general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

proteins isn't really that strong

[valid brook]

you dont think? i think they can be, its certainly the difference between life or death when fighting bleeders or things that can deal a lot of damage at once because of the healing

[limber hull]

makes no difference in those scenarios

[valid brook]

Personal opinion, i would say Proteins are just ever so slightly stronger than carbs, then lipids are just... they exist and no one deliberately seeks them out except for perfect growth

[limber hull]

the healing is really only notable while resting, and even then, it's SLOW

you aren't massively outhealing any damage source besides hypsi bites tbh

bleeders don't care because the proteins don't impact bleed much at all

[valid brook]

i believe otherwise. i have times where after a battle i would spend easily over an hour healing, but with just 1 S it can drop it to 30 minutes before i feel ready to fight again

[limber hull]

you want a buff to lipids, have them reduce hunger drain alongside everything else, as they're "fatty" and filling

[limber hull]

1 S provides no healing buff

literally placebo

[valid brook]

Hm. did they back in 6.0 i havent done much combat in 6.5 admittingly but i did quite a bit in 6.0.

[limber hull]

unless it's a protein plus other things

but healing buffs really don't matter

unless you're recovering

if you're in a fight, it might as well not exist

[valid brook]

yeah thats what i mean. i run (it varies) either 2S 1dot or 2dot 1 s

[jovial hazel]

The biggest thing with S is health lock regen. They added more locked health, and it's rough without some healing.

[valid brook]

which is understandable, but if yer fighting something and you both get some damage off but you both need to heal, having that S can mean getting back in the fight before your opponent and having an upperhand

[limber hull]

im not arguing its bad, but compared to carbs as they are, it's literal garbage

carbs are just better than everything by a country mile atm

[jovial hazel]

I agree with that for the most part. I prefer 2s on raptor though. I'm healing more than regenning Stam from running.

[limber hull]

it's not just regenning tho

you run for longer and gain it back faster

it's literally so good you'd be stupid not to take it on every creature

[valid brook]

i could see 2 dots 1 s (or vice verse) going well on raptor, especially if yer in a pack of 3 plus. you get smacked it can give you some time to heal real quick while also maintaining decent stam

[limber hull]

you do all three different nutrients to grow, then 3 carbs while adult, that's how diets work

the change was unnecessary and just created a bizarre meta

they should've never done it

stam decay in general has always been a really frustratingly powerful diet

back when it was 2 carb one lipid and now

it literally defines fights and hunts

[valid brook]

didnt it have the opposite effect when it was this diet?

[limber hull]

no

[valid brook]

im pretty sure quite a few people tested it and proved it was worse

[jovial hazel]

Yeah it never worked before.

[limber hull]

it 100% did

i literally stress tested it

[jovial hazel]

Infact, negative Stam decay from bad diet gave you longer run time.

Then it changed in main branch.

[limber hull]

they fixed that

[valid brook]

yeah i heard from quite a few people this was an issue during all of 6.0

admittingly though i never tested it myself

[jovial hazel]

I did

[valid brook]

fairs

well none the less i think something needs to be changed with the diets, although im unsure how to balance it well

[valid brook]

you're another person i believe has decent views on things. may i ask your opinion on this? #general-feedback message

[jovial hazel]

I'll check it out when I get home.

[valid brook]

sure take your time. feel free to ping me aswell ^.^

[vale pawn]

I had a similar idea to yours but instead of puting everything to 1 diet I thought of dividing the animals into different groups

[bronze vector]

@wraith gale is there even a tracking system for bleed? from what i know you just have to sniff and look for it, no directional pointers

[marsh jetty]

I disagree

[bronze vector]

^ignore the ginger, shes delusional

[valid brook]

please keep all chat to and about other users polite and respectful

[bronze vector]

ok

[midnight fable]

They told you

[reef cipher]

Are we ever going to get a giant snake as a playable character? XD

[limber hull]

titanoboa was planned but from what we've heard, that's scrapped

i believe they do have a model for it, but that's it

[reef cipher]

damn thats sad news, i absolutely love snakes XD

[limber hull]

who knows, they might change their mind

the reason was the mechanical nightmare that is coding a snake

[reef cipher]

yeah, i can imagine the coding that needs to go into that for even just basic things like movement... would seem like a bit of a nightmare, I just bought a few pythons irl and yeah absolutely love snakes XD, had me thinking about gameplay loops of a snake, some really interesting things you could do for it, like how often it has to eat .. or can go long periods of time without food... hanging from trees in wait for the next meal.

would totally add another jumpscare to the game XD

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message

This is more roleplay oriented, but I think being able to have a "nip" attack, a bite animation that does little damage and no bleed would be fun. Mainly bc I like to bully the people I play with, without killing them lol.

Sparring is coming, though I hope they implement it for more species than just ceratopsians, I think all herbivores should have some version of sparring.

[prime sail]

In response to your feedback post @dusty sigil

I think the whole point is because you will have the issue we had in legacy where you’ll spawn on the opposite side of the map and be like 8 km away. Half the time spent playing with your friends is literally just trying to get to them which can take an entire hour. I think envrima fixed that issue. I would however like to be able to communicate in global chat with everyone again. All species should be able to communicate. That’s one thing I’d have back from legacy. I get the desire for realism, but it should be something the admins can turn on or off at the very least. The more social the game is the better.

(Didn’t wanna wait five hours to say something)

[limber hull]

rook i like ur pfp

[prime sail]

Thanks for the response, yeah I want some form of this

[dusty sigil]

Thank-you. All credit goes to Smeasel.

[prime sail]

I also like it

[limber hull]

i literally have that very image as a sticker on my private server

because it's the best image ever

[barren zephyr]

Maybe just make random spawning an option instead of forced?

That way if you can't pick, you just click random.

[dusty sigil]

Haha, brilliant! He struck gold with this troodon drawing.

[prime sail]

Yeah they could just add a sixth option that is random

That includes all spawn pintos

Points

[barren zephyr]

Maybe spawning randomly could also have a benefit to it, like spawning you in a lesser used spawn area which would make getting spawn killed less likely

[prime sail]

They should add a beach spawn lol I go there all the time

[dusty sigil]

I'm not keen on Global chat on officials, but community servers should be allowed it to better interact and manage their players. I feel as though officials should be the "hard" mode of the game. It wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, but I think it should be the more difficult version.

[prime sail]

I can’t wait for the next map update tbh it actually looks fun

[prime sail]

I just want the option for it yk. Admins should get to choose for sure cuz I love communication and I can’t do that in envrima. I love envrima but that’s one of my things I hate about it

[dusty sigil]

Fair. People feel very strongly about these things, but it should always be a toggle option for community servers.

[prime sail]

The chat in Envrima almost isn’t even worth having at this point

And at the very least it shouldn’t only be local chat. Which I always feel like it is. I don’t have anyone really that I play envrima with so I would like to be able to reach out and find people. Like legacy had the player list which was so nice to have for making new friends

Legacy definitely did the social aspect better

[stray onyx]

My main dislike of chat in Evrima is that... it is next to useless for communication.

Like, if you are a pack of raptors setting up an ambush, you can’t make much noise and to communicate to your friends requires a lot of on the fly adjustments that chat doesn’t provide.

[magic hare]

Make friends and add each other on discord. Problem solved.

[prime sail]

Nah they ain’t getting rid of in game sound like chat calls. But they should definitely add back global chat

Definitely want to keep that for realism. Makes you careful about talking in chat

Like today my buddy and I got jumped because we were allos sitting in global chat talking and a Giga snuck up on us in the dark and chomped my friend. We were careless and died for it

[north quiver]

I’ve never been a fan of global chat. I do however want the broadcast call to make your chat go significantly far for a short amount of time

[stray onyx]

I don’t mean get rid of the sounds, but add a new system for faster chatting such bad using a voice chat feature that for the duration of using it your dinosaur makes small calls so you can more quickly get your message out

[prime sail]

It’s nearly impossible to communicate via chat on envrima

[prime sail]

Most Dino’s I think have small calls for chat

If I’m not mistaken they are rarely silent

[stray onyx]

They do, that’s my point. What I am suggesting here is to add an in game VC that utilizes speed and instead of relying on the chat feature in the middle of a hunt. It would make hunting with complete strangers less painful because you can effectively communicate

[limber hull]

that'd be much nicer than global

[north quiver]

which is honestly good. I can’t imagine the witch hunts that would go down when someone complains “this person killed my dryo >:( !!!” or “teno right here come kill it!!! I’ll follow it so you all can always know where it is!!!”

[limber hull]

we absolutely don't need Global

[north quiver]

agreed

[limber hull]

ptera using global chat to just constantly broadcast your location and you can't do anything to stop it

[north quiver]

[limber hull]

legit, making a broadcast chat that widens your chat range by 3-4x but also reveals your location and has a cooldown could be much more interesting

[north quiver]

definitely. it’d make finding people to herd or pack with a lot better

[limber hull]

and it'd keep chat species-specific

[prime sail]

It should be optional for admins to have or not have global chat

[normal lotus]

Iirc they did say they might be doing it for Humans. Dunno tho

[limber hull]

proxy VC is basically confirmed for humans

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message

Probably the worst part about playing Omni/Troodon. You just sit and hope they hop off. But typically when this happens, you're so low that all they have to do is alt bite you once and you're dead anyway

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
"game's dying"

literally by what metric, it's still doing fine and has a stable 5k+ players per day

[normal lotus]

This game has highs and lows in terms of its population depending on updates usually what do you mean? @sullen ivy

[full pewter]

Sure it’s slow and rough at times but the concept and vision for the future is still alive and well, and I’m stoked to see what comes of the game. Just stinks how many game breaking bugs come out of each update

[old shuttle]

Game isn't really dying at all, and I don't think we've had enough updates to tell if we're going to have consistent monthly updates or not. We'll have to wait and see, in that regard

I just want suchomimus in my life 💀

[ebon coyote]

@prime sail *"nah, wait until game is complete. Us getting access to envrima as a beta test is just them letting us help them make the game by testing it. If they push it to the public too soon then itll get rushed and become another legacy isle and remain unfinished and fail. too many games these days rush rush rush to get completed and then die quickly.

Also the vast majority still plays legacy more than envrima."*

Nothing here is rushed, they already build on The Isle longer then some big Studios on a top Game. Probably Dondi is retired before its done.

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[valid brook]

@vital coral to answer your question though, it's a known issue. its being worked on but unfortunately its seeming to be a difficult task. Hopefully the ping will be back to normal sooner rather than later

[midnight fable]

How would y’all feel about a heat system? I explained on how it would work kinda in #general-feedback

[vital coral]

Thank you! It's such a great game. For now, we'll play on some unofficial servers for a while. Then it's back to the anarchy of EU servers haha

[valid brook]

no problem, best of luck

[wraith gale]

#general-feedback message i like this

[barren zephyr]

still no idea why they deleted the meme channel

[prime sail]

well yes i know they are taking a long time but to put the unfinished game up as the main game would be silly when most players play legacy anyways

[twilit snow]

@uncut dagger I'm pretty sure that's because of the free look.

[uncut dagger]

i didnt know that was a thing. kinda makes sence it still be better for it to be another key

[twilit snow]

Well, you can always change the key tbh

[vital laurel]

Show me the active servers then? Most servers are dead and has been delted, most of them are just China servers

And legacy is x10 more broken than evrima and it seems like people cant even join legacy servers anymore

[limber hull]

oh you're talking about legacy lol

[ocean coral]

bro the chinese servers in legacy are like 100 times more populated then all evrima servers combined 💀

each server has 200 people

and theres like 80 of them

[icy lion]

The populations listed are fake

They set them high to get players to join

Most of them are empty and redirect to the same server

[ebon coyote]

Please no DLCs...

[limber hull]

I really don't see an issue with a DLC once all the mainline content is done

You'd have so much you wouldn't even need a DLC

[vital laurel]

Its a spoof

[lyric pollen]

y?

[vital laurel]

I aint Paying more for this game the development time is to crap for it, a free dlc would be great but not paied

[lyric pollen]

ok i see your point but they have to develop a whole new ecosystem, i would pay 10$ to use all the creatures and get a new map with a new system

[ebon coyote]

I know how that works, in a lot of games all nice stuff is locked behind payment. I dont want to spend even more money.

[ocean coral]

yeah 1 year just for new playables is wild ngl

especially when they are like 15 developers

[ebon coyote]

This

[limber hull]

i feel like we're vastly understating the fact that
A: 4 playables were released at once to make up for the massive delay
B: The reason said playables took so long was not due to the playables being unfinished but rather the playables being held back by a lack of appropriate systems to accomodate them
C: Some animals (such as beipi) have around 500 unique animations according to devs. Not all of them have this many, but there's a LOT of work
D: More playables are still in the works, such as dilo, herrera and dibble

Also the fact that they have "15 devs" is absurd

Not all of the devs are "all hands on deck" when it comes to playables exclusively

[ocean coral]

reasons why i dont play this game as much

[limber hull]

For example, visualtech, seiza, tapwing, and punch all don't work on playables, at all

that's not their job

[ocean coral]

its the same for like 1 year

same playables

same thing

[limber hull]

not really?

[ocean coral]

new update comes out

people play for 2 month

and then it gets boring because its the same

[limber hull]

i mean, personally, the 4 new playables don't matter as much to me as the new map

throwing new playables doesn't fix the game's core problems

[ebon coyote]

I would even be happy If there would be News about the Servers, Yesterday I had lag on all of them. I dont even wanna start about regular updates

[limber hull]

it adds more toys to play with in a terrible playground

you could literally add 5 new playables next update, but if it were still on the same map with no new mechanical changes, it'd be nothing

the game needs significant change, not more toys to hide the fact that it's still fundamentally finished at its core, which is what the devs are prioritising over just adding a ton of dinos because people want something new to play with for a month and forget about

[ebon coyote]

It Just feels Like Star Citizen 2.0 right now 😂

[limber hull]

i would literally rather the mutation/elder system to new playables any day. Hell, even weather is cooler to me than new playables at this juncture.

but primarily, I just want the new map

[ocean coral]

because its the same for 1 year and you only get hyped for like 2 months

[limber hull]

because the core game is incomplete

new dinos don't fix that fundamental issue

[ocean coral]

if they atleast tell us SOMETHING

i would be happy at this point

[ebon coyote]

Yup, communication

[limber hull]

they do if you pay attention to this discord (or just use the search bar)

there is literally a dev, right now, in #isle-discussion talking about upcoming human stuff

[ocean coral]

im 90% sure that general feedback is useless because the devs barely check it the only thing they actually check are bugs thats probably it, its rare for them to see any general feedback at this point

[limber hull]

they def check it

[ocean coral]

barely

[limber hull]

constantly

you not seeing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[ocean coral]

if thats true then the would tell us something atleast

[limber hull]

why

like... what do you say

comment on every person's feedback to tell them "we saw it"

[ocean coral]

no tell us something about new upcoming updates

[limber hull]

they do

it's not even that hard to find them talking about it

[ocean coral]

last thing they told us was 23 days ago what u mean?

[limber hull]

again, search bar

they're constantly in and out of public channels answering questions

and talking about things to come

if you rely on nothing but the big-scale announcements, then you're going to be disappointed

because making a big-scale announcement over a minor talking point is not necessary

[ocean coral]

theres still alot of bugs since 6.5 and not been fixed till this day

alot actually

[limber hull]

of which they have said they are aware of and are working on for next patch, yes

[ocean coral]

exactly

and whens that?

[limber hull]

it's pretty obvious they don't give ETAs, so this is a worthless question

[ocean coral]

i know they dont but they take along time for the dumbest things this is why games like path of titans are getting more more players they have constant updates at this point me and my friends dont play the game because of the bugs and lack of updates

if only they did an update fixing bugs each month then i would be happy

[limber hull]

i mean, i find path of titans lacks any and all attention to detail or quality that resembles the isle, but i guess the quantity of stuff outweighs the quality

[ocean coral]

agreed but still updates have alot of delay it doesnt have enough content to enjoy

[prime sail]

Completely agree. They have a very small team and have done great work

PoT gameplay is no where near as fun or fluid as Isle gameplay.

[barren zephyr]

I feel the player base is a bit over-demanding with playables, I'd much prefer a good and well designed map, good optimization, and stable servers over playing carnivore #5345

Optimization over anything honestly, gotta have a good baseplate before you add more to the game

[icy lion]

@azure ruin What do you mean by help people?

[azure ruin]

Exactly what I said - just give some assistance WHEN they have the time to.

[lyric pollen]

the game is 20$ max, spending 10$ more bucks for basically a new game isnt that bad

[icy lion]

Assistance with what? #general-feedback isn't for requesting assistance

[azure ruin]

I typed wrong >.< I meant in troubleshooting!

[lyric pollen]

#general-feedback message they updated their message

[icy lion]

Only Punch helps with troubleshooting, we have tech support and other helpful members for that. If everything in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 has been exhausted, we encourage people to dm Punch to seek extra assistance

[azure ruin]

I just don't want to be bothersome T_T

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message "No one plays deino"
If only this was real

[azure ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-peralta-i-wish-brooklyn99-b99jake-gif-23668724

[fathom tulip]

@hybrid mica I agree that ptera shouldn't be quite so frail, but it's not meant to be a juvie hunter. It's supposed to be a fisher/scavanger

[stray onyx]

It lacks visual detail but the game is pretty solid

[ebon coyote]

I was thinking the same 😂🤔

[coarse spruce]

Make game crash less

[ebon coyote]

Are you sure this is a Game issue? I actually never crashed on The Isle, not Legacy nor Evrima.

[valid brook]

theres no doubt that some people crash more often than others in the isle, personally knocks on woodi rarely crash, but i know some people who crash multiple times a day. not sure exactly what causes it, could be lack of resources, or error in game code

[coarse spruce]

Usually it soft crashes for me. The game just freezes with sounds still playing for minutes on end

Only thrice have I had "fatal error" popups

[crisp plaza]

Id be happy with npc spawns for baby feed and other dinos around so you have stuff to hunt and kill on any server

[limber hull]

@full pewter watched the entire video, start to finish

i still stand by disagreeeing

[full pewter]

Ok, what were your problems?

[limber hull]

the entire video conveniently leaves out elders and mutations as an upcoming mechanic, the only solution being "add more PvE" does nothing but further support the "grow to full and then actually do stuff", the concept that "juvis are still boring because they can't fight but they're also getting a sanctuary area where only juvis can live in so they can fight other juvis but somehow that doesn't fix the problem"

i expected at least ONE mention of elders since there was literally a message she showed where Punch mentions elders, yet nope, elders are never brought up

[mint sonnet]

elders and mutations still provide only for PvP and fighting, and adult stages. There's still nothing to do within the game itself besides fight.

The ball pit for juviniles is, tho it might make it more interesting (like I said in the video), still is a half assed "fix" to a problem because it is not adressing the core issue. PvP is STILL the only thing to it.

theres your mention :]

also Stello, thankyou!

[full pewter]

On that part, that’s fair, but what more are elders than just stronger adults? Not to mention that elders would mean natural death which I’m personally iffy on. And perks need to be more than combat based which I’m sure is part of the plan, but we know so little on what those options are for now

[limber hull]

PvE does nothing. You can add a ton of AI herbivores, but when are you going to engage with them? Certainly not as a juvi

Grow to full, THEN engage with the AI herbivores

[full pewter]

I think PvE would help with the experience a lot more

IF we’ll done, cause we all know pot

[mint sonnet]

AI also is not the only aspect to PvE - it's just one part
And interacting isnt JUST fighting.

Thats all I'll say here tho cause I dont wanna get into it!
Go look at other survival games

[limber hull]

If the AI is treated as intelligent, there shouldn't be a way a juvi can take it down, unless it takes a book from AI dryo and just stops and screams mid-chase so carnivores can catch up

[full pewter]

I think we need more AI than animals like rabbits and pigs, insects would help

[limber hull]

How though, legitimately, what does more PvE add besides things to fight that aren't players

It's still a fighting sim except now you can fight more things that aren't players

[limber hull]

Insects and termite mounds would be nice

Especially with some insectivores

I know they're literally adding bees into sanctuaries

Which is ironic given the "ballpit with bees" analogy

[mint sonnet]

oh yeah I did that on purpose HAHA
glad u noticed lol

[limber hull]

i will say the art of the little dinosaur in a ballpit getting swarmed by bees was A+ I loved it

i cannot deny true art

[mint sonnet]

omg haha thankyou!

[limber hull]

migrations I feel will help a great deal since it forces players to actually move

weather could also be argued as PvE elements as it actively changes your environment and forces you to recontextualise how you engage with it (droughts and whatnot will make sources of water change in their safety and frequency, so you will be encouraged to move to find more of this resource)

[full pewter]

Some ideas I have for pve

Harsh terrain: trees to cross across a ravine for example

Food events or hot spots: salmon migrations and sardine schools, worms coming to the surface in the rain, tide pools

Weather would also play

I’ll probably think of more

[limber hull]

we actually have some of that with gateway. the bridges to cross large rivers, migrations literally being a mechanic

[full pewter]

Making shelter, burrows for one, maybe others could make stick shelters for one

[full pewter]

Like I mean a fallen redwood tree across a deep ravine, like a treacherous crossing

[limber hull]

a giant river is by all accounts a treacherous crossing

because, y'know, 8 ton gator

like i'll make it known that basically even apex level animals should be afraid of crossing Gateway's rivers

they are WIDE and they are DEEP

A stego would be obliterated trying to swim across

[full pewter]

I get that ik, I’m just inserting some variety

I think the problem Ali is trying to address is what more can the isle do that isn’t combat based, which granted is a very difficult problem to tackle cause what more can you do in a game as a dinosaur that is both fun and engaging

This is the main reason why I wanted to promote the video

[rich plover]

I personally haven't played much of the isle itself but I have been keeping up in the updates of other youtubers at times. I personally think it HAS come a long way.
The gameplay loop definitely can be a bit of a grind/bore but as long as the developers continue to update the game, listen to the community and give a lot of love to the game. I reckon it CAN Turn into a great game upon full release (Whenever that may happen)

[full pewter]

THIS! This is what keeps me at the game, the hype for the future. Without it the game now wouldn’t survive

But that in itself is another problem, the wait for updates is insufferable, I was hoping we would have another playable by the end of summer, and as I thought I was asking too much

Or at least gateway, beautiful gateway…🤤

[rich plover]

That's true, the updates do take a long time to come out, I just finished watching the video linked earlier. which entails how harsh/hard the gaming industry can be. On a personal level I don't know the extent but through others I can definitely see it. Despite how long they take, each update is EVENTUALLY coming out. hopefully in the future with more love and care to enhance the gameplay

And if they can get more into their crew, the updates might be able to hasten yet remain at an acceptable state

[full pewter]

I’d be much more forgiving if the devs were more transparent on what they go through developing the updates, monthly devblogs just feel too infrequent now

[rich plover]

Yeah, thats fair. I feel they have put a lot of care and love into the environmental/survival feel of the game. Not so much with the Player Vs Player Element. I mean the horror feel especially at night is unreal. But the pvp iss a bit lackluster in its current state

Though I'm not sure how they could enhance/upgrade the pvp system

[full pewter]

At least the pvp isn’t legacy pvp, on that part I’m ok with it, pvp as of now I think is quite good

[limber hull]

pvp is at least legit engaging

[full pewter]

All the Dino’s are unique in how they approach combat at least

[rich plover]

Mm! I've not actually played legacy isle (Solely because no servers with decent ping exist/are populated :c) So All I can see is how Evrima pvp is enhanced. which is quite fun. and how you guys say I'll take your word ^^

Does The Isle take place in a certain "Era" Per say? I'm having a complete mind blank at the moment

[full pewter]

Legacy pvp is literally just stay on any Dino’s ass and bite them till they’re dead (at least if there is no alt turn)

[limber hull]

modern

[full pewter]

And because of that, a single Utahraptor can kill anything with enough skill, but I hate that it’s cause of an exploit rather than an in game mechanic

[full pewter]

There’s the two versions of the game, but as far as evrima goes people just keep track of updates as the state/feel of the game somewhat changes each time

[rich plover]

Mm, and as MyUniverse in their video said. Focusing more on pve elements and the addition for the ai scenarios such as the pteradons nesting/swooping and larger packed herbivores protecting smaller ones grazing etc. THAT would make the game feel so much more alive, since even when some of the servers are FULL I rarely come across players as their elsewhere despite being a full lobby

[north quiver]

I’ve honestly never been a fan of ai (limited small ai such as rabbits and boar are fine, but nothing else. no ai dinosaurs. not even dryos). if you need ai to make a game feel alive (not counting small ai like birds and bugs and whatnot that’d add to the overall environment) when it’s supposed to be large numbers of players on a single server, then there’s an issue that needs addressing. there’s no fun or skill in hunting ai in a game centered around player vs player interaction

[limber hull]

agreed, 100%

[rare fractal]

Unless the ai can replicate player competence

Which will probably never happen

[full pewter]

Same also agree

The biggest problem I have with ai is how will it work with nesting? Idk like I hope we won’t be nesting with ai Dino’s

[north quiver]

it’d be a nice thing to have as a server option because all purely online games are destined to die at some point, but the main focus should be player on player interactions. knowing you’re playing with ai doesn’t give the same gratification as playing with another human being. it’s just magical when an environment can feel alive with hundreds of other players. giant herds of players? breathtaking. the feeling you can’t get if that huge herd is just ai or ai with a few players

[low vapor]

finally, someone with common sense. very much agreed

[ivory sierra]

For experience, would be possible to set a hardcore server without night vision, with shorter night balanced with longer dawn and longer twilight ?

In all cases, I don’t really understand, why we have to play with the night vision during a so long time. It’s a shame about the immersion and we don't get to enjoy the game's beautiful lights. This feature penalizes The Isle promotion on Twitch, too often the stream is in black and white. This feature doesn’t bring a challenging survival mechanic or a special atmosphere, it’s casual and gives the image of an arcade game for viewers.

HELP PLEASE

[limber hull]

you realise how complex the "AI dinos" would be if they are to be comparable to a human player? With the amount of processing power, constant equations and other elements, you'd be better off just... making bigger servers to fill those slots

the issue with non-complex dino AI is that they become basically either exceptionally frustrating terminators or walking free food

we've dealt with this before, they immediately obliterate all sense of immersion

[mint sonnet]

Actually i wanna come back for a quick sec:
Your argument assumes basically the same idea as; hey! AI bad because its not human, so lets get rid of all AI in minecraft (funny its also a survival game like this one is wanting to be) and everyone can just play AS the skeletons and the cows etc.

Yeah. See how that goes.

AI is needed for survival games. They're part of the world, important to it, as important as the map itself.

The Isle has never really seen good AI tho, so basing it off of that is a bit silly, huh.

[rare fractal]

tbf minecraft is only a survival game because it's.....got a hunger bar and that's it

[limber hull]

that's... almost completely unrelated

Minecraft focuses on creativity and self-expression far more than the survival elements, and does not rely on other players to complete your experience. You can boil down the sure-fire way to survive literally anything as a dirt shack with a door, a torch and a bed.

The AI isn't also trying to pretend to be a player, we don't have AI building large complex structures or using a plethora of items to craft, the AI is independent (kinda like the AI we have now, with all AI in the game being their own unique AI creatures and not derivative of playable animals)

Our current AI is literally perfect for what the game is. It insentivises player interaction over simply just interating with AI, while also adding more life to the world and not breaking immersion by having playable animals also act like stupid robots

It creates an actual food chain. Small thing eat smaller AI, bigger thing eat small thing and bigger AI, biggest thing can't sustain itself on pure AI and must hunt players

It's a genius way to do it, in all honesty

[mint sonnet]

i dont want to get into this cause theres no point
But since you've @'d me here's my final piece:

No. The Isle wants to be a survival game, so it needs AI. I dont need to say more than look at the current state of it: a hot mess full of ppl mostly playing ceras and carnos and utahs
Doesnt feel like much of an ""ecosystem"" to me

The Isle needs to decide what it wants to be, a fighting game? or a survival game? Cause right now its a broken mess of the two

Anyway im out
Peace

[urban flax]

AI works in games where player is superior to their foes (Minecraft, DayZ) or when the player is inferior to their foes (Dark Souls, Monster Hunter)
If the player is required to be an equal to their foes (The Isle) Ai will have a very hard time fulfilling this job because it can't have its stats changed to accomodate for inferior intelligence

[limber hull]

adding AI doesn't make it a survival game though

[urban flax]

Animal AI works because it is not equal to the dinos
Currently it's inferior, I wish it was superior, but we have what we have

[limber hull]

see: Rust

Rust has AI, sure, but the primary focus is on the players, AI is not what makes the game a survival. Remove the AI and literally nothing changes

The thing is with rust, the AI presents a threat the player cannot

A bear is beefier than a player

It will tear you asunder if it gets close

Having an AI pretend to be a player tenonto, it's not really adding anything new

Besides free food I guess

[urban flax]

It's a thing seen with every game
If we want an AI to pose a threat to a player, either the game needs to be very limited in its scope and mechanics so it can replicate player behavior (fighting games) either it needs inflated stats
Inflated stats is not an option in The Isle, imagine AI tenos having 3000 hp with no exterior sign

[limber hull]

AI-only creatures ensures
A: AI remains as immediately distinguishable as "AI". You aren't immediately having your immersion broken by a boar acting like a bot, because it's supposed to
B: They can be built as AI first, not playable first
C: They don't end up making large carni's lives too easy and actually make it that players are encouraged to pick smaller animals

[limber hull]

Honestly, the best way to implement AI that actually serves as a threat is a hyper that just... Exists for a while honestly, if you wanted AI that actually is unique and is remarkably different from what you'd encounter with a player, but obviously that has its own plethora of problems

[ebon coyote]

@scenic delta The devs should't have to do anything to fix mix-packing. As players we should just stop with it. how bout dat👍

People still do it just like people using Cheats 🤷 Do you really think folk like that acts normal If you just tell them to?

[scenic delta]

worth a shot

and no not really

[ebon coyote]

Its not, most people told them and keep telling them to stop, only thing that helps is punishment sadly.

[scenic delta]

i'm aware i just want hope

[ebon coyote]

If you are aware, why post it and make good ideas less noticeable...

[urban flax]

Hey it's not like there are many good ideas in general feedback anyways

[icy lion]

@lyric pollen Wouldn't that let people get to the strongest stage of elder and stay there?

[lyric pollen]

i aint think of that 😔

i delete it cuz now my whole idea is flawed

[scenic delta]

well thats too bad, but you were on the right path 👍

[neat scroll]

I feel like we've all heard the "fix ping/latency issues" and "fix optimization" enough times to have gotten the point, right? Spamming it isn't going to make the devs work any faster imo. They know. They're working on it, slow 🐌 as they might be.

[desert hornet]

@mint sonnet I just watched your video and I have to say, you articulated this games issues so so SO well. I really hope the devs watch it and actually listen to your points.
Having more AI would make nesting more viable (I personally LOVE the nesting mechanics b u t I end up starving to death almost every time, or my hatchlings starve to death because I was out hunting unsuccessfully for too long). I heard a while ago (idk if its true) that the devs are planning to add AI dinosaurs like rex after the playables are added. Hopefully they do that with all the dinos so the game has an actual environment. I also saw someone else say that they should add more interaction mechanics like play fighting and nuzzling which would help IMMENSELY with the player environment and having players get more attached to their dinos and packmates.

I've hit over 1000 hours in this game so changes like you said would just be so magical and fill out the whole Isle experience

Because the gameplay is only grow-fight-die right now, I have gotten so bored that I have explored the entire map and now know it like the back of my hand. I love being familiar with the game but it becomes pointless to be familiar with it if theres nothing to do besides grow-fight-die

I'm at the point where I would beg on my knees for the devs to add anything OTHER than new dinos lol I'm glad you made that video cause its saved me from grovelling

[limber hull]

how would AI make nesting more viable if they can't engage with the mechanic the same way a player can

[desert hornet]

how do you mean

[limber hull]

how are AI going to improve nesting

like... what can they do?

[north quiver]

they can be the father or mother that grabs milk or can’t do anything

[limber hull]

i mean, essentially

[desert hornet]

more AI = more food to sustain nesting. At this point in development theres not enough food around to have a successful nesting experience, so people are discouraged from nesting

[limber hull]

i'd honestly argue there's ample food, but the issue with nesting is nutrition drain being ridiculous

increasing the amount of food availible just makes carnivore lives really easy

carnivores as they stand are already too easy, even cerato with its colossal stomach

carno is the only animal i truly fear starvation with

in fact, carnivores have so much available food it LITERALLY makes centre lag with how much meat is just scattered all over the place

[desert hornet]

Lets see, even when I'm playing by myself I have an incredibly hard time finding AI, even when I know where they spawn. When I'm grouped with people its even more challenging because now everyone is starving, and finding players is incredibly hard because people are either hiding or fighting in a ppvp hotspot. Hotspots are incredibly dangerous not even because of the players but the ping is so high its unplayable

I play virtually every single day and yet I only manage to nest maybe once to twice a month because just starting a nest is so hard to do

[north quiver]

if people would actually spread out away from center and not have the server be %50+ deinos, then finding other players to hunt would be far more enjoyable. apparently gateway will help fix the hotspots because spawning will be mostly randomized (I think?)

deino will also be beaten senseless with the difficulty stick, so

[limber hull]

lmao true, Gateway my beloved

[desert hornet]

And when I do manage to finally get a nest, either I starve because theres no ai even far from the nest, or my babies die because I had to bring them on the hunt or they wouldve starved because I was starving

[north quiver]

my beloved gateway

[limber hull]

like, 100%, the complete overpopulation of deinosuchus and the current map of spiro is a massive element in why it's so hard to find any food outside of the main areas

i would rather more players in more places than AI

I enjoy the fact that other players act as survival resources, it's always been an exceptionally interesting part of the game

[desert hornet]

yes I agree the hotspots are super irritating. I try to spread things out by exploring avery nook and cranny but I eventually will HAVE to go to a hotspot to avoid starving because theres never anyone around

[north quiver]

ai would just be a bandaid for the current issue

[limber hull]

100%

i'd argue most of the current game's issues are literally Spiro issues

[desert hornet]

Ai would be a piece of what needs to be done, but its a fix thats needed regardless.

[limber hull]

low FPS, beipi feeling like it isn't meeting potential, deinos EVERYWHERE

AI isn't really needed though, we already have it and it's done extremely well

conceptually speaking, I think the current AI implementation is genius

[desert hornet]

I absolutely hate the way its implemented right now. The AI all broke from the last update so they don't have half the animations theyre supposed to, the boars hit box is broken, they're super quiet and incredibly hard to see

and of course jus the general lack of AI

[limber hull]

I feel you misunderstand

[north quiver]

I actually really like the idea of smaller playables like omni, troodon, herrera, and other smalls be the only playables that can get nutrients from ai. it’d force larger playables into actually hunting rather than afk growing after they kill a boar or deer

[limber hull]

The AI conceptually is genius

Smaller, distinct AI with unique behaviours and appearances that act to feed the smaller members of the roster, but can't sustain larger carnivores

It can't be confused with a player, it can't break your immersion by acting strangely because it always acts like AI, it's "walking food" that isn't so plentiful that it negates the need to engage with other players

[desert hornet]

Yes but at the moment we don't have that

[north quiver]

the most beautiful thing

[limber hull]

we literally do what

what do you mean "we don't have that", that's literally what we have

[desert hornet]

Because the only AI with "unique behaviors" is the boar and thats only because its aggro af. Everything else just runs and take hits till they die. The AI right now don't add anything to the game besides a backup plan if you can't find people or food for juvis and small players

nothing actually intuitive about it really

I want to have to think and battle the AI, track them, pull guts out if I'm small enough

Dig them out of burrows

[limber hull]

frogs will retreat to water and swim away, rabbits burrow, compies are attracted to meat and will eat at it

[desert hornet]

thats it

I'm saying more is needed

Also don't even at me about frogs, I can never find them unless I'm a dieno

Which is pointless cause its not their diet

[limber hull]

i fail to see what personal experience has to do with objective fact

[desert hornet]

Personal experience is the whole point of the game lmao

And even then my personal experience doesnt change the fact that the AI is lackluster and desperatly needs an overhaul

We need more to do than just grow-fight-die is the whole point

[limber hull]

And more AI doesn't change that

If anything, it just makes the grow part easier and nothing more

[north quiver]

I’m very sure they’ll touch on ai later down the road. we still have yet to get other important mechanics

[desert hornet]

I feel you do not understand, AI is not the only thing that must change

Just a stepping stone to the great potential this game has

[limber hull]

I mean, just scrap the AI part and focus on actual stuff that needs changing

Want more PvE? Weather, droughts and other such events. Make the environment literally change, forcing player engagement.

Want more food and less hotspots? Gateway and migrations act to force players to move and make it easier to eat and nest as both carnis and herbis.

Want more stuff to do besides fight and die? Elders and mutations encourage you to survive and keep yourself healthy to obtain benefits.

All of the biggest problems can be solved without AI involvement

[mint sonnet]

ayo man im glad you enjoyed! thankyou!
also lmao I feel that HAHA

[desert hornet]

They can also be made better with AI involvement. Imagine if a thunderstorm comes through and causes an AI stampede? Or the tide pulls out the ocean leaving behind a temporary crab banquet

Endless PVE possiblilities can be exaserbated with more AI involvement

[limber hull]

I mean, the crab thing is cool, but the stampede can be also made with players

I just like the dinosaurs being player controlled, it's a lot more interesting

(also trying to make realistic AI that acts as complex as a player would literally be extremely resource expensive on the server, and you'd be better off just adding more player slots)

[desert hornet]

I love the player aspect as well, its what makes the game unique and keeps me playing. But, the AI we have now don't take away from the player-made-environment experience, why would it take away from it afterward? The suggestions to add more diverse and immersive AI isn't to take away from the player-ran aspect of the world but rather to enhance that aspect and bring a more enjoyable, less boring experience to the isle

[limber hull]

because the AI doesn't pretend to be a player

that's why it doesn't take away much at all from it

[desert hornet]

I don't think anyone wants the AI to be pretend people, its more that the AI should be an actual interaction and highlight of gameplay rather than just chasing and eating

[limber hull]

the main reason i despise AI rex is that it completely reduces rex to an entirely unimpressive thing

[desert hornet]

I am very scared of the devs adding AI rex actually, I really hope thats a rumor lol

I already got so stressed about rex players in Legacy and to have unpredictable AI rex? ewww. But also it is a horror game so ig they'd be accomplishing that goal

[limber hull]

ehhh, my reaction is the other

i want rex to be scary and impressive, and I feel AI will make it either pathetic or frustrating

[desert hornet]

I feel it would make it more terrifying, and also irritating. I can handle the insult of being killed by a boar, but an AI rex? Not even a player rex? I would rage quit

[limber hull]

I want rex to actually represent a struggle to actually get to an adult

rex should be unapologetically difficult to grow to adult, so seeing one should be a big deal

[desert hornet]

word

[limber hull]

having an AI that just skips all that and is immediately "big scary rex" removes that impact

[desert hornet]

I more want AI that introduce actual challenge to the AI hunting experience. Or AI that will hunt you, that would be interesting. I'm still on the fence about whether or not the AI that are added should be models that we can play, but if more AI are added I'd actually prefer them to have unique models and animations

[north quiver]

I really want apexes to give other apex species absolutely no nutrients, even from the organs so competition for food is fierce, and multiple apexes of any species is unsustainable

[desert hornet]

More dino model AI regardless tho, feels wierd the only dino AI is compy

ooo I like that

But also Ik a huge faction of the Isle playerbase is here specifically for the Apex V Apex gameplay

[limber hull]

i can agree with that

for example, deer should be WAY faster than they are

they're DEER

[desert hornet]

They should have a kick too. Have you ever seen a deer kick another animal before? its terrifying

[north quiver]

deer boxing..

[desert hornet]

Imma add that in AI feedback right now lol

[normal lotus]

Iirc they're working on stuff like that

[desert hornet]

yessss

I had fun discussing this, until next time

[normal lotus]

@desert girder iirc optimization and ping may be solved with gateway

[limber hull]

@ocean coral what do you mean by "don't do to carno what you did to dryo"

[urban flax]

Making it a herbivore I guess ?

[ocean coral]

no

nerfs

[urban flax]

specify
Every creature in the game has been nerfed at least once at some point

[ocean coral]

dryo the most lol

they nerfed almost everything

hope they dont do the same to carno

cant believe the turn radius with charge is better than normal running

[vernal igloo]

@limber hull @urban flax Tell me what you didn't like about my suggestion?

[urban flax]

Not a fan of the Ikea furniture and the dinos in tubes like it's a Resident Evil game.

[limber hull]

not a fan of the concept of dinos being grown in tubes when we know that's likely not how the lore actually is

[vernal igloo]

I would like them to put the dino fetuses (the ones that went wrong), on a table all open, to see if the organs worked, is that what you want?

[urban flax]

What even is the room supposed to be ? I wouldn't put computers and notebooks in the same room where experiments are being dissected

[vernal igloo]

you must hate this right?

[vernal igloo]

that's why they have the tubes where they monitor the bodies, to see if the DNAs are so right

[urban flax]

I don't think much DNA is involved in the dinosaur creation process in this game

[vernal igloo]

yeah, in your body there was no DNA, right?

[urban flax]

That is not what I mean
The replicator doesn't use dinosaur DNA to make the dinos
We're not sure how it does it anyways

[vernal igloo]

☝️🤓

[urban flax]

Look, you can try to make concept arts for the game all you want, but there's no need to be over-defensive when you receive criticism on it

[vernal igloo]

Tudo bem você não gosta, mas só porque os dinos estão em tupos que não quer dizer que a ideia/sugestão de ter um lugar onde os cientistas faziam suas pesquisas e experiências com os dinos, não estou dizendo que não é para segui como naquele desenho que eu fiz, é só uma sugestão, e pela amor de deus se acalma, o twitter não é o fim do mundo se tiver dinos em tupos calma porra.

[vernal igloo]

Ai meu deus, eu sou uma pessoa depreciva e que não cohece uma piada/brincadeira, porque eu sou triste buabuaaa

[urban flax]

I'm not trying to be rude you know
You posted a feedback, I expressed my opinion on it and I explained to you why

[vernal igloo]

Ok

[limber hull]

thats fine because it works within that universe

it doesnt work in the isle's universe

[astral apex]

I wonder why ceras are not part of carnos diet and omnis are since omnis are a pain in the ass to kill solo rn as a carno

[limber hull]

because carno is supposed to be a small game hunter yet fails in every regard

[vital laurel]

@astral apex just press ctrl

[rare fractal]

In the isle all the dinos are made by this super powerful sentient AI machine called the replicator, using no prior genetic information or material, every dino is an artificially generated species designed to resemble a really animal, some with heavy modifications, some minor. There's no real genetics lab where the dinos are being grown from preexisting genetic material.

[torn apex]

I can't find the bot

Can I get link to page?

[icy lion]

What bot?

[torn apex]

I figured it out. It was the bots to buy dinos. Ty 😁

[barren zephyr]

Wrong server my dude lmao

[quartz mirage]

im done with the server issues fix it or im done

[mossy folio]

this game so busted

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message

I think having various emotes would be nice to make the animals feel more alive

[barren zephyr]

servers are fine

[vital laurel]

Unofficials are better

[vital laurel]

Not officials

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
If you guys have feedback regarding my feedback ( ) or other ideas, I'd be happy to hear them !

[urban flax]

@tidal fjord Any particular reason you don't like my idea, if you don't mind telling me ?

[tidal fjord]

Don't like the anti afk part... I don't want to be forced to move around constantly. Its not realistic or fun.

[urban flax]

Wait you like having a game that encourages you to not touch your keyboard for 10+ minutes ?
Although I see the problem, at times there aren't many interesting things to do... but hopefully we'll have reasons to move at least once every 10 minutes in the future

[tidal fjord]

It's a survival game, not call of duty... if I have the vitals topped up and want to take a quick break or just sit down and chill, I should be able to.

[urban flax]

10 minutes is still a long time
Also it's not like you would be completely unable to sit down, it just makes you easier to find
Exaclty like you said, like it's a survival game or something...

[limber hull]

we need more anti-afk stuff tbh

[tidal fjord]

Not long enough, I don't like players being fed free info too. They should work harder to track.

[urban flax]

But my suggestion isn't free info... it makes it actually require thought to track things since you have to analyze your prey's last movements
ofc if someone is sitting in a bush for long enough that you can have its smell appear right where it's standing it's easy, but at that point they should have chosen a better hiding spot for afking

It's not like you'd be able to detect someone from accross the map either

[vital laurel]

In legacy i could play for 5 Horus if i just had the time but in evrima i get tired and diets get tedoius after a hr or two the loud ass ambient dosent help

[tidal fjord]

A hologram (I think that's how you described it) is certainly free info.

[barren crater]

I feel like the game should make you move more via food / water when growing. The current adult timers should be the pinnacle if anything.

[urban flax]

Well you could also have tracking be made without smelling, just via looking at footprints in the middle of a jungle
But it's a videogame and not everyone playing it is a trapper with 30 years of experience

[tidal fjord]

Carno doesn't get the chance to nest. What they're done with hunger drain is dreadful.

[barren crater]

It 100% can

I've done it multiple times. You need to kill and then nest.

[vital laurel]

Reaching adult should be a window to be able to chill find someone to maybe nest with before starting the elder thingy

[barren crater]

But I do think Carno hunger timer can be bumped up to an hour. The food requirements are fine

[tidal fjord]

Just because it's doable, doesn't mean its reasonable

[barren crater]

Organs are actually making it a bit too easy

The food value on them *

[vital laurel]

Doable≠enjoyable

[tidal fjord]

No, you should be forced to constantly hunt and kill things... because that's "fun".

[vital laurel]

I kinda miss being able to just chill like in legacy even though there was a bit to much time to chill in legacy

[barren crater]

You're overrating how bad it is for Carno. It literally can feed megapacks on a full server

[tidal fjord]

Agreed.

[barren crater]

Legacy was chill because you literally had AI make sounds and spawn around you

[jovial hazel]

There's a thin line between "being able to chill on a carnivore" and "being able to sustain megapacks".

[barren crater]

And that AI was a lot of food

[tidal fjord]

What we get now is brief durations of megapacks wiping the map before starving or logging... didn't change much.

[jovial hazel]

And the only thing that changed was less AI. You actually get so much more food from bodies and organs.

It use to be much easier to sustain the megapacks, too.

[barren crater]

The amount of food a single raptor gives is enough to keep a pair of carnos decently fed.

It fills a solo one, so you can probably get like 50%+ for each

[tidal fjord]

People still megapack... it made it more difficult in the sense once they're done wiping the ecosystem, they have to log or starve. But ofcourse solo dinos struggle even more now. Since the drain is so bad.

[jovial hazel]

Maybe a dynamic food drain is needed, depending on different factors. Just not sure how you would avoid it being abused.

[urban flax]

Maybe devs should have implemented Wavepoole's idea of having food give no nutrients but organs giving a lot of nutrients but very few food, so it's easy to survive on a few kills alone but megapacks will suffer from terrible diets

[jovial hazel]

Like you said, the megapacks are forced to log out or starve. Which is the goal. So it works.

[tidal fjord]

Need a territory system or admin oversight. I haven't heard any other systems that's decent.

[tidal fjord]

After they wipe the map lmao... that's working?

[urban flax]

What would a territory system do in that regard ?

[tidal fjord]

Debuff overpacking in a certain area.

[jovial hazel]

Works better than nothing. What you are suggesting would just leave them free to roam the map indefinitely.

[urban flax]

If megapacks can wipe the map, that's not because megapacking is too easy, that's because the dino they're playing as is OP

[tidal fjord]

Encourage fighting for territory which once again reduces over packing.

[urban flax]

Actually the very reason megapacks form is because one specific dino is overperforming

[barren crater]

Carno moment. Best pack hunter in the g ame

[jovial hazel]

If hunger drain is too much, maybe try playing some herbivore. They don't have that issue.

It kind of is a big part of carnivore survival.

[tidal fjord]

Yeah good one.

[barren crater]

I'd argue that Carno just needs a map that doesn't cater to it 100% lol

Carno also is the fastest, largest and strongest land carnivore, so of course on a small map like right now megapacks would dominate

[jovial hazel]

Here we go.

[barren crater]

You can hit up all the hotspots in minutes

[tidal fjord]

That will always be the case. Once you nerf one, another takes the crown... played enough competitive games to notice the trend.

[urban flax]

Of course something will always be slightly above the others
But I think not having a dino that is both the fastest thing on land and the only thing that can kill a cerato (which is much more OP than carno on other accounts) would already do wonders
Because right now either you play cerato, either you play carno to kill ceras, either you play deino because deino is as stupid as it always was

What megapacks do we see ? Deino, carno, cera
Ptera is the easiest thing to play and to sustain
You could theoretically sustain a group of 90 pteras on a server with no issue
Yet surprisingly, we never saw pteras megapacking

The biggest I've ever found was group of 6-8 pteras at update 3's launch

[tidal fjord]

Maybe because it's a small, pathetic and boring playable?

[urban flax]

That's your opinion

[tidal fjord]

The boring part sure... the rest, not so sure

[urban flax]

But it doesn't invalidate my point : Players play as the things I mentioned because they're overperforming in combat

[urban flax]

I wouldn't call something that can 1v1 a creature 50x its size with no possible counterplay pathetic personnally

[tidal fjord]

No no, that's one of the many factors... and it's not your point since no one argued otherwise.

[urban flax]

It's the main factor

People megapack as the thing that has the most killing potential

[vital laurel]

Only after killing everyone

[urban flax]

Because people can't know better than to kill everything they see

And that's also why you think ptera is boring an dpathetic

[tidal fjord]

Gets clapped by 100kg or more (in some cases, under 100kg)... that's pathetic... barely does any damage too. Its more of a spectator mode.

[urban flax]

If you get clapped by anything as a ptera you have a skill issue
It's the only animal that cannot die unless it wants to, because of the fact it can fly

[tidal fjord]

-_-

Way to miss the point.

[urban flax]

Also ptera does an absurd amount of locked health with it's attack so it's impossible to outheal it, no matter how puny its damage is

[jovial hazel]

The argument is that they need longer food drain. How does that tie in? After they kill everything they have no food so they have to log. Giving them longer before they have to log doesn't help.

[vital laurel]

They need to do less dmg maybe even get a kind of allo style hunting with them being able to start charging from a crouched/ambush position but that could probably be explotied

[tidal fjord]

So that mechanic you described doesn't solve your problem lmao

[urban flax]

I don't see why everyone wants to make carno into a worse allo instead of the unique playable it was initially supposed to be

[normal lotus]

Yea it'd be legacy crouch sprint all over again.

[jovial hazel]

It isn't a solution, but an obvious deterrant. You said yourself they have to log or starve. Giving them longer food drain just makes it where they don't have to log. Making the problem worse.

[tidal fjord]

We never said undoing it would solve it either.

[tidal fjord]

It's not a good solution since they decimate the ecosystem before being forced to log... and what doesn't help is forcing to kill, kill, kill due to the fast drain.

[jovial hazel]

Until they figure out a way to combat megapacks, it seems like the easiest and most impactful solution/bandaid.

[vital laurel]

2 diffent issues one is Mega packing the other is food drain/starving. Starving is probably just sprio and center making it so you are either their eating and fighting till you die or you slowly starve eating scraps and the rare other dino outside of center

[jovial hazel]

Food drain/starving is like it is to help combat megapacking. So same issue really.

[vital laurel]

For non canibals spending to much time with to many of your specis could start giving debuffs and yes it could be explotied by a greifer but then kill the greifer

[vital laurel]

No bc it punishes solo players more

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, tell to the teno being camped by a raptor so it gets debuffs for it's buddies to kill it.

How does the teno just "kill the griefer".

[tidal fjord]

+1

[jovial hazel]

Teno is just a placeholder. Any slower dino can't just kill the one giving it debuffs.

[vital laurel]

No im saying this as a in species Mega packing soultion

[jovial hazel]

And I'm saying why that is a bad idea.

[vital laurel]

Ohh you mean mix Packers can exploit it

[tidal fjord]

Mix packing and overpacking are two separate issues... overpacking can be solved by a territory system. Mix packing is alot more difficult.

[jovial hazel]

So now a raptor doesn't even have to fight you on your carno. Just stay around you and avoid you and you will starve to death.

Same with carno vs carno.

Proximity based debuffs are a horrible idea.

In any scenario.

[vital laurel]

Unless the devs find a way to fix mega and mix packing officals will die and community servers with population rules will take over

[tidal fjord]

Not true... if the map is split up into zones and each zone can belong to one pack, then the proximity debuffs can't really be missuesd.

[jovial hazel]

Oh that's not abusable. So now the big "Clans" control the maps.

Big group or lose gameplay sounds thrilling.

[limber hull]

it literally has the highest amount of damage to weight ratio in the entire game

[tidal fjord]

Not if you own the territory first since you won't be the one to get the debuffs.

[jovial hazel]

HOw does that help solo players?

[limber hull]

in all reality, ptera does insane damage

[limber hull]

making carno more of an ambusher doesn't really do much of anything except make it more horrid on gateway

[tidal fjord]

Only because it has very little weight lmao

[limber hull]

because it's a goddamn bird

it flies, implying low weight to area ratio, that's literally how flight works in nature

[tidal fjord]

So wtf was your point?

[vital laurel]

I feel like it would be better to make it ambush and very low dmg on charge than having its charge near damn 2 shot a cera

[limber hull]

it does good damage for its size?

[limber hull]

i'd rather it not ambush and do very low damage

[vital laurel]

It dosent which is a issue

[limber hull]

like, the ambush carno sucks

[tidal fjord]

Was that something I argued against?

[limber hull]

you said it was pathetic, which is all kinds of wrong since it's the best goliath slayer in the game

(if you're good with it)

[tidal fjord]

Lmao... OK.

[tidal fjord]

Everytime I log in as Carno, I fear for my life from the overpacking tera birds.

[limber hull]

probably not since ptera takes a lot of effort to kill things

lots of boring time

if a ptera flock wanted you dead, they could make you dead

[tidal fjord]

I'm convinced your a troll.

[limber hull]

Sure

[urban flax]

ptera ain't a bird mate 🤓 ☝️

[limber hull]

I will shred you

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-back-in-gif-12371256

[limber hull]

lmao

I love how "disagreement = troll"

Good mindset honestly, very healthy

[desert arch]

Dinos that cant jump are completely defenseless against ptera, if youre patient enough you can even kill a stego

[limber hull]

I've watched it happen

It's... honestly quite sad

[urban flax]

^ Deino is the only thing that can survive a dedicated ptera

[limber hull]

Both because the ptera wasted like an hour of its life and the stego couldn't do jack

[urban flax]

Oh maybe cera can too, with the flat damage reduction

[jovial hazel]

Nah, cera dies too. 😂

[desert arch]

Log out

[vital laurel]

Well carno needs to be changed for dilo and dibble. Dibble can probably fend it of but one lucky charge and a dilo is minced and as it wont be as mobile as a omni it will fair even worse

[jovial hazel]

I'm not sure how that damage reduction works, but it still takes good damage from ptera.

[desert arch]

2600hp is still nothing for a ptera

[urban flax]

How tf does it take no damage from omni but takes damage from ptera ?

[limber hull]

Carno needs less charge damage, faster trot and better stam on both sprinting and charging and it might actually be a decent animal

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, I'm not sure how it works.. Or how it's supposed to.

[limber hull]

Okay, cera education time

Body buff = 50% damage reduction. You still take damage from the ptera, just less
Eating damage resist = hard damage reduction. Technically, eating a corpse makes you impossible to damage by a ptera, but if that corpse runs out, you no longer have that defence

[vital laurel]

Faster trot and more stam?

[limber hull]

yea

[jovial hazel]

They are supposed to have flat damage reduction to smaller creatures, though.

[limber hull]

to actually help it be a plains/pursuit predator and not a garbage ambush predator

[vital laurel]

That feels like a lot

[limber hull]

I want the charge damage reduced from 350 to 200-250

Much lower

[urban flax]

Oh it's only when eating
ok
Cera has such weird conditions for triggering even more bonus armor...

[vital laurel]

Under 200 imo if its supposed to be small game it and be able to run them down

[limber hull]

Nah, that'd be far too low

Unnecessarily so

200 isn't a mighty amount when compared to 350

It'd be a massive hit to its cera smackdown ability

[vital laurel]

Yeah but if it does 200 and out runs cera in the long run a dedicated carno would still smack a cera

[tidal fjord]

I feel like for creatures under 1ton, the ram should work as is... but anything over (upto its current limit) it should only stun/knock them over if the ram connects cleanly from the side (instead of head on/from tail to back).

[limber hull]

Not under a ton, under 50% of carno's total weight

[vital laurel]

It should still knock from the back

[limber hull]

Don't put direction into it, that's an entire bag of worms

[tidal fjord]

I don't like that.

[limber hull]

Same

Ambush carno should just die

[tidal fjord]

You mean skill?

[limber hull]

What

From a programming standpoint that just makes the ability inconsistent and more likely to just explode

IDK what skill has to do with literally anything

[vital laurel]

He means that carno should take skill atlest for now when its so big

[urban flax]

Isn't pounce directional down ? Ah no, they removed that

[limber hull]

Carno should just not knock over anything greater than 50% its own weight tbh (900kg for a full adult)

[vital laurel]

Tru

[tidal fjord]

It's entirely doable... simple maths lmao

[limber hull]

No?

[vital laurel]

On paper yeah

[limber hull]

Have you like, ever actually worked on a game lol

[urban flax]

vector maths*
Same thing, but more complicated

[tidal fjord]

In 3rd year game dev at uni... so yeah

[limber hull]

And vector maths + networking + accounting for model rotation

Also it's just unnecessary

[vital laurel]

But have you seen Amaroks dev streams? The ai is great but the second it plops on a server it works like chimpans playing it

[limber hull]

Same, except I've also been Lead Game Designer for a well-known multiplayer game

[limber hull]

AI is just... Bleh, I hate it for this game

[urban flax]

(Islandia Survival)

[limber hull]

Nuh uh

[tidal fjord]

Must not be a very good one if you find side on to front on collision detection tricky.

[limber hull]

I love how personal you get for no reason

Really helps your argument when you start throwing out the baseless insults

[tidal fjord]

I remember you bringing up merit... not me

[limber hull]

I never insulted you, wow

[vital laurel]

Now that would make it flee at the sight of a cera

[limber hull]

Almost like that's unnecessary when talking about dinosaur game

[limber hull]

Not really, no, if it can still stun it and still has the weight advantage

[tidal fjord]

Wasn't an insult... but you can play the victim game.

[limber hull]

"You're not very good at what you do" must've been a compliment then

lmao

[tidal fjord]

Is that what I said?

[limber hull]

Yes

[tidal fjord]

Someone can't read.

[limber hull]

????

You literally quoted yourself saying it

[tidal fjord]

You don't see the "IF"

[vital laurel]

Lets keep it to the subject... Before a mod comes in here and starts bonking you

[limber hull]

Back to the actual point

[urban flax]

ty

[limber hull]

Carno doesn't need direction to influence knockdown

It's unnecesssary for the animal

[valid brook]

Lets the drop the argument part, If we cant keep all chat polite and respectful, we should take it elsewhere

[limber hull]

(it also encourages lame-ass ambush carno)

Yea, 100%

Like how rex is said to be a "bloodhound"

[urban flax]

Yeah I mentioned that in the last part of my feedback
Like some animals being able to smell markers from further away, or seeing the "ghosts" for longer

[vital laurel]

As long as it does less dmg and cant knock down everything it wants and actually needs to think and not click rmb once or twice and then have a free meal

[limber hull]

Or scent markers linger for longer

[limber hull]

Yea. Carno needs plentiful buffs, but the charge nerf is 100% needed

[urban flax]

Now I didn't think of that

Might not be very useful tho, the longer a marker has been existing, the less useful it is

[limber hull]

It's sad when a guy named "Johnny" in Texas Chainsaw Massacre has a better tracking system than the dinosaurs in this game

[urban flax]

It's useful to smell a marker that is 30 seconds old because the animal will be close by
But if a merker is 5 minutes old, the animal could be anywhere

In my idea it does exactly what the prey did

So if it ran in circles before choosing a direction it's gonna show it running in circles

[vital laurel]

It would kinda need a food buff if its going to focus on small gaim, maybe give it paranaio as gali has in forests and id like to see paranaio actualy do smt else than sounds

[limber hull]

Oh it DEF needs a food buff

I forgot to mention, but you're 100% right

I'd either make it starve slower OR make it the inverse of cera, smaller food fills it up faster

So it eats a pachy and gets a considerably full stomach from that, for instance

[urban flax]

Exactly
But smart prey has also a possible interaction in that in being able to fool a predator

I was thinking those could just be part of the scent markers thing
Like, since you can't leave footprints when sitting, visually it'll be feces instead

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr good news, nesting will have considerable overlap with mutations

a nested animal will have more access to mutations than a non-nested animal

i hope the parents also gain some kind of benefit, like perhaps elder stuff

so you're encouraged to hatch and encouraged to nest

[vital laurel]

Is elders under development atm?

[limber hull]

i believe so? i dont think it's high priority though

i personally hope mutations dont overlap with stats

like, no "big bite force" mutation, because that'd be LAAAAME

ehhh

more stam is already REALLY annoying with the diet system

like it's just kinda outright unfair at times

[barren zephyr]

@urban flax sniffa markers would further increase CPU load, significantly

[ivory sierra]

Hi there, I new here, I’ve a question this issue with the ping is this a new problem?

[desert arch]

Its fairly new, around 3 weeks old, epic's servers are pretty whack, but the issue is being investigated and is hopefully solved soon!

[ivory sierra]

Thank you so much for the answer.

[desert arch]

np!

[urban flax]

Actually it would reduce it since there would be less things to smell

It's only one marker every few dozen meters instead of tens of footprints for every dino that walks anywhere

[limber hull]

we already have the replay system

[barren zephyr]

Not sure footprints have a noticeable impact on CPU load right now, your idea makes it sound like new markers would act more like corpses

[urban flax]

Not at all ? What makes corpses CPU-heavy is the physics

[limber hull]

a pre-renderred recording significantly reduces load

unless you're applying physics to the recording for some reason

[urban flax]

If you want to find a weak point to my suggestion when it comes to performance, it'd rather be about the "ghost" shader that would be needed to be made
That kind of shader, depending on how it's made, could be quite performance-heavy, especially if the devs want to make it look good

[limber hull]

if it's purely a client-sided recording, it'd also do nothing to harm server-side performance

its honestly more of a point of how it's actually coded

[barren zephyr]

if I wanted to just find a weak point I would have said it's a stupid idea, adding fixed objects (markers) to the map is not optimal (depending on how long they last)

[urban flax]

No that'd just be shutting it down for the sake of it

[south sable]

@midnight stirrup This being dependent on weight rather than growth stage would be better

[midnight stirrup]

That could work too, either way

[south sable]

It being dependent on growth stage would mean juvi utahs cant hunt things like adult dryos by themselves

[midnight stirrup]

Weight dependant would be better then

[barren crater]

I agree on the weight thing. Baby raptors dealing bleed has always annoyed me

On stuff like teno & carno

[barren zephyr]

if a rat bit you irl you would bleed

[barren crater]

Should just be something that deals no bleed / you can insta buck them off

[barren zephyr]

maybe separate bleed into 3 different bars depending on who attacked you

[barren crater]

ok and

Didn't realise a Carno & Teno are humans

[jovial hazel]

I feel like they did make it where you didn't bleed from small raptor pounces if you were larger. No idea the threshholds. Maybe they changed it back?

[barren crater]

They still apply bleed. Was in a fight against raptors recently and babies kept coming back

Almost killed me the rats

[barren zephyr]

tbh, it's fair that baby can end a large creature who is already wounded

[barren crater]

They're pests with nothing to lose. They just keep bleed up and stop you from healing. There's no need for them to do that.

[barren zephyr]

run away

[midnight stirrup]

Edited it

[barren crater]

classic post from you

[midnight stirrup]

Also solved the compromise for what happens if something like Utahs weight threshold for bleed doesn’t meet up with something like an adult stegosaurus’s weight

I don’t want adult Utahs to be too light in terms of weight to be able to bleed a Stego or trike, so as an adult you can just apply bleed to anything

[limber hull]

idk what you expected lol

[barren zephyr]

survival game, your own fault for getting max stack bleed in the first place, now accept the void

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, no idea why people still respond to the troll.

[midnight stirrup]

the core of the problem is being bled out by something you realistically shouldn’t be bled out by and your solution is to bleed out further

nice

[limber hull]

bleed stacks aren't even a thing anymore lol

[barren crater]

Still surprised they're here when they don't argue in good faith and post troll feedbacks

[jovial hazel]

I guess technically they don't break any rules.

[barren crater]

I've seen people removed for less, but that's also true

[barren zephyr]

I don't know how that stuff is coded, I go by what I see on screen

[barren zephyr]

I am trusting you with my opinion, no troll, no senseless arguing

Just because you disagree doesn't make me the bad guy

[limber hull]

aren't you the one disagreeing with him lol

also "run away" doesn't really... work when juvi omniraptor has insanely high stamina and speed

[midnight stirrup]

no but this is also the one person who would rather have more nighttime over daytime so

[limber hull]

i mean, i like nighttime too

[midnight stirrup]

I like nighttime

Just not as long as it is right now

[barren crater]

Same

[limber hull]

i want day longer, not night shorter

[barren crater]

Also same

[barren zephyr]

step on them like bugs, but yeah, some situations aren't supposed to be escapable, survival game

[barren zephyr]

I agree

[limber hull]

a juvi omni should not be a significant threat to anything larger than a dryo

[barren crater]

I don't like the look of night. It's ugly and also makes the game a bit too easy.

Need variation in the nights as well

[urban flax]

If some situations aren't escapable that's the opposite of a survival game

[midnight stirrup]

#general-feedback message

272 upvotes

[limber hull]

i also just want other versions of night vision back

[midnight stirrup]

Same

[urban flax]

I was wondering tho, I really don't like the idea of some animals not receiving bleed because they are "too big" I don't think anything should ignore damage, just like that, unless it has armor.
But what if bucking dealt a tiny amount of damage to the attacker (possibly more depending on the species), so juvie omnis who pounce a FG teno or stego just... die ?

[midnight stirrup]

The current one we have is ludicrously boring, I’d prefer a bit more color in the mix

[midnight stirrup]

I edited the suggestion around weight rather than growth, since that was dumb

As ghost pointed out, if it was around growth that’d mean that Juvi Utahs couldn’t bleed out Dryos.

[barren zephyr]

it should be a threat to a severely wounded creature

[urban flax]

It's better, but wether it's growth, weight, or even nose length, I don't like the idea of some creatures being immune to damage or bleed, "because they are too big". Being attacked hurts. Now the fact juvie omnis can bleed out FG tenos (and bigger) is a problem and it should be fixed, but I don't like this way of fixing it.

[jovial hazel]

It would be like the difference of a kitten latching onto you and a full grown cat. One would leave scratches and one would probably open the skin. No?

[midnight stirrup]

Fair enough, I’m just proposing an idea

TIs systems of basing almost everything around weight make it pretty complicated to try anything else regardless

[urban flax]

you don't say

[jovial hazel]

I'm just stating the obvious that you seem to not like... why not?

[urban flax]

Well as a matter of fact, kittens can inflict serious wounds
But most of the time they're not trying to kill you so they don't

[jovial hazel]

It is the simplest and most realistic way to fix it.

[barren zephyr]

why put bleed in the game if you don't want smaller creatures hunting bigger ones?

[midnight stirrup]

not exactly what I said

[urban flax]

[midnight stirrup]

maybe it’ll become less of an issue whenever they decide to add trample damage, that way you can just step on your little bleeding problems

[barren zephyr]

that would be the best "fix" to this "problem"

[midnight stirrup]

assuming your fast enough, or have enough stam from the fight prior, or aren’t already on low enough bleed that you’d die if you dared to attack a juvi utah (terrifying adversary)

fresh spawn utah vs full grown tenontosaurus

[urban flax]

This is a fight the tenontosaurus obviously cannot win, since it's a herbivore and, you see, utah is a carnivore

[midnight stirrup]

But your honor, the full grown tenontosaurus was on 30% bleed, of course it’s realistic the pack that just lost prior will launch 18 juvi Utahs in rapid succession to continue to hunt the tenonto, because they’re carnivores

[urban flax]

Just like how it happens in nature

[midnight stirrup]

yeah I remember all the times that a non-mortally wounded zebra was killed by a lion cub

[urban flax]

I see it happen in my backyard almost every day

[limber hull]

Nature is beautiful

[barren zephyr]

if you are non-mortally wounded you wont die to small raptors (who are independent hunters unlike lion cubs) 🙂

[midnight stirrup]

A juvenile Omniraptor would not be out and about on its own realistically

and a tenonto on 30% bleed is not at deaths door, but it will be because of juvenile utah spam

[barren zephyr]

it could, it is capable of hunting alone

[midnight stirrup]

Insects maybe

a full grown tenontosaurus? Not happening

[barren zephyr]

It all comes down to humans piloting animals, forcing them to do something unrealistic

[midnight stirrup]

Exactly, so I don’t know why you’re comparing this to real life

[barren zephyr]

because I would want this game to be as accurate as possible

[midnight stirrup]

and exactly why the limitations I suggested will be provided one way or another, for x mechanic or y mechanic

[barren zephyr]

unfortunately very few are willing to "roleplay"

[midnight stirrup]

Then why are you saying that a juvi utah should be able to take down a tenontosaurus at 30% bleed?

Realistically, that wouldn’t even happen at 10% bleed.

[barren zephyr]

so devs have to implement limitations to balance the game

[barren zephyr]

realistically a baby rapter wouldn't attack a large creature like that

but if bleed was accurate to irl then a baby could finish the job (it wouldn't but it could)

[midnight stirrup]

Exactly. It’s unrealistic and also a nuisance in terms of gameplay that a juvenile utahraptor would be able to kill something of that caliber, even if right after a fight with something else.

[midnight stirrup]

Also unlikely, since juvenile animals aren’t fully developed, don’t know how to properly hunt, probably wouldn’t even break through skin, and wouldn’t do much other than get itself killed

[barren zephyr]

reptiles are a bit different from mammals

[midnight stirrup]

Which further backs up my argument, since now you deal with scales rather than fur

This is delving further and further into real life, so I’m just going to leave it at that since this is going nowhere

[barren zephyr]

I have many many lizards in my yard, all baby ones are solo

they hunt solo

[urban flax]

lizards hunt bugs

not dinosaurs

[midnight stirrup]

Yes, but they hunt insects, and even then they aren’t able to hunt all of them. They have to grow larger to eat larger insects. Usually anoles have the same diet for their whole lives, consisting of the same small, tiny insects

[barren zephyr]

a small rapter could finish off a wounded creature that has lost a lot of blood

[midnight stirrup]

Unlikely, I’ve already explained why

[barren zephyr]

that's your opinion

[midnight stirrup]

It’s based off fact, after all, you said you wanted the game to be as accurate as possible

[barren zephyr]

you never linked any sources, don't claim it's based on facts

[urban flax]

lol
"lizards eat bugs"
"Source ?"
This is really peak islecord

My opinion is that water is wet and fire burns

[barren zephyr]

Good effort but you missed the mark

[midnight stirrup]

I don’t need sources, I provided actual reasoning and evidence, while the most you’ve provided me is that “the lizards in my backyard eat insects so a baby utah could solo a teno at 30% blood pool”

[barren zephyr]

fire does not burn tho

do you know what fire is?

[midnight stirrup]

[barren zephyr]

I also provided reasoning, you chose to disagree with it, just as I disagree with yours

[midnight stirrup]

Your reasoning was nonsensical, and just would not happen

The most you’ve provided me is that a baby utah could realistically take down a fully grown tenontosaurus at a decently low blood pool

and that there’s lizards in your backyard

[barren zephyr]

that's your opinion, you can't claim I am wrong

[barren zephyr]

that's what we were talking about?

[urban flax]

realistically baby omni could do nothing since it never existed

[midnight stirrup]

Also untrue, I can very much claim that you’re wrong, especially if the evidence you provided me is nonsensical and unrealistic

[barren zephyr]

it was an example meant to illustrate how independent reptiles are even when not adults

[midnight stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119849454556684319/1120773529147801621/togif-2.gif

[urban flax]

y'know, dinosaurs, especially raptors, are more closely related to birds than to reptiles...

[barren zephyr]

no u, the stuff u typed, I feel the same way about it

[midnight stirrup]

Reptiles aren’t 1-1 with dinosaurs. There’s much fossil evidence to suggest that unlike most lizards, dinosaurs stuck with their hatchlings rather than left them for nature day 1.

[barren zephyr]

birds evolved from reptiles?

[midnight stirrup]

And?

[inland moss]

Actually birds are dinosaurs, and cladistically birds are reptiles

[urban flax]

Look fishes lay thousands of eggs so since mammals are evolved from fish then it means mammals lay thousands of eggs too

[inland moss]

By that argument a platypus isn’t a mammal because it lays eggs…

[midnight stirrup]

Exactly why it’s nonsensical

[barren zephyr]

I love how you start trolling because that's the only thing you can think of

[inland moss]

And a hissing cockroach isn’t a insect cause it is vivipaurus…

[limber hull]

pot calls kettle black

[urban flax]

I'm only starting to troll, while you've been doing it from the beginning
I say it's fair

[barren zephyr]

I don't troll tho, idk why you think I do

[midnight stirrup]

it’s the only thing we can think of because your arguments are about as “troll” worthy

They’re nonsensical, and almost a bit concerning

[urban flax]

You're not fooling anyone

[barren zephyr]

maybe my english is bad and I can't make you understand my point of view

[limber hull]

you literally find every single way to actively argue and disagree with everyone on the server

[barren zephyr]

most people are wrong tho

[limber hull]

and you're only helping my point

[midnight stirrup]

anyways I’m going to go play deep rock galactic

[barren zephyr]

super hard to interact with others because I assume they have the same understanding of the world as I

[barren zephyr]

war thunder is pretty good

[limber hull]

you literally unironically call yourself a god, it really doesn't get that much trollier

[barren crater]

Man is a straight up diogenes or whatever his name was alt

[barren zephyr]

it's not illegal to claim that role, you can also do it

[limber hull]

i know, i often do with friends as a joke, not unironically in a dinosaur chat to make your point sound more legit lol

[barren zephyr]

it doesn't matter who I claim to be, nobody agrees with me

[normal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/tfs-team-four-star-dragon-ball-abridged-anime-do-you-believe-your-own-hype-that-much-gif-17891520

[civic peak]

@strange quiver I agree, a really nice idea.

[barren zephyr]

how do i type in global chat ingame

[desert arch]

There is no global chat in evrima

[limber hull]

in EVRIMA, you don't. In legacy, press tab I think

[barren zephyr]

why do servers start to lag so much when alot of players join it, really makes it unplayable (evrima)

[desert arch]

Epic's servers are pretty broken, but the issue is being investigated and is hopefully fixed soon. I recommend trying an unofficial server like asura, its a no rules server with pretty high pop

[barren zephyr]

with less lag?

[desert arch]

Yep!

[barren zephyr]

how do i connect to those

[desert arch]

Select unofficial servers, click refresh, type in "Asura" into the searchbar, you should see 3 asura servers

[barren zephyr]

eu na and asia servers?

[desert arch]

All eu

[barren zephyr]

ah

theres only 17 players total

thought there would be more

nvm 2 players*

[desert arch]

On all of asura servers?

[barren zephyr]

i can only find 1 and its asura 3

[desert arch]

Asura 3 is fairly new

Asura 1 and 2 are filled tho

Keep refreshing until you find them

[barren zephyr]

ok

[desert arch]

Or exit the server browser and try again

[barren zephyr]

but doesnt the search disappear when refreshing?

[barren zephyr]

nvm

[barren zephyr]

found it, thanks

[desert arch]

Np

[barren zephyr]

what do i do if i get stuck in asura?

[pseudo copper]

You'll want to check their discord then - have a look in #unofficial-isle-communities. We can't help you here if you are stuck on a community server.

[barren zephyr]

alright thanks

[ivory sierra]

When the situation returns to normal, please let us know, I will come back on official server, I like them.

[normal lotus]

@sullen olive I much prefer they keep it that way. That albatross takeoff was and is so weird.

[north quiver]

so.. keep it broken and no longer working so ptera has to stand still to take off (basically a free kill for any land carnivore) and also so the flapping while running animation that wastes stamina is useless…?

[agile roost]

@atomic ferry i have this issue too

Only when I'm using headphones though, I use speakers most of the time.

[vital laurel]

Are you sure the headset is stereo? And not mono

[agile roost]

Ye

[atomic ferry]

Good to know i'm not the only one. xd

[limber hull]

my audio seems fine most of the time, that's weird

[agile roost]

Yeah

[vital laurel]

Are you sure ur not just ur audio device being weird bc in legacy it was very easy to find the direction. Plus its not to be super straight forward to pin point sound, imo it should be a bit hard to find where a sound came from but evrima aduio needs some work

[barren crater]

Legacy sound direction was very good

[atomic ferry]

Maybe it's just my pc/headset that's acting up. Is there any way to check
if my have (surround sound)?

[vital laurel]

I know there is one Ive just forgotten but Google should show you how to check if its mono or stereo

[atomic ferry]

Alright.

[urban flax]

@visual hedge I thought pachy's stun was removed ?
Are you asking to remove its ability to knockdown so it's even more helpless ?

[south sable]

Probably some omni player malding

[urban flax]

Hmmm
A 2sec 30% slow isn't strong even in a MOBA that is super fast-paced...
In The Isle it's absolutely useless

[ivory sierra]

Hi there 🦖,

Have you thought about finding a solution to move the community to other parts of the map? Some kind of rotation. It'll be great to exploit the map.

And I was wondering, in private server, would it be possible to remove the night vision option? I'd love to try it without, with a night, dawn and dusk duration setting of course. I come from hardcore DayZ servers and this night vision mechanic seems so banal for an immersion game

[limber hull]

migrations are planned to do exactly that

(that and the existence of Gateway)

[ivory sierra]

Ooooh

[limber hull]

migrations basically are herbivores moving around the map to obtain specific foods

and i mean really going on long journeys

but once you reach the migration spot, you can settle down, nest and vibe

(that is, until the carnivores come around)

[ivory sierra]

Yes, but…

[limber hull]

i know what you mean, and no, it's not like current diets

[ivory sierra]

Ok ok

[limber hull]

it's not moving in a big triangle

[north quiver]

@manic elm there is a visual for hunger but it’s easy to miss if you’re not looking for it. I think it’s just a change in the skin and not the model itself, but a full stomach will make your playable look less wrinkled. anything below 80 or so will appear wrinkled I think (probably not exactly 80 but just a guess)

definitely would be cool if they expanded on it

[ivory sierra]

You mean there's a more complex project with the gateway?

[normal lotus]

Gateway is quite large and when launched won't have migration. But can have several areas of the biome where you'd get the diets

[ivory sierra]

Ok ok

[limber hull]

that is migrations, yea

[ivory sierra]

Ok ok, but (adults) carnivores has to stay where are carnivores for now, if they don’t want to starve to death, right?

[limber hull]

i mean... they have to follow the herbivores

also Gateway is nothing like the current map, carnivores will likely be all over

also each herbivore will have a unique migration path, meaning its unlikely to see tons of different species in one spot

[ivory sierra]

Ok ok interesting, I'm in love with this game, I’m going to put my small streamer bags here for a long time.

[normal lotus]

It'll be worth it. Do note that things tend to be slow or it feels like it between updates. With how the development works now it should be more efficient

[ivory sierra]

[normal lotus]

Just a sneak peak of what's to come from December. Gateway has changed a lot since then. Went over to UE5

[limber hull]

also likely got a LOT of changes to the map layout itself

[ivory sierra]

OMG

If you/they don't want make a DLC, maybe some player would be agree to pay through steam to support the project without compensation.

[limber hull]

they wouldn't like that

they're very against stuff like donations

or unnecessary paid DLC

[manic elm]

Woah I didnt know there was already a slight difference!!

[slim quail]

I Think it fitt with the game because its not a so big Predator its perfect in my opinion

[urban flax]

Indoraptor doesn't fit the game it's a monster created by the JW franchise
I don't even think Afterthought can legally use it

Except troodon and omniraptor

The Isle makes up their own monsters, I see no reason for them to reuse the ones from other franchise when they have actually good designs

[limber hull]

and every strain

[urban flax]

It's more a dubious taxon, troodon existed but wasn't named troodon
Omniraptor on the other hand is entirely fictional

[limber hull]

oh, and the eyeless, and generation 1

[slim quail]

yeah true

[limber hull]

and the echidna, the colossus, the matriach

the reaper if that's getting in

[urban flax]

and Ben

[limber hull]

honestly besides all of those things, we have nothing like indoraptor

but all of that aside indoraptor is kinda lame

like omniraptor essentially already is that

[lyric pollen]

💀

[ivory sierra]

@icy lion but it’s a request and not a feedback

[icy lion]

#general-feedback is also for suggestions. #phase-three-requests is for sharing ideas for #isle-phase-three

[ebon oyster]

why some of y'all don't want a bug fixed is beyond me... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[desert arch]

Last time the devs worked on legacy they gave anky bonebreak, it somehow broke the ai. Legacy's code is such a mess that touching it in any way may lead to it becoming completely unplayable.

Also most people probably want the devs to work on EVRIMA, instead of potentially breaking legacy. :p

[ebon oyster]

understandable but the issue is rly hurting some servers' playerbase, i just wish they would at least try, the issue isn't with the ingame stuff its with the mass amount of chinese fake servers, which i call fake cause even tho it looks like a bunch of players r on but there isn't

[desert arch]

They could, but the damage it may cause would probably be irreversible, maybe killing legacy completely, they probably dont want to take the risk.

[ebon oyster]

hmhmm now I'm not into code or anything but taking down servers or limiting certain ones doesn't seem like it would cause any damage to the game, but what the heck we all know the devs ain't gonna do anything anyways, as i like to view it: Evrima is the fav child xd and poor legacy is the neglected eldest child

[gilded crane]

I just bought this game. I play using geforce now.

I cannot find any server and hosting my own is just a black screen. Before I refund it....

Any suggestions???

I've tried windowed mode and windowed fullscreen.

I enabled family sharing mode to force steam menu so I can switch to evrima and got an error code launching the game from geforce that way.

Any ideas???

[desert arch]

Eliminating the chinese servers would probably be impossible, cracked servers can just use a new ip and pop back up :/

[ebon oyster]

true but I wish they would just try, from what I've heard something like this happened in the past and they fixed it

[desert arch]

Geforce doesnt support beta brances, sadly EVRIMA is still a beta branch, so you cant play it with geforce :/
It will soon become the main branch though!

[gilded crane]

Soon?

[desert arch]

Presumably next update, its not confirmed though

But you can still play the other version (legacy)

At least you should be able to

[gilded crane]

I'll be back then.... maybe

I think if this game wants to succeed they need to update it so its playable for people from other platforms and make the whatever version the default. By all means launch a PTB but make its progress not save once the update becomes standard.

It seems like 1 big headache and I had the game not even half an hour

[slim carbon]

Hey so like with the current diet system. As most Dinos, it’s almost impossible to get a full diet of one type; 3 lines, or 3 dots, or 3 S. I feel like a fix around is for the food to fill up like-diets, but slower say if you only had one type.

[south oar]

Did you switch to the Evrima branch before trying the game? Legacy servers (the old/original branch which is getting thrown away once Evrima is fully ready take absolute ages to load servers)

[gilded crane]

Yes... and geforce now closed the app when I did@south oar

[south oar]

So it was in the Evrima branch that you were having issues with the black screen correct?

Have you tried deleting your config folder? The black screen thing is a well known bug the devs are working on fixing.