general-feedback-discussion

[surreal maple]

its worth fighting bc i hungy. u dont get punished 4 the bacteria anyway

so that deosnt matter

[limber hull]

then eat the organs

they provide all the nutrients you need

[surreal maple]

u shoudlnt get as much diet from organs form species that arent on ur diet. like u get half of the diet yk?

[limber hull]

that'd suck

why would you want that

[surreal maple]

bc than u have less incentive to fight species taht aret on ur diet plan.Otherwise preferred diets are worthless

[limber hull]

preferred diets already are a terrible mechanic

[surreal maple]

yes, that would fix it a little

[limber hull]

organs are inrinitely better

[surreal maple]

yea, which makes it too easy to grow things

[limber hull]

imho, besides some exceptions, all animals should want organs, not specific creatures/AI

[surreal maple]

like if i wnat, i can grow a croc or stego it dont matter

[surreal maple]

organs shoudl just give less if the creture not of preffered diet. this helps ur previous statement on ceras shoudlnt be on people diets. this tahn means that u would definetly have less incentive on fighting a cera

[limber hull]

remove preferred diets

[surreal maple]

than that means only way to get diets is from organs. It is good to have ways to get diets from othr things

DAMN IT 758, i gtg

[limber hull]

make it that carnivores can be piscivores (they gain nutrients from fish), egg-eaters (they gain nutrients from eggs), bone-eaters (you get the point)

[surreal maple]

srry brudda, gtg

ok, whaterv cya

[void crow]

@pure quiver Uh, imagine a juvenile stego jumping. Bet you didn't think of that one.

[full pewter]

@surreal maple Carno is overall stronger and obviously faster than cerato. And cerato has a much harder time fighting it, at least it’s definitely more skill oriented. Cerato also doesn’t have the speed to escape in many situations, and it’s agility, while great, doesn’t guarantee reliable dodges like Omni can just cause of how big it is. Unless a cerato has chuff buffs, it doesn’t want to be running into carnos often. And having it on carnos diet would only make it worse and like mr rex said, it’ll very much worsen carno mega packs as they’ll be too reliable of a food source. I also prefer the relationship be more rivals than predator/prey, and it’s ok that carno is on ceras diet since cera is meant to be a scavenger, plus carnos have the speed to escape, especially with all dots diet

[void crow]

@surreal maple I do want cerato on carno's diet (actually, ignore this part. What Stello typed was better.) , and the acceleration to be increased, but if you give it more stam it can run for too long. It's nearly as fast as gallis, depending on the diet of the galli, (you have no diets as a galli, you go way slower. If you have all three you're about the same speed if not faster than carnos, even faster with pack speed boost). Carnos can only run for about a minute, but they can kill a lone teno in that time.

[void crow]

I was just responding to him. 🤣

[full pewter]

Dude, the timing😆

[limber hull]

double trouble

[jovial hazel]

Make ceras give carnos lines diet.

You already get plenty from a fg cera's organs.

[sage sun]

@molten yacht you do know it's a feedback channel, right?

[molten yacht]

Yeah, feedback

[sage sun]

so what's the feedback on your message?

[limber hull]

@void crow so you

[void crow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-idea-gif-27149353

[barren crater]

I've done that a few times myself dw 😭

[void crow]

I'm editing it. xD

[limber hull]

@void crow pachy is 50kg heavier. the game doesn't even use pounds

[void crow]

I thought it was 25 kg heavier? Also 25 kg is about 50 pounds I believe, because one kg (kilogram) is 2.2 pounds. I THINK.

[limber hull]

450kg vs 500kg

[void crow]

Oh. 💀

Still looks weird that a raptor can pounce it and the pachy runs fine though.

My goodness the Wiki is wrong. 🤣
Even if it's for legacy, how can a hatchling weigh 400 pounds?

[limber hull]

legacy

that's literally it

[void crow]

How big were pachys in Legacy?

[limber hull]

they reached over 1000kg iirc

[void crow]

[limber hull]

1300kg, yea

because legacy is dumb

and their weight scaling system is garbage

thank god the game evolved from it

[void crow]

That's just terrifying.

[limber hull]

i mean, raptor was like 1000kg

dilo was 1200

goddamn dryo was 700kg

[void crow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-scared-scary-sad-gif-26439591

[limber hull]

it's what happens when you balance everything to do damage based on weight difference over raw damage stats

if you make small things small, they literally cannot do anything

because the heavier you are, the harder you hit and the less damage you take

and on top of the fact that larger creatures also had higher raw damage and health

[void crow]

So, should I be able to destroy a building with my fist in real life? ... 😭

[limber hull]

basically, at the end of the day, legacy was balanced like utter ass

weight played far too great a part in its balance

weight and turn radius were basically the two most important stats of any animal

[void crow]

I remember playing Legacy before, my first time, and an AI creature kept staying behind be attacking me and I couldn't even turn. Then I somehow killed him by biting out of my butt...

[limber hull]

yea velo

[full pewter]

@rotund lake if we didn’t have alt attack we’d have the whole tail riding exploit from legacy, which none of us wanna see again

[void crow]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[rotund lake]

instead of that can create a free move as POT

[full pewter]

I personally just don’t see a problem with alt attacks

[rotund lake]

like real anymals, lions doesnt fight moving around if have to fall back they do it without expose back

[void crow]

So T-Rex should walk backwards all the time.
If a creature gets behind you there's no way to stop them. (Not in real life, in The Isle)

[full pewter]

Lions will turn around and attack in the direction of their opponent, like alt attacks

[rotund lake]

why not? quick camera and move and thats it, if u can stay behind an enemy cuz your skill thats great

[full pewter]

A single Omni killing a rex by a barrage of bites may be a skillful move yes, but it also looks silly

And unrealistic

Omnis are supposed to encourage cooperative play

[faint folio]

It also kinda sucks from the rex perspective-- spent 6+ hours growing, died without any counter to a Utah that took 1 hour to grow

[rotund lake]

if they add head move attack with 180º of range trust me it will be funny

[burnt bone]

In real life animals essentially have alt attacks, 1 sec gonna find a gif of a croc/gator doing one without someone getting hit.

[faint folio]

Plus like stello said, Crocs and Lions both do spin to attack behind them. An alt attack basically

[rotund lake]

not aiming with your whole body, with your head if u have to turrn back then move all your body

[faint folio]

I've seen video of African buffalo do it too

[cyan flame]

Alt attacks already do turn the playable around, no?

Not sure what you're asking for, when you alt, you kind of turn while ttacking

[rotund lake]

easy way, yes

[full pewter]

What’s the issue with alt attacks themselves though?

[rotund lake]

il ask to do this with more skill

not to be a deino and just stay there and look ppl moving mouse around waiting just for that click

same with stego

[cyan flame]

Have to agree with Stello, what's the issue? Do you want the playable to have to turn its body first before attacking? Which, if so, would defeat the purpose of the alt attack I think, you could just as well turn on the spot and attack normally, like some playables can do anyway

[rotund lake]

like teno have to turn arount to do tail attack

[cyan flame]

Not when it claws, which is the alt attack

And I think the point of alt attacks are that you can just turn around as an attack, or while attacking, instead of having to do some kind of "alt turn" or turn on the spot

[full pewter]

I think that was in the plan originally, they do have the animations, would be cool if it was added, but if not I’d be ok with it, I like teno as is

[cyan flame]

As for stego, it doesn't have alt attacks, and secondly, literally has the tail reach so no need to turn

[cyan flame]

Hm? You mean the forward tail slam? If so, that'd be cool, but it's not the alt attack, claw is tenos alt, and it works like most alts, you turn with using it.

[rotund lake]

and thats the point, doesnt need skill to play

[full pewter]

Like yes but there are animations for alt tail slams

Two forms of alt attacks would be cool, but that’s a lot of controls for a dino that already has a variety of attacks

[rotund lake]

what i want to say, is make attacks more real and dificult to do with some dinos, for example is not same alt attack with a carno than with a stego

[cyan flame]

So, basically, we shouldn't let a playable have the ability it should, because of "skill"? Despite the fact that the entire point of having an AoE attack is well, having less requirement to aim

[faint folio]

@fickle sleet I'm willing to bet the devs haven't found the source of the bug yet. If they haven't found the cause, they can't fix it, and the food glitch bug is one of those bugs that doesn't reliably happen every time, which makes it hard to isolate the issue. On another game, I know the devs put a bug bounty on a specific bug that caused server crashes - any play tester who figured out how to reliably reproduce the crash got a free DLC key. It still took them weeks to find it with every tester scouring the test server for the crash cause and the dev going line by line through the code

[burnt bone]

Why was it so hard to find something like this lmao

[cyan flame]

It would, but you could probably just apply a slam forwards, shouldn't be that much more tricky, but not sure its needed. But that's not really relevant to the main point that slam is not the alt attack, claw is. So if you want to compare with other playables, its the claw swipe you should look at for alt attack.

[burnt bone]

Also the guy is fine don’t worry

[cyan flame]

Well, alt attacks, and most attacks, require aim and all, so there's already that. And stego has no alt attack, so no comparison there.

[full pewter]

Yes, like I said, teno doesn’t need changes to its kit rly

[cyan flame]

Nah, it probably do need some changes, but the kit is fine, even if forward tailslam would be cool.

[full pewter]

I think I’m this discussion when we’re talking about alt attacks we’re referring to Omni directional attacks, which stego has in spades

[burnt bone]

Omni directional except forward

[rotund lake]

i know stego doesnt have alt attack, is worst than alt attack, my point is again , do "alt "attacks more efficient, or if dont remove atleast give the chance to bit just moving your head not entire body, when u need to move passing by dino u got stuck

[cyan flame]

Well, directional attacks are not quite the same as alts, though alts are meant to be omnidirectional. But yeah, stego has omnidirectional attacks, because that's how a stego works, more or less

[cyan flame]

So, you want the alt attacks to have less reach?

[sage sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-short-skill-issue-gif-12822647914317903047

@rotund lake

[full pewter]

Nothing rly needs to change imo, our combat system is good enough

[cyan flame]

I don't know, the entire point of them is to give cover entirely around you, to prevent assriding and similar, so you have to bait out attacks and approach carefully and all

[rotund lake]

si, habilidad te faltara ati que vas de sobrado

[full pewter]

A missed alt attack is the opening you should use to attack, that’s my philosophy

[low canopy]

every time I open a door is an opportunity

[sage sonnet]

yep thats the thing ı agree on that

[full pewter]

At least for Omnis and troodons

[sage sonnet]

the stegos swing uses stam so you can bait the swing and bite the head its ez I killed like 2 stegos with that strat

[full pewter]

Just through bites??

[sage sonnet]

yep

[full pewter]

Impressive😎

[sage sonnet]

its not that hard actually

if the stego is inexperiences its easier

they just swing and they hope they hit it

[full pewter]

Next chance I get I’ll give it a shot, I usually just hope I got a competent pack and bleed it out, still works if so

[sage sonnet]

yea packing is more secure and easy to get a 1 stego but if you are patient enough you can kill one if they are using their swing too much

[polar inlet]

IF, otherwise you die... Stegos are not an easy bite

[sage sonnet]

its not easy but its simple

[proven aurora]

Sooooo

What does anyone think of my suggestion?

[sterile shale]

What was it

[proven aurora]

The Monolophosaurus tiger thing

Apparently people didn't like that one

[sterile shale]

Idk maybe you just didn’t explain it best yk

Not a great pitch, think it’s just a bit unclear

[proven aurora]

Mmmm

Probably

Thanks 👍

[burnt bone]

I just don’t agree with the playstyle, it conflicts with the schnozz ability. Essentially, you want to give an ambush ability to a creature with the ability to track, those are counterintuitive to each other. Plus, a pin and 1-shot is incredibly 1-sided and unfun, look at deino for prime example. Lastly, the camo ability I think would work much better on something else (rugouflage my beloved).

[lucid mauve]

Whats wrong with oneshot? I hope tons of stuff have that. Imagine stego needing 2 hits vs omni. Aslong as whatever that can be oneshotted has the tool to avoid it by skill/timing.

[burnt bone]

A one shot with a condition is fine, like you got too close to the hulking death machine that is stego. What I dislike is “you can’t see me and have no way to counteract me 1-shotting you” aka, deino.

Even Omni pinning Gali isn’t a definite 1-shot if it somehow escapes the Omni and sits down in time. But even then the Gali has plenty of ways to avoid said Omni and a second Gali can kick the Omni off.

[lucid mauve]

Yea agree on not seeing the deino, its sorta rng. And i dont have a good suggestion on it either. Cus its easy to make it useless if you can just run over to a water and lookfor few second and know its no deino there

[proven aurora]

You're right.... Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it

[burnt bone]

See my example here: #general-feedback message

[burnt bone]

It’s not an entirely bad idea, it could use some refinement and work on something else. Such as rugops, which doesn’t have a definite mechanic yet. Giving it a similar camouflage ability to close in on prey then using its agility and speed to rush down small prey in a forest would work well imo. It also has the benefit of being really good against humans.

[proven aurora]

But also I meant only Hypsi sized, pups or very weak creatures would get the oneshot, and even then, you could have an opportunity to get away with the sound clue I mentioned. But I guess you're right on the playstyle and mechanic thingie

Thanks again

[burnt bone]

That makes more sense then, glad I could explain some of the flaws I noticed.

[proven aurora]

Ye

[lucid mauve]

Ahh yes,its a good one. I actually had upvoted it. But deino will ha e very diffrent playstyle later. Growing will be harder,with sucho,bary,cherius etc. And i think spino will be walking underwater not swimming. So deeper might mean problem

[burnt bone]

Yeah I can’t wait to see how gateway alone impacts deino. More semi-aquatics should also make growing a deino more difficult, which is pretty much never a bad thing.

[proven aurora]

I was actually planning on doing this suggestion with the Barinasuchus at first, before I knew about the Rugops stuff and that Raui was canceled because the community didn't like it xd
And it made more sense to give it to other creature that was already planed instead of making the devs break their schedule

Not my best idea

[still sinew]

@surreal maple I think Night just recently got a time reductioon - didn't it

[icy lion]

Yea, it's about 20 minutes now

[still sinew]

what was it before that?

[icy lion]

About double that, more or less

[still sinew]

whoof - what is it in legacy? bout 12-15 min?

[icy lion]

Longer than that but it's been a couple years since I've played

[void crow]

@pulsar prawn What if the creatures just had a mating call? With maybe a 1 minute cooldown.

[pulsar prawn]

That would be great, especially so that there is no unnecessary spam especially from players who do not want to nest, I would say that the cooldown should be longer, 10 min minimum, we do not want it to be used with bad intentions such as attacking other players in a derogatory manner.

[void crow]

True, I think that would be better. If you want to nest you just make that sound, and if somebody does it back, you can go to where they are and mate, or they will come to you.

[pulsar prawn]

I was also thinking of suggesting another idea, but I'm still not very convinced, in case you would like to

Add plant generation codes (concrete suggestion: nesting).

Herbivorous diets are quite separated from each other on the map for some species, diets that are important for the growth of the offspring, as a suggestion that when creating a nest and laying eggs in it, eventually plants appear on the perimeter of the dinosaur's diet, at least those that are not found in that sector, obviously not in an abusive way, let alone so close to the nest.

[pulsar prawn]

I love how you complement my idea with your ideas, it would definitely be a good dynamic in the game.

[void crow]

Maybe, but the problem I have with that is that people would just nest so they don't have to leave the area.

[pulsar prawn]

Yes, for that reason it also brings me mixed feelings, it could also be a limited spawn that only feeds one adult.

we don't want to saturate the game with plant spawns either.

should I edit the idea and add what we discussed for the matchmaking dynamics?

I don't know if you have thought about the tracking system, which has become quite unsatisfactory over time. Hunts are made a lot more complicated by having to track the prey, which makes one look back nostalgically at the Legacy's blood marks that were more visible.

[formal atlas]

so idk if they changed something and didnt put it in the patch notes, but tracking as gotten much better. the blood and the footprints actually. idk if im just on a hotstreak or they made changes but im interested to hear if anyone has noticed a difference.

and thats from troodon, raptor, carno, and cera. so its not just one dino ive noticed tracking seeming to work better on in the last few days/week or two.

[void crow]

Probably, I just think that would work better. 😊 (Also I had to restart my computer which is why I didn't respond.)

[void crow]

I haven't thought about this, but I know if a creature you're chasing gets into a forest it's very hard to find them. It shows where the tracks are, and you can sometimes find them, but it's kind of hard. Especially with not being able to see tracks over foliage.

[pulsar prawn]

I think it's because of the type of color, but also the blood in legacy had a shine and a kind of particle like odor upwards.

[formal atlas]

Even recently for you? I’ve tracked two things through the woods in the past week and actually found them. So I’m wondering if anyone else noticed it’s gotten easier for I just got lucky.

[void crow]

I haven't played much recently. Has it gotten better? Before I could track creatures and sometimes find them, but they'd usually be healed by then. Not much you can do without making it super OP though. 🤷‍♂️

[surreal maple]

idk, maybe

[void crow]

Yeah it's like 24 minutes now. But then again you said it's boring sitting in the dark for 20 minutes. 💀
But it used to be much longer.

[surreal maple]

yea, still feels the same lol

[still sinew]

I just take a walk in the woods - can't be spotted there and it's better than sittin around - but I 100% get still wanting shorter nights

[surreal maple]

good idea

[lucid lynx]

Ik mixpacking is awful to go against but idk what the line would be

Like sometimes i will be nice to something and chill for a sec

[pure quiver]

Well it would be adorable to see one hop and bound like a tired rabbit. Obviously the usability of that jump would be questionable. You'd at least be able to clamber over short human structures or rocks n logs.

[void crow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-idea-gif-27149353

[pure quiver]

You could also be a little less rude about it

[void crow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

How can a baby crocodile jump?

[limber hull]

@dim socket that's how it works lol, you HAVE to be 2x larger than a target to grab it

if they're even 1kg over half your weight, you can't grab 'em

[dim socket]

I probably should’ve exaggerated more, cause I was just grabbed by a croc, that was maybe just bigger than me

[limber hull]

yea the issue is that deino scales weight very fast and its model doesn't actually illustrate that well

so 2 ton deinos absolutely do not look like they are 2 tons

[dim socket]

Exactly

I just think it’s dumb that deinos that are barley bigger than u, can just scoop u up like that

[cyan flame]

@thick imp I don't think any attack has collision as it stands, pretty sure you can bite through things with any playable.

[arctic turret]

@lucid lynx read the announcements

was like 4 days ago

[lucid lynx]

Yea i saw that but it didnt work for me so

[arctic turret]

oop

were u full

prob why

u cant get nutrients when full as those creatures

which is silly

[lucid lynx]

Nopee

and ik the update was downloaded for me because when i played that day i had to wait for the patch to finish.

Just earlier i took the heart out of a rotten deino and got nothin

[arctic turret]

zamn😔

[lucid lynx]

Its happened to me other times since the patch

[arctic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-programmer-life-gif-14891409

[lucid lynx]

ACCURATE

[surreal maple]

HWY WOULD PEOPLE x this brudda

braindead people

probably dont even play the game tf

[waxen tiger]

people: disagree with your suggestion/feedback
ah yes, they must be braindead and not play the game

[limber hull]

i like night lol

[waxen tiger]

i think it's good as it is now after the update

[limber hull]

same

[surreal maple]

everyone disagrees with how long night is brudda

yters

anyone who isnt playing troo

its hard to even see past the shoreline as a croc

let alone anywhere as a baby

[waxen tiger]

night time was halved literally a few days ago

[surreal maple]

good

i found out after i posted that

[waxen tiger]

ahhh ok

yeah lots of people hated the longer nights so the recent shortening has made lots of people happier with night lol

[surreal maple]

yes

i dont get why peoapl put x's tho bc night was too frickin long

[waxen tiger]

i think people did that mainly because it was shortened to 20 minutes or so recently, so they probably feel that shortening it further is unnecessary

[surreal maple]

mybe, but still lol. ive seen some bad ideas in islcord, wouldnt be the first

[waxen tiger]

yeah there's been some pretty horrendous ideas i agree

all together yours was not a bad idea, just bad timing i think lol

[surreal maple]

ye lol

it is good bc now night is more rewarding for the one night hinter

if they get food

[flat ruin]

So don't call everyone braindead when it's you who doesn't know what's going on

[faint folio]

@lucid lynx this is actually in game now, at least for Cera. Just the other day after the most recent patch I ate on a rotten corpse that, after visual inspection, looked like a dead pachy. I got 3dot which is the correct diet

I believe the patch notes said both Cera and deino get nutrients from rotten junk now

[void crow]

@full canopy Cerato is supposed to be a scavenger, and somewhat of a bully, in that it can easily take people's food because of the body buff when near a big body so you get 50% damage resistance. Ceratos probably could have killed a 40% grown deino, but deinos and stegos are pretty hard. They can fight carnos, but if you're trying to fight two it makes sense why it didn't work, because carnos are bigger.

Ceratos I believe have like 25 or 50 less bite force than a carno, but cera's chargd bite I think is stronger. Carnos usually win in a 1v1 against ceras, because again, they're bigger and stronger than them, and they have a charge.

Right now ceras are actually pretty good hunters, instead of scavengers, but still hold their ground well.

[desert arch]

Ceratos bf is 150, 25 less than carnos, charge bite does around 400 damage when fully charged, not to mention the 2-3 second long vomit animation.

[void crow]

They'd probably be better scavengers and bullies having less stamina, so they can hunt, but not chase down pachys.

[desert arch]

And the fact it has more dps than a carno

[void crow]

If the carno uses it's charge they usually win, but I've killed an 80% grown carno before as a cerato. I chased him down because of the high stamina.

[desert arch]

Cerato's damage is more than enough for its size, especially when you take vomit into consideration

[void crow]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[desert arch]

Cerato can dodge the charge pretty well, if you know what youre doing youll get hit at the tip of your tail at most.

[void crow]

Then I suck at cerato.
I ALMOST killed one before! I got him so low but he stopped moving so I couldn't attack without getting hurt.

[desert arch]

You can always improve, we've all been there.
If you know the carno is gonna charge, run away from it while zigzaging, then turn away last second

Also always try to keep your tail towards its face, it will be much harder for it to knock you down even if it hits you

[void crow]

Yeah I've done that to escape three of them chasing me before. I got to the forest but one of the others came that still had lots of stamina so I died. I can escape carnos usually, at least if it's only one, but I can't kill them. Someday though...

[desert arch]

You should always keep you bite charged, just in case they try to run in and trade hits

[limber hull]

@bold oasis all herbivores suffer from being unfinished, bad or both

dryo, hypsi and stego literally are incomplete animals, lacking many of their main mechanics

pachy and teno are just bad, falling behind their carnivore equivilants

because of this, no one wants to play herbi, because the experience is objectively worse

adding more herbis won't help as much as finishing what we have

[north quiver]

we need herbivore love

literally so much of it

[low canopy]

herbis also can't "hunt" players since they lack the speed to catch up and kill stuff consistently, also reduced numbers makes grouping up even harder which deters people from playing said species even more

[bold oasis]

There are 5 herbs out and 2 are useless and no one plays them, teno and pachy are sometimes played but not much and full grow invisible stegos are everywhere. There are 8 Carnivores and all of them are playable and everyone of them are at least somewhat played. How are carnivores supposed to hunt and get diet if the only other dinosaurs on land are other carnivores

[limber hull]

there's also the clear issue of their gameplay loop kinda... sucking

like without migrations, you are forced to visit the same few spots on repeat

[burnt bone]

Pachy is also technically unfinished, fracture severity, unless that has been silently scrapped.

[limber hull]

i mean, again, dryo and hypsi would be played if they had any level of their intended mechanical depth. I don't subscribe to the "useless animal" ideology

[low canopy]

isn't that the best part about carnivores, just cuddle up together anywhere and kill each other, no reason to move ever

[limber hull]

when you compare the amount of people who played dryo in legacy to the amount of people who play dryo now, it's pretty evident that without a unique mechanic like burrowing, they're really not that interesting

[bold oasis]

I’m not saying they should be useless, I am saying that there are so many carnivores and barely herbivores and the ones we have are useless at the moment @limber hull

[low canopy]

dryo was also kinda immortal in legacy btw, unlike the trashheap that is evrima dryo

[bold oasis]

In my 200 hours of this game, I have not once seen a dryo

[limber hull]

dryo was also just kinda more fun due to the novelty of what it was capable of

you give animals unique, novel and interesting mechanics, and people play them

dryo, as it stands, is the most basic-ass animal in the game

no wonder no one plays it

a completed dryo would have infinitely more players

by basis of engaging with the world differently from other creatures

[north quiver]

(and a better hitbox for the bite)

[bold oasis]

I agree with what someone said about fixing the current herbivores instead of adding new ones and I think that’s a great start

[limber hull]

what every animal should have first and foremost is a unique way to engage with their environment. Dryo doesn't have that. It can't engage with other animals, due to its lack of combat, so there goes PvP, and its ability to engage uniquely with the world itself like how aquatics do isn't there, so it's got nothing

leave hypsi as-is, no one cares. Give hypsi the ability to climb trees and other surfaces, and now you have a unique herbivore that can address its world in a plethora of ways

[urban flax]

We don't need more unfinished herbis
We need current herbis to be made viable

[limber hull]

playing a different animal should force me to visualise things differently. What a teno sees as a regular forest, the hypsi sees as a place where they can use verticality to remain safe from a majority of its predators. What a stego sees is a patch of dirt in the middle of the plains, a dryo sees as the perfect spot to set up a burrow to call home with close proximity to diet foods

this is the greatest flaw of the current herbi roster

[bold oasis]

That would be cool but accessibility issues would be a thing

[limber hull]

let's compare beipi to galli. Both are omnivores. When galli sees water, it either chooses to avoid it or get over it ASAP. It doesn't want to stay near it, because it is a poor swimmer and the risk of ambush is high from deinos and other predators,

Beipi, however, can see beneath the water, dive in and out and can engage with water in an entirely different way

[limber hull]

accessibility?

[bold oasis]

Nvm

I miss read what you said

I agree with you

I hope in the new stego update, that their tail swing animations is long giving time for them to be punished for swinging their tail like crazy

[limber hull]

i really hope they don't get even more nerfs

if it's intended to go against rex in unofficials, it needs to be far more powerful than what it is

[bold oasis]

Stego is very powerful, its attack does very high damage but they can swing so fast that nothing can get in there without dying. Stego isn’t a fighter for rex, if they want one they should add anky

[urban flax]

So stego should die as soon as rex sees it ?

Or maybe it should run 35+ km/h so it has a chance to escape ?

[limber hull]

not really, no, stego isn't that powerful at all. In a vacuum, it may see that way, but in reality, it's one of the weakest animals in the game, entirely unprepared for a roster of creatures its size or over that aren't deino

[bold oasis]

Or they could have power in numbers? A lone stego should die east to a rex but a herd should be able to stop a rex

[limber hull]

that's the definition of unviable

[bold oasis]

How so

[limber hull]

if you, as a solo creature, are doomed to die for being solo, you are unviable

[urban flax]

Also stego is like the worst candidate for being a herd animal

[bold oasis]

Utah, cera, pachy, teno,

All die easy without a group

[urban flax]

If stego cannit survive unless it has a group, who are you gonna group up with to survive ?

[urban flax]

All of them are viable solo

[limber hull]

this just... isn't true. They all can survive solo, there exists no predator that can catch any of these that they can't do anything about

[urban flax]

Although pachy and teno are kinda underpowered atm...

[bold oasis]

Carno

I agree

Also rex should be overpowered. the issue should not be when they are full grown but little

[limber hull]

carno, ironically, despite being what it is, can easily be survived by any of these animals

using any body of water is great, because carnos are garbage swimmers. They also can't jump and have a terrible turn rate

[limber hull]

okay but stego should be allowed to survive rex

[bold oasis]

Depends

[limber hull]

shouldn't depend

[bold oasis]

I think 60-40 the rex should win

[limber hull]

okay so it's bad

no more stego players, less herbivores all round

[urban flax]

That's called making rex overpowered

[limber hull]

no one is going to play an animal that's easily outsped and outfought by a superior predator

you've ensured that you see more carnivores and less herbivores

[urban flax]

Rex should have the upper hand on a stego... If it ambushes it

[bold oasis]

Rex IS a superior predator, the things that can survive it are the most broken herbivores out there. Stego is not as strong as a rex

[limber hull]

okay so we won't see any more stegos

[urban flax]

So just let rex ruin the ecosystem and have a game filled with only rexes and trikes ?

[bold oasis]

I am not saying a dumb rex should be able to kill a good stego but generally a rex should be able to kill one

[limber hull]

like, if you wanna see more herbivores, you gotta make them actually enjoyable to play

[urban flax]

Or do trike needs a herd to survive against a rex as well ?

[limber hull]

your entire feedback was increasing the amount of herbis

[bold oasis]

Yes

[limber hull]

but you're also suggesting something that would make less people want to play a specific herbivore ever

[cyan flame]

Rex should not be overpowered/unbalanced. Powerful, sure, but still balanced. And if stego is just a worse trike or so when it comes to power, why would you play stego?

[bold oasis]

Only if rex is rampant, if they make the growth to adult rex brutal then it should be good

[limber hull]

would you rather play

a 5 hour growth that instantly dies if remotely caught out of place by a superior predator that's faster, stronger and better than you

the very same predator that you know is outright the better option

hint: no one is picking the stego

[bold oasis]

I don’t think you understand what I am imagining, Stego can still hurt and kill a rex if the conditions are right but they are not equals

[cyan flame]

People would just go play trike instead, or anky, or whatever else that can handle rex, most likely at least. But, sure, we could make stegos die to rex and similar, but then I think stego should be kind of immune to being hunted by anything smaller than acro or so in return.

[urban flax]

The reward shouldn't be a god-like playable
That's exactly the reason people don't want hypers in the game
Although hypers will be temporary

[limber hull]

hell, a juvi rex is also just outright better than a juvi stego, there is NO reason to ever pick the stego

juvi rex has speed, agility and stamina, juvi stego is a fat little wandering bundle of food

[limber hull]

why would i play an animal for the rare opportunity to mildly inconvinience a rex at the cost of my life

you're literally explaining and advocating for the exact reason why no one plays herbivores after asking for more people to play herbivores

[bold oasis]

Okay so what do you propose

[limber hull]

let stego fight and kill rex

upsize it to its irl 8 tons and give it violent smackdown attacks that would scare even a rex off

[cyan flame]

You make stego powerful enough to deter and fight off a rex unless the rex ambushes it and gets to its head before the stego can react?

[urban flax]

Stego being able to fight off a rex unless the rex player is clearly better

[cyan flame]

That, or you make stego run away, so slow down rex and up stego speed so it can do that

[limber hull]

which would look... so silly

[urban flax]

Actually
If you make stego fast enough maybe it will stop floating

[bold oasis]

Stego is op as it is, you want to buff them even more to make the most apex predator in history not even able to hunt them? You say who will play stego? Who will play stego if nothing can hunt them. They already kill each other for fun because they are so bored, you are just upsizing it

[lapis swallow]

i forgot that stegos run has airtime💀

[limber hull]

it's really not OP at all, a single omniraptor can kill it

it's OP if you look at it from a vaccuum, in reality, it's kinda pathetic for what it's supposed to be

[cyan flame]

It's really not op, it's quite weak for what it could be. And yes, we want it balanced, and since we get rex in the game, and the other large predators, there needs to be a response to that, for every playable.

[surreal maple]

Shut up I didn't read the patch notes, so stfu and keep to urself

[limber hull]

the whole reason it's getting moved to unofficials is because a rex-ready stego will not be suitable for the current ecosystem

[bold oasis]

You are insane if you think the average raptor can kill the average stego

[cyan flame]

And being able to survive an encounter does not mean "can't be hunted"

[limber hull]

no, it can't, the average raptor isn't the brightest, but it can be done

[bold oasis]

I didn’t say it can’t survive one

[cyan flame]

Average pack of raptors, or troos, can shred an average stego, because stego is surprisingly incompetent at doing what it should :p

[lapis swallow]

hey!!!

[bold oasis]

It “can” done, doesn’t mean it is happening

[limber hull]

this is coming from a past raptor main

before i discovered troodon my beloved

[bold oasis]

I have never seen even a herd kill one before

A pack sorry

[limber hull]

just like a rex SHOULD be allowed to kill a stego, but not be guaranteed it. It should run the risk of death for engaging

[bold oasis]

Troodon is amazing

I didn’t say it should be guaranteed. I think it they should be in the rex’s favour

[limber hull]

then the stego playerbase is goneso

[lapis swallow]

so rex should be able to catch up to it and have a advantage? checks out

[urban flax]

But it shouldn't, since rex will control the engagement

[bold oasis]

I see what you mean @urban flax

[cyan flame]

Nah, it can be in the favour of the rex, that'd work, though in general the carnis should always be disadvantaged

[limber hull]

a general rule of thumb should be, if a predator is able to consistently keep up with its prey, the prey should pose a significant risk to the predator's life

if a prey item can escape, it shouldn't need to be able to also fight back

[cyan flame]

You don't want the carnis to have success, you want them to fail more often than not

[bold oasis]

They are disadvantaged with the pressure to not starve

[cyan flame]

Not when they have no to little risk of failing a hunt, and have AI

[limber hull]

that's... not a disadvantage at all lol

[urban flax]

For the matchup to be balanced, the creature that doesn't have the option to run away should have the advantage in the fight

[lapis swallow]

AI exists

[cyan flame]

There was a time when carnos had it really rough, but well, they got it easier too

[bold oasis]

A boar is barely food for a a rex

[limber hull]

if you are favoured against a stego, that's food

[cyan flame]

Well, we're probably getting larger AI, dino AI I believe will be a thing

[limber hull]

a stego would be a relieving sight for a hungry rex, it would barely be suffering from any disadvantage

[limber hull]

very unfortunate

[urban flax]

(dinosaur AI killed his parents so he resents it)

[limber hull]

nah it just sucks

i wish it was cool enough to do something interesting like that

[urban flax]

The first stage of mourning : denial
It's okay tho, you can take your time

[bold oasis]

I think rex should be able to win 60-40 or 70-30 and they won’t hunt everyone they see with the issue of getting injured, a big guy like rex can’t hide well and others will see they are hurt

[urban flax]

(Actually I dislike dino AI too)

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/guiillotine-gif-4574862832491529802

[cyan flame]

Just let stego outrun rex and we're good

[lapis swallow]

am I correct?

[limber hull]

god i hate that concept

[bold oasis]

The whole point of the game is a player played ecosystem so Ai is aids

[cyan flame]

Or delay/outlast via stamina if possible, though it's slightly more questionable, but it can work

[urban flax]

And we're back to the same argument : is stego is slower, weaker and inferior to rex, why ever play stego instead of rex ?

[limber hull]

but it seems like the only option

[flat ruin]

Yeah so keep up to date before you call ppl names 🗿

[limber hull]

lmao

[bold oasis]

When did he call someone a name?

[surreal maple]

U have a dino in ur name take a shower

[limber hull]

called someone braindead, don't worry about it

[bold oasis]

Got it

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/screams-vanishing-gif-23313762

[urban flax]

His very first message actually

[surreal maple]

I just didn't know, so hpp off lol bro

[limber hull]

mr rex is hurt

[surreal maple]

Gtg anyway in clas

[limber hull]

man hopped on to double down on aggression

[lapis swallow]

I am just superior (Dicksonosteus was a fish)

[limber hull]

wonderous

[bold oasis]

Anyone else want sucho really bad

[urban flax]

Dicksonoteus should have a 70-30 matchup against rex

[lapis swallow]

true

[bold oasis]

I feel as if that’s a jab at me

[urban flax]

It is

[faint folio]

@full canopy pardon if someone else already replied. Cerato is going for a scavenger/brawler play style. It can pretty easily kill even stegos with patience, good timing, and a full group.

But the isle isn't really aiming for a balance where it's feasible for any playable to kill any other playable.

Why would a cerato need to kill deino? It's not on diet, and they're semi aquatic so access to deinos isn't really that common either

[void crow]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[faint folio]

Carno vs cerato it can go either way, depending on group skill and coordination. I've seen ceratos trash carno packs, and I've seen carno packs annihilate ceratos

But, because of the vomit attack lock and bleed resistance, Ceratos perform very well against Omniraptor, troodon, teno, pachy, beipi and stego

[full pewter]

I thought deino was on ceratos diet, unless that changed

[faint folio]

Why do they need to win fights against the entire roster? They already do very well against most playables and they can eat rotten carcasses for nutrients long past anything else can

[faint folio]

Maybe? I don't know why though. I can count on my hand the number of deinos I have seen ceratos kill, and all of them were way up away from the water and small to boot

Deino is definitely on Omniraptor diet, despite that making 0 sense

[full pewter]

I think it’s more for scavenging, or for juveniles, in ceratos concept and the trailer it’s shown hunting younger Deinos

Also I’ve been killed by a cerato as an adult deino, granted my health was very low from a stego battle

[north quiver]

my only guess is that because deinos are such a very common sight, there’s not much else of a selection to go after so people think it needs to be buffed to better fight it lmao

[full pewter]

Just cause it’s on its diet doesn’t mean adults are “prey”

[north quiver]

I yearn for deino’s balance stick beating

[full pewter]

What balance would you expect for something that’s already an apex?

[north quiver]

gateway and the inability to support 30 deinos to a server

[full pewter]

Gotcha gotcha, that’s what all of us are excepting yea

Thought you meant nerfs

[faint folio]

I mean that's technically a nerf

[full pewter]

Like to the deino itself

[north quiver]

I honestly want deino nerfs on land when stego gets removed from official but deino stays

just nerfs that’d affect it out of water. not in water

[full pewter]

Deinos are already so easy to cheese, only thing is them stealing carcasses which idk why people complain about, it’s part of gameplay, like it’s literally part of ceratos kit

[full pewter]

Like what else besides its water drain

[north quiver]

honestly I’d be happy with anything as long as it gets deinos more hesitant to travel 1,000 + feet inland to steal a kill

stegos make deinos extremely hesitant in doing that because it’s a death sentence if they’re caught not close to water

which is good. water lizard needs to stay a water lizard

[full pewter]

Idk I don’t think this is all bad, it makes sense, they still have to return to the water, you can slightly up its water drain if you wanna encourage them to stay in the water more

It’s also nice we can drag bodies for the most part

Just move them further away

[north quiver]

water drain is fine where it is imo. deino will go uncontested on land unless it’s not a very smart player. it’s water beast with 8k health and high bleed res. it needs to stay near water and be hesitant to go far inland

no idea how badly a water drain nerf would affect little deinos travelling to certain bodies of water adults can’t get to

[full pewter]

Fortunately they’re slow, and like I said they’ll still be forced back to the water, so they’re not “at home” on land

[north quiver]

yea but with little worry of death

[full pewter]

Like sure they’re uncontested, but really what can they do?

[north quiver]

steal your hard earned kill

far inland

[full pewter]

Getting bullied off your kill is part of the game imo

You just have to play to avoid it

[north quiver]

cera should be the inland threat to kills tbh not deino. deino should be the threat when your kill is close to water

[full pewter]

Right now this is still overall the case, only changes if there’s a stego around

@lyric pollen I’ve been wanting to post on this for a while, thanks for putting it out there

[north quiver]

(why I hope either deino goes with stego or gets a land nerf if it’s still staying)

[lucid mauve]

Who cares about deino on land? Its useless lol

[lyric pollen]

👍

[full pewter]

If deino leaves than waterways loose their risk

[north quiver]

it’s a double edged sword unfortunately because of the current roster. if stego leaves, then land looses its risk

at least the land ecosystem will be a lot more lively if deino leaves. especially if the server max player count can be successfully upped without issue

[lucid mauve]

I dont get,you talking about water edges? Or actually inland.

Im not sure what a land deino gonna do,its just there unless i choose to walk over to it

[proud coral]

That's how I see it as well. Plus with Gateway alone seemingly making Deino much more difficult, land Deinos sound like an uncommon issue. Even if one appears.....you can just walk away 😛 Right now it's bad because they're friggn' everywhere.

[lucid mauve]

Yea,and i dont mind them feeding on dumb people lol

[jovial hazel]

Spoken like a bunch of people who weren't around when deinos could beat stegos on land. You would never find bodies because the deinos would just be sitting in the river waiting to scavenge them and there was nothing you could do about it.

Now imagine without stego at all. We will see I guess.

[daring talon]

• on the current map you either dont have food or arent further than a short walk from deino infested water

[surreal maple]

@full canopy from what ur were talking about with cera dmg, its was supposed to be tanky not strong, which it isnt tanky. Since u lost to the carnos thats a skill issue, with its stam drain far less that urs and accel worse

@daring talon carnos charge does 300 dmg, it takes about 4-5 seconds for it to start. It literally cant one shot

@hexed kayak nightvison underwater not that good

[jovial hazel]

It can one shot anything below 450hp.

[surreal maple]

it does 300 dmg 4 a charge

rlly only troos get oneshot

[jovial hazel]

You're pretty sure of yourself for a newer player.

[surreal maple]

im not new

ive had the isle since update 4.5

[jovial hazel]

Oh, I just assumed after reading some of the stuff you say.

[surreal maple]

wdym, like what

[daring talon]

galli
pachy
hypsi
beipi
troodon
ptera
utah
dryo
and all babies beg to disagree

[surreal maple]

it cant one shot

[jovial hazel]

Not pachy or galli, but the rest yes.

[surreal maple]

they ahve above 300 health

[daring talon]

and if it doesnt 1 shot some of these, it knocks them over, then bites them, then they die

[surreal maple]

utah

[jovial hazel]

What happens if you get hit in the head?

[daring talon]

it is essentially a 1 shot

[surreal maple]

ye??

[surreal maple]

no?

its a combo

[jovial hazel]

Headshot is 450 damage.

Which kills a utah.

[daring talon]

its a 1 shot if you get knocked over for 5 seconds by 1 attack from the fastest thing in the game
it literally may as well be a oneshot cuz ur dead

[surreal maple]

its like 2.5-3

they nerfed it alot

[daring talon]

that is more then enough time for the carno to turn around and bite you

[surreal maple]

ok and? it a combo

just be more aware of ur surroundings

thats just skill issue

[daring talon]

ah hmm yes
it is a skill issue to die when you get tailhit from a mile away by a carno charge

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, just don't die. Survival easy.

[surreal maple]

just pay atttention to ur surroundings brudda

[daring talon]

ah hmm yes
it is a skill issue to die when you literally looked around the area for 5 minutes before DARING to eat that pumpkin and then got 1 shot
obviously a skill issue

[daring talon]

Camera lock :

[surreal maple]

eat chunks???

brudda lol

[jovial hazel]

Chunks of pumpkin?

[daring talon]

herbivores :

[surreal maple]

i mean pick up the item

and move it to a bush or somehting

[daring talon]

just move it to a bush
nonadults of an herbivore species (they physically cannot hit adulthood without being carebeared by a stegosaurus) :

[surreal maple]

eveyrthing is supposed to be stronger (adults) its a game of survival

stego is already easy enough to grow

if u have issues with it than its sad

just get better at the game

and i barely paly setg

[daring talon]

the isle players explaining that you should need to be carebeared to adulthood by a stegosaurus if you picked an herbivore (It makes sense if you dont think about it)

[surreal maple]

?

what?

[jovial hazel]

Dude is just trying to get a rise out of people. He acts this way towards everyone. Pointless to even worry about what he says.

[surreal maple]

me?

wow brudda

[lucid lynx]

As i said earlier it didnt work for me so

[surreal maple]

im just putting my honest opinion in and poeple like u guys think everything is overpowered, when it isnt (CARNO)

[daring talon]

i didnt say carno is overpowered dummy
i said dont add yet another herbi that gets 1 shot by it

[jovial hazel]

It supposedly got fixed on the 6th, might want to bug report it if it didn't work after that.

[surreal maple]

they just need to add allo and mia

[daring talon]

or anything that doesnt get 1 shot by carno at this point, preferably a herbivore because the current options are meatwall, tailsaurus, and different flavors of get 1 shot

[surreal maple]

i do want more herbis, and allo, otherwise buff carno back to better accel and stem

*stam

not enough herbis, next update comes with 2 carnis and 1 herbi (besides rex and trike) and stego getting moved to unoffical. So taht means even less herbis.

imma bout to start playing only unnofical lol

and i dont play herbis much bt they need more despretely

[lucid lynx]

@hexed kayak are you ok lol. Croc nv is incredibly bad underwater what are you talking about. Unless your skin is pretty bright you can be almost invisible at the riverbed.

[surreal maple]

fr lol

[jovial hazel]

I think as a juvi it is pretty clear, but that goes away as you get bigger. I know it use to be, been a couple updates since I played much croc.

Which kind of makes sense, to avoid the big ones.

[surreal maple]

wdym, ive never done that tf?

[jovial hazel]

You are very.. abrasive.

[surreal maple]

people just talk back to me so i talk back too

people like to put in bad balance changes

mostly, like nerfing carno more

which isnt good

so point disproven, hop off

[jovial hazel]

You might not struggle with carno so much if you had some friends to play it with you.

[surreal maple]

oh i dont struggle

and i play with people, i just miss old carnp

[jovial hazel]

Because it's a pretty easy dino to play.

But it's a lot stronger with multiple carnos.

[surreal maple]

not as much as it used too

its brain dead to play

[surreal maple]

got more than u lol

and im not 30

whyd u delete that

🫃

[jovial hazel]

😂

[surreal maple]

lpl

[jovial hazel]

Have a good one brudda

[surreal maple]

ye u too brudda

😂

everyone remeber, always end aruguments on good terms🙏 🫃 🐵 🗿 🏳️‍🌈 😵 😭 ❌ 😍 ✅ 🏳️‍🌈 💀

[surreal maple]

they used cheats where they converted fall damage, to their bite

👍

not very nice

fall dmg is like 50-100k dmg, so it oneshots anything

[polar inlet]

He was not falling, just flying up my head and oneshotted me... Why they dont ban these people

[surreal maple]

no, he converted the dmg of falling into his bite

[icy lion]

@polar inlet Please check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[polar inlet]

oh ok

[surreal maple]

so u die no matter waht

[polar inlet]

thank you @icy lion

[surreal maple]

it is hard to detect cheats like that

thats why it hasnt stopped 😭

[polar inlet]

How sad can be a person do it that stuff

[surreal maple]

ye fr

[lucid lynx]

That diet suggestion is really good

I hate when i try to fill a diet slot thats running out and instead it decides to create a whole new slot

Theres alot of problems with how it works rn and that would solve alot

[proud coral]

[void crow]

@proud coral We need that. 🙏

[desert arch]

@tender helm You already get debuffed for eating your own species as a non cannibal dino. There are only 2 dinos that can cannibalise without consequences, these two are deino and cera.

[tender helm]

im talking more about killing out of boredem theres no consequences

[desert arch]

That is not a problem imo. Carnivores should compete between their own, especially if that species is overpopulated, for them, its indirectly beneficial to eliminate competition.

[urban flax]

There can be competition between herbivores too

[void crow]

@shy pond The game isn't optimized very well, and when there's lots of players they probably kill lots of creatures, leaving bodies that cause low FPS or lag.

[north quiver]

@daring talon I don’t think we need more cannibal creatures purely because of the easy sustainability it brings. prime example: old carno, current cera, and current deino

people will kill who they want and when they want regardless of what playable they are

[daring talon]

fair enough

[odd gale]

question, on official servers do they allow cheating? ive been killed by cheaters who can find me and run crazy fast quite a bit the last 2 weeks

[icy lion]

No, of course not. You can see how to report hacking in the pinned messages in the server channels towards the bottom of the discord

[flat ruin]

Why was this down voted so much?

Not like I said to remake every sound

Just it's 1 call

[limber hull]

why does it need to be changed lol

like what's the issue with it besides it sounding like JP

it's literally a JP raptor

[flat ruin]

Then why not the rex be JP rexy

[limber hull]

they are

Isle rex is very clearly inspired by JP's rex

Isle's spino takes clear inspiration from the spino in JP3

it's not like this is a new trend, Dondi likes JP

[burnt bone]

This game is def inspired by JP.

[limber hull]

the reason raptor and rex aren't getting feathered remodels is because they are literally designed to represent their more popular Jurassic Park counterparts. Hell, the devs made the conscious decision to not feather the gallimimus in order for it to bear more resemblance to its JP appearance

[flat ruin]

I did not know that lol

Well now I know

Ty

[burnt bone]

Plus, they said they will likely make an accurate utah in the future (hence why Omni is renamed). So people who like JP raptor get it, and people who want realistic raptor also get it.

[limber hull]

There's some good reasons for this

1: Makes The Isle the unofficial "Jurassic Park open world" game without the legal problems of trying to market yourself as such
2: Very easy to market dinosaurs that appear similar to very recognisable depictions of dinosaurs in popular films (people will def buy a game where they see they get to play as humans against these icon lookalikes)
3: Makes Dondi happy

[low vapor]

I thought they were getting feathered variants at least? That would've been nice. Not even realistic or anything, just a clearly fictional but feathered raptor would be cool.

[limber hull]

we're getting a feathered utahraptor

not to be confused with omniraptor

[low vapor]

Nah I don't like the idea. I just like a fictional feathered raptor

I tend to like the much more agile playables. Omniraptor is a good example. I'm just sad they wont have at least a variant.

Utah is gonna be realistic to the actual dino and is more of a tankier playable. Not a huge fan

Utah is cool and all, just not my style

But I'm confused, did they not say certain playables which would make sense to have feathers get feathered variants?

Pretty sure they mentioned it, though I haven't heard that they confirmed it nor decline it

Also why are we getting a realistic utah btw? I'm assuming it's because of demand, otherwise I don't have a clue

[low vapor]

What if you want both at the same time? I was hyped when I heard certain playables would get a feathered variant (but only for playables where it made sense, so I assumed omni was planned to have a feathered variant knowing raptors). I tend to agile and speedy playables with rather slender builds, so omni is something I like. But I also like feathers (not even realistic feathers, just feathers lmao). Based on how utah is realistically, it's prolly gonna have a more bulky and tanky playstyle so I wouldn't wanna switch over to it.

[sinful yoke]

@low vapor

what is your ishoe?

[low vapor]

My what

[sinful yoke]

why x on sugestion

[low vapor]

Because it isn't neccesary to make a whole new playable heavily inspired by halloween just for the sake of halloween itself

[sinful yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/idiots-idiot-no-intelligent-life-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-17788133

[low vapor]

Also punkinsaurus sounds something straight out of a fantasy game. This game is hinted towards realism

[sinful yoke]

i is for haloween?

skin

[low vapor]

You're mad because I disagree with you? You commented on general feedback dude, you should expect it.

[sinful yoke]

i am mad.? look who is ttslking

your so madt me

GROW UP

[low vapor]

Ight this is a troll lmao

[sinful yoke]

:/

why?

@low vapor ?

[burnt bone]

While I’m fine with the feathered variants idea, it just feels like the worst of both worlds. Omni was designed to appeal to those who like the JP movie monsters, and think feathered dinos aren’t scary. Realistic utah is supposed to appeal to those who like an accurate dino and find those scary. Making Omni feathered doesn’t appeal to either group, it’s no long a scary movie monster and it’s not accurate.

And about changing playables based on appearance, do whatever makes you more happy. Personally, I prefer mechanics over looks. Carno is honestly my favorite irl dino, but I despise it in game. So I instead play a Dino whose mechanics I enjoy more, pachy, who I actually have grown fond of.

[low vapor]

No I said feathered VARIANT. You can have both a featherless omni and feathered omni depending on what you choose. It would at least be nice to have a playable in the middle.

[burnt bone]

I know. And I’m saying the middle doesn’t appeal to either side generally. However, I’m perfectly fine with the idea, since some people do like the middle ground.

[low vapor]

I see. Appearance is more important to me, but mechanics are also priority. I can't enjoy a dino that doesn't work in the first place, no matter how it looks. But if it works properly, then appearance is a priority to me. I just want something that looks nice.

[low vapor]

Ah ok. Apologies for misunderstanding, it's hard to read what people mean.

But yeah, i would certainly like some middle ground. Both omni and utah sound cool in their own way, but I lean towards omni much more due to the playstyle. I just like the idea of it having optional feathers since I just like feathers in general. Not because I'm a realism fan (nothing is wrong with realism, im just not absolutley craving or drooling for it), I just like feathers

I find they look rather

splendid

But I still don't know what happened to the whole feathered variants idea. I know they mentioned it at some point, but I haven't heard if they confirmed it nor scrapped it

[daring talon]

to be fair rex isnt feathered irl
its like elephant hair protofeathers its not a bird

[low vapor]

Regardless, Dondi is gonna make it look like the one from JP

[daring talon]

true

[ivory sandal]

@barren zephyr whole i agree illnesses should be entirely based on what the player does, i would be SO angry if I got punished for playing the game through rain. That would be the most annoying thing ever

[keen iris]

Is this where I can post a concept I have for the isle?

[faint folio]

in #general-feedback

this is the discussion where we all share our opinions about suggestions people make

[hoary drift]

Are they ever going to fix the food not working if you pick it up/ off of trees, literally just picked 7 oranges in a row off a tree and the ground, and they all just got stuck to me. Pachy takes FORVER to eat so it's 10x easier to just eat it off the bush. Not in the current state, I understood it when it barely happened whe. 6.5 came out but ffs how long has it been now? Cmon already.

[limber hull]

no this guy is legit he does this all the time

he's my favourite person on this discord

[ashen wasp]

Until variants, at least (fingers crossed that this hasn’t been scrapped internally hahahahahahahahahahahahaha etc)

[limber hull]

pretty sure it was scrapped internally but not 100% sure so don't take as complete fact

[surreal maple]

its would be cool if u could chose to have featehers/quills or no feathers (eaily could have done for omni)

[limber hull]

yea but they probably won't do it for omni

[surreal maple]

ik

bc they making an accurate utah'

which is dumb bc of that reason

[limber hull]

nah, it's because they want it to be JP raptor

[ashen wasp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/872888908017451028/Feathered_Tyrannosaurus_Head_3D_Model_The_Isle.jpg?ex=653162a5&is=651eeda5&hm=0b39c078d2050a02a4514a4d86e3a874e7c71d6e12b031787f215fa7193faf51&

Eh, well, got far enough to model it at least

[limber hull]

yea but that model was scrapped a good while ago iirc

[ashen wasp]

A shame

[limber hull]

back in early legacy days

[ashen wasp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1134578338200035368/Tyrannosaurus_The_Stomping_Land_The_Isle.webp?ex=6532de6b&is=6520696b&hm=b43c63787e93272d03a7701fb22defe7afc332d73038bcf582a03913c55b315a&

Wait, if you’re talking about the TSL rex here, that’s a different model

Predates The Isle, actually

The one above is much more recent

[full pewter]

I do think it’d be cool if there was an option to have a few quills on the head of Omni, like the raptors in jp3

[full pewter]

The biggest issue with feathered variants is how to make them seem consistent among non feathered variants. Like how can you give players that option, but still make it seem like feathered and featherless variants can walk together as if they were the same species, not to mention nesting

Not that I disagree with the idea of feathered variants cause I’m very much for it

[full pewter]

I like the idea of accurate utah, as someone who has seen actual Utahraptor fossil material, I can actually think of many ways it could differentiate in game from Omni

[low vapor]

That's a bit dumb. People who want to play omni as how it is can play how it is. Those who want feathered omni can play feathered omni.

[low vapor]

Yep that aggravates me. Accurate utah is fine and all, but I'm not craving accuracy. I just want feathered omni lmao

Also why are they even adding an accurate utah since they could care less about accuracy? Demand?

[low vapor]

@surreal maple I think you should've just explained your reasoning instead of saying it's to please paleo nerds. I do want the idea to happen, though im not a paleo nerd, but you need more valid reasoning, otherwise you get downvoted

Also, it sounds a bit unclear if you're saying omni and other playables should have a complete redesign with feathers or if you're simply suggesting the option to choose between scaled and feathered. I literally can't tell

[urban flax]

Ronoc try to write a single message without offending anyone (impossible)

[limber hull]

man really likes to go on the offense, all of the time

[verbal acorn]

@midnight heath
I was just reading up on eyes for my night vision contribution. Learned that those different pupil shapes aren’t nearly as cosmetic as one might think.

The slits provide better focus/acuity along a line perpendicular to the slit. So a vertical slit provides better sight along the horizon. Horizontal slots for a vertical slice…and the gecko with spots along the slit allow it to have images focus at multiple places on the retina in order to aid in depth perception based on how out or in focus each image is relative to the others.

Nerdy stuff, probably more than you’d or anyone else here would want to know…but ha, y’all learned something and can’t unlearn it now!

I’d hope default eye cosmetics references the dino’s niche…but allows us to change it for preference.

[bold oasis]

@fallen reef I love that idea but I think that whatever thing bring in the trees should be 1/4th the size of them

[fallen reef]

Yeah or it should do what it’s shown in the concept art where it jumps on something, rips a meat chunk of and runs back into the trees to eat

[bold oasis]

@fallen reef I would say that it should only be able to bring pieces up or things that it can fit in its mouth/arms then

[midnight heath]

I never really thought they were cosmetic myself and I'm fairly well aware which is why I recommended it! Currently almost all of the carnivores in the game have slit pupils while the herbivores have rounder ones which feels awfully narrow.

Slit shaped pupils are typically a trait of nocturnal species and are designed for absorbing light, the way the pupil retracts in light is to better help protect the eyes while dilating allows the eye to take in more light; I've never heard anything regarding the horizon concept.

Horizontal pupils range from cervidae all the way to ranidae; this pupil shape I have heard regarding the horizontal concept however and it's overall benefits with recognizing threats in the environment as it's most common among animals that are preyed upon.

However the "gecko with spots" is a tokay gecko! Their pupils are designed specifically for better detection of light and gauging distance as this species is nocturnal and arboreal. Compared say to something like a leopard gecko which has more diamond shaped eye despite also being a gecko; their eyes are somewhat designed for light as well but to a far lesser degree which is why they're more diamond shaped rather than pure slits. (They're a crepuscular species of gecko!)

Pupil shape I know also tends to be a trait among genus', for example how owls despite being nocturnal lack slit pupils because they're avian; so I'm aware it's a little more tricky to pin-point what something may have rather than simply what most eye shapes are designed for. Especially when the animals in discussion are extinct.

I'd personally love to see something like Herra with these sort of pupils though as they too somewhat fit the bill at least superficially.

[midnight heath]

Personally I love the idea of it fitting that leopard like-niche on a much smaller scale, dragging up small bodies sounds really neat; I imagine it would drain quite a bit of stamina though.

[limber hull]

@sage sonnet the issue with "mixpacking debuffs" is that they can be EXTREMELY easily exploited to punish non-mixpackers more than actual mixpackers

[sage sonnet]

yes I forgot to say that but can't they do something about mixpacking i am getting sick of it i am not a dev so I don't know any other solution

[limber hull]

in fact, it can HELP mixpackers

for example, 3 raptors stay near a stego but don't attack it in order to give it the debuffs. They then call over their rex friend to just kill the weakened stego, and the stego stands no chance of fighting back

[bold oasis]

@limber hull Well they should try something, mix packing is a huge issue

[limber hull]

it's not a simple issue to solve

[bold oasis]

never said it was. Most of the worst issues game suffer from are not simple @limber hull

[sage sonnet]

yes it's not a simple solution but I just have like 130 hours in game so idk what to say or bring up any good solution to solve it

[bold oasis]

Mix packing isnt an issue that can be solved, but it be lowered

[sage sonnet]

how tho

any ideas ?

[bold oasis]

As it stands, there is everything to gain from mix packing and nothing to earn from not mix packing. You simply reward people not mix packing in some way. Maybe when migration comes out it will change

[lapis swallow]

Discourage it by splitting the animals apart that heavily benefit from eachother (like pachy and stego)

[plain jolt]

@dusky sundial y'know omni is a pack animal

its meant to work together

not fight against each other and eat each other

[urban flax]

Being cannibal is the buff omni needs the least

[sage sonnet]

did the raptors kill other raptors irl?

k searched up it's says they were documents were raptors killed other raptors

we should have dino ai not just boars and deers i guess

[proven ravine]

in my personal opinion. Not all kinds of mixpacks are bad. For example:
Herbivores traveling together. They dont need to fight over food, because theres Enoch for everyone, and they have propably other plants in their diet. A problem is mixpacking herbivores whif carnivores

[sage sonnet]

that's just a herd there is no problem with that but the problem is with carnis/carnis and herbis/carnis

[rare fractal]

dear god imagine the apocalypse...

[proven ravine]

kinda true, but cooperation pteras whif other predator also isn't problem for me. Ptero helps other predator find a prey, for a exchange of eating leftovers

[rare fractal]

It's pretty bad, it makes escaping predators quite literally impossible unless you go underwater or underground

[proven ravine]

maby, i just think that this is Healthy kind of carnis/carnis cooperatnion. Ptero does not provide benefits during combat, and only helps find a prey. BUT he also needs to eat so its less food for a pack

[rare fractal]

It's one of the most gratuitous mixpacks in the game. It's incredibly unhealthy for the game

It quite literally makes stealth attempts after you've been spotted obsolete

And prior, if you are visible to the sky a carno duo could be headed towards you

Even if you've gone to great lengths to avoid sightlines with open areas

[proven ravine]

Hmm, you have a point here. I expirienced something like this only few times. And i didn't felt that my death was unfair. Maby after more incidents like this i would have diffrent opinion

[rare fractal]

Yeah, regardless of personal experience having a ptera with your group eliminates the need for a tracking system. that alone is room enough to claim it's a net negative when every animal can have a ptera at their disposal if they have access to a friend with 40 minutes of free time to grow one

[barren crater]

That's a positive for carnivores

Split herbis up = carnivores get to mixpack and bully the separated herbis

[lapis swallow]

True, didnt really think this through

[barren crater]

ngl, what can you do with carnivores ;(

[surreal maple]

i changed it

[midnight heath]

Recent studies actually suggest that raptors were not pack animals; JP and other media made the idea popular.

Realistically I don't think mix-packing will ever stop being a thing, I genuinely don't understand the big fuss I just avoid them when I see them. All 100 players aren't in that little group afterall.

The issue is just not an easy one and once rules like that are put into place the game stops having the freedom many players want in a game. Plus in my experience people will whine about mix-packing and then jump the chance to let a deino or some other large dinosaur help them.

People are either mad that you KOS or that you don't KOS with no in-between.

[limber hull]

yea but its literally JP raptor

[midnight heath]

You got me there but this is the omni raptor and not JP's velo

||Even though it's the JP raptor||

[limber hull]

it is literally meant to be essentially JP velo tho lol

[midnight heath]

Yeah I know I was yanking your chain a bit, but in terms of realism since that's what people seem hellbent on I thought it was worth pointing out.

[surreal maple]

jp velo was made after the utahs discovery, pretty much based off the real thing but no feathers and weird hands

[limber hull]

what

what does that have to do with anything

[surreal maple]

jp velo was based of utahraptor

[surreal maple]

technically its just utah with no feathers and diff hands

so rlly who is copying who

[limber hull]

omniraptor is nothing like utah

that's why it got renamed, it's an entirely fictional creature

[surreal maple]

omin based of jp velo. JP velo based off utah

so rlly who da copycat

lol im playin

[midnight heath]

I've actually heard mixed things about that, I've heard that at the time the first JP movie came out they weren't super knowledgeable on Utahraptor. I've seen sources claiming that the Utah was discovered anywhere from 1990 to 1993 while JP released in 1993. More so that it was just a happy coincidence that the raptor they created in the movie happened to have a real-life counterpart that resembled it discovered later on.

[limber hull]

@bronze mango how does allo balance maia lol, allo would immediately become the most dominant animal bar-none

[ivory sandal]

That's just misinformation. Utahraptor's discovery happened post JP1, so there was no way that Utahraptor ostrommaysi could've influenced the designs of JP's Velociraptors

Considering Jp proceeded to keep the same base design throughout every film, it's safe to assume that JP has never and never will be influenced by Utahraptor

[low vapor]

I'm pretty sure it's inspired by some sort of large raptor though

[ivory sandal]

Deinonychus antirrhopus is the culprit of that

Achillobator giganticus, Utahraptor ostrommaysi and Dakotaraptor (i forget the species name, forgive me) were all post-JP

[low vapor]

Yeah but I'm pretty sure they confused utah for a large velo at some point (sounds a bit stupid but that's just what i heard) and it wasn't until later on they discovered it was a seperate species. I'm not sure if this is true though since it sounds really weird lmao

[polar ore]

Think s

[ivory sandal]

No, that never happened. There is zero way for paleontologists to mess up that hard unless you're from eht ebony wars

[low vapor]

I know, that's why I said I thought the source of where I heard that seemed weird

[midnight heath]

JP just has a habit of making everything bigger for the sake of making things bigger and JP's velo was a result of that. Again it was really just a coincidence that later a raptor around that size was discovered.

[midnight heath]

Velo is so much smaller than utah, there's no way they'd mix that sort of thing up.

[ivory sandal]

They also have extremely different builds. I personally like saying that Utahraptor is the "T. rex of the dromeosaurs" because it's built like a truck, by dromeosaur standards at least

[ivory sandal]

The true question is

Why is bro not excited for diablo tho

[limber hull]

good question

it's a herbivore that isn't bad (i hope)

[ivory sandal]

Why would he not be excited for diablo then tho

[midnight heath]

I did it as a joke in all honestly, I am just as excited for Dibble as I am afraid

[limber hull]

i just want a herbi that isn't bad man

[midnight heath]

[limber hull]

like not even a joke im just tired of herbis being not worth playing

[ivory sandal]

Yeah I thought so since I coulda sworn I saw your name being excited for diablo just a few days ago

[limber hull]

tenonto is cool, but it loses that cool factor when it gets constantly nerfed to be less cool

[midnight heath]

It was! Someone made a knock at it and I changed it for the time and never bothered to put it back.

Teno is cool until 2 of something shows up

[ivory sandal]

Tenonto was PERFECT in like u6-u5.5 yeah? Didnt it have like zero issues?

[midnight heath]

I really like teno now but the moment 2 carnos enter the picture I'm done for

[limber hull]

(it would be able to deal with that 2 something if its damage wasn't dumpstered)

[midnight heath]

No no I'm sure that what... 100 something DMG for it's alt is great

[ivory sandal]

It's like less than cera's lmb last I checked

[midnight heath]

People just hate on herbis it seems like

[limber hull]

did u know that the goddamn claw swipe is around the same range of damage as its TAIL SLAM

[midnight heath]

Big "wa wa" because it's not walking food

[limber hull]

the moment a carnivore detects it has trouble hunting, it will make a scene

[ivory sandal]

I never saw a single feedback post saying that teno needed nerfs, ig the devs must hate herbis too

I fear for my boy Triceratops

[limber hull]

this is why stego continues to be the most hated animal in the game, despite deino literally existing

[limber hull]

no, there were

there absolutely were

[ivory sandal]

In u6 times? Shiiiiit

[limber hull]

yup

[midnight heath]

I do actually, I've started just clawing the hell out of things that I can't knockdown for the most part for the DMG and bleed but it's still so little.

[limber hull]

i'm just sick of herbis being treated like trash because carni players have the expectation of an easy meal

you think teno is OP? play it and prove it

[midnight heath]

Trike will or should be great but it'll just become the new steg and people will complain that their mid-tier isn't cap-sizing something that weighs twice it's size.

[ivory sandal]

Carno: rams straight head first into 3m thagomizers

Carno: NERF STEGO TOO OP

[limber hull]

its actually insanity

[ivory sandal]

It really is actual brain rot

[limber hull]

repeating the same dumb practice over and over again and pleading for a different result

[midnight heath]

I had two FG carnos sometime back charge me while I was laying, I got up and neither bothered to move and died. I bet you'd never guess they went into Evrima-NA to whine that a steg 2-shot them

A bit ago though while 1v1 a solo cera on it's own could get a steg down to 50% with pretty decent time

[unreal flume]

i think herbis are in a good place powerwise, maybe a little undertuned in some places. their power comes from being in a pack

[limber hull]

ironically, stego is bad

like, unironically, stego is one of the worst animals in the game if we were to place it in a finished roster. It would be melted by most apex tiers. Hell, even acros and suchos would probably have an easy time killing it.

I'd even be so bold to say allos would hardly struggle in small groups. Stego is legit that bad

[ivory sandal]

I think that's cap chief you gotta be lying to me, there are no way carno players are THAT mentally crushed

[limber hull]

i would hard disagree

you should not be reliant on the existence of other herbivores to exist

[unreal flume]

you think they're underpowered?

[limber hull]

i would very much say so, yes

there is not a single herbivore that is not outclassed by a similarly-sized carnivore

[midnight heath]

I would also say they're underpowered

[ivory sandal]

"Their power comes from being in a pack" my brother in christ no one plays herbis in enough numbers to pack because they physically cant function solo besides stego

[midnight heath]

a good player is a good player but you shouldn't need 400+ hours just to hold your own.

[limber hull]

deino is better than stego, objectively
carno and cera are both better than teno
omni is better than pachy
troodon is better than dryo and hypsi

there exists no herbivore that is better than its carnivore counterpart. You can argue stego is better than deino in the 1v1, which can be true, but deino is superior when it comes to fighting anything but stego, and it is superior when it comes to the simple act of survival and growth

[unreal flume]

but how often do you find lone herbis? they are always in a pack. also a teno can stand up to a utan one on one. carno is bigger, still a teno can take it on one on one

[ivory sandal]

Deino is better than everything under 4 tonnes + psuedo apexes and stego, objectively. You need a few adjectives on how utterly busted deino is

[limber hull]

because the lone herbis get literally shredded. There is no place for a lone herbi in the ecosystem, the only people playing herbis are those willing to work around groups, because being alone for .5 seconds will get you kiled

carnis can work solo. Herbis can't

[unreal flume]

yes that is true, solo herbis dont stand a chance alone

[limber hull]

which is why they're bad

[midnight heath]

I don't see that many "packs" of herbis lowkey

maybe 1-2 packs of 3 roaming and that's it.

[unreal flume]

if they're powerful enough to stand up to a carni pack alone, then they would be completely op in a pack

[limber hull]

when migrations arrive and seperate these megaherds, many herbis will be forced to seperate from their protection and fend for thesmelves, making them little more than food

[unreal flume]

one on one the herbis do survive

[midnight heath]

I would disagree

[ivory sandal]

Ofc utah gets slammed by teno, it isnt in the game yet. Omni gets slammed by teno because that is Ryan's World VS Floyd mfing Mayweather. Carno isn't even supposed to hunt teno since teno isn't small game, it's a mid tier. The fact that it can even quarter-health a teno by mindlessly biting its back is stupendous

[limber hull]

not even. Teno loses to carno and cera quite easily in a 1v1, seeing as it literally does less damage than them, and pachy can easily get shredded like paper by an omniraptor

[midnight heath]

Also even if teno kills a solo omni the teno has a really good chance of just bleeding out afterwards

not really a win

[ivory sandal]

Yeah that too

[midnight heath]

What was it, 80% something if you tail-slam a FG carnos head?

[unreal flume]

i do agree with most of what you're saying, though the buffing of herbis must be done in the right way

[midnight heath]

That's actually absurd

[limber hull]

teno used to be able to stand against 2-3 carnos solo

despite this, we still did not have tenos everywhere, because it required a level of competency and skill to pull off such a feat, and carnivores will always be preferred

[unreal flume]

i see, what do you suggest be done?

[ivory sandal]

Have teno be able to competently defend itself against 2 carnos

[midnight heath]

Please help it's bleed pool because my God

[limber hull]

make herbivores a threat alone. Make carnivores forced to consider their options, rather than view them as food. Wait for herbivores to seperate from larger groups for an ambush, disrupt them using your pack to attack the weaklings, play opportunistically rather than just run into a pack of healthy herbis and assume victory

[midnight heath]

But I'll have to work for my food! I'm a big carnivore, scary even and an absolute threat to everything I encounter!

[ivory sandal]

Buff bleed pool

Buff tail slam

Nerf the carnivores

Bam ez ggs

[unreal flume]

i do think most of these balance issues will be fixed as more of the roster is released

[ivory sandal]

Absolutely not

[midnight heath]

I just want ceras stam decreased, carnos hitbox/charge fixed and omnis to genuinely suffer. Punish those pounces and fix tap-bleeding.

I'll be fine with deino once Gateway is out

[unreal flume]

why not?

[ivory sandal]

You can't fix balance by flooding in with more playables, otherwise you get legacy

[limber hull]

how? teno isn't getting better because diablo exists

teno will still be bad if diablo exists

[midnight heath]

There's the scary chance Dibble is worse

[unreal flume]

their power will be adjusted in accordance to other playables existing, like stego will be stronger. and deino will be stronger

they're like an incomplete puzzle

[midnight heath]

I can't see where you're getting at

[unreal flume]

it's impossible to balance now

[midnight heath]

Disagree

[limber hull]

it is very possible lol

[unreal flume]

maybe im wrong, im just trying to understand

[ivory sandal]

If deino is stronger I will attempt uninstallation on myself because my God it's broken enough

[limber hull]

step 1: make teno and pachy not garbo
step 2: make carno less of a goddamn trainwreck

hey presto the game is better

literally, those two elements are the worst parts of the current balance

[unreal flume]

yes, right now it is broken, because there are no competitors for it

[unreal flume]

i do agree with you

[limber hull]

and there won't be until spino exists

[unreal flume]

yes exactly, which is why this balance will be garbo until more animals are released

[midnight heath]

I just hope Gateway makes less deinos

[limber hull]

less deinos would be nice

[midnight heath]

I can't believe someone wanted to buff deino so it could travel on land to safer watering pools and so many people agreed

[ivory sandal]

Deino will still be op regardless of competition because it literally oneshots anything 4 tonnes or smaller

[midnight heath]

it does not need a buff nor will deinos going to safe watering holes prevent "hot spots"

Center is a hotspot and it's crammed with those crooks.

[ivory sandal]

Not even T. Rex can do that

[limber hull]

we don't know that yet :P

[midnight heath]

That pin

[limber hull]

we know rex has a grab, so... who knows

[unreal flume]

i'm sure something will be able to completely obliterate a deino

[ivory sandal]

Let me have hope for a good tomorrow dammit

[midnight heath]

I don't think that'll happen for a long time

[limber hull]

that'd be spino, and even then, deino can just leave

[unreal flume]

yes lol

[midnight heath]

I think deino just won't be able to cannibalize right away and have all it's food right there on Gateway nor will people have to drink from massive rivers with the fear of getting grabbed

so less people will play it because it will be even more boring

[north quiver]

the more I see people fighting for stronger herbivores that don’t eat grass and die, the more serotonin I’m filled with

[midnight heath]

and harder to grow

[limber hull]

i stand for herbivores that bad carni players cry about in balance feedback

[north quiver]

100%

[midnight heath]

Give me Anky please

[limber hull]

if you wanted to play a carnivore, realise that you have to be good at PvP

[midnight heath]

I want to cripple cocky carnivores

[unreal flume]

play stego 👍

[midnight heath]

I do like stego

I just wish it had more to do

[unreal flume]

only way to die as stego is by other stegos

[limber hull]

or troodons, or tenos, or ceras, or omnis

all of those can kill stego

stego is not that good, it's very overrated

[midnight heath]

That's how I've died most times, died to deinos whilst crossing because as much as people whine it's so easy to kill a crossing FG steg you genuinely just get in front of it and it can't fight back because it's swimming.

[unreal flume]

like you said earlier most carni players are very bad

[limber hull]

generally my least fave animal. Long growtime for an underwhelming experience that's just objectively worse than deino

i will barely ever be caught playing stego. It isn't fun, it's another herbivore that suffers from incomplete syndrome

the best part about it is skill-checking deinos

[midnight heath]

Once you're big people either: A. Flock to you for safety or adoption. B. Start fights and run around you or C. Attack you to either just be annoying or because they're overly confident.

[ivory sandal]

(And if they pass the skill check you just die because deino does the funny thing)

[limber hull]

yup

because stego is not at all OP

[midnight heath]

But my cera!

[unreal flume]

not op, but the strongest animal in the game as of now

[limber hull]

nope

[midnight heath]

Deino has way more going for it

[limber hull]

that'd be deinosuchus, by a long shot

[ivory sandal]

Deinosuchus literally oneshots everything in the game except for stego. The answer is deino

[midnight heath]

You can just bite and not lose stamina, steg has to use stamina with every swing. Deino has so much health and can bite whilst moving

[unreal flume]

STOP MAKING SENSE

like i said earlier, it's an incomplete puzzle

[midnight heath]

You can walk infront of a steg and just keep biting it's head, if it tries to readjust so you're not constantly hitting it's crit it can't attack you. It's only chance is to slowly swing forward and it's not going to make it if that deino is alt-biting the entire time.

[unreal flume]

we wait and see, maybe in 10 years when dilo is out

[icy lion]

What's a dilo gonna do?

[unreal flume]

it would be nice if stego could walk while swinging wouldn't it

[midnight heath]

People would whine if it could

[unreal flume]

more like spino or rex

[ivory sandal]

8k health, 500 damage, no stam cost bite, 4k effective damage, likely fastest planned semi-aquatic, there are zero disadvantages this thing has that dont just get cancelled by proxy of it being semi aquatic

[midnight heath]

I genuinely don't think it's punished enough for being on land

I see deinos crawl into center carefree if there's not a steg present.

[limber hull]

damage potential
stego: 1250 damage with tailwhip (can be increased by headshots to 2500 on another stego)
deino: 4000 with lunge. Straight up deadliest attack in the game

health:
stego: 6000HP with no resistances and a special weakness to headshots
deino: 8000HP with the highest bleed res in the game and no other vulnerabilities. It is also incapable of vomiting, making it immune to ceras primary form of offense

mobility:
stego: slow as hell on land and in water
deino: slow as hell on land, but the fastest creature in the water, capable of vertical movement to submerge itself. Can also make itself even faster in water using lunge

other:
stego: none
deino: highest oxygen pool in the game, the only animal in the game with water sense, ability to eat bones, ability to cannibalise, ability to eat rotten meat, best stealth mechanic in the game, most potent ambush in the game

[ivory sandal]

Hear me out:

Deino should cost double the stam in all stages it does currently sprinting and sub adults and adults should cost stam for trotting

[limber hull]

stego not even REMOTELY close to the strongest

it wishes it were

[midnight heath]

People just don't learn the first time they walk up to it and die

And poor deinos can't grab it : (

[limber hull]

life so hard for deino players thats why 25+ are on every server at all times :(

[midnight heath]

God forbid there's one thing out of the entire roaster they can't insta-gib with a lunge

[unreal flume]

you are right, just that deino is limited to water, or just near the water. a stego can just walk away

[midnight heath]

It is not limited to the water

[unreal flume]

it is though

[limber hull]

stego is limited to wherever it's standing and EVERYONE can walk away

no one ever has to engage a stego

[midnight heath]

I've been outstammed on land by a deino after a fight because they just don't have to use their stamina

[limber hull]

there is never a point where you are forced to fight a stego unless you are a deino who decided "hmmm today i shall migrate 50m inland"

[midnight heath]

It shouldn't be able to chase me onto land and still have stam to alt-bite

It's a stretch but I wouldn't be opposed to cutting it's stam in half when on land if they really want to keep the "limited to the water" thing

[limber hull]

it's limited to water until stego is moved to unofficials, where nothing will ever threaten it on land

have fun with that btw lol

[unreal flume]

[midnight heath]

People bush camping, grabbing a cera, dragging it into the water and still having stamina to drown it is absurd.

[limber hull]

the mighty predator

[ivory sandal]

Objectively false, Deinosuchus can survive on land just as effectively as it can in water. Land deino is an actual strat

[midnight heath]

I love seeing the water apex on land 🙃

[unreal flume]

let's take a deep breath of copium and say that gateway and time will fix it

[midnight heath]

Gateway will I think fix a lot

[limber hull]

it won't bring the herbis back on its own tho :P

[ivory sandal]

Less of a problem =/= zero problem

[unreal flume]

near water i'd say, not completely out of it

[midnight heath]

Less is a start

If it's not near water genuinely it's only threat is a steg

[ivory sandal]

Nah you could go full inland and nothing can harm you because of your monstrous 8k health and a bite that 3 clicks cera and 4 clicks carno

[midnight heath]

I could care less being in the middle of a feild as a FG deino, nothing is going to move me. Hell, thirst is the only thing pushing me to even head back so long as a steg isn't around.

[unreal flume]

the isle

[ivory sandal]

Deino DOES have the capacity to fight stegos inland as well btw

I've seen it happen before its just 99% of deino mains are trash

[limber hull]

balanced animal

[ivory sandal]

Generally to fight stego super inland a deino would wsnt to roll in a pair, in a pair it just definitively stomps with minor losses

Since iirc its just as fast if not faster than stego

[unreal flume]

isn't deinos stamina really bad on land?

[limber hull]

yep, but don't matter when everything else is good

[midnight heath]

I mean if you don't use your stamina on land you're still going to have it

walk your way around and you're fine

[ivory sandal]

Yeah and it recovs while walking too so the loss itself wouldn't matter against much other than stego

[midnight heath]

But yeah, Steg is the OP one.

[daring talon]

why would they
add cannibalism
to a pack hunter?

[north quiver]

so an already powerful playable can be easier to sustain obviously. omni clearly needs to be far more easy than it already is

[lapis swallow]

@lunar bane the look is like that because its supposed to be a 90s look

[barren zephyr]

Not sure why people like to AFK eat as herbivores but okay 💀
#general-feedback message

[urban flax]

I saw the pictures and thought it looked like a "Soul" VS "Soulless" UI comparison

Except the dino editor one, I guess the 2 versions are equivalent

[lapis swallow]

The dino UI looks like its from a mobile game

[urban flax]

Pretty much
But the one we have right now is also pretty uninteresting

[lapis swallow]

I respect the effort in the post, doing all the UIs, but I still like the current UI more than that

[urban flax]

Yeah

[cunning gorge]

@lunar bane the thing I think that doesn’t work with the style of menu screens and UI that you made is that is feels like an average video game screen. Not that that is a bad thing, in fact what you made is very professional, clean, and easy to read, and I respect that you probably put a lot of time into making them. However, the Isle is a very lore-based game and it’s almost in its own genre at this point. The Isle wants to feel real and not just another video game where you hit play and eat and drink. It’s hard for me to describe, but the Isle has a strict style of its own and something more modern than what it already has doesn’t fit well with it. Again, your designs you made are still very good, and I hope I don’t sound like I’m hating on you are anything >_<

[lunar bane]

Thanks for your kind words! ❤️

[cunning gorge]

Of course! You really do have a lot of talent with designing that kind of stuff, so keep it up!

[feral solstice]

The UI overhaul is absolutely amazing, although it doesn’t really fit the aesthetics of what the isle is going for.

It should feel like a terminal, or monitor that you’re controlling, as it does now, but more up to date. Kinda like Hackers interpretation of the menu screen

[low vapor]

I know and thats why i said IT SOUNDED WEIRD. I aint stupid, I knew what I heard sounded super off.

[burnt bone]

Make it so they can’t hunt: #general-feedback message

[low vapor]

@lunar bane I personally quite like the screenshot for the skin system, but everything else should probably stay the same. It's supposed to look like the 90s or similar to JP technology

[barren crater]

Sounds good :)

[barren zephyr]

can we actually have our saved servers work feel this is such a simple fix yet been a problem so long

[wraith folio]

@barren zephyr They have added that type of system with gateway!

[surreal maple]

🥵

looks like they bringing back old carno skins (up5)

yay

[barren crater]

That's old

Like late Dec / Jan

[surreal maple]

damn, thought it was new