👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

[placid plinth]

We make adjustments each season and the length of the season has a big impact.

increased frenzy effect

[delicate osprey]

no you misunderstood me, you revealed the content of season 4 quite early before the actual trailer came out. Where you revealed the new roadmap and your plans for it

[sweet iris]

Also on that note, out of sheer curiosity if you can share it, is there any particular dificulty or pain with the upscalers or any particular reason on why its not something thats been focused on despite the unity update?

[placid plinth]

no, I knew what you meant.

[placid plinth]

I'm sorry, I'm not really part of the tech team so I don't have personal insight into it. More on the design side of things these days.

[sweet iris]

Gotcha, fair enough

[delicate osprey]

ok sry, read your answer twice now. i am the one who misunderstood

[vital shard]

if I remember correctly we got them 1 day before season 3

[crude plover]

6 days

(15/08 vs 21/08)

[marble socket]

Is there already any press kit material for season 4 available to download? Or at least the season logo with a transparent background?

[pine chasm]

Not yet, what they have out currently is here: https://lastepoch.com/media
Last season, it wasn't updated until pretty close to launch iirc (maybe 1-2 weeks out?)

[marble socket]

Thanks, Father. I checked this link.

[fallen hatch]

Just as a FYI for everyone about Steam regional pricing issues: Got the response from EHG member, they cannot influence regional pricing in any way so we can only wait for Steam to step in. Just so you know Mike, the rest of EHG squad and y'all folks who would be interested in it.

[uncut yoke]

I own the game on Steam and have purchased every supporter pack, I’m going to buy the game on PS5 as well as all my friends are console gamers. Will my supporter pack purchases carry over? I don’t mind buying supporter packs to keep the game going but not twice. I have a bunch of PS5 ARPG friends excited for the game, thanks.

[inner quest]

That would be nice, and is technically possible if EHG follows Sony's Cross-Platform Revenue Share Agreement. Unfortunately it's not trivial to implement and somewhat risky for smaller developers. Only three games have actually bothered to jump through the hoops required as far as I'm aware: Fortnite, Call of Duty, and Genshin Impact.

[vital shard]

shouldn't there be cross platform play?

[crude plover]

Not necessarily

We haven't had any confirmation as far as I know

[late wasp]

Is there anything in the works as far as new class / subclass?

[crude plover]

As far as normal classes/masteries nothing has been announced. But alongside the (free for previous users) orobyss expansion which is set to release after season 5 currently there will be a paid class dlc for a "paradox class" which we have yet to see any details for.

[placid plinth]

Yes, but it's going to be quite a while still.

[long merlin]

Last stream's teasers were pretty beefy and amazing... do you hink you can top that level today? 😁

[uncut yoke]

Can’t cosmetics unlock on the account so it doesn’t matter where it’s purchased? I think that would solve all issues. Plus I would be willing to buy on whatever platform EHG wants including their own website if need be. I like supporting the game but no way am I buying packs twice.

[inner quest]

The problem is Sony wants a cut of all sales. If you bought a bunch of DLC for Last Epoch outside of Sony's store, the only way EHG could get you access to that DLC on the PS5 version would essentially be by forking over 30% of the money they got from you, to Sony. The actual implementation is much more convoluted than this; that's just the executive summary description. You can probably imagine why companies are reluctant to do this.

[uncut yoke]

There’s no way to just bind those things to the account? Even if it shows on other platforms that I don’t have the DLCs but still had access to those MTX? Something along those lines? Just spitballing here.

[inner quest]

Sony literally will not allow exactly what you're describing. Either they get their cut, or your game isn't allowed on their platform.

[uncut yoke]

That stinks but the other problem is guys like me who did buy all those packs. There’s no incentive for me to buy more. I’m going to buy the game on PS5 but if the stuff I already bought isn’t there then I won’t buy more.

[static birch]

Are devs able to tell me about the current state of burning forest type echoes? There's a very severe performance hit when playing this specific type of map.

[crude plover]

Locust swarm itself actually does have all the relevant tags such as poison and DoT, I guess you guys just forgot to include the "false" tags on swarm strike to indicate that its inherent sub-skill scales with them

But yeah those cannot be dodged and cannot crit flags are haunting still. Seems like some other old skills like black hole also have the cannot crit flag but not the cannot be dodged flag.

It also deals melee damage over time which is niche but not unique, so I'll let it pass

[final cave]

So for real, do groles get dandruff?

[eternal zinc]

Don't interested in #1 mtx but #2 mtx looks awesome

[eternal zinc]

#2 mtx is a floating galaxy orb pet?

[red urchin]

Shadow Rend traversal can go up to 7 meters, can you share how many meters Shift goes by default so I have a point of reference?

[jaunty dune]

does the aoe of thicket of blinding light get increased by increased area of effect modifiers? kinda hard to test because there's no animation

[sweet iris]

Its shiny me like it where can i buy

[vast arch]

Finally some great MTX. Keep cooking

[placid plinth]

I think shift is 3 or 4

[placid plinth]

I think it isn't at the moment.

This is the issue with answering questions in here confined to a rocking chair.

[hollow agate]

Hello
It is good to know that dancing strike had the rework it needed. That open interesting new build idea. I am excited about it.

Net has exactly the same limitation as dancing strike due to movespeed that prevent fast use of the skill.
When you stack throwing attack speed, you can't use net as much as the throwing attack speed should enable because movespeed limit its use. As it is very similar to dancing strike, can we hope that you made a global rework for all skill that has similar problem ? Is net bug corrected too ?

[pine dome]

Hi Mike, during the stream the topic of big hitting skills being bad for ailments and you mentioned that all the suggestions you have seen and discussed have major holes in them.
I wonder where the holes is in getting the numbers of ailments applied be multiplied by the added dmg effect of a skill.
Could you shed some light on it ?

[hollow agate]

Throwing trap skill usually works with shift boost damage or scissors of Atropos weaver sword (explosive trap and net function). Why did you make an exception of decoy that doesn't benefit from shift node nor scissor?

[subtle cave]

I love the fact that I can play last epoch on a gamepad. Are there any Updates coming with regards to how targeting works for specific skills? It would be nice if one could go into the gameplay settings to customize how the targeting of a specific skill works, rather than having to invest into a skill tree. For example summoning a totem at a fixed distance in a certain direction or targeting minions over enemies in a certain direction etc.. things that are possible using a mouse and keyboard but aren’t on the pad.

[worn flax]

will there be ||chapter 11||?
because everyone kinda ||forgot about spear and emperor thing||

[crude plover]

If you're asking about next season then no. But if you're asking in general then yes, there will be 12 chapters total

[worn flax]

I hope I'll be able to ||romance Forgotten Knight|| and stuff like that

[fleet galleon]

I'm afraid the ||romance|| is left for ||Love Epoch||

[sturdy ridge]

Hi mike , you said there were powerful shaman builds and I would like to know what they are. Also shaman related , shaman hasnt gotten a new unique since 0.8.2 and needs a lot of love and shouldnt be put in the backburner

[worn flax]

I wonder if Forgotten Knight is ||that woman from chapter 1|| or at least ||Yulia|| which ||manged to Vlad Tepes the emperor whoever that was and bail out||

[fleet galleon]

||no||

[worn flax]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TW8Ma1a8ZsZ8I

anyway, hope the guy forgot his name will get more screen time because he's only one without Monster Hunter syndrome

[fossil dune]

I'm like 90% sure Forgotten Knight is not plot relevant at all because it's confirmed she was just put in as a reference to an old design of Sentinel

[final cave]

Dearest Mike. Please consult with Dearest Kyle to establish the truth regarding the forgotten knight. The Discord heartthrob gang must know.

[plucky kiln]

Node that have cooldowns, is affected by cooldown recovery?

[crude plover]

She is relevant in the orobyss plot tbf. But not the grand scheme campaign one

[crude plover]

No

[worn flax]

I wish we could save I forgot his name Ostrix general

[final cave]

Orian (haruspex?)

[worn flax]

yeah

since he has own soundtrack, I felt he should play bigger part in the plot

[final cave]

Devs, gladly provide confirmation that Orian is the emperor. Thanks.

[pine chasm]

tbf, Orobyss is the grand scheme campaign plot

[tall kettle]

Any idea with echo chains if it's going to affect how imprints for the echo rewards works?

[last marlin]

Is the new class coming out with this season? I didnt say new class featuers. Im asking about an entirely new class

[crude plover]

No

[storm pine]

How is the potion drop chance calculated for boss fights, and how does it affect the chance if multiple potion slots are free? Does the number of free belt slots play a role?

[crude plover]

It only cares that you have at least one potion missing, it doesn't care how many are missing

It also cares about how many potions are already on the ground nearby

[pine chasm]

It does slightly care how many empty slots you have (slightly less chance to drop if the number of nearby potions on the ground can fill your belt), and there is a rate limit on bosses

[vague beacon]

When do we get s4 info like the new idol system new attributes etc?

[pine dome]

Roughly a week or two before the patch

[vague beacon]

Ok thanks

[hoary basalt]

Will S4 bring Wandering Spirits improvements?
cuz as flavour the ability is amazing, but it is horrendous to play.
Self stun.
Random damage allocation.
Self stun.
Horrendous damage scaling.
Self stun.
Items that support it don't actually make it in any way better nor change it's playstyle.
Also did I mention self stun?

[vital shard]

what self stun? when made into a channeling skil?
I would love to have it as an aura that actually is efficient

[hoary basalt]

that self stun, correct. and yeah an aura would be interesting, but i'd genuinely prefer it actually being channeled, as long as channeling actually provides me with benefits making the self stun worth while.

[opaque falcon]

Any chance one day we’d get an item completion menu similar to what was added into D2R recently? Would be really nice for completionists. Could have it show each item and highest LP found if applicable

[crude plover]

Any chance one day? Yes. If it's something you'd like to see please post it in the #suggestions channel

[placid plinth]

This is something we've been looking at doing for a while now. Just haven't quite found the right way and time to do it.

[quick mist]

Can I ask the devs about more varied themed spell effects for purchase I find I don't much care for any available for purchase.

[crude plover]

If you'd like to suggest some or just provide general feedback regarding it please do so in the #suggestions and #feedback channels

Nothing in this channel gets logged and looked at by the team

[faint terrace]

will there be weekly drops on the new stuff coming to the season leading up? i think the time to start hyping folks up is probably now

[verbal pine]

hype week is march 19th

we get teasers on friday

maybe we get something early. but i would count on daily stuff from march 19th

as per the offical trailer says

"Be sure to watch out for more updates regarding Season 4 Twitch Drops, New Supporter Packs, and our fantastic week of forums posts starting March 19th!"

[placid plinth]

We are adding more every season.

[placid plinth]

I don't have information on specific upcoming balance changes available here.

[tidal stratus]

Any eta for console release?

[crude plover]

Console release will happen at the same time the Orobyss expansion releases which will be after season 5 (season 4 comes out towards the end of this month)

there are no concrete dates yet

[tidal stratus]

so its more of end of year release then

[crude plover]

Yep, just depends on how long it is between s4 and s5 and then between s5 and the expansion

[placid plinth]

This year would be extremely ambitious

[deft perch]

It is good to set expectations, but at the same time if we take the roadmap as the plan, we have season 4 -> season 5 -> Orobyss Expansion - that would indicate that there's only two seasons for the entire year and more than likely Orobyss next year.
😬
Here's to hoping that gets updated and we can at least get 3 seasons in a year if we aren't getting Orobyss this year (or if it would be extremely ambitious).

[placid plinth]

The issue is specifically the console part of the release. The first time we release on console, it has to be submitted really really far ahead of time. I'm not sure on the exact timing but from what I understand from a friend who released a console game a couple years ago, if we wanted to get it out this year, we would have to be submitting LE:O before Season 5 comes out.

So completing 2 seasons in the time between S4 and S5 is probably unrealistic.

[deft perch]

Makes sense

[placid plinth]

Once we are in "update mode" on console, 3 in a year is much much more realistic.

And I'm kinda misrepresenting the time to complete LE:O in because some of us (myself included) have been working on it for a year now.

[deft perch]

Well, whatever the timing I'm still hyped for it. Thanks for explaining

[placid plinth]

me too 🙂 it's going to be a really great update and I'm very excited to get a few of my console only buddies to play

[pine dome]

Hi Mike, during the stream the topic of big hitting skills being bad for ailments was brought up and you mentioned that all the suggestions you have seen and discussed have major holes in them.
I wonder what are the holes in getting the numbers of ailments applied be multiplied by the added dmg effect of a skill.
Could you shed some light on it ?

[frank panther]

n^2 scaling is pretty high, or n+m scaling (you get ailment for free). tho i wonder about n+min(n,m)*c scaling?

[eternal zinc]

Any updates on more polish for controller UI in 1.4 or this part will not get chnaged until the expansion?

[placid plinth]

I don't really have a great explanation that I can give you. I may have come off a bit too resigned to it as an inevitability on stream. It is something that we are working on long term. One thing I can say is that most times that we have scaled things based on added damage multiplier, there ends up being certain skills which just ramp into infinity and others where very little changes and it feels kinda weird. It also ends up homogenizing builds even more because the things that are good at non-ailment damage end up being good at ailment damage and diversity goes down.

[placid plinth]

There are some controller improvements for 1.4.

[eternal zinc]

It'll interesting to use a xbox controller to play le because I never try that

[ember topaz]

Hi Mike,

In the previous dev stream you mentioned that EHG's "ideal" state for item factions is when players feel empowered to make the choice based on personal preference rather than one being stronger than the other. You expanded to say that faction balance was currently in a good state "because the players were choosing both at similar rates".

To me this conclusion feels inconsistent with previous justifications for balance changes which acknowledged that players tend to bias towards "optimizing the fun out of things". Eg. when XP scaling on corruption was nerfed back in LE 1.1.

In my mind, the relative "strength" and perceived "fun" of available options are two distinct but important factors that combine to determine choices made. Eg. if MG was (hypothetically) 20% stronger than COF, "Player 1" who finds COF 30% more fun than MG, may still play COF regardless because the extra enjoyment is worth the minor "efficiency" loss. Meanwhile "Player 2", who only finds COF 5% more fun, may decide MG is "worth it".

Last Epoch's origin traces back to a more solo focused game, with multiplayer being a fairly recent addition. I don't know for certain but I would wager that more than half of current LE players find COF more fun, and if that is true, it would indicate that faction choice equilibrium is maintained by a surplus of power acting as compensation for the on average less preferred faction.

Basically, when the preference gap widens, so too must the power gap to maintain an arbitrary equilibrium of choices made.

My question; For complex systems like item factions, how do you separate preference and power? Additionally, how do you determine when choices are being made based on power over preference, and at what point does a problem become apparent? Also, is it possible that a non equal selection of options may still indicate a reasonable balance state when other factors also play a role?

[placid plinth]

It's a lot of subjective factors. I think the relative split is a minor indicator of the quality of the split. I'm much more interested in the comments I see on reddit, discord, youtube comments and the forums than the actual percentage split. Personally I think if it was up to roughly about 70/30 in either direction that would probably be a good data indicator that it was ok and then if the feedback fit that narrative, that would make me happy. I think on that stream I went on to say that the best thing is if someone new shows up on reddit and asks which faction they should join and the answers are "do you like trade or not?" then that's a success. And that has always been the goal with the system right from the start.

I will concede that the subjective and anecdotal feedback on forums and such is very unreliable because you get such a small percentage of the player base being active in those situations. However, you do tend to get more players who are just going to pick the most powerful option regardless of experience so maybe it balances out if the split is closer to center.

The way decisions get made on it is in a big call with a bunch of designers/devs who debate it. The data and feedback each get "a seat at the table" but aren't something to follow blindly.

I think in both cases, what players ask for the most is QoL improvements. Things to make the mechanics more streamlined, interesting, engaging, thematic and fun. We do see requests for more power too but from where I'm sitting, that's a relatively quiet voice in general.

[ember topaz]

It would be interesting to get some insight into what those discussions look like and what is considered, and different perspectives on either side. I know I have my own biases, always good to hear others.

In a sense, I would argue that power and QoL are two sides of the same coin.

If the "less fun" faction becomes more fun it also needs less of a power handicap to be a viable choice to most people.

Even though I personally prefer COF, if MG received more QoL it would also make me more likely to play MG.

Thanks for the insight as always. Looking forward to the big faction changes in 1.5 ❤️

[placid plinth]

I would love to be able to share details but we actually just had a meeting on this and solidified a bunch of the things coming. They aren't implemented yet but I'm quite pleased with it. I'm not saying we will ever do this but I would love to do a retrospective of sorts. 10 years from now, GDC, I'm booking judd for a talk.

[eternal zinc]

Mike booking Judd for a talk? The same idea I have lol

But what I interested in is how he manage a team to let people 100% willing to follow him and how he know who is worth to be trusted (read people in a right way is the lesson every boss must learn)

[timid fjord]

How exactly does the Paladin's 'Sword of Rahyeh' threshold node work?
It reads 'Whenever you activate Holy Aura, it causes all of your ignite stacks on enemies in the Aura's area to deal 50% more damage (multiplicative with other modifiers)'

I'm not sure if it will instantly upon activation boost the current ignite stacks damage or if it is bound to the 4 second active effect which would makes all ignites in the next 4 seconds to gain the damage bonus?

And in the case it is the former option, can I gain the bonus multiple times if I manage to make ignite last long enough that I get to activate Holy Aura twice?

[crude plover]

should be the first option (affects already applied ignites once upon activation) and it should stack yes, going off of the wording alone that is. should be pretty straight forward to test at least the first part of it

[eternal zinc]

Mike, did you book a GDC talk of Judd 10 years but he still no respond for that?

[fleet galleon]

You don't book them this far ahead...

[eternal zinc]

Sorry, grammar error 🫡

It'll the best episode of meet the team I suppose

[placid plinth]

It was a bit of a joke that probably didn't translate well. I have no way of booking GDC talks.

[eternal zinc]

Even you book that with EHG's title (represent for a company)?

[placid plinth]

No, I can't do that.

[eternal zinc]

Oh checked what someone need for a gdc talk, it's make sense

[sturdy ridge]

Hey devs , thank you so very much for buffing wildfire embers. Well done

[verbal pine]

Could primordial set items be a thing? I asked cause i saw on a set item that cooldowns can only be lowered by set items with cooldown recovery

[inner quest]

Does the bot scraping the #feedback and #suggestions channel process players editing their messages or other players reactions (👍 /👎 /...)? I know Mike said it was a "very basic bot" (#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message) -- how basic are we talking, here? 😂

[placid plinth]

legends entwined is the only primordial item that can count as a set item

[plucky kiln]

Did we had dev Stream? o.O

[timid fjord]

last friday yes, if you are talking about the YT vod it was just added bit late

[sturdy ridge]

Hey Mike , any possibility of a press tour this march or no?

[zenith isle]

What yall league starting in Path of Exiles new league (if you have time to play)?

[brisk jackal]

Mike, could you clarify whether the per-attribute bonuses for Gaspar’s Set mentioned in Eterra Monthly are global or only apply to Decimate? tks

Gaspar’s Set (Gaspar’s Will, Acuity, Insight)
Reduced Decimate cooldown from 4 seconds to 3 seconds
Base radius increased by 15%
Added 4% Critical Strike Multiplier added per Attunement
Added 4% Critical Strike Chance per Intelligence

[opaque falcon]

If an item I have gets nerfed next season/update does it become legacy with pre nerf stats like poe

[fossil dune]

No, the only ones we have had have been non-unique/set items that had an affix replaced with a different affix when it got removed.

[opaque falcon]

Sad, okay thank you

[eternal zinc]

Mike don't have the access... You need to contract CM

[quaint holly]

Thoughts on letting liches to perma reaper form like druids are able with their shapeshifting ?

Ofcourse balanced accordingly, so probably nerfed. It's just that the endless ramping of health drain eventually overpowers all regen and leech and turns off.

The amount of times I died by reaper form just running out in last season was really annoying...

I'm sitting here planning a caster acolyte, and as much as lich is very appealing and strong, that whole "reaper running out, I must afk on a corner until its back up" gameplay is kinda cringe.

[vital delta]

Following that, is there any thoughts towards overhauling Reaper Form entirely? As it is it feels like a must have for any Lich or melee Acolyte since it's essentially just a massive passive boost to whatever playstyle you were already planning to do. I get the appeal of the "superpowered form for as long as you can maintain it", but not a fan of it feeling required - I want to play Flay, not reaper (I've given these thoughts in the feedback channel)

[eternal zinc]

I can 100% understand this point, quite unfortunately

[quaint holly]

Yeah nothing sucks more than occasionally dropping your tank and dps and in turn probably evaporating mid mob pack, so to counter this inevitable thing u gotta afk in a safe spot and repop reaper, it's just annoying, promotes bad gameplay.

[placid plinth]

I'm really a big fan of variety so personally I would kinda need to see a way to keep it mechanically distinct from druid.

[placid plinth]

I think that overhauling every class is somewhere on the list but Lich isn't at the top.

If either of you would like us to consider your suggestions, please use #suggestions

[quaint holly]

I don't think how you maintain a form is variety, I think what the form "provides" is variety. Reaper and all druid's shapeshifts are very very different gameplay loops, just that one sustains it well, and the other doesn't

Or if it's by design, than certain amount of power should definetly be given to "reaperless" lich

[placid plinth]

Yea, this is a debate we have frequently.

[quaint holly]

Well, just wanted some thoughts on the matter. It's a cool class (Acolyte) imo, I enjoy it the most, but the reaper is the reason why I pretty much always plan for warlock, even tho lich with reaper is so busted, just that... one thing can completely ruin enjoyment.

[placid plinth]

Yea, that's good stuff to put in #feedback . I'm kinda the only designer that reads this.

I really like the thematic feeling of a tenuous fleeting form. Like you're not really supposed to be that way.

[quaint holly]

I get it, temporary massive boost of power fantasy. Just that the base is kinda naked without reaper, so once it runs out, most of your power is gone and now you either hide or evaporate

[vital delta]

I'll throw it into #suggestions as well, but curious about your thoughts on a 'rage bar' type skill, e.g. for reaper form. Basically, one where you have a meter that you fill through (whatever), that once full causes or allows the transformation for a short duration.

[sinful cape]

hey, is there a discount code if I wanted to buy 4 copies of the game for me and my kids on steam?
or anyone know when the next sale is at?

[placid plinth]

I don't think there are any deals like that on right now. I usually find out about the sales the day before so all I can really say is that it's not tomorrow. More often than not they happen closer to patches in general but I don't know when the next one is at all. Sorry.

[placid plinth]

It's a cool idea, so you would spend most of your time in human form then eh?

[vital delta]

I guess it would depend on the strength of the transformation right? Narrow but tall spikes in power vs broader weaker spikes. My gut says the narrower spikes is probably better/more fun but that's just my bias. Maybe those are different upgrade paths

[jaunty obsidian]

Since we got all the new data metrics, can you tell us how many Lizard Tails have dropped?

[placid plinth]

I don't think that is one of the fields in the interface. We could probably check the number in stash if we wanted but total dropped is probably not tracked.

[final cave]

What about... how many are equipped? 😉

[delicate osprey]

is a price checker tool planned for MG? that would be a huge QoL

[quick mist]

I heard you can only get lizard tail in the lizard club

[stuck sigil]

Are the paradox classes still planned, and if so, are they still planned to be paid content?

[crude plover]

Yes and yes. If plans have changed they haven't announced it yet (and it won't be announced in this channel)

[stuck sigil]

this is "ask the devs" not "ask the mods", so I'll wait on their response, thanks.

can someone from EHG please explain how having paid classes squares with this: https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/nh0z4g/hey_reddit_im_judd_cobler_eleventh_hour_games_ceo/gyu0mtk/?embed_host_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icy-veins.com%2Flast-epoch%2Fnews%2Flast-epoch-paradox-classes-controversy%2F

for example, if someone purchased this game and purchased cosmetics specifically because there "there will never be paid-convenience" and the paradox classes end up being competitive or better than top-tier free builds, that would mean that promise has been broken. do you then refund me for my box price and cosmetics?

[crude plover]

Guys please don't have back and forths in here. I will clean it up if it continues. If someone wants a response from EHG then that's all there is to it.

[valid oyster]

Who do you think made them mods to begin with?

Therefore by that logic, it is not a problem if one of EHG's intermediaries decides to offer their own imput on a particular topic that they may already have foreknowledge of beforehand. Especially if it corroborates on top of what may come forward if one does decide to answer it in good time.

[placid plinth]

It's perfectly reasonable to request a direct reply from a dev here. The vast majority of the questions which get asked are answerable perfectly well by the mods (sometimes even better really). Just have to wait for me to get around to them sometimes. We're in a leadup to feature lock tomorrow so we're a little busy. I'm also quite sick (not sure who will be streaming tomorrow yet). So I'm sorry for the delay.

[placid plinth]

That was always the plan. We probably clung to it for a little bit too long actually. I think we are a very idealistic group. When we started out, we all came together mostly as gamers first and became developers. Along the way we have had to make a few unfortunate compromises. We've also learned that many of our initial intentions were just not the best thing for the game. LE as we initially envisioned it would be a much worse game I think. I'm very proud to say that it has evolved. I know that some of those changes haven't been what some players wanted and for those that purchased a long time ago, I just want to say thank you for believing that we could make this game in the first place.

We are very aware of the issues surrounding creating a paid class and the additional issues around if it is significantly more powerful than the others. I think we can thread the needle on this one but only time will tell. I hope that people will look at the first paradox class and decide to get it or not based on the aesthetics and theming rather than the competitive aspect.

[sturdy ridge]

Excited for tomorrows stream and to see what awesome teasers you have.

[stuck sigil]

Thanks for the reply, Mike.

Here's the rub, as I see it: A person buys your game based on the long, consistent history of you all saying there will never be pay to win or pay for convenience in the game - you're funded exclusively through the box price and cosmetic items. You come along and say "we're offering paid classes called paradox classes ".

If the paradox classes are weaker than base classes, no one buys them. They're pay to lose, and they cost you more to develop than you make, so it becomes a bad business decision.

If the paradox classes are stronger than base classes for any use case, you're now going back on years of official statements.

Threading a needle is a relatively simple task compared to the task you set out for yourselves... you're going to create new classes behind a paywall, that have to be different enough to justify anyone paying money for them, but also not objectively better than what's available to players who choose to opt out of paying for them. This is a massive game balance issue. You say you think you can "thread this needle", but you're yet to put out a single patch since launch that wasn't absolutely dominated by a relatively small number of very powerful builds, so I'm sorry to say that there's just no historical precendent for this... and if paradox classes end up being meta, because the Merchant's Guild exists, you're giving players an in-game advantage over others. That's a big ol' yikes from a gameplay perspective that's enough to get people grumpy because that's pay to win.

And grumpy people start to either uninstall, or start digging through your aforementioned years of history talking about how there will be no pay to win or pay for convenience, and suddenly you run afoul of US and EU consumer protection regulations.

So that begs the question: are you sure this is actually a good idea? Because to be frank, you sound like Ion Hazzikostas pre-Shadowlands right now and he had to pull the ripcord.

[hollow agate]

It is not a good idea. It is just the less bad option, and they had to chose an option.

[eternal zinc]

🤔 It remind me of https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1ow2vah/comment/non98k3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button, but that's for why EHG sell themselves to Krafton.

Judd didn't explain why they want to release paradox classes

[vital shard]

there is no p2w in the game, you pay for optional content that is it.
Why do people think there is PVP in this game, or any contest PVP ladder?

[delicate osprey]

is a price checker tool planned for MG? that would be a huge QoL

[inner quest]

I think that actually came up during the last dev stream (or the one before that); I know they're updating CoF (and presumably MG) in season 5, and that's where I heard Mike mention it

[marble socket]

Devstream today?

[crude plover]

Mike won't be streaming today (sick). He did mention someone else might stream but we don't know who if anyone yet.

[sturdy ridge]

Will they have teasers today?

[crude plover]

We don't know. If they do stream you can tune in and find out

[sturdy ridge]

I can also assume that there is no press tour for S4 right?

[placid plinth]

I'm doing better today than yesterday. Might just get semi-sick mike for stream. Yes we do have teasers prepared.

[placid plinth]

It's something we've been wanting for a long time. It has a pretty big issue in that if it's not decently accurate, new players can get taken advantage of pretty easily. That can still happen anyways too. The next feature after a price checker that I don't think will happen is the inevitable request for integration into the loot filter. Regardless I don't have any sort of ETA on it existing but if we can manage to make it work well, then it would happen. Not sure if it will yet though.

[verbal pine]

an item drop and you can see what it would sell for? is that what you mean right?

like under or over the item name woudl be the MG price its going for

[placid plinth]

people would ask for their loot filter to look like this

Show all items worth more than 1,000,000 gold.
Hide all items

[red urchin]

will Shadow Rend traversal have i-frames or a node that gives i-frames like Shift and Smoke Bomb traversal do?

[verbal pine]

Oh thank you for the example

[quick mist]

I want more sets and more complete sets. Are there any plans in that direction? Also I miss the races that poe had way back. Any plans for something like that.

[mossy panther]

New sets are coming!

[pine dome]

More sets have been teased for s4 (at least 2 i believe)

[deft perch]

I've been skipping this guild usually because when I'm starting out and needing good items everything is way jacked up in price compared to how much gold I have so I've had a lot better luck not doing merchants guild and just finding stuff.
Maybe that's just how I play it, but I feel like I'd rather have a filter for everything under 1,000,000 and filter out all of the overpriced stuff when I'm building my first character.

[placid plinth]

that was a hypothetical loot filter expample. you wouldn't want to hide all the expensive stuff, that would mean you wouldn't make any money

[deft perch]

Ah! Sorry, that makes more sense 😉

[cursive helm]

In S4 there's been an announced change to Skeletal Mages which makes Death Knights cast Hungering Souls from your skill tree. Several nodes reference stats minions don't have (Mana and Minion Count in particular). There's quite a few nodes like that: Forbidden Pact, Grave Bond, Necromantic Emanation, Unholy Trinity, Soul Drain, Mind Harvest. How will those interact with the minion casting the skill? Will they scale based on the player's Mana & Minion Count? Or will they just do nothing?

[pine chasm]

They also posted the new node text which explains, it scales with your mana and your minion count.
https://imgur.com/ciLGt2X

[cursive helm]

Oh, I hadn't seen that, bless. Time to go plan out some builds 👀

[placid plinth]

and I did the boots, one got to 2LP so I've got another pair of those to slam now

[final cave]

So Mike are you starting firebrand ele nova then? 😉

Or more importantly, what spellblade are you playing in season 4? 😉

[crude plover]

👀

[stuck sigil]

You know there's a market, and the more powerful your build the richer you can become, which then means you can then buy more and better gear and snowball out of control, right?

Pretending as if there's not a competitive element to the game when there's a trade economy is borderline reality denial, particularly when MG outperforms CoF in every measurable way.

[stuck sigil]

I mean, I can probably come up with like a dozen options off the top of my head that don't involve potentially introducing p2w because of unforeseen balance problems. It's a straight up false dichotomy to say they only had 2 options and this was the least bad one.

[half crescent]

you should have outbid Krafton on EHG. Sounds like you know best.

[crude plover]

Guys please take conversations to #💬┃general

[placid plinth]

Shadow Rend, might be hard on a spellblade though so I might have to rethink it a bit and pick a different class.

[crude plover]

Cross class skills confirmed

Difficult != Impossible

[placid plinth]

Meteor Bear: "what am I joke to you?"

[crude plover]

Pepperidge farm remembers wolf meteor

[stuck sigil]

I'm not instigating a conversation. I asked a question and then the peanut gallery showed up making commentary. Feel free to mod their direct replies to me out of the channel. If I wanted a discussion I'd have posted elsewhere.

[crude plover]

I didn't say you were. I just want to redirect it to the appropriate channel in case any of the involved want to continue the discussion.

[eternal zinc]

This question don't for Mike, it's for CM.

Why no colours for all of these new roles, even for masteries we prefers? Where colours are?

[exotic kindle]

Can ruin of oculus have 3 or more corruption affixes? Or am I misunderstanding it?

[placid plinth]

We haven't given a specific upper limit on it.

[frank panther]

potentially many? like more than 6?

[valid oyster]

Don't tempt 'em.

[final cave]

What's the likelihood the oculus will have 10 corruptions without being unavle to further corrupt it? 😉

[exotic kindle]

I hope we get 6 plus

[deft perch]

Imagine getting 5 great corruption rolls and then bricking it on the 6th

[quaint spindle]

lol there is an item in PoE like that - and I have done that 😬

[fathom holly]

hi do you know where i can ask something to devs?sorry for bad english, i would like an option again in +to face on melee with the direction i face(wasd) and not the mouse cursor , the goal is to use my other hand only to loot clic

[pine chasm]

This is the channel to ask the devs questions, but it's more for technical questions on how things work in the game.
If you'd like to request a feature, #suggestions is the best place. Or if you feel like something is off about wasd controls, explaining it in #feedback is helpful.

[fathom holly]

ty

[vital delta]

Are you able to talk about what this looks like in practice? I.e. does the first corruption fill all the affix slots or is it one affix/corruption? Does each subsequent corruption keep the earlier added affixes or does it randomize + add one each time?

[placid plinth]

It does 1 corruption each time and follows the rules of corruption each time. It's not completely resetting the item each time and it is possible to brick it.

[flint bloom]

Is there a limit on affixes on that item as well? or can it get like 10+ affixes (i doubt this since it'd be bigger than set item tooltips but figured i would ask)

[placid plinth]

I've been told not to reveal the limit.

[crude plover]

How are skills like storm bolts handled? Are they actual real subskills of gathering storm (and other similar skills subskills of their supposed parents). Or are they just sharing the tree, and have the same attribute scaling?

Like is storm bolts actually inheriting the attribute scaling from gathering storm or is it applying its own attribute scaling (which just so happens to be the same)?

[placid plinth]

Storm bolts are cast by the player, not gathering storm. The bolts get created long after gathering storm is gone.

Well, long when talking in frames.

[crude plover]

So it's technically not a subskill, but practically speaking pretty much behaves like one right?

[placid plinth]

Yup

[crude plover]

Is fire aura and flame ward a similar setup?

[placid plinth]

Yup

[crude plover]

Thanks!

[placid plinth]

Burning daggers too

[crude plover]

Yeah makes sense

[frank panther]

[crisp shell]

Does the Healing Shields effect in Ring of Shields scale with Minion Area?

[hoary frigate]

So Oculus of Ruin is a unique and corrupting is done with a corruption rune in the forgery. Isn't it the first time when a unique can be modified in the forgery by a rune?

[crude plover]

You can corrupt other uniques too

It mentions things like LP, WW and WT on the tooltip of the rune

[hoary frigate]

then we should first slam exalted affixes (provided it has LP on it) on that ring before corrupting it right?

[placid plinth]

Just generally, you should probably slam or nemesis a unique before corrupting it.

[pine chasm]

Technically no, rune of weaving was the first rune usable on (certain) uniques

[tall kettle]

How come theres a crab ring in the game but the word crabs is moderated / blocked?

[placid plinth]

I have no idea. Probably added as part of some overzealous big batch. Doesn't seem like a bad word to me.

[timid fjord]

When corruption bricks an item does it affect its sell gold value or are vendors happy to pay us for that stuff?
nvm I could see in teasers that gold value doesn't change when item gets ruined.
what do merchants even do with them, other items they can at least use

[placid plinth]

I think that is an oversight personally. I hope it changes to 1g.

[sturdy ridge]

Can wildfire wisps copy volatile zombies with the improved wildfire embers in S4?

[timid fjord]

This shouldn't be possible since volatile zombies don't count as fire skill, they only count as minion fire skill.
they at least don't get any extra points from whetstone gavel primordial that says +1 to level of fire skills.

[crude plover]

Yeah, volatile zombies isn't actually a fire skill. It's just a minion intelligence skill

The zombies themselves have fire skills

[stoic storm]

Will the concentration node in the Marksman tree be fixed next season as it is still currently bugged?

[placid lodge]

Any chance we could ever have sorting options for our stash tabs? Right now it seems totally random, would be nice if hitting Sort would at least sort items by name. Would be especially helpful in a tab full of rings/amulets 😛

[pine dome]

#suggestions

[placid lodge]

Oh, didnt even see that spot, thanks

[timid fjord]

Can I still request skill data's?
I'd like to see how liches at 300+ spec rip blood

[crude plover]

How many mages above 800 corruption spec flame ward?

[sturdy ridge]

ah i see. at least i think i can use it with infernal shade

[crude plover]

Correct. It will work on infernal shade

[quaint spindle]

its the #1 skill for all 3 masterites at 800c+

[crude plover]

Heh

I just wanted to see if it was 100% or if some madlads aren't running it

[quaint spindle]

close

Sorc falls the farthest behind at 81%

[crude plover]

That's actually insane x)

[quaint spindle]

SB at 96.4 and RM at 99.0

[crude plover]

To be fair though sorc have stuff like arcane ascendance they might want to fit in so something has to go. Kinda makes sense

(same goes for spellblade and enchant weapon but spellblade is too pigeonholed build wise currently)

[quaint spindle]

for Sorcs at 800+c that are NOT using FW - AA is the #1 skill

[crude plover]

Validation

[quaint spindle]

lol

[quaint spindle]

this is the action bar for all of em

[crude plover]

Action bar or spec?

[quaint spindle]

action bar

[crude plover]

Makes sense

Surely they spec lb

If not I'm lost

[quaint spindle]

top spec'd

[crude plover]

Validation #2

[quaint spindle]

I got you fam

lol

[crude plover]

<3

[tall kettle]

Kahzimi — 11:02 AM
Where should i request words to be removed from moderation? Yesterday crabs, today "suc ker" lol (apparently that is blocked here too)

[crude plover]

You can dm the @jaunty pier bot

[tall kettle]

Thankies

[red urchin]

wanted to bring this back up, Mike said on stream that he didn't think that traversal Rend has i-frames or a node granting it but was going to look it up to be sure

[manic furnace]

I asked almost a year ago about the plans for the story/lore and I got pretty exiting answers about the far past, is there still plans to expand on that and also about a futuristic city or somth ? Thanks

[crude plover]

I'm not a dev so I don't know for sure but it's unlikely, we already have the eras the game takes place in and none of them are "futuristic". The last season introduced chapter 10 of the story which was set in the ancient era which is likely what the "far past" you're referring to was. We pretty much already know that the world ended before any especially futuristic things happened since we would've otherwise heard or seen some remnants in the end of time regarding those things, but everyones still using equipment and stuff from around the divine era from what we can tell. Since after that we get the ruined era and the world had pretty much halted progress by then.

[manic furnace]

We had a talk here with one of the devs about the space city haha that's xhy i'm askin

[manic furnace]

Yea sorry ancient era it's been a long while, forgot about the name. I was mostly intrigued about lore expansion in the endgame since it's only monoliths and a chase run losely tied to the main plot a bit like POE did over the years. I know about the expansions we got with the Woven but I wasn't overwhelmed with lore when i played

[woven basalt]

does the new spellblade passive convert the chronostasis bonus?

[crude plover]

It wouldn't no. Since you don't gain the added damage stat on your character, the skill that consumed the ward gets it

[lofty plover]

Why is it that Void Cleave is where only swords and axes can be and got one of the best minion boosts for forge guards but you can't use the set item Sunforged Hammer with it or hammers in general?

edited

[tall kettle]

Cos they don't seem to like maces much in LE 🙁

[fast gazelle]

from my understanding the sunforged set is about buffing yourself for having forged weapons, it doesn't really much care for them

[night quartz]

What’s the split of characters on HC between CoF and MG?

Does that include only alive chars or even dead ones?

[final cave]

Hey Mike / CM? Reckon we'll get a full list of corrupted modifiers in the patch notes? Or something more like what we get for set items where they arr named but the specifics are left to players (or third party tools) to divine?

[eternal zinc]

Wick is left

[final cave]

Edited

[exotic kindle]

Are the corrupted mods gonna be in letools before launch?

[slate nimbus]

Hi, can't find this question, so I will ask. Does exalts and non-uniques in general have some code behind it for legendary crafting? I mean like predetermined order in which affixes will go on LP with and without an option to pick 1 guaranteed affix. Why I asking? I was making some lp2-lp3 attempts with duplicated exalts from rune of creation. And every time legendaries ended exactly the same way. Exactly same affixes in exactly same order. Sample size was small because I dont had many runes and you can only duplicate item ones, so this is pure speculation on some coincidence. But may be someone can confirm this on code level or if answer to this already here in discord and I simply cant find it?

[pine dome]

Letools is a 3rd party website, not run by EHG but by a single guy called Dammit.
Unless changes, he doesn't have early access to data, so he will try to update as soon as the patch is out.

[exotic kindle]

So everyone is in the dark on season start I see except for the ct people. Thanks

[crude plover]

No. Each affix has an equal chance of being Transferred no matter their rank or rarity

Both 2 and 3lp slams have a 1/3 chance of hitting the 2/3 affixes you want respectively

[crude plover]

It's actually kinda funny. Nowadays all slams are either guaranteed or 1/3 chance. That wasn't the case before the guaranteed 1lp

[verbal pine]

does the skill node shadow rush make it completely traversal and removes the attack part of it?

per the teaser we have of it

[crude plover]

Consider that the node says nothing about removing the attack and even gives shadow rend more damage

[verbal pine]

reading comprehension fails me today

[thorn rivet]

dark times before the guarenteed 1lp

[vague holly]

Are we getting echo's highscore?

[main rivet]

so come next season, are you going to implement a loot filter for specific rune? Not just rare runes? Will the rune of corruption be a apart of the "rare rune" pile? because already I stopped back tracking since I only need runes of creation of havoc and majority of rune piles dont have those wasting to much time.

[placid plinth]

Not in S4, maybe for the future. Corruption will be listed as "rare".

[placid plinth]

multiple new ladders are in the works

[placid plinth]

It's a thematic thing, Cleave doesn't describe a mace function well.

[maiden brook]

in this reddit comment Justin says the limitation on enemy state conditional damage boosts affecting ailments will no longer be an issue in the new patch and the "supermassive" node will be fixed to apply to all damage inflicted through black hole. https://old.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1rdegos/blackhole_showcase/o78bi40/

is this something we can expect to see rolled out to all similar nodes at the same time or only to that black hole node for the patch?

[placid plinth]

no iframes.

[placid plinth]

just the one for now

[verbal pine]

What is the hardest thing you guys are currently working on thats causing a headache without spoiling anything if you can share (in coding)

[final cave]

Ooh, is it managing community expectations? 😜

[quaint spindle]

keeping @placid plinth's extremeties intact

[hardy totem]

dark

[quaint spindle]

lol I will let him tell the tale

[pine chasm]

Is it hockey again?

[flint bloom]

RIP knee

[placid plinth]

Sliced a chunk of my fingernail and nailbed off with a knife while making lunch yesterday.

[pearl dagger]

"Artisan" sandwiches are weird these days

[eternal zinc]

Are...are...are you serious?

[placid plinth]

Yes

[vital shard]

maybe eating is not for you

[eternal zinc]

Too scary. I can't imagine how painful after the slice... Maybe I will lose my consciousness because too much pain.

Mike, I'm seriously...

***You should rest well. ***
You must lost some blood and the pain will last for weeks...

I hope you can still stay with us but take care of yourself at first.

Oh my Lord. I can't imagine what will happen if I lost my fingernails... Too scary, scary, scary...

[fleet galleon]

Kirra you're overreacting.
I'm sure Mike did all the things necessary.

[eternal zinc]

I'm scared for the first time, yes.

Can he sleep well???

[quaint spindle]

See? I wasnt being dark

I was being literal

lol

[placid plinth]

Really not a big deal guys, I wasn't even going to mention it. I saw a doctor, they glued some foam stuff to it and it's largely fine. If we're going to use the level of pain management I had to take as a scale I took 2 Tylenol and 2 Advil total. I missed like 4 hours of work and couldn't play our final hockey game of the playoffs tonight over it.

[final cave]

Missed the play-offs?!

[night quartz]

What’s the split of characters on HC between CoF and MG?

Does that include only alive chars or even dead ones?

[flint bloom]

The real concern is your uber abby attempts. How will you fare now with a hurt clicker

[flat elm]

Bro playing hockey and don't make the final game thanks to a cut finger, ouch. 🙂

Hope the team won and you heal well! Just buggin!

[faint terrace]

maybe you can't answer this now but is there's plans for more consistent updates on a consistent schedule after this season launches?

[wooden bridge]

2 things. 1). Are unique 3D models for armor still going to be a thing at some point?

2). Any insight on challenges/ achievements? If their planned, what type of priority if they are, etc.

[pearl dagger]

Trophies (aka achievements) are a platform requirement for Playstation so they'll have to add them as part of (or before) the console release

[jaunty obsidian]

Can unique items gain T8 affixes when corrupted? If so, do they count as Primordial (can only equip one)?

[placid plinth]

no

[placid plinth]

all the 3d models are a very slow process, afaik they are still getting added every patch

and yea, achievements with console release I think

[placid plinth]

Yea, with how the bandage is, I'm going to need some help if I want a shot at actually doing it. I've done like 30 regular runs in the last couple days to try and get a 2LP helm with no luck at all

[primal girder]

Controller run? 🤔

[bold wedge]

Hope you feel better mike. I accidently picked up a straight razor middle of night and same thing happened to me years ago. I cauterized with cotton but took awhile to heal.

[wooden bridge]

Just body/ helmet? Or gloves and boots too

[tall kettle]

guy in global has been away ages and asked whats been added I said "they added woven cemetaries/ubberoth, a new chapter, primodials and ancient eras" and that got moderated, neat

[pine dome]

If there a question, go ahead
Otherwise you can @jaunty pier

Or

!support

[fiery lily]

Anything we can help with? We've support articles and a contact form at https://support.lastepoch.com/.

[tall kettle]

Question @pine dome why? which word was bad?

[pine dome]

I would recommend you to @jaunty pier as moderation actions not to be discussed in public

Also

[tall kettle]

@jaunty pier

[pine dome]

Send a dm to modmail

[wooden bridge]

Is hype week the week before or the week of launch?

[lament tulip]

Allegedly this coming Monday

[final cave]

Allegedly?

[south turret]

Hi, I have a question about the new rogue doppelganger set. We saw the reforged affix from the chestpiece already, I was wondering if you guys could tell us the reforged affix from the helmet. I'm really hoping to have an exalted set reforged helmet with the "Consumed shadows generate 1 stack of dusk shroud" on it.

Thanks!

[vital shard]

@placid plinth do you have enough fingers for today's stream?

or do you need a finger or two?

[misty bobcat]

been that way before

[visual apex]

Does "Damage reflected to attackers" have a type? Or is it just totally generic?

[placid plinth]

I'm streaming today <t:1773432000:R>. I think you'll be interested in the teasers we've got lined up...

[placid plinth]

it is typeless, and non-mitigatable or modifyable.

[visual apex]

Interesting, thanks

[verbal pine]

ur streaming early?

[placid plinth]

Daylight savings time happened

[vague holly]

awesome, they coming this league?

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure which if any actually made it into this season. We were discussing some LE:O content at game design in the context of one of the new ladders so by then at least.

[pine egret]

could this include Solo Self Found ladder? 🙏

[red urchin]

Can you say what tier the set affixes are? I assume the helmet is 7 and the relic is a lower one

[summer sorrel]

Different Beam separated from the map icon 👀

[placid plinth]

Yup, I mentioned that recently too

[static birch]

What's the range of that shield split affix on idols?

[timid fjord]

I was catching up on todays stream, Mike I swear you will end up having lizard tail drop on stream one of these day and it will be glorious 😂

[exotic kindle]

If we get up to 10% max for fork that means we can go up to 50% chance as of what they have revealed so far

[placid plinth]

that is assuming there is no way to make your idols have greater effect through some new mechanic or some existing items or anything

[south turret]

🥳 Thank you!

[quaint spindle]

[jaunty dune]

If it were possible (hypothetically) to get that chance to fork stat over 100% would it work like ailments where it would fork an additional time? (Hypothetically of course 😉 )

[exotic kindle]

Alright void knight it is

[exotic kindle]

If that happens VK ST is gonna be among the top clearers in the game

[placid plinth]

No, it's a chance to fork. 200% chance to fork just means that it forks.

[jaunty dune]

well ignite chance is a chance to ignite but 200% chance to ignite means you get 2 ignites 😉 but crit is just "do you crit? yes/no" so could have seen it going either way. good to know though 👍 thanks for the reply 🙂

[exotic bone]

Does "consuming shadows" specificially means things that are worded "consume", or does it include things that the shadows mimic before disappearing

[valid oyster]

I wonder if there is a way to optionally get a specific corrupt affix instead of it being completely random. (unless there is some context I am missing, of which I can wait until next season when more details on item corruption methods are explained in greater detail via patch notes.)

[rotund hill]

I have a question about the loot filter. You’re adding significant changes to it, along with new bonuses for items that can be obtained and for idols. Would it be possible to release the updated loot filter, say, the day before the new season starts? No one wants to sit around setting up filters during launch; it has a big impact on the enjoyment of the game. It should be added earlier so players can set it up before the start. You could release a small patch the day before—the servers are down on launch day anyway—so players could set up the loot filter during that time.

[placid plinth]

No, I'm sorry that is not possible this late in the process. It could have been done but it's way too late. However, it would require remaking all of those changes on the current live build of the game. It's something that seems simple but is actually a pretty huge project. It could possibly require more work than putting it in initially because it would need to work without all of the item changes because it generates what is possible from the item list.

[placid plinth]

No, it's random.

[autumn arrow]

Is there an official resource where internal ids for affixes (and ideally subtypes) are mapped to their labels?

I've been wanting to make a tiny tool to setup a filter a bit more programmatically rather than working with copying template filters and editing them, which would be very useful for merging different alt rules onto specific filter templates I want to use or skipping prepwork for specific runs 🙂

Apologies if this has been asked before and I missed it, tried taking a peep around but didn't catch it in that case

[crude plover]

There's no official public source for that no

[visual apex]

In the context of the new Doppleganger set, does "Consuming" shadows refer to any time where the shadows mimic an ability? Or is it specifically when they're consumed by Lethal Mirage or Smoke Bomb?

[limpid pelican]

Im guessing its a no but is there a chance you guys can change the "health gained on shadow creation" for the new helm affix, because that line makes it unusable for low life

[pine dome]

#suggestions

[gray ingot]

I also wonder why the new rogue set helm affix shard has health gained on shadow creation in the first place? It makes no sense. Life builds have leech and don't need it really (and we even have passive that gives hp on shadow creation already and and a node in sync), and lowlife can't use it at all because it messes up your hp. We don't even have a tech to disable life on hit/crit/shadow creation so why is it there in a first place, because the only reasonable explanation is that it is intended to mess up LL, and if it's the case I'm also wondering why is it necessary?

[meager bridge]

Will minions / abilities that scale with strength also scale with brutality? How about Tyrant's Skull?

[quaint spindle]

yes anything that scales with a base stat that has been converted will continue to scale when the stat is converted

[jovial pumice]

will there be twitch drops on season release?

[verbal pine]

yes

[gentle thorn]

Is there a hardcoded maximum to the number of shadows a rogue can have, or is every +1 maximum shadows working additively without a cap?

[placid plinth]

Technically yes, there is a cap. There is no way you could ever get within a few million of it though.

[visual apex]

Brb spawning 2147483647 shadows

[stoic storm]

What's the max shadows someone on your team has done while testing it out? 🙂

im going to try to get 100 shadows

wish me luck 😄

[crude plover]

You can't get anywhere near that

Right now you can get to like 7 max shadows

[tall kettle]

Hi with the fork chance on the new idol - does the richochet act like in poe and ricochet off terrain or is it still just off monsters/allys

[crude plover]

monsters/allies

[fallen hatch]

I once again would like to ask about regional pricing for supporter packs for certain countries since your support has straight up lied to me what I can prove by the example of Slay the Spire 2 that costs 24,99 USD and has an adjusted price for Poland which is 74,99 PLN despite Steam suggestion of 114,99 PLN. What is the reason of you not wanting to adjust those? I will not message support about this anymore since as I can see they feel very comfortable with talking lies to my face (hello there Andy). I'm only expecting two things: honest answer without bullshit and fair treatment that people from many other countries would probably appreciate as well. Thank you very much.

[placid plinth]

Sorry, my answer is the same as last time. I have no information or influence about this. As far as I know we just follow the Steam auto pricing.

[fallen hatch]

i'm not expecting the answer from you my man since i know you might be not affiliated with those, i'm expecting the answer from someone who might actually have an influence on this

and i have proof that your support told me lies, i want to spend more money on your game but unfair treatment like this makes me sick

that's why i dont want to message them anymore if i'm going to get the same response

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure what to tell you. The answers you seek are not available in this channel is about the best I have.

[inner quest]

I sympathize PodajPiwo, #feedback seems like a more appropriate place for this though as you're basically asking Mike to forward feedback.

[fallen hatch]

i understand you completely Mike, i can post it on feedback as @inner quest suggested as well but is it ever going to reach somebody who might influence this situation? I really played a shitload of hours and paid the highest amount for a single game ever in my 29 years of being on this planet and it's money well spent in my opinion despite the incredible lack of MTXes but it's where the line is, one could say it's only a 60PLN difference on a pack but i'm not planning on stopping spending money on LE so with more legend packs that difference will start multiplying, Steam rejected my appeal therefore i'm trying to get in touch with the developers/publishers directly

[placid plinth]

I'm the only one who will read it here.

[fallen hatch]

well then i'm cooked, support straight up responded with lies, where else can i post so it can be seen?

[placid plinth]

#feedback

[fallen hatch]

thanks a lot, will try posting it there, thanks for your time and response

[placid plinth]

You will only get a reply about it by doing something you've said you won't do.

[fallen hatch]

but no no, i did ask support for the response on that matter but i got a response that does not align with truth, that's why i gave up on that

[ivory dune]

where is the best place to ask about specific Uniques or mechanics that were definitely overpowered but got hit a bit too hard with the nerf stick? would that be feedback?

[crude plover]

Depends, if you have a question (for example why it was nerfed) then here would be the best place. If you want to provide feedback then feedback would be the best place. You don't get a reply for messages sent in the feedback channel. But that's the channel that actually gets read for feedback, this channel does not.

[inner karma]

are you ever going to fix the bug where i can't summon my max number of companions (wolves) because i have a T-rex and the "permanent bond" node?

[hollow agate]

People of support can be wrong. Have you explained to them (without accusing them of lying) why you think they are mistaken? This might allow them to reconsider their position and provide a new response. Perhaps they're simply unaware that this type of pricing is possible on Steam and/or that a specific procedure from the development team is required but they don't know about it. EHG may have simply applied the default settings without giving it much thought. I think you're genuinely passionate about the game, and your fellow Polish players could benefit from a competent and impartial ambassador.

Avoid letting your anger speak, which is certainly legitimate but counterproductive, during negotiations.

[hollow agate]

EHG has a policy to not correct bugs during a season, if the bug is there day 1 you have 90%chance (more actually) that it will stay during the whole season.

As this one is popular it is probably corrected for season 4 (lets hope they didn't add an other one in the process and tested it this time).

Mike has a policy to not give bug update here. Sometimes he does an exception. You will have your response next week with the full patch notes anyways.

[pine dome]

Permanent Bond is getting Reworked in s4

[inner karma]

ok, both of your messages are well received and i appreciate your time.

[crude plover]

This isn't true. They normally don't make any balance changes mid season. But they will fix bugs, especially if they're a net negative. But sometimes even if they result in positive power.

[hollow agate]

Usually they correct a few bugs the 3 first weeks, then the dev team works for next season and i have no a example in mind when they will correct a bug mid season.
This organization is understandable, as it need to be corrected in multiple different versions of the game once the works on next season started and to correct it anyway will double the task force and the chance to make errors.

[crude plover]

Here's a pretty prominent example (ballista explosion):
#news message

There have been multiple other examples since then but I don't remember each one, this one is just extra memorable since it was such a big deal at the time.

They discussed when they will and won't fix/balance certain things based on the results of a community poll made around the same time. And have pretty much stuck to this ever since.
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/mid-cycle-balance-survey-recap/68542

Something like permanent bond not working correctly would definitely be something that could get fixed mid season.

[hollow agate]

Ok then please EHG prove me wrong 🙏 👌
Next broken node that breaks a lot of builds, don't let it in game a full season.

[fervent girder]

Ehg does fix bugs but for let's say 1 month and a half which wouldn't be too bad if season was like 4 months ,since this one and others have laster 7 months and higher i hoped they would still have 1 person fixing bugs since it feels pretty bad playing a rework or basically something new and its bugged for 7 months or more . Aka corrupted form lich.

[inner karma]

it's my understanding that my current predicament is because of a frog imbalance a while back. but now it's effecting my wolves. with it's howl ability. i guess my point is that it is not a new thing.

[fallen hatch]

Then what is support made for? In my work you are supposed to know the answers to many various questions and if you don't know something you ought to ask someone who has more experience than you. Also it doesn't hurt to admit that you don't know (or aren't entirely sure about) the answer to someone's question and you would need to consult it with another person in order to be able to solve the issue correctly, hell it's even better to wait one more day and provide a 100% valid response than do it in rush with a risk of spreading misinformation, I understand that only a person who does nothing makes no mistakes but let's try to avoid it if possible, this game is not a one-man project, it's a team effort

[timid fjord]

Do you have any rituals you do on the day of season launch?
like open streams and watch them, go get a steak dinner, go to bed early in case there is urgent bug fixes needed early in the morning etc.?

[placid plinth]

I open 32 streams across 2 monitors and play myself on the middle one.

[eternal zinc]

I wonder how Mike watch 32 streams on 2 screens at the same time if it's true

[sturdy ridge]

Question : Is Hungering Souls supposed to circle around the enemy? ( Watching aaron playtest it and saw it do the circling thing ) If not , I tell him to put in a bug report or something

Also its very important because Death Knights in S4 will be casting it

[flint bloom]

Sometimes. its a product of the homing tech LE uses. Sometimes homing fireballs does it too.

[sturdy ridge]

Also , I was testing it in my offline character but the isolation node wasnt working and Aaron was testing it before that. It is supposed to make them very big but it stayed the same way as if it wasnt specced at all.

On a related note : Death Seals node to autocast HS is also not working. Unfortunately this is on my offline Lich character

[flint bloom]

Should probly go report bugs in the proper places

[sturdy ridge]

I cant. Its on my offline character

Also i dont see the bug report section anymore in this discord

[inner quest]

you can report bugs with F8 in-game, even offline; only true offline can't do that
the forums are the next location to report bugs, they aren't processed over discord at all

[sturdy ridge]

ah thank you

[placid plinth]

With multitwitch

[sturdy ridge]

Ok , so my mastery points on my offline character was reset which was the cause of it not working.

The bug report I sent through the game should be disregarded following my discovery

[vocal light]

Any buffs to Forge Guard coming in 1.4? The gulf seems to be getting wider and wider between it and Paladin/VK.

[crude plover]

You generally won't get information about upcoming balance changes in this channel, Will most likely just have to wait for the patch notes on friday.

[gray ingot]

im still wondering why doppelganger helm affix shard contains a property that bricks low life builds when we have no way of disabling it

[eternal zinc]

👀 Ok, Mike don't answer that, so it's not true... Good joke

[placid plinth]

Low life rogue is not a primary class association. It isn't there to brick LL.

[placid plinth]

I did answer, just wasn't getting good reception and the answer was lost in the mix. I open 2 4x4 multitwitch pages. That's 32.

[eternal zinc]

#📚┃off-topic message
You mean watch streams like that?

It required hard on my internet or it's the default setting that all of them is laggy and no sounds for all of them...emmmm

[placid plinth]

that's 2x2, I said 4x4 and I usually only have the audio from 1 playing at a time which I'll cycle through.

[timid fjord]

Could you post pic of your setup/is there old pic floating around?
totally understand if it is too much work to make sure there isn't anything sensitive in the pictures.

[placid plinth]

like a battlestation pic? my desk is a little messy at the moment but this summer I'll have a completely fresh one that I'll take a picture of when I set it up

[eternal zinc]

#📚┃off-topic message
I changed a multitwitch web, experience is better a lot, I think 2x2 is enough for me... 🫡 4x4 is too crazy

New experience for watching game streaming completely anyways hhhhh Thanks

[crude plover]

Didn't you have one of the starforge colab pc's? Maybe I'm remembering wrong

[placid plinth]

I built a system this winter in the starforge colab case yea. I didn't get the full system in it, just the case.

[crude plover]

ah right now I remember

Think you showed it in a stream

Was like 2 years ago, my memory isn't that good :P

[placid plinth]

It used to live behind me on stream but now it's in front of me because it has to be on my desk (goes up and down)

I just built the system like 5 months ago

[eternal zinc]

Do multipletwitch test my internet and my RAM mainly? (If I want it run smoothly)

[crude plover]

Wait how come the last epoch youtube channel got purged around a year ago? :d I never noticed

where is my gas gas gas drifting video ;(

oh wait it's still there, weird. now it's showing up. Disregard lol

[eternal zinc]

Last question, what resolution your monitor is? I wonder how big are they to contain 16 streams and you're not overwhelmed by them because the stream page are too small

[placid plinth]

1440

[eternal zinc]

2560x1440?

If we can watch multiple streams together, any ways to play multiple games together?

lol I find multiple something is quite interesting...

[marble socket]

Does hype week start tomorrow?

[crude plover]

yes

[chrome lagoon]

As per the recent discussion in general, where cyborgwars kindly helped my somewhat thick skull understand in what way the whole game works in the sense of inheritance of properties from one object/entity to its children, I am still mildly unsure on where the minions of minion skills start and what sort of reference material would us outsiders have to get an idea on what can constitute a reasonable idea to form into a suggestion on the subject of minions.
So far, I get that minions are a sub of actors, much like player characters are also a sub of actors that is distinct from minions. Sounds like a sort of tree-like structure and if I remember my tree traversal algorithms, it can get resource intensive to go from one node to another on a different branch. (I say sub here as an ad-hoc for child of unknown rank)
Which is how I understand why it can be tough to update minions dynamically on the basis of player changes. Got to asking myself if "on value updated" kind of triggers would work such that if player character updates a stat, then minions update their derivative stats on the fly, but I gather that's just not feasible in terms of keeping the game fluid for the player?
Not that I have an actual suggestion being built up at the moment, but I am rather "useless suggestion" averse in that I try to not even formulate any such things.

[sturdy ridge]

Is Hype week starting today or on the 19th? 👀

[plucky badge]

16th, today

[placid plinth]

I'm a little lost by your question.

So far, I get that minions are a sub of actors, much like player characters are also a sub of actors that is distinct from minions.
This is not the case the player character is an actor with no creator.

Every minion has a direct reference to its creator and the "tree" only ever goes 2 deep so traversing it is relatively cheap. And even then there are only 2 sources of that.

My advise for making a suggestion to a complex system that is partially obscured is to not attempt to propose a solution but rather outline an issue.

When _______ happens, I feel _______. This shows us where the issue is so we can come up with a solution.

[plucky badge]

We fixed the description in the trailer

[frank panther]

When no rune of corruption in emojis happens, I feel sad.

[plucky badge]

👀

[frank panther]

When no patch this week happens, I feel sad.

[plucky badge]

Just ten short days 🙂

[frank panther]

I tried

[jaunty dune]

does eterra observe daylight savings time?

[brisk jackal]

How difficult is the new pinnacle boss expected to be? Is it slightly easier than Uber abby?

[plucky badge]

Between Abby and Uber Abby

[quaint holly]

Gotta give props, the Omen Windows reveal and the way it all works, LOVE IT. Adds that complexity for endgame which I've been craving

[jaunty dune]

does the new boss scale with corruption / echo modifiers? it looks like it does based on the video shown 👀

[jovial pumice]

so with all the new echo chains, does that mean the echo web will be larger or does it stay the same size?

[placid plinth]

I don't think max distance to edge has changed

[placid plinth]

pretty sure it's fixed difficulty

[vital delta]

With the echo chain weaver node, does it re-arrange the echoes into thematic chains "that share a consistent enemy or encounter type" or is it somewhat random and mostly for convenience?

[storm carbon]

Yo Mike, should I be reading much into these?

• Bonus stability looks changed, has a multiplier at the end in one of the videos
• The Mono completion chest is gone and replaced with a blue forge looking thing?
• In the vendor pic, the monolith map looks vastly different. New way of mono progression? Diff timelines?

[verbal pine]

where dem supporter pack videos!?!

[jaunty dune]

on steam

[sturdy ridge]

Will Madness etc be covered in the second hype week post or no ?

[long merlin]

patient you must be 😁

[verbal pine]

im on steam now no videos

[misty zephyr]

We have been asking for transform cosmetics since beta. How come you never add a couple?
Even tho i still buy the supporter packs, i have no use for them as i only play bear/swarmblade

[flint bloom]

cuz they are a giant pain to make and must have like 5x the work. its not just changing the color of fireball. its changing 5+ skills/subskills and the transformations and the physical character changes as well.

but you can keep reminding them in #feedback

[plucky badge]

They are on YouTube as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o51zRzGAM_Q&list=PLKe5tdZxTG1UKVn-0DGrtmiatCVA62HJt

[plucky badge]

More to come in the week

[mental flame]

Are they set to public?

[plucky badge]

Fixing that now

[flint bloom]

ok so what is the story behind the champ red panda?

[plucky badge]

should be good

[mighty fossil]

Am I wrong or do I spy new environments in those supporter pack trailers? New mono environments perhaps?

[placid plinth]

he is adorable and has some fantastic new animations

[placid plinth]

there are a few refreshed areas I'm not sure if there are any completely new ones

[placid plinth]

probably, yea

[mighty fossil]

They look great either way. The one in the Fractured Legend at 0:36 and 1:02 didn't look recognizable.

[placid plinth]

mostly for convenience, the timelines themselves do that a bit already though

[flint bloom]

he is adorable and i love his wresting moves. i was just wondering if it was a meme or something

[placid plinth]

As far as I know it's just the art team having some fun

[flint bloom]

awesome

[eternal zinc]

I hope they have some fun on that hand too. 💯

See a satisfying pet finally

why the hand calls chip?

[mighty fossil]

Are there more types of echo chains than the 5 listed as "spawn naturally" in the monolith? Woven echo chains perhaps or via the Timeglass Core?

[plucky badge]

No, just the five coming in Season 4

[mighty fossil]

Sounds like a good system to expand upon with each new season mechanic.

[night quartz]

have you done any updates to the new cosmetic portals so you can distinguish between a competed and uncompleted echo like you can with the blue and green one?

[crisp shell]

You mean if you use the same portal for complete and incomplete?

[night quartz]

i mean if you can distinguish between a completed echo and uncompleted one with the new mtx portals. just like you can with the basic one

[eternal zinc]

I guess you mean differences on new mtx for recognizing it's completed or not

[primal girder]

You can set different portal MTX for completed and uncompleted echoes

[final cave]

So, the s5 pinnacle boss is harder than uber then right? 😉

[gentle thorn]

do we know the % of active accounts in S3 that killed aberroth?

[plucky badge]

< 1%

[crude plover]

Isn't that for Uber aberroth?

[plucky badge]

Oh woops

Yeah, that's uber

[fluid plank]

Much more interesting stat would be how many completed the harbinger fights (300c, have keys for Abby) and killed them

[gentle thorn]

oh ya, i meant normal aberroth

[plucky badge]

@quaint spindle maybe he has these numbers? He's the data extraordinaire 🙂

[quaint spindle]

yar pulling that info up now

[fluid plank]

Didn't know Muffin was a pirate

[plucky badge]

Haha

[final cave]

Show me the bar charts muffy. # harbys by proportion of player base. How many noobs like me only got half way there? 😉

[red urchin]

Is the Careful Assault node in Shadow Cascade getting its behavior changed? Currently it snapshots the amount of shadows when you directly use it and keeps the bonus until next direct use.

With all the rogue changes I could see its snapshotting being removed or the functionality changed but it would be a rather large damage bonus to lose for cascade

[wooden horizon]

With this new Volcanic Orb set (Keplahan's), if you have converted VO to cold via the tree and you proc a fire VO using a fire melee attack, does the resulting orb procced via the ring get converted to cold?

[quaint spindle]

6.7% of characters killed Abby

[plucky badge]

Thanks Muffin!

[flint bloom]

Eyo...i am top 7%

[fluid plank]

Even higher, since it's characters, not accounts

[pine chasm]

Each ring specifically says which type of orb it procs, so it should only proc the exact type it says (ignores cold and void conversions, similar to how fire tornado gloves work). So, it would proc a fire VO, in that example.

[wooden horizon]

Neat, that answers it. I wasn't sure if proc-based stuff on gear ignored conversions or not.

[regal stratus]

the new npc allows you to buy bags of temporal keystones, bones and 'more'. can you buy bags of amber from here like in the rift beast shop?

[plucky badge]

You can buy bags of bags that include bags of a variety of things. (Shards, uniques, etc.)

[steady abyss]

I asked the designers and they said:

The snapshot bug is fixed, but we're also updating Careful Assault so that it requires at least the specified number of shadows, instead of requiring exactly that many shadows.

Shadow Cascade is also getting a damage effectiveness buff to help offset the loss from the snapshot bug.

[night quartz]

Is that SC only?

[quaint spindle]

yes

[quaint spindle]

HC is 1.7% of characters for Abby
0.1% for Ubby

[pine chasm]

Is that for all characters? I would be curious how that changes when just considering characters that reached 100c+

[quaint spindle]

side stat - 190 HC characters died at lvl 100

😬

[quaint spindle]

I dont have these specific stats in my tool setup to filter by Corruption atm

[pine chasm]

Dang, well thank you anyway

[plain spindle]

Thanks for the reply! Dont wanna be the party pooper for all rogue enjoyers, but shadow cascade really didnt need a buff to compensate the loss of snapshotting careful assault 🙂 the boss rotation and single target dmg was always there even without snapshotting. We only lose dmg while mapping if we constantly use Shift which was rarely the case.
But im happy to see snapshotting got removed.

[uncut sky]

Does the poison penetration from the Knowledge of Immunity node on Acid Flask apply to poison stacks applied by acid flask, or just to the actual hit damage of the flask?

And on that same note, do the "more damage" nodes in the tree apply to the poison, or just the hit damage?

I'm assuming the poison penetration does apply to stacks of poison, since it wouldn't make any sense to restrict it to the actual hit damage since that is purely physical damage. Curious about the more damage nodes though.

[pine chasm]

Yes, the penetration passes down to ailments as you worked out, fun side note, there is no way to deal poison damage with a hit in this game.

All more multipliers in skill trees apply to the ailments those skills cause (with some exceptions; multipliers based on enemy state like "vs. chilled enemies" don't apply to ailments unless specifically stated). The multipliers do still follow all restrictions, so like "more hit damage" on the explosive flask node won't affect poison or ignite since those don't deal hit damage. Some nodes even give "more direct damage" which just means it won't apply to any ailments.

[red urchin]

hell ya, thanks so much

[uncut yoke]

Hey guys, just curious if a decision has been made about the supporter packs being carried over to other platforms? I want to buy the new pack, I literally own them all, but will be migrating to the PS5 version of the game to play with friends. If they will carry over im going to buy the new pack. Thanks

[hollow agate]

Hello

Ty muffin for all these numbers.

Have you the stats of how many shaman use Thicket of Blinding Light, and the percentage of total number of shaman, and total of characters ?

What is the % of character if we included paladin using it too ?

How many of the characters that killed uber Abby are beasmaster using bear minion?

[hollow agate]

What % of HC lvl 100 are still alived ?
What monsters is the main killer of lvl100 HC?

[gleaming kraken]

So im here to ask are you guys going to ever readd or add for a way to earn old none paid cosmetics?
I wouldnt mind if it was like a easter egg or do x thing to earn some hidden cosmetic or title or boder or anything like that

[final cave]

Hey Mike and Muffin

We've seen a lot of skill and passive heatmaps for 300c+ and those I've seen seem to have relatively low variance (nodes with 90% allocation and such).

Noting that 93% of characters haven't annihilated Abby, how do the skill trees for low corruption (100-200c, 250c) differ from the "meta" trees?

Does the variance tend to smooth out slowly or are there steps?

[[As a side note, I hereby claim the title of Lord Emperor of the Low Corruption Cabal. Our esteemed members thank you for Glorious Clicking]]

[teal trail]

What does the skill distribution look like for characters above level 30 which haven't unlocked empowered monos

Or is that too many characters? I'd like to know what very casual players are using

[versed gust]

Hello everyone. When exactly the s4 starts in Europe on 26th?

[flint bloom]

Ok since we decided to have conversations here im gonna go delete some stuff so if i happen to hit a legit question i apologize in advance

[fleet galleon]

https://discord.com/events/368953963267096586/1483197769995915346

[eternal zinc]

#❔┃ask-the-community message
Hi Mike, I want to ask that. Only art team know what happened obviously

[summer sorrel]

The new supporter pack look insane ! You guys did well this time around, question if this issue is fixed. For exemple i choose to buy tier 2, i know ill get everything from tier 3 and 4, but if later this season i want to buy the tier 1 pack, can i just upgrade with the price difference or i need to rebuy the full pack at full price

[eternal zinc]

You can just wait a while to see do you want to buy tier 1 so you don't need to worry about how to upgrade

[flint bloom]

you cannot upgrade packs

[eternal zinc]

why Muffin became a pirate suddenly

[pine chasm]

Always has been 🔫

[vital delta]

Checking the wording on Brutality, is "0.05% more damage for melee attacks per 1 mana cost (up to max 20%, multiplicative with other modifiers) per point", 20% more MAX or max 20% more per point?

[flint bloom]

" its roll values could be minimized, it could lose affix tiers or turn to a random magic item." so it turns into an actual blue item? like only blue or is yellow and white also options

[cursive sparrow]

is brutality capped out at 20% more total or 20% more per point of mana cost

[pearl dagger]

Huh, looks like runes of corruption are going to be guaranteed drops from Omens if I'm reading that right?

After successfully defeating the Omen, you will find the all-new Rune of Corruption among your loot.
(emphasis added)

[placid plinth]

that sounds right to me

[pearl dagger]

The other drop stuff mentioned in the post all says "may" - thanks for clarifying that it was intentional and not accidentally imprecise wording 🙂

[gray ingot]

are bonuses from refracted slots boosted by wings of discord idol efficiency or reliquary nest?

[placid plinth]

20 max, 20 per point would be a nothing line because then the max would go up faster than the value

[eternal zinc]

Corrupted item subtypes have 2 ways to get, corrupt normal items by rune of corruption and get corrupted items by timeless fragments from omen windows?

[long merlin]

Guile:
0.3% cooldown recovery speed for movement skills per point.
1% reduced armor per point.

Does that reduce the evade cooldown aswell or is it just class abilities tagged with "Movement"

[placid plinth]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/rune-of-corruption-and-idol-altars-coming-to-last-epoch-march-26/80544#corrupted-subtypes-4

These can only be acquired while corrupting items.

[placid plinth]

does not include evade

[plucky badge]

I just confirmed with Karv it does effect evade @placid plinth

[placid plinth]

woops

[plucky badge]

All good, I thought it didn't 😄

[timid fjord]

Can idol altars be crafted in anyway or are they like idols initially that they cannot be modified?

[eternal zinc]

🤔 Wait... What the difference when both of corrupted items purchased from Apophis and these corrupted item subtypes with character limit?

I'm not sure what xxx corrupted items from Apophis mean
The difference is one is corrupted already, the other one is you can consume your stash?

[plucky badge]

Idol Altars drop corrupted, they cannot be modified.

[verbal pine]

this whole blog post feels like its own season haha
good job guys!

[eternal zinc]

The other question I want to confirm: 5 types of omen champions in game so "different colours of their horn tie with different types of idol altars" is wrong, alters dropped from omen champions are randomly?

Context: 8 types of idol altars here.

[flint bloom]

there are more than 5 types of champions. unless you mean the omens, of which there are only 4. so yes clearly there are more altars than omens so its not locked.

[gray ingot]

how is it fair to consider stat conversion a good corruption outcome in case of guile where you convert lets say 100 dex to guile and:
-loose 400 dodge(equivalent to double max rolled T7 on rings)
-loose 100 increased armor (max rolled t7 on body)
+gain 30 cdr ONLY for traversal (T7 cdr on belt\boots is 32% and UNIVERSAL)

We trade basically 4 t7 affixes(the 4th one being the corrupted conversin affix) for like a half of t7 or less, and it becomes even worse the more dex you convert
Please make it make sense

[long merlin]

0.3% cooldown recovery speed for movement skills per point

If a maxed character reaches about 200+dex, he gets about 60% CDR out of it. If he avoid hits, he 1 to 1 trades more farm speed for a defense stat he might not need anyway.

That can be a huge gain and because we know, that evade gets affected by it aswell, it can make progression even faster.

I like it.

[eternal zinc]

1. What inspired EHG to design Apophis sell corrupted items (I mean the sense), to help players save runes of corruptions?
2. Can we get the other corrupted item based on current corrupted items in imprint slots?
3. Can corrupted items put in imprint slots?

[eternal zinc]

I don't understand why it's a confusing question to ask what the sense of selling random corrupted items though we can corrupt them by ourselves.

EHG designed for certain purpose, it's sure. What's wrong with asking that?

For fun is a type of answer, I will not judge that, it's no right or wrong here. It's their thinking only.

I just want to know their thoughts/logic.

[placid plinth]

they are each designed to be very build around conversions. It's possible that we might be overvaluing speed here and if that's the case, we can always address it. I think it's quite good in the right build.

[placid plinth]

1. gives players access to the corrupted items without having to risk their own if you are extremely risk averse
2. no
3. yes no

[eternal zinc]

Which possibilities I can get from imprinted corrupted items?

[placid plinth]

a non-corrupted item similar to the imprinted item

[eternal zinc]

Alright. How similar are they?

[gray ingot]

by "right" build d you mean zhp builds(like rn trap flask and ballista are the strongest rogue builds and both zhp)? or what builds do you have in mind for guile conversion

[placid plinth]

same rules as currently. It's just like imprinting any item with a mod on it that can't be dropped now.

[eternal zinc]

A mod can't be dropped = affixes which available from current normal pools, like we imprinting normal items?
Btw... Any updates for guides & tooltips about how imprint work in 1.4?

[timid fjord]

For refracted slots on idol altars that have 'increased effect of idols in refracted slots' would idol being in two slots double the bonus or is it on/off kind of bonus?

[eternal zinc]

For #1. Risks here mean lose runes of corruption? If runes of corruption is guaranteed to drop from omen windows, why risks are here?

[placid plinth]

sorry, I made a mistake, you can't imprint corrupted items (you could at one point but I didn't realize it got patched out)

[cursive sparrow]

are idol templates tradable/available on prophecies/cof bonuses?

[eternal zinc]

Thanks, I want to ask which type of risk do you mean in your answer for #1

[placid plinth]

when you corrupt an item, there is a chance for it to become unable to be equipped at all, effectively destroying the item

[eternal zinc]

Thanks. It's what I stuck!

🤔 I prefer to buy corrupted items directly indeed

[placid plinth]

an idol being in a refracted slot or not is a binary state and is not a multiplier per slot. (tested it to make sure)

[placid plinth]

I don't have a specific build in mind for it but rather I just mean that they are generally designed to be built around. A less extreme example being that you are probably not going to build huge ward or reduced damage taken from crits and take madness.

[gray ingot]

what about idol amplification from refracted slot, is it multiplicative with increased idol effect

[proven rune]

Can we take dot values and double or triple them so theyre on par with crit builds?

The build I wanna make strong is flamereave ignite stacking with enchant weapon to pop the ignite stacks.

[placid plinth]

multiple sources of increased values for the same thing are additive with each other (I just double checked this in game)

[placid plinth]

they are tradable on the bazaar. I can't find a prophecy about them yet though. Might just be having bad luck.

[placid plinth]

maybe, drop it in #suggestions if you'd like us to consider it

[gray ingot]

are cof getting some bonuses to rune of corruption drops (i guess they are not a part of prophesies) but maybe they are dropped from omens which are considered bossesd for cof bonus or somrthing?

[placid plinth]

just the normal rune drop bonuses

[gray ingot]

yikes, okay

[eternal zinc]

It scale with character level and corruption only

#💬┃general message
I asked similar question to Holly, it's her answer

[gentle thorn]

With zhp builds already breaking the game (5-20k corruption), what was the design thought process in deciding to have everything revealed so far about corruption being so heavily tailored towards zhp builds?

Then, can we expect more stuff from corruption aimed for more tanky builds?

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure I can agree on the premise of the question enough to answer it properly. Tanky builds will also significantly benefit from many potential corruption outcomes.

[gentle thorn]

Could you point out specifically where tanky builds will benefit from it? Sure, we saw a few decent corrupted affixes, like %max hp as end threshold, but from what we know, the vast majority of "positive" effects are only good for zhp build, like all the attributes conversions or the 3 new corrupted based revealed today
There's clearly a theme of trading defense for offense with corruption

[placid plinth]

without going to look through them to find specific examples, I'd have to say things like %max hp and end threshold

[gentle thorn]

that's the one example we know and I gave
vs everything else towards zhp

[placid plinth]

there is also every other defensive affix in the game that can come from it too.

[crude plover]

Note that not all corrupted affixes and stuff are a tradeoff of defense for offense

[placid plinth]

the general theme of the corrupted attributes is along those lines

those are 2 examples of non offense at the cost of defense style corrupted affix

[gentle thorn]

Good to know there'll be more options for tanky builds
But it still feels weird that attributes conversions and the new corrupted bases are so heavily trading defense for offense, in a game where zhp has always been an issue for balance
Having offense and defense as affixes is still a 50-50, then tilted towards zhp with attributes/bases
Hopefully there's stuff we dont know about that will restore that balance

[inner quest]

I guess on the flip side, I'm interested in whether or not corruption outcomes (affixes, base types, stats, whatever) exist that do the opposite, and trade offense for defense

[placid plinth]

there were but the feedback on them made it clear that it was not ideal

"same as ruined" was the tldr on those

[inner quest]

that's unfortunate, I disagree heavily with that feedback lol

maybe it should be something you can opt in to or out of, like weighted corruption outcomes via weaver tree passives, or aggressive/defensive rune variants

[placid plinth]

that's probably getting a little too in the weeds with the system, kinda like prophecy lenses a bit

[gentle thorn]

So I was right, it was a deliberate decision to go towards trading defense for offense as a theme
Since you somehow received feedbacks people dont like defensive stats

[placid plinth]

No, sorry for the miscommunication, it was that players didn't like giving up damage, those defensive stats just don't have the negative offensive stats attached to them any more.

[fluid plank]

Sorry if these were answered already, I'm late to the party:

1. From what I gathered - you can use Rune of Corruption on idols; Can it be used on all types of idols, even the 1x1's?
2. Do Idol Altars always drop corrupted? If not, can you use the reroll numeric implicit/explicit values runes on them?
3. Are the locations and number of refracted slots on Altars fixed or random on every Idol Altar item?

[jaunty dune]

are you saying at some point in development there used to be corruption outcomes that gave a defensive stat and a negative offensive stat and now those outcomes only give the defensive stat without the downside?

[placid plinth]

yes

[gentle thorn]

Without nerfing the defensive numbers accordingly?

[placid plinth]

There was a massive overhaul point where the vast majority of all affixes completely changed. I don't know the specific changes for each.

[placid plinth]

1. I can't check the 1x1 right now but I'll check that later.
2. Yes, no.
3. fixed. Each of the altar base types have the same layout configurations as other altars of the same base type. It's like how each Longsword has the same implicit values.

[gentle thorn]

Sorry about all these questions, it felt the new stuff we discovered today were only good for zhp
And a lot of players prefers to play "ethical" non-zhp builds
But good to know it wasnt forgotten

[inner quest]

realistically players don't like giving up anything, that's why they're downsides not upsides.. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single category of downside every player is ok with, so unless there's some way to skew towards specific types of downsides.. clearly too late for this iteration but maybe a suggestion for the future

[gentle thorn]

ya, I would have liked to have bigger defensive bonuses with an offensive downside

[placid plinth]

Yea, I guess I'd just say, get your hands on it and see how it feels.

[flint bloom]

the cool thing about EHG and their game is once everyone gets their hands on corruption...you can give #feedback on it

[barren roost]

Lolol tell that to every back mtx in the game but one! 😂😂

[cold panther]

Hey Mike, what do you think about zhp builds in action rpgs? Do you think there should be more mechanics in LE that punish zhp approaches? Personally I always feel stupid juggling defense stats in my builds when seeing people run around naked without any downside

[placid plinth]

looks like 1x1 is corruptable

[placid plinth]

I like having the variety. Not a huge fan of playing them myself.

[timid fjord]

So back when Idol altars were first teased their layouts were shown in kind of runic markings above the altar.
Now in todays reveal those runic markings were replaced by showing the actual altar as slightly tilted item.
Were the runic markings removed in favour of the item image or just something used for todays reveal?
Because I found the old markings really cool looking.

here is link to the teaser that had the them
#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[placid plinth]

The version shown today is the current version that will launch with the patch. I also liked those old ones.

[fluid plank]

I also like the old ones, but since Idol Altars are items, that would be inconsistent, imagine if you put on a Red Ring and instead of the item art for the unique/base type it would have just the artistic representation of a ring (like on the Echo reward screen) when you move it from your inventory to your equipment

[delicate osprey]

Idol Altar are probably always corrupted, right?

[fluid plank]

Yes #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[jaunty dune]

the post today says that omen idols have "prefixes and suffixes of the same power as 1x4 or 4x1 idols, and the potential to roll with modifiers otherwise only available on 1x4, 4x1, or 2x2 idols"

does this mean that both 1x3 and 3x1 omen idols have access to mods from 1x4, 4x1, and 2x2 idols? or are mods still restricted between the two different shapes of omen idols? And what's meant by the 'power' of affixes? I don't think any affixes are shared between idol shapes so does that mean that if a 3x1 rolled, for example, 'damage over time' that the value would scale higher than it typically does even though that stat isn't available on 4x1 idols?

[viral adder]

(the example shown in the post is a 1x3 with affixes from the 2x2 and 4x1 pools, which is presumably indicative that they aren't shape locked)

[crisp shell]

Sentinel adorned and huge idols both have block effectiveness suffixes. Do our Omen idols have two identical suffixes or did you remember to truncate the duplicate?

[verbal pine]

any chance there are unique altars?

[placid plinth]

no

[placid plinth]

it's actually just 1 affix that is available on multiple items

[crisp shell]

Interesting. So the idol type itself determines the value range?

[crude plover]

(roll values are different between some idol shapes because of the scaling on them)

[crude plover]

Yes, goes for all item types

[crisp shell]

Cool. That's a more elegant solution than I expected

[crude plover]

It's why for example intelligence rolls higher on a chest compared to a ring

(and all other affixes that they share)

[timid fjord]

When unique is corrupted can it also roll one of the new corrupted bases while keeping its unique affixes?

[placid plinth]

no, the base types of uniques are intrinsic properties to those uniques.

[storm carbon]

Do unique idols get any benefit from refracted slots?

[final cave]

Are altar affixes and slot layout tied in some way in the idol altar slot machine item generation? Or are they independent?

[fluid plank]

3rd point #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[final cave]

Sorry that is not the same question

[fluid plank]

Elaborate

[final cave]

You are asking about refracted slots. I am asking about the item affixes.

[jaunty dune]

(i thought the same thing at first) Grandpappy wants to know if certain affixes can only appear on certain idol alter layouts, or if it's a free for all

[fluid plank]

Ah, that makes sense

[final cave]

Does slot layout constrain the item affixes to a certain set? Similar to how certain affixes only appear on chest item

[pine egret]

Will Ash Wake Boots be tied to pinnacle content or will more casual players have access to it?

[placid plinth]

no (but kinda technically yes because it is the same as how chest items restrict which affixes they can have but for what you're asking, no. All affixes which can go on an altar can go on any altar.)

[final cave]

All altar affixes are restricted to altars, but not constrained to any subset of altars?

[placid plinth]

They are a normal world drop at lvl 40 so they are pretty accessible and can drop as early as the campaign.

[placid plinth]

yea

[restive slate]

EHG, my question is, in the meantime before Transmog is released as a feature, could we please get some simple, clean, classic fantasy RPG cosmetics in the shop? I buy all the support packs every season, but the trend of the cosmetics being very over-the-top, flashy, glittery, spiky, and complicated is very unappealing to me, it's visually difficult to read the aesthetic and understand what I'm looking at... Seems like EHG is trying too hard to make "unique" looking cosmetics amongst their competitors, rather than visually appealing ones.

With love from a huge fan.

[flint bloom]

this is more a #feedback thing than a question. if you throw it in that channel it will get to the right people

[restive slate]

Thanks will do

[flint bloom]

but generally if its ever a 'could we get....' the answer is yes its possible.

[static birch]

What kind of decision / research and guidance do EHG use in order to determine stuff like the actual value of chances to brick an item using a corruption rune?
For example, if, say, 5%. Why 5% and not 10% or 2%? how do you make sure players keep their morale through the process without losing it due to a high brick rate?

[pine egret]

If and When could we expect to see a Solo Self Found ladder?

[brisk jackal]

Is it that Omen Idols cannot gain weaver's suffixes through enchantment due to always being corrupted?

[storm carbon]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/rune-of-corruption-and-idol-altars-coming-to-last-epoch-march-26/80544/26?u=zeckar

[eternal zinc]

EHG: Because 5% looks the most cool in testing!

[terse charm]

Are we getting a DLC with new class?🌚

@plucky badge

[crude plover]

The paradox class and the orobyss expansion are still quite far away, you're incredibly unlikely to get any information regarding them currently

[terse charm]

Paradox class?!

Like the 7th class from POE?

[crude plover]

Kinda? not sure what you mean tbh. The paradox class will be unique somehow and will come as paid dlc alongside the orobyss expansion (which will be free for existing players)

You can read more about both here:
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-s-season-4-and-beyond-expansion-paradox-classes-and-roadmap/80152

[inner quest]

I think they mean like scion/ascendant from PoE, theoretically combining aspects from various different classes/masteries in LE (like a hybrid void knight / bladedancer / spellblade or something).. which I could see, we have no info though

[rotund wolf]

every arpg has to have a corruption mechanic now, if someone has to ask "how will players maintain their morale using this mechanic," seems like a shit mechanic

most arpg players seem to be gambling addicts

[static birch]

This is a game design question aimed towards EHG that asks them about their own way of tuning and figuring out their correct or best way to handle a mechanic such as corruption from a player experience perspective, not one for the general public asking how item corruption works/designed. Otherwise I would have asked this in #❔┃ask-the-community.

Thanks.

[brisk jackal]

Will the game be on sale during the S4?

[river flume]

If Rune of corruption can be used on 0FP items, can it also be used on mirrored items?

[fluid axle]

Does Brutality affect minions that do melee attacks that are pulled from the player's skill? e.g. bear using EQ, etc

[fast gazelle]

apologies if this has been asked already, but can you convert more than 100% of a stat into a corrupted stat?

[storm carbon]

I wanted to bump this and also ask if the Brutality bonus dmg is specific to the melee portion of the attack or if it's generic and passes to subskills and such?

[red urchin]

will umbral blades dropped from the umbral remnant node be able to make shadows from the new calling card node?

[fast gazelle]

wasn't there an update to dancing strikes that got teased? like it would now gain damage based on attack speed?

[placid plinth]

no

[placid plinth]

In general, it starts out as a gut instinct backed by experience with similar systems elsewhere. It then goes through a lot of internal feedback and iteration. We sometimes do up some graphs to help visualize it in discussions. Then when we are pretty confident in it, the community tester program gets involved and we get feedback from a wider audience that maybe isn't so personally invested in how the system comes out. We also guage reactions from people who haven't tried it but learn about it from announcements. That last one hold the least weight because hands on experience is better but also a wider variety of feedback is important.

This specific number has changed so so so many times over the course of development for it.

[plucky badge]

Yes, it will be on sale.

[steady abyss]

No, unique idols cannot have their effects buffed by refracted slots, similar to how unique effects are not passed on to minions, such as with Manifest Armor.

[jaunty dune]

yesterday we saw '3 mana per idol in a refracted slot', that would still work with unique idols, right? but the 'increased effect' affixes wouldn't work?

[steady abyss]

Yes, that's just counting how many idols are refracted, not scaling the idols themselves.

[steady abyss]

Yes, you can corrupt an item you mirrored with Rune of Creation. (and I would recommend using that to have a backup if you really like the item!)

[quaint spindle]

to clarify though - Rune of Creation requires FP

(so no uniques etc)

[cold panther]

is the new Spellblade node "Flame drinker" on the right side of the spellblade tree? Or can other ascensions get it as well?

[red urchin]

I think you should specify that you're using RoC as rune of creation, not rune of corruption haha

[quaint spindle]

lmao yes

corrected - ty @full geyser

[red urchin]

no problem, but you tagged someone else lmao, very similar usernames haha

[pine dome]

Brutality bonus dmg is specific to the melee portion of the attack or if it's generic and passes to subskills and such?

[quaint spindle]

I clearly need a nap

[placid plinth]

it gives the ability object the stat "more damage" so it applies to ailments created by it and subskills triggered by it too.

[kindred zealot]

does the Dragon Tongue notable in Disintegrate convert its more fire damage to more lightning damage if Disintegrate's damage is forcibly converted to lightning via Electrify to cancel Infernal Ray's fire conversion?

[steady abyss]

Flame Drinker is still in the Spellblade only section of the tree.

[placid plinth]

No, the node always applies fire damage.

[plain spindle]

Hi Mike, todays Rogue teaser blog says Shadow Rend is unlocked at char level 7. For Bladestorm there is no information. Is it gonna be unlocked when you reach 20 passive points in Rogue tree?

[placid plinth]

Bladestorm is 10 rogue passive points to unlock

also I see shadow rend unlocking at lvl 3

[plain spindle]

Oh nice, so you probably moved Decoy to 20 and Cinder Strike aswell since CS is lvl 7?

[placid plinth]

Cinder lvl 7
Decoy lvl 16

I am technically looking on a branch that has deviated from the launch version of S4 so it's possible (but extremely unlikely) that this isn't accurate.

[plain spindle]

Thank you ❤️

[placid plinth]

Shurikens lvl 2
Shadow Rend lvl 3
Acid Flask lvl 4
Puncture lvl 5
Shift lvl 6
Cinder Strike lvl 7
Decoy lvl 16

Smoke Bomb Rogue 5
Bladestorm Rogue 10
Ballista Rogue 15
Umbral Blades Rogue 20

[plain spindle]

Awesome thank u for the list

[sturdy ridge]

Is Acid Flask getting buffed this season?

[placid plinth]

with item corruption, everything is getting buffed

[sturdy ridge]

what about its base damage?

when its not fire or cold

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure, patch notes soon

[lyric wigeon]

Would you consider buffing the amount of potions that drop from bosses with increased potion chance? i recently played a potion oriented acid flask with elecoe's and was surprised how little potions drop from bosses compared to echoes even with alot of chance to find potions equipped

[placid plinth]

maybe, drop it in #suggestions if you'd like it to be considered

[pine dome]

This node does not mention direct cast of Lightning Blast, does it include Indirect cast such as Dragorath Claw ?

[placid plinth]

It does not care how the lightning blast was cast at all. Indirect from Dragorath Claw will work.

[static birch]

Regarding the idol affixes in the style of "% Chance to cause an aftershock on melee hit", what is the cooldown on this effect?

[placid plinth]

10 triggers per 2s

[static birch]

Do we have extensive tooltip, or any indicator to how we can buff the damage outcome of the aftershock?

[placid plinth]

holding alt on a node which references it in the tree should bring up the skill tooltip
https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/earthquake_aftershock

[limpid pelican]

is more damage per mana cost from brutality going to effect indirect casts like cascade from shift(which doesnt spend any mana) or cascade from sync strike

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure, from a very cursory glance, I think it might but I don't think it should.

[limpid pelican]

well I feel like a snitch now

[young glacier]

with the skill "blade storm" being moved from umbral blades, does aerial assault still have a way to cast the blade storms* or will we have to self cast blade storm

[storm carbon]

it remains umbral blades per forum reply

[young glacier]

does this mean you can still use aerial assault to cast umbral blades and convert the umbral blades to blade storms still?

[placid plinth]

I could have sworn we made a way for bladestorm to still work.

Umbral blades doesn't convert to bladestorm any more

[young glacier]

: (

[storm carbon]

Oh I lied I read the reply wrong, it was in regard to shadows dropping blades not the Aerial Assault

that's my bad, so your question is still valid as far as I know

[pine chasm]

It scales with the aftershock nodes in earthquake's skill tree, btw

[young glacier]

if aeriel assault still cast umbral blades, and umbral blades still has the ability to make blade storms, then aerial assault just got so much juicier especcially for leveling, but if there is no way to make blade storms from arial assault then i think the shadow daggers aerial assualt build might be flipped on its head or worse

thats all i was worried about really

in the endgame rogue is going to be rogue regarless

its either going to one shot, or going to get one shot

[regal stratus]

one of the earlier teasers for rune of corruption showed the new amulet with 2 corruptions on it. Is this a thing that can happen on all items or amulets only, or was it a mistake?

[crude plover]

Item in question:

[pine dome]

Hi Mike, if I trigger Upheaval through Fury Leap/Maul, does it benefit from More Dmg from Brutality ?

[crude plover]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[night tusk]

Do we have a ETA on the blade storm tree and if not will there be a conversion node other than lightning

[crude plover]

I mean we'll have patch notes this friday, so at the latest then

[fierce shuttle]

is umbral blades losing its shadow dagger interaction?

[young glacier]

god i hope not

[ember topaz]

Hello! Can you confirm if the "Heat Flux" meteor node:
Meteors cast Frost Claw towards a nearby enemy on impact, consuming 120% of Frost Claw's mana cost.
Is per meteor ball thing, or per cast of meteor skill itself?

[steady abyss]

Per meteor ball 🔥

[verbal pine]

good gosh...

[steady abyss]

Not a mistake; that teaser shows an item that can exist.

[steady abyss]

Umbral Blades is still capable of inflicting Shadow Dagger. 🗡️

[bleak pasture]

how much has volcanic orb's damage effectiveness been increased?

[placid plinth]

Unless that info is in one of the posts, number details like that will be in the patch notes.

[bleak pasture]

okay thank you

[quaint holly]

are patchnotes last hype week day aka tomorrow ?

[timid fjord]

yeah should be around <t:1774022400:R>

[quaint holly]

awww yisss

[quaint spindle]

Patch notes Friday

[uncut sky]

Does detonating arrow still count as a bow attack when used with jelkhor's blast knife? In testing it doesn't appear to proc bow mastery, but it does not remove the "bow attack" tag when I have the knife equipped.

If not, does it then scale with melee attack speed as well as melee damage?

[crude plover]

It does not

It deals melee damage and scales with attack speed

The dagger gives bonus melee damage to direct cast det arrow. Would be worthless if it didn't convert it

[uncut sky]

So that makes it kinda shit then with Jelkhor's, cause you can't get any of the marksman passives and you don't have access to the right side of bladedancer passive tree?

[inner quest]

That's kind of the entire point of Jelkor's, check the flavor text. Jelkhor was "the greatest archer and artificer in all of Majasa's domain" and lost his left hand, forcing him to learn how to fight without a bow.

[crude plover]

The dagger by itself does completely remove the bow tag.

If you checked the tooltip really quickly it might not have updated yet

I'm not aware of any nodes that would add the bow tag back in

[uncut sky]

Ahhh gotcha. Yeah I checked the tool tip immediately after equipping so it must not have updated. Thanks!

[uncut sky]

Fair enough. Seems cooler in concept than in practice lmao

[mint creek]

Hi all, i own all supporter packs of the game, but on the forums i have none of the titles. Anything i can do to fix tihs?

[crude plover]

Please contact support

!support

[fiery lily]

Anything we can help with? We've support articles and a contact form at https://support.lastepoch.com/.

[frank panther]

[plucky badge]

Note that if you purchased the Season 4 Supporter Packs, you won't get those until the season launches on March 26.

[mint creek]

That's understandeable, but I got s3/2/1 and ultimate edition etc as well. I created a ticket for it, but obviously not gamebreaking or anything

[flint bloom]

Post says forum titles get added at purchase

As it does on steam iirc. Its just the ingame cosmetics that arent added

[plucky badge]

My team will respond to you swiftly to get it sorted out!

[pine dome]

Will the new pinnacle boss be Season only until someone kills it?

[timid fjord]

In the revealed idol altar layouts there are some that have more space together with more refracted slots, can some of the altar modifiers be negative so that the choice of using those layouts is having to navigate the negatives. If not I'll just assume they are rarer drops

[tidal thicket]

Hey Derrick, could you ask one of your system engineers if Increased Rive Area also increases the pull area from the 'Challenge' skill perk, that makes the second hit pull enemies in? Couldnt find anything online or in the description.

[plucky badge]

Best to put your suggestion here!

[tidal thicket]

Will do

[eternal galleon]

I don't understand one of the nodes for Shadow Rend that was teased. Shadow Massacre seems to me to have the same function as using Shadow Cascade on its own, but with extra mana cost. Does the wording of Shadow Rend make this function any different from using Shadow Cascade or any other trigger for Shadow Cascade? I assume you get the Shadow recursion from Unending Twilight when consuming them this way at least?

Would the Shadow Cascades from this skill gain any benefit from something like the Coated Blades passive in the rogue basic passive tree? The wording seemed different on the trigger, I don't think I've seen another skill use the word 'imitate' before.

[plucky badge]

I responded to a similar question on the forums, one sec

[plucky badge]

lmk if these answers help

[gentle thorn]

With the Volcanic Orb sets, making them orbit:
Do all the VOrbs procced from the set and cast by you:

1. always spawn in front of you, or randomly around you
2. are potentially able to stack at the same position / overlap, or something is forcing them to never stack / overlap

[eternal galleon]

This did partially help yes, I am still a little lost on the benefit of making Shadow Cascade consume mana per shadow by pressing Shadow Rend instead of just pressing Shadow Cascade or triggering it from something like Shift. Does this allow SC to benefit from other SR nodes that we haven't seen? Wondering what the intent behind this node is more than a mechanical explanation if you get what I mean

[pine chasm]

I was confused on this, too, but aside from the QoL of being one button press, the node they show right after gives 60% chance to not consume the shadow, which is pretty substantial. (Might be other nodes, too.)
At its base effect though, I think it's fair to say it's primarily a bow user node.

[storm carbon]

was gonna say this, also with the new set you can essentially maintain shadow gen using 1 skill, so the mana consume is a cost for that QoL

[eternal galleon]

Agreed, the two nodes shown deff lean toward a bow synergy. Seems hard to make the 6m distance to proc those when you're trying to stack your shadows on top of enemies in melee. We'll see what the rest of the tree looks like, thanks

[rustic rivet]

are we getting any uniques or node buffs to the runemaster builds that involve randomizing invocations? Like this, but more viable late game: https://youtu.be/oFyT9ovcpYc?si=wwQPKyMY56iABhjx

[plucky badge]

I will say more details about other balance, class, etc. adjustments will be included in Patch Notes tomorrow.

[jaunty obsidian]

What are the T8 affix values for the Apiarist Reforged?

[exotic bone]

Jormun's set 3 set items bonus is 10% crit multi
is that an early april fool's joke or am i missing something

[limpid pelican]

can "chance to not consume potion when you use a potion and restore at leasty 20% of maximum health" on the jormun set be converted to ward with "potion health converted to ward" I know it works with flat modifiers but would like to know how it works with %

[mild rivet]

Kuzon's Set:
"Throwing a burning dagger grants a stack of Dancing Dragon (...)"

Cinder Strike's Firebreathing node:
"You now also throw 5 Burning Daggers in a cone in front of you on Cinder Strike's first attack." [a different subskill than regular burning dagger sources, technically]

Could you confirm or deny that these effects work together?
(on a similar note, would it count Shadows throwing burning daggers with the Umbral Conflagration node?)

[verbal pine]

hey typo in the in the rogue armor set helmet for dopplerganger. it says dust and not dusk

[exotic kindle]

The art design for doppelganger is sick. Can we get this as a mtx and other things that look similar to this?

[plucky badge]

Already fixed 🙂

Cause we're SUPER FAST

[verbal pine]

if transmog is still in the works then no need to worry

[plucky badge]

heh

Fixing Pyrolith too

[gentle thorn]

While you're fixing typo, there's got to be one on the 3p Jormun set bonus

[flint bloom]

can you expand on this a little bit? it says the lead up quests were removed...but they are still there on the bar? why are the breakpoints there if not for the quests?

[sturdy ridge]

Amazing sets , and uniques. Also a HUGE THANK YOU for removing QUEST ECHOES! ❤️

You definitely cooked this season!

[tawdry pilot]

I wonder if stats for campgain complete is gone too or added to normal monos (Please)

[teal trail]

is the 3 set bonus on jormuns set a typo? +10% crit multiplier?

[plucky badge]

Checking on that

[fluid plank]

Optional quest echoes were removed, a.k.a. the ones in the Empowered Monos, the normal mono ones are not optional at first.
At least I think this is what it means. We saw a screenshot of an empowered mono awhile ago and it didn't have quest echoes

[plucky badge]

10% is correct

[teal trail]

that seems really weak

[mighty fossil]

that's a tier 2 affix for a 3 set piece bonus, seems on the weak end

[fluid plank]

Yeah that's weird, I would assume (2) bonus and the (3) were swapped on accident or smth

[vast arch]

Thats a T2 critical multiplier, unless this was supposed to be crit chance? Doesn't make sense to me otherwise

[plain spindle]

No worries, until next thursday you can easily add another 0 😉

[teal trail]

or make it 10% more crit damage

[plucky badge]

I'm just sharing the information I know 😄

[verbal pine]

lol dont shoot the messenger

[fluid plank]

Shooting the messanger lmao

[static birch]

Bonus effects should have escalating power, not de-escalating one 🙁

[mighty fossil]

if we shoot the messenger with that set bonus he won't even feel it lol

[exotic kindle]

I am pleased with the animations especially the lightning one. Good job! @plucky badge

[teal trail]

it just looked wierd imo, like very out of place, it wouldn't even really matter if there was no set bonus tbh
the base items look really good

[proven rune]

will shrapnel on the meteor node be able to proc frostclaw?

[jaunty obsidian]

Does Natural Wrath also convert the subskills? (Aftershock, Shockwave, Shatter Totem)

[tawdry pilot]

For the love of god Please tell me you removed +1 all stats quests or moved them to monos

[gentle thorn]

Isnt there a typo on the implicit stats of the Kuzon's Guise?

[placid plinth]

looks like it
that tooltip was made in photoshop, it's right in game

[plucky badge]

I'll update it

[long merlin]

For the Devs/CMs

What is the reason behind the limiting colors in the "map icon" section of the loot filter...

There are currently 18 colors to chose from if you want to recolor..
We get more beam colors now it seems.

But why are map icons still limited to the predetermined colors?
(key+legendary & exalt+obsidian are pretty much the same aswell)

Why can't just all color options get the same flexibility the recolor option have? Does it have a deeper intention i don't see?
Add the color palette option to each setting?! 🙂

(The teaser GIF still shows the old color model for map icons)

[plain spindle]

Did you remove the quest echoes for both normal and empowered mono? Because in some teasers i could still see the quest echoes in normal mono.

[exotic kindle]

Is the patch notes gonna be out during livestream tomorrow?

[eternal galleon]

Just wanted to let you guys know that this hype post, with all the little details here and there, was probably the best one yet. So much to absorb, very exciting!

[flint bloom]

before the stream, same time as the other posts this week

[plucky badge]

Updated

[exotic kindle]

Is Reign of Winter unique bow getting any love in s4? For an LPL 70 item it feels weak and outdated and should also have a frostbite chance in it.

[pine dome]

You will have to wait tomorrow patch note

[steady abyss]

We only removed the optional quest echoes, i.e. those in empowered. Normal still has quest echoes.

[verbal pine]

awesome thanks!

[ivory dune]

Is it to late to fully remove quest echoes?

[placid plinth]

For Season 4? Yes, about a month late probably.

[dense mulch]

since we're here, i'm not asking for a campaign skip now as i assume the idea is to get to expansion at this point and set it as a new "point zero" of sorts. but something i've always wanted from s2 onwards was to let us run t1 dungeons without a key

[ivory dune]

Ok well if you are looking at removing them in the future feel free to put me down as pro removal. Ive done them dozens of times and still dont understand whats happening. 😀

[pine dome]

Cool #suggestions

[placid plinth]

If you'd like to be on record with that, please drop it in #suggestions

[mighty fossil]

I know I can wait for patch notes tomorrow, but with these new set items seemingly on a higher power level than previous ones, was there a balance pass done on older sets to bring them up to this level?

[placid plinth]

I agree with this but yea, needs to go in suggestions.

[placid plinth]

Most of the older sets have had (mostly minor numerical) buffs.

[gray ingot]

if i convert dancing strikes to fire and use embers primordial.... how wisps will repeat my attacks? if i have create shadow on 2nd strike and cascade on first, do they always copy first or they can copy any? and will those copied attacks trigger whatever i have specced in dancing strikes? and will those attacks give\refresh stacks of rhythm?

[limpid pelican]

hi mike, can "chance to not consume potion when you use a potion and restore at least 20% of maximum health" on the jormun set be converted to ward with "potion health converted to ward" I know it works with flat modifiers but would like to know how it works with % restore

[dense mulch]

done 🙂

[tawdry pilot]

SO whats the change? It changes nothing

[short ingot]

Will season 4 sale be different than current Steam Spring sale? It's 20% off and ends 26 March

[plucky badge]

It won't be different

[plain spindle]

Can i ask for a visual teaser for fire Shadow Cascade? 🙂

[placid plinth]

I'm not sure, I was going to test it but I'm dealing with a big merge conflict at the moment and won't be able to load in for a bit. If it works with flat, then it should just work like normal with percentage too. the "at least 20% of maximum health" would just set the heal value pre conversion to be at least 20% of maximum health then effects happen.

[limpid pelican]

the flat ones are health gained on potion use, so the difference is it saying restore but Im guessing its just to explain it better rather than having it work differently

[plucky badge]

RE: 10% Critical Strike Multiplier for Jormun's Set

From Justin: Yes, the focus of the set is the 2 piece bonus. We wanted the set to have 3 pieces, 2 weapons and a belt, to give you plenty of options on how you reach that 2 piece bonus, and didn't want players to feel forced to equip the entire set. So the 3 piece bonus is very minor.

[peak monolith]

Do the new uniques and set items have models that match how they look?

[placid plinth]

The things that go in your hands (weapons, shields etc) will.

[peak monolith]

Thanks, follow-up to that, I know it has been talked about before but is the goal to gradually make every/most unique models to actually match the look?

[placid plinth]

yea, we just make more items than we can do the models for

[ivory dune]

Have you been doing minor visual and particle effect updates all season long? Im pretty familiar with the game but took a month break. Things look better and lighting seems improved as well as fog.

[ivory dragon]

Will the new crafting tutorial quest be skippable (the first time; I see it's not required on alts) or will we need to complete for progression? Could be annoying on scf runs.

[last hemlock]

can an upheaval totem consume storm stacks to cast earthquake wit hthe new Primalist Idol Natural Wrath?

[sturdy ridge]

Is there more uniques and sets yet to be revealed? 👀

[little raptor]

How do you guys feel about just not having a 3 piece set bonus for the set even though it has 3 pieces? I feel like that would resolve questions around why the 3 piece bonus is so lackluster, it would just be pick 2 of three

EDIT: to be clear, since there is a strongly implied suggestion here, my question is specifically if there was a particular design reason that you wanted to have a token 3 piece bonus

[ember topaz]

Is chance to not consume potions additive or multiplicative?

Jormun's Thirst gives;

... Chance to not consume a potion when you use a potion and restore at least 20% of maximum health

[mighty umbra]

Are you wanna infinity bee? 😹

[steady abyss]

No, the alt text for the idol clarifies this:

Upheaval hits from minions cannot trigger this effect
(totems are minions)

[gray ingot]

can we have some clarifications about fire dancing strikes with embers pls?

[exotic kindle]

I would rather they be optional than completely removed. The story is cool. Let the people whp want lore enjoy.

[steady abyss]

Additive, but there is a relevant patch note:

"Chance to not consume a Potion on Potion use" affix is now capped at 75%.

[ember topaz]

bruh

[placid plinth]

cool, however just like the post I replied to, if you want it on record, please use #suggestions or #feedback .

[little raptor]

If Power Surge is replacing Essence of Control in the Mana Strike tree, does that mean we can no longer reduce the Mana Arc cost to zero? Or is Explosive Flurry getting more points?

[pine dome]

On the topic of that idol
Does all subskills from Upheaval and EQ (aftershocks) convert to lightning ?

[pine chasm]

Along that thread, do upheaval's nodes get any conversions? Several of them are "locked" as either phys or cold to incentivize gearing them differently, but if lightning a significant portion of the skill tree will be dead

[steady abyss]

It's based on which stash you have access to, so since SCF characters each have their own stash, they will always have the tutorial. It does give you a movement speed ring though, so hopefully that makes up for the short time spent clicking the UI.

For reference, I just speed ran the tutorial in 15sec without practice. I'm sure blasters will easily beat my current world record time. 😉

[steady abyss]

I tested out a few nodes for you and this is what I found:

• Wisps will do a fire AoE when they repeat Dancing Strikes, regardless of which attack procced it.
• If they repeat your first attack and you have Hidden Blade, they will also use Shadow Cascade.
• If they repeat your second attack and you have Shadow Steps, they will also create a Shadow (up to your limit).
• If they repeat your second or fourth attack and you have Windmill Ballet, they will also have a chance to throw Shurekins.
• The wisps don't impact your Rhythm stacks, because Rhythm specifies it happens "when you use Dancing Strikes."

[gray ingot]

awesome, thanks a lot

[gilded current]

Don't know if this is the right place for this, but would it be possible to add into the Legend Supporter Pack a free friend copy of the base game? Might be a good way to encourage the veterans to buy more supporter packs and also spreads the game to new blood.

[gentle thorn]

Could you confirm we'll be able to corrupt set items too?

[jaunty dune]

does the new unique idol that converts earthquake to lightning damage also convert aftershocks? or does it leave them alone like the conversion in the tree does?

[valid marlin]

#suggestions is the right place. I like this idea

[opaque rain]

Will we be getting more classes at any point?

[steady abyss]

If you can equip it (and it's not already corrupted), you can corrupt it.

[flint bloom]

at some point, yes.

we know they have a paid 'paradox' class coming in/around the expansion

they have had talks about other classes and masteries, but none are coming next season

[opaque rain]

Ok thank you, am hoping for another Girl class

[little raptor]

Regarding the set bonus for the Keplahan set, does void volcanic orb count as being a volcanic orb of a "different element" for the increased duration? Additionally, if you trigger multiple volcanic orbs simultaneously, such as via flame rush and one of the rings at the same time, does trigger order matter here or do they just look at the last one cast before that?

[cinder wind]

Will artifice of devestations' explosive trap proc from bladestorm be for each individual bladestorm? Or will multiple bladestorms share the same 1 second cooldown?

[sturdy ridge]

Question : Bee set is not class locked right?

[placid plinth]

void is a different element than fire or cold
nothing actually happens simultaneously, each will look at the one immediately before it. If two of the same type are triggered by one ability, the second one is not different than the first.

[placid plinth]

global

[placid plinth]

yes

[little raptor]

thanks! guess ill have to figure out which proc happens first then...

[lavish walrus]

with the introduction of "Knowledge" now being the requirement to unlock empowered monos, do monos still need to ran in progression sequence to unlock the next ones or can we skip and go straight for the 80+?

[cinder wind]

Thanks for your answer. Does it use explosive traps skill tree? So trapas would change the amount thrown?

[steady abyss]

You can run the non-90 timelines in whichever order you choose.

From the hype week post:

All players will immediately have access to all of the regular Timelines, except for the three level 90+ Timelines.

[jaunty dune]

bumping this q

[steady abyss]

Yes it uses Explosive Trap's tree, but it counts as an indirect cast.

Alt text:

Counts as being indirectly thrown by you. Modifiers to throwing area affect the targeting area.

[uncut sky]

Patch notes at 12EST tomorrow?

[steady abyss]

I can answer this tomorrow 🌩️

[steady abyss]

Not sure of the exact timing. I would assume it would be the same time as the hype week posts.

[sturdy ridge]

How many new uniques are coming to S4?