general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

it's not dibble that's the problem, it's the sparring system

because the sparring system is more universal amongst several animals

dibble, rex and trike all rely on the sparring system being done

finish the sparring system, and all three of those come out way faster

[barren zephyr]

Still shouldn’t take no 4 months lol

How much longer it gonna take after the parting system another 3-6 months lol

The dev team just isn’t to great

[limber hull]

they literally added 6 dinosaurs, a new map, migrations, weather, a new NV system, prototype guns for humans, new AI creatures, a new AI spawning system, a new stamina system, sanctuaries, and more all last year but sure man

[barren zephyr]

Last year?? Bro they worked on it for 3 or 4 yrs b4 we got it

[limber hull]

damn that's almost like how development works???

bro thats wild

[barren zephyr]

Dude Fortnite for example have done more in 3 yrs than the isle will do in a life time it’s not called that’s how it works it’s called they are not good and the game deserves better devs

[limber hull]

Fortnite is a AAA game worth millions if not billions with how much money people pour into that game, alongside its insanely successful partnerships and backing from the biggest game development engine in the entire world but I guess if we wanna compare chihauhaus and great danes in wrestling matches, sure

the isle is indie, it can't afford a colossal studio like Fortnite's

you literally compared the world's current most successful video game to The Isle and said "see? the isle isn't good enough"

[barren zephyr]

Ok day of dragons

Has done a lot more than this game as well

[limber hull]

lmao no???

[barren zephyr]

So has path of titans

[limber hull]

i've seen what DoD has done, that is not more.

The Isle beats it by a country mile

[barren zephyr]

Path of titans beats this game by a mile tho

[limber hull]

They literally cut their 1.0 update into three parts because it was too big and delayed much of its content supposed to be out with 1.0

it really doesn't. PoT doesn't put in the same level of work into their playables at all

[barren zephyr]

But their game has gotten alot faster updates and alot bigger roster than this one

[limber hull]

faster updates and bigger roster, sure. But the work is lesser and the content more shallow for it

[barren zephyr]

Ehhh not rlly

[limber hull]

Yes really

PoT's designs for animals is very samesy

They operate off stat differences primarily

You won't find unique niches like The Isle does there

[barren zephyr]

Ehhhh idk ab all that

[limber hull]

Compare The Isle beipi and herrera to ANY of PoT's playables, and the level of depth, flexibility, unique mechanics, animations, design and so on is insanely night and day

PoT creates pawns for you to engage with the world and do quests. The Isle creates animals with the purpose of actually fulfilling an ecological niche

This comes from a difference in design philosophies, The Isle being survival-focused, whereas PoT is MMO focused

[tacit solar]

hear me out. there should be a way to get a hold of admin if you get stuck in a spot with no way of getting out of. im stuck between rocks as a teno and its gonna take at least 30 min for me to starve.

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slap-eyeliner-gif-12924782275824041620

[idle briar]

https://tenor.com/view/hitting-someone-with-a-bat-hitting-a-guy-into-a-screen-hitting-and-breaking-the-screen-gif-24414471

[ebon elbow]

@thin totem the Dilo venom mechanic is the single dumbest thing I’ve seen in this game. Whoever thought that up should get fired. It makes zero sense from a biological evolutionary standpoint. And that’s not even addressing it’s overpowered nature. Someone in the dev team has a crush on that dinosaur.

[thin totem]

I don't really have a problem with them having hallucinations or venom. Yeah it's not realistic but troodon didn't exist, and the hypers push this game more into science fiction anyway. My problem is more that I don't know why something that doesn't exist does so much damage to you.

But yeah, dilos are just awful to fight against and (as someone who has played them) feel way too strong for the tier that they're supposed to occupy. Definitely needs a little tweaking I feel.

[ebon elbow]

Agree. They should have just had the venom reduce your stam or simply act like a damage over time instead of the Hogwarts conjuration mirror image spell

[urban flax]

Dilo's venom IS a damage over time
But a damage over time that you can mitigate by attacking the hallucinations

[ebon elbow]

hallucinations yea that’s dumb.

[urban flax]

What's so dumb about it ?

It's hallucinogenic venom
That also kills you slowly

[tight iron]

well... it is dondi

i cant explain it any better

[tight iron]

bro that is the funniest thing ive heard in ages 😭

the hogwarts conjuration mirror image spell

you aint wrong tho

[midnight heath]

I could absolutely see it, mega will be a really neat addition to the rooster. I know it shows it going into burrows in concept but its a bit too chunky for that. Maybe young ones can early on? Without diets varying with your growth I can't see putting dryo or taco on it's diet though.

[full pewter]

I can see it staying in burrows or just digging them out, either way, would be nice if ava wasn’t the only one who could secondarily occupy burrows though

[daring wraith]

Another day of me demanding to make Allo a playable like yesterday.

If my demands aint met soon I will start a riot!

[midnight heath]

God that is really weird for me to think ava would be in burrows, I have no idea why that seems so outlandish because it's not.

I think allo could 100% be added once a good few more herbi mids are added.

But right now we have so many more carnivores compared to finished herbis

[daring wraith]

I mean the wanna add Dibble and Maya.. Allo fits perfect then.

[full pewter]

New question for yall, how could Bary handle itself against Deinos?

[midnight heath]

Bary I think will be hunted by deinos, I'm not sure if we've heard anything about how it swims yeah?

Because I know in the past bary was fast and agile but also pretty tiny

mid-tier tiny that is

[daring wraith]

Bary could hunt Baby Deinos.

But else.. its food for them.

[midnight heath]

Also it or at least this) has lips and that brings me joy

I could see it eating baby deinos

[daring wraith]

Lips are for kissing.

It will give them all the smooches.

[urban flax]

A theropod with lips will have sharper teeth than a lipless one

[daring wraith]

And give better smooooches.

[urban flax]

sharper smooches

[daring wraith]

Hottt.

[full pewter]

Barys absolutely will be eating younger Deinos, bigger ones will probably force them out of any water body tho

[daring wraith]

You know what else is hot?
Allo. It looks so smooth in the Isle.

[urban flax]

the smooth lion of the jurassic

[daring wraith]

I wanna bite Dibbles with it.

[midnight heath]

Dibble will demolish allos I can see it

Thing is small but for sure packs a punch or - at least used to.

[full pewter]

I’ve suggested in the past that Barys could possibly slap Deinos in the face/eyes when they’re lunged, kinda like what’s shown with them pulling Omnis of their torsos in the concept

[daring wraith]

Challenge accepted.

[full pewter]

Oooo I highly doubt that, allow are twice their size

[midnight heath]

If timed right I'd be so down for slap cancel

That bleed thought Stello

[full pewter]

Styracos for sure, but not dibbles

[midnight heath]

That tasty, tasty

bleed DMG

And it's turn speed

[daring wraith]

I hope they make the thing in the concept art happen where Allo bites flesh out of living things to eat.

No need for kills.. just feast and leave.

[midnight heath]

I can't see that happening, didn't dilo have something like that?

[urban flax]

That's not a thing in allo's concept art

[daring wraith]

Oh? Its not? Who was it then?

[midnight heath]

Dilo ?

[urban flax]

giga and herra

[daring wraith]

Darn. Sadge.

[midnight heath]

Why would giga need that

[urban flax]

No
Dilo is shown eating things alive

[urban flax]

It wouldn't

[midnight heath]

Ah that's what I was mixing up then

And that's what I thought, it's huge it doesn't need to take pieces of things

[urban flax]

imo nothing should have the ability to flesh graze
Especially not big animals

[midnight heath]

I could only see it on things like really small flyers that we'd never get - but more of a vampire like parasitic sort of way.

[daring wraith]

So will Allo just be there to bully Ceratos then? ):

[urban flax]

basically yes

[daring wraith]

Lame.

[urban flax]

Allo seems to be designed into "alberto with a different crest"
While alberto is "allo with a different crest"

They had potential to be made different, but concept art and devs mentions of them makes it look like they're gonna be identical

[midnight heath]

Allo I thought was going to be "jack of all trades" mid tier

completely forgot about alberto

[daring wraith]

Albert sounds like a nerd name tho.

Dislike.

[urban flax]

Says the "different lizard" fan

Or more specifically
"fragile different lizard"

[daring wraith]

Trueee tho. xD

[midnight heath]

Oh but it's so pretty

Some sweet day when you fit, I will have you.

[daring wraith]

such a hottie.

[midnight heath]

Love acro

Mixed feelings about the choke mechanic but we'll see

Not everything can stay a bleeder

[full pewter]

Tbh I’m that that big of a fan of the acro design, but I don’t hate it either, it’s not anky

[midnight heath]

I like how hefty it's newer look is, I used to think he looked a bit too silly but that bulk grew on me. I'd take anky though.

[barren zephyr]

how would yall react if boars were nerfed

[full pewter]

Nah, the anky design is by far the worst design imo, even Magy is better. The rhino look just doesn’t work and ugh, that dent in its back…

Gameplaywise though, at least what its concept shows, it’s dang near perfect

[full pewter]

I think they shouldn’t be chasing so far if anything, and they should stop chasing big Dino’s, but I don’t think they should be nerfed

[sudden haven]

guys hello i just downloaded the game on evrima and when i want to join server it says connecting and doesnt join to the server

can u help

[full pewter]

I also hate getting given away in an ambush because of those dang hogs

[sudden haven]

so?

how do i fix it

[full pewter]

Try going to evrima troubleshooting you might find something there, look at pinned comments

[eternal mirage]

seems like its a bug right now cuz me and my friends have the same problem

[sudden haven]

so tomorrow morning will they fix it

[eternal mirage]

i don't know

[sudden haven]

is it legal to send photo here?

[midnight heath]

I honestly kind of get down with the rhino influence. I'm a little tired of the same turtle esc. look of anky in recreations.

But granted I love tanky looks to things so I'm bias.

[desert arch]

The servers seem to be under maintenance or theres an issue with steam again. Either way only way to fix it is to wait it out.

[midnight heath]

If they don't keep rexes pupils round like from Legacy I'll throw a fit though speaking of design choices

[sudden haven]

can u guys join to servers?

[desert arch]

Most people cant

Some get in, some dont

But the servers would have their scheduled restarts in 5 minutes anyway

[sudden haven]

thank you so much

[desert arch]

Np ^^

[sudden haven]

for ur help

[ebon elbow]

Well why would something like that even evolve and how? Besides the fact that there are no known compounds that have even remotely similar effects (hallucinogenics don’t actually cause you to see apparitions or anything even close), such a venom evolving to affect dinosaurs (not known for frontal cortex prowess) just seems dumb. It’s my opinion though, but again I would wonder if such a venom ever existed, why wouldn’t we see anything even close in extant venoms. (Convergent evolution)

[full pewter]

Maybe id accept the rhino look if it was better executed, but tbh I think normal looking ankylosaurs look rad

[midnight heath]

I think we'll only really know once we see the model unfortunately, I really love when the Isle devs take a leap of creativity to specific dinosaurs but I'm well aware they need to stick to a few things.

[full pewter]

We do have the model

The dent is hard to see but it is there

[full pewter]

And on this I think most of the Dino’s look amazing, even Beipi Magy and Herrera are amazing imo despite differing a lot from the real animals. There’s just those few I’m not too fond of like anky giga acro and maybe even Alberto

Pterosaurs too, they really don’t look good without feathers imo

[midnight heath]

Yeah I don't think I see the dent here. I actually take more issue with how bobble-headish this looks and the tail plating.

I like acros new bulk as I previously mentioned, I haven't seen the "new" giga or alberto if there are some I don't think.

I think pterosaurs look pretty wonky but I'm overall indifferent I think on them, the coloration throws me off the most but I think they're colored that way to see them really since they're tiny.

[full pewter]

The dent is there believe me, you can see it a lil if you zoom in, the angle makes it hard

[midnight heath]

Where is it on the body? That might help me out.

[full pewter]

The coloration does help yea, hope quetz works too

[midnight heath]

God I'm excited for quetz but have no idea how it'll work out

[midnight heath]

I assume it'll take a bit to take off and that is where it'll be vulnerable to predation

[full pewter]

Dent is over the hip

[midnight heath]

100% see it there and it looks very - saddlish to me.

[full pewter]

I’d expect they’ll be decently nimble on the ground but just as weak as many small tiers, glass cannon in a way

[full pewter]

Somewhat yea; if the back was smoothed out I’d be much more forgiving to this design

[midnight heath]

Tanky quetz does sound weird, I never even considered thinking of it as fragile given it's size.

I feel like they didn't want it to arch so much and push again from that turtle look but it does look a little off with how the hip connects to the back, it's just a little harsh.

[limber hull]

are we seriously talking realism while Troodon and Omniraptor exist

Omniraptor of course, being literally JP raptor

Hell I don't even want to get into the EMP-firing, weather modifying psychic spinosaurus that exists in this game canonically

[uncut zephyr]

Don’t forget about the cannibals and machine god or whatever

[limber hull]

yea those too

[leaden sleet]

-lower damage for boar...
getting hit 1 time off fresh spawn and then bleeding out and dying cause youre constantly running from the boar is a bit ridiculous....

-lower pachy headbutt fall time being on the ground for 5 seconds and not being able to defend or anything is dumb. Having my whole screen besides a quarter size hole to see out of...dumb....

-make a rule where people actually have to initiate fights or altercations so you dont just get teamed up on out of no where with no warning...

-give dilo ability to jump...not sure why thats not a thing already...}

-give croc longer time to be out of water

-increase pack size for dilo and croc

[limber hull]

• boar is supposed to have extremely high damage
• what?
• that sounds extremely boring and means we will never have any ambushes ever again
• dilo jumping allows it to bite something, jump on a rock, then spam hallucinations without any consequence
• deino is supposed to be in the water, the reason it doesn't have a long time out of the water is because otherwise we get rex-wannabe land deinos
• dilo and deino both have small pack sizes because they are not even remotely close to pack predators, and neither need large groups to exist

[latent olive]

the second one is in regards to either pachy's ram cooldown after missing, or from being knocked over by said pachy

[limber hull]

thats why im confused lol

[leaden sleet]

a dilo isnt a pack predator? im confused by that.

You know how long a deino can stay out of water IRL? days....they absord so much water in their body allowing them to be out of water or be in need of water in 15 minutes is crazy.

a dilo jumping allows it to bite something? what does that even mean. how isnt there any consequences for just jumping on a rock? Dilos hallucinations dont even work if a piece of a hair follicle on the hitbox is touching a rock cliff or a drop of water. So how is that not logical to be able to allow the dilo to be able to jump maybe not high but a decent bit to be able to get on the rock since his hallucinations wont work?

how is it boring? have you ever watched any videos of old isle fights and see the structure and actual correct style of gameplay and fights that took place..limiting riding on someone and just tail biting them, eliminating in a sense RDM meaning just killing without a sense or hunger.

why wouldnt you still be able to ambush? youd still be able to do it but youll either have to do it more or something but being on the ground without being able to do anything while being defenseless and having an extremely over powered headbutt come from multiple ways to finish you instantly and you cant run away or even attempt to fight or just walk away cause of your leg being fractured by 1 hit is a bit much

a dog will absolutely destroy a boar anyday of the week. Even if they get hit. At least allow us to get wounded but no bleed till multiple hits. Especially being fresh spawn and depending what dino youre playing as cant even out run it or just able to be a foot in front of it and it just runs out your bleed.

[latent olive]

deino isnt alive irl

dilo climbing on something doesnt prevent hallucinations from spawning around the victim

"old isle fights" legacy fights sucked hard, dude, and initiating fights just like, eliminates 60% of the "survival horror"

what kind of boar are you talking about???? a piglet????????? boars would eviscerate a lone dog in seconds lmfao

[limber hull]

"a dog will absolutely destroy a boar anyday of the week"

tell me you have no idea about boars without saying it

are you even AWARE of how absolutely nightmarish it is to try and deal with boars or hogs?

[latent olive]

japanese boars, which evrima is using i believe, in particular are massive

theyre also particularly aggressive

which is funny because nothing eats them in japan, so why theyre aggressive? no idea

[leaden sleet]

do you not realize people literally use dogs to run hogs?

[limber hull]

you can put 3 bullets into a boar and it'll STILL charge you, they are hardy as sin and equally angry

[latent olive]

the dogs arent killing the hogs though

theyre there to distract the animal and keep it from escaping

[limber hull]

unless we're talking about smaller hogs, which isn't applicable to the aggressive behemoths that are EVRIMA's

[leaden sleet]

if it wanted to and had the ability to not stop yes 100% it absolutely would

[latent olive]

but regardless of the boar situation, i think having to initiate fights is bad

[limber hull]

^

i prefer ambushing in my dinosaur game

[latent olive]

legacy fights sucked no matter which side of the coin youre on

[limber hull]

if i HAVE to make myself known, it's not an ambush

[latent olive]

herrerasaurus needs to broadcast 3 times before attacking something from the trees because that is an unfair advantage

[leaden sleet]

dogs run circles around hogs tire them out to where to boar just ends up plopping on its belly letting the dogs rip and tear at its ears and neck...ive watched it and went through it all first hand...its a wild experience...not saying all fights cause yes ambush experience is great...but do something after a kill or group killings or something along those lines

[limber hull]

Deinosuchus needs to come to the surface, 1 call, and THEN attack

[latent olive]

another thing in regards to deinosuchus, letting it stay on land for longer than it can now is horrible

[leaden sleet]

obviously not when it comes to deino...but implement it in some way where they have to attempt contact either friendly or aggressive when it comes to a body after a fight

[latent olive]

yeah no

[limber hull]

absolutely not

[latent olive]

if youre eating a corpse and i want it, im going to thrash you

[leaden sleet]

lol

[limber hull]

all animals have answers to avoid being also wiped off the census

[latent olive]

i dont normally attack people out of nowhere but i will if i need the food

[limber hull]

rules are unnecessary and cause strain on the admins, as well as just being bad for organic gameplay

[latent olive]

indeed, my alt account, indeed, spit your suchus

[limber hull]

i have never been in a body down server and thought "thank God for body down"

[latent olive]

i remember playing the isle years ago as a rex or something, and i was attacking a giga when he killed a psittaco and kept screaming in chat "body down"

[limber hull]

LMAO

[uncut zephyr]

Clearly body down is the best

[limber hull]

body down existed to protect bad rex players, ngl

[uncut zephyr]

Body down is by far the stupidest rule

[latent olive]

the duality of one man

[limber hull]

rex in legacy SUCKED at escaping any fight, due to how its stam and ambush worked, and if it were overwhelmed, it NEEDED everything to stop attacking it, otherwise it literally could not survive. It was HORRIBLE at dealing with groups

Body down deals with rex's greatest flaw, which is 2 of literally anything attacking it

[uncut zephyr]

Terrible at groups but beats literally everything except maybe spino in a 1v1 and that’s only because spino has a load of health

[limber hull]

ya, because rex was the 1v1 king

all it did was 1v1

[uncut zephyr]

So body down was ALWAYS in its favour

[limber hull]

Ya

[uncut zephyr]

But yeah clearly ambush predators aren’t welcome in the isle

It’s unfair because I don’t want to pay attention to my surroundings

[limber hull]

That's kind of the issue when you make every carnivore's speed only specifically fast when they're the one attacking

Nothing can retreat, at all

[uncut zephyr]

I love ambush speed

[limber hull]

So you end up with a bunch of carnivores that HAVE to kill each other because they literally don't got another choice, and if you get jumped by a BUNCH of other dudes, body down is the only thing that can save you

[uncut zephyr]

That and also the fact that legacy stamina for at least a few dinosaurs was horrific

[midnight heath]

I hated rex in legacy and I dearly hope it's not that in Evrima

The fact you broke a bone on anything 70% of the time was awful and I'm at least happy knowing tail-riding is a thing of the past.

[limber hull]

Luckily, chance-based fractures are dead

[midnight heath]

Thank God

I can't go back

[full pewter]

New question for yall, who should be faster? Kentro or Diablo?
I’m thinking Diablo

Kentro still quicker than it looks tho

[limber hull]

id say diablo should be faster

kentro is the one with inbuilt defence

[full pewter]

Already posted but yea, I think Diablo should be the fastest ceratopsian, and I’m even thinking like 43-44mph

[limber hull]

Teno is apparently the fastest quadruped, so I'm doubtful diablo will be that fast

[jovial belfry]

why cant we ffing kill ourselves i get stuck and have to just wait to die?

[full pewter]

I’d honestly be fine if Diablo was a lil faster than teno, teno has more going for it than just speed

[jovial belfry]

dondi needs to get his head out of his ass

[full pewter]

From what I’ve heard it’s to prevent people from abusing it, same for an unstuck button

[limber hull]

I think going to sleep and then deleting your dino is the best option

[jovial belfry]

how can you abuse it ? the worst thing you can do is respawn on a better location

[full pewter]

Agreed

[limber hull]

Make food farms at spawnpoints

[jovial belfry]

and you cant do that now?

have someone kill you and you respawn over and over

[limber hull]

Doesn't mean it should be easier lol

[barren crater]

They should make it so juvis don’t give as much food / diets as their weight suggests.

[full pewter]

People loosing a fight and literally calling it quits by killing themselves? It’s weird enough when people sit down to let you kill them. And an unstuck button is literally a teleport, who knows how that could be abused

[jovial belfry]

i didnt ask for unstuck button i just ask for a suicide option

[full pewter]

Just adding it in cause it’s relevant

[jovial belfry]

now i have to waste time by dieing

[full pewter]

I think Mr rats solution is the better one here

[jovial belfry]

how you delete your dino

[full pewter]

It’s not a thing in game currently, but it should is what he said

[jovial belfry]

how long has this game been in development?

feels like 10 years

[full pewter]

I think the first version came out dec 2016? Idk I’m actually a newer player wasn’t around then

[jovial belfry]

so 8 years and we got this barebones game

[limber hull]

its not the same game made 8 years ago lol. EVRIMA is effectively, by all intents and purposes, a sequel

[jovial belfry]

dondi really needs to stop spending the money and his time on cocaine and hookers

[limber hull]

also random madeup Dondi hate my beloved lol

[jovial belfry]

sorry but there are still no humans and we got this really sad roster of dinos

[limber hull]

well that's wrong because we have playable humans, and I don't see what exactly is wrong with the roster lol

[jovial belfry]

the only thing i think is nice is the animations and the map itself

we have playable humans where?

i cant see them in evrima

[limber hull]

(albeit, humans are in a rudimentary state, but they are playable and they don't explode the game)

plenty of unofficial servers can enable humans. They have basically completed locomotion and melee attacks, as well as WIP gun tests

and a flashlight that works like a flashlight

[jovial belfry]

thats nice but still its been 8 years there is no excuse for that

[full pewter]

I think we outa appreciate the progress the game has made in just the past few years, it’s arguably in the best state it’s ever been rn imo

[jovial belfry]

imagine being 10 when you bought this and you are a effin adult now

and its still nowhere to be done

[limber hull]

compared to 6.5, Gateway launch or dilo/herrera launch, this update is a vast improvement for performance and balance imho

[full pewter]

That’s specific circumstance is impossible but I’m sure ur exaggerating, the game hasn’t been released for a decade this far

[jovial belfry]

thats the thing if it would have been almost done i wouldnt have complained but the fact that its gonna take another 5 years to complete this game is insane

2016

2024-2016 = 8

[full pewter]

Only thing rly rn is occasional frame drops, but I’ll take that over the rubber banding

[jovial belfry]

yeah i have to admit that its indeed running fine the game ... but its barebones ofc its gonna run great

[full pewter]

We also gotta acknowledge that the team working on the isle is very small, it’s not surprising imo why some things take so long

[jovial belfry]

im sorry i seen 1 man idie devs do more work in a few years then this game has progressed over 8 years

even tho its a small team doesnt mean it should take this long

[limber hull]

i very much doubt that lol

[full pewter]

Example? Just curious honestly

[limber hull]

i'd like to actually hear what game has done that

[jovial belfry]

the biggest one is minecraft

[limber hull]

That's... really not comparable though, and Notch very much had a team after a few years

The Isle's level of detail cannot possibly be done by one man, unless they were some kind of software god

Beipi has over 200 unique animations alone

[jovial belfry]

ok fair point

[limber hull]

Minecraft thrives off simplicity, and effectively having "programmer art" everywhere. Not bad, mind you, because it's befitting of the game, but it def makes it easier for a solo dev

[full pewter]

Minecraft is arguably of much lower quality than the isle, at least in its early days

[jovial belfry]

still my point is that after 8 years we should have more then this barebones game..

[full pewter]

Also worth noting how the game couldn’t be progressed further with legacy, they literally had to start over completely

If we wanna talk about evrima alone, which came out in 2020 with some development before, we’re talking about 4-6 years of development I think

And considering its progress I don’t think it’s all that bad, a lot of the focus these past years were establishing core mechanics like nesting, gore, weather, debuffs and such. Now most mechanics are established (with some getting adjustments), and only a few like mutations and elders are left. And as more playables get added the rest should get added faster, like once dibble is done, adding all other ceratopsians should be significantly faster as they’re all mechanically similar

[jovial belfry]

i just wish the isle had some anti cheat because i kinda see cheaters everyday

speed hacks

and that they can find you everywhere

[limber hull]

It does

They recently also introduced bite cooldowns, which destroyed a specific exploit cheaters used to onetap

[jovial belfry]

well the anti cheat is not working i see hacks everyday

it doesnt make sense that troodon is part of deino diet

[sterile shale]

Evrima is really less than 4 years old,

plus I can hardly imagine it's easy to code and animate dinosaurs with such a small team, I applaud their work but speed is a bit of an issue but really what more can you do

[limber hull]

<@&933486433342222376> The russians want to give us free stuff

[limber hull]

@idle briar they will have VC, dinosaurs cannot understand it

They can hear it, they can't understand it

[idle briar]

thats awesome

[hidden mist]

So it will be like a bunch of noise for us, dinosaurs?

[limber hull]

radio static, specifically, but yes

but you can hear it

[cursive wave]

Devs whats ur Opinon?
#general-feedback message

[balmy glen]

Ong

[tight iron]

@worthy mural LOL

this is the isle 😭

[latent olive]

@worthy mural wrong discord dude

[lapis swallow]

@worthy mural best feedback ever

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Oh
Looks like someone has me blocked
I have no idea who they are

[desert arch]

Im blocked too, even though I dont remember ever talking to them

[urban flax]

I wasn't blocked 2 days ago

[tight iron]

it is basically a suggestion about literally wiping all dinos each week

[desert arch]

Me neither, weird ;-;

[midnight heath]

Going through and blocking anything giving a ❌ maybe for fun.

[urban flax]

Maybe they blocked everyone who reacted with a X to their suggestion about removing deino cannibalism

[midnight heath]

That

That can't be the same person, there's no shot

[midnight heath]

[balmy glen]

Fr

[formal kayak]

Imma do it for fun. (Just to get blocked by them)

[magic wharf]

bro they need to fix this game holyy they just add garbage and make it lag theres no reason im getting 20 fps on all low with a 1600-900 res esp on a modern rig this game just dissapoints on every turn

[normal lotus]

What's your specs

[magic wharf]

3060 ti i5 10400f 16gb ram 1tb SSD also whats funny i cant even run the game rn i log in and im getting 2 fps after letting it run for 30 minutes

[normal lotus]

I think your CPU may be your bottleneck.

Otherwise I don't really know what the issue may be

Since I have similar specs yet get around 120 fps

[magic wharf]

it only bottlenecks at resolutions above 1080P

thats so odd me and my friend have the same rig and we cant get above 50 did u do anything to ur game?

[normal lotus]

Then again I also have an AMD Ryzen 8 core processor.

[magic wharf]

that makes sense i was told its a Cpu intensive game so a cpu upgrade might be it but at the same time no ones buying a new cpu to play the isle lmao

[normal lotus]

I mean...I got a new PC to play it

[magic wharf]

yikes

its a good game i dont blame you

devs need to tighten up tho

[normal lotus]

I mean my old PC was in need of an upgrade

[limber hull]

You too?

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message amazing idea ngl

[crystal jungle]

if any admin can get me out of this hole i fell in that be awesome im stuck in a hole on na3 plz help ;-;

[full pewter]

New question for yall. I’m thinking Magy should be heavier than teno (1600kg) but lighter than carno (1800kg), does anyone agree? No need to just curious

[restive lintel]

I think you don't get what I'm trying to say. I already know that deinos can have full diet from other deinos like almost every carno dino. BUT they still making obligate a lot of deinos players to always be only attacking deinos instead other dinos. Don't get me wrong, I'm ok to deinos canni BUT it's not the only dino that deino can eat. By having only one spawn place you dont have much options because (here other deino players correct me if I'm wrong) most of deinos players doesn't spread or move to other parts of the maps. It's like the 70% of players stay between water access and the part of the river across the jungle sector (I guess it is called like that) but the other river parts are always empty or you can see 1 or 2 deinos in the whole place. And here I make a disclaimer: This is just my opinion based on what i've seen in hours of playing as a deino and I'm part of the 30% of players who move all around the map and see where there are more deinos most of time. And again, I'm ok with deino canni but it's not the only diet. Deino can kill other dinos but there is not other dinos in the river cuz they are ALL camping in east plains. IDK this is what I think..

[barren zephyr]

I got blocked too

[normal lotus]

@dry hazel Hello

[boreal vessel]

@dusty stirrup Carnos weigh 1800KG so thatsa why 2 Omnis (900KG) gets carried like a sack of potatos.

[limber hull]

new 4head post dropped
#general-feedback message

[silk tiger]

My friend has been growing his dino for four hours and is stuck on a weird place on the map

Are we able to reach out to an admin?

[latent olive]

@balmy glen bro that isnt the optimisation, thats the huge number of people all crowded around one lake with corpses everywhere lmao

if we got larger server slots it would be even more of an issue

[balmy glen]

If theres nearly 50 species 90% of them wont be played bc there just isnt enough people to play them

[latent olive]

not what im talking about

[balmy glen]

Those screenshots werent on the 120 pop btw that was on a 70. Pop not long ago it can get worse

[latent olive]

thats still a huge number of people

[balmy glen]

Shouldve mentioned but i forgot when you add photos it auto sends

[latent olive]

and a good like, 50% of those 70 players are at east plains

[balmy glen]

70 on a realism serv where people were hella scattered

It was mostly the bodys

Thats what i mean its terrible

[latent olive]

yeah so its the issues of the bodies

[balmy glen]

I refuse to play half the time bc everyone is normally in east plains on like any serv other than that one and like one other server so all the diets there but then my frames are so bad i can barely get to the food

[limber hull]

The issue is all down to player distribution

Have a more spread out playerbase, you'll also have less lag

[balmy glen]

Yea

But people dont care about that tbh they just wanna fight but they have to wait to do it theres nothing really to do in the game

You grow fight and repeat

[balmy glen]

Trust me i wish people left east plains but ofc theres always gotta be a heavy hotspot that stops literally everyone from going to other places its so annoying

[limber hull]

the hotspot is getting nuked soon

[balmy glen]

Its just a cycle over n over, you wanna play the isle okay, choose your dino, be any carni but pt and deino, try spawning anywhere but east plains, theres 0 food and diet but you cant hunt for diet or food yet, die respawn go to east plains grow die repeat its just a cycle

@limber hull #general-feedback message holy rage bait

[limber hull]

its so obvious lol

[balmy glen]

xd

[balmy glen]

Idk why people feel the need to troll on the isle of all games go play roblox or fn ffs

[polar ore]

Preche girl(,or guys)

Preacher**

[wraith gale]

#general-feedback message what

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

[full pewter]

Hot take, I think poisonous magy is a pretty decent idea

[limber hull]

i prefer bad-taste magy, but in the sense that "bite attacks on magy will literally do an inverse cerato bile effect" kind of way

[full pewter]

Yea I did make a post on that literally describes it as such lol, probs should have said distasteful instead of poisonous

#general-feedback message

But yea this could work nicely for Magy. How heavy should it be tho?

[limber hull]

pre sure its like, what, 1350kg?

[full pewter]

Tbh I think it should be heavier, I’m thinking it should be tanky but have low damage output

Not rly carno heavy though

[limber hull]

It'll likely have some form of armour/bleed resist on account of its ostreoderms

[full pewter]

Perhaps, but I think being heavier is better instead of flat damage reduction

1650-1700kg is what I’m thinking

[limber hull]

idk man, it's kinda already set around the 1300 mark tbh

[barren jewel]

@odd shell theres a reason why fighting sports are split between weight classes. It because if you put a 200 pound fighter against a 400 pound fighter, the 200 pound fighter gets crumpled like a dam crouton. Muscle volume doesn't make a big difference

[full pewter]

Exactly where do these weights get confirmed though?

[limber hull]

I have absolutely no idea but the size chart has been spot on for basically every weight before the animal gets released so I'm kinda going off that

[full pewter]

Dilo and Herrera were legacy Dino’s, are their weights the same there too?

[barren jewel]

The weights of the dinosaurs are based off but do not strictly abide by the estimated weight of the real dinosaur.

[full pewter]

Cause if the devs are just giving them the same weights then I wouldn’t be surprised

[limber hull]

it was 175 on the size chart, then when it came out, it was 175

i honestly have no idea if nova is a psychic or has access to info as QA most do not

[limber hull]

None of the weights seem to be the same as legacy

[full pewter]

Sure but weight estimates vary, and many are on the upper end anyway, I do know cerato and Teno for example are pretty oversized

At least when I say, google ceratos weight it usually comes down to 800-1000kg, where in game it’s 1300kg

[full pewter]

I’d definitely need to check that to be sure

[limber hull]

On the size chart, it was 1300, then cerato came out, and it was 1300

Again, IDK what dark magic Nova has access to to conjure this info before it happens

[barren jewel]

The average estimate is between 1 and 2 metric tons if you actually look at multiple sources and not the first thing Google says lol

[limber hull]

The weights are neither accurate to legacy nor accurate to real life, they are basically spot on the actual weights of the EVRIMA version before it comes out

I have absolutely zero idea how he knows this

[full pewter]

Sure, back to Magy tho I do still think it’s better for it to be heavier

[barren jewel]

Again they are based off do not strictly abide by the estimations. Its not going to be accurate because the estimations aren't accurate either

[limber hull]

it seems you do not understand what i am talking about

i am not talking about realism

i am talking about the weights of the animals in EVRIMA

in specific relation to magy

i am more than aware this game has no realistic weighting system

[barren jewel]

I don't know what magy is but the weight system in this game is pretty realistic considering noone know how much the dinosaurs actually weight, only estimations

[full pewter]

Magy is also oversized from the look of it, most size estimates I see don’t even place it over 1 ton

But tbh I think it makes enough sense since in game Magy is also not anatomically accurate

At least not a lot

[odd shell]

the crocodiles weight is a made up number, visibly my carno was the same size if not larger, theres no way he should be able to scoop me up like a baby

when the dude bit me it did hardly any damage and I'm really angy that i drowned

[barren jewel]

Its not a made up number. Giraffes are clearly larger than hippos, but do you seriously think a hippo couldn't overpower a giraffe?

[odd shell]

how is it not a made up number

[barren jewel]

Do you think a bear would have trouble fighting a moose? Its not a made up number because like I was telling these guys, the weights are based off but do not strictly abide by the estimated weights of the real dinosaurs. The are adjusted to make it balanced in game.

[barren jewel]

The real question is what makes you think they are made up?

[odd shell]

[limber hull]

a bear does have trouble fighting a moose. A moose is designed to give it trouble. Weird comparison

[barren jewel]

A black bear maybe. A full grown grizzly can snap a mooses spine with 1 swipe.

[odd shell]

i don't know why i got 5 disagrees, if instead of scooping me up if there was a power struggle i could have prevented my drowning

also i don't think you know how big a moose is

my point is that i didnt perseve the gator as a threat because it didn't look that big and it still carried me away with ease

[limber hull]

a moose is quite literaly built for the explicit purpose of coexisting with and fighting off grizzly bears. IDK why we're acting like a moose is a meek and frail herbivore, when they can be more dangerous to encounter in the wild than a bear itself

[barren jewel]

I know how big moose are. Yes bears are smaller but they are also stronger and more resilient. Moose are power houses for sure, but a full grown grizzly is 9/10 times taking that W

You should research the history of California. There was once a time where we didn't have guns powerful enough for grizzly bears

[odd shell]

resilient id agree but stronger they're probably the same if not moose stronger

the moose looses because its not flexible and bears are professional wrestlers

[limber hull]

Moose loose

[odd shell]

this is unrelated to crocodile vs same size dino

even though the croc is heavier that doesn't entirely translate into strength, when he bites a dino the same size as him its unrealistic to carry them away immediately, there should be a struggle

[limber hull]

It's how the game system works so that's how it works

It's much easier to calculate raw weight numbers than model proportions

So that is how it's done

Especially in a game where model proportions consistently change

On the bright side, they're making juvi deino smaller and lighter on spawn, but that's about it

[odd shell]

i don't think something being hard to do is a reason not to do it, specifically in a game that prides itself on immersion and realism

[solid belfry]

agree with dragging instead of grabbing large creatures

[limber hull]

I think if it's more work for no good reason, and is clunky and poorly conveyed, it should not be done

[odd shell]

right like even dragging would be better and it's already in the game

[limber hull]

Tug-of-wars are ridiculously difficult to do. That's why diablo is taking so long, because it has a similar system and it's a nightmare to make

[midnight heath]

While I do think something should be changed about deinos gameplay, depending on how a struggle mechanic is introduced - paired with how situational deino's hunting already is it could make deino actually killing anything quite hard.

[odd shell]

IF THE OTHER DINO IS WITHIN 1000LBS DRAG INSTEAD OF GRAB ez

[solid belfry]

shouldn't be too hard to make if it's being done with diablo

[limber hull]

pounds 👎

game uses KILOGRAMS

[odd shell]

[limber hull]

God's chosen measurement

Also within 1000kg of... what?

[odd shell]

the deinos weight

it would have to scale with growth

[limber hull]

That's a buff to deino

An amazing buff actually

[odd shell]

how does the dragging work currently ?

probably doesn't even need to be changed just apply it to living dinos aswell

[solid belfry]

deino needs more skill requirement in general. it should require some sort of forethought in ambushing. maybe its hunger drain could be extended to compensate

[midnight heath]

Oh for sure, I don't like the whole getting grabbed >> can't fight back >> it lets you go >> slowly float up >> grabs again >> dead cycle

[urban flax]

Deino can grab anything that is under 50% of its weight
Lunge doesn't work on anything larger than that

[dusty stirrup]

But a pachy weigh 500KG two omnis is 400KG difference it's just unrealistic that the pachy still can jump with 900KG on him
and I think 4 omnis can pounce a carno, two on the left and two on the right (I guess they can) and 450 × 4 = 1800 just like the carno

[balmy glen]

Dont yall love this game

Had to relog 3 times before this because of the food glitch like

Wtf is this game

34 pop serv btw

Crashing constantly during fights and eating

Cant with this game constantly dark laggy af hard to get food constantly nightime and impossible to fill your diet or get any food on cera past 60% growth aswell as crashing every 5 mins and being ENTIRELY unable to move after trying to grab a boar or eat it so you have to restart the game its just dumb this games been out for 4 years and still so many bugs yall are too focused on making the game “realistic” and “immersive” without fixing ts its been going on for years i couldnt care less if the games immersive if i have to restart every 5 mins i would rather play a diff game then sit afk for 8 hours to grow a dino then sitting afk for 70 hours a week for growing and sitting afk throughout night because theres 0 gameplay loop like im so tired of it and most of everyone else agrees like i would love more dinos but i care more about not crashing and not sitting afk for longer then i actually play

[tight iron]

@dusty stirrup just so you know pounce to pin is coming, it's just being balanced, meaning that with enough raptors you'll pin something down and murk it

[midnight heath]

The fatal error thing seems like it's gotten worse, I used to never get them and I get them alot now at random.

[tight iron]

yesterday i was in vc with some raptors living the raptor life and one got like 3 fatal errors straight only by eating a deer, i also once got a fatal error when i pinned a boar down

[latent olive]

make sure to report those bugs

[tight iron]

@indigo mural we could say that it's already a thing with skins unless you want different stats as well

[tight iron]

it was recorded just not by me

[indigo mural]

No like model wise ik skins are a thing

[tight iron]

oh i see i see

[latent olive]

guh

[tight iron]

idk if it would be cool or not but i don't think it's coming

creating such a realistic model is not cheap and takes a lotta time

[indigo mural]

It’s not like they’re making a new model it’s just edits

And they had time to make elder models for all species which is the same concept

[tight iron]

if it's gonna be smaller it's better to create a new one based on the already existing one

[tight iron]

i think it's been months if not years

ive worked with a modeler, it's a pain

[indigo mural]

That’s besides the point, they were able to do so then they could still do it now

I’ve done modeling too, making edits isn’t that hard

[tight iron]

well they have priorities anyways, i don't think they're willing to spend money and a lotta time for something like that when everyone wants more dinos asap

the idea isn't bad i just don't think they would do that

[indigo mural]

What are you trying to accomplish by saying that though? If they have time to work on things like camera changes and things of that nature I don’t think it’s too far fetched fr.

It really wouldn’t be as hard as adding a new species

[tight iron]

yeah i guess, it's just me saying that they have a clock right in front of their face, they are speeding everything up like a machine so that ppl don't leave

so slowing down an update for months to create that... well, i don't think they're willing to do that

either way imma go now, good suggestion anyways

[indigo mural]

I don’t think they’re honestly too concerned about a clock they’ve said multiple times they care more about quality instead crunching to meet deadlines. But it’s cool if you want to disagree ig

[indigo mural]

@polar ore why do people like you exist to perpetuate and regurgitate stupid sh*t, like there has to be something better for you to do

[ivory sandal]

@polar ore sexual dimorphism is an actual term used in science, legitimately this is a get tf over it situation

[tight iron]

i have several questions

[urban flax]

I think that's a troll

[polar ore]

So anrgy..? Maybe Nicer for you not telling at me

[ivory sandal]

You're

Probably correct

[indigo mural]

Shut up ✌🏾

[polar ore]

Why

[ivory sandal]

Also sexual dimorphism for more creatures besides like

Literally just stego (and para, I geuss) would be pretty cool

[urban flax]

ptera

[polar ore]

The people like You are bad Conmunity enfleuince

[ivory sandal]

3 out of some 50 playables, I was close with the assumption of just 1

[ivory sandal]

Aren't you the one trying to ban scientific terms

[polar ore]

For say S*X!

[ivory sandal]

The word "sex" can also refer to male or female

[tight iron]

don't entertain it anymore ig, either he's a massive troll or is just from a completely different part of the world

[indigo mural]

Just let him troll himself into silence and solitude

[tight iron]

in which saying hello warrants a kick to the face

[polar ore]

I see You are? Talking about me

[limber hull]

4head is my favourite islecord member

[indigo mural]

That isn’t saying much fr

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message me when we can survive deinos

for once we can survive em and it works like it should (deinos eating each other to survive)

[limber hull]

i actually still have yet to tell if 4head is trolling or not

[tight iron]

i actually think he aint

[ivory sandal]

It's like a 50/50

[tight iron]

but yea tis a 50/50

[limber hull]

if he is, it's an amazing commitment to the bit

[tight iron]

fr

[ivory sandal]

Got more commitment to that bit than like a solid 30 or 40% of people do to relationships that's for sure

[odd pine]

4head relaest Ever

[barren jewel]

Everyone complaining about constantly crashing and lagging but I've never had these issues, even when I play on eu servers (im NA) sounds like yall need to get a job so you can afford some better wifi

[pseudo copper]

@polar ore Like it's been already explained, that term is used to differentiate between female and male gender characteristics. That's not something we will make punishable when used. However, we do not allow NSFW content, so if there's anything used out of context or for the sake of NSFW comments, that's a different story.

@indigo mural Which does not mean you have to be disrespectful, you could simply not respond or tag us if you think someone is intentionally derailing a conversation, like trolling for example.

[radiant comet]

improve the diet of the carnotauros because it is really bad, add ceratosaurus to 3 points, and stego to 2 lines

[limber hull]

stego should not be on carno's diet

[uncut zephyr]

yes it should
I will not elaborate as I know i'm correct

[cyan flame]

Remove diets, let the carnis hunt what they can, they'll learn the hard way xD

[boreal vessel]

Yeah and it’s hard to have 4 raptors pounce 1 carno.. haha I hear you! Very good points. I am not arguing just pointing out that carnos are truly massive and that’s why raptors can be carried easily.

However, he’s a pachy being that small should not be able to carry 2 raptors easily. It should lose stamina rapidly

[tight iron]

dw it's gonna happen

you know how as a rappie you pin a galli down for example? if you get enough raptors to pounce the prey, it will fall down and get annihilated

@barren jewel also i've been that idea actually happen, it's not bad but it really limits you, it's like a permanent migration zone, so i kinda don't want it here, it wasn't really fun

and for the last one, @hollow mirage, there's mutations that only will be available if you were nested

[urban flax]

@full pewter
#general-feedback message
Same idea, different execution

[limber hull]

god i love "bite me if u dare" magy

[urban flax]

Animals that can win a fight without needing to kill their opponent my beloved

[full pewter]

Idk didn’t really specify exactly how it would work but I’d expect it would be how you describe in your post

[limber hull]

Animals specifically adapted to fulfil a unique niche in the ecosystem, relying more on unique adaptations than raw weaponry my beloved

[full pewter]

I would expect Magy to have very few predators, but most notably venom users like Troo, Dilo, and Mega along with Cerato, maybe even tyrannosaurs

[limber hull]

Every single ecosystem has that one oddball ass animal with some absolutely nuts survival strategy that should never have worked, and yet it does

[full pewter]

And I love Magy for that

[limber hull]

Magy is to me like the skunk. The skunk should, by all means, die. It's not fast, it has zero weaponry, it's not a great climber, it can't burrow particularly well, so what does it do?

It just smells like complete ass, and predators are so genuinely distracted by how godawful it smells, the skunk just... leaves

It's why I like the idea of para actually using its exceptionally loud call as a survival strat. That makes it INFINITELY cooler, because it has a unique adaptation, and The Isle devs gave it a unique functional purpose in its survival strat

[urban flax]

"but it's too arcadey"

Ark ability

[limber hull]

The platypus

I will not take arcadey as an argument while we have ecosystems with insane goddamn bastard animals like the platypus

[full pewter]

What I do worry about is if mix herding paras will use their call to stun carnivores while the stronger herbivores come in for the kill

[limber hull]

Frankly if you see a herd with a ton of paras and trikes as one combined unit, you should probably leave

[urban flax]

Why would herbivores not be stunned as well ?

imo the only thing that should be immune to para's sounds is another para

[limber hull]

THERE EXISTS A LIZARD THAT FIRES BLOOD FROM ITS EYES WHEN THREATENED, MAGY TASTING LIKE ASS IS VALID AS HELL

[full pewter]

Fair, if it had a range of effectiveness or something

[urban flax]

I was more thinking about the pistol shrimp
Who kills prey by sending supersonic shockwaves on them

[urban flax]

I mean
You can't really aim a sound

[full pewter]

👆

[limber hull]

If you could legitimately taste so foul to carnivores that you can survive an attack off the merit of being genuinely so unappetising that it becomes a learned behaviour in carnivore species to not eat/attack you, you've succeeded

[full pewter]

Exactly

[limber hull]

The concept of something biting a magy and throwing up is
A: Funny
B: Really good for the magy, because it's like, the only hunt where you're actively losing food

People aren't going to bother risking starving for a magy, alongside the vomit debuffs

[urban flax]

Actually, other herbivores would be magy's greatest predators
Because they don't use their mouths to attack

[limber hull]

Unless you have nearby food/water/salt and like, all three nutrients, magy is never worth the trouble (or if you're cera/deino/other "i don't care" dinos)

[full pewter]

Spinosaurs too, cause claws

[limber hull]

Not only is magy not on your diet, it's actively causing you sickness

[limber hull]

Yea but they can't eat the reward, so still not worth it

The only spinosaur that can catch a magy is bary, and magy can beat up a bary if it can beat up a cera (and it tastes like ass if they DO kill magy)

[full pewter]

My thinking for herbivores is Magy is still capable of defending itself from those in its size range, like shoulder checking teno kicks or Diablo charges (if it gets it), but is fast enough to escape most herbis larger than it

[limber hull]

Legit, give magy a passive "bite = puke" defence, and I can guarantee people will not bother with hunting it

[full pewter]

That is true, just wanted to throw it out

[limber hull]

On top of its unappetising corpse, the thing will basically be one of the island's best adapted animals

Which is absolutely hilarious, given the discourse of its unviability

[full pewter]

I do think it’d be super cool if it had color indicators, like what many poisonous animals irl have

[limber hull]

The simple "oh people will just kill magy for fun" is counteracted by "if you try to kill magy, you will be sick, and if you try to eat magy, you will be sick, just leave it alone"

I mean, it's not poisonous tho. Just tastes horrid

[full pewter]

You’re suffering for trying

Is the point of Magy

[limber hull]

Basically yes

[ivory sandal]

@hard crystal so like

ReAlIsTiCaLlY speaking right

Hitting water from meaningful height hurts like an mf

Hell, it could probably break bone

Fall down off waterfalls or sumn blunt force is gonna break your everything

[stone hatch]

No he has a point depending on how you interpret it.

Think: those diving sports dive from significantly higher heights than its safe to fall from. Water becomes dangerous to fall into only if ur traveling so fast/falling so far. It should make falls less dangerous to go into water. Unless ur going say from the top of a big waterfall to the bottom.

The only concern is hitting the bottom or falling so far that the water itself becomes dangerous to hit.

Which takes significant distance

10 meters or so

[normal lotus]

If I were to explain a few things about it.

The reason why you get hurt from landing in water is surface tension and your own surface area. The more surface area when you land combined with how fast you are going, the more its gonna hurt. It's why belly flops hurt so much. The heavier and larger the dinosaur the more it will get hurt from hitting the surface.

[still sinew]

I REALLY liked you magy idea!! It’s exactly what I was hoping for when they said Magy’s flesh would be “poisonous”

[full pewter]

Honestly though I think it’s the best Magy has got, not necessarily built for combat (but not a slouch either) but rather defending itself passively in this manner, should credit this post too #general-feedback message

[still sinew]

Oooh yes! love the shoulder check too -- specially if it had a small push back affect. not a full knock down or anything tho, nah. I just enjoy the idea of a creature being able to use an attack to not just do damage, but to make space.

[stone hatch]

To what extent? Would it physically damage a carno to drop 3 meters into water that is extremely deep?

not trying to nitpick i just genuinely want to know

i understand that water can become "hard" to hit if you fall a certain distance, but all i was saying is that as a general rule we can take significantly worse falls into water than into land

as long as we dont hit the bottom

[normal lotus]

I mean, probably nothing major. Depends on how it landed.

On its side? It'd probably injure them a good bit. Maybe a few cracked ribs. Remember that carnos are around 1.8 tonnes in evrima

Imagine if a slightly larger hippo fell 3 meters

[tight iron]

i doubt it'd break anything

just a lotta pain

[normal lotus]

Definitely would be hurting a ton.

[tight iron]

absolutely

[normal lotus]

Definitely out of breath

From slamming against water.

[tight iron]

not so sure about that, but definetely a lotta pain

[normal lotus]

I've accidentally done backflops into pools before.

It's like someone smacking your back a full force.

But instead of one part it's your whole back

[tight iron]

ive almost gotten my legs shattered in judo and also bellyflopped/backflopped in some pools, the first one was way more terrible than the second one

[normal lotus]

oh

[tight iron]

speaking about this, ive also hit my knee against someone else's knee in practically full force, same with my ankle, ive practically stopped feeling my legs as a whole, i almost broke bones many times...

i was never out of breath so i really don't think a carno would be as well

i can't really compare a 1.8 ton animal yknow

but even then, i just don't think it'd be so so so painful as to require the carno to just say "okay hold on too much pain imma stay here for a while" specially since uhh survival moment

[midnight heath]

I think Magyarosaurus being an awful herbivore to hunt via it's poison is such a sick idea (no pun intended) and having specific carnivores to fill in the niche with an immunity to said poison is realistic. I want more specialized hunters in our ecosystem.

@plush pumice Some thoughts on your feedback!

• To say many people are moving to POT isn't really true, POT is a very different game compared to the Isle and while a lot of community members do play both, to say that they're leaving one for the other isn't very true.

• Dondi has expressed in the past his dismay for "eye-sore" skins and having a stark white skin is one of them. All black skins can be seen as meta and hard to see, hence my assumption for them being hard to make for most playables. Comparing "well cats and dogs -" isn't a great comparison either when we're specifically domesticated those animals to look a specific way unlike fictional recreations of dinosaurs. (I do think having coloration mutations via nesting would be really neat though.)

• Also in the future it might be best to split up your ideas rather than lumping them all into one, people who agree with one point might not agree with another which makes it hard to decide leaving a ❌ or ✅ !

[plush pumice]

unstable i changed it a little

[next raven]

@odd shell the dieno was way bigger irl so a dieno would easily take a carno under. they should make the dieno its true size but they would need to make wider rivers

[rare fractal]

Probably never going to happen

[next raven]

ye

[barren jewel]

With this map theres more than enough terrain that people would still have to travel across the map for migration with a habitablity mechanic. Right now only things that are really following migration are a few herbies. Almost everyone just goes to east plains or north east. If they want to fix this issue there needs to be more incentive to follow migration. I think a habitablity mechanic is the best way to do that but honestly I don't care how they do it im just tired of having to run back to east plains everytime my dino starts starving.

[tight iron]

oh you run back? i just kill something

there's actually plenty of food around

tho i main raptor and im usually in a coordinated vc pack so we go to highlands murk stegos go to swamp repeat etc

take a walk around the map obliterate a carno

kill as many things as we can see and take that chance to find a safe spot to nest in

form a 20 member raptor pack and just annihilate everything that exists

[coral jetty]

Out of curiosity is it normal for audio to stutter during music or around waterfalls?

[tight iron]

uh no

[next raven]

can some one put this in suggestions i put some thing in a hour ago

better server restart warnings

[barren jewel]

Thats nice but raptors are different story your fast so you can make journeys from one end of the map to the other before starving or live off AI. But a group of full grown ceras, or even something slower like a herra have to be in the hot spots or they'll starve. I've tried my best to stay away from east plains and north east but thats where the food is and ik a lot of other people are having the same experience

[tight iron]

yeah but since he plays raptor i said the raptor thing

you can literally feed a whole raptor pack with only ai

and maintain a very good diet (not 1 of each but 2 3 dot and 1 s

[barren jewel]

Again thats nice not everyone plays raptor, especially since they are not as good as they used to be, I solo raptor packs as fg cera its not that hard

[barren jewel]

The game needs to be more balanced especially with rex coming soon. The current state of the game is everyone flocks to 1 of 2 or 3 areas on the map everything else is mostly empty, they need to increase server size and find a way to make everyone spread out more

[limber hull]

@glacial wadi Carno is a 1.8 ton animal. Deino is an 8 ton animal. It's obviously able to pick up a carno and carry it with ease into the water

[glacial wadi]

After reading your bio, I aint gonna complain to you, I just feel like the way it grabs players is unrealistic in a way? They should do a death roll or something, make it more interesting.

[limber hull]

Oh a death roll is planned I think

Or at least, it's in testing

[glacial wadi]

Oh sick!

[limber hull]

Hold on

https://youtu.be/5PXc39FwyLU

It looks stupid, but that's because it was a bug that may turn into a feature

[glacial wadi]

Actually looks pretty good, hopefully it slows down but glad that’s happening

[limber hull]

Anyway, point is, we WILL be getting creatures well-beyond deino's grabrange, but cera and carno ain't those animals

Even in that video, you can see that deino dwarfs carno

And that's our biggest terrestrial carnivore atm

[glacial wadi]

Gotcha, ig since that’s our biggest one it feels big but it’s not

[limber hull]

Ya. It's just the nature of deino being SO big

[barren crater]

land grab is still cringe

[limber hull]

As the roster expands, we'll see a lot more animals that can shrug off deino (like rex, soon)

[glacial wadi]

Whoop whoop

[limber hull]

Rex is, btw, coming as the second next animal

[midnight heath]

Based take

[limber hull]

True

Honestly, give deino land charged bite

[barren crater]

ye

[midnight heath]

I'm just not fond of >> grabbed >> dropped >> grabbed again

[limber hull]

Why does carno have the cooldown lol

[midnight heath]

Lunge doesn't have a cooldown right? It's been a second

Okay so that's what I needed, I think lunge should have a cooldown.

With carno unable to topple people via tap-ram I don't really think it needs a cooldown anymore.

It already takes a chunk of stamina with it too

[limber hull]

i personally like the cooldown, and would prefer it stay rather than the huge stamdrain

[midnight heath]

I just don't feel like I'm charging often enough back to back for it to really be useful if that makes sense

it just feels like it's there to be there to me

[plush pumice]

@glacial wadi it doesnt matter about how tall something is or how long it is. Look at the weight difference. A deino can grab a rex, and a musa can killed a deino because its bigger and higger in weight. Makes sense

[formal kayak]

#general-feedback message
@plush pumice

[urban bear]

@plush pumice The new Camera isn't even in the game yet, I dont like it either but still.

[full pewter]

Did we ever see how fast trex will be in one of dondis streams or something?

[limber hull]

changes on a per-stream basis

[full pewter]

Gotcha

How fast should it be tho?

[limber hull]

@urban bear pretty sure Dondi said this patch is the "nuke east" patch

[urban bear]

If thats true that is a massive W

[midnight heath]

[timber coral]

If it's true it's gonna have a very positive impact, though I'm worried people are just gonna gather at North east

[limber hull]

North East is also getting changes, one of which is the nukage of the dam

[timber coral]

The dam? Oh wow that's huge

No more pachys or raptors resting

[limber hull]

post-dam world

[timber coral]

Looks pretty good ngl

Any word on the awful water in the lake?

[limber hull]

WDYM?

[timber coral]

I'm practically blind as a croc in that lake

Idk if that's just me but I literally can't see anything

[urban flax]

That's due to the current darkness bug
Which is also getting fixed

[timber coral]

Ah alr nice ty

[tight iron]

not saying it's perfect cause raptor can get out, im just saying to a raptor player how he can get out as a raptor

[tight iron]

make some map edits and spawn edits perhaps

cause i completely agree with you that there's no chance i would ever as a cera get out of east plains-northeast plains-waterfall area

[wintry whale]

If you fill up to full hunger in east plains, you can get all the way to highland lake and hunt stuff there with only getting to about 50% hunger, hunting the baby crocs as a subadult cera is fun

[tight iron]

it's not guaranteed that there'll be crocs tho

and it's pretty much empty, im always there as a raptor

[indigo mural]

Yea it tends to be empty with the odd one or two other players

In my personal experience

[wintry whale]

I must have gotten lucky then lol

[tight iron]

yea probably

i just have the good thing of having very good stego hunters with me and a bunch of safe spots to live in + being fast as hell

[limber hull]

@cursive wave the next animal we know will be under 40km/hr will be rex lol

[cursive wave]

t.rex will be ai and i mean smth like mid sized dinosaurs

[limber hull]

also, cerato isn't designed to be a hunter. It's purposely designed to be bad at it, to compensate for it's amazing corpse bullying capability

[limber hull]

It will be playable in unofficlas

[cursive wave]

ik

ik he should be a bad hunter but he should have the ability too hunt anything
but there isnt anything he can hunt

[limber hull]

that's the point

[cursive wave]

the most dinos are stronger then him
i mean with that
Carnos can kill a Cera easly
and the Cera isnt only a Bad Hunter he isnt even a good Defender

and if he is designed too be a bad hunter why he is on the Dev arts often the Hunter?

[limber hull]

specifically against magy, sure

he is not designed to hunt

[cursive wave]

the most dinosaur bodys are at the hot spots so a Carno killed a teno
And the Cera would have a chance against a Carno
Becuz he Can Over run him and alt bite him too death

[limber hull]

the hotspot is an issue alternate to cera

[hasty fractal]

I want to ask this once again, do you think Tenonto's kick should give Carno a stun?

[tight iron]

yes

tis a 1.6 ton animal made for kicking literally obliterating you

[barren zephyr]

Make deino's thirst not run out so fast or make more spawn spots for deinos. As it is right now it's a joke, might aswell remove the deinosuchus.

[vivid hollow]

I mean realistically yes it would knock you off balance

Ur Dino isn’t a brick wall

[arctic imp]

@faint cipher this is why I think they should have more servers, some with more ai, some with less. Or even just variation in server settings from diff servers in general

[frank osprey]

How has this game been in development for so long with such little progress

[latent olive]

explain

[frank osprey]

How long have you been playing bro? Type out how long Everima has been in development and try to think positively about the gaps

[latent olive]

4 or 5 years

care to explain the little progress though

actually i remember someone saying before when evrima and legacy were in the same development timeframe (both at 4 years of development) evrima had like, twice the mechanics

which is wild to me personally

[frank osprey]

We are 4-5 years of development into evrima and this is all we have

[latent olive]

what is "all we have"

last year alone we got 6 dinosaurs, a new map, migrations, weather, a new NV system, prototype guns for humans, new AI creatures, a new AI spawning system, a new stamina system, sanctuaries, and more

yeah theres been slow years in the past, im not denying that at all

but the devs are visibly and obviously ramping up speed like hell

[wooden agate]

it was me, hi

[wooden agate]

tfw we have over double the content that legacy had, and had one of the most content filled years of the games LIFE yesterday, AND evrima has only been in development for a few months longer than legacy was (legacy was being developed for about 4 years, evrima is at 4.5 rn)

[limber hull]

the main difference is legacy had more playables, but said playables were all kind of the same thing

just different models, noises and stats

[wooden agate]

legacy survival and evrima have the same amount of playables now

unless you count sandbox (i dont, they're more so debug dinosaurs that werent done but i can also see why some people would include them)

[full pewter]

New question for yall, if allo is a generalist carnivore that is ok at most but truly excells and underperforms in a few aspects, what should it underperform on?

[midnight heath]

I feel like allo shouldn't be super tanky in health but should have a good bite, that way it can't face tank everything it encounters; Possibly it could have really good endurance overall but not a lot of speed paired with good tracking. (?)

I know in Legacy it was a bit of a bleeder but if they went the slower but high endurance route they could keep that bleed potential, more of a long hunt sort of mid tier.

I miss those fights in Legacy to some extent, a good fight taking upwards to 15 minutes made things feel a lot more high risk/high reward.

[limber hull]

it'll likely have around a bit less than 3000HP so lol

[midnight heath]

So to sum up in my opinion:

• Mediocre speed but high endurance

• Good bite force

• Mediocre health

• Bleed potential // aids with tracking

• Decent turn speed

• Mediocre bleed res.

Best suited for long-haul fights and less small game

[midnight heath]

Yeah, I'm hoping that by the time the rooster is filled out that'll feel a lot less "big" for the larger mids

[limber hull]

Weight = health

[midnight heath]

Yeah I had that thought, I know it'll have more than carno

[limber hull]

Also high endurance and mediocre speed? On an ambush pred?

And "mediocre bleed res" would mean it has a superior bleed res to most of the roster

Most animals have zero bleed res

[midnight heath]

It wouldn't be the first time the devs have deviated a bit from what was originally planned, my concern is that allo will just be a better, bigger carno.

[limber hull]

Ideally, carno is not an ambush pred when allo comes out

It should be endurance imho

[midnight heath]

Do you really think it won't be?

Carno has been funky for a long time now and I don't think they know what they want from it at this point

[limber hull]

Hopefully. I don't think it works well as one

[midnight heath]

Medicore also maybe wasn't my best choice of wording, I want allo to be vulnerable to bleed to some extent

Like an omni pack should be able to kill an allo for sure

[limber hull]

Ambushes imply that you can't chase for long after the initial attack. Carno literally can ambush, miss, then immediately cycle to pursuit (because its speed is inherently built for pursuing), so its an ambush predator that doesn't care if it can't ambush

[midnight heath]

I just have no idea how they'll implement good ambush right now given how loud they are currently for our land carnivores

3000 won't exactly be quiet

God forbid it makes additional sounds beforehand

[limber hull]

Allo's grab feels very ambush-oriented

Run at something, grab it, kill it

[midnight heath]

It's the running at something that stumps me though, allo isn't too big but it's also not that small. Should it have like a little burst of initial speed?

Like Legacy ambush sort of vibes?

If prey runs the moment you get within 15 feet I feel like that's it for the ambush

[limber hull]

It very likely may

[midnight heath]

I'd be down for that honestly

I liked ambush previously, just needed a bit more work maybe.

[limber hull]

I never did

[wooden agate]

not entirely, atleast not anymore

[limber hull]

Especially not on every carnivore

[midnight heath]

I saw that a lot weren't a fan

[wooden agate]

they can and have made tweaks to fit the balance of the game without changing weight

[limber hull]

It basically makes attacker bias

And dissuades retreat

[midnight heath]

I do think ambush should be niche specific really

[limber hull]

I just think one animal (allo) should have it

[midnight heath]

I could see some herbivores with something like it

Specifically for evading predation

[limber hull]

How does that work lol

It literally requires you to charge up the speed burst

I think having two seperate speeds is also absolute nightmare for balance

[midnight heath]

It would for sure need to work differently for sure than one for say a carnivore, maybe a right click with a cooldown like carno ram.

For something small though like ava I guess, I'd have to think more on it.

I just worry that with the rooster filling up that a lot of playables will be more cosmetic and a jumble without more specifics.

But the more specifics I know the worse it gets for balance if anything is off really

[plush pumice]

just making sure

[plush pumice]

understandable but i still think it needed to be said

[urban bear]

its been said hundreds of times

scorll up in feedback about a week

[plush pumice]

i never saw it

im not up to date much so im not being salty or nothing im just sharing my opinion

[urban bear]

Yeah I get it, there was a massive rant from the community a little while ago

[hard crystal]

@idle briar there is not many rain shelters or places to cover ur head in the map

[idle briar]

didnt think that XD

[tawdry swallow]

Have they fixed petra nv? It looks much brighter

[hasty fractal]

According to what you said, Carno's alt attack and Cerato's charge attack should stun. Am I not right?

[lapis swallow]

how about its a game and not everything has to make perfect sense. tenos kick stuns, those other attacks do not

[hasty fractal]

It has 2 alternative attacks and they hit enough and they also stun.

[lapis swallow]

I get why it stuns, its range on the kick is so bad you need to get real close to get hit. so it stuns to punish you and follow up

[lapis swallow]

there is only one attack apart from kick on teno that stuns

[hasty fractal]

Tail and kick

İ think tail is enough for the carnos

[limber hull]

no

tail is a horribly slow and clunky move

[lapis swallow]

the tailslam cant be used that well in a brawl and it needs the stun to punish predators that get too comfortable around it

[limber hull]

i get it, you lose to tenos a lot. That doesn't entail you nerfing the hell out of one of their moves

Carno charge: Knocks down animals less than 1.8 tons at full charge, does 350 damage
Teno kick: Knocks down animals less than 1.6 tons, does less than 300 damage

Frankly, tail needs a change, because having your entire kit be locked out because you tailslammed once sucks

[tight iron]

a carno alt attack should not stun you and nor should a cera charge attack, so no, you're not right, a iirc 600kg tail being slammed with the power of thor on your face should absolutely destroy you, and since being 1 shotted is stupid for a game, you get stunned

[hasty fractal]

No, my win rate is 60-70% because of a stupid bug I found, but this needs to be changed.

[lapis swallow]

why tho?

[limber hull]

So what's the issue

[lapis swallow]

how would a teno else punish stuff trying to brawl with it, which they arent supposed to be good against it

[limber hull]

exploits a bug to easily beat teno
"teno needs a nerf"

because 70% winrate clearly isn't enough

[hasty fractal]

I accept for tail but kick isn't

[limber hull]

literally wants teno to be fodder

you know there are people playing the herbivores, right? It's not just AIs designed to feed you

[lapis swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1187576325574238238/text.gif

[hasty fractal]

Killing Cera doesn't do much for me. I'm trying Tenonto since I'm not on a diet.

[lapis swallow]

wut?

[tight iron]

a kick is reasonable as well

a horse kick can kill you

a teno kick should absolutely demolish you

[hasty fractal]

For the carnos too much

1.8 vs 1.6

[limber hull]

If a bear gets kicked by a horse, it's going to get staggered.

Yes, it's bigger, but the kick still has power

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/thisistheonedude123-bears-gif-18779976

[hasty fractal]

Stun is acceptable up to a point, but the attacking tenontos should not have a chance to land the 2nd kick.

[limber hull]

Also, the carno is faster, therefor, the teno needs some way to defend itself/get the carno to bugger off

[lapis swallow]

but then the stun is pointless lmao

[hasty fractal]

Sometimes 3

[lapis swallow]

"Stun should be a thing, but actually not change anything about the outcome of the fight" - This guy

so carnos shouldnt be able to land a followup bite after getting a knockdown?

[limber hull]

Every single post you've made is "buff carni" or "nerf herbi"

In order to hunt, you need a selection of herbis

In order to get a selection of herbis, you need it to be worth playing

In order to make it worth playing, you need to make it have a sufficient amount of counterplay against stronger carnis

[barren crater]

They should lol

[hasty fractal]

My opinion is that most herbivores should be made too weak to move around on their own.

[lapis swallow]

THERE WE HAVE IT

https://tenor.com/view/stay-calm-gif-23331870

[barren crater]

This is the issue with the playerbase, they want everything handed to them. Can't have any challenge. Teno deserves nerfs, yes, but the nerfs I've seen are overkill.

[lapis swallow]

@urban flax

[hasty fractal]

İ think this is not enough

[barren crater]

Get good or avoid the matchup. If you are a Carno, you can always run away

[hasty fractal]

I know, but running after 1-2 kicks kills Carno with bleeding.

[barren crater]

No it doesn't unless you're low on water

Also you decided to pick that engagement. If you're low on water and decide to fight a teno then L?

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-dragon-ball-serious-videl-green-gi-gif-4085509826425294602

[hasty fractal]

İ don't know guys but i m going to kill some ceras and tenontos

[limber hull]

EAT
GRASS
AND
DIE

DING DING DING DING

[hasty fractal]

Have a good day guys thx for discuss

[uncut zephyr]

EAT GRASAS ABND DEIE

[limber hull]

yes

[uncut zephyr]

YEAAAAAAAAH

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1187576325574238238/text.gif

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-goku-clapping-happy-gif-19981641

[lapis swallow]

oh god, the blind boi joined

[latent olive]

even yamcha wouldnt fight that mindset

[barren crater]

So far i've seen people wanting to nerf the bleed, increase the stam cost of teno and nerf the stuns. What else?

Oh yeah damage

[lapis swallow]

agility

[limber hull]

Stam cost is the only one worth nerfing

I agree, 2% too low

[barren crater]

????

OH YEAH

[latent olive]

while we're at it, remove tenoto's ability to jump because that allows it to escape the superior predator

this cannot happen

[barren crater]

3 - 4% kick, 4 - 5% slam is more than enough as well as making the window for the charge cancel smaller since it plays for the whole animation and a bit after iirc?

I dislike the cooldowns on teno, hopefully thats fixed soon lol

[limber hull]

remove cooldowns, up stamcost, boom, good animal

also buff carno lol

[barren crater]

That's my worry. Mega nerf on teno and then a buff for carno causing the same problems as before

[limber hull]

I almost can guarnatee that's the outcome

Teno will never survive a patch without a meganerf

[urban flax]

Thanks

[barren zephyr]

@vivid hollow how will crocs survive then when all their water is gone

what if ppl decide to drink all of water acces

[vivid hollow]

Oh that’s true

I mean crocs can migrate too

[urban flax]

Dinos emptying water makes sense when it's from a pond... not from a river

[vivid hollow]

It wouldn’t be like one second it’s full the next it’s not

It would be over time

[barren zephyr]

so old ponds will go away but new ponds will spawn from rain

[vivid hollow]

And fill up in the rain maybe

[urban flax]

Or a lake
Like, there's a lot of water in lakes

[vivid hollow]

Yeah I agree with that bubu

Just ponds

[acoustic egret]

what does graze do as herbivore

[tight iron]

when you're below 20% food you can graze to get to 20%

it's a way for you to not starve

[acoustic egret]

ic

[little shoal]

Could not post everything in the other channel due to slowmode, to react to this:
#general-feedback message

Personally I think one of the best features added to the game was the expanding zone displays for sanctuaries and migrations. I think that these can be utilized to significantly improve the way the scent system works.
I propose a simple and efficient approach to a new tracking system. I believe this system will help solve a number of issues the game currently has. I also believe it would be easy to implement with relatively few changes and is easily expandable.

There are three main components to the new system: Stink, Tracking and Wind Direction. Each synergizes off the others, and some synergize with other systems already in the game.
To avoid a wall of text, I have summarized the main points of each component and provided some helpful diagrams to demonstrate their use.

Stink
--Animals have a stink range and a stink origin (see wind direction)
--Any dino that sniffs while within another's stink range will be shown there is a dino nearby, but not its direction (similar to how migration/sanctuary works)
--Stink range is proportional to size (maybe 50-500m)
--When animals are close to each other (within 25m), the range for each increases
--Mud, water (rain or and dirt reduce the range, blood (both from bleeding and the blood that gets on you after attacking/eating) increases the range
--Dipping in water will remove the effects of mud, dirt, and blood
--No stink range while underwater
--Corpses/gore also have a stink range, which increases as they rot, while bones have a small stink range
--Blood trails/footprints do not stink (can remain visual cues)

Tracking
--All animals have a detection (sniff/smell) range, based on the animal
--Much larger than the stink range
--When a dino is sniffing, any entities whose stink range is within the dino's detection range will appear in the compass based on their stink origin

Wind Direction
--Wind direction and speed is randomly determined, based on weather
--Animals' stink origins are offset by the wind direction and speed

I believe this new tracking system solves several issues that the game currently has.

1. AFK growing
   This tracking system allows players to detect the approximate location of other players without needing to see them. This means that if you want to survive you should always be on the move.
2. Lack of interactivity while growing
   Carnivores no longer need to be close enough to a player or AI to hear or see them, and being able to track down both players and AI provides more fun opportunities. Similarly, finding plants is more engaging because you will only be able to know that your food is nearby, you will need to find it.
3. Reduces hotspotting
   By giving carnivores the ability to hunt other players anywhere, and encouraging herbivores not to linger too close to hotspots while growing, this promotes players to spread out

Other considerations if this system were implemented:
--May want to reduce stink range when crouching, climbing/hanging (to prevent ambush predators from being detected too easily by sniff spamming)
--May want separate detection ranges for plants/animals/other (in case herbis need to detect plants easier than other dinos, or ceras to detect corpses)
--When tracking, detected entities' indicator may have bars (similar to migration bars) which widen as you get closer to the target (may clutter the compass)
--May want to add a random offset to the stink origin that increases with the distance to the target (makes it harder to move straight toward the target)
--May want to add a "wet" condition that remains for a minute or two after getting in water or being in the rain (neat addition IMO)
--May reduce animal noises, aside from 1 calls, or make them more attenuated by distance (rely more on tracking to find prey/food than noises)
--May want to distinguish live animals in the compass by their nutrient, not just corpses/gore
--May want to adjust the way smells are displayed in the compass to reduce clutter, either by stacking them vertically based on distance, only showing the closest smell, or merging smells
--May want to add more variation in plant food spawning locations to prevent memorizing locations of food

[limber hull]

@wise quest there's a branch you can play if you want to play Spiro. The reasons Spiro isn't on the current build are as follows

• Makes herrera unplayable
• Doubles the download time of any update
• Is a terrible first impression for players due to its horrid lack of optimisation
• Doesn't work with migrations at all
• Not set up for weather
• Not set up for modern AI spawning

There's more but that's the most of it. They won't bring it back on the modern branch, that's what the Spiro branch is for

[wise quest]

Is the Spiro branch just one that u select the same way as selecting evrima?

[limber hull]

yes

no one is playing on it, but you can go there

[wise quest]

Guess that's useless then lol

I'll just wait like 5 years for the next map then ig

[limber hull]

why lol

[wise quest]

I just hate gateway

[limber hull]

if we're getting new maps, they're going to be more like Gateway and less like Spiro

[wise quest]

Not rly sure how to explain it it's just not fun anymore

[limber hull]

Spiro is inherently a bad map lmao

[wise quest]

I never really saw why people complained about it so much I always enjoyed it

[limber hull]

It's so weird to me that people dislike Gateway but like Spiro, even though Spiro is inherently just... bad

Like the map fails in so many elements of basic level design and optimisation lmao

[wise quest]

It was simple i think that's the main reason I like it

[limber hull]

Ah, well you probably won't like any map The Isle has to offer in the future lol

Spiro's simplicity was one of its greatest flaws

[wise quest]

I would spend hours sitting on a single rock and scaring babies as a teno

[idle briar]

@vestal stag pls chat here if you want to talk about suggestion

[normal lotus]

@tired edge thankfully thats something they're working on

[hidden mist]

I can’t believe they are fixing Foliage Physics next update. I just have to hope that this setting is not the one that was causing the lag, lol

But “Diablosaurus” for sure made me chuckle

[stable forge]

utah raptor forgotten??

[limber hull]

no?

[barren zephyr]

It was just a constant sea of grass and forests no biome diversity at all

[latent olive]

I believe it’s called Stockholm syndrome

[wise quest]

I'm not sure why I liked it so much. I tried playing botw and just couldn't play it at all because it was just an expanse of nothingness lmao

[limber hull]

Spiro is an expanse of nothingness lol

That's why people don't like it

[wise quest]

Could be the other bad changes they made along with adding gateway that makes me feel this way

[limber hull]

I think a lot of Gateway's changes were great, personally

[wise quest]

The stam is pretty much impossible to defend but the other changes kinda just clashed directly with my playstyle

[limber hull]

I'd defend the stam, because I prefer it honestly. Besides some silly things like stego just dying when out of stam

[wise quest]

It was kinda dumb when they add a new map that nobody knows how to get around and then give you no stam to use to find how to traverse it

Ima stop talking in this chat and insulting the game before i get banned lol

[limber hull]

why would you get banned lol

they don't ban for insulting the game lmao

spend a day in this discord and that's very apparent

[wise quest]

I've heard some stories and I've seen some crap

[latent olive]

I’ve heard some crap and I’ve seen some stories

[hard crystal]

@wise quest u can still play spiro just switch betas

[idle briar]

can we play herra and dilo on spiro

i cant find any server on spiro?

[limber hull]

no one is playing

[idle briar]

oh no :c

[limber hull]

no one likes spiro lol

[jovial hazel]

Tick the box for Unofficial. There's no officials.

Just curious if there's actual players.

[idle briar]

WAIT IT WAS DISCUSSION XDDD

thought it was na chat

[desert arch]

@next raven an unstuck commant is already being worked on.

[next raven]

thats why i suggested how it could work

[desert arch]

Misread then, mb

[next raven]

np

[barren crater]

Let’s be fair here, they nuked the officials servers on spiro so it never had a chance of having a playerbase

[quiet agate]

I loved spiro.

[limber hull]

I'm sorry about that

[umbral skiff]

So happy to have Gateway now

[solid belfry]

I'm not, it suffers the same spawnpoint hotspots made worse by the map being too big for a 100p flow of players. At least spiro had a central hot zone made of plains that connected easily to visually divergent areas that people wanted to explore. Gateway is prettier but it's denser and bigger to a detriment

[normal lotus]

Fair though if you increase the population you also run into the issue of there being more people. Therefore more KOSers, mixpackers, megapackers, and possibly even hackers and cheaters too. Even if they're banned relatively quickly

[solid belfry]

I would agree if the map wasn't loaaded with foliage and rock cliffs. There is plenty of LOS breaks to give players playstyle options if they don't want to stay in a super pop dense area.

[limber hull]

I still don't understand this argument lol

[normal lotus]

I mean I can kinda see it.

[limber hull]

In a server of 5 players, one dude can still be a cannibal, and now 20% of the server are cannis

[normal lotus]

But the chances of being attacked by said cannibal are quite low

In higher populations, not only is there a higher chance of a player being cannibal, but also a higher chance of encountering the player

This leads to statistically speaking more cannibal encounters.

[solid belfry]

So eat the cannibal xd or leave the dense areas

[normal lotus]

This is the ideal. But there's always the issues of things like mixpackers too

Btw I am slightly playing devils advocate.

I am more inclined to having slightly higher populations. But it doesn't feel all too bad when at 100

[full pewter]

I think the main concern is the upcoming roster, it’s fine now but if we had 60 playables then 100 is not enough imo, it’d be very hard to assemble packs without friends or groups

[normal lotus]

True. That would be an issue, especially if you are playing more niche dinosaurs.

[full pewter]

If I were to create an idea limit for a full roster it’d be 150 Dino limit and 50 human limit

Totaling at 200

[normal lotus]

Though tbf, some officials probably don't have all 60+ animals on.

[full pewter]

Maybe, but id like at least some officials to have all Dino’s enabled, I in no way want to rely on community servers

[normal lotus]

Oh of course some officials probably would have them all enabled. Just some prob would be different

Anyway, it 1 am I gtg

[full pewter]

Nw have a good night

[urban flax]

@strange beacon Maybe the reason dilo's hallucinations cause damage is because you're actually envenomated

[boreal nymph]

Why is lightning so damn taxing on the system, cant even play during thunderstorms the lag is awful

[midnight heath]

I'll go from 40ish frames to 14 whenever lightening strikes.

[limber hull]

<@&933486433342222376> idk if hotg1rls aligns with dino discussion