#valheim-chat

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tiny tiger
frail wagon
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wait you have to be in the moutins to breed wolfs?

thorn wren
azure yacht
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I don't understand why it's a bad thing that it's a whole effort to do something that's completely optional

tiny tiger
frail wagon
thorn wren
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Because taming is so remarkably inefficent that it isn't worth doing in a normal playthrough.
It's literally only useful if you are excessively overbuilding or overfarming each stage of progression... Which is fine, it's ok to play like that, absolutely nothing wrong with that.
However, my point is that taming is USELESS for general playthroughs.

azure yacht
frail wagon
thorn wren
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Maybe that will expand to other animals in some way

azure yacht
frail wagon
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so you can KIND of take ONE animal threw portals

plush umbra
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rune harnish, made from eitr, marbles and scale hide or something. use to teleport an animal

azure yacht
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Again, you dislike it, you don't do it...

Literally no problems

thorn wren
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It's about as useful as decorating your house (which I do a lot of, not bashing it)

frail wagon
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man what if they added like a net you could use to basicly itemize smaller tames (wolfs and boars) to make transporting them not a nightmare

azure yacht
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Hildir doesn't give a lot despite the effort you need to get her stuff.

That's why I can just decide not to do her requests and done.

swift portal
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its a perfect spot im guessing but it has a good greydwarf spawner just in the middle of the ocean on a small island

azure yacht
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Not everything needs to be an absolute necessity otherwise you automatically lose the game for not doing it

plush umbra
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would love if you could also itemize furniture and crafting structures

tiny tiger
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An update that expands on the taming aspects of the game is welcome though

swift portal
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i could break it but i can also use it as a farm

frail wagon
azure yacht
frail wagon
tiny tiger
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In it current state taming is a tedious but rewarding long term process, especially considering how boar meat is required upto mountains because its replaced with loxs in the plains

plush umbra
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heres an idea: use a tamed wolf to herd other tamed animals

frail wagon
azure yacht
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I see here a duality of taming being very unnecessary and a chore vs doing it and ending up with the thought of "how can I move them now?"

frail wagon
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i wish we had a tame for every biome

tiny tiger
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Currently im regretting letting my boars die and not farming them because I ended up running out of boar meat alot during the stage of the game that required it

thorn wren
# azure yacht Not everything needs to be an absolute necessity otherwise you automatically los...

You don't need to "lose the game for not doing it"
but it would be nice if I could spend an hour setting up an animal type -- taming and breeding it to produce the items it drops.
Instead of having to exclusively hunt it down and farm it.
For example, boar -- the meat you can use as pretty solid food through the swamp.
Right now, it's hilariously inefficient to breed boar to meet those needs ---> it is SIGNIFICANTLY less time consuming to just run around and farm wild boar.

That seems kinda lame. Especially since this is true for all animals going forward.
When you have the ability to tame and breed animals in a game there is almost always an actual use for it. Such as minecraft for example. It would be pretty lame if you had to go run around the map killing cow, chicken, and sheep all game.

azure yacht
frail wagon
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also moving tames across islands is just a very annoying and hard process

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due to the way boat's work

tiny tiger
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Its less time consuming how? amassing huge boar hordes is definitely the way to go rather than hunting wild boar whenever you run out of boar meat

plush umbra
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maybe a large and slow version of the raft, specifically to carry animals

tiny tiger
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a similar comparison would be only planting carrot seeds and going out to hunt for them in the wild whenever you run out of carrots

frail wagon
hearty niche
thorn wren
# tiny tiger Its less time consuming how? amassing huge boar hordes is definitely the way to ...

Unless you are giga overfarming each biome that's just not true. The core problem is that the animals don't breed unless the player is present.
So unless you are spending a lot of time chillin' at base, it is just better to go farm them. You level skills as you run around as well for a double whammy ---- by the time you reach the critical mass of boars that you can just slaughter them and sustain the meat --- you'll definitely be out of the swamp.
You can run through a meadow and get a stack of boar meat in 20 minutes absolute maximum

frail wagon
tiny tiger
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You will spend alot of time at base regardless, it will build up with time

thorn wren
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right but by the time it is effective, you don't need it anymore
so it's unfortunately pointless

frail wagon
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you need so much boar meat its good to have a backup reserve incase you run out

azure yacht
# thorn wren You don't need to "lose the game for not doing it" but it would be nice if I co...

There thing is: The game isn't a complex simulation where everything should make sense, especially regarding something completely optional like taming.

Players are never expected to do everything that can be done in a single playthrough and if they do, it's their decision. You have the free will to do something, you also have it to NOT do something.

It doesn't really matter whether taming is worthless or not, because 1) You can simply decide not to do it and 2) The resources become irrelevant quickly anyway.

Which is fine, because this is a progression-based game where the further you progress the less needed you find the things from earlier biomes. It's just bound to happen

azure yacht
tiny tiger
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I disagree, I went out farming for wild boars and in a whole day only ended up amassing a total of 6 boar meat

thorn wren
frail wagon
tiny tiger
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Its without a doubt worth doing the tedious but long term process of domesticating boar

azure yacht
thorn wren
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No, it is absolutely not. Boar meat is outpaced massively by the time you are in mountains.

frail wagon
tiny tiger
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Once you are in the mountains its time to start taming the next tameable creatures, the wolves if you so choose

frail wagon
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i wish we had more tames

idle moon
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if you like 2 stam foods, in the mountains usually you're still using turnip stew, right?

tiny tiger
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cant you use boar meat to tame the wolves too?

frail wagon
azure yacht
thorn wren
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Now, if you are chillin' and going slow and taking a lot of extra time in each biome --- sure. You could make the argument.
If you are progressing through the game at an average to fast pace --- it's a massive waste of time.

hearty niche
azure yacht
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And each creature needs three units of food for that, one eaten every 10 minutes

tiny tiger
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What even is average pace

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I was at mountains around day 100 on my first run, what would you consider that

hearty niche
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onion soup + eyescream I think gives you the most stamina but the health regen of the turnip stew is nice.

tiny tiger
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Or maybe it was more like from 80-100+ I dont remember too well but I only reached plains after 160

thorn wren
idle moon
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I've always found muckshakes and eyescream aren't really sustainable if they're your staples for one of your 2 stam foods - I'm usually running onion soup + turnip stew into the plains I think

tiny tiger
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I find myself constantly low on greydwarf eyes

frail wagon
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ALSO ALSO why isnt taming speed EFFECTED BY SLEEPING

plush umbra
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muckshake was just something i made like 5 of, specifically for farming my plants

azure yacht
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Probably coding issues

frail wagon
azure yacht
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Taming would probably be better if they simply fix that and the process continuing when the area is unloaded

idle moon
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Yeah, I'm just saying, still using boar meat into the plains because still using turnip stew into the plains

frail wagon
hearty niche
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Something I'd tell new players - abandon your expectations. some of the things other games have taught you apply here. But don't assume they do

azure yacht
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Literally just that.

Maybe if you gave them better food (wolves would love meat platter for example) but just the first two solutions would be acceptable

plush umbra
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better food is a good idea

thorn wren
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That's all I'm saying --- give me chunk loading and sleep effecting animals --- maybe a skill that somehow improves their breeding rate --- or upgrades like how there are upgrade buildings to the benches
something like that
and animal taming/breeding would be fine
All I'm saying is that right now, it's not worth it unless you're going snails pace through the game (which again, is a perfectly fine playstyle, but most players will not be progressing that slow IMO)

plush umbra
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so many ideas today

frail wagon
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i need a taming update right NOW

plush umbra
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not impossible

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i'm half expecting something like that to come before DN

frail wagon
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sadly we probably wont get that until like 6 months after DN

hearty niche
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I keep telling people they should take all their suggestions and ideas and apply them to the games they're building.

thorn wren
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How would that improve this game?

plush umbra
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they did put out hildirs request and hearth and home between biomes after all

frail wagon
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i wish they added like

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foxes to the black forest

vocal rivet
frail wagon
# vocal rivet Why?

1: i like foxes
2: i feel like the black forest feels too dead for a forest

vagrant pasture
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I hope there will be more ways to get Ashlands gemstones soon. Iolite in particular is too scare for a server with +5 players

pastel latch
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iolite is for most the most common gem 🤔

ornate sigil
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Gems are affected by RNG.

pastel latch
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true but generally I see people here lacking the blood one out of them all

hearty niche
pastel latch
hearty niche
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So chests sometimes contain multiple types of gems?

pastel latch
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yes

vocal rivet
ornate sigil
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I have not reached ashlands since leaving PTB when it went live.

hearty niche
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Being able to exchange/convert them with Haldor/Hildir seems like a potential route, I'll pop that over in #suggestions

ornate sigil
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I can see it now. That will be 999 gold for one gem or 599 if you exchange....(mostly joking)

hearty niche
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maybe a sacrificial altar kinda like the obliterator but you make an offering of gems and gold.

ornate sigil
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But since it is a item coming from the second to last biome, I'm sure that if it got implemented, it would be resource and/or time intensive.

vocal rivet
frail wagon
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i kinda wish you could buy gear from the biome if you have beat the boss

ornate sigil
azure yacht
frail wagon
azure yacht
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That way players would have to grab just ONE extra gold piece just to buy the gem

ornate sigil
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spawns a pile of gold
"That wasn't enough, now I have to spawn a second pile and have 998 left over. Crap."

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😋

vocal rivet
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All that needs to happen is to tweak the drop table so there's a guaranteed 1 per chest plus the usual chance for another.

hearty niche
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I'm always looking for ways to inspire the player to explore the whole world.

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The game's minimalist approach favors simplicity imo

frank herald
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Don't know what you think, but I think Staff of the Wild is hugely underappreciated.

It isn't blood magic so it doesn't cost HP when casting. It blocks off enemy paths so you have rooms to dodge. It deals substantial amount of blunt damage each hit. And there is no hard limit how much you may summon (thou their appearance have time limit).

Most importantly, enemy don't seems to prioritize atracking the summoned vine. So the vines can usually stay for quite a while.

If you have learn you lessons for dodging and crowd control in early biome, it is pretty easy to kite a few enemies around 3-4 vines and just watch the vines work.

plush umbra
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add evil dvergr mistlands miniboss to unlock hildir gem converter

hearty niche
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I'm curious if they're gonna leave the kiln in the game. Being able to convert a stack of wood to a pile of coal with a single fire arrow is a lot more efficient than waiting for 2x rounds of the kiln.

hearty niche
plush umbra
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its not a serious suggestion

hearty niche
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I made a very similar suggestion about giving Hildir that capability after the player completes her quest and like your idea.

river forge
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thoughts on ashlands so far?

grave wagon
hearty niche
grave wagon
tiny tiger
hearty niche
tiny tiger
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cheaper to craft

hearty niche
river forge
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you enjoy ashlands?

tiny tiger
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And if you use an axe first to weaken the wood you only need to hit the wood pile once or twice

river forge
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The server I am on kinda died so didn't get far into it

vocal vale
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Wait you can turn a stack of 50 wood into charcoal with a torch??????

grave wagon
hearty niche
river forge
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And the backwards way valheim handles connections makes lag

tiny tiger
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I recommend it, it makes the gameplay more fun

vocal vale
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But does that mean you could also just portal wood to Ashlands and drop it?

merry pebble
tiny tiger
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I guess so I’ve not reached Ashland’s yet

hearty niche
tiny tiger
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Charcoal kilns should deffo get a boost because fire spread makes them obsolete

grave wagon
merry pebble
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well i would see as a more realistic option to nerf the new mechanic than to mess with something that was in the game already

hearty niche
tiny tiger
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Waiting for coal is no fun

valid ravine
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I need Some players to play with dutch or belgian Would be Nice i can speak english to

hearty niche
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I've always felt maybe that channel would benefit from a rename ? I'm not sure it's intuitive for people looking for players/servers.

ornate sigil
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digs into the ashlands to have a small lava pool just to drop in sticks of wood and make insta-charcoal

hearty niche
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I guess hope it's close enough for the cursor thing to hit it

tiny tiger
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askvin

hearty niche
ornate sigil
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Assuming they don't nerf stacks to give less coal per wood piece, that would be faster and safer.

azure yacht
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It actually resurfaced as it's not supposed to happen outside of ashlands

hearty niche
ember panther
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Is it really an exploit? Or just one of the positives of using fire hazard?

hearty niche
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I feel like it had to be intended at a certain point

velvet harbor
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whats the best way to level up skills?

near kayak
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hit the homies

hearty niche
near kayak
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hit the homies with stick

ornate sigil
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Lowest damage weapon in preferred category + resistant enemy = more exp per kill since exp is per successful hit aparently.

paper marsh
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taming a lox and hitting away at it can be pretty effective

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If you really want melee skill fast though best is spear, bc it attacks fast and earns more xp per-hit than other weapons

foggy glacier
drowsy magnet
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draugr farm

drowsy magnet
ember panther
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Swimming around in circles

noble cargo
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Hello everybody, I haven't played in a long time and I'm thinking of getting back into the game, wanted to know if anybody has played around with the world modifiers.

I was thinking of setting the raids to none (because they annoy me to no end) and death to casual, but cranking up combat difficulty and lowering gathering yields to compensate.

Wanted to know if anybody has tried similar settings or just played around with them and had a better understanding of the effects.

shy marlin
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I mean they're world modifiers, and you can go back and change them at any time.

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That being said, just know that if you're gonna play on the higher difficulties parrying really doesn't become an option anymore.

frail wagon
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realistic mode player's make me very worried for their overall health

hearty niche
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I still have the faded drawing on my whiteboard of when we got hopelessly lost and were able to figure it out.

frail wagon
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like it just seems so insanely hard and annoying

paper marsh
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I’d say non-world tree navigation is not for the faint of heart

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Navigating without the tree just feels impossible once you get lost

frail wagon
hearty niche
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Especially if you're playing without portals

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Any sea voyage requires careful planning and documentation,.

ember panther
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That's why you path and plan every trip

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Build a lot, cut down many trees, don't ever get lost

tiny tiger
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Okay only just found the trader

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But as a bonus they’re both right next to eachother pretty much

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Immersive is hella fun tbh

noble cargo
# shy marlin That being said, just know that if you're gonna play on the higher difficulties ...

Eh, I was going to turn off raids because they put me off of the game before (glad we have the option now), but then I thought that leaving raids off and then grinding till I was a god would be kinda broken, so I thought to raise combat to compensate, BUT then losing progress to killer combat would be annoying so I figured I should set death to casual so I wouldn't throw my laptop out the window.

But yeah, I didn't consider that parrying would just be out of the question with the enemy damage numbers cranked up, thanks for the reminder.

tiny tiger
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I find raids are very inconsistent, I had them show up at inconvenient times usually while farming but since killing bonemass I’ve not had them in a while

noble cargo
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And I would try immersive, but I can't live without a map.

nocturne wolf
tiny tiger
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After I finish my current run my next run I plan to do hardcore immersive

noble cargo
noble cargo
nocturne wolf
noble cargo
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nice

deep basin
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Are leviathans seeded because my friend and I found 4 of them SO CLOSE to each other that we could literally jump from one to another...

azure yacht
shy marlin
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They just do too much damage

stark rose
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The bell item for ashlands boss looks like a bag of trash when placed on an item stand

stark rose
shy marlin
stark rose
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What's your block skill

shy marlin
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Mid 20s in all my very hard playthroughs, there's no world where you can parry a fuling berserker with a black metal shield on very hard

stark rose
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Mid 20s is very low

shy marlin
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have you played on very hard btw

pastel latch
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the fact whether or not you can parry an attack is directly related to the amount of damage an enemy does and the amount of MAX HP you have in relation, in other words enemies in very hard difficulty just do too much damage to parry

shy marlin
pastel latch
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on hard difficulty (which I played) it was already not worth it at times

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(yet I still always did it :p)

shy marlin
# stark rose Mid 20s is very low

Literally just tested on a character in full padded (lvl 4) with blocking 50 on a black metal shield (level 3) and with lox meat pie, wolf skewer, and bread and you cannot parry the fuling berserker idk what you're on about (very hard mode)

stark rose
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Why are you using only one good food

shy marlin
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?

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Where's this other elusive plains tier hp food

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And this whole thing is meaningless too, because you can just stagger lock and be proactive with blackmetal atgeir and not even have to worry about dodging or parrying the berserker

idle moon
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Maybe Serpent stew?

shy marlin
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oh yea ig

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but running serpent stew for everyday shenanigans? idk man

nocturne wolf
ember panther
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Fish wraps are great

nocturne wolf
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The wraps are great but the fishing is not

subtle perch
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guys i really need help against pack of wolves

pastel latch
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fishing is the worst part of valheim honestly, I usually like fishing in games

shy marlin
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People fish in valheim?

subtle perch
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what can I do? they always killing me. I died another time and I lost a lot of skill points needlessy

nocturne wolf
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I think the fishing would be ok if the stamina drain was reduced.

regal spoke
subtle perch
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How can I nerf those? I am mystlands

shy marlin
nocturne wolf
subtle perch
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damn, i lost again a lot of skill points, it took hours to farm them back

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i hate this game when it overdoes

nocturne wolf
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First playthrough?

subtle perch
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now who give me those back? i am back to sword lv 57 again, i am getting sick of those wolves

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i am really getting sick, and it has been a lot of times i deal with those invasions

nocturne wolf
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Sword 57 is actually quite high

shy marlin
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Pop bonemass whenever you get the hunted event, should help

subtle perch
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it would have been 75

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it doesn't, i finish the stamina and have no time to restore with potion

nocturne wolf
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Without skill loss skills wouldn’t do anything except add grind to the game

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With skill loss they add a punishment to death that persists after picking up your items

subtle perch
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the problem are those wolves, I have no time to stop them.

nocturne wolf
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With your high sword skill you might be able to consistently stagger them in one hit

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A secondary attack will definitely do this

subtle perch
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It's a too much powerful force alone, it's too much powerful. It's double the power force of Malenia's elden ring flower attack and dance. It's like fighting her twice.

nocturne wolf
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Are you on normal difficulty or something harder?

subtle perch
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No i cannot oneshot them with my max blackmetal sword

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Normal

nocturne wolf
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If you hit them they should be stunned then you hit them again for a quick and easy kill

subtle perch
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i do that, they are too much

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but stamina depletes, and they come like a flow

nocturne wolf
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What food are you using?

subtle perch
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sausages, bread and wolf staks

nocturne wolf
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What armor do you have?

subtle perch
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max padded

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I said there is no rpg mechanic to counter those. Literally none.

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It's the most powerful force I ever witnessed in dozen or rpgs

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Thye should really nerf them

nocturne wolf
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Are you always rested? Your armor, weapon and food is all much more than good enough.

subtle perch
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and now multiple deaths to take back the times

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i just ended a fight against ticks and their master, and i even won

subtle perch
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the only way to defeat wolves hunt is to be faster and make an hill, or be in three people

nocturne wolf
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Are you parrying everything? It is a mistake I made as a new player that caused my only death to wolves as it drains stamina very fast. Parrying isn’t the right option in every situation where it is available.

subtle perch
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and now they didn't even despawn

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i am not parryng everything

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i am not doing mistake, apart not being fast enough to make a hill. And play pacifist mode.

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i think i have to start cheat this game, i am loosing 30 minutes to tack back my stuff and game does anythign ti prevent

nocturne wolf
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All your equipment and food is good enough, you’re rested and aren’t parrying too much, and your skills are ridiculously high. I don’t even know what you could be doing wrong at this point

subtle perch
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playing this game legit

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or not calling 5 extreme ashlands powerful warriors to push me to end

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that's my mistake

nocturne wolf
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If you kill the wolves as soon as they reach you, you should be getting enough time between them to regenerate stamina

teal tiger
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Ngl Stamina has been a big problem for me in Mistlands & Ashlands. Just too many enemies. Especially with the Charred warriors, you can't just walk out of their range 100% of the time. Before that though.. all the biomes are manageable with just walking out of enemy range.

spring sigil
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does lvl up elemental magic still work on golems?

noble cargo
subtle perch
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I delet stamina cause they are too much, after 1.5 years of playthrought and 600 in day games I don't do those mistakes. I practiced dodge and parry against any possible known mosters countless time. I defeated Moder first attempt. Yagluth second attempt. I can defeat three trolls without getting hit. I defeated two seekes alone in the mystlands, a tick army and duergars. And all Hildir's bosses.

teal tiger
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I won't lie, I don't think I could do it solo. I usually parry everything while my partner takes care of them.

subtle perch
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But I have no way to clear those hunting wolves out. I can resist and kill 15 of them, then stamina goes and i am gone. Even within logout trick.

nocturne wolf
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Logging out removes your rested buff so you’ll regenerate stamina more slowly

subtle perch
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I was out of rested already. It ended while fighting the leeches lord

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I even had stamina potion and health one, but wolves said no

shy marlin
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💀

nocturne wolf
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You shouldn’t be doing anything except going back to your base if you aren’t rested. The wolves aren’t the issue, you were just too tired to fight.

subtle perch
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there is literally nothing I can do against wolf hunt and if I survive is only by luck, cause a big rock near or some enemies aggroing them

nocturne wolf
subtle perch
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I was going back, they came when i was near

nocturne wolf
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You should’ve checked the timer and returned before it ran out

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Or you can build a campfire and sit for an extra 8 minutes

subtle perch
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Or maybe wolves could be less powerful

pastel latch
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wolves are decently hard to deal with at first or second playtrough but man that wolf event is always nonsense and basically means guaranteed death if your bonemass power isnt charged or happen to not carry a portal or a stack of stone and wood on you

subtle perch
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Cause nothing else gave me those problems, and i often run out of resting buff while fighting

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In the last death, i was running away from base to prevent tick lord to destroy it, and buff ended while i was cleaning gobs and ticks

idle moon
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I'd say to get more comfort at your base and keep a better eye on rested buff

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if necessary can plop down a campfire to get a quick and dirty rested on way back to base in emergency

nocturne wolf
subtle perch
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and you think some more stamina regen would make the change?

nocturne wolf
subtle perch
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yes, but i was sorrounded

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I had 4 of them in every direction, and 15 pelts on the floor

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so i don't think the stamina regen would have change much, if I even had not the time to drink a potion

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or run away

nocturne wolf
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It increases stamina regen by 100%. You’d have double the stamina to fight with.

subtle perch
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but no space to regen it

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tried everything to gain 3 seconds, three logouts

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no way

teal tiger
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So like.. Ashlands.. this is gonna be the first biome I need a whole ass portal network across. Running anywhere is completely ridiculous.

subtle perch
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I think the only solution left, apart cheating (and this point I m just a masochist to not fight the fire with fire in this game), is to train like league of legends. Ability one: place a table, ability 2 place a portal, ability 3 escape.

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And give up on 5 item slot I really need to carry stuff around from mystlands

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And that would be a hige debuff, cause 5 less usable slots are a huge debuff

teal tiger
nocturne wolf
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You can’t have resting while enemies are aggro on you, and they always are when you’re being hunted

subtle perch
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But i see what you say

smoky quarry
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full attack

subtle perch
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I will try to keep the buff always on but it's not that easy. Sometimes i forget to look or i am busy surviving.

copper karma
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Aren't floating copper nodes supposed to collapse?

nocturne wolf
teal tiger
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It helped me with the mountains miniboss for Hildir.

smoky quarry
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unrested = easy kill. And i swear the game waits for you to be tired

subtle perch
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Yah

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But let me correct you. Unrested + extremely powerful wolves = easy kill

smoky quarry
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not a problem when you can sustain the stam to dodge

subtle perch
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I defeat almost every enemy unrested, from time to time. Even bonemass once.

teal tiger
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Do you use Bonemass power?

smoky quarry
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also, mace works good vs wolves(frostner) because of knockback

subtle perch
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Wouldn't change stuff, the attack ratei was huge

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No stamina, no time to react after the 15th wolf killed

somber niche
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Hi y'all! Does anyone play with mods? If so, what mod manager would you guys recommend for valheim? I'm trying to set up a server for up to 5 or 6 players and wanted to know wich one it's the more comfortable one

teal tiger
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Bonemass makes most physical damage trivial

teal tiger
smoky quarry
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2star might challenge that, but i would use 3rd attack on club vs wolves

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timed properly ofc. anything to avoid the bite

subtle perch
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Yah

teal tiger
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Also parrying. Wolves aren't the easiest to parry, but if you just assume they're attacking if their face is up in your business instead of waiting for the telegraph, you can parry consistently.

nocturne wolf
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I’ve already mentioned that parrying most of the wolves in a hunt will drain your stamina too fast

regal spoke
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Atgeir for packs is the only time I advocate for the weapon. Multiple mobs is always a challenge. But wolves do bite pretty hard

subtle perch
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Nah ... in the end i was unlucky once more. Bad spot, bad time, bad moment without resting buff. Bad yraining with fast portal escape

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Better luck next time.

teal tiger
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Atgeir is nutty for packs, but solo sucks because of the lack of damage on the secondary. Having someone else to pick mobs off while you knock back with Atgeir is amazing though.

azure yacht
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Low damage for secondary is not a problem

teal tiger
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For the stamina cost it can be

regal spoke
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I'm a spear and knife fan. Packs are erm fun with these weapons

shy marlin
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Nah ain't no way atgeir slander can be enabled

regal spoke
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Awe Atgeir too strongk and we know it

azure yacht
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Use secondary, stagger, use secondary again, double damage.

No wolves

teal tiger
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Don't get me wrong, I love atgeir, but you're running out of stamina doing the secondary on packs before you do any damage to them.

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(for the later mobs with more HP)

shy marlin
teal tiger
regal spoke
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Depends on your food choices I'm 2 H 1 S guy. So yea stam is a well respected resource

teal tiger
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Ah yeah, I guess some people do 2 S. Weirdos.

regal spoke
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No shame from me. Whatever makes people happy.

pastel latch
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I never really used atgeirs in my playtroughs, I really shouldve it seems .-.

tepid prawn
teal tiger
regal spoke
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Hence why I mentioned Atgeir. I do enjoy frostner for slows. Always wanted an alternative option for applying frost.

tepid prawn
pastel latch
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apparently its a real good wolf event counter though, thats the only event that I would actually call nonsense in this game as if you dont have bonemass active or find a large hill to stand on you tend to be screwed

regal spoke
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A frosted spear or something. But that's just me dreaming

azure yacht
regal spoke
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Agreed

pastel latch
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I vaguely remember in my first or second playtrough 2-3 years ago using a blackmetal atgeir in the plains biome to harvest some crops and almost never used it in combat as I preferred parrying and didnt like the stamina cost or something and then didnt try them in my latest playtrough

idle moon
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hoping they don't continue the trend they've started since mistlands with most mobs being pierce resistant when DN comes out

regal spoke
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Since we are speaking on raids. Raids only happen at bases right. So creating murder tunnels with traps would seem legit. Funnel them into choke points. "Isolate and decimate"

pastel latch
regal spoke
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Oh yeah. I've been taco like Tuesday by hunts

sonic quarry
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Hello friends, can somebody with experience and or knowledge of/with the command console please DM me

nocturne wolf
pastel latch
regal spoke
nocturne wolf
regal spoke
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The hunt is why some people put off BM until gear ready

pastel latch
sonic quarry
regal spoke
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Level 4 is max no?

sonic quarry
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No

nocturne wolf
sonic quarry
pastel latch
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or on easier difficulties?

nocturne wolf
teal tiger
regal spoke
pastel latch
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I remember on my very first playtrough I got stuck in an enormous death loop in the mountain biome

regal spoke
sonic quarry
regal spoke
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Sorry for misunderstanding. Good luck

wispy path
merry sun
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Now i see how normal Valheim is easy

paper marsh
merry sun
paper marsh
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Permadeath vhard rly gives you a run for your money

fossil delta
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Thats one of the things that won me over for Valheim. Even before we had difficulty settings, I made it "hard" by not using dodge roll and parry, I only use tower shields. Then try to never die. Which I still haven't done thanks to the Queen and her AoE.

paper marsh
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Yea I love self imposed challenges

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No dodge/parry and instead just using tower shield sounds odd though, like it takes away skill

vocal vale
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That sounds like it just drags out the game more than anything

fossil delta
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I drag the game out far more by doing way more building than I should.

thorn wren
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Meh the building is part of the game, 99% of players are going to make a real base and not like, minecraft speedrun build all game

livid widget
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Will tree stumps eventually vanish?

fossil delta
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No.

teal tiger
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Chop 'em down!

livid widget
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game needs c4 explosives

copper karma
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What's with people and tree stumps? They're not even a thing

fossil delta
vocal vale
thorn wren
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Yea I get ya, but unless you're literally making a whole city I feel like just about any player is going to spend several hours on their base that is technically not necessary

livid widget
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It's completely necessary

fossil delta
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Several hours? Heh, I wouldn't feel bad about JUST several hours. 😄

livid widget
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I have dozens and dozens of hours into building

fossil delta
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I bet out of my 4200+ hours, at least 1,000 of it is spent building stuff.

teal tiger
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I can't bring myself to demo older houses. I turn my builds into small villages by adding my new upgraded house next to the old wooden shack.

fossil delta
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Especially when Mechanic and I built Insanity.

thorn wren
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sure but I'm sure if we wanted to sit down and categorize everything a fair amount of stuff could be "necessary"
For example, it's "necesarry" to build a plains farm.
It's "not necessary" to actually build a safe enclosure for it with a stand for repairing your cultivator and such with decorations

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but a lot of people will probably spend a little time decorating the plains farm, unnecessarily

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so if you tally those instances, probably several hours is very typical for almost all players

fossil delta
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Insanity was connecting 10 plains pillars, with a "Great Wall of China" on the ground, and a large keep at either end, on the ground. So yeah, waaaaaaaay more than I need to.

teal tiger
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Funny enough, my meadows farm is a barebones dump whilst my plains farm is arguably beautiful

thorn wren
fossil delta
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Then there was everything we built on top of the pillars, along with the connecting "bridges".

burnt glen
livid widget
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Speaking of dump. Afk a bit.

teal tiger
fossil delta
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They may need to focus.

thorn wren
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yikes, probably more fiber and drink more water then

fossil delta
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Lack of fiber and water is a lot of Vikings problems...

burnt glen
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Curry is a natural laxative, I’d recommend it sometimes.

livid widget
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Curry sounds good. Hungry.

fossil delta
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You have to put in effort to make "bad" curry.

sonic sundial
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yeah curry is great.

livid widget
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What do I do with "guck"?

fossil delta
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It is a good idea to make a curry with a lot of fiber in it.

fossil delta
sonic sundial
livid widget
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oh I have that

fossil delta
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I think its only other use is in one of the torches. Maybe.

sonic sundial
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theres a banner that uses it too i think

fossil delta
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Been over 15 months since I have been that far into a play through. Just getting there with my newest one.

vocal rivet
fossil delta
vapid hearth
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I probably shouldn't have tried to retrieve Hildr's stolen chests, because it's really burning me out

livid widget
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Just can't seem to get enough sausage

fossil delta
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Find a draugr spawner, turn it into a "farm". Better yet, one of those circles with two spawners in it.

livid widget
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YEah, need one for the resin too. My to-do list is getting very long.

odd kernel
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Are drauger supposed to spawn randomly in the meadows?research me and my brother have done says they only spwn in the meadows fro. Drauger villages,that's it,they are spawning in places no were near a swamp or drauger village,or any were they would usually spawn,and we haven't had a drauger raid in forever

fossil delta
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I have found draugr in my nearby woods long after a raid. They do not always despawn.

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Found a troll yesterday, well after the ground is shaking event.

livid widget
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The base building set from the vendor seems cool, but what happens when you get a raid? you just gimped?

woeful yacht
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I thought guck was a primary ingredient for curry?

odd kernel
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Think it's a possible bug?

maiden python
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what would happen if I have Valheim on PTB but I revert to the non-PTB version to play another server with a different character

tepid prawn
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when PTB and live version are different builds, they are often not backwards compatible (sometimes it still works)

livid widget
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Does axe skill help with wood cutting, or is it completely separate? Assuming latter, but maybe it helps with dmg?

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Sausage isn't long enough

odd helm
livid widget
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Wish buff was 1hr

livid widget
tight yacht
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i wish blast furnaces could smelt old ores

sonic sundial
vocal rivet
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But we already have smelters for that.

livid widget
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It does seem like it should be backwards compatible. Like Icarus

tight yacht
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whatever the smelter can smelt, a blast furnace should definitely be able to smelt

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if we are talking realism here

vocal rivet
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The way I figure it, the blast furnace runs too to to smelt the other ores.

fossil delta
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The blast furnace runs at a far higher heat than the smelters.

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If your looking for realism.

idle moon
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is it bad if the heat is too high for that?

vocal rivet
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Christ, that's what that was supposed to say but I clearly had a stroke halfway through.

fossil delta
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It would ruin tin and copper, yeah. You can google the heat levels for smelting the various metals. In real life..

livid widget
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Couldn't you just control the heat from the blast furnace

sonic sundial
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I think I could suspend my disbelief on that for the QoL.

fossil delta
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Maybe. Im not a blast furnace engineer.

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I gather so many mats, I don't mind having smelters and blast furnaces up and running.

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Plus I never have a core shortage once I get into the swamps.

idle moon
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I'm not necessarily against letting blast furnace smelt the lower ores, but that would leave the original smelters pointless

livid widget
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Doesn't make them pointless.

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Just makes them obsolete after a certain milestone.

sonic sundial
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for me it less about the mats and more about the space. it makes your in world foot print bigger.

sonic sundial
livid widget
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Be cool if you could upgrade them if you are carrying mats. Smelter > blast furnace. Even better would be building pieces.

tight yacht
fossil delta
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Obviously I have no idea why they gave the blast furnace the features it has, but it uses forced air to create the higher temps needed for the "higher" metals. To use it for the lower heat metals, tin and copper, you would have to be able to turn that part of it "off". Which I imagine would be doable in a real life situation.

tight yacht
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either it melts or it doesnt...however when you are forging metals its a different story, especially steel since it temperature determines the type of crystal structures that form

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but we arent forging steel, we are melting copper and tin together, or forming ingots, in which case it doesnt matter

fossil delta
livid widget
tight yacht
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but the point is if a blast furnace runs hotter than a regular smelter, it doesnt prevent it from melting the lower metals

vocal rivet
idle moon
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do blast furnaces get to the boiling point of lower metals?

livid widget
tight yacht
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"burn the metal"?

regal spoke
livid widget
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Yes. You ever put an aluminum can in the fire camping?

tight yacht
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yes, thats not burning, its melting

livid widget
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No, it turns to ash.

tight yacht
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you need to add in flux to remove impurities and it forms a fine ingot

idle moon
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I would guess burning the metal might mean denaturing it somehow?

tight yacht
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no, this isnt what happens lol

vocal rivet
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Do they teach physics in school anymore?

fossil delta
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I haven't read a metallurgy book in over a decade, but I do remember you do not want to work certain metals at too high of a temp.

tight yacht
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metal is a bunch of elements and the only thing that happens if you heat a metal past its melting point ENOUGH is it turns into plasma...there is no "burning" metals unless it oxidizes but thats a separate issue from smelting

regal spoke
tight yacht
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yes, work being the key word, as i mentioned above

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if you are melting them into ingots going "over temp" doesnt matter

vocal rivet
tight yacht
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it melts an element into its pure form. adding more heat past that does nothing unless you asdd a ton of heat and turn it into plasma

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i know exactly what people are talking about, people apparently think you can overheat molten metal?

vocal rivet
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"melts an element". What fucking element is bronze then?

tight yacht
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bronze is an alloy

livid widget
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maybe it doesn't technically burn, but it certainly disappears

noble cargo
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i love how this turned from combat strats, to building to, "how do metal?"

vocal rivet
tight yacht
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whats your point lol, are you just being petulant or is there something you were getting at

livid widget
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Also, I don't think an ingot would do that. But a can definitely will.

outer spindle
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You make bronze from merging it in the forge though, not the smelter.

tight yacht
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a can has a bunch of other stuff in it that you are probably seeing burn. people definitely form aluminum ingots from cans

livid widget
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Maybe many cans, but I've put enough in the fire to know there's nothing left

tight yacht
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there are youtube videos if it, its pretty common

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its not like the fire is destroying it on an elemental level lol, you can definitely capture the aluminum

regal spoke
tight yacht
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but again, you need flux to pull out the impurities or it looks gross and not like the shiny metal you would expect

livid widget
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That's what I said above. Maybe it doesn't melt it, but it certainly breaks it down to dust

tight yacht
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if you just throw a can in the fire with nothing else itll turn into what looks like sludge

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but if you get the fire hot enough and add flux to it and skim off the impurities, itll be a nice shiny metal you can pour into an ingot

regal spoke
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Sounds like chemistry. Or is it still physics asking for a friend

tight yacht
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this is basic material science you learn in year 1 of any engineering profession lol

livid widget
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I've never found a clump of aluminum from a can tossed into a camp fire. I've looked.;

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It breaks down to nothing. But what is the point of this. Probably time to move on to a new subject.

tight yacht
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i mean idk what to tell you, its there. go look it up on youtube, dont take my word for it. forging things out of cans is very common

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a fire isnt destroying matter, that would be literal magic

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"breaks down to nothing"...um thermodynamics? conservation of mass? lol

livid widget
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I said it turns to dust.

tight yacht
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and that dust is aluminum, mixed with crud from the can like plastic and glue and ink

livid widget
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Is dust not matter? It's indistinguisable from the ash.

strange arrow
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tonight at the forge:

outer spindle
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There's not a lot of aluminium in 1 can, why else do you think it can be crushed so flat.

tight yacht
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when you say its indistinguishable i hope you mean it looks the same, and arent saying its literally turning into wood ash

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because yes itll look like a white chalky substance but there is definitely aluminum in it

noble cargo
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spears don't return if you throw them right?

sonic sundial
noble cargo
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ty

regal spoke
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Pro tip. Throw at melee range

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It lands back in your inventory

noble cargo
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that's actually kinda wild

fossil delta
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Every spear should be a harpoon.

idle moon
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then chitin would be pointless

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and don't talk to me about knives

noble cargo
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like, imagine some dude throws a spear at you, point blank, then rips it out, puts it in his pack, then takes it back out and throws it AGAIN

fossil delta
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Im fine with that, if I never have to go hunt for a spear I want to actually use at range.

livid widget
noble cargo
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could always tie ropes to the spears like whalers did with harpoons

fossil delta
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Thats essentially what I am suggesting.

pliant hatch
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Imagine that happening in RL.
You throw a coke can in the trash bin, turn around and the thing ends up in your back pocket........

idle moon
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I've always found spears kind of underwhelming

livid widget
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Technically it's not "burning", but it basically turns it to dust

noble cargo
tight yacht
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maybe you cant find it, but its there

noble cargo
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some video of a guy DRAGGING a sea serpent onto land so he could kill it

tight yacht
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this isnt even opinion, this is just basic math at this point

sonic sundial
fossil delta
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Yeah, thats the in game harpoon.

outer spindle
tight yacht
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aluminum melt at 1200, fire get to 1400. 1200 less than 1400. math

livid widget
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Aluminum melts around 1200.

tight yacht
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if you dont "believe" that then idk what to tell you

fossil delta
merry sun
livid widget
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It's not even believing, it's just semantics over what is "burning"

tight yacht
strange arrow
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or what the byproduct left from said burning, is

noble cargo
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well in that case spears and harpoons should just be the same thing, if not the spears are being used more like javelins then actual infantry spears

tight yacht
noble cargo
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and putting a rope on them would just make them the harpoons the game already has

sonic sundial
livid widget
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You can take a campfire above 1200

tight yacht
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so if aluminum melts at 1200, and a campfire goes above that...that means..?

sonic sundial
strange arrow
pliant hatch
regal spoke
tight yacht
noble cargo
sonic sundial
livid widget
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Also, the world is flat.

regal spoke
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Pole arm enters the chat

noble cargo
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imagine throwing a pole arm

livid widget
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So there's no reason to think the blast furnace won't burn metals

noble cargo
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some dude just THROWS a halberd

vale dust
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throws axe

pliant hatch
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Javelin's are short spears, intended to be thrown.
The one we have in Valheim is more intended to be used to stab, kinda like the Phalanx the Ancient Greek used.
Or the way the Romans used their spears, meaning from behind a shield wall and stabbing anything that comes in front of it.

strange arrow
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also known as pikes

sonic sundial
noble cargo
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pikes are legit, a massive wall of dudes with super long pointy sticks is scary af

pliant hatch
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Pikes were somewhat (ahem) longer, but had the same intention as the spear, yes.
And they were made longer to make sure the other guy's spears couldn't reach you before your spears reached them

tight yacht
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i always thought the ones in this game were more like javelins or pilums

idle moon
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wouldn't be scary to all the pierce resistant mobs in the endgame

tight yacht
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an actual pike is like 12 feet long and super unwieldy

noble cargo
vale dust
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short to long, javelin, spear, pike

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spear is like the multi-tool used for both methods

regal spoke
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Spear in Valheim is kinda like a naganaki imo

strange arrow
tight yacht
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just based on the wiki it seems like the distinction between spear and pike is whether you can use it with 1 hand

regal spoke
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Seems fair

vale dust
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i just think of pikemen from legends

tight yacht
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all the poky bits in this game are 1 handed right? except atgeir?

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atgeir is more a halberd anyways

vale dust
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you can stab with the dagger

noble cargo
pliant hatch
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Considering pikes were up to 6m (20 ft) long, I'm quite sure they were thicker the closer you got to the end where you hold it.

You might check google (wiki) for "Landknechten".
Those were pretty famous pikemen from Germany during the 16th century.

tight yacht
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yeah pike was more of a unit type weapon...you arent dueling people 1v1 with a pike lol

strange arrow
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serious pieces of field kit

tight yacht
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more like standing with 40 other dudes making a wall with them

vale dust
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i think forged in fire showed the making of pikes

pliant hatch
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As for Javelins, iirc the English used Javelin throwing cavalry in their army for scouting and harrasing routed troops.

strange arrow
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something to throw at the stragglers

noble cargo
tight yacht
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best weapon for killing at a distance until the mongols came along

vale dust
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go play stronghold legends

noble cargo
tight yacht
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hard to go wrong with a long pointy stick

vale dust
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they have pikemen in the game

strange arrow
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Romans used them in shield wall formations to great efficiency

pliant hatch
regal spoke
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Pikes would seem good for charging lines of horse bound cavalry

vale dust
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they are the frontline defense against horseback

pliant hatch
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And the best quote when you send macemen on patrol: "Walk backwards and forwards over and over again. Right!"

strange arrow
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pikes were usually solid wood with no metal iirc, and spears usually had metal tips

noble cargo
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if i'm remembering correctly, the mongols were the only group of people to ever conquer russia, aside from, y'know, the russians.

tight yacht
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does anyone have an animal pen in this game with livestock up to lox they could post a pic of in building screenshots?

tight yacht
vale dust
pliant hatch
strange arrow
fossil delta
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Is there still a key that opens a window to show us our skills and their progression? If so, whats the frikkin key?

strange arrow
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but i keep the pens separate

tight yacht
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they even trashed some people they didnt really even mean to, like hungary and russia and poland lol

noble cargo
regal spoke
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My lox pens are ugly raised earth boxes

pliant hatch
tight yacht
pliant hatch
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It actually says "skills" when you put your mouse over it

strange arrow
fossil delta
pliant hatch
#

Yw.

tight yacht
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can yall post some pics of what these pens look like, i need to get an idea of how big to make mine for boar and lox

strange arrow
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and they like to clown stack and escape any enclosure

fossil delta
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Totally forgot about those in the inventory window.

strange arrow
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for my lox breeder i chose an entire plains as the breeding area

livid widget
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It needs to be big enough to hold lox

noble cargo
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i hate that the pickaxe is locked behind an antler, like srsly wtf?

fossil delta
azure yacht
fossil delta
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What can be weird in a completely magical world?

vale dust
# tight yacht why is this?

the lox will break the pen 10/10 times because some random event or a deathsquito or a greydwarfs cousin. better to have a pit or earth wall

fossil delta
noble cargo
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our badass viking can cut down huge trees with literal sticks and stones, but rocks? nah fam we nedz magik fo dat

fossil delta
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You need bronze to do certain trees, but yeah, its magic, so doesn't have to make sense. 😄

slender rover
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My lox pen is an artificial island inside the raised earth of my artificial island base, lol.

Even planted a birch in there for them and some grass

strange arrow
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nice

azure yacht
slender rover
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And yes they still congregate in the corners, stack up, and occasionally try to escape.

Wish the devs would adjust that AI

strange arrow
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making a lox safe area is real effort whichever way you tackle it

regal spoke
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For sure

azure yacht
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But a stone pickaxe mining copper and tin? Barnacles from a giant sea beast? Idk

noble cargo
fossil delta
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Depending on where you put your lox pen, you may also have to worry about squittos going in and killing them.

azure yacht
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There is a stone pickaxe in the game, but you can only obtain it via devcommands.

They definitely decided to lock mining behind the first boss

noble cargo
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not even for the copper, but for regular rocks

regal spoke
azure yacht
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But the first boss can be killed in like 10 days or less

slender rover
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Stone picks aren't really a thing. Stone hammers, yes. But their efficiency isn't great because their hardness and brittleness is on par with the material being broken

noble cargo
azure yacht
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I'm sure the antlers of a lightning/thunder deer god are much better than simple stone

strange arrow
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more like the god of sparks...

noble cargo
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we made hamburgers damn it

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show some respect

idle moon
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I could see a stone pickaxe that you could use to dig with and maybe hit boulders, but wouldn't work on copper/tin

regal spoke
noble cargo
azure yacht
tight yacht
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is it worth trying to ride the lox

strange arrow
azure yacht
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Right now you pretty much rush eikthyr because of the pickaxe

livid widget
vale dust
slender rover
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A stone tool you dig with is called a hoe.

A stone tool you hit rocks with is a hammer.

A pick has a specific shape that stone really isn't suited for (while maintaining integrity)

tight yacht
strange arrow
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oh my xD

tight yacht
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take the L guy

livid widget
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Does that sound like molten metal to you?

tight yacht
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idk what your point is here lol, you are just proving you have no concept of basic material science

regal spoke
idle moon
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guess we're back to metallurgy

tight yacht
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stop trying, its making it worse

livid widget
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That's right.

tight yacht
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thats an article that says things can exist in the states of matter...wow, you uh...really got me there

strange arrow
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xD

tight yacht
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truly one of the articles of all time

strange arrow
#

slam dunk fr

tight yacht
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1+1=2, checkmate

idle moon
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you get a campfire at 4500F and you could boil Aluminium

strange arrow
#

i need more tea

tight yacht
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bro dont come in here with numbers, i believe what i see

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and i aint never SEEN boiling aluminum so i chose not to BELIEVE it can happen

noble cargo
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"You see, the vacuum of space is the only place the revolutionary metal known as Gundanium could be mined and worked therefore..."

azure yacht
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They even made an entire anime out of it called Mobile Suit Gundam

tight yacht
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documentary you mean

livid widget
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I just reiterate that the world is flat tho. And there's magic. And sea serpents. And a giant tree in the sky.

noble cargo
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Mobile Suit Aluminum

livid widget
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Realism doesn't seem to be the aim of the game

tight yacht
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forged in the fires of mount campfire

noble cargo
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"Destroy the can!" "...No..."

livid widget
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Ah, great example of a metal burning!

tight yacht
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hes serious too lol, thats the funny part

noble cargo
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were rafts in the game when it first came out? I don't remember them

livid widget
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^ this guy obv not camping much

tight yacht
vale dust
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yes orez

noble cargo
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jeez, i must have been blind af

vale dust
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but everyone died the first time on it lmao

tight yacht
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and now, as they were then, they are garbo

vale dust
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it was tragic

tight yacht
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almost never worth making unless you absolutely have no other choice

noble cargo
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or your red blood relishes a challenge, COME AT ME BEAST

vale dust
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back in the day, we played games without a wiki or youtube, so i played valheim the same and it was a long road learning stuff lol

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but all the more enjoyable

tight yacht
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you make it sound like valheim was out before the internet was available lol

vale dust
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i mean to sound like its a playstyle

tight yacht
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had to read the Prima guide to Valheim

livid widget
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immersion

tight yacht
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all the devcommand cheats were in the appendix

noble cargo
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sometimes blind is better, more organic then-

"TOP TEN VALHEIM TRICKS AND TIPS YOU NEED TO KNOW BEFORE PLAYING!!!!1111"

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or some other cancer

tight yacht
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oh the modern internet is awful and its only going to get worse with more AI trash

vale dust
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i love watching those after the fact and am always like dang thats true lol

tight yacht
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but thats not valheim so w/e

regal spoke
livid widget
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How did you think I knew metal can burn. Chat GPT told me

noble cargo
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omg, not the real life gameshark XD

azure yacht
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Just spawned the stone pickaxe and it's apparently completely functional, can mine rocks and even terraform

tight yacht
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there is a stone pickaxe?

noble cargo
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jk

vale dust
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i prefer the mud pickaxe over the stone one

azure yacht
tight yacht
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ah ok

noble cargo
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blackmagic

tight yacht
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maan idk bout this lox pen...are they even worth breeding

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this seems like a lot of space to dedicate to them

noble cargo
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do they taste good?

vale dust
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they taste sooooo goood

noble cargo
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if so, then yes

vale dust
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literally pie

verbal radish
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Good food for plain and mistland

vale dust
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lox meat pie is very sustainable

regal spoke
noble cargo
strange arrow
vale dust
regal spoke
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Them taters soaking up all the flavor

strange arrow
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well unless you put the breeder over Yag's altar

verbal radish
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The annoying part is building lox breeding pen and hopefully they not destroy the entire structure because they sense 1 greyling on the other side of trench...

vale dust
noble cargo
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this chat is slowly becoming pagan, and I approve

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bring our best lox for sacrifice

regal spoke
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Harnessing the power of water would be cool

noble cargo
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can't we make moats?

vale dust
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yes!

strange arrow
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was the water god one of the safe ones? or one of the ones that wanted to kill us all 😅

vale dust
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you must build by the sea and make it below sea level or by a lake

noble cargo
vale dust
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so when does the true north get developed and will there be a yeti?

livid widget
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I just relocated a friends portal to the very edge of the highest mountain cliff I could find.

tight yacht
regal spoke
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Boar

idle moon
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if there is a yeti, it'll be pierce resistant

strange arrow
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chickens too

tepid prawn
noble cargo
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so, Necks are NOT Kappas...right?

tight yacht
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i guess since i am already in the plains the lox should be easy to hunt

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and good weapon training...making a pen will take up too much space

strange arrow
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even easier to kite to a village or tar pit

tight yacht
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i wont be able to ride them though right

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is that worth making a pen for it alone?

strange arrow
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tame+saddle for that

regal spoke
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If a lox burns in the Ashland's. Does it drop cooked lox meat

tepid prawn
strange arrow
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it's fun to have a rider lox

tight yacht
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yeah i just spam arrows at them with fenrir set, they never touch me

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i was thinking more about the availability of lox meat for cooking, less actually hunting them as a challenge

tight yacht
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or any tamed lox basically requires a pen of some kind

strange arrow
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you'll get endless mats from them taking packs to villages/pits

tight yacht
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taking wild lox to those spots you mean? ones you aggro yourself?

regal spoke
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I enjoy raising lox. For a community it can definitely have benefit

strange arrow
idle moon
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benefit of destroying your base when you get raided

tight yacht
tepid prawn
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I have a lox pen with about 40 lox in it

vale dust
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kill, marry, engage in relations : Troll, Morgen, Abomination ready GO!

regal spoke
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I let the build process be organic based on needs at the time. Helps knowing what's next I suppose

tight yacht
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yes, this one was organic. but i need a pen now i think lol

verbal radish
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When i break down the fortress inner tower gate , put a throne inside and sit down , i feel like i become the Litch king like in warcraft.

tight yacht
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will stone work well to hold lox in?

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or it deadass needs to be raised ground to avoid any kind of pathing or damage

vale dust
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loz and fuelings will break through stone

foggy glacier
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you definitely need earth.

paper marsh
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Stone works fine

vale dust
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when you get to the mistlands, theres a material there that works very well

paper marsh
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Never had my lox break their stone pen

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Granted I didn't let any enemies near to freak them out. If you let enemies wander by the pens, stone will likely get destroyed pretty quick

vapid pollen
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so when is magic gonna get a buff because the ashlands staves are absolute dogshit

teal tiger
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I've heard Dead Raiser + Protection on Elder is the way to go for leveling Blood Magic. Is that still true? How does it work, if so?

vale dust
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max dead raiser plus max protection, go to swamp at night and kill everything, easy blood magic lvls

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let the skeletons put that work in

idle moon
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I will hear of no disparagement of the Trollstav!

teal tiger
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Good stuff, thank you!

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I'm assuming it levels when they kill stuff and when their bubbles pop?

vale dust
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yeah

vapid pollen
vale dust
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just keep using the protection on them

teal tiger
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Thank you 🙂

idle moon
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Trollstav is the best item in the game

paper marsh
vapid pollen
vale dust
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all i want is my chain lightning staff like thor promised

paper marsh
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Didn’t like hell divers

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But ember staff vs literally any other weapon in mistlands isn’t even a competition

teal tiger
vapid pollen
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its not just that theyre ineffective and suck, its that the staves themselves are utterly uninspired except the trollstav, staff of the wild may as well just not do anything, clusterbomb is just a fireball staff but worse at a core conceptual level. and dundr is, why would i pick dundr over literally any other weapon

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trollstav atleast has its niche and it fits even if its inconsistent

idle moon
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There is that one super crappy ultra useless Ashlands staff

vale dust
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that dern lightning double barrel takes too long to reload, its like funny that it works that way but reloading a staff lmao, wtf devs

idle moon
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Fragmenting whatever staff

vapid pollen
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thats the clusterbomb staff, utterly fucking useless

idle moon
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yeah I can't argue that one, it's as crappy as the Trollstav is awesome

vale dust
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i found a very effective build for running mage and melee

tight yacht
azure yacht
teal horizon
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Yeah I was disappointed by that one. Eitr is such a commitment in play style that I feel magic should be pretty strong, also supports other physical fighters well. Sad to hear most of the ash ones aren't exciting people late game

paper marsh
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Tbh I find the Ashlands staves pretty unique. Other than fracturing being ehh

vapid pollen
azure yacht
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But a true one

paper marsh
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It’s a pretty common take

vapid pollen
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i disagree, especially in ashlands. they deliberately made magic better in mistlands with seeker resistances i grant you but thats a problem with seekers not magic

vale dust
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i rock staff of protection, ice staff, lightning sword with flametal shield, flam helm, and new magic robe top and bottom, with that iron cape

idle moon
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they need to stop making everything pierce resistant

teal horizon
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Protection is obvious. Embers is strong. I probably die more when bubble pops than my melee friends

azure yacht
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They should actually make more things pierce resistant...

teal tiger
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Magic early in the game would be cool so it doesn't feel so weird switching to it so late in the game. Like even simple weak fireballs or something early on. Also Eitr being locked behind food kinda sucks. Even if we had shite Eitr without food like we have shite baseline stam.

azure yacht
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Ranged is too op, imagine dealing tons of damage with little danger while all the fun is into close fights

azure yacht
vale dust
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magic should get unlocked in the swamp with like the fireball staff and the dead raiser

vapid pollen
azure yacht
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Magic breaks combat way too much as to add it to early game.

A stage where half the enemies are weak to at least one element

teal horizon
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I feel like the staves should exist introduced one at a time from black forest onward but get like one level a biome max, some times zero

azure yacht
teal tiger
vale dust
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staff of wilds after killing elder

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fire staff after yagluth, ice staff after moder

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some of this stuff does make sense and could work for magic early

azure yacht
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Being able to paralyze enemies with little effort? That definitely doesn't sound balanced

idle moon
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maybe if they give the staff of fracturing thing in black forest it might be a little bit useful

vale dust
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staff of wilds could gain abilities as it levels

azure yacht
teal tiger
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Anyways. Magic would be cool early on, but like I said, if it was weak.

vale dust
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they should make a generic magic staff after elder then, that does magic damage

teal horizon
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Yeah. I do think the reveal without looking up spoilers that you're a wizard now in mistland was cool and good. But learning how it works with the difficulty spike and rarity of black cores was rough

vapid pollen
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im hearing staff of the wilds got its CC buffed which actually does make it somewhat useful now

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id rather use the eitr on more damage though

verbal radish
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"Got"?

teal tiger
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My problem with it being withheld until late in the game is that I already feel committed to a certain playstyle, as I'm sure a fair share of other players feel when they're in the endgame. If it was balanced accordingly and available early on, it would be fun to progress through the majority of the game with that playstyle.

verbal radish
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Just the matter of adapting.Going hybrid mage-warrior is fun

noble cargo
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you can bow hunt fish right?

idle moon
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that's kind of the way I feel a lot of the time, by the time I get to mistlands I don't really feel like giving up what I've already invested so much in

vale dust
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negative

noble cargo
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blasphemy

vale dust
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agreed

teal horizon
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I think my sadness is mostly leveling all the skills takes hundreds of hours unless you macro something

spare dragon
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Quick question; Is there any merit to mining around copper like you would silver or do you net the same amount from just mining it from the surface?

vale dust
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my sadness is seeing my deathcount in the ashlands and all the skills gone

vale dust
idle moon
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if you do it right you can sometimes pop the upper portion of copper veins

spare dragon
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I've never tried top mining because I was told that you don't yield as much

vale dust
teal tiger
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It's just about making sure you get all of the vein.

vale dust
azure yacht
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Magic is powerful af so it should remain as a late game only thing.

vale dust
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they could add it the same way you go from forge to black forge

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if i can make a portal, then sir i can put a surtling core on a stick lol

regal spoke
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I think progression has felt pretty good

fossil delta
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I wish they never added magic. Granted, it made a lot of fans happy, and it doesn't ruin anything for me. So I guess its win/win.

vapid pollen
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idk how people can this that opinion

paper marsh
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Much stronger than Ashlands melee weapons

vapid pollen
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at the end of the day this is a survival rpg it should not be so strictly balanced

vapid pollen
fossil delta
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Technically magic has always been part of the game. Especially since Swamps and the surtling fireballs, then the plains shaman, but I was fine with magical creatures having magic and not me. I'm a viking. Vikings don't do magic like that.

regal spoke
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Portals are magic. But the premise of magic weapons was off putting to me.

vapid pollen
fossil delta
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Yeah, that too, but at least its on par with the kind of runic magics of the Nordic legends.

paper marsh
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I’m not too into immersing myself into the world of the game and magic isn’t off putting to me. I find it very fun conceptually, but it’s just way overturned which makes it feel kinda boring and scummy at times to use

regal spoke
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Ok so why not cast spells. Or is that what the staves are technically used for

paper marsh
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Like my problem with magic is the same as my problem with bows

regal spoke
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I'd like to see more bombs. Chemistry magic ftw

paper marsh
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I wish smoke bombs had a cool use

regal spoke
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I get you Snail

vapid pollen
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i just dont find it to be as overtuned as you say, there is alot of ranged damage and fliers that come at you with your low HP

regal spoke
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Frost bomb plz

paper marsh
# vapid pollen i just dont find it to be as overtuned as you say, there is alot of ranged damag...

Basically the upsides of magic is that you get to stay at range and slow/knockback enemies so they never get to you and you basically never take damage. Add to that that they do hella damage in most biomes and good damage in Ashlands, they're just very strong.

The one downside that people mention is being squishy, but it's really the opposite because being able to spam staff of protection practically makes you tankier than a melee build. And staff of protection also doesn't rely on armor and resistances, so you're free to focus tyour armor on other perks like eitr regen or my personal favorite: Speed

regal spoke
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Define speed

fossil delta
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Probably the Fenris armor bonus.

regal spoke
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Good call

vapid pollen
ornate sigil
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I believe a patch note mentioned smoke bombs being designed as a fire extinguisher. The thought of frost bombs is appealing.

vocal rivet
regal spoke
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I was like attack speed and strong weapons

paper marsh
# regal spoke Define speed

Speed and freedom at which one moves. Could be movement speed like from fenris set, jump height from feather cape, unlocking new paths through featherfall, getting bursts of momentum from catapults, or even hitching a ride on a friendly neighborhood drake

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Personally I quite like that knives impact your movement a lot with the secondary attack

regal spoke
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I want to see Snail going full riders of pern

paper marsh
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It's funny that I'm a snail but in games I typically favor movement more than anything else

fossil delta
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I do LOVE having my run and jump at 100. Of course, just getting close is kind of crazy already. (60+ range)

regal spoke
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Snail go meep-meep

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Yea all those things I favor as well. Speed helps bursty lil dashes and stamina management

fossil delta
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Yep. Part of why I decided to stop using the dodge roll. With how fast I can end up moving and jumping, I don't really need to use the dodge roll.

regal spoke
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All while being able to have decent hp

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If only dash had i-frames

fossil delta
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Its also why I have no problems using heavy armors and the tower shield. I won't even try to run with the shield out/equipped, but using the R button to put it on my back, etc... I am mobile enough, and can run like the wind.

regal spoke
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IMHO this is the best valheim

fossil delta
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Its how I choose to play, so for me, it is.

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One of the great things about Valheim, is all the choices you can make that affect your game play.

regal spoke
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I continue to grow in the game as the years got on

fossil delta
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Best thing for me is my wife loves this game. So its a game we have spent 2000+ hours playing together. There is no other game she has liked like this.

outer spindle
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Putting on the Ask set and Ashsvin cloak makes people think I am speed hacking lol.

I might try grinding swimming and seeing if it makes me faster than ships.

elfin rivet
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Heyo! Just messing around with controller. Seeing if I can do some big screen Valheim chillin!

Anyways, Question:
Is there a way to move while map or inventory is open?
Like the souls games and other console games you move with the stick while navigating menus with the dpad.

fossil delta
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Pretty sure thats been tested as a no, never happens.

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Meaning the swimming versus a boats speed.

fossil delta
elfin rivet
paper marsh
noble cargo
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so how far out to sea do i have to go before a serpent decides to eat my face?

fossil delta
fossil delta
noble cargo
fossil delta
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Raining at night gives the highest chance.

elfin rivet
fossil delta
noble cargo
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ok, that's what i needed to know, ty

fossil delta
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But during a nice sunny day, no serpents.

livid widget
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Didn't think boat could flip in the ocean

fossil delta
ornate sigil
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Capsizing is a real thing in game.

livid widget
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Yes. Unfortunate.

fossil delta
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Max speed in a bad storm with the Karve is probably the "easiest" way to do it.

tight yacht
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does capsizing kill your boat?

fossil delta
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In effect, yes. I cannot recall if your able to push it with another boat. Its been years since I last did it.

ornate sigil
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Effectively, yes. Not sure you can really flip it right-side up without cheating.

fossil delta
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Are we able to push it when capsized? With another boat? I cannot recall.

ornate sigil
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Haven't tried before, but I would imagine so since the hitbox doesn't disappear. But how effectively you can push it is another matter.

fossil delta
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I think I gave up on it. But its probably been 3+ years since I last had to deal with it.

short plover
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has anyone made a battering ram to go through charred fortress game?

ornate sigil
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Ya, I barely consider karves to be ocean worthy. A quick dip or passing though, sure but in a storm? I'm hitting shallows ASAP.

spare dragon
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yeah it works on walls too from the damage I was getting

tight yacht
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ive never felt like my karve was close to dying in a storm

short plover
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gate*

tight yacht
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usually i love storms because they speed you up when sailing

spare dragon
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Great for mining Grausten lol

fossil delta
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The Karve does well enough as long as you don't go max. Still a ton of bouncing, but you stay afloat.

tight yacht
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ive been max with it, i guess just keep the waves coming head on?

fossil delta
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Honestly, I don't know why my Karve flipped. I just know it was in a very rough storm. Then all of a sudden, crazy spinning, I'm in the water, and my Karve is upside down.

tight yacht
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that sucks...did the boat get destroyed or was it just upside down unable to be boarded?

fossil delta
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Thats what I am trying to remember. This happened over 3 years ago. I think I gave up on recovering it.

tight yacht
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brutal

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hopefully not full of ore or other hard to earn things

fossil delta
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No, I would have at least destroyed it if that was the case. Arrows can destroy a Karve, and Longboat.

ornate sigil
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Or an axe, they are wood after all.

fossil delta
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Don't know if I could have gotten a workable position on the Karve with an axe.