general-feedback-discussion

[sick crescent]

Tenonto and Pachy have suffered the most from the alt attack change, for the worse. Not to mention Tenonto got a rather unnecessary nerf and Pachy… we don’t talk about the current state of Pachy.

[sage river]

i get it for the 180 degree turning around and biting, but for the lunge attack on raptor and troo it just feels like a useless part of their kit at this point

[barren zephyr]

Only thing bad is ceratos dominating pachy rn

[sick crescent]

Pachy at least isn’t as bad as Carno right now, which thankfully isn’t Update 1 Tenonto type of unviable but is still horrible

Carno was good before only because of a bugged hitbox, and Pachy before sucked but was saved by its stagger(which it needed to be removed) that was removed.

[barren zephyr]

Tenonto can fairly survive now. What are you talking about teno? Carno is fairly nerfed and buffed. Pachy needs a defense and escape for ceratos and itd be fine

[sick crescent]

Tenonto is more balanced than not right now yes, but Pachy is a little… wonky

With the alt attack changes, they both got major indirect nerfs, though

Carno before was already fine besides its bugged hitbox, and now it’s so bad solo an Omni can 1v1 it

Pachys ram is infamously unreliable

[cyan flame]

But there is no risk you can not control? You have the same amount of control when you pounce, as when you dismount? You can control the dismount pounce. You have ways to look and "aim" your dismount, same as you can "aim" you pounce (not that you seemingly need to, as your vid showed). What are you asking for then? To be impossible to hit between letting go and landing? Why is that fine when you're not impossible to hit between starting a pounce and latching on? It's the same situation, no? You can get hit while in the air, be it while pouncing, or dismounting. You have the same control, more or less, on when to pounce, or when to dismount (aside from eventually falling off, because free ride for eternity would be weird), bucking only speeds up the time until you fall off, but you still have some option, especially now that bucking is nerfed again.

[sick crescent]

Both Carno and Tenonto got unnecessary nerfs

Pachys last saving grace from being a bad playable was removed this update too, and now it ALSO performs even worse due to the alt attack change that causes a delay

Pachy and Carno need buffs
Carno definitely needs more stamina and slightly better agility when being slow
Pachy is hard to say but its ram has to be changed so it’s more reliable to use and maybe more damage

Tenonto can have its nerfs reverted, they were unnecessary to begin with, and maybe more runtime

[chrome violet]

Was the random disconnects from client after the patch fixed? It was unplayable last night.

[faint folio]

I'm not sure if I'm missing something due to maybe translation (is your native language something other than English? I know the isle is a worldwide community and sometimes translators like Google translate don't do a great job with keeping the details of an idea you want to express), but I'm getting basically the same thing out of it as Erik is.

There's some risk control over when you choose to dismount, and also what direction you dismount in. The reason stego/Omni combat in particular suffers worse than say, carno/Omni combat is that the stego tail attacks are designed to protect/hit in the flank area, so it's a lot harder to get a clean dismount without group members helping to distract the stego. But then again, stego are so big and well protected (and so long to grow compared to Omni), an Omni probably shouldn't be soloing a stego in the first place-- the risk control in this case is to decide to not engage with the stego.

Against other playables (teno, galli, carno) Omni fares much better, because they don't have attacks that primarily protect their sides -- they have to turn to bite or kick a dismounting Omni. It should be noted that a core design principle of the isle is that it is not a combat game-- not all matchups are designed to be "fair" in the sense that any playable can 1v1 another playable and have a 50% chance of winning. In some matchups, the way you get the 50% chance of winning is to have a full group, or to withdraw (assuming we define winning as not dying)

In the case of Omni vs stego, it is the kind of balance where Omni wins by leaving, or by having a pack full of friends to help. Just like troodon

Whereas against other animals more similar in grow time (like galli, pachy, etc) the odds of a solo Omni getting 50% chance of winning a fight is much better

[mint sonnet]

Yeah I know about that one! Hopefully that'll make the gameplay loop a little more interesting, but even then- Everything before adult stage is still a boring waiting game, and the main thing ppl do in this game once they reach adult is just PvP eachother - cause there's nothing else to do.

Basically this game lacks balance, not between playables, I mean survival balance, if that makes sense. Devs say this game isnt a PvP but theres nothing else to do in the game thats fun except for PvP 😔

[small anchor]

But troodon cant performance well against stego because we enter the same loop. They can get attacked when they are pouncing-off and this is not happening just with stego, happen with everything with teno does, with pachy, with deino.
You cant get off it safely without being hit, by that, why do we have to use the ability these dinos offer if we will end dieing because of an animation that is made like that and u cant change it.?
@cyan flame @faint folio
Also ice yes, main language is spanish but i tried to spell it the most understandable i can

Id say to make it launch-off-prey a bit more far, to dont make them die bc of an animation, and istead, making them just die if they do mistake by:

• bad pouncing (f.e pouncing the head)
• bad timing (pouncing when the prey was landing an attack, bite/tail swing/tail slam)

[wicked plume]

doesnt everything

[small anchor]

u cant determine if i mistake or not when i Pounce off my prey, because its an animation that i dont determine.
I can just determine HOW i pounce, so make the preys able to get the troos/omnis in that situation and not in a situation that doesnt depends of them

do u understand a bit of the point of my sugg now, @cyan flame ?

idk if i can explain it more to you, how much you want me to.. hahahs

[jade brook]

Just to be sure you understood that part they said to you, you know you can already aim and choose which direction you go when you get off? This allows you to get off safely.
What other kind of control are you asking for?

• what do you want to control exactly, in the animation which you have "no control" over?

[cyan flame]

Yes, being hit/attacked while in the air, be it mounting or dismounting, is fine. That is not an issue? You can only get on safely if the target isn't attacking as you attempt to pounce, same thing goes for dismount. You get off safely if the target isn't attacking as you are jumping off. As you said, bad timing, this applies both to pouncing and dismounting, that's the thing. Also bad pouncing doesnt currently exist, but if it did, then maybe a better dismount could be argued, if it is far more likely to die while trying to mount in the first place. I'm trying to understand you, but you're kind of missing my point. You can be hit while pouncing, just like you can be hit while dismounting, it's the same concept. And I don't see an issue with both pouncing and dismounting being dangerous like that. If your timing is off when you pounce, you die. If your timing is off when you dismount, you die. If you time it well, you're fine in both cases. You are not guaranteed to die on dismount since the target has to time their attack to hit you, just like in the case of pouncing in the first place.

[cyan flame]

But you can choose when to dismount? And you can aim your dismount. Just like you choose when to pounce. You don't have to automatially get off at any given time (aside from running out of stam, but until that moment, you have a timespan to choose from when to dismount). Troodon deliberately can hang on, despite them hanging doing nothing, precisely to make their dismount less predictable.

In both cases, you have the choice of when to pounce/dismount (the latter within limits, for good reasons, but you still have a choice, even more if the target isn't bucking).

[strange shale]

I feel like cera should be a fun solo. right now. it is not.

[keen imp]

can beipe nest in water

or like shallow water like shallow enough where u can lay in it

[unreal rose]

I would think cera would be a fun solo later once it isn't the biggest land carnivore in the game, since between it being the biggest and the newest, everyone wants to try it.

[loud obsidian]

Pachy need stun on fracture at least you cant go and fracture a Carno to escape without getting bite on your head.

[barren zephyr]

Anyone else getting worse frames after these hot fixes

[loud obsidian]

i feel if you try to change any option from graphics u start getting less frames

[latent olive]

@sly badger tenonto hasnt been nerfed or even touched at all this update

the only difference i guess is that you cant alt attack while sprinting

[peak moat]

Before cera came my whole pack died...I just went for revenge....@barren zephyr

[sly badger]

Actually if you read the dev blog they the tail slam does less damage then before, and now Carnos don’t just stun them they knock them flat on the ground. Before (I’m a teno main) in update 6 you could stop a charge rams stun with a well timed tail slam- you can’t do that anymore, you get knocked flat to the ground and are stunned longer then the carno is, you also could jump before when being rammed and only take ram damage but not a stun, now you also get knocked flat to the ground on top of being stunned and damaged.

I literally spent 90% of my time in update 6 playing a teno and fighting Carnos, the fighting dynamic and balance has completely changed between teno and carno in update 6.5 and methods that used to work against carno as a teno player no longer do.

Also the whole you can’t alt bite while running is dumb (for all Dinos)

[latent olive]

oh yeah youre right, tail slam damage was reduced

[sly badger]

The Carnos stun tenos for longer then before with the whole knocking tenos flat to the ground now, and you can’t stop the carno stun with a tail slam or jump anymore.

[latent olive]

but thats like, the only change

the rest is global stagger and knockdown changes

[sly badger]

yeah and it’s ass

That’s my point- it messed up the balance/fighting dynamics between carno and teno.

I spent a few hours yesterday on teno pvping my carno main friend and it’s ass- half the techniques good teno players used in update 6 to combat Carnos are now completely null.

@safe flume

[limber hull]

carno is not fairly nerfed, that animal is so bad now

[barren zephyr]

I disagree but I'm too tired too argue. Let's just say im right

[limber hull]

nah

you haven't proved you're right so i'll say i'm right till proven otherwise

[barren zephyr]

Likewise. Gn

[limber hull]

anyway i hope carno is fixed with Gateway because this animal has a right to exist

[feral solstice]

This is just copium

[rapid burrow]

Agreed

the carno is terrible now

i mean it was cancer before this update because it was spammed, now you dont see any carno players because the nerf was uncalled for tbh, now cera is spammed

as a juvi carno, you can look forward to be killed by troodons/Ceras

while cera has infinate stam wich is so dumb, so heavy dino but can run forever and more agile/light weigh carno runs out of stam and is slow? doesnt make sense. thats like nerfing a cheetah cuz its too fast

[urban flax]

uh carno is much heavier AND faster than cera

[limber hull]

carno's speed was unaffected lol

[rapid burrow]

Have you tried running as a juvi carno

[limber hull]

okay, but that's juvi

the adult carno is still as fast as ever

[desert arch]

@leaden juniper The server counts being broken is an epic games issue, meaning the devs cant do anything about it.

[low cape]

anyone know how to nest as a stego? im nesting but the temperature isnt rising im not sure what im supposed to do lmao

[desert arch]

Sit on the nest

[low cape]

ah ok.. ive tried and it wont let me i might have to relog

[desert arch]

@floral widget The servers showing incorrect playercounts is an epic games issue, the devs cant do anything to fix it. The queue system has recently been reenabled for all servers, its just unreliable because of the broken player counter.

[ocean coral]

@muted bay i agree

[limber hull]

@pastel cove the carno cannibalism was a direct cause to the carno overpopulation

easy nutrition and sustainability

if your pack lost members in the hunt, it was essentially a successful hunt, since you could eat their remains

carnos could eat huge amounts of easy nutrients from killing their own kind, rather than hunting other animals

[pastel cove]

Yeah, but also people played carno to hell because it was the only large land carnivore at the time and it was easy to spam charge with and a broken hitbox. It makes carno a lot harder to play/since it’s already nerfed to hell and it being a cannibal was an advantage since again, it could control the population since everyone played it at once

[limber hull]

it doesn't need to moderate its own population anymore, it already has ceras, omnis and gallis all easily able to kill it

carno needs buffs to help it fulfil a superior hunter role

not fall back on relying on killing its own kind

[pastel cove]

it’s faster than ceras and cera loses the matchup pretty easily, omnis are pretty strong but also can get killed easily, and galli also is killed pretty easily

One of the best parts about carno was the fact it was a cannibal

[limber hull]

if you're losing to a carno as an omni, that's pretty bad, even two omnis can obliterate a carno

[pastel cove]

also didn’t they remove a large amount of AI from Carno’s diet?

[limber hull]

they got rid of goat

[pastel cove]

yeah I don’t really know why

[limber hull]

i think it was a decent idea

only issue is carno is a really badly balanced animal

super weak

[pastel cove]

yeah it’s not in the best spot right now

[limber hull]

the entire animal has been designed around an absurdly overtuned charge damage

they should honestly look into decreasing charge damage and balancing carno around superior stamina, agility and general ability to control plains

ideally, a carno should be better at hunting small animals while struggling at hunting stuff like ceras

its current design makes its only solid matchup/hunt a cerato

which is a bizarre position for it to be in

[pastel cove]

I mean, cerato is the only other mid tier land predator at the moment

[limber hull]

and carno is a small game hunter, yet it's worse at hunting small game than it is the other pseudo-mid

[pastel cove]

With nerfed charge speed it takes awhile to get that ambush off as well, and bad turn speed

[limber hull]

which is good, i'm glad it's worse at ambushing, but it'd be nice if it had any pursuit capabilities to compensate

unfortuantly, it's a pursuit hunter designed like an ambush hunter that lives in the environment where ambush hunting sucks, all while being bad at all of them

[leaden juniper]

IF that is the case then they need to rework the queue system so that it isn't broken by the server numbers. If the game client can detect a server is full then they can integrate that "check" into a queue system. Still a major fail on their part.

[desert arch]

The good news is that they are working on fixing the root of the issue, they already contacted epic about it so hopefully it gets fixed soon

(Maybe thats why the servers are down for maintenance atm)

[leaden juniper]

Haha. "Soon" with this company?

[desert arch]

If by "this company" you mean epic games yes. It all depends on them fixing it.

[leaden juniper]

Yeah epic.... sure.

[desert arch]

They provide the servers so its their responsibility to fix them.
All games suffer that use their servers, not just the isle :/

[normal lotus]

@leaden juniper queue is back

[leaden juniper]

@desert arch @normal lotus If you are correct then I stand corrected.

[normal lotus]

Tis alright. Also Amarok said they're trying to fix the problem with the population not being right

[agile roost]

@ruby cipher they could hold their charged bite

[ruby cipher]

Eh they could but should still be changed. Was a dumb move making the 3 call same as chuffing

[azure ruin]

I agree.

The chuffing should be a toggleable feature... and gosh just a different roar or growl for the 3 call would be wonderful.

#general-feedback message @stable gazelle I don't think this should be implemented because the cera is supposed to be the carno's competitor and not its prey.

[faint tapir]

@azure ruin the CPU temp crash topic, i realized a friend of mine has the same issue due to the game only utilizing 2 CPU cores, and those 2 are overheating.

[azure ruin]

It's crazy I can't understand how this game can add so much stress to a pc's hardware.

[faint tapir]

its indeed quite strange. My CPU is 3 gens older than his 11th gen Intel, but because mine spreads the usage over 6 cores, game runs cool and smooth. His crashes. Something is up. We tried Core affinities, nothing, now trying undervoltage.

[azure ruin]

Mind if I add you on Discord to keep in touch? If either of us find a fix we could update one another!

[faint tapir]

yes of course, feel free

[azure ruin]

Thank you!

[stable gazelle]

they removed goats from carno diet so they should replace it with cera at least

[desert arch]

Organs give plenty of nutrition and now food as well

2 organs can almost completely fill a carno

[faint tapir]

bones on the other hand are nerfed. they only give small chunks of diets at a time and disappear pretty fast. Tested on croc and cera

[desert arch]

Thats a different can of worms, I was talking about carno :p

Will miss the easy diets though

[azure ruin]

Why are they punishing the carno so much! Especially acceleration wise. I will admit. Organs do give so much nutrients and food now.

[limber hull]

@brittle kiln they have boar that does exactly that

[stable gazelle]

yes mochi nice name xD

[steel field]

Cannibalism did not help cull the carno population at all, if anything all it did was help megapacks sustain themselves much like whats happening with cerato

If anything a species being a cannibal is nothing but an upside at the moment

[limber hull]

yea pretty much

difference with cerato tho is that its stomach is so massive, it can't benefit as massively

cannibalism goes from a luxury to a necessity frequently with them

which I do like about them

[barren crater]

If it manages to get a fresh body though, it thrives. Organs fill it up so much

[steel field]

That much is fair

But yea, carno does not need its cannibalism back at all

[lapis swallow]

I would like cannibalism to be a bit limited at least. so you just get diets from organs and just not get debuffs from the meat

[normal lotus]

This is true.

[limber hull]

carno needs many things, cannibalism is not one of them

[lapis swallow]

yes

[normal lotus]

To be honest I am waiting for the herbis

Diabloceratops is probably going to be quite difficult to manage especially in herds

[limber hull]

i just want carno to be a well balanced carnivore

[normal lotus]

Same here. Just diablo does have some mechanics I will have fun using. The team probably needs a rest. Especially the guy who ported the map over to UE5

[steel field]

Unfortunately we are still stuck in the eternal loop where it and utah shift from garbage to god-tier every update

[limber hull]

basically yea

[normal lotus]

Cycles can be broken.

[limber hull]

what's funny is both omni and carno were in pretty good places last patch, yet utterly betrayed by some grade-A bull bugs

[steel field]

This is why we need bug fix / soft balance patches more often

[normal lotus]

Well I mean. The dev team has came out swinging with several patches

Very minor ones. But complaints we've been needing to be solved for a while

[steel field]

Well yea, but we yet to see actual combat patches

[normal lotus]

Fair.

[steel field]

Im glad they adressed some of the ongoing issues tho

[lapis swallow]

dude, this is the isle. we cant have that here

[normal lotus]

I mean we can.

[barren crater]

Even with a bug fix though for Carno, update 6 Carno would delete Cera

Funny

[limber hull]

it is

we need a nerf to charge damage badly

[normal lotus]

@barren zephyr well we are getting a dietary migration system with the next update. U7. Along with gateway

[limber hull]

honestly, i want the charge to be tied to "charges" like dryo dodge

and not have a stamina cost

[woven summit]

https://youtu.be/gzIeAI52Le4

Fix it fast

[steel field]

Yea the pounce bug in particular is nasty

[barren zephyr]

I know but I don't really see diet being enough to prevent afk growing for example for carnivores would still be pretty easy to afk grow

[normal lotus]

I mean they're trying. Gotta give them some respect. A lot bugs that need to be taken care of

[normal lotus]

That's where perks come in.

[limber hull]

i would have the charge be a 3 second speed burst which does around 200 damage and knockdowns to those it impacts, on a 1 minute cooldown

and have 2 charges like dryo's dodge

can't chargespam big things to death anymore, but charge isn't a complete drain on your escape plan

[normal lotus]

Doing things as you grow could possibly give you perks. Giving you an advantage if you actually move around a lot

[limber hull]

i mean, migrations plays a big part in this

wanna grow? better make sure you aren't on the wrong side of the map where food and nutrients are limited

[normal lotus]

Well I mean. You should 100% think before you fight. Try and measure what the prey item is capable of. And what's the best way of attack

[woven summit]

how can you take so long for an update just so it sucks in the end

[normal lotus]

If you don't think and charge in blindly. Your escape plan is gone

[limber hull]

its one bug lol

[limber hull]

which i think its utter bull lol, no other animal is this punished for choosing to fight

[barren zephyr]

I mean they're not able to find every bug its not that big of a team

[normal lotus]

It's one bug. And sometimes bugs get through. Did you expect 0 bugs to be in the update?

[limber hull]

carno should be allowed to retreat, rather than die once the opponent gets the upper hand, which is a massive issue with carno atm

it should also be allowed to use endurance to actually stay on a prey items butt, rather than just... exhaust in 2 seconds

[woven summit]

Ne but that's a cheek

[normal lotus]

Uh what?

[normal lotus]

True they should be allowed to retreat. And you definitely can if you preserve some stamina for running away

[limber hull]

with current carno, you can't preserve stamina

everything it does is a massive stam dump

even charging once can make you incapable of escape

reminder, a cerato can run down a full adult carno when both animals are on full stamina

if the carno charges, it becomes easier and easier to do so

[woven summit]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

[normal lotus]

Don't result to petty insults. It makes you look bad.

[barren crater]

This. Every creature should be able to escape in the right condition. The idea of fighting a creature and one of you dying all the time is so lame in each engagement

[feral solstice]

Isle players when you try to look on the bright side (they’re dragging you down to their level)

[limber hull]

i still stand by the no-stam charge on a dryo-type cooldown. Use the charge for a speed boost to close the distance, an attack, a traversal tool, so on. Charge lasts for a short burst (say, 2 seconds), but without the stamcost, actually has more utility and better suits the carno's pursuit playstyle.

Then nerf the hell out of the charge damage to like 200 rather than the current 350

[normal lotus]

@woven summit I try to have a nice and normal debate with you but if you have no more arguments left. I suggest listening to what the other side has to say. Rather than going to petty insults.

[normal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/bright-side-bright-side-of-life-song-look-at-the-bright-side-positive-gif-12636167

[mystic hare]

@barren zephyr I don't think there needs to be a system against afk growing.
this is a problem only dedicated to the current state of the game, where there are few slots and lots of people. this will be solved automatically in the future with growing server caps and map size .
also forcing players to move out of certain areas is lame and sometimes you just have to go afk for different reasons and are not intentionally afk growing but also do not want to lose our slot on the server .
I agree tho that there should be a system encouraging active gameplay instead of hiding but if you find yourself a nice spot somewhere to live and build a Lil Dino family that should also be possible .
Also for some dinos, looking at stego an d deino , there is hardly anything to do and as a deino u alwyas run risc of being canabilized and wush 4 houors growth time down the train.

[feral solstice]

Afking happens when there’s a problem with the system, and it’s attempt to make you active has flaws.

[normal lotus]

Not meaning to be rude but could you please add some punctuation? It messes with my brain every time and I can't read it.

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr migrations coming with U7 and Gateway

[mystic hare]

Poggy

[limber hull]

basically, food/diets spawn in a specific part of the map and people move there

you have a choice not to go there, but if you want consistent diets, you go there

[feral solstice]

I cannot believe I am now in a time where I can say Update 7 is next
My most anticipated update of all time

[normal lotus]

And when the food is out. It spawns somewhere else. Rinse repeat

[limber hull]

U7 pretty damn good

Gateway, a reason to not AFK/fight everything you see, a reward for surviving, so on

[sick crescent]

Games having downtime is a controversial topic

The difference is just, The Isle can have downtime but also not be afk in bush sim

[brittle kiln]

boar kill any baby dino
or they already reduced the boar damage?

[limber hull]

you wanted an AI that attacks baby dinos

[feral solstice]

I think downtime is fine, just not afking. Which this can be done by encouraging people to be active

[limber hull]

boar hasn't been nerfed (thank God) because it's supposed to be a threat

[barren zephyr]

Regarding having to go AFK for a long time for outside of the game, on my proposal that wouldn't be affected you would just be penalized for that. Also that does not seem like a consequence that should nullify the AFK growing problem. (personaly if I go AFK for more than 15min and I know that I will just log out because I dont want my dino to die while I am away)
Also regarding the Stego and Deino problem, to me that is not a problem. That is the obstacles you have to overcome to survive, btw those are the 2 most powerful dinos in the game atm they're supposed to be hard to grow why do u think it takes 5 hours? If deinos have deinos on their diet they're meant to eat each other wanna gorw a stego or deino be smart about it while moving around the map. The Isle is about survival. Which takes both strategy and critical thinking in order for you to make the best choices and have the best possible outcome. Deinos and Stegos as well as other bigger/stronger dinos are not meat to be easy to grow otherwise we would only see them around like we did see in legacy.

[mystic hare]

dinos are so easy grown that i dont bother logging off xD takes hardly any strategy to survive imo its a chilly game to waste some time being amazing dinosaur but i get your points

[barren zephyr]

@faint folio , I entirely agree. I sincerely hope it can work like that

[sharp creek]

sync is horrible since last hotfix

[brittle kiln]

but like the little velo in legacy

[shut heron]

you just gotta hit and run against boars

[barren zephyr]

@rotund lake what? Like why. You bought the game in early access, so it can take as long as they want.

[urban flax]

This isn't even the right server to suggest this...
Allowing game developers to keep game early acces for long -or not- is a Steam issue
And I don't think we'd see any early access game on Steam anymore if devs were forced to refund their game after 5 years in EA...

That, or they would remove the early access tag before the game is finished so people don't know they are buying an unfinished product

[mystic hare]

How is it possible that after waiting 20 minutes in queue finally getting to that sweet 1 / 40 i connect and instantly get disconected with it saying server is full !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[barren zephyr]

Rip

Wait seriously? Its actually still bugged?

[primal spear]

Thanks developers for adding the queue!!

[mystic hare]

so far i was able to connecte better without the queue tbh

[empty cradle]

So I think I just found out that beipie crashes games when they die (either fatal error or game completely closing out)

[sage river]

sounds like skill issue

[empty cradle]

Sounds like game issue

[sage river]

just jokes lol

[empty cradle]

Ik

[sage river]

but if you stopped dying you wouldnt crash 🤷‍♂️

[empty cradle]

Great name and pic

[sage river]

thanks man, pics ai generated

[empty cradle]

No im not the one dying im saying beipies dying is whats causing the crash

[sage river]

ah i gotchu

[empty cradle]

And the map too so theres that so we just gotta wait til next update

[loud obsidian]

Thank you for the Queue System

[outer yacht]

My opinion is it's better to reward active play than punish afk growing. Like, put hidden treats around the map that encourage people to wander around and look for them to get a buff of some kind. Make the gameplay fun, punishing afk is treating the symptom not the actual problem

[woven musk]

I gotta ask how dense do you have to be to vote against having a few more servers?

[outer yacht]

maybe their thought process is that when the hype dies down those extra servers will be empty? But imo not having those eextra servers now will cause it to die a lot quicker...

[sand basalt]

Masochism

[empty cradle]

Yeah now we need a queue system for unofficial servers :)

[pale storm]

Add compatibility for mouse buttons and their key binds, please, and thank you.

I don't like the configuration of alt attacks and jumps, and rebinding them no longer works

Also, I'm positive that the bite radius for all carnivores is bugged to some extent and wider than it should be. Just me?

I had a cerato somehow snatch me at least 10 feet away as a troodon. My cerato got the same treatment with a deino I was far away enough from, yet it still somehow grabbed me

[minor pelican]

it's been like this with me from troodon genuine sadness

[empty cradle]

They really need to fix this fatal error and the isle completely exiting itself because it happens all the time when im playing and its frustrating

[olive crest]

all my beipis are getting the same treatments but from ceras

[peak granite]

:(

[maiden epoch]

@minor pelican try to run while u have ur Mouth open and tell me if ur tired Faster than if u would let it shut while Running

And I'm pretty sure what's the answer is so there u go

[fleet hawk]

So I do not know if this is a joke with the night vision under water or intentional, but I see with the Beipi nothing under water because the Croc has better visibility. With me everything is only black and with others I know. It is very bad in the swamp.

[outer yacht]

it's intended, bepis are supposed to forage on land during the night

[vapid minnow]

I love a mechanic that causes me headaches and nausea and ppl w epilepsy seizures !!! that I can't opt out of. even in the special epilepsy mode it doesn't do anything !! so I simply can't play one of my fav dinos

[gilded cosmos]

Haven't been able to get in a game since the update. Servers are always full and if I wait in queue the game crashes when it finally trys to connect. Good times, well played

[lean hazel]

Anyone else not liking the pteranodon colour limitations as of 6.5? The new colours are so dull! My blue, white and yellow ptera was banished to the shadow realm as of this update and I don't see why - especially considering the vibrant colour options the new dinos have

[prisma stump]

Guys what's up with the optimization? It's even worse than pre-update. I went from 60 fps to getting 30-40 fps with medium settings.

[copper schooner]

Whats Official QA NA 1 server?..

[copper schooner]

Fr i really dont like the new colors

[faint folio]

Depends... One of the suggestions I saw was to add a HUNDRED official servers. That's both really expensive, and it would totally devastate the official servers pops and the unofficial server pops. I'm all game for maybe 2-3 more official servers in each region, but 100 is crazy

[urban flax]

There was also a suggestion to put 1000 slots on every official server

[prisma stump]

Hey you play this game alot, do you think the isle is just poorly optimised and I therefore only get around 20% usage on both

[urban flax]

The Isle is very poorly optimized
But it gets slightly better with every update

[cunning junco]

Go afk at night then or eat some ibuprofen. Sorry bruv that's life

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr Cera's vomit ability is already powerful enough as it is...
Besides, the point is to make people run away not use it to kill them

[desert arch]

Pukelocking is already a big issue, it does not need any more buffs

[barren zephyr]

It's actually really easy to keep the puke meter down already though cause you can just back off if it gets too high up to avoid throwing up, it resets really fast too so you can just go back in the fight

To me it's really eh

[desert arch]

If the opponent tries to disengage cerato can usually just run it down

[barren zephyr]

Yeah if they don't pay attention to how much stam they've used

I guess I'm the only one who thinks it's not good enough since majority downvoted lol

[desert arch]

Cerato can run down a carno that used charge just once

Tenos as well

[prisma stump]

Anyone in here have somewhat experience with computers? And the isle performance in genereal?

[lapis swallow]

@ocean coral you do know that this is impossible?

They made evrima for a reason

[limber hull]

more importantly why would you want to go back lol

[urban flax]

We got some pretty nice feedback lately

[lapis swallow]

Wanna set bets on when the newest one is gonna get deleted?

[limber hull]

a few cera buffs to "screw the devs in particular"

[urban flax]

Probably about 5 minutes before the guy starts ranting on reddit

[limber hull]

from bad to worse

[urban flax]

"Banned for speaking the truth"

[limber hull]

"mods are such babies that can't handle criticism"

[lapis swallow]

Regarding reddit, I have found the least insane isledditor

[lapis swallow]

With four ! at the end of the post (it was supposed to be three, but they are so angry)

[rare fractal]

I just love the idea of “you simply weren’t paying attention to your stamina” when Cera has the stam to chase both from full bars

[north quiver]

“B- But cera needs to be a powerful hunter so it needs more speed and stronger bactetia bites and damage! BUFF!! >:c”

[limber hull]

cera fans ignoring 50 different random corpses lying around to kill a single juvi carno (carnivore = hunter animal)

[rare fractal]

Ceratorex enjoyers ignoring their complete lack of combative weaknesses

Because even none chuff Cera can 1v1 anything in the game rather comfortably

Accept for a Carno in the open

[limber hull]

honestly, just nerf cera's stam already

if it's smart, it'll use a corpse to turn the tables

[rare fractal]

I don’t know why it has such a titanically efficient stamina economy

It’s not even just it’s running stam, it has NO forms of stam drain aside from that

[limber hull]

exactly yea

[rare fractal]

That was the ideal scenario originally, not sure what happened to that

[limber hull]

it still does that... on top of all the other powerful stuff it does

[rare fractal]

It’s got the highest success rate in hunts by far

Omni might be beating it out barely

[urban flax]

Wait charged bite doesn't drain stam ? I assumed it did

[limber hull]

nope

charge bite is free as free can be

in fact, fun fact, it's the only "special combat ability" with zero stam cost

[urban flax]

I've had a rather sad experience with beipi, and a murderous one with galli, now I need to try out cera since it seems to be so powerful :P

[rare fractal]

It’s just a bonus 360~ damage on top of what it already had for dos

[limber hull]

oh and more bacteria applied

[urban flax]

I also saw cera can sprint while charging a bite which is... a design choice

[rare fractal]

Have fun feeling like the protogonist

[limber hull]

the biggest downside is the sound it makes

which, to be fair, is a massive help in preventing this thing to fulfil it's ambush predator dreams

but it probably needs more idk man

[rare fractal]

Which is no more an indicator that it’s about to attack you as it just running towards you would

Not like anyone ambushes in this game anyway

[limber hull]

it's saved me many times

[rare fractal]

Surely

[urban flax]

Before the update I thought I would main cera because I like the underdog among playables... But I guess if I want that gameplay I'd rather play carno instead

[limber hull]

because ceras ruin their perfectly good ambush by making the loudest sound on the planet

carno is the true underdog for sure

[rare fractal]

If you REALLY wanna enjoy an experience like that play teno

But that’s moreso a masochism run

[limber hull]

although cera mains will tell you it's OP because it has the best matchup against the cerato

[urban flax]

I'm not good enough to play teno xD

[limber hull]

i'd argue teno has it better than carno, but not by much

[rare fractal]

Oh don’t worry most of your attacks won’t even activate anyway skill isn’t important

[rare fractal]

Teno gets harder countered by vomitlock than Carno does tbf

[urban flax]

I feel like galli is quite insane tho, it always has the choice to either run or fight, even against carnos

[rare fractal]

And it scales worse in groups

[limber hull]

galli is pretty well designed in comparison to cera tho

honestly it's a better carno than carno

[north quiver]

honestly feels so good if you make an army of tenos and march to center to take it over and make ceras run. all feels great until the pack of 6+ ceras hear of your existence…

[urban flax]

It feels great to play

[limber hull]

everything about galli honestly just... feels like carno should feel, but on a smaller animal

[urban flax]

Even though I don't understand it can only dig up compies when compy isn't on its diet...

I thought foraging should give you something at random (or depending on biome) between compy, frog or crab
But no, only compies

[rare fractal]

Mhm, unfortunately as I said, teno scales wat worse in groups than Cera does, so if you’re even matched in numbers if not slightly superior in numbers they have a better shot against you

[desert arch]

@neon surge I have the same issue since the update, its due to your processor overheating. I have an 11th gen intel processor that can run any other game on max settings at 80+fps, but for some weird reason the isle only wants to use 2 cores out of 11, thus those 2 severely overheat and my laptop just... dies.

[rare fractal]

Their TTK is so much shorter than yours is

[urban flax]

Also does teno still stand a chance against carno now that stuns are gone ?

[desert arch]

I tried messing with the affinity but it still refuses to use the other cores

[north quiver]

fr

[rare fractal]

Yes

[limber hull]

fast, glass cannon, enduring enough to both escape and chase, poor turn radius, but not to the point of absurdity, stamina costs on attacks being meaningful but not absurd, has clear weaknesses to being ambushed by predators and bleeding/fracture damage, acceleration feels like it adds a unique playstyle to the animal rather than shoot it in the leg

literally, galli is just better designed carno atm

like if you ever want to play carno, play galli, i guarantee you it will feel better

it even does the "punch down/small-game hunter" stuff better, have you seen it vs troodons and other small creatures?

[urban flax]

Yes I've killed juvie ceratos and carnos who thought it was a good idea to attack a flock of 4 gallis including one adult by themselves

[limber hull]

you don't even need 4

a solo galli performs the role of a carno better than carno

[urban flax]

Oh the others didn't really fight
There was no need tbh

[limber hull]

it's so endlessly tragic that this animal is here as an example of all of carno's core elements done well, and carno remains as-is

a botched ambush hunter carried by a garbage map that can't kill the prey it was designed to

and the thing is, being chased as a galli is so thrilling as a small animal like troodon that it really shows exactly what you're missing out on with carno. Galli, like carno, sucks complete ass in the jungles, so escaping a galli is using speed and agility to out-turn the galli and use loops and mind-games to get to the forest ASAP and disappear into the foliage where the gallis dare not tread due to their bad accel and turn radius

galli does this for fun and out-performs carno which does this to survive

[outer yacht]

For everyone who hates the idea of an unstuck or suicide button, what would be a satisfying compromise? Seriously, there needs to be something for all the holes in the map. Waiting for an afk admin or starving to death isn't exactly fun.

[urban flax]

a map with no holes to get stuck into

[outer yacht]

that's a bit of a stretch, and it's not coming anytime soon. What do you propose in the meantime?

[urban flax]

Gateway, which is a much better map, may be coming next update

[outer yacht]

which will take how long?

[urban flax]

tbh I don't know either why people are so against unstuck options, but since I almost never got stuck I don't care either

[outer yacht]

and what if gateway is not a perfect map and has holes?

[urban flax]

There's been no report of holes from people who have tested it

[outer yacht]

were there reports of holes when spiro was coming out?

[urban flax]

yes

Since the initial release of evrima, before update 1

[outer yacht]

i'm of the opinion that a perfect map without holes is impossible tbh

[urban flax]

A lot of games do it just fine

[outer yacht]

so lets say gateway is perfect, how long will that take to come out? what do you propose we do in the meantime? it takes a long time to starve and people might just quit instead

[urban flax]

As I said I don't care about what happens in the meantime
If they decide to add an unstuck/suicide options it's fine by me, otherwise whatever

[outer yacht]

if you lost hours of growth due to gettinig stuck I think you'd care a little more

[urban flax]

maybe

[faint folio]

@boreal briar I take your suggestion and raise it-- suicide button in the server select menu (with a confirm you want to delete your existing dino pop up to prevent accidental deletion)

[boreal briar]

That'd be good, needing to be safe logged or despawned to do it.

[faint folio]

You completely log out of the server (so no possibility to body deny/get out of danger free OR feeding yourself with your body) and it just tells the server to delete the save associated with that account

[outer yacht]

there's a good suggestion

[faint folio]

Also helps if you just don't want to play the dino anymore. Wanna respawn to play something new or play with friends? Delete it from the server select and start fresh. No more yeeting off cliffs

[outer yacht]

I sure do like the free buffet at the bottom of cliffs tho XD

[boreal briar]

True, i get sick of my long lived dinosaurs sometimes

[boreal briar]

Also true! lmao

[minor pelican]

the issue here is not reality, it's balancing

[maiden timber]

Evrima Nighttime lasts too long and occurs too often.
Remove Motion Blur

[maiden epoch]

Not really

[minor pelican]

I'm talking about a way to punish the guy who runs with his mouth open, it's like Carno who uses the charge only when he's close to his rival than he uses it from afar tell me which one uses more resistance

tell a good guy from a bad guy

[frozen heron]

@surreal narwhal No, omni is already great this update as is

[surreal narwhal]

I wouldn't say, she had her stamina regen cut like by 2 times.

[finite valley]

first thing they gotta do is fix the pounce issues

[empty cradle]

No first thing they gotta do is fix the game completely closing out and fatal error

[covert bronze]

i also think omni is greatest right now with the balancing. the most unbalanced is cera, too tanky, too much stam, too much blood/venom resis, and getting also on this stats buffs with a corpse

[outer yacht]

I’m going to be honest, I love the death trap. Once you die to it enough times eventually you learn where it is, then it’s buffet time. It’s peak “be rewarded for learning the map” (although before you learn where it is it’s literally impossible to see which is a little unfair)

[torpid plover]

Has Anyone sat through a queue and it tell you the server is full after waiting?

[barren zephyr]

I don't think Mountain Ash is spawning

Anyone else noticed?

[vapid minnow]

@limpid dome why would people donate for skins bro 😭😭😭 that j sounds like micro transactions no ty

[barren zephyr]

BoB/PoT moment

[swift hinge]

when can we get a unstuck button or kill off button lol gotten stuck way too many times with full stomach and water and had to wait forever to die off

[vital quarry]

Me too @crimson patio, me too. At best my fps is 20

[crimson patio]

it just gets so bad around areas that are popular with lots of other dinos and corpses ig

I'll be getting like 5 frames

10 frames if i'm lucky

[sand inlet]

anyone miss humans?

[empty cradle]

Yes it was neat to see humans even though they had no purpose for rn

[tidal hill]

https://tenor.com/view/climb-up-blondie-the-love-bird-featherless-cute-adorable-gif-16604904

omg guys, we need wings and fur, this dragon style has ended ! I love the game, but after watching PP + a bunch of studies and observation, as a 3D animator, I only see a bunch of featherless chickens running around

[desert arch]

Feathered dinosaur variations are planned for the far future

[tidal hill]

Really? 🤩 that's great!!!! It's gonna make a lot of difference in terms of immersivity and reality ! !

[desert arch]

Paleo accurate utahraptor and gallimimus are the ones that are confirmed

And oviraptor

Others may or may not get feathers as a customiseable option

[tidal hill]

yea, dinos like carnos and ceras for example, even though they have the same bird structures in their bodies, they probably didn't have feathers, but I believe they had some kind or small amount of fur/light feather in their arms/body, they weren't like a croc because they were warm blood animals and considering that the fur/feathers would be important to dissipate heat in some way

[urban flax]

Fur and feathers exist to keep heat, not dissipate it...
Some dinos definitely had scaly bodies, carno is among these ones
We've found very well-preserved skin impressions of carno

[limpid dome]

because the devs need money?

For better work?

[limber hull]

they dont

they've said many times they don't need nor want more money

[urban flax]

They've already stated multiple times they have sufficient funding, and they don't accept donations

[limpid dome]

okay

[tidal hill]

Sorry, you're right, I think what I wanted to say was to "control the temperature" ! But then the theory is based on the environment the animals lived in right? Like carnos probably lived in really hot weather places

[urban flax]

Yes and no.
From a certain size, animals do not really need insulation anymore (unless they live in extremely cold climates) because of gigantothermy. Their body produces so much heat merely by functioning that they don't need the extra insulation, so it's unlikely that large dinosaurs had any feathering. If they had, it may have been very localized or sparse feathering

Prehistoric Planet's T-Rex is a good example of that, only the juveniles are feathered, while the adults have "elephant" like very sparse feathering over a almost completely scaly body

[tidal hill]

That's cool and makes a lot of sense ! Like trikes as well !! I've read mammals have many other utilities but following these dino characteristics, do you think the elephants in Africa, for example, might totally lose their fur in the future?

[urban flax]

That's a possibility, although they don't really have a need for it. Although I believe elephants' hair have some use, tho I don't know what it is.

[keen kettle]

@haughty token

Or, make it so if you crash while playing as ptera, or server crashes, the game auto-spawn/lands your Ptera on nearest ground spot, safe and sound. Also hate dying while loading in, sucks the fun out of it. Sure, doesnt take long to fully grow a Ptera but still time wasted just to die so needlessly.

[tall hearth]

@sly lotus make a report in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 . Be sure to include what happened during the buggy pounce.

[alpine quest]

@lament compass I don't think sub only because the primary thing adult deinos do is laze around because hunger isn't as urgent, but it is still important since adult deinos will typically be fighting stegos, and this bite buff could help them since stegos are still OP compared to deinos. This would help balance it out a little.

[tall hearth]

Deino, the water ambusher meant to drown prey should not be fighting the land tank. It's not getting "balanced" the way you hope. If you saw in the patch notes youd have seen deinos lunge doeent stun anymore and stuns deino for longer. The devs dont want you fighting stegos as it's not your niche.

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, what better way to improve the two dinos that have horribly imbalanced interactions with the rest of the roster than to make them have even worse interactions with eachother.

[limber hull]

deino and stego can both just leave each other alone

[jovial hazel]

They can.

[urban flax]

Stego can ignore deino (as it should) but deino cannot simply ignore stego because, you see, deino is a predator

[limber hull]

the mighty predator must hunt the feeble herbivore

[jovial hazel]

Stego already had the advantage by a long shot.

[limber hull]

i'd argue deino has the advantage because it gets to select when/if/where the engagement takes place

stego doesn't

it also gets to decide when it wants to end the engagement

a deino also has an easier time killing a sub-adult stego than a stego has killing a sub-adult deino

[jovial hazel]

Those are fair points. But it's a game with a currently limited roster. How is making everything not interract with eachother making anything better? By that logic ptera is the most OP dino in the game. It can just avoid everything. Sounds like fun.

[limber hull]

ptera is technically the most OP dino

that's not even far off it's absolutely nuts

[jovial hazel]

With the convoluted logic of "not interracting with anything" is better.

[urban flax]

You're complaining about the very existence of deino there
The only way to survive a deino, as anything but stego, is to never meet one

[limber hull]

i mean, ptera can interact with things and those things can do literally nothing to stop it

it can get free, riskless damage off against a good chunk of the roster

and with its honestly quite insane 20 bite force

that adds up quick

but yea in terms of power, ptera and deino easily take first place, by a country mile

choosing when/if you die is a luxury most other creatures don't get

[jovial hazel]

I feel like it's a simple matter of making the balance work with the current roster. Yeah maybe eventually stego and deino never interract, but for now stego vs deino is both of their best interractions. And like you said, it's still completely voluntary on both sides.

[limber hull]

i mean, making the balance work involves making deino MUCH harder to grow, fixing whatever cera's deal is and making pachy get something to compensate for its overreliance on stuns in prior patches

oh... and carno

but it needs a whole-ass rework

[cunning junco]

Wasn't carno incredibly op earlier? So it went from being OP to worthless in a short time. In other games that usually means something about the design is fundamentally broken.
Afaik they just nerfed it's stamina and charge

[limber hull]

it was OP, not because of anything intentional, but because of a bug

that made its charge a planetary-body sized hitbox

so fixing that hitbox, on top of the accel nerf, charge stam nerf, juvi/sub nerf, turn nerf and so on? Yea it's pretty bad

Not even mentioning the fact it ended up with the worst NV in the game and had its diet lose an AI that it once relied on, and the cannibalism stuff

(tbf, I liked the accel and diet changes)

but on top of all else? Yea it's screwed

[desert arch]

@lethal fog Troodons bleed damage doesnt even come close to what omni can do, if you think troodon is op then omni is a god.

[lethal fog]

Learn how to read @desert arch I said they keep the bleeding "on" not do a lot of bleeding damage. They are just annoying

[desert arch]

I would read it if it was there, besides you also wrote "they should not be able to bleed out a full grown stego", which implies they do infact bleed a lot.

[iron basin]

the fact people are down voting my logical suggestion for ptera absolutely baffles me

[boreal briar]

@iron basin I think Petras use a little too much stamina at the moment but you can glide for ages without losing a drop of stamina. They're gliders not real flyers. They need a reason to land on the ground you can't just expect them to be able to stay in the air all day long.

[iron basin]

i agree the stamina drain is stupid how fast it goes down atm

[boreal briar]

Yee. But, if they got stamina from just chilling in the air they could stay up until water was needed. It'd be a bit too strong without air predators

[iron basin]

i mean if they added quetz it would be a different story

[boreal briar]

True, it may change when that happens

[iron basin]

but the answer to my objection is WHEN they will add quetz

wrong section - this is the discussion, not the suggestion channel

[flat grove]

yeah just noticed, sry

[boreal briar]

@flat grove a million people say the same thing. its not their fault

Its an api issue on Epics end

they are waiting for the game engine team to help them fix the issue

[flat grove]

good, but dont they have any alternatives until then?

[boreal briar]

The alternative is "deal with it" lol

they need the API to tell them how many people are in there, if that doesnt work and its not their code to fix, they can't do much

they've tried a lot of fixes but none of them worked.

[desert quarry]

Has anyone had issues with controls since the last update? My Sprint key stops working when I dive underwater (I play beipi) and I don't know if it's because of the last update or that I'm streaming through Steam today, but my Sprint key only works if I remap it again and I am hoping someone has had this bug before and has a solution. I already deleted the saved folder in case it got corrupted or whatever, but it didn't work. Anyone have a similar issue?

[raven vigil]

@unique shell Explain your suggestion

[alpine quest]

Deinos will always be fighting stegos and vice versa. Theyre the only ones that can truly kill one another right now. I don't kill stegos with lunges, I alt bite them and it does the needed damage. And it doesn't matter who the deino fights, the bite buff would still work fine.

[unique shell]

what is there to explain for a survival game its to easy as a carnivore whit all that Ai running arround.

[dreamy vessel]

how do i get unstuck, im on eu 1 official, idk how to type in global chat

[raven vigil]

@unique shell Your name explains alot lol

Have you played carno recently or is this just from your experience playing other dinos?

I seriously struggle to get food even if its AI, hunting is very difficult right now with all the mixpacking and if I wasn't able to hunt AI I would starve to death 4/5 times

[unique shell]

@raven vigil Have you tried avoiding set players and go to less player populated places and farm Ai there untill adulthood? you sure sound like a i only go center player.

[raven vigil]

I've tried camping in a plethora of locations in order to find food, carno does not benefit from a slow matabolism so you constantly have to be moving, you might be right I just havent looked in the right spots. Where do you suggest I go to hunt?

@unique shell

I play on official servers incase you were wondering

[reef nacelle]

Anyone else getting FPS drops after a while in server again?

[unique shell]

@raven vigil i suggest you go to the outskirts of the map and dont go to center wich is where majority of players are and mixpacking scum. aslong you dont get to much in the open you should be fine, Sounds to me the devs need to impliment a system to counter mix packing and over crowding in a certian place and adjust a bit of the stats but to me there is so much Ai arround i never have to hunt players.

[raven vigil]

ill give it a shot thanks

[unique shell]

Remeber that the isle community is scum as a player base expect the worst. some of the problems some players have. like mixpacking are easly fixed it just takes some work from the devs. best way to survive in the game is avoid Center and dont trust strangers and maby get some friends to play there is strenght in numbers a solo player wont have much fun in the game as of now deu to poor game desing and behavour of player base

and if you strave as herbivore then you really do some thing wrong xd

[fading summit]

Hi I got stuck in a hole as a adolescent
without any chance of escape and starved to death the location was Lat -398,422,977 Long 294,949,709. Very frustrating and unfair death.

[unique shell]

its a giant hole how did you not see that😑😂

[abstract glade]

Deinosuchus should have a mud nest ,like in real life and also very irritating to have to go so far up on land to get sticks ,and because deinosuchus is such a slow ,fat animal

[arctic turret]

deinos are big gators not crocs btw

real gators build their nest out of sticks n stuff

but yea they probably should spawn sticks closer to the water anyway

@abstract glade

[abstract glade]

A lot of gators do digs there nests lay eggs then burry them

[arctic turret]

true true

what they need to change is beipis nest

idk why they changed it from the concept

looked so nice a lil bird sitting on a nest

[barren zephyr]

Hitboxes do not match, have dinos biting several feet behind me and to the sides and killing me. At least on the Dryo.

You guys noticing anything?

[cold abyss]

@round chasm , I think thats a thing already. Atleast I'm able to do it by quick Tapping Shift. It may be a Tick abuse thing, not entirely sure.

[rotund apex]

@latent olive

[latent olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/918151651817324554/1121874003720687706/ezgif-5-d33b28ced3.gif

[graceful raven]

yeah me too

[eager parrot]

Troodon pounce is probably the Best example of how bad desync is in this game

[vocal musk]

I need help from any admin

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil sucho is a semi-aquatic

it just isn't in the same environment as the other semi-aquatics

[maiden anvil]

My bad…

[unborn mauve]

wqdc

[cyan flame]

@sonic sentinel If you have an issue with stego on officials, just imagine how much more of an issue you will have with rex and trike, who are claimed to be far more powerful than stego and deino. It probably is for the best that they remain on unofficials, at least for now.

[sonic sentinel]

Yeah I get that, but that’s why balancing it is important. I do believe steg and deino are abit too strong but they Can’t just leave key dinos out official cause they’re hard to balance

[cyan flame]

On the one hand, I'd agree, they could balance things, but on the other, my point was more so that they want the apexes to be that strong. They've made it clear an apex is an apex, in every aspect. So if stego and deino are already too powerful, then it's not very likely that the rex and trike would be any less so.

[tepid gate]

they aren't too strong, they completely dwarf the rest of the roster, it'd be dumb if those other tiny animals had a good go at animals that are so much larger than them

[loud obsidian]

Check this out i try to fracture a Cera as a Pachy and after i hit it i get 2 bites and after that running from him 3 more i went from 100%HP to 20% only to get a fracture... Balance

[loud obsidian]

Fix Cera hit box is stuped you are running or unpouncing from him and he hit you a mile away from you fix this HIT BOX PLZ

[flat storm]

@steel field How about starvation starts doubling up the no diet debuffs and once you reach the point of those being doubled you then begin to lose health? Would fit with making you feel weaker as you starve, and give you more time to alleviate starvation if you were well nourished beforehand.

[steel field]

seems like a good idea

[sleek eagle]

@ruby zinc of course i would take the chance to kill something that might kill me later, plus these guys were like 60% grown, thats why they died so quick

[ruby zinc]

I donno, when I play an herbi, I just hide and avoid carnis. It feels so weird to charge in and murder them. I've seen pachys prowl through center together and murder everything they see, and stegos literally "fishing" with their tails in deino waters just to murder them for fun, and it resonates psychopath energy to me lol

[sleek eagle]

it is a video game where you're supposed to have fun, my way of having fun is fighting people. i dont grow a teno to simulate eating grass all day though its "realistic". its the same way of looking at GTA5 and being like "woah you are not supposed to jay-walk that is illegal" it is a pvp based survival video game.
also if i didnt kill those two carnos while they were young and vulnerable, they would've killed me as two full adults. i would rather fight them now then later
you can play however you like, fine by me, but dont call me a psychopath for killing a virtual dinosaur

[ruby zinc]

Yeah, I get what you mean. Living your "life" traveling in a herd and just migrating from place to place to eat the herbs you need - like a "real" dinosaur - would be boring as hell. I just think the whole rushing in and jumping them feels weird as hell to me. I see a threat and I avoid it because that's what would make sense. It spots me and threatens me, I'll fight back. Of course. I just don't kill-on-sight dudes unless I'm actually playing a dinosair that would do that. I'm sure seeing a threatening player and killing them on sight because you're big and they're small is super fun! But I just wonder if people who do this are okay, is all...

[sleek eagle]

alrighty ill enjoy my way of playing while you enjoy yours 😁

[ruby zinc]

Yeh 🙂

[pure quiver]

I like the idea of starvation making you weaker, but like weaker to attacks and damage, but not in speed or biteforce. In fact a miniscule bump in speed and animation/recovery might sell the "desperstely starving" feeling. Plus, the downgrade of being more vulnerable would elimate any metas.

I also believe that a tutorial mode + map is crucial for new players, and I'll happily do it myself if need be

[loud obsidian]

This balance patch its Call make Cera eat everyone including stegos is just stuped they left Carno a one time attack and no stamina and Pachys are useless.

[abstract bloom]

fr its so unplayable i tried to play pachy just so i can break some stuff but the cera is super resistant to it

[lyric eagle]

One of the worst things about diet is that we need to get 100% of that diet to get the benefits. I should get the perks from the first bite, instead of having to fill it to 100%.

[tall creek]

Night isn't scary and making it darker wouldn't make it any scarier. It's just annoying because you can't see anything in front of your own face so you end up wandering around falling off cliffs in the dark or else sitting in a bush for X minutes.

It'll only get scary when dilo gets added.

[loud obsidian]

We need a better tracking system just like the old one with yellow food print.

[tall hearth]

Are you using night vision? Cause I dont personally have any "too dark" complaints. I can see fine without NV sometimes even

[graceful raven]

@valid current chuffing passiert automatisch wenn du nahe Essen bist und ein anderer Spieler in der Nähe ist. es gibt dir einen Buff sodass du weniger damage erleidest

[loud obsidian]

There is bug with Omni when you pounce by mistake another Omni you get stuck and you cant let go until you ran out stamina

[tall creek]

No I'm walking about in the dark like a moron. Of course I'm using night vision. Without it, it's pitch black.

My point is, even with it being pitch black, it's not scary. Making it darker isn't going to make it more frightening. It's just annoying.

[neon surge]

I can tell ya night sure can be scary if youre trying to hide from something, so.... ???

I see what youre saying tho on it being annoying, but its not nearly as bad as legacy

night vision in evrima is so much better

[tall creek]

Not really. It's worse than legacy for me. I could see something at night in legacy. In this? Nothing. Pitch black.

[neon surge]

? how do you see less in this version, you must have brightness turned down or something because legacys nightvision was like 2 feet in front of you unless you were camara or dilo

[tall creek]

It's not scary in the least and this is coming from me...and I can't even watch goosebumps...and nope. I've even tried turning my brightness etc up to try and see if I could get the vision other people do. I've got night vision on about 70% of the time

[neon surge]

hmmm, idk I guess its just like that, agree to disagree then I guess

[tall hearth]

I dont think its gonna get "scary" for at least another couple years. It's too early in evrimas production life to have the scariness the devs are prob hoping for. Game isnt even close to being finished.

[tall creek]

You're probably right about that. It is likely to be years before it's anywhere near scary. But I still think making things darker isn't going to make it any more frightening. Just increase the number of people dying to the death canyon. Personally, I think being able to see glimpses of some shadowy, hulking figure and a few globules of shimmering red in the moonlight is far more frightening than sitting in a bush for 15minutes.

[violet magnet]

in-game maps would help so much. Instead of having to tab out constantly to see where you're going only to tab back in to the Deceased screen because something killed you while you were checking the map

[tall hearth]

The current map sucks and is hard to navigate yeah. The devs are working on a new one, with tons of memorable unique areas and landmarks. So it should be a lot easier to know where you are. We've seen footage of it around christmas when it was still in UE4.

[pure quiver]

I made my own map for a tutorial mode a while back, lemme grab it

you get a nice spiral/reverse-funnel map that is softly separated by sections, allowing you to have a relatively safe space to learn a lesson as you progress, complete with pop-up hints!

1. Move and scent, find food and water. (you find a carcass as a carnivore)
2. Hunt for fresh food and then hide from other predators (I'm thinking an Apex, herbi or carni, doesnt matter)
3. You find another dino that decides to start a fight with you, depending on your chosen species depends on what opponent, but after you kill it, you get a prompt to wallow and/or rest to recover.
4. You find another of your species and it invites you to a group! then you go through the courting and nesting mechanics
5. A storm comes your way and you must find shelter, get to higher ground, and avoid obstacles like cliffs and fires. Your mate overeats and throws up, giving you a prompt not to overeat (If you didnt already do so)
6. Spend two day cycles roaming around and surviving, then you get a special achievement! Maybe you unlock a new pattern specific to your chosen species! :0

[limber hull]

@lyric spoke its intentional

[tepid gate]

I'm either having a Deja Vu or you have written this exact same message before

but yes, Cerato is overtuned, a lot of other animals are undertuned, it needs some slight nerfs and other animals need significant buffs

[tall creek]

I can't find the 👍🏻 but you get one anyway. Sounds good to me. Though I'd change finding a carcass to hunting AI/hunting a small dino as well as eating from a carcass. Perhaps the carcass gives you 1/4 food and the prompt tells you to press G to remove organs etc.

[topaz kestrel]

@ruby trail They won't add rules to officials you gotta go to community servers if you want rules on your server

[ruby trail]

well alot of other games have some kinda rules even on officials even if it is limited

[topaz kestrel]

Which games are you referring to with "alot of other games"?
Besides not being racist or not cheating I dont know of any rules on any official game server

And they already added the mechanic where you can see mega packs when smelling, Im just not sure if it only counts the same species or also mix packers

[outer yacht]

Bob has no mixpacking rules on official

[barren zephyr]

@zenith cobalt The video you posted was recorded where the server tickrate was 8-10 (S-FPS). That is incredibly bad. S-FPS or server tickrates are basically how often the server updates the informations/inputs between clients/server in a second. Low tickrate increases the latency between the syncronizathion of server and clients. Aka, desync happens.

[zenith cobalt]

Oh okay, that makes sense. I'll update my feedback!

[barren zephyr]

So when you have 80-100 ping on a server with such low tickrate, I assure you that the combat will not be precise at all and this stuff will happen really often, and also np

[vital laurel]

@crimson patio there is an easy fix for that click on the drop down menu that says official choose unofficial and then find one 90% are wihout rules so the same as offical

[brave timber]

can anyone help me understand why i cant joins a server because its 'full' when there are only 25/100 people on the server

[vital laurel]

@zenith cobalt its coming

[zenith cobalt]

yee i know they've like talked about it, but have they showed any progress? i only suggested because they have legacy burrows already and i feel like they could easily just pop it into the game as it is now. sinceee
based on the devblog they got like trex, dilo, humans, etc already on their to-do list. feels like we may not see the burrow in ages

[vital laurel]

a long time ago filipe streamed abt it and they cant just transfer the asset from legacy to evrima its a newer enigen a diffrent map and a bunch of ohter stuff and its not rly a to do list for now as its not rly that cool nor wont sell as much as humans and rex will

[zenith cobalt]

i mean dont they already import entire dinos from legacy to evrima? i dont see how it could be much more complicated than that

[vital laurel]

no they havent they remodeld every dino

and a model and a function is very differnt

[zenith cobalt]

ya sure?

cause i mean they mentioned in the devblog "updating trikes rig"?

doesnt that mean that they have the assets already?

[deep dove]

Deinosuchus is way too overpowered, grabs should work that if you could not pick up the corpse of the creature and walk with it you should not be able to grab it. It should be a pin like the Omniraptor pounce and the creature that is grabbed should be able to fight back. I am so tired of 90% of my deaths being from a small/mid-size croc just because it has NO counter-play and once you're grabbed you are basically guaranteed dead.

[vital laurel]

to my knowalge atleast they have made the models higher poly or redone them entierly see sucho, bary and spino

[zenith cobalt]

plus i remember them saying specifically they bring in dinos from legacy to evrima which "makes the process faster"

[vital laurel]

they did the rig and anim for him a long time ago along with rex in the early days of evrima

[vital laurel]

they have touched up every model as cera and utah look way better now than in legacy

and re animated them

[zenith cobalt]

touching things up is different from remaking the model entirely. im sure bringing in legacy burrow isnt much different

[vital laurel]

im sure it is

to my understanding models are done in a diffrent software

and can just be import in but the code and stuff is diffrent which a burrow is

plus ppl will complain abt the low quality

[glass hollow]

I wish that the Devs can change Omni Raptors model so it doesn't look like a Jurassic Park clone

[analog ingot]

Thoughts?

[weary matrix]

Why shouldn’t there be a cap on crocodiles?

[rare fractal]

It's a bad bandaid

[small crescent]

#general-feedback message I get more jump scares going into and out of my own tab menu than anything in this game.

Its so loud i feel like other players can hear when i open it.

[neon surge]

@desert arch thanks for your help about the freezing issues the other day, I ended up cleaning out my PC to get rid of dust and limit the overheating (if that really was the problem), however it doesnt seem to help much with the issues and I've actually noticed that it IS a fatal error issue, once my screen freezes about 5 minutes after it shows this: "Fatal error: [File Unknown] [Line: 1273]" and then below that says: "GameThread timed out waiting for RenderThread after 120.00 secs" - If anyone else is having the same issue feel free to reply to this comment and if they know a fix please inform me, if there is no current fix then I wish the devs good luck with fixing this bug XD

[empty cradle]

Anyone know what causes my game to completely close out?

[weak crag]

Anyone know how to fix when I have the graphics on epic I get the same fps when they are on low?

[eager parrot]

Thats just the game, same thing for me no FPS changes even when I turn off and on Ray Tracing

[desert arch]

Do you have all your softwares up to date?

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr Locked health already exists and does exactly what you're asking for

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr So you just cant do the main activity of the game for a long time? yeah, no

[barren zephyr]

huh? Not once have I seen or felt locked health do anything useful.

[valid brook]

It is an invisible stat, not too sure on how much it actually does myself, but i know it exists

[barren zephyr]

this is not cod tho, it's not only about killing everything

[barren zephyr]

i habe heard about it but if it's real it's way too weak to make a difference

[lapis swallow]

Tell me, what other activities that can keep groups invested for hours are there

[jovial hazel]

I feel like there's 80% of the map you can be in and not have to worry about KOSers unless you're just standing around calling.

[barren zephyr]

Idk, I rarely kill and manahe to play 24 hours a week just fine.

[barren zephyr]

Not if you play deino 🙂 I can hide at the edge of the map but then I will starve.

[lapis swallow]

wait, so your issue are the canni groups?

[jovial hazel]

So theoretically, wouldn't that change hurt you even more? What if you survive an attack from a cod player. Then you can't heal for when the next one comes.

[barren zephyr]

I won't survive, cod kids are always in groups, I am solo 80% of the time. And with deino speed nerfs I can't escape if I am smaller

[jovial hazel]

You can't escape on land anymore? I have played 0 deino this update.

[lapis swallow]

So your issue really are the canni groups of deinos

[barren zephyr]

60% deino is like 0.7km/h faster than adult deino, no running away.

[jovial hazel]

But you should have more stam, at least?

I guess I can't speak for sure on that, with no experience this update.. but I can't imagine they made smaller crocs just easy prey again.

[barren zephyr]

I only play deino, I would imagine it would be similar for others.

[barren zephyr]

you die before stam matters

[lapis swallow]

dude, deinos are cannibals. they are doing nothing wrong. and no, its not similar in other species, atleast not that much

[barren zephyr]

does it mean only those 2-4 deinos deserve to play?

am I only on the server to feed them?

[lapis swallow]

no, but it means they are just cleaning up the rivers from overpopulation

[jovial hazel]

Maybe they figure out how to control group sizes in a better way when the perk system comes out.

[barren zephyr]

there is no overpopulation

[urban flax]

No since deinos kill each other

[barren zephyr]

no because there isn't overpopulation without cod kids

[lapis swallow]

there would be one if there would not be those canni duos that clean the river

[jovial hazel]

That's entirely false..

[barren zephyr]

you are delusional

[urban flax]

imo ideally there should never be more than 4 deinos per server
But you can't entirely forbid players from playing a species

[barren zephyr]

you literally just said you don't play deino

[jovial hazel]

I haven't played deino in the week since it was updated.

[barren zephyr]

KEKW holy moly you are delusional

[urban flax]

You're the one complaining about cannibalism in a cannibalistic species

[lapis swallow]

without those cannis, everyone would be able to grow AND keep their adult deino, thus leading to overpop over time. these deinos are very important for the ecosystem and are not "cod kids"

[barren zephyr]

you are so clueless, clearly you don't play deino

[urban flax]

There are people out there that know better to play the absolute unfair and boring unit that is deino

[valid brook]

please keep all chat respectful and lets not insult other users

[barren zephyr]

that's stego you are describing

[lapis swallow]

no I dont, because my the isle keeps fatal erroring. But that does not matter. I have played deino in update 6 and there were no changes to its playstyle or status as a canni. NW is the best example of what happens when deinos dont canni each other.

[urban flax]

Stego is boring too
But at least its gameplay doesn't revolve around sitting in a river all day and oneshotting people who came to drink without warning

[barren zephyr]

if you ever go NW now it's empty, maybe 1 or 2 small deinos

[lapis swallow]

good

[barren zephyr]

deino got 5 nerfs in 6.5, don't cry if you have skill issue and drink next to them

[lapis swallow]

I have been grabbed once by them, in 350 hours

[urban flax]

No matter how much deino gets nerfed, as long as it mechanic aren't changed drastically, it's gonna remain a boring and unfair playable

[lapis swallow]

yes

[jovial hazel]

There's a reason there is a group limit of 2 for deino. More than that in an area is a problem for the balance. What other dino can actually do anything about that aside from other deinos? You are complaining about a problem and its' solution at the same time, while suggesting a fix that would just nerf deino altogether, not just the ones who are still going to win because of numbers on nobrain dino.

[barren zephyr]

You can have your wrong opinion if you wish, don't try to force it on me tho tyvm

[urban flax]

yeah same

[lapis swallow]

yeah same

[crisp topaz]

So my post was deemed disrespectful because I claim to see dumb things in discord and proceed to ask about the other apex's that have been announced? But since kissen claims Rex will only be available for community servers then I guess that means all of them will be community only?

That's feedback. It wasn't rude or disrespectful. It was a validly voiced opinion. But have a nice day I guess.

[urban flax]

It was probably disrespectful in the way you worded it

[crisp topaz]

It's cuz I called it one of the dumbest things I've seen in this discord.

Idk how thats disrespectful but alright mods lol.

[icy lion]

That's been known for a long time, it's also been known that it's almost certainly temporary until more large dinos are added

And yes, it is disrespectful. There's plenty of words in the world, you're welcome to use them

[crisp topaz]

Kissen has made several comments about rex being community only and not once did she supplement those comments with "it's only temporary" or "when we have more we'll bring it in".

[icy lion]

"I greatly dislike this" -perfectly fine, please share

"This is the dumbest thing in the world" -disrespectful

[crisp topaz]

It's an opinion all the same. Just cuz someone doesn't like it doesn't mean it's not true for me. But I'm done talking about this we'll see what happens when they bring it in.

[icy lion]

These are both pinned in #isle-discussion
#isle-discussion message

#isle-discussion message

[crisp topaz]

Yeah the devs like to speak in tongues so that nobody can hold them to their word. That was a lot of reading just for them to indirectly say "if we can't balance rex, it won't come to official". So surely that speaks for all of the apex's. I mean I guess it's cool for them to play it safe but I don't agree with rex not launching on official. It's weird, it doesn't make sense, it splits the player base. All in all, if they don't have plans for rex on official, or if they're scared it wont work out due to balancing, then they shouldn't even be giving false hopes by talking about it in a capacity that we could eventually see it.

[cosmic thorn]

Can you not drop fish on the ground and eat it from the ground as a Beipi? I do that as a Ptera since eating a fish whole is far less food/diet efficient

[valid brook]

you cannot as a beipi no

[dapper heart]

@hard crystal mega-packing in a way self-balances because food supply becomes a real issue. Mixpacking does need to be addressed in some useful way. I think there needs to be a live-dino scent mechanic, then just make mixed dinos easier to smell. Or give the lesser species some kind of panic debuff.

[hard crystal]

Dont think there is a mechanic that can help with this problem.( Without being miss used, knowing the playerbase) official whitelist servers would solve all this pretty easily. Just my opinion...

[dapper heart]

Its VITALLY important that "rules" are built into the game mechanic. Enforcing rules at a behavior level is a living nightmare.

[hard crystal]

Yeah, im not an familiar how mechanics are made, but trying to think an mechanic that would help on this, always end up on how it can be miss used. And i would be happy play on whitelist servers where there would be admins enforcing "rules". Not made up "body down" rules...

[neon surge]

I honestly have no idea lol, I'll check, thanks!

[desert arch]

np!

[ember anvil]

Does server sort / filters work for anyone on evirma?

[zealous crypt]

the steam post says 6.5 is out, but none of the servers have the new dinos. what am I missing?

[valid brook]

are you on the legacy branch of evrima?

[zealous crypt]

i installed the game on steam and I'm looking at a server list. i dont see anything with 'evmira' anywhere

[valid brook]

go to your stream libary, rightclick the isle, go to properties, betas and select the drop down and click evrima

[zealous crypt]

is that a test server?

Oh, no, I just read into it. The fact that this game makes you jump through a weird ui loop to play the new, developed version is... a choice. lol. Thanks for your time and help

[valid brook]

yups. i hope you do enjoy the game

[stray spruce]

#general-feedback message
Even though I think that this can make hunting very very hard for deinos, it sounds like a change worth to try in stress test servers. They should also allow deinos to swim only with their head seen above the surface. (Not sure if this is possible for an 8t gator)

[slow blaze]

@haughty prawn deino has a alt attack btw

[haughty prawn]

expect it wont alt attack. so no. there isnt one anymore
was playing this morning..........
EDIT even with the stupid setting turned off

[slow blaze]

there is

[haughty prawn]

false

[slow blaze]

u cant run and alt attack anymore

[haughty prawn]

thanks, stop pinging me

[slow blaze]

u gotta be trottin

brotha
alt attacks have been changed and u cant alt attack while sprinting anymore
u either have to be trotting or standing still plus some alt attacks do not drain stamina

[haughty prawn]

TLDR

[slow blaze]

what

[haughty prawn]

.

thanks for random player ping spam. bye nerd

[slow blaze]

i didnt ping spam u

lmfao i pinged u once buddy

anyways deino does have a alt attack it does work u just dont have to be sprinting

thats the same with any dino that has a alt attack

[haughty prawn]

dont know what you said. buut damn... your still going. thanks nerd

still blocked

[slow blaze]

another weird islecorder

[jovial hazel]

🤣 People are weird.

[slow blaze]

for real

[haughty prawn]

.

[slow blaze]

next time u should maybe play the game a tad bit more before making a suggestion

[lapis swallow]

this is #general-feedback-discussion, the channel where you discuss general-feedback posts

[slow blaze]

they cant accept the fact that they are wrong

[haughty prawn]

go away nerd. other dumb one started this. I DONT CARE TO DISCUSS

cheers

[slow blaze]

u came here and spoke so u clearly care about it

[haughty prawn]

@slow blaze

[slow blaze]

yo wassup

[haughty prawn]

oops sorry, DIDNT MEan o start it LOL LIKE YOU DID

[slow blaze]

thats crazy

[lapis swallow]

thats crazy

[haughty prawn]

STILL BLOCKED BYE NERD

[slow blaze]

thats so crazy man

[haughty prawn]

.

[slow blaze]

so sad that a random guy in the internet blocked me

im so ashamed

[haughty prawn]

.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO GET SOME AIR AWAY FROM A MONITOR LAWLS

[slow blaze]

ok person in the internet
im going to listen to ur kind words and get air

[slow blaze]

@random hazel sorry for the ping but isnt the wellbeing thing too similar to prior extinction ?
they should go for something more different

[random hazel]

like?

what's that?

[slow blaze]

it has exactly the same things u said

its a dinosaur roblox game

[random hazel]

oh

[slow blaze]

its not a bad one

its prob one of the best roblox games its just too grindy

[random hazel]

what else would you suggest for more immersion and to encourage sticking to how your dino should be played

[slow blaze]

hmm

maybe u would gain some buffs if u are in pack as dinosaur made to be a pack animal

i would give being leader more advantages too

there is many things they can do that if i want to write them it would take at least a hour

[random hazel]

I mean they could add those and sell them under the "wellbeing" tag so it's kind of the same concept if not entirely

would it really be bad if they called it that way?

[slow blaze]

wellbeing is a weird name tho
it shouldnt be called anything tbf

since its literally how the dino is ment to be played

maybe they could make animal weaker in packs
like for example if a rex is in a huge group it would prob starve and all that

it could be buffs or just the dino being made that way

like what they did with troo

it works best in packs even if solo troodon is doable its not the best option

i might write a essay about this

[random hazel]

I think that term provides the connotation that could encourage players to properly play their dinosaurs

[slow blaze]

after i get my skin mutations essay all done with the new pigmenet mutations

[slow blaze]

maybe

[random hazel]

have to eat and go to sleep have a good day or night

[slow blaze]

Gn

[sterile parrot]

Why isn't there an ability to smell / track footprints anymore? It was really nice to be able figure out what you're tailing and what has been recently nearby. This whole compass having all the indicators except the poorly placed blood dabble on the ground is really grinding my gears. compass is too busy & tracking/stalking is not really an option. I feel like having a blood haze over a dead body that flows with wind direction or a bloody footprint that lasts longer/seen further among the normal footprints would be better then this busy compass and lack of the ability to stalk/track otherwise. Also, what is this 3 raptor icon crap on the compass for cerato lol?

[desert arch]

Those 3 red raptors show a megapack/mixpack of dinos

And its not just for cerato, every other creature has it

[sterile parrot]

AH TY for clarification its still silly though

[desert arch]

I find it rly helpful
Not getting murked by megapacks 24/7 now

[rigid hearth]

People seem to dislike the idea of cerato jumping, but I feel like it'd be fine if it's less of a run and jump thing and more of a terrain traversal one. Its size doesn't seem to be a problem, but could its body structure have made it unlikely for it to have jumped irl?

[barren crater]

Cera jumping is fine imo. It jumping while also having this current kit is overkill

[rigid hearth]

You might be right, but I just got into Evrima with the new update. I also can't say I'm unbiased since Ceratosaurus is my favorite dinosaur lol. I'd like a realistic or semi-realistic approach and if some sort of jump fits into that, I'm all for it.

[rigid hearth]

They probably wouldn't get into possible other species like Ceratosaurs dentisulcatus compared to the current Ceratosaurus nasicornis. Maybe this would be too much, but it could prove interesting to have the smaller nasicornis able to jump with the larger dentisulcatus unable to. Obviously, they could each have their own pros and cons outside of that too. This would probably be too much effort to work in for one dinosaur, but it's an interesting concept I feel

[small crescent]

#general-feedback message You arent a hunter, you are a scavenger. You are not meant to hunt other dinosaurs. So no, this suggestion is garbage because you just want another FOTM hunter, which the Cera is not. Its a scavenger and plays defensively AROUND carcasses.

I actually like the chuffing as it alerts me to any nearby dino's that might be a threat.

[barren zephyr]

@shut sail , yeah that can be annoying, but people can use that to their advantage in so many ways by just disconnecting themselves from the internet

[barren zephyr]

Even if your own pack mate is near you'll chuff

[small crescent]

Group mates should not cause chuff, that should be fixed.

[barren zephyr]

Ceratos should still be able to hunt still. Sure, its mainly a defense scavenger dino, but you will not always have dead bodies just laying around.

@limber hull , what do you have wrong with carno having an ambush like the one I suggested?

[small crescent]

All dino's can hunt but its not a hunter and should have disadvantages when being used as a hunter or when it does need to hunt(compared to other dino's specially designed to be hunters). The problem with cera is it doesnt currently so everyone is just using it as a FOTM new hunter.

[barren zephyr]

Agreed

[small crescent]

I myself as a cera main(cuz i came back specifically for this update as i havent played since stego was released) play as a hunter because lets face it running around looking for corpses isnt the most fun gameplay all the time, that and its a habit to want to be a hunter.

[barren zephyr]

I'm sorry, but I do not understand what you said. I have read it over 3 times idk. I might just be dumb

[small crescent]

If the devs want cera to be a tanky, agile(re: not fast) scavenger then they really gotta buff its defensive capabilites and come up with some sort of nerf to its "hunting" abilities.

[small crescent]

the parathesis prolly confuse that sentence.

[barren zephyr]

Im confused where it says "less face"

What does that mean?

[north quiver]

let’s face it

[barren zephyr]

Ohhh

[small crescent]

ha didnt catch that typo, thank you

[barren zephyr]

Gotcha. Sorry, was entirely confused there

[small crescent]

I have a balance idea for ceras that promote defensive scavenger over hunter.

[barren zephyr]

Please suggest it. We need some good ones rn before devs dump the game for U7

[north quiver]

I’d personally like cera stam to be nerfed Cera isn’t catching anyone with speed, it can only catch someone because of that insane stam

[small crescent]

thats part of my suggestion

[small crescent]

posted.

[barren zephyr]

Did you mean Decrease or increase their sprinting stam?

[small crescent]

key word is usage increase his usage,so he uses mroe stamina sprinting.

[barren zephyr]

I read it wrong mb

[small crescent]

Whoops, let my stego die of dyhyrdation while talking in here lol

[barren zephyr]

I agree that it should have less stam, but you are suggesting to nerf it way too strongly. It sounds good to nerf its speed...until they do it and you regret it all. 2km is a lot if you dont have much speed against dinos like teno. Bacteria should gain from all corspes, not just rotten; bacteria is your second best weapon, removing it from fresh bodies is giving ceratos a huge disadvantage by making it have to wait to eat or filling wrong diets and messing up your diet plan potentially

[small crescent]

Which is why i made the alternate buff to removing it from fresh corpses but giving the dmg and bleed resistance buff.

[barren zephyr]

It can still potentially mess up your diet plan

[small crescent]

Take a bit from fresh corpse gain dmg resist to guard the body till it starts rotting.

but its all theorycrafting as if any of the suggestions will ever be taken seriously or implemented.

[barren zephyr]

You never know

A lot of the times the devs just don't like the suggestions (I assume)

[small crescent]

But i like bouncing ideas off people and having adult debates.

[barren zephyr]

All in all, I dislike your suggestion as it nerfs ceratos way too hard

[small crescent]

8. theres a big ole red x to express that. like i said its just theorycrafting.

[barren crater]

It's a game tbf. 1.6t Teno can jump. Wouldn't be shocking to see Cera jump. But after some tweaks

[rigid hearth]

I mean, in 10 billion years when some apexes and larger mid-size carnivores get added like Allosaurus, Cerato will probably feel much less powerful

[barren zephyr]

Cerato and carno are going to get a sorta step up kinda jump or if thats not confirmed yet, lets harass the devs till they consent (joke)

[rigid hearth]

That's mainly what I'm talking about

Carno is a bit larger, but maybe it wouldn't be too crazy to see with them luscious legs

[rigid hearth]

As for this, I think most carnivores are hunters, but it depends on what prey you hunt. I don't think allowing it to get up on top of a rock really changes this.

Lol

[stone hatch]

idk bruh tbh what can and cant jump is kind of a debate, i heard one time that allosaurus could have jumped on top of stuff to pin it to the ground lmao

[rigid hearth]

I think it depends on the scale of the jump. At a certain point, it is just not worth adding. I don't think Allosaurus could jump up as much as leap forward to latch onto sauropods or something like that.

And yeah, it is kind of speculation to a degree

Cerato is also slower than Allo and Carno, but idk how much slower than Allo it'll be

[shut sail]

Fair fair, ig internet shouldn't be a thing but the game just crashing should be

you can't like crash your game willingly

and if you legit explode your entire neighborhood's light to save a dinosaur you're som else

[limber hull]

just got back from gym and a bunch of errands, but basically
A: The mechanic looked and felt terrible in legacy
B: No good reason to have such a thing
C: Ambush mechanic simply is not befitting of carno (most importantly)

I believe carno should be worked into a proper competent pursuit predator, not an ambush hunter

[barren zephyr]

Its not legacy's ambush though. Its instead an acceleration boost that I feel is needed

[limber hull]

I don't feel it needs that

I don't think it needs any form of ambush proficiency

[cold abyss]

So.. do people not know you can smell rot? i just read like 3 or 4 feedbacks saying give us a way to tell something is rotten.. like the icon literally changes when things get rotten, it gives a visual and audio queue, like its all there already.

(though Things are currently rotting way to fast, this is true)

[cosmic mica]

real

[cosmic mica]

the whole point of cerato is to be incredibly defensive over corpses. including being defensive against your group. you can see that some irl animals, while in the same pack/group, fight over a fresh kill and who gets to eat first. correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure cerato was kinda based off of hyenas and they really show that behavior.

[cosmic mica]

i feel like you think ceras should be useless while trying to hunt. i agree with the fact that they should focus on scavenging and that they shouldn't be the best hunter, but they should still be able to hunt. imo instead of nerfing them, they should buff them tremendously when they are near bodies; making them want to stay near them more and making other predators not want to fight them while they are near a body. i know that cera has a chuff buff which acts this way, but that only adds defense to them. i think they should add more benefits to the chuff buff. something like increased growing speed. something that would also be smart to add is maybe their diet not going down when they're near a body. of course they would have to tweak that because people would just drag a body to a bush and sit there and grow. it would make people want to stay near bodies and not leave them, which was the whole point in the first place. they should also make it where they get diet from rotten corpses and more diet from bones.

[valid zephyr]

@barren zephyr totally agree. The night/day length makes absolutely no sense atm.

Unless the game is set in winter near the arctic circle..... with tropical plants.

[barren zephyr]

clearly arctic

[valid zephyr]

UK midwinter has as much daylight as Spiro.

[graceful raven]

@cosmic mica but it should be a skill thing. instead you’re just stuck for no reason even though you’ve seen them coming. it’s just unfair

[cosmic mica]

ur right. although i think they should keep the locked vision while eating bc that will give the effect i said before

[urban flax]

@severe crown There could be mixpacking scent (I've heard it already exists but that would need to be double-checked)
Like when there is a large pack you see the three red raptors icons, it could also appear for mixpacks

[severe crown]

Yes but that shows for big groups of dinos regardless if im not mistaken

[urban flax]

It shows for big groups of dinos of the same species, I'm not sure if it also applies to mixpacks
If that's the case, then imo nothing more can be done

[severe crown]

Yes, and that's what im afriad of, i have heard many "soultions" to mixpacking but they all would mess up the game, but i still hold out hope for a sulution

[cyan night]

I see mentions on the ceras hunger rate. Being that this is by design, why are there still complaints about it? Its supposed to have a high hunger drain, and be difficult to support groups of ceras

[shut sail]

Yesterday the game crashed, I was a Deino fighting Ceratos and I managed to join way before them, I killed 2 because they were just standing still because they hadn't loaded in so that is also a problem, just took away 3 hours of their life because it took 30 seconds to load 💀

@ebon coyote bro if you pull back your power supply to not die in The Isle that's f crazy 😭

[empty cradle]

Would just be amazing and solve a lot of problems with colors for Dino’s if you just add a color wheel imo

[limber hull]

we really dont need a colour wheel

[empty cradle]

Why? Most colors on some Dino’s are like bland.

[limber hull]

because then we get Beast of Bermuda Barney the dinosaur

[empty cradle]

I mean I guess but I would just like to make my Dino black

Instead of a tan color

Having neon vibrant colors is a bit much imo but we can’t make our Dino full black? I’m sure many can agree on making our Dino’s black.

[barren zephyr]

That is an issue that is currently caused by human dying and maybe other dinos aswell

[barren zephyr]

I'd do it

🤣

[shut sail]

huh?

[shut sail]

atp if you care that much for a virtual dinosaur to rip your lights out all power to you 💀

[barren zephyr]

I'd shut my pc down every time I'm outnumbered as a dieno

[shut sail]

that wouldn't count

that would be the same as just hard logging

[barren zephyr]

Why not?

[shut sail]

your deino just stays there

If they made it that it works with crashes only I think that's possible

[barren zephyr]

Is that even possible to do?

[shut sail]

I believe they can with the "if you crash you keep your dino"

My lights never go out tbh so I don't care abt that

my internet explodes sometimes but it is what it is

my game crashes so much though because yk it's the isle 💀

[barren zephyr]

I don't think so

And still, it can be exploited by crashing your pc

Crashing your game is super easy

[ebon coyote]

People are crazy in this Game 🙈

[barren zephyr]

Totally not me

[ebon coyote]

@severe crown I Agree about the mixpacking.

I'm currently trying out all the new dinos, two days ago I was Cera and was at 100%. A croc then grabbed me twice, tried to pull me into the water, somehow I managed to escape and ran away from the river for a short distance so that the croc wouldn't grab me again. Directly behind me is a Troodon who was previously undisturbed by the Croc chilling by the river. He jumped me twice, on the third try I caught him and when I ate him 3 carnos ran into me from the same direction, since I took so much damage from the croc I was a oneshot.

It all happened in a matter of seconds and everyone came from the same place. There was also a lot of bodies on the river. I was a little frustrated.

[robust dome]

@outer yacht I do agree on the little locked in animation after eating being bad, but the camera being locked is, I thinkk, a good addition. Otherwise some dinos are just unkillable because they are faster, can never surprise them. It also adds more to the scary factor in the isle

[outer yacht]

Ehhhh without camera lock it becomes about player skill. Lots of people just aren’t attentive even if they’re allowed to be

Imo eating doesn’t need this extra mechanic to make it risky, because it’s already risky. Food attracts predators who might be bigger or faster or more skilled than you which means there’s already inherent risk.

[steel field]

What hapenee to bilbo's suggestion, it had 102 upvotes now it went back to 1

[outer yacht]

Bug on your end? His suggestion has 140 some upvotes on my end

[steel field]

Yea seems to be something on discord mobile that is acting weird, now its up to 143 for me

[hollow talon]

People not a fan of my poop idea, since poop is gross and stinky?
Hate to break it to you but everyone poops

[urban flax]

Honestly
The fact you have some upvotes shows how much this community has grown up over the last few years

[hollow talon]

Clearly they have never seen wombat poop!

[urban flax]

I have
It's a weird thing to bring up but if you can make an argument in favor of a pooping mechanic out of it go ahead

[hollow talon]

What if when you poop it's like a game of Tetris and the more tetrises you get the less stinky it is and the less range it shows up on the sniff bar

Or you could make a really cool tower and distract your enemies so you can get away

[urban flax]

Hmmmm forget about it xD

[cyan mountain]

@barren zephyr In my opinion night could be scarier if it was shorter than day, since "nocturnal" animals would have more initiative to hunt things since they don't have as much time to waste.

But if that isn't the case I still believe night should be shorter than day, with being able to comfortably not use nv anymore at 7am and finally nightfall happening at 8pm realistically. Overall it'd just be more beneficial in general to make day longer than night. I agree with your suggestion

[loud obsidian]

Cera bite range is BROKEN please fix this

[barren zephyr]

[fickle sleet]

@solemn sable no its dark and you can tell darker colors in night vision too

[raw hamlet]

how can i fix eac guys?

[exotic hedge]

Almost every time i log out from an official server, and Log back in my Dino is dead. No matter if its safe log or just hit logout anyone know how to fix

?*

[final nova]

Please add a way to kill yourself in game if you are stuck or something. I can't see any way to exploit your own death.

[barren zephyr]

I'm going to say it here to see if you think like me, I understand that there are crocodiles, but honestly it's mega-unbalanced, most of the deaths I have in the game are because of crocodiles. Before it was easier to drink because there were good spots, but now it's full of crocodiles that are everywhere and it's unplayable, today and yesterday there are literally only crocodiles everywhere in the rivers and areas, it seems to me a super toxic and boring gameplay. You can't nerf it, at least they don't come out of the water and hook you or if they hook you you can escape, it's just unplayable. I think that playing crocodile and the gameplay is the most toxic thing there is, it generates toxicity and rage, evrima is unplayable if there are crocodiles, they need to counter or nerf it.

[slim elbow]

imo that would be partially solved at least by adding some other aquatic apex who would rival deino, and who has not a "lunge" as deino

[barren zephyr]

@hollow swift #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 pinned messages

[barren zephyr]

I recommend you say what you just said but in fewer words and add a fix that says more than just "nerf dienos" in #general-feedback . Give them ideas on how to counter dienos otherwise they will not understand fully what you want.
I agree with you though. Dying to a dieno is the most annoying thing, yet most satisfying when you get a kill as a dieno. A fix for it might be to make it so that anything 2 tons or above has a struggle ability, the struggle mechanic will not make the dieno cost more stam, it will instead give the dieno a struggle to get you into the water by making it so you have to repeatedly spam w/a/s/d to get it into the water. The heavier the dino the harder the struggle

This is only one of the ways to fix it

Im not saying it should be done this way, but its a suggestion

[forest fern]

@sn0wcrzh you don't like seing grass all the time??? Hwat a shame

[slim elbow]

[north quiver]

imagine trying to juke out an omni or carno for 3+ or 5+ minutes straight #general-feedback message

[limber hull]

just... leave plains

like if you're juking a carno for 3-5 minutes you've clearly locked yourself in the environment where that would happen

[north quiver]

3-5 minutes seems a bit too much. the stam decay diet is going to be a wild ride and everything that has a stam cost to attacks. would a little stam buff all across the board be fine? sure, why not. but dear god.. 3-5 minutes or even 6..

[limber hull]

i'd just remove stam decay because it is honestly a horrible, horrible diet

[north quiver]

I agree with that

[limber hull]

complete meta diet that prevents any form of animals having high stam because it scales insanely well

i'd replace it with venom resist/sickness recovery

[strange wave]

big agree

[north quiver]

that’d be a nice replacement

it’d fit in well with the fracture resist diet we currently have, bleed resist, bleed regen, etc.

[limber hull]

venom resist reduces venom's potency

sickness recovery reduces the time debuffs like insanity, rapid dehydration, vomiting, rot sickness, vomit sickness and more

[ebon coyote]

I think it would already help if there were some ponds and lakes.

[rustic gale]

There will be more of that on the new map iirc so that problem will probably fix itself once that is out

[limber hull]

why are people so opposed to carno receiving some much needed love lol

[last lily]

Because: his arms are too short to sign off on them

[modest dock]

#general-feedback @little cove I actually love your idea about the dilo venom mechanism. The only part that i disagree with is disallowing players to drink for a certain amount of time. because if a player get thirsty, it can kill it really quickly. Maybe just reducing thirst cap a little bit like when you get sick could be better and much more balanced

[little cove]

Ooo I like that, maybe instead water will drain a bit faster than normal and refill a bit slower than normal, I only suggested "not being able to drink for a certain amount of time" cause when a animal has rabies it can't drink water

As a visual response to the Dilo venom (like how a visual response to Troodon venom is the animal shaking) being implemented into another animal it will foam at the mouth and in that time it's water will drain faster this may last around 2 minutes or a little less

[jade brook]

I rephrased my suggestion, since the wording might have given the wrong idea with the term "buffer"

[crisp topaz]

I feel like hearing about rex not coming to official is the only bit of isle news that I've heard that has really just pushed me over the edge. I'm not okay and I won't cope.

[midnight stirrup]

Rex isn’t permanently out of official servers. They’re putting them in community servers first to see how they will affect the ecosystem and how best to balance them. That way, they aren’t a problem for months at a time before they’re balanced/taken out of officials. Then, servers can choose to have rex on or off.

[robust dome]

@icy urchin Beipi isnt carnivorous. You can't eat corpses
And no that mechanic would allow deinos to be safe at all time so imo bad idea

[icy urchin]

@robust dome Ah right, forgot about that, makes sense then haha, my bad.

[robust dome]

tbh i also tried that first time as beipi and wondered what was wrong. i then realised... felt dumb

[icy urchin]

same xD

its such a waste tho to let it rot underwater

maybe spinosaurus will get it once its released.

@crisp topaz I believe Rex is coming to officials as AI but not anytime soon i think.

[modest dock]

Also because it will be the only apex for a moment. The ecosystem needs to be larger so rex cannot stomp on everything

[crisp topaz]

But wouldn't a majority of things currently on the roster simply be able to outrun it? Besides maybe a stego?

And let's face it. Stego's are rare. And a smart lone stego will never be spotted by a rex.

[desert arch]

If rex would come to official stego in its current form would be absolute fodder

[limber hull]

i mean, stego needs buffs if rex is to arrive, which is a very contentious change given stego's current public image

[crisp topaz]

Unless they plan to make trex as fast as a jeep, I feel like that's the extent that balance would need. Make sure 90% of the roster can simply move out of its way unless ambushed.

[limber hull]

well rex trots almost as fast as a human runs, and a human runs slightly sloer than a stego

so a sprinting rex will undoubtedly beat that speed

[icy urchin]

Fast with very little stamina sounds good

[crisp topaz]

Yep. A hulking brute with small spurts of speed.

[desert arch]

Even then rex can just trot a stego down

[limber hull]

well rex is referenced as an endurance, bloodhound style animal, so that's unlikely

it'll likely be able to endurance hunt a stego to death with its trotspedd

[icy urchin]

but scientists still don't know if rex was a hunter or a scavanger.

[limber hull]

it was a hunter

[icy urchin]

the evidence does lean towards hunter tho

but they are not sure

[desert arch]

Not like irl rex matters in terms of game balance

[crisp topaz]

Yeah

[limber hull]

and dondi wants it to be a hunter, so that is what it will be

[crisp topaz]

That's why I said unless they plan to make it as fast as a jeep. I feel like if stego gets spotted it should be able to disable the rex for a shot at getting away and if it can't disable the rex then a lone stego should be fodder in the same way that a lone teno is fodder to a group of skilled omni's.

[icy urchin]

Yeah i like it to be a hunter that is feared by all and is a terror in the night.

[limber hull]

honestly, stego being able to disable the rex is good enough for me, it doesn't need to kill if it can make it that the rex can't chase

[crisp topaz]

Yeah almost like a leg break but obviously stego doesn't have a bone break mechanic so there's room for speculation

[desert arch]

Maybe deterring the rex using bleed?

So that it wont be able to keep trotting after it

[limber hull]

bleed is, frankly, a horrible deterrent

offensively, yes it's good, defensively, pretty horrible

[desert arch]

Giving bone break to a stego doesnt sound fun either

[crisp topaz]

I think the only thing that would make a bleed deterrent effective was if rex in itself was massively weak to bleed damage.

But that's probably not happening

[limber hull]

which doesn't seem great

[desert arch]

Or stego is just buffed in terms of stats so it doesnt have to rely on questionable mechanics to survive a rex :p

[crisp topaz]

I will say they could add a mechanic where if a rex steps over the stego to take a bite, and the stego swings it's tail hitting the rex in the legs, they could make it do critical damages as a sort of counter play to Rex's trying to much on them like tacos.

[limber hull]

that'd be nice

[crisp topaz]

And have it to where that mechanic only affects Rex's or it could affect all sauropods that get hit in the legs.

I think buffing stegos health only delays the inevitable against something like a rex.

[urban flax]

I greatly despise the idea of a mechanic affecting exclusively one playable

[limber hull]

no thanks, no "animal exclusive" mechanics

[desert arch]

Then small things can just keep biting the sauropods ankles to kill them, which defeats their entire niche to being immune to most of the roster

[limber hull]

i hate the "we have no ideas on how to solve this matchup, so here's a unique anti-playable mechanic"

like bary slamming deino jaws shut

[crisp topaz]

It's a stego. It would make sense for a rex to get incredibly hurt in its legs by a tail swing. But that's just me.

Similar to a headshot.

[icy urchin]

like stepping on a lego brick, yikes

[urban flax]

But why would rex specifically be incredibly hurt if hit in the legs specifically by a stego specifically ?

[icy urchin]

@urban flax Cuz its like me hitting you in the nuts

[crisp topaz]

That's the best example I couldn't think of lol

[icy urchin]

lmao

[crisp topaz]

It could be something that stego can apply to all sauropods or it can be applied to only the rex to give stego vs rex match up some sort of counter play. Otherwise a hulking rex can walk right over a stego and kill it in a couple of bites surely.

[icy urchin]

And nobody would like to play stego then

[rustic gale]

Not everything needs to be counterable. I hope they don’t release a Rex that I a joke like the one in legacy. It should be one of the more fearful land apexes just like how a Deino makes you feel when you approach water

[crisp topaz]

I agree with you purely. I'm just speaking from a place where rex isn't released on official cuz they can't figure out how to balance it.

I'm absolutely okay with releasing rex in the state they want and letting it go wild.

[rustic gale]

That too would be fine but people are bound to complain about it leading to nerfs that’s probably why they settled on it being AI, for me personally if I want the Rex experience myself I’ll just go unofficial

[icy urchin]

Rex is the whole reason they rewrite the whole game from scratch, they want it to be fun for every playable not just a few.

Its good that they take the time to think about it

i mean going in circles and biting eachother to death wasnt fun in the isle

[crisp topaz]

If rex gets released to unofficial and never comes to official, it'll be an official mod without official support. That's a first if you ask me.

[icy urchin]

most people play on unofficial anyways

[barren crater]

Not really

[crisp topaz]

Say that to all the full official servers

[barren crater]

^ People go to unofficials because officials are too full

[icy urchin]

yeah m2

[barren crater]

But on Rex, I think it's way too early for it. Especially when there's no larger mid tier. Once it gets to like 2t nothing touches it

On officials *