general-feedback-discussion

[south oar]

Unless you've already refunded the game

[fiery shell]

#general-feedback message for this you can already auto-run, you press 2 times in your run bouton and your dino run alone. (That work for me)

[valid brook]

@upbeat scaffold when you log into the server, you can see if there are public eggs

[upbeat scaffold]

Yeah need a feature where I don't have to login, so people don't have to post their eggs in chat and we can see if they're available, maybe even an additional feature where it says which kinda dino eggs it is

[valid brook]

i see, i would maybe clarify that in your post so its easier to understand. maybe something like "Let public eggs be seen from the server browser" or something like that

[upbeat scaffold]

That is well put

[limber hull]

honestly, a little "egg" icon to show if a server has availible eggs would actually do wonders

[valid brook]

^ yeah, think theres a lot of reasonable ways it could be done

[upbeat scaffold]

Exactly yeah, and when you hover over it, it shows which species are available

[limber hull]

i don't even need that, just an egg icon would be good enough for me lol

[upbeat scaffold]

I'd be very happy with that

[winter mulch]

Why do people want to pounce on a Utah that is already on another Dino?

[desert arch]

So omni isnt even more "just spam pounce" than it already is

There needs to be a risk in it

[urban flax]

So people have to use one braincell isntead of spamming pounce through their packmates

[winter mulch]

True that

[desert arch]

Also falling due to pouncing another pack member is deserved, you should be rewarded for being stupid

[winter mulch]

Only issue I have now is how long it takes to recover, I was in the ground for ab 5 seconds and die to a cera bc of it

[urban flax]

That's fair considering missing a pounce has no recover at all

Not even a slight slowdown

[winter mulch]

Yeah but 5 seconds on the ground? It seems pretty unfair to accidentally pounce on someone and then having to die bc of it

[desert arch]

Dont spam pounce, get better at timing or assemble a coordinated pack through vc

[winter mulch]

Most people ain’t doing all that

[urban flax]

Being in VC ain't necessary, but people should definitely be punished for making such a mistake

In other games randoms can coordinate and make skillful plays without being in premade them, why couldn't people do the same in The Isle ?

[limber hull]

as a troodon player, i def feel that people really hate thinking about pounces

they just RMB at whatever is closest

[winter mulch]

I’m sure with time people will get better at pouncing at the actual target but we will still accidentally pounce another, for example: you are ab to pounce and the Dino turns around and you pounce on the raptor who is already pounced on the other side, the recovery shouldn’t be an instant death

[barren crater]

That isn't going to happen

Pounce has been in the game for years at this point and people keep messing it up. Expecting a group of randoms to be coordinated is asking a lot

[limber hull]

also idk why but the isle is where skill goes to die

packs of omnis are still losing to solo carnos, you really can't reason with this

[barren crater]

Sad to see.

Then people complain about the tools they have

[limber hull]

basically, yea

[barren crater]

I do think pouncing when other raptors are on is pretty jank. The reward isn't even that great when compared to tap poucing

[limber hull]

yea

tap pouncing needs a nerf imho, honestly, bleed rampup the longer you remain latched would be ideal

[barren crater]

A full unbucked pounce should be devastating imo

If they don't manage to buck the raptor off

[limber hull]

yea, for real

[barren crater]

Like enough to nuke a Carno looool. In terms of bleed. Like even standing it likely bleeds out. So out of stam? It's over

[limber hull]

100%

I love the idea of omni being an endurance exhaustion pred

[barren crater]

Honestly, just watching a Carno run around without a care and a solo good omni rushes it when it's out of stamina

I want that

Onto Omni, group pounce should be looked at

Well bleed *
my bad

I think if you're lower on bleed, your acceleration and attack speed should be slower

[jovial hazel]

I feel like stamina regen being affected is already pretty detrimental.

[barren crater]

It is, but if you're 'nuking' tap pounce, I think that if they play a longer game, they should get a better reward.

Also helps in the stego matchup and other large game hunting matchups

[limber hull]

i think it's fine

[barren crater]

Makes it so creatures that are bleeding heavily aren't performing like they're at 100%

Wouldn't just be for Omni, but other bleeders as well

[jovial hazel]

Fine to add attack rate and acceleration debuffs to it as well?

I agree tap pounce is too good right now too.

[barren crater]

Maybe attack rate is overdone, but I do think acceleration debuffs would be nice

[jovial hazel]

Tap pounce should be viable, but right now it's just better all around on most targets.

[limber hull]

honestly, controversial take, you could make all attacks take stamina (including regular bites), and achieve essentially the same effect

trying to attack on no stam either doesn't work or SIGNIFICANTLY diminsihes attack damage/rate

[barren crater]

Would be fine if run times were buffed

[jovial hazel]

That would be interesting.

[limber hull]

oh for sure

(they should be buffed regardless tbh)

Gateway and Migrations are coming soon, and I want to actually, y'know, be ready for that

[barren crater]

Definitely. I remember playing on the Gateway with the current runtimes... Sat down so many times when I tried to get to NE plains from the aviary

As a Carno *

[limber hull]

Playing Gateway as Carno literally made me obsessed with pursuit carno lol

Because the only thing that made Carno viable in that short preview was literally the broken hitbox

[barren crater]

You would know hehe

[limber hull]

God that fight was insufferable lol

If that hitbox wasn't like that, my tenonto would've been alive and happy

[barren crater]

Yeah, it was a lame fight. Literally couldn't do a thing without charge. The turn is criminal.

[limber hull]

Like there was nothing more eye-opening than, as a TENONTO, getting knocked down by a hit to the tail

The tip of tenonto's INSANELY long tail still counted as a body hit

[barren crater]

Also latency *

[limber hull]

Oh yea, that too

I genuinely think carno has been SO close to actually being good but they consistently keep missing the mark

I really hope Gateway acts as the eye opener

For God's sake, just nerf the damage and balance from there

[barren crater]

I do think knockdown threshold should be lowered. If they ever do buff runtimes

[limber hull]

That too, yea

[barren crater]

Like Cera would probably contest better (still likely lose) if it wasn't getting flipped

[limber hull]

I'd say nerfing the charge to a 50% weight knockdown, 200-250 damage attack would be an excellent way to start buffing the base stats like stam, trot speed and agility

[barren crater]

I'd even nuke it further if it was to be buffed agility wise

[limber hull]

Fair

Honestly stam and trotspeed is all I really want atm

[barren crater]

That would be ideal from a getting to places thing / avoiding confrontations, but in terms of hunting small game, it needs that update 5 turn. Still can juke them tbf

Would just be horrifying lol

[limber hull]

Keep the accel, stops it from chargespamming and forest stuff

[barren crater]

yeah that

[winter mulch]

nah

[pine oak]

Do we have anybody here that is pretty decent on computers?

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr Obviously it's a suggestion for the far future, not for tomorrow

[winter mulch]

what part of a computer

[faint folio]

I agree completely. Honestly I think galli is a pretty good example of what carno should be. Not identical, but the same kind of build-- fast, reasonably maneuverable (to be able to follow its prey), pursuit predator. The key to that kind of build is trading raw takedown power of charge for manueverability. They tried buffing carnos movement, but they didn't trade for anything else which was the problem

[winter mulch]

Carno is so slow on everything it does rn

[vague canopy]

🙂

[limber hull]

@plush pumice carno doesn't need to be a cannibal, cannibal carno was extremely easy to grow and survive as, and it made megapacking extremely easy

also, carno's speed has not once been changed, and in fact, the 55.5km/hr speed carno can run at is very accurate to irl

cera is a cannibal because it's an opportunistic scavenger that eats everything, while carno is meant to be a small game hunter that relies on speed and aggressive hunting tactics

[plush pumice]

Meanwhile the department dosent make it “easier” for a canni to grow, people will target them most the time and kill then, T. rex I recall was a canni as well most carnivores were, even alligators (dinosaurs today)

[limber hull]

cannibalism makes it easier to overpopulate. A single corpse of a cannibal dinosaur can feed 4+ other members of their kind, giving them tons of nutrients to sustain themselves and grow, and removing the need to hunt any animal besides their own

failed a pack hunt? eat the dead packmate and you're good, it doesn't matter

[plush pumice]

It doesn’t make it earlier it makes it harder because there eating each other

[limber hull]

if a server has 100 T-Rexes, and they're all cannibals, it'll work just fine. Every T-Rex can eat another T-Rex, and there's absolutely no need for species diversity.

If a server has 100 T-Rexes, and they aren't cannibals, they will suffer malnutrition, struggle to even grow and eat and suffer extensive debuffs.

[plush pumice]

I never said I didn’t want cannis💀

I said they need to bring canni carno back

The diet now sucks

[limber hull]

Not really, no. A non-cannibal carno can still kill another carno in competition for food without eating it. In fact, it encourages you to kill another, irregardless of cannibalism, as food becomes limited

Cannibalism mainly finds its use in sustaining megapacks

If 1 of your 7 carno friends dies, the other 6 can eat it and get tons of free food and nutrition

[plush pumice]

Dude it gives you a de buff when you eat a other carno

[limber hull]

So don't eat it

You're killing it for the hunting grounds

If there isn't enough food to share, one will likely kill the other to survive

[plush pumice]

Dude there is a body down rule in most servers you have to eat it

[limber hull]

The game isn't balanced around the body-down rule, it's balanced around the official experience

And in the official experience, cannibalism causes megapacks

And it makes it much easier to grow and survive

it barely ever limits population

if it did, deinos wouldn't be constantly at a population of over a quarter of the server

[plush pumice]

there is no mega packs anymore its called rules ❤️ also deinos, ceras, and carno r all cannis they would eat each other before that happened

[limber hull]

they eat each other when they die to whatever they're hunting. Carnos used to bumrush tenos, lose, then just eat the other carnos because it's easier than actually trying to hunt

also, again, not everyone plays on rule servers. I certainly dont

[plush pumice]

if i was a carno i would go back to my dead body but, i dont see the prob, because it makes it hard for babies to get big because other carnos would eat them

so really no ❤️

[limber hull]

other babies get big much easier because they can eat a complete 1800kg carno corpse with organs and nutrition

compared to actually having to find and hunt other species

other carnos kill babies because they want to, cannibalism barely plays a part in that

but you wouldn't know because you play on rule servers

[plush pumice]

dude the diet sucks ❤️ we only have 2 ai on the diet when there was 3, we cant eat each other with thr urge to, we barley have anything on our diet and dosent give us diet unless they take the organs, but like a said, if u play on a server with body down rule, u have to stay with the body (it also keeps down the ping and fps)

[limber hull]

2 AI is much better because it actually means the carno can't just farm AI for perfect diet, it actually has to do things

[plush pumice]

but utah can??

XDDDDDD YOU MAKE NO SENSE

XDD LMFAO

[limber hull]

what

[plush pumice]

utah can eat a rabbit (s diet), deer (2 line), and boar (hex diet also known as dots)

[limber hull]

omni is smaller, it's lower in the food chain, so it should get more value from AI. Carno is larger and has a wider scope of what it can hunt independently, so it should have less AI

[plush pumice]

dude, i can easy kill a full grown carno as a solo omni :/

because the carno bleed sucks

[limber hull]

well, tbf, carno does suck atm, but that's an issue with it just getting tons of unnecessary nerfs while still keeping an OP charge

[plush pumice]

i never said to not de buff the charge

i jumped over the charge of a carno i was 2 feet in the air and got nocted i think they need to fix it

[limber hull]

My main problem is how much damage it does

It's an absurdly high amount for a move that also deals knockdown

Nerfing the damage would actually mean they can buff stuff like stamina and trot speed (stuff carno desperately needs)

[plush pumice]

i understand what ur saying but i think they need to bring canni back, makes more fun and more nerve racking, most the stuff yes they need to fix (THE CHARGE HIT BOX FOR CRYING OUT LOUD) but yes mainly i agree

you should try islander server sometime, its easy rules and etc its a very nice server

[limber hull]

canni was super boring to me because it made it too easy to grow and gave zero risk to group hunts

i prefer this newer carno because i fear the danger of hunger and malnutrition way more, and am more desperate to actually succeed the hunt

[limber hull]

i live in Australia and can't stand the arbitrary body down rules that make the game so insufferably slow-paced and dull, I'm not enduring 300+ ping for that experience, legacy showed me how horrid it really is

[plush pumice]

kinda sure but i did fear other carnos even in a group, it can still be very dangerours

[limber hull]

i still fear other carnos because they'll just kill you at random because they want to, or you pose a risk to their food

[plush pumice]

weird because it runs good it dosent go over 110, it mainly stays at 90s but ive always have a prob is offical servers because the ping is insane

[limber hull]

i live in Australia, it's going to be bad ping

[plush pumice]

that sucks for me its good

i live in flordia so prob why

[limber hull]

probably because you're not Australian lol

[plush pumice]

true lol

well nice talk i agree with most the things you say, but yes they really badly need to work on the hit box on the charge, and a few other things

i hope the admins will look at this chat and see what most players agree on, but yes it kinda would be to easy to be a canni, but also it can get kinda boring to always be starving and always fighting, i would like to chill for a min without my food getting below 20

[north quiver]

I honestly love official servers because they keep you on your toes. my only issues are the cannies who kill just because they get enjoyment out of it and like streaming it

[plush pumice]

fr that is why i play unofficial because it helps with it

[limber hull]

i mean, i'd still rather be randomly KOSed than have to deal with rules lol

[north quiver]

I’d play unnofficials but I don’t think there’s a single server that only has no canni (and/or mixpacking) rules, and they’re actually populated lol

[plush pumice]

islander haves those rules, but the no canni dosent aply only if its on ur diet, but mixpacking is not allowed only herbis r which makes sense, they can only have so many herbis in a herd and if there over packing people will report and they get in trouble for it

[limber hull]

yea that's way too convoluted rules lol

[north quiver]

canni species are fine, but I don’t think islander only has those two rules

[limber hull]

the last time I played on a rule server, I had admins stalking my steam page for minor infractions, I'm never touching that

[north quiver]

that’s honestly creepy

[limber hull]

they were streaming it to other users in their discord

publically

again, never touching another Isle rules server as long as I live

[north quiver]

[warm kernel]

they are like azura , obscura , islander , petit pieds with no mixpacking , and a social score based if ur canni or not toxic or not , if social score to bad ur ban

official server full of mixpack , overpack , ptera troo scout for pack , toxic stego and fully unstable until one month

[limber hull]

the concept of a social credit system in a dinosaur game will never not be funny to me

[warm kernel]

no need to be funny , need to be here for toxic players if u dont type .stats in the channel u will never know ur social score

[safe hearth]

I make the same experience, but sadly with herbis lol

[lapis swallow]

i mean, if you just play normally, you wont even notice it

but its really funny

[undone pewter]

Then you have the choice of litterally every other servers.

[safe hearth]

wow but I think that was really an isolated case.
I was on 3 and am an admin myself.
I've experienced poaching, but not that.

[undone pewter]

[lapis swallow]

Me, who cant play on the server because my PC refuses to run the isle without fatal errors

[safe hearth]

By the way: i love Australia ❤️

[undone pewter]

I think it's pretty obvious that not all unofficial servers are equal.

[urban flax]

I sense self-advertising

[limber hull]

you taking a statement about a concept i find funny way too personally

if i were to pick a community server, it'd probably be yours

[urban flax]

I sense flirt

[limber hull]

nah

just the rules on his seems the least egrigious

[urban flax]

:P

[last lily]

[lapis swallow]

I sense :p

[limber hull]

@gleaming silo pachy doesnt need to stun carno/cera sized animals again, that was hell

[gleaming silo]

devs should bring back the stun but the dino that is larger than omni and pachy should be stunned but only if it was headbutted into the head

[limber hull]

what?

pachy does do stuns to omni-sized animals

[desert arch]

Also only stunning things when hit in the head is stupid, the opponent can just turn around and alt bite...

[limber hull]

yea

i also feel it adds a layer of inconsistency

[desert arch]

Juvi pachy stunning fg ceras

[gleaming silo]

ofc its not going to be like that 💀 at least i hope so

[desert arch]

That would add so much unnecessarry weight calculations its not even funny, its also just fundamentally flawed, pachy would still be garbage

[gleaming silo]

i can admit pachy was op but it didnt need to get a such nerf 💀

[desert arch]

If cerato didnt exist pachy would actually be decently balanced

[gleaming silo]

then they need to nerf cera instead of buffing pachy

like some ppl said they need to decrease its stam amount cuz it can literally outrun everything, remove vomit lock, decrease its speed

[limber hull]

it def needed the nerf, but it needed stuff like a speed buff or something to compensate

[gleaming silo]

not sure if it needs a speed buff but if they add it if they remove the vomit lock and decrease its stamina then it sounds pretty valid with the speed buff

[jovial hazel]

Every dino loses hunger faster than diet. You are probably eating bones or rotten bodies. Rotten gives no nutrients and bones give less nutrients than food. You can't fill nutrients with bones before your hunger fills.

[gleaming silo]

wrong channel if u wanna make a suggestion

o

[jovial hazel]

Was in response to a suggestion.

[gleaming silo]

ok

mb

[jovial hazel]

All good.

[knotty shoal]

@plush pumice If u are a foot in the air then your oly 12 inches above ground meaning 3 metre tall Carno would absolutely still hit you

[agile roost]

I'm not really, it's actually an issue that has been mentioned before

Oh wait I'm confused

[minor valley]

bro, can anyone tell me why im having 350 ping? every 5 minutes I have good internet

[north quiver]

servers are unfortunately being dogwater and they’ve been that way for a while

[minor valley]

if the official game servers awful, that bad, realy realy bad negativity for the game.

[north quiver]

yea I’ve personally stopped playing for now because of it. I’m just waiting for it to be fixed. it didn’t feel all too good when I got kicked 10 feet away by a teno and rammed even farther away by a carno lol

[azure ruin]

I had 300 ping on an eu server lmao

[minor valley]

than you will get killed because of it, and good luck growing for hours your next dino 😂

[agile roost]

At this point, just play unofficials, nothing else you can really do.

[north quiver]

I got as much as 400 on the us servers when it got really bad

[desert arch]

#general-feedback message "We should make cerato even more op than it already is!"

Why do people think cerato needs that high of a biteforce...

[azure ruin]

I play on Unnoficial servers 🙂 Ping seems awful only on Officials.

[azure ruin]

[limber hull]

lmao it already out-DPSes carno

and has the ability to charge up its bite for more damage

[north quiver]

because they get angy when carnos destroy them solo

[desert arch]

It should be able to win a facetank though!☝🤓

[alpine steeple]

This game is only a few short months away from becoming the way day z is. Listen to the community please this is a awesome game. Possibly one the best concepts ive ever come across for a game, but it always seems good concepted games get their corners cut due to the sheer size of the concept itself. resulting in a terribly buggy unfinished game, which clearly we are here.

[civic peak]

I'm not too sure how you're expecting a finished product from a game in its alpha phase.

Also people have been claiming the game is dead or dying for years. I have yet to see it happen.

[alpine steeple]

day z isnt dead either its an unsupported game that receives bs updates....

[upbeat scaffold]

I feel like incest should be implemented to different levels, even some species today practice it without repercussions

[civic peak]

How is the game unsupported?

[jovial hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-22886423

[civic peak]

Like, the isle I should say

I have yet to see evidence that the dev team isn't working on the game

[alpine steeple]

its been very clear for awhile now that people are giving up on this game. im not here to argue

your assuming to much about what im saying, take what im saying and thats it

[civic peak]

What people? I'm people and I haven't given up

[upbeat scaffold]

Bought the game at summer sales, best purchase of the year

[alpine steeple]

me lmao

scroll up youll find 10 in 30 seconds

[civic peak]

Yeah, but you aren't the entire community

[alpine steeple]

right? never claimed to be

[civic peak]

But you're saying people are giving up on this game, but then give you as the example

[upbeat scaffold]

https://steamcharts.com/app/376210#1y If you check this you'll see that the hype did go down

[alpine steeple]

this game runs like dawg rn all i want is for it to be fixed, everyone is waiting not just me

[civic peak]

Don't get me wrong, there are issues with the game, but nothing that time and work won't fix

[upbeat scaffold]

But it comes in waves every year tbh, it's to be expected

[alpine steeple]

your kind of nitpicking my words alright man im not here to be twisted around ik damn well my opinoin doesnt mean jack to u hence why i wasnt even talking to u

[civic peak]

Oh yeah, the numbers always tick up on the updates, then go back to a more baseline number

Glad you're liking the game lizard.

[upbeat scaffold]

I'm just 82h in

[civic peak]

I've had it for years now, still love it

Nice. I've got around the 800 range

Some folks have thousands though

Anyways, I'll pop off since we're not chatting about feedback anymore.

[upbeat scaffold]

What's your take on incest

[alpine steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-weird-ugly-hi-wave-gif-17581669

[upbeat scaffold]

I mean genuinely, some animal species practice it still to this day to some degree without repercussions, I feel like dinos shouldn't be much different

[void crow]

@lament lagoon "Buff cerato bite force to 195, its mouth is litterly twice the size of carnos mouth it needs a better biteforce." It's supposed to be a scavenger, not a hunter. I believe in one of the devblogs BEFORE the update, that the devs said it was actually quite slow and had a lot bite force for it's size. They can hunt but are supposed to mainly scavenge.

[civic peak]

@upbeat scaffold personally I'm fine with it not being in the game.

[upbeat scaffold]

First apparition of a gamer not wanting more content to the game, colorized 2023

[void crow]

And second. People would just play on servers with eggs.

[ebon coyote]

Sorry, I added more description @icy lion

[marble abyss]

@plush pumice Major skill issue

[full pewter]

@ebon coyote whoa now that you mention tany would be a good addition imo. Some semi aquatics with more connection to the ocean, especially considering how the devs plan to expand on the ocean. Id also maybe want to apply nothosaurus into this

[plush pumice]

u can be reported for bullying ❤️

[lucid robin]

cringe

[marble abyss]

💀

[blazing grail]

bullyingXD

[lucid robin]

lmao ikr

[normal lotus]

I must say my friend. The bleed on carno is alright. Maybe if things get dicey. Just leave the fight. Get to a mud pit or somethin.

[normal lotus]

@plush pumice

[limber hull]

i think carno bleed is stupid, simply because i think the nerf is arbitrary as all hell and only makes carno even more weirdly terrible in all things but charge

[normal lotus]

Fair enough

[limber hull]

like carno bled out fast already

it's a sprinter. It bleeds fast by default

the whole "making it bleed out even faster" was a bizarre thing caused by omni mains getting mad that they had a predator that killed them and they couldn't consistently kill back

and now they have cera and deino on their diet so they assume those two should be easy kills too

[normal lotus]

Which is funny. Because cera bleed resistance is one of their things

[limber hull]

deino also has bleed resist, on top of... everything else

[marble abyss]

@full pewter can you share the link to the stream?

[limber hull]

@cedar drum i feel like lots of those things really don't fit well on carno

good hearing feels more in place for a forest hunter, rather than an animal which already should have long and clear lines of sight, I've been over why ambushing on carno (an animal encouraged to live primarily in open plains) is ridiculous, especially when that niche will make it quickly overshadowed by allosaurus

i will stand by carno being far better as a pursuit hunter to an ambush hunter

i also would prefer it doesn't starve slower, but rather eats less to fill up, encouraging an active lifestyle while also permitting it to hunt small game as it's meant to

lastly I think charge damage needs a significant nerf by 100-150 damage, because the fact this move is a knockdown, high damage nuke without any real timing required is absurd and the reason this thing has gotten so many unnecessary nerfs

[cedar drum]

ill admit changing the charge and the whole hearing thing is a bit excessive. The hunger though is really where i think it should be buffed, since carno has low stamina aswell as bad hunger, it also makes certain activities impossible, such as nesting. But why are ambush hunters on open plains ridiculous, i think a lot of afterthoughts decisions on carno were based off a cheetah which prefer living on open plains... of course there is a massive size difference...

[limber hull]

cheetah is small, quiet, agile, has colours to blend itself with the tall african grass

carno is tall, loud as hell, literally based off a bull, can't turn to save its life and designed to roam areas where it is actively in the wide open. It is THE plains predator, yet being in the open is bad for it, because it means it literally can't succeed hunts, so it relies on bad map design to actually achieve its goals

if anything, it's less encouraged to be a plains predator, and more to avoid the open plains and instead hide in a bush or in the forest, wait till something in the plains decides to be there, then hope to god it can kill it. It's barely allowed to work with its environment, since its environment actively works against its playstyle

and on Gateway, the plains are flatter and emptier, meaning this ambush carno becomes even WORSE, as it can't rely on these scattered bushes or massive vision-obscuring hills to actually do anything

a cheetah works at ambushing because it's small, subtle, agile and has colours that make it blend in with its dense environment, none of which apply to carno

[cedar drum]

well you arent wrong. However i think every predatory animal ever will utilize ambushing to some degree. and in the isle i have ambushed things as carno multiple times and its pretty good at it. carnos patterns are also very stripey. which reminds me of a certain large ambush hunting cat. While carno is still far larger than a tiger will ever be stealth is far from impossible.

[limber hull]

sure, every animal will use ambushing, but the fact that carno, the specialised plains animal, relies on it to SUCH an extent is just tragic

this thing would work WONDERS as a pursuit predator, but instead, it's an animal with pathetic endurance, bleed resist, agility and bite damage that relies purely on nuking other players with an insanely overtuned charge that should've never been this strong

carno is just a terrible ambusher, it literally relies on players flat out not paying attention

comparing carno to a properly competent ambush predator like deino is very telling.

• Carno lives in the open, deino lives consistently obscured beneath the water
• Carno requires to accelerate slowly, revealing its position as it approaches prey, deino can get as close as it wants for a quick attack
• Carno cannot retreat if it fails an ambush due to how brutal the stam drain is, deino can
• Carnos footsteps are loud and revealing, deino is silent while it swims beneath the surface
• Carno must continue to fight its prey after the "ambush" to finish them off, deino wins the moment it succeeds the ambush

every time I've been "ambushed" by a carno, it's literally because I alt-tabbed like a fool

i wouldn't say best stam, but it needs a competent level of it

[cedar drum]

legacy stam?

[barren crater]

Carno also kind of just deletes cera if you're competent, so we can't have it completely dominate for now. On Spiro *

[limber hull]

legacy stam was nutso lol

[limber hull]

i mean, this is why charge needs heavy nerfs

it's too polarising

[cedar drum]

honestly im fine with evrima carno being more like legacy

i mained it for a reason

[barren crater]

Eh, just manage your stamina + alt attacks cost no stamina

[limber hull]

i personally feel disconnecting carno's charge from its stam and placing it on a seperate cooldown, akin to dryo, would do better for it.

[barren crater]

Like even having 20% is enough to defend yourself

[limber hull]

you'd be surprised

ironically, carno is literally the best cera killer in the entire game

bar maybe deino

[cedar drum]

untill theres more ceras...

[limber hull]

even then

carno can literally 2v1 ceras and be comfortable, it's dUMB

because the entire animal is built around charge and literally that's it

[cedar drum]

im talking about 5 ceras

v 1 carno

[limber hull]

on one hand, you could say "yea you should die", but on the other, additional stam would let you, y'know, run away

[cedar drum]

fair eniugh

[limber hull]

i am very aware

issue with carno is it's just kind of an "all-in" animal

[cedar drum]

its like it doesnt know what to be

[limber hull]

it has to invest 100% to whatever hunt it takes because its stam won't let it back out

[cedar drum]

is it a forest animal or a plains animal, ambush or pursuit hunter who knows

[limber hull]

i want it to be a plains pursuit animal

[barren crater]

New acceleration changes lets it be both tbf

Well in the dev stream at least

[limber hull]

because i want it to stand out from allosaurus, who is literally shown constantly as a plains ambush hunter (except unlike carno it isn't 100% specialised in specifically plains life and nothing else)

[barren crater]

Right now it's bad at both

[cedar drum]

lets make it legacy carno but more funnerer

[limber hull]

carno is to plains as deino is to water and herrera is to forests, it's a hyper-specialist designed EXCLUSIVELY around that biome

you have to design carno to actually do good in plains because that's the only place it's allowed to do good in

ehhh, wouldn't say that

because legacy carno just... doesn't work once you throw a move like charge into the mix

[barren crater]

Legacy Carno might not translate well

No it wouldn't *

[limber hull]

ehhh

again, charge literally just ruins that unless it gets an entire rework

where it doesn't consume stam and instead does like a dryo cooldown thing

[barren crater]

Legacy Carno had a turn rate worse than even now, had horrible stamina regeneration, insane bleed res

[cedar drum]

and yet legacy carno was still an effective hunter

[limber hull]

ironically still terrible at hunting small game tho lol

[cedar drum]

eh i got salty one time and started hunting raptors for no reason

[barren crater]

Legacy Carno was a better same lane hunter than small game hunter

[cedar drum]

its decent at that

[limber hull]

ironically, EVRIMA carno is also the same in that regard

[craggy tiger]

hey, its me or there is no server online on evrima?

[limber hull]

much better at nuking ceras than ever hunting an omni

[barren crater]

Yeah they're off

Or at least not showing up

[limber hull]

update?

[craggy tiger]

ok ok thanks

[limber hull]

idk man i'm at uni, not paying attention lol

[barren crater]

Yeah. For some people, they're not showing up

Not sure

[craggy tiger]

for me is not showing up

[limber hull]

that'd be horrible

because it'd be on Spiro and utterly suck

[cedar drum]

nice save on the gateway

[limber hull]

I got confused

IDC when they release the animals tbh, I'd be happy with Gateway without any animals

I mean, I'm personally not happy with the carno buffs, but whatever

I can only hope they actually rebalanced charge to not be a nuke

i liked low accel carno as a concept because i despise ambush carno

yea, its dumb

it's a 350 damage knockdown move without much timing restrictions

and turns the full body into a death hitbox

it's literally the most powerful attack in the game

but they keep nerfing it in ways that make no goddamn sense

like increasing stam drain or whatever

when you could reduce the knockdown threshhold and damage and it'd be literally fune

[barren crater]

It's more powerful than charged bite, simply due to CC / knockdowns

[limber hull]

all worse than it

charge bite doesn't knock down, it's loud as hell and it does less damage
stego tail jab is... so goddamn easy to predict and dodge i really don't know how people worry about it, it's slow and clunky and bad

lunge, perhaps, because lunge is stupid as helll

perhaps lunge is better, but charge is a solid second best

that's what i want for it

have it be a short burst of speed on a cooldown

can use it evasively or offensively

or to catch up with fleeing prey

probably also the knockdown range to 50% of its total weight

[barren crater]

Thinking about it properly, that acceleration buff will allow carno to bully raptor duos - trios again

Yeah I like it

Well the idea of Carno bullying small pack of raptors

Yeah. 4 raptors being even if both parties are good is what I'd get it to

[limber hull]

too slow

meta over cool visuals i guess

yea and it was slow

so people didn't like it because it was poor in combat

[barren crater]

Just up the damage value idk

If it was slow, then let it be devastating if it lands

It didn't really feel that slow when I played as it though

[civic hull]

Thx

[limber hull]

i personally like minmi and magy and feel they're worth adding for what they provide

if cerato can be added and not be utter fodder, magy absolutely can too

[civic hull]

No it shouldn’t be

They literally had to make it taste bad to make it remotely viable

It wasn’t a dinosaur evolved to deal with large predators.

And it also breaks the laws of its own biomechanics and physics by being faster than allo

[limber hull]

and that's bad... how? I like animals with unique survival strategies, and they can absolutely incorporate that into an interesting mechanic

also we literally have stego

who is the same thing, but doesn't taste bad

[civic hull]

That’s not a survival strategy it’s just stupidity

[civic hull]

Ya stego has it’s own problems

[limber hull]

can't outrun rex at all, can't fight off rex, it's just screwed

[civic hull]

I gotta pick my battles

But that’s a fallacy lol doesn’t make the magy situation any better

[limber hull]

i like magy because the concept of an animal with such a unique survival strat is cool to me

[civic hull]

Yes but it’s badly designed

[limber hull]

not really

we haven't even seen how its designed

magy could have an inverse cerato bile, which sickens players that attempt to attack it with bite attacks, making it actually able to be defensive

[civic hull]

Yes it is lol it’s completely stupid that it’s faster than allo and tastes bad. It won’t get hunted by anything bc if it’s stupid speed and it tasting bad, so nobody will play it due to boring gameplay.

[limber hull]

i'd play it

[civic hull]

You and two other people

Small sauropods as a concept don’t work in the isle imo

[limber hull]

Sounds more interesting to me than stuff like allo lol

[civic hull]

Ok, but that doesn’t change the facts. Yet another fallacy lol. And allo will be played a lot more due to it having ambush speed and the grapple abilities. It’s also a lot more popular.

But that’s whataboutism lol

So allo doesn’t matter in this context

[limber hull]

Legit, tasting bad is a legitimate survival strat, and having magy represent more unique and interesting evolutionary defenses is really cool to me

[civic hull]

Tasting bad is a strat for boring gameplay

[limber hull]

If animals vomited from trying to bite down on a magy, it would be an interesting way to dissuade predators

[civic hull]

Carnis wont attack something that has stupid speed that they cant eat

[limber hull]

That’s the idea?

[civic hull]

Thus the boring gameplay

That’s why it’s a bad design

[limber hull]

Dude, IDK if you know this, but they’re adding anky. If you think magy is boring, I have bad news

[civic hull]

Anky again has its own problems

But that doesn’t take away from the fact that magy has bad design. Not boring does not equal good.

Yet another whataboutism lol

[limber hull]

You realise we already have a ton of animals which rely on the “avoid risk entirely” playstyle, right

Ptera, deino

[civic hull]

Deino will be different when bigger semi aquatics are added

And that’s not necessarily true for Petra

[limber hull]

Deino will be the same until spino is added

Ptera is literally immortal lol

[civic hull]

It has to fly over croc infested rivers to get food lol

Also Quetzlcoatl will be a thing

[limber hull]

Cera hunts magy, quetz hunts ptera, what’s the problem

[civic hull]

And Ptera players are not common at all

[limber hull]

Almost like some animals only have specific predators thanks to their defenses

Like how nature works

[civic hull]

If only one Dino is hunting you, then it’s guna be boring.

[limber hull]

Deino has nothing hunting it yet it’s played constantly lol

[civic hull]

If this were true to nature magy would go extinct immediately if it was close to what it was irl.

[civic hull]

Yes, but it’s a carni so it does combat because it needs to, so it makes sense.

Also magy going after carnis would be a possibility

[limber hull]

We’re not talking about real magy, we’re talking about Isle magy. If most of the animals here were true to natur, 75% of the roster would be dead

[civic hull]

Which would suck as it would mess up the gameplay loop.

[limber hull]

Herbivores being aggressive to carnivores is fine

They aren’t all timid fodder animals

[civic hull]

I friggin know, but that doesn’t mean they should be going out of their way to hunt down carnis due to lack of a gameplay loop, which is another issue.

[limber hull]

Your arguments are based on the speed we haven’t seen, the bad flavour mechanic we know nothing about and your general dislike for some random herbi

[civic hull]

And that could be a problem with magy given it’s supposed stats

[limber hull]

The supposed stats we know nothing of

[civic hull]

They said allo would be slower than magy. So we know it will be ridiculously fast.

[limber hull]

They also said deino could grow endlessly and drown rex

[civic hull]

The bad flavour mechanic is a concept is just stupid from an objective perspective. And I think irl magy is cool, but I hate how they butchered my boi.

[civic hull]

Ok, so again that’s it’s own problem. Stop with the friggin whataboutisms.

[limber hull]

Take it from a game designer, early concepts don’t always represent the finished product

[limber hull]

I like how examples to help back up my arguments are apparently wrong now lol

[civic hull]

They don’t back up your argument. Also I’m aware of this fact that finished product will be different, and I would hope so, but that kind of nullifies your own argument lol.

[limber hull]

How lol

[civic hull]

Which is that magy is a good design from what I understand.

[limber hull]

Magy isn’t a good design when looked at a surface value, I’ve never argued it was, I said I think it can work if done well

And that it provides something unique in terms of survival strategies

[civic hull]

I guess it doesn’t nullify your argument, but it takes the weight away as you bring up how it will be different, even if you’ve been arguing that it was a good design from what I could tell.

[civic hull]

If they could do it well then that would be great, but as someone with some knowledge of game design as well, I know it would be difficult to pull off, too difficult for the isle devs.

[limber hull]

I’ve never said it was a good design, I think it’s an interesting design. It could end up as hot garbage for all I know, but I like the concept

[limber hull]

I disagree that it’s “too difficult for Isle devs”, if I can do it, they can

Just feels like you’re choosing to attack them because why not

[civic hull]

Well, they’ve demonstrated with this design and others that they can’t consistently make good designs.

[limber hull]

They made cera viable so they can make magy viable

[civic hull]

That’s because cera was a good dinosaur already, magy is not good for dealing with large predators if it obeys it’s own biomechanics and the laws of physics. If those are diff in the isle, the okay lol.

[limber hull]

Both animals are equally screwed when an allo shows up

Cera is not any more prepared than magy lol

[civic hull]

Well except magy which they said would be faster which ai bloody hope it isn’t, as allo’s ambush can probs catch a galli, so magy would be stupid fast.

[limber hull]

Both are slow, defensive animals that rely on repulsing the attacker to survive

[civic hull]

Cera isn’t necessarily screwed imo if they balance allo properly.

[limber hull]

Neither is magy

If cera can survive allo, magy def can too

[civic hull]

As long as people can’t abuse ambush like they did in legacy then cerato shud be fine.

[limber hull]

Both are similar weight, likely similar speed since we know magy is slower than tenonto, both sicken the attacker

[civic hull]

Yes but the way they currently want magy to do that surviving is boring for magy players and frustrating for carnis.

I feel like we going in circles.

[limber hull]

Tenonto is said to be the fastest quadruped on the roster

So magy isn’t any faster than it

[civic hull]

It had better not be.

[limber hull]

Which means, again, if cera can survive it, magy can too

Both are in the same boat here

[civic hull]

But the isle devs are famously inconsistent.

Anyway ima go to bed

Gn

[safe hearth]

True

[safe hearth]

oh since when is this confirmed?
Sounds interesting😃
I haven't heard anything about it.

in his concept you only see a shoulder bump and that he can knock over a Cera with his neck.

[limber hull]

yea, it's something i'd like to see for it, nothing confirmed

[safe hearth]

Oh I see

but it would definitely be a cool potential mechanic.

[limber hull]

@ocean coral dilo is likely heavier than omni, so that probably won't be an issue

[ocean coral]

so it wont pin dilo?

[limber hull]

probably not

[ocean coral]

thank god

thanks

[feral knot]

the servers still down?

[limber hull]

If the size chart is anything to go off, it's around 700kg

i honestly feel dilo will get shredded by 2 omnis personally

honestly i dont feel like it's looking too good in a 1v1

ehhh

i honestly can't really see it winning too well

at night, sure, but even then I'd prefer to avoid an omni as a dilo

as far as we know, its primarily hallucinagenic, and basically useless at day

[sour cairn]

because we should make it more powerful

[tiny salmon]

Rex is already a power house. We dont need people just face tanking everything as a rex. This is how I see your comment.

[limber hull]

its either a rex fanboy or someone looking for a reaction lol, no point reasoning

[tiny salmon]

Eh Im just pointing out my view

I probably wont be back in this channel for weeks LOL

Oof

[limber hull]

they'd have to be tbh

honestly, not true

rex was not the strongest animal

[urban flax]

Hmmm
Legacy rex could die to one utah without alt-turn

[limber hull]

giga was by far the strongest animal in legacy, bar none

no, giga absolutely was

[tiny salmon]

With that broken ass hitbox and butt chomps, I say rex is unmatched in legacy

[limber hull]

giga was bad against rex, sure, but it was still the strongest

like how deino is bad against stego, but is still the strongest

so?

that's not at all definitive of how good an animal is

[tiny salmon]

Lets be real, a good giga player can kill a rex. But once the rex gets a bonebreak on the giga, be it fair or broken hitbox…giga automatically dies

[limber hull]

giga is literally busted

its insane trotrate and ability to regen stam makes it just... the best

[tiny salmon]

Both rex and giga are busted lol

Yess giga trot with regen stam

[limber hull]

honestly, the moment you removed body down rules, rex struggled WAY more

rex did well in 1v1s, but that was it

[icy lion]

@willow crown You posted in the right channel, don't worry! Happy to say a system like that is planned to come to the game, dinos will become "elders." They first become stronger, depending on how you lived during your playtime, before becoming weak and frail. Dying of age is a choice, and can reward bonuses for your next life as that animal, but all dinos will automatically age. That's based off our current info, so it's subject to change!

[sour cairn]

ok..., that's What I mean.

[willow crown]

It seems like a very cool idea to me, more because I would like to see from the most fragile and small dinosaur to the strongest and most powerful dinosaur living on the same map, I really like the path that Evrima takes, thank you very much for answering me. I am using a translator so if there is any inconsistency in what I say then f: translator

[limber hull]

everything gets old

[icy lion]

That was the plan when it was first conceived, that plan changed

So TL;DR (which is subject to change): Every dino will age. Elders have a peak strength, the power and duration of which will depend on how you lived your life. They'll all eventually become weak, but death of age is optional

Not compiled, no, this is from various dev comments

And anything I said could still change, since elders as a system are still WIP

@woven musk That's planned

[willow crown]

@icy lion I have a question that won't let me sleep, will all Legacy dinosaurs be added to Evrima in the future?

[icy lion]

Everything except for puertasaurus, yup!

[willow crown]

f by Puertasaurus, it's true that in Legacy it doesn't make sense to play it xd, it's huge. Thanks, I can sleep peacefully now.

The only bad thing would be in my case that I can only play Legacy at the moment because my EVEA 750Ti does not accept DirectX 12 and it seems that Evrima 6.5 asks if or if DirectX 12 v:

[ebon coyote]

Yes, I was thinking the Same and we have nothing Like it right now ☺️

[outer hedge]

hello guys i have a litle problem, my game doesnt list me any official servers anymore. why is that so? i didnt change a single setting

[limber hull]

i would not be so sure

[civic hull]

that sucks.

[limber hull]

pachy has concept art of it being able to duck, dodge and parry omni pounces. Can it do that in game?

[civic hull]

If that's the truth then they willbe unkillable by midteirs unless in a megapack.

which is bad design.

they shud be very strong, but not that strong.

[limber hull]

what's to say bary can't do it either

like, bary could destroy omnis

so it would not need the buck thing

i personally heavily dislike bary's concept art, i feel it's been far to powercrept in that art

[limber hull]

i assume that's the idea, considering we have large tiers, or pseudo apexes

lmao no

[civic hull]

I mean apexes.

[limber hull]

bold conclusion to jump to

[civic hull]

apexes shud not be stronger than they were in legacy.

[limber hull]

i mean, they kinda should

[civic hull]

they were very unbalanced, and that will only worsen the problem.

[limber hull]

since everything else is stronger than it is in legacy

[civic hull]

well, in legacy apexes were too powerful

so arguably the should at least stay the same to balance things out a bit.

but weaker would be better, and would make apexes require actual skill.

[limber hull]

fair, but legacy apexes also had basically nothing to middle the gap. Mid-tiers and apexes were still HUGELY different sizes, there was no "large tier" to fill the gap

[civic hull]

yes, but not OP

[civic hull]

acro

anky

[limber hull]

the sandbox creature?

[limber hull]

the other sandbox creature?

[civic hull]

it was on most survival servers

[limber hull]

the sandbox creatures that were very clearly not finished and were evidently unbalanced for survival

[civic hull]

based

[civic hull]

and apexes still fing murdered them

[limber hull]

they can be injected all day long, it doesn't mean they actually fulfilled the roles they should've

[limber hull]

yea, because both were REALLY bad

anky didn't even have bone break

and acro was just dumb

[civic hull]

it does

[limber hull]

no, it doesn't

[civic hull]

acro was the bane of midteirs

[limber hull]

unless on modded servers

[civic hull]

its a server option

[limber hull]

so was giga

[civic hull]

i think

[limber hull]

it's a mod, they didn't have that kind of server option on vanilla

[civic hull]

acro was better for it imo

[civic hull]

oh, I didnt know that.

either way anky was also a bane to midtiers.

[limber hull]

but anky in general was just terrible in legacy, it barely even felt like an anky

[civic hull]

fair

[limber hull]

how the hell do you manage to make an anky feel squishy lol

[civic hull]

by bad design

and also just legacy

[limber hull]

because legacy was badly designed, and sandbox creatures were just even worse

[civic hull]

yea, they were unfinished.

[limber hull]

because they had zero attention to them besides the bare minimum

in EVRIMA, sucho is actually going to be the size it should've been, dwarfing midtiers like allo, acro will also be a decent size too

[civic hull]

either way, apexes really didnt require a lot of skill in legacy, and were stupidly powerful, like disproportionately, so they should be weaker in evirma

not much weaker

but still, weaker nonetheless

[limber hull]

i disagree, honestly

[civic hull]

agree to disagree

[limber hull]

i mean, besides the apexes being skillless

that part is true, but everything in legacy felt that way

i'd rather apexes be hard to grow and legitimately strong, rather than neutered so they can be more approachable by animals less than half their size

[civic hull]

Rex had stupid speed and ambush speed, capable of running down an ALLO if it wasn careful. It could bite from its ass, it has bone break, it one shots anything smaller than an allo, and puts every other mid tier on 3rd or 4th with bone break, has huge amounts of health, and just overall is too powerful

[limber hull]

ambush speed was just stupid as a mechanic in general

[cyan flame]

They've said they wanted apexes to feel like apexes, so they're probably going to end up quite powerful. Seeing as it is survival and not fighting, your options could just be to avoid apexes 90% of the time, and call it a day.

[civic hull]

eh I disagree, legacy defo had its own problems, but if you killed an allo as a utah in the first 10 hours, it was a bad allo player.

[limber hull]

nothing has been confirmed on that

[civic hull]

it looked like it in the concept

[limber hull]

(and honestly i kinda hope it doesn't if the ambush speed is anything like legacy's)

[civic hull]

unlikely

[cyan flame]

Or maybe it just has really good accel

[civic hull]

I think a short burst of speed would be good

for allo

but like, it would need to take a lot of stam to balance

ok, but utah could also ass ride everything in legacy, so there's that. I consider myself a decent allo player, and I find it hard to shake a utah.

Either way, I think ambush speed could work well for allo, but it would need to take a lot of stamina. And maybe it could be like an attack sort of similar to carno charge, where once you connect with the other animal it does a grapple attack.

but the speed shouldn't last more than like 5-10 seconds.

[jovial hazel]

@barren zephyr #isle-discussion message

[full pewter]

Looks like it kinda is. This was in its description in its concept.

“What we wanted for this dinosaur was to showcase its ambush centered abilities and really let them use those claws. For instance, you might not be able to outrun a Gallimimus, but if you can get the jump on it, you might just have the burst of speed to grab it before it slips away.”

10 seconds is wayyyy long

Sure

[urban flax]

If it's more than 3 seconds it's not an ambush anymore

[full pewter]

No more than 7 imo

[urban flax]

It's just super-speed

[barren crater]

ah

[urban flax]

By ambushing it duh

[full pewter]

Getting close, that’s the point

[barren crater]

Galli is really easy to get a hit off on as a cera, if you're in a good position. Allo wouldn't even need an ambush speed

[full pewter]

Allo is among my most anticipated choices

I’d expect it’ll be very versatile, able to hunt a variety of prey, possibly even functioning as a bigger Omni too

Bary ftw!!

For the win!!

I hope some shallow water biomes also get added for Sucho, since it probably shouldn’t even live near spinos and Deinos

[urban flax]

I think sucho should live in shallows with cheirus and make other dinos pay tax

As the two old grumpy fishermen they are

[full pewter]

And before people say that shallow water biomes now invalidate deino, thats where I say that’s where suchos should be the danger

[full pewter]

I’ve always seen cheirus as more of a swamp dweller and Sucho inhabiting shallow rivers and coasts, I’ve also extensively promoted sucho being migratory

[urban flax]

Being migratory doesn't really fit with inhabiting rivers...

If you want to migrate without leaving your environment you have only 2 ways to go, one of them ends at sea and the other one ends in the mountains

[full pewter]

I’ve described it like traveling between the coasts and shallow rivers of the interior of the island

It’s my own personal idea that I’m hoping gets noticed

Sucho will rely on AI more than other carnivores anyway, I think it’ll work well

[urban flax]

What I hope will be noticed is my magy suggestion

[full pewter]

Was it poison?

[urban flax]

Yes but in a cool way

#general-feedback message

Literally nobody downvoted it

[full pewter]

I’ve been distasteful to that in the past, but since Magy is already silly as is it’s grown on me

[full pewter]

Yea you’re ideas work great

I think magys main predator should be cerato

[urban flax]

yeah
Since cera can't vomit

[full pewter]

Exactly that

[barren crater]

I don't like it.

[urban flax]

That's because you have bad taste
You taste like magy

[low canopy]

woah

[full pewter]

I’ve just started seeing Magy more like a poison dart frog, they get their poison from the food they eat, Magy could be similar

[urban flax]

Yeah that's not a bad idea either, depends on how hard/easy that food is to get

[barren crater]

So true, but honestly, it doesn't even need that and it probably leads to more problems

[full pewter]

What problems tho I’m curious

[urban flax]

Because if it's a plant you can find in only one place, it's bad, and if it's a plant you can find everywhere it's bad too

[full pewter]

Migration could play into this

[urban flax]

But if magy's only defensive ability is tied to where on its migration path it is... There's probably something wrong

[full pewter]

Make it available in different points?

[urban flax]

Yeah maybe
But we only know so little about migrations, it's hard to imagine how an ability could tie into that, and how actually "fun" it'd be
Maybe the potency of the poison could just depends on how good magy's diet is and that'd be enough

[barren crater]

Well it comes down to sometimes needing to put down a Magy. But every time you engage with it, you get ill / can't gain anything from it. It's not a small creature. You would require a few hits to put it down. Also removes thought from a defending position against most creatures that otherwise would be a threat to you. Like Carno for example would be a huge threat, but now if it bites you it gets ill. So what does Magy do? Live in the plains in groups. It having CC would have been more than enough and to actually use its kit to escape larger threats like Allo / Alberto.

Maybe I'm missing something

[urban flax]

If a magy can CC an allo the laws of physics have been utterly broken

Not everything should hunt anything
As a deino you'd best simply ignore stegos, so why shouldn't a carno just ignore magys ?

I think it's more interesting to have something whose survival strategy is more about not being worth it to kill rather than just killing its attacker like everything else does

[barren crater]

Deino ignores it because Stego is superior in combat. If Magy deals CC and has armour, then it's beating a Carno, also to make it so Magy doesn't chill in the open?
Makes it a lot better than it should be and not in a fun way.

If Magy ignores Carno, then it effectively ignores everything else, since why wouldn't you be in the open? Allo's / Alberto's have zero chance of ever killing you and Cerato is easier to fight in the open

and dies to Carno

[urban flax]

Where did you jump to the conclusion that allo and alberto would have zero chance of killing it ?

[barren crater]

Because you just chill in the plains? What are the other 2 going to do? Unless Magy is significantly slower

[full pewter]

This is where I bring the “philosophy” that you can’t just hunt and kill everything smaller than you, if the game continues to play like this then there’s no variation. Some animals have adaptations to defend themselves from others. So for your carno case, yes a carno sounds like a good counter for Magy, but if Magy does have poison, what do you do? You leave it alone and hunt something else. There are other predators that can hunt it better like cerato. Maybe the poison could be weight based, bigger Dino’s are less affected by it so allos and Alberto’s can more effectively hunt magys even if they are susceptible to vomiting, say in a group each member could land enough bits to kill it without vomiting

[urban flax]

If you think magy will be remotely as fast as allo...
They could just kill it

[barren crater]

It could be 2km/h slower and probably be fine if it vibes and has any bit of awareness

[urban flax]

And that's where the "parry" ability comes in. To add skill into the equation. So if a magy isn't attacked by an allo or an alberto, the outcome isn't just decided on stats. It means the more skilled one will win the fight

[barren crater]

Also the vomit debuff would stop allos as well, would it not?

Like why even engage it

If it makes you ill

[urban flax]

I think it's gonna be closer to 15 km/h slower judging by the animations tbh

The debuff would only be sufficient to make it vomit if you successfully parry it, otherwise you die before you can apply enough poison...
That's the entire point of the suggestion

It measn magy can survive encounters, not that it will automatically do so just because it's poisonous

I don't make suggestions to have another deino-level of gameplay on another playable

[willow crown]

Does anyone know of a way to play Evrima with a graphics card that does not support DirectX 12?

[barren crater]

"Magy has a passive ability (or one that needs to be charged eating a certain food) that makes it so when biting it, attackers receive staking bacteria similar to what cera applies with its bite. Once enough bacteria is stacked, they vomit."

That part doesn't state that though? Or am I missing something?

[urban flax]

I don't know, you should ask that in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[barren crater]

Why is Magy parrying a grab from an allo in the first place?

[urban flax]

Once enough bacteria is stacked
Which implies you don't vomit at the first bite

[urban flax]

To survive

And unless they decide to give allo super strength, I doubt it's gonna be able to carry a magy in its hands

[barren crater]

Why does it need that when CC is enough though? It's going to be borderline useless against allo / alberto - which likely deal a boatload of damage outside of their specials and makes it very useful against Carno - which lets it vibe in the plains better. Why not just let it be a CC monster for its size against Carno sized creatures and give it a good base speed / stamina to avoid larger threats. Even better swimming.

[urban flax]

Because you think giving magy CC strong enough to stun creatures up to 3 tons causes less problems than letting it have a unique mechanic ?

[barren crater]

No. I said CC for its size like Carno

[urban flax]

So it just dies to allo ?

Unless allo has worse stamina than carno, there is no way magy can escape it with the difference in speed.

[barren crater]

I don't know Allo's stats, but the speed difference shouldn't be great. 2km/h at most outside of any potential ambush mechanic

[urban flax]

Again, judging by the animation, the difference is closer to 10 or 15 km/h
And I don't see magy being made faster than it already is without looking stupid

[barren crater]

How fast is Magy?

Or was that not shown

[urban flax]

Also doing it this way is just making magy into teno with a funny long neck...

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-evrima-allosaurus-magyarosaurus-gif-25123484

[barren crater]

I know the Allo animations were made at 52km/h

At the time

[urban flax]

So what's the point in making magy a reskinned teno ?

[barren crater]

It would be reskinned Teno, if that's all that was left in its kit.
but I'm against the deterrent idea & the idea of it stopping the grapple of a creature 2x its size.

Teno also needs more stuff imo anyways / change to what it does so it's not just worse Diablo - since most players pick it to brawl and it's not really the best at being evasive, like a water kit similar to Cerato's.

[urban flax]

Allo having a grapple that allows it to instant-kill things above 1 ton is more problematic than magy having a way to stop it...

[barren crater]

Depends how its set up. If you can't see it coming, you deserve to be grabbed. The range shouldn't be too large though / should cost a lot of stamina

[urban flax]

I really don't think we need yet another thing that resembles deino's gameplay...

[barren crater]

We've already got 2. We're getting even more soon

[urban flax]

1 is already too much

[barren crater]

Allo insta deleting stuff under 1t is fine imo, but the 1 - 3t range is weird

I think Cera should be like the largest where it almost outright kills it. But I'm assuming it just dies like in the concept

Rex insta deletes para / allo

[urban flax]

It really shouldn't

[barren crater]

Yeah, but it's one of those things to show off the 'power' of a creature and since you can avoid it, well, I guess it's your fault for getting hit. As lame as that is. For Allo, Omni & Rex. Likely Alberto...

On the Magy idea, although I am against it, but if it happens, it's not the end of the world. I disliked bacteria cerato when stam grab cerato was an idea. Although that could have been worse in someone else's eye. Maybe it's better in practice.

Oh I forgot about Acro

Spino

[urban flax]

Ok no creature above 3 tons should be oneshot by anything except hypers or sauropods
It's a lot of time investment to be lost to ONE mistake

It's fine to be oneshot in an FPS game because it takes 15 seconds to respawn and get back in the fray...
In The Isle it's a different thing, there are other ways to show something's strength than to have it ruin other people's experience with the game

[barren crater]

I can agree with that. I do think that in a perfect world these attacks would just be knockdowns, or grabs that deal a lot of damage / bleed but you do have a window to make distance and hope they don't have the energy to chase

Or they get sidetracked by pack mates or something idk

[ebon coyote]

I dont know, it was Kinda part of the thrill to get for example an Rex down with a good coordinated group of dilos to feast on it.

[willow crown]

Where the programmer broadcasts live?

[civic hull]

I love how I get pinged by moderators for literally asking for a teaser of a complete gameplay loop in phase three, and they said it isn’t a phase three request so they deleted it. Gotta love islecord.

[willow crown]

Will Evrima's T Rex break its legs with bites the same as in Legacy?

[winter mulch]

some youtubers have posted videos of recent news that came out

[lucid robin]

@errant hedge if ur not gonna post a real suggestion / piece of feedback, must you really clutter up the channel?

[civic hull]

Bruh stop minimodding

[lucid robin]

not trying to minimod, im just pointing out that he's gonna push the actual suggestions that people put effort into up in the channel

[marsh juniper]

[viral tulip]

hello everything is fine? I’m a fan of the isle, like all Brazilians. I came here to give my opinion that the Brazilian community. fanatical on The Isle like most, not too happy about having Humans as much as weapons in the Game. This game is Wonderful focused on Dinosaurs, in my point of view your team will ruin the game focusing on Humans and weapons, and the game is Based on Dinosaurs. I did a survey and most Dinosaur Fanatic People didn’t like this idea of ​​Weapons and humans in the Game. The game is beautiful focused on Dinosaurs. A Hug I hope you see this message with Love from an Isle Fan. No humans, No Weapons.

[limber hull]

humans will not ruin the game

the game is not meant to be purely based on dinosaurs, nor has it ever been

[faint folio]

Aside from what Mr Diablo said about humans having been planned from the beginning, something important to keep in mind is that, since humans haven't been released yet, the primary audience attracted to the isle are people who want to play dinosaurs. However, people who want to play people are a whole separate audience (think players who enjoy Ark, Green Hell, etc) and adding humans will be expanding the isles market quite a bit.

Humans having ranged weapons is definitely going to be tricky to balance without making people feel like it's a waste of time to play a dinosaur. But that's why it's important that they are added early and actively balanced around

Finally, while they're making the game they planned from the beginning which includes humans, they've stated that they want private/community servers to have tons of control over server setup, including roster... Which means community server owners can disable humans in their server if they want

[urban flax]

In Primal Carnage (the old one, not extinction) humans had guns with pretty much unlimited ammo, yet the dinos won almost every match
I don't think guns will invalidate dinos that much

[faint folio]

That's true, and similar balance might be good for the isle-- especially since it's supposed to be horror/survival. Dinos aren't so scary if you can 1-2 tap them with a rifle

[urban flax]

I actually think Isle dinos might be even more OP compared to humans than how they were in PC...
If we go by numbers alone humans in PC had 150 health, in TI they'll probably have around 70/80 health, PC raptor (which was the same size as Omni) had 250 health, omniraptor has 450... Rex had 3500 health iirc
Isle rex will probably have around 8000 hp, maybe more
Unless they make special damage calculations for firearms or give them absurd damage, I doubt dinos will be in much trouble

[limber hull]

i honestly hope 1000 is the highest damage ever gets on a firearm

[faint folio]

That's fair. Right now there's so many unknowns about humans that I don't know that any sort of prediction would be accurate

[urban flax]

Which one would get that number ? A shotgun ?

[faint folio]

Probably... But specifically I'd want it to be a shotgun slug

[jovial hazel]

I don't think slugs are that strong. Feel like it would be a rifle/sniper round.

[limber hull]

actually, i'd probably prefer 500 damage

[valid brook]

A large caliber rifle could fill that role Maybe .308 + vitalshot, cause having a 50.cal would be overkill or people would feel its too weak. Slugs could maybe do 500-750 with vital shot pretty well, but obviously they need to do them right. not just "confetti cannon"

[limber hull]

1000 is way too high

[valid brook]

I can see this aswell being max. maybe 750. but somewhere around 500-1K range.

Im purposefully keeping myself in the blind to some of the upcoming updates. If humans are just given weapons for free basically, then yeah. lower numbers better, but if they have to find it dayz style, then i can understand higher numbers on rare guns with rare ammo

[limber hull]

idk man, i just dont like hours being converted to nothing without counterplay

[valid brook]

yeah i agree. I would love to see "non-combat" tasks for humans, rather than just letting them run around doing whatever all the time. That give you more bonuses for completeing them without killing a dino, and punishes you for killing them. how exactly to do that while keeping it balanced though, im unsure

[jovial hazel]

I thought the idea was they would spend their time vulnerable trying to find weapons and ammo, so you would spend the hours that a dinosaur would spend growing scavenging or looting.

[limber hull]

i mean

you cant really recreate that though

like, the dinosaur is A to B

a gun, you just kinda get

unless they have some kind of "access level" system

where certain areas are restricted without the right equipment

[valid brook]

the only task that comes to mind that i would still love to see, but again. dont know how to balance, is a tranq and temporarily capture mission

[jovial hazel]

Well, maybe they would be something that needed multiple parts. Maybe you don't find a functional gun, you find a barrel somewhere. Find lower somewhere else. Ammo somewhere else.

[limber hull]

probably not gonna happen (also would just be a weirdly tedious system)

[jovial hazel]

It's how every survival game works. You work your way up.

[valid brook]

What if you combine the two systems? You're stuck on base A. until you get enough xp or w/e to be allowed into base b. Killing dinos lowers your XP (unless theres a task to, but not gonna get into how those may be aquired as i havent done much thinking on this) but while doing missions, you have achance to come across loot

[jovial hazel]

They don't just give you everything off the bat.

[limber hull]

nah, no XP system

what I'm thinking is literally as simple as there being a locked door

[valid brook]

yeah i mean. it doesnt have to be XP. but it could be something

you know

[limber hull]

that you can't open without like, a keycard

[valid brook]

what if a friend who's been playing significantly longer and has that keycard opens it for you? so people can just start farming high tier loot

or have alt accounts that can open the doors for friends and such

I think no matter what it would be a difficult thing to properly balance, there being fire arms in the game, unless you incentive players to not kill dinos.

[urban flax]

Is it really that different from a friend with a FG rex carebearing you ?

With dinos doing that, they don't have the risk anymore, but still the time investment
Humans "carebearing" would not have the time investment, but still the risk

[valid brook]

Probably, Because you can out maneuver/out play a rex. But with a high power rifle, you may be walking one moment, and then be dead from a shot halfway across the map the next moment. Atleast if you were to die to 1 shot from a dino, you had the chance to see it coming

[urban flax]

I can't imagine the best-armed human in the world surviving more than one cerato's bite

[urban flax]

Oh yeah that's why I think long-range weapons as a whole are a bad idea

[limber hull]

also a human sharing a weapon is kinda like a rex actively losing its growth to make their friend grow faster

[valid brook]

i can see that, but also short range weapons would but humans at a huge disadvantage unless they 1shot

It really is an interesting concept that will probably take some time to balance out

[urban flax]

There are different levels of range between "can't kill a dino before it kills you" and "can oneshot something from across the map"

Personnally I think bullet damage should be reduced with distance

[valid brook]

Although im sure everyone will have their own opinion on it, i think making Modern humans more research focused rather than kill focus would be a huge boon, and savages having the opportunity to either hunt or work with dinos would offer both different gameplay options (as i cant see savages having any weapon possibile of 1 shotting anything bigger than a dryo)

[urban flax]

So technically, you can hit a dino from across the map
It's just... not gonna hurt much

[valid brook]

that is also another fair idea

[limber hull]

good

i fail to see a problem with the humans relying more on stealth and wits over firepower

[tidal fjord]

@meager barn The Solutions you provided don't seem to be related to the Problem you raised.

How does scratching trees and regulating your body heat solve the boredom issue for herbivores for instance? (You just added 2 more chores).

Infections would make combat less desirable... combat being the main activity for most of the dinos in the game.

[meager barn]

Having more challenges along your way keep you busy to not become vulnerable to predators. What does a herbivore do when it has full stomach and water?

[tidal fjord]

What happens when they regulate their body heat and keep their claws sharp (which I assume won't take too long to do)? You didn't solve the problem... you just added 2 more chores.

[meager barn]

It's basically a gap filler reducing the waiting time before your other basic needs need to be replenished. It can still be a challenge to reach the mud pool or take the risk to swim in habitated waters or find a suitable tree to scratch yourself on. The way you're arguing you could also just remove food and water entirely and make the isle purely about deathmatch.

[meager barn]

And ignoring all those possible needs could maybe even end fatally, who knows. take a look in the wild, theres a million ways to die

[tidal fjord]

I mean it's a game, I'm not here to do the dinos laundry... if the game has an issue with players getting bored, then adding extra chores that add nothing that's fun to the game won't help.

If you want extra chores or more realism, then ask for that... but saying it will solve boredom is a stretch.

[meager barn]

To me personally, it just feels rewarding overcoming all these problems. I never play on free-grows servers because being an adult from the get-go does not feel like you've achieved anything. do you know what I mean?

[tidal fjord]

I somewhat understand, but the claws sharpening mechanic would only be useful to adults as most none adults cannot reliably/safely participate in combat.

In which case it would just be another chore ontop of the upkeep of water, food and nutrients for adult dinos.

I'm not really opposed to any of the ideas you proposed. I just think it doesn't solve the problem you stated it would.

[trail stream]

i personally do like the temperature regulation especially for deino, sitting in cold water all day for a cold blooded reptile should have a debuff like lethargy speed/stamina decrease. that being canceled out by basking

[meager barn]

good addition 🙂

[surreal folio]

Do the devs realize no one’s playing bc of how terribly the game performs now? Does anyone know why the ping is so atrocious now,

[desert arch]

Its an epic games issue and is being investigated. The devs cant do anything to fix it.

[icy lion]

@trim mauve That's been mentioned, there's been no plans to have every species available at once on officials #isle-discussion message

[trim mauve]

O thats cool, thanks for saying that. I havent been following up on isle too much but I saw a suggestion for something similar earlier so I didnt know it was planned.

[icy lion]

Once rex and trike release, and stego gets its new kit, all 3 will only be available for community servers

[valid brook]

@lucid robin it's been a minute since ive played ptera. but i thought that happened this update.

[lucid robin]

oh really?? I'll have to check, i havent played it in a hot sec either. if so, that's great! :D

[valid brook]

yeah i believe that happened. i could be wrong though, but last time i played ptera my friend mentioned that elite fish were off the diet

[buoyant pike]

Try unofficial servers. The official ones are hosted by epic, and the issues are stemming from them

[lucid robin]

did they only remove elite fish or do you know if they added something else to the diet? cuz ptera having less diet foods isn't really a good fix to the problem

[valid brook]

Im not too sure youd have to look

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
i never understood how adding the same things, but controlled by AI, makes it somehow better than just PvP

you're still fighting the exact same dinosaurs, it's just not technically PvP

[lucid robin]

@unreal field could u be more specific? fix it how? just saying "fix it" isn't nearly enough information. how do u think it should be changed?

[unreal field]

From what I've experienced, biting the tip of the tail- or before the tip of the tail, does the same damage as a body shot or anywhere else.

[lucid robin]

ah, yeah, that should be changed if that's the case

[unreal field]

Yeah, its a tad broken and has been a consistent issue from what I've heard from my friends as well, unfortunately

[safe hearth]

I don't think it's about the fight.
it's about the beauty of simply observing dinosaurs (even in a herd) without being attacked immediately.

basically you can see the isle as a PVP survival game.
But there are also dinosaur fans among the players who just want to enjoy the beauty.
I believe that is the case with his post.

the isle has, without a doubt, the best animated dinosaurs of all the dinosaur games (pot,bob,ioy)

[limber hull]

but from what we've seen of AI, it's extremely aggro and territorial

its unlikely you will get that experience regardless

besides, feels rather artificial if you know its just a bunch of AI

the beauty of observing the dinosaurs is much better appreciated when its actual players

@regal galleon we already have deinosuchus, why would we need another similarly sized crocidillian

[safe hearth]

but it only takes notice of you from a certain distance and from a certain hearing range.
I think if you are out of that range then he (Gamma) might be able to satisfy his passion.

[limber hull]

so doesn't that make it even more artificial and less natural

[urban flax]

I agree it would be cool to see a herd of like 50+ paras like in WWD just traveling around
But I don't think the Isle is about that kind of scenery

[limber hull]

what

[regal galleon]

Deino would not stand up against the Apex. For those who like crocodiles, it would be really bad not to be able to fight them

[limber hull]

deino very purposely isn't able to stand up against them

the devs aren't adding a croc who can for a reason

[urban flax]

Also purru wasn't larger nor stronger than deino

[limber hull]

lmao that too

purru would be weaker than deino, logically

[regal galleon]

Bro??

[urban flax]

Sorry to break your dreams

[safe hearth]

Its the same like watching a documentary on TV. and if a few people want that, that's ok.

the people who want to play PvP don't lose any gameplay on that.

[regal galleon]

Purussaurus measured 12 meters, weighed 8 tons and had a bite of 7 tons. He was as strong as a T-Rex

[urban flax]

That's less than irl deino
And its the exact same stats as in-game deino

[urban flax]

Deinosuchus riograndensis isn't the largest species of deinosuchus

The largest is deinosuchus hatcheri

[safe hearth]

I don't remember which Dev stream this. but the Ai had a herd function in the processing at that time. all tenos followed the first teno.

but 50+ would be too much lol.
some computers would crash lol.

[regal galleon]

Purussauru is bigger, stronger and heavier than Deino

[urban flax]

You didn't read my messages did you ?
It doesn't matter anyway
Isle deino has been scaled down so it's not stupid OP, there is no reason to add another croc that is the exact same thing and fills the exact same role but stronger.

[urban flax]

yes

[regal galleon]

I disagree. I think the reason for this would be to stop having only Spino, Rex and Giga as the repetitive garbage Apex trio

[urban flax]

Sure, adding another apex that can just kill the other three is the solution
So instead of having the "garbage" apex trio consisting of rex, spino and giga, you have the obviously much better situation of having only purru

[acoustic rivet]

hello im new to the isle and i was wondering how to play the stress test

[urban flax]

You can't, stress test applications are limited, and they are now closed

[regal galleon]

Simple people only like what's pop, and that's why the hype of the game lasts less than the time to produce it

[regal galleon]

But that's my opinion. lol

[limber hull]

so adding an animal that is just superior to all of them fixes this how

deino is already extremely strong, imagine a variant that can fight apexes

[vital laurel]

Denio will be buffed when the eco system becomes bigger

[limber hull]

(it doesn't really need one)

[vital laurel]

It will get one anyways

[limber hull]

stego needs one, deino doesn't really

stego ain't living a rex no matter how hard it tries in current state

[urban flax]

stego main^

[limber hull]

why would i wanna play a boring, slow animal :P

i basically only play troodon now

god i love troodon

[urban flax]

That's exactly what a stego main would say

[limber hull]

it's also what a troodon main would say

[urban flax]

they're all the same

[keen pivot]

anyone else with ping issues?

[ocean coral]

currently an issue with everybody

[vital laurel]

play unoffical

[golden gust]

Bruh,that's the worst dino ever added to this game

[limber hull]

opinion but sure

i adore the animal, it's my favourite ever added

how is Troodon even the worst

what did it do to you lol

[lapis swallow]

The screams

They haunt me at night

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr
A: There will be more than just one strain, Hyper won't be the only one
B: Hyper is designed to die fast and be exceptionally hard to achieve, they won't be dominating servers at all

also they're hypers, not hypo

the name is not really important but still

[barren zephyr]

then why would you play smt that takes 12 hours to grow for you to die or idk how u even get a hypo

[limber hull]

hypers require a very specific set of circumstances, and are literally so unsustainable they often die from their own stomachs'

the reason you grow one is because it's a unique experience where you're the most powerful thing on the island

[stray onyx]

Agreed. I would play a hyper just to give people nightmares

Idc if I died within the hour or not, just let me ravage a herd of stegos and consume their corpses as the air fills with their terrored screams and the roar of my triumph echo through the valleys and plains

[errant hedge]

Growth time idea for rex and a new growth time idea for deino: Rex: 3 hours | Deino: 3 hours | And another idea, every apex have a growth time of 3 hours,

[lapis swallow]

midtiers have that amount of growth

[errant hedge]

Wrong channel

I don´t have time to play

[lapis swallow]

then grow them in multiple sittings

[errant hedge]

And i don´t will play 3 hours, with the chance of one deino or other kill me.

[lapis swallow]

But the growth time for deino is 5 hours

[urban flax]

Growing an apex isn't supposed to be easy

While I'm against artificially inflating growing times to create a time sink to deter people for playing apexes, 3 hours for a rex is way too short

[errant hedge]

What? Deino? WTF is a deino

[urban flax]

Unless all growth times in the game are dramatically reduced, but I don't think the game will be any better if omni takes 20 minutes to grow...

[errant hedge]

I im talking with dicksonosteus

Shut up

Ok

Lets continue

[lapis swallow]

@urban flax You are allowed to join the conversation

[errant hedge]

The deino is a bird right?

[urban flax]

no

[urban flax]

and no

[lapis swallow]

anyway, I disagree because growing an apex needs to take long

[errant hedge]

Ok

Rex growth time now is 1 year

Conversation terminated

[urban flax]

no

[errant hedge]

Bye bye

[lapis swallow]

good

[errant hedge]

Someone to say something about herrera

?

I think he will be good at ambushes

Imagine it like this: 5 herreras in trees waiting for some prey? It would be a good idea!

[humble pollen]

yes.

[tender latch]

@normal shuttle That's actually good

🔥

[faint folio]

@small anchor hi, I read your feedback. It sounds a little similar to what happened with my old laptop when I played some games. Is it possible to pull up task manager and see if you throttle anything? Or open your BIOS and look at your temperatures

My old laptop had thermal problems... I never found out what it was, but either a bad heat sink or dried out thermal paste maybe. In any case, when it ran a game that drew too much power or heat, either the computer would crash or it would lag out in the extreme

Or if I was lucky it would shut itself down gracefully. The monitor entering power saving mode sounds like the computer is shutting itself down

Anyways, not sure if that helps at all, or what you've tried

[midnight stirrup]

@open tartan similar ish to what you suggested, but something like this?

#general-feedback message

[safe flower]

#general-feedback message outdated

[plain jolt]

@tidal fjord This ain't fortnite people don't want to pay for a skin. However i would like that skin.

[tidal fjord]

Devs need to make money somehow... I'd prefer skins locked behind paywalls instead of maps and dinos.

[plain jolt]

There's Merch

Also the game costs a little bit of money

[tidal fjord]

Merch -_-

I couldn't care less about merch. Probably only a handful of die hard fans would.

[plain jolt]

Why would people want to pay for a skin, unless it gives buffs people wouldn't care

[tidal fjord]

The game costs a tiny amount considering all the effort that's gone into it. I'm more than happy to support them further if I get something cool in return.

[tidal fjord]

If it gave them buffs then it would be forcing players to buy it... which is a horrible idea.

[tidal fjord]

It's just cosmetics... looks different. Its a proven dlc model, I have no idea why you're alien to it.

Also, if they were to introduce that alternative skin, it would require development time... which isn't free.

[plain jolt]

Alr then

But as you can see by your votes, I'm not the only one

[tidal fjord]

People are usually against reaching for their pockets... its entirely understandable.

[plain jolt]

I'd like it yes, but I don't want to pay money for it

[tidal fjord]

Well what's the incentive for the devs to add it?

As I said, development time is expensive and we already have a rex model that looks considerably different.

[plain jolt]

Models also need to fit the games theme

[tidal fjord]

Yeah... that may be an issue, can't tell though.

[plain jolt]

The model presented is an accurate Rex, the isles lore changes its appearance

[tidal fjord]

The Isles rex looks like its starving.

Just doesn't look right, the head is huge and the body is small

[plain jolt]

It could be more chunky

Well I've got to go

Cya

[tidal fjord]

Bye

[low canopy]

focus should be on releasing complete game over cashing in on skins and not releasing anything worth paying for ever

[tidal fjord]

Bruh.... I literally said in the far future -.-

[low canopy]

and then I can complain about something else

[tidal fjord]

...

[limber hull]

Devs are extremely anti-micro transactions

They wouldn’t do it to begin with

[north quiver]

I’ve kept hearing repeatedly that money isn’t a problem for them. I wouldn’t be expecting any paid dlc, and rightfully so. never been a fan of not getting everything when you buy the game. that includes cosmetics

[north quiver]

[limber hull]

The only paid DLC they’ve ever discussed is an aquatic DLC with new maps, biomes, creatures and ecosystem

So stuff like Mosasaurs and whatnot

They are against anything like paying for skins, grows or new animals

[tidal fjord]

Whats getting everything? I don't get that mentality at all. You pay for the things that are promised at launch. You don't get EVERYTHING... otherwise there would be no after launch support for the game... no new content = dead game

[north quiver]

the idea of paid grows physically pains me

[tidal fjord]

That's much worse, they're locking considerable content behind pay walls.

[limber hull]

What?

It’s an entirely different set of content from the base game

[tidal fjord]

Its still considerable content... it'll devide the playerbase... this is mistakes games like the COD series have learnt from.

[limber hull]

A divided player base is an ironic argument given the ongoing Legacy vs EVRIMA argument

[tidal fjord]

Your acting like I'm infavour of said devide -_-

It is detrimental to the health of the game

[limber hull]

I personally dislike the idea of a considerable model change given possible confusion to players, and I feel paid skins go against everything the devs stand for

[urban flax]

A long time ago, back when TikTok and Early Acces games didn't exist yet, developers used to make content expansions for their game. This allowed, once their game was done and finished, but the playerbase still wanted more, to provide them what they wanted and get some compensation for it.

[tidal fjord]

Paid skins was the necessary evil the games industry settled for when people didn't want to pay for locked maps and stat changing content.

Apparently have have gone full circle lmao.

[limber hull]

Halo map packs, all of the DOOM Eternal DLCs, so on. No one is complaining about those because they considerably change and improve the experience and are worth the cash.

The hypothetical aquatic DLC will only be considered after the game is done too, so it’s really not an issue

[urban flax]

No, paid skins was always used as an easy solution for devs to make more money with minimal effort
People never asked to stop giving actual content for their money...

[tidal fjord]

Your a pleasant person.

[limber hull]

He is

[urban flax]

I'm not a person I'm a skeleton

[tidal fjord]

Still not pleasant

[north quiver]

because a considerable amount of people are getting sick of dlcs you need to pay for. what dissuades me from buying a game is the amount of dlcs it has that needs to be paid for. if I can’t buy the game and expect a full experience without having to shell out more money, then I’ll just move on to a different game. it’s especially unappealing in survival games

[tidal fjord]

We clearly haven't had the same experiences... in multilayer games where guns, vehicles and maps were released as DLC, people would complain that you would be dividing the player base between those that can afford it those that cannot or don't want to.

[north quiver]

destiny 2… I’ll never touch that with a 50 foot pole..

[limber hull]

but this isn't the same as "releasing a gun as DLC"

this is releasing an entirely new experience with unique animals specific to that experience

[tidal fjord]

Like Battlefields New maps?

[limber hull]

i dont play Battlefield

[tidal fjord]

New map, vehicles and guns

[limber hull]

not the same

[tidal fjord]

Wtf

[urban flax]

of course
Making a DLC in a PvP game that just allows you to use a new, (probably extremely OP) gun is a terrible thing

[tidal fjord]

Exactly the same

[urban flax]

But we're talking about different things here