect of the game has huge issues (eg. performance and normal gameplay), implementing anything extra that we don't necessarily need is, imo, not something to concentrate on.

In my opinion getting the game to a point when people can actually play it without having serious performance issues and a long list of bugs and glitches, should be the priority right now.

[tired kayak]

I agree I think i said after the games done to avoid that

tbh I did kinda bounce around in my explanation

lol my b

[grizzled umbra]

Sorry, I missed that phrase. You did say that.

[lucid sinew]

I am a Call of the Wild player and I think a Truac system for Ceratopsian Species would be awesome but the game is currently too far behind for that kind of project.

[tired kayak]

all good lol

[lucid sinew]

Trurack system seems like more of a Path of Titans thing though in my opinion. One day there will be a better Dinosaur game for that kind of concept...

[limber hull]

It sounds a lot more like an Isle thing to me tbh

The Isle is far more the kind of game to but that level of detail into something like that lol

[lucid sinew]

Oh shite not this guy again

Just kidding...

[limber hull]

At least one of us remembers the other lol

[lucid sinew]

I came back to this game to check out the update....ngl game feels pretty dang good....and then they fked the servers last night

150 ppl on a server with no a.i will definitely be better once more species are implemented I think.

[limber hull]

Yea, agreed. Especially with diablo bolstering herbi players

[lucid sinew]

Also customizing skins without having to log into a server is great.

Idk if I am the only one who thinks this but I think the game needs audio settings. Players should be able to adjust audio levels such as ambience, footsteps, dinosaur call sound etc

[tired kayak]

I want more people to be herbi mains like me

[lucid sinew]

The Rain is quite loud...too loud if you ask me

[tired kayak]

they want it loud so u can't hear the rex behind you lol

[limber hull]

i kinda like how loud the storms are

the new weather i think is infinitely better than the old

i'd rather it be loud than dark.

[lucid sinew]

It's so loud I can't even hear ppl in discord voice calls

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-wayne-knight-jurassic-park-ingen-movies-gif-24822830

[lucid sinew]

Is anyone else having bucking issues?

[latent olive]

"we are being driven to resource guard and to be over arggo just to not die from starvation" i fail to see how this is a bad thing

[limber hull]

We have to GUARD the food we KILL as if we were ANIMALS

[safe hearth]

Those detail audio settings would be great. If i change something, the calls blow up my ears

[hollow crown]

that's so true @hearty sphinx

[radiant comet]

fvk the isle

where is the dibble?

[wooden agate]

@sullen ivy rex and trike are next after dibble

[radiant comet]

update dibble is coming?

[wooden agate]

sometime this month more than likely

(and by the way, going to harass people who disagree with your post isnt very cash money)

[sullen ivy]

im not very cash money, dw. bring on dibbleeeeeee

[finite valley]

"I had a blast with the game then it didnt work optimally for one day and I cant refund" wow

Expecting a lot from an early access game

[sullen ivy]

okay "haphazard" its been in early access for 20 years

[limber hull]

no it ain't lol

[radiant nest]

I sure do love some blatant misinformation in the morning

[finite valley]

Servers go down on finished games too you know

[sullen ivy]

yeah most of the time though they dont break a bunch of stuff without fixing it, or saying hey guys, had some trouble doing such and such, working on a fix now

[radiant nest]

Funnily enough, they did a exactly that

[sullen ivy]

ion see anything in announcements 🤣

[lapis swallow]

what is it we are talking about?

[sullen ivy]

im beefin

[radiant nest]

I mean they literally did tell you how to troubleshoot something lol

[sullen ivy]

yeah np, ill troubleshoot a broken queue

[radiant nest]

But also they have told us that the queues are broken and that it’s being looked at

[sullen ivy]

once again boss, ion see anything in announcements

[radiant nest]

Though I do hope they get them fixed soon…

[finite valley]

I agree that part should be in announcements. But obvi it wasnt on purpose and they will come back lol

[radiant nest]

Cause it isn’t in announcements, as we can’t do anything about it. Seems that the new server providers aren’t working well with the game

[sullen ivy]

almost like thats what i was saying

[sullen ivy]

so where did they tell us?

[wooden agate]

we switched from crappy epic games to amazon

it is so joever

[radiant nest]

I have a feeling that they primarily put stuff in announcements that we can interact with, such as fixes to common bugs and other such things

[radiant nest]

Discussion

[sullen ivy]

well thats handy for letting everyone know

[radiant nest]

yeah probably not the best, but it got the point across to at least a number of people and it seems like they didn’t know what broke specifically at that point so they couldn’t put together a proper announcement or smth

But also queues being disabled happens from time to time for other reasons as well

Again, man I hope they get those queues fixed soon

[sullen ivy]

that was the whole point of my initial comment, was that they deserve the frustration they're getting because of their poor communication..

its not hard to make things obvious for people who play their game without digging through a discussions chat for information

[radiant nest]

Well.. I wouldn’t say that was the only purpose of your feedback post. Unless you meant something you said in here

[sullen ivy]

yes in here im meaning

[radiant nest]

@split estuary there already is one

[split estuary]

Never seen that, is that for specific herbis?

[steady sage]

The queues are back now

[radiant nest]

It’s for a lot of things actually. I’ve been there as teno, galli, stego, and hypsi. It’s generally somewhat populated when a migration zone there is active

[valid flame]

To be honest it seems like herbis need work over all, the ratio of carni's to herbi's is way out of proportion.
I'm currently sitting on a rock with a perfect diet as my teno just waiting to grow

There's simply nothing that needs to be done other than wait to get bigger

[split estuary]

Let's just be honest, map of this size is too big for 100 dinos... Normally it would've been much more populated... But that would cause only bigger lags etc..

[lunar sedge]

This is the current map

This is pointless.

Entier north west is pointless.

All you need to do is merge this.

With this.

Maybe keep the Highland because I like the way it looks.

The giant domes are causing nothing but lag and resource bloat because WE CAN'T USE THEM.

[radiant nest]

Under development, whole map is planned to be used

[wooden agate]

early access map is undone? insane!

[burnt bone]

Domes arent finished yet, island requires mutations and certain dinos, and some dead zones are planned to be places for humans to not deal with as many dinos

[lunar sedge]

This is going on what Triicky said that the map is simply too large for 100 players.

[wooden agate]

you mean the player count they increased to 140 last patch on some servers

[lunar sedge]

Most servers are still 100.

[radiant nest]

Eh honestly it’s not bad when everyone moves around or migrations work as intended

Hopefully migrations are finished soon

[burnt bone]

we have migrations and such so that we can cluster people together more. However, I can agree the map is a bit too large, but the lack in players count is more due to the amount of strain on the servers.

[lunar sedge]

Migrations really need some work. One hungry adult Stego can wipe out a zone.

[radiant nest]

Yeah lol

[lunar sedge]

If the Trike shares the same zone with the Stego. They're both going to just starve.

[radiant nest]

Also it’s so annoying when a zone doesn’t spawn one of the nutrients

Like I was in a migration zone right after a restart and there was only one lipids spawn

[burnt bone]

server performance has been getting better each update though. previously 100 players would be a heavy strain on the server, now they can run up to 150 people with no ai and still function well

[lunar sedge]

Tell me about it. I had a Highlands with no bars and a jungle with no dots.

[radiant nest]

And coastal zones seem allergic to lipids as well

[wooden agate]

imo migration zones should be absolutely thriving with diet food

the only thing that should be able to empty them is like a herd of apex herbis or something

[lunar sedge]

The only zone I've seen give proper food was the Pachy zone in East Plains.

[lunar sedge]

Kinda does and living in the UK I can say just as useless.

[normal lotus]

Its...a work in progress map

[mortal elbow]

i logged out with carno logged back in shows menu for picking dino so thought i died on safe logout maybe to another player? anyway made a cera for abit got a fatal error and then logged back in and im now the carno i once was the london server so i have no i dea whats going on

[icy lion]

#announcements

[boreal briar]

@proven zinc Did they change the tracking in the last couple patches? It's not that hard to track most of the time, especially when they are bleeding.

Least it was the last time I played, during the latest hordetest.

[split estuary]

Does anyone knows when Deino is fastest?

[lunar sedge]

Sub adult just before it gains its last few tons.

[split estuary]

Hmmm, any precise numbers %?

[lunar sedge]

Though this was before the nerf.

Looks like just as it turns sub adult. Then it gets fatter.

[split estuary]

Nice, I see.. Thanks a lot

[quick sierra]

I mean if they plan to have more then 100 players i can see this be something they head to

[desert arch]

When it hits 100%, so 18km/h

[desert arch]

Those numbers are outdated now, a not fully grown deino will always be slower than a fully grown one.

(On land at least.)

[tight iron]

@spice orbit it works, it just sucks

[craggy terrace]

Hey, does anyone know a fix to easy anticheat not being installed with the game? I tried reinstalling and verifying game files

Never mind! going into the steam files and pressing the installeasyanticheat worked c:

[torn oyster]

#general-feedback message
While I do love this game and see the massive potential it has, I kind of agree that with every patch it seems to be "two steps forward & two steps back." I'm a software developer (not games, but desktop and mobile) and if I had the track record this team has, after ten years, I'd have been fired years ago. I wish I could help them 😭

[torn oyster]

#general-feedback message
Like a "reload" button instead of relog

[long rampart]

Add Dryosaurus back to Official Server Sydney!!

nvm i se eit was mistake

[torpid rock]

I am not sure what happened as of late but played/streamed this game for 4.5 hours the other day Died twice two different dinos, Gator/Velociraptor, to starvation or dehydration , saw like no dino's or AI prey. Traveled with gator forever saw nothing once I left main spawn area and even there barely saw a thing, died in the ocean seeing barely any fish or anything else LOL, and Veloc killed a deer when I started and saw nothing for the whole rest of the stream traveling all over and server was full, not even AI prey so starved to death lol...? Usually game is fairly adventurous and active but it was the most boring stream I have done in a while lol was a bummer. I find AI prey is usually always none existent. I am by no means a big streamer but it was sad even for me lol

[torn oyster]

They lowered AI allegedly because player feedback during hordetest was "moar player interaction needed"

But I feel like it's had the opposite effect

[torpid rock]

Hugely i think for one as a youngling you can barely grow without a little AI prey to start you starve or are killed before you can do anything. And lowering it is one thing non existence is another lol at least it seemed it to me lol

[sullen ivy]

anyone elses games crash when they tab out after update?

like not everytime, but it does happen?

[torn oyster]

Usually when Im alt-tabbing back and forth too quickly.

[sullen ivy]

sweet thankyou!

[olive hollow]

yesterday I found a deer and goat in highlands today nothing, feels like the AI have been reduced overall. anyone else having trouble finding AI food also?

[torpid rock]

Yappers read above a few its like it became non existent.

[tacit vigil]

so we're really going into the weekend with no fix for the fatal errors and lack of AI, huh?

[tacit vigil]

That's not the reason, they broke AI spawn with the new patch

[torn oyster]

Oh, you obviously know better then, cool!

[tall hearth]

One of the devs said they would push a patch out sometime today that's aimed at fixing it

[radiant nest]

You had me thinking it was Friday already…

[raw hedge]

One thing I’d like to see is a bit more food and nutrients for babies when they spawn. Just a bit more food etc.
also would be great if they added old school ai spawn areas. If you wanna force player interaction, have ai spawn around migratory zones. That’s my idea of how to fix the player interaction and ai issues.

[ivory sandal]

@chrome berry iirc boa got just

Flat out cut out of the roster

[limber hull]

I wish boa was still here :(

[ivory sandal]

why do I feel like you don't

Perhaps the most unnecessarily mechanically complex playable possible in a creature game

[radiant nest]

Snake cool

[limber hull]

because i am generally negative about most things

[radiant nest]

lol

[limber hull]

BUT i do ike titanoboa

[ivory sandal]

I mean I thought it was coming from a place of logistics regarding the introduction of a constriction grappler in a game like this, but that works too

[limber hull]

i think a constrictor/grappler works fine as long as it isn't overtuned

in the case of titanobao, the "it can counter deino" stuff i find absurd

but it hunting smaller prey around 2 tons or less, would be fine

[ivory sandal]

People actually say that? Have they not watched the videos of even sub adult gators exploding out of Burmese python stomachs?

[limber hull]

people literally want titanoboa to constrict around an 8 ton deino and kill it, yes

which is... frankly absurd

[ivory sandal]

Considering boa is like 2t< (i get it, this is the isle and things arent realistic nor accurate, but hypotheticals shouldnt be deep-end jump8ng into million-tonne titanosaurs), that is really absurd

[silver kelp]

is that okay that ping to official servers raised twice?

[bronze matrix]

@tender latch Giant insect AI (as long as they are somewhat grounded) would fit the horror aspect of the game really well. It also fits into the tropical - dinosaurs setting. It would be kinda like skull island in the 2005 king kong movie.

[tender latch]

Have you ever played the crappy Turok game from 2008? It had some freaky giant enemy bugs living in caves and stuff
Always an interesting concept

[bronze matrix]

No i haven't. I really need to play this game since I hear from it a lot.
But back to the isle:
I think also that giant insect ai is really well suited for being ai because like zombies arthropods don't need to be that smart and can serve more as a hazard than "real" AI

[icy lion]

@jagged coral The store page will be updated with new images and a new trailer once evrima is made the default branch

[vapid ravine]

Honestly think they should go back to the first Map for evrima

[jagged coral]

can't wait to see that

[jagged coral]

nah

[vapid ravine]

Gateway is so laggy and its really bad

also the diet system, beginner players arent gonna have fun the first time they play.

[vapid ravine]

why not?

[jagged coral]

not suitable for roaster

[vapid ravine]

well gatway isnt suitable with people who dont have an RTX 4060+

[icy lion]

Have you cleared your config folder since the recent updates?

[vapid ravine]

what does that do

[icy lion]

Helps me get 20-30 frames on a 1050ti

[jagged coral]

I have a great RTX 2060 with epic graphics and I have between 60 and 90 fps in general

[icy lion]

It's recommended to do this after every major update

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[vapid ravine]

hmm

if this works ima love u forever

[vapid ravine]

it works a little

[vapid ravine]

how much graphics do u play on, im getting 30's

[icy lion]

Mediums mostly, I keep 3d resolution at around 50

[vapid ravine]

oh ye

[icy lion]

And obviously turn Lumen/raytacing off lol

[vapid ravine]

i try and change my effects but like they keep on resetting how do i fix it

[icy lion]

You have to change them in the main menu afaik

[pseudo pebble]

no officials showing up for me. I went back multiple times, closed the game and steam. nothing works

[icy lion]

Are you on the evrima branch?

[pseudo pebble]

yes sir

[icy lion]

Maybe try verifying the game files, or completely shut down steam using task manager

[pseudo pebble]

ok will try

nope, its just scanning all the time. I also deleted saved folder

this is so weird. I never had this before

[icy lion]

What's the game version listed in the bottom right of your main menu?

[pseudo pebble]

0.14.28.61

[icy lion]

Your game isn't updated. Make sure you're on the evrima branch, not hordetesting

[pseudo pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/idiots-face-palm-people-funny-gif-16750238

thx ^^

thats so typical me

[steady orchid]

the should add the last head camera tracking , the faster one

in my opinion it was more realistic

[vapid ravine]

Is the stam regen broken

[steady orchid]

no

[icy lion]

@fiery bough The roadmap is here #isle-phase-three message and any data loss from the server migrations was unintentional. Said migrations have concluded #isle-discussion message

[boreal briar]

@tawny comet You know how there's cooks, friers, and cashiers at a McDonalds? Different jobs focus on different things... I doubt the people working on animating dinosaurs and mixing audio have much to do with performance. They can do both at the same time.

[icy lion]

@calm spade I believe hypsi is still planned to get the ability to climb! Not sure about any other herbis though

[boreal briar]

Would love a flying squirrel style lizard x)

[calm spade]

oh nice than XD, hope they will add fruits or something you can eat on a tree, for me the two most interesting developments in isle is the addition of climbing and flying so if they had one dino that could climb and glide it would be the only dino i will play with XD

like this maybe XD

[neat drum]

@ivory estuary they cant do playable 100 player server and you wants 300?

[ivory estuary]

Yes

[neat drum]

ohhh. okey

youre hopefull

[tight iron]

300...

that would nuke the servers

[spice lark]

I mean, to be fair.... If we dont go WWIII, the underlying architecture for the web is improving... I think it might be a while for 300, but 150-200 in the next few years IS unreasonable for how things are now, but not very unrealistic for a little later down the road...

[opal gate]

i must say.... im done with this game at the moment... i cant hear any more rain...... The pounce and bleed is another extreme that split the game... one part love it the other not....

But then on top with the AI it is not worth my time..... i play it later again but im done for it now....

After every updates is something other broken or "good" for the game experience.....
50kg deinosuchus XD

Herrera that can not hunt a frog because its faster....

All Ai you cant sneak on because they "see" you and ran away..... Or better pigs you up

Its simply not fair

Pteradon.... stamina regen not exists and for every fish you must land, eat it and fly again.......

[lapis swallow]

50 kg deino makes it actually difficult to grow

[lucid sinew]

Alright...now this is what I like to see from the servers....all we need to see is EU, NA, etc and numbers, it is more organized this way.

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[icy lion]

@tawny urchin they are

[neat drum]

@icy lion did you try join any server? devs broke queues more than was before patch

[spice lark]

Well, pro pt is grab a fish, drop from air with g and grab another...

but everything else you said is just about right..... >.>....

Prob shouldnt****(typo) HAVE to play PT that way to JUST survive either....

[pale kindle]

If all the people wouldn't sit in 30+ queue's and played the No AI server that would be lit......

[boreal briar]

They are in fact back in the game, my guy. I joined a queue this morning.

[spice lark]

"LoL Cheezels: BRO I JUST DOWNLOADED THE GAME WANTING TO PLAY IT AGAIN. IT DOWNLOAD LEGACY. ITS BEEN 2+ YEARS SINCE EVRIMA BRO, LEGACY IS NOT A REAL GAME MAKE IT SECOND PLACE SO THAT EVRIMA IS DEFAULT DOWNLOAD! All I have is 1000hrs in game, 800hrs in legacy. I moved on so should you! "

Why cant I react to this? O.o

[urban flax]

Probably because he blocked you
That's what short-tempered people do

[spice lark]

I can still see it though shrug

[limber hull]

being blocked doesn't stop you from seeing messages

[wooden agate]

@scarlet thicket why6 not... just switch the branch

[scarlet thicket]

WDYM

[wooden agate]

why not just switch to evrima

you can do that you know @scarlet thicket

if the devs dont think evrima is ready for main branch, cant really argue w em about it. but i dont see why you cant just switch over to evrima

[scarlet thicket]

I had factory reset my PC, when i redownloaded steam it must had swapped it back. Me being away for so long with no a thought of the isle in my mind waiting for fall release, my friend ask want to play the isle i said sure. hit download not thinking ended up loaded into legacy

[wooden agate]

[scarlet thicket]

Yeah i have that too with other post

[spice lark]

Well, all it lets me do is agree with the pre-existing X :I ..... I can react in other channels, but this one can only click which ones were already clicked(agreeing with one) and you dont have a green one to click O.o shrug

[vapid ravine]

bruh why dont people want the heart icon back, the new one is so garbage

[flat grotto]

this weather can kill me... im waiting right now already like 20 minutes and this rain not stop..

half a day is dark..

[tight iron]

i have no idea

apparently it's cause devs don't want us to metagame to see our health or smth

[limber hull]

because it creates a boring-ass meta-gamey style combat stuff

[tight iron]

meanwhile the food water blood and oxygen indicators:

[limber hull]

i still fail to see how those are remotely comparable

[tight iron]

meanwhile the bite force counter that lets us do the same thing:

[tight iron]

they are practically the same thing

[limber hull]

frankly i want that changed

[limber hull]

they are not

[tight iron]

they tell you exactly how much (insert thing here) is left

after all, they're indicators

[limber hull]

yes, but they aren't like seeing your exact HP in %

[tight iron]

they indicate 🤷‍♂️

yeah i know, but it's practically the same thing

one lets you see the exact blood in %, one lets you see the exact food in %, diet, oxygen, water, and so on

[limber hull]

sure, but you don't need to know your exact HP. Not knowing those exact stats makes survival a lot harder, in an unfair way

[tight iron]

well yes you do need to know your exact hp

[limber hull]

no you don't, not really

[tight iron]

hp is way more important than practically anything else

[limber hull]

for natural, simple survival? No.

[tight iron]

uh yes it's waht keeps you alive

nothing is more important than hp in this game pretty much

[limber hull]

and yet it's the one stat you can obfuscate without much issue

because it's not relevant unless you're already in dire straits

[tight iron]

it is always relevant

[limber hull]

said dire straits being avoided by afformentioned food, water and stamina

[limber hull]

and yet we can operate entirely fine without a HP bar

[tight iron]

that doesn't mean it's irrelevant

it just means we have ways to kinda figure out how much health we got

[limber hull]

i never said it was irrelevant

[tight iron]

hi

[limber hull]

did i say that it's irrelevant

[tight iron]

unless you're in dire straits, yes

[limber hull]

yes, thank you for adding the additional context

[tight iron]

you're pretty much always in dire straits imo ngl that's why i completely ignored that last part

[limber hull]

no you aren't

[tight iron]

^^ so that you, yknow, at least know the context

[limber hull]

you literally are not always in dire straits unless you are actively ignoring food and water while seeking fights

[tight iron]

i see what you mean

however the fact that you can, at any time, be killed without warning or anything makes it somewhat dire all the time

at any given time 5 carnos can appear and demolish you

[limber hull]

not really, no, because that's not dire if it's not happening

it becomes dire when said carnos are actually on top of you

[tight iron]

yeah i get what you mean

[limber hull]

i am not in dire straits peacefully nesting in the jungle with ample food and water

[tight iron]

alr well the thing about the indicators is

we can see water, food, etc, i fail to see why we can't see health

we can't feel stuff like we do in real life, metagaming will happen

if using a health indicator is metagaming, so is using a food indicator

and why would you go for a last bite if you're already low, tho? it doesn't make sense

imagine we had the heart in the character screen, if i saw 15% im legging it, i can tank a few tail hits, even a badly placed body hit but it's not worth it

[limber hull]

not really, no

[tight iron]

interesting

why exactly?

[limber hull]

because one is used specifically for a combat advantage against other players, the other is used purely for your own self-sustaining, it has no relevance to other players

[tight iron]

for a combat advantage?

[limber hull]

it becomes "metagaming" when you use said knowledge to make decisions based entirely on numbercrunching to gain an advantage

[limber hull]

seeing your exact health grants a considerable combat advantage, yes

[tight iron]

both are used for yourself, not for a combat advantage

you can't see someone else's health, so you can't get an advantage solely on that

you can try to figure it out, but that's pretty much it

[limber hull]

you are able to keep track of exactly how many more hits you can take, and compare them to your opponents damage, allowing you to make decisions that otherwise make zero sense in an animal survival game, like facetanking

the idea of the new health is to encourage more retreats

rather than "I have exactly 37% HP, thus I can facetank a few attacks"

[tight iron]

i see i see

that's a valid point in my opinion, however health is so essential that i just don't see any reason to completely block the knowledge of your health only because of what you just described

specially since, now that we're talking about a survival game, you know, in a survival situation, how many hits you can take

[limber hull]

because the objective is not to encourage deathmatching

it is to encourage you seeing that you're hurt and gtfoing before it gets worse

[tight iron]

yeah im aware

i simply believe that seeing your actual health is too important to have it removed because a few people use it to calculate how much damage they can take

[craggy terrace]

I think that the health bar we had was important (very important to me), not because i sought out fights, but to see how much health i lost starving/falling etc. If we want more realism then it makes even more sense to have a health bar, because it allows us to see what the animal feels. Green, yellow, red doesn't accurately show me where on the scale I'm hurt. I have no idea how hurt I am and its a problem to me. Stub my toe? yellow? am i even able to take down a player so i don't starve? People who know the game well already knows ca. how many hits they can take from specific dinos, why make it hard for casual/ new players to understand too?

[urban flax]

But knowing your exact health isn't accurate
You may have noticed pain almost never accurately reflects what's happening to you

[limber hull]

at what point have you hurt yourself and gone "good lord, i am exactly 95% of my maximum HP" rather than "ow"

if anything, the heartbeat is far better at reflecting what the animal feels

green = not that hurt
yellow = injured
orange = very injured
red = critical condition

[urban flax]

I would honestly like it better if the heartbeat would change colors smoothly instead of in stages

Would be both clearer and also better for preventing metagaming

[craggy terrace]

I think I know a clear difference between "ow i scraped my arm that really hurts" and "OH MY GOD my arm is broken" and between "I dont have an arm anymore". What im trying to say is that the color coded stuff is too vague for me, and especially people who are red/green colorblind

[wooden agate]

or we could implement more immersive systems instead

[craggy terrace]

What would you like to be implemented?

[wooden agate]

literally anything more immersive than "oh im at 45.79% health!"

id take legacy health screens over heart meter

[craggy terrace]

yeah, the legacy health screens i understood way better than this evrima color coded stuff

[steady pumice]

@blazing thicket your feedback about exposing the names of people who KOS , only encourages targeting and more toxicity

[blazing thicket]

Do you think that we should just silently accept the toxicity that many are suffering from now?

[steady pumice]

theres ways you can avoid being killed by your own specie, dont trust anyone

its a survival game

[blazing thicket]

It's not about trust. It's about finding and killing. For example, we were just in safe place chilling, and someone just came and started to attack.

[winter void]

well at some point i would like to see something about active cannibals. Not just the spasm more like a smell to know would prevent hanging with em.

[steady pumice]

you can hear somethign coming no?

[winter void]

normal situation id say 😄

[steady pumice]

yeah thats more acceptable ig

but exposing names , ehhh

[blazing thicket]

No, it was hiding place. But I attacked it as well after, but not lucky.

[winter void]

ye exposeing names aint that nice tho.

[blazing thicket]

Sounds good, yeah.

[winter void]

not my idea thats being talked about since a loooong time 😄

[north quiver]

there are some other ways to help prevent (not fully prevent) cannibalism on species that aren’t supposed to kill each other just because they can

for teno and other herbis in general, adding a lot more migration zone choices to choose from would be a great start

[winter void]

ye but then we get to herbies not roaming the map as they want i guess :/

[blazing thicket]

This is unlikely to help. People just realize that they can kill, and they grow their dinos just for that purpose. They are looking for and attacking you.

[north quiver]

they’ll roam if the zone changes still. just give more some options so cannies can’t camp the only zone available for that species on the server

[blazing thicket]

I can't understand this: if you want to kill, why are you use herbi, lol?

[north quiver]

that’ll always be a problem unless you play on a rule server

[blazing thicket]

You can unleash your latent cruelty and be a predator, kill others and at least get food from it. This will not disrupt the gameplay. People have an urgent need to be annoying, that's why.

[north quiver]

because people play the strongest thing they can to kill

back when carno was stupidly op against most herbs and basically anything small enough to be knocked over or stunned, people typically only played that because it could kill good, and it could kill fast

the best thing to fight a teno with is another teno

[blazing thicket]

this is still not a reason to attack for fun or without any warning. If you want pvp, suggest it. But these people are just trying to assert themselves like, "look, I attacked my own and killed them, I'm cool".

Especially while they're smoll or chilling. So cool, ye.

Worth it.

[north quiver]

people attack for fun because there’s nothing else to do. eldering and mutations aren’t in yet, so it’s either nest or kill. most players that have played a while choose killing over nesting lol

they typically find it fun to make people angry by deleting their progress (I’m very much guilty of this. it brings me joy)

[blazing thicket]

I think it was the same dude that other teno killed yesterday the same fields btw. Cause he was aggressive without any reason, and they just gave him what he wanted, lol.

[blazing thicket]

I will never be able to understand it, it does not bring me joy. I'd rather be bored or find another server than harm other people for my own pleasure.

How can it even be a pleasure? Sounds crazy, lmao.

[north quiver]

some people just built different in the head tbh

[blazing thicket]

Yes, and I would characterize it in an unethical way. But it's on their conscience.

[proud coral]

Combat is, for the vast majority, the only real engaging thing to do right now sadly Though there are definitely some individuals who do it purely for making the other player upset, nothing more.

And I am saying that because I've seen it be openly admitted before

Like not the thrill of the hunt
Not to use cool attacks
SPECIFICALLY to upset someone else

That is concerning to me lmao

[north quiver]

(me)

[proud coral]

[full torrent]

I think Dibbls sparring is a really good step in the right direction for stuff that can be done to just fiddle around outside of trying to kill each other, but we still need more objectives.

[barren zephyr]

@still latch i was thinking this yesterday: Like, a specific mating call or something. When that happens you should be able to sniff to pin point where it comes from with like a heart symbol

@silver kelp also thats a nice suggestionnnn, I really think it should be like the pouncing omni thing doe

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr being afk is not a good mechanic

[barren zephyr]

?...
It's less than a minute, it aint being afk

[lapis swallow]

and territories for buffs dont feel like something that is really healthy, considering you move around all the time

[lapis swallow]

I still dont like it, why should I sit around to keep up another resource when we already have stamina

[barren zephyr]

Idk, immersion?? Just think it's an interesting idea

[barren zephyr]

well, what about carnivores?

[lapis swallow]

carnivores follow these migration zones

also, setting up a territory at hotspots would SP or EP would be pretty busted

I mean, territories kinda form themselves naturally anyways

if a carnivore pack is strong enough, it just claims that area

[dapper prawn]

: )

[barren zephyr]

and people won't approach that area then
and then they might starve out if they don't figure out how to do that properly

plus it is expensive to form and keep a territory. keeping just 3 times, which is pretty small, already takes up a lot of your hunger... imagine MAINTANING that

[lapis swallow]

its literally in the game

strong pack of carnis take over the area, other carnis need to leave or else they risk getting mauled

its a natural flow

raptors take a area of a dilo pack, suddenly a few ceras show up and now they are the temporary kings of the area

its smooth and feels good, you dont need a system to do that

you dont need a system for something that comes naturally in animal survival games

[dapper prawn]

I think its a good idea, and maybe when gen 1s come out, then that could work for them

[barren zephyr]

just feel like it would be a good way to make bigger predators avoid eachother a bit more

if a cera estabilishes a territory near a carno, they will have to take matters into their own hands to put eachother at bay as to not get your territory stolen... which will in fact, make them distance themselves from eachother: kinda like what animals like those do irl

[dapper prawn]

not necisarrily needed atm

[rough scroll]

@barren zephyr I think the idea of sleep is not good idea for a game with so many mechanics and rushes like The Isle.
However, I would find it interesting to have a territory system that would provide buffs, whether they are simple like those in the diet, but limited to only the apexes of the game such as rex, giga, deino, spino, acro, among others... (and even for some herbs territorialists like trike, theri, and camara.)

[lapis swallow]

but why is it needed? carnivores should be encouraged to compete with eachother.

[barren zephyr]

mhm, thats what im suggesting!
things like a tenonto stay more clearly as prey

[barren zephyr]

...yeah, and they are competing, but just avoiding direct conflict like they normally would

what, you think a trex and a giganotosaurus would fight irl? hell nah! (thats if they lived at the same time period and location)

[dapper prawn]

Plus Teno's are Nomadic

[rough scroll]

That's the point, wax and flesh are not big predators

[barren zephyr]

assuming there would be 2 apexes in one place, they would try their best to intimidate eachother as a way to compete

[lapis swallow]

This is a game and PvP is the most fun thing in the isle. they will 100% fight eachother or atleast one of them will try to chase away the other

[barren zephyr]

yeah LOL

[neat drum]

the best devs ever. the "fix" queue and are worse tha was

[lapis swallow]

if I am a rex and I see a giga, imma try to fight it

[barren zephyr]

chase away aka intimidation

[dapper prawn]

you are dead

[barren zephyr]

ur dead honey

[lapis swallow]

why should I be

[barren zephyr]

frfr

[dapper prawn]

giga is too strategic

[lapis swallow]

what?

[dapper prawn]

bleed is also the most deadly thing ingame

one of i should say

[barren zephyr]

@lapis swallow and because you see
you as a trex could win with a giga if it came into your territory trying to get your food/prey

[lapis swallow]

rex is kinda the apex made to brawl. so seeking brawls with other apexes that are not made to brawl rex (like giga)

[lapis swallow]

so matchups are determined by who is in the territory? yeah, no

[dapper prawn]

yea but like the giga could stomp if its skilled enough

[barren zephyr]

its a good way to balance out the game tbh
i think it does great in prior extinction, but i think it can be discussed wether it would fit this game doe, yall got a point

[lapis swallow]

figure this, what if the rex player is also skilled

[dapper prawn]

i think territorys are a cool idea but not fighting buffs

[dapper prawn]

50/50 chance

if you play giga right its OP

[barren zephyr]

ye idkkk, the debuffs for territorial animals in another ones territory is just stamina
for the ones in it increases stamina and a bit of bite i think, id have to check the game to be 100% swure

[lapis swallow]

legacy balance doesnt matter

[dapper prawn]

sure it does!

[lapis swallow]

how?

its a whole different game

we dont have ambush, a different weight system, different bleed, different movement

[barren zephyr]

some of the wellbeing stuff in the game, i personalyl like it

sociality is also a thing in that game btw
but i think it would be too like Bob

[lapis swallow]

look how different stego is compared to legacy

or pachy

[dapper prawn]

well it just makes sense, a giga is way bigger than a T-rex, usually weight contradicts wether a dino will win the fight unless there are multiple

[lapis swallow]

rex is heavier than giga

[barren zephyr]

there's no page for it but there is the menu thankfully, it informs u on what it is

[dapper prawn]

no its not

you can look it up if you want

[lapis swallow]

should I get studies on rexes weight?

[dapper prawn]

if you want to but im just saying that a giga is slightly heavier than a rex

the largest T rex found weighed slightly less than an average Giga

[lapis swallow]

this is a new article on rexes weighting citing multiple studies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-47011-0

[dapper prawn]

it says it weighs 10 tons, gigas wigh 4 tons

14 tons

[lapis swallow]

where did you find that?

[dapper prawn]

Introduction

[lapis swallow]

I want sources

[dapper prawn]

"in the late Maastrichtian of western North America3,7. Growing to 12 m long and ~ 10 tons in weight8, T. rex was the largest terrestrial predator of its time."

[lapis swallow]

because I am pretty sure giga is longer, but rex is heavie than gigas

I want sourves for the weight of giga

[dapper prawn]

alr one sec

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giganotosaurus

"Giganotosaurus was one of the largest known terrestrial carnivores, but the exact size has been hard to determine due to the incompleteness of the remains found so far. Estimates for the most complete specimen range from a length of 12 to 13 m (39 to 43 ft), a skull 1.53 to 1.80 m (5.0 to 5.9 ft) in length, and a weight of 4.2 to 13.8 t (4.6 to 15.2 short tons). The dentary bone that belonged to a supposedly larger individual has been used to extrapolate a length of 13.2 m (43 ft). Some researchers have found the animal to be larger than Tyrannosaurus."

[lapis swallow]

even your source states that giga was lighter lmao

[dapper prawn]

no-?

[lapis swallow]

n 2021, the paleontologist Matías Reolid and colleagues compiled various mass estimates of theropods (including Giganotosaurus) to calculate the average, but did not include Therrien and Henderson's 2007 estimates of Carnotaurus and Giganotosaurus, considering them outliers. This resulted in a body mass range for Giganotosaurus between 5.5 and 8.5 t (6.1 and 9.4 short tons), with an average of 6.75 t (7.44 short tons). They also applied the skull length and body length ratio proposed by Therrien and Henderson and reconstructed various digital 3D models of theropods to measure body mass distribution and volume, resulting in the mass of a 13 m (43 ft) long Giganotosaurus up to 7.2 t (7.9 short tons). These researchers found the estimates consistent with the values proposed by previous studies.[28] In 2022, Juan I. Canale and colleagues described the large carcharodontosaurid Meraxes, which has the most completely known Carcharodontosaurine skull, with an estimated length of 1.27 m (4.2 ft). Extrapolating from that skull, they estimated the skull of Giganotosaurus to have been 1.634 m (5.36 ft) long, making it one of the largest known theropod skulls.[29] Henderson suggested in 2023 that there was a close relation between the dimensions of the pelvic area and body size in theropods, allowing size estimates for incomplete specimens. Based on this idea, he found Giganotosaurus to have been 12.5 m (41 ft) long, identical to the estimate proposed in the 1995 description.[30] In 2023, researcher Dan Folkes used volumetric analysis, which tends to produce closer estimates with body mass on complete specimens than allometric scaling based on bone isolated bone dimensions, to estimate the Giganotosaurus holotype specimen was roughly 8.8 t (9.7 short tons).[31]

[winter void]

raptors everywhere pretty much always 😄
til it dies and joins whatever got it... leading to a never ending giga deathmatch at a spawn location .. give us random spawns .. with the chance to spawn together as a group .. 😄

[dapper prawn]

where does it say that "The Giganotasaurus was lighter than the T-Rex"

[lapis swallow]

10,4 tons is more than 9.7 tons???

[dapper prawn]

where does it say that though lmao

[lapis swallow]

the last sentence

rexes current estimate is 10.4 tons

[dapper prawn]

thats the specimans weight that Dan folkes found

[lapis swallow]

there are some talks about giga specimen being bigger, but that hasnt been proofen

[dapper prawn]

in 2023

"Dan Folkes used volumetric analysis, which tends to produce closer estimates with body mass on complete specimens than allometric scaling based on bone isolated bone dimensions, to estimate the Giganotosaurus holotype specimen was roughly 8.8 t (9.7 short tons).[31]"

[lapis swallow]

there is another article about gigas and rexes size

https://www.thecodontia.com/blog/the-largest-theropod-dinosaur-known-to-science

giga could surpass rex, but we dont know. the biggest specimen we KNOW of ties with rex

its not bigger, maybe big individuals are the same weight

but rex is still suited better for combat

against other theropods

[dapper prawn]

interesting

so i suppose we could say that Giga is a varient of the trex

[lapis swallow]

WHAT? no, they are fundementally different

[split estuary]

Anyone knows how long Fluid Deficient Debuff works?...

[dapper prawn]

nononon i mean like

nvm lol

i think the giga would win in a fight tho

well...

[winter void]

isnt the rex 8.8 tons ?

[dapper prawn]

whoever gets the first bite wins

[winter void]

or around 8ish tons ?

[dapper prawn]

yea thats the average

the average weight of a rex is 13.8 metric Tons

Giga i mean

[dark nymph]

i mean comparing the 2 side by side girth wise should already indicate that trex was the heavier morph

[dapper prawn]

yea but like its scientifically proven that the giga was heavier than an average trox

[dark nymph]

like this

[dapper prawn]

trex

[winter void]

well i dont think we got plenty of both found on earth to say ledigt on average but as far as i known gig was a bit bigger at least in size

[dapper prawn]

yea

but just because im stubborn like that, im betting on giga

[winter void]

but after all its all just calculation 😄

[dapper prawn]

Giganotosaurus: Heavier, with a weight range of 8,400 to 17,600 pounds.
T-Rex: Slightly lighter, weighing between 11,000 and 15,000 pounds.

[winter void]

those two would not even fight each other since it would not be worth the effort but lookin at this i would say Rex is better on average and giga on max potential but who knows after all 😄

[dapper prawn]

true, true, idk i think they both got a good chance tho

i think whoever bites first would win tbh

realistically

[split estuary]

Ekhm...

[winter void]

would be really situational ye.
with the style of rex being a prehistoric pitbull first bite to never let go is the way it goes. dont know much about giga hunting strat tho so im quiet on that 😄

[barren zephyr]

@lunar star i think it kinda matches the game
the isle is supposed to be a horror survival game, so ig it does make sense that the day is as short

[tight iron]

day's not short tho

the cycle is 16 hours day 8 hours night

[lunar star]

have you tried a Deino,? the watter is unplayable as soon as it starts getting drak until its midday

all you can see is your eyes the screen is pitch black,, forces us to sit for around 14 hours a cycle.

[barren zephyr]

yes i have, that happens
but ig its what the game is going for

[lunar star]

if you play a land based characher you can run around at night,

you can still play, Deino every single one of us jsut go idle. Just give us some NV in the water at night so we can atleast still swim around.

[lunar star]

have you tried deino after their last big patch, NV we from playable to unplayable,

[barren zephyr]

yes
i also play beipi who has bad nightvision at water at night

[lunar star]

But you can play on land we are restricted to water basically.

[vivid hollow]

@drowsy trellis a good place to find turtles and crabs is next to the east migration. If u go to there the ocean starts facing more south then north, and go to the right, on the beach over there where u can run to an island. If u run to the island and come back they will spawn in!!

[lunar star]

Nighttime with NV on looking at the river bed. all you can see is the eyes and Im sitting in some grass, so theres things to see around me.

[vivid hollow]

@sterile flume if u hold down alt while u look around it won’t move ur Dino :p

[sterile flume]

ok thanks.

[distant magnet]

The new mechanic where you drop bodys when you get hit is really hurting Dienos ability to successfully lunge and bring a body into the water. Literally their main attack.

[lunar star]

Wait you found someone to lunge at?

[distant magnet]

Yeah? Always.

[lunar star]

I have seen one person that didnt come near the water, and one other than one shot me as a 7% baby,

[distant magnet]

Weird, I just fought a gang of pachys but couldnt succssfully bring any into the water because of the new drop mechanic.

North lake is usually crawling. That's where I hang.

[drowsy trellis]

Sweet thanks

[barren zephyr]

this PISSES ME OFF
i used the unstuck command, and yall wanna guess what it did? tip: didnt take me out of here! just put me a bit up. CMON.

water is so close, and i cant even like sit to get my stam back to try to escape again

[barren zephyr]

and i mean like literally, it just immediately slid me back down

[distant magnet]

It doesnt even work at all for most people

[lunar star]

I did my last life in N Lake and saw one steggo, that nearly was the end of me haha

[distant magnet]

Guess it's server dependant.

[lunar star]

yeah Im on AU East and its rather quiet,

Would be good if migration zones were shown to all somehow so we knew where the population o nthe server was.

[distant magnet]

I can always smell which way the migration is?

[mild valve]

#general-feedback message @digital sun just making sure, are you aware that if you gain altitude at a super gentle angle rather than a steap angle you use far less stamina, like fly across the whole map levels of less stamina if your flying with a 1-degree upwards tilt.

[spice lark]

SILENCE: The new mechanic where you drop bodys when you get hit is really hurting Dienos ability to successfully lunge and bring a body into the water. Literally their main attack.<<<<<<< Please so much of this.... please upvote this people

Not just for deinos... a fresh spawned troodon shouldnt be able to prevent you from eating

[barren zephyr]

@little shoal wow! congrats! 'w'
incredibly well put out!!!!

[valid flame]

Are any other servers experiencing issues with the current population count and/or the que function not working?
Sitting in a que of 30 only to disconnect when I become 1st and be told to join the que

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message stam decay looks fine to me but regen time is horrendous

^^ excepting troodon, that thing has no stamina

i just believe that removing thresholds and decreasing the regen time a bit would be perfect

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message wat

[normal finch]

What the hell happened in the recent updates? We finally had a working que system and what seemed like minimal fatal errors and now I am getting fatal errors left and right, all the while being in a 20 person que just to be kicked out at the end 😂

[winter void]

welcome to Fixed gameplay xD

[vital laurel]

@rotund lake the copies are just very advanced DoT

[dapper prawn]

yeah i agree

[stable jolt]

Just lost my dilo because my ping spiked to 400s right before a carno ran into me....

[stable jolt]

same

[muted python]

same...😫

[serene quest]

Im hoping itll all be right when dibble comes out

[icy lion]

Oh great, the bot's acting up again...

[hidden mist]

#general-feedback message tbh they can just add another message (that we already have for stamina/food/etc) over the heartbeat diagram in the TAB-menu, which you could see if hover your cursor over it, and this message could say the color of that diagram. Heart was removed for a reason (meta-gaming), and I wouldn’t want its comeback for a survival-based game (btw devs, it seems, hinted that “Heart” may be optional for unofficials)

[formal kayak]

What’s the bot doing now..?

I see…
Not doing its job..

[lapis swallow]

sorry

[hidden mist]

I mean he doesn’t get paid so..

[formal kayak]

The bot can put that in the complaints bin

[lapis swallow]

there is no complaints bin

[formal kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/andersomviolao-gif-12381443319241980618

[hidden mist]

I will contact the trade union

[formal kayak]

No it’s right there
^^

[lapis swallow]

that is a shredder

[formal kayak]

Nooo.
Thats the complaints bin

Only works for bots, ofc

[lapis swallow]

I see, thats how much valued the bots opinion is

[formal kayak]

[lapis swallow]

do they have something like that for people that like spiro than gateway more aswell?

[rare glade]

So have they fixed the issues with the game yet?

Or is it still a Haven for Cannibals and Trolls

[formal kayak]

Wouldn’t know

[radiant nest]

depends heavily on the server

[rare glade]

Fkn sad

Are the AI spawning?

[radiant nest]

kinda, mostly at west access and hotspots

[rare glade]

Cause last I tried playing I starved to death

[hidden mist]

https://tenor.com/view/200000-units-are-ready-million-more-well-on-the-way-gif-15836182220374518965

[rare glade]

Fkn DUMB

If they are gonna make it so that the AI are only in some places they need to make ppl spawn with a full stomach., not an empty one

[lapis swallow]

how are they gonna get diets then?

just spawn at spots where corpses tend to be and get your diets there

food is not a concern, diets is

[rare glade]

By finding the AI and waiting till they got room. Cause right now you spawn in and have no food but the AI are all the way across the map. SO you STARVE on the way there.

[lapis swallow]

I have never starved, ever

not now, not in past patches

[rare glade]

That is all I have been doing. That or being instantly killed by my own species so they can eat me

[tight iron]

spawn as a stego in X place, find a rock, jump off, spawn as your desired carnivore and get the diets from that

[winter void]

ngl did that a lot a few month ago as i didnt know much about the game 😄
good ol cliff steak XD
another reason to get spawn penalty again 😄

[tight iron]

that would only help hotspots tho

spawn penalty is a horrible thing to add

pachies would be spawn camping everyone just to make sure they can't play the game

btw i actually tried to grow a cera and went to south plains in megalodon, i remembered what you said, took me only 13 tries to actually get my diet and leave

[winter void]

good point tho. but spawn penalty would prevent the respawn raptor thing :/

at least to a bit

[winter void]

XDD

[tight iron]

thing is

[winter void]

said its not that ez n fun 😄

[tight iron]

spawning a stego n eating it or raptor spamming are not such a massive issue to require a spawn penalty

a spawn penalty is the most extreme thing you can do

restricting you from playing the game

and the fact that most people already kill all juvies they see, so imagine with a spawn penalty

that thing would be hell on earth, nobody would be able to play

but at the same time, everyone would starve if they didn't spawn in south plains

only certain people would easily get a perfect diet in a few minutes

[winter void]

also true. admit its not that worse as most peeps complain but to some dinos with bad bleed resist it is a bit of an issue .. give raptors less bleed against targets like 3x its weight would also help and keep the spawn

[tight iron]

juvie raptors shouldnt be able to bleed stuff that's big

pretty much it

[winter void]

ye experienced that right now on no ai 😄

[tight iron]

yea

hotspots would just go crazy

[winter void]

ye would be a simple solution to that tho

[tight iron]

everything would be filled with bodies and there would be no subs, only adults

[winter void]

which is the case sometimes already

[tight iron]

now imagine with spawn penalty

i would literally eat the spawn penalty instead of spawning in a hotspot

[winter void]

ye true tho

[spice lark]

@versed stream Mixpacking is allowed. They have added the megapack symbol which helps alert people to potential mixpacks, but I doubt theyll do much more to discourage it. Hackers are something they want to stop. Mixpacking isnt encouraged, but its also not in any way discouraged. Thats what community servers with rules and mods are for. Mixpacking, while detestable, >>especially if your min-max pvp KOSing<<, is allowed

[versed stream]

fair enough just doesnt seem fair tho tbh mix packers

[spice lark]

its not fair, but it is allowed. Nobody likes them. People who try to break the games intended function to troll others are lame af in pretty much anybody who matters opinion

but yeh. I agree with your feelings.... Dont think there is a good way to outlaw it tho(besides direct moderation)

[icy lion]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/376210/view/4212631128509573752

[spice lark]

Devs dont agree on everything

and there are some that are atleast fine with if not support it

from my understanding

theres a variety of issues they dont all see eye to eye on

[versed stream]

yeah like i get they cant stop it completely but surely something can be implemented to reduce it as well as discourage it it will be the only thing that ruins the game really apart from that the game is hectic i love it

[versed stream]

yeah thats fair

[spice lark]

part of the problem is some cooperation between species in situations is actual real in nature

some "mixpacking" is real irl

[versed stream]

yeah i would expect that to them not agreeing on everything

[versed stream]

ah fair

[spice lark]

but 7 things that hate each other irl being in discord together and eating food from their alts isnt

[versed stream]

guess we just have to get use to it and put up with it i guess

[spice lark]

I think so.... and I think it is right to have some very limited mix-species cooperation... the thing that makes it exceptionally hard to keep from being able to be abused

for the most part though, if your alert, careful, and aware they exist, you can cope with and avoid them

But they suck, FS

Getting called out by PT or trood, and then having a swarm of pachys carnos and stegos roll up on you is pretty broken and sucks :I

[versed stream]

yeah it definitely sucks aye

[spice lark]

Id welcome any good ideas to counter the mega-packs :-p .... all the devs are onboard with F hackers I think XD

but it is hard to fix because some of it is a little normal... and its hard to find where that line would be even, let alone what to do about it

@unreal ridge "Rex-solos: bring back cerato's old charge bite, the little lunge it did and the damage was crucial to the powerful feeling of it. Now its worthless"

It might be undertuned rn(I dont play cera much) but its definitely not useless.... puking sucks. Makes me pick my fights and hunts differently shrug

[unreal ridge]

as someone who does play cerato a lot I can assure you It undermines the playstyle of the creature a lot, theres no more intimidation behind the charge bite without the threat of huge damage. Sure the puke is nasty but it doesn't stop carno or deterr deinosuchus at all

[spice lark]

Undermines is different from useless :-p