general-feedback-discussion

[rare fractal]

Even without that buff being technically active

Because the math there would somewhat check out

[north quiver]

I’d suggest testing it out if you haven’t this update

[barren zephyr]

No, the 25% buff isnt activated if youre only getting 60 seconds of runtime

[rare fractal]

It would have to be unless Carno got a 25% stam shadow buff

Because pre 6 it was 45, now it’s base is 60ish which is consistent with the stam buff diet

And considering how busted diet buffs are already it wouldn’t surprise me if it was somehow double stacking

[barren zephyr]

Carno was buffed in its stam ig

[rare fractal]

Not according to any patch notes that exist :p

Which is why I think it’s a diet bug

[barren zephyr]

I am fairly certain it was 58 seconds in U4 aswell

I'll go see old videos of U4 amd see how long they run

[rare fractal]

I know with accel timing you could get to up to a minute or more

Kinda like legacy allo but less busted

Wasn’t practical during hunts but for travel it’s useful

Actually irrespective of the timing….the point still stands

Your stam economy and carnos poor bleed resistance means that even if you have the most basic LOS on the Carno, you can catch up to it

It has to sit down quickly after a few pounces or it bleeds out

Regardless, Carno still had the advantage

Which it should, that’s it’s only purpose in the game basically

[north quiver]

if anyone wants to repost the suggestion I posted I’ll delete mine to make way for the post

dyno decided to get funky

[rare fractal]

Yeah I can do it

Did you include one of the nono words?

[north quiver]

ty and no. Just look up a little bit in suggestions

[rare fractal]

Oh it’s still there, what’s the issue with it?

[north quiver]

dyno only added the x. it’s being funky with other people too and not adding full votes

[rare fractal]

Oh ok

[north quiver]

unfortunately we’re not allowed to add reactions in general feedback unlike in balance feedback

[rare fractal]

For some reason I cant save those screenshots

Would you mind just text?

[north quiver]

sure. here are the screenshots and if you still can’t save them or copy them then just do text yea (I’ll send them one at a time)

[rare fractal]

Yeah it just hates them for some reason xD

[barren zephyr]

You didn't SS we dryoo cave in there

Get an ss of those caves

Bruh 😂

[north quiver]

I don’t think I know where dryo cave is

[rare fractal]

It’d be weird to have a food spawn in a hiding spot

[barren zephyr]

He didnt get them either 😂

No votes

That's actually not funny

[rare fractal]

Dyno called in sick

[barren zephyr]

Dyno needs to be fired

[north quiver]

the map really does need some different food spawns though and finally get some food spawns in the unused areas. the slight food spawn move that came with this update changed things up a little bit at least and was interesting for a little while before it delved back into repetition of where to go for food (very excited for migration when gateway comes)

[rare fractal]

I doubt the old map will get touched up much at all

Tho I wouldn’t mind it one bit

Because Spiro is painful to exist within

[north quiver]

yea. I’d mostly like a small quality of life update while we wait for gateway

[rare fractal]

6.5 is going to have a bunch of QOL stuff in it tbf

Most notably some fixes for Carno

But not sure on map stuff

[north quiver]

it’d be nice to get some map improvements along with everything

I wouldn’t complain at all haha

[frank osprey]

another week of silence from the devs lmfao

Remember when we had weekly updates and not just phase two

[north quiver]

I feel like they’re going to put something out on the 30th. seems like they’re doing it at the end of each month now? my best guess

[south oar]

Thats what's been happening

[rare fractal]

@neon oak Omni isn’t particularly in need of balancing itself, it’s actually the most balanced it’s ever been. Unfortunately carnos charge hitbox being broken and spiros poor map design have built the perception of Omni being underpowered, which it isn’t, it’s just unfairly countered by a single attack hitbox that’s 3 times it’s intended size

[limber hull]

Also, utahraptor is a name for a different animal now

(an actual utahraptor)

[rare fractal]

Oh yeah I didn’t even feel the need to address that

But yes Utah is an entirely different unmade playable now

[uneven mist]

@crystal trail funny dyno don’t react no more

[stone mantle]

also not a lot of good matchups in the current roster imo

dinos like maia and diablo may be more suitable prey for packs

[limber hull]

very true

many animals in the current game are built to beat its ass lol

the addition of galli, troodon and beipi will certainly open its field of viable prey items

[stone mantle]

yeah, huge jump between like teno and stego

[limber hull]

teno is arguably omni's best matchup

in terms of "is bigger and not a hard counter to it"

[stone mantle]

mhm

nothing that's really in between it and stego in terms of size currently

[limber hull]

stego is flank defence king, deino has 1/2 bleed resist, meaning it has almost 3x the effective bloodpool of stego, carno is meant to hunt omni (not the other way around), pachy is meant to bully the hell out of omni

[stone mantle]

cerato will also be a bad matchup for it since it has bleed resist

[limber hull]

yep

and it can one-tap omni to the head with charge bite

[stone mantle]

i imagine that's going to be subject to change during the stress test and future patches, no?

[lucid mauve]

Charge bite, they copying that from pot to : P

[limber hull]

yes because PoT copyrighted the idea of that

[tepid gate]

shhhh, don't scare them away from copying good stuff

if something is good COPY IT IMMEDIATELY

[lapis swallow]

The charge bite idea is good if they wont do it on like 20 playables

[limber hull]

i really like how the most generic possible attack is apparently PoT only

[stone mantle]

video games have been doing charged attacks for a looooooooong time before PoT or The Isle came out lmao

[urban flax]

Charged attacks don't make sense in most cases

[limber hull]

like, charge bite isn't at all really a creative or unique thing, I'd argue it's the safest and easiest possible option (and The Isle limiting it to some animals is better than every single animal getting it imho)

[lapis swallow]

But life will be much better for omni after 6.5. 3 more prey items and less carno players

[tepid gate]

they work decently fine in PoT

they are bad on slow creatures that don't choose their fights though

e.g. Spinosaurus there is really bad with charged bite lest you go the aquatic build and just murder things in the water with it

I think the same will go for TI

[limber hull]

I mean, in The Isle, the only animal that HAS a charged bite is the animal which doesn't usually pick its fights

IDK, I think it's fine for what it aims to achieve. Scare the predator away with threat of big-ass damage

[lucid mauve]

lol good, its the worste thing ever. let me open my mouth so you can see me getting ready for an attack : P

[tepid gate]

note that in PoT using the charged bite puts your attacks on a rather lengthy coolown

if this isnt the case in Evrima

then I think it's going to be fine

[limber hull]

The Isle doesn't really have that cooldown stuff so I'd assume it'd probably eat stam if it did anything

[tepid gate]

yea that's not an issue imo

[limber hull]

It might not even do that

Could just be the whole "you have to commit" drawback

[tepid gate]

we will see I expect it to eat up some stamina

I think it'd be fine if you could just cancel it

[lucid mauve]

And then add a huge sound on it aswell, so if you ambush they get a 3 sec warning : P

[tepid gate]

I dont think Cerato is meant to be an ambush predator

[limber hull]

It doesn't need that, the thing groans and scuffs and growls like a monster

[stone mantle]

i'd imagine it'd be more like recovery frames like in dark souls than mmo-style cooldowns

[limber hull]

It's not going to be good at ambush

Charge bite loud

[stone mantle]

it's not even meant to be a hunter

[tepid gate]

that could be bad tbh, it'd open it to being punished in that window I think

[limber hull]

Listen to this thing
https://youtu.be/Wb8JoZbUQSo

[stone mantle]

its toolkit is designed to bully other dinos off carcasses and guard it

[limber hull]

It's not ambushing anything with all that growling and scuffing

[tepid gate]

I think it will be hunting stuff it will probably just be worse at it than some other carnivores

[lucid mauve]

Im talking when u charge it up, the bite itself can make sound.

[limber hull]

Yes

Look at the video, the charge makes SO MUCH sound

[lucid mauve]

yea, another skilless thing. Let me just make this huge sound before i attack u lol

[limber hull]

What??

[urban flax]

The bite itself's sound and animation are kinda underwhelming tho

[limber hull]

The rev up is really cool tho lol

[lapis swallow]

A attack that can oneshot a lot of stuff should be well telegraphed, with sound and looks

[limber hull]

What does that have to do with skill tho

[urban flax]

Yes
Reminds me of Monster Hunter's greatsword charged attacks

[stone mantle]

did the damage from the first, non-charged bite get healed in the video? if not that means the charged bite might not be a one-shot for omni

[limber hull]

The charge being loud is an excellent balancing factor to help players react to it

[urban flax]

But greatsword charged attack animations pack a lot of punch in MH

[limber hull]

It did get healed, so headshots on omni will likely kill it

[lucid mauve]

Its like playing rex but but before you gonna ambush me i get a warning for not paying attention

[limber hull]

Yea, cera isn't an ambush hunter though

[stone mantle]

oh might've missed it

[limber hull]

So that's a terrible comparison

"My big bully animal designed to loudly scare things away from kills isn't also a sneaky ambush hunter!"

Oh no

[stone mantle]

😱

[limber hull]

Almost like there are specific playstyles with areas they're good and bad in

[lapis swallow]

[lucid mauve]

?

[limber hull]

I don't understand the confusion lol

Cera = bad ambush hunter, so its charge bite being terrible at ambushing isn't surprising (I'd be more upset if it were a good ambusher)

Bary more than likely will be your best shot at getting an ambush hunter in that size range, since both carno and cera ain't it

[lucid mauve]

Your missing the point, just like you did last time with nesting. And if i explain, you gonna say "what"

[limber hull]

Yea, not explaining is really helping me understand your point

I still don't know why cera being loud while charging is a bad thing

And you seem to refuse to explain

So I guess that's it then lol

[lyric vault]

Sucho might have a shot at it.

Or Albert

[limber hull]

albert is basically an entire size over cera and carno

[modern cedar]

@tiny trout Legacy is the original one , it's Evrima who have to stay in beta for the moment , he's not finish

[barren zephyr]

@maiden epoch dinos will not have VC though humans will

Or idk if dinos will but hopefully not

[icy lion]

They're making a suggestion for the discord

[maiden epoch]

Wha- bro i mean in discord

[barren zephyr]

Oh mb

[stray onyx]

Any animal in the isle can be an “ambusher” as it’s more or less playstyle choice than anything. Cera isn’t theoretical going to be optimized for that playstyle due to its loud charge bite. It’s more of a rush down dinosaur. Attack as many times as possible without dying.

[faint folio]

I doubt it will even be a rush down dino. Last I heard it was gonna be slow and fairly tanky.... Given the scavenger niche and the described bully tendencies, I suspect cerato is very much specializing in stealing kills from other carnivores

Sure, you hear it coming, but that's kind of the point. Abandon your food or buckle down for a tough fight

Maybe that has changed though... It's been a bit since I last heard about cerato

[stray onyx]

Ether way I am excited for it

I’m excited for all of them

[stray onyx]

This however now makes me wonder an interesting question... how is it going to survive from infant to adult? It can’t really bully dinosaurs at that stage unless they are baby’s. Then again isn’t cerato going to be the one dinosaur capable of eating from rotten carcasses?

[uneven mist]

It will be a scavenger yes so it will eat mostly everything

[grand swan]

Probably rely mostly off of rotten meat that other dinos have left behind at first then as it gets bigger it can go after fresher kills that still have dinos eating and try to bully them out of it

[proud coral]

Ptera has no real need for a buff. It's honestly the best creature in the roster since it can just fly away from any threat.

[brittle kiln]

ptera is a scavenger because he doesnt have damage enough to be a hunter :T

bite force 20 is unfair
i can have more bite force playing 10 minutes with deino

[modern cedar]

Ptera isn’t a hunter , only a juvi killer and grabbing fish

[proud coral]

Mmmhm. If you wanna hunt things, Ptera isn't the best choice. (unless you wanna hunt very small things like certain juvies and hatchlings)

[tall hearth]

@modern cedar we got the maia concept art in the last dev blog. figured id tag you here since theres no phase 3 discussion lol

[modern cedar]

Oh okay i didn’t see him

[tall hearth]

the deinocheirus concept art was also in the same dev blog as the maia concept. it pays to read them if you can

[desert quarry]

Yet ptera gets sick from eating rotting corpses.

[brittle kiln]

oh it's true
Pteranodon is not even suitable for being a scavenger because he gets sick eating carcasses Ç_Ç
I don't know.. he just catches fish and dies for anything in two attacks its a little unfair for me ;-;

[limber hull]

it can also fly

something we all seem to be overlooking here

[stray onyx]

It’s ability to stay in the air is one of its best abilities. Allowing it to virtually never need to be on the ground. It’s also the shortest grow time of all the carnivores

[shy turtle]

Once there's more smaller playables I'm sure Ptera will be more fun to hunt with

[icy lion]

@brittle kiln That already exists, the channel is just only visible to the devs #general-feedback-discussion message

[stone mantle]

yeah, but since we can't see it we don't know whether suggestions are officially approved or not by the devs, which leads to a lot of redundant posts imo

[icy lion]

Suggestions that have an extra reaction get moved

We can see which ones go to direct dev consideration

[stone mantle]

do they remain visible to us? i don't think i've seen any suggestions with additional reactions from the devs so far

[limber hull]

ive seen it'

[icy lion]

They do

[stone mantle]

scrolled up a bit and haven't found one, so dev reactions are very easily missed

a dedicated channel where suggestions are archived when they get a dev reaction would be nice

[faint folio]

Out of curiosity which reaction is used to indicate suggestions that were moved?

I feel like knowing what to look for would help

[icy lion]

I don't know if there's a specific one, but only devs can add extra reactions in there

[faint folio]

Ah okay, ty!

[weak sail]

@icy lion do know whats happening w NA 4

[icy lion]

Huh?

[modern cedar]

what is the problem ?

[icy lion]

Their suggestion was to move evrima from the beta branch to the main branch

[undone iris]

Current research is agreeing that more than likely they could too, as other croc species more landbased were capable as well.
At least for the juveniles and small adults. Considering most players dont even make it to adulthood unless lucky, i think thats a fair tradeoff for the younger ones, who are arguably smaller than fg gators and crocs of today.

[sage yew]

I was away for a few month, did anything happened in that time?

[thick cobalt]

@vocal pecan I think that would a be a good idea, but it should take a good chunk of stamina to do so

[vocal pecan]

^ I like the stamina idea. Makes it less likely people would use it. Definitely a last resort, a "if I don't move, I will literally die" type of thing

[stone mantle]

maybe make it trigger when holding shift+wasd?

[vocal pecan]

Holding shift may be an odd combination especially since nothing happens when simply pressing WASD while downed in this current version. Might be an unnecessary button, but maybe it could speed the process like a scrambling "sprint"?

[rare fractal]

There shouldn't be any movement controls when knocked down aside from super basic repositioning

The point of a stun is to prevent movement in the first place

[tidal prawn]

@neon oak we wont get an answer I bet but tbh I hate to wait so long devblog didnt say anything specific window or hint just the same they always say

[stray onyx]

It’s up to us to speculate. I suspect it will be another month before it releases based on how the game is currently going in terms of production. However, even if a due date isn’t hinted at, we do get some information about Cerato if you look close enough. It specifically sounds like in one section of the dev blog that Cerato is definitely designed to out class Carno in terms of strength, it will take less damage and do more to it most likely and it will be infecting it along the way. However I’m pretty sure in terms of speed Carno will still be faster, so at least if it’s loosing it can run.

[tall hearth]

@maiden anvil I'd love better hearing while sniffing. Am idea that could go with it is the camera zooms in on your dino slowly, to emphasize it "focusing" on listening or smelling.

Or even auto zooming the camera could effect sound volume and how easy/hard it is to pinpoint something directionally.

I'd be ok if carnis had to stop moving to listen better as well, as they have to be able to hear over themselves

[maiden anvil]

Honestly any form of better hearing is great to me. Good idea you have there👍

[lapis swallow]

Me sneaking up to sniffing people to destroy their ears with 1-calls

[rancid raptor]

@maiden anvil you have the best ideas

[maiden anvil]

Much appreciate it

[blissful pilot]

Hi I've posted a feedback yesterday. Can I repost it again now or it will count as a spam ?

[lapis swallow]

I guess so. You already submitted your feedback. And please dont bump, its weird

[prisma stump]

Wait guys is ceratosaurs only weighing 500 kg?

[sacred prairie]

No 250

[prisma stump]

what's up with that?

[prisma stump]

not true

[sacred prairie]

Idk tbh we will see the actual weight in stress test streams or in the game when the time comes

[prisma stump]

yeah just weird it says 500kg lol

[sacred prairie]

Yeah

[urban flax]

Have you read the name of the picture ?

[prisma stump]

yeah wait it used to weight more than 500kg

how is it gonna challenge carno then?

[urban flax]

No what I mean is that it's called "unhelpful documentation"
It's literally Dondi testing how gullible people are and how much they believe documents without reading the context

[limber hull]

Its also canonically a juvi

[uneven mist]

That’s a juvi

[prisma stump]

aight that's what I hoped for

[prisma stump]

huh?

[limber hull]

(it's probably still not bigger than a carno tho if you're wondering)

[limber hull]

the file is called "unhelpful documentation"

[prisma stump]

where does it even say that

ahh I see

so he made that for juvies

[urban flax]

Not necessarily
He made lore documents, not gameplay documents

[prisma stump]

wait how big was Ceratosaurus irl was there different kinds of Ceratosaurus or was the estimate rly 500 ish kg?

[urban flax]

Irl it was around 1 ton

[uneven mist]

The biggest estimate was 1-1.1 tons

[prisma stump]

dang it was 2.2t in legacy

I'm used to it that way now

[uneven mist]

Legacy heavily oversizes it’s animals

[urban flax]

I don't think there was a single dino that had accurate weight in legacy

[prisma stump]

lol

I was gaslighted

[limber hull]

It likely will be a lot more lightweight in EVRIMA tbh

[barren zephyr]

@pine dock it would be better if they added it as a biome to a bigger map in my opinion

[obsidian sphinx]

it looked quite small compared to omni in charged bite demo, my guess is between 500-750 kg.

[uneven mist]

That cera in the document was a juvi + cera is just short, it’s still said to be big

[barren crater]

It needs to compete with Carno, so it will definitely be sizeable. 1t+

[uneven mist]

1.3-1.4 ton is my guess and what I personally want

[barren crater]

I hope for it to be that large as well

[obsidian sphinx]

hmm.. maybe the charged bite will deal bone break if it is less than 1 ton to deal with carnos.

[barren crater]

Nah. Fractures in that case will change a lot of Cerato's matchups. Omni, Pachy, Teno & Carno for now. Also the future roster. It will be essentially untouchable near its size range

Also not sure how it would punch up to creatures such as Allo & Alberto

I'd rather Cerato not deal fractures

[limber hull]

cera already has one unique dissuasion tool with bacteria

it really does not need fractures thrown on top, that's overdoing it

[obsidian sphinx]

Cerato is in tough spot it is slow, only has faster turn rate which doesnt make it agile as it cant pounce/stun overly aggressive attackers. Also somehow its playstyle is defensive, my guess is it will charge up its bite to warn its attackers that it can break bones as a last wall of defense and also play role of ambushing pachys in current version.The bone break is not full proof eg. headshoting a pachy would break its own jaw.

[urban flax]

Also fractures to things under 1 ton wouldn't help against carnos...

[limber hull]

it's not going to help ambushing at all

cera's charge bite is loud and extremely telegraphed

[urban flax]

Cera shouldn't really be ambushing anything

[limber hull]

also, fractures is not required at all

bacterial bite is perfect for what cera wants

[obsidian sphinx]

bacterial bite seems like DoT not good against 3 carnos charging into u.

[limber hull]

It's not even DoT

It's not venom

It causes the victim to throw up

[barren crater]

3 carnos = death in the open

[limber hull]

we already know what charge bite is meant to do to. Heavy damage + heavy bacteria application

also, yea, you aren't doing ANYTHING against 3 carnos as a lone cera in the open. Accept death

[barren crater]

You were outnumbered

[obsidian sphinx]

it doesnt matter if victim throws up after u are dead

[limber hull]

So don't die

[obsidian sphinx]

well thats not in cera's hand cera would be in mercy of its attackers

[limber hull]

i feel like if you're in the plains against 3 carnos, cera or not, you're kinda screwed

[barren crater]

Not quite true. Cerato is better in a lot of terrains when compared to Carno

[limber hull]

that's like saying teno should fight off 3 carnos. it shouldn't

[urban flax]

Cera soloing 3 carnos is a lot to ask for

[limber hull]

pick literally ANYWHERE but the open plains to spend most of your time

forests, coasts, riversides, lakes, ponds, swamps, dense jungle

literally anywhere but the one place carno has the hefty advantage

[obsidian sphinx]

what about one good carno? how would a cera defend against it it has no agility cant stun,cant parry?

[limber hull]

we don't know about the agility, we just know it isn't too fast

[barren crater]

Dodge the charge. Make it brawl you

[urban flax]

If the charged bite applies stagger (not confirmed but could be a thing) then it'd be effectively a parry

[barren crater]

Stuff like that

[limber hull]

i kinda hope it doesn't tho lol

cera being a non-stagger brawler is interesting

considering we have the stagger brawler king that is teno

[barren crater]

Also staggers guarantee you vomiting + Taking an insane amount of damage in one cycle

[limber hull]

also i have lots of bets running on cera being humbled en-masse by tenontos

due to their weights, speeds and damages

giving cera fractures is another of the plentiful examples of power-scaling the hell out of it for no reason

community needs to calm down on cera buffs until they actually know anything about cera

[urban flax]

Cera should be 2 tons at least

And be immune to stagger

[barren crater]

boo this man

[limber hull]

KILL this guy

[urban flax]

You can't kill those who are already dead

[obsidian sphinx]

Ceratosaurus- "new meat eating punching bag that only wins in a staggerless facetank?."

[barren crater]

Where did you get that from though?

Oh... The Teno take lmao

[obsidian sphinx]

atleast teno can stagger with its kicks and tail slam.

[limber hull]

can't stagger and fracture everything
useless

forget the literal list of other benefits it has

it cant stagger or fracture

bleed resist, straight damage resist while eating, sceptic bite, regular bite does fast but low damage for consistent DPS, while it can also burst damage with sceptic bite, vomit decreases valuable resources like food, water, nutrients and stamina, forcing opponents to retreat

but it cant stagger so bad

[obsidian sphinx]

oh opponents will retreat after it is dead.

[barren crater]

Fast swimmer, can alt bite in water as well

[limber hull]

forgot about that

another to the list

[limber hull]

thats what people said about pachy

clearly not the case now

maybe chill on the "all is lost, cera is trash" mindset

[north quiver]

cera do be sounding like a stego but with a carnivore label slapped onto it ngl with all those benefits lmao unkillable (though I know it won’t be. hopefully..)

[obsidian sphinx]

unless it can stun and bonebreak like a pachy?

[limber hull]

it doesnt need that

that would make it insanely overpowered

[obsidian sphinx]

like a juvie stego, very good punching bag.

[limber hull]

lmao doomerism to the nines

[barren crater]

How do you get all that and think it's bad?

I'm lost. Which matchups do you think it's just going to die without any hope?

[north quiver]

I theorize cera will probably be around the same speed as teno and might be faster (since teno can stun it apparently) and have around the same amount of stam. cera isn’t going to be punched around by anything out of its control it looks like

[obsidian sphinx]

Cera vs Carno:- Carno keeps its distance and keeps charging into it without letting cera get a single bite.

Cera vs Pachy :- Pachy bonks cera foot gone

[north quiver]

carno will get stunned if it tries charging at it I’m 99% sure

[barren crater]

You do realise you're just basing that off update 6 balance, right?

Balance changes constantly

[north quiver]

pachy won’t stun or bonebreak cera (correct me if I’m wrong)

[barren crater]

Nothing's been said about stun or fracture resistance for Cerato so doubt

[obsidian sphinx]

Cera vs Teno:- One bite for 2 tail slams

[barren crater]

Anyways, Cerato will be fine. Balance always changes per update and the fact that we're getting 4 playables? It's guaranteed. I wouldn't look at the current balance and base Cerato off it

[limber hull]

i sure hope not

that'd be terrible

[obsidian sphinx]

Cera vs 2.5 ton Deino:- gets drowned

[limber hull]

yea

that's deino for you, idk what to tell you

[north quiver]

either stunned or it can indeed charge and not get stunned, but it risks getting a nasty bite from the cera if the cera isn’t able to be stunned

[limber hull]

i hope cera can get stunned/knocked out by a charge

i think stun resistance is a ridiculous idea

[north quiver]

then its going to need to get changes in other areas. it’d be slow, not very mobile, able to get stunned by the spammable ram mechanic, etc.

[limber hull]

the ram isn't going to be moon-sized with U6.5

cera more than likely can dodge

[north quiver]

hopefully they put a cap on tail damage then for the ram

[limber hull]

why would they need that?

[barren crater]

There is one.

Tip of the tail damage is 10%
Base is 40%

The hitbox is just landing on your body

Or base

[limber hull]

because its broken

[barren crater]

Yeah

[north quiver]

by the cap I mean it shouldn’t be able to drop the health below a certain % (not including the base of the tail)

[limber hull]

why tho

[north quiver]

in other words, it shouldn’t kill you with blunt damage (bleed is another topic)

[limber hull]

why specifically charge

[north quiver]

because tail clipping

[barren crater]

Ah no. Omni's will then be able to tank a base of the tail hit

[north quiver]

I wouldn’t mind damage in general actually

[barren crater]

From Stego

Actually nvm, they'll die

[north quiver]

I said excluding the base of the tail

[barren crater]

I'm stupid

My bad lmao

[north quiver]

all g

[barren crater]

But charge deals 30n of damage on the tail tip.

You'd need 44 charges to kill a Cerato if it's 1300kg

[north quiver]

what about the middle of the tail?

and bites to those areas?

[barren crater]

Not sure what that would count as. I think tip takes a decent portion, but it's either 10 or 40%

So it can only count as tip of the tail or base

[north quiver]

ah

imagine smashing your pinky and dying instantly

under no circumstances should tail tip biting kill someone with blunt damage in any form

same with the charge

[obsidian sphinx]

maybe other buff like if cera is charging its bite it is immune to stun.

[limber hull]

why tho

imagine charging a bite and suddenly not being allowed to be grabbed by deinos

[obsidian sphinx]

no it can be grabbed but cant get stun in place

or knockdowned

[north quiver]

I think they’re referring to land dino stuns like carno’s ram, pachy bonk, and teno’s slam/kick

[limber hull]

so a rex headswing = nothing i guess

charging a bite get screwed

stun immunity should never be a thing

[north quiver]

it’d probably have limits I’d imagine just like carno’s ram and how the carno gets stunned if it rams a stego

[limber hull]

then its not stun immunity

also artificially making a cera go from "lighter than a carno" to "staggering a carno as if it were the same size as a stego" is kinda silly

[north quiver]

are the devs currently planning to have cera stagger a carno if it rams it, or are they planning for cera to just be immune to the carno’s ram (without the carno getting stunned from ramming)?

[limber hull]

id rather neither

id rather cera gets knocked down/stunned by a charging carno

[barren crater]

We don't know currently

[limber hull]

countered by moving the hell out of the way

[north quiver]

but what are they planning is the question

[north quiver]

oh

[urban flax]

Since they haven't said anything I don't think Cera will have a special treatment

[north quiver]

hopefully

I’m sure cera will be balanced with care. I doubt they’d let it be a punching bag like the current pachy vs teno matchup and I also doubt they’ll let it be the new meta go-to for killing

[uneven mist]

They haven’t told us anything about that nor do I think they plan to

[uneven mist]

The best way to make cera not a punching bag is to nerf and balance pachy and carno

Especially carnos charge and pachys ram stun

[barren zephyr]

@final mango I love that idea! It solves so many problems for the carno

[low vapor]

@keen turtle Extreme storms are possible, but I don't understand why you say 'however they aren't as serious as they would be back in that time'. You do realize this game includes humans meaning we aren't playing as dinosaurs in the past, but rather reincarnated ones.

[keen turtle]

Yes, I realize that. When I said what I said, I had referred back to the thunderstorms in legacy. What I meant by this in my suggestion was to intensify the storms, make it harder and more interesting to survive. Give you something else to focus on in the survival aspect that encourages you to seek shelter and find your safe-havens. Storms shouldn't happen as often as they do in legacy, but it would be a really cool aspect if we had something to be more aware of instead of just other dinosaurs, or humans.

[low vapor]

Ah ok, I thought you mistaken The Isle for a game based on dinosaurs in the past lmao. My bad m8

[keen turtle]

All good! I understood what you meant, no worries!

[tepid gate]

25%* for the base of the tail that is

[tepid gate]

tail clipping Carno doesn't oneshot... much of anything really? Even a Dryo survives tailhits from the charge, the issue isn't the damage, it's the dumb hitbox(that's been apparently fixed ages ago on the QA/ST build.

you effectively can get hit with a bodyshot or possibly maybe even a headshot if Carno seemingly hits your tail

because the 5m wide hitbox of the charge goes brrr

[stray onyx]

The reason cera is being made stun immune to the Carno is due to its stout and chunky body and heavy weight. The Carno could fight a Cera but it have to know the risks of the Ceras incredible charged bite and bacterial damage.

[limber hull]

A: We have no confirmation it will be immune to stuns to a carno
B: It's more than likely lighter than a carno

[stray onyx]

While true it’s not confirmed. In the dev blog 36 it is hinted to the fact that a Carno vs Cera fight will be more than likely a Cera victory

[limber hull]

I'd hope due to cera skill, not because it's just immune to everything carno can throw at it

Because one's interesting and engaging, and the other is making another stego/deino

And despite despising stego and everything it stands for, the community really wants cera to be another one

[tepid gate]

Dondi implied that there wouldn't be a side with a clear upper hand in this fight

it will presumably depend on the circumstances

[limber hull]

Mostly environment I'd imagine

Although it'd also come down to skill

A cera in the middle of dry, empty plains simply isn't out-performing a competent carno

A carno in the middle of a swamp or forest will have very little room to use its strongest move and will have to either leave or die because cera will be infinitely more capable in those environments

But then again, a skilled cera or skilled carno will know what biomes are weakpoints and not go running headfirst into dangerous territory

[stray onyx]

I do hope it’s more like that, I prefer skill over just straight OP

[keen turtle]

@night spear I agree with you! That would make things definitely more interesting for the game!

[night spear]

yes :D

[rare fractal]

Ideally Cera isn’t immune to carnos influence by its sheer existence alone

[north quiver]

god yes please implement troodon singing

[fathom cliff]

so question......why pterdactylus concept art when it's already in the game???

[queen ember]

@proud coral my way to counter the shopping list issue in the future would be to first remove preferred species

Next diets should drain much slower so you are still encouraged to eat the meat of the animal instead of I hunted but now need more organs from something else. You still gotta hunt but you are more lenient on what you eat

Third would be to give organs values of food based on size not just filling to 50% regardless. Along with that the activation thing should be removed cause cases come where you eat organs but cause it goes to 50% you need another. Problem is that they also go down so even with another organ it goes to just barely enough to activate when in theory it would take two. Just feels uneeded

[feral solstice]

I’d also implement Wyatts idea where if you’re nearly full on food and water, you’ll drastically improve your diet stats.

So it encourages you to stay full

So far,

Hunger for Herbis:

67% +
Buffed HP regen

33%+
Neutral

33%-
Nerfed HP regen
Nerfed Attack Power
Buffed Stamina decay

Hunger for Carnis:

67% +
Buffed HP regen

33%+
Neutral

33%-
Nerfed HP regen
Nerfed Stamina decay
Buffed Attack Power

Thirst for both

67% +
Buffed Locked HP regen
Buffed Bleed regen
Buffed Fracture regen

33%+
Neutral

33%-
Nerfed Locked HP regen
Nerfed Bleed regen
Nerfed Fracture regen
Buffed Scent range

punishes afk and benefits active players. Of course the numbers would have to be decided but here’s the idea

[limber hull]

buffed attack power for low food

please no

I had a similar idea, except with less stat buffs (because I think stat buffs tied to food is bad). Have diet decay link to stomach.

100% stomach = 1/2 nutrient decay rate
50% stomach = 1:1 nutrient decay rate with stomach
1% stomach, approaching 0 = almost 2x nutrient decay rate
Empty stomach = 4x nutrient decay rate

Leave the stat changes to diet alone

[fathom cliff]

no body answered my question???

why pterdactylus concept art when it's already in the game???

[icy lion]

This isn't a question channel

[tepid gate]

there were animals had their concept arts released when they were already in the game

Pteraodactyl isn't the first one

[latent olive]

@proven spoke they do look at the feedback posts, but if they spent time replying to each individual one, they’d get no work done

[proven spoke]

They actually do work?

Yeah okay. 😂

[limber hull]

They do, tons lol

[latent olive]

brother in replicator, you do realise what is in the next update right

[proven spoke]

Is that before or after Gta 6 release?

[latent olive]

devs will react to the feedback they like, such as the following
#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

lmao what was the point of even asking the question if the only answer you accept is no

[thick cobalt]

Exactly

[latent olive]

venting, I guess

[thick cobalt]

Some people just do that lol

[latent olive]

#general-feedback message

[proven spoke]

So I'm assuming after the release of GTA 6

[thick cobalt]

Nobody knows when GTA 6 releases. This is about the isle not gta

[proven spoke]

Next update when?

[thick cobalt]

Whenever it comes out

Check the devblog. It might've said it there

[queen ember]

It’s just bait at this point

[urban flax]

And I remember someone disagreeing when I said general feedback was a mess...

[misty spire]

💀💀💀

[undone valve]

this game has the potential to be really fun. I like the diet added to it and the grow pace makes you have to play like a real dino to grow. With that being said I have gotten some friends into playing but due to hackers and cheaters the fun gets sucked right out the game. I have told a few friends to hold off on buying the game due to hacking being so bad right now. I only play evrima by the way. Please get rid of cheaters so we can have fun again tired of hiding in bushes just to be found by someone with speed and or foliage hacks im going to take a break hopefully this gets addressed and fixed in the future. I'm hoping they don't turn in to a tarkov where every server has cheaters just running around doing what ever they want with no real way to report or get there username.

[north quiver]

@low vapor eldering will indeed be optional. it won’t be forced

[low vapor]

Are you sure? I do hope so lmao

[uneven mist]

Becoming an elder is forced, dying of old age is optional

[low vapor]

I've heard people say it was gonna be forced.

I just hope it wont be forced. That way, both players can be happy by choosing their preference.

[north quiver]

yea you’re right mb

#isle-discussion message

I wonder if age will affect nesting or if it won’t change anything

[urban flax]

Notice how people ask to be able to stop their growth before full adult now that subadult deino is OP

[proud coral]

Stopping growth has been a common suggestion in the past, but that could also be why I personally dislike the idea since it can make certain creatures more or less irrelevant (eg; "lmao why add Alberto, just stop growth at Sub-Rex") and it just seems.....odd. Like I get it's a game, but why would my animal just stop growing? It'd also negatively affect perks since (as far as we know) growing = perks. So if you stop growing....you get less perks. You don't reach the end goal. And I understand the idea of "it's the player's choice" but I don't feel that'd be a valid excuse

[limber hull]

Eldering won't be optional. Dying of old age will be

[north quiver]

it’s been corrected all you need to do is look down a little below that and read a lil

[icy lion]

@fierce needle Stego hasn't been on carno's diet in ages

[lyric vault]

It's not about losing out on benefits of growth, it's about suiting certain dinosaurs to perform in a different manner. It's not meant to completely make another dinosaur irrelevant if you could just stay as a 70% of something. I made the suggestion for Deinosuchus as an example of Larger dinosaurs not completely growing. It has happened before, it would be realistic, and it wouldn't take away the key characteristics of playing as other dinosaurs. Especially since that argument is irrelevant since every single dinosaur is going to have some form of unique ability and playstyle. Deinosuchus's is literally ambush or swim around and eat leftovers.

[fierce needle]

swear it is if not carno than raptor but swear a carnivore has stego and stegos litterally terrorize both land and water so op

[limber hull]

stego can defend itself
broken

[limber hull]

Sub Deino is infamously OP, to the point people are purposely giving themselves malnutrition to stay in that state for longer

[fierce needle]

ive seen a single stego take out 3 adult crocs

hows that balanced

[limber hull]

those are some really bad crocs

(but most deino players are really bad so unsurprising)

[proud coral]

Having Deino being one of the easiest things to grow leads to players that should not be an adult Deino being an adult Deino

[limber hull]

if you bumrush a stego's ass, you will get punished. 2 deinos can easily dispatch a stego if they know what they're doing

stego punishes bad players hard. Deino is so OP and easy to grow, that the majority of people who play it aren't very skilled. Thus, stego obliterates it.

Not even going over the fact that stego is a land animal, and the water animals charging out to fight it on land often aren't going to be winning much

[proud coral]

How many bites to the head of a Stego does it take to kill it? 😮 As Deino of course.

[fierce needle]

stegos can dam near sit in the middle of central waters

[limber hull]

6

[proud coral]

[limber hull]

For reference, it takes around 5 headshots for a stego to kill a deino

[proud coral]

Interesting. I imagine the Deino (if it's smart) has an easier time due to alt bite being faster for some unknown stupid reason

[limber hull]

And if they do that, you can easily kill them. But more often than not, deinos who see this just charge the ass and die, or go in solo with no idea on how to fight one

[fierce needle]

right croc players pea brain but still stegos are way to strong in my oppinion ofc

[proud coral]

What exactly is it about them that makes you think they're OP? 😮

[limber hull]

They really aren't. If stego is OP, deino is beyond OP

[fierce needle]

they can put their tail in the water and swing at crocs little they can do cant get knocked on floor by adult carnos

and raptors well there a joke

[limber hull]

A raptor that know what they're doing can solo a stego (given the stego is also dumb)

I've seen it before, it's possible

[proud coral]

Well, Deinos don't have to fight them 😮 Can just swim away from it.
Carno is a small game hunter, so Stego is well out of it's league.
And Omni really just suffers from stamina UI updating in chunks and not smoothly. Other than that, I think it's okay

[limber hull]

Raptors are far from a joke atm, just because they require thinking and aren't as brainless as they were in U5.5 doesn't mean they're terrible

[proud coral]

They're also somewhat uncommon due to Texas Carno

[limber hull]

That too

Raptor's biggest weakness has nothing to do with it

[proud coral]

And Carno is already good at hunting them, so it's even worse that it has the Texas ram

[fierce needle]

yea there not bad onlything that seperates raptors from everything else is that well its very hard to fight anything alone

its a pack dino doesnt do well alone

or not as good as other dinos do alone

[limber hull]

That's really more because everything else this update tends to be ridiculously OP, namely deino, pachy and carno

[proud coral]

Poor Teno and Omni just struggling to exist

Makes me wonder what 6.5's quirks will be......

[limber hull]

This is pretty nice to see tho

Cera and carno balanced as equals, not cera stomp

[proud coral]

I just want Cerato to be defense. I don't want what some others want with all that Ceratorex absolutely unbreakable big damage stuff.

Seeing that image is quite nice indeed

[limber hull]

also that reply was to someone posting Bryan talking about how cera will crush carno

so it seems Dondi wants to put that to rest

[proud coral]

I was always skeptical of that anyways 😛

[limber hull]

Well yea, not really good for balance if it can invalidate everything

It needs a challenge, carno should be that challenge

[proud coral]

Though it makes me wonder....if Cerato is only a threat to Carno on the defense.....couldn't Carno just leave since it's Carno? Unless Cerato can bully them off of food, but that would sound like offense to me, which Cerato sounds bad at.

Then again, who walks away from a threat in here?? 👏

[limber hull]

Carno should retreat

Cera obviously should be stronger in a direct brawl than carno, because carno can just leave

But it shouldn't be so strong that carnos don't even bother to interact

[proud coral]

Another thing I wonder is how Kissen mentioned it's charged bite only lasts a few seconds. Couldn't Carno just wait for it to end and then rush it? 😮 I mean I know the normal bite can be nasty, but charged bite sounds a lot more useful against Carno. Actually now I just wonder how useful charged bite is in general due to the limit.

I might be getting into "gotta wait and see" territory though ;C

[limber hull]

Normal bite will likely be more useful against carno, due to its rapidfire nature

Get close to a cera and cop a ton of bites real fast

[proud coral]

True. Still, I wonder why it has a limit in the first place since, so far, it seems like it activates instantly. Unless it has a cooldown after it ends 😮

I guess it's just to deter stuff mostly

[limber hull]

Pachy has a limit with its ram charge

[proud coral]

Yeah but it can chase stuff down with that......then again, maybe Cerato can run during it

Hmm

[limber hull]

Who knows

[feral solstice]

I still don’t see the point in not letting you charge your ram forever, and IF you can only charge the Cera bite for a couple seconds. I just think you should be able to indefinitely charge it as long as there’s other repercussions like slower turn, etc.

[rare fractal]

I significantly prefer these types of limits

Makes timing a bit more multistep, prepping attacks too early should be possible

[limber hull]

I personally really do kinda like the idea of charging ram forever, as long as it has costs to staying in that stance, like turn radius

i wanna use the stance to intimidate predators

[feral solstice]

Like for Pachy, as far as I know you turn slower if you charge the ram. So if you let them charge indefinitely, you’ll buff their defensive aspects

[limber hull]

Pretty sure that USED to be a thing, then they removed it

[feral solstice]

If a carno decides it’s gonna maul me up close, I could charge the ram and keep the Carno at bay until it tries something, and at that point I could make a get away if he tries something

[limber hull]

The turn rate

[barren crater]

The turn rate being worse made it very easy for Omni's to get around your charge, but tbf alt swing exists

I think movement wise, Pachy is fine right now. I do like the idea of holding charge though

[limber hull]

i just personally like the idea of pachies making themselves appear larger when a predator comes too close

feels natural

[barren crater]

Yeah.

Also makes it so you have to be careful rather than waiting for the charge to drop lol

[limber hull]

That too

[short iron]

4

[limber hull]

5

[short iron]

Nope 4 headshots with its alt attack

[limber hull]

It doesn't have an alt attack

Also no

[short iron]

Yes it has.
It has his normal bite, its normal swing and an alt swing

[barren crater]

You mean the side jab?

[proud coral]

It quite literally does not have an alt attack. Stego, Dryo, and Hypsi all lack them. (for now)

[barren crater]

That's just a directional attack

[icy lion]

It's the same attack, but it comes out at different speeds based on where you're looking

[barren crater]

It deals the exact same damage

[icy lion]

Yup

[short iron]

Yes

[limber hull]

Let's do some math. Deino has 8000HP. Stego does 1250 damage with its tail swing. A headshot on deino deals 1.5x damage.

8000/(1250*1.5) =
8000/1875 =
4.26666 repeating. So 5 hits.

It would have to do 2000+ damage on a headshot to be able to 4 tap a deino

[barren crater]

Which would mean Carno would die to a body hit (oops read it wrong)

[limber hull]

In order to four-tap deino to the head, stego would need to do over 1333 damage, which it does not do

[proud coral]

I do wonder what an alt-attack for Stego would be like 😮 Since we know things missing alt-attacks will get em.

[icy lion]

Maybe that upswing Kissen was prototyping

[limber hull]

I'd be fine with the tail jab being an alt attack and the RMB being a generic swipe attack

Perhaps usable while walking to make it actually force rexes to leave it alone

[proud coral]

That could work. I was gonna semi-joke that holding alt gives you full control of the tail

Points where ya look, and you click to swing or something

But the other idea sounds better

[limber hull]

I REALLY want stego to not be rex food

[rare fractal]

I really dislike the sentiment so many people peddle that apexes should just be separated from the concept of balance once they’re adults….it’s sorta like the sniper argument “I spent 8 hours getting this strong, I deserve to kill whatever I want and nothing should stop me”

Like, no that investment should grant security

Not influence necessarily

[limber hull]

A lot of the sentiment seems to derive from a deep-rooted hatred for stego and some kind of need for "vengeance" against it.

Even in the sniper argument, a lot of it is directed towards stego

[rare fractal]

That too, but it goes beyond that, it’s the whole concept of growth time mathematics being how we determine who lives or dies

[short iron]

That not, but it also shouldn't obliterate everything in its way with no real threat.
Stego came in way to soon and now we are facing the consequences

[proud coral]

I'm in both boats for it actually.

I want apexes to be a unique force to be reckoned with, but at the same time also just like any other animal. Like T.Rex. It should f e e l like a T.Rex....an absolute ecosystem apex predator.....but it doesn't get plot armor or any other special treatment. It's gotta follow the rules of survival just like everything else. Gotta go get your food, gotta be careful around certain animals, goof up and you die, etc.

[rare fractal]

Well….so you’re entirely in my boat

[proud coral]

And of course I'd like for apex difficulty to be much, much more than just "haha takes long time to grow".

[proud coral]

our boat 👉👈

[rare fractal]

Then being strong has nothing to do with them being uncontestable

[limber hull]

Same with deino, but at least stego is here to suppress it

[rare fractal]

We’ll just go with that

[proud coral]

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

Imma hop in our boat too

[limber hull]

For example, running into the ass of a stego, rex or not, should make your apex into apex flavoured mince meat

[rare fractal]

Don’t you mean “we”

[proud coral]

Main thing I want for apexes (that could translate to technically everything else) is maintaining them to be a challenge. And with how current carnivore diets are, it sounds like it'd be pathetically easy.

[proud coral]

YEP!

The Rex is only a Rex in the hands of a Rex.

[short iron]

Yes same with deino.
Without the stego, the deino would have no threat. A smaller semi aquatic playable would have been better for the beginning like sucho

[proud coral]

[rare fractal]

I sorta dislike starvation being a huge factor for animals in this game but for apexes I absolutely want them to deal with that, groups should be impossible

[limber hull]

Sucho would still dominate the roster

[lapis swallow]

Not to mention that our only apexlike predator (deino) is very easy to grow and sustain rn

[limber hull]

Sucho is almost stego-sized, so that's not a great comparison

Sucho also doesn't really have many great environments dedicated to it

Spiro doesn't quite match the needs of a sucho

[lapis swallow]

In groups you mean 3+ individuals? Not pairs, right?:

[rare fractal]

Tbf Sucho would have been better simply by virtue of it lacking a lunge

[short iron]

In the water, but on land it would have carno and omni packs which would be a big threat for it

[rare fractal]

I want pairs to be nearly implausibly hard to upkeep

[limber hull]

Carno packs would probably get slammed by a sucho, ngl

[barren crater]

Tbf, Deino also can't be contested like a Rex or Giga can

[proud coral]

Yep. I want bigger animals to generally require more food due to their size, and something like a T.Rex or Trike sounds like they'd need to eat l o t s. But I also want maintaining their well-being to also be part of that challenge. Right now, even just one nutrient leaves you totally fine. You grow slower and miss out on some combos, sure, but you're still alive and perfectly healthy. No sense of "ooh I gotta keep mah strenf up"

[limber hull]

If we ever exist in a world where a sucho is scared of carnos I'm mad

[barren crater]

Like nothing smaller than deino is touching it in the water, while smaller carnivores can fight off a solo land apex in groups

[lapis swallow]

Yes, they should be hard, but possible if both are very skilled and in the right place with VERY much food

[proud coral]

Carno, the small game hunter, fighting Sucho, the Sucho, sounds odd

[rare fractal]

Which I’m fine with since the animals we have (bar deino and stego) are small and easy to get killed, but with size comes security, and security necessitates upkeep, that’s basically how I see it

[barren crater]

If the land apexes are untouchable

[rare fractal]

Ideally for me, apexes only ever come together in pairs to make eggs, then separate

[limber hull]

Also I really REALLY don't want sucho to end up how I fear it will, big generic diver depths animal

Gimme wader

[proud coral]

Just tricky figuring out how to make nutrients not easy mode like right now <:I We went from one extreme to the opposite extreme, we just gotta find the balance.

[proud coral]

Who gets the hatchlings

[rare fractal]

You’d just have to scale their effects and debuffs up

[lapis swallow]

That would be cool

[rare fractal]

Tbh ate up to whoever wants to raise them, but it should almost be mandatory for one to leave

[limber hull]

I do hope elders/perks actually require nesting to improve, meaning your encouraged to find a mate at some point

[proud coral]

You only get debuffs from no nutrients though. I guess you could technically just make the effects of no combo worse, but how 😮

[barren crater]

Do not let the apex land carnis be cannibals 💀

[rare fractal]

Mhm, would also scale up the challenge of acquiring those perks with rarer animals

[proud coral]

"We made Carno a cannibal to control it's numbers"

Carno population surges dramatically

[rare fractal]

I think every carnivore should be a cannibal, but gain no benefits from eating their own kind

[proud coral]

[limber hull]

If any apex should be a cannibal, it's rex and rex alone. Giga has some level of group reliance to take down shants and other big animals, and spino has the water and fish to sustain itself

[rare fractal]

Cannibalism is the reason deino is so strong (well one of the reasons)

[barren crater]

I disagree with that

[proud coral]

Doesn't that mean they can just live off of each other though like how Deinos do 😮

[barren crater]

Omni packs throwing themselves at things and then feeding after they lose pack members

Even if it's not a dietary buff, it's food

[rare fractal]

“No benefits from eating”

[limber hull]

I mean, deino does also benefit that its chance of finding a deino corpse is very high because deino corpses are always in or near water

[barren crater]

The benefit is food though

[rare fractal]

No benefits, meaning no food, if not just being toxic to eat

For whatever contrived reason

[proud coral]

S-so what does it give you 😮

[rare fractal]

Debuffs

[proud coral]

[rare fractal]

When I say Cannibal I really just mean “encouraged to kill your own kind”

[barren crater]

oh

[proud coral]

OH

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-gif-25866669

[barren crater]

lmao

[short iron]

[proud coral]

Yeah I can totally see Rex being extremely solitary (outside of nesting of course) and just giving the death glare to any other Rex, no matter how old.

Threat to my food >:C

[barren crater]

I worry about that mainly because we'll see servers filled with rexes just eating each other. That's their ecosystem 😰

And Rex is popular so

[limber hull]

im just saying, if any apex had to be a cannibal, it should be rex

[short iron]

It should be any apex tbh.
Just to make it harder to grow

[limber hull]

that makes it easier to grow

cannibalism is why carno is so damn easy

failed a hunt and one of your mates died? Eat them. Need easy food source with MASSIVE amounts to food to grow off? Eat an adult corpse of your own kind.

[proud coral]

I want food for Rex to not be like how Carno kinda is where it's "if I don't eat in 5 seconds I will die", but I also want it to be something where Rex. Doesn't. Share. Like at all. They will fight you tooth and nail, period.

[short iron]

It isn't used right becouse when theres a canni carno all the guys who thinks cannibalism is bad will hunt this guy and kill it

[barren crater]

A few times where I've struggled to get food with friends, I've given up my body and regrown off of it. Pretty much since forever

[proud coral]

Not sure how cannibalism could be done to not be a free growth ticket 😮

[limber hull]

Canni carnos are everywhere, wdym, it's easy food

Cannibalism is by far a massive factor in carno population, if not the biggest factor

It has helped so many carnos reach adult with ease

[proud coral]

I still find it funny Carno cannibalism was done purely to lower their numbers

[barren crater]

It never worked though. Literally look at Carno pre diets lmao

Everywhere

[short iron]

The biggest factor is still the ai tbh. You can't walk like 5 metres without hearing or seeing them and thats, what makes carnis so easy to grow

[limber hull]

i'd say its by far one of the most ironic failures ever

An adult carno has 1800kg of pure meat, organs and can be obtained via losing a hunt. You have to at least go out of your way to find a boar, and it is far less generous with food, and lacks any organs

[proud coral]

I'd say it's multiple factors that make carnivores so easy to grow right now.

• AI is free food
• Cannibalistic species can just live off of themselves
• With how nutrients work right now, you just need one to be perfectly healthy (and it's not hard to get others)
• You can find a corpse with zero organs and STILL get nutrients from it because would ya look at that! It's a preferred species on your shopping list!

:C

[barren crater]

It will even be easier, since we know the organ sizes are bugged for example.

[proud coral]

hwhat

[barren crater]

Like a juvi taking out a stego heart

And it gives no diets to an adult, even though it's massive

[proud coral]

[barren crater]

So scavenging kills will be easier

Since diets are capped at 45% for whatever organ you pick out, which makes no sense

[proud coral]

They are??

[limber hull]

????

[barren crater]

Regardless of size.

[limber hull]

I hate current organ implementation god dammit

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-dude-confused-gif-12389327

[barren crater]

lmao. Find a full stego as a fresh spawn omni? You can only get 45% diet from its intestine and it vanishes

[proud coral]

B-But why not just why not make it based on size like big heart = big protein why why cap WHY CAP I-j-I don't wh-

[barren crater]

It likely wasn't intended, but it was rushed

[proud coral]

Isle devs, I love you, but H U H

[limber hull]

God I WISH diets just didn't have species

[barren crater]

Update 6 had a huge list of issues

[proud coral]

Not saying it was or wasn't, but U6 does kinda give a rushed vibe, yeah

[barren crater]

Eh, it happened. It is what it is.

[proud coral]

Lack of clarity of what we were getting.....some combos straight up not working.....organ oddities.....

Let's hope 6.5 uh....does justice

The cleanup crew of U6

[barren crater]

But yeah, expect growing to be easier when that's fixed for carnis

[limber hull]

it was

100% was rushed

[proud coral]

[barren crater]

I mean, obvious since they wanted to meet a Christmas Day deadline just going off release date

[limber hull]

Carno's current state, the fact pachy went entirely unaddressed, diet implementation, gore as a whole, the sub-adult meta, all made more than likely by accident

[proud coral]

Migration fiasco as well I guess

[limber hull]

Migration being on spiro was ridiculous anyways

[proud coral]

That is true.

[barren crater]

The biggest fix I want is diets not being 1 : 1 with hunger

Makes it a chore to play as a herbivore

[proud coral]

The biggest eyebrow raisers to me with U6 though has to be some combos literally not working and the fact gore feels super bare bones pun intended

[barren crater]

• one combo being OP in group settings

[proud coral]

[barren crater]

No diet build

[limber hull]

God I adore the fact that one of the best diets is not having one its so dumb

[barren crater]

Carnos running for 80 seconds

[proud coral]

I remember malnutrition being made to sound like it'd be a threat

It might as well not exist right now

[barren crater]

And players staying at a certain size 🤮

[proud coral]

Also speaking of combos, triple carbs on Hypsi is very funny

[barren crater]

lmao

[limber hull]

Triple carb on hypsi is amazing

[barren crater]

Doesn't it regen really fast by default

[limber hull]

Stamina is not a concern of mine

[proud coral]

It's like Wolverine but with stamina

[limber hull]

Yep

With this diet loadout, exhaustion is a myth

[barren crater]

lmao

[limber hull]

Run for eons

[barren crater]

Does hypsi still regen stam mid jump?

[proud coral]

Honestly fine with me since it's Hypsi

[barren crater]

Yeah, no issue

[proud coral]

I thiiiink it does

I know it does that weird bonus regen thing when you land

Speaking of Hypsi jump; unnerf the running jump for God's sake

[barren crater]

You mean charged jump while running?

[proud coral]

Yeah. It reduces your jump height.

[barren crater]

Yeah idk why that exists

[proud coral]

So if you wanna jump high, you gotta slow down

It's like....one of the weirdest changes (I'm pretty sure it used to not exiist)

[barren crater]

Also hypsi spit causing you to be stuck in place

And the aiming

[proud coral]

It's Hypsi
Tf is it gonna do if it jumps too high

Spit is also very bad, yes

Baffles me when I see people defend it with "it's a troll dino lmao"

[barren crater]

Lock in place animations ruin the game. Especially while eating

[proud coral]

It's a playable, treat it like a playable

[barren crater]

I guess it makes sense for some but

[barren crater]

That's dumb

[proud coral]

Yeah that has some odd inconsistencies

Some stop eating fast, others take eons

[barren crater]

Teno by the river

I've died because of it

• the camera lock, so you can barely react if something is behind you

[proud coral]

Doesn't even feel like something you play around. Being locked in place with zero input isn't engaging.

Glares at almost all forms of CC right now

A player eating should get caught because they didn't react in time, not because their creature currently being mauled to death decided "let me slowly stop chewing, and THEN move"

[dawn trout]

Some animals have animations that look left and right when they eat. Why do they still lock the camera?

[proud coral]

🤷 Camera lock is a cool concept, just very poorly executed.

According to Lunary, the whole thing with it only letting you look to one side is actually intended

Why? HAHA GOOD QUESTION!

[dawn trout]

It's a cool concept, but it's a little too targeted. Dinosaur eyes are on both sides.

[proud coral]

I had suggested this in the past. Hope they consider it.

[barren crater]

Removing meat chunks is another animation lock that should go away imo.

Let players cancel it and drop the meat

[proud coral]

Takes forever, too. Which is ironic since they sped it up.

[dawn trout]

It's so slow to eat, and it makes noise. Now they have to lock the camera, as if they want people to die easily while eating.

[proud coral]

It's created the meta of just spamming meat chunks to eat

[dawn trout]

For the smaller animals, the more severe the punishment is, and for the larger animals, it can be ignored.

[barren crater]

Pretty much

[proud coral]

And as much as I hate to admit it, I've tried it and it works. It's also quieter. Looking at you, Omni

[barren crater]

Yep. May take a bit longer, but I'd rather take another minute than die to a Carno

[proud coral]

"RRrRRR...RARRAR.....RIIP.....AAAAGH!.....CHOMP-RRRARRrrRrr"

vs

"Aughchomp"

Like it sounds like an angry cat eating wet food

[rare fractal]

Tbf eating animations are comically loud for some animals

I don’t know why each carnivore screams as they eat

[proud coral]

Carno scares me when it eats.

[low vapor]

What? No, I meant be able to stop growth at full adult only, not sub. Elder comes after full adult, not after sub. You should only be able to choose to stay as a full adult if you didn't want to become an elder, but you shouldn't be able to stop growth at anytime. Only when you reach full adult can you stop growth to prevent becoming an elder if it's your will.

[proud coral]

It's like Rexes roaring after killing a juvie. They gotta assert dominance.

[urban flax]

I wasn't referring to you

[rare fractal]

Assert dominance over the AI crab

[proud coral]

🦀

[low vapor]

Ah ok, mb. It seemed like that, apologies.

[proud coral]

Watch Cerato be quiet when it eats

[limber hull]

Dondi has said before, it's not

And I doubt it's changing

[proud coral]

I remember Punch defending it being a choice in the past, heehee.

[low vapor]

Kinda sad, guess I gotta cope or hope it'll change.

[limber hull]

Yea but it's his word vs Dondi, and Dondi has said everything will grow old eventually

[proud coral]

I used to be hesitant on it, but have warmed up to it. Especially since the dying is optional still.

[limber hull]

I personally dislike the idea of forgoing elders

[proud coral]

Oh I had meant in the past when it was optional. People would ask if it's forced and he'd say stuff like "why would we punish you surviving with you dying"

[limber hull]

Feels like a way to just ignore the survival part and only engage in the "grow to adult and brawl forever" gameplay

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/office-michael-scott-thank-you-gif-5278681

[limber hull]

Which I find very lame

[proud coral]

At least to me, also makes you feel more attached to your dino knowing it's gonna wither.

[limber hull]

Means you actually have to spend time with it rather than sitting in a bush god forbid

[proud coral]

Paired with perks and more activities, it becomes a life instead of "lemme AFK to fight"

Like those documentaries following an animal's life and you root it on the whole way

I want tear jerking moments with my dino, gosh darnit!

https://tenor.com/view/mother-90s-kid-death-cartoon-gif-16762653

👏

[barren crater]

🤔 I never thought about it from that angle

[limber hull]

Very little do, and even less like the idea of having them be punished for not playing lol

[north quiver]

I hope my elder won’t wither to the point where I basically have to choose to die of old age instead of being too weak and old to be able to survive properly. I personally feel like that should only be a thing if you choose to die from elder. once you choose, you slowly wither until the darkness finally takes hold of you

making you a prime target for hungry predators for trying to get the perks of dying from old age. risk and reward

[rare fractal]

Ideally elders will still be survivable, maybe just weaker combatively, but ideally not much slower

[latent olive]

@harsh otter absolutely not

it would be like adding adding a big arrow mark ontop of the deino that says "EAT THIS !"

maybe for the parents to see, possibly

but for random deino adults? hell naw

[barren crater]

Imo the speed shouldn't change. Let them be weaker and mess around with their water / food timers if anything. Maybe make them heal slower idk. But Speed is the last thing you should touch imo

[north quiver]

absolutely not. slower is understandable but they shouldn’t be weaker (unless they choose to die from elder and begin the descent to death via old age). if anything they should be more stronger to be able to defend themselves slightly better due to the speed nerf

[rare fractal]

Messing with speed or stam (significantly) really messes with a creatures viability more than any other stat

[barren crater]

Exactly, which is why you shouldn't make it worse in that department. There's so many other factors to make it worse at the end of elder.

I also don't want elders to have a speed spike when they get to their strongest

Their speed should be capped when they hit full adult imo

[rare fractal]

Yeah messing with speed is the most volatile stat by far

I'd rather that stay consistent past 100%

[barren crater]

Yep. I'd rather creatures still have the ability to run from their own kind.

Not to mention if they did spike in speed, imagine Carnos damage, size + speed

At elder

[rare fractal]

Damage boosted sub carno with more hp :p

Love it

[lucid mauve]

Carno wouldt be a problem, imagine a speedy anky lol

[low vapor]

@nova oxide It's better to give humans proximity VC (I think VC is also planned but I'm unsure).

[uneven mist]

VC for humans are planned ye

[low vapor]

And make it so that humans can only understand humans, dinosaurs can only understand dinosaurs.

[uneven mist]

That’s the plan too

[low vapor]

Or, specifically, only their own species.

[low vapor]

Will they give dinos VC or nah. I'm not too against it though it's somewhat strange.

[uneven mist]

Dinosaurs won’t be able to hear the humans and it would be like static sounds when listening to the Dino’s

[limber hull]

Dinosaurs will hear radio static when they get near humans

[uneven mist]

Don’t think so

[limber hull]

very likely no

[low vapor]

Eh I'm cool with it. I understand it's a bit weird lmao. Makes more sense for humans.

[limber hull]

Kinda hope humans dont get text chat tbh

[low vapor]

I feel like it should be something else but I dunno what. Like maybe hearing voices but they're disorted enough that you basically cant understand it

Hearing static when humans speak while playing as a dinosaur seems a bit unnatural lmao.

However, the other suggestions @nova oxide made were okayish, unsure about the ptera picking up humans. Would make more sense if a quetzal could do that instead.

Making weapons and shelter out of leaves, sticks, etc. seems cool

[low vapor]

Same. Would be a bit weird and having only VC makes sense since humans, yknow, talk.

[urban flax]

That'd be bothering for people without mics or who are not comfortable talking to strangers

[low vapor]

Yea true that. Though it's the only thing that just seems the most natural

[limber hull]

Yea but I just think people are so prone to metagaming that the moment they realise that VC is "unviable", they won't ever use it

[urban flax]

Dinos could hear something when humans type as well

Also it's always better for communication to talk rather than typing

It's 5x as fast

[limber hull]

What noise could you make that isn't ridiculous?

[urban flax]

Radio static ?

[limber hull]

"AHH" = A well-worded description on your plans and ideas

[low vapor]

Seems a bit weird. Maybe more like overlapping whispering or at least something more human-like? In terms of voices yknow. But disorted enough that you wouldn't understand as a dinosaur.

[limber hull]

I personally think gen 2 should get a variety of silent hand signals

[low vapor]

Why not gen 1? I can see that happening for those guys too

[urban flax]

The sound they make doesn't really matter. What matters is that if there is no written chat for humans, then that's a lot of players that cannot communicate with others at all.

[limber hull]

Maybe? At the same time they're also unga bunga orc men

[barren zephyr]

In my opinion, they should add proximity chat for close distances, and the ability to use radios for long distances

[limber hull]

Radios would be cool

[low vapor]

Yea, radios for long distance is cool

[limber hull]

I'd especially like it if the radio tower was vital to ensuring they worked, and the radio tower going down meant all that communication is cut off

Forcing gen 2 to have to move there to ensure they stay up

[low vapor]

Yea understandable. Not sure if it's a good idea, but maybe using the text chat could make an AI voice say the sentence you just typed?

[limber hull]

I just think single, short sound is infinitely better for stealth than prolonged voice communication

So generally it's the better option

[barren zephyr]

That's a very good idea

[urban flax]

Uh
That sounds like a lot of work and resources

[low vapor]

Just seems a bit weird if a human could understand a whole sentence from said short sound

[limber hull]

That too

[low vapor]

Sadly. Maybe we just let the devs do their thing I dunno

[limber hull]

IDK, personally not a fan of it. I reckon you can add a plethora of communication systems that aren't straight text

[barren zephyr]

I just think sign language is way too difficult to implement, and it's gonna take a long time to learn all the signs

[limber hull]

Sign language? Nah just basic hand signals

[low vapor]

Or make it so that when you type as a human, you do hand signals instead idk

[limber hull]

That's wayyyy too complex

[low vapor]

Not if you just make the hand signals random i think. No need to make it complex, add small variations depending on the sentence? Just tryna think up an idea for how text chat would work for humans

[barren zephyr]

But why? Isn't it easier to just read the message?

[low vapor]

You can see the text sentence you wrote, it's just that instead of making a sound when you type in something it's hand signals instead

[limber hull]

Yea but that only adds to my problem

It makes text chat INFINITELY more viable

Because it's entirely silent

[low vapor]

Ah yea right

It's the best I can come up with for now

[low vapor]

Maybe make it produce some sort of noise like shifting noises, but yea it would be fairly silent.

[limber hull]

Then it's still infinitely the best choice of communication

I know this community, they'll do anything to be meta

[low vapor]

Sadly. But at the same time, humans are not too hard to spot (at least for now) and they cant really get away from anything so maybe having a silent chat makes up for it? Idk lmao

[limber hull]

They're really small, so if they hide, they're hard to spot. I also don't think making VC entirely useless if not detrimental is very good

[low vapor]

Maybe just have no text chat (except for radios, idk) and only have proximity VC

[limber hull]

That's what I want, but very likely not happening

[low vapor]

It's understandable some people wont like to VC, but I know other games that only allow VC and it's not too bad

[limber hull]

I've worked on a game which only allows VC, and it works fine

[low vapor]

Yea that's prolly the best option then. Though I wish radios being used for text chat could be a thing

[barren zephyr]

@warped fog yeah carnos SOO underpowered RN it def needs a buff in its charge :🤣

[north quiver]

I hope what rool posted was satire

[urban flax]

I think posting satire as feedback is pretty stupid

[low vapor]

@dawn patio Adding giant dinos right now during the games current state wouldn't be good. Better to wait for them to appear later

And if by giant dinos, you specifically mean apexes such as rex

[dawn patio]

Yeah, I don't really know much about dinosaurs cuz I just bought the game

but it would be cool and more challenging cuz the only powerful land carnivore is a carno and it can get 1 shotted by a fully grown stego so having a sort of balance would be cool

[low vapor]

Ah np m8. The game is undergoing a lotta bugs n such. It would just seem too early to add them now

[dawn patio]

ohh alright then

[low vapor]

Eventually, we should get that. We just gotta wait first

[dawn patio]

Yeah

[north quiver]

I’d suggest giving legacy a try or Path of Titans. evirma will hopefully be nothing like legacy or PoT so big powerful dinos like rex and giga or anything alike will either be unofficial server exclusive or they’ll be very hard to grow and maintain

[dawn patio]

I want to try legacy but I can't find official servers, all I find is chinese servers, and for Path of Titans the gameplay looks kinda off with the quests.

[limber hull]

I mean, we're getting Rex and Trike soon for unofficial servers

[dawn patio]

nice

in evrima

[limber hull]

In EVRIMA, yea

But only unofficial servers, mind you.

[dawn patio]

How do i get into an unofficial one?

[limber hull]

There's a little tab on the right of the server list

You can open it to select unofficials

[north quiver]

#unofficial-isle-communities advertises legacy servers

[dawn patio]

ohh thanks

[limber hull]

Yea but that's legacy

[dawn patio]

oh let me check

[limber hull]

We're talking EVRIMA

[dawn patio]

Yes

can't wait to be able to use humans

just imagine being a tribal warrior and hunting dinosaurs

[low vapor]

You can in unofficial servers. But they lack abilities as of now, would be cool if they could build weapons and shelter out of natural resources

[dawn patio]

Yeah

damn you're right

[dawn patio]

you got any tips on getting POT for free?

like giveaways and stuff

[north quiver]

nah I never was interested in pot enough to buy it, let alone try to win it in giveaways (which with my luck would never happen anyways)

[dawn patio]

Yeah

I would like to play pot if it got it for free

But I would never buy it

The isle is so much better in pretty much everything except that it has a small amount of dynos

[north quiver]

smaller dinos is what gives evirma its beauty and uniqueness. it’s a step away from the typical “yayyyy I big dino :3 I kill everything in sight. uwu xd rawrr”

[dawn patio]

Yeah but they could really balance it

Maybe make it harder to become a fully grown apex

[north quiver]

that’s hopefully the plan. fully grown apexes should be incredibly rare

[dawn patio]

Yes

[low vapor]

That alongside elders too hopefully

[stone mantle]

growing bigger dinos is already a time-consuming process and not very many people are deterred

if they die they can just try again

[low vapor]

Yea but if it's difficult enough, people will die almost everytime. It should prolly take skill and a bit of luck to be rewarded with a full adult apex

[stone mantle]

what exactly would qualify as "skill", though?

[urban flax]

Hiding when you need to hide, running when you need to run, fighting when you need to fight is already something few players are skilled enough to do

[north quiver]

I genuinely hope eldering will be an incredibly long process so they’re not an everyday sight. I hope to look at an elder with a bunch of scarring and think: “oh crap, he must be great at pvp and surviving. I need to stay away from him or be extra careful”

[low vapor]

Yeah, that would be great. However, I personally dont wanna be an elder. I just have the preference of remaining an adult until I die to something. I dunno why, I just be like that

Which is why I'm somewhat annoyed it's probably gonna be forced to become an elder. If it could be an option you'd have to choose on the character selection screen, that'd be cool

[north quiver]

same. I wouldn’t mind becoming an elder though if I manage to skillfully keep a dino alive for an impressive amount of time. more-so for bragging rights rather than “oh, that dude must’ve afked for a while to reach elder”

[limber hull]

They're trying to do away with that (also you can still do that, remain an adult till you die to something)

[stone mantle]

if only you could choose to stop aging irl as well... lol

[low vapor]

Damn, if so, that's great. At least for me. I suggested it in the general feedback channel and it seemed a lot of people were against it though. Just kinda confused since the only thing you're changing is the fact that you can choose if you wanna be an elder or not

[limber hull]

Only caveat being you have to die to something before elder

[low vapor]

Ah ok. Its just that if I survive long enough that i SHOULD become an elder, I dont want to. Just make it an option yknow

[limber hull]

i disagree, and also that's not happening

[urban flax]

And there are people who would stay subadult forever, but it would be bad for the game

[limber hull]

optional elder is silly

[low vapor]

But then again I cant really change what will happen so ig I'll need to accept it

[urban flax]

Especially if the rest of growth isn't

[limber hull]

it's like saying you don't want to go beyond juvi or sub adult

its a new part of the growth stages

you're going to have to grow there eventually

[low vapor]

No, not sub. You should only be able to stop growth once you reach full adult to prevent becoming an elder, not before

[urban flax]

Best case in my opinion, you could control how much time you have until you become weaker as an elder

[limber hull]

What we have now is simply an incomplete growth cycle, elder acts to complete that

[urban flax]

Via maintaining a good diet for example

[limber hull]

I believe that is planned too

Better survival = better elder

[urban flax]

But that's literally the same thing
Stopping at adult or stopping at subadult is functionnally the same thing

If you don't agree with one, you can't agree with the other

[limber hull]

True

[north quiver]

god no. elder should only start withering when the option to die from old age has been chosen

[limber hull]

What?

[low vapor]

But how

[limber hull]

That's not how it works, no

You start decaying, then you get the option

Once you're at the very, very end

[urban flax]

No
Because if so then you'd just have super-strong elders running around and there would be no point in the life cycle whatsoever

[north quiver]

horrible design

[limber hull]

It goes adult > strong as hell elder > weaker elder > choose to die

[urban flax]

In both cases it's stopping growth so you can min-max keeping the best stats forever

[limber hull]

I don't see how

[north quiver]

I personally wouldn’t make elders super strong

[limber hull]

Why?

[urban flax]

The point is that they start being stronger than adults, then decay

If they don't become stronger than adults, but only decay when you choose to die... well there is no elder stage

[low vapor]

Wont elder have better stats than their adult counterparts? And if they have worse stats, why do people enjoy the idea of being an elder if it's gonna be weaker

[stone mantle]

i wonder how elder will affect smaller dinos like dryo or hypsi

[limber hull]

Elders do have better stats

Elders > adults, but they start weakening over time

Elders are larger, stronger and tankier than their adult counterparts, but slowly lose their power over time as their age catches up

[north quiver]

I’d personally have elder be mostly an impressive display of your ability to survive and defend yourself. sure there can be stat changes like a bit if nerfed speed for a bit of buffed damage, health, or other stats, but that’s it. purely my own take on it

[low vapor]

If I'm being honest, the only reason I dont wanna become an elder isnt related to stats or anything. I just dont wanna become an old dino

[limber hull]

I'd say elder should have no nerfed stats, only complete improvement, then decay

[limber hull]

What's wrong with it?

[north quiver]

I disagree, but I guess we can agree to disagree lol

[low vapor]

Idk tbh. I guess it's a preference thing

[stone mantle]

you can just restart