general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

Birds are dinosaurs..

You said no dinosaur does that so there you go

[neat ivy]

ancestors, they are not dinosaurs...

[barren zephyr]

Regardless, there is still areas of the game where you can find yourself completely on your own. And when that happens there's 0 fun to be had

[patent oyster]

anyone else unable to rest rn? you press H and it does nothing

[barren zephyr]

Regardless, saying a mechanic shouldn't exist purely bc "I don't like it" is bad reasoning lmao

[barren zephyr]

Ye it's a bug - relog to fix

[neat ivy]

I dont like PoT and not the mechanic

[barren zephyr]

The mechanic has nothing to do with PoT lmao

[neat ivy]

in PoT u grab sticks and do missions, its kinda uh--

[zinc knoll]

I think the stuff they have planned like scratching trees and sharpening horns will already spice up gameplay outside of PvP.

[patent oyster]

such a weird bug to have, thank you

[barren zephyr]

Grabbing sticks and doing missions are completely different things, and I never suggested missions

[barren zephyr]

Ye but that's still very minimal

[neat ivy]

So u just want some stick?

[barren zephyr]

Yes

I'm not asking for PoT in Isle, I'm just asking for environmental interactability, and something to make the environment look more alive. The fireflies added help with it, but doesn't solve the issue/

[neat ivy]

Ok bro i'll vote yes so u can grab some sticks, but no CUSTOMIZE nests, please, i dont want to see pink, red, green nests, with some expensive furniture made of wood

[barren zephyr]

That's not how the nest customization system works anyway

What I suggested is different nesting materials aid the nest differently, the colors don't change

Like sticks retain more warmth, while rocks make the nest harder to break and can survive better in weather

[neat ivy]

until your idea is cool

I support you for president

I liked your idea friend

[untold thistle]

Troodon size means it can operate in an area even if it's natural predators share the space. Smart Troodon players are stealthy, pick their targets wisely, and aren't picky eaters.

The reason they are nearly extinct is because they need a pack and it's impossible to find 5 people that know to keep a low profile and keep our attacks to the weakened or young.

Dilo will suffer when the Raptor and carno players return to their mains... unlike Troodon, they can't chill 200ft away in the open plains.

[barren zephyr]

[neat ivy]

Your idea is incredible, I loved the mechanics, I understood that you wanted to put furniture in the nests @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

I will destroy you 👊 lmao

[icy lion]

@empty forge That's planned

[empty forge]

ohh nice

[latent olive]

@urban bear how did you go about getting that heatmap, gawdanm

[urban bear]

Petit pieds discord

[latent olive]

sick

[urban bear]

You can find it in the game inspector channel

[gleaming forge]

@urban bear those red spots, need to be every 1-2cm where 2 cm if you measure with a ruler (Above) #general-feedback

[urban bear]

What?

[oak marsh]

bonk Dilophosaurus100.10001.00001.00001.00001.00001.00000.20001.00001.00001.00000.20000.8014271018161110

[versed fjord]

does anyone else think carno is hot ass now ?

[thick creek]

#general-feedback message

[thick creek]

herra is supposed to attack pray on the ground wdym?

[boreal briar]

@ebon elbow I'd love it if they only glowed from flashlights or nightvision goggles. Or at least a mutation that removes the glow.

[lyric spoke]

Yes it's pretty bad lol, the charge is now entirely useless for everything. It's clockwork for these devs, we had a month of carno being the most OP dino in the game so now it gets to be the worst of its size. Then next update they will brainlessly overbuff it again, so on and so forth.

[steady zinc]

Any bets whether they will ignore the community again and keep the current stamina and ai situation or will they change it for the greater good

[boreal nymph]

Its quite clear they are not taking their discord suggestions to note - need to use steam reviews

[cyan flame]

They do take suggestions, if they fit with their vision. And I doubt steam reviews matters all that much, especially for suggestions and stuff. As for AI, I'm pretty sure they're aware it's a bit broken, but it's also vacation times so we're probably stuck with it for now. Stamina has been said to be revised in the future, but it's likely that it will remain an important resource and not something to be used whenever and however you see fit. So, even if they change it, we're probably not going back to running around or constantly figting or so.

[boreal nymph]

they would cause it would hurt thier bottom line seeing suggestions going unchanged, everyone is complaining about starving and stam - they even made diets worse now, I jsut ate a fish my size as a baby croc and it didnt even give me full 2 line diet, it doesnt make sense xD

[cyan flame]

Not really, because they have independent funding from what I know. Dondi could technically go entirely offline and develop things and only come back when it's done. We get to play as they make the game, but we're not "needed" as it were. Even if the entire playerbase were to leave, Dondi would still develop the game as he wants it. Yes, people complain, as they always do, but it only means so much. The game isn't made for us, not in the sense that we get to decide how the game should be. The devs have their vision, and if they want stamina or diets or anything else a certain way because they find it good, then we're going to have to deal with that, or find another game.

I think they changed diets, or how much nutrients you get to make it more of a struggle to keep a full diet, since before, organs could feed far too many. But it's perfectly possible that they've overdone the numbers, balancing in this game do tend to go from one extreme to the other, for some reason. But it probably is better this way than the former way, at least for now. Though I'd like a clarification, do you mean that you couldn't even fill in one hexagon from that fish, or that you couldn't fill in all three? What do you mean with "full diet" here?

[boreal nymph]

fish my size couldnt fill up one hexagon - 2 line diet

[cyan flame]

Hm, granted that does sound harsh, at least with current lack of AI.

Though it could just be that the lack of AI causes the change to be way worse than it would otherwise be

[lyric spoke]

Nah it's bad, really bad. They went so far overboard on diet nerfs for carnivores

[limber hull]

nah, i do think it needs to cost less stam to charge, but otherwise its decent

[ebon elbow]

exactly, and that would be a really cool effect to include when lights are present. Eyes glowing under water, specifically, just gives Deinos away so easily. Drinking at night should be pure terror like update 6 🙂 Edit* which is why i think so many people voted against it... but it really is a drag for crocs.

[boreal briar]

Oh the glowing eyes under water is awful for sure. It makes it super easy to see exactly where they are

[wary cargo]

How does the Dilo venom application work?

[limber hull]

bite the thing and it gets envenomated. if that doesn't work, bite it again until it does

[wary cargo]

what's the right click do then

[nova oxide]

guys can u help me i still get the glitch where i get sent to different server than i want i have restarted my steam client 2 TIMES pls help me

[limber hull]

summons hallucinations for the envenomated target

[wary cargo]

oh ok

[slim wing]

They need to fix the lighting in the game. Its literally dark as heck during the day, and you have to use night vision. It is so annoying lol

[stone geode]

Bruh

[crimson glacier]

That's ridiculous.

[stone geode]

I literally always die when I spawn anywhere that isn't east plains (where the AI are)

[limber hull]

that's where all the players are, and they made it that AI spawns near players, so that's what happens

it's a terrible system and IDK why they made it like that

[stone geode]

not enough Ai

[crimson glacier]

We're all wondering the exact same thing. The previous system was fine

[limber hull]

it literally exists to reward hotspots

[stone geode]

They should really distribute it. Like if I join a new server how am I supposed to know where the people are. Sometime east plains is populatated and sometimes its somwehre else

[stone geode]

East Plains is the new center

[limber hull]

pretty much

which is weird because it used to be northeast

[stone geode]

I thought migration was supposed to bring AI around the map. Is it not that anymore

[limber hull]

you know what they could do

they already have it that AI spawns in proximity to players

remove it from players, put it on migration zones

[stone geode]

Ngl, they should really bring back the legacy AI system

[limber hull]

that's exactly what they did this update lol

that's why it sucks so bad, they brought back the legacy AI system

[crimson glacier]

What they should do is add turtles and crabs.

There are none with the new system

[limber hull]

because no one is near the beaches

[crimson glacier]

I know, I hate it

[stone geode]

Ngl, I may hate V3 but atleast players were semi distributed. Now everyone is just in East Plains.
Though I suppose V3 was so distributed because of beach spawns

[limber hull]

you can't pick spawnpoints on V3, that's a colossal factor

[stone geode]

I think they should bring that back. this system just encentivises people to spawn in one place and pvp

[crimson glacier]

The spawns are fine. It's the food and AI situation that needs to change

[stone geode]

Is it the exact same way because I swear I do not see AI when I am in swamps

[limber hull]

it spawns around players, except in legacy, it only spawned around specifically hungry carnivores (which was dumb as hell imho)

[limber hull]

the spawns are ironically directly contributing to the AI situation

[stone geode]

I think it could help if the AI was louder. Because in legacy it was very easy to tell which AI was which and where. The AI in Evrima make not enough loud noises.

Like if the boar made a loud boar call every once in a while it would help more than a grunt

[austere field]

Yes it's hard to find ai unless you're looking closely, especially at night

[wind idol]

is the desync for u guys also that bad ?

[hidden mist]

Yeh. Dilo's hitboxes are broken, stego's too still, the game started to quickly teleport me back several times in a row every 10 minutes or so... That's The Isle I guess

[rare fractal]

Ironically stego has some of the tightest hitboxes in game

Complaints about stegos hitbox typically come about because of the duration of stegos swing animation which often catches people when the server is being weird or your ping is bad

[stone geode]

Even if there is AI, at night its so hard to find. Compare finding AI at night in evrima to finding AI at night in Legacy

[gentle briar]

Slower hunger and nutrient loss would make nesting a possibility.

[regal elm]

Nobody nests anymore bc it's so difficult to get enough food

Hardly ever find nests and half the time i do i get abandoned as a hatchling bc no food

[brave canopy]

is there a way I can fix my game crashing when I connect to a server?

[mental mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

Keep this vibe for humans

[barren zephyr]

Do dino Ai not spawn anymore?

All I see are chickens, boars, goats, deer, etc. But never dino ai

[limber hull]

god i hope they removed it

[proven spindle]

for the love o god please revert the map,stamina,stamina regen, and the lack food around the map its literrally unplaable the new dinos will not revive your game if the game core gameplay sucks. thank you

[limber hull]

lmao no

[lucid sinew]

Is it just me or....is the ambience noise just constant bird chirps...

[barren zephyr]

Bro's never been outside before

[limber hull]

bro has yet to be exposed to the beautiful soundscape of the tropical outdoors

(it's like, 95% birds, all of the time)

[barren zephyr]

Or just anywhere during Spring/Summer

[limber hull]

so many goddamn birds

[barren zephyr]

It is literally just birds

[limber hull]

sometimes insects

[barren zephyr]

Primarily at night

[limber hull]

which The Isle also has

like idk what else will be in the soundscape besides birds, because the rest of the local fauna is big dinos

YOU can make the soundscape with the press of a button

[barren zephyr]

Yeah pretty much, and it's much like this irl. Don't hear much outside of birds

[urban flax]

The Isle lacks the ambient noise of cars and police sirens

That's what makes it unrealistic

[safe hearth]

More dino ai will come lol
Cerato, carno, omni ai are confirmed too (between the last three months)
Teno will come back after it gets fixed
Guaranteed

[limber hull]

ew

i hope not

[prime linden]

Special place in hell for whoever added the mini tera when you murk something

[ancient zenith]

do really need carno omni and cerato? i feel like carnis should not be ai just herbies to make the world feel more alive because almost every dino game has a huge carni bias including the isle

[limber hull]

if only herbis are AI, that makes more carni bias lol

dino AI is bad in general

[ancient zenith]

kinda based yeah i see what you mean tho

[limber hull]

keep AI as something small to tide over small creatures and juvis

adults should beat the hell out of each other

[midnight heath]

I'd be down with AI dinosaurs so long as they weren't playables

[limber hull]

thats why compy and ptero exist

[midnight heath]

Should expand more on that rather than making current dinosaurs AI

[limber hull]

i disagree personally

[midnight heath]

You just think there shouldn't be any large AI?

[limber hull]

i like boar

[midnight heath]

I got kicked by a boar and died not long ago, they're funny little guys seemingly aggroing onto the weirdest things.

Yet not the bloodthirsty pigs they were on Spiro

[limber hull]

all i really like in terms of "large AI" is boar

[midnight heath]

They never even crossed my mind as "large" but I do see where you're getting at

[limber hull]

frankly the dino AI exists to me as something so goddamn small that it cannot possibly be considered viable playable

[fossil jolt]

some stupid reason i cant get into a unofficial sever without it kicking me out after 5 minutes

[limber hull]

don't click "connect" more than once

[fossil jolt]

i clicked it once

then puts me in some random server

[limber hull]

yep

[gleaming silo]

@queen swift I also think thats why devs shouldnt have released the update earlier. Maybe test it in the private st for longer and then publish a public st? I 100% agree with you

[limber hull]

The lack of teno AI is my fave part of this update tbh lol

[gleaming silo]

true, the game is lacking AI rn.

[limber hull]

AI spawning system, not too fond

[gleaming silo]

the only thing that is different is that i found a single chicken. Lol

[limber hull]

I literally hope to god teno AI never comes back

[queen swift]

i dont think they actually test things, just fighting mechanics.

[gleaming silo]

I honestly want it back, kinda makes the game look more alive?

[queen swift]

I dont think anyone cares about teno AI specifically, just AI period

[limber hull]

AI still spawns, the issue is HOW it spawns

They decided to make AI spawn around players, which means the hotspots will become even more of a hotspot because all the AI spawns there

[limber hull]

It makes the game feel WAY more dead imho

We have these artificual, robotic tenos that immediately take me out of the game (and make playing teno feel way worse, because you can't trust a call to be a friendly to herd up with and not a mindless bot)

[gleaming silo]

I feel like instead the ai should spawn in the migrations more frequently. It might spawn across the map but less frequently

[limber hull]

Oh, for sure, AI should spawn in migrations

That's the best way of doing it, without a doubt

[queen swift]

other way around i think, like they should spawn in the wilds more often and not in migration zones so real teno players can have an easier time finding eachother

[limber hull]

Don't add teno AI, make AI spawn in migration zones, all good

[queen swift]

I agree with migration zones honestly idk why that didnt occur to them, thats the most obvious answer

[rapid burrow]

They should spawn wherer their descri[tion SAYS THEY ARE

[limber hull]

Legit tho dino AI is garbage for the game and should be ignored or left as a server option

[rapid burrow]

devs be like = lets push out dilo and hera, no ai and we do it jsut before we go on holiday, that will showem

[queen swift]

well legacy had ai dinos and it was pretty nice, its how they do ai dinos that should be worked on, seeing a herd of stegos in the distance a flock of pteras and a bunch of crocs in a river waiting makes the game more alive. tbh

[limber hull]

there is AI

[limber hull]

that should be done via player agency imho

[rapid burrow]

Not where their description says they are.

its either all at 1 place, or you starve

[queen swift]

then again it would be nicer if they just increased the player cap for the servers.

[rapid burrow]

Legacy, i could atleast roam the map, and get food, feel that im free to be all over not jsut 1 spot

[queen swift]

big huge map with only 100 players is a bit on the nose

[rapid burrow]

Yeah the pop should be increased

[limber hull]

increasing the population > adding dino AI

[rapid burrow]

you can do both

[limber hull]

sure, but one is just worse

[rapid burrow]

this is only more beneficial we need more herbs on the map too

so thats ai, in other words

[limber hull]

no

that just means less people playing herbs

and they've said dino AI will also be carnivores

[rapid burrow]

Then how are carnivores seposed to, get their diet if there are no Herbs

or ai

and im not the only saying ai is a problem, theres alot of people saying the same

all i see are boar and goats, not 1 crab/turtle/deer

and thats if i havent starved to death

[raven hamlet]

is there a bug with joining the server the next day and having to restart my dino because i logged safely yesterday and join the server today and i have to restart again.

[limber hull]

just fix the spawns being only where the players are, and make it that more than 2/5 herbivores are feature complete and we'll probably fix that issue

friendly reminder: dryo, hypsi and stego are all incomplete animals

if you want a hint why herbis are so underplayed, that's one

adding more AI only makes people play them less

[midnight heath]

Yes it's a known bug, I've lost a handful of deinos that way but there's not much you can do about it unfortunately.

[agile roost]

@barren zephyr yes, but dilo can only apply venom 3 times to the head, or 5 times to the body, it cannot do it on tails, plus the ai hallucinations have a hard time reaching the player if they're near water, in a mud pool, or on a cliffy area. Plus dilo has awful bleed resistance, so omnis can pouch a dilo and soon enough it'll bleed out

Regarding the envenomation duration, I do think 10 minutes is a lot.

[barren zephyr]

Yesterday a dilo bit me ONCE and I was straight into phase 3...and not just once.

[agile roost]

Then that's a different issue...

Could it immediately spawn hallucinations after biting?

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[agile roost]

Then that's a bug

[barren zephyr]

But then this bug happened very often. Because it didn't just happen to me once. And this has happened to my friends several times too.

[agile roost]

Huh

[agile roost]

@barren zephyr was it at night or day

[barren zephyr]

Both during the day and at night.

[agile roost]

There are rumours that venom works better at night

Try replicating it again

By being envenomated at day as omni

[brave trout]

Interesting, I also had that instance where a baby Dilo staged 3 my FG herrera with a single bite on my ass

[barren zephyr]

Yes, we will test everything again on a private server.

[brave trout]

I wonder if dinos have varying venom tolerance. I knew size affected it but I guess there's more to inspect.

[agile roost]

I watched kouga's guide and it said tails don't deal venom

[agile roost]

Let me know how it goes

[brave trout]

Has anyone else witnessed the double bite glitch ? Sometimes when I would bite really fast it would chain two bites on the almost same timeframe.

[polar horizon]

How do i submit photos to the google form

also anyone else get bugged into a tree as herra?

[stone geode]

Yeah, i just want to say again. The AI spawn system sucks. It encourages singular hotspots like the east plains pond and discourages traveling. Also, add louder animal noises.

[sullen token]

Were the animals supposed to move in herds? That would still be interesting to see when they all get hunted and the food lasts for a good moment and players would gather around or something.

[tough hound]

does dilo venom do damage?

like damage on hit or damage over time even?

[north quiver]

@barren zephyr I know for a fact there’s an absurd amount of fish at the northeast lake, so fish is probably hit by the new ai spawning system too

ai spawns commonly where people flock to

which is a horrible change

[barren zephyr]

They make a migration system entirely to make people move around and remove hotspots, but proceed to then encourage hotspots and punish players for exploring elsewhere with these AI spawns.

Makes sense to me

[north quiver]

the migration system is also below mid imo. it needs to change

having a single area you have to go to for food is just incredibly boring after you’ve played it for a while and know the map. stuck with an area you don’t like or is terrible for your playable? sucks for you! log out and play some carnivore on another server :D then you’re restricted to two areas instead of just one! what a deal

hot take but I prefer spiro’s herbivore food spawns over the current gateway’s migrations. just how I feel after endless hours of herbivore gameplay

[mental mountain]

Fix herra bug

[dire ridge]

Thats weird, hotspot=more players=more food

Why spawn AI there ? AI should sustain low pop server and/or players that aren't at hotspot imo.

[lyric spoke]

(Sry kuro idk why it @'d you) dilo phantoms do actual damage when they bite you

@frosty willow is that a real thing or are you being facetious lol

[frosty willow]

real thing

my adol dilo died like that

[lyric spoke]

That's hilarious wth. You were just standing still for it?

[frosty willow]

yeah

was testing out bite speed

[lyric spoke]

Very innovative feature, amazing lmao

[barren zephyr]

i feel we dont need 10 Na or Eu servers with 100 player caps. id rather we had 3 or 4 servers with 300-500 player caps. there you would see actual ecosystems and diverse populations, it would also make such a beautiful map like gateway not feel so barren as theres only 2 or 3 hot spots of players

The game literally just cannot handle that many players

[raw hedge]

I’d like to see some changes to troodon. Especially with how strong the venom is with dilo, it’s just not as much fun

[hidden tiger]

dog watter ai spawn

[normal lotus]

Perhaps make a bug report that the Ai spawns aren't working correctly?

I wish I could for you, save many many many people the trouble of it. But PC can't handle gateway

@winged saddle I believe that is their vision for the ai

[winged saddle]

good because the AI at the moment is just so... ugh. it sucks so much

[normal lotus]

Yea, they know it too. But remember 90% of the stuff in the game rn is WIP. Makes sense considering its early access.

[winged saddle]

well yeah, obviously. but the feedback is there for a reason. it sucks, so im gonna complain about how it sucks lol

[normal lotus]

Fair enough.

Just wanna have people keep it in mind. Many forget that evrima is by far not complete and complain that it isn't finished.

@hybrid mica how good is evrima dilo's NV? Also tbh 50 meters seems a bit much.

[winged saddle]

this is the NV. pretty pathetic for a nocturnal hunter, and i dunno how much 50 meters would be in-game

[normal lotus]

That does look good for NV tbh.

Then again idk how it affects gameplay so there's that.

[winged saddle]

for anything elses NV? sure, but for a nocturnal hunter? no, it should be as clear as day. if it cant hunt at day, it needs to be able to hunt at night

it definitely should get a buff

[normal lotus]

Well dilo can hunt in both. And remember night time venom saps other prey items of their NV last I heard.

[rare fractal]

I think that just says more about how awful NV is generally

[normal lotus]

True, it should be better in my opinion

[rare fractal]

Gateways weird geography+fog+dilofog+NV generally being too dark and desaturated+short ranges

Just feels bad to play with

Sucks moreso as well because you’ll be spending the majority of your time in game with NV toggled on

[normal lotus]

Fair, ngl I wouldn't mind if gateway had some minute changes, notably the night cycle shifting from new moon, quarter, half, third. quarter, full

[rare fractal]

Would also be nice if weather events didn’t disable the lighting engine

Rain turns day to night it’s bizarre

[normal lotus]

Yea its gonna need some help. Should be fixed within due time.

Anyway how's the moon cycle idea?

New moons are the darkest night can get, around what we have today in terms of nighttime darkness and the full moon being bright enough where you could possibly play without NV

@final venture I suggest sending that and the coords to #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[rare fractal]

Yes pls

[normal lotus]

It also increases the NV level for each dinosaur, so herbivores on full moons are much more safe than those on like a quarter or new moon.

Kinda like in real life

[rare fractal]

I like the idea generally

The biggest benefit to me is that the map would be less bizarre to navigate

Because gateway already has really unintuitive pathfinding

So being able to see where you are going would be neat

[normal lotus]

True, ngl I do have a few good ideas to help fix the issues gateway has.

1. Migration
   As of now Migration as we know is still within its WIP state. So it is 100% likely going to change in the future, one way they could have it is each species (bar some) only have a single Migration zone per species, bar some that have two thanks to overlap. Which where your dietary needs are at maximum. HOWEVER, in other regions your diet still spawns, in drastically smaller levels. But in other regions. This gives incentive to go to the Migration zones. While also not catching people who just spawned in with their metaphorical pants down.

2. Stamina...oh boy...
   Hot take, not a lot has to be done to fix it. Decreasing food and water drain, and or increasing the amount you can have will do the trick, possibly exclude species like deinosuchus from this. On account of their already long starve times. Also in terms of regenerating. Have it so its percent based, and not how long you've been sitting, standing, or walking. Also one last thing, some trots (gallimimus for example, a nomadic and speed oriented species) should be able to regen stamina while trotting, If only a little at a time.

And as for sanctuaries? Increase the amount mushrooms give and increase the number of them. (Two things they're kinda working on last I heard) and were golden.

Also one last thing. Spawning in all regions there are specific ferns that do not give any diet, but instead temporarily stop diets from draining, as well as give food. The exclusion of those that can get diet from them are generalists, for example something like psittacosaurus.

So...what do you think? @rare fractal

[rare fractal]

I think stam is super easy to fix too.
Unironically double or triple core resource timers like food and water a nutrient decay…and have diminishing returns on stam regen based on how full your stam is, so the higher your stam is when you start to rest or passive regen it the faster your ramp up or basic regen is

I don’t mind having to sit for a few minutes to get ALL of your stam back

But topping off your last 10% taking as long as it does is rediculous

Oh also, just reduce tenos costs down again and give Herrera near infinite stamina

[normal lotus]

Like if you ran until you had ZERO stamina, I'd see why it'd take a while.

[rare fractal]

Then we can have fun

Yup

[normal lotus]

Also one thing I see people argue when talking about stamina changes is "well I can probably run and recover faster". And yea we could. Because we are insane in terms of endurance.

[rare fractal]

Yeah I tend not to care about realism arguments for stam I only care for playability and uptime

The game lacks WAY too much uptime

Players spend most of their time not doing anything which is another contributor to maps feeling so empty when they’re full

[shut shell]

@median coral
so just make the isle into path of titans

[normal lotus]

@median coral they have an idea as an endgame with mutations and elder

With elder this diagram is a good example but to summarize: elder is a stage that happens when you take care of your dinosaur (proper diets, likely some more QOL like sharpening claws, horns, wallowing, basking, things that would be good for your dinosaur to have) which makes your dinosaur stronger, however at some point you become a senior, and can die of old age if you so choose.

[fathom moth]

pouncing for omni needs to be fixed

not being able to pounch from the front and back makes it impossible to solo

back should be allowed

[untold thistle]

While they are fixing it for Omni do it for troodon too.

It's just too hard in a frantic dog fight to get a side shot when you consider that a front or back pounce results in death.

[rare fractal]

That’s the point

There’s a reason Omni is designed for pack hunting

Pounce is one of the highest value attacks when landed

It being braindead easy to land for as long as it has been was an issue

[limber hull]

omni's skill floor just jumped between updates to a point where it's actually close to the "skilled pack hunter" it was advertised t obe

[kindred flume]

does anyone think dilo venom is op or na

[bright loom]

i think its pretty cool, and the hit boxes that are required to apply it are nice

sometimes it can be seen as op since probs lag spikes and server issues cause the dino to be hit and we cant see it.

the clones are just a representation of the venom working if I were to say

but i do get why people say its op a freshly spawned dilo shouldnt be able to kill anything bigger than it

[fathom moth]

LOL sounds like someone who has never played omni

[slender wraith]

lol nothing like playing 3 hours 2.5 of which your forced to spend resting afk ive finished 3 episodes of one piece in the time ive rested its insane lmaoo

[limber hull]

i've played omni and it feels fine lol, actually feels like a skill-based animal now

[fathom moth]

literally omni can be bucked off by everything, pounce barely does any damage for a massive stam ingestion, and worst of all, half the time before the patch it didnt even work

every carno in the game is a joke by how easily it kills opponents other than omni

[rare fractal]

I play too much Omni

That’s why I’m happy I have to try now

Feels good to require skill expression

[limber hull]

very true

[ancient zenith]

just won a 3v1 as carno vs dilos and still died because of clones after all 3 died

[lyric spoke]

is it back to the 3 second stam drain from buck we had before gateway? instead of the 30 second buck drain... because for some reason these devs literally cannot physically restrain themselves from adding extra zeroes to any changes they make

[fathom moth]

it is for dilos

[lyric spoke]

Yeah the stam changes are too punishing to go back to that, wish they wouldn't have done that

[fathom moth]

sigh the amount of times ive pouned someone in the side only for it show im attached and then bug me to the front of them for a free bite

[slender wraith]

i just got outran by dilos and im using a galli lmaoooooooo

[limber hull]

if you have no hexes filled, you are literally slower than dilos yea

[lyric spoke]

Yet another reason I don't think dilo needs to be 47, seems so unecessary

[slender wraith]

this game went not only down hill but took the hill with it in this one update lmao

[limber hull]

i wouldn't say that, i'd say this update has many improvements from the prior

i prefer current balance, sans dilo venom

[slender wraith]

surely you dont prefer the new stam system

[limber hull]

i kinda do

[slender wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/welp-courage-whats-up-hi-thoughts-gif-20125579

[ancient zenith]

real

[slender wraith]

so your ok with ptera having the stam regen of a trex when literally you cant do a sinlge thing about it cuz you waste stamina from literally just breathing or galli taking 5 mins to regen stamina -a dino known for its endurance or maybe beipi which drains masive amounts of stamina from simply doing what it does (swimming) and now you drain stamina from dolphin diving so there goes that.

[limber hull]

galli has insanely high endurance, running almost 2x longer than the rest of the roster. Ptera, if managed well, can fly for AGES

beipi is silly tho

[lyric spoke]

Wow, I was actually almost positive beipi was fixed because it is legit 0 IQ to think beipi needs incredible stamina for... floating on water lmao

[slender wraith]

ptera can fly for ages but good luck trying to go up a hill or a mountain

[slender wraith]

you swim 10 feet with beipi and drain half your stam right there

[ancient zenith]

dude yeah most small tiers stam sucks

[slender wraith]

yep its wild

this would all be fine if small dinos had fast regen for those who like a fast paced experience

[lyric spoke]

How you know it isn't working is when you really think about the fact that a full stam regen for some of them like troodon ptera or beipi is a sizeable fraction of their entire growth span loool!

I've literally sat for stam regen before, forgot I was playing and came back to a full grown ptera or beipi

[slender wraith]

lmao

its wild how they cant just issue out a fix any other game woulda be dealt with this issue the next day after update release

[lyric spoke]

Well they can, they choose not to out of spite. Dondi has expressed borderline hatred for people who are complaining about stamina

[limber hull]

thats literally not what happened but go off i guess

[slender wraith]

if thats true then that 90% of the player base lol

aint that something

[limber hull]

he expressed the fact that stam isnt getting reverted because this is the intended direction for the game, encouraging more survival over deathmatch

[normal lotus]

And before you say anything, its transitioning over to the survival aspect. If anything I've come to expect it by now.

[slender wraith]

survival if that means i gotta painfully WALK a giant map and starve cuz i cant sprint 10 steps without losing half the stam bar then we're screwed

[lyric spoke]

Survival of the boredest

[fathom moth]

except there isnt any ai, so its a just a slow deathmatch

[slender wraith]

its a game people not real life if rockstar decided to make gta stopping at stoplights to play for the sake of realism the game would die in hours

[limber hull]

the new AI spawning system isn't great, but there is AI

nah, actually, the new AI spawning system needs to be scrapped ASAP

[normal lotus]

I heavily agree with you.

How that got past is beyond me.

[normal lotus]

Maybe instead, they increase the trot speed or decrease the drainage of food and water.

Rather than getting rid of the system entirely.

[limber hull]

why would you make AI only spawn near players and not see the obvious implications of that

[normal lotus]

When they come back they better fix it.

[slender wraith]

comeback?

[normal lotus]

Annual Christmas break.

[slender wraith]

ah

[normal lotus]

Not going to lie they were stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Either release the update and deal with it in a form like public ST (what they're doing now).

Or don't and hear people whinging and complaining.
It was a literal damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

[slender wraith]

its just crazy how the overwheliming majority of the community is not ok with these changes and they still choose to disregard it

[normal lotus]

They...they know. And I'm guessing trying to fix the issues.

Otherwise the update would've been released properly.

[honest anchor]

I wonder if Stam is working differently for different people. Played Beipi today and didn't have any Stam issues

[normal lotus]

Rather than the Stress test that they have now.

[slender wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-speechless-cosby-gif-21799373

[normal lotus]

It may simply be playstyle.

[limber hull]

the only issues people REALLY have with this update is the AI and dilo venom really

[honest anchor]

Maybe. I was back and forth all over the swamp today though, and never really had to rest just for stam

[normal lotus]

Makes sense, that and also a lack of alleviation from the new stamina system.

[limber hull]

i haven't tested beipi but it may have been improved

[slender wraith]

i just used it earlier they still have the dolphin dive drain

[limber hull]

i do know that keeping a full stomach, health and water will increase your stam regen

[honest anchor]

I wasn't trying to cross the map though, either. I may have felt differently if I'd had to do that

[normal lotus]

If they simply made the recharging of stamina be percentage based and not time sat down. It'd be much better than now. @limber hull

At this point though I am kind of tired of people talking about it. Like I get it the ai is bad. It'll be bad for a bit, strap yourself in.

No offense to anyone

[honest anchor]

On the upside, they'll have a lot of data to parse through after break, lol

[normal lotus]

They very much will.

[fathom moth]

ive noticed a few things like the sun/moon transition from the sky is not smooth. It moves in chunks which causes a ton of fps drop

ive noticed at dawn and dusk periods there is a time where the moon and sun are below the horizon which causes the game to get extremely dark for no reason

[normal lotus]

Hm, that may be a bug.

[honest anchor]

Hurricane!

[slender wraith]

So this is the visibility for Deino underwater now ? Cuz so far it’s all im seeing lol

[fathom moth]

also some dino night vision is completely messed up, like i can barely see a few feet in front of me as pteranodon at night

[honest anchor]

Similar to Beipi. I had to use NV underwater.

[fathom moth]

i swear people hack in this game.

i just got carno charged and somehow died even though he was 5+ body lengths away

[limber hull]

you wouldn't be wrong

but that sounds like lag, not hacks

although it might be hacks idk lol

[lucid robin]

there's AI pteranodons now? like, actual pteras, not just pterodactylus?

if so im gonna riot

istg if they add all dinosaurs as ai and dont give server owners the option to disable it...

[limber hull]

apparently they will be able to be disabled, thank god, but there's only ptero atm, not ptera

[lucid robin]

oh PHEW>

i hope there ends up being some no rules servers with no dinosaur AI

and some with no humans

[limber hull]

agreed, dino AI bad

humans good tho

[lucid robin]

nah man, i despise the idea of guns. it's unnatural and either unrealistic or OP (if you dont make it OP, it's unrealistic)

s o

[limber hull]

from what i've tested, they really aren't OP atm

the limitied vision is such an active detriment

with how slow and squishy humans are, their weapons hardly compensate

[rocky vine]

All it takes is a simple google search and you can see carnotaurus was NOT a small game hunter and shouldn’t be treated as one. How is troodon that weighs 65 kg on carno diet and is barely enough to be classified as a ritz cracker for carnos stomach

[limber hull]

This game isn't based on reality lol

Troodon and omni stand as testaments to that

Dilo and herrera too

Google searching what the animal actually did doesn't matter because the animals in this game are changed to fit a desired role

[normal lotus]

The isle isn't paleo accurate. The devs wanted carnotaurus to be a small game hunter, therefore it is in the isle.

[lyric spoke]

Why play carno the small game hunter when you can hunt small and large game as an omni in half the grow time with less upkeep. Unless I'm really supposed to be impressed that a dryo will die from one click with carno instead of two or three from omni which is generous to say considering omni tracks and chases much easier.

[safe hearth]

Does anyone know if the server join bug will be fixed?
that you end up on the server you wanted to go to.

[pseudo solar]

does anyone else get it where when you try to join server (which shows spaces in it) just boots you back to main screen with no reason message? Also if you do it too many times it closes your game completely?

[fierce lintel]

yup

means its full

[midnight heath]

Ideally I don't join servers unless they're 100/100 because at least you'll likely get put into queue rather than the game crashing or just booting you out.

[hybrid mica]

thats on a beach in plains or forest its less

[thick creek]

@warped iris why do u think sense going under 2,5 is bad?

[limber hull]

@blazing badge upvoted based on awesome illustrations alone

[latent olive]

did you tag the wrong person or something

because that person hasnt sent a message for a full year

[limber hull]

nah he just hates that dude

[agile roost]

@blazing badge i love this

[limber hull]

honestly, AI should absolutely spawn in migration zones and not near players

would honestly be the best of both worlds

[glass canyon]

Many new fish species in water Access. Hard to catch but better than 0 fishis.

[thick creek]

bro reacted❌ on my suggestion so wanted to knoiw why, it was to make the sensetivity able to be but under 2,5

i dont see how thats bad

[maiden anvil]

@blazing badge I love your little art!

[dire ridge]

Agreed, if players are near each other, they should eat each other.

[limber hull]

basically yea

[dim arrow]

@dusky shard go fishing. You won't max out your diet as a fresh spawn unless extremely lucky. Stick it out for 2 hours, that's just what it is. Herrera can't move around much so pick an area and stay there, ambushing juvies with bait or just fishing. Certain spots are insane hotspots on the map now. Herra is really fun, I'm sitting with perfect diets rn 15 mins after spawning

[dusky shard]

Are they able to interreact with fish spots? I tried once before and it seemed like my bites weren't connecting to anything

[limber hull]

i keep finding out about people who blocked me for one reason or another through feedback channels lol

[dim arrow]

You're able to catch small fish but get no diets, but it is easy food (if you find any cause who knows how the new AI spawner works)

[fair grail]

@radiant shoal I'd say a factor you're missing in your feedback post is that debatably the Stage 3 of the venom isn't the most oppressive part. My opinion is that the Stage 2 is actually a lot more detrimental in certain ways and lasts far too long. Thats its most egregious issue right now.

[wintry quail]

put my beloved Ai back in again 30 running and then died because well no food to get as juvi Carnivore. You know how it is? Not funny when y spend time in this game and die on starving

[proud coral]

AI sadly only spawn around groups now. So you have to find a hotspot.

It's a horrid change

[wintry quail]

it makes me angry when a master peace gets broke cause of Ideas

[spring storm]

I eat Jackfruit and didnt get Buff

wtf is that dude

[safe hearth]

Agreed too👍 now its too easy with ai

But that food can only be found in migration zones makes Gateway seem pretty dead.
Ai and plants should be anywhere.
that seems more natural.
gateway is not Africa with his migrations.

[radiant shoal]

I think it does last too long for sure. But I still think Dilo is a lot easier to fight off than most people are suggesting. As ive been able to do it consistently with Omni. I watched a friend giggle to himself as he culled dilo after dilo on his carno and as a dilo myself haven’t had very much success against Ceras. Not that I think I’m the end all be all dilo player lol. But compared to its competition dilo doesn’t actually feel all that impressive. But I understand the effects of stage two lasting too long are problematic and agree it’s duration should be reduced.

[icy lion]

@upbeat sigil That's planned

[copper schooner]

what will be the second slot?

[upbeat sigil]

Ohhh awesome 😎

[teal yarrow]

Yeah you are def smoking something

[fair grail]

tbh I think the biggest barrier to fighting basically anything right now is the server latency and choppiness. Trying to hit anything with semi decent agility is a struggle when they jitter and suddenly they're turning the opposite way to how they were originally going, with no telegraphed change before hand

[radiant shoal]

Get gud?🤷🏼‍♀️

[dire ridge]

I heard that now, AI spawn near group of players, meaning any hotspot will have AI around and the rest of the map will have pretty much none. If it really work like that, it defeat the point of AI

[tardy chasm]

#general-feedback message Herrera doesn’t need to be any better than it already is in water imo

It’s unnecessary to make it any better past making fish apart of its diet

[safe hearth]

There is a lot of AI where you spawn.
If you go away from it, it will be difficult to find any

[stone hatch]

Can anyone else not pounce anything as troodon when your next to it? i press right click whenever im close to a juvi dino and i just stand there lol. It doesnt help when the only way to realistically hunt juvies is to get close to them. Troodon pounces too high on a decline and cannot pounce on an incline, it requires almost perfectly flat ground to actually pounce something small, unless ur next to it. Which is somehow impossible now. This on top of the directional pounce changes makes troodon essentially incapable of pouncing any dinos of a similar size to it which is just extremely goofy.

[real star]

Ppl voting for dilo venom nerf are missing an important thing sbjout the venom. It's not the copy that it's damaging you. Its the VENOM!

[untold thistle]

yea they forgot the fact that they are poisoned. They don't like the hallucination... fine make the game boring and we will just put the damage as a DOT that you can't avoid or kill.

congrats you played yourselves

[untold thistle]

I have been unable to land pounces consistently for a min now. I think its the fact that now you can't pounce from the front or back. So when you are fighting something small its nearly impossible to land a side pounce as it skitters around.

I'm sure it was for Omni's on bigger targets but they didnt' think it through and now juvie omni and troodon got screwed. Troodon worse because they need to repeatedly land pounces

[real star]

Exactly 🙄

[stone hatch]

Yep, troodon has to jet itself forward too so you cant really aim a pounce as well

[mortal sequoia]

Has anyone found a fix for the deinos that cant see the Nv underwater like in Lakes. Strange thing is everyone that has a GTX Card has been having the issue

[upbeat sigil]

I love the idea of ai creatures in the trees for Herra to snatch

Herras gameplay style technically creates a great base for something like Microraptor.....

[lucid robin]

XD

[distant tinsel]

do the devs even read the feedback channel?

[lucid robin]

rarely

[distant tinsel]

it really seems like they dont, very strange devs

love the game tho ❤️

[limber hull]

they have a private channel where they review the feedback

they also react to feedback they're interested in with a specific emote to show it's caught their attention

[distant tinsel]

why does so much stuff get missed then 😦

[limber hull]

wdym missed

[distant tinsel]

idk it just seems like alot of the issues players have with the game dont get changed

issues that have been around forever

seems like they want new content more than they want to fix what they have

[limber hull]

the devs don't just do stuff because it gets a lot of upvotes

[distant tinsel]

seems very obvious

[limber hull]

"revert stamina" is a common statement, but they'll never do it, because that's not what the vision of the game entails

[distant tinsel]

some of these things are heavily agreed on by the player base lol, and sure, thats why the player count keeps dropping. they are making a game they like and not a game any playerbase would like. not the first time a game dev team has done something like this, and crashed and burned because of it\

like i said i enjoy the game, but dont let ur bias block u from seeing whats happening here

its just small things that are the worst to be ignored, easily fixed things, you know? food getting stuck on u bugs, things like that

[limber hull]

nah that ain't being ignored

like the bugs are always something they try to address

[distant tinsel]

i just think priorities are wonky here, i guess

hell who knows, they may have very good reason for their dev path

[jovial hazel]

They have a vision and are sticking to it, got to respect it. I just hope they add modding sooner than later. Even if their idea is not dino deathmatch, it's undeniable a lot of people enjoyed it.

[normal lotus]

A lot of things they have been adding are to aid in slowing the game down and making it more survival based. The migrations, stamina changes, among others, will also tie into elder and mutations which are the last pieces of the core gameplay puzzle.

Unfortunately the stamina changes weren't necessarily implemented as well as they could've been. Decreasing food drain or increasing the total storage would work as well. That and also making the recovery percent based and not time rested based (example being you resting at 70% would be much faster than resting at 35% or so)

[stone hatch]

imo this game might become a skyrim situation where community makes a game for the devs

i hope not.

[normal lotus]

It likely won't, if anything people will play on unofficial for DM servers. While officials and some unofficials would be more survival rather than DM.

[stone hatch]

they struck gold with evrima and it shows they can do great things

[distant tinsel]

i like that its headed to a more survival based game, just a rocky road das all

[normal lotus]

It's going to definitely take a while, evrima is completely new territory for the company, and dinosaur survival games in general.

[distant tinsel]

• slowish development hurts

[stone hatch]

i used to be a hater but this development speed is MILES ahead of what it used to be and they are doing great

[distant tinsel]

i think eventually itll be an amazing game

[stone hatch]

great in speed i mean

i disagree with most descisions unfortunately

[distant tinsel]

oh for sure, patches since bepi have been in good time

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message if there was an upper limit to how many clones can be active it would mean less laughing and more darting in and risking a hit in order to meet the same damage output. You got a big pack, it's time for them to pull their weight instead of their clones

[distant tinsel]

thats why i added ish :p

[coarse spruce]

But it would mean solo duo dilophosauruses can perform as they are now

[stone hatch]

i know its rude, but it must be said, i have never seen an indie game community that is so unanimously angry at their devs due to descisions

the community is torch and pitchfork peasants

[normal lotus]

I believe if they get 6 dinosaurs out per year. They could finish the roster by near 2030, 2031. Not including dips or increases in production of them.

[distant tinsel]

lol, wat can ya do

[jovial hazel]

Well the game literally changed 180 degrees in a single update.

[stone hatch]

like nothing comes remotely close

[jovial hazel]

99% of the purpose of playing evrima before was the combat. It looked cool sure.. but the combat was what was fun.

[normal lotus]

Yet that wasn't the intention. It never was.

[jovial hazel]

I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying why people are upset over it.

And it's inevitable.

[coarse spruce]

*the only thing there is to have fun

[stone hatch]

the only things i can think of is like dev teams which are genuinely bad people involved in scandal, but the isle community is always up in arms about dev gameplay implementations instead

[normal lotus]

True, in my opinion they should've addressed it.

[normal lotus]

I mean there have been some scandals in the past. And some infight between devs. This was during the legacy time period.

But yea most talk about how the game is.

[stone hatch]

until elders and maybe humans come, the isle will always be a dino deathmatch game, and the devs are currently just making it harder to do what everyone wants to do already, its a deeper issue

[normal lotus]

Honestly I respect criticism when it isn't "I hate this, get rid of it".

[stone hatch]

i never really hear mentions of that anymore tbh

[normal lotus]

Besides those who just want to hate the team for the sake of it.

[stone hatch]

yeah

[normal lotus]

Mutations are coming up tho. So that's a plus.

Also dryo may be one of the first dinosaurs to be fully completed.

All it needs is its burrowing.

And even now it's in a better place than before, thanks to its new kick

[normal lotus]

Also I'm quite excited for diablo

[stone hatch]

same i think its going to fill a major hole in the ecosystem

[normal lotus]

A decently sized herbivore that can fight well above its weight class. Teno can do the same but diablo does it MUCH better.

[stone hatch]

we have multiple combat focused dinos for carnis, but on herbs we only have teno and pachy which are both nuetered for some reason when they are like the hardest things to play

[stone hatch]

this exactly

[normal lotus]

I mean teno hasn't been neutered all too much recently. I heard stamina may be an issue, but CC resist on its kicks is very good.

[stone hatch]

its still higher risk similar reward to a cera/carno/omni/dilo

i say f it make it able to 1v3 carnos again

[normal lotus]

True, diablo is much lower risk, at least in a 1v1.

[normal lotus]

I say that's a stretch. I could see a Maia doing that, not necessarily a tenonto.

As to why Maia? I believe Maia is chonky enough to eat a carno charge for breakfast and stun the carno.

[stone hatch]

I think it should be capable of winning a 1v3, if your the best teno ever. Imo 1v1 it should be a cera vs carno type matchup where one group can technically win but it’s unlikely and safer to 2v1.

Like if ur 1 carno and see a teno you should not be immediately ready to say f it im gonna fight it

It should be more like “dang i doubt its worth it”

[normal lotus]

Or "if I can get an ambush on it, i could probably deal enough damage to kill it. I'd take damage but it'd be worth.

[stone hatch]

yeah, but i think in an open field 1v1 carno should win that matchup like 10% of the time tbh

[coarse spruce]

I would like it if it could kick while in movement

[normal lotus]

It Can't?

[coarse spruce]

Its a standing still only alt attack

All the alt attacks are standstill only

[normal lotus]

That's its tail slam.

[coarse spruce]

Tailslam is also a standstill attack

[normal lotus]

It's kick is the right click.

[coarse spruce]

We're talking about dryo right? Im confused

[normal lotus]

Teno

Oh wait you were replying to dryo. @coarse spruce @coarse spruce

[coarse spruce]

The message I replied to was about dryo, sorry if I was late

[normal lotus]

Mb. Yea it does have to stay still, doesn't mean the kicks are powerful though.

[coarse spruce]

Apparently its 45 damage

Which is, wow, pretty dang good

[normal lotus]

Really good to punish a cocky herrera

[coarse spruce]

I was under the impression it was 20 damage for attacks across the board

I tried to facetank a herrera as beipi earlier. Ended badly, I don't know how much better a dryo would compete

[normal lotus]

Also I love that ceratosaurus has a lot of power on bodies now thanks to the CC protection on them.

[normal lotus]

Yea Herrera is very squishy, so you gotta time the ambushes

[coarse spruce]

I suck at Herrera even if I never tried to reach adulthood to prove it to myself. But I really enjoy videos of successful ambushes that make it look easy

Oooh but I can't wait for hypsilophodon climbing

[normal lotus]

Everyone is gonna suck at the beginning

[coarse spruce]

Hopefully its the same stuff

[normal lotus]

Also remember Herrera rn is WIP. So when the break is over and they get to work again, a lot issues will be fixed.

[coarse spruce]

Of course of course

[normal lotus]

Also another thing, how you like the new cera? It actually makes cera better at securing a corpse

[coarse spruce]

I've never played Ceratosaurus since the new patch sorry :(

I just like playing as all the little guys

[normal lotus]

Essentially with the corpse buff it has CC protection

[coarse spruce]

CC?

[normal lotus]

Crowd control or stun mechanics.

[coarse spruce]

Like Carno's ram?

[normal lotus]

Yup.

[coarse spruce]

That is pretty neat

Looked like cera was getting bodied by carnos before they re-added the runup requirement for a charge

[normal lotus]

Very neat, it allows for ceratos to actually defend against a carno when on a corpse.

[normal lotus]

Oh yea, that and also cera got knocked down very easily

[coarse spruce]

Whats the lower size limit for bodybuff?

[normal lotus]

I think something around teno or larger. It Can't be grabbed or dragged or the buff doesn't work

[blazing badge]

thank you ❤️

[buoyant folio]

Imagine being in a swarm of these lil guys

[latent olive]

we already have pterodactylus

[buoyant folio]

Not the same. Rhamphorhynchus is smaller, giving the opportunity for larger groups. Also that's a good point. We only have one aerial dino 😔

[latent olive]

no

there is pteranodon which is the playable flier

and pterodactylus, which is the AI flier that is tiny and attracted to corpses

what would be the effective difference between pterodactylus and rhampo

i understand its a cool creature like every other ancient reptile

but is it needed

[buoyant folio]

Why does that matter? When did adding more playables become such a bad idea?

[latent olive]

the end of legacy

[buoyant folio]

That doesn't answer either of my questions 😂

I'm just saying with all the islands and stuff on the new map it'd be cool to have a new flying dino to play

[hidden mist]

Probably in the future. But now if we prioritize quantity over quality there will be an end of evrima too

[latent olive]

which can be achieved by something like tupandactylus, which people really want

sadly the only fliers we know of are ptera, ptero, and quetz

[hidden mist]

Also quetz is planned and I agree to the other person that rhampo niche is almost already taken by pteranodon. I’d honestly doubt that anyone would like to play a 20 kg (or so) flyer, even if it could gather in big groups, because no one even plays troo nowadays

[latent olive]

rhampo is tiny and fills effectively the exact same "niche" as ptero does

if anything, tropeognathus would be better, and even then it would do the same thing ptera does right now

tupandactylus however looks like a big nerd and eats fruits which would be really cool

[hidden mist]

At least he has a good crest on the head if I didn’t mix things up xD

[buoyant folio]

It wouldn't fill the same "niche" because it would be a different dino with different sounds and different attacks. Idk why pteranodon HAS to be the only bird that size but oh well 🤷 agree to disagree ig

[latent olive]

thats not a niche

[buoyant folio]

I mostly want to play it to make the funny sounds it makes in the documentary lol

[latent olive]

a niche is a specific spot in the ecosystem

rhampo would do what, eat fish? scavenge corpses?

cos guess what pteranodon and pterodactylus do

[buoyant folio]

No 🤣🤣 they use their beaks in trees to get bugs and they would need much smaller fish. Maybe adds the possibility for ponds too 🤔

[normal lotus]

Tupa would be a nice herbivorous flier.

[pseudo cosmos]

Why do Hungry Herreras Hang on a Tree?

[normal lotus]

I'd rather an herbivore rather than an insectivore flier ngl.

[barren zephyr]

Not sure why anyone would vote against this??? #general-feedback message

[strange quiver]

Because it would completely destroy community servers that allow for sandbox gameplay-- deathmatches, free grows, etc.

They have to restart frequently as a primary way to clear large amounts of bodies piling up. Go to any main area on those servers and your fps will tank to like, 15 due to how many bodies are laying around.

It can even get that bad on officials. I'd only be okay with something like that on official servers if it's needed once the game is in a more developed state... But again, even officials rely on resets to clear up all of the laggy assets. That's the whole point of server resets.

[kindred flame]

i feel like the corpses should stabilize after their velocity is like 0.5 km/h so that there is less lag

just like it did with the carcasses in Legacy ( mean the bones with meat that caused no lag )

[dawn tree]

more bryan streams

[kindred flame]

@fleet tiger gotta agree, we need more life quality updates, like licking ur wounds to lessen the bleed butur wound may get infected and then you would need to either swim or find a mudd pit to wallow

[fleet tiger]

@dusty elbow you can get rid of that fog by putting your shadows to medium. Ive had the same problem with it almost since gateway first dropped, and just yesterday someone finally told me its a bug with the high/epic shadow setting

[dusty elbow]

Thanks for the tip, but if im having to do that then it really puts me off.

[civic peak]

@fleet tiger You do realize that different people work on different things, yes? The people who work on dinosaur animations aren't going to be working on mutations. Just because dinosaurs are coming out doesn't mean they've halted all work on other aspects of the game, not to mention certain mechanics are TIED to dinosaur releases, such as Dilo's venom, Herrea's climbing, Diablo's sparing. Besides that, wasn't the community just a few months ago bemoaning about how the devs were terrible people because they weren't putting out any dinosaurs? Now we have people complaining that they are releasing dinosaurs. They'll work on the game as they need to. It's going a lot better than when they worked on the Legacy version.

[dusty elbow]

I completely agree with @fleet tiger, I know its a small team that works on different aspects, but this game first dropped in !!!!!2015!!!!! We don't need new dinos. We need gameplay and quality of life systems and this should be prioritised. The fans have had enough of waiting now. Thats the point hes making. Supplications with a new dino that get put into a broken game is not a recipe for success.

[fleet tiger]

Not once in my post did I say that they've halted progress on anything other than new dinos, and the unique mechanics for dinosaurs(sparring, venom, etc) don't have anything to do with the core gameplay. The animals can have all of the unique and interesting mechanics in the world, but it doesn't change that the core gameplay loop is boring. And don't confuse me with the screaming mass of people who wanted new dinosaurs; I have always firmly believed that the core gameplay loop should come before any new playables

[civic peak]

But they are working on core gameplay aspects. Just because it's not in your hands right now doesn't mean it's not a work in progess. They've already discussed how mutations are nearly done, which they've stated ties into nesting, and how the elder system is being worked on.

It's still this idea of "You must do as I say or you are bad dev. Make my game my way!"

Which is pretty much what they did when they first started the game in 2015. Everyone demanded new dinosaurs so they pushed them all out, then when they actually went in to add mechanics it was a disaster because it was so difficult to stamp out the bugs that cropped up. They've come a long was since those days and they have genuinely learned since those early days. Evrima already has more depth than Legacy does now.

[dusty elbow]

Na, we dont need Mutations and all that bollocks rn, just the AI to work would be nice, or how about some stamina? Its not "make my game my way" as you say, we just want a game, they took my money nigh on ten years ago, so lets have something that works please. Other than that, take the game off of the market, complete it and then sell it, dont give us the early access dumpster fire speeches

[low canopy]

Early access & work in progress are ways to deflect every criticism about the game, nothing more

[dusty elbow]

agreed

[civic peak]

And here is the "You can't please everyone example". Geeky here doesn't even want any core mechanics, they just want certain things to be fixed. I'm not saying that the game or the devs are beyond criticism, but the idea of "Halt all progress to do these one or two things" is pretty silly, especially when everyone is going to have vastly different ideas on what those things are.

Some people want core mechanics, some people want Rex, some want old stam, some want diets, some want burrowing

The core machnics and gameplay loop are coming, the fixes are coming, more dinosaurs are coming, humans are coming.

[dusty elbow]

I just want the basic gameplay to be fixed, I just dont think adding new concepts into a game that cant function its most basic programming is progressive! Plus the devs take out as much development per patch as they implement so this game isnt going anywhere fast. BTW I listed two examples of an extensive list, I dont think its just those "two". I do want concepts but building it on a good foundation should be prioritised.

[civic peak]

I guess I just see them building on that foundation. It's not like bugs won't be fixes, those will always be a work in progress.

I know the devs have said they wre working on changes regarding stamina, they are just working on balancing and stuff

[fleet tiger]

If you had read the whole post I wrote instead of just the first sentence, you'd know I brought up and gave credit to elders and mutations being worked on. I'm aware that features like them are being worked on, and I wholeheartedly agree that they are steps in the right direction. I don't claim to know what the inner workings of the dev team are, but I do know what I can see publicly; which is that new playables are the main thing being added, when the core gameplay is still severely lacking. Diablo sparring and dilo venom won't fix that. Even if they make the perfect playable with completely unique mechanics,if the core game loop is still boring, it doesn't matter. Like I said, in two and a half, almost three years, we've gotten thirteen new playables, compared to maybe four new gameplay mechanics. And only about five of them have any kind of "foundational" mechanic tied to them. THAT is the issue I'm trying to highlight, not anything as juvenile as "make the game my way or bad dev".

[midnight heath]

@lethal ruin That just happens sometimes, going back out to the species selection and back in tends to fix it.

[dusty elbow]

I think they make the mistake of trying to do just that, please everyone, but actually pleasing no one.

[civic peak]

Do they? (Looks at people demanding stam go back and the devs saying no)

They went I think, over a year with no new playables despite people demanding new playables

I dunno, I haven't really seen any evidence of them just doing what people want?

They do listen to feedback, but I'd never say they try to please everyone.

[dusty elbow]

Look at the numbers, they dont lie my friend. Feedback is hugely critical. Look at the player base over time, dont take my opinion. The stats are out there. Do a bit of digging and youll see what state the game is in. I understand you defending this potentially beautiful game as I once did, but all im waiting on is unfulfilled potential, 9 years worth.

[civic peak]

What stats? What am I even looking for? Do you have a spreadsheet or something?

I guess I'm just in a different mindset as you. I've been in this game since nearly the beginning. I've seen their work on Legacy and their work on Evrima. It's like night and day, and unlike in legacy there is progress. Legacy was a legit mess, with almost no steps towards actual gameplay.

To take a look at the game you've worked on for years and to make the decision to start over couldn't have been an easy one. They could have abanonded it and said "eh, good enough".

From my perspective they've looked at the mistakes they've made in legacy and learned from them. There is actual progress being made.

Which is something I wouldn't have imagine from the isle 4 years ago.

[midnight heath]

Genuinely this, most game devs who don't care do just leave it at "it's good enough" and roll in the money they get from it.

[dusty elbow]

Start with the Dev report from the last patch, look at what they removed and you'll realise not that much progress has been made. Were still in a loop of progression/ regression. Did we need Herrera or did we need AI fix, Did we Need a new map or did we need hitbox fixes? Do we need Diablo or do we need diet system balance?

[dusty elbow]

I would agree with that

[midnight heath]

I've sat down and watched Dondi go through bug fixes and attempt to fix them on stream

[civic peak]

I guess I just don't see why you think these things aren't being worked on?

[midnight heath]

they do fix things but things aren't always that simple, fixing one things breaks 10 other things while they could just move forward and worry about much smaller things later on. The game is playable, the AI issue I'm sure will be fixed shortly but that aside it is a playable game that a lot of people still enjoy as is.

[civic peak]

I'll disagree with decisions devs make (still think Ptera stam needs reworking), but as for as their progress goes, I've been enjoying it.

[midnight heath]

I'm happy at least PT is getting something even if it wasn't a rework for it's stamina.

Beipi hopefully gets something too at some point

[dusty elbow]

Im sure they are being worked on, but it gets frustrating when we get another new dino but you get stuck in a terrain hole and die.

[civic peak]

I expect core mechanics for gameplay loop to come out when they are ready. These are CLEARLY going to take more time, hence why we only got 4 of the base mechanics over three years.

[desert arch]

If the animators and QA have finished their work on that dino why wouldnt they release it? Dinos arent being worked on by the same ppl that do bug fixes.

[dusty elbow]

Im very well aware

[civic peak]

I mean, Spiro had those too. Heck, I was playing Ancestors and dropped through a hole in the map and that game is finished, lol. Bugs are a constant battle. You fix one thing and three more things are broken.

[midnight heath]

Holes in the map are annoying but not game breaking

I get stuck in a hole maybe once every 40 lives

[dusty elbow]

I also agree, but the game is currently broken and its ok to be unhappy about that and feel frustrated.

[midnight heath]

Rule of thumb: Waterfalls are a no-no, climbing up funky rocks is a no-no, trying to Skyrim horse your way up terrain is a no-no.

[dusty elbow]

dont take it all to literally, it was an example

[midnight heath]

Saying it's game breaking is a big claim though

The game isn't broken, before the newest AI issue the game was very much playable.

Even with the new AI issue it's playable

It's just not ideal

[dusty elbow]

yes I agree, but im talking about its current status

[civic peak]

It is, your feelsing are your own. I was pretty unsatisfied with Legacy 4 years ago and stopped playing the game because of it. I think people are also trying to get you to understand that devs are away, they are trying to fix it, and to have a touch of patience. Don't like the state of the game now? Give something else a go and come back in a few months to check on it's progress. I do that all the time.

[dusty elbow]

dude, the game is broken AF rn lol, its playabe just, but who wants to put up with that

[civic peak]

It's rough, you want a game that is complete and playable, but them something happens and now it sucks. give it some time, see how the devs manage it.

[dusty elbow]

Trust me im patient, but its also the general mood towards the game

[midnight heath]

I think saying it's broken AF is just overly dramatic, it's a WIP yes I'm not sure what you expect; the game isn't finished but it is playable. Again plenty enjoy the game still, bugs and all and are excited as it develops.

Being overly critical of a game that's still in progress isn't healthy for the community or the developers.

[dusty elbow]

yeh, so take it off the market, develop it without pressure and sell it once its completed

[civic peak]

I mean, it can be that way for a lot of EA games. I've got several on my list I'm not even playing because they aren't in a state that I'd enjoy them, but I wanted to financially support the devs.

[midnight heath]

How else will they be able to pay for the time they're off making a game if they're not being financed?

[civic peak]

And i don't disagree with that mindset. There are pros to that method of working, but there are cons to it as well.

[midnight heath]

Us paying for the WIP game is how they're able to work on it.

[dusty elbow]

I disagree, Ive played since 2015 and I know when the game is broken

[midnight heath]

How is it broken, genuinely please, what do you define as broken?

[dusty elbow]

go play it

[cyan flame]

If you've played since then, you'd know the game has been in far worse states than currently

[midnight heath]

That's a poor argument

[dusty elbow]

thats not what i said, I said i know when its broken, not that its at its worst

[cyan flame]

Is it a bit of a mess currently, sure, but is it broken/unplayable, not really.

[midnight heath]

Erik gets it

[civic peak]

Mmmm, i played yesterday and had a fine experience? I'd need more than "Go play game"

[cyan flame]

My point was more so that this state can not be considered broken, compared to some other times

[midnight heath]

Now the previous issue on Spiro where ping was 600 consistantly for a month that was unplayable

[civic peak]

I know what things need work on, and there are clearly things that weren't even finished with the update, but it's far from broken.

[dusty elbow]

Ok, you need more convincing that the gen pop player base is unhappy, GO LOOK AT THE REVIEW OF THE LAST PATCH NOTES

[dusty elbow]

my definition of broken could degree more than yours

[midnight heath]

I personally don't agree with everything the devs do or everything currently with the game but I enjoy the game as many others do and I'm excited to see it grow.

[midnight heath]

That's why it's important to define your definition of broken when arguing, otherwise it doesn't go anywhere.

[cyan flame]

Fair enough, it absolutely could

[dusty elbow]

These are my wishes for The Isle, I would like to see that the basic gameplay issues are resolved and prioritised over new assets, for example BUT NOT IN FULL are, AI bug fixes so people can survive, Hosting issues resolved, hitboxes fixed, just some basic things sorted. The game in its CURRENT state, although playable, is unenjoyable. I wish to see the game fulfill it potential, its a beautiful game but far from perfect. I think these are totally reasonable wishes for the game given the time scale and money its received by way of early access.

[barren zephyr]

All they'd have to do is add a wipe corpse button and that issue would be completely solved. People have been begging for that functionality for years, since update 2.

[civic peak]

Welp, I've got holiday junk to go do, but no matter if we have agreed or disagreed over this conversations, I really do hope folks have a good day. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or just good day if you don't celebrate.

[sage sun]

@full canopy what do you mean "vote with your wallet"? Are peple supposed to un-buy the game?

Why would the devs care if people aren't playing the game after they payed for it?

[normal lotus]

Blame the people who used it to insult the crap out of people.

[steep creek]

I think you overestimate this server.

[cyan smelt]

#general-feedback message
Oof, faster hunger drain would kill any carnivore who dares leave a hotspot 10x faster, ai isn't reliable for every dino

[tropic stream]

I have a remark to make: all herbivores eat all plants, called (preferred food) but this creates a problem, the smallest and fastest arrive first and reduce the quantity of food available, then the means and finally the bigger, the last ones to arrive in the migration zone have almost nothing to eat even though they consume the most, I think it would be really interesting if there was a "Real favorite food" each species would target a kind of plant more than any and everyone could feed it; example hypsy= marigold, pachy= coconut; mango tenon etc... even if everyone can eat what they want to choose just one kind more than the others would give more nutrients

[north quiver]

how about we tune up the migration a bit by instead increasing the size of the migration zone, adding multiple to choose from, and adding plants around the map similar to spiro’s plant placement in addition to the migrations

also changing it from changing via % eaten to a hard time limit of 1-2 hours and have food respawn

being forced to stay in highlands for the entirety of my 5-6 hour stego growth was literal swampass and insufferably boring

[midnight heath]

Dilo is so easy to grow popped into a 6/100 server at East plains and AI did spawn around, enough for me to get a perfect diet at least.

[hidden mist]

@wraith folio finally someone said it! Also these random fps drops at sunsets/sunrises which last for an in-game hour bruh. And still no fixes after a MONTH, since Gateway horde-test. Implementing engine assets be fun I guess

Btw did devs already go on holidays? How long it will take?

[wraith folio]

Yeah the fps drops really annoys me so i just said it and hopefully it will get fixed.

[wraith folio]

I think they did not sure tho?

[hidden mist]

I already started to lose my hope tbh xd #general-feedback-discussion message this has been in Gateway since its start… And not only I get this, I saw at least 4 youtubers who can get 100 fps on average but at sunrises/sunsets they also get this. Also played with people who get this too, mweh

[wraith folio]

im usally at like 70-80 and once it stike bam down to 30 and then back up, happens to my friend too!

[hidden mist]

You mean the lightning? Yep ikr if so

[boreal briar]

I was going to make my next feedback suggestion to add multiple migration zones, right next to eachother. Maybe 2 or 3 zones for different species, but it means a whole portion of the map should have active players, instead of stuffed into a single MG zone (assuming carnivores ever go there)

[thick creek]

@proud coral why not the points thing

[proud coral]

Personally, I've always preferred that apexes should simply have a difficult life cycle rather than artificial difficulty limiting how many there are. Not saying it's a bad idea of course, it should just be an absolute last resort if they somehow can't get apexes balanced enough to not be around every corner

Also reminds me a little of how progression felt with the whole "you wanna play this dino? Here, play all these dinos you couldn't care less about first"

[thick creek]

what i was thinking was this, If apexes are just hard to grow, people will just try over and over again. If younhave to take a break from it to have abetter chance people would not try apex over and over again

[proud coral]

I never really saw much issue with people trying over and over again. Though if it ends up truly becoming a big enough issue (like something similar to right now with Dilos being EVERYWHERE and nothing else), then it'd prolly work. I'd just rather they try out other alternatives first 👉👈

[slender nymph]

What if there was a sleep feature, similar to when you log out, but instead of that it would cause you to grow faster and regen health and stamina faster at the cost of a large increase to food and water drain (as if it were speeding up time for that specific player). This could help get rid of some long waiting times and make the game more engaging. It would also make how fast you can grow your dinosaur more reliant on skill (how efficiently you can find food and water) and less reliant on time.
Any thoughts?

[inner rose]

I swam the entire river from water access to the northest plain, I didn't find a single school of fish... my friends died, there was nothing to eat, we caught two big ones but we couldn't eat them, we lost a deino... stupid bugs

[finite halo]

is the game is choppy for me only? i mean with deino if u swim its like some screen chop every 2 mins

its like it brings me mili sec back where i was

[forest swan]

yes, there's currently a lot of people suffering from rubberbanding (teleporting back several steps) and choppiness

[frozen pivot]

@still sinew a foaming in the mouth effect for prion diseases would be pretty cool

[daring shell]

incentivized* it's a hard word so I understand the misspelling. Just wanted to provide its correction for the shiggles.

[still sinew]

hekk yea!! I'm editing that in!!

[still sinew]

it's not a hard word but disc seems to think that "incentivize" is incorrect and spell checks it. just assumed it was correct and moved on. . . serves me right trusting discs spell check. xDD

[daring shell]

I can't trust discord to spell check it at all xD

Hate it when it makes me second guess my sanity though, then you start looking at a word so much it looks wrong even if it's right.

[still sinew]

YES, THIS!! Can't tell you how many times I second guess and then just say hekk it - I'll google it. xD

and then it was right the first time and I just start hearing white noise

[daring shell]

Who needs those hertz videos when you've got this? xD

[boreal nymph]

can we talk about the horrible artifacts that goes on at lower resolutions, its like made up apparitions are occurring in the foliage.

[radiant nest]

Make sure to manually enable lumen, VraptorK has a good video on YouTube for that from 6.5, and it still works

[prisma ermine]

@slender wraith the stamina issue was resolved wdym

[boreal nymph]

its not in the settings?

or do you mean lumen high / epic

[latent olive]

@pine dock giving dilo cannibalism would make megapacks of dilos

[static niche]

Dilo megapacks will stop existing when the hype of it is over, no need to make it cannibal

[latent olive]

cannibalism is literally a straight buff

[pine dock]

valid

[latent olive]

if a member of your dilo pack dies trying to fight something, you now have a full corpse to satisfy not only the dilo that respawns, but also everyone else in your pack

just kill another juvenile dilo, eat organs, ride the wave to adult

there would be endless dilophosaurs everywhere

[karmic copper]

Is au 1 down rn?

[dire ridge]

Cannibalism is kind of a double edge sword. In case of dilo, it will just make them thrives. Losing a dilo to another dilo is less of a big deal than losing your deino to another deino for example

[limber hull]

@prisma ermine that's confirmed, we even know that dinosaurs will hear a specific "radio static" filter over human VC that makes them unable to understand human speech

we don't know if gen 1 will get VC, but I hope it does

[urban flax]

@gray oak That's the exact recipe to make the system completely unworkable with and impossible to balance properly. If everything is tied to weight, then it becomes all that matters and no value can be individually changed.

[limber hull]

deinosuchus having a similar thirst drain to stegosaurus due to their weights is as funny as it is horrifying

[urban flax]

Juvie carno having the exact same stats as a FG cera because they're the same weight

[limber hull]

lmao

it also just makes everything less unique

niche don't matter because weight determines all things

[gray oak]

sure it could, its just changing the input to something else then the regular system and making a outlier

but in general it fixes everything, small things have stam to work with(insta fixes most small playables that cant be rlly played rn) , big things have to play it more carefully with their limited energy

infact its way easier, they only have to change 1 dino manually , instead of all of them

way les workload

cuz 9/10 times, it will work

and it also adds a certain difficulty curve to the game, easy mode = small creatures, lots of stam , u will be forgiven for poor management of it in most cases and hard mode = the big things, where you need to know how to manage your meters

no more 90% rex population if they cannot handle growing one

(legacy things atm = 90% rex)

might also indirectly combat overpacking on the bigger things down the road, since it would be unviable to feed so many

[limber hull]

it completely disregards niche though. animals like deino need a fast thirst drain to keep them in the water, but being opportunistic ambush predators, can't also have extremely fast food drain

[gray oak]

true but what is faster, doing them all manually (while most of them would benefit from just being linked to a general weight system) , or just to do the deino manually in this case

its the same situation rlly, some things still need to be balanced, but mayority of the roster would automaticly balance out

so it reduces workload no?

or am i seeing that wrong

like any way u slice the cake, it reduces workload in every scenario

also i believe that the gateway stam we currently got should be like stego weight levels, and anything lighter should have enchanced regen, and anything heavier should be worse then stego , so that u get that management thing going (ofc ai etc would need to be fixed for this to be viable, atm its starve sim unless ur at ne plains or a herbivore with immortality grazing)

[gray oak]

i mean this is just basics, hunger/thirst drain , stamina regen. Everything is still unique.

troodon still is a poison pouncer, dilo will still be a hallucinater etc etc

[limber hull]

i mean... again, it doesn't work because it fails to account for niche

[gray oak]

but niche can be seperated from the main system

and is still less work

[limber hull]

some animals are built to be hungrier or thirstier dependent on their environments and styles of obtaining food

do what's better, not what's easier

[gray oak]

do whats more efficient imo

so that future update can be done easier aswell

[limber hull]

i disagree

you're essentially screwing over anything that hunts uniquely

[gray oak]

how so

[limber hull]

anything that doesn't coincide with the basic "chase prey and kill it" is doomed.

also, a rex having similar thirst drain to a deino is just absurd

[gray oak]

not really? who says hunger drain and thirst drain has to be higher when your heavier and not lower? they are not very mobile creatures andhave to take their time to hunt?

i only said link it, now how

not*

i think its intresting to keep little things on the move with their bulks of stam (+ they can get way more out of a single kill)

prevents bush sitting , and it gives bigger things a realistic chance to hunt

especially ambushing can take like 15 min-30 min tryna camp a spot hoping ur gut feeling was right on traffic

imagine starving in that time XD

as a ambush predator lmao

[limber hull]

okay, then herrera gets screwed, because it's small and relies on ambush

[gray oak]

depends how far you think the drains should differ

[limber hull]

and then deino can literally just be a land croc with no penalty because its thirst drain is similar to a rex's due to its massive weight

[gray oak]

from small to huge, that curve needs configuration , but after u can just hook the mayority onto it

[limber hull]

if the drains don't differ much at all, why link them to weight at all? Just give everything the exact same food and water drain rate

[gray oak]

and niece things like croc, yeh seperate that, its a unique situation

[gray oak]

because it does differ, i didnt say it should be that short, actually thats probably the hard part of this entire suggestion, to get that curve to curve properly

like herra would have alot of stam and can tree hop at that point , quite mobile

no shot it wont get a fish at early age , or a headshot on a juvi as a adult

thats bad luck or skill issue depending on availability of prey

[limber hull]

then seperate everything, because everything has a unique niche

we have ambushers, pursuers, endurance hunters, semi-aquatics, burrowers, climbers, coastal creatures, plains creatures, so on, so forth. Niches should always be accounted for

much more than weight

[gray oak]

not really, like u said the croc has to dry out on land, else its too much, thats just game balance, and thats a seperate thing, but dinosaurs will still be able to utilise their special abilities and playstyles

also what i said about the food , seems to make sense

[limber hull]

i think just ignore weight, because you've genuinely made a greater balance nightmare than just custom making it per creature niche

[gray oak]

idk, i think hooking it to 1 thing u can modify easily and wide across the board, then having to do a few niece creatures seperately. Is anything but a nightmare

i think you are seeing a issue im not seeing

wich is odd.. cuz im sure i read what you just said

only concern i have rlly is juvies and their weights , cuz i didnt simulate that yet

probably gonna need a flat line on that to not make hunger/thirst insta drain a baby , like a cap on how hard it can drain

think that fixes that concern

[limber hull]

or just make it niche based lol

[gray oak]

nah, why go hard if u can go easy and effective

[limber hull]

because easy isn't effective

[gray oak]

dont work harder, work smarter

[limber hull]

the fact we're already finding this many problems should show that

[gray oak]

wich is probably because they are currently doing them 1 by 1

further cementing my point actually 😛

unless im wrong in that assumption that its done 1 by 1 and is already hooked up to some sort of system

[limber hull]

they are doing it 1 by 1, but idk why you assume that's difficult

[gray oak]

i dont assume, i just look at current state of the game and its telling

im a observer

and i think its fair to raise concerns when my observations tell me this is gonna take forever otherwise, + its gonna aggitate people playing smaller things if they forget to balance it , like pt for example in its current state (idk if its fixed with the dilo update cuz i didnt try yet)

[limber hull]

pt legit isn't that bad lol, if you know how to glide, you can go at it for ages

[gray oak]

dont defend it 😛 its terrible and u know it

[limber hull]

worst part about it is the AI spawns, which was a bad idea from the getgo

[limber hull]

its not, because i played it

[gray oak]

i played it also, i suicided after 3x stam regen

[limber hull]

it having stamina regen and stamina based on "size" would just make it effectively immortal

[gray oak]

it was nowhere near engaging

u can barely catch a few fishies , and u lost a hour of your life doing fishing mechanic , it punishes you fornot being like "hey if i land here, swim and bite i have fish"

[limber hull]

i mean... more effectively immortal than it already is

[cyan flame]

@gray oak Could you maybe give a few examples of how you mean for the balance do be done with various size and tier examples? So its easier to understand what you mean with linking things 1:1 and all?

[gray oak]

the cost for the little guys are too expensive, yet we have teno's crying their tailslam cost 6%???

bro , thats half a troodon jump i think

[limber hull]

the tailslam costs 8%, which is far too much, absolutely

troodon jump is like, 5%, but that's universal. Jumping seems to cost around 5% for all creatures

[gray oak]

8% is just fine, you only have to hit it once properly to kick finish

[limber hull]

tailslam costing 8% and kick costing 6% is absurdly too high

[gray oak]

itsnot

[limber hull]

it makes those two attacks (bar carno charge and deinosuchus lunge and alt-bite) the two most expensive attacks in the game

and carno charge is also another issue of "an attack costing far too much"

[gray oak]

see this is where i have my gripe with, you just advocated that smaller things shouldnt have those benefits but then u want a heavy creature to be cheaper in its costs on stuff? why?

it feels contradictory and i just semi- bluescreened in my head

[limber hull]

i never said smaller things shouldn't have those benefits, i said tenontosaurus should not be punished for using its primary viable attacks

[cyan flame]

Because size is not the only factor for a playable

You have to look at what the playable need to function and how that works for balance vs other critters

[gray oak]

bassicly
hunger/thirst higher if you are ligher, lower if you arebigger
Stam regen time , higher if you are bigger, and lower if you are smaller

Small things can zip around, but have to eat frequently
Big things have theirmobility being slow , factored in, and have more time to hunt

Then u fix the few nieces and set them seperately on another system like deino.

and ofc a cap on how fast your regen can get (juvi/babies)

same for food drain (so they dont insta starve)

[limber hull]

lets look at an example

carno is nearly the same weight as teno, yet has barely close to the same swimming stamina and swimming speed as tenonto, because tenonto is better adapted to it. With weight = stam, both could swim for equal times, despite tenonto being designed to live an aquatic life, whereas carno is literally a dense muscle beast

[gray oak]

wait carnos can swim now? werent they like superrr slow

also after seeing a rex cross the ocean in the last docu that came out, i dont think u should be using swimming examples

but fr carno faster in water now 0.o ?

[limber hull]

no

thats not even close to what i said

[gray oak]

i mean ur tryna go down a path with that to suggest individual tinkering is better cuz teno should get those swiming advantages, yeah sure? i only said link hunger/water/stamina , not how much swimming speed or swimming drain etc

these are individual parameters that wouldnt work across the board , but the main thing and main complaint ( hunger drain , stam regen ) would be adressed in general

and once again, maybe that makes teno a niece

[limber hull]

swimming drain is stamina

wow its almost like all animals have some level of niche and trying to make them all the same with numbers will only lead to a balancing nightmare

[gray oak]

yes but what does that have to do with stamina regen time

the swim drain

i never said to put anyones speed on it , that would break everything obviously

only hunger/thirst/staminaregen

everything else is individual when a dino is being designed

like i get your concern but i feel most of those concerns are overthink moments where you forget that i am not targetting those specific things at all with this suggestion ( and dw dev dont read what i write, so its just you and me babbling xD)

[limber hull]

okay but individualising some stats while trying to make stuff like stam consistent is just bizarre

[limber hull]

they do, they read basically all feedback

[gray oak]

maybe but we wouldnt be in this shitstorm if they did this already on spiro, because then the dinos like pt etc wouldnt have been as bad when gateway released

and for clarification, im fine with stam system atm, and i play omni

only issue is those meters are going too krayzie, and needs a complete overhaul after they changed stamina, cuz aint no way they changed that thinking it would all just work out, everything else had to be equally adjusted to accomodate the slower pace of gameplay

but im de-railing. I think i spoke my mind , and i heard you out. So thanks for a discussion it gives me stuff to think about, but atm i still stand firm on it working wide-scale.

maybe il see where you are coming from after digesting your take on it

i changed the suggestion, some of your point were very true.

[dusky shard]

I need to ask this question for anyone that wants to kinda join in and just chatter about it, but..

Has anyone, at all seen a Stego player after the map's been out for some time?

[desert arch]

Most are at highlands and the swamp

you wont really see stegos anywhere else

[dusky shard]

Wait, swamp really?

[desert arch]

saw some adults at ne lake, but those are rare

[desert arch]

yeap

[dusky shard]

Ive not seen like.. a Wiff of a stego after the map's been out for a bit. Though when it comes to swamp, im surprised there's actually people mucking around swamp. Usually when I go there it's dead empty

[desert arch]

when gateway first came out there used to be armies of stegos at highlands haha

the numbers have definetly dropped since then though

[dusky shard]

Right like, im so used to a server just having a phantasm of Stego's all running around, back in Enirva and stuff. Now like said before just... Nada

I mean granted the new Dinos made it where 80% of people are Dilos. But even before then it was like.... 20% crocs and a good portion ceras

[heavy ermine]

the servers are ass

[limber hull]

@opaque inlet the mixpacker's delight

[urban flax]

Only Gen 1 should be able to ride dinos
And even then, imo they should only be able to ride zombie dinos

[opaque inlet]

This is true, it would be encouraging mixpacking between humans and another dino.

Though, I am not entirely against the concept of mix-packing as long as it's within the developer's intentions and programmed to be balanced. Right now, any inter-species mixpacking is not intended and not balanced.

But I'd love to see more INTENDED beneficial species interactions. Like, y'know those birds that pick food out of croc's teeth? I'd love to see something like that, where bird gets food and deino gets, I dunno, some kind of very very tiny reduction in food consumption or some random non-combat buff, just something fun, but that takes a level of trust for the croc not to eat you.

I actually like inter-species positive interactions, just mixpacking is currently not intended and currently not balanced if done.

My first thought is that ptera would pick food from deino's teeth since it eats everything deino eats, aside of rotten food anyway.

And isn't much food for a deino to eat, just like in real life the tiny birds that clean their teeth are not very much food for the croc either

If we have anything small enough that it eats bugs, it would be cool if it could 'pick ticks' off of a bigger dino like stego

[lyric spoke]

@shy adder It's rlly not that bad imo. Teno can infinitely use claws now which are pretty deadly. I would like to see teno tail cost be 7% instead of 8% but it doesn't need to have 20 slams and 30 kicks like before. Or they can increase rear attack damage which is equally better. It's also arguably the easiest dino to regain stamina with in combat since it's defensive.

[stark spire]

Didnt they just buff tenos stamina also??

I swear i was able to kick and tail slam a lot more than in Spiro lol

[cobalt galleon]

Wait didn't they take away deino's water senses/bubbles

so you cant detect when something is drinking

with the cyan bubbles?

[upper surge]

does anyone wanna tell me why tf u wanna kill babies with corpses littering the floor?

for food? when thers 50 other bodies around? for the excitement of a fight even tho u sitting there like a lil bish on a 100% growth killing fresh spawns??? yk what this game needs the most? a better playerbase thats the issue with it cant even have fkn bones without getting slaughtered

every last server pack with dickheads

[chilly sinew]

i ll explain to u it s bc when the baby grows up he s gonna want vengeance

[earnest phoenix]

You made a dino called Hera. It gets hungry x5 faster than other dinos and constantly asks for water. It is the dino that dies the most from thirst and hunger, but the game management is probably kidding. I guess the bug of raptors and troodons falling down after jumping on the enemy without damaging them, with all their stamina smoked, will never be fixed?! Constant audio stuttering bug everywhere?! Make the map bigger, it's less, don't get stuck every 50 meters while doing it, put the rocks, will the hole in the northeast be fixed? It's like GM created a game to make fun of?! I made altf4 from the game because there is a bug in my ability to press 2 and sit down when I press H. The game is a huge bug box, it seems like you did it to shake my nerves, it's complete nonsense.
At the beginning of the game it says 60/100, it does not enter the server, it is full, you are like a joke, is the number of players updated every 30 minutes?!

[blissful lance]

100% agree to not have storing characters on servers. As much as I'd like to be able to swap between species without losing one in favour of another, it would absolutely be abused by people who get that little bit too salty when they get killed.

[hidden mist]

They could add a cooldown for stored species (like you can’t play it for 1 hour after getting killed/safe logging), but yep I mostly agree that stored species idea is probs bad in general.

[cerulean ferry]

It is atrocious in PoT I had someone come back three times as a pycno and I was an allo. I killed him the first two (lol, bro could not handle the fact that an injured allo kicked his ass twice) and then I was literally one hit away from death and running as I heard footsteps closing in for a third time. If PoT players are that salty with it, isle players would be 100x worse

[prisma ermine]

I want it to have VC so bad, I'm already sick of constantly typing for coordination

[fierce lintel]

#general-feedback message deinos cant even spawn at east plains, let alone get there safely 😭

and yeah, headbutting is pachys mechanic

[turbid spear]

is there somthing i can do to fix the audio cutting in and out or not?

[past notch]

Game clipping over and over, Audio clipping out, AI not spawning, Textures Breaking, Migration not working, DIlo and Herra being some of the only Dinos you see (if you see anyone, haha huge map...still only 100 players) Rivers not connecting properly so Deino are stuck in their spawn location for the most part without risking death each time they want to move (which is fine if there was more AI...) Literally nothing spawning unless you go to the 1-2 spots everyone gathers leading to death every 30 minutes from starvation....yeah, game is in a broken state, just in time to rake in those Christmas buyers, am I right? ...time to leave probably the only negative review I've ever left on a game so people don't come into it hoping for something and getting the nothing sandwich it has become.

[icy lion]

@surreal musk The screenshot you posted is caused by the Effects setting being set to Medium or Low. Double check your settings/try applying them while in the main menu

[surreal musk]

Yeah I've tried that however the was no changes therefore I uninstalled and reinstalled, yet even so this should not happen to a game that is high quality such as the isle.

This sort of thing happening strongly deters for the game and it's unfortunate it happened

[glacial breach]

Same thing happened to me the other day and I didn't even touch anything on the graphics

[blissful wren]

I don’t understand why the stamina was changed to begin with and i don’t understand why they don’t seem to be acknowledging it

[cyan flame]

They have, there were statements in the devblog about it. As for why, they want to slow the pace of the game down. No more running everywhere all the time, and so on. The current state isn't final from what I know, and there will be more adjustments, such as maybe better regen if you have more stamina left and so on.

[still sapphire]

Official server's are better, since a lot of unofficial servers give out free growing the players tend to be worse players and more careless. When they have to worry about reaching adult again they tend not do this *as much.

Second, with the exception of this update* with screwed up ai spawns. We have a major issue of players who refuse to engage with the game, of course being carnivores.

Players will complain about hunger. Yet as a juvi you have your diet you start with that lasts for nearly an hour. So you have an hour where you can eat anything just for hunger with no downsides. These players refuse to eat anything not on their diet and choose to starve.

They complain about dying of thirst yet refuse to look up or memorize where water is.

Complain about stamina yet as again when you are a juvie you have stamina that lasts nearly forever allowing you to easily relocate half way across the map! Wherever you spawn you could easily get to the place you want to go with zero issue.

So instead they all decide to spawn in one location to have a constant PvP fight as juvies because they refuse to learn how to play the game.

Herbivores play the game right. They head to migration zones to grow. A subset of carnivore players can't comprehend, to get food that are players that they also have to go to migration zones. Just like real life....you know the "realistic" bs comment that gets thrown around?

Since a majority don't do this, many of the migration zones are dominated by packs of impenetrable Herbivores. If you manage to kill one the rest will camp the body.

Easy solution is actually engage with the game. Herbivores HAVE to go to migration zones. So carnivores HAVE to go to migration zones as well to find food. "But Toast I don't find herbivores at the-" shhh! Guess what? 80 of the players shouldn't be playing carnivores now should they? Yeah, game where you don't always get to play what you want. How sad...

[blissful wren]

I just think it’s a moronic change and the devs are morons for it

[limber hull]

it's a perfectly valid change

[blissful wren]

No it’s not stop being delusional

[still sapphire]

You are a moron

[blissful wren]

No i’m not

[limber hull]

calling the devs morons isn't gonna make them suddenly change their ways lol

[blissful wren]

I wasn’t talking to the devs, was I?

[still sapphire]

Troodon just gave a reason why you are a moron

[limber hull]

you were

lmao

[cyan flame]

Well, you're free to dislike it, but there are reaons for the change, and they do make sense for what the devs are going for.

[still sapphire]

I'm sorry, do you not like being called a moron.....interesting...

[blissful wren]

Why do you love the devs so much? Did they suck you off? Pay you? Save your family?

They’re idiots and egotists

Especially dondi

[still sapphire]

Are you a bratty little child spewing mucus out of your nose?

[blissful wren]

No, i’m a frog jumping around aimlessly

[still sapphire]

Could a fooled me

[limber hull]

i love the extremes that are jumped to the moment you like the stamina changes

[blissful wren]

Masochist

[still sapphire]

It's beautiful really

[cyan flame]

So much for a reasonable discussion... xD

[limber hull]

it's like being called a deep state puppet by a conspiracy theorist because you like the current president

its wonderous

[blissful wren]

You’re an inferior human for liking the stamina changes and you shouldn’t breed

[cyan flame]

This is going amazing... xD

[still sapphire]

Ven was a lost cause the moment they couldn't refrain from throwing out insults.

[cyan flame]

Ven, do you think you could maybe come up with an actual argument or should we just move on?

[cyan flame]

It does seem that way, yes

[limber hull]

it's clearly reached an ironic boiling point where he's just going to go further and further down the rabbit hole of insane extremes lol

[blissful wren]

I’m not serious lmao

[blissful wren]

Not a he but ok

[still sapphire]

Gonna nit pick statements now...really...

[cyan flame]

@still sapphireMuch as you and I disagreed, at least we had the decency to try and provide reasons and all :D

[blissful wren]

Stamina bad you bad me good

[still sapphire]

What?! You mean have a civil discussion?! Impossible!

[still sapphire]

Sunk cost fallacy

[blissful wren]

At least the stamina changes aren’t path of titans

Pot is so ass tbh

[limber hull]

finally, common ground

[cyan flame]

What did they do with stamina in PoT then?

[blissful wren]

Idk man

[limber hull]

no it's PoT in general

[blissful wren]

I just don’t like the game itself

Pot is very bad and feels soulless

It feels like a game made out of spite and not passion

[still sapphire]

Everything I have seen with how PoT functions. When players "compare" these games I think they are off their rocker. Completely different games.

[cyan flame]

Eh, I don't really get all the dislike, there's a thing or two in it they did good

[limber hull]

you're actually not wrong if you know its history

[cyan flame]

It's a dino game, it's inherently a positive xD

[blissful wren]

Such as…?

[cyan flame]

I like the "alt movement" system for example

[blissful wren]

It’s alright

[still sapphire]

PoT is a dinosaur MMO.

[blissful wren]

Good when stuck

[cyan flame]

Being able to move in all directions and "circle" each other in a confrontation is cool and should be a thing, apparently our dibble is getting something like it

[blissful wren]

Which doesn’t really work that well in my opinion

[cyan flame]

Their skin system is also pretty good, honestly not sure which I prefer, you can make good looking critters in both games

I do like their color options more, the Isle still is kind of meh, and I dislike that there's sometimes lacking in "similar" color options for all slots

[blissful wren]

Definitely prefer Isle skins, more customization (to a degree, less pattern variety but higher quality)

[cyan flame]

Like, I can get a good green in flanks, but for some reason there's no good green in the underbelly to match, or similar issues. Or you get a blue skin in one stego slot, but I would have liked it in the other slot (more green, less blue, looks better to me than the other way around) for example

[still sapphire]

Oh, I completely dislike everything about it. As per some Erik's reply there maybe some redeeming factors. But as a whole PoT and The Idle are 2 completely different games and I dislike the overall arcade like gameplay MMo style of PoT and love the survival of The Isle.