general-feedback-discussion

[past notch]

anyone else just randomly disconnecting constantly?

[past notch]

Did the Devs put the server restart frequency up instead of the AI frequenct?

[barren zephyr]

Everyone take a minute to appreciate @mighty prism suggestion so people can actually play the game 🫶

[lost glen]

Yeah … the servers crash within 10-15 mins of play ..

[mighty prism]

its insane

speaking of crashes there goes na 4 again 💀

6 minutes new record

[autumn bluff]

Lmaoo

[autumn bluff]

6 minutes of gameplay, i love the isle

[mighty prism]

6 minutes of starvation ❤️

[autumn bluff]

😍

[mighty prism]

if we all work together i bet we could get it down to 4 minutes

[fervent hare]

Why are servers staying up for 10 mins then keep reseting?

[cunning ocean]

Game is just unplayable right now with the servers crashing ever few min. You cant nest as your nest despawns every time. You cant play a carnivore as the food despawns, like.. i dont think the last patch was tested whatsoever. Please PLEASE test the patches and stresstest them before launching like this.. becauxe the entire community is just frustrated at this point. Early acess is one thing, but when updates make it this much worse its smth else entirely.

[fair grail]

We need a roll back pre Dilo and Herrera, honestly xD

that’s where the problems just blew up massively

[radiant nest]

@foggy bolt #general-feedback message this is a bug, you can put shadows to medium and/or relog to fix it

[foggy bolt]

the constant fog is a bug? why does it go away for like 5 minutes then come back then like normal weather

[radiant nest]

The brown fog in your screenshot is a bug

[foggy bolt]

this is normal ingame fog

everyone im playing with has it

[foggy fiber]

thats how fog shows up for me, it goes away after a while but still is way too common

[radiant nest]

It can be compounded with normal fog, but the brown fog is not intended and has a fix

[foggy bolt]

i dont have brown fog just normal lame constant in game fog

[foggy fiber]

do you have any screenshots of how it's meant to show up? this is how my fog has always been

[radiant nest]

This is normal

[foggy fiber]

interesting

so if i change shadow setting it should revert to this?

[foggy bolt]

its still annoying and needs to be changed

the fog is constant

[icy lion]

It may fix it, ymmv

[radiant nest]

It should, otherwise relogging does it for me

[icy lion]

Might need a config wipe as well

[foggy fiber]

gotcha

[urban bear]

Thats bugged fog, I have had it several times u just gotta log ot fix it

[frank osprey]

Might just be bad luck in my part, but hackers have been back causing problems lately

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
i bet you if they were to go back to Spiro but keep the stam system, you'd hate it too

the new map is objectively better, no question

[pine dock]

Spiro wouldn't even be that bad with the new stam since it's so much smaller, Gateway is objectivly better, but gateway isn't built for the stam system

[radiant nest]

#general-feedback message @silk socket this is a bug, try setting your shadows to medium or relogging

[limber hull]

@sullen ivy you'll have to take that to Valve, the refund rules are universal on Steam, The Isle can't make a special exception

[limber hull]

@celest basin one slight issue, makes grouping a nightmare

[celest basin]

then they can add a menu "spawn together" system

I just added that

[tidal night]

In regards to: #general-feedback message

How was spiro more fun than gateway? I mean, I liked spiro's design but gateway looks better and feels batter imo, but I don't attribute that to the fun of the experience.

[leaden prism]

because most players are playing this game as fight simulator than survive simulator

[limber hull]

and spiro was just that, a combat arena

[leaden prism]

^

[shy python]

hunger drains so fast I gotta live that way lmao

[leaden prism]

depends on what you play and how you play it

if you're a cera, expect to never be sated even when there's plenty of food

[shy python]

yeah ^ 🤣 I just gotta keep killing

[leaden prism]

things are walking garbage disposals lol

[low vapor]

The only reason I would like Spiro is because the stam system wasn't a burden. I don't think it should go back to the way it was in Spiro, but the current stam system is unbearable. Some sort of middle ground between Spiro's and Gateway's stam system would be nice. Legacy's stam system may also be something to consider, though I don't remember much about Legacy to begin with.

[edgy summit]

I agree about the part with legacys stam, it was pretty balanced with some dinos not gaining stam while trotting, only sitting (trike and rex). Although maybe change the part about only sitting to get stam as trike and rex but maybe z walk too? Stam was the only thing balanced in legacy tbh

[limber hull]

legacy carno had a longer stam regen time than any animal in EVRIMA atm lmao

[low vapor]

Pretty sure trike and rex could regain stam through z walk in legacy. But I don't remember. Whatever it was, I mention legacy because, from what I remember, the stamina system had little flaws

[low vapor]

But it could regen stam through z trot

[edgy summit]

It had a long run time too tho and high speed

[limber hull]

so does EVRIMA carno

[hearty sphinx]

Erm u have to fight to survive

[hearty sphinx]

And its not now?

What is gateway then? Because I still see everyone attacking each other. Nothing has changed and nothing will

[limber hull]

people will attack each other, that's nothing new. Spiro literally had so many corpses in centre the game lagged simply from stepping foot there

[low vapor]

Evrima carno does not have a long run time. In legacy, their stam certainly lasted longer. That I can remember.

[limber hull]

their stam lasted longer but their rest time was also proportionally longer. EVRIMA carno may have less stam, but it also has less regen time

[hearty sphinx]

And its exactly the same now in ne and e

[low vapor]

There's still lots of corpses everywhere if you hang out in the hotspots such as NE.

[limber hull]

so, if it's exactly the same, except Gateway is more optimised and nicer to look at, what exactly is the point of going back to Spiro?

even if we are to stick with this "they're exactly the same" argument, that simply means Gateway is already the better choice. Same gameplay, better optimisation, level design and aesthetics. Spiro is entirely irrelevant

[hearty sphinx]

Better optimization? Are you for real?? It lags far far worse than spiro EVER did

[limber hull]

the game runs infinitely better for me now than it ever did on Spiro

[low vapor]

Yes, and I find the stamina used in legacy much more balanced. I've never heard of much complaints when it came to stamina in legacy. Those who were designed to be more endurance-oriented ran fairly often, but that's okay because their playstyle was meant to be that way more or less. Larger ambush predators didn't run near as much such as rexes.

[limber hull]

Spiro dropped to 4 FPS the moment you step foot in centre

[low vapor]

Damn that's lucky. For me, it only got worse. I only try tolerate it though because I'm a fan of the new map.

[limber hull]

I get consistent 60 frames, which sometimes drops to 30

On spiro, I'd get at max 40, with a minimum of 4 when in centre

[hearty sphinx]

U mentioned spiro was a fight simulator.

[limber hull]

because it is

[hearty sphinx]

So is gateway

[limber hull]

so then there's no reason to have Spiro

because if Gateway is the exact same in terms of gameplay but an improvement in everything else, why have Spiro?

[hearty sphinx]

Spiro didn't lag and have server crashes every 5 minutes

[low vapor]

The only thing I'd like about spiro is the stam system because it at least wasnt a burden. The stam system brought with gateway is killing me. That's why I say something similar to legacy's stam system or some sort of middle ground between spiro's and gateway's stam system would be nice.

[limber hull]

Firstly, it absolutely did, secondly, neither of those things have anything to do with Gateway lmao

that's entirely on the servers themselves, not the map

[hearty sphinx]

U said gateway is better. The map yes, everything else, no

[limber hull]

I think everythng improved with Gateway

[hearty sphinx]

Your deluded

[low vapor]

Spiro definently lagged. Crashes got fixed and then broken sometimes.

[limber hull]

"You don't agree with me therefor you're delusional"

My fave argument

[hearty sphinx]

Not as bad as gateway, no way near

[hearty sphinx]

No point arguing about it. That's mine and a hell of a lot of other ppls opinions

[limber hull]

You're delusional for not liking the new stam system

See how that works? It doesn't.

[low vapor]

When I don't hang around hotspots, my fps is good. Better than on spiro. But then in hotspots, the fps is horrible. Lag is worse in Gateway for sure though. Crashes weren't a huge problem for me on Gateway compared to Spiro. It crashes more often on Gateway, but I didn't lose my dinos. If I crashed on Spiro, my dino would get completely lost or back to when I last safe logged.

[hearty sphinx]

But is it worth stating it here? I'm not too sure

[hearty sphinx]

Servers didn't crash every 5 minutes like they are now

[limber hull]

For 6 months on Spiro, your dinosaur didn't save and was deleted every time you safelogged lmao

[low vapor]

It doesn't crash every 5 minutes for me. I'm not sure if that's because I'm playing on unofficial servers though.

[crimson glacier]

It is

[hearty sphinx]

Just seems they keep pumping out new dinos and stuff that the game clearly can't handle

[limber hull]

If we're arguing "which map has had the most issues", it's Spiro

[hearty sphinx]

Probably

[low vapor]

Yeah, makes sense. Official servers tend to be pretty unstable to begin with.

[hearty sphinx]

Gateway

[low canopy]

ai is garbage, migrations don't work, stamina changes are questionable

[limber hull]

In the endless words of Tina
"Your deluded"

[low vapor]

I'd reccomend trying out unofficial servers. There are no rule servers out there with plenty of players. If it turns out crashes are less frequent on unofficial servers, it could help to try them out.

[barren crater]

?

Are we basing it on the map or the mechanics

[limber hull]

Basing it on literally everything but map it seems

[hearty sphinx]

Mechanics

[low vapor]

Map is good, but the mechanics brought with the update suck

[limber hull]

^

[low canopy]

also map is way too large for 100 pop

also there are even more places to get stuck in

[hearty sphinx]

Exactly

[barren crater]

Gotcha

[low canopy]

also regional spawns are even worse now that there is no CD

[low vapor]

Too bad you can't really explore the map much to begin with now that we got hotspots.

[hearty sphinx]

I mean it really wasn't thought through was it

[barren crater]

No one wants to play herbis so there's no need to follow migration zones.

[low canopy]

that problem becomes even worse as roster expands, since there will be more cooler carnis to choose from, meanwhile herbi gameplay more or less enjoyment comes from herding. and more options means less chances of someone playing the same species as you

[low vapor]

Yes, that's why the update isn't living up to its potential. If it had gone through better planning and had bugs and optimization fixed, people wouldn't be as angry

[limber hull]

That's what you get when you have 8 carnivores and 5 herbis (3 of which aren't done)

[barren crater]

tbf

They kind of made migrations terrible

[low vapor]

What about omnivores?

[barren crater]

Can't eat outside of it or rarely. Like I was forced onto the beach as teno for 2 hours

The diet drains quickly and so does the hunger

[low canopy]

I think its hard to give feedback on migrations that would be good, since you have to balance between forced gameplay and giving player too much freedom

[limber hull]

i mean i think the best way to go about it is having 2 active migrations at once per species

[barren crater]

That + actually changing some of the water / food / diet timers cause as it stands, it's too tedious. I'm not saying make it easy but give us options to explore lol

[hearty sphinx]

I've only seen the migro zones at ne and south of east lake lol.

[barren crater]

Carnivores are more enjoyable to play just on the basis of PvP for food. Herbi's are stick to an area and eat grass.

I still enjoy herbis equally since they have cool mechanics but the average player clearly loves the PvP side of carnivore gameplay

That + they can just run off lol

[topaz kestrel]

Have you played Spiro at all? 😂
Gateway is more beatiful thats the only thing thats better right now

[low vapor]

Something that can be equally fun as PVP for herbis would be nice. Problem is if that's even possible.

[hearty sphinx]

We're not supposed to pvp. Shhhhhh. It's a 'survival' game 🤫

[limber hull]

yes, I spent a majority of The Isle time on Spiro. Gateway is 100% better

I literally stopped playing around U6-U6.5 for a great deal because of how dull Spiro became to me

[low vapor]

Not 100% better, only better in some areas. But it's not 100% better.

[limber hull]

Gateway has literally entirely made me enjoy the game again

[hearty sphinx]

You only got bored of spiro because the map had been around for a while

[topaz kestrel]

Wth I can't understand how anyone would say that... The Isle is in its worst state since I've started playing like really the lowest of lows. Every decision made made it a worse experience...

[low vapor]

For me, it feels more or less like Spiro but with different problems. I only prefer Gateway over Spiro because of the map and new playables.

[limber hull]

I do not agree besides the AI change, but not because there's too little AI, rather the fact that it exclusively spawns near players, which I think is an absurd system

[barren crater]

Herbivore PvP is genuinely more enjoyable. Issue is that they don't have that hunting thrill like a carnivore does yk?

Mechanically though, Teno / Pachy > Carno, Omni & Cera. They feel more satisfying for me.

Ways to make them more fun is tough though.

[hearty sphinx]

Me too

[low canopy]

we were stuck with center or nothing on spiro for more than a year, i think it was quite boring having to stay at center just to get some sort of survival experience whilst rest of the map was free real estate where you could afk in open without risks, people who enjoyed that probably preferred it for easy access to pvp

[low vapor]

Something that isn't PVP but can be just as fun as PVP would be great for pretty much every playable. Also, players having a preference for carnis also may just be a result of their favorite dinos being carnivores to begin with.

[hearty sphinx]

Gateway has become like spiro. Everyone at ne and East. Its the new spiro centre

[barren crater]

Oh I agree. The issue is what though. 🤔

[low canopy]

i'm well aware and predicted this outcome more than a year before public release, but changes can be made

[low vapor]

Yeah, that's the problem. You need something just as captivating and interesting to engage with.

[barren crater]

Imo what made herbis fun in the past was the option to eat their diets and leave the diet location to do whatever

[hearty sphinx]

I dont agree with ppl calling killing for survival pvp. You fight to survive but it gets made out to look like you do it because you don't need to

[barren crater]

Like update 5 I could get up to 200 - 300% diets as my teno and I was allowed to ignore it for 2+ hours . Overkill for the current game but it was very fun

[low canopy]

man i miss stacking nutrients, gave me a reason to eat only diets plants and rewarded me if I tried nesting/were stuck in pvp encounter for longer period of time

[hearty sphinx]

Why wasn't they made all that time on spiro?

[barren crater]

Yeah

[topaz kestrel]

Let me tell you the mechanics that are way worse than spiro:

-First of all hotspots forming its waaaay worse than spiro ever was in that regard which is due to
- horrible stam regen paired with horrible hunger/thirst drain not allowing you to explore without taking a great risk of starvation
- AI spawn system is ridiculous and don't force players to move anywhere
- migration zone is basically a forced hotspot for herbis (herbis have no free will where to go anymore 😦 )

• balancing, with the new stam regen things got really unbalanced where some dinos are still fun and actually good in combat and some are more useless than ever before
• weather, while weather is a good point it turned quite the opposite real quick with how dark it is, how often fog appears and so on
• nightvision, this has been a problem even before gateway but the fact that its not really improved isn't really a plus for gateway
• food scarcity, of course its kind of linked to the AI system being stupid but its also because of hotspots since 70% of the map are dead space
• deathmatch, the game went from being a survival game to being a deathmatch game

Dont get me wrong theres also some positive things about gateway and imo alot of things got worse which were feeling quite nice when gateway first released. Overall very poor decisions have been made sadly.

And if you're looking at the feedback channels its not only my opinion that things got worse

[low vapor]

I know, but some people literally are just fueled by the idea of PVP. I wouldn't blame them too much either since there's not much outside of PVP to do. There needs to be more things you can do. The only other thing you can do aside from PVP is walk around, explore (which is now a death sentence if you try), sit down and chill, or talk to other players. These aren't neccesarily bad things, but it's not as engaging or interesting for the majority of the playerbase.

[low canopy]

imagine we had stacking nutrients back with organs that gave decent amount, even carnis could realistically nest whilst providing perfect diet and not starve

[hearty sphinx]

😂

[low vapor]

I agree with this pretty much entirely.

[barren crater]

Current system DOES NOT work.

Example : I fill up on diets as teno. I now have a 50 minute timer. If I leave the diet location, I can't fill up on any other food that isn't diet or else I'll need to wait till 0% hunger to fill up all 3 slots. So I'm running on low food / am required to graze to keep alive since I'm away from diets.

So it's either stay in diet zone and get bored (issue on spiro as well. 1+ year of this hell) or go out and have 'fun' but likely puke in 1 - 2 hits from a cera or have terrible diets. The food depletes too quickly. One of the many factors that people hate herbivores from what I've gathered from asking.

[limber hull]

the game is def not more of a deathmatch than Spiro, that's just wrong. Simply tapping Q in Spiro centre was enough to prove how much of an insane deathmatch it was

balancing is honestly fine beyond like... hypsi being too weak? and dilo is busted. everything else can throw down fine

hell even DRYO is in a state where it can throw down with larger preds like herrera and win

[hearty sphinx]

I've never seen ANY player, playing a cera, carno or utah just walk happily past other players unless they were outnumbered 😂😂

[barren crater]

I mean as it stands, Omni players flee 💀

[low canopy]

agreed, and I share the wonderful experiences

[hearty sphinx]

😂😂😂

[hearty sphinx]

😂

[low vapor]

Lmao. Luckily, I don't like killing things if I'm not hungry unless I feel like I need to do it incase I need it in the future.

[barren crater]

Balance (pvp) wise teno is perfect. Too bad it's boring to play

Not even a teno issue 😔

[hearty sphinx]

Exactly! U never know when u gonna see your next meal ahahha

[low vapor]

Yep. The hunger drain doesn't help with that.

[barren crater]

Carno is forced to engage lol

[topaz kestrel]

In Spiro you could just avoid center and youre not in a deathmatch and still survive, in gateway youre starving if youre avoiding the hotspots...

[limber hull]

in Spiro you legit starved if not in very specific points, it's no better than Gateway in that regard. In a jungle? Death

No AI, no plants, no grass

Legit nothing but death

[crimson glacier]

Gateway is far worse for starvation since the AI is absolutely broken. Spiro had AI in most places and you could always go somewhere else for it. Plants were also everywhere, jungles had patches of grass you could graze from, if there weren't any then you could always waddle outside of the jungle to find grass or plants. It wasn't difficult to find

[limber hull]

its remarkable that AI is difficult to find when it literally spawns near people lol

how does that happen

[crimson glacier]

On Gateway it's really rare to find anything outside of hotspots. It might have changed slightly since the last few hotfixes, but it doesn't change that hotspots are the only way to actually survive long term

[limber hull]

yea because they added the "AI only spawns near players" thing

which is bizarre because it literally just compounds the hotspot thing

[crimson glacier]

Exactly. It's a really silly and ridiculous way of doing it, but here we are

[low canopy]

many of the AI are so tiny that you can't detect them around foliage or even grass, also sounds are lacking

[minor field]

And also the ai can just decide they want to manifest underneath the map

[low canopy]

if carno gets 2 chicken spawns, do you think they notice or cheer happily over it, thats like 1% food

[minor field]

Or in an unreachable spot etc

[low canopy]

like tiny AI should be easily detectable and spawn mostly for juvies, never adults

or if its beipi then frogs are OK i guess etc

[minor field]

I can’t believe I’m praising legacy’s ai but at least you could easily tell where it was because it made a good amount of sound

[topaz kestrel]

I knew the map pretty well and there were 2 spots which were empty the rest was pretty decent and I rarely starved to death so I dont really agree... now starvation is the number 1 cause of death

[frail merlin]

I'd rather them focus on the next dilo buff than servers or starvation

[normal lotus]

You mean a nerf right?

Also yea balance going over FIXING THE DAMN GAME seems about right.

[icy lion]

@glossy bridge @wild dagger @prime mesa #announcements

[north quiver]

clearly poor little new dilo is grossly underpowered

its venom should last double than what it does now! 10 minutes seems reasonable

[frail merlin]

agreed i dont think it should end tbh more realistic

[normal lotus]

You...you're trolling right

[north quiver]

10 minutes of the inability to sniff or see 5 feet in front of you

oh yea also 10 minutes of clones that do full damage on tail tips

[frail merlin]

they should be able to fly and breath fire aswell

[north quiver]

let them pounce and pin ceras

[frail merlin]

you should be perma banned if u kill them

[normal lotus]

Lol, anyway

Glad to see the devs on top of the bugs, I salute anorak for staying up until 11pm his time to get the update out. He a real one.

[north quiver]

he’s based

[prime mesa]

server down again

[wild dagger]

yes the servers crash every 2-5 minutes

[minor field]

It needs 6 clones and weigh more than cera!!!!!1!

[north quiver]

[minor field]

Jesus Christ I will never get over how absolutely ridiculous dilo is

Me and my friend play it from time to time and we are just laughing at how stupidly effective dilo is

We fought of a pair of fully grown ceras managing to envenomate both of them however they got us both critically low on bleed and health

And we STILL won the fight because we managed to scamper off and periodically while we healed we’d spam clones from across the map

As soon as we came back they were both dead

We should have lost the fight but we still won because engaging game design

[north quiver]

they can’t sniff while envenomated so you could also quite literally starve them out if you have an expendable baby dilo

[minor field]

Like its honestly a good idea to just do a quick face tank as dilo against a cera or a carno since you can run off and laugh until they die

[minor field]

I love this playable so much

Every other playable has to put in a ton of effort to get their abilities working besides maybe deino meanwhile Dilo just bites you a few times and instantly wins the fight

[north quiver]

two of the most low effort playables imho:

dilo and deino

honestly, deino is still the most low effort playable among those two

[minor field]

Deino relies more on rng than anything else which still sucks but I honestly prefer deinos low effort one shot to dilos because at least it is instant

At least it’s just one button and I die

[north quiver]

dilos can make you genuinely suffer if they want your time to be wasted lmao

[minor field]

With dilo you have to sit and wait until it’s dumb mechanic kills you while knowing you can’t do a thing about it

[minor field]

At least it’s not legacy dilo

You can try against evrima dilo

Legacy dilo just sat there and “outskilled” you

[north quiver]

I can proudly say I only touched legacy for a whole 30 minutes then quit and never touched it again

[minor field]

You are lucky

The game can’t even be considered a game

It’s just a bizzare thing

[north quiver]

at least we have evirma now

[normal lotus]

@wet glade iirc that's the plan along with having island migration zones too

[wet glade]

so it confirmed? that it will get swamp ?

[normal lotus]

Possibly confirmed.

[wet glade]

ok i hope because it weird that that it doesn't has it already

[opaque inlet]

AGREED, and they took that away with the migration zone 8(

[opaque inlet]

Oh man, that's a good idea... Plus then they could get more from eating a kill too...

[opaque inlet]

Some of them could still be killing for fun.

I was playing ptera and watching some players, a herd of teno were getting harassed by few cera and raptors. They fended them off really well. Then a new cera walked up from across the river, walked right over - STEPPED ON - several raptor bodies he could have easily eaten or gotten nutrients from, and went straight to fight the teno.

I am pretty sure he was looking for a fight, not food. They defeated him and he ran away injured.

The raptor bodies were pretty far away from the teno by the way

As in, the teno were not in sight/couldn't see the cera nor could he see them, he was listening to their calls to find them

[opaque inlet]

But this is very true, I do this as well - kill for food security.

There are still some who kill for fun, they are the same ones who kill babies as pachy or kill other pachies as pachy. Or body-camp innocent players as stego. This kind of player is probably the kind that also kills for fun when they play carnivore.

[opaque inlet]

Yeah... I saw that one of his updates came at 3 am. 8( Poor guy, must be sleepy. Programming/coding can be a headache sometimes, especially ironing out bugs.

[frail merlin]

maybe its not for fun., maybe cos people sink hours into growing dinos they dont wanna risk anything getting a bite on them first

[opaque inlet]

This is true

You never know what a player's motives are

So, some may be defensive.

But I am sure, some are also for fun. I don't know for sure which are which.

But definitely, some kill for fun.

[weak parrot]

for me, it's less about the new bugs and more about how loads of these issues have been in the game for months. if we aren't satisfied with a game we paid money for then people have every right to complain and criticize, especially considering the dev team's track record on this kind of stuff

[hearty sphinx]

Pachys killing pachys is just stupid

[opaque inlet]

My pachy was killed by a pachy mixing with a teno once.

It's killing for fun, and taking advantage of my trust, is what it is.

I like, said hi to them and tried to group up and stuff

They acted nice while their teno friend caught up and THEN they rammed me.

Pretty darn sure that's 'killing for fun,' and pretty darn sure that these two players would play carnivore sometimes, and pretty darn sure that when they do they probably kill for fun too.

I was watching a twitch stream of someone playing raptor with some friends, and they killed other raptors for fun as well.

Didn't eat them, didn't feel threatened by them, just wanted to kill for fun.

I think there are a lot of players who do kill for fun.

To be fair, I kill for fun sometimes too, but it's situational.

I don't chase things that run away for fun, dunno why. I perfer a fight to a chase I guess.

Sometimes I pester something and stop when the creature is weak and sometimes I don't-

But I don't lie to people or fake being nice, I don't like lying.

If I 2-call something, I'm not killing it unless it starts it.

However, that's me.

[fair plover]

Players killing other players that's the same species as themself "except for dinos that has their own species on the diet" are real toxic players and should get warnings and hopefully bans for it. They just like to destroy for others.

[opaque inlet]

There's no rules or laws other players are made to go by

and they're allowed to do as they please on official servers

[opaque inlet]

I mean, some species are cannibals intentionally.

There are community servers that don't allow killing for fun

[fair plover]

Yes if they are cannibals and has the same species on the menu

[opaque inlet]

Pretty much just cera and deino I think

I do like like the lawness nature of official servers though. It makes for interesting stories. After the pachy-teno group killed my pachy, I switched to teno with the intention of fighting them when I gew up.

Then as a fresh spawn, I ran into an adult cera who had the same colors as me

[fair plover]

I might've expressed myself a bit wrong. What I meant was, if you don't have your own species on the diet, no such thing as interspecies killing should acour.

[opaque inlet]

And he 2-called me and stuff. I was waiting for him to 'turn on me' and eat me but he just followed me. I trusted him more after I saw him kill some other small creature but then leave me alone.

Kinda just guarded me while I ate plants. At first I tried to hide from him. Or her, I dunno.

Then as I began to trust them more, we actually ran into the very same pachy-teno duo

And they tried to kill me and he tried to fight them, he ended up dying to them and they retreated, wounded.

It was such an interesting day and I felt bad for him so I just, kinda sat next to his dead body, I dunno fun to roleplay as a baby who's sad for their adoptive parent I guess.

Some raptors came up to eat and didn't see me because I was the same color as the cera XD I 2-called them and it surprised them/they jumped up, then they 2 called me back and kept eating..

Then the pachy came out and started ramming them, and I decided to have a bit of fun and harass the pachy, and died to it in the end.

However, it was probably one of the most interesting 'isle' stories I've had.

None of it would be possible if officials didn't allow 'killing for fun' and the oh-so-dreaded mixpacking.

I think the cera wanted me to grow up and help him fight the pachy-teno but I am not sure

[north quiver]

little tenos are genuinely cute I don’t typically kill them unless I need to ensure I don’t starve or if I think they’re going to be a problem later

[opaque inlet]

True, I feel the same way about baby ceras.

My first life as a teno, early on when I had no idea what mix packing was or really much about the game at all, I adopted some baby ceras.

We never ran into any fights

It was North East spawn of Spiro

I just followed them around while they ate random dead things that I suppose starved out in the wilderness because they got too far away from the center

We never saw another creature.

Other than ourselves.

[north quiver]

I murk the hell out of any cera I see unless one is lucky and cute enough to be chosen for forceful adoption

[opaque inlet]

It was just me eating mangos (I did not understand the diet system XD) and them eating random dead guys

I think my first experiences with baby ceras caused me to forever find them cute

As a baby dryo I was once adopted by a pack of ceras, as well.

OH, my partner was playing Cera, in the fields south of center river. When he was a baby, some baby galli came up and started kicking him, but they were doing very little damage so he just... Stared at them.

I guess they felt bad for him or something but they changed their minds and 2 called him, and ran around and followed him as he ate dead stuff, and he followed them as they ate plants.

It wasn't until they all grew up and the gallis had a nest and babies that some raptors showed up, the gallis ran off and my friend fought the raptors and killed one and injured another who I think ran away, there was only 2 of them.

One of the baby galli from the nest died, and went cera to talk to him. Said he didn't know how his baby galli died but apparently the Galli family had named him 'Barb'

Which I thought was a hilariously suitable name for a cera.

I have mixed feelings about mix-packing. I really like these little stories that happen when players adopt each other.

I understand that combat-wise mixpack groups are way too strong though.

I think, if it 'happens naturally' and you're not in a discord call, and you play very passively and don't pick fights (which may be lethal for your carnivore friend and not especially ideal) I feel like it should be okay, but when people are in a discord call and intentionally pick things that go well together with the intention of abusing a certain combo (pachy + cera), it's not very nice or good.

But that's just my opinio

opinion*

The 'stories' that happen in the isle are actually kinda what I play the game for.

[opaque inlet]

@shell timber

That is a fine place to post this.

That artist is on DA and their comics are the reason I got this game when I saw it on sale.

It's how I knew about it and it made me curious, because I'm not a huge fan of dinosaur. I mean, I still like them, I'm just not a dinosaur nerd. I am however, an exant-animal nerd, so I still like dinosaurs because they are animals, they're just extinct ones.

[hidden mist]

What's the new update about? Another tweaks for server crashes only, or smth interesting?

[desert arch]

Dunno yet, we just got another. Filipe is in isle discussion rn, maybe he'll tell us the details

[normal lotus]

I believe it may be a fix to the crashes

[desert arch]

Hopefully

[wild dagger]

i spawn in a tree on EU 5 as Ptera

[worldly marsh]

Did they fix ai spawn yet?

I don’t wanna log in till it’s done

[desert arch]

Seems good to me, seens lots of them around

[sullen hare]

Idk no fish in the in all swamp checked for 30 min

[desert arch]

south plains is filled with ai for me

[sullen hare]

Yesterday there was plenty of fish

At swamp today I didnt saw one

[hollow jewel]

where the fish at?

[worldly marsh]

NIce good to know

Thank you sir

[desert arch]

np^^

[cosmic frigate]

can someone tell me if the tailslamming STEGOs killing a latched troodon is intended, or am i missing something?

[prisma galleon]

Do you mean when they buck?

[leaden prism]

Right, if you have to. But on spiro people would purposefully go out of their way to meet at an area to 1v1 food full and all. Because they're bored. That's not survival.

[hearty sphinx]

The game has no rules. People will play how they want to play.

[leaden prism]

Right but the developers intentions are to not promote fight club in one spot.

Because that's not survival anymore if that's becoming commonplace lol.

And just to note. The question was how was spiro compared to gateway and why some people liked it. Because they wanted fight simulator when the devs are really trying to make survival simulator. Because peope meet in a select spot on spiro to fight as opposed to feeling scared and needing to survive, hide, and fight when they need to rather than when they "want". Which is indeed a goal of a survival game. So yeah, they'll play how they want, but that was why people liked spiro lol.

[hearty sphinx]

And that is why ppl are stopping playing the game, because they can't play how they want. A good game has variety and pleases everyone

[leaden prism]

They didn't stop playing tho

And a good game is subjective, you can still fight out of your way but if you're dying from it, don't complain knowing that's not optimal to survive lmao

Most of the people who stopped playing was because of bugs and etc development too lol

What is your deal homie?

[hearty sphinx]

Yes they are. I've seen and read a lot of ppl have stopped playing.
But if its a good all round game then everyone will enjoy it. And what you said after that doesn't make sense.
Yes bugs is another reason

[leaden prism]

That doesn't mean they're telling the truth. Some folks are still playing even though they said they're not lol. What I said earlier was in response to a question about spiro vs gateway and the intentions of the game's purpose. You don't want to drive backward in a racing game for example. You can, butnit's not beneficial. Same with fight club spiro vs survival gateway. You don't want to go towards danger in a survival game unless you need food, this was not the case before. The games are making a horror survival game, you CAN go towards where the death is happening but it's not an optimal idea now. As opposed to before where it didn't matter.

[hearty sphinx]

Well I hope you enjoy the new isle. I won't, I preferred spiro. And my opinion won't change and my opinion won't matter anyway. Goodnight

[leaden prism]

That's fine. I liked both. I think the new direction is more toward what the devs want the game to be.

[dusky shard]

Honestly I just want them to tweak some of the things to help out some Herbies a little more, the Migration system is nice though coupled with how it initially was.. Not many people that I've seen have been playing Herbivores at all. I've not tried all the herbies recently though noticed Patchy is surprisingly easy to play with how systems are

[shy python]

@prisma galleon have you considered Deino aren't meant to be in a little pond? 🤣

[still sapphire]

They fix one thing break another.....now no fish spawn.....I am at my wits end with these updates......

[normal lotus]

Lad this has happened for years

It happens with every game

[still sapphire]

no it does not

not to this degree

[normal lotus]

Fair enough

At this point I've accepted the fact that there's gonna be issues

[storm hill]

Have fish been removed from the game?

[normal lotus]

No, just there's an issue with them spawning

[faint folio]

There's definitely something missing though. People are playing fight simulator because the way the mechanics work, survival simulator is not rewarding enough (actually it's kind of boring... Find food, fill up, afk in bush for an hour, rinse and repeat until adult. Then... Well, find food, fill up, and either fight or wander aimlessly until you need to eat again.) In comparison to something like Don't Starve or Green Hell where there's ALWAYS something to do that benefits survival

[leaden prism]

This is true, but the game's also no where near completion so it doesn't have any goals yet. So naturally, everyone just wants to not be bored and fight, in a time when devs are trying to fine tune the survival aspect.

[faint folio]

That's fair, although I don't think adding goals (I assume by this you mean perks/elders) will solve the problem completely. People are left with too much down time

[leaden prism]

I mean goal as in, what's end game? What's the point of surviving? What do you achieve by wanting to live? Because rn, it's just to see your bby grow and fight someone

you're fully grown and have food/water sustaining you? Good.... now what?

[normal lotus]

With perks and elder it's to get to an old age and start all over again but better.

[north quiver]

that’s the main point of the niche survival games. grow, eat, kill, and defend. of course you could add some more stuff such as elders (which fits in with the grow category) and mutations, but that’s going to be the main point of surviving as a dinosaur

that simplicity is what attracted me to the game

merciless survival

[leaden prism]

That's good but I still don't have a reason to want to get better?

[normal lotus]

It allows you to be better at surviving.

[leaden prism]

right but that's it, why am I surviving

[normal lotus]

Because that's the aim of the game.

[leaden prism]

Like in a battle royal, surviving leads to a winner take all thing, and some games it means you escape an island or move to a new location, or you get to experience something that makes the game have another layer to it

If I'm just growing for the sake of growth, that's nothing to do but what we're already doing

we need a reason to want to grow other thann just to get big and be more dominant

[normal lotus]

There are other things like hyperendocrins.

Or the other strains.

[north quiver]

or you could just play humans and do their tasks around the island

[normal lotus]

The humans are more goal based. Dinosaurs are survival for the sake of it.

[north quiver]

honestly why I love playing a dinosaur

[leaden prism]

mechanically speaking though, that tells me nothing atm

[north quiver]

there’s also cannibals

[leaden prism]

you can tell me there's unicorns but I'm still going to go "k" until I know why I wanna be one or what benefit there is or what it takes to be one

[normal lotus]

I see, well dinosaurs mostly are just survival for survival's sake. Not necessarily having a set goal. Think how BoB and PoT have their dinosaurs.

[leaden prism]

Never played em :')

[north quiver]

PoT quests

[leaden prism]

but if you tell me that every growth you develop a new gene based on diet and you mutate new ways, then that's something I see as a goal, but that still doesn't really fill in the time while growing

because like you said, hiding in a bush after getting what you need isn't engaging enough and tells us there's more than enough to go around to do this

[north quiver]

explore, make a labyrinth if you’re a small burrowing dino

[leaden prism]

we can't do that tho atm

also you don't have to reply to each of these lol

[north quiver]

positive human interactions with dinos would also be a good interesting incentive to not constantly hide in a bush

[leaden prism]

getting a lot of pings when I have no more a point to make lol

[north quiver]

lol mb

[north quiver]

but you will be able to eventually

[leaden prism]

but yeah I agree

And yes, eventually, so that's the state of our game until we get that was my point :P

[faint folio]

So I like perks, and I like elders and the hypers and such. But... There's not enough to do in the meantime. It's great that after I progress to elder it'll unlock the next power level via perks or hypers, but if it takes 3 hours to grow and I spend half that time sitting in a bush doing nothing, and then it takes 20 hours to elder and again I spend a 3rd of my time waiting doing nothing... It's not engaging enough to be worth it, you know what I mean?

Whereas I could play something like green hell or don't starve where the game asks you to do things CONSTANTLY (and makes you balance different priorities)

[normal lotus]

Yea I get it, but mutations are earned from doing mundane things last I heard, not to mention a lot of dinosaurs will eventually have maintenance ideas.

[faint folio]

I hope so, because honestly that's the part that's missing for me. The game doesn't keep asking you questions that you have to solve, so I get bored after a while. Combat, for better or worse, is the one question the game poses which you can get it to ask on-demand

[opaque inlet]

Don't Starve also has us get 'more power' as you build, craft, cook, ect, and then you fight bosses.

In the Isle, power is gained by growing, growing is gained by time-spent-alive, it's easier to be alive if you afk in a bush.

I think the fact that afk-in-a-bush is so effective at staying alive is really bad for the entertainment of the game.

[leaden prism]

tfw you see a broken legged carno and the dilo is just not doinig anything about it even thought hey clearly could finish it. WE'RE DINOSAURS, WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS =.=

[hidden mist]

Ohh, I would love to be able to somehow “pet” a dino or treat it with meat lol x) Idk anything about devs’ vision on humans’ gameplay, but I just thought about the idea of “imposter” missions lol, where your goal is to actually help dinosaurs rather than kill them

[prisma galleon]

Have you ever considered the fact that that's not what I said, or are you just that dumb

[limber hull]

@ocean trail dibble is smaller than tenonto lol, how is it going to have an even matchup with something 1 ton larger than a carno

[ocean trail]

oh is it?

[limber hull]

1500kg dibble

[ocean trail]

In legacy dibble/allo were pretty even

[limber hull]

in legacy many animals got unnecessary size increases because 95% of the balancing was weight-based

[ocean trail]

yeah thats where i pulled my idea of dibble strength from

[limber hull]

it's why cerato is now smaller than carno when in legacy it was almost allo sized

because realistically, cera is not that big

[ocean trail]

also stego needs something to fight it

[limber hull]

it has tons of things to fight it

i'd be more concerned about allo being unkillable than stego

omnis, troodons, dilos, tenos, ceras, deinos, all can fight stego (given they have reasonable levels of skill and numbers)

[ocean trail]

What makes you think allo will be unkillable?

[limber hull]

our current roster physically cannot handle it

[ocean trail]

and what do you think WOULD be able to handle allo

[limber hull]

it's fast enough to keep up with many of our current creatures without any creature large enough to regulate it or keep it on its toes

stego doesn't count because if you get ambushed by a stego, that's just a hilarious skill issue

[ocean trail]

Stego is more of a "approach if deathwish" creature without an extremely high numbers advantage

[limber hull]

yea, except even then it's kinda pathetic for its size, which is why it's getting an entire kit overhaul with rex's release coming so soon

[ocean trail]

Rex/trike in that context are way too early

imo

[rare fractal]

It’s kinda funny how awful stego would be currently into rex

Like it’d just fall over

[ocean trail]

Rex will either eat everything or starve depending on how fast it is

[latent olive]

albertosaurus and any other predator its size or larger

which leads to the problem of invasive species

[limber hull]

alberto is really the only creature properly built as allo's true rival

[rare fractal]

Could also just kill steal everything

[limber hull]

if stegos can do it, rexes can do it 3x better

[ocean trail]

Stego kill stealing is just stupid

[limber hull]

it's a non-issue tbh

[ocean trail]

but thats more so of a malicious use by players than a problem with stego

[limber hull]

i'd be just as annoyed if a rex stole my kill as by a stego

[ocean trail]

rex has justification though

[limber hull]

main issue is stegos just get really bored because their animal sucks

[ocean trail]

stego has no justification to kill steal

so it's purely out of spite

[limber hull]

stego also has justification
no food = no sustain for predator = predator leaves/dies

it's more an issue with stego not having anything to do because the animal sucks to play

[rare fractal]

It totally does

Deprive your predators of a stable food rotation cycle and they become less numerous

[latent olive]

arboreal stego gameplay

[limber hull]

when dryosaurus has a more engaging combat than stegosaurus, it's pretty telling that the animal sucks

[rare fractal]

Nothing lacks a justification to deny other creatures food

[pale brook]

we want the game to promote realistic animal behavior while being fun and immersive. There's definitely a balance to be had, but this wouldn't be normal behavior for a large herbivore like a stego, imo.

[ocean trail]

i agree

[limber hull]

hippos do stuff like this all the time, and that's a large herbivore

hell hippos don't even need to be justified they just do it

[rare fractal]

Hippos, Buffalo, Moose, elephants, etc

[pale brook]

hippos are extremely territorial, they arent trying to steal food.

[rare fractal]

So is stego

[limber hull]

^

you killed something in stego's territory

[rare fractal]

Stego is a purely defense oriented animal it has to be territorial

[limber hull]

now it's making it a you-problem

[rare fractal]

Also there’s no world in which we can reach a point where player controlled animals act like actual animals when the game isn’t designed to promote a realistic ecosystem

Which the isle isn’t

[pale brook]

thats a fair point. it would also be very easy to abuse. i dont think corpse guarding in herbivores should be promoted in this game.

[rare fractal]

I feel like the humans and psychic alien Dinos would be the tell there

[limber hull]

it isn't promoted

there's nothing that promotes corpse guarding

[rare fractal]

It’s actually preferable that herbivores corpse guard

Because if carnivores did it more, nobody would ever eat

[ocean trail]

Cera chuffing

[rare fractal]

Because the bigger carnivores actually eat the bodies

[pale brook]

there is a balance between immersion/realism and fun, but this is ultimately a dinosaur survival game, and one shouldnt be sacrificed for the other.

[limber hull]

you're not eating, you're not gaining nutrients, you're wasting time, its actively bad that you do it, people only do it because
A: They want predators gone
B: They want predators dead

[ocean trail]

or C: spite

[limber hull]

It's amusing that cerato is a creature built around corpse guarding and people still play it as a hunter then get baffled when it's not doing so well

[limber hull]

which is just a more negative way to say A or B

[opaque inlet]

That depends on how smart the herbivore is. In a documentary, a hippo killed another hippo, but he wouldn't let the crocodiles or lions eat any of it!

[ocean trail]

Generally a stego doesn't care what lives or dies because nothing can seriously threaten it. but they'll go out of the way to kill something that isn't bothering it or has no intention too

[pale brook]

Its important for this game to balance such that the human player's motivations are as closely aligned with the animal's realistic motivations, without sacrificing an enjoyable experience.

[rare fractal]

It constantly is tho, like not a single animal in game is realistic atm, aside from almost deino but it’s still significantly underpowered compared to what it would be realistically. This isn’t a game angling realism at the expense of fun or vise versa, it’s angling scifi primarily

[ocean trail]

because stego came too early and is boring af as a result

[opaque inlet]

But stego does have a tiny head, who knows how smart he is

[rare fractal]

You can’t do that unless the players are actually as dumb as a real stegosaurus, and none of these animals are related to their namesake animals anyway it’s a moot point

[limber hull]

stego only serves one purpose, and it's the most noble purpose of any creature, which is keeping deinos where they goddamn belong, in the water

[pale brook]

im not talking about scifi. The idea of immersion vs fun does not depend on genre.

[ocean trail]

if thats a serious problem deino thirst should drain more out of water

[limber hull]

doesn't matter, deino is just literally the worst the moment it goes unregulated

[rare fractal]

Yes it does, the genre is being noted because it influences the origin of the creatures and what they actually are, these are not dinosaurs they are creatures designed to resemble dinosaurs

[latent olive]

fragile ecosystem

[rare fractal]

And they are not related to their namesake creatures

They’re not clones

[ocean trail]

it's unregulated because players aren't cannibalizing and vigilante groups form to kill cannis

[rare fractal]

Cannibalism promotes overpopulation

[ocean trail]

they are designed to self regulate

[limber hull]

cannibalism is a terrible way to regulate populations regardless, it promotes overpopulation

[latent olive]

spiro

[rare fractal]

It’s self sustaining

[pale brook]

It depends on what direction you want to promote for this game. If the devs didnt care about realism theres a lot of choices they wouldnt have made that they did

[ocean trail]

it's not self sustaining with an active group of say 3-4 cannibals reduce the lake to silence

[rare fractal]

And then the deinos respawn

Because they don’t need to hunt anything but other deinos

[rare fractal]

Not a single PvP oriented creature has an ability grounded in physics

[pale brook]

I think cannibalism is an okay idea for this game as far as immersion, but i do wonder if its better from a gameplay perspective to leave it out. I'm not sure

[rare fractal]

Teno, Pachy, Omni, Troodon, Deino, even stego to some extent, dilo, etc

[ocean trail]

I'm perfectily fine with the top dog carnivores doing cannibalism

[rare fractal]

Why it just makes them more numerous, remove their primary food source and their pop dwindles, deino is deinos primary food source

[limber hull]

hypothetical point that proves that enabling apex cannibalism only promotes people to play tons and tons of apex carnivore

creature A is a massive apex-sized creature that is a cannibal
creature B is a massive apex-sized creature that isn't

creature A, when put into a server with 50+ other people playing its own kind, flourishes. It has easy access to food because when push comes to shove, they can eat one of its already overpopulated kind and keep having more and more of creature A

creature B, when put into a server with 50+ other people playing its own kind, suffers. Because it cannot obtain nutrition from anything but the animals NOT playing creature B, it struggles with malnutrition/starvation and inevitably dies, massively decreasing their populations

[latent olive]

im not

one rex kills another rex

that rex corpse can now feed 4 to 5 juvenile rexes for a lifetime

[limber hull]

^

[ocean trail]

So what if the body itself gives no diet

but organs still do

[rare fractal]

It has to also lack food

[limber hull]

then i eat the colossal organs and gain still perfect nutrition

[latent olive]

thats what i want

[rare fractal]

It needs to debuff

[latent olive]

wait hang on

[rare fractal]

Like sustainability and nutrition are not the same

Sustaining apexes off of cannibalism is the issue not giving them ideal meta diets

[latent olive]

no sorry, what i want for cannibalism is no downsides to eating your own kind with no nutrition at all

you can eat your own kind but you wont gain anything out of it

[ocean trail]

The thing with organs is that they rot way faster pulled out than the body does, and would generally give less food overall.

[rare fractal]

I only want cannibalism debuffs for apexes

[ocean trail]

Thus they wont be able to sustain those said 5 juvis

[rare fractal]

Because they need to be incapable of self sustaining

[ocean trail]

Yes, which is why the body meat itself gives nothing

[rare fractal]

Just eat the organs first

Then eat the meat for food

That’s how everyone does it in game currently

Start with the organs for buffs then farm the corpse until it rots

[ocean trail]

So we have identified a second problem

What if cannibalized organs give little diets, (but still a small amount) and the body itself gives the debuff

[rare fractal]

Or just no nutrients regardless

[ocean trail]

This means that an adult cannibalizing subs/juvis does very little

[rare fractal]

Just food

[ocean trail]

and adults get less from other adults

than they would from other species

[rare fractal]

Or none

Why do they need to get even small amounts

[limber hull]

like i feel like we're overcomplicating things

i personally think the only apex that should possibly even be considered a cannibal should be rex. Spino can eat fish, giga... just shouldn't

[rare fractal]

Sure sure

[ocean trail]

rexes are thought to have cannibalized anyway but it was mostly a corpse theif

[limber hull]

that's not at all true

[rare fractal]

Nor would it matter

[limber hull]

scavenger rex was a bogus study done by someone who hated the animal

[rare fractal]

Dilo wasn’t venomous for example

Troodon didn’t exist

Teno wasn’t a spinal galdiator

[latent olive]

thats so me

[limber hull]

rex stole bodies, sure, but no more than a bear steals from wolves

rex itself was still an insanely powerful hunter and primarily spent its time hunting prey, not stealing it

[ocean trail]

in that case

mostly eating large herbivores?

because i doubt that thing would be fast enough to kill smaller creatures

[rare fractal]

They would’ve had to they were the only regional large hypercarnivore

[rare fractal]

As sub adults and juveniles nothing would be able to escape them but at their adult size it’d be harder

Still not slow animals by any means

[ocean trail]

i dont think adult rexes should be able to catch smaller creatures

anyway back to the topic of cannibalism

it does give too much food

especially in deino's case

without said cannibalism though i doubt it'd be relevant at all

atleast with the existence of safe drinking spots

[rare fractal]

Nah they still have fish

and they'd still cannibalize without nutrition

[ocean trail]

So removing cannibalism would do nothing

[rare fractal]

It would make their growth harder

But removing cannibalize properly would have to come with cannibalism being unsustainable

[ocean trail]

i'd like to see canibalism worked in such a way where it's helpful in a pinch but is as you say unsustainable in the long run

[rare fractal]

Like removing or adjusting food intake

I want cannibalism to be the salt water of food

[ocean trail]

what does salt water even do

i never drank any

[rare fractal]

Makes your water drain faster temporarily

But still gives water

[young veldt]

The hell is going on here

[ocean trail]

so similar to this description then

[rare fractal]

Similar

[ocean trail]

Cannibalism is a last resort purely to keep you from starving but it's a temporary solution

[rare fractal]

That’d be better than what it is now

Which is functionally nothing but lacking dietary intake

[ocean trail]

so cannibalism should give less food to same species

[rare fractal]

Yes

[ocean trail]

maybe like, half of what it does now?

[rare fractal]

I wouldn’t be able to give it a value

Testing would have to occur for that

[ocean trail]

yeah but i think half would be a good starting point

[rare fractal]

Sure sure

Could also be other solutions to this but it’s a start

[opaque inlet]

While realistically I could see rex being a cannibal, if we make it a cannibal in the game then it will become possible for everyone to go rex and just eat each other, the way deino currently do as well.

[old spindle]

At the same time if all rexes are cannibals it makes it harder to survive as a baby because adults may just kill you straight up helping population control

Deino isn't the only thing played right now by a large margin

[opaque inlet]

Indeed, but the fact that there are so many in spite of cannibalism infers that cannibalism does not control population.

In real life animals, new animals come when they are born, by members of the own species. If the species goes extinct, no more can 'spawn in.' Therefore, killing them hurts their population.

In this video game, new animals come when players pick them, regardless of whether or not there was already some there. There is always 100 (or less than 100) players on the server. They may die no matter what they pick, but they like to pick what dies the least and what has the most fun. When I asked some deino players 'why do you play deino,' I got two answers from two different people.

One answered 'because it's op'
and the other answered 'because it doesn't die.'

Of course, Deino DOES die, to other deino. But if a deino stays in the water and intentionally runs away from fights (something it hardly even needs to do) then only another deino can kill it.
Deinos see a lot of cannibalism, but I've had stegos kill my stego, pachies kill my pachy, dilos kill my dilo, ceras kill my cera, a herra kill my herra... So on so forth.

But some people think it is FUN to cannibalize, and THAT is what decides the population of an animal on the isle. If the creature dies, it doesn't hurt the population if the player picks 'deino' again on the list.
If the player wants to be a cannibal deino, they'll probably keep picking deino.

Oops pressed enter too early.

[opaque inlet]

The big paragrah above was supposed to be a reply

[old spindle]

It prevents that player from being an adult deino

[opaque inlet]

Basically what I'm saying is, cannibalism controls population in real life - But not in a video game, where population is controlled by 'fun'

It stops many from being adult deino, and feeds the adult deino

That are there. Baby deino give a lot of food, they weigh a lot

But more importantly, if I am a carno, or a raptor, it's very very hard for me to hunt baby deino.

I have to wait for it to make the mistake of coming into land

And if I'm not a heavy-hitter like carno, then I may not be able to do enough damage before it slips away into the water because of how tanky they are.

[old spindle]

True was about to say baby deino would have no predators otherwise

[opaque inlet]

So when the server is mostly deino, only deino can hunt them.

And that means, if you play deino, you can stay safe by A. Playing with friends B. Being cautious, afk grow on fish in a lonely place and stay away from strangers and then C, you and your friends gang up on and get the first-bite on any suspect cannibals.

Because you are both the same species, it's a 'fair fight' and 'who wins' is determined by, how many friends you have, who got the first bite, and whether or not you're an adult or they are an adult.

But if I am a carno, and a stego is camping my food, that is not a fair fight.

Or if I am a raptor, and a carno is trying to eat me, that is not a fair fight.

Basically, if say, 70% of the server is somehow deino, and if I want to hunt them, I need to go deino or rely on them being dumb enough to stay on land. Probably have a better shot if I go deino.

And I can sustain off of that because deinos are cannibals.

Meanwhile, if 70% of the server was deino, and deinos are NOT cannibals, all those deinos can kill each other night and day but they won't get nutrients for it!

And it will make it 'less fun' to be deino when there's 'too many'

Currently, because the only way to hunt deino is to be deino, the more deino there are 'the more fun deino is' because then you can finally fight the 70 people who you couldn't fight as a carno. (As a carno you could only be drowned by them)

And since it's hard to get a dead stego as a deino, and since the other playables are so small and give so little food and so little diet, you either need a lot of non-deinos to eat or... One deino kill.

If everyone is deino, it's easier to get the kill on a younger deino.

But if deino were not cannibals, you'd be FORCED to get the kills on non-deinos, and if everyone is deino there simply would not be enough non-deinos, and it would get frustrating, and maybe you'd switch to something else to actually have diets and grow.

This same logic applies to rexes I think, except rexes can't hide in the water so it's not as bad to have so many rexes, but will probably be bad still if they can cannibalize. I'm sure they'll kill each other with or without need of nutrients.

On that note. Is there anything that will threaten rex? I heard that in Legacy Giga was a danger to it

Aside of starvation

Since, if it can eat it's own kind, then I think it will be cannibalism, not starvation, that kills them

[marble remnant]

You are loosing players due to the inactivity around the current problems. I bought the game 6 days ago, was able to play for 3 days with no problems and loved it, then bought the game for a friend and ever since 3 days ago the game is unplayable for all different reasons, first the constant crashing, now the AI problems and hourly crashes. Please do something as my friend for example who was hyped up is now nearly done with the game due to nothing happening, no rollback, no communication, nothing and I am starting to feel the same.

[opaque inlet]

They've actually been working on it, and making an update once or twice a day trying to fix it

Unfortunately if they knew what the problem is I am sure they would have fixed it already, the issue is that they don't know what the problem/glitch is and are trying to figure it out. It's like a puzzle or a mind game.

It can only be fixed as fast as their minds can solve it.

[marble remnant]

Roll the game back before the breaking and test on QA server, its not that hard ANY other dev team would have done that

[opaque inlet]

This is a testing branch for the game. They are testing it right now. Unfortunately, the only non-test version of The Isle that we have is Legacy.

This is unfortunate, it would be nice if they gave us a non-test branch version of evrima. I am not exactly sure why we don't have that.

[marble remnant]

Majority is evrima lets be honest its a lazy excuse for barely something called a "hotfix" a day

[hazy vault]

i think it could be motivated by seeking a larger volume of feedback. That said i think the feedback would be much easier to parce from a smaller audience who are specifically testing and have a qna server feedback channel or something of that ilk

[shy python]

Don't cry hahahaha I was just telling you why it's meant to be HARD for a Deino to travel like you want it to. If you stay near water you won't die of dehydration! 😄

[olive hollow]

soo turtles and crabs are still not spawning for me... anyone else?

[prisma galleon]

Not crying, another player requested the same puddle idea I had and there was no judgement from you to him. Never did I say it should be able to live in a puddle, I just suggested small puddles that players can drink out of. And then you proved the second part of my previous statement

[shy python]

I completely agree with the puddle part mate it 😄 sounds like you were crynig about Deino dehydration

"Either improved dehydration/hydration rate for deinosuchus"

you wrote an entire paragraph complaining about dying and then said improve dehydration for deino" lmfao 🤣 think you might be the silly one friend

I like the puddle idea it's v nice

beasts of bermuda does that with all drinking sources which is very cool

re-read what you wrote bud

[prisma galleon]

Dude step out of the water for 5 seconds and your hydration goes down, that's ridiculous. Crocs literally live in all parts of the world and they didn't walk that entire distance with pangea. Asking for a slight decrease to the dehydration rate isn't that crazy of an ask

Limits an entire species to two parts of the map

Plus Crocs already suck on land so it's not too much of a buff either

[shy python]

only 24% of your message was a suggestion the other 76% was just crying about the deaths 🤣

I know it's bad it's so hard to run around as Deino but for this game I don't think it's intended for there to be a Deinosuchus in every pond even the ones they can't even see while inside. When large predators like Spino and Rex or even large Herbis are in this game a Deino won't want to get caught out of the water regardless or in a small pond

[prisma galleon]

👍

[shy python]

[prisma galleon]

Literally proved my point thanks

[shy python]

Sure buddy glad to have this chat ❤️

[prisma galleon]

Same, you did the explaining for me ✨

Was an easy conversation

[shy python]

No worries bud I saw you needed the help 😜

@iron bloom Yeah that's a huge issue rn on their client it probably looks like they got us good but on ours we are a mile away

Laggy servers 😦

[prisma galleon]

Tldr, he agreed angrily

[leaden prism]

crocs are kinda OP tbh, so if they're allowed more on land, they'd need a hit to something

[north quiver]

they’d be a lot more manageable on land if their alt bite had spiro stam costs and they weren’t able to alt bite when out of stam

still pretty powerful but then at least you could punish them for waddling themselves too far onto land

[leaden prism]

^

[lyric pollen]

@azure ruin #general-feedback message chatgpt?

[agile roost]

yeah looks like chatgpt

[shy python]

no lol

[thorn pulsar]

Explain how to fix" EasyAntiCheat not installed" although i have it installed

[wise lagoon]

@silent silo I think u're playing with a night vision on.

[normal lotus]

@ember anvil mutations are good, I don't necessarily like birth defects. It's basically RNG unless they're purely cosmetic

[ember anvil]

i meant it like cosmetic. would be cool to see some differences is dinos. jaw is just an example, there also could be bigger spikes, teeth or just wonky tail

[normal lotus]

Hm true that'd be neat.

[viral hare]

someone else here who doesnt like the migration System. I couldnt play much without but it feels boring atm as a herbi u cant decide where to go its always u go there

[normal lotus]

@subtle frigate iirc that is a later idea, as well as there are a planned total of 10-15 sanctuaries

[subtle frigate]

hopefully we get them soon because rn if you choose the wrong spawn you have to either run to a sanctuary and then be almost too grown for it by the time you get there or go to the migration zone where you cant get nutrients lol

[normal lotus]

@proper badge Dawg just yesterday punch manually banned around 100 hackers.

Also they're actively looking for a solution for the situation

[proper badge]

manually is the conext, because eac do nothing

every depp will find a manual on bypass eac in couple of minutes on youtube.

[normal lotus]

#isle-discussion message

Here's a link to what I mean

[desert arch]

Diet plants can spawn outside of migration zones in the biome its listed in, just sparesly.

For example pachy can eat the fireweed at highlands even though it doesnt have any migration zones there.

So you can still travel wherever you want, but only solo

[viral hare]

can I go like north east as a stego and find something there?

like and Im getting a diet?

[desert arch]

Ive not played steho for like 2 months so dunno

But ive managed to live outside of zones as pachy, dryo and teno

With diets

[viral hare]

yeah I mean live is always possible

ah ok

but I mean ... when migration is swamps for example and im in highlands as a stego I never found anything

[viral hare]

u sure u werent in the migration that ran out before?

[desert arch]

Dont think so

But even if I was I still lived outside of my zone, couldve been other species unused zones but ehh🤷‍♂️

Still traveled freely

[devout ivy]

Schooling fish turned off? water acces till the whole river delta had 0 schooling fish, seen about 30 deers tho

[viral hare]

Im seeing deers all over the place too

like 5 on the same spot

[proper badge]

hwo to kill a deer as baby ptera?

[devout ivy]

impossible XD

[proper badge]

oh nice, a sit infront of a big lake of nothing and starving ... nice gameplay

[desert arch]

Try scouting the beach for turtles and crabs

Or scavenge

[proper badge]

never seen a turtle or crap since 19.12

also the rubberbanding is awful

[vernal agate]

yesterday it was goats, i was a pack of 3 carnos and i saw 6 goats all clumped up in one little spot

[proper badge]

same with boars... but if u a juvi herrera beipi or ptera und cant find anything to eat.

[vernal agate]

i havent had AI spawn near me since yesterday

[sullen sentinel]

Guys why do the devs hate the Omni

[glass canyon]

But 0,0000 fish in lakes or rivers

[proud coral]

Less that they hate them and more that pounce as a mechanic has been said to be the most frustrating thing to work with. It's a very finicky ability <:/

[desert arch]

Played omni yesterday and tbh its not as bad as people make it out to be.

[viral hare]

Diet and Migration changes
These changes are to make the diet system less of a chore and further player enjoyment over the game. This is also here to help keep migrations functional without ruining the balance they have so far

Diets

. Diet intake rework here: ⁠general-feedback⁠

.carnivore’s can gain nutrients from any playable. Every playable will have a set nutrient assigned to them however organs remain the same and still give more nutrient over regular meat

.organs on the compas now show which nutrient they are rather than meat chunk symbol. The meat chunk symbol is provided as the rotten meat chunk symbol now

. Carnivore diet lists are reworked into a seperate tab to let players know what Dino’s give what nutrient. (Helps declutter character screen)

. Herbivores still have diet lists in the tab but can find food in respective biomes

.herbivore food will now spawn naturally in the overworld in respective biomes.

.at 90% and above diets will drain FAR SLOWER than food to encourage consumption of food to keep yourself fed rather than purely nutrients. Allows for better management while keeping you moving for food

. Sanctuaries provide Bee Honey OR small critters juvie carnivores can hunt for all 3 diets

Migrations

.migration zone food will be vastly more abundant than the overworld for herbivores and because all 3 can be found and creates a good area to nest

. Migration time cut down to an hour to not have players get bored there for too long

. Zones now have 6-10 possible spawn points for each herbivore to not get repetitive. Zones will overlap often to make sure a few species can be found in each zone

. There is always a water source in a MZ to ensure you don’t have to walk away just to come back again

.Carnivores can smell all active migration zones and when a zone changes you get redirected to the next closest zone instead of waiting 15 min

I really want this so bad

someone know if its true? 😄

[icy lion]

That is a suggestion

[viral hare]

😦

[icy lion]

#general-feedback is for sharing feedback and suggestions

[viral hare]

it would be amazing changes ... playing herbis is such a pain atm imo 😦

[normal lotus]

@restive zephyr I believe it's a bug

[jolly vigil]

any particular reason why we rubberband ?

[viral hare]

didnt hear why yet

what do you guys think about this

#general-feedback message

[normal lotus]

I would say yea, but the diets give limited amounts. Meaning you CAN use them, but they're better for staving diet loss. Exclusion of perhaps some generalists that can go anywhere

This gives migrations a form of importance like how they're supposed to be. But theoretically you don't have to go to them.

[viral hare]

So you say like u can go migrate get diet and use the diet outside to not lose it but its hard to fill from 0 with it?

would be fine imo

[viral hare]

this is what I am aiming for

[normal lotus]

Think of this example:

A gallimimus is at a migration zone, and it gets its fill. The zone changes and it's quite far. Normally you'd just have to make your way over and risk losing important diets. However, with this the dietary need is supplemented with them.

While for instance a psittacosaurus, or other small generalist. Can feed off of these out of zone plants and eat them like any other diet plant. @viral hare

[viral hare]

psitticosaurus?

[normal lotus]

Psittacosaurus, a small, basal ceratopsian that's coming to the isle.

Aka what's on my pfp

Here's a full picture

[hollow jewel]

can we get fish back plz

[viral hare]

I see it mire like this:

you are a stego but u wanna see different parts of the map. So u leave Migration. U should be able to find diet on several other parts of the map but u need to travel much for this and you wont be able to get the perfect diet ...

maybe u can say u only find // inside migration or sth

so the other two you can find in several spots but not so much and not too close together

so u can decide:

u wanna nest or get good diet? -> Migration

u wanna do some pvp -> move to a place like ne plains but u dont have to graze and u can get diet but only idk triple dots or sth

u wanna roam whole map?

u will find some S and some dots on the way

@normal lotus

[normal lotus]

True, or this could be remedied by having two migrations zones active at a time.

[viral hare]

I could live with this too ...

but than you would need more than 4 or 5 different migration zones for stego for example ...

its so frustrating that u will never migrate in the east as a stego and theres all the action

[normal lotus]

I mean kind of? Stegos diet can also include regions on the western portion of the map

[viral hare]

what do u mean?

[normal lotus]

They have grasslands on their diet correct?

[viral hare]

yes im still wondering too ... but try it ... I have around 75 hours of stego gameplay in my bag ... all migrations I witnessed were (the ones in [] were kinda buggy):

Highlands J
Highlands Lake
Swamp
Jungle I
[Jungle near water access]
[near riverdelta]

the last two were on december 20th and I never witnessed them since ...

is there any wiki or something wheres a list of all possible migrations

[normal lotus]

Hm, well there are grasslands on the western section of evrima. So perhaps it would be possible

[viral hare]

but I wanna have migrations in the east 😄

[desert arch]

Once the server is full and ppl try to join but fail it puts pressure on the server, thus it lags

[jolly vigil]

what about nonfull servers lol

rubberbanding in 70/100

[desert arch]

Never happened to me. So dunno 🤷‍♂️

[jolly vigil]

lmao

[normal lotus]

It could have all of it

[viral hare]

then why doesnt it happen? 😄

[normal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-away-im-out-gif-27669704

[viral hare]

We need a list of all possible migration zones for every herbi ... I mean its 5 ......................

MAKE MORE HERBIS

[normal lotus]

Not implemented yet? Some dinosaurs not being in specific regions?

[steel field]

wdym? they didnt remove it

[normal lotus]

Oh

[hollow jewel]

no just doesnt work half the time, like everything else

[pallid frost]

Why was comment deleted in feed back. Jw

[sweet mason]

fine then, discord also ain't kind today

can't even speak

filter needs fixing

[limber hull]

@tawny pendant that’s how it works atm, stam regens faster the longer you sit

[tawny pendant]

Oh, when they did it? I didnt notice that change

[limber hull]

Since Gateway was released

[tawny pendant]

Oh, so they didnt x)

[icy lion]

?

[ember anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-evrima-kaperoo-beasts-of-bermuda-coyote-gif-26397945

@cerulean ferry devs shouldn't punish mixpacking, its up to players if they want to mixpack or not.
moreover, u cant always tell if someone if mickpacking or just near another species
( irl there's also "mixpacking" )
there are servers with rules that ban mixpacking

[normal lotus]

I mean the devs are actively trying to discourage mixpacking

[ember anvil]

how?

[urban flax]

diets
Migrations
Mixpack scent

[wild dagger]

does anyone else have the problem that they can hardly see anything underwater as a deino? especially at the lake in North East

a kind of fog everywhere that you can hardly recognise your own dino

[ember anvil]

diets? some carnivores share the same prey, all of them eat same organs

[urban flax]

Before diets they all shared the same prey

[cerulean ferry]

@ember anvil this, plus I mainly mean carni/herbi mixpacking but all kinds. If there was a combo they wanted to mixpack, they would just make it so that combination did not experience the stress from being near one another. plus the way grouping is set up doesn't allow for mixpacking either.

They could also make it a toggleable thing for servers

[normal lotus]

It's supposed to act as a way of encouraging competition.

[ember anvil]

they currently dont experience any stress

[ember anvil]

makes sense

[cerulean ferry]

yeah ik? im saying if it was a feature

[full pewter]

@normal lotus I do think carnos acceleration should be slowed down a bit. Rn it’s mostly that it looks awkward for an animal that size. I’m also not too keen on the charge changes.

[normal lotus]

Yea i agree there

[full pewter]

@lyric spoke maybe troodon could climb up a short distance like in Omnis concept art, but they shouldn’t be as competent as Herrera

Also herreras competition will be hypsys believe it or not, since hypsys will be able to climb (not as well as Herrera tho). The devs have also said getting spit while climbing could cause you to fall

[gritty linden]

has there been any fixes to pteranodon?

[limber hull]

@open trellis you can still stun, but you need to be charging for a longer time. Taprams no longer are effective

A carno can still knockdown a teno

[lyric spoke]

Yeah obviously it shouldn't have the full kit but it should have some affinity for tree hugging.

I don't see how hypsi is supposed to give herra any competition. They're literally full grown snacks that die in one bite. I don't see the benefit to climbing for hypsi if it's just more vulnerable/idle to herras. Troodon might give it an even cat and mouse chase.

[full pewter]

Not necessarily that Hypsy can kill it in hand to hand combat, but in the tall jungle trees a Hypsy could certainly break herras legs

[limber hull]

I honestly think a hypsi is infinitely better suited for competition with herrera than troodon

[full pewter]

There’s otherwise no other Dino’s that will have climbing, herra, hypsy, and somewhat Omni, mayyybe troodon

[limber hull]

Hypsi having a ranged ability that could cause herreras to lose their grip or balance is essentially a hard counter to herrera’s whole playstyle

[limber hull]

Megalania and generation 1

[full pewter]

Oh right, forgot those thx for reminding

Here’s a question, herra vs gen 1, who wins??

[lyric spoke]

I feel like hypsi making herra fall is pretty overboard for a spit attack. maybe if it's standing on a branch and gets a glop in the face but I have doubts that will be common

[hidden mist]

THE HELL

two frogs just spawned under me

AM DRYO HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO EAT THEM?

[limber hull]

Frog

[hidden mist]

why can't devs just put stationary (logical per ai) spawns everywhere ohh

[limber hull]

AI spawns near ALL players, not just carnivores

[hidden mist]

that's awful

[limber hull]

I think it’s fine

It’d be stupid if it only spawned near carnis imho

[hidden mist]

is ai spawning right under your feet normal lol?

[limber hull]

No

But I do think AI spawning near players is still silly

[minor lava]

No

@vernal bough it's already something they had in legacy so there's no reason other than realistic to not implement it 😭

[vernal bough]

Yes. This is why I found Legacy to be more enjoyable than Evrima.

[faint folio]

My experience is that global chat is horrifically toxic in games where pvp is heavily encouraged. Looking at ark, did, pot, rust, legacy Isle, etc. Moreover it would encourage mixpacking which the game by design is trying to discourage

[sage sun]

@proper badge they can't just develop a better ac solution than free eac in-house, as I doubt any of the game devs are too familiar with windows internal systems. I also doubt that anticheat would be better than free EOS-EAC (even tho it's pretty bad).

Best they could do is make sure they verify everything on the server properly.

[vernal bough]

I'm not saying there's **not ** any communication at all, its just so limited that its not as enjoyable as it could be.

[minor lava]

"imagine dying to a rex lmao ahahahha loser"

[faint folio]

Pretty much. A lot of it gets way worse than that though

[minor lava]

[insert IP address]

[sage sun]

I hacked you, your IP: 127.0.0.1

you're on port 80

[lyric spoke]

(Sry tyrannus didn't mean to ping.) it should still be an option for community servers. Nothing is forcing you to play there nor read it

[minor lava]

Tf is port 80

[sage sun]

I'd generally say: give the community servers far more options for changing the gameplay. (custom stamina/damage settings per dino, etc.)

[minor lava]

Knowing IP is useless without knowing country

[vernal bough]

You're going to have Toxic players, no matter what game you play, no matter how "little" the communication is. However, being able to chat with other players and make friends and laugh outweighs the chases of coming into "contact" with a toxic player. I find myself play PoT more than The Isle because of the community. Because I can chat and play with other people how I want to.

Mixpacking being a problem? Yeah, it can be. But that's what you have rules and consequences for. That's why servers encourage the use of replays. I understand that the dev's are trying to make the game "realistic" but they taking so much freedom from the players, that its not enjoyable anymore. Plus, even without the communication between different species, I still have experienced mixpacking. "Discouraging" it is not going to stop it.

[sage sun]

no

IPs aren't bound by country

[minor lava]

What's the point of knowing someone's ip

[prime prairie]

pls fix the model of utah lol it looks like a disabled herrera???

[full pewter]

On that I can agree on, it should only rly fall when clinging to a trunk, but not standing on it

[minor lava]

Why do hypsi have instant growth

[full pewter]

Cause it’s the smallest playable

[minor lava]

Why do hypsi have a charged jump

[full pewter]

Cause it’s got super powers

[minor lava]

Why is it so fast

[sage sun]

your pc got a ton of ports so network communications know which application is supposed to receive the information

for example, lets say you open TheIsle on port 5000 and connect to a server while using your browser on port 80. All the connections to your pc use the same IP address, but different ports, so your operating system knows to which application it delivers the data. If you receive a packet of network data, with port info being 80, windows will send that information to your browser, if it receives a packet with port=5000 it will hand that data to TheIsle (TheIsle-Client-Win64Shipping.exe).

[minor lava]

Why does it regain Stam while running

[full pewter]

Cause it’s cracked

[sage sun]

you can roughly locate them with ip-locators (precision can go anywhere from exact town to just continent), you can also send them so many messages that their router crashes (DDos)

[full pewter]

Cause it’s actually the flash (still slower than Omni tho)

[minor lava]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-coal-mods-christmas-lowtiergod-ltg-gif-12645377823045477295

[sage sun]

Why?

[minor lava]

Omg he threaten to find my address with my IP ban this guy

[sage sun]

lol

127.0.0.1 is localhost btw.

I'm writing those lengthy explanations just so I can feel like my semester of studying computer networks wasn't completely for nothing.

[sudden ridge]

I am in NA test, playing croc no fish in whole pond, yet surrounded by carnivores on land, tf>?, so I try to slip silently out the water to find food, BOOM SPLASH as I gently touch the end, HEY EVERYONE COME KILL ME 😠

[pure dust]

As far as I can tell, no other people can hear the water messing up like that, as my cousin didn't hear mine doing that.

[sudden ridge]

Maybe once it wasn't heard, who knows?

[valid brook]

@analog owl go to your betas and select the spiro beta

[sudden ridge]

no thanks

[analog owl]

@valid brook isnt gateway going to be the new map for everyone

[valid brook]

it is yes, but for now you can go to spiro if you want

[chrome matrix]

Did the latest update fix the problems

[radiant nest]

@prime mist #general-feedback message that’s a bug, not normal fog

[atomic reef]

90% deino lost do to NA server 1 crash... this is anout my 10th dino this week i have lost cuz of server crashes! its soooo annoying to grow a deino for 5 plus hrs to lose it in 5 sec due to a crash...

game crashed it took me about 30 secs to log back in to a dino selection yay!!

[valid brook]

@wooden condor if you have any screenshots about what yer talking about. go ahead and send them to me in DMs

[neat blaze]

do fish and stuff spawn?

[opaque inlet]

Is it just young megalania or adult megalania too?

[limber hull]

Young iirc

[radiant nest]

Yes but don’t respawn it seems

[fierce lintel]

stop growing deinos while they're unstable then?

[wild glacier]

dilo for reals has gotta be on ceras diet

[vagrant jungle]

elite fish also missing next to schooling fish?

[atomic reef]

hasnt jus been deino also a stego a cera a few of the others but my dino shouldnt die cuz a server crash period

[fierce lintel]

fair

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr Dilo was always said to be extremely fragile to most forms of damage as a tradeoff for its powerful offensive capabilities, which is why it's so vulnerable to bleed

[barren zephyr]

thats fine mate but for a game to be actually enjoyable to play ya gotta find the balance between realism and fun. and my feedback is that rn its not

thanks for the lesson tho!

[limber hull]

oh, it's not for realism

the devs just want it to be super fragile

realistically dilo was probably more of a heavy bruiser type

but this is venom hallucination dilo

[eager bronze]

i don't understand why they make the map bigger since there is 'new' hotspots where everyone is and anywhere else the map is just empty and can't find anyone and i don't usually don't like to go to hotspots bc almost the whole population is there and as solo player, u can't really survive there unless u are fast or can fly.
and more people makes the game lag more, even when there is not anyone near me at least i don't hear or see them, my game is still lagging and fps is low.
AI are at least spawning now, but can't find any fish, turtle, frogs or crabs to hunt..

[hexed timber]

@flat ruin #general-feedback message it doesnt work decently for raptors... even when u catch the flank you result in a claw attack far too often, being bodyblocked, and seeing a incoming alt bite from ex: a cera, potentially ending your life. So its not just troodon, its simply a nightmare.

they need to change it, but notjust for troody. The flanks need to get more area (ex the corner between tail and legs, if u come from a diagonal angle from behind the dino (lets say from its 7 o clock) , you will also get a claw attack. While that shoulda been the border of whats possible, it should only block pounces from its (6 o clock) direction, but 5 o clock and 7 o clock angles should already grand it, this would fix the issues we currently having with moving/turning targets

in short: the current distribution of pounceable area vs non-pounceable area is equal , none from front back and only from the sides, but this needs to be rebalanced so that the "pounceable" area is bigger, and the "death" points become smaller, and i suggest personally only to get the claw attack from a 11,12 and 1 o clock angle and ofc a 6o clock angle, but a pounce from any other angle that i havent mentioned should pass as a successful pounce

(including if you land ontop of it, those pounces are the most difficult to land, and usually mean you die or break all your bones if you miss)

[astral aspen]

can we start getting admins in the servers for the huge amount of cheaters that are now there, i get killed by at least 2 cheaters a day now, has been so for the passed 4 days

it literally just happened again in EU1

[topaz kestrel]

@honest gate Why does everyone keep saying bring it back? It never was in Evrima?

[honest gate]

The sucho was here before Evrima and it was my favorite Dino
i want him to get in the game again fast

[topaz kestrel]

You still cant say bring it back if it never was in this version of the game. Bringing the sucho into evrima would be muuuch more effort than just copy paste from Legacy. Its also not close to getting brought in, there will be alot of dinos being release before the sucho.
I'd love the sucho too but its not gonna happen in the near future so I dont think writing this feedback will change anything tbh

[slow wolf]

@hybrid mica per ur suggestion- i disagree. With mutations supposedly coming, it brings new meaning to nesting in this game. Since they are going for realism, it should be a random combination of traits/mutations/colors between both parents to be passed to their eggs

[sweet mason]

why am I hearing teno's 4 call in teno's 2 call? 💀

[sacred crag]

For the love of god fix the FISH

[opaque inlet]

@urban bear

I think, that big hotspot on NE is half crocodiles.

Croc has 2 spawns, and only one of them has players in it. The east plains spawn is also a hot spot but hard for a croc to get to.

I'm not really sure how to solve it, but it feels like east plains has just as many land-dinos as NE plains, and I am sure they both have the same number of non-deinos but NE has considerably more deinos than East

[urban bear]

The whole area in general that goes between the 2 areas and the NE river are all hot areas

solution is to add underwater sancs and remove deinos spawn from NE plains

[opaque inlet]

Yes, but, we can clearly see that NE looks 'hotter' than East on that map, and I think that's because of crocs

[urban bear]

Well yeah

[opaque inlet]

If we remove deino spawn from NE then they can ONLY spawn in Water access

[urban bear]

Can always add more spawns for them in place of NE plains

[opaque inlet]

I am not fond of croc's balance but only one spawn point seems kinda harsh

[urban bear]

Give them a river delta and swamp spawn

and maybe a costal spawn

[opaque inlet]

I think the croc will leave once the rest of the players realize ai exists somewhere else

[opaque inlet]

They can't drink saltwater

[urban bear]

They wont because they just eat each other and any fresh spawn

[opaque inlet]

That is the problem, they don't WANT ai, they want pvp.

[urban bear]

Doesn't mean they can't spawn in it, gives them a reason to get moving

They spawn NE plains, kill other crocs and any baby that spawns in and goes for a drink

there is no encouragement for them to go to another body of water

[opaque inlet]

I think spawning in the ocean is a bit too harsh, gateway isn't a very flat map and crocs are so bad at navigating it's terrain.

And yeah, deinos, like everything else, want to pvp, so they go where the players are so that they can pvp.

All the raptors, dilos, carnos and ceras you hear roaring in the NE and E are there for the same reason, to pvp.

You'd need to force people to spread out somehow, which might not even be liked, but one way you could do it is force random spawns each time.
However, this would make it a lot harder to play with friends

In addition to herbivores spawning who knows how far away from their migration, but this is already a problem.

[urban bear]

They don't need to spawn way out in the ocean, they can spawn on a coast that has turtles or easy access to a river, removing spawns is the only way to get everyone to spawn somewhere else and properly interact with migration zones

[opaque inlet]

To be honest, I truly loved the pre-migration plant system for herbis, I loved it a lot.
And I hate migrations so much.

[urban bear]

There should be a very select group of dinosaurs that can spawn in each area

[opaque inlet]

Near a river by the ocean is fine too

[urban bear]

Migrations force people to spread out and move around, there are still people who do so but its better on community servers due to higher population.

There is still the problem of people sitting NE and not moving because they are loaded up on food and there is tons of prey, they have no reason to journey to a migration zone which is a problem.

[opaque inlet]

I mean, I leave ne because I play dilo and it's all a bunch of dead dilo babies, goats taste better.

But I am content to wander and find people as they come

Others want a fight faster than this

I've been finding less available food in NE for my carno and dilo and I've been consistently wandering away to enjoy the new plentiful deer and boar

[urban bear]

With dilo it becomes a dilo problem because there is still tons of dilo players, other species can spawn there and have instant perfect diet due to the sheer amount of bodys there. Then they grow to full and never leave

[opaque inlet]

If you want to know where to go, go to South Plains or the Highlands, plenty of ai there. More than you will ever need.

For some reason other places are just dead of ai, such as water access.

[urban bear]

Ai overall is well distrubuted now, I'm very happy with it but it still needs work

Some areas like you said are dead

[opaque inlet]

We need fish for ptera

[urban bear]

Yeah fish spawns aren't great right now

[opaque inlet]

And I only found one beach that spawns sea turtles

It's near south plains/rail access spawn for dilo, been using them to get perfect diet.

Spawn rail access, go west to beach, kill sea turtle for //, go south to south plains, kill deer for S, by now your dots is low but by now you're also big enough to kill a boar, drink either at the jungle pond of rail access or if the coast looks clear, drink in the river in south plains.

[urban bear]

South plains I found was loaded with ai

[opaque inlet]

But that's the only place I can find sea turtles

[urban bear]

Same

[opaque inlet]

Yeah highlands too, as well as highlands lake

[urban bear]

no sea turtles at the coastal migration zones

[opaque inlet]

YEAH it's weird, the beaches near swamp have no sea turtles.

From what I understand,

[urban bear]

I have never found one there

found crabs though

[opaque inlet]

It's because they have to make these 'zones' that activate when you enter the zone and then start spawning ai

But when no players are in the 'ai zone' then no ai spawns,

[urban bear]

Need more ai zones

[opaque inlet]

And some places don't have ai zones

[opaque inlet]

Yep

[urban bear]

Every place should have an ai zone tbh

each ai zone should spawn a limited amount of a couple certian ai

[opaque inlet]

I found out as well- If you stand in, I guess a forest/pig/deer zone, it spawns those, even on the beach if the beach is near you. But stand on the sand of the beach, and it spawns sea turtles and crabs, sometimes even in the forest, just in-general near you.

Highlands spawns goats and deer but no pigs, south plains spawns pigs and deer but no goats

I find chickens now and again but I don't know what their pattern is

[urban bear]

I feel is good that certian areas have certian ai

makes players move

[opaque inlet]

But for sea turtles, find a sea turtle 'zone' then walk back and forth until some spawn in a place where you can see them

Well, it certainly makes me move.

[urban bear]

I had a 6 man herrera group the other day we were constantly on the move

found a 8 man dryo group after killing a goat in highlands and had a crazy fight

[opaque inlet]

I love the idea of different ai being in different places, like goats in highland but pigs in the plains, it's kind of like the old plant system for herbis but for carni's instead.

[urban bear]

Old plant system could work with Gateway

[opaque inlet]

Once they fill the map with ai zones, carnivores will be much more free than herbivores.

Becaus herbivores are stuck to a migration zone. 8(

I just wish it was more optional.

[urban bear]

but I would like them to keep the scent indicators like migration has, maybe with the diet icons instead othe footprint thing

The game is harsh for new players and just saying plant spawn in swamp is only going to make them struggle more

Only problem is then herbis would have to move an unfun amount with no migrations

problem with spiro was nesting with herbi was impossible becuase you had to haul ass between plant areas to feed your kids

[opaque inlet]

I'd like the migration to be 'a magical place' where you get all 3 diets and can sustain a big herd effectively.

Then have diet sprinkled everywhere but only in sprinkles. However, the south would have dots, the NE would have // and the west would have S, so if you want all 3 you have to travel or go to the migration zone.

But I'd at least like ONE TYPE of diet in every spot and at least a little bit of it, so that if I want to go somewhere or call some weird spot 'my home' I can.

[urban bear]

That sounds like a good idea

[lyric spoke]

@lament lagoon will you explain why 162 so specifically lmao

[urban bear]

then if players want to nest they can easily just nest in a migration zones

but solos also has a good alternative to get more food for themselves

[opaque inlet]

Yeah.

My favorite thing to do for some reason is camp one area. I don't know why, it's just what I end up doing, I'm a creature of habit and I make little paths and routes that I use over and over.

If anyone watched me long enough they could ambush me really easily I suppose...

And being unable to just call an area 'mine' is annoying.

Also being stuck to a single spot is also annoying, because I still travel around and whatever

[urban bear]

Yeah not being able to move at all is annoying

another problem is migrations can takes ages to switch

[opaque inlet]

I just have a favorite bush I log out in, but I can't do that as herbi with the new migration - Migrations make you stuck when you don't wanna be, and they make you move when you don't wanna move.

Teno is actually good now but I am literally not playing it just because of the migrations

[urban bear]

Migrations should last less time to herbis can move more often, have them on a timer os something

[opaque inlet]

I mean they used to move too fast and then stegos could hardly have a chance to eat before they switched

[urban bear]

Also add more zones and have plants scattered outside of them, like just S diet and the odd Double lines

[opaque inlet]

I think just making them optional

Like just, let other plants exist everywhere, but the migration is the only spot that has all 3 at once.

[urban bear]

That seems to be something a lot of people like the idea off

I think it would work quit well

[opaque inlet]

That way you can call a spot home if you want to, but at the cost of 'now you only get one nutrient'

[urban bear]

if the plants are well spread out lots more map would get used

[lyric spoke]

Wasn't that because of a bug tho? I think if migration zones switched to the closest available zone it would lessen that problem. Right now they are way too long imo

[opaque inlet]

They used to just swap between highlands and highlands lake infinitely, rarely to rail access and then back to highlands

[lyric spoke]

In early gateway I remember it was always highlands then river delta for me

[urban bear]

Yeah that got boring fast

[boreal briar]

@prime prairie There may actually be a reason it was removed. They just don't communicate everything which can make it seem like stuff is removed for no point.

Maybe it was a part of the stability issues

@dark dock did you crash while eating the boar?

[dark dock]

yes

[boreal briar]

if so, your character stays in game eating... then they eat too much and puke.

ah, yeah you kept eating and overate then puked

[dark dock]

oooh oki

[boreal briar]

its an annoying bug 😦

[dark dock]

yesh very much

thx for info

[hollow jewel]

i swear every decision they make is just to make pteras lives more miserable

no stamina, no fish, heavy fog. how are they meant to survive

[amber cosmos]

the fog is a glitch and the so is the lack of fish

[icy lion]

@lucid robin Why change it from green?

[lucid robin]

the green is often hard to tell from the orange for me and others, it's too similar. especially from a long distance away

[rich steppe]

welp my games bugged as hell since that update

shadows jump back and forth, NV isnt work correctly. time of day cycle skips as it changes time of day ><

[rustic juniper]

@lucid robin hii!! i like this a lot for accessibility reasons but i did want to note that while youre right in that MOST colorblind people can see blue, not all of them can, and orange would be not super visible for the majority!!

the most common form of color blindness is red-green, where both colors appear something analogous brown and cant really be distinguished between. there is blue-yellow colorblindness as well, but yellows show up as kind of pale pinkish, and cool colors as varying shades of teal. i think there should probably be 2 or 3 different global color settings for colorblind players, just to make sure everyone is accounted for

[distant osprey]

Same. As someone who got really poor eyesight, i keep jumping at EVERYTHING because of the unnaturally dancing shadows.

[rich steppe]

ok so its not just me, its super frustrating, ive re downloaded the game a few times, compeletly removed all files and reinstalled. nothing has fixed it. verified game files when i redownload and nothing has worked. idk if this is an issue they are addressing. but the last few updates have really messed my game up

[distant osprey]

Think its something that came with one of the recent patches. Its quite new for me. I really do hope they fix it though, its really confusing when hunting as deino too since i keep lunging at everything that move and mess up my ambushes ;-;

[lucid robin]

actually, just allowing people to choose what color the dewlap for each gender is sounds like a great idea. u should suggest that! since dewlap color differences arent something people can really use to cheat or gain an unfair advantage i dont think. that way I can change females to blue, but someone who for instance can't see blue that well can change it to, say, green. edit: wait it's already green... ok they can change it to red lol

[rich steppe]

well thats just great lol, i also noticed visual fidelity is down on things in the distance and my water is all pixelated now. fml

[distant osprey]

My water is fine pixel wise but the goddamn fog?? Like, why is it FOG under the water 💀

[rich steppe]

vicious cycle with patches, fix one thing. another thing breaks 😭

[mental kindle]

can ya'll confirm, still no fish?

[plucky barn]

Can anyone explain to me what the actual point is of having Herrerasaurus in the game at this stage? Now I've only tried it a few times and I'm sure I'm not playing it optimally, but it seems to me this dino is completely useless atm.

-Half of the trees on the map have no branches you can interact with, and are spaced too far apart to be able to jump from tree to tree.

-It's a dino that's supposed to hunt from the trees, but there's never anything to hunt since the forest is a barren wasteland in this game where AI barely spawns and most players never have a reason to go there, let alone hang around long enough in one place for me to pounce on them.

-Even if you do manage to find something, be it a player or AI, it's usually long gone before you can even get into a position to pounce on it. And being able to get into position without your prey noticing you is almost impossible.

So far my experience playing this dino has been nothing but frustrating. I just end up desperately looking for anything to eat and even if I do find a deer to hunt I can't even keep up with it since it's faster than me whether I'm on the ground or using the trees. Boars on the other hand just end up killing me because pouncing on them from a tree barely seems to do anything and they'll just start chasing me if I don't get away fast enough. Meaning I'm left to either scavenge or hope for a goat to spawn near me since goats are slow enough that I can keep up with them on land..

Maybe I'm just missing something here, but I really don't see the value in having this dino be a playable in the game right now. Unless you really, really enjoy climbing trees, I guess...

Oh right, almost forgot. The times I did manage to hunt something succesfully, as soon as I start to eat, 3 birds just spawn out of nowhere and start trying to kill me... This happened every single time I managed to kill something. Why...?

[dull sapphire]

To add to the fog issue, there's hardly any clouds in the sky, I can see the moon ffs, but the fog is thicker than a pachy's skull and I've had times where it's been there for the entire life of a dino, up to 4 hours.

[dull sapphire]

Those AI birds are there to make it harder; they attack anything that's too close to a body. Get to a tree, wall or other obstacle and they'll drop like bricks and you got either food or free bait

[lament lagoon]

can we get cerato biteforce with 12 extra damge

[limber hull]

no

[lament lagoon]

😦

[limber hull]

thanks for understanding

[shy python]

mr frog