💬┃general

[fathom umbra]

anyway... back to positive things; Im hyped af

[lucid herald]

The gold filtering for high runes and despair glyphs is cool and all but it makes it hard to read the text

I'd much rather be able to control that filter colour to know exactly what I just got before I suck it up into the crafting inventory never to be seen again

[tiny jacinth]

I'm just more happy I can hide all the glyphs I have too much of

haven't played the game in a long time but I remember that lol

[lucid herald]

I dont hide mats, because the way I see it one click to loot the screen isnt enough friction to ever stop picking them up

[iron mango]

Are people upset a free to play game needs a revenue stream to stay alive?

[lucid herald]

Even if I have 10k hope glyphs, its better than ever running out and needing to shamefully put them back on my filter

[tiny jacinth]

one click adds up though every single mob, gets tiresome.

[tender marsh]

Nice primalist is getting animation updates. Now my tempest strike with 400% attack speed now won't look so janky

[south moat]

Yes
Some of them very much so
and have said that they should've just shut down the studio

[iron mango]

Without that revenue, they will

[dim wedge]

LE is a paid game tho

[south moat]

And they haven't made profit.

[dim wedge]

I saved and paid money for it

[iron mango]

The future content isn't

[lucid herald]

Crafting mats have area loot. There's not enough packs in a monolith zone even at 1k corruption to really tire me out on looting them especially compared to other ARPGs

[earnest oasis]

ask your mom for $20

[dim wedge]

Nu uh + different standards of living in different countries

[fathom umbra]

technically if you dont own base game, when you buy it when expac is out, the expac price (we assume) would get rolled into base price

[tiny jacinth]

yeah I'll have to retest and stuff. I'm def forgetting things. 😄

[earnest oasis]

yeah uh

[icy moat]

i know it says they dont want it but i hope one of the new filter sounds is just a nuclear bomb

[dim wedge]

Also might I mention current economy

[earnest oasis]

your mom cant even give you $20?

[tiny jacinth]

Everyone here pumped for D4 LOH though? Kek!

[dim wedge]

When she can use that 20$ to buy something else

[granite kindle]

man im living in a 3rd world country and i have saved up for le its not that hard

[dim wedge]

True but I gotta do my college it's expensive

(trapped help)

[granite kindle]

yea and im also jobless

kekw

[vivid portal]

Did they ever release a video showcasing the new supporter packs?

[fathom umbra]

every day a new troll smh

[dim wedge]

I was kicked cuz guess what AI

[night marten]

they are on steam and youtube

[dim wedge]

So I'm confused will the future update be paid or free?

Or like its just one new class

[night marten]

the xpac is free, the class is not

they are seperate things

[tender marsh]

Seasons are free. The new paradox classes are not

[dim wedge]

And the game is going f2p or something?

[granite kindle]

just the class .i think

[west ivy]

yes they're on yotuube

[tawdry sluice]

guys, when patch notes? in 2 days?

[dim wedge]

Its alright ig still hate it that they went back on their word but good enuff ig

[night marten]

afaik, no. there hasnt been anything said about it

[south moat]

Tomorrow

[fathom umbra]

I just wanna confirm, when you say free, that's for pre-existing ownership, or... basicalyl what is the case post LE:O launch?

[tawdry sluice]

ty sweet

[night marten]

from what i understand...the xpac is free, the class is not, and they have not said anything about raising the base game price after the xpac

[dim wedge]

Hmmm I'm more concerned how the game is gonna sustain itself

[granite kindle]

after the paid class i think the next expansions is not free after this free expansion

[lucid herald]

On the cost topic, I would sure prefer if the cosmetics were more compelling personally, but I'm not going to sit here and say that the idea of paid classes is killing my desire to play LE. I'm not pumped for it, but if the classes are cool I'll buy them as long as the value is there. $15 for a class is a lot when the base game is $35, but I would honestly pay it. If they want another $25 or more for a class? I'll pass.

[fathom umbra]

Ah mb ok, I swear i hearrd something to the contrary, but I'll just go forward with the knowledge we dont know of price changes 🙂

[night marten]

which is why the announced the paid class (for better or worse). they need more money, so they need to sell more things.

[granite kindle]

they thought they can sustain with skins but theyre bad looking. so they go for the paid class and paid expansions . atleast thats why

[dim wedge]

Bruh they should go f2p if they gon do allat

[tender marsh]

I have yet to hear any season being "you need to pay for this" only classes

[dim wedge]

Drive away more players honestly

[west ivy]

zero confirmation on this though

[night marten]

i mean you probly did there was so much misinformation and pitchforking and assumptions i am sure someone said somewhere that it was. but officially there has been no imformation about a price change for better or worse

[lucid herald]

F2P with paid (semi mandatory) expansions is how you kill a game. Never go full Destiny.

[tender marsh]

it's a made up statement

[earnest oasis]

I like anything but loot boxes.

[gilded notch]

ngl this might be the biggest thing of the patch: "Combat Feel: Enemy Hit Reactions" very nice

[dim wedge]

Lol fr

[west ivy]

last epoch orobyss is an "expansion" but I think it's basically that once the console port happens they'll be adding some extra stuff and that's being considered an expansion that everyone's getting

[tiny jacinth]

LE's pace of development is much slower than D4 for example, but they churn out some great stuff.

[dim wedge]

LE also has a smaller team team than diablo 4

[tiny jacinth]

ya ik

[dim wedge]

Diablo 4 frankly also sucks

[fathom umbra]

Meanwhile D4 be like "copy paste" for the last.. 3-4 seasons (Seasons of power anyone? LOL)

now to be real.. tbf, they ARE improving the game NOW

[gritty helm]

D4 patches are quite small though. For example latest season is kill streaks, butcher transform and Doom skins

[crimson torrent]

imagine getting compare to D4 lol

[dim wedge]

EXACTLY

[tiny jacinth]

idk man. LOH gonna be a banger! u see the fishing they are bringing? 😄

[fathom umbra]

But... i just can't go back to d4, not when i have to pay for another expansion

[night marten]

from teh roadmap there are tons of game changes coming as well. the only thing we dont know is if it will be a 'seasonal' mechanic with it as well

[west ivy]

guild wars 2 has been on this model for many, many years and it's been going well so I think that's more on destiny being bad and doing all the vaulting and such

[dim wedge]

Like with slopwatch

[dim wedge]

Gw2 is more wow type game not arpg, second it's a sub based game

[west ivy]

not sub

[dim wedge]

You get everything with one time purchase

[lucid herald]

Do you need to buy all the xpacs for GW2 though? I thought you could just buy the latest one and you'd be up to date on the content

[granite kindle]

destiny is bad model because the old expansion stuffs are ass after it passes lmao

[tiny jacinth]

yeah it's true, LE's half year update is equivalent to D4's half year as well, more or less. Just seasons are longer.

[dim wedge]

And they disappear

[ancient surge]

They meant latter, maybe?

[west ivy]

each expansion has their own feature you might want to get, like more mounts or specific elite specs

[lucid herald]

Ah okay. It's horizontal

I do think that GW2 is a unique case because of how it's designed

[dim wedge]

Yup my bad it's Swotr

I mixed up

[analog galleon]

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[dim wedge]

Gw is buy to play

But gw2 is f2p

Whereas LE you gotta buy it for 40$

• additional 15-20 buck dlcs and all

[ancient surge]

Go on, I'm listening. What part of the game do you buy of LE past that initial purchase?

[night marten]

there has been no price info on the paid class in LE

[lucid herald]

I would much rather see LE retain its box price and have cheap paid content addons than go F2P and need to upcharge in content addons to stay afloat.

[dim wedge]

No I'm saying for future sustain

It should go f2p sustain servers

[tender marsh]

Last Epoch is doing standard monetization. 40 box price for base game and seasons, some outfits, and each new character needing to be bought. This is standard for ARPG's

[gritty helm]

that would probably require battle passes and loot boxes

[lucid herald]

How does having a higher concurrent user count make the company more money though? Thats what you have to consider

[dim wedge]

More people like game more people spend money

Same happens in slopwatch

[ancient surge]

Probably means go f2p and employ all the shenanigans to extract money from pockets.

[fathom umbra]

I still say "They promised" is a silly thing b/c technically, LE is owned by a different company now, who originally made such promise. In all fairness, LE didn't lie, legally.

[lucid herald]

The cosmetic shop hasn't been working because the offerings aren't that compelling, so assumedly that wouldn't change much in a F2P situation. Money would have to come from elsewhere

[spark shale]

You are right. Some people don't get that.

[ancient surge]

A promise... is kind of impossible to keep for such a long term when you're a company...

[west ivy]

also like things change it's been many years

[dim wedge]

I mean even Fortnite had to increase vbuck price

[west ivy]

look at all kickstarter games where they cut content to get the game out
IF the game gets out at all

[fathom umbra]

If Blizzard promised something and they broke it years later... people would barely blink an eye

[dim wedge]

To pay the bills

[tender marsh]

Diablo 2: Assassin and Druid paid characters, Diablo 3: Necro and Crusader paid characters, Gonna guess D4's amazon is a paid character. D2R just released warlock also a paid character. Torchlight infinite every character is a paid for character. Needing to buy new characters in ARPG is the standard. Only PoE doesn't follow this

[fathom umbra]

some may, but most wont

[tender marsh]

People have to put bread on their table

[west ivy]

fortnite did not "have" to increase vbuck price fortnite makes millions they do not "need" more money, they "want" more money

[ancient surge]

I promise to never charge you more than 40 bucks for the rest of your life if you buy my product that I have to keep paying to keep going. Oh, and I'll do it through economic collapse too!

[lucid herald]

I definitely prefer this to the Blizzard model of attaching a class to a $60 expansion with the kind of content that LE tends to deliver as a free seasonal update

[gritty helm]

what amazon ? It's Warlock, Paladin and Spiritborn if we talk paid characters

[dim wedge]

That's kinda obvious

• I assume licencing rocks face in game is expensive

💀

[night marten]

man this is a whole lotta talk about not LE

shame LE just put out a big ol hype post to talk about instead

[south moat]

What's the best set in your opinion and why is it the Bee one?

[night marten]

ngl i hate minions and i think doppelganger is way better

[fathom umbra]

crap you're right, how bow dem new uniques!! 👀 ❤️

[dim wedge]

LE put out an announcement?

Let me see

[ancient surge]

Indeed. By the time I fleshed out my response that is based on the LE situation, chat had already moved along :p

[pearl sandal]

Have they shown us how big the Queen Bee is?

[lucid herald]

LE wise the only thing i'm thinking right now is how i can reason myself out of playing bladestorm

[night marten]

..they have all week? #news

[south moat]

no

[fathom umbra]

Queen Bee?? Wut?!

[lucid herald]

fire aura seems very fun but bladestorm just looks way too cracked

[west ivy]

if it's not the size of the draal queen we riot

[tender marsh]

I'm happy for the primalist animation update. tempest strike with too much attack speed looked really janky. Now it should be smooth

[gritty helm]

I like the new rogue sets

[south moat]

Yes, the new bee set puts out a queen bee

[ancient surge]

IT beter be the size of abby.

[pearl sandal]

Needs to be at least as big as the frogs last patch

[dim wedge]

I just popped here randomly lol

[fathom umbra]

Oh i thought we meant like some sorta lore character in world that was teased

[lucid herald]

bee build: is it beecromancer or beestmaster

[dim wedge]

Is that a terraria reference

[crystal jolt]

Not sure if this a good spot to post this or allowed! let me know. I play on legacy with some really rare 3LP items such as 3LP seed, 3LP null portent and much more, I am looking to trade for 3LP world splitter, 3LP shattered chain, 3LP darkstriders. we can come to a fair agreement!

I am just looking to make my warpath really strong.

I will never use these rare finds at all besides collect dust.

[tender marsh]

I will be going a "Harmony of the first one" spear build so sets mean nothing to me as I will be using nothing but blues

[south moat]

Beemage with elemental bee relics too

[dim wedge]

NO WAY THEY FIXED THAT

[night marten]

ill give you a pass this time 😉

but yeah, hype weeks posts all week. patch notes tomorrow

[steep river]

The new loot beams look good. I'm always happy for more filter options

[dim wedge]

I thought jank would be left alone

[fathom umbra]

those are * chef_kiss *

[dim wedge]

That's good

[lucid herald]

more filter colours = good

[lucid herald]

every season the jank is slowly being ironed out

[tender marsh]

I'll be using a mixture of the fiery red one and the brown one. Fire for weapons and brown for armor

[west ivy]

forbee guard

[ancient surge]

I feel tempted to link to the news channel of this server. Do I give in?

[steep river]

Very thematic!

[lucid herald]

ill definitely be using that red beam for runes of corruption (if theyre not incredibly common)

which to be fair they might be

[tender marsh]

yup especially since i'm going a fire DoT quaker primalist

[void hatch]

new monos UI looking clean

[lucid herald]

seriously though, how common can artifice of devestation be

[tender marsh]

the new idol making earthquake lightning without needing to go on that garbage side of the tree is neat. But I don't see lightning melee quaker outclassing fire quaker

[lucid herald]

because it looks unbelievably good for bladestorm builds and if it can roll 2LP pretty easily it'll be incredible

[lucid herald]

i think the main reason lightning quake can be good is the storm bolt synergy

[ancient surge]

I think previously stated that one is guaranteed on omen window completion? (don't quote me) This is in fact uncertain, since the wording is not explicit on whether it is 100% chance or not.

[lucid herald]

ah okay

[south moat]

Yeah, shouldn't be too rare

[night marten]

thats sounds right

[south moat]

Yeah I think I saw Mike say that in ask the devs

[ancient surge]

It was in the 1st news post, from Monday, but I can't find it specifically. But we do get a shop to just buy them outright.

[dreamy coral]

Does season monolith access from level 1 mean a campaign skip?

[tender marsh]

Yeah but if you are focusing storm bolts wouldn't you be stacking spell damg? so you would just go the top path of earthquake making it lightning and scale with spells anyways?

making the idol a mute point

[steep river]

After successfully defeating the Omen, you will find the all-new Rune of Corruption among your loot.

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/rune-of-corruption-and-idol-altars-coming-to-last-epoch-march-26/80544

[night marten]

where did you see monolith access at lvl one?

no there is no campaign skip

[void crater]

Mhhh , seems i had some good ideas last year

[tender marsh]

the main problem i'm finding is I can't find any good lightning uniques

they are all like lvl 12-20 items

There's the maelstrom necklace I guess

[dreamy coral]

"In Season 4, you will have more freedom with how you interact with the Monolith system. All players will immediately have access to all of the regular Timelines, except for the three level 90+ Timelines."

[simple jolt]

gathering storm/earthquake hype

[tender marsh]

which would be a decent boost with like 30+ maelstroms I guess

[heady night]

man cof is going be so fun hitting these set items

unless they change that rank bonus to like tier 9 lmao

[night marten]

ah. no. you get access to all the lower 7 timelines. so like lagons timeline will not be locked behind anything.

[signal mica]

Be cool if the opening part of the game changed with the season/cycle, also miss the old forest 🙁

[pearl sandal]

Basically means you don’t have to go in the same order we’ve been stuck doing

[night marten]

yes

[fathom umbra]

"old forest" ? Im afraid im maybe too new, i think i started playing aronund 0.9?

[dreamy coral]

Disappointing :/

[steep river]

The way I had it, you'd still need to get to End of Time.

All players will immediately have access to all of the regular Timelines, except for the three level 90+ Timelines.

You just don't have to clear every monoliths going up the right side to get to the level 90 timelines after that change. You could immediately go to Reign of Dragons after reaching End of Time.

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/new-items-animations-and-quality-of-life-coming-to-last-epoch-march-26/80545

[pearl sandal]

I mean you can already get to monos at like lvl20 if you beeline it

[south moat]

I'm gonna go to Reign of Memes
The hidden timeline

[signal mica]

I remember a forest like area when you started a new character

[fathom umbra]

Thats...kinda what we have now? Id need a visual descriptor

[signal mica]

Lol

[calm zodiac]

You can enter the monolith as soon as you get to the end of time, but you need to complete the campaign for the idol slots

[heady night]

we got an answer for the quest echoes appearing there when they said it wouldnt? photoshop error?

[south moat]

The start we used to have was same as in chapter 9 when you go to the flying mount thingy and where you need to kill the siege golem but it was a boss instead of the golem

[loud bay]

you cannot access monos at lvl 1. however you can go there as soon as you unlock the subclass, get sone keys and get the additional idol slots and skill points though those

[fathom umbra]

oooooo, wild

[ancient surge]

Well, aside from me being mistaken on the day of the post with the rune, the wording on it does not actually imply a guaranteed drop. That was my bad.

[steep river]

There's a 5x knowledge thing to unlock the 3x 90s now. So sounds like you could get into the 3x 90s after doing 3 Timelines as the level 80+ give 2x knowledge

[calm zodiac]

Yeah, around lvl 20 you can go to monos

[dreamy coral]

I'm aware it's fast. I'm tired of playing the campaign

[steep river]

Yeah I'm not sure if it's guaranteed or just possible

[simple jolt]

the new uniques are juicy

[void crater]

my earliest was lv 17 or 19 on FG when i had a relativeley cracked Voidthorn

[south moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJuAWB9bw-4
You can see the area here, it used to look a bit different though

[loud bay]

i can get why the game ylis structured this way, and i assume we will get a full campaign skip of sorts after the expansion when campaign is finished.

[ancient surge]

I was left with that impression from Tuesday, but thinking back on it today got me double checking and yeah... no certaintly.

[lucid herald]

hmm... i wonder if there's any chance of bladestorm having lightning conversion in the tree

[fathom umbra]

dog what am i looking at, why is there a car? 🤣

[lucid herald]

because it would be incredibly fun to have lightning shurikens, explosive traps and bladestorms going off

[calm zodiac]

Doubt we will ever get campaign skip tbh, i think diablo 3 and 4 are the only ARPGs with campaign skips

[void crater]

Bladestorm Bleed pop could be cool

[south moat]

Because Initial D and one of the devs was having fun

[fathom umbra]

wait what...this is an official LE video

[loud bay]

i think ill go phys because shadow daggers is still good

[south moat]

Indeed!

[lucid herald]

the new relic has me wanting to do some proc shenanigans since explosive trap lightning conversion can do lightning res shred + spark charge generation

and lightning shurikens are a build ive always wanted to play but has never been good

[loud bay]

i mean, i am fine with doing the campaign. but as many others who run one charcter per season, i think they could just remove key requirement for t1 dungeons and just be done with it

[muted cape]

Yo haptics coming! first modern arpg ever to have this? Looks like poe and diablo4 dont have it

[ancient surge]

What's a haptic?

[loud bay]

in that case, worth checking XD

[granite flower]

not sure when you last played but lghtning shuriken (chakram) has been able to clear 500+c for a moment

[calm zodiac]

TBH my main issue is the side quests, not the campaign itself, the side quests are unecessary and boring, they should be removed and replaced with you unlocking idols by killing bosses during the campaign

[muted cape]

Rumble

[calm zodiac]

controller go ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[ancient surge]

Ohhh, right. 10 minutes ago I read that and got distracted and forgot.

[signal mica]

Honestly not a big fan of idols hopefully the changes help with that

[calm zodiac]

i like idols

[ancient surge]

The life of M&K, I guess :p

[calm zodiac]

its basically an evolution of diablo 2 charm system

[signal mica]

Yeah I know but like I said hoping the changes help me with that

Tombs helped a bit

[lucid herald]

well the new bladestorm stuff releasing chakrams from the bladestorm should be pretty fun then

[granite flower]

I sure hope it integrates well in a shuriken build

[quick wraith]

Bee build lets goooooooooo

[signal mica]

I'm at like 80% starting minion and trying some fire minion stuff see how it goes

[steep river]

[south moat]

Tbh I'm tempted to go for the bees

[calm zodiac]

Minions will be really strong, they already were last season

I think i'll try some flavour of mage for the first time

[signal mica]

Can you make the bees fire bees?

[south moat]

You could have the bees + elemental bees from relics

[steep river]

Mage does have Elemental Bees as well https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AGwDgrEA

[signal mica]

They apply bleed and poison

O wow neat

[south moat]

Tbh I wonder if those will have the immunity from the set too 🤔

Also the elemental bee relic is ridiculously rare

[granite flower]

im not sure how you scale bee apart from the primalist relic and attunement stacking

[willow sentinel]

Str stacking too

[south moat]

Someone did kill aberroth with bee build
I think he even killed uberroth? 🤔

[granite flower]

it depends on what the queen bee does i guess

uberroth i dont think so, aberroth for sure

[signal mica]

Seems like a fun set if you can get it at level 40 or w.e while leveling

[granite flower]

iirc he said he kinda had abysmal dps but could upgrade if he grinded like crazy

[blazing gyro]

What do you guys do to set up a loot filter for a new build?

[south moat]

I don't

[granite flower]

Its a part of the game i really dislike so i use a template and modify it. Raxxanterax does a template every time the loot filter is changed and its really nice and adjustable to your likings

[blazing gyro]

Yeah i've been using the raxx one but its still very tedious.

[granite flower]

cant really go arround that imo unless you wanna blind copy someone else's but not being used to what a specific highlight means is worse

[steep river]

Editing an existing filter is a good way to start. To help get familiar with how they work. Some of the upcoming Season 4 changes will also make it easier

[night marten]

i make my own 'base' filter with all teh colors and uniques and that stuff pre setup. and then just adjust the base for items and affixes

[brittle fjord]

Using being able to shatter set items into affixes as justification for adding more sets sounds so weird. It's like they acknowledge that sets are bad and yet they add more.

[granite flower]

they say sets WERE bad before shattering

[blazing gyro]

I was kind of hoping there was some tech i'd missed but ill just stick to tweaking my base filter everytime. It's a pain because Im not a fan of organizing things so I find it draining

[granite flower]

some sets still suck and i hope they buff it but some are straight up goated enough to justify playing a primordial just to enable it (hello vilatria)

[night marten]

they also buffed some sets. but the new sets arent bad

[night marten]

they said they have also buffed existing sets

[brittle fjord]

Vilatria is good when you remove the desirable stat from the set piece though

And I am fairly sure some if not most Mages don't even utilise the "set bonus" right?

Not really too familar with Mage

I know another set affix is good for maximsing damage on Flame Whip on Acolyte but again you don't actually care about the "set" part of the affix

Just the affix itself

Same with regen from The Last Bear set or whatever it's called

[fiery cloud]

I was kind of hoping there was some tech i'd missed but ill just stick to tweaking my base filter everytime. It's a pain because Im not a fan of organizing things so I find it draining

[worldly ice]

Is there an expansion before the next season?

[south moat]

no?

[brittle fjord]

Considering next season is in like a week...

[granite flower]

the set bonus is the whole reason you play legends entwined for it since its so much flat spell for the investment
the set affix on the helmet is fine for most builds but not crazy insane
the staff enables a build for meteor but is not crazy op

The set system allows an alternative to legendaries. if not for sets most builds would end up entirely filled with as high as you can LP legendaries

[wispy notch]

Next season is in one week, and it does come with a content patch adding new mechanics and endgame boss. But not a full scale "expansion".

[steep river]

There's Lightning Blast builds using Vilatria's set helmet affix with Legend's Entwined Primordial Ring to give the set bonus, if that's what you're asking

[worldly ice]

Thank you

[brittle fjord]

But again the set is just a means to an end. You completing the set not for the set but for another item.

[muted cape]

Making the build planner first.

[brittle fjord]

So again, the set itself doesn't matter

[granite flower]

expansion should be next year, we likely have 2 season this year

[brittle fjord]

Sets exist to enable other things but the actual sets themselves are just meaningless

[granite flower]

lighting meteor build exists and its good enough

if a builds needs to be top tier for a set to be acceptable then sure your point stands but then again we dont wanna play the same game

[brittle fjord]

A build does not need to be top tier no but that was never the point I made so I am not sure where that even came from

[granite flower]

i dont understand what you mean then

[brittle fjord]

I don't know how else to explain it to you then

I said it as plainly as I can

[steep river]

I had fun in Season 2 with a Time Rot Void Knight, shattering the Forgotten Knight Set, and crafting items with it. But yeah, you're not going to be using what are mostly lower level Set items late game.

You craft with them instead

[muted cape]

You wear sets for leveling or until you have better gear to reforge the set if it's core to your build.

[brittle fjord]

I'd love if we had a reason to actually use set pieces

[granite flower]

if you want the set to be the center piece of your build you play lightning meteor, if you want to abuse every drop of power to make the most powerful build ever you abuse spark charge being op

[muted cape]

Sets exist for crafting. That's their primary function

[brittle fjord]

That's my entire issue with them.

[outer tundra]

I'm making a trade filter for the third league already. If you're making one for SSF, you just select the important affixes and that's it. Maybe they could add a highlight for 2x7 items, which would be really nice

[inner finch]

I hope a mechanic could exist that can also make them decent standalone in-slot items, and not just stat-stick crafting items

[outer tundra]

At first, you can highlight all T7 for Havok runes

[muted cape]

Well sets are different in every other modern arpg too

[outer tundra]

Depends on your rate of progression

[steep river]

Unless devs decide to allow Set items to drop with LP, they're not going to be used by most players in late game. At least there is some use with Reforged Set crafting now

[south moat]

@fiery cloud Please don't send random message requests.

[muted cape]

In old arpgs sets were very generic in the fact if just equipping them and getting the "set bonus"

[inner finch]

Also, bees

The bee obsession gets to new levels lol

[muted cape]

Classic set design vs modern set design

[signal mica]

Sigons was one of my favs

[night marten]

but its janet jackson. you know, the singer

clearly

[steep river]

[outer tundra]

It will be more difficult for trading, need to take into all popular builds and their T7 affixes

[night marten]

idk the new sets look pretty good as is

[south moat]

Clearly
It's my chance

[muted cape]

Modern set design = creativity, classic set design = just the set bonus

[inner finch]

Even Jormun's? blink twice if you are being threatened

[signal mica]

I'd like to see sets be lower level just make leveling more fun if you can get them

[outer tundra]

Given the existence of the ring, some sets with a useful 2-item bonus may be better than the LP
But there are still few of them

[signal mica]

40s not bad I guess

[muted cape]

There are low level sets, you want specific ones to level with? :p

[steep river]

Yeah especially with Reforged Set crafting, Legends Entwined Primordial Ring is a nice way to get multiple set bonuses

[signal mica]

Yeah I know just depends

[night marten]

lol. its fine outside of the 3p bonus. just use two

[bitter basin]

I sure hope I’m wrong but this season seems a little lack luster considering the amount of time between seasons…

[inner finch]

There are so many cool new item aesthetics - which makes not having a transmog system hurt even more...

[outer tundra]

Well... About like 1.3

[blazing gyro]

I have a full build planner for all of my builds but I'm not a fan of the auto-generated filters from the planner sites

[quick wraith]

yea that would be great

[outer tundra]

So far 1.2 has been the best... I'd like some interesting content OTHER than echo...
But this is not yet the case, so waiting

[stiff dagger]

What's with the reacts on posts im not in the loop. Why are people not happy? 🤣

[pine herald]

Maybe they think too less interesting contents for a 7-month wait

[sweet pendant]

Guys any news about more options for tabs affinities?

[turbid silo]

So ... who's excited for Season 4? Because man, today's post with those items plus the QoL features! Lets go.

[fathom umbra]

People don't do anything more than surface level research and critical thinking into WHY it took 7 months, namely the whole merger probably took up resources, etc. It was implied somewhere Season 5 will have a normal cadence, given NOW they have more people hired on

[pine herald]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

Not sure if it count as qol

[fathom umbra]

yo that gif is... fuzzy xD

[pine nexus]

New patch looks exciting but I didnt follow everything, is there gonna be added QoL on MG ?

[willow sentinel]

I have issues yeah

Not sure why

[fathom umbra]

Dunno about this patch, i THINK mike implied faction improvements in Season 5? correct me if im wrong

[willow sentinel]

Yes, it's getting removed so you can play the game real 😏😏😉

[simple bison]

That's what's stated in the roadmap

[fathom umbra]

ah word

[primal abyss]

Whew.

[pine nexus]

eh I did a lot of cof but it gets kinda boring when fishing for LP3 niche items ngl

[primal abyss]

I have to prepare myself for running CoF at season start. Have not done it before but this is the season..

I wish you nothing but the best of drops

[south moat]

I'm looking forward to being a bee hive in human costume

[frosty ridge]

merchants guild supremacy

[south moat]

Oh, in game? I suppose

[stuck hedge]

lunacy more like

[sharp hedge]

CoF is one of the main reasosn i play the game lol

[grave isle]

This whole hype week thing is actually getting me hyped 🤣🤣

Everything looks sick

I barely played this current season so Ill probably get into it

[inner finch]

fell for it again

[night marten]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-gif-1614955667706199731

[fathom umbra]

Now this is pod racing hype in a week

[turbid silo]

Woo! Hype is real!

[grave isle]

HELL YES!!

[primal abyss]

Someone dare me to run a Bee Mage or a Bee Sentinel

[turbid silo]

hah

[south moat]

Bee mage with elemental bee relics
You can't go wrong with a bunch of bees
essentially being a walking beehive

[uneven knoll]

i have quston
i remember in path of exile season had new mechanics (when i started playing it was delirium mirrors everywhere) and standart didnt
is something like that the case in last epoch

[south moat]

Legacy also does get the season mechanics in LE

[uneven knoll]

neato

no disadvantage if i just load up an old druid vs making a new one then

thanks

[true elk]

I dare you

[south moat]

Correct, no disadvantage.
Unless you want to get the fresh start

[dreamy sentinel]

guys did you noticed some letency increase during few past weeks?

[primal abyss]

oh no.... I guess I have to do it now

[primal abyss]

Have not. Have you tried using a different server?

[cosmic shadow]

what were all the pings in here?

[primal abyss]

Was it in #news ?

👀

[cosmic shadow]

No, in general. I had like 5 of them.

But like 300 messages or more to look in to find them....

Dislike that discord doesn't have an easy "Who pinged me" but I guess I'll try searching.

[rose acorn]

you can search for your mentions

[primal abyss]

Hmm. That I don't know, then... I've rolled a nat 1 on the investigation check

Could also have been a deleted message

[cosmic shadow]

Found it.. it was all replies from people here when i called them out for not discussing the game, and to please take it to off-topic.

[primal abyss]

Aah gotcha

[cosmic shadow]

Heavan forbid someone ask them to take it to off-topic!

[primal abyss]

[cosmic shadow]

One of them literally uses the handle 'Troll'. 🤣

[primal abyss]

Well, those conversations are behind us now

[cosmic shadow]

So i asked him to get back under the bridge, where he belonged!

[primal abyss]

in the past

[cosmic shadow]

Hehe,. sorry.

[primal abyss]

no worries you meant it in a good sport

[cosmic shadow]

Reading the next news part for today now. QOL is always welcome

[primal abyss]

glad to hear it, tomorrow is patch note day

[urban zealot]

LE had the best QoL of any arpg and is why I love it so much

Full patch notes tomorrow?

[primal abyss]

That's the plan

[cosmic shadow]

Bee set, cool! I know a couple people that'll hype up, One of them one of your fellow devs. Was that you, Vandryll?

I get mixed up, but I know one of you EHG folks are super pumped about a fully functioning Beee build.

It was you!

[primal abyss]

Quite possibly was me 👀

[cosmic shadow]

I dare you too, to make a Bee Build,

[primal abyss]

Say less.

[cosmic shadow]

To Bee? Or not to bee?

[primal abyss]

Absolutely to Bee

[rose acorn]

bee build looks fun

[primal abyss]

About to Bee a menace

[cosmic shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-nicholascage-bees-bite-gif-4944634

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-hal-gifleuse-abeilles-guêpes-gif-25567971

[rose acorn]

and the primalist relic seems nice too

[cosmic shadow]

Hmmn.. why aren't these gifs resolving?

[primal abyss]

I know the links themselves but I am well versed in gifs

[cosmic shadow]

Is this a no gif channel?

[primal abyss]

We have images limited in general

yeh

[cosmic shadow]

Bah!

*Hides into a gif bush [dot]gif

[primal abyss]

It really does! Happy for Primalist but...

Before gifs we had static images and had to use emoji like "XD" all the time

[inner finch]

This is the gif channel

its just that most of us cant post gifs here

[primal abyss]

Think I'm going to Bee a Mage

[rose acorn]

okay old man( im not young either)

[inner finch]

Ive watched an awesome documentary on the culture of xD in Poland, you should totally watch it

[primal abyss]

We've seen things in our day!

[rose acorn]

thats for sure 😄

[south moat]

Good old things

[primal abyss]

Some good, most good but also some bad

[cosmic shadow]

I remember (and still use) o7 as a 'salute' emoji. (I'm 60 years young old!)

[primal abyss]

o7 is a go-to for me as well

or a goodbye

[cosmic shadow]

I'm the dude who got a cardiac ablation done a couple weeks ago, recovering pretty well, looking forward to the end of the blank out period so I know for sure how it all shakes out.

[primal abyss]

Ah. Well glad to hear it went well and you're on a good road to recovery

[cosmic shadow]

blank-out period = 4-6 weeks after procedure.

[primal abyss]

Need that health to play some games

[cosmic shadow]

You got it!

[rose acorn]

question is for the upheaval+earthquake build how do i get storm stack reliably

and have enough enough mana 😄

[primal abyss]

While I love running Primalist, I dont run quake

but we have some really good players via #🐺┃primalist that could give you a good scoop

I know I'm quakeless

[rose acorn]

may check but most likely will run bees

[primal abyss]

[vocal sonnet]

im gonna go mage anyway

I feel none of these changes affect LB

[rose acorn]

try nova its not bad

[vocal sonnet]

ive not tried LB yet

[rose acorn]

ah, then yeah 😄

[inner finch]

You are quakeless

[rose acorn]

to be fair idk why nova has such a low tooltip dps in tool but on paper it should be stronger then LB

[maiden sky]

Beeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssss!!!!! 🙌 🙌

[rose acorn]

what does queen bee do ? i assume it summons more bees

or buff them

[cosmic shadow]

I actually thoght we were in general, sorry about that folks!

Holy Freholies! "We’ve increased the number of rules per filter from 75 to 200. Set rules as you see fit!"

And now we won't need tons of rules set up just to filter for all items, so , way better!

[willow sentinel]

Thx @cosmic shadow @tired river ❤️❤️

[cosmic shadow]

Sorry I didn't realize where I was posting, I claim an old man brain fart!

[willow sentinel]

All good ❤️❤️

[tired river]

mainly i was thinking that not having a 3 piece bonus better conveys the designers intention with the set, but i was wondering if there was a specific design reason they wanted to have a token 3 piece bonus

[rose acorn]

which set ?

i still kind of want a bee skill tree(hive)

[tired river]

i was asking a question about the teased jormun set in ask the devs and we got into a tangent on the wrong channel

[rose acorn]

ah about that

[blazing terrace]

The new set bodyarmor... Does manifest armor gain ability to summon bees? 😄

[drowsy glade]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-gif-9895746840165970818

[wet mauve]

Manifest bee

[inner finch]

I just wanna see how the Queen Bee works

[rigid valley]

around what time does the new season launch?

[trail fox]

how long it will last?

[turbid silo]

March 26 at 11 AM CDT

[inner finch]

I honestly dont think anyone on planet earth has a correct answer for this one

I know its going to be at minimum 3 months

[rigid valley]

didnt it drop tomorrow?

[south moat]

Correct answer isnuust "yes"

[versed nest]

patch notes are tomorrow

[south moat]

No.

[rigid valley]

oh ok

[trail fox]

crystallfall was about to start tomorrow

but theyve moved the start for 10 of april lol

[rigid valley]

that sucks, i thougt it was tomorow

[inner finch]

With the way things are going, i assume Season 4 is going to last between 4 and 7 months

[night marten]

Minions cant get unique affixes like that

[trail fox]

i have played this gaame only for a week so very shorrt

how do u buy/trade here. Is it only PvE?

[night marten]

By joining merchants guild in chapter 9.

There is no pvp

[trail fox]

yeah well

i ahve the game

but didnt make it till end game actually

if i create champ now then i wont be able to play new season with others?

[tired river]

you will need to make a new character to play in season with other seasonal characters, but you could choose to continue playing your character in legacy

[night marten]

If you want to play the fresh economy, then yeah you need to start one on march 26th

[vocal sonnet]

Do i go mechant or just stick with cof

I mean will I play enough to benefit from merchant before no lifers make everything max gold xD

[tired river]

didn't happen this last season i dont think? unless it happened really late into the season

[vocal sonnet]

it happened the only time I went merchant

tbh I think there some some gold dupe or something or some type of OP farm that got nerfed

[tired river]

i have like 1bil gold on legacy from one of those 2 seasons yeah lol, but it didn't happen last season so I think all that stuff is figured out now

that said, i think the choice is much more about what kind of gameplay you enjoy rather than what is better

i personally enjoy farming my own gear far more than buying it off MG, but I still play MG sometimes since I actually really like selling stuff

[trail fox]

i really like fartming money and then buying gear

[lament kernel]

I have no more space for this all hype that you showed us... ❤️

and still more incoming... I wanna play 😄

[autumn briar]

no gold dupes in season 3, mg is fixed and good now. rmt'ers actively getting seeked out and punished also.

[trail fox]

any class recommendations for newbie?

[silent pivot]

sentinel (I'm biased)

void knight and paladin are both fun

[autumn briar]

unbiased i would also say sentinel. lots of options, judgement is good with no gear and is immortal so no frustration, then you can branch off to more powerful stuff when you get gear

[frosty ridge]

Paladin or void knight tbh. Very overturned and tanky

[lament kernel]

For me Runemaster is OP

and tanky

and easy to gear

[frosty ridge]

erasing strike probably has been the most fun for me tbh. whole screen goes pop

[trail fox]

Sword/Shield setup? or sth like that? dual swords, greatsword?

[lament kernel]

LE has a lot fun classes but I wouldn't recommend class that rely only on dodge chance

rest is okay

[inner finch]

Paladin is very easy-mode

As soon as you pour Healing-Hands sauce on your attacks, everything becomes quite trivial

[strange umbra]

@burnt reef Happy Birthday!!!

[quick wraith]

Is there a way to have your minions automatically attack the mob you're attacking on controller?

[inner finch]

Its A-Aron's bday? oh brother, congrats on the big 5-0. You look much younger

[void hatch]

[burnt reef]

thank you thank you

[burnt reef]

lolol thank you sir

[haughty coral]

Pog, birthday

[quick patio]

improvement to loot sound filters, include Custom sounds????

[silver arrow]

I don't see about custom loot filter sound, which me sad 😔

[deft dock]

What's the plan

[signal mica]

Keep fit and have fun! Body Break!

[quiet falcon]

Is it worth trying out Last Epoch or should I wait for Last Epoch 2 to drop?

[digital bridge]

youre getting old Aaron !!!!

😘

[brazen bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e72QBcwIjEc

what do you think

[willow sentinel]

Wait for LE 3, dont bother with the second one

It will be vibe coded with Krafton AI

[brazen bane]

i love how even the mods here meme on it

[willow sentinel]

😅

I cant tank more Krafton bad talk

I got no ward left

[signal mica]

Game is worth it 100%

[brazen bane]

I feel ya i moded for the mess of deadzone.

"im just a guy"

[carmine arch]

dang Jormun’s Set was almost really cool sounding if the third item was not a belt

I would rather have the fang belt with this

[fair wing]

You need higher resist

[serene parcel]

Probably should have asked this before purchasing items off of MG, Can you slam a Primordial item into a Legendary?

[simple bison]

Yes

If it has lp

Same as any normal unique

[serene parcel]

Sweet, thank you

Ah..I misunderstood how the Primordial Glyph worked. LOL it seals the Affix. which is dope, but not what I wanted.

that's on me. Live and learn.

[simple bison]

Ahhh I thought you meant using a primordial unique lol

I should have clarified too mb

[quick snow]

T8 affixes cannot be slammed into uniques. I think that's what you were asking

[serene parcel]

I have a t7 speed upgrade for my weapon, so I'm still doing fine. Just trying to see what I can do to make my weapon even faster.

[steep river]

You could get a T7 Melee Attack Speed on Gloves as well

[serene parcel]

For Context, I slammed a T7 into a primordial Cadenance and I'm using the Forge Master Forged Swords build.

and I'm trying to get to the point where it can take down 300 Corruption Abberoth, I can't exactly face tank it like the guide said? but maybe I'm missing something, that happens as well.

I've started grading most build guides on kinda a curve.

[untold skiff]

wow the new set items are zzzz..... 😴 run out of ideas have we ? shouldvve just removed sets they all suck anyway.

[austere totem]

are we there yet

[night marten]

Where are we going?

[quick wraith]

Does anyone else have an issue where everytime you close the game and re-open it loses all the character appearance transmog + pets settings?

Or how to fix

[south moat]

#💬┃general message

That should work

[quick wraith]

hmm the only last epoch folder I got in that directory is fron nvidia I dont see an eleventh hour games folder in appdata

nvm found it just copy pasted their entire thing

[quick wraith]

it worked thanks

[quick wraith]

I assume the stuff like the primal dinosaur summon and other stuff from that zone will stay in next season right

[eternal elk]

Question: I bought the Fractured Legends supporter pack but the skins don't show up for me. Will they when the game updates?

[night marten]

Nothing is leaving the game

[night marten]

Yes. The content cant exist until the game updates

It tells you this when you buy it

[eternal elk]

Thanks! I must have missed that part

[glossy lance]

when will ss4 start?

[quick wraith]

sweet

[night marten]

March 26

Pretty sure there is an event in the discord

[glossy lance]

it's 6 more days but now we don't even have full patchnote 😮

so i thought it wont start soon

[night marten]

Patch notes are in like 15 hrs on friday before the patch

As has been the past couple seasons

The #news posts tell all

[dull topaz]

Shoutout to Invandrana for being the only psycho I know who could grind corruption (100k) this long EVER! WP madness. https://imgur.com/a/6HdvZO1

[heady night]

goodness...

[mellow owl]

What build were they using?

[quick wraith]

hopefully the servers survive the launch more than poe did lol

[dull topaz]

hes on warpath - void knight

[silent pivot]

void well + warrior's fury is a perfectly balanced combo and surely won't receive any adjustments whatsoever

[dull topaz]

I mean, how he plays is something I definitely can't do co-ordination wise even if I wanted to - https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1qe5iql/warpath_voidknight_30000_corruption_mapping/

thats from 2 months ago lol

[inner finch]

Did someone say... shoebody doo

[glossy lance]

i wonder if primordial items still in the game in next ss

[nimble mural]

yes they will

[south moat]

They are core mechanic so yes

[spark shale]

Orobyss gazing at him 900 times the intensity

[short sphinx]

do i want to play FIRE MINIONS

[south moat]

You want to play Bees

[true bison]

Just watched the Heorot/Rayeh cutscene for the last time. RIP to a classic. o7

[nimble mural]

that's honestly impresive, i couldnt

[fading moon]

cuandio sale la nueva campaña?

[nimble mural]

la nueva temporada sale el 26 de marzo

[solemn tusk]

I'm having trouble with the "Friends" display. Even after adding friends, the friend list isn't showing. Is anyone else experiencing this?

[south moat]

That happens every now and then
Usually if I wait a bit with the panel open it starts working again
but it's definitely annoying

[solemn tusk]

I submitted a support request but received no response or fix for this bug.

[south moat]

Like you sent in a mail to their support or file a bug report?

[solemn tusk]

bug file.

[south moat]

Yeah they don't respond to bug reports
If they had to respond to all of them it would take a lot of time

[solemn tusk]

I just sent an email to the relevant team. hope they will fix this.

[south moat]

I'm sure they're aware of it
we'll see if it's fixed with the patch

[solemn tusk]

hope so

[haughty coral]

Who's ready for bees?

Buzz buzz heckin frickers

[signal mica]

How would you build it? I was thinking of trying HS with Knights, fire golem with fire archers, and dread or infernal, or flame wraith? See what happens. Lol

[ionic vale]

BEES

THEY SAID BEES

WHAT THE HELL MAN

i love u ehg

[signal mica]

Yes bees

[haughty coral]

NOT THE BEES!!!

AAAAAHH

[ionic vale]

GIVE ME BEES

I WANT BEES

[signal mica]

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-nicholascage-bees-bite-gif-4944634

[haughty coral]

"Not the bees!" -Nicolas Cage from inside a Cage

[ionic vale]

@mighty kelp love u

[night gate]

Gracias 🫂

[ionic vale]

plz dont ban me for tagging u

[signal mica]

Be a sweet drop to get while leveling the armor for bee set

[south moat]

Sweet like honey, perhaps?

[signal mica]

Yummy I love honey 🍯 500g 1kg jar last a few weeks

[ionic vale]

"To access the last three Timelines, you must seek the Knowledge of Orobyss. You must gather five Knowledge points to unlock the level 90+ Timelines. To gather Knowledge, you must complete the final two chapters of the current campaign and/or conquer any of the first seven Timelines. Completing Timelines or the final two chapters rewards you with one Knowledge. The level 80+ Timelines will reward you with two, meaning you can reach the Empowered Timelines faster by taking a more challenging approach.

"

okay

EHG

THANK YOU

cause youre just saying

play another 5 chars why notttt

its quicker now

[south moat]

Well it is faster b ut when you got to the monos with alt it was the same already

This also doesn't mean that you can just go to monos starting at lvl 1 (well, you can if you get someone giving you teleport)

[strange umbra]

[simple bison]

Why do it if you know it's against the rules xd

[strange umbra]

patch notes when

https://tenor.com/F72j.gif

[simple bison]

12 hours go sleep

[strange umbra]

psh im a grandpa by I am not so ancient as to go to bed at 9pm

[simple bison]

Bake some more

[strange umbra]

lol

[south moat]

Ah, hello there muffin

[strange umbra]

hiya nub

[south moat]

Can we get a sneaky peek at the queen bee? 🙏

In all her glory

[strange umbra]

lol

any Young Justice fans out there?

[nimble mural]

its been a while since i last saw a chapter but yeah, present

[south moat]

Never seen any of it

[strange umbra]

its so good

wish it hadnt been cancelled 😛 cest la vie

[nimble mural]

wish it hadnt been remade

😭

[ionic vale]

I SAID SORRY

IM JUST HYPED

AND HES THE CEO

good job budy

love u

ignore the mod

btw do we have a launch time yet confirmed?

[south moat]

https://discord.com/events/368953963267096586/1483197769995915346

Yes

And I just realized I've a date 1hour after the launch time

[dull topaz]

I de-activate my dating apps before launch, wheres the commitment lol

[south moat]

It wasn't from a dating app

[ancient surge]

I'm not sure hype is a valid reason for breaking a rule one is aware of, but I'm not going to pass judgement on anything I have no authority to.
While on the subject, I would ask what to consider when replying to a staff message in discord chat via the all to handy reply to message button?

[south moat]

I think what I've seen is that they're fine with it since they were posting there and it might be related to it
If you're not sure if you want to ping them you can disable that on the right side of the replying thing

[ancient surge]

Oh, I am only in a state of unknowing, really. I know what the reply system is meant for, especially when multiple threads of discussion exist concurrently, but it's mostly a system for logical flow of conversation.
I was merely wondering about the unspoken conditions, like how far back can you go with a reply to a message in one chat (like here, in general, for example)

[south moat]

Oh, that I've no idea 🤷‍♂️

I probably wouldn't go too far back to do that
unless it's actually relevant

[willow sentinel]

Good morning travelers

[ancient surge]

Technically speaking, maybe someone wants to reply to a message written shortly after they, say, went to bed. But that can mean 8-10 hour difference. The alternative is to just cite the person/message and try to pick up from there.
Now, I know I am likely reading too deep into stuff again, but I also would like to be mindful of my own behavior in this regard and I do function on a numerical basis. i.e. ~1 hour and such.

Top of the morning, good sir Vlad.

[south moat]

Good morning Vlad

[simple bison]

You can reply to a message from a staff member whenever

[carmine smelt]

let me just find a Judd message to reply to, surely there is one

[willow sentinel]

It's patch note day

[ancient surge]

Case in point 🙂

[simple bison]

Well, you can do it whenever as long as it pertains to the topic. If you're doing it as a way to ping then that's obviously against rules

[ancient surge]

There is one even in June 2025 in general.

But yeah, I get the idea of have it be at least somewhat logical.

[simple bison]

like if Judd said something you're specifically wanting to cite/question, normally I'd say just link the message, but I wouldn't say replying is against the rules under those circumstances

Basically try to excercise some common sense, It's not super black and white or anything

[carmine smelt]

technically not breaking the rules

[ancient surge]

Indeed. Doesn't help when one self-doubts their own common sense frequently :p

[carmine smelt]

best kind of not breaking the rules

[simple bison]

This kinda stuff is why this exists at the bottom :P

[carmine smelt]

ah, best judgement, my eternal nemesis

[ancient surge]

Better than "at their discretion", really.

best judgement at least leaves room for faulting the moderation if it can be a legitimate case.

[simple bison]

Correct, if you ever think a moderator is abusing their power or doing something wrong you can report it to @grand geyser which gets checked by the community managers

[ancient surge]

A system that makes sense? EHG really are on an alternate timeline.

[carmine smelt]

If you think I am abusing my power, send me an email and I will be sure to investigate it immediately

jk xd

[primal bough]

when rogue gets nerfed I blame Frozen

[carmine smelt]

sorry

[ancient surge]

Technically speaking, the moderators are not actually EHG staff.

[simple bison]

If patch isn't balanced I blame frozen

[simple bison]

Correct

[primal bough]

I just want a valid bee falconer build

[simple bison]

not even technically

[primal bough]

bird and the bees

[simple bison]

we just aren't

[silent pivot]

moderators = bees

[ancient surge]

Apologies. I have issues with phrasing and I also keep getting stuck in the notion that the lanugage itself is failing me as much as I fail it :p

[simple bison]

Yeah I'd say someone is technically not an employee if they're an independant contractor or something, but we're just volunteers

[ancient surge]

Right, right, that's proper accuracy of terms there.

[silent pivot]

I'm super sleep deprived rn and the idea of bees as independent contractors is killing me tbh

[strange umbra]

GET BACK TO WORK CYBORG - 🔪

lol

[carmine smelt]

the cake bees is a lie

[simple bison]

Yes boss

[ancient surge]

The bee cake? Hollow cake full of bees?

[carmine smelt]

Can I become an EHG contractor?

I can offer bad balance advice

[simple bison]

Don't trust him he'll make runemaster op

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/vmuu4Phzlxb.gif

[ancient surge]

Hmm... is the queen bee a kind of hollow cake of bees, or more of a commander of bees?

[carmine smelt]

I'll leave your Spellblade a little treat if you don't say anything

[simple bison]

Nvm Muffin hire him

[strange umbra]

FS can only get hired if he only plays necro minion builds in perpetuity

lol

[simple bison]

o7

[carmine smelt]

welp, guess that's it for me folks

wasn't qualified for the job

[strange umbra]

sucks to suck

😛 lol

[carmine smelt]

I mean, being a Manager is really just a minion build, except at work

I'm more of a hands on IC type guy

[tropic nebula]

https://media.tenor.com/TCXW5qdCRkwAAAAM/im-telling-snitching.gif

[strange umbra]

its true

[simple bison]

I thought we were chill wtf

[tropic nebula]

kek

[strange umbra]

[eternal elk]

Whoever came up with the new Bee set, thank you!!!!! I always said that bee minions were under rated 🙂 Gonna try to improve my build with that set.

[ancient surge]

Pending the bees exploding as a mechanic.

[eternal elk]

Oh that would be so awesome!!! Please do!

[ancient surge]

I think volatile zombies have a sort of exploding and perpetuating mechanic that can be set up. But bees would make it even memey-er... better.

[silent bloom]

I was planning on starting Fire Aura Spellblade but damn those Bees, I'm definitely gonna build Bleed Bees

[ancient surge]

And mind that the thought of a skin to make the zombies look like bees crossed my mind, but it's not the same thing, not at all.

On that note, carcinization is fake, beeification less so. [/joke]

[tender thistle]

so really stupid question but new season is 26th right?

[silent bloom]

Yep

[tender thistle]

alrigh thanks

[ancient surge]

It even has a time of day

[tender thistle]

anyone going bees :P

[south moat]

I am tempted to go bees, yes

[tender thistle]

would necro or primalist be better?

[silent bloom]

I'm gonna go Fire Aura until i get the set and then switching to Bee Druid/Beestmaster

[south moat]

Probably primalist, primalist has some other bee items

[tender thistle]

oh I see

[eternal elk]

I think I'm going to try to build a bee/frog army

[tender thistle]

and primalist has new animations :P

[silent bloom]

Primalist gets Bees Idols so they'll be able to have more Bees than anyone else

[tender thistle]

ah

[ancient surge]

Mage has a single affix on a 1x4 idol that can make the bes elemental, but it has what... a 97% reroll chance?

[south moat]

Mage also has elemental bees

Yeah, I've only seen that idol drop once, it's ridiculously rare

[eternal elk]

Rogue has bee potential too. I was doing a build that would generate 200+ of them, but it kept slowing the server so I dropped it.

[tender thistle]

rofl xD

[silent bloom]

Yeah Rogue could probably pop off with like dancing strikes and the Keeper's gloves

[tender thistle]

xD

sounds fun :P

[eternal elk]

It also has an idol, plus a helmet

[tender thistle]

oh wait

you can use the bee sword and the new one hand

so more bees

[mortal tinsel]

wait whats this about an update?

[ancient surge]

Events in this server

Just below server guide

[mortal tinsel]

?????

[south moat]

If you're talking about the update that came on steam it's related to the new supporter packs
If you're asking about update in general there's the new season starting on 26th

[mortal tinsel]

oh cool thoguht the game was dead(er)

[silent bloom]

New season is adding a mechanic like Breach but more importantly a Bee set

[mortal tinsel]

any sign of them changing the endgame treadmill or will i still have to walk to the exit of 10 hours of rifts to make it to corruoption 400?

[silent bloom]

Yeah, there's now Echo Chains

[south moat]

You can get to 400 quite fast if you kill the timeline boss and then kill the shade after having 4 of them
Sure it still takes some time but it's not too bad

[mortal tinsel]

my frame of reference is the time it takes to get 4stones on PEe solo

[silent bloom]

And with the new Stability Echo Chains u can speed up the getting to the bosses

[mortal tinsel]

also any changes to trade or still sthe same?

[eternal elk]

They're updating the market filters, if that's what you mean

[mortal tinsel]

now that im used to poe async and TLI and using the ingame tools shouldnt be too bad then.../
already bored of poe lol (upgrade hell)

[silent bloom]

Check out the news channel they announced a bunch of things this week, new Rogue Skills, the ability to change Idol Layouts, Corrupted Items, the Breach mechanic, and a bunch of new sets and stuff

[south moat]

patch notes today

[mortal tinsel]

all i remember of last season was trex relic

and oneshotting eveything for like 10 hours because i didnt understand how to increase my echoe's corruption

edit: read the progression updates, least i can timeline skip but i still need to complete all fo them to get the powers and stuff, but i can circle abck to them later i suppose

[dull valve]

Hey ! I've seen a New season is coming , is the paywall for New classes still up ? To know if i'll play this game or not anymore

[simple bison]

The paragon class is still planned, but it won't be out for quite some time yet

[dull valve]

Planned to be released for money right ?

[simple bison]

correct

[dull valve]

Well ... Ty for the answer !

[ancient surge]

Yes and no. The intention is to do some work before empowered monos, impose a sort of minimum requirement that is not too restrictive.
Empowered monos are kind of a jump. They are level 100 and 100 corruption as a baseline. That is a big difference from 90, even with 50 corruption. Empowered is the actual end-game, since normal blessings are net inferior in all their values to their empowered blessing version/counterparts.

[humble ginkgo]

What time does it start

[simple bison]

This event is timestamped https://discord.com/events/368953963267096586/1483197769995915346

should be in your local time

[ancient surge]

As per the event pinned under Events... that cyborg directly linked 🙂

[humble ginkgo]

👍

[crimson torrent]

hey what time does the season 4 reveal livestream start tomorrow?

[simple bison]

Should be around the same time the patch notes drop which should be same time the past few posts have been

[severe socket]

As long as they finally make DS actually worth looking at, let alone usable, let alone in deep endgame.

Whatever they're doing with it now is just stacking bandages over a festering rot.

Either make it a proper channeled skill or redo it from scratch.

Period.

It's a flipping disgrace as a mastery-defining skill right now.

[south marsh]

I'd be interested in a combo style skill

Similar to the wardancer in lost ark

[severe socket]

A combo-style skill is good when it's designed good.

Cinder Strike is a combo-style skill.

And it's more or less usable.

Even if only as a burning-dagger generator.

[south marsh]

I'd like to see a movement into aoe slam type skill

[severe socket]

DS though? Clunky beyond all recognition doesn't even begin to try describing how obscenely bad it is.

[silk flare]

I hope for a big shake up in the balance patch notes

[severe socket]

I recall even some of EHG folks trying to use it on stream, to barely any effect.

[south marsh]

I hope for an enjoyable time I couldn't care less about balance

[severe socket]

Battle arena gimmick is the only more or less nice thing it currently has.

[willow sentinel]

I feel like with the removal of the cd and it scaling only with AS

[severe socket]

The rest is clunk made manifest.

[willow sentinel]

It should be way less clunky

[severe socket]

Its hitbox is freaking awfully awkward (on EVERY goddamn chain link), the movement is freaking awfully awkward, the skill tree itself is just as RNGutted as gear.

What's even there to look at?

Shadow Rend qualifies more as a mastery signature than... this.

Same with Decoy. It's just glorified Acid Flask but fire and on an obscene cooldown.

[south marsh]

Meanwhile I love just role playing as a land mower with flurry

[silk flare]

Maxroll with new tier list next week you think?

[severe socket]

No idea.

[south marsh]

Just out of curiosity why would you follow a build guide I've always found it funnier to just experiment

[severe socket]

I don't use maxroll so 🤷‍♂️

[earnest oasis]

maxroll is garbage

[severe socket]

Minmaxers gonna minmax.

Also apparently PoE[xcel] conditioned people into believing that only builds featured in the guides can hit high corruption, the rest is blasphemy.

[south marsh]

I've always been boggled by the min/max mentality of ppl when there isn't even pvp to shine

Like sure I get it but still

[severe socket]

Either people are too competitive for their own good for no goddamn reason or they just want to squeeze as much fun as possible out of the short time window they have and move on until next time. I have no idea either.

[south marsh]

The only guides I looked at is explanation to stats in games

Because if you know what the stats do you can just make something up

(personal preference)

[lucid herald]

LE is a remarkably balanced game

If you understand how mechanics interact there's pretty much no build that can't reach the top tiers of content with enough time

[south marsh]

What I love about LE is how easy it is to fix your build

Respec and spell specs are so easy to change

[silent pivot]

some people view optimization itself as fun, others enjoy experimenting, others see everything in life as a competition, others still are just impatient and risk-averse so they want something "guaranteed to work" without requiring research of their own

it's all just personal preference

[heady night]

8 hours and 3 minutes!

[lucid herald]

Blasters want to play a build that they know will work

Tinkerers want to play something that they made and seems fun

[silent pivot]

none of these different viewpoints are wrong, as long as the person is having fun

[lucid herald]

It's 100% a difference in approach and what you want to get out of the game

And yeah neither one is wrong

[silent pivot]

if you're playing a video game and NOT having fun though, I would argue that you are in fact misreading your own preferences and therefore "doing it wrong"

[south marsh]

For me personally I love just going with the flow and do whatever I see as interesting

[lucid herald]

I like having a plan, but I don't like playing the same thing everyone else is playing

[south marsh]

Like changing the whole spec cuz I get a really cool drop

[lucid herald]

That's why I'm really interested in what bladestorm's full tree will look like

If it has fire or lightning conversion, then I have ideas for a bladestorm fireworks build

[silent pivot]

personally I enjoy optimization and experimentation, I don't care what some website claims is best, I care about what I think is neat and push it to the absolute limit by myself

[lucid herald]

Maxroll has a purpose

It's to get blasters and new players into the game

I got into LE early enough that I feel comfortable making my own builds from scratch

Not everyone is like that and that's okay

[silent pivot]

it is a good resource to direct people to IMO, specifically because it helps new players see a selection of curated builds all in one spot

what they do with that information after interacting with it is up to them

I don't really like how they arbitrarily rank builds tbh, because a lot of the time it seems to be based off of nothing more than vibes

ranking builds based on what they can actually do with specific restrictions in place would make way more sense than just slapping "S-tier" or whatever labels down

[south marsh]

I dislike the idea of endgame builds because they are mostly gear dependable and impossible to achieve without trade

And if you just trade ur endgame gear what's the point of even playing

Sure trade is great for some things but doing your build on that concept is boring to me

[silent pivot]

trade is the entire point for some people, I don't get it either

MG is definitely stronger than CoF currently but that doesn't mean you can't progress as CoF, plenty of people have gotten crazy far with it every season

[south marsh]

I've only played CoF since the very beginning of the game

Probably because of that I actually developed that aversion to build guides

Thinking about it it's quite logical

Btw what do you think of the idea of prophecies in CoF to lead to "clues" for specific gear that you can craft eventually

Like you target specific gear prophecies and gather clues to craft some really good gear

[silent pivot]

I would be happy with virtually any change whatsoever to CoF, there are so many aspects that could use improvements I think it's just a matter of EHG reading the suggestions players have made already and deciding to implement something

I was a bit disappointed CoF wasn't mentioned at all in the QoL news post

at this point I'm not really convinced we're getting anything for CoF until season 5

[south marsh]

That would be sad

[willow sentinel]

They told us it's coming s5

In s4 we get more icons I believe

[lucid herald]

Honestly CoF is fine as is

I dont think CoF and MG need to be equal in power, at all

If CoF got better I'd be happy, but it's strong right now in the ways that CoF should feel strong

[silent pivot]

there are a lot of really trivial changes they could make to improve CoF that I struggle to understand why they'd need to be delayed until season 5

even something as basic as adding keybinds

[south marsh]

I just want a goal in CoF not just spamming prophecies for loot fountains

[lucid herald]

I do agree that prophecy keybinds would be good

[silent pivot]

big overhauls being delayed makes sense, sure

[lucid herald]

What would this look like though? If Merchant Guild's goal is to get as much gold as possible to trade for good gear, then CoF's goal as the self-found faction should be to set up situations where they get massive amounts of loot in order to try for the loot upgrades they need, no?

I think that prophecy hunting is a goal in and of itself

[south marsh]

My idea is written a bit above

[silent pivot]

some examples of things that would be helpful, just off the top of my head:
more space for prophecies and a higher favor cap, so we have to go back less frequently

some sort of indicator about where we need to go exactly on the map to actually complete the prophecies we already have

[south marsh]

This

[lucid herald]

Even more deterministic crafting would make LE feel too much like Chronicon imo, where you just get handed your perfect gear on a silver platter

[silent pivot]

like knowing I have 10 prophecies that can be completed in timeline C at a glance would be really helpful

[south marsh]

My idea is revolving around the clue farming by selecting prophecies and eventually getting the crafting plan

It's an end goal for a specific gear type

[lucid herald]

My personal opinion is that the weaver tree and CoF both work in tandem to make targeting gear really easy, BUT there should be some interplay synergy between the two. CoF should be boosting the rates of Weaver Tree related drops in some way.

[silent pivot]

a likely more technically complicated suggestion would be, let us filter prophecies somehow

so we can just spam the reroll button until something we actually want shows up

[lucid herald]

The weaver tree node that makes it more likely to find items with the same mods as the item you have in it should get even more boosted by CoF

It would fit the faction identity much better than completing prophecies giving you progress towards a deterministic craft

[silent pivot]

I don't want to click reroll, look at ~6 icons and mentally divine whether or not these are in fact the prophecies I need, repeating over and over and over

I just want to set what my desired prophecies are in advance and have the reroll button disable itself when a good prophecy shows up

or something to that effect

making the icons easier to identify at a glance doesn't actually fix the issue

I'd also like to see some prophecies interact with imprints

[south marsh]

Or just exclude some prophecy types from the reroll pool

[lucid herald]

Yeah prophecies that drop your imprinted items could be super fun

[silent pivot]

something like "the next 5 imprints you trigger drop twice as many items (and are CoF tagged)"

this all feels like super obvious stuff tbh, like you notice the pain points almost immediately after playing CoF for any length of time

and I know people have been asking for stuff like this since at least season 2 if not earlier, so again, I will be disappointed if there's nothing or virtually nothing in season 4

"updated icons" ain't it

[willow sentinel]

Unfortunately from what we have learned so far, I think you will be disappointed

[silk flare]

Anyone going bee build?

[zenith pewter]

7 hours till patch

[south moat]

We aren't getting the patch today
it's patch notes we are getting

[ancient surge]

I noted the age-old discussion of guide use vs making own build.
Big props to whomever has the mental power, stability, interest, dedication, time and all the virtues required to make something functional. Us sinners out here lack the required qualities, so we settle for some pre-defined directions follow a guide, some more loosely than others and go forth and enjoy the game in a mechanical, maybe sometimes artistic sense. Sure, a self-made build would be wonderful to pull off, but it's also a rather shallow satisfaction to achieve something in a virtual environment compared to a more tangible RL achievement, at least to some of us. We play games to unwind, not to solve puzzles...

[simple bison]

For me arpg's are almost more about the theory crafting than they are about the gameplay. To me the gameplay is almost a means to an end of seeing my theory crafting come to fruition. Everyone enjoys games differently

[ancient surge]

Precisely. I am not going to go out and call out your way of playing. We all make our own fun, after all.

[vapid finch]

are there any pc destorying builds anymore like the og frostbite frostclaw build? Where damage numbers were so big and so many that it lags out the game?

[simple bison]

Yep

[vapid finch]

or is the game optimized better and damage numbers toned back a bit?

[ancient surge]

kind of both?

[willow sentinel]

Dmg is definitely not toned back

[simple bison]

Damage numbers haven't really been toned down but the game has for sure made progress optimization wise

[ancient surge]

Ah, correct. We got harder content.

To be fair, there was that corruption rework. Between 1.0 and present, right?

[vapid finch]

In that case is VK EK still kinda the strongest hitting build? Or is there a different one that has higher numbers?

Im a simple man, I like to see big numbers in arpgs lol

[ancient surge]

One of the. VK was never the most busted.

But sentinel is tanky by definition, so you had big damage and surivability.

[vapid finch]

I see, what build then has the biggest numbers?

[simple bison]

Last season (current one that's about to end) it would be EQ bear I think

[ancient surge]

Yeah, there are several that basically enter one-shot uber abby territorry or close to.

[simple bison]

Yeah there's a few big hitters

[ancient surge]

There was also the funny reflect build that used no bar skill as I understand to kill uber in 5 minutes.

[vapid finch]

i ran that build at the start of the season, It was so fun but got a tad boring after a week haha

[muted cape]

Power creep is unreal. In a year a 100million dps build will be c tier probably lol

[ancient surge]

Well... you want a strong build that has some mechanical complexity to it, yes?

[vapid finch]

in a sence kinda, but whatever there is that just has bonkers numbers. I see this Marrow Shards lich but that seems to just one shot UA cause of a bug

[ancient surge]

To be transparent, I use maxroll's tiering of boss builds and look in the S rank, see if some theme there looks appealing to me and maybe A tier otherwise. I trust them enough to have a rough estimate of build power within that ranking system.
As to what builds I end up going for it's both on thematic preference (like, I'm partial to spell casters) and also a modicum of understanding of game mechanics such that I deliberately avoid what feels cheap. Then they also put in notices that the build uses some glitch or likely patchable next season mechanics or interactions. I.e. they are reasonably transparent.

It takes a little bit of reasearch, but those are my factors.

If you don't want a guide, you can still look at tier lists to get a rough idea of build power overall and just do your own thing.

And mind that while I use maxroll, you are always free to look elsewhere.

[vapid finch]

For sure, im not new i was just curious if theres any gem builds that are crazy strong that i wasnt aware of

[ancient surge]

Apologies, I was trying to be comprehensive based on information at my disposal.

Outside of that, I don't normally look for what you're asking specifically, so... can't be helpful in that sense.

[grave knoll]

Omg beeeeeeees!! Yeeees i have wanted to make a bee build for so long 😄 now just to figure out class and all of that other stuff 😄

[simple bison]

To be fair a lot of what was super strong this season might change drastically next season. When we're only a week away it might be better to wait for patch notes and see

[ancient surge]

Looks to me like primalist as a base.

[simple bison]

A few of the meta builds this season have already been confirmed to receive nerfs for the upcoming season

[ancient surge]

Or rogue, that never fails :p

[vapid finch]

im just trying to find something to pass the time till the season starts. Ive been bored outta my mind the last few days

[simple bison]

Ah gotcha

[grave knoll]

Yeah that's what i have been thinking. You can go rogue, but don't think that's better in this case? Not sure though

[ancient surge]

Fair enough... spark charge runemaster?

[simple bison]

If you like big bonk EQ bear is where it's at, although it is a minion build so beware

[ancient surge]

The other build I actually played was mana flay lich. It does have a few things to pay attention to.