suggestion-discussion

[blissful zealot]

elder is kinda like yippee five minutes of slightly faster wood cutting

[dusty oriole]

Elder is useful when you grow 10x Oak trees back at base and want to stock up on the finewood quicker 🙂

[rain snow]

they need a rework to if you ask me moder should get duratation buff
yagluth need to get to a effectivness level against those damn dverger mages
elder can be usefull but not usefull i saw a suggestion that elder could give health regenration buff

[dusty oriole]

Yag would give you a resistance to dverger mages as it is today doesnt it?

[blissful zealot]

I think that part reason for why everything else seems useless compared to bonemass is that since bonemass is relatively op, yet hes only the third boss, ive probably assumed the powers would scale accordingly. since they havent and bonemass is, atleast in my opinion, way above everything else, the baseline is sort of lower than that

[rain snow]

if you even have yagluth active have frost resistance potion even wolf armor chestplate and a cape that protect you against frost damage a dverger ice mage could kill you if he catches you off guard even for 2 or 3 seconds

[blissful zealot]

What horrid few sentences

[dusty oriole]

Bonemass is generally considered OP - no doubting that

[blissful zealot]

Yeah

So the rest feel underwhelming because the baseline is way lower

[rose swan]

Generally have meads to protect you from dvergr attacks. Especially since when you engage with them, it’s on your terms, generally speaking. I feel because of this, meads outperform Yags buff- since you can use your power a lot for an added advantage on top of your resistances.

[blissful zealot]

Yesh

[wanton atlas]

Lumah did a twitter post asking for peoples opinions on the boss powers a while back

[rain snow]

what was the players thought about it ?

[rose swan]

Depends on the player 🤔
But a lot felt Elder needed improvement, that was a pretty common consensus

And that bonesmass was far too powerful

[wanton atlas]

I am not Lumah, so I didn't read it or do any kind of write down peoples opinions

[rain snow]

to be honest if were Changed it i would
5.00 to 8.00 eikthr
Gives Elder extra specialty for example i think Mining buf should have comed around Elder not Queen
Bonesmass is okkey maybe even nerf ?
Moder 5.00 to 10.00
Yagluth Get higher Efectivnes
Queen maybe a Lower Cooldown
Fader i dont know i dont find it usefull except speedruns

[lofty wave]

If bonemass gave armor instead of damage modifiers it wouldn't be quite as powerful against stronger attacks

[stiff stag]

It's more on how useful/valuable the power itself is, not necessarily that it's op.

[rain snow]

but still its just my ideas it could mess up the whole game

[wanton atlas]

---------> #suggestions

stop telling me stuff

please

[rain snow]

smiffe can i ask something ?

[dusty oriole]

its his day off - just ask in the community (here) and we'll answer if we can

[rain snow]

İ saw people saying wrote down to suggestion and you said too i tought this channel was like discussing suggestions before writing random and preventing meaningless sugestions ?

[rose swan]

Nah, it’s my day off too, don’t ask me.
||kidding, of course 😁||

[rain snow]

İs Discussion means something else ?

[dusty oriole]

the suggestions get read - the discussions is just extra

[rain snow]

like what extra

[dusty oriole]

but you need the main suggestion logged

[dusty oriole]

people will comment on specific suggestions and that usually triggers extra conversation

[wanton atlas]

what ?

[rain snow]

still dont understand

[wanton atlas]

I am helping my 5 year old kid atm

[rain snow]

this is if you have time

[rain snow]

ahahah okey never mind thanks 😄 good luck

[quasi herald]

What do you guys think about mounts in Valheim? To me, it feels like one of those cases where the devs want to give us the option, but without really committing to it. Let me explain: you spend a good amount of time taming your first lox, and in the end, they end up being almost useless even in their own biome. Getting a lox to climb a mountain is a real struggle, and it’s not any easier in the swamp. Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a mount that doesn’t attack, doesn’t take damage, and maybe isn’t even that fast, but at least serves well for traveling around?
Or do you think it’s fine the way it is?

[rain snow]

after 1300 hours only used it once

[rose swan]

Hmm honestly kinda wish the lox saddle/riding skill were never introduced 👀

[rain snow]

no lie me to

[quasi herald]

I was playing without using portals, so I tried using them a bit, but I’ve already reactivated the portals.

[rain snow]

reasoneable choice

btw guys i made a huge suggestion :d any one wana check it out

[blissful zealot]

@rain snow why should root armor have a buff when wet

[rain snow]

it dose not need

just would be so interesting it litteraly fine like this i just find the idea so interesting

[languid ibex]

Multiple suggestions aren't a good idea tbh, makes it impossible to upvote 1 idea if you dislike the others.

[blissful zealot]

I like the battleaxe idea

It is such a nice weapon but oh, so redundant, which is why I hope we get some rly nice battleaxe in the deep north

[languid ibex]

You aren't supposed to reply to suggestions in #suggestions

Just upvote and discuss here.

[rain snow]

hmm

i just didnt wana send lots of maybe i send them seperatly

[blissful zealot]

it was also a suggestion on its own because he only spoke of changes made to them, i suggested a new axe entirely

Or I guess i didnt read his message properly

Either way i dont know if its that serious

[languid ibex]

It'll be deleted, just letting you know why.

[languid ibex]

This is far better for everyone.

[rain snow]

maybe i should send a one for weaopns 1 for armors 1 for boss rebalancement seperatly

[languid ibex]

All ideas should be separated.

[rain snow]

i dont understand my english is not good you mean do seperate or together

[languid ibex]

Separate

[rain snow]

okkey should i delete old one for not wasting space

[languid ibex]

Up to you

[rain snow]

its just felt disrecpective to other players who wana suggest and developers to constantly making suggestions

[languid ibex]

It serves the ideas better when you know what idea is disliked or liked. Voting on 9 ideas makes it unclear.

[rain snow]

yeah you are right about it

i think i am gona send each one individualy for clearty

[rain snow]

can i get a advice should i separete them by thing by thing or send a one for armors completaly ?

[languid ibex]

Each idea(thing by thing), grouping ideas has the same problem.

[rain snow]

okkey

thanks ❤️

[languid ibex]

Anytime 🤘

[rain snow]

looks like people dosent like the ideas anyway :d

root armor idea is coold but dont need it

i will not suggest that again

[languid ibex]

This is because you're always going to get more dislikes in grouped ideas, it only takes 1 idea they don't like to give down vote.

[rain snow]

and i think i delete the resons that explain why should be added its just unnecesary words that could just make the devs tired of reading i guess

[languid ibex]

I would also stay away from ideas like: "add more of this," or "make this better."

[rain snow]

Even smiffe disliked it come on that was rude :d

uhm

they voted troll armor variation down

[stone citrus]

🤔 Doesn't matter who/how many downvotes
it just matters that it's something you want and like

[rain snow]

:/

[stone citrus]

discord is a tiny minority

[rain snow]

just makes sad to be honest

[languid ibex]

A sample size is still a sample size.

[stone citrus]

eh, wouldn't think too much of it

[rain snow]

:d

[wanton atlas]

about 1% of the playerbase is on discord

[rain snow]

smiffie

[wanton atlas]

do I need to point out more rules for you?

[rain snow]

okkey :/

[wanton atlas]

time for you to learn that most channels have topics, and 📌 notes

usually a multi-post suggestion gets downvoted

[stone citrus]

also, where's yellow, would look much better for troll armor

red would look like a cultist from wish dot com

there we go

[rain snow]

ahahha 😄

[languid ibex]

Green and red makes sense because the starred variants are that color.

[quasi herald]

I don't know if the devs only consider suggestions from Discord, because we're definitely a minority here compared to Reddit, for example. I ran a poll there last week about magic, and out of 702 votes, 474 people think magic should be available earlier in the game (not necessarily my opinion). I believe that if something like that were suggested on Discord, most people would vote against it. There's a lot of disagreement depending on the platform. In any case, regardless of the number of votes, the devs are the only ones who truly have the full vision of what they want for the game.

[stone citrus]

A lot of very similar scenarios happen like this

plus, the downvotes here are usually the same dozen people anyway

[rain snow]

wha

[rain snow]

hahahahahhaha its feels like its have under meaning / deeper meanings

[stone citrus]

it's very surface level really

or rather, it's already known

[blissful zealot]

why's that though

[stone citrus]

so again, wouldn't pay too much mind to it

[rain snow]

i am assuming it could be disrespectfull

[blissful zealot]

if it's your opinion and you don't commit any offense by it, it isn't

theres things we like in this game and there's things we dislike in this game, like in every other game

its just criticism

[rain snow]

İ heard it could be sometimes stresfull to the indie game developers

[granite geyser]

@rain snow

#suggestions message

[rain snow]

oh

i didnt know that i am going to delete old one with so much suggestion on it

[wanton atlas]

stressful?

[sullen sequoia]

I mean, when people decide to make a game there’s going to be people/players who are going to cause stress. It’s just the nature of the thing.

[wanton atlas]

we can just read in #suggestions and ignore this chat 😄

but my collegues can just glance in suggestion to get a glimps on what people like and dislike

they don't have to read miles of discussions

[sullen sequoia]

And as big as Valheim has gotten, it just means more stress-inducing players but also more positive players too.

[wanton atlas]

well. just look on steam

94% overall, and rescent is 88%

[sullen sequoia]

Just show how much people love the game. 🙂

[wanton atlas]

this shows another game, when they make a bad turn

compare to valheim

[granite geyser]

there’s going to be people/players who are going to cause stress

yes, that's all of them

[wanton atlas]

the biggest stress-creating people are those who happens to trip over a few points in the #rules-and-info

[wanton atlas]

@candid folio and @blissful zealot under no circumstances, reply to someones suggestion in the #suggestions channel

[humble delta]

#suggestions message
You can also just have a smaller number of portals that you rename as needed, with one blank for emergencies.

[dusty oriole]

#suggestions message - personally I'd just like a tweak that starred mobs have a higher chance to drop their respective trophy...

[rare yacht]

That and you can have a wall full of signs with names of different locations which you can have on a map.
Or just have a massive portal hall

[rain snow]

to be honest i am using 3 or 4 portal and constatly changing their name acording to what i need but i still rather a Big Portal that solves the problem of Multiple portal maybe a portal made from Flametal at the end game that so expensive that you don't wana build more than 2 or 3 that have this ability and have the abillity to transport metals maybe even pets would be so cool i would love it

[rare yacht]

There's a stone portal for metal, or you can just turn the option off of portal items, which honestly is much better than the nonsense of "I can't portal an ingot, but I can portal a sword made of that ingot"

The old days was having a second game you'd take your inventory in, then pass metal through.
Gosh that was nuts. But its how The Iron Pass was born, a world I eventually moved to to build my castle.
I still have that Iron Pass cabin at spawn which was used to smuggle iron from the Swamp to my other world's base 😂

[rain snow]

ahhahahahahaha did the same and similiar things many times

still main idea is 1 portal to acses all

[rare yacht]

Its not really needed

[rain snow]

yeah usualy most things not needed like battleaxe balancment i can play the game without it but would be better

one of the most downloaded mod is target portal as i know people like it

[rare yacht]

🤷‍♀️

[rain snow]

it interested me

[lament zinc]

Sometimes I really wonder if people understand that the moment the devs start to give in to all the "wishes" made by the community that "should" be added to the game, the game becomes trash instead of a good one.

Some things are taken out of the game to avoid players using the same things over and over again.
If there were battle axes, sledges or fist weapons in each and every biome; players would just stick to these in each biome, but never experience what the other weapons would be like.

Same with portals:

When I started playing, there weren't world modifiers , meaning the only option I had was to transport ores by boat.
Then someone came up with the "Quantity of Laziness" mod to teleport ores and eventually the devs decided to add that to the game as an option. In a later biome they also added a new portal that makes it possible to teleport items through it. And the reason it's done in the late game, is because it isn't as game breaking as it's early game.
And somehow the part of the community that used that mod sees that as a victory, hence the "use multiple names to be added to portals" request keeps popping up.

Somehow people don't (want?? to) understand that some things break the game the way it's meant to be.
"Don't want to sail with items that can't be portalled?" Use a mod.
"Don't want to plant each crop individually?" Use a mod.
"Don't want to wait for a tool to harvest all in larger quantities?" Use a mod.
"Don't want to deal with the changing winds?" Use a mod.
"Don't want to think about what structural integrity does when building?" Use a mod.
"Don't want to spend 100's of hours from the start to the last boss?" Use mods to make the game that easy it's basically going to need 20 hours from start to Fader.

If people think that's how the game should be played, I wonder if they're really enjoying it, or if they just jumped on the bandwagon because the game was popular. And still is.

[teal hollow]

its both bcus i think it would be nice with weapons doing multiple damage types like that. and becuse im just a huge fromsoft and berserk fan so any excuse to just have a collosal greatsword that could both slice but also have the "weight" to do bludgening damage. Using guts dragonslayer in berserk as an example. His sword being so heavy even if a slice wouldnt kill you the shear impact would be like sending a 400kg lump of iron into your chest

[rain snow]

man i love valheim and sailing my metals for example but if you make them optinal options if you just dont have a time it can be deadly before i was just a kid who have lots of free time now i work and study for universty at the same time

[teal hollow]

and with Valheim having such an open design rn for fantasy ideas and vikings having the sterotpye of massive axes and such too i feel it would fit to have some massive weighted fantasy weapons

and considering theres muiltiple mods adding those things (even spesifclly guts sword haha) i think theres a desire for something like that too now

[rain snow]

so you want a greatsword huh 😄

[teal hollow]

maybe a warhammer "thunderstrike" or something being a ridiclusly big hammer

[rain snow]

i think devs have a great news for you :d

[rare yacht]

Yeah that, not everyone has 40 hours a week to dedicate to just transporting metal 😂

[teal hollow]

what have i missed now?

[rain snow]

:DDD

[rare yacht]

There's a giant hammer in the Mistlands called "Demolisher"

[rain snow]

you will see not just the demolisher 😄

[rare yacht]

Which other are you referring to?

[teal hollow]

but even bigger something borderline comedic

[rare yacht]

Demolisher is pretty comedic though 😂

[rain snow]

he said he likes bersek manga like swords :d

and he likes from softwares games great sword

[teal hollow]

im used to elden ring etc where it looks like ud fall over from the size 😂

[rain snow]

i think there is a thing that he likes a lot :d

[rare yacht]

I mean, the Slayer is pretty much that

Electric Slayer is just absolutely goated

[rain snow]

i think now he has a big motivation to get to mistlands :d

[rare yacht]

Slayer is in the Ashlands, but there's Krom in the Mistlands

Krom is pretty great and goes well on a wall after

[rain snow]

now i think about it i think i'll make Two handed weapons only run

[teal hollow]

its ashlands im yet to try. only thing ive not done in mistland is actually defeat mother bcus during prep time i stopped

[rare yacht]

You were at the Queen?

[teal hollow]

queen yes, not mother

[rain snow]

do you know about the Krom ?

[peak bronze]

So ||Slayer|| basically.

[rare yacht]

Mhm, I said that

[rain snow]

yeah

[teal hollow]

does slayer also do bludgening damage?

[rare yacht]

She's the best boss, in my opinion

[peak bronze]

No, all 2h swords deal slash.

[teal hollow]

yes. i giggled when i saw it bcus im a big conan fan

[rain snow]

oh you want 2 handed swords to do blunt damage to

[rare yacht]

I recommend the electric variant if you're looking to stagger and slow enemies

[rain snow]

😄

[teal hollow]

my suggestion was collosal weapons that would have xtra weight so they could do bludgening damage too "due to the weight"

[rain snow]

now i understand it

[peak bronze]

Some comedic big weapons like Elden Ring has?

Or other Souls likes.

[teal hollow]

to give late game an option to simplyfy travels to older areas so you can have a sword to fight both a Stone golem and (an enemy weak to slice)

[teal hollow]

exactly what i mean

[rare yacht]

Honestly, I massacre Golems with the Slayer

[teal hollow]

like Prelate's Inferno Crozier from ER

[peak bronze]

When you have Mistlands/Ashlands gear Golems are no issue anymore.

[teal hollow]

thats good then. suggestion still stands tho i feel. both for the fun of big weapons and practicality. the damage stuff is just a justifcation to get ridiclous weapons in Valheim too

chatting here is only time i apprecaite wind against me in the game, gives me time to type before land ohoy

[rain snow]

btw Tecnically you can use mistlands Tier Weapons and start again with highest difficulty

[rare yacht]

Considering the power of the Ashlands' weapons, the Deep North's will likely be "God like" if you ever bring those to a place like the Plains

[peak bronze]

I don't personally think Valheim needs those comedic weapons, while I agree with the fact more fist and battleaxe weapons would be most welcome addition. Hopeful that the combat update addresses to that.

[rain snow]

:d

[rare yacht]

Already the electric Slayer is killing it when I walk my plain areas, killing Fuling villages with ease on my own

[teal hollow]

combat update?

[rain snow]

what does comedic means btw ?

[rare yacht]

Like, funny

[peak bronze]

The latest blog in https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202150165449035816 revealed that we get combat focused smaller update before Deep North.

[rain snow]

oh he used it for like saying ridiculous ?

[teal hollow]

look up Prelate's Inferno Crozier. its a hammer from elden ring. or ruins greatsword

[peak bronze]

Comedic/ridiculous can be synonym.

[teal hollow]

to me those weapons are kinda ridiculous but still badass

[rare yacht]

Yeah, essentially

[rain snow]

funny enough but i didnt knew the word "snonym" too but understand its meaning human brain is so interesting

[teal hollow]

or in the elden ring dlc where a hammer is literally a giant anvil on a stick

[peak bronze]

Yeah, basically words with same meaning.

[teal hollow]

yes er is what i see as a the standard for combat/weapon stuff in games so its where i pull from

[rare yacht]

Meh, I like the fantasy designs of the late game weapons, but I don't think Valheim needs comedic weapons.
I don't know, wouldn't fit the tone of the game that much.

[lament zinc]

Mate, I got a full time job, demanding me to get up at 3.30AM and being home at 5.30PM.
I got to do my own cooking and house keeping; usually leaving me with 1-2 hours a day to spend on a game. A bit more in the weekends.
I still take the time to do a 2 hour sailing trip in Valheim, because in that two hours I can discover new biomes, PoI's, possible Vegvisirs or gather materials. I still do the farming the way it's meant to be, because it's relaxing to do so.
It's a game, not a racing simulation.
The game is set up to enjoy it by using the pace the devs have set up.
All those so-called QoL mods are just there so people don't need to think about how to do something. But what they don't understand is that these so called QoL mods not only break the game, but also break the pace of the game because the game's balance is disrupted. Up to a point where Valheim isn't Valheim as it's meant to be.

[rare yacht]

That's your opinion though, you spend your time like you want to

[teal hollow]

maybe not comedic was the right term but just something ridiclously big

[rare yacht]

We kinda got that already

[rain snow]

man i love valheim to be honest i agree with you but not agree with you at the same time its just basic human choices but you are litteraly right about its part of the game and not just sail for 20 exceppt farming :d i still hate planting 100 seed and things

[rain snow]

no suggestion was those weapon should do blunt too i think he is right

[rare yacht]

I'd love a planter, I've got fibromyalgia and clicking every 2 seconds to plant seeds does hurt my wrist over time.
Are you going to make fun of me because "Urbadurr I got a job"?

[rare yacht]

I'm aiming at the comedic aspect

[rain snow]

when its just Slash it feels a bit odd for a giant massive Greyling slayer

[rain snow]

oh sorry my bad

[rare yacht]

I've noticed this chat has a lot of "Acktually" people dunking on game modifiers and stuff.
Man, purists always are so naggy its wild

[mortal lichen]

Move on then

[rare yacht]

Make yourself play on very hard with 0.5 resources if you like, but damn paragraphs "acktually" is wild 🤓

[rain snow]

My english is not enough to understand that sentece madam

[rare yacht]

Nevermind, its just wild. 😂

[rain snow]

yeah i am not sure that making thinks harder or time consuming is the correct way to making a game more enjoyeable and i think Developers thinking same with us

[rare yacht]

The correct way is what the devs did; World modifiers, end of story.
You want a challenge? You can
You want less grinding? You can
You want no maps and no portals in a PVP Hell where players got 0.5 resources modifier and fight to death for equipments? You can

[mortal lichen]

You can now because of all the nagging, yes

[rare yacht]

Seems like a struck a nerve there, didn't I?

[rare yacht]

I'm not the one dunking paragraphs saying "I'm better because I got long hours and still play without modifiers"
That's just pathetic and your hostility toward me just reveals yourself as someone like that.
Just grow up a little, let people enjoy games as they like.
Anyway, moving on.

[rare yacht]

On the topic of suggestions, yes some blunt-slash weapons could be pretty cool with a huge Deep North Sword

[mortal lichen]

I meant the playerbase, not you specifically, wasn't being hostile lol

[lament zinc]

Where did I actually say that "I"m better"?

[rare yacht]

Your entire message. Either your social skills are very questionable or you lack self-awareness, but damn.

[lament zinc]

In that case I think your reading skills are questionable.
Which is fine with me, but don't say I said something I didn't say.

[rain snow]

maybe we shouldn't start a fight

[rare yacht]

Sure buddy, sure

[rare yacht]

Thank you darling, I forget there is a block button sometimes

[rain snow]

its just a game Thorin just want the game he loves stays as its essence

[rare yacht]

Then just play it without modifiers

Seems simple to me

[mortal lichen]

blocking for disagreeing, wild 🥲

[rain snow]

ahahahh funny didnt know the block buttons hides other users messages in discord servers

[rare yacht]

Not disagreeing, because little bro can't disagree politely
I'm all for debate, but when someone plays the "I'm better than you because I use no modifiers and I work long hours" its just weak

Ain't nobody got time for that

[mortal lichen]

He didn't say that

[peak bronze]

I don't think Thorin meant that either tbh.

[rare yacht]

It prevents them to interact with you too

[lament zinc]

Funny.
I never said I'm not using modifiers.
You draw conclusions of things I haven't said, then disagree with those conclusions and confront me with the conclusions I haven't said, claiming I disagree with you.

Oh well, no use typing this anyway, as it won't be read by the one who it's meant for.

[rare yacht]

Believe what you wish, I don't like his attitude, I'll live without seeing his interractions, its not that deep

Speaking of deep, can't wait for the Deep North! That new enemy thing looks adorable and creepy

[rain snow]

he was against the directly changing the main mechanic not against to making it optinal

[lament zinc]

I had to admit that for someone who claims he "isn't very good in the English language" as you pointed out a couple of days ago, you got a better understanding of what I meant as someone else.

My compliments!

[rain snow]

😄 thanks

[rare yacht]

At the end of the day, people will always modify games. A good modding community means the game stays alive.
I never modded Valheim because I enjoy it as it is, especially since the latest updates
Although I'll always defend the mods, because the longer a modding community is alive, the longer a game is kept alive and can be replayed with new added challenges, content, etc that will go beyond what the devs will do.
Probably one day once the game is finished and I cleared it, I'll download some mods to mess around and see special bosses, etc.
I doubt the devs will stray away from the original intent of Valheim, each updates have been embellishing the game rather than tarnishing it, which is something I love about the team; they work out good content and keep true to the original work by integrating it well.

[rain snow]

i understand it because god damn mojang ruining my childhood game anyway its not place to talk about other games

[lament zinc]

Ah, and there we have it.
Because I don't like the use of mods in this game, someone felt it as if I was attacking her personally because she creates mods.

[rain snow]

guys i think both of you don't talking about the sametopic

Thorin Talking about the Directly game updates
Omyyra talking about the mods

i am going its not looking like its gona end :d

[rare yacht]

Huh? I've blocked him, I ain't even talking and if I peek bro is saying I'm doing mods. I don't make mods. wtf

And I'm the one who don't understand English 😂
Suuuure 😂

[rain snow]

So it was my imagination that even funnier

[rare yacht]

I guess, I'm just confused at this point. 🤷‍♀️

[rain snow]

btw i think isnt %50 %50 a bit much

[rare yacht]

Maybe 25% Blunt 75% Slash or 50% + whatever other elemental damage it may do

[rain snow]

Maybe %65 to 35 could be more reasoneable

[rare yacht]

I'd keep space for elemental damages

With the Ashlands introducing gem mechanics, I presume the Deep North's weapons will also have upgrades with gems

[rain snow]

btw i wonder is there anyone have been suggested new gem stones i am sure devs already adding news

[rare yacht]

Probably in the Deep North if any

We'll see I guess!

[rain snow]

yeah still waiting a battleaxe with lightning or Frost just saying 😄

[rare yacht]

Would be cool!

[peak bronze]

My earlier suggestion: #suggestions message

And my latest sketch regarding to it: #fanart message

[rain snow]

you showed me that before i remember its so epic 🥹

[rose swan]

[rain snow]

btw i love raids but i hate some off them i wish there was a way to change raid pull some of them are funny when you first encounter it but later its just boring especialy like "you stired the cauldron" or "skeleton suprise" or "blobs" i am constantly getting those i have the end game gears they are not fun i litteraly want to get more of some raids like "They were bros man" or something else

i think i have a idea what if old raids difficulty levels are gets up as you killed bosses like after killing moder trolls starts getting stars and have 1 more troll maybe like
after bonemass 1 of them 1 star and total of 2 trolls

after moder 3 troll and 2 of them 1 star
after Yagluth 3 troll 3 of them 1 star
after queen 3 Troll 1 of them 2 star 2 of them 1 star
after Fader 2 of them 2 stars and 1 of them 1 star
that would be so much more interesting

maybe skeleton suprise at some point have only 1 or 2 star skeletons and 3 rancid remaains

and i kinda liked Yagluths army more than any of the raids

[rain snow]

when i think about it if the You Stired the cauldron event was special to halloween it could be interesting

[rain snow]

wow thats such a great idea maybe people woried about a dverger mage could end up destroying a base with a attack

[lament zinc]

The question is:

Why would a neutral faction raid the base(s) of someone who's basically trying to achieve the same thing they are:

Looting the Mistlands and Ashlands.
(defeating the bosses is only the means of that goal. Dvergr don't fight the bosses, only those who oppose them).

[rain snow]

there was a warning as i remember that we shoul not break the seal

[stone citrus]

🫖

[rain snow]

yeah but still after we kill the queen there is no reason to they worry about

but still we didnt listen their warnings

[lament zinc]

True. And they did that to all 3 Queens.

Yet, if the Queen is locked away, where do all the seekers come from? And why are the Dvergr fighting those and the ticks and the Gjall? While leaving us alone unless we try to take the sap extractor.

The Dvergr are the for two things only: Sap and soft tissue.
And thus I think they locked the Queens away to prevent her to spawn more off spring, which would make it harder for the Dvergr to collect the two things needed for magic.

So us breaking the seal and then killing the Queen may upset them at first, but after she's killed, the Dvergr would be happy she's gone.
Because it's a problem they don't have to deal with anymore.
And raiding the one who killed the Queen; while that person can be a potential ally too isn't the smartest thing to do, imho.

[rain snow]

about the seekers if you inspects the queens lair there is holes that seekers spawn during fight when she do a battlecry

i am assuming seekers are getting throu those little holes

[rain snow]

yeah i thinked the same think but it could be hard for developers maybe but it would be funny if you open the seal and dont kill queen a while then Dvergers raids start and end when you kill her

[rain snow]

lmao i wouldnt even dare to look at the viking that killed queen solo

[rain snow]

now i think about it a lot of people suggested that when we kill queen mist should go maybe a quest to kill all 3 queens then mist go that could be epic

[lament zinc]

While that may sound useful, what's the need for that?
Once we've reached and settled in Ashlands, most people don't visit Mistlands anymore, other than collecting sap, hare drops and the mushrooms.

[rain snow]

i usualy have trips i love mistlands

[stiff stag]

1.) The queen has nothing to do with the mist, that is a natural phenomenon of the biome/environment itself
2.) There are technically multiple queens but they are lore-wise the exact same one. There are only multiple so people don't have to potentially travel across the entire world to get to an altar

Hypothetically if a way to clear all of the mist was on the plate, the queen is not the way to go about it.

[wanton atlas]

Queen has adapted to the mist and see through it. but queen got nothing to do with it

[rain snow]

oh in lore wise there is only one queen i always wondered that

rusty woke up and chose violence :d

[rose swan]

Feel like it would be really odd if defeating the queen(s) removed mist 🤔

[rain snow]

yeah

[stark furnace]

Probably a hot take and a ♻️ 'd one but it'd be cool if the wisp light would be able to be upgraded when you have obtained the level 2 artisan table

[rain snow]

yeah a lot of people sugesting that too in my first play through i had a hard time too now i am pretty used to with it

[stark furnace]

🤷‍♂️ but i also really don't have a dog in the fight, i rarely use the wisplight anymore

[rain snow]

but still mistland is so beautiful

[rain snow]

wha howw

[stark furnace]

playing and mastering the game 👍

[rain snow]

owww mannn

[stark furnace]

only thing you really need is sound tbh, which speaks to the amazing sound design of valheim

[rain snow]

btw this is not the plays to chit chat wana get to valheim chat

[stiff stag]

I skip ahead to mistlands before fighting yagluth, so I'm used to running through practically blind.

[rain snow]

are you guys speedrunner or something its just to risky for me

[stiff stag]

I only do so for building materials.

[granite geyser]

Probably a joke suggestion, those don't last long

[rain snow]

ahahhaha

[rain snow]

never underestimate a builder they say

[wanton atlas]

or someone who only played medows and don't know the further you play, the less "world like it" valheim becomes

[rain snow]

i wonder why people didn't like the idea of old raids getting harder

[granite geyser]

raids suck in general, they should improve them before doing literally anything else about them in the first place, especially having the same raids but "harder"

[stark furnace]

maybe the combat update addresses them 🤔

[rain snow]

dont know i like them now there is a option to close them

[granite geyser]

my problem is not their difficulty, it's the fact that they're boring and an annoyance. I disable them because they are disappointing, not because they're remotely difficult.

It's because you can easily kite away enemies and make any thought process on putting defenses completely worthless because of the dumb AI that makes the whole system terrible. Thinking that they are difficult in any way is just funny

that's why i don't understand the point of wasting time to make moats or earth walls, as if raids were a danger in the first place

[rose swan]

I 1000% agree, wish I I could react with a bigger

I build walls and defenses 1% for mobs, 99% for decoration

[rain snow]

yeah thats what i am talking about i am usualy wont make a defense except protecting my boars

i love fighting i still remeber my friends called me to hop in valheim quick we are under attack of 2 trolls

it was such a funny moment for us i still miss it ;")

[wanton atlas]

not afaik

[mellow crater]

It is dangerous if you built your tower around a tree and the wall may not be far enough to block a troll log

ah, and it is dangerous if you go outside your walls and fight.

[wanton atlas]

bugs and issues with the current combat are focus. and also adding new things.
but not to many re-works of current things to be honest

remember this is something we do on the side, while also working on deep north as our main task

[mellow crater]

quite logical, good raids are in games that are about raids which is not the case of Valheim. We are the raiders actually.

[wanton atlas]

personally I don't find any problems with raids. they can be quite anoying and dangerous at the start of a biome progression, and abit to easy in the end of the progression. but how would the game knows, what level to put it on?

your gear you have on you? time spent in biome?
so many things we could have as markers, but a marker is just a way to cheeze also

like you unlock the bronze axe, so the game then knows you're ready for more challanging combat. so the result would be that players avoids making the bronze axe

so a win but not really since people would then start to play not as intended to avoid things

[rain snow]

yeah i remember i avoided killing elder just for not get raided by trolls for a bit but now the game have no raids mechanic

[wanton atlas]

exactly

you activly avoid doing something, to prevent something

[peak bronze]

One small pet peeve in raids IMO is that they are sudden: maybe small timer with a warning message like "Something is approaching" would give slight time to prepare against them.

[lofty wave]

I always get raids as soon as I log in and don't have time to rest

[rain snow]

but there was no option to stop raids before

[wanton atlas]

oh no. it's ment to be a suprise your going to die now, moment 🤔

not a "in 30 minutes, your base are going to be raided. so better go sleep, get rested buff, make some food etc etc"

you're suppose to be cought with your pants down

[rain snow]

😄

[lofty wave]

Maybe if you should have been raided but just logged in, it gets a short, hidden delay so this doesn't happen

[peak bronze]

I mean, like 1 minute or 30 sec warning beforehand would be reasonable, not expecting 30 minutes long warning.

[wanton atlas]

but then next person wants 2 minutes 30 seconds. someone wants 5

😦

[rain snow]

i feelt the pain of a being game dev in one sentence damn

[lofty wave]

It only takes 20 seconds to rest, that's all it needs

[stark furnace]

I wouldn't even go for a timer or text, I'd make it more subtle, make it so there's distant sounds of a wraith for the chilled down spine, little chirps of seekers etc

[rain snow]

ow thats a great idea to be honest

[chrome anchor]

imo I think it is again the "we are use to it" thing. I mean now we find it easy because we have done it a lot of time, but for new players it's still as hard as before 🤷‍♀️

[rain snow]

no i mean now you can completly close it by modifiers

[chrome anchor]

we are not force to tho

[rain snow]

i was trying to meant that and raids are bad but not just bad funny too

[chrome anchor]

🤔 I think I don't perfectly get your point, but no matter ^^

[rain snow]

i just like raids and fighting trying to find a excuse too see more starred enemies without raising the diffuculty completaly and i like spesific raids and tried to suggest maybe making other raids like those too :d

[chrome anchor]

I get that ^^

[rain snow]

i think i have a better suggestion

[quasi herald]

Speaking of spiders, does anyone know why they didn't appear in the Mistlands? Was it mentioned in an interview or here on Discord?

[peak bronze]

Change in original plans, iirc.

[rain snow]

guys did anyone suggested adding star level modifer directly.

i didnt see in suggest but i am sure it suggested before i saw lots of people using mods that do this job

[chrome anchor]

maybe to spare arachnophobic players ?

[granite geyser]

it's not about whether you are skilled or not, or whether you have powerful gear or not.

It's about making raids engaging, make them feel like the threat they are SUPPOSED to be. the way they are designed right now allows it for you to just kite them away from your base and run around. There, so much for "make you feel in danger even at home". And that's on top of the AI pathfinding issues, I haven seen enemies refusing to reach me because the stairs i specifically placed to make it easier FOR THEM were like 0.00001m above the ground

right now people make moats and earth walls because they just like wasting time, as they are absolutely not necessary. if raids were more dangerous like i'd like them to be they would be much better justified

[chrome anchor]

maybe it's just about to not make overpowered defenses... if doing so it's like people make raids easy by themselves 🤷‍♀️ you can see my base on the last screenshot, I'll not add any more defense and I just had 2 trolls event, I can tell you it was annoying even if I'm use to this game 🤷‍♀️

if you want your game to be more difficult, maybe it starts by not doing to much OP defenses

[granite geyser]

isn't the point of raids to encourage you to make OP defenses? there are literally defense build pieces for that purpose

[rain snow]

i am litteraly usualy not even using wooden wall i just wanted starred enemies :/

[chrome anchor]

What I mean is, if what you want is being in difficulties by raids, maybe you can take the initiative to not make OP defenses in order to keep raids a little harder

[mellow crater]

I don't want to know the raid is coming before

[chrome anchor]

This game is well made in the fact that you can chose how to play it, if you want it to be difficult, make it so

[mellow crater]

I'd like to be able to spot enemies on their way before, if I look in the good direction or travel by the same road before, but having a pop-up "raid in 30sec" doesn't make sense to me

[rain snow]

.

i think i am gona suggest that if no one did

am i writing "gona" word wrong

[chrome anchor]

I think so 🤔

[rain snow]

it feels like it but translator says other wise

[long glacier]

Gonna

[rain snow]

ohhh

thanks O7 O/

hmm maybe i should suggest a one for the optinal starred raids now that would be more reasoneable

and not mess up other players game

[autumn idol]

This is also an issue with the current raids though- once you realize that new enemies spawn in once you kill the current ones then the "optimal" way to deal with raids becomes to kite them around your base until the timer runs out.

I'd personally prefer for raids to encourage players to fight the enemies

I know there probably isn't an easy solution for any of this but I would like to see raids changed up somehow

[rain snow]

yeah new hildir raids doing that great i am killing brenna as fast as posibble just to get a 2 brenna head from 1 raid 😄

[rose swan]

Would be interesting if raids were conquered once X amount of enemies were defeated 🤔

[rain snow]

thats a great idea

[peak bronze]

I think that option would be better than set timer where running around or staying behind walls and moat in your base until the time is up.

[rain snow]

yeah

[granite geyser]

so not using the defensive options they implemented for us to use?

they could also just... make raids better instead of us not... properly using the means to defense ourselves

[granite geyser]

precisely this.

and encourage you to build defenses to more effectively kill the enemies in order to stop the raid

[chrome anchor]

There is a difference between posting about 10 ballista alla round your base and a ballista each 2 meters, that's what I meant

using the defenses we have but not OP them if we don't want the game to be to much easy

[stark furnace]

ballistas as raid defence

[chrome anchor]

that's my opinion anyway 🤷‍♀️

[chrome anchor]

idk honestly I've never used them, I just wanted to have an example ^^'

I mean, same goes with a trench, we are not forced to dig one ^^'

but again, that's just my opinion that I share without intended to force it (not sure about this sentence, but no matter if you get what I mean ^^')

My point is, having defensive structure doesn't mean we have to overuse them and then make it all easy

using a light defense just in order to help to keep more or less difficulty

by the way @stark furnace would you mind explaining why not using ballistas as raid defense ? Real question, as I said I've never used them

[rain snow]

they are litteraly shooting you

[chrome anchor]

oh XD

[stark furnace]

not even that it's just that they're bad

[chrome anchor]

now I understand XD

[stark furnace]

miss the easiest of targets, can't really aim up or down etc

[chrome anchor]

then what's the interest of using them ?

[stark furnace]

good question

[rain snow]

only thing they succesfully shooted until now is my 2 star boar :/

[chrome anchor]

oh boar 😢

[rain snow]

btw its a joke never happened something like this it was just a joke

[granite geyser]

I don't.

That's the problem, I don't spam ballistae around my entire perimeter...

And raids are still awful. I said above that I have seen enemies NOT climbing up stairs that I specifically placed to make it easier for them to reach me because it was like 0.00001m above ground apparently.

It literally does not matter whether I spam defenses or not, the problem is raids being terrible alongside a dumb AI.

The point is that we SHOULD NEED to build effective defenses in order to survive. Not relying on just barely doing anything and done, you won the raid

Imagine a mechanic that is meant to feel threatening and a danger to you and your base feeling more like a bad joke because of how terrible its execution is.

As I said earlier, I disable raids not because they're even remotely difficult, but because they are disappointing. It's the fact that they are so laughably easy that makes them bad

[rain snow]

yeah its usualy not fun only raids that exiting usualy army raids or hildir

my still favorite They Were Bros Man.

and you what the horde again maybe horde is attacking ? Yaglutsh army

i am constantly getting that damn bat raid that i could not see anyother raids at this point

[chrome anchor]

I get it, maybe it's my playthrough that is different and make that I don't have this issue, I'm doing each boss a little early after entering a biome and then unlock next raids, even if I don't have the good stuff to face it ^^'

[rain snow]

i was usualy spawning boss when i can and run for fun and uhm how to say

[blissful zealot]

Seems like no one likes camping and chilling by the fire while roasting marshmallows on a stick

[rain snow]

hmm

people liked the most ideas but didnt like the idea of giving a modifier to raids

[blissful zealot]

Would give another purpose to just sitting around

[rain snow]

now i am with you man i voted it up for you :d

4 down votes insane :d

[blissful zealot]

Lowkey yea

[rain snow]

My orginal raid idea got 9 down votes now i realized

i wonder how is colored troll armor doing

not doing good apperantly ahahahhaha

i dont understand why people dont like the colored troll armor

[chrome anchor]

maybe there will be a modifier some day 🤷‍♀️ but as we can see just modify it for all the game is probably not that easy, there is Rianu for who raids are too broken, me that don't have any issue, and there are some others that already find the game too hard...

I think that it's hard to deal with this kind of question ^^'

[rain snow]

oh people didnt liked the giving +10 knifes to troll armor too but liked equaly too i realy wonder some of the thing why piss of peoples

i think colored troll armor was a cute idea :/

i am sad for the guy who suggested adding rng stuff he realy tried and got 22 down votes :d

[rose swan]

This one I would downvote twice if I could- adding that level of RNG to crafting would make for a painful experince- and I’m the guy who likes RNG

[rain snow]

btw i hate rng too never lucky with it to be honest it was even enjoyeable seeing valheim comminty litteraly said NO

[peak bronze]

If I wanted to hunt gear based by RNG I'd play Terraria tbh.

[rose swan]

Godly Zenith

[rain snow]

wait i was planing to buy terraria in next sales its a rng based game :/

[peak bronze]

Terraria is good game, but sometimes you need pray RNGsus a lot to get certain items for upgrades.

I can recommend that game.

[sick breach]

Customizable colours on capes, shields, and banners get unlocked as you progress through the tech tree, rewarding you for your advancement. Colourable troll capes would make the linen capes completely pointless as you would have already had customizable capes since black forest.

Not to mention colouring something works best when it's an absorbent material and already a neutral colour, so troll hide is an unlikely thing to make dyable clothes out of.

[sick breach]

Troll Armor already has an established set bonus that works well with Knives specifically, and given that knives are already one of the most overpowered weapon types (low build cost, crazy fast attack cycle = high dps, chitin knife is great through 3 biomes, can one-shot large enemies) people probably saw this as a completely unnecessary and unwarranted buff.

As a general rule suggestions that are essentially "make equipment work better than it does" or "make mechanics easier" won't do well if they're not addressing the issue of game progression or difficulty.

If you suggest adding a buff to an already overpowered weapon, people won't just go "Oh man, that would make my character way better, which is good!" and upvote. They'll more likely go "Oh, that would make weapon choice way too simple, trivialize the difficulty of that biome AND invalidate the next upgrade, thereby reducing the need to engage with the next biome's mechanics" and downvote.

Games need to have problems and difficulties for the player to engage in solving, and as a way to reward progress.

[languid ibex]

Your estimation seems to err on the side of relying on people to have decent logic for game design philosophy. 😅 Not to say it doesn't happen, it's just not exactly common.

[wanton atlas]

mew?

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message It's not actual gifts from Thor, it's literally the items in the obliterator being fried into coal by the lightning that strikes it. What's mentioned in game is nothing more than flavor text.

[wanton atlas]

it also might be yet another scam by haldor 👀

[little obsidian]

I like how actualy useful and quality of life suggestions get down voted

[rose swan]

Like which ones? 🤔

[granite geyser]

"the ones i specifically like (they are the best ones obviously)"

[little obsidian]

No the ones that would genuinely be useful and make people say "Oh thats really helpful and neat"

[rose swan]

Can you provide an example?

[gritty ore]

I can tell high voted suggestions r the ones who people find it useful and they like it and low voted ones r useless or just doesnt make any sense

[rain snow]

:d

[rain snow]

yeah you are right about the linen cape part i just saw a mod before about a black troll armor variant i loved it

[rain snow]

yeah a bit

[rain snow]

:d i love op stuffs

[rain snow]

yeah

[rain snow]

well when i think about it there is a lot of items that being better than his counterparts

its a pve game at the end

[stone citrus]

If they can come up with a way to make no-map way of playing casually, it would be peak

[mortal lichen]

QoL is subjective

[little obsidian]

I think we all agree on some things

[mortal lichen]

Still no example though

[little obsidian]

Doesn't mean we can't agree on QoL

[mortal lichen]

How do we know what we agree on then

[little obsidian]

What makes me wanna give examples when nearly everything gets downvoted as a suggestion? Even if it is genuinely helpful and useful things to players

[mortal lichen]

..But how are we supposed to know which ones you mean? What you find QoL and helpful might not be to others

[peak bronze]

There is no voting in discussion channel.

[little obsidian]

Maybe not

[languid ibex]

Evidently not. 😅

[little obsidian]

Maybe, but a few things i've thought of, were posted already and downvoted heavily

[gritty ore]

Someone got downvoted cuz he want the wolf skewer name to get changed and thats completely pointless

[stone citrus]

Things like sorting, search bar, one click insert all in furnace, etc
These are mind-blowing usually

[gritty ore]

Search bar is useful ngl

[languid ibex]

Your last suggestion was a multi-suggestion, which always gets down voted. You also suggested that stamina isn't used while building, and you don't need to use a workbench for the hoe, two VERY abusable suggestions.

[stone citrus]

We got one step in the right direction which was hold e to stack into chest

[gritty ore]

But since there is staions for each items so not needed

[stone citrus]

That was a good QoL change

[gritty ore]

What qol mean sry

[peak bronze]

Quality of Life.

[gritty ore]

Ah ok ty

[mortal lichen]

an excuse to be lazy

[stone citrus]

Idk man
Pressing E 50 times on a windmill isn't hardwork

[languid ibex]

When people call no fuel mods QoL 🤣

[mortal lichen]

Holding E isn't either

[stone citrus]

That's what we want

[gritty ore]

U can hold e and it fill fast

[stone citrus]

That's 100% what I want

[languid ibex]

Lanterns exist.

[gritty ore]

20% slower than spam clicking

[mortal lichen]

Hence why i said QoL is subjective and we're not all one big entity to agree on what's helpful and wha'ts not

[stone citrus]

They're pretty good aren't they

No fuel lanterns, so nice

That's QoL
Want it for everything else, mod most likely

[gritty ore]

They dont light a lot like torches i just like them as a door decoration

[gritty ore]

Will make it ez

[stone citrus]

But that's the funny part usually
"I want torches to require fuel"
Opts in for lanterns cus they need no fuel
Oxymoron

[stone citrus]

especially for me

[mortal lichen]

It's about the visual not refuling, they look different

[stone citrus]

Not from what I read over the years

All these alternatives

[gritty ore]

Is suggestions channel even useful xd i read a lot of old messages high voted suggestions but nothing ingame

[mortal lichen]

We got some "qol" thanks to this channel

[gritty ore]

Like what

[languid ibex]

Plenty are in-game, you failed to read all the suggestions. 😅

[peak bronze]

Quickstack and snap points if my memory serves correct.

[gritty ore]

Did go so far to oldest messages maybe only messages befor 2 or 3 months

[stone citrus]

Portaling metals
Resource modifiers

[peak bronze]

True, world modifiers alltogether.

[gritty ore]

Hmmmm nah not so old messages XD then its mb

[stone citrus]

Too bad the history is all gone

[mortal lichen]

a lot of them are gone from the nuke too

[peak bronze]

There were lots of suggestions but they were purged when hack happened.

[stone citrus]

And my 150 upvoted suggestion is gone

[gritty ore]

I remember when there was no snap it just made building so ez

[peak bronze]

Yeah, snap points is one of my favorite QoLs in game, another one is quickstacking.

[gritty ore]

What hack i just joined server like week ago

[gritty ore]

Hold e on chest ? Yea thats also so good

[peak bronze]

It happened last year February.

Many channels were purged, suggestions being one of the victims.

[gritty ore]

150 reaction or 150 suggestions ? XD

[stone citrus]

Reaction

ZERO downvotes
Not even from the bot, because that was before Odin bot

[gritty ore]

Ah okay

[stone citrus]

Although I'll take full credit for the ♻️ reaction

[gritty ore]

I have 0 down votes on my suggestions rn cuz i guess everyone wanted them but didnt ask

The recycling reaction i dont understand it

[stone citrus]

Suggested before

[gritty ore]

Aaaaah okay

[stone citrus]

It's good to show that many people suggested
I'd say it's more powerful than an upvote

[peak bronze]

Try suggesting "horses" and you get tons of recycled votes.

[gritty ore]

Hehe the whole server asked for it before i guess

[stone citrus]

It ultimately means a LOT of people wanted them
I don't

[languid ibex]

Stolen discord valor 🤣

[gritty ore]

I dont like the horses idea anyway

[lofty wave]

Loxes are better, horses would be pointless ❤️

[peak bronze]

Yeah it is suggested many times and even devs are against the idea.

[gritty ore]

Maybe tameable hare , deer ? Anyone suggested it before ?

[languid ibex]

Not every animal in Valheim should be from Midgard anyways

[stone citrus]

Youre already lightning fast
You'd cross a whole continent with a horse in 2 seconds

[lofty wave]

Both have been suggested before

[peak bronze]

Although I think it is also stated that if devs like some ideas they may add them regardless if they are upvoted or downvoted highly.

[gritty ore]

XD i dont even love the idea of tameable hare just some friend asked for it

[stone citrus]

Boo taming
Boooo

[lofty wave]

It would be impossible to trap them anywhere

[gritty ore]

Harpooooooooon

[peak bronze]

Could possibly kill.

[gritty ore]

Maybe they do a bait like droping carots into a hare trap

[stone citrus]

But long story short
QoL nice

The only thing left is for toomuchdogg to finish building the dvergr stake walls around the base and time it

[gritty ore]

Harpoon doesnt have backstab bonus damage no ?

[peak bronze]

I admit quickstacking to nearby chests in other games have been nice feature, but I think it's fine we don't have that in Valheim.

[stone citrus]

And magic chests, my god they're a blessing

[gritty ore]

I guess i will suggest the deer raiser cuz it looked sooo good and fun on the april fool trailer who's with me xd

[stone citrus]

Neutral for me
Don't hate it don't love it

[peak bronze]

I think it doesn't, but hares have very little hp.

[peak bronze]

Deer raiser is basically reskinned dead raiser, meant for joking during April's fool and not for serious idea.

[gritty ore]

It barely kills a neck so i guess it will not kill hare if u dont have spear skills on high level

[peak bronze]

Hence could possibly.

[gritty ore]

I thought its april fool but really added and haldor,deer gameplay are just unbelieveable

Also the shotgun i was like wtf the deers already gets oneshotted why we got a weapon that deals more damage to them

[peak bronze]

For lols.

[languid ibex]

Me standing in a village of raised deer: This is my boomstick.

[gritty ore]

#suggestions message i dont really know what u mean but if u r talking about fog and mist there is command for them

Or r u talking about that little cloud of smoke that comes out when u build something

@peak bronze huh i think u r way far from the idea

[peak bronze]

Read too fast so I was mistaken.

[gritty ore]

The blueprint idea feels a bit good

[peak bronze]

I saw it was a feature in other survival game.

[gritty ore]

I always go to creative world and test before building in the server or in my other world

[gritty ore]

Like the forest ?

[peak bronze]

The newest RuneScape.

[gritty ore]

Dragon wilds i didnt play it and didnt see anything about it i saw the quality and some houses screenshots

Thats all

[stone citrus]

The blueprint mode is incredible and great for group play

[gritty ore]

I only know the forest u design ur house then u get the resources and put everything there

[gritty ore]

Ye its like that ward or something ?

[stone citrus]

But Dragonwilds overall was so mid and not RuneScapey at all

[stone citrus]

You build without materials
And then when you get the materials, you go to it and press E to finish it

[peak bronze]

Haven't played it by myself but saw the SpazzyGames' video of 6 features in RS Dragonwilds better than in Valheim.

[gritty ore]

Yes i knew it

[stone citrus]

It's so damn good to have
Although it gets super confusing when the build is big and see through

[languid ibex]

The game SCUM also has a blueprint system that works very well.

[stone citrus]

And another thing is a skill that makes you view an area while flying
Astral vision, super useful, limited to like 10m

[gritty ore]

I only love the roof pieces in that game xd and everything on it i can confirm that it copied from valheim with just better quality

[peak bronze]

Aka flying building camera mod.

[gritty ore]

Is building on it like valheim it has to be stable ?

[stone citrus]

I'd prefer more if the whole build gets one cost at the end based on what you've built
I think that's a mod in valheim

[stone citrus]

Yes

Although it doesn't have grace periods
If it's unstable, you won't be allowed to put things on it like valheim
Valheim gives you like 10seconds
And sometimes feels like a whole minute before it collapses

[gritty ore]

Enshrouded is like minecraft xd if u know lets game it out and watched his videos ull be laughing for an entire hour he fked up enshrouded , valheim and raft and every game he plays

[stone citrus]

Enshrouded is more like Minecraft yes
No structural stability needed
But you build in blocks which makes the possibilities ENDLESS

[gritty ore]

Thats when u buil fast but when u put stone wall it breaks instantly

[stone citrus]

I absolutely love building there way more

[stone citrus]

Yeah, in Dragonwilds, you're just prevented from doing that
In valheim you can place pieces and support them afterwards

[gritty ore]

Search on youtube "valheim lets game it out " watch the video if u dont know it u r missing a lot

[gritty ore]

Ye i understand u now

Just went to check his channel he also played runescapes im gonna watch that

[stone citrus]

What a disappointment that game was
Fun, but bad

"it's early access"
No, it's bad, the ideas are lacking, bad use of source material

[gritty ore]

I dont know much about it i just know that its copied from valheim same style and quality just a little bit better or maybe i only saw its starting looks like valheim meadow exactly XD

[wanton atlas]

just run past everything in that game

[stone citrus]

I rarely put negative review on steam
Dragonwilds got one

[languid ibex]

I wonder if world events were ever considered for Valheim, like floods or earthquakes

[gritty ore]

Spending 2 working days to collect and build a huge base then an earthquake destroy it all

[languid ibex]

I was thinking just some select trees falling on their own tbh 😄

[gritty ore]

Good point but still has disadventages

[nova badger]

Hello Devs, I would like to make a suggestion of a difficulty mode, called Ivar the boneless where you spawn without legs and have to crawl around the map

hacking at ankles

[rose swan]

Had me in the first half 😂

[peak bronze]

The other half at least.

[quasi herald]

A mount would not need to be much faster than the character; it could have a speed equal to or even lower than what the Fenris armor provides. It also would not need to deal heavy damage but should be effective or at least less ineffective than others when it comes to climbing a mountain, for example.

What I do not understand is why some things are offered to players just to say they were offered, since they have no practical use, like riding the Lox and Askvins, which die easily in their biomes.

I even thought about suggesting a mount summoning item, but since magic in Valheim basically depends on consuming Eitr, that would push characters to be mages unless that item had a limited number of daily charges and was rechargeable to serve that purpose.

But at the end of the day, I think no one really cares about mounts in Valheim anyway.

[stone citrus]

I dislike the idea of mounts personally, I never ride loxes/askvins either

I'm playing Monster hunter wilds at the moment, I believe the Seikret mount makes the game so much worse

[peak bronze]

I like the idea of being able to ride through lava but that's it.

[quasi herald]

Mounts are more valuable for players who play without portals, but even so, they're still not worth the investment.

[peak bronze]

Otherwise getting starred asksvin farm makes sure you never run out of asksvin tails and hides.

[stone citrus]

but don't continents feel too small for mounts? idk

[quasi herald]

I think it depends on the seed. When I was playing without portals, I sometimes used the lox to get to certain places, but a lox outside the Meadows and Black Forest is just a matter of time before it gets killed.

[rose swan]

Is a lox faster than a player using ratatoskr? 🤔
Generally, Lox riding just seems like a waste to me? Guess it’s useful for transporting them? But even then… keeping tamed Lox is a bit of a nightmare imo 😅

And then you have the logistics of managing their HP, finding a place to ‘park’ them while exploring, etc. so much to worry about haha

[quasi herald]

Yeah, animals freak out at every little noise. There's no peace in the swamp. If you try going through the mountain, you have to clear the whole path so it can climb, and it's way too big to handle uneven terrain. Plus, there are all the trees in the way. Then you think, 'Alright, I'll go through the plains.' But it only takes two deathsquitos and a few fulings to send it straight to the grave.

I'm not sure if the main concern with mounts like the lox is the fact that they attack. But maybe they should stay neutral toward the creatures in their own biome, and those creatures should do the same toward them. I don't know if that would be the right approach, but it's an idea.

Or at least the non-intelligent creatures, also known as deathsquitos(i guess), or at least allow us to apply repellent on the lox.

[rose swan]

I just really don’t think on a foundational level, Valheim is great for mounts 🤔
I remember back before riding was introduced, it was an a extremely common suggestion… and now that it’s here, not many seem to care for it all that much 😅

Not entirely sure what the expectations were- mounts (in my experience) are best when the game has them as a sort of ‘major’ feature.

[quasi herald]

Yes, I think it’s partly because it takes a long time to get the mount in the game, it’s a hassle to tame them, the animals are disposable, they have poor handling, and portals cover the need for transportation. You only need to go to place X once, set up the portal, and never go back.

[dusty oriole]

If you want to play a game with mounts - go play ARK.

I like there isnt really any mounts. The few we have are very weak - and thats good - because if they were decent - you would almost be forced to use them.

Vikings are known for ships and axes... the game focuses on this specific playstyle, and adding decent mounts would change its feel far too much...

[quasi herald]

As it is, it would actually be better if they removed it.

[stark furnace]

Nah, player is much much faster

Only enemy in the game that can outpace you is the queens charge

And even then that’s a short burst

[wanton atlas]

@feral osprey do you mean the smoke-puffs that comes when you place down things?

[feral osprey]

Yes

[peak bronze]

@fiery moat my suggestion from some time ago: #suggestions message

[stone citrus]

the puffs sometimes are so annoying

[sullen sequoia]

Are merch suggestions allowed in suggestion chat?

[rose swan]

If they’re serious, they never get shot down or anything, they’re generally ok as far as I know 🤔

[sullen sequoia]

I’ll admit what i have in mind can probably be custom made but I’d rather support official if I can.

[granite geyser]

idk what use would it have

[lapis sluice]

Any news on adding the ability to move character when in inventory for controller players?

I imagine as a toggleable option under gamepad in options

[granite geyser]

no

[pale drum]

#suggestions message The armor in #news is widely speculated to be plains light armor

[granite geyser]

speculated

keyword

[sullen sequoia]

Throwing the idea out there and see if would be something folks would want.

The rules don’t particularly say merch ideas is or isn’t allowed but this discord is for the game itself so, that’s why I’m asking. Hopefully Smiffle will let me know

[granite geyser]

it's not about whether is allowed or not, it's whether it would accomplish anything or not.

if you want to suggest something about the merch store then why not contacting the merch store itself?

[rain snow]

hi guys how are you :d

[rain snow]

man i am litteraly dying for more fuling berserkers i could even beg them to add this idea i have litteraly suggested more raids and raid system rework just for experiencing more enemies like fuling berserkers :/

[stiff stag]

The skull on the shoulder pad of the upcoming new armor set doesn't seem to resemble the head of any existing entity in the game. My personal speculation there assuming it is a plains light armor is that perhaps new skeletal remains will be added in the bottom of tar pits that will be used in crafting it.

Would definitely make it more interesting than just only being based on using lox fur like it's usually suggested to be.

[keen mortar]

#suggestions message I think a Fu-loin-g cloth would be a better fit for Plains light armor

[wanton atlas]

I don't see why not 🤔

[weak gate]

We need a pretzel and sausage food

[mortal lichen]

Nah

[pale drum]

That seems more German than Norse to me

[little obsidian]

Yes please pretzels, we have flour

[peak bronze]

We already have sausages.

[weak gate]

But not pretzels

[pale drum]

Hot dog when

[peak bronze]

Already having 1/2 of them is a win.

[rain snow]

i still want more berserkirs

:d

[quasi herald]

Maybe a different kind of hammer or tool to dismantle carts, boats, catapults, and similar things.

[lofty wave]

Why should it be a separate item?

[quasi herald]

I used it as the equivalent of a butcher's knife.

[stiff stag]

As in a separate tool so you don't accidentally tear down a ship (while you're riding it) using the hammer?

[quasi herald]

Yes, I could be wrong, but before the butcher's knife, we sometimes killed our own wolves while attacking enemies. In fact, when we tamed wolves and boars, they were attacked by our wolves. Or is that just my imagination?

[finite vapor]

Can we not just allow regular hammer to deconstruct boats and have an "are you sure?" prompt?

[autumn idol]

That would make more sense than creating a new item for it

[little obsidian]

God no not another tool. the deconstruct ability is already built into the hammer

[gritty ore]

a second hammer for boats and carts XD

[quasi herald]

It would definitely be more practical, but if they didn’t include that in the hammer from the start, there was probably a reason for it. So I’m not sure they would just implement it now. Besides, I think confirmation screens would break the immersion.

[rose swan]

Hmm hate to be the nitpicker here, but although I like the idea? I’ve always hated popup prompts, if that makes sense? Feels super ‘gamey’ to me. What if instead, holding down the demolish button for say 3 seconds would deconstruct the boat/cart? Silly nitpick I know, but I think it would be better than a menu perhaps 🤔

[stiff stag]

Perhaps it takes longer depending on how large the object is (still just in terms of carts/boats/etc., not normal build pieces), and could even have a small progress bar added somewhere so the player can gauge when it will finish.

[quartz totem]

We need a workbench to build it. So that would be great to dismantle it with a progress bar. 3 seconds seems fair.

[fiery moat]

We onto something 🥹

[stark furnace]

Would fit in nicely with the already established hold E to stack items feature

[fiery moat]

Berserkers are so fun to fight!
Prior to Ashlands it was like the only enemy who was somewhat satisfying to beat. :D

[fiery moat]

@rose swan i feel like it is to encourage PVP style as well. Let's say two or three teams are playing on the same map, Valheim doesn't have a team/guild system, and so random players won't sneak onto or around your ship and deconstruct it. They HAVE to battle at sea or attack when you're at port.

All Structures that can be taken out of the ward have this property. (I think)

Maybe Servers can have an additional PVP checkbox to allow for hammer destruction like @stiff stag suggests

@blissful zealot marshmallows wouldn't be very possible unless one of the NPCs sell it to us 🥹

[stiff stag]

I never mentioned anything that would have to do with PvP, just a progress bar showing how far along the deconstruction is.

[fiery moat]

But let's say there was someone playing PVP, it could affect gameplay. You could just sail beside them and slowly deconstruct someone else's boat while your "Pvp mode" is off.

Damage to deconstruct kind of prevents that from happening

[languid ibex]

Deconstructing with a prompt or progress bar is getting into the time range of just breaking it down anyways...

Progress bar = hp left 😅

[fiery moat]

Big brain 🧠

[stark furnace]

What game are you playing where it takes 3 seconds to kill a longship?

Because sign me UP man

[finite vapor]

🤙

[stark furnace]

🤙

[granite geyser]

an unintended way of playing shouldn't be considered a reason to not implement a feature.

they could allow hammers to instantly deconstruct vehicles, "but pvp players' experience would be harmed" isn't valid considering the game is not and will not be pvp

[rare yacht]

Unless you make it so deconstructing a ship, cart, or bathering ram can be disabled via world modifiers so its just not an issue for PVP worlds.

Also there should be a way to force PVP in world modifiers, but it also warns you if a server has that. That way you can have servers where its absolute conflict

[eternal storm]

... or there's a gameplay reason for vehicles not being easy to put in your pocket and it's good it stays that way. I really don't know, and I have no horses on this race.

[rare yacht]

To be honest, I don't either. Bashing the bathering ram to pieces with my friends was kinda funny as we invade a series of castles like a bunch of greedy vikings seeking flametal and gems

[stiff stag]

Perhaps it has to do with the crates that drop from them, which can be used as extra storage space on travels. It would become far more exploitable if you could break down carts/boats instantly for that purpose. At the end of the day though it's all speculation. Only the developers know for sure what the reason is (and yeah, there has to be some good reason for it, otherwise it just feels like a needless time waster for the sake of it).

[languid ibex]

What? Pretty sure I didn't mention how long it takes specifically, just that if the deconstructing is going to take a certain time period or have a prompt you will read, you're nearing the same time spent anyways. Never spoke to exact timing anywhere.

[stark furnace]

Deconstructing with a prompt or progress bar is getting into the time range of just breaking it down anyways

[languid ibex]

Time range = nonspecific.

[stark furnace]

Direct comparison to something that is measurable

[languid ibex]

Suppose you just don't understand my point.

[stark furnace]

No, you directly compared the one thing to another, which implies they are similar to eachother, when they are in fact not (pretty large difference in time and you implied they'd be the same).

[languid ibex]

TIme spent deconstructing and.. time spent deconstructing are similar yes.

[stark furnace]

There's a huge difference between 3 seconds and 15 seconds

[languid ibex]

Also, nothing was compared, I was making a point that a safety measure when deconstructing being behind a timer is nearing the way it works already.

Right, where did I say 3 seconds though?

[stark furnace]

3 seconds was the proposed time to deconstruct, I'd assume you're following the conversation and the context but that might be a leap of faith that I should not have assumed

[languid ibex]

That was a proposed time, others proposed a text prompt and just a deconstruction period in general.

So that people wouldn't strand themselves in the ocean by accident.

[stark furnace]

Most recent suggestion was a proposed time 🙂

And that was the current context of the conversation 👍

[languid ibex]

That's great you've applied the most recent context, I was speaking to the idea as a whole and the discussion surrounding it.

[stark furnace]

I like how you pretend it also takes more or less than 3 seconds to click on a prompt

[languid ibex]

Where did I mention 3 seconds are you having a laugh?

Deconstructing with a prompt or progress bar
This is a very generalized statement.

No time mentioned at all alright.

[stark furnace]

hahah you're leaving out context

[languid ibex]

No I'm highlighting what you're clearly overlooking.

[stark furnace]

is getting into the time range of just breaking it down anyways

Lol man

[languid ibex]

Okay? Again, no timeframes mentioned, just the idea of time spent not being very different than the fact that it already requires time spent.

[stark furnace]

That sentence makes a direct comparison, and you're trying to say that it doesn't

[languid ibex]

You're so crossed up over literally nothing.

[stark furnace]

I'm not crossed up over anything?

[languid ibex]

Well you're failing to acknowledge the point I was making and continue to mention times that I didn't.

[stark furnace]

Well the point you're making also compared two things to another, when they are very different

[languid ibex]

I never once compared anything is the best part, I simply mentioned you're coming close to the time it takes already.

[stark furnace]

How how how is 3 seconds close to 15 seconds

[languid ibex]

For the 4th time, where did I mentioned 3 seconds.

[stone citrus]

Breaking ships for materials is stupid

[languid ibex]

Also, I just broke a ship in 8 seconds.

[stone citrus]

It's just lazy design

[stark furnace]

Depends on what stage you're in in how long it takes the ship to go down

[languid ibex]

Exactly why I never gave a number in the first place.

[stark furnace]

Look at the context of the conversation dude

[languid ibex]

Thank you for pointing that out.

[stark furnace]

makes a direct comparison Guys I never made a direct comparsion!

Insanity

[languid ibex]

You'll be alright champ, it's alright if you don't understand.

[stark furnace]

It's aight I'll live in a world where comparisons mean something based by facts and evidence

[languid ibex]

Quote me the comparison.

[stark furnace]

For like the sixth time, Deconstructing with a prompt or progress bar is getting into the time range of just breaking it down anyways...

That is a comparison dude holy hell

[languid ibex]

What did I compare? Where's any variables present there?

[stark furnace]

You compared, breaking a ship down, to a prompt or progress bar

[stone citrus]

Is the prompt bar 8 seconds?

[stark furnace]

The phrase "is getting into the time range of" suggests that the first method (using a prompt/progress bar) is taking about the same amount of time as the second method (just breaking it down manually).

Maybe rewrite it for clarity? 🙂

[stark furnace]

In the context of the discussion it's 3

[stone citrus]

Then it's not in the time range

[languid ibex]

That's really not a comparison at all, that's like saying "I'm getting close to home" and "I'm at home" are a comparison of distance away from home.

It's just a relative statement describing the time.

[stark furnace]

Your analogy doesn’t hold because you’re comparing two descriptions of proximity, not two competing methods. The original sentence is like saying ‘Using GPS takes almost as long as guessing the route’ which is absolutely a comparison of efficiency. If you don’t see that, you’re missing the point

[stone citrus]

I don't see either analogies 😹
All I know is that breaking a boat and deconstructing would not be close in time at all

[languid ibex]

It does but you're just refusing to see what's right in front of you for some reason. (Variable+X)+(Relative+Y) one isn't being measured directly, the other has a relative time assigned to it based in your progression. Nothing is being compared, the only point being made is that the time spent is already part of the logic of how it works currently.

[languid ibex]

Well, it's hard to say because there's no official implementation, only speculation about it.

[stark furnace]

You’re overcomplicating this to avoid admitting the obvious. The sentence literally places two methods in relation to each other based on time, that’s a comparison by definition. Your Variable + Relative distinction is meaningless because both are being measured against the same thing: time spent. If you argue that one is relative to progression, you’re still comparing it to an expected baseline (which is the manual method). This is just plain old English.

[stiff stag]

Pretty sure Omni is referring to what I mentioned earlier, at least that's the only way their arguments here make any sense.

[languid ibex]

Sorry brother, you've lost the plot and won't take the person describing what they mean in multiple clear ways, sorry to have wasted our time.

[languid ibex]

This among other people speaking about it yes, that's why I spoke generally.

[stark furnace]

Yea so that's just bad faith, "you just don't get me" and ignores the linguistic truth

[languid ibex]

That's ironic beyond belief to be honest.

[stone citrus]

This has had too little to do with the concept
Too much to do with you two people

[languid ibex]

Sorry had to see if Scales just misunderstood me or was having a laugh.

Carry on

[stark furnace]

Calling something ironic beyond belief isn’t an argument, it’s a deflection 😂 . If you can’t engage with the actual structure of the sentence (which objectively compares two methods by time), then you’re just dodging. Either explain why ‘X is approaching Y’s time’ isn’t a comparison, or admit you’re just throwing rhetorical smoke bombs to avoid conceding. Until then, irony is just a fancy word for I’ve got nothing.

[languid ibex]

You've been deflected, I'm not getting through, you've made that clear, I refuse to continue trying to clarify meaningless points outside of the topic.

[stark furnace]

🤣 Ah, the classic ‘I’m not deflecting, you’re deflecting!’ while actively deflecting. Bravo. When you’re ready to explain why comparing two timeframes isn’t a comparison, I’ll be here 🙂

[languid ibex]

Literally read, I'm saying yes you have been deflected.

[stark furnace]

Still ready for you to explain why comparing two timeframes isn't a comparison 🕰️

[languid ibex]

You got your answer and said no thank you.

It's not that deep, it's off-topic, and I'm kinda done trying to explain basic things.

[stark furnace]

Your "answer" was never an answer, it was just you repeating nuh uh while dodging the actual question at hand. If you could explain why two timeframes ins't a comparison, you would have. Instead you've spent this time refusing to engage. In what world is "I said so a rebuttal?"

[languid ibex]

If that's what you read than damn I truly wasted my time.

[long glacier]

This is where 3 seconds was mentioned if anyone is wondering

[languid ibex]

Notice it's not my message 🤣

[stark furnace]

Spinning in rhetorical circles instead of simply admitting that 'X takes as long as Y' is, in fact, a comparison. You've now spent more energy avoiding the point than it would have taken to just say 'okay, fine, it's technically a comparison.

[languid ibex]

You are still fighting to win nothing and it's crazy.

[long glacier]

I was not implied that it was your message, it was assumed that everyone had read previous messages and was going off of those

[stark furnace]

The only thing crazy here is you pretending this was ever about winning, when you're the one who couldn't let a basic observation go through without turning in into semantic nonsense. If acknowledging that ‘X is as slow as Y’ is a comparison feels like ‘losing’ to you, that says more about your ego than my arguments.

[stone citrus]

This is absolutely about winning at this point

[languid ibex]

Life goes on it really does, if you can't understand that someone speaking about something getting close to achieving the same logic that's already present(like the close to home example), then there's nothing more I can do for you here.

[stone citrus]

I just want to not break my ships

[languid ibex]

Don't worry your ships breaking isn't real it can't hurt you.

[stone citrus]

And better yet
Half the materials when breaking manually

[stark furnace]

Hey P.S. as a guy who studies comparisons a lot, the close to home analogy is garbage, Distance to destination is a singular measurement, a comparison of two methods is relational. And the final retreat of someone who knows they've lost, pretending the other person jsut doesn't understand 😂 , while offering zero substantive clarification.

[stone citrus]

"pick up the ship" never sounded good in multiplayer

[languid ibex]

Yeah not reading whatever that crashout is.

[long glacier]

Not reading your opponent’s points isn’t a great way to go about discussing things

[stark furnace]

Translation: I have no rebuttal, so i'll pretend your argument isn't worth reading

[stone citrus]

There's nothing to discuss!

[languid ibex]

I won't lie, it took me sometime to realize I had to break it to pick it up, my friends and I when Valheim first came out figured they were meant to be permanent. 😅

[stone citrus]

The groundwork is laid out
You said something
You said something

It will just sit there

[languid ibex]

I've been telling them I'm not discussing further for a while now, glad it's working out.

[finite vapor]

I dont understand this stupid drama, if you arent going to hear each other out why type or argue in the first place?

[languid ibex]

For real.

[stark furnace]

I'd like a world for comparisons to actually have meaning

[long glacier]

Then why are you still sending messages?

[stone citrus]

What would be funny is that if someone said
Because...

And started another tangent

[languid ibex]

Absolutely hasn't mentioned the point I was making once, and crashed out on comparisons for some reason.

[languid ibex]

Why would I stop?

[finite vapor]

Be the bigger person?

[languid ibex]

I have been, I've told them I'm done with the discussion about 3 times now.

[stone citrus]

That is true

[languid ibex]

Now I'm just speaking on the topic broadly.

Oh wow I'm pregnant.

[blissful zealot]

Obviosly you aren’t cause you keep replying without saying anything

[blissful maple]

It was meant as a kindness

[languid ibex]

My replies are literally just telling them I'm done, and I'm not reading their messages... huh

[long glacier]

Because you said you were done with the discussion, yet you continue to participate in the discussion

[blissful maple]

Don't back down Omni

[long glacier]

Just stop sending messages if you want to leave the discussion

[languid ibex]

The discussion around comparisons and the point I was making, yes.

[blissful maple]

Fight them Omni!

[languid ibex]

But I'm chillin

[blissful zealot]

Thatd be nice lowkey

[blissful maple]

What is the even about, where do I start reading if I have nothing better to do

[languid ibex]

#suggestion-discussion message Wires got crossed here for some reason, but it starts a bit further back to be fair.

Go nuts 🔩

[stone citrus]

Tl;Dr
Deconstructing ships
Nice or not nice?

[languid ibex]

I wouldn't mind a deconstruct tbh, but only if no one's manning the ship, or maybe even on it.

[blissful maple]

Deconstruction is a human right

[stone citrus]

I'd say, breaking ships should result in half the resources
And have an alternative to get all materials

[languid ibex]

Maybe middle click could work, but it'd just take like 10% of the HP away

So you'd have to rapid click to deconstruct fully.

[stone citrus]

Middle click should have been what it is
But it's not good enough

Same thing with fixing the ship
Very cheesy

[blissful zealot]

Sure you didnt give a specific time but why would you say something like

You’re nearing the same time anyways

and then say you never compared anything

[blissful maple]

Maybe we call it even and make the deconstruct button just turn the ship into a litle figurine that can be put inside a bottle? Right?

[stone citrus]

Well yeah the ship is already entirely in your inventory anyway
But that's not fun either

[languid ibex]

Because it's not a comparison, no time is being compared or even said to be a better option in any way, it's just highlighting that the logic being suggested is already present.

[stone citrus]

I'd say to explore the possibility of having the ship separated from the workbench

[blissful zealot]

I thought it was still a comparison even if its not ”x is better than y” but ”x is similar to y” or something

[stark furnace]

Saying 'You're nearing the same time anyways' is objectively a comparison

you're evaluating two timeframes in relation to each other

[languid ibex]

But in this case x and y have no concrete variables and you can only speak to the logic of how it works.

[blissful zealot]

But, again, you yourself said that they’re similar, which makes it a comparison

[stark furnace]

This is like saying these two invisible things are almost the same size, but no, I’m not comparing them. If the variables are so undefined that you can’t compare them, then your original observation was pointless. If they can be compared, then you did. Pick one.

[blissful zealot]

If there are two identical things and you say they are identical, you’re still drawing parallels and comparing

[stone citrus]

What's the endgame here

[stark furnace]

For someone to learn how comparisons work

[stiff stag]

Getting all of the infinity stones.

[languid ibex]

It's really not because again, there's no defined definition for how close anything is, only how close the logic is. Theoretically decsontruction could be 30 seconds and the point I'm making is the same, you're coming close to the same logic, not the same variables.

Only the outcome can be similar, not the variables.

[stark furnace]

If there’s no defined definition for how close anything is, then your entire premise is meaningless

[languid ibex]

The meaning wasn't where you were looking that's all.

[blissful zealot]

It doesnt matter what the variables are, saying A is almost like B is still a comparison

[languid ibex]

You assigned 3 seconds to what I said and table flipped.

[long glacier]

Then you’re comparing the outcomes

[languid ibex]

No, it's really like saying A+B = C, but A+B already = C.

[stark furnace]

Here is a comparison without any time values assigned, how are you gonna wiggle out of this one?

You’re nearing the same time anyways

[languid ibex]

C being time spent.

A very generalized and undefined point.

[stone citrus]

A pulley as a replacement for workbench

[blissful zealot]

What about B

[languid ibex]

What about it?

[blissful zealot]

Your equation thing muddies things more than it clarifies

[languid ibex]

What about B?

[blissful zealot]

Or did you mean by that that two things are kinda the same

[blissful zealot]

When you said this

[languid ibex]

I mean that I'm only speaking to the end result, not comparing how anything is achieved or any variables within that.

[blissful zealot]

I see

But it doesnt get you off the hook of making a comparison

[stone citrus]

Off the hook 👀
An interrogation?

[languid ibex]

Hey that's great, if there's a comparison to be made anywhere that'd be up to someone else I suppose.

I'm truly not comparing anything with what I'd said.

[blissful zealot]

”End of process A = End of process B” is a comparison

[stone citrus]

Arrest

[languid ibex]

Only speaking to the fact that the logic remains the same.

In both cases, no comparisons made, only acknowledgement that there's nothing to compare.

Time spent = time spent.

[blissful zealot]

That the boat ends up being destroyed anyway, and that it still takes some time to destroy the boat no matter which way you do it?

[languid ibex]

No variations to compare in what I'd said, just time spent = time spent.

[blissful zealot]

So youre comparing end states

[long glacier]

= is a comparison

[blissful zealot]

I was about to say that

[stark furnace]

Equals by definition is a comparison

[languid ibex]

There's nothing to compare, it's the exact same result.

[stark furnace]

If two things are equal, they are being compared to eachother, still.

[blissful zealot]

Yeah but 1 is the same as 1 is you comparing

[languid ibex]

That's kinda nuts, the moon = the moon isn't a comparison.

[long glacier]

The results are being compared and have been found to be equal

[languid ibex]

Only to explain how it isn't in this context.

[blissful zealot]

Well, it is but trivially

[languid ibex]

Trivially is definitely the word I'd use for that yes.

[blissful zealot]

Thats why i said it

[languid ibex]

You can get caught up on exacting definitions, but the point is lost along the way.

[long glacier]

The moon is 1 object, this is 2 equations that evaluate to the same result. Comparing the amount of rock in a collection of 4 1/4 moon sized rocks and a collection of 8 1/8 moon sized rocks would be more applicable

[blissful zealot]

This situation isnt really the same as the moon thing, because youre talking about the outcomes of two different processes being the same rather than pointing at a floating rock

[languid ibex]

The processes aren't mentioned by me very deliberately for that reason.

[stark furnace]

You’re nearing the same time anyways

[languid ibex]

End result, not a process.

[blissful zealot]

Didnt you start the whole thing by saying that doing it one way versus doing it the other way leads to a similar outcome anyway?

[stark furnace]

An end result can still very much be a comparison lol, You’re nearing the same time, you’re comparing two processes approaching the same endpoint.

[languid ibex]

No, I only mentioned that you're getting close to the same result, nothing versus another, there's no variables solid enough to even do that, and I'd have to speak to theorized variables like the 3 seconds.

[languid ibex]

A trivial comparison, that's like arguing that I'm using grammar.

Sure it's present, but far from what the point being made is.

[stark furnace]

By your logic, "We tied in the race" wouldn’t be a comparison because it’s an "end result." That’s absurd

[languid ibex]

Getting crossed up on a comparison I never made and inputting time variables I never mentioned had nothing to do with the point being made.

To be clear I'm talking about the 3 vs 15 second comparison Scales made earlier, not a broad comparison.

[stark furnace]

1. You said "nearing the same time" - which inherently compares two temporal states

2. When challenged, you retreated to "it's just about logic" while ignoring that same requires comparison by definition.

[languid ibex]

Oh god he's numbering points.

[stark furnace]

3. Now you're claiming "I never mentioned time variables", despite your original statement being explicitly about time.

[languid ibex]

Great, but did you understand what I meant?

Yes, there's no variables mentioned, correct.

[stark furnace]

Either defend why "same" doesn't compare things or admit you misspoke

[languid ibex]

This is what it's about for you and it's crazy 😅

[stark furnace]

No, what's actually crazy is you using the word same (a comparison term) then insisting no comparison was made, and now pretending that I'm unreasonable for pointing out this contradiction.

[languid ibex]

Not knowing that I was talking about the fact that ultimately you'll be spending time to destroy your ship in both scenarios, and you yourself writing out times as if it's even remotely what I was referring to is your own choice.

[stark furnace]

You're still missing out on the core issue. Your original statement was inherently comparative. Now you're backtracking, claiming you never mentioned time variables, yet same time explicitly references time.

[languid ibex]

Getting close isn't a definitive variable in the slightest, close can be 1 universe away to 1 foot away, it's relative.

In this case it's referring to getting close to the same logic already used.

Which isn't a comparison, it's the same, exact same. Identical logic.

[stark furnace]

Close is relative, but it's still comparative. Eg. One universe away vs 1 foot away is still a comparison. Just a different Scales 😏 . You can't have it both ways, either close has enough meaning to justify your claim (making it a comparison), or it's so vague that your statement was pointless (then why even say it). All comparisons are relative. Saying X is close to Y is a comparison by definition, whether you like it or not. If it's the exact same identical logic, then your original phrasing (nearing the same time) was misleading at best, because identical things don't near each other they are each other.

[languid ibex]

There he goes, not reading again.

In this case it's referring to getting close to the same logic already used.

[blissful zealot]

[stark furnace]

The irony of you quoting, getting close to the same logic, while denying it's a comparison is priceless.

[languid ibex]

Not referring to the amount of time spent, just the idea of spending time.

[stiff stag]

The goal of the idea isn't to change the overall logic, it's to change the means/process to make it more user friendly, reasonable (e.g. using the appropriate tool to deconstruct the object as opposed to whaling on it like a madman until it breaks), etc.

[languid ibex]

I mean, to be fair, I use an axe to decontruct things all the time.

[blissful zealot]

i dont think this convo bears much fruit anymore

🐻

[languid ibex]

Oh agreed, I mostly just wanted to clarify when you were curious, but Scales was lurking so I thought I'd give it another go.

[stone citrus]

It wasn't going to when it restarted

[blissful zealot]

fair

[blissful zealot]

I like the idea or a bloodstone buff

Cause right now it is close to being useless

Or maybe not useless but minimally better

[gritty ore]

The blood weapons deals more damage scaling with the target's missing hp or the player's missing hp ?

[blissful zealot]

Player’s hp

[gritty ore]

The whole time i thought the target's hp and i was wondering why i deal the same damage everytime

[blissful zealot]

Haha

[peak bronze]

Bloodstone effect is momentarily somewhat okay with protection staff since it takes 40% of your current life when casting.

[fiery moat]

I do slightly agree with you on that. But that's the only explanation I could think of for not having deconstruct for ships/carts. Plus the ward also somewhat hints at that. Slightly pvp 🤏🏻

[blissful zealot]

trying to repair my boat but i somehow manage to blow it up in the middle of the ocean

[fiery moat]

Titanicheim

[autumn idol]

I honestly really like the way that the bloodstone weapons synergize with blood magic

I just wish they had a small additional effect so they weren’t so overshadowed by the lightning weapons

[granite geyser]

because there is nothing wrong with it

they have a specific use, they should be used with it

but i have come to learn that 99% of "issues" people have with anything is because they completely missed the point

the only thing enchantment needs is the effect upgrading with the weapon level and that's it.

but... they "had to move forward, not backward"

[rose swan]

#suggestions message
Deep North spoiler ||We already have 1 cute animal, we shouldn’t have any more 😭 ||

#suggestions message
this would make ranged blood weapons extremely powerful (I actually suggested something similar, but this was pointed out to me and I agree )

#suggestion-discussion message lol credit to @granite geyser

[fiery moat]

You mean Necks?

[granite geyser]

#suggestions message

This way you won't have to rely on remembering the tag

or you could just... build a board with all portal destinations...

between doing that and expecting devs to implement that whole system i'm sure we can all figure out which one is much faster and easier.

sign posts are one of the very first things you unlock, it's baffling how people don't know how to use them

[lofty wave]

There is a map icon of a portal, use it.

[little obsidian]

I think what they mean is a running list of all portals names. Much like how in modded minecraft the mod in which adds tesseracts. You make a frequency (in Valhiems case, a tag/name of a portal), and then the other end its set to same frequency, And now they are linked. Just a little menu change to make it easier and quicker to link to portals that are already made and tag/named

This gives me the idea however of expanding the portal mechanic to have a Master/Slave aspect.

The Master portal would be at your home base, slaves could be dotted around but they always teleport you to the Master.

You step into the Master portal and it would open the map allowing you to select which slave portal you wish to go upon entering it

[languid ibex]

Right, the map can be a running list of all portal names, just add them there.

In this way you can even share portal names with friends using the cartography table.

[little obsidian]

Which means way more steps.

When it could be a simple drop down list of available portal names

small addition to the ui, but a big impact for ease of use specially for those like myself whom way to scatter brained

[rose swan]

So have a menu open up every time you step through a portal? 🤔

[mortal lichen]

There's already a mod that does this and it has fcked people over so many times... You try to exit quickly and instead you gotta browse a menu.

[rose swan]

Right, this would likely be my first concern. Second, I’m not a fan of extra pop-up menus and UI clutter 😅

[peak bronze]

When crap is hitting the fan the least I would want to do is to drag hastily around the map to the point I want to get.

[little obsidian]

The fact Damage over Time gets negated in loading screens should be fixed anyways.

[mortal lichen]

I mean...that would rely on PC performance surely? Some things load way slower, should I keep ticking during? idk seems very technical

[little obsidian]

the other persons suggestion isn't suggesting a pop up upon entering. Mine does yea i recognize that.

And yea i imagine technical restricts on the back end are impeding the fix but i'm sure there is a way for it to get fixed

My first thoughts go to like a combat block timer or maybe if enemies are nearby it or something but yes even those have their flaws we'd struggle with

[granite geyser]

so that's adding more steps but just building a board with portal destinations is less complicated?

i don't understand the logic

the simple solution is right there, and has been there since day 1

[little obsidian]

Ngl, whatever point was meant to be in that summarization. got lost to hell and back when i read that LMAO.

But thats fine. I know none of these things would be even dreamt of by the devs since they already made* a system that works "Good enough"

[stark coral]

the only suggestion i have is that when you're crafting stuff in your base, i wish your crafting stations automatically scanned what you have in your chests inside of your base and it takes straight from the chests. im sure someone has suggested that tho

[stiff stag]

That has been rejected.