general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

"small = bad" is such a lame mindset to have

[sudden hinge]

Because sucho can’t do what bary does and same for bary like them doing similar things doesn’t invalidate them player choice plays a big role if that was the case no one would play alberto they’d play rex

Like I like cera it’ll probably play similar to rex and alberto using its mouth in combat should I just drop my favorite dinosaur because it’s “weaker”? No I like cera I’m going to play cera

Animals that share similar niches aren’t bad and I’ll stick to that variety is good people like variety

[trim mauve]

It is when they have the same exact build, hunting style and niche the only difference being one it bigger and more powerful.

[sudden hinge]

Tell me what Dino’s that do the same things that are different sizes going to hunt the same things? Which playables?

[urban flax]

You're looking at The Isle like it's a fighting game or something

But even in those the biggest character doesn't always win

[sudden hinge]

What animals will bary and sucho both hunt

[dusk meteor]

In case you haven't noticed, dapper, the Isle is a game and can forcibly differentiate them however they like though the main method is likely going to be their specials and intended group sizes.

While bary and sucho are both piscivorous 1v1 sucho outclasses it I. Power and size but that means, because - here's the important bit - it's a game, bary is likely going to be more nimble and may be able to access certain areas more safely than sucho and some less so.

[limber hull]

Bary swimmer, sucho shallow wader, spino depth walker

[dusk meteor]

If we used your logic we would have a game with rex, giga, spino, trice, shant, brachi.. Etc. That's about it. They will all outclass their smaller family members but that's boring. We wouldn't get the smaller members who some folk do indeed prefer

[quaint ivy]

Dude the game is a SURVIVAL game not a free for all battle royale, it not meant to be oh there's a dino let's go fight it, you need to think like the creature you're playing as I see it too often where people run in and fight then wonder why they have to grow again, say when I'm utah ill stalk the Dino I'm hunting and wait for the perfect time to attack say when they're weekend etc, the devs never wanted this game to be a fight everything simulator its a survival horror at its core 😉

[faint folio]

If you like the power of the apexes, and want to be able to kill anything you cross, more power to you. But a lot of people enjoy the challenge of playing something smaller, less invincible and relying on agility and speed

[trim mauve]

Y'all seem to have strung my words in the wrong way. I never was relating anything to a fight. Sucho just does what bary will better. Sucho is more land capable, more water capable. It literally does what bary does at a larger scale in almost the same way. I was never relating anything to a one on one fight. I was relating to mechanics and similarities. Y'all just can't read smh.

Anyway im gonna dip and do something more important while y'all mald

[faint folio]

Also there are ways to make mid tiers and smalls that stand out from the apexes with specialty mechanics. I honestly see apexes being the more straightforward playstyles

[faint folio]

I think that's making the huge assumption that sucho and bary will have the same abilities as they did in legacy, and that is not necessarily the case

[uneven mist]

1. Rip muted 2. Bary is able to hunt and dive in deep water and would most likely be a good hunter in land as well but sucho wouldn’t really be a good of a diver and not really a great hunter either because if it’s slow speed and would mostly eat fish or bully things of off corpses and fight anything that would be in its way (exept apexes)

[sudden hinge]

Which are fine you also dumbed it down to people don’t have preferences

Sucho is gunna be way more water locked imo than bary will

[quaint ivy]

You seem to underestimate what a bary was capable of it was actually stronger than a suchomimus would have been at swimming and they were more than capable on land too, I understand your point yes but it's redundant all the same.

[runic steppe]

Can full grown PTs not carry frogs anymore?

[dusk meteor]

I've never not been able to carry a frog at 100% adult. Apparently it's inconsistent tho??
I've also never not been able to swallow the fish I catch even if they're longer than my whole ptera

I guess the weights of crabs could do with being reduced I'm tired of not being able to carry those

But someone said about chickens - I mean, idk. Chickens do be kinda heavy especially compared to frogs and crabs

[rose patio]

i mean, pteras should be able to swoop up chickens too imo

[runic steppe]

Okay there was just a suggestion saying to allow PTs to carry frogs and I was confused cause I thought they could once they were 100%. You can even peck them outta the water and fly away with them

[queen ember]

There are some Dino’s that are pretty much the same thing like Sucho with Spino, Ava and Styraco with Dibble, Alberto like Sub Rex.

Doesn’t mean any of them are bad or need to be removed

[faint folio]

Yeah I don't mind pt being forced to land to eat 1-2 diet foods. But last time I tried with my 100% pt I couldn't fly with a frog I just killed

I had to drag it. Very annoying

[dusk meteor]

Man
Maybe they have variable weight values.
Which would be kind of annoying ngl

But it's definitely a no in chickens imo
Chickens get decently heavy compared to frogs and crabs

[zealous violet]

What are we talkin about in here?

[bleak birch]

How Ptera should be able to fly with frogs

[zealous violet]

Ahh, a worthy conversation indeed. I agree.

[paper aspen]

I think Ptera should definitely be able to fly with crabs and chickens

[quaint ivy]

It was mistake or it's inconsistent as I was 100% ptera and couldn't carry frog then I tried a different frog and it worked it seems weirdly buggy, but I do think pteras should be able to pick up a chicken too as from research chickens average around 1.5-2.5kg ptera being 40kg it would easily be able to lift it up

[bleak birch]

How much does a Hypsi weigh?

[barren crater]

20kg

[bleak birch]

That one would for sure be too heavy for a Ptera to carry then, but a frog and chicken for sure should be able to be carried

[light current]

Hi, I need an admin, I'm bugged on a rock, I'll be offline, contact me on discord

[uneven mist]

@inland bridge For anyone who's experiencing the, 'suddenly becoming a baby Utah/Losing your dino' bug

Quick logging usually fixes that. If it doesn't work the first time keep quick logging until it does.
(Note this is a bug so it's not guaranteed to work, please be patient and wait for bug fixes.)

[potent arrow]

@lime gulch Ovi’s not even in the game yet so I don’t know why you’re bringing up its hunger stats. Yes, eggs will be in its diet, but that’s not going to be only thing it eats. It’s going to be an omnivore, so I don’t think finding food is going to be an issue.

[lime gulch]

I’m bringing up hunger because it’s already a current issue in the game

[jade brook]

not really. Maybe carno's but even then it's debatable

[dusk meteor]

I wouldn't exactly say debatable on Carno. It's hunger is so pressing you're always looking for food. It shouldn't really be that bad on one of the smaller mid tiers.

Its got rex hunger.

[burnt bone]

I can understand it being adjusted later, but literally everything in the game (bar stego and deino) are on the menu for carno, it’s the fastest thing in the game, and it’s much larger than it’s prey. So it can literally eat everything. Probably when there’s less of the smalls to hunt and more mid tiers, then it can be increased. But currently it kinda needs bad hunger to stop the swarms and megapacks from destroying everything.

If anything, I’d just allow them to eat more, so eating somewhere feeds you for the same time, but you can hold up to 1 hour of food. So this only helps smaller groups really

[dusk meteor]

Nah Carno
Okay, as a teno I can happily handle 2v1. Things are dicier at carnos

And tbh I feel like I see packs of 5/6 carnos far more often now because they have to bunch up to kill the prey.

Which this makes sense teno has a third of weight on the Carno. Predators irl tend to take easier meals over harder ones. I don't mind the matchup and I'm a decent teno.

But I feel like it's literally had the opposite effect than was intended

[runic steppe]

Carnos were a plague before this update groups of 5/6 is better than groups of 10/11

[bleak birch]

@agile lark agreed. Even though I semi-like the mechanic because of realism, I’ve had many hatchlings hurl themselves off cliffs just to come back as a different gender and it wastes eggs 😅

[agile lark]

Exactly xD

[faint folio]

Honestly all that would be needed is like a checkbox on the egg spawn screen for whether you want to customize your appearance or have realistic/randomized from the parents. Then the people who want to be able to color coordinate can do so, and the people who like the realism of random colors can bypass the skin customization too

Maybe even a server option to allow egg skin customization or not (for realism servers)

[deep aurora]

I understand why you people would want this and respect your opinions, but I personally would like to tell who my siblings are based on their skins.

The surprise is part of the fun of hatching for me.

And it also adds some realism to the game.

[faint folio]

Hence being able to choose the random option 🙂

Plus I think everyone who's talking about it here is referring to getting to pick from the parent colors or very similar colors (barring a few extra if you get a random mutation), so more then likely you'd still be able to tell who are your siblings. Just gives slightly more flexibility on whether you end up like a carbon copy of a parent or somewhere in between (in case it is one of those situations where the parent colors REALLY clash awfully with each other)

[deep aurora]

I understand, that makes sense. Thanks for the reply :) I still personally enjoy the realism aspect of the randomized skins for hatchlings more, but as I stated before, I respect your opinion.

[faint folio]

@pine sierra congratulations, you discovered one of the PvE aspects of the game.

As an aside they are making another map, though I think it will have similar levels of cliffiness. Also the entire point of the jungle biome is that you can't necessarily see a football stadium ahead of you-- you have to slow down and pay attention to avoid hazards

[pine sierra]

i know but i cant seee anything in the jungles i heard they were gonna add interactive foliage which will defenitely help but the sliding is the only issue it wasnt a 90 degree drop its was like 65 degree drop and i slid and died

[faint folio]

I think everyone has had that experience. I know I have. Sorry, I know it sucks to die to a mountain. None of the dinos can stop on a dime from full sprint, though, so it's really helpful to trot through jungle or be really familiar with the area

Also, there are specific bushes (tall, lots of little white flowers) that tend to grow on the edge of cliffs. Don't run through them until you know exactly what is on the other side

[tidal prawn]

@pine sierra I know its a bad experience but its not a really good feedback and kinda rude just saying

[agile lark]

The skins are fine - just an option to choose your gender. I always get male when hatching in, but I like the female skins etc

[deep aurora]

I respect your opinion, but I think the randomized gender is also part of the fun. Isn't the only difference between male and female skins the male display? I mean, I could be wrong too. (Not counting hypsi of course)

[pine sierra]

I’m sorry

@faint folio @tidal prawn

Well I climbed to the top the. Tried to go down slowly walking and died but it’s all good

[bleak birch]

When I first started playing I would die to cliffs more than starving/other Dinos.

It takes time, but you learn where the cliff locations are, how to get around them, and how to tell which bushes mean there is a cliff behind them

I feel like dinosaurs probably died to falling all the time whether not seeing a cliff due to overgrown foliage or even being chased to off by a predator. It was a hard life for Dinos, but they learned over generations just like we learn over time

[proven river]

Good heavens, people see one singular image of an allo scratching a para and they're like "OHMG THEY'RE MAKING PARA A WALKING LUNCHBOX LIKE LEGACY" Like srsly, this is tiring

[faint folio]

Well it can't have happened too often. I know only of a couple cases irl where animals will run themselves off of cliffs... Self preservation instinct tends to be pretty strong (it's not a learned behavior-- fear of heights is engrained in animals for a reason, even if they've never been near a cliff or mountain in their life), and a lot of animals senses are better than people's.

[burnt bone]

Its that + rex mauls one in its concept, so all we have seen of para is it getting attacked and not defending itself. Which is why some people take it to the extreme and believe its going to be garbage, which it shouldn't.

[pine sierra]

We’ll what are they gonna do to it that doesn’t make it like that just up the movement speed I guess 🤣

Give it the beetle fire spray concept from its horn that be hilarious fire breathing para

[burnt bone]

we see alberto, something half the size of stego, mauling a stego, i severely doubt an alberto will maul a stego in game. So i also doubt allo will just maul a para.

[faint folio]

All of the concept art dinos win their respective fights. I don't think we've seen para's concept yet

[burnt bone]

nope

so thats why I'm waiting to see what is happening with para's concept

[faint folio]

Probably give it attacks in a similar vein to teno -- they did a great job making a not-obviously dangerous dino into a respectable/formidable opponent in its own right

[pine sierra]

Yeah

The head slam will probably be killer on the thing or something

[faint folio]

That's what I'm thinking too-- instead of a claw swipe some kind of head slam/swipe would probably work what with the bony crest and all

They'll probably get some kind of kick attack too

Or maybe a pivot and head butt attack instead given it's heavily bipedal

[uneven mist]

I see allo having a better change fighting a stego than albeto

[faint folio]

Had a derp moment lol

Anyways I think if they give para a variety of attacks like teno has, it will certainly not be a pushover

[burnt bone]

yeah, id see allo dealing more bleed while alberto deals more raw damage, so it would be easier for allo to punch up. Unless they make allo another punch down and alberto a punch up.

[uneven mist]

Alberto I could see punch up (the biggest being pachyrhino) but if they make allo a punch down animal and not a pack hunter I’ll be a little mad

[burnt bone]

yeah, but I'll have to see what they do with both of them. devs could do whatever they want.

personally, I'd make allo a generalist, like utah but MUCH bigger. If you're alone, punch down. If you're in a pack, punch up with bleed. Albertos would be similar, but have completely different strategies, maybe preferring smaller groups and brawing in its own size tier. However, we never see 2 allos together in its concept (except babies), but we see groups of albertos multiple times. so they may reverse that.

[uneven mist]

Yeah, from the Alberto concept it was mostly just 2 adults and when there was subs the adults looked aggressive and looked like they were kicking them out so it seems mostly like a solitary/group hunter and I hope allo wil be a pack hunter. Alberto I also see could take on things closer to its size than allo I se mostly due to its bulk, dps and that it’s meant to brawl

[rare fractal]

Let’s avoid treating Paras hollow rostral resonance chamber like a hammer

[rare fractal]

If allo ever comes in groups over 3 we’re gonna have some serious issues on our hands….

[uneven mist]

3-4 I see as the max but yeah mostly 3

[burnt bone]

5 allo pack limit

[rare fractal]

Same pretty much

[rare fractal]

I’d make it 4, 5 is massive

[uneven mist]

It could go for 5 but then they would need hella a lot of food and there wouldn’t be enough for all

[burnt bone]

allos get 4, albertos get 3

[rare fractal]

Or rather, you CAN pack up to 5 but it’s insanely unreasonable

[burnt bone]

If we made it 5, those 5 would have to be hunting apexes to survive

[uneven mist]

And it wouldn’t be enough food if you don’t take down a sauropod

[rare fractal]

Kinda like rex or giga having a pack size of 2, but not being able to sustain two

[rare fractal]

If they even manage to make sauropods engaging enough to not make invincible

[uneven mist]

I have a plan, don’t let sauropods use their tail and the allo’s has to ass ride it

[burnt bone]

I hope sauropods are essentially raid bosses when they are adults. most things leave them alone unless you're in a competent group that can handle them

[rare fractal]

Mhm, with allo basically being the smallest animal that can even really do damage to them tbh

[burnt bone]

back feet exist, but we can just give allo bone break because of its bone-crushing bite, that will teach those annoying sauropods

[rare fractal]

Ew allo BB

[uneven mist]

Alberto BB😎

[rare fractal]

[burnt bone]

you know someone will suggest it

[uneven mist]

Someone wil suggest allo not being strong enough to handle a rhino

[rare fractal]

Considering allo and Utah are basically size variations of the same animal, it doesn’t surprise me they’re the most wanked

[rare fractal]

Juvi Styraco oneshots GG

[uneven mist]

Alberto wil one shot it, the juvi styraco wil one shot the allo BALANCED😎

[rare fractal]

I’d be interested in seeing how an Alberto with a meter long spike going through it’s brain would take down a Juvi Styraco….perhaps fall damage?

Stab and drop, crushed by your own victory

[uneven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/albertosaurus-fighting-triceratops-dinosaur-beat-up-gif-17282658

Like this

From the hit-show Jurassic fight club

[rare fractal]

Oh that’s my favorite paleo documentary, my favorite one was when DREOMEOSAURUS#47 fights NUDE SPIKE THERI

[uneven mist]

Nude?!🤨🤨🤨

[rare fractal]

Quill shot machine gun Theri

[uneven mist]

Ah nvm

[uneven mist]

Wait really?

[rare fractal]

It didn’t actually shoot them but it was basically covered in 10 ft spikes sparsely placed on its tail

[uneven mist]

Machine gun theri

[rare fractal]

It looked really bad XD

[uneven mist]

Hold on let me look it up

Hmm can’t find it…think it’s for the best too

[rare fractal]

Most likely

[faint folio]

I mean... it could be something more like giraffes where their whole neck/head is the hammer... we don't absolutely HAVE to have the blow land on a hollow, likely more fragile area of the body :3 in any case, 'twas just an idea giving some potential attack ideas that aren't carbon copies of tenontosaurus but bigger

[rare fractal]

Oh sure, it’s just probably the worst candidate of all the Dino’s for an attack like that considering it’s the only dino with a pronounced hollow structure on its head, but I like where the brainstorm is headed!

Well aside from thin display crests like mono or dilo, but at least if those are broken those animals could still breath properly

[gritty terrace]

@lime gulch have you not seen the devblogs? They are completely changing the diet system, also ovi won't only eat eggs... that is kinda common sense

[gritty terrace]

Yeah that is the last thing that needs to use its head, I'd imagine it would mostly be kicks or shoulder checks but who knows

[rare fractal]

Primarily shoulder checks, para has some massive flanks

[gritty terrace]

Yeah that makes sense

[brittle night]

@opal mirage not only the map can cause the game to have fps problems, literally everything could make the game have a performance hit if it isn't done correctly, it may not be necessarily the map that's causing the game to have performance issues, and knowing they are doing a new map, they will probably get rid of spiro when the new one drops and make it better for the mean time we have new map

the only thing we can do is wait and hope for the performance to get better with every update, but since is in beta i wouldn't expect for it to get better soon since witch every update they are gonna keep adding new mechanics that can make performance worse again

[limber hull]

@stark dust head fracture already does that but better

[urban flax]

I was about to say that

[uneven mist]

@quick pebble did you eat another Utah? If so you have muscle spasm that lasts for some time because you cannibalized

[urban flax]

I think "punch" means "pounce" and he's complaining that he's being bit when pouncing someone

[uneven mist]

…I’m still confused

[urban flax]

Probably pouncing carnos into the face and getting bit once before teleporting to their side

[minor laurel]

@scarlet ocean I agree with you that current Utah is broken. Juvie that can make a carno's bleee to death or just packs that can kill whatever they want because of their blood pool is pretty insane.
However, i don't know how many time until the 6.0 and what the devs are concentrating their energy to actually.

But if i had to chose, i'd like them to continue things for their mains mecs and update the map than going through a balance that will be outdated in 2-3 months for those kind of things.

With the roster expension, they'll probably focus more on those types of things.

[opal mirage]

Thats a shame because I love spiro (at least the idea). Jungles are like my favorite, but oh well.

[tidal prawn]

Ye but the forests are not even really played in

[opal mirage]

Ik because the foliage that causes the fps problems

[tidal prawn]

No because people also simply just dont go there because theres no reason for it most of the time there is nothing of interest etc.

[tidal prawn]

They all go trough plains most of the time when adult

[opal mirage]

I'd love to go in the jungle if there was food :)

[tidal prawn]

Yea see thats one of the problems for herbis and carnis

[tidal prawn]

I would love to actually use the forrests in a way for defense and ambushing but thats almost never an option I guess

[burnt bone]

@queen ember When the head shakes from the head fracture, its just visual. Its a good indicator that someone's head is fractured since its hard to tell otherwise. Also, it does shake a bit violently, but its supposed to mimic being concussed and dazed.

[queen ember]

I get why it’s like that, it’s just not very pleasing and could simply be done animation wise, not having my head shake every couple seconds and giving away location. If I’m hiding

[severe idol]

Always with the poopoo-peepee with you people.

[safe galleon]

it gets downvoted to hell every time it's suggested but it's still going to be added

[severe idol]

Always the weird poopoo-peepee people.

[bleak birch]

It’s the same with any canni that randomly bites and gives away their location, it’s a situation that causes a temporary negative de-buff and encourages the player to try to avoid that debuff in the future. I/E don’t canni if it isn’t your diet and avoid getting head fractures when fighting a pachy. Head fractures are already very inconsistent and usually end up as a body fracture, which is the weakest of the fractures

[faint folio]

That's part of the debuff. Low vision, weaker bite, and shaking that can give away your position. You bonked your head real hard, which is something incredibly bad to do (both irl and in game). It's a deterrent to doing it again

That being said I managed to hide with a head fractured Utah last night from a big pack of murder pachys (lol) and one ran right by my bush without seeing me so... I guess your mileage will vary

[bleak birch]

I’m convinced it’s just because they want to poop on other Dinos after killing them

[queen ember]

Idk. I’m perfectly fine with the much weaker bite and low vision that makes sense. The head shaking just seems a bit random and unnecessary when stuff like leg/body fractures don’t have anything that physically gives away your location. It’s all debuffs to your stats not random glitchy movements

[faint folio]

they do, though. you visibly walk with a limp if you have a leg fracture, and you visibly hunch over like an old dino when you are body fractured. the head shake is the give away that you have a head fracture

[queen ember]

I mean yeah, but it’s not physically giving away your location when sitting or standing, if you are trying to hide having a head fracture will almost always get you Vaughn

[bleak birch]

@sweet hollow Yes! Agreed on the vents! However, every so often the fans should turn on to prevent abuse. The fans should make a lot of noise and have a long start-up before actually starting so that the troodon can have a chance to leave the vents

[sweet hollow]

100% agree

[cinder fossil]

@barren zephyr I wasn’t asking for more AI, I was asking that we could use different senses other than sight to find them

[runic steppe]

Mix herding is just as bad as mixpacking and shouldn’t be accommodated for

[last lily]

Journal diary "Dog"

Huh?

[sweet hollow]

fr, like a stego needs support from tenos and pachys

[pure quiver]

I dont know how game dev works, but I'm fairly certain that features come before optimization..... I could be wrong

[proud coral]

Pretty much. That's why betas tend to be more about bug fixing and optimization since all the big core stuff has already been implemented.

We're like way in Alpha currently

[pure quiver]

Yeah! And I get that people WANT optimization but we're no way near that right now, so we just need a little patience

[barren zephyr]

I guess I should have distinguished my comment more, sorry. I was agreeing with you then I went onto talking about my suggestion. I'll change it.

[cinder fossil]

It’s all good, I just got confused lol.

[cinder fossil]

People are rightfully mad in that they can hardly play a game they payed money for.
However it is a work in progress, it’ll get better but it’s hard not to get a little bit upset when you die from a sudden frame drop.

[urban flax]

@nova delta So when you land there's already 5 raptors waiting to eat you ?

I don't think it makes much sense either since mercs seem to be becoming less and less mercs lore-wise and more test subjects or clones who never left the island

[nova delta]

yah probably but it is an idea

[zealous stone]

Yeah I was wondering why the heck people are sending unarmed butt naked mercs to an island inhabited by dangerous megafauna

[minor laurel]

Huh what? Why my post about the lighting was delete?

[icy lion]

We expect feedback posts to be both constructive and descriptive. Yours didn't meet those criteria

[minor laurel]

So, if i repost it and write what can be improved, will it be good?

[icy lion]

Of course!

[minor laurel]

Alright, thank you for your answer !

[surreal sedge]

thing is, the current utah is utah v2, and besides current utah seems like its being renamed to omniraptor i imagine so there is actually room to add in the actual hench af utahraptor

[brittle night]

@placid plinth legacy won't be getting any type of support and in the future it will get deleted, so far devs have confirmed that all dinos from legacy, except from puerta that is getting replaced with brachi, will be coming to evrima eventually, but first they are working on adding mechanics rather than dinos, so once all the major mechanics are in (elder system, perks, weather, along side humans, and a few things more), dinos will be the principal point of focus, doesn't mean that they won't work on dinos in the mean time, just its not the priority for now

[placid plinth]

sad

[half ocean]

Anyone know how to create the nest as a Deino? Tried pairing a couple different times and I cannot place a nest.

[limber hull]

did you do it in the water?

[half ocean]

Yes we corded/paired in the water

Then I went on land to try and place the nest area

[limber hull]

huh

so no visual indicator?

[half ocean]

No sir

I was pressing b and holding b walking everywhere

[limber hull]

isnt it n?

[half ocean]

Figured it out

My fault

Thanks for the help anyways!

[barren zephyr]

Haha I did the same thing when I was a newer player. When I figured out my mistake I tried N on a fellow utah everyone watching, and still nothing happened. We figured out we were the same gender, it was awkward coz the pack wanted to see da dance 😅

[tidal prawn]

Hows our hope of optimization going?

[limber hull]

what kind of answer do you even expect for that question lmao

[tidal prawn]

A positive one

[limber hull]

okay

they aren't planning to make the FPS worse next update

[tidal prawn]

Great

[tidal prawn]

@ruby flame actually tested the hitboxes and they were pretty good when the ping and frames are stable which on official and in general theyre not
Its more a problem of desync and lag
Also carno hitboxes out of all were the worst often they didnt connect

[severe idol]

@proud coral
Tell me when the rename goes into the live version of the game and I will change the emoji tag.

[proud coral]

👍

[gritty terrace]

@glacial tulip quokkas are so cute, I just wanna maul one as a utah

[gritty terrace]

@grizzled storm so they use to think so including me till I found out that more recent stuff says deinos bit force is less then rex, still a LOT but not more than rex, there isn't really anything that is able to beat rex when it comes to bite force rn

Purusaurus comes very close from what I have heard but I don't think its any more than rex

you still have a valid point tho im just pointing that portion out

[urban flax]

Just mentioning irl biteforce doesn't equate to in-game bite damage

[grizzled storm]

true and thank you

i have multiple points in my post

not just the biteforce

[finite jackal]

They should have the isle compatible on the steam deck

[topaz pendant]

why is utah being renamed to omniraptor or something?

[limber hull]

because it wont be utahraptor

an actual utahraptor is being added

and omniraptor isn't at all like a utahraptor

[topaz pendant]

oh so the current utah is being called an omni

[burnt bone]

Yes

[topaz pendant]

why omni dose it mean fake or something?

[faint folio]

Omni means "all"

[topaz pendant]

all-raptor?

[faint folio]

Yeah

Omni is a stem used in words like omniscient (all-knowing)

[topaz pendant]

but dose all raptor mean then?

[faint folio]

Idk... Maybe it's implying that omniraptor was created by AE with bits of many different kinds of raptor species DNA? Kinda like a hybrid?

[topaz pendant]

ah kk i thought we knew about the current utah or omni thx for the help

[tired kayak]

id spam the word fps in here if i didnt get banned from it

[limber hull]

i dont think that'd achieve much of anything

besides, yknow, you getting banned

[runic steppe]

💀

[deep aurora]

@keen imp I personally think that the respawn cooldown is a good thing in itself as it prevents people from winning fights just by spawning back every time they die. I do however understand your frustration, because the map is built in a way where center is the only place with other players = food for carnivores, and I have to change the server every time I get killed in there just to be able to play. (Or wait for the cooldown time to end.)

[keen imp]

exactly so it should be lessened not by to much like its not that much 2 minutes instead of 80 is better

[jade brook]

Center isn't the only place with other players... and it's pretty close to every other spawn if you really need to go back there, even for a fresh starving spawned carnivore.
Also there are turtles and crabs for EZ early growth on the south west and north east beaches.
I really don't see how changing server would be necessary to be able to play.

I even tend to avoid center, personally...

[spark juniper]

I'm currently a deino and no night vision available.. is this normal?

[wispy fable]

theres no night vision underwater

[faint folio]

If you're under water night vision doesn't activate. Night vision does work on deino if you are on the waters surface or out of the water.

If you're trying to use night vision in one of the latter scenarios and it's still not working you'll probably need to delete your Saved folder to reset the keybinds

[spark juniper]

Yes deleted that folder worked!

[deep aurora]

That's fair, but I personally find growing by eating only AI a bit hard, and I'm not that good with the map so I'm not sure how to get to center from most of the spawn points. (I only know south east and center.) Center has way more corpses laying around than any other place, and the only ai that I found as a juvi utah trying to play anywhere else was frogs. Sure big herbivores also go to south east but there's no way for me to hunt them as a juvenile utah. Maybe I should just try to learn to play the game and use the map though :')

[tidal prawn]

Yes you should

[deep aurora]

:)

[limber hull]

idk whats more bizarre, that post or the fact it got past censors

[uneven mist]

What the hell was that “suggestion” lol

[burnt bone]

General feedback is wild today lmao

[low canopy]

feel like i missed something important

[urban flax]

Probably another suggestion about dinosaur genitals

Sometimes, missing something is what's best for your own good and trying to find it again will only lead to despair.

[burnt bone]

Nah, it was just slander against the devs, idk how it made it past the censors honestly

[urban flax]

Someone was probably very applicated in making their feedback without triggering the bot and should honestly be given credit for that then
Well I guess getting their suggestion deleted by a mod counts

[sudden hinge]

@plucky ridge they literally just don’t want them to copy and paste the streams into there videos with no effort. Like it’s not that deep and definitely not hard to add commentary and actually change the stuff so it’s not just taking the stream

[dusk meteor]

People wouldn't need to be kept in the loop by content creators if the devs just recorded and uploaded their own streams in full.

That said, the devs really gain nothing but animosity from threatening the people that are providing hype and essentially advertising how much work is going into the game in their stead

That said adding commentary is perfectly acceptable under US fair use and the Isles EULA is governed by Virginia law. That said, streams are not covered by that eula, just the software you have available. Fair use is, of course, measures against things like how much content you used, whether you're making money and what the impact for the copyright material is. Though it's super weird for a copyright holder to threaten anything when it's actually a boon and comes from nothing more than overprotective spite, like Nintendo.

this is also why he devs suck when it comes to mods because they literally ban them in their user agreement

They would be within their right to file copyright. It is questionable as to whether that's a reasonable claim under US law and could fall both ways.

The only thing that's really certain is that if they did, it'd be a strange move considering that afterthought is not a self-propelling brand like Nintendo who can afford to be rude and dismissive to their consumers.

That all being said, I have no idea if there's any validity to the claim that the devs have threatened or harassed creators.

[limber hull]

the most "harassment" i've heard of is dondi saying "please dont upload my streams unedited, that's gross, thanks"

[dusk meteor]

That sounds about the same as what most of us would understand. The way some creators act is very much tip-toeing on glass which is suggestive of more than a polite request

I would think the reality is somewhere inbetween, as most things tend to be.

[fickle oar]

#general-feedback message I agree with this, even turning the spit into a little more of an AOE where hitting the Head and not necessarily the eyes would count for the blinding effect, because unless you're fighting someone standing still or someone unaware you're even there, landing the spit shot is very hard Especially with the way the camera works and the shot doesn't line up with the intuitive cursor aiming.

[dusk meteor]

Spit shot sucks

I'd agree too. It's hard to land and has little to no actual impact for landing it despite the fact that it's one of the more costly abilities in the game at this time

[plucky ridge]

I don’t see the big deal in them doing that. It allows easier access to update content with less confusion with commentary from the YouTubers. At lease that was the experience that quite a few people were having before some came out with the other method. YouTubers would make unfounded accusations about update content which gave faults expectations of what is coming to the game. Because if this people would get mad at the devs. Plus the YouTuber that are doing the “copy and paste” method are actually more organized and easier to follow so you know what is going on. Just don’t see the point in taking time to get after them when they have a game to make and if anything the content creators are helping the game. Other developers don’t go after their content creators so….

[dusk meteor]

Well, no, other devs do, they're just equally as unpopular or have a significant player base to where having a poor community reputation doesnt matter that much

But generally speaking creators are left alone because they provide a boon, especially when the devs themselves are not filling the niche the creators are.

[urban flax]

@limber hull Oh you don't like the idea ?

[limber hull]

i dont like the idea of a 3 call having an effect, idk, seems odd

[urban flax]

That's callled a gimmick
if it was a separate additionnal ability it would be even weirder, wouldn't it ?

[wispy fable]

i have a feeling para mix packing with anything would be very op

[urban flax]

I wouldn't mixpack wwith something that stuns me everytime it uses its special ability

[wispy fable]

then get out of range

and plus like nothing could kill it if it has that ability

[urban flax]

Then it's the same as mixpacking with anything else
idk how that's any more OP than mixpacking ith pachys ho can ACTUALLY run at you and break your bones

[obsidian jetty]

Imagine 5 Paras spamming 3calls...

[urban flax]

Dinos have a limited bar specific for calls to prevent spamming them

[wispy fable]

yes but the pachy doesnt have that much health and it need to get very close

[urban flax]

Yes that's literally the point of it
Don't attack 5 paras at once unless you also have your on pack

[wispy fable]

paras will attack you lol

stunning circle

[obsidian jetty]

They will run around constantly 3calling

Killing everything in their path

[urban flax]

I said "daze" not stun
So they could still move, just have impaired vision and attacks

[obsidian jetty]

We know this community 😂

[wispy fable]

yup

[urban flax]

It has nothing to do with the community

[wispy fable]

kinda will lmao

[urban flax]

You all kinda assume that para ill have high speed and good offensive abilities on top of that special one

It also all depends on its range and the intensity of the aforementioned "daze" effect

That's not like it cannot be adjusted

[obsidian jetty]

No, we assume there are plenty of trolls that will find a way to abuse stuff like that ^^

[urban flax]

Honestly
Abusing attacks to kill something that doesn't kno when it should get away isn't really abuse

[wispy fable]

also its a hadrosaur its meant to run away

[urban flax]

Not from things it can fight back

[dusk meteor]

Yeah like hypsi isn't a troll ability

[wispy fable]

you have to aim as a hypsi

and it can barely see itself

[dusk meteor]

I like para having an aoe sound effect, I've always imagined it having one, I just don't know what it would be.

And hypsis amiable ability completely blinds you. With this suggestion it wouldn't

It would be a partial blindness of dazed state, probably minus the bite damage debuff since that wouldn't make sense

This ability isn't as good as it sounds lmao

[obsidian jetty]

"Meant to" doesn't work in this game...don't get me wrong, I kinda like the general idea and it does make sense that a call that loud has some kind of effect on things that are close, but it's always kinda iffy because...well...people gonna people shrug

[dusk meteor]

Its actually trash for combat since para is a big target

[wispy fable]

bro thinks hes making the para

[urban flax]

Isn't that what you're doing as well when you say that it would be OP ?

[dusk meteor]

No? I just read the suggestion

[wispy fable]

it would either be op or just bad

[urban flax]

Well obviously you can read the future, no point in arguing then

[dusk meteor]

I don't think it would be op.

I don't think it should do any damage though

[wispy fable]

🤣

[dusk meteor]

Sound is also stam based so it also adds thst you would need to keep stam high to have a wider radius

[topaz pendant]

@urban flax ur para concept is so far fetched xd

[urban flax]

What do you mean by "far-fetched" ?

[wispy fable]

lmao

[topaz pendant]

like not realistic

[dusk meteor]

It's not far fetched. Loud sounds are disorientating and hurt your ears. There's nothing fat fetched about that.

[urban flax]

Actually that's very realistic and might very well be something it did irl

[wispy fable]

no its isnt mah boi

[topaz pendant]

all it would have done is hurt the other dinos ears

[urban flax]

That's a valid defense tactic

No dinosaur wants to end its life absolutely deaf because it was too hungry for para flesh

[topaz pendant]

ik but having a sonic boom as a defence just sounds kinda off ? idk how to say it

[eager ridge]

hello, to know where I can see the next patch notes?

[dusk meteor]

disorientating is more the key. Audio can disorientate animals and people.

But also like, its blowing a trumpet full blast in your ear. It's not a sonic boom.

[urban flax]

You cannot see future patch notes
But next update will bring in gore system and humans, probably among some other things

[obsidian jetty]

Could reduce hearing for affected dinos then? Like muffled sound with an annoying "beep" noise? Like stun grenades in other games? XD

[topaz pendant]

yes

[eager ridge]

do you know date?

[urban flax]

Probably not the beep but yeah

[topaz pendant]

but it wouldnt make sence since why would para do that an not any other dinos load roar

[dusk meteor]

Reducing hearing is not a good combat ability. But you clearly haven't been screamed at in the ear before

[urban flax]

No there are no ETAs for future updates

[topaz pendant]

this year is all we know

[urban flax]

Because other dinos don't have a trumpet embedded into their heads

[dusk meteor]

It ruptures ear drums nd causes the liquid in your ears to vibrate.

[wispy fable]

how about muffled hearing and like a tinnitus effect

[faint folio]

@urban flax I don't like it being tied to 3 call (sometimes you actually just want to communicate intention or decline group invites without the additional affect)

BUT a sound based debuff ability would make sense for para. It should be limited in how much you can spam it, though-- maybe like hypsi, it uses enough "vocal ability" that it leaves you hoarse and unable to use it again for a few minutes if you spam it 4-5 times in under a minute or so

[obsidian jetty]

It kinda is especially at night and no thankfully I usually don't get screamed at...at least not at that volume...but this is a game after all and I'm just juggling ideas that would do something here ^^

[urban flax]

I mean that's why I mentioned it being on HELD 3-call

[faint folio]

I'd still want it to be a separate button entirely. Combat abilities shouldn't be tied to the normal communication calls at all

[urban flax]

As I said to wavepoole, I feel it fits more as a call. Personnally if there was a call on an ability button I'd wonder why it isn't on a call button instead

[faint folio]

Actually I think it would be interesting to have it be a light stun- 0.5 to 2 seconds or so, radiating in a cone from the para's head, with a maximum range of attack of 180 degrees. Don't get in front of a para

[faint folio]

Because it isn't a call, it's a stun/blind ability flavored as a call.

[urban flax]

Visually and auditively it's a call

[faint folio]

You use it not to communicate but to attack players

Ergo it's an attack

[urban flax]

Attacking can be a form of communication

[cyan flame]

@urban flaxI'll have to disagree with it being on call for the reason that I'd like to see more variation for calls in general, between tap and held. In your case of three call, a short tap would be a quiet hiss/snarl like a "Oi, watch it", while held is the normal "Im going to end you!". Aside from that, I like the idea of giving para sonic based abilities in some manner.

[urban flax]

But without the silly argument about wether it's an attack or not, I favor simplicty and saving buttons that are specifically for special ability, well... for them. Tying that one ability to a call makes room for more attacks or abilities oion the other bttons for para

[dusk meteor]

I don't see why it couldn't be a normal RMB and have it just be a new call?

People are so hung up on the tiny details lmao

[faint folio]

Yes but it also defeats the purpose of 3 call. You use 3 call for intimidation, a threat, or warning. Having also apply a debuff means 3 call does not function as intended because it's no longer a threat, it's an actual attack

[cyan flame]

It depends on how many other attacks/abilities the para would have then, if we need to "save" a button or not. But it makes the most sense I think to keep it on an attack button, rather than a call button. Especially since calls should have more variation anyway.

[faint folio]

Yeah... Currently only teno uses all 4 ability buttons

I don't see para having so many different abilities that it will run into the problem of not having enough slots for abilities

Most playables have 2-3 distinct ability/attacks, not counting passives like deino water sense

[urban flax]

At this point it boils don to a matter of preference
I thought the idea of tying it to a call would be welcome, but... well whatever

I posted my idea and got some interesting arguments for and against it
Now let's just hope devs consider it and make it into something good

[cyan flame]

Eh, I would rather see something like stego flushing plates for a three call, a cool effect but not an actual ability. You could have that on para, no actual damage or anything but some kind of visual effect somehow that just shows the potential of the para calls.

[obsidian jetty]

Maybe alt+rmb and only usable when standing still as a purely defensive thing would be the easiest option

[urban flax]

Why ALT+rmb ?

And not just rmb ?

[obsidian jetty]

That depends on what other attacks the para has. I think a shoulder check or something should take priority over that "call attack"

And when you're standing still to use it anyway you have the time to press alt ^^

[urban flax]

That is also why I suggested it being on 3-call instead of an ability button. I don't like having two completely different abilities on the same button (although ptera cling exists)

[faint folio]

I mean, teno exists

[urban flax]

But at least on teno they're all attacks
And LMB are front attacks while RMB are back attacks

[faint folio]

Its a little confusing at first but the basic organization of the abilities is RMB = rear end, LMB = front end

That would work for para too

[urban flax]

If para got RMB= shoulder check (melee, front-oriented attack)
And Alt+RMB= sonic attack (ranged, more of a dissuasion tool than an actual attack)

That would be weird

[faint folio]

But again-- anything that applies a debuff on other dinos is a form of attack. That debuff can be bleed or HP damage, but it's also stuff like stun, fracture, blind etc that limits mobility or ability to fight

[obsidian jetty]

I think no matter how you do it people will get used to it. I was thinking in priority...as in which attacks would be used more frequently. That's why I said alt+rmb for the call attack

[urban flax]

But wouldn't it be the first attack you use in a confrontation ? First you try to force the enemy to disengage, and if it doesn't work then you use your other attacks

[faint folio]

Sonic boom could be alt + LMB. As regular LMB tends to be a basic bite/head attack

[obsidian jetty]

Yes it would be the first but you wouldn't use it that much during the fight

[urban flax]

true

[urban flax]

Good point

[faint folio]

Then the abilities could be split between LMB (head/head based attacks, which Sonic boom is, given the resonating cavity on iye head), and RMB (body based attacks like shoulder check, tail swings, kicks, etc)

[obsidian jetty]

And a head or chest fracture would lead to the sonic attack not being usable anymore?

[urban flax]

probably

[faint folio]

Head fracture makes the most sense I think-- resonating cavity being on the head and head fractured reducing damage typically

Body fractures impact Stam drain and recovery

[obsidian jetty]

If you can't breathe properly you can't scream tho o.o

[urban flax]

On the other hand you need your lungs to honk, so it'd make sense if they prevented that one ability too

[faint folio]

I mean Stam drain from body fracture would still impact how many times you could scream

[obsidian jetty]

Shouldn't a carno charge be able to interrupt it then? Or a pachy headbutt to the ribs?

[faint folio]

That I think depends on the size of the dino interrupting. Para is pretty big

I doubt pachy would do much to it

Carno charge might be able to interrupt-- it's larger

But honestly even carno may be too small depending on para's weight

But in general yeah getting fractured or stunned should interrupt the honk

[obsidian jetty]

Ever had a kid jump on your chest? They may be small but it still does something. Anyhow...lots to take into consideration there and sure lots to play around with. ^^

[faint folio]

Yeah for sure. I'd be super excited if they implemented something like a sonic ability for para

[maiden anvil]

@urban flax While I do appreciate your attempt to ensure parasaurolophus to have sonic abilities (I as my self am fighting hard for it to have that), I don’t know if I can agree with how that exactly would work

[urban flax]

Well you can read the discussion above and see why I imagined it this way

[gritty terrace]

I just do not like the thought of para having a sonic attack, sounds more like an ark thing than a isle thing

like yeah it can be cool of it can honk louder than anything else in the game but that is a bit much

[bleak birch]

Maybe honking in too close of a proximity (like right up against them) could cause distortion to their hearing and balance momentarily, which would open them up to getting checked by a shoulder attack. More realistic, less super ability like

[tidal prawn]

Ye proximity based kinda

[gritty terrace]

I can see that ig

[bleak birch]

Just throwing out some ideas because I’d like to see Para not be a pushover, but also I’m not too sure how I would make it defend itself lol. It just feels like with their honking being so unique, it should play into it somehow

[summer thistle]

I don’t think they’d do any real dmg, more like a debuff

[bleak birch]

Agree, not enough damage to go around killing things or to be confident around larger Dino’s, but enough ability to defend and get away like with Pachy vs Carno. They would mainly break a leg and run

[summer thistle]

Ye, and they’d be annoying like hyoid

Hypsi

Bruh

Autocorrect

[bleak birch]

I love playing as annoying Dino’s lol

[gritty terrace]

shoulder checking and stomps can be a lot stronger than you think

[summer thistle]

Hypsi could blind them and para could deafen them, the perfect team

[bleak birch]

That’s true, I’d have no idea what would be a good balance lol

[bleak birch]

That would be too much fun lol

The perfect escape

[summer thistle]

And then some bigger herbis could take ‘em out, would promote non herbis cannibalism between different species

[limber hull]

i love the concept that devs ignore optimisation entirely lmao

dont tell them that even if they perfectly optimised the game, the next update could immediately break it

[faint folio]

For real. Also, maybe this a wild assumption, but... I think a lot of the lag people experience is due to how the map works/loads, which... I mean, they're making a new map anyways. If they make optimizations on the map, it will probably be included when the new map is released

[limber hull]

maybe

[faint folio]

The rest I think is bodies/blood, which may very well get some optimization passes with gore coming up

[limber hull]

i just think people asking for optimisation when
A: It's a constant ongoing process
B: Delaying another update to perfectly optimise the current update, all before breaking said optimisation with the new content of the next update, is probably counter-intuitive

[faint folio]

I mainly notice lag spikes when I cross over to a different map tile though as the game suddenly tries to render in more stuff

Oh for sure.

[runic steppe]

Not only that the feedback is unproductive the devs know they have fps and optimization issues shut up about it lmao

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-gif-19153078

deino to do this

[tidal prawn]

Love it

[uneven mist]

@west agate wil most likely have the same skin as it had in legacy because it was shown in the nesting grounds concept

[west agate]

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[uneven mist]

Ah

[zealous violet]

THIS.

[tidal prawn]

So as I didnt see it for a while now
Please fix magnetic pounce to head and tail it makes no sense jumping into a literal weapon be unharmed and still get the pounce off... I just cant believe this is what youre game will be like any longer

Why is this not adressed any more 👆

[urban flax]

Because it is very likely that devs already saw the many feedbacks about it by now ?

[dusk meteor]

Because the pounce is a complicated thing to get working in a stable manner and you're also playing a game.

It makes perfect sense for something to latch onto the head or back and I'd argue those would be worse than a side pounce.

But creating two new variations of the pounce is a lot of work.

On the flip side, if pounce is cancelled by the front or back that is going to cause some serious jank. It'll be the wiggling hithox method all over again.

But even more than that it's a game. You essentially have a player who has hit your hotbox with their special ability so their ability activates. It just so happens the only variation of the pounce is based on the sides, so that's where players go when the animation has to play. It's not rocket science.

Nothing is magnetic about it. The game is playing as intended.

this would all be easily fixed if other attacks had priority to knock the utah down like pachy since jumping at the face should hold risk, though I don't exactly think jumping at the back should hold risk given your opponent has turned, unless they have an attack to defend their rear too

[urban flax]

It actually is
Dinos already have separate hitboxes for their head, neck, body, base of the tail, tip of the tail and legs
And no, it doesn't make sense for omniraptor to be able to latch on something's head or tail. Heads move too much (and are often to small) to allow a raptor to latch on them, not even talking about tails. The raptor would just fall over in both cases.

There was a time where you couldn't pounce heads and tails, and although yes, pounce did fail most of the time back then, I believe hitboxes have been improved since then.

[burnt bone]

The main issue I have with pounce is that, because of the new stun timers, you can get up faster after falling by getting knocked down again.

The stun from running out of stam or being scraped off lasts 5. A normal knockdown lasts 3 seconds. So if you fall off and get knocked down again less than 2 seconds after, you get back up faster.

This is especially detrimental to pachy. Carno gets a free kill when utah falls since it can get like 3+ bites, teno can hit a kick and slam for immediate death. Pachy, gets 1 free knockdown, maybe an aimed break at most. So it’s basically just a free hit, while everything else gets to set up a major combo or a death sentence.

[faint folio]

Yeah just making pounce lower priority than other attacks would fix a lot of issues... If a carno bit a Utah in real life, reasonably the Utah would not be going anywhere because the bite will also probably check the Utah's momentum.

Of course it isn't irl, but I think it has some validity for gameplay too. Utah should be trying to dodge around attacks to get a pounce, not tanking through it.

My only other thought is I'm okay with head pounces being a thing, but probably not tail tip pounces... There's simply not enough structure to hold a Utah at the tip of most tails (the base where it's nice an thick would be fine), whereas even if heads are small they tend to have enough surface area and strong neck muscles that something could reasonably grapple it. Moreover, tail tip pounce usually activates outside of the hit box of the tail attacks (stego swing and teno slam), which also means there's not much said dinos can do to counter. Head pounces typically come with the risk of a bite/front attack, which paired with priority would mean Utah's run the risk of pounce being cancelled and stunned if the pounce the head

[faint folio]

Pachy is in a bit of an odd spot for balance. A single pachy is arguably the weakest combative dino in the game (ignoring things like hypsi, dryo, and pt that while they can fight, are generally not statted for it). But a full group (8) is probably the most powerful thing in the game atm, with the exception of stego for the sole reason that I don't think pachys can actually fracture an adult stego, and tail fractures aren't a thing. Deino's typically are just kind of... There, and don't often participate in a proper fight

[burnt bone]

Here’s the thing though, pachies are slow. Anything they can outrun, they can’t break. Anything a horde of pachies can demolish, can just avoid them by being faster and running away.

Plus, I HATE balancing a creature solely on group play. Even utahs can hunt small things alone, then pack up to deal with larger threats.

Even then, what does this have to deal with pachy knocking down a utah? If multiple pachies try to swarm a knocked down utah, they’re going to hit each other. So only 1 can go at a time.

[faint folio]

Pachy is ever so slightly faster than Utah (I have to weave to avoid the bonk... If I run in a straight line they catch up)

But I agree completely about balancing for solo play as well. Not everyone can find a group especially as more things get added to the roster, so making solos viable is important. Pachy is just particularly complicated because it's attacks quickly become scary powerful working as a team

It has everything to do with pachy knocking Utah. I've been slam dunked by a pair of pachy after one knocks me down, and I've seen a friend dunked on by 3 pachys hitting at the same time after they got knocked down. Needless to say, neither of us got up again after the knockdown

[burnt bone]

Pachy is 100% slower than utah tho.

[gray mesa]

Pachy is 41,8 KM/H while Utah is 46,8 KM/H

[uneven mist]

Like 500 bleed per hit I think(because rn buteforce/dmg = bleed. Exept if it’s Utah)

And some animals like pachy dont do bleed and tenos tail attack

Not really

It should be lower, but rn things like carno and deino do the same amount of bleed as they do dmg which I think is dumb

If this continues then rex wil be a bleeder

Things like allo, acro, giga yes

[icy lion]

Does it? What makes you think that?

[uneven mist]

I’ve heard that animals like carno and deino (I think) does the same amount of bleed as they do dmg (was some time ago and now I doubt they do if you are confused)

They could have patched it

Or deino may not have done that exact amount of bleed but carno did (to an extent)

[burnt bone]

Bleed is one of those things where it’s near impossible to just get a number out of. There’s so many factors that go into play.

[crystal trail]

@cinder fossil As I've stated in islediscussion many times... Optimization is something we look at in every patch, and make small improvements in as we go. It's not something where we're able to buckle down and make everything perfect in one patch.

[cinder fossil]

I am aware of that

But others are not

Which is why I suggested making an announcement about it,

[crystal trail]

Well they should read our DevBlogs then

[cinder fossil]

Devblogs are nice and do have information but it’s a lot of information at once, I’m just saying, I’m noticing a lot more optimization complains in feedback, having a post to alleviate those concerns would be beneficial, just explain why you can’t buckle down and do it.

Not everyone is aware of why you can’t do that.

[crystal trail]

Information like that is for DevBlogs, aka a place where information regarding development activities is all compiled into one place for people to browse through. Chopping something out of it to make as it's own standalone post seems extremely redundant, as if they aren't willing to browse through the DevBlog it's unlikely they'll read through a standalone post.

[cinder fossil]

I think that the people who want optimization, might be willing to read something about optimization…

The dev blog is filled with other things, it’s easy to get lost in it.

I mean you could… have a voting pole?

But you do what you think is best

[crystal trail]

Issue with voting polls is that even if you state that their outcome isn't binding... A lot of people assume that it is. It's the same reason we don't have anything like that reaction-wise for our Phase Three posts, as there would be complaints from people who thought the decision making process would be based on which reaction had a higher number. Instead the reactions on phase posts are more for gauging view metrics at a glance.

So while we may do polls for some neat community oriented stuff in future, they aren't something we use often for the above reason.

[cinder fossil]

I see

[crystal trail]

Not to mention... We can literally see what people want because we read through these feedback channels. But optimization, as I've said throughout time... It's not something that will suddenly be instantly solved in one single patch. It's a process, I.E something that we will always continually improve upon until the game is finished and everything is in a perfect state.

[proud coral]

Man, I just made my feedback and now I see the topic is being discussed in here

[crystal trail]

Also pinning every comment doesn't work, as there's a limit on pins.

[proud coral]

Oh 😮 I didn't know that

[crystal trail]

And then having to regularly clean that out would be annoying

As you'd also run the risk of old stuff getting pinned, forgotten about and causing confusion when things change & people look back to something that was pinned and not removed

[proud coral]

That's fair 👍

[cinder fossil]

Pining multiple messages is obviously out of the question, but again, making a post In announcements or something and being able to link it to people who have concerns

[crystal trail]

An example would be everytime we add something that differs from it's initial roadmap description, because design theory can differ heavily from final implementation when you run into certain hurdles during it's development, which results in having to pursue different solutions or outcomes.

But regardless, there's often a lot of angry comments.

[crystal trail]

We do that already with our DevBlogs. Like it happened yesterday when someone asked me what the main differences between the current Diet system and Update 6's, so I told him to go check our last blog. Otherwise if we separated everything into it's own announcement, it'd be more tedious to direct people to the information they want.

[proud coral]

If only more people would read the DevBlogs then, because the constant suggestions that just say things like "optimize the game" and nothing more can quickly bury actual good feedback

Plus that doesn't actually suggest anything. 😛 That's like saying "buff Carno" and that's it

[cinder fossil]

I can understand why people want optimization, the game runs horribly

But it floods out any good feedback, which is why I suggested to make an announcement about it and answer some questions

But I guess it may have the same affect as the devblogs,

[proud coral]

Also this whole conversation just makes me think of all the "ugh devs never read feedback" comments 😛

ye sure 'bout that?

[faint folio]

Lol for real 😅

[cinder fossil]

To be fair, I never knew punch read the feedback until I saw the book mark things

🔖

[faint folio]

Honestly I read the suggestions partially for pure entertainment. 😅

Surely at least some of the devs do it too

[cinder fossil]

Ngl some of the feedback is absolute trash
I’d almost want a template

[agile lark]

compi pounce animation, RN when pouncing compi it T poses

[cinder fossil]

I’d make a bug report about it

[agile lark]

ok thanks, will do

[crystal trail]

Can't wait for a month or two to pass and the "clearly nobody reads these/devs never listen to feedback11!!" posts reappear. Completely sidelining history.

However most feedback is actually an interesting read, even suggestions that we don't take on board. There's a lot of really cool things people have devoted a significant amount of time to brainstorming.

[cinder fossil]

Yea some stuff is rather cool, I read it a good bit

[crystal trail]

Something kinda funny as well is that in one of our stress tests we had a bunch of feedback about our scent system. There was multiple feedback submissions saying that the scent system was too difficult, but also an equal amount of submissions saying it was too easy.

[cinder fossil]

I just think it’s too… simple lol

[pale crest]

Hiya, Punchie!

[crystal trail]

Don't get me wrong, we do think the system needs significant improvement. I'm bringing up that specific circumstance for the humour factor, because it presents an awkward situation where acting on one side of that feedback can often make the opposite side feel ignored (which obviously isn't the case). And we've had complaints in the past from users who claim we aren't listening to feedback because we opted to go with someone elses.

[crystal trail]

yo

[pale crest]

Have there been suggestions you’ve actually added to evrima or legacy at some point or see potential with being added to the game?

[crystal trail]

But it's also kinda funny to see two even groups of users call something underpowered and overpowered at the same time.

[crystal trail]

Lots and lots. I mean hell, going back to the early days this game was supposed to be like 3 carnivores and a couple of human factions. Herbivores were a community suggestion, same goes for the deeper emphasis on it being an animal survival game.

[cinder fossil]

I guess it really depends on what you’re playing as, if you’re a herbivore and carnivore finds you by following your scent, you may think it’s op,
But as a carnivore and you lose someone’s scent repeatedly you may think it’s under powered

[pale crest]

Interesting.

[crystal trail]

I remember back in Legacy we used to do placebo patches. Aka people say something akin to like "Rex overpowered!" so we'd claim that we nerfed some of the rex's stats in the patchnotes, when in reality nothing to do with the rex was even touched... And then those same threads would turn to "Rex underpowered!"

[cinder fossil]

The placebo affect is a powerful thing

[pale crest]

Well… that explains… a lot… I guess?

[cinder fossil]

Buff Rex without telling people, test your testers 👹

[cinder fossil]

Are you even looking for testers anymore?

[crystal trail]

QA or Stress Testers?

[cinder fossil]

QA

[crystal trail]

Generally when it comes to QA you'd want to DM Hypno and ask.

[cinder fossil]

Ah I didn’t know I could dm Hypno lol

[crystal trail]

You can DM him about QA inquiries, but don't bombard his inbox lmao

[cinder fossil]

Lol I won’t,

[crystal trail]

Inb4 Hypno wakes up tomorrow, 52 messages from Vivid

[cinder fossil]

Pfft, I bet someone has sent that many before

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was more

[crystal trail]

We can trade inboxes for a day

See if you can survive the flood

[cinder fossil]

I’m good lmao

[crystal trail]

[cinder fossil]

I’d go mad by the notifications 💀

[crystal trail]

The key is to disable desktop notifications and you're gucci for the most part

as discord desktop notifications are the most cursed things ever

[cinder fossil]

They are so annoying,

I don’t even get that many notifications and I have them disabled

[uneven mist]

@marsh juniper ok sorry if I misunderstood but trovo isn’t confirmed to the roster (or if you wanted trovo to replace acro)

[sullen brook]

What about better the option to make your dinosaur feathered or will they’re be feathered variations?

[icy lion]

Planned for some species

[uneven mist]

Some Dino’s that makes sense to have feathers like troodon, Gali ect wii get a feathered customization

[sullen brook]

Also like primal carnage will there be mutations that u can add or will it be random between parents?

Maybe a longer snout, maybe certain mutations can enhance eye sight.

[uneven mist]

Mutations? Don’t think so

[sullen brook]

Will u also have certain ability injuries? Like losing an eye, or a leg? Don’t know.

[uneven mist]

No, because that would be broken

[icy lion]

Probably not as they'd be too debiliating to gameplay

[uneven mist]

Loosing an arm or a leg does not sound fun. I’m all for injuries that makes it so you have to think before engaging but not dismemberement

[sullen brook]

Makes sense

[sullen brook]

I feel like Carno should have an interaction with the environment, like sharpening there horns. (Don’t think doing this would increase damage but it would be a cool feature.)

[uneven mist]

@bleak bison really like the idea for magy but I would also wish the devs went a little more crazy with its osteroderms like on its tail to look more similar to this (and funny enough we had mostly the same idea for magy)

[bleak bison]

Great minds think alike

[uneven mist]

I would also like it’s alt-attack to be a pivotal stomp where it would have a tap/hold variation: the tap would be fast, cost less stam, do no fracture and low dmg but would be to catch things like herrera, troodon and so on and the hold variation would cost more stam, have a slower wind-up, do fracture and lots of dmg and would use after knocking opponent down like cera, dilo and carno

[bleak bison]

I like that idea. It could also have an alt neck body knock down attack thing(that it does to cera in its concept art) which it can then land the stomp. Either idea is good

[uneven mist]

Yeah the knock down could be its alt-rmb

[uneven mist]

And yeah I forgot to say instead of a “wip” the tail attack could act more like a bat that hits hard because the tail looks to short and to stiff for a wip but perfect for it to act like a bat instead

And to maybe give it more osteroderms to look more like this weapon

It would not be fun to get hit by something like that

[bleak bison]

Now that’s a good idea

[uneven mist]

[uneven mist]

Oh yeah and we kinda have two of its calls if you didn’t know. It’s broadcast and friendly

[bleak bison]

Oh wow thank you so much I didn’t know we had them 🙏🏼💎❤️

[uneven mist]

Np bro

[gritty terrace]

@icy lion may I have my timer in general feedback reduced since my original post was deleted

[icy lion]

That's not possible, sorry

[gritty terrace]

you can't do that?

[icy lion]

Nope

[gritty terrace]

that really sucks because when the automod stops you from saying something it also redoes the timer

it is infuriating, I hope discord changes that

[bleak birch]

@barren zephyr I already get annoyed when I see Compies coming after my kill, so something snapping at my tail while I’m eating will really bring out my food aggression lol

[barren zephyr]

Life as a dino is not meant to be easy and relaxing, that is how it is. Hey! At least it keeps you on your feet 😆

[bleak birch]

Tbh I’d look forward to it, just more interaction to make the world alive 🙂 and give us a reason to use out primal instincts

[barren zephyr]

Indeed, but i think AI behaviour in general needs an upgrade altogether for it to work and be immersive 🙂

[green hatch]

For sensitivity, is there any way to turn it down other than changing dpi

[placid saddle]

How about starting the dinos with 1/2 hunger, instead of empty?

[ashen wasp]

@gritty terrace slit eyes shown off on Austro’s stream were just for rigging purposes

[gritty terrace]

oh ok, that is good

[cinder fossil]

For carnivores I could see maybe 1/3.

But herbivores? No
It’s literally impossible to starve as a herbivore unless you try.

[limber hull]

@cinder fossil a stego is over 4-5x the size of an adult utah

[cinder fossil]

I’m taking about a baby

A fresh spawn utah

[limber hull]

So it can’t pounce boars or other AI

[cinder fossil]

Ai is one thing, but other players are different. And there’s small ai, chickens and rabbits

Also, what is a fresh spawn Utah going to do to a boar.

[urban flax]

I'm against putting arbitrary rules on some specific interaction, while many mechanics would do the trick

Change stamina cost depending on size difference, add flat damage reduction to some playables, tweak how bleed is applied, and so on...

[tidal prawn]

@jagged jewel I really like your idea but whats missing is if he can move like alt bite when releasing the bite
Whats your opinion on that?
I think it could be beneficial but maybe a tad bit too strong

[jagged jewel]

I don’t really agree with that specifically, because then it overshadows alt bite defensively speaking

Alt bite should be for defending against mid tiers and smaller

Charged bite for bigger bois

[barren zephyr]

I stuck

[tidal prawn]

Okay I understand that but my concern is that it will be outplayed otherwise but yeah we'll see if the devs pick up on the idea

[real girder]

Has a dev actually came in here to converse and make a change based on feedback? seems like they put this here for us to vent without actually changing things that the players want

[jade brook]

#general-feedback-discussion message
litterally, 2 days ago

they read, react, comment and discuss more often than you think

[real girder]

Ok cool, I wasnt sure but I'm super happy my assumption is incorrect

[jade brook]

Just with yesterday's devblog we can see a lot of great upcoming changes that players were asking for in the feedback

[somber wraith]

@gritty terrace I like the both the slit and round pupils on dinos tbh. I do dislike carnos pupils though and I did bring up weird inconsistencies with the eyes like stegos sideways pupils and pachys lazy left eye and carnos goat pupils to Bryan when he streamed and he mentioned he reworked some of the eyes recently so hopefully it’ll be fixed.

[jade brook]

i'm curious where does the argument that no animal taller than 3ft should have slit pupils comes from

i mean, moose have slit pupils

[potent arrow]

@torpid karma Bodies floating up to the surface is just broken right now. Sometimes the bodies do actually float up to the surface, and in some cases the body will float up for one person but will still be underwater for someone else, but most of the time they just stay underwater.

[jagged jewel]

a moose eye is more like a goat's eye than an actual slit pupil

this is not a slit pupil

[jade brook]

an horizontal slit is a slit

[jagged jewel]

oh it still counts?

i'm pretty sure by slit they meant like, snake eyes

[urban flax]

That's not the same thing
Pupils are either elliptic or slit

[jagged jewel]

these types of slits are what they meant im p sure

[urban flax]

Slit pupils change their shape from round to the image above depending on light, while elliptic ones always keep the same shape

[jagged jewel]

ah that makes more sense

[urban flax]

And slit pupils serve to see better through dense grass

[jade brook]

This is an interesting article:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1500391

[uneven mist]

@barren zephyr

[unreal moss]

is it possible to play evrima on ge force now

[jade brook]

@frozen pelican #general-feedback-discussion message

Your suggestion has similarities to Vail's, so that's partly auspicious for you ig

idk about rewards tho

[frozen pelican]

@jade brookrewards would be maybe a pattern C

[icy lion]

There's been mention of colors and patterns needing to be unlocked

[frozen pelican]

or additional colors

or skin variations like the Raptors with feathers

[burnt bone]

I could have sworn they said you would be able to unlock certain colors like:
“Hey, you grew up a utah, have this new shade of green”

I remember punch saying something along those lines

[jade brook]

so it's achievement based?

[frozen pelican]

yea that makes people wanna reach those achievements

no pay to acquire just achievement based rewards

[jade brook]

i'm not against it

[frozen pelican]

say you've kept a Carno alive for over 72 hours

[burnt bone]

But I want my utah to look like goku

[frozen pelican]

u get a different variation of carno..with some spikes in different places maybe a broken horned one

just something

iridescent colors..

feathered areas so many possibilities

[jade brook]

I just worry about which kind of achievements would reward, and the crazyness level of rewards. Survival time i'm all for it it's the spirit of the game, but other things i'm wary of. You can be sure there will be achievement farming and I'm not for Goku features and Barney colors

[frozen pelican]

they just gotta make them hard to acquire

[jade brook]

I don't think the difficulty is the issue

[frozen pelican]

like..staying alive for 24hrs is easy. but 72hours?..takes work

not too many people would have these rewards

[jade brook]

well yes, survival time, as mentionned i'm all for it

but damaged absorbed?

[frozen pelican]

kills within one life

[jade brook]

yeah no

[frozen pelican]

well damage taken and survived would be more for a herbivore

and it would take a lot of damage

[jade brook]

then lot of farming damage

[frozen pelican]

yea that's the issue

kills would also be a problem

cause people would be spawning friends to kill them

[jade brook]

yeah, and would favorise sport killing A LOT

[frozen pelican]

and not playing the game. survival time is prob the only way

cause the game is exactly about that

and maybe offspring

like..if u had 10 successful eggs

[jade brook]

yeah offspring i could see too

[frozen pelican]

also I think the game needs an animation of when you're walking towards a cliff and ur about to fall u trigger the "whoa there" animation

not if you're running towards it though

kind of like in Red Dead Redemption 2 u walk towards a cliff on ur horse ur horse doesn't just walks off the cliff and falls

it pulls back the first time

if u force it again u'll fall though

[burnt bone]

As long as the achievements aren’t too demanding, I’d like achievements. Like: “become a strain to gain this new pattern” could be cool.

But “survive for 24+ hours” just sounds tedious

[frozen pelican]

u don't have to play 24hrs straight. You can log out play a diff server

then come back to it. it doesnt have to be tedious

my thing is..if every utah u see is feathered and different than the original then there's nothing special about it

and everyone will just pick the rarest patterns

it needs to be very hard to achieve otherwise no real prize there

[jade brook]

hmmm i haven't played RDR2, but that would require a form of edge detection which is weird to code in uneven elevation ... animations for all playables, and could interfere with voluntary movement.

[frozen pelican]

yes it would have to be manually defined in every ledge

every dino would have to have that animation so it requires a lot Im aware

but ya know..itd be nice

[jade brook]

so many people complain about those hidden cliffs. My question is: Why do you run ahead where you can't see?

[frozen pelican]

well I like those cliffs now cause they keep me fed

and I need people to fall there

but most are running when they fall

i feel like realistically if you're walking it'd be too obvious to fall irl

an easier fix would be an alert..kinda like a spider sense

alerting u of incoming height

[jade brook]

My main grip is the vegetation is just too equally dense. There's too much of the same bushes in many places and it interferes a lot with a 3rd person view... we used to be able to see through foliage when the camera was close enough to compensate, am i crazy or is it not a feature anymore?

If the vegetation had more sparse and varied height visibility it would be interesting. The cycads in the upcoming map is a good step in that direction

i would very much like a rework of many camera position for that matter

maybe not to the point of a first person view, but when i zoom in i'd like it to be nearer the head instead of the back or butt

some playable are fine but some others...

[faint folio]

Yeah... I think achievements should be per server, and only count survival time as in game. But to compensate drop the number of hours. You could even have different levels of achievement. Stuff like:

• Grow to adult (any dino with more than 2 hour grow time)
• Survive for 6 hours on a single dino
• Survive 12 hours on a single dino
• Nest in a full clutch of eggs (6, not necessarily from the same nest)

I hesitate to make it much longer though because then people will afk to get the achievement

[burnt bone]

Basically, that or make growing/achieving give stuff for that dino. If you grew a dryo, now you have a new dryo skin for next time, but you would have to grow something else to get their skin

[faint folio]

Yeah that makes sense

[jade brook]

@urban bear from what i've been told there are plans for progressive fracture severity and a wider range of playables would then be able to affect bone structure in some capacity.

[spiral wadi]

^ I think the scaring system will be really cool. Surviving Multiple battles and showing that off to other dinos around you.

[winter geode]

How can i play the game with humans?

[icy lion]

They're not available yet

[winter geode]

Oh i see, i saw some videos on youtube and i am new to the game im guessing it was beta testing?

[icy lion]

Yup! They were briefly tested on a separate branch, it started around December last year and ended earlier this year

[winter geode]

I see.

They will be added yes?

[icy lion]

Yea, the team wants them to be readded with update 6, but anything could change

[winter geode]

Alright thanks so much!

[icy lion]

@slim wing Start here #general-feedback-discussion message

[slim wing]

Optimization is a huge issue. You say it is on-going, and you make small improvements as you go. How come every update the optimization insanely gets worse then? I am not saying make it PERFECT in one patch, start making more optimization patches.

[icy lion]

Did you read the whole conversation or just that one message?

[slim wing]

I read all of it.

[faint moth]

If I see this admin, I just wanna ask for one thing. One thing only. Pentaceratops. I know you guys are super busy, and I respect that, and you guys are constantly working on new stuff, but it would be so cool. Thanks! Also, could you guys set points where you could optimize the isle, like after dibble or cera get added so things are more playable. From someone who can barely run the isle, and it getting progressively more unrunable, I’d love to see some love in the optimization department. Thanks!!!

[viral finch]

can stego stand like this? If does, how?
Tank you,
(screenshot from #ScreenShots segment )

[urban flax]

I don't think irl stego could stand like this
Not past a certain growth at least
But TI's stego laughs at gravity anyway

[next glade]

will update 6 and 6.5 release at the same time?

[uneven mist]

We don’t know

[next glade]

i think by the end of this month update 6 will come out because of halloween

[uneven mist]

I don’t se that, most likely December

[proven river]

[uneven mist]

@unreal moss go ahead

[unreal moss]

is it posssible

to play evrima on ge force now?

do u know?

[uneven mist]

I do not know, try asking in #isle-discussion

[unreal moss]

ok thanks

[proven river]

@clever urchin While I agree there does need to be more "tutorials" / "player tips" for new players, there are already little hints such as "Press G to pick up a chunk and hold G to drag body" or "Hold E to eat" ( G and E are just examples but it uses your keybinds. )

[clever urchin]

I know there's "Hold E to Eat" but I never noticed a "Hold G to Drag". Like you said the buttons are the ones we put but I used your example, however I'm not just talking about those little things. I'm talking about things like alt bites, special attacks and what not, however you also make a good point. It would be good if the game made more "tips" like that.

[proven river]

[bleak birch]

I had been playing the game for like 2 weeks before I even heard the word “alt-bite” and didn’t even know it was a thing lol changed my gameplay afterward for the better

[sick pond]

add massive boulders the the isle

[hoary dawn]

because clearly there are no massive boulders to be seen

[sullen brook]

Will Spinosaurus be able to show its sail and maybe flush blood into its sail to give a red color? Like stegosaurus do as a intimidation display? Or show its spine in some way, maybe rattle or something.

[icy lion]

Please only use this channel to discuss posts shared in #general-feedback

[proven river]

Nobody knows

[pure quiver]

Cosmetics get two strikes but poop gets a vote up, lol

[limber hull]

he voted himself up

that doesnt count

[pure quiver]

True

[proven river]

ಠ_ಠ

[proven river]

It works but the glowing eyes is a bit much

[limber hull]

im not even against poop in the game but the fact that he said it was "cute and funny" put me off

[pure quiver]

I figured. Unless they implement the glowy eyes in NV for everyone, I think the "Glowing Eye" cosmetic would work. On one hand it makes ambushes harder, and for two it looks spooky as all hell

[limber hull]

i personally dont like cosmetics being rewarded for constantly fighting the first thing you see

[pure quiver]

Fair enough

[limber hull]

just encourages the wrong style of play imho

[proven river]

Yeah that too, there would be way more KOSers which would kinda suck

[pure quiver]

I can see that

Well, like I said, the achievements could be adjusted accordingly

[limber hull]

i'd rather you award cosmetics for actually surviving, combat is a part of that, but like, you don't need to fight everything

[proven river]

Plus, two people could cheat the system and farm the cosmetics

really easily

[pure quiver]

Well I DID specify ambushes, not kills

Like, if you successfully pounce and land

[proven river]

You know how many people would abuse that?

*exploit

[pure quiver]

Just to get a cosmetic that makes you easier to spot at night?

[proven river]

If it's not good then why would they even bother getting it in the first place? It was your idea

but people that did want it would exploit the system

very easily

[pure quiver]

For the spooks! the experience! you see glowing eyes you're gonna get scared!

[proven river]

That's not the point, I'm saying that people would exploit the system

[pure quiver]

Okay, then maybe not that one idea, I was just spit-balling ideas

"Court three players in one lifetime to unlock display feathers cosmetic" lol

[maiden anvil]

@viral finch I like the idea of “poop” and I think it would be a great implementation for tracking. Just too bad many people aren’t mature enough to see it beyond a joke

I would almost recommend to use the term “droppings” rather then the P word. Should make people take it more serious

[limber hull]

idk if you realised but the dude literally called poop "cute" and "funny" in his post, so he probably sees it as a joke too

[maiden anvil]

Oh I actually didn’t realize it…

[limber hull]

hence why i downvoted lmao

im fine with poop in this game but that's just weird...

[maiden anvil]

Once again, I’m all for it in order to improve tracking. Beyond that (if it’s gonna be treated as a joke) then it’s just dumb

[brittle night]

@nimble nebula you know that those still exists right?

1 call is broadcast
2 call is friendly
3 call is threaten
4 call is asking for help

[runic steppe]

They want two separate four calls. One for help and one as a warning. Similar to the people wanting two three calls. One a low growl for back off and the regular three call that says fight me

[nimble nebula]

But in development of evrima they talked about releasing a danger call not a help call it was different then a help call like the tenonto help call was original meant to be a “danger” call

[jade brook]

how many situations is there where you are asking for help in no danger?

[placid oriole]

yeah i agree thatd itd make tracking more realistic and engaging. especially considering that footsteps are random in a sense. maybe droppings would be taken more seriously if it didn't have a button, either. just a random idle animation (or lack of, like in Ark) after eating.

[jovial otter]

More like, "danger all of you run"
Vs
"Danger I need backup"

[uneven mist]

@glad willow idk what you mean about more considering we wil get 6 ceratopsians lol

[glad willow]

ik but i mean more informations on the progress of themwhen they will come to the game concepts and stuff like this

[jade brook]

4 call: Danger i want to flee
3 call: Danger i want to fight

if you need backup it's because you want to fight

3 calls already conveys that

[jovial otter]

3 call is directed at the other dino, 4 is for telling your pack. 3 call is more "back off or I'll kill you" not 'help me I'm being hunted"
People also want another call for a growl or hiss, a warning instead of an all out roar of murder

If I 3 call at something else, I could be saying I'm going to kill you, you need to back away, I'm scared, my pack needs to help me, I'll handle this myself, etc.
Contradictory things. Which is why there should be a little more variation in calls. For both RP, and in-game communication

[faint folio]

Yeah. I could see a warning call being useful especially for smaller dinos. Something that means "predator spotted! Scatter!"

At the moment 4 call generally means something like "I'm fighting and want help" (or in some cases people co-opt it because it sounds more aggressive than the 3 call), and the 3 call is a threat display/warning: something like "you want some of this? Come and get it!" Or "back off or I will kill you!" Or even "I don't want to group with you"

There really isn't a call to warn other dinos of your species to be careful and avoid the area

[faint folio]

Yeah I'm not opposed to poop, but you know there's going to be a lot of immature folks pooping on other players to annoy them, or to trash them after they die, etc. Honestly just better to leave it out imo

[zealous stone]

I thought about it and implementing a bodily waste system like that could add a bit of a complication to AFK growing

You'd at the very least have to move else where to dispose of said waste away from you're camping spot, or move to another camping spot after you go.

It wouldn't completely solve the issue, but at least forces players to move a bit more

It would really just be another meter that forces them to move to manage

[faint folio]

@Vand#6666 although realistic, the issue with having bleed affect speed, attack speed and animation is that bleed is already really brutal-- bleed impacts stamina heavily which is SO important to fighting (no Stam, no high damage attacks like stego swing, teno kick/tail slam, carno charge, etc).

If it also affected speed and attack speed directly, Utah's and giga's (really all bleeders) would be exponentially stronger because it would mean they can directly affect their prey's ability to fight back and land hits

[faint folio]

@lone kite I think (someone please correct me if I am wrong) they're planning on adding more nest types in the future (bury and forget would be great once burrowing mechanic is added for example)

They currently have a bird nest design for ptera, a debris style nest for croc and carno, mound nests for teno, pachy, and Utah, a shell/scoop nest for hypsi... Not sure what a dryo nest looks like right now

[lone kite]

dryos is a mound nest like teno and pachy

personally i think the current rosters nesting system is fine with the exsception of dryo but that can be updated when they finnally get burrowing, saurapods could have the burry and forget though my only reasoning for that is cause its what they were depicted as when i was a kid though for anky i had an idea of a trench nest where the ankly diggs out a trench instead of building a mound

though that might be op for anky as it means u wouldnt be able to get under it to flip it

cause id be in a trench

[limber hull]

HE MADE ANOTHER POOP SUGGESTION

why does he call poop cute

[brittle night]

@viral finch You don't need a poop mechanic to add what it can bring to the game, there are many ways to include mechanics that leave some type of scent for other dinos to find, poop isn't necessary nor essential and it could be a bit weird for a lot of people, since the first time the devs said that they wanted to do something similar with a pee/poop mechanic the feedbacks channel were filled saying they didn't anything like that

[proud coral]

Maybe people need to accept the fact animals do that stuff and it doesn't HAVE to be weird

[limber hull]

i can accept that

but he keeps calling poop cute

and thats upsetting to me

[proud coral]

That is fair

[limber hull]

i have nothing against poop

but he has posted poop-based suggestions twice in a row

and both times he has called it cute

[faint folio]

it ain't that animals pooping is weird, its just that if it is implemented as a button to choose to go, people will for sure abuse it with poop jokes, literally shitting on people, etc to be trolly. If they want to make it so it just... happens and players dont get to choose where they go, then that make work

[proud coral]

True, true. Only issue I see with that is it happening at erm.....inopportune moments

[lone kite]

@viral finch you want your dinosaurs to poop go play ark

[brittle night]

True, i don't find it weird in any way, i prefer other mechanics that can interact more with the environment and could do the same effect as pooping, but if they were to add pooping i wouldn't care anyway

[pure quiver]

@obsidian island I have no idea how hard it would be to animate or program a latch mechanic to the combat system.
I mean... It's be very similar to the pounce mechanic, but with the distinct change that your legs are on the ground while connecting...

How would you animate that?
Would it require some kind of active IK system ON TOP of the latching and biting?
Would it need its own animations?
Can those anims be overlaid the IK and feel interactive enough to be "Immersive"?
What if the character walks into a tree or over a cliff?
Could the target be dragged over or back by those obstacles?
If so that'd be dope but also a freaking HEADACHE to program and have working smoothly. Sounds like a LOT of work

[obsidian island]

attach both jaw bones on the other dinos body or limb

[obsidian island]

the player biting can be dragged while being attached to the other player depending on the dinosaur's mass and weight the biting player would have alot of trouble resisting the other dinos movement

[obsidian island]

depending on the player biting, say like he doesnt move at all aka doesnt press any movement keys he wont do any damage he will just hang onto the body, but if he keeps pressing S for example to move backwards or doing that while holding shift he could rip out a chunk of flesh if enough force is applied

[obsidian island]

also depending on the angle the bite landed the jaw would be placed dynamically

[dusk meteor]

Well they were talking about the technical aspects not what it might look like and yes it'd be complicated.

Dragging a player around would make it even more complicated.
Dynamically placing the latch would be even more conplicated

I wouldn't say we're very likely to see those things integrated into a latch mechanic unless it's revisited heavily.

I'd say we're more likely to see something where the jaws will lock on at specific points and you're grounded in place while it plays an animation

At least in first pass, anyway

[obsidian island]

true

[pure quiver]

Also, for the unique colour after completing the tutorial, I thought of a cool metallic green! It's green so it blends in, but it's SHINY!

[ancient reef]

Hello, I had a player with racist behavior on EU 3, where can I report it to hope he has a penalty?

[sudden hinge]

@ancient reef how many pachys

[maiden anvil]

@ancient reef been there buddy… it’s awful to go down such way

[ancient reef]

I don't understand

[sudden hinge]

How many pachys were you fighting @ancient reef

[pure quiver]

Would reporting players be part of troubleshooting? lol

[dusk meteor]

I mean it doesn't really matter how many patches they fought, patches are scary in groups if they know what they're doing. And given that officials aren't body down they can keep wailing on you all they like lmao

And frankly Carno is designed as an ambush predator in the game, not a long distance runner, so it has less stamps, high speed.

[uneven mist]

Kinda wish carno would be more of a pursuit hunter instead of ambush because both allo and Alberto is also “designed” to ambush

[lone kite]

@viral finch the final hit i do think should be able to be done in a 1v5 cenario just because a pack of uthas jumping on a stego and one get the pounce that does the trick it would be kinda cool if either the one utha or the whole pack got an take down animation for their dinos

probally wouldnt be pratical as people could interupt it though

[viral finch]

Hello Nod, Of course. anything that looks cool but doesn't disturb the core gameplay would be nice.
Right now the only "dramatic" ending is the raptors hanging on stego's tail. But still, could be much better in a preanimated act (I think).

I think the more urgent fix is the "no loading screen" when logged in.
Kinda suck to see everything loading live (even dinos around).

[dusk meteor]

Half the problem with designing a pursuit predator for this game is that players don't generally run.

You can't panic a herd of teno, they will stand and fight because they're humans.

The only thing you can pursue are folks of less growth than you.

Therefore the most likely way things will resolve is that those who are intended to pursue over long distances will instead have exceptional tracking or have high stam regen

Tldr; because its a pvp game pursuit predation doesn't work like it does irl

[uneven mist]

Yeah, pursuit after smals like dryo Utah and so on and ambush teno, dibble, magy and herbies that weight class

[dusk meteor]

Well that just makes it an everything predator

And frankly everyone pursues dryos because they're so evasive, and if you don't catch the ambush on a utah you'll find yourself pursuing it.

Probably unsuccessfully.

Most predators irl are going to seek to get a good ambush regardless of hunting strategy. Carno has been laid out as more akin to a cheetah

But pursuit specialism, imo, is off the table.

I would like to see an endurance hunter buuuut those can rely on running too, and long standoffs to drain resources are hard in official since you're gonna get someone else running in and if it can't outstam it's intended prey... Well, they'd need to be careful balancing it.

I don't see anything working that requires a specialism into the prey running given the nature of the game

Not on a large and sustainable scale, Anyway

[uneven mist]

I mean..carno is also supposed to be a plains hunter so it makes zero sense that it’s a ambush predator and it’s “ambush” mechanic isn’t even that good because you need to run to use it, can’t turn for shite, everyone wil hear you coming and just move an inch

[viral finch]

--- @lone kite I'm just noticing all the mentions about poop here (lol)--- I didn't notice them, my apologizes:
Don't worry I understand the "poop" idea would suck (jokes on it) for a general goal. Thankfully I'm not in the developers group , I would add it. But I understand is not liked. I do appreciate to be able to say it, and it to be read (I tried)

[uneven mist]

And plus, making 3 animals all ambushers seems wrong, allo I see as a ambusher, carno pursuit/“ambush” and Alberto endurance

[dusk meteor]

Idkni don't have any problem playing Carno other than the hunger drain.

That said I guess the only way to get people to run would require some mechanic to encourage it like a fear state which debuffs your raw combat ability but buffs your ability to flee. But either how this community is they'd hate it lmao

[faint folio]

@lone kite burrows are coming 🙂 and the dev blog said that even dryos dodge was actively being tweaked to make it a little more helpful

So between the two I think dryo will be much more viable... Hopefully they add burrowing soon

[lone kite]

yea dryo is still alot of fun rn it just sucks to get in a chase and not be able to break it

also i said that i know burrowing is coming in my post

im just as stuborn as a dryo main (probally because i main dryo)

also its kinda a tradition for me now as ive been posting about dryos burrow for almost 2 years now

[viral finch]

Not a topic, but regarding this: I find Ark really awfull product lol.
Note did not take any mention baddly. Perceive me with joy, hopefully.

[lone kite]

oh yea it is an awfull product

id much rather play anything other than Ark

i was being facetious

[lone kite]

i personally think carnos hunger drain is fine givven how much carno players like to fight typicly

also posts about hunger drain should probally go in #balance-feedback

[viral finch]

Regarding carno, or carnis in general. I think just need to track the ai.
But I understand it will make people not to hunt players maybe.
So I'm not sure about how to balance that. (I think maybe, just spawn with higher satiety) Even, it does run out quickly.

Idk, I just main, Deino and Stego (yet) tried carno once, I enjoyed , But I can't tell with that enough.

[faint folio]

I mean, people will still hunt players because it's more fun than hunting AI, and especially if you don't bring back the mechanic where ai will spawn if you get hungry enough, eventually carnivores will need to hunt players

[viral finch]

Amen for that.
Whether the case, grasslands are not lacking of carnos, to say "people aren't liking it".
I do Agree Starve on him can be slower than now for the better.

[proud coral]

The danger call is the 4 call though 😮 I only remember Kissen talking about how some creatures sound less like "help me!" (eg; Dryo) and may use it more as a "DANGER HERE!" (eg; Tenonto). I don't think it was ever supposed to be a new thing.

[obsidian jetty]

I know I'm late to the party, sorry. ^^ But I kinda think it's, at least in part, the other way around. Carnos fight that much because they have to. And the carno hunger drain isn't really a balancing issue as in my opinion it currently completely changes the way the carno is played rather than just being about how well it does in the current environment and interactions with other dinos.
I feel like the current hunger drain (combined with people piling up around center/nw - herbis, you decide what parts of the map are populated ^^) forces the carno into a bruiser-type playstyle it's not designed for.
Imho a carno shouldn't have to yolo into 8 tenos, 3 pachys and a stego cuz it's gonna starve if it doesn't but be able to watch and wait for one of the pachys or tenos to run off alone to get water or food or something to pick it off, which oftentimes isn't an option cuz the carno will probably starve while waiting.

[maiden anvil]

Damn… people really don’t like any idea of droppings being in the game

[limber hull]

no

i just dont like the idea of getting a popup of what animal and how long ago it was made

having a text bubble full of this random info would seriously feel out of place

[maiden anvil]

Fine then

[zealous stone]

Could just have it work like corpses

You could just smell it's location

Maybe you could communicate how old it is by having it rot over time.

And size could vary based on the size of the creature

[urban flax]

If it's the same as corpses then it's useless
I have the same opinion as many people about the weird fascination that some people have about excrements, but in the context of a game like The Isle, they could (and should) provide a lot of information for tracking prey. Irl they're the best ay of finding traces of an animal's presence and to know how long ago it was there, it's age and health state.
Since The Isle already has a lot of sci-fi elements, I wouldn't mind some kind of holographic screen appearing to show the properties of a pile of excrements.

[zealous stone]

Not really, it means the location of the person who dropped is given away at the moment they drop it. Sure they can move, but that's also the whole point here. It adds a complication the AFK growing meta.

You're essentially dropping a beacon everytime you dispose of waste

Heck you can even add a short trail to it to show which direction they went, or design the model in a way that points in the direction they were facing at the time they went.

[runic steppe]

@solar salmon they are gonna be different lol

[limber hull]

@solar salmon Utahraptor and omniraptor are going to have different stats, attacks and toolsets. Omniraptor keeps its unrealistic playstyle, utahraptor will play like an actual utahraptor (no pounces)

[solar salmon]

They're literally the same

Omni is the same size as an accurate Utah

it's pointless

Kinda like having both Giga and Carchar as separate dinos.

[limber hull]

no it isn't tho

utah is bigger and serves an entirely different niche

[uneven mist]

The realistic Utah wil most likely be more damage based and a brawler while Omni is a bleeder that uses hit and run tactic’s and it’s current pounce. A realistic utah wouldn’t be able to pounce like our Omni does

[urban flax]

Omni's weight should be reduced as well when utah comes (or possibly sooner than that)

[uneven mist]

And the realistic Utah won’t be able to punch up as much as our Omni is

[trim mauve]

A niche that is taken by other playables already and get bullied by everything in the game due to it's abilities and just having a pin instead of a latch. Accurate Utah would also get run down by carnos and it's only option would be to try to juke it out, but with a bigger model and hitbox it makes it harder to pull that off. unless you wanna break accuracy to change that then you don't want accurate Utah you just want the accurate model.

[limber hull]

oh im not saying utah will be viable

but it's not a carbon copy of omni

[trim mauve]

True that

[gritty terrace]

@livid sage that isn't how cpus work lol

[livid sage]

Bruv intels GPUs not CPUs, and it does its just a process plus they aint released just yet

[solar salmon]

I guess if they change them up good enough to make them different then I'm okay with it but I just don't want the same kind of dino bc there are already so many planned creatures when we only have 100 player servers

[uneven mist]

Tbh, I wouldn’t mind if the realistic Utah got scrapped

[solar salmon]

Imo it would be better to just have realistic Utah as an option when clicking on Omni

Like a skin

[urban flax]

But then that wouldn't be realistic utah

That would be feathered omni

[uneven mist]

Omni and Utah I se as wery different from each other but I prefer I’m I more tbh

[icy lion]

@opal mirage #general-feedback-discussion message

[opal mirage]

My fault, never saw that.

[icy lion]

It's ok!

[solar salmon]

I mean realistic in terms of looks

[shell zephyr]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1027137904390197288
i feel like changing the opacity of chat messages can really add to immersion. you'll be able to see how far away each pack member is from opacity, and will have an idea of when you stop being in range .
obviously the rate at which opacity goes down will have to be worked on but ouuuu

[rare fractal]

They’d have to buff tf out of irl-tah to let it even hold a candle to Omni

[uneven mist]

I’d imagine Omni curve stomp Utah if it’s too realistic and by how Omni is currently

[rare fractal]

The fact that a singular Omni has the statistical capability to take a Carno down on its own is more than proof enough of that

[uneven mist]

Omni to Utah:

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-man-throw-out-trash-gif-14761446

[rare fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/doomsday-laser-beam-fire-laser-eyes-gif-14580020

[faint folio]

But... None of the Isle's dinos are truly realistic. And honestly... If they wanted they could tweak the anatomy and animations for the "realistic/feathered" pattern Utah if they wanted

Like they could remove pronated wrists

[icy lion]

@keen basin

[faint folio]

Bouncy birb

[uneven mist]

<@&401466542140817419> this feels a little suspicious

[trail brook]

My games messed up. In controls it says crouch twice and crouch is x and also left ctrl, night vision isn’t in my controls. But my herd has there’s working

[icy lion]

If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[brave cove]

<@&401466542140817419> #general-feedback

[trail brook]

Typing local app data, comes up with web searches nothing with folders or anything

[keen basin]

Oh I didn’t know we had one

[faint folio]

Open file explorer and type it into the white bar at the top

%LocalAppData%

[west agate]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sudden hinge]

@solar salmon you would think if the devs plan to make it a different animal that it wouldn’t play the same…

[viral finch]

Hellos guys, I just wanted to say Dryosaurus sucks. xd
Have a good day/night

[uneven mist]

@neon oak semi-confirmed sauropods: magyarosaurus, camarosaurus, brontosaurus, diplodocus, brachiarosaurus

[neon oak]

Yes I watched. 3 years ago

[glass mulch]

@viral finch you can aim the dryo dodge

[viral finch]

oh

[glass mulch]

hold ALT and press RMB, you'll go towards either left or right depending on where you are looking

[viral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-apologize-daniel-craig-james-bond-007-quantum-of-solace-gif-23603571

I deleted it

But still he isn't that fun tho

[neon oak]

Yey.. A world without sauropods is unthinkable. 😈

[viral finch]

amen

[neon oak]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-of-heaven-god-wills-it-knights-templar-god-gif-11058051

[viral finch]

haha

[uneven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/deus-vult-knight-weapons-dangerous-templar-gif-17265315

[neon oak]

😂 LOL

[cyan flame]

I don't think that's how it works anymore.

[glass mulch]

it worked for me last time I played it

[cyan flame]

Strange, didn't work for me after the change to the dodge, but maybe both the new and old version works then.

[icy lion]

@slim halo #general-feedback-discussion message

[slim halo]

?

[icy lion]

Read that

[slim halo]

ok

Why are u showing me phase 3 polls?

[faint folio]

It's not phase 3 polls. It's Punchpacket explaining that they do optimize the game, it's just a continual process.

The issue is program optimization is really finicky, and adding one mechanic can make the previous optimizations redundant or even counter productive depending on what exactly changes

[slim halo]

ok but the thingy took me to something about phase 3 polls

[faint folio]

Although I do think (with only circumstantial evidence) that the main 2 hits to performance are corpses/blood and map block loading. The former will probably get some optimization with the addition of gore (as it directly affects the corpse system) and the latter might change with the new map that's coming

[faint folio]

Scroll up a bit to his previous message 🙂 discord sometimes links messages weirdly, idk why

Or down works too it looks like, just skimming though

[slim halo]

it took me to something u said now

[faint folio]

Oof

[icy lion]

Aw man

[faint folio]

Here scroll to messages on 9/29/22

[icy lion]

Discord hates links sometimes

[faint folio]

In this channel

Yeah it really does

Ooh I've got an idea

[faint folio]

Here @slim halo

Did that work?

Sometimes the reply system is more reliable especially in the same channel

[slim halo]

it took me to something else again

Maybe Discord needs an update

[crystal trail]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[slim halo]

Bruh it's literally not working

Let me just search for it since discord tripping

Okay I see it now

I think atleast

[faint folio]

Oop Punch, sorry if I pinged you! Thought I had turned it off with the reply

[hollow vault]

Thoughts on my recent suggestion?

What generally inspired me was the cannibalism with Komodo dragons and their hatchlings

[faint folio]

@hasty dagger the hemotoxic venom is probably based on the properties of living monitor lizard venoms (including the komodo dragon)

[hasty dagger]

I know

I just don’t particularly care

[bleak birch]

@unreal ridge I don’t know if hypsi spit in the eye should knock things out of trees. When climbing and Herrera are added, Herrera would be one of Hypsi’s main predators. If hypsi spit in the eye could knock them down then a hypsi could repeatedly do that to a Herrera and literally deny it from climbing as well as on a tall enough tree, it would literally be a one shot kill ability. Not to mention the amount of griefing that would make Herrera extremely difficult to play even as an adult.

I think it would be more fair/balanced if it would just blind creatures and they couldn’t wipe it off while climbing. They’d have to climb back down or get to a branch before being able to wipe it off or they’d have to wait it out. Either would give the Hypsi more than enough time to escape

[faint folio]

Couldn't have said it better

[proven river]

@keen basin We already got Austro concept

[jade brook]

@icy lion i'm curious, how pertinents are "bumps" in the feedback? Are every post read? Or does it actually help visibility/promoting a post?

[icy lion]

I wouldn't know the answer to that

[jade brook]

alright thx

[faint folio]

@gritty terrace I agree. I guess they are going for the almost sway backed look some larger komodo dragons have when they walk? But its so exaggerated that it looks painful almost

[proven river]

No matter how useful they are, I'll always bump my suggestion until it gets read

[limber hull]

i really dont think that's necessary

[hollow vault]

My suggestion has went into the gutter

My idea was for megalania to be semi cannibalistic

With the cannibalism only targeted towards young

[urban flax]

I think constantly bumping your own suggestion makes it fall under the category of spamming
It's not different than reposting it every six hours, apart from the fact it's less convenient to read

[proven river]

Damn, ok yeah that makes sense, my bad mate

[urban flax]

On the other hand, chances are everyone has read it by now

[proven river]

[desert quarry]

@dire stag Not sure if someone pointed this out already but technically you can skim frogs. The only difference is you need to snap at them when you pass over them. But you can totally skim while doing that. That's how I catch frogs.

[gritty terrace]

yeah not a fan of it

[gritty terrace]

@tawny sage the one in the hope trailer looked obviously like a edited sub rex and I heard they changed the face to look less so

thats the only change I heard

[tawny sage]

There's a video that shows the model more clearly doing a few animations
I personally enjoyed the look of it so I just hope whatever it looks like now is still as awesome
Mainly I just hope they didn't change those huge claws
They were great

[uneven mist]

Eh i like it, i like that they made it look unique than just a big Dragon

[gritty terrace]

There are ways of doing that without making it not make sense

[uneven mist]

Like?

[gritty terrace]

I do not know too much about lizards but ik there would have been other creative liberties they could do

Literally anything but put a random tumor on its back

Also what's the issue with a giant comodo dragon

Still awesome either way

Hell deino is just an oversized gator and that is great

No reason to butcher something if it's fine by itself

[uneven mist]

I also think deino’s design is a little boring to, it’s just a big as gator (I know deino is a gator but still) I’ve seen amazing deinosuchus models that actually looks unique rather than just a big gator