general-feedback-discussion

[cedar galleon]

yeah that sounds cool

[tall hearth]

choosing to die as elder and not by dying in a fight

its in their ideas, and im sure cosmetics could be considered as well

[grand folio]

Ust edited it hold up

It now ties into lore and is not time based

[barren zephyr]

see that's acceptable since you actually have to put in work. you do know that people can just farm hours in the menu right?

[cedar galleon]

yeah the time thing is a little weird

if it was achievement based though I don't really see an issue

[stone mantle]

i kinda interpreted it as time spent as a specific dino?

[tall hearth]

yes im aware, its why i mentioned playing a set amount of hours as the dino you want cosmetics earned on.

if that was the initial idea instead

[grand folio]

is it better now?

[tall hearth]

which changed

[cedar galleon]

basically just removed the time thing

[barren zephyr]

which makes it better

[tall hearth]

heck, even playing as a human and finding documents/lore info/various specific items throughout the map could even unlock cosmetics for dinos. i dont have an issue with that either.

[grand folio]

Ik,
But i also tied it into lore

[barren zephyr]

i made a suggestion similar to that a couple years ago, except for the cosmetics thing

[stone mantle]

a few people have suggested acquiring unique skins through nesting but i have no idea if the devs will implement something like that

[barren zephyr]

only time will tell

[grand folio]

I mean it seems like an alright suggestiofn, its just suggesting edits to models

[cedar galleon]

if this were to be added though, it would have to be very, very far in the future just to not take resources away from modeling the current roster and all that

[barren zephyr]

it is an alright suggestion. the time thing was very meh

[grand folio]

Im gonna delete it lmao,
Yall are hating on it so hard
0 likes 7 dislikes 😭

[frozen heron]

I wouldn't mind having accurate depictions of dinosaurs until you realize this would take a lot of resources to implement for every single playable, especially when the game itself is still WIP

Even then most they're doing is certain "skins" for dinosaurs that look alike

[grand folio]

making a new suggestion to just go with accurate designs over all
Cause the isle is a game centered around being realistic so should its dinos

[frozen heron]

The Isle is NOT realistic

[grand folio]

The gameplay

in evrima is

[frozen heron]

The gameplay isnt planned to be realistic either.

The very act of becoming a strain isnt going to be realistic

[stone mantle]

i'm not a huge dino nerd but from what i've read it's almost impossible to know exactly what a dino was like. we can make some very educated guesses based on whatever evidence we have but we lack the complete picture

[frozen heron]

The most realism there is only applies to a few dinosaurs and gameplay mechanics and even then the majority of it is creative artistic liberties

[grand folio]

honestly im mostly just hoping for the option to give dinosaurs feathers if they need them, same goes for lips

[frozen heron]

IIRC there will be feather options planned for the dinosaurs that would have them

[grand folio]

Lips aswell?

[frozen heron]

Dont know about lips

[barren zephyr]

someone is probably gonna make a mod for that

[grand folio]

Dont get me wrong
I absolutly love the isles designs I just think that some of the theropods would look better with feathers and lips

[north quiver]

May I introduce you to Saurian

[grand folio]

EW
Not saurian lmao, That game has laid dormant for years, wouldnt be suprised if it came out that the devs left and took the money with them

[small anchor]

@maiden anvil drop your curriculum vitae to work in this project you have very interesting ideas you are what we actually need

[frozen heron]

Something like that. The previous manager had been embezzling money from the Kickstarter until they were caught.

However the other devs are fine and still work on the game

[grand folio]

is there like a qna channel
Ive seen videos of the devs answering qna but there isnt really a channel for it

[frozen heron]

However i do agree with some dinosaurs getting feathers or lips. But unfortunately that sort of customization or adjustment is way out of scope for the timebeing until the game is feature complete

[frozen heron]

Saurian or?

[grand folio]

the isle

[frozen heron]

No such thing

Not any recent ones from the past few years anyway, there could be one that exists from legacy days but i dont think they've done proper QnAs like, ever within evrima's lifetime

I do remember there was a QnA channel

But it didnt last long and was promptly removed

Sucks

[grand folio]

Aw. that sucks, would be nice to actually be able to communicate with the devs for once

[icy lion]

Those happen in #isle-discussion

[stone mantle]

so much activity in that channel, tend to get drowned out

[slow wolf]

I just rearranged my pc and now the isle wont launch bc of easy anitcheat not being installed, anyone know how to fix?

[stone mantle]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[icy flare]

Nothing much bro .
I X it for some reasons. First of all I don’t think that’s feedback that something that would fit into phase 3 suggestions. 2nd I think there I no point in suggesting new stuff . There is so much planed for this games what’s already confirmed what gonna take years of more development time. I think we need to focus on that on give feedback and suggestions to the already confirmed stuff
No hate towards ur idea sounds pretty cool tho

[icy lion]

Plateo is planned for the game and #phase-three-requests is not for game suggestions

[icy flare]

What’s phase 3 in general I don’t really get it tbh

[stone mantle]

oh yeah, just realized it's on the size chart

[stone mantle]

stuff that should be posted in #isle-phase-three

[icy lion]

Teasers for in-development and future content

[icy flare]

Still find it pretty confusing to suggest stuff in a feedback channel. Can be on my end tho I’m not native Eng speaker but feedback has a different meaning for me

[icy lion]

Naming it #general-feedback&suggestions is a bit long. The channel description says it's also for suggestions

[icy flare]

Ay alright

[icy flare]

Is there anywhere a list of all confirmed stuff so I can check it out and know better b4 I’m talking shet

[icy lion]

Not an official one, but this gives a pretty comprehensive list of what's been mentioned to be coming to the game https://imgur.com/a/yBUsBg2

[icy flare]

Nice thanks 👍🏼
To bad there is no official thing

[analog owl]

Hey guys I remember one of the devs said it's really hard to make queues for Unreal Engine ? But "Squad" game has huge queues....

[burnt bone]

hard doesn't mean impossible, just difficult and time consuming.

[analog owl]

Am i in a queue wtf

I mean honestly they should charge $35-40 for the game to help with costs and things like that

[lilac bolt]

They've said Money isn't a issue

[limber hull]

@proud coral iirc people complained a ton about the first iteration because hard to see with

[proud coral]

First iteration was the lines though 😮

[limber hull]

the first one you posted

[proud coral]

Oh I can see pun how it could be a little too dark, but brightening it to current NV levels is just an eyesore ;o; Something in between would work.

Current NV just feels overexposed and so.....f l a t.

2nd iteration at least let you discern things more easily and wasn't a flashbang

[limber hull]

@little cove its not the turn radius, its the ridiculous hitbox

[icy lion]

Which is getting reduced

Thankfully

[limber hull]

yes, thank god

[little cove]

I never mentioned turn radius, please actually read my suggestion as I said "Radius/range of it's charge"

[icy lion]

Yea, that's the hitbox

[limber hull]

radius is generally used in reference to turn radius, intentional or not

many people can and will misread that, but i agree nonetheless, even if i got confused

[maiden anvil]

I deeply appreciate it😁

[little cove]

Oh thank god

[lucid robin]

mm yes cool bloodiness

[north quiver]

god yes please add more bloodiness

[limber hull]

bleedblood

[minor ether]

Key wording was the first part, “Charge” radius, not “Turn”

[limber hull]

people say that while still referring to the turn

i've had the same term used in reference to the turn radius

[minor ether]

Charge and turn do not mean the same thing

But yes, thank god that’s getting nerfed- too many times I’ve been hit on my tail by a carno charge I shouldn’t have gotten hit with and then I end up dying after 3 tail bites/charges from a carno

[limber hull]

yea, for sure

i love the new charge, hate the hitbox

[rare fractal]

(would also be nice if it got it's damage and knockdowns seriously looked at)

[limber hull]

for sure

[barren crater]

[small anchor]

🫶you're really creative man!

[maiden anvil]

[stable mica]

@limber hull what purpose does camera lock even serve besides just being a minor inconvenience for everyone

oh wrong person lmfao

there we go had to fix the tag

[lapis swallow]

The cam lock is really bad rn, worse than what we had before. But with some tweaking they could make it a actual mechanic and not just a camera lock

I dont want it removed, just tweaked and worked on

[tall hearth]

Want to look behind you? Stop eating and drinking. Like real animals do. They raise their heads up, look around, go back to doing whatever.

The camera angles could be widened a bit depending on the playable and it needs improved on where it think the center is but other than that I quite like it

With my head in my food I should not be seeing 360 degrees tbh

[stone mantle]

some dinos take an eternity to disengage from eating/drinking so it's hard to react to potential threats

[lapis swallow]

You could make it that you are able to look around while drinking and eating, but if you go past a certain point, you stop drinking/eating and when you turn to the food/water again, you start drinking/eating again

[tall hearth]

Then we fix that instead of removing camera lock

[tall hearth]

I'd find that perfectly fine

[stable mica]

if footsteps and audio traveling was better like in legacy I wouldnt mind camerea lock so much but my sound is pretty normal with like master volume at 40-50 bc the game hurts my ears anything passed that point and I still cannot hear most animals footsteps even things as large as stego or carno can just sneak up on you somehow

if we had it like legacy were you could actually hear a large animal nearby the locked eating and drinking wouldnt be so awful but as of rn its just not necessary esp when youre locked into anims while doing those actions anyway it literally benefits nobody

a radius increase on how far you could turn would be fine if it was actually meaningful but the system would just be better off gone imo its not super complicated and I dont think people would be crying on their knees if it was gone lmfao

alot of evrima feels very clunky rn and the camera lock really adds onto that

[tall hearth]

Sound messed up a bit during u6. I think the devs are fixing that issue next update or so

Before update 6 sounds were very audible and traveled much further

[stable mica]

dont understand how they just dont release a patch midway through to actually fix it but even then the sounds themselves just need a overhaul imo legacy had much better ways for you to tell where things were coming from or where they were with footsteps and vocals

also just give some of the tiny AI quiter footsteps and not like utah lvl footsteps idk why the little chicken and frog AI have such loud footsteps lmfao

[limber hull]

audio got really messed up in U6, something the devs are aware of and working on

[tall hearth]

They're working on switching the game to unreal engine 5, so atm going back and working on a patch for a game in unreal engine 4 (I think) is a waste of their time atm.

[stable mica]

ah yes the audio is broken in a game where your survival can entirely rely on audio alone lets just not fix it bc of UE5 (cluess)

[limber hull]

i mean, in order to fix it, they have to go back an entire engine lol

rather than just fix it and more, along with adding UE5

[stable mica]

Still odd that it just wasn't touched i get priorities or whatever but atleast dont leave one of the most important aspect of the game kinda broken 💀

[limber hull]

audio was fine in prior updates, the sound just got scuffed with U6

[stable mica]

still not the biggest fan of evrima sound traveling etc even before U6 it felt like you couldnt pinpoint people properly

[lapis swallow]

You could pinpoint them very vell

[limber hull]

i didnt really have that problem

maybe it was different for you

post U6, 100%, audio is a nightmare

[lapis swallow]

I once tracked a baby steg that was at nw spawn and I was at lower center

[limber hull]

but if a stego called across the plains, and I ran in that direction (assuming the stego didn't move), I could more than likely find said stego

[scarlet ocean]

Sound tracking was indeed good, but u do need a pretty decently expensive headset that has good surround sound

[stable mica]

I dont play isle all too often anymore mostly cuz its been the same game for like a year and half now so there really wasnt much of a reason to

before U6 mind you so thats just probably why

[lapis swallow]

Me with a 60 euro one

[stone mantle]

my directional hearing is complete garbage so even with decent headphones i struggle with pinpointing the direction noise is coming from

in both legacy and evrima. but i could also be overestimating my headphones

[junior abyss]

omni doesn't need a buff

[lucid robin]

#general-feedback message
peoples' opinions on de blood?

i think it would be super unique and possibly useful, but also u can look like u just murdered someone if u want to (cuz u probably did just murder someone to get the corpse to go into)

[little cove]

@noble bough

The "stress" that you mentioned would also be good for mix packing from animals of different species or diet needs being near each other for too long like a herbivore near a carnivore can cause them stress

[noble bough]

Yep!

[proud coral]

Stress mechanics have lots of abuse potential <:/ All it takes is one troll following someone that cannot fight them, nor run away, and they just keep following them to cause their character stress ;-;

[little cove]

In Evrima it's very easy to lose someone due to all the foliage from being a small Hypsi being able to easily run and outmaneuver the current playable's to a stego that can nearly 1 or 2 hit anything in the current playable's, won't be a problem you simply have to move away from each other

And don't forget this can go both ways so the animal following you will also get those debuffs from stress

[proud coral]

Still becomes an issue when you account for things like tracking and players who are simply good at chasing 😛 Also becomes an issue when you're hiding from something that lingers too long. "Hmm? Oh I am getting stressed, something is around here, cool"

And as for the trolls getting debuffs, they don't care. Many players will put themselves through anything just to spite someone, it happens a lot

[little cove]

Tracking can be lost from the time limit and the tracks disappearing in a few minutes, bleeding can be stopped by wallowing and depending on how much bleed the player has on them the bleeding can stop on its own

Now yes there are players who are good at tracking, that doesn't always mean they always are successful

[proud coral]

It's still important to account for the situations where say a player is successful, or mudpools are too far, etc. <:/

[little cove]

Again, you don't always need a mud pool to stop bleeding, simply outsmarting the person tracking you is enough to get away, you can run circles to get the tracks mixed up so they disappear

[proud coral]

I still think stress is a poor way to go about dealing with problematic mixpacking <:/ There are MUCH better ways than having players get debuffs simply because another player existed near them.

Plus again, there WILL be times someone can chase you down. What if you're something that is awful in jungle for instance? And then there's other issues like hunting and ambushing. What if you're hunting someone and suddenly for them "oh, stress, better run since that means something is near!"

[little cove]

Tracking is harder during the day and slightly easier at night from blood being more vibrant yes but what if the victim isn't bleeding, the tracks themselves are still not very vibrant even at night and from them being spaced out so much if the player zig zags and circles around to help lose said tracks

[proud coral]

As I said before, you still need to account for the situations where the victim IS bleeding for instance, or mudpools are simply too far, etc. And it also doesn't help with the problems I mentioned above

[little cove]

Again, depending on how severe the bleeding is, the bleeding can always heal itself and if the bleeding is too severe then the prey-player can outsmart the tracker-player by zig zagging, running through lots of foliage and running circles to cause blood to go everywhere throwing off the real tracks of blood and confusing the tracker.

[proud coral]

So what about the hiding/ambushing issues I mentioned then

[little cove]

Idk where you said hiding/ambushing but alrighty

There will always be the case of not being able to see the predator and if the predator ambushes successfully then that depends on how well the prey-player defends themselves to get affective bleeding, like a Omni raptor depending on its prey let's say a pachy it would need to get at least 2 pounces for the bleed to be most affective or if instead they want to bite they would need at least 5-6 bites to get affective enough bleed,

Now what if it's a Omni and a Dryo? You would only need 1 pounce to bleed out a Dryo that is if they are constantly running, if out in a open field then yeah they run it's very easy to track blood and find the dryo, if it's through the forest then it can get tricker then it's a 50/50 chance of they Dryo finds a spot to rest

[tall hearth]

what if a herrera is sitting in a tree near another herb but neither of them know the other is there? hows the game supposed to differentiate mixpacking from 2 animals co-existing but never interacting

[rare fractal]

You don't just need 1 pounce to bleed a dryo, you only need 1 bite, maybe 2

A pounce on a dryo just kills one

[little cove]

If it's a Omni and a Hypsi well obviously the Hypsi would be dead with 1 bite or pounce same with a ptera

With a Teno it would take Several pounces to get affective bleed and counting how much stamina it takes to pounce

[little cove]

Ah very true, the last time I caught a Dryo as a Omni I gave it a full stam pounce and just followed it till it got tired and thought it lost me

Then again that Dryo ran in a straight line so it was easy to track

[rare fractal]

How did it survive? You would've had to have been at most, a large juvi

Cuz 3 ticks of pounce damage just straight up kills them

[little cove]

I wasn't fully grown I was a 78%

[rare fractal]

Still.....

Huh, maybe it was just a particularly beefy dryo

Cuz you'd still be doing like...40 per tick

[little cove]

I mean again stamina drains like nothing now so it was only like 3 seconds

[rare fractal]

Not against dryos if you pin them

Because if you were small enough to pounce but not pin them you couldn't have been larger than 40% or so

[little cove]

I don't get what you're trying to get at but alright

[rare fractal]

I'm just confused, it's impossible to pounce a dryo past like...30% of your growth and for it to survive

[little cove]

But it did survive, not for long cause it bleed out to my guess it was probably on 4/3% health cause it is possible hell I saw a 81% grown Omni pounce a full grown Dryo and it lived but bleed out a second later

I would know cause that 81% Omni was my friend lol at that point we were both surprised the dryo lived the pounce

How did this conversation go from a stress mechanic to stop mix packing to going to a being tracking case then to a case about pouncing a dryo O-O?

[urban flax]

That's it
I'm making a copypasta list of why stress debuffs are bad

[rare fractal]

Pls do

[urban flax]

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

[urban flax]

Tell me if I forgot something

[limber hull]

a work of modern art

[lucid mauve]

I mean if "The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival". Then mixpacking is a must, your not surviving anymore your thriving. Its like putting the game on easy mode. And if that is your veiw on the game, your for mixpacking ?

[urban flax]

Read the rest of the list ?
There are several forms of mixpacking

If a ptera hanging around a group of raptors is mixpacking for you, then yeah, I'm for mixpacking

[lucid mauve]

yes, but thats not mixpacking. Its when they start hunting/chasing/attacking same target

[limber hull]

A ptera flying above raptors to see if it can steal a piece of their kill sounds fine to me

[limber hull]

so why punish those who aren't mixpacking

because thats what stress does

[urban flax]

What should they do then ? A group of raptors want to hunt a stego but since there's a carno attacking that same stego they should just ignore them ?

[limber hull]

it punishes people who aren't mixpacking, with the occasional punishment to an actual mixpacker

[lucid mauve]

Im not for any stress, noone should get punushed for beeing close to another dino.

But im not for 2 allos hunting/chasing same targets. etc

with 2 albertos

[urban flax]

So what, should they abandon a hunt because there's a group of another species chasing the same target ?

[lucid mauve]

Well if me and you play the game, i play as allo and you play as alberto. We walk around, chase hunt eat togheter. I would call that mixpacking.

[urban flax]

That's not what I mentioned in my list
I mentioned "alliance of circumstance"
Ofc if two players decide to pick different species and play together that's mixpacking

[lucid mauve]

yes, and thats what 99% do. I think of my 1.5k hours in legacy it was one time i attacked same target as another guy.

Without me knowing

[lilac bolt]

shouldn't it just be a rule in certain servers rather than a whole debuff?

[lucid mauve]

True, some will break it. But still most will follow if they enforce it

[urban flax]

Unofficials can do whatever they want
I prefer officials to not have arbitrary rules

[lilac bolt]

yeah

[urban flax]

Maybe I should have included the actual solution to mixpacking in my list
Which is applying the megapack scent to mixpacks

[limber hull]

some of my best in-game experiences would have never happened if there existed a "mixpacking debuff" that punished me for being around other species

[north quiver]

I still to this day have no idea why they decided to remove it

[urban flax]

I wasn't aware it was ever in

[dull zodiac]

Isnt mixpacking not That bad as long as the dinos are in the at least same size category and both herb or carnivores?

[limber hull]

i'd make said scent actually passively scentable, not even needing you to press Q. Maybe you get an alert to the scent, that way, mixpackers lose any and all element of surprise

[north quiver]

It was in last update. Large packs had a red pack symbol

[urban flax]

Mixpacking isn't that bad unless it's for griefing

[lilac bolt]

yeah

[urban flax]

Everything should be passively scentable up to a certain range tbh
Like deino's water sense

[urban flax]

I meant for mixpacks, but yeah I remember the megapack scent

[lucid mauve]

Not bad ? If im mixpacking i take away the pros/cons of dinos. Its thriving

[dull zodiac]

Would you say that too for cross packing? carnivores to herb

[urban flax]

Depends
What's wrong with a ptera hanging around a stego ?

[lilac bolt]

it depends on the dinos in the pack

[urban flax]

If you meet another dino, decide to trust them out of nowhere, and it happens that you can trust them, then yeah

[north quiver]

iirc it picked up on mixpacking too (not sure how well or consistently though). A stego and a some tenos triggered it occasionally it seemed like and the same with other species coming together

[urban flax]

If it isn't premade, without the option to chat or group up it's unlikely that they will stay around each other for long or be efficient at hunting anyways

[dull zodiac]

i think it just takes the cons since if you mixpack with something stronger then you are covering up for your weaknesses, its basically like putting the game on easy mode like someone said, even more so if you are with an Apex Predator

[lucid mauve]

If im hunting with carnos/utahs/dilos. Its easy mode. And whatever we go for, can more or less just push the "quit" button

Unless its an apex or something

[urban flax]

The point is you can't prevent that without also punishing players who didn't deserve it

[lucid mauve]

Who dont deserve it ? If it a rules saying mixpacking not allowed

[lilac bolt]

yeah other dino's should be able to be calm around each other if they want without having to worry about a debuff

[dull zodiac]

I think this is actually a really good idea if implemented correctly

[urban flax]

I don't care about rules, if there's a NO MIXPACKING rule on that server it's stupid and I won't play on it

[north quiver]

admins aren’t gonna enforce that if it’s rare to get them on for hackers

[lucid mauve]

Yes, but that is your personal opinion. Not all share same, not that i disagree that official should have it tho.

[dull zodiac]

if its a rule people will just break it and at the amount of people who will do it i think that's just too much work for mods and i dont think mixpacking can really be tracked

[urban flax]

Officials with rules are a testimony of failed game design. So they sholdn't have them.

[lucid mauve]

Even ark has rules on official, not that anyone follows them.

[lucid mauve]

yea, true, if they cant enforce them. No need to have them

[dull zodiac]

its understandable if its only not allowed for herbs and carnivores to do it

[urban flax]

Doesn't change my point

[north quiver]

ark official is the place where you go to fill yourself with dread and suffering

[urban flax]

I hate the "herbivores are friends among each other and carnivores are friends among each other but herbis and carnis must kill each other on sight" mindset
The ecosystem is much more complex and nuanced than that

[lucid mauve]

yes, and thats why modded/community servers are thriving. Cus they have rules people actuyally follow

[dull zodiac]

Mixpacking isnt really a by game fixable problem right? its just a concept for players

[urban flax]

Why would a cerato and a stego try to kill each other for example ? It would be more profitable for both if the cera just followed the stego around and ate the bodies it left in its wake

[dull zodiac]

i know but and i havent meant it like that for example i wouldn't really be here for a Allo + Rex duo since it doesnt make sense to me why these both would team up and also why should a Galli hang around a Trike

[urban flax]

Yes that's what I mean
Not all herbivores are cuddly teddybears to each other
And not all carnivores are merciless killers

[lilac bolt]

yeah its not like carnivores and herbivores constantly fight all the time

[north quiver]

It can be discouraged but not fully prevented (e.g mixpack symbols very visible even far away via scent, requiring more food to successfully sustain said mixpack, etc.)

no one in their right mind is going to go near a mixpack symbol if they want to survive and not feed a horde

[dull zodiac]

Carnivores should be merciless to some extend by game design tho i appreciated chilling with rexes as an Allo (not hunting)

[urban flax]

It could be prevented but not in a healthy way. The goal there is to make the game as enjoyable and fair as possible for everyone, not to force a specific behavior on players

[urban flax]

No, that's deathmatch mentality
Kill for food, do something else the rest of the time

[lucid mauve]

And what would 99% of people do if someone wanted to atttack those rexes your chilling with? You would prob start helping the rexes

[dull zodiac]

right good idea tho now that i think about it a mixpack wont ever be possible if being able to be noticed that easily since the carnivores will just starve to death if they dont catch something somehow

[dull zodiac]

well making food drain slower would be one way to make players more passive tho griefers dont kill for food

[urban flax]

Have I ever introduced you to Wavepoole's diet rework ?

[dull zodiac]

nope, you think imma wrestle that Giga who offed a fellow rex?

[dull zodiac]

Tell me about it

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[dull zodiac]

thx in advance

[north quiver]

slower food drain will encourage mixpacking to an extent. no need to kill if you’re full unless you’re looking for a fight. it’d encourage more snuggle-cuddle time between players rather than “oh crap I need to kill this dude or I’m going to lose hours of progress”

[lucid mauve]

No but you could make sure that giga would never heal/sit etc

[urban flax]

That's where the earlier mentioned diet rework comes in handy

[dull zodiac]

interesting tho im not particularly keen on the starving juvi part since juvis cant really hunt that well and ais (i am still playing legacy so idk about evrima) dont give enough food for prolonged time
tho i understand the prevent afk/ai farming argument

[north quiver]

I personally don’t like that rework. I like the idea of meats giving diets. I’m more interested in the idea of salt slowing nutrient drain instead of hunger % affecting it

[urban flax]

Juvies can live off AI pretty easily in evrima

[north quiver]

gives the beloved salt licks more of a use

[urban flax]

Meat giving diets makes it too easy, also imagine the shopping lists we have but with 57 creatures on the roster

[icy flare]

Im with ya on this I don’t understand the paradox that people complain bout mix carnis while there sitting in a group of 5 different herbys . That not natural at all

[north quiver]

let the shopping lists flood in

[dull zodiac]

well yeah i could have done that

[urban flax]

Actually that reminds me there should be more agency in the healing process
Like two types of healing plants, one that accelerates health regen and one that accelerates fracture regen

[north quiver]

I like that

[urban flax]

Jurassic Park/World fans

[icy flare]

😂

[dull zodiac]

tbh one thing that always has bugged me was the growth times

[north quiver]

powerful creatures should understandably take far more time to grow because they’re powerful. if growth times were short you’d see a lot more huge and powerful dinos waltzing about

[urban flax]

Time frames are scuffed in The Isle
Like, the full day-night cycle is around 1 hour
Which means a raptor take approximately 24 in-game hours to grow to adulthood
A carnotaurus who ate at breakfast for the last time is dead of starvation by the time the sun sets

[north quiver]

it also makes people think twice about getting into conflicts if they think they might die

[lucid mauve]

Yea sorta, but powerfull dont mean best. A rex still need to sneak up on something, if it gets seen. Hunt is over

[lilac bolt]

i feel like anything past 8 hours to grow one dino is too long thats spending a entire portion of the day or over multiple days when you dino can die at any time

[urban flax]

I agree
I'm for 6-7 hours apexes max

[north quiver]

if apexes are done right then it’ll be rare to see rexes and everything of the likes. needs to require skill, patience, and dedication to successfully grow

[urban flax]

Making something hard to grow>Making something mind-numbingly long to grow

[dull zodiac]

i know but still i dont want to wait and be on full guard for 3 Hours to start enjoying average Allo life at least shortening them would be nice and i know big preds should take longer but iirc a rex takes 6 hours right? that's commitment right there which can be just offed by a random Utah (i know im talking with Legacy dinos refs but id imagine theyd take the same time in evrima)

[north quiver]

^ yes. preferably hard in the skill department. noobies shouldn’t be able to grow a rex their first day or get friends to carry them through the growth with ease

[lilac bolt]

yeah most of the time its just a walking sim then every once in a while you fight or see another dino most of the time in between is boring so im hoping with the perk and elder system it makes growing the actual dino fun

[north quiver]

I firmly believe a utah won’t be able to off a rex because you have in-place turning in evrima

[urban flax]

Yeah evrima rex on't be killed by a utah for sure (nor an omni)

[dull zodiac]

take 2 Utahs he ded, i have seen this countless times even with in-place turning and those rexes weren't really bad

[urban flax]

2 utahs won't be match for a rex either, with how evrima fights work
I'm thinking it will require 10 of them at the very least

[north quiver]

average omni players can’t even take on a single stego. no way a rex is going to get slaughtered by even a full pack of omnis lol

[limber hull]

Personally, I'd like to see heightened metabolism at a younger age, meaning smaller animals need to eat more frequently to grow

Does this make it that juvis are now more at risk from starvation, along with risk of death by other animals that also want the same meals or want it as a meal? Yes.

Does this make it far more beneficial to nest so that your early juvi stage can have a provider to assist you while trying to survive? Also yes.

Does this help weaken AFK growth considerably by making that sitting around for too long leads to quick starvation? Additionally yes.

Does all of this make apexes MUCH harder to grow, due to the larger size/more food necessary/longer time spent being a juvi and thus, more time needing that massive food intake? Absolutely

[lilac bolt]

yeah its a pretty good idea overall

and apexs should be challenging to grow considering they're the strongest dinos in the game

[limber hull]

Only issue is, once again, diets are SO RIDICULOUSLY demanding, that satiating yourself would be a problem

[dull zodiac]

seems like combat improved much in Evrima?

[limber hull]

Ideally, organs will be more weight-based in the future

[urban flax]

Yeah a lot

Dinos can now move like actual animals, they have multiple attacks and tailriding is no longer a thing

[urban flax]

Ideally, organs' size will depend on the animal they belong to instead of the animal who picked them up

[north quiver]

combat, yes. optimization? not so much

[dull zodiac]

I am still for it that some Dinos are harder to grow and not need that much Longer times as i am not a fan of strolling around 3 Hours needing to watch my back and front till i can safely rely on my specialties as the Dino im playing

[dull zodiac]

optimization like what?

[north quiver]

performance. frames. fps

[urban flax]

Game runs at 5 fps for most people during combat

[dull zodiac]

oof well im still on Legacy till Evrima drops Allosaurus

[urban flax]

Honestly legacy may be deleted before allosaurus drops in evrima

[lilac bolt]

yeah

[north quiver]

when I first got the isle I went straight to evrima. only touched legacy months later for about 30 mins then switched back again because it was so…

bad

[barren crater]

They said they won't delete legacy

[urban flax]

I bought The Isle around 1 week before Evrima's release and I was like "wtf that's not how the game looked in the trailer (hope) !"
And then evrima released and I was happy

[urban flax]

That is contradictory to what they've been saying for the past few years

[north quiver]

lol

[barren crater]

#isle-discussion message Not really a 100% but yeah lmao

[lilac bolt]

the entire point of evrima is to replace legacy?

[north quiver]

the only issue I see with legacy getting deleted is all of the legacy rex and giga mains will be crying about how hard it is to grow their rexes and gigas

[barren crater]

Evrima may just be the main branch, while legacy would remain as a side branch

#isle-discussion message

[lilac bolt]

oh ok

[dull zodiac]

And that literally the players who were there for the vast available choice of dinosaurs are gonna disappear

I do not dislike evrima tho i am definitely sad that there are only so few dinos to pick from

[urban flax]

There's gonna be 4 new dinos next update
And there's only gonna be more as time goes
Also one could argue there's already more variety in the evrima roster than in legacy, since all legacy dinos are pretty much copy-pasted in terms of gameplay

[dull zodiac]

Could you link me where that stands with the 4 dinos? and i guess i should try evrima again soon i think ive missed a couple things

[urban flax]

I don't have a link but I can tell you the 4 new dinos will be troodon, beipiaosaurus, ceratosaurus and gallimimus

[dull zodiac]

cerato is the closest i can get to allo so its nice to know tho but id guess playing beipi would be an interesting thing too since i always wanted a sort of Amphibian dino or even a full on water dinosaur

how realistically is it that actual only-water dinos would get implemented?

[urban flax]

on a scale from 1 to 10 ?
1
Maybe in a dlc in the very far future

[dull zodiac]

didnt think that it would be that low i mean the swimming system is already in and eating inside it also so you just gotta take the legs off of the big croc and there you go: fish

[urban flax]

And it's boring

[dull zodiac]

yeah welp

[urban flax]

Deino already hardly interacts with anything else, how would a fully aquatic go ?

[dull zodiac]

i dont have any idea for that i just thought of the possibility of playable Aquatic life

[urban flax]

That could work in a map that is designed around full aquatics

[smoky flame]

Bets are accepted: Which of the new dinosaurs will be more broken and how many years will it take to fix them?

[limber hull]

im not placing bets on being a massive doomer lol

[smoky flame]

its not be doomer

[uneven mist]

Well the fist answer is easy, troodon and cera will be broken open release

[smoky flame]

i hope they surprise me with a epic balanced dinos

[limber hull]

they're doing an entire combat test for a reason

[smoky flame]

idk because they stay in silence all time

0 oficial comunicates

[limber hull]

if we leave out all of the times they aren't silent, then sure

it's not like devs will actively talk/share stuff with the community basically every week

oh wait, they do

[smoky flame]

yes but Im talking about information no about artworks

las post in the roadmap

[limber hull]

so the devlogs, or the fact that kissen/punch will drop in the discord and do mini Q&As aren't enough?

[rare fractal]

Perfection incarnate

[smoky flame]

they need to do that or they lost the early access on Steam, is just about Steam terms

[limber hull]

what?

[smoky flame]

but they have 1 update per year

[barren crater]

🤨 ?

[limber hull]

that's absolutely not how steam works at all

[smoky flame]

so info is confusing at all

[limber hull]

as someone who has quite literally worked on a video game, on steam, that's absolutely not a term steam has

[smoky flame]

im dev, i have a sht game on Steam, and works like that

[limber hull]

news to me

[smoky flame]

if u want the early access rol u have to meet some conditions

and one of them is something like you need to keep your devblog updated

[limber hull]

okay, so explain why they come in and do Q&As usually more than once a week on discord?

will discord remove the server if they don't interact with their community?

[smoky flame]

i never see them doing that

for that i told you i never had any information only the devblog from Steam

and some artworks

[limber hull]

so because you don't see it, it doesn't happen?

hardly fair

[smoky flame]

I never see a post saying they will go to talk about something

so if no one comunicate it its impossible i know they do that

[limber hull]

why would they make a post announcing an impromptu talk with the community in #isle-discussion

[smoky flame]

To keep your community informed?

[limber hull]

about what? wouldn't announcement channels be cluttered with useless "hi guys we're going to type in a discord channel" announcements, instead of really substantial announcements

[smoky flame]

just with @ everyone Devs will be talk in General 1

[limber hull]

wow that won't get extremely annoying

people would get sick of that within a week

[smoky flame]

if it is so annoying

[limber hull]

oh great, i get to remove my ability to know when updates are released because 95% of the announcements are completely useless

[smoky flame]

And so if someone is interested in listening, they could find out and they would stop being just talks among themselves.

[limber hull]

they dont do the Q&As in VCs btw

they do it in #isle-discussion

[lapis swallow]

What are we talking about?

[limber hull]

you can quite literally search up KissenKitten in the search bar and get TONS of info

[smoky flame]

yes is a truth

But as I told you, if they don't announce anything, I can't constantly read a general chat until a dev's name appears.

[urban flax]

When they come in isle discussion the devs already are flooded with way more questions than they can answer
Adding a ping would only make that worse

[smoky flame]

maybe they advertise it somewhere and I'm not finding out where

[lapis swallow]

Yes, its really packed. More than half of the questions dont get answered

[smoky flame]

yes its like popular Streamer

we are a lot of people with a lot of questions

[lapis swallow]

Thus not every single one of them can be answered

[smoky flame]

yes but if they anunced they are anwering questions, we can only read and perhaps some of your questions were asked by another person and I answered them.

put it in an other chat with a time restriction

[urban flax]

You know people wouldn't just sit and read
They would flood the channel with questions

[smoky flame]

about only 1 quest everyperson and they can go answering

[smoky flame]

Time restriction 1h

[urban flax]

So instead of just hanging around in chat and chill with their community they have to make it official and a chore ?

[barren crater]

That would be an insane amount of questions

[smoky flame]

I just want to support the project because it seems like new air to me, but I want to find out about things

[urban flax]

If they had to do a special announcement, create a specific channel and turn thesmelves into anser machines every time they want to have a chat in there you would never see a dev in this server anymore

[urban flax]

The is a youtube channel called The Isle news that sums up pretty much everything that happens in here and during streams

[smoky flame]

I need to see it

[lapis swallow]

@bright abyss A dogde system surely wont be buggy and unreliabld as heck for people with higher ping

[urban flax]

Also omni can already jump out of the way of an attack...
By pressing jump

[bright abyss]

sad so far the only one that has a "dodge" ability is the dryo, even though the idea that I imagined was something like... jump back, but if it is impossible to add something like that, then there is not much to do with the pvp in the game

[limber hull]

I also don't really see why omni needs a better chance against pachy

[misty spire]

They are similar size build and it’s on the diet?

[limber hull]

Elite fish is on ptera's diet

Stego is on deino's diet

[misty spire]

Stegos are killable

Petras are scavengers

[limber hull]

Pachy's current problem isn't that it curbstomps omni, it should do that, it should bully the hell out of every goddamn small-tier in the game

Pachy's problem is that it can kill carnos and tenos with relative ease, which is a massive issue

[misty spire]

Pachy shouldn’t be able to wipe out 8+ Omni’s with a group of 3+

[limber hull]

Well, first of all, if your 8+ omnis are dying to 3+ pachies, that's an insane skill issue, second of all, pachy SHOULD be a menace to omnis

[misty spire]

That’s not a skill issue it’s one fracture and the Omni is out of the fight

[limber hull]

That's the idea

[bright abyss]

So, do we nerf pachy?

[misty spire]

I think the fight should be in pachys favor but a pachy shouldn’t have a 95% chance of winning

[limber hull]

Nerf pachy, 100%, but only against carno and teno

[misty spire]

L opinion

[limber hull]

Why?

[barren crater]

❌ The whole idea behind pachy was for it to be anti omni

[limber hull]

Why does pachy need to be predated upon by things it should absolutely be built to bully

Pachy has been referenced CONSTANTLY as bane of omni

When the devs revealed it, it was stated to be an omni's worst nightmare

[misty spire]

I’m fine with the fight being scewed in its favor but not next to impossible it’s called balance

[barren crater]

It is balanced. Omni can run away

[limber hull]

Pachy should be concerned about larger predators, specifically carno

[misty spire]

💀💀

[limber hull]

He's not wrong

Omni is faster than pachy

[bright abyss]

Hopefully God heard you

[scarlet ocean]

Balance is not what can fight who 💀 sometimes the best thing to do is not engage at all

[misty spire]

Obviously

[scarlet ocean]

Aka, a playable having a really bad matchup

Which is Omni and pachy

[lapis swallow]

And omni and carno
And omni and stego

[barren crater]

Omni is meant to perform terribly 1 v1 against equal sized creatures or larger lol.

[limber hull]

Carno should scare that which is much smaller than it, pachy should scare that within its own size range, omni should scare larger animals (in packs)

[misty spire]

Again I understand I don’t disagree I just don’t think it should be next to impossible to fight it

Omni v carno isn’t that bad tbf

Besides the hit box issue they are fixing

[scarlet ocean]

I sort of agree with you, 95% win rate with 2 Omnis per 1 pachy is much, I would personally say 80%. But if the talk is about 1v1, 95% seems decent

2-3 Omnis per pachy**

[barren crater]

It's a tough fight 2 v1, but it's very possible

[misty spire]

Maybe 80% if the pachy is awful 💀

[barren crater]

I'd even say its Omni sided in the open

2 v 1

[misty spire]

A 1v1 is possible I’ve done it personally but it’s not fun to do by any means

[limber hull]

ESPECIALLY pachy

[scarlet ocean]

Also why pachy bad when the only creature it truly will bully is Omni?? (And then galli, beipi and troodon in 6.5)
Pachy still will have to worry about basically everything else

Just not Omnis,

[limber hull]

Pachy should bully anything below 1 ton

Let pachy swamp dilo

dilo approaches pachy during day
death

[scarlet ocean]

I’m 50/50 on that dilo thing, depending on what dilo does. I see dilo as a bigger stronger Omni without pounce, so if it’s 3 Omnis per 1 pachy, 1.5-1 dilos per pachy. Since it is very much bigger

1.5-2

**

[limber hull]

I stand by letting pachy crush dilo outside of night

[scarlet ocean]

Hmm

[misty spire]

💀

[barren crater]

I mean, it should still crush it in a brawl. Dilo should still attempt to sneak attack it and allow hallucinations to do the work + whatever other properties venom has

[scarlet ocean]

I feel like there may be tiny exceptions depending on the Dino’s abilities, pachy would still remain bully of small tiers

[limber hull]

Fair

If pachy can't bully the hell out of the small tier, it really doesn't have much going for it

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah, ofc

Remain bully, but don’t remain needing 3 OF ANY small tiers vs 1 pachy, some small tiers are simply stronger than some others, like troodon and dilo for example

[limber hull]

Like, in the hypothetical situation where it isn't insanely oppressive against pseudo-mids or whatever the hell you wanna call the 1-2 ton tier, it SHOULD be a menace to all the smalls

[scarlet ocean]

Probably will, after the pseudo-mid genocide nerfs, but no way that a pachy performs as well vs 2 Dino’s that are like 40-50kg’s, compared to 2 Dino’s that are 700+

Clearly it would do somewhat worse against something bigger than a spec on the floor

[barren crater]

Body fracture goes a long way honestly.

Depends on location as well

[scarlet ocean]

Ignoring fractures, the only way to suddeed in a pachy hunt is to not get hit at all

Fracture on small tiers should result or remain in 100% death

[barren crater]

Imo, they should both be equal in speed (dilo & pachy)

or very close at least

[barren crater]

Yeah pretty much

[scarlet ocean]

So when I’m talking about a pachy vs 2 50kg animals, and a pachy vs 2 700kg animals, it shouldn’t be the same difficulty of fight. (Whilst ignoring getting hit with a ram at all)

That would feel odd

[barren crater]

Yes 100%

[scarlet ocean]

Pachy can still bully every small tier as it should without every small tier being 100% fodder.

[barren crater]

2 - 700kg animals likely can attempt to nearly facetank a pachy

[scarlet ocean]

Doubt facetank, they’d still need to avoid fractures, one leg break or body break and they’re gone

[barren crater]

Depends on the damage they have lol

[scarlet ocean]

Fair enough

Pachy is a glass cannon bully,

Doesn’t have the health, but has the bully capabilities and strength

I suppose we’ll see when all the other small tiers come out

[bright abyss]

I hope a balance with the dinos, I see something wrong with putting dinosaurs that are completely left out because they are very weak or almost useless for many situations

[limber hull]

to balance the game, carno and pachy need adjustments

im glad to hear that at least U6.5 will be bringing a deino nerf

[tidal prawn]

@austere axle I'd like to know why people downvote your feedback for me I kinda cant up nor downvote but its at least an idea

[scarlet ocean]

It will???

[limber hull]

Yea, the water sense

[scarlet ocean]

Ooh, I wouldn’t call that a nerf

That was said to be done on deinos release, but not enough time

[limber hull]

That's absolutely a nerf

[tidal prawn]

Mr. Diablo whats your take on apexes

[limber hull]

Like... In general?

[tidal prawn]

Yea

[limber hull]

I'm cool with 'em, I'm not anti-apex, I really do want to see a rex roam around and have it be a horror moment

[scarlet ocean]

Idk, wouldn’t call it a nerf when it’s been stated to be a part of fresh release deino in the first place, just an add on is coming only now

[limber hull]

It's still a nerf, like how giving deino vert lunge would be a buff

[tidal prawn]

Same but I'm against them overpopulating
An apex should FEEL and BE strong

[limber hull]

Oh for sure

I'm very much on the side of "apexes should be a bastard to grow"

[scarlet ocean]

Agree to disagree 😅 (in ways of, if deino had vertical lunge or less water sense on release, like it was supposed to, no one would call it an extra nerf or buff, cause it would just be the way deino is)

[tidal prawn]

+1 it should be challening but also fun in my opinion

[bright abyss]

What adjustments would you think to make? maybe the only thing I don't like is that it stuns you and gives you 5 hits in a row after that haha In any case, thanks for clarifying that pachy is a total counter to omni, I didn't know that uwu

[limber hull]

i'

sorry wow that completely screwed up

give me another shot at that response lol

i'd have it that pachy can't stun anything over 2x its weight with ram, but all fractures have the universal property of stunning the player when received. Pachy can still fracture carno, which therefore stuns carno, but it can't stunlock carno, because it can only fracture it 3 times

it also would mean you would get a little stunned when falling off a massive cliff and breaking your leg, which i feel is reasonable

[bright abyss]

Well, of course, it would be strange for a pachy to stun a spinosaurus That would give the carno a chance to defend itself and hit the pachy even if it can't move, it's a very good idea, although the developers will do their own magic, I hope one day they will use some of what is discussed here

[cyan mountain]

Why were so many people against the suggestions that Herbivores should be punished for body camping

[austere axle]

@bright abyss imagine a counterattack and a dodge mechanic like in fighting games. eg If you right click on the exact time before an attack you dodge counterattacking, or just "mini-dodge" preventing damage - like a defense system. Sounds nice and challenging to master

[cyan mountain]

Their point didn't really make sense, they said smth about jumping over a pachy as an Omni. But that shouldn't be an animation that should be smth you click yourself. I do believe Omni's should be able to jump over Pachys but their dodging system idea is really flawed

[austere axle]

dunno man haha. I like this idea because it would increase nesting and environmental "reality". But guess the majority prefers pvp.. Didnt get it

[urban flax]

Sure forbidding players from playing apexes is surely a better idea than making them fair and balanced

[tidal prawn]

Put that in feedback:D

I would but since its your take or idea you should

[tidal prawn]

Well anyways I will consider giving an up but need to think about it

[bright abyss]

noo, I didn't think of something like that exactly haha, just imagine a normal jump, you have the normal jump up, my idea was something like press S+Space and you would jump back or A+Space to jump to the sides, giving more movement basically, but it is something very complicated to do then there is no point

[limber hull]

oh boy, i sure love restrictions on player agency and making apexes a highly contested resource, rather than making them balanced and designed in a way that makes them a unique playstyle that isn't for everyone but has its own merits

[cyan mountain]

Off topic but the things Kissen been saying recently has concerned me, I think people just want to hear that there will be some weakness to Apex's but Kissen has only ever talked highly of them. Making it seem like nothing will be nerfed on Apex's and everything will instead be buffed even the stats. There was to much of a power gap in legacy and them only saying that they'll be better in every way is a problem

[urban flax]

I think that you and most people are worrying too much, balance is always subject to change even after a playable's release so you shouldn't take that much credit just from a few words
Especially from Kissen (no hate)

[tidal prawn]

Yeah I am kinda scared
But anyways I hope more people will join rule servers and I can play there
I dont really like the whole KoSing and deathmatch vibes on officials also bodycamping etc etc. So on a server with rules they can maybe be balanced manually

[cyan mountain]

True however someone even asked her that people are worried about them buffing Apex's and that they just want to hear that they'll be some kind of downside to which Kissens response was essentially "they're Apex's for a reason"

[tidal prawn]

Hope youre right

[limber hull]

We're forgetting that legacy apexes were also aided by a billion systems in their favour. Let's go through the list

• A lack of locational damage meaning you could nip at the tail and the thing you're biting would take full damage or die
• Turn radius meaning that if you couldn't tail ride, you were dead
• Rex and giga literally being given stuff like a random leg break chance and the highest in-game trot speed, making them unnecessarily busted
• Weight scaling system meaning trying to punch up would always be less effective than punching down
• Ambush speed, because of course carnis need a unique mechanic to help them better beat down the herbis

[urban flax]

And just like always her words have been misinterpreted

[cyan flame]

Is it really an issue though, if apexes are proper apexes, as long as they can just be avoided and otherwise ignored?

[limber hull]

EVRIMA apexes will be subject to locational damages, a focus more on special abilities and stam management over W+M1 gameplay, no chance-based stuff, their prey also having the same access to versatile abilities that could turn the tide of he hunt, so on

Oh, and AI won't spawn right in front of them when they're hungry like in legacy

[cyan mountain]

True, Legacy had a lot of flaws. But why wouldn't she mention that they'd have downsides aside from the obvious (longer growth time/ more food requirements) and instead keep praising them

[tidal prawn]

I mean there will be counterplay
(I hope) never played legacy unfortunately and I cant bear it seing videos on it

Seen*

[austere axle]

the problem I see in legacy is that half of the server plays as apex... so you can't just avoid that...

[limber hull]

Because why would you spend lots of time talking about the weaknesses of an animal when generating community hype and interest?

[cyan mountain]

It was a paragraph long as usual but she never touched base on their concerns

[limber hull]

Look at cera, this animal has been hyped to the nines as something that obliterates carno in a glance

[tidal prawn]

Expectation vs reality xD

[cyan mountain]

Because the community cares about balance more than anything atp. Everyone is hyped and concerned for Apexs and them hearing only praises and buffs for Apexs just makes people worry that they'll be extremely unbalanced

[cyan flame]

That's fair, but I imagine part of that is the ease of growth and all. I was more so thinking in the terms that people are concerned over the power, which sometimes comes off as "But I can't fight it", which well, may not be the approach to have.

[cyan flame]

Cera is the carno/stego killer!

[limber hull]

By that same logic, you should be concerned about cera

[tidal prawn]

Yeah I just want ways to avoid them

[austere axle]

I hope apexes get all the buff and more. They're apexes. The kind of balance I believe would improve gameplay is only overpop

[cyan mountain]

Well the devs stated obvious downsides to it. Like mentioning them being tanky but with a weak bite force

[tidal prawn]

Because for me I will try apexes but they wont be my main

[limber hull]

And then they showed it having a charge bite which one taps omnis lol

[cyan mountain]

Along with a crazy hunger drain

[barren crater]

Apexes should be something you can hunt. Yes you can ignore them as most playables, but they should be something you can drop in packs of whatever. Depending on what herbis & carnis can punch up to them

[cyan flame]

@cyan mountainI imagine the downsides to apexes will primarily be growing and more importantly, sustaining them. Less so downsides in fighting, but probably not neccesarily very good at hunting/otherwise getting food.

[cyan mountain]

Omni's a glass canon and it was a headshot. Reasonable, try showing a Cera doing that to a Carno or Pachy

[cyan flame]

I don't know, I'm not sure that's how the devs see it, is all. I think they might want apexes to be, well, proper apexes.

[urban flax]

What exactly would hunt an apex, aside from another apex ?

[cyan mountain]

Food might be the biggest downside, but I think some should also have other downsides like Rex being slow and bad stam for example

[cyan flame]

Yeah, that's fair, I would consider them being bad at hunting as one thing that would also limit them somewhat. So terrifying to fight, but they need to work harder to land successful kills (or in the case of herbis, forage more or something) to sustain themselves.

[cyan mountain]

I'd assume Alberto is capable of handling an Apex to an extent, and preferably a huge pack of raptors should be able to take an Apex down, things like Stego should also be fatal of the Apex is stupid enough (if u don't consider Stego an Apex)

[barren crater]

I mean, depends on the creature. Some creatures should be able to in design imo. Allo & Omni for carnis.( alberto?) I don't know how well other creatures can punch up in the herbi class. Maybe Pachyrhino? Idk. Not solo of course, but in groups

[urban flax]

If an alberto can kill a rex then what's the point of playing the slower and harder to grow rex ?

[barren crater]

If so, then that just sucks imo. I don't see a reason as to why they should be untouchable

[urban flax]

Neither allo or alberto strike me as punch-up animals
And omni is kinda too small to punch up that high

[cyan flame]

I'm not personally against that, though I'd say it should depend on the critter punching up vs the targets, since I'd like the apexes to have slightly different good and bad matchups. So omni would be good vs some, allo vs some others, and so on, rather than a "catch all" punch up playable.

[limber hull]

what universe is an alberto handling an apex

[cyan flame]

I kind of agree, I'm just thinking it does seem like the devs do want the apexes to be well, on top of the food chain, which would imply nothing really goes after them aside from another apex.

[barren crater]

Omni punches up to Stego and can drop them. There is no reason why it can't hunt a Rex

[cyan mountain]

Yeah, idk about everyone else but I personally enjoyed the design that Rex couldn't regain stam while standing. I also think Apex's shouldn't be able to crouch but instead lower it's head in a stalking manner or smth similar, kind of like Allo's crouch where it slightly lowers its body but mainly the head, making it look like it's stalking rather than sneaking (although that's pretty much the same thing ig)

[limber hull]

allo can punch up in packs i believe

[urban flax]

There is one
Rex is almost 2x the size of stego

[scarlet ocean]

I don’t want to get too deep into this, but a pack of acros, or a huge pack of mid tiers like allos or Alberto’s not being a semi danger to a rex feels odd

[cyan mountain]

Did you see the girth on that Alberto it was crazy

[limber hull]

are you talking about alberto or acro

[urban flax]

Also stego is currently nerfed down to cater with the roster, I doubt omni will be able to kill it that easily in the future

[cyan flame]

I believe they can't crouch, or at least, the last time we saw such an anim, it was pretty much just a lowering of the body/head, but not full on crouch. Though that is a very old anim, so take it for what it is.

[cyan mountain]

I see Allo as a more prominent Mid tier hunter

[cyan mountain]

Alberto and Acro

[limber hull]

alberto is allo size. its not taking on apexes

[cyan flame]

True, ideally it'd be easier for omnis to hunt trike than stego based on the design of the playables, but then trike is proper apex and stego is not, so maybe not.

[urban flax]

A semi danger yes
But they wouldn't want to hunt it either, unless they're suicidal

[barren crater]

Surely we're not getting 10 - 12t rex lol

[limber hull]

if alberto can beat apexes, just play alberto, apexes aren't worth it

[urban flax]

We may be getting 10 tons rex

With is almost 2x the size of stego

[cyan mountain]

I like that idea a lot, Apex's shouldn't be allowed to crouch, lowering their head at the most. But a Rex could not crouch like how it did in Legacy. But I think that's what they're going for anyways since mid tiers like Carno already don't crouch effectively

[barren crater]

At that size, it better not move any bit quick then cause bruh

[cyan mountain]

Alberto is bigger, and seemingly tankier

[limber hull]

good news rex can trot almost as fast as a human can run in-game

so uh, yea, it's decently quick

[cyan flame]

Depends on if we get accurate sizes or not, or however that sentiment still is. Once upon a time it was said, I think, that they were aiming for more or less accurate sizes so.

[cyan mountain]

Not one on one ofc, anything that isn't an Apex should need a group to take an Apex down

[limber hull]

alberto is barely bigger than allo

[barren crater]

True

[cyan flame]

Endurance hunter rex, please and thank you!

[urban flax]

There is a massive gap between allo's size and rex's size
Allo is around 2 tons
Alberto might be up to 3 tons

[limber hull]

i dont even think alberto should be grouping up to take down apexes, alberto is designed as a cannibalistic, highly competitive animal which doesn't work well in groups iirc

[barren crater]

Eh, that's OK. I don't really see it as that big of an issue with the way mid tiers can run away from them easily. Even small tiers

[cyan mountain]

It looks a bit meatier than in Legacy, like Acro. I could see it being a brawler, and with its size I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe 3 or 4 Alberto's killed an Acro or Rex

[barren crater]

Also evrima allows you to hide tracks if you're bipedal so eh

[cyan mountain]

Yeah no I'm not saying Alberto is massively bigger, but still bigger nonetheless

[cyan flame]

I wish we could get quad "hunker down" sneak movement too

[cyan mountain]

What

[limber hull]

yea

thats a thing

[barren crater]

Agreed

[cyan flame]

If you crouch, you leave no tracks at all, far as I know. So any thing that can crouch, just goes "poof" if you have enough distance and can sneak away.

[cyan mountain]

Spino crouch making it quadrupedal is a good idea imo

[urban flax]

Have you seen how evrima spino looks ?

That thing walking quad would look ridiculous

[cyan mountain]

That's a bit flawed, also I think some animals should be better at tracking then others /srs

[limber hull]

true as lol

[cyan flame]

How you had fun with omnis as dryo, make a mess of footprints, crouch away, watch them run in circles trying to figure out where you went (while you were sitting in the bush right there, in full camo, and just enjoyed the chaos) :p

[barren crater]

Man I wish we could mess up tracks again

[cyan mountain]

Yes it would look weird, but the model could change. Small possiblity Ik but I mean if they remade the Spino like how it looked in the concept art I don't think many would complain

[barren crater]

No fun to be had with the current tracking system

[scarlet ocean]

I wish tracking was actually good and a mechanic all this talk about having fun with tracking, while tracking is shait atm

[cyan mountain]

No one saying tracking is fun

I think the current tracking could work IF the tracks actually pointed you to the next set of tracks to follow, cuz as of now the tracks will point you to the left and then you could run a mile left and not see any footprints again

[barren crater]

The pointing system is bad. Literally makes it too easy

[cyan mountain]

Tracking is quite literally the opposite of easy

[bright abyss]

I think the tracks are somewhat difficult to trace in so much undergrowth

[cyan flame]

I'd like the speed you're moving at determine the amount of tracks you leave, like in legacy. So you can run, and leave tracks with every step, or walk and leave almost no tracks (crouch should leave the same as walking, just have a lower profile and less sounds), and trot obviously being in between. But yes, the "pointer" needs to go, it's just weird.

[barren crater]

It's bad, yes. But the pointing aspect is horrible. In update 4 when it launched, everyone was able to just follow the next steps without even having to think. It would also highlight through bushes allowing you to jump across to 10 different sets of footprints

I worded that poorly lol...

But essentially, it was too easy. You knew exactly where a player was going without actually doing any work

[cyan mountain]

The "pointer" points you to the next set of tracks, or at least that was the intention

[cyan mountain]

We're in a situation where it was to easy and now it's to hard

[barren crater]

Pretty much

[cyan mountain]

I think @cyan flame idea was good. Tracking is a very difficult subject to address as it's very hard to find the fine line between to easy and to hard

[cyan flame]

Yeah, I know, I dislike it, just like I'm not the greatest fan of the deino radar either honestly. But I do want tracking to be a bit more dynamic at the least. And last I tested, speed does not change the amount of tracks you leave, which is weird. But that could have changed for all I know.

[cyan mountain]

Deinos water sense isn't just a made up mechanic, irl Alligators can pick up different frequencies in the water.

I think a start to bettering the tracking system is to add more footprints, not a substantial amount just a little more. Because rn the tracks are like 10 miles apart from each other lol

[thin steeple]

im done with your game when your a carnivore like crock you should not be able to kill oyher crocks i caint even make it past juvie

[faint folio]

Croc (deino) is terribly overpopulated right now, that being said I've had good luck surviving by going to unpopular areas for deinos and eating fish. Avoid center at all costs until you hit adult. Northwest is not much better

[thin steeple]

even sw i get killed

[faint folio]

I like the western river-- the one where you swim through the cave and walk around above the falls

Big Deinos don't go there often

[thin steeple]

now iff your a bb u should not be able to be eaten by other deinos but juvie and up would be fffine give us a ffighting chance

i would love to find ppl to play with i just got the game lol

[faint folio]

SE, and SW/S are both popular spots for adult Crocs so I wouldn't recommend hanging there

[stone mantle]

luck kinda factors into it too

[thin steeple]

@faint folio wwanna play?

[faint folio]

Not atm, I'm on lunch break at work

[thin steeple]

lol

[faint folio]

Can't play until I get off and go home

[thin steeple]

if anyone wants to play im in vc 8

[stone mantle]

a few days ago i went to center as a late juvi/early sub and met a bunch of friendly deinos, but that's probably not a common experience

[faint folio]

It's really hit or miss

[stone mantle]

yep, just as with most other dinos

[north quiver]

which is good. it’s population control. can’t have deinos littered everywhere that don’t have to worry about getting killed. without cannibalism, growing a deino would be far too easy

[sullen brook]

wat u all think?

#general-feedback message

[barren zephyr]

@plucky totem you want another legacy? Go play legacy

[scarlet ocean]

W feedback post, wish some Dino’s like galli had feathers, who was even known for feathers

[barren zephyr]

I dont want the devs to do that rn but its a cool idea for the future

[sullen brook]

for the future 100% when they are close to game completion but dinos like raptors velo or others should have feathers already like beipi.

[sullen brook]

YES

[scarlet ocean]

Skins of feathered dinosaur next to the pattern selection, or different species skins for a Dino that is extremely similar also next to the pattern A and B’s also yes

[sullen brook]

also we need smooth patterns. Like for example a smooth red to white color that just seems more calm or real. Just more patterns in general and it wouldnt be to hard as no real thought need to be put into it.

[scarlet ocean]

I think it’s been said before that patterns will go to F

[barren zephyr]

Agreed

[sullen brook]

6 PATTERS YOOOOOOOOOOOO

[barren zephyr]

A really cool idea is to have different male and female patterns

Imo

[sullen brook]

Also back in U5 stress test there was a bug that made the skins 100% black. They should do that but for white. Albino dinosaurs would be rare to see but it would be a awesome feature.

[scarlet ocean]

Don’t take my word for it 100%, I think it’s been said before, a lot of things have been said before and not exactly delivered on, but it would be very nice to have 6

[sullen brook]

I would think it would only happen for when they dont want updates but community updates.

[scarlet ocean]

UP9 QOL or just further in the future, yeah

[sullen brook]

when will the isle focus more on humans? like which update?

I thought it was after update 8

[plucky totem]

I would estimate about 6 years from now.

[icy lion]

After update 7

[barren zephyr]

Devs are not moving as slowly as you might think

[scarlet ocean]

Why is there a isle joke of “oh yeah, that will come in 50 years, or in a million years” 💀 it made sense back during UP1-5.5but it’s not so much anymore

[barren zephyr]

U6 was a huge disappointment

[scarlet ocean]

Sort of, yeah, but it came faster than normal.

Was super rushed

[barren zephyr]

Thats the problem with it

They didnt balance anything

Ignored a lot of bugs

And diets arent even working properly

[scarlet ocean]

It was rushed cause if the update didn’t come out before January 1st, the community would explode, cause it was already promised countless times in 2022

Hopefully 6.5 won’t be rushed

[stone mantle]

yep. if i'm no longer having fun playing the game in between updates i go play something else 🤷

[north quiver]

@stray onyx I really like your idea. The current fact that stego and even carno (with its ram) can hit rocks and large trees without any side effects is laughable. A lot of people want to nerf stego, and I don’t think that’s a good idea. This however is a good idea because it’s giving it an understandable and much needed weakness for its pair up against omni. Stegos have been swinging through trees and rocks for too long and it makes fights terribly goofy. They shouldn’t be able to clip their tail through hard objects like that

[stone mantle]

punishment seems a bit too harsh for regular attacks blocked by obstacles, but it would be nice if they implemented dynamic tail swipe animations so it doesn't clip through trees. not sure how something like that would be implemented, or if it's even possible

[grand folio]

Could i bounce a suggestion off someone?

[stone mantle]

go for it

[grand folio]

sent it

[north quiver]

a fracture would be a little too much but the spikes getting stuck in trees for a few seconds is also a good idea. just like how omnis shouldn’t be able to brainlessly pounce, stegos shouldn’t be able to brainlessly swing in unideal locations without any thought of consequences

[stone mantle]

as long as it doesn't leave you helpless for too long considering it's pretty much your only weapon

[stray onyx]

The concept is that it prevents Stegos from being excessively overpowered in places they shouldn’t be. In the wide open it would take much more efforts to take a stego down but in the trees the stego should have a great weakness to objects. Getting stuck in a tree for a few seconds could be all the time needed for an Omni or pack of Omni to get in damage that is actually worth it and not get bucked off. Because with the current build the stego can just ram an Omni into a tree or buck them off no problem and kill them and have no consequence of random swinging or the attack beyond a mild inconvenience. So what’s the option with this idea implemented for a stego? Ether attack with the bite attack or run for the clearings. This is a valid response to the primary weapon being a hindering factor and makes travel through dense forests more risky. But since all the stegos food is out in the open that shouldn’t be a problem most of the time.

[stone mantle]

yeah, i suppose so

[north quiver]

agreed

[little cove]

@tawny mason

I can see carno eating a lot during the day to save energy and hunger to last during and throughout the night, since with low NV its obviously not a nocturnal hunter. I like the idea of it's hunger going down slower at night

[stray onyx]

@atomic seal while I do think Omni needs a buff I personally just think it’s needs ether increased stamina or decreased stamina usage. It’s speed is fine as a Carno is meant to hunt it but the Omni’s agility is its life saver. Really all I think needs to happen there is a little increase to stamina or increase pounce damage really. Beyond that I think Omni is just in need of a tiny fine tuning and is designed to work in a pack. Where as carnos can go solo more easily

[north viper]

the omnis agility cant do anything against the carnos broken hitbox

[lucid mauve]

Yea, for now. But as you said its broken, and it will prob be nerfed soon. So i doubt that gonna be a problem later.

[lucid mauve]

So big ish dinos bad in dense areas ,you want to limit how people wanne play the game? And if a stego manages to ram you as omni, i gotta say you deserve it.

[north quiver]

so you’re for stego having a low skill level requirement. just stuff your face into a rock or tree then turn when an omni pounces and boom, kebabbed with no forethought or planning required

[stray onyx]

Well, it comes with the dino. Every dino has a “preferred” living space based on its natural capabilities. For a stego it’s not that big a deal to have dense forests be a spot of weakness as it’s food source and by proxy it’s evolution are specifically tailored to living in wide open spaces. And by ramming I mean in the dense forested areas. A bad pounce and yeah you deserve it. But if the stego was free to just swing though objects it both breaks immersion and the power level of the dino as it never was biologically intended to live among the trees

The weakness in forests by getting stuck for a few seconds is short but critical for predators, a stego too hot for its haunches would swing and miss and get stuck giving omnis, or really any carnivore that wants to take a chunk of that stego, around 2 to 3 seconds of free, uninterrupted attack time and give the stego a run for its money. Plus, stegos have virtually no reason to traverse the woods but to go to a new feeding grounds. All of this needs can be found out in open ground so it doesn’t really affect gameplay but make a more realistic dinosaur experience.

[stray onyx]

Also to finish. No, not all big dinosaurs are going to be bad in the forests. While they will have a physical disability in the woods (from things such as fallen logs or tight spaces), tenos are a decently large dinosaur and they wouldn’t have any issues with forests bc their tail attack works different. It wouldn’t go through objects but it wouldn’t stun them or slow them down. And since they can jump, once again, the logs from earlier are less concerning. All I’m saying is some are ok and others just shouldn’t be like stegos.

[lucid mauve]

What low skill ? So omni with insane agility and speed/stam is high skill ? Its like saying rex is low skilled, because when it bites it could end you. But the rex actually need to use a few brain cell to get close enough. While omni dont.

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i get your point. Im not saying its stupid. But if you sorta take away the big.ish" dino from dense areas, that could make mid tiers thrive. And at the end of the day you force omnis and smaller dinos to be out in the open. Since mid has not much to fear there

[stray onyx]

Hence why there will be forest dwelling herbivores of varying sizes as well as carnivores better adapted for open ground hunting.

[north quiver]

ideally rex will be high skill. I like wavepool’s idea of high metabolism and high intake of food for young apexes so they have to be skilled enough to consistently get meals without dying

[lucid mauve]

yea and thats my point, fighting is not always what you need to be good. Omni is incredible easy to grow and survive. But it is harder to kill something.

[north quiver]

stego still needs a weakness though, and it not being able to hit through dense, solid objects is a great weakness

a good stego will still be able to fend off omnis without the use of trees and rocks

[lucid mauve]

Well i dont agree that it needs a weakness, it already have. Its slow and big. It cant kill anything in the game unless someone wants to fight it. Stego will get alot of challanges later when more stuff is added. Just like eveything else, omnis will have alot more stuff on their menu when more dinos comes.

If u wanne put the game in hard mode and go for stego , sure. But you better have the skill for it

[stray onyx]

However how interesting is it if you just survive off AI all the time? At that point why not make a single player mode and just have ai dinos roam around for you to kill. The idea of giving dinosaurs a form of weakness gives certain creatures traits advantages and disadvantages in certain regions of land or maybe they are a jack of all trades and are ok everywhere but never excel at one thing over another

[north quiver]

so you think stego should be able to phase its tail through solid objects to impale things without consequence?

[north quiver]

when omni gets a 4 second stun from it barely touching a pixel on a tree when pounced onto a carno or teno?

[lucid mauve]

No, as i said. I see the point and its not stupid. But hey if omni can pounce my face as carno and then teleport to the side, thats fine ?

[north quiver]

that’s not fine. carno being able to ram into a tree or rock without any side effect is also not fine. there are a lot of things that need to be added in eventually lol

[stray onyx]

If you are Charging it nearly always instant KO’s. But if u are just running it counts as contact. But point taken it would be better if you had to attack the sides. But back on the stego. The stego has no area of weakness beyond speed. Which, at its current state is not even a weakness. And since we likely won’t have any dino that can take it head on in around 1-2 years with brute force alone, it makes sense that a stego should have obstructions to its primary attack that can KO the largest carnivore in the game with relative ease. The message of a stego is to not even engage it which gets boring and gives KOS stegos too much power as well.

So in an Isle realistic scenario of the KOS stego, now creatures can take refuge in the forest from the rampaging herb and use that to their advantage as a creature would normally do

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i mean i totally agree stuff needs to change. Like taking into account rocks/tree etc. But it needs to go both ways, if i run full speed into a rock as omni etc.

[stray onyx]

Well for the Omni the rock and tree itself is already an obstruction. It stops its forward momentum and that’s all it needs to do.

But a charging Carno should have more effects when slamming its body full force in its charge state

[lucid mauve]

Yea just like everyone else, its an obstruction. But omni has the agility to avoid much easier.

Im not saying that its stupid with rock/trees etc. Im just concern that if you play X dino you dont want to go here and there. But X dino will go there because they are good there

So im never gonna go in dense area as stego, and you will never go in the open as omni. So we more or less never meet neways.

[stray onyx]

That’s kinda the idea. But just because a dino is good somewhere doesn’t mean they won’t try it anyways. Mainly this is just a simple yet effective way to easily debuff a creature without actually changing and stats and just makes the game more interesting for different play styles.

Additionally to Omnis, they are more jack of all trades but require a pack to do much of anything effective so their weakness stems primarily from a numbers game.

[lucid mauve]

Yea omnis should be good in pack, but still hard to take something big down. Since you can prob hunt 90% of the rooster.

But i dont get what you mean with KOS stego, a stego has nothing on me if i play something else. Unless i choose to.

[rare fractal]

It’s sorta a weakness that they don’t even really need rn

I also don’t like setting the precedent for attacks that interact with solid terrain or objects incurring debuffs when you’re a defensive creature encouraged to utilize the environment to cover blind spots

It’d be incredibly lame to punish that sort of defensive behavior

[vestal breach]

game wont launch keeps asking me if i want to run EAC as administrator

[rare fractal]

Like considering how monumentally easy stego is to kill when it lacks a terrain advantage, I feel like these changes have further reaching implications than you may realize

[uneven mist]

Here, try this #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 message

[vestal breach]

I've tried that and everything else i can find on the internet

[icy flare]

@dapper prawn I think that’s a great idea. I wish that the game would focus more on a variety of extinct animals not only Dinosaurs or things most people would call a dinosaur (ptera ) . My hot take would be terror birds

[stray onyx]

Well think of it like this. It’s not supposed to take cover. This dinosaur has evolved to best suit its needs on open land. Its weapon would be ineffective at best in a forested area but as it is rn the stego can swing without thought and swing THROUGH trees and kill what’s on the other side. This “debuff” isn’t even that bad of one as all it does is discourage using your tail attack within dense forests or near trees that you could potentially get stuck on. It’s simply incurring a “debuff” that really only acts as an inconvenience at least and would allow a predator it’s attack a better chance at attacking it since the stego is not built for forest combat

[cyan mountain]

Carno should get damaged if they ram into a sturdy item fr

[cyan mountain]

If you bite when the Omni does that it'll have damage

[tawny mason]

I just woke up but im glad you liked my take on that

[misty spire]

💀💀💀 monumentally easy

[north quiver]

It really wont unless the stego genuinely doesn’t have any braincells, which it then really does deserve to become lunch lol. Stego will still have the advantage of slanted terrain, which is already more than enough of what it needs to defend itself against omnis. When omnis delatch, they won’t be thrown as far due to the slanted terrain, so all the stego has to do it smack and hit them (after baiting a buck if need be to bait the omni into delatching). Stegos also have time to go to mudpits if one of those is near with how insanely large their bleed pool is. Omni can’t pounce in mud. Stego can swing in mud… Stego currently has it way too easy. I’m one of the worst stego players you’ll ever see and I’ve never unwillingly lost a single fully grown stego before, not even to deinos I think I lost one to a canni, but that was so long ago I hardly remember it

I’ve only seen a stego die to omnis once in my entire time on the isle. that was before update 6. It only died because of an omni megapack, and even then the majority of the omnis died due to the slanted terrain. It also camped a mudpit (pretty sure stegs couldn’t swing in a mudpit before 6.0 but now they can, so that fight would’ve been a landslide victory for the stego if the fight happened this update)

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't it just make the most sense that no attack should go through solid objects, for any playable, and call it a day? :p

[north quiver]

Yup

[icy lion]

@steep iron It's subtle, but that already exists in game

[clear escarp]

I hear that many times but never recognised a difference or saw a picture from starving dinos compared to those who are good in food... i think its a urban legend 😂😂

[icy lion]

It's a difference in the normal map (aka shadows/shading), not the model, so it's not very apparent

[plucky totem]

well you are clearly wrong

[icy lion]

@thick raft There'll be cycad groves on Gateway that'll help out with that, personally I think tiny cave/tunnel systems would be cool too

[barren zephyr]

Wdym?

[plucky totem]

I will bet you right now that we dont get gateway until at least christmas. are you new to the game why would you say that?

[uneven mist]

There’s also logs and dead trees seen in gateway that looks like both juvis and smalls can hide in, and I think caves will come (maybe) on gateway

[barren zephyr]

Gateway is not confirmed for this year but im pretty sure its confirmed for U7

You seem to have forgotten about what happened to legacy

[tall hearth]

Want me to screenshot this and tag you when gateway releases before then

[dapper prawn]

TY, lol i dont think other people like it though XD

[misty spire]

It’s buggy because players tails etc bites sometimes go through the rocks which allows it to get hit but generally bites won’t clip through solid terrain

[misty spire]

You have way to much hope 💀

[tall hearth]

No I'm just paying attention to development

[cyan flame]

Far as I know, everything goes through objects right now. Carnos can bite omnis on rocks, stegos swing through trees and rocks, omnis can bite through threes as well, and so on. In any case, the obvious solution is that no attack should go through solid objects, and then the problem is solved.

[tall hearth]

I believe the devs have said they wanna fix this issue, so they're very aware

[cyan flame]

Yep

[misty spire]

Not arguing it should work that way but it could be really buggy with attacks not registering etc

[maiden anvil]

You’re all fools

[urban flax]

The foolest of all is the one who deletes his suggestion in fear of being hated
You should revel in the downvotes, as they are proof your mind is above that of the pauper
Also I couldn't read your suggestion in its entierty because of that :(

[north quiver]

@maiden anvil I like the idea but I feel like it’d be best used as a unique little addition for smaller creatures that burrow so they’d be able to detect abnormal vibrations/movement while underground (smaller creatures like themselves perhaps wouldn’t set it off unless there were a lot of them)

[maiden anvil]

Yeah how about never. I won’t tolerate looking bad in my suggestions

[north quiver]

Just my take on it

[urban flax]

You cannot ascend to greatness if you let those who look down on you dictate your acts

[maiden anvil]

I am aware that it’s a problem I have but whatever

[north quiver]

no one who touches grass will look back and be like “wow haha that’s that one dude who had downvotes. haha loser. how dare he propose an opinion the majority don’t agree with” my dude lol pretty sure most people look at the suggestion and not the person it’s tied to

unless you’re that one dude who keeps suggesting dinosaurs to be released next update and doesn’t respond to any pings lol…

[bright abyss]

at least it's a good way to understand what the community wants and what they don't

[barren zephyr]

So what? Because the devs aren't working in your time doesnt mean they're going slow.
And even if they are going slow with how bad the current state of the game is in rn its still the #1 dino game
Look at legacy and tell me which youd rather play

[stray onyx]

While I agree this game is good, i’d say the only things at the moment keeping it in that position are high quality dinosaurs and it’s price at 19.99. Path of Titans is a considerable rival since it has ok graphics but interesting gameplay in its quests mechanic to grow but it gets annoying rather quickly because of how long it takes. The isles update speed if it was even marginally improved would be nice. Or even a sort of beta test server that’s open to the public at a certain point for anyone at any time to join and play and give feed back and actively see the new features coming to the official game. But that’s just my take and I’m not really interested in debating the devs speed as I’m more so focused on the gameplay itself being less than it could be than the update speed.

[rare fractal]

I astronomically prefer passive growth over collection quest growth

Or at least with something along the line of diets…the collection “quest” items are integrated into your animals positioning, which allows for more player density per species in specific places and more unique balancing

Because you can afford to force a reliance on a terrain advantage if your animal will always be within a biome that has that advantage

Completely unrelated but I genuinely want to understand why suggestions regarding proximity stress mechanics to solve mixpacking exist

Because it’s so self evident that it’s an effective hunting or grieving tool over actually preventing mixes of species

Same with herbis being “afraid” of corpses to prevent corpse guarding…or just proximity debuffs in general to objects that can move

[silk cobalt]

I bet that person is just like everyone else, they just wanna play the new stuff of their favorite game, they may be complaining but I bet they love the game just as much as everyone else.

I want the new updates as well, but I also agree the devs should take their time. I'm sure it'll be good either way, I know I'll love it.

I just wanna play Beipi I wanna be an angy murder duck.

[lucid mauve]

I agree on that, it’s the best game. But the progress is tremendously slow! I played legacy in 2018 and recode was on going then. That’s 5 years, and still not even the “basic” are in yet. Like venom etc. And updates take longer and longer time, imagine all the stuff they still missing for dinos that gonna come. And that’s just basic stuff.
The updates are taking longer then at start, you had to wait like 200 days so you could change colors on your dinos. If your fine with that we need to wait prob 3 more years to just get the basic

[uneven mist]

The recode wasnt going on around 2018

That was 2020 if I remember correctly or late 2019

[rare fractal]

late 2019 early 2020 iirc

[uneven mist]

Yep, so 3 years to almost 4 years

[lucid mauve]

I started playing the isle 2018, and i google 1 hour after a game called "recode"

Since it stood all over the forums when i joined, i tho it was a game lol

This is prob late 2018, so yea more close to 2019

[rare fractal]

What year was it for me....

I wanna be on the safe side and say 2016

Not EXACTLY on release in 2015 but granted there was only really a month left of that year anyway :p

[lucid mauve]

darn, you been playing almost since start : P

I more or less joined when everything was released, so you been thru this before : P

[uneven mist]

2017 for me, it was either really or middle around that year

[rare fractal]

Yeah, hence why I'm still here

Too invested, it's also not something that requires much of any effort from me to keep up with

Plus it's an avenue to discuss a particularly interesting/unique way of designing a game

Like I absolutely spend more time in the discord than I do actually playing the game

tbf I'm also one of those people that enjoys talking about the things they like more than they do doing them

[uneven mist]

1 year before me

[rare fractal]

Haha beat ya

https://tenor.com/view/slave-knight-gael-dark-souls3-ringed-city-gif-24181378

[lucid mauve]

Nothing wrong with that, its also good to discuss something here and get other views then the one we already have : P

Im not playing the game much either, i still need a few more updates.

[rare fractal]

I'm also chronically addicted to debate as a concept, it perpetuates every hobby of mine

Basic cause and effect interactions are just...fun ig

Not that I'll inject conflict where there is none...but this community has a habit of infinitely supplying new topics to discuss xD

[lucid mauve]

hehe, yea. Its always something new to discuss here. And thats good, i love its people to discuss with here.

But wish we got some new playable, tired of omni vs carno etc lol

But back in the old days when you and warden played. Was it really bad balance on some stuff ? : P

[rare fractal]

Oh god

Well for one

balance is a bit of a joke in general when the entire system of combat is determined by which animal pirouettes faster

Like size was a borderline weakness

The only thing that sorta saved larger dinos was when weight was introduced as a damage reducer

Via proportions

And even then it just made it take longer

The game never really escaped that...alt sorta countered it but alt basically just made animals that would absolutely lose 1v1s into animals that would absolutely lose in 1v2s

No matter the animal

[lucid mauve]

damn, i tho the weight thing was always in. Without that it would been hell playing bigger dinos : P

[uneven mist]

Basically yeah

[rare fractal]

Well...it was

Still was, rule servers and a lack of alt turn is what made them feel stronger

In some cases

Like giga for example had a godly alt, it couldn't die

Which isn't even to say that it was too powerful, necessarily...but it was certainly the strongest apex/large animal

It lost to nothing but a rex in a 1v1, and it could chase down and track everything but a few

And not even a utah could outturn it

Like....it literally spun like a top

[barren crater]

Rex relied on broken systems to survive while Giga was OP by design

Like Rex with no drag bites / double bites would be weak against multiple opponents

If it needed to time bites

[rare fractal]

Rex was literally a helpless toddler without body down

If it couldn't get in a 1v1 that the other opponent was willing to conduct it couldn't do anything

[limber hull]

love the bump for zero suggestion lol

[urban flax]

I hate bumps as a whole
"It's to prevent the suggestion being flooded in the channel"
"My brother in Replicator YOU are flooding the channel"

[limber hull]

true

i almost universally downvote bumps

doesnt matter if i liked the original, write something new

[barren zephyr]

Why?

Its rare the devs look in the feed back channel and when they do i'll bump my suggestion

[limber hull]

i've seen devs react to feedback, never once has it been a bump

[barren zephyr]

Then whatever they bumped didn't interest the devs

[barren zephyr]

What's your point?

[limber hull]

My point is it's useless clutter

[barren zephyr]

Not always

[limber hull]

Because "bump" is really insightful feedback

[urban flax]

I don't think devs go click on the link and read the feedback if they see a bump anyways

[barren zephyr]

Wdym by "bump"?

[limber hull]

The entire thing we've been talking about?

[barren zephyr]

What if you made a really good suggestion a week ago but nobody saw it when you posted it, wouldn't you repost/bump it

[limber hull]

I wouldn't

Because it's not as good as I thought if it didn't get that much engagement

[barren zephyr]

So youd let the suggestion go to waste

[limber hull]

Nope, because it probably wasn't that great

[barren zephyr]

I said nobody saw it

[limber hull]

Doesn't ever happen

I've never seen that happen

[barren zephyr]

It does

[limber hull]

I've seen suggestions be ignored because they're bad

But no matter what hour of the day, a feedback post always gets reactions, just sometimes later

[barren zephyr]

Ive had suggestions too long so people wont read them

So ill repost simpler

[urban flax]

You don't need every single one of the 100000 people here to read your suggestion for it to be taken into account
Just a dev, or some QA people (which surprisingly are active enough in here to read every suggestion)

Also there's a difference between bumping a suggestion after one week and bumping it twice in the same day...

[barren zephyr]

There are times they miss suggestions

[barren zephyr]

Mhm

[barren zephyr]

So theres never a reason to repost?

[limber hull]

I'll be honest

General Feedback is nothing BUT reposts

[barren zephyr]

No?

[limber hull]

"add more dinos"
"optimise the game"
"nerf this"
"buff that"
"devs bad"

very rare to see a deviation from that

[barren zephyr]

No its not

You can look at all my suggestions

And ive seen so many other people with great suggestions

You arent looking hard enough

[urban flax]

If no one did repost the channel wouldn't be nearly as flooded so people would never miss suggestions

[limber hull]

Incredibly rare exception to an otherwise consistent rule

[barren zephyr]

So it only matters if QA or a dev see your feedback?

Players need to vote on those ideas before they're just added

[urban flax]

Who do you think develops the game ?

[barren zephyr]

Wdym?

[barren zephyr]

This

[urban flax]

Why does it matter if little Johnny who bought the game yesterday saw my suggestion ? He's not the one to decide if it will be good or bad for the game, is he ?

[urban flax]

But this is wrong

[barren zephyr]

He might

[lapis swallow]

Poor little johnny

[barren zephyr]

You never know he could be that one vote

[urban flax]

If devs did make their game based on players votes on suggestions, it would be a terrible game

What one vote ?

[barren zephyr]

I dont mean major discission needs to be made by players

[barren zephyr]

What if he was the only real player to see it

[urban flax]

What if it was all a simulation and we were all just numbers inside of it ?

[barren zephyr]

What if?

[barren zephyr]

So you want the devs to listen to your suggestions without other players consent
But then get mad because they added a ridiculous feature you dont like

I think bumping should not be banned

If you really want to do something about it ask for ban bumping for 24 hours or so

[urban flax]

I didn't advocate banning bumps

[tidal prawn]

@steep iron bad idea
If someone sees a hungry dino they can play the waiting game instead of a real fight based on how starved a dino looks not a fan of that

[urban flax]

But people should learn some good behaviour and stop doing it

[barren zephyr]

Good behaviour?

[tidal prawn]

Its already difficult for carno as an example to hunt if hes hungry which he is 24/7

[barren zephyr]

That is ridiculous

[barren zephyr]

Yeah that needs to be fixed

[barren zephyr]

Yeah i dont see bumping as bad behaviour in the least

I might make a suggestion about #general-feedback to make suggestions less cluttered

But preventing bumping....no

[urban flax]

Gotta admit, with or without bumps, the general feedback channel is a mess

[barren zephyr]

Wdym a mess?

Because no i cannot admit that if i dont quite know what you mean

[urban flax]

Like Wave said
90% of suggestions are useless

[barren zephyr]

I disagree

[urban flax]

mb
95%

[barren zephyr]

So you think a suggestion that has 90 downvotes are pointless?

It tells the devs what not to do

[urban flax]

I think most suggestions in the general feedback channel are useless

And it's unrelated to the number of downvotes or upvotes

[barren zephyr]

You're saying useless without anything to back it up

[limber hull]

"add more dinos" really made the devs think

"optimise the game" was something the devs simply never thought of

[urban flax]

It is now day 490 without a new Dino who thinks we are getting to day 500( April 30th)
What useful is there to gather from this ?

[barren zephyr]

Thats not a suggestion thats a demand

[limber hull]

and its in general feedback

[urban flax]

EU - 1 _ 2 Carno and 1 STego full Goat Field Have speed hack and more!!!!
This is in the wrong channel so useless

[barren zephyr]

This guy literally didnt know where to post lol

[urban flax]

Maybe decrease some amount of foliage, there is so much that if you are a fresh small dino you cant see a lot and sometimes can fall from a cliff ı dont mean too much foliage, just a little so that small dinos can see easier (In jungles)
That's been reposted hundreds of times and is a well-known issue

[urban flax]

There are channels with server names, I think they would have been a good place to start

[limber hull]

What about the mixpack thing?

[barren zephyr]

Has it been fixed yet?

[limber hull]

Same debuff suggestion posted over and over and over again

[urban flax]

Have you heard of Gateway ?

[barren zephyr]

I have

That was a genuine question lol

[barren zephyr]

Okay? Youre ignoring all other suggestions

This is a decent suggestion though i disagree #general-feedback message

#general-feedback message right above it

#general-feedback message

These suggestions arent hard to find

So idk what you mean

[urban flax]

We don't have the same standards of what a decent suggestion is

To me, a good suggestion is something that could provide insight to the devs at how to improve their game
None of these do

[limber hull]

"take a picture of an allo to get ammo to kill things" doesn't really seem great to me

[barren zephyr]

It does because if the devs were even thinking about adding it, with the amount of dislikes it has they're prob not going to

You think that because people downvoted a suggestion its pointless

[limber hull]

we're not ignoring good suggestions anyway

[lapis swallow]

A set of rules for the suggestion channels would be a good idea. So that we would get a better quality of suggestions

[limber hull]

we're pointing out the amount of same old same old

[barren zephyr]

But a lot of people who repost dont know if it was posted there before

[urban flax]

That doesn't make the suggestions any more useful

[barren zephyr]

I didnt say it did

[urban flax]

I've discussed turning this channel into a forum with Punch, apparently he's thought about it but he's still testing things to see how that would be handled

[barren zephyr]

But because they didnt know, its bad behaviour??

[urban flax]

I thought I mentioned bumping when I was talking about bad behaviour

Don't try and tell me people who bump their suggestion didn't know it's already been posted before

[barren zephyr]

But a lot of 'bumps' are prople who dont know

[urban flax]

They don't know what they literally posted themselves earlier in the same day ?

That's a medical problem

[barren zephyr]

Im not talking about the same person

[urban flax]

If you bump someone else's suggestion it's the same thing

[tidal prawn]

Either that or are 8 billion times in there

[urban flax]

If you bump it, it means you've read it
If you've read it, then you know it's been posted already

[barren zephyr]

What do you mean by "bumping"?

[tidal prawn]

Bump

[barren zephyr]

Do you mean reposting or replying to an earlier suggestion?

[urban flax]

DUDE
We've been talking about it for 30 minutes now

[barren zephyr]

This

[urban flax]

I mean the people who mention another feedback and just write "bump"

[barren zephyr]

That's not entirely what i was talking about

There are definitely times to bump though

I thought you meant duplicate suggestions

[urban flax]

It's basically the same thing
Exepct one at least made the effort to copy-paste it

[barren zephyr]

No.
If they didnt know the suggestion was already asked

[urban flax]

I'm talking about copy-pastes

Again, you can't copy-paste something without reading it

Well you can if you're trying to cheat in a school assignment but that's not the point

[barren zephyr]

You can paste things without reading them. Want proof?

[urban flax]

[barren zephyr]

😂

Anyway im right your wrong. Have a good day

[urban flax]

I should have realized earlier you were trolling

[stray onyx]

Wether one bumps or not is not really anyone else’s business. They think they have an idea and want people to see it as it’s slowly buried beneath suggestions. If it’s a problem for you, ignore it. You aren’t obligated to acknowledge a bump

[junior abyss]

#general-feedback message yall dislike anything 😂

[misty spire]

Unnecessary feature

[junior abyss]

not rly

ur water goes up slowly in water

[limber hull]

@daring talon cage trapping isnt going to be a thing btw

[daring talon]

oh ok

[limber hull]

because that'd suck obv

[daring talon]

yeah