🐺┃primalist

[near leaf]

Uniques

[trim folio]

War never changes

[high stratus]

druid frogs? what

I know they don't get BM's companion buffs but surely BM is better

[trim folio]

I just want to play cool flying bug

looking like a caveman, no thanks

[high stratus]

you also want to have a real army

if you tried that IRL the frogs would eat all the bees

[trim folio]

you just shattered my dream

[upper jungle]

kind wants to roll a nice druid build.

only shatter totem werebear?

[near leaf]

Tornado bear is good too

Clunky at first but become smooth after from what Ive gathered

[warm cairn]

on str stacking build 😄

[trim folio]

frogs are so op they can be class agnostic

[winter ivy]

Hmm... Anurok Vine Bear 🤔

[raven sluice]

hell yeah

[potent rapids]

New to primalist, looking at the passive tree primal companion builds must be quite tanky yes? 16% less damage from nearby, 30% less damage with boar aspect, and 34% less damage with minion + pale ox body armor. Do these beast master builds feel as tanky as they sound?

[rain wedge]

Are there any item sets that are good for storm crows? I've found a lot, but none of them seem to fit the build

[raven sluice]

2235 corruption is too high for confluence lul

I struggle to get down even the first shade

[high stratus]

last bear potentially but I think Crows have better helmets, gloves and chests to use

they'd be used as reforged anyway

[near leaf]

Shatter Totem?

Or smth else?

[warm cairn]

shatter totem

[near leaf]

That's a Spell

It's a very sword though

[warm cairn]

not upheaval

it is not turbo usefull but it is till nice

[near leaf]

But the Inc Melee Dmg won't work on the spell Shatter Totem

[warm cairn]

not on shatter yes

[near leaf]

I got super lucky on mine got More Dmg per mana cost

Your slam is gorgeous

[raven sluice]

I wonder if it's worth going giga corruption for only prophecies so you're more likely to get LP?

That was my plan anyway. I need dodge rating boots to have a higher chance of just evading shade things, since most things kill me

Also, I don't think I dodged the fire shades flame cone a single time? Is it undodgeable?

[raven sluice]

about to be like 4th beastmaster, as soon as ladder updates, but now the shade fights are very frustrating

[upper jungle]

shade, at certain level, is just bullshit.

[raven sluice]

Yup

The biggest hits and the most random split second telegraphs

Eyy, 2 of the beastmasters ahead of me are alts

The first guy is on 6k though. The alting guys are on 3k. I'm on 2583

[high stratus]

is your kitty dying at all or just you?

[raven sluice]

It does die now and then

I got like 1.2% or 12% minion leech, and 120% increased minion leech. But it still dies

Idr if I got any minion life aside from passive tree though

Seems I got 103% on helm, 100% on passives (iirc)

Maybe 25% minion res

But I spam thorn shield on it

[winter ivy]

Anyone tried Bear-Bear this season? Was thinking about running Laup's Werebear with Bear companion setup for Thornburst.

[mental iris]

Hi ! I'm running totem shamn with Laup's Path. Cold damage with thorn totem, storm totem and upheaval totem. I feel a bit squishy, how much armor should I try to get ?

[patent dock]

In theory, yeah, if you can handle it. More corruption also means more xp, so more prophecies which is tbh more impactful than the LP bonus.

[upper jungle]

u can just farm favor reseting rune prisons

[patent dock]

Sounds miserable, and means you aren't farming normal stuff

[raven sluice]

second uberoth kill, I thought this would be easier

ladder says 3 kills cuz I killed him when dead once lul

damn, kill is exactly 5min

but that's including looting and shattering some items

[raven sluice]

meh, I know the drill around exp, I was hoping LP bonus would make higher corruption more worthwhile

[upper jungle]

Yeah. i diddnt notice big difference between 1k and 2k corrp

only the xp gained. level skills faster

[raven sluice]

I guess the difference I notice between like 700c and 2k c might be mostly from going from 700 to 1k

[wise leaf]

it's actually kinda solid on boss drop uniques

but otherwise not reeeeeally

[potent rapids]

What's the strongest single companion build for hardcore? Bear, cat, raptor, or scorpion?

[shadow cosmos]

bear is gonna have the best single target dps, but especially now that eq consumes your mana it’s gonna have slow clear and feel pretty clunky for most people. sabertooth is a good all-rounder.

[potent rapids]

Thank you 🫡 thinking I can make myself immortal by scaling boar effect and redirected damage to minions

[wise leaf]

scorp is great for leveling/early monos

but yeah

scales badly into higher monos

[patent dock]

Yeah, bleed is pretty solid defensively because of boar effect

[potent rapids]

That's what I was thinking as well. I specced a scorpion build but really wanted bleed from boar instead

What's the issue with bear?

[wise leaf]

tbf, scorpion gets a lot of in-practice survivability by being much less dependant on staying in melee and gets to play at range a lot

[patent dock]

Nothing, really. It's a similar setup for both bleed bear and bleed sabertooth, you stay in spriggan form to spam thorn shields on them.

[potent rapids]

Thorn shield? Did not expect that. Just for the bleed chance?

[autumn sail]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Pang_E/character/totem

does this build cast tornadoe while in werebear form?

[patent dock]

Yeah, with that one node, it lets you stack increased damage and bleed chance per shield, it's very nice and also makes the build pop off super early when leveling

[patent dock]

No, it doesn't have any way to do that

[autumn sail]

ok ty

im new to druid and i look for a fun fast build

[raven sluice]

3:23 to kill Uberoth

now I can slam a second immortal vise and vaal it

corrupt it*

hit t7 life regen lmao, this is huge

Julras timebomb barely breaks my 2.5k ward now, and then I have 1.8k life and 700ET

[unreal moss]

oh man bee queen with a dog's head 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

btw anyone try making a build with this set?

[winter ingot]

Hrm does Laup's Path summon thorn totems in werebear form?

[patent dock]

It's a bumblebear

[patent dock]

Yeah, lots of people did (not me personally)

[patent dock]

Yes, it summons them when you roar and if you have fury leap's tree applied to maul then it does it on maul also

and the summon on maul is better than the summon on fury leap for some reason

[unreal moss]

do you have a build for that?

[raven sluice]

I wonder if hitting t7 life drain/missing life as ward on wings of discord could justify LL. I sorta have boot slot open and already use cleaver

So far, I just slammed 2 wings with strength and both corrupted to max rolls though

[raven sluice]

I placed all my uberoths. Didn't expect every kill to take several tries

[patent dock]

No, and if you're looking for a good build I wouldn't recommend it

[wise leaf]

Imagine taking your mascot minions

Making a set for them

And using the weapon type which doesn't get minion affixes

[near leaf]

Someone is talking about boardman set

[wise leaf]

Hey hey that's a scepter and it gets flat minion spell

[patent dock]

Bees have always been leaning toward the "joke build" side of things

[near leaf]

Ah !

[raven sluice]

Would be neat if they allowed gear to have like foreign mods somehow. Maybe gated behind corruption, a rare rune, primordial tier affix, or something

Probably max 1, just like experimental. Maybe always sealed like champion

Like, you use "Rune of Paradoxes", and pick an affix available on other items in that slot but not on that item type.

• Either it randomly adds t1 to t7 or you add tier by tier consuming a rare rune every click (up to exorbitant FP costs for t6/t7, maybe with risk of corrupting or outright ruining the item)
• Either the affix is sealed so exclusive with champions (but this feels unjustified cuz champions already isn't great? and it just makes sealed easier to craft) or the affix is just "Foreign" or "Experimental" or "Paradoxical", which should have a limit of 1 probably

[vapid canopy]

I've never made a build around scorpion, but is the lightning nova a thing? Looks at least fun to play when reading, but I don't think a saw a build around it.

[high stratus]

juice ain't worth the squeeze

scorpion only has 100% more and 30% more damage for lightning hit outside of the nova's own multiplier, spamming nova with EB costs a lot of mana and you have to generate storm bolts too

[vapid canopy]

Thank you.

[high stratus]

I forgot the 60% more for just being a minion but it still isn't very good

[near leaf]

It's very clunky

Charging the scorpion with Storm Bolts is awful

[near leaf]

It has a 100% More Dmg from shock stacks and 400% from Bolts charging it

[high stratus]

the more damage from poison stacks 0/1 node in the top left of the tree converts to shock

so you get 10% more and 3% more per shock stack

[near leaf]

Also got this one

And thats the 400% More from Bolts

[high stratus]

and 60% minion power @ lvl 100

[near leaf]

I was mentioning more dmg I thought you forgot

I guess they were included in "novas own multiplier"

Imo it's not smth you use with EB

But just Swipe

But bolt charging charging part is awful

Maybe you play Shaman Storm Totem? I havent tried it

Not sure if it works

[vapid canopy]

Could be interesting if that worked

Actually wanted to revisit storm totem

Since the 50% nerf

[high stratus]

it's fairly popular among the rarefied elite that are shaman enjoyers

[near leaf]

It's free to run alongside Thorn Totems

[high stratus]

that 3187 c build is interesting

they're direct casting rings of thorn totems and consuming them with storm totem & upheaval totem, upheaval totem is buffing other totems too

I'm not convinced it actually works because they're only lvl 80something

just an alt someone threw together I guess

using testament not laup

[winter ingot]

That was a classic storm totem build back when upheaval was busted, iirc

[sly bobcat]

do the bolts have to happen to hit the scorpion, or does having that node change the bolt priority to hitting the scorpion?

[high stratus]

the latter

while you have fewer than 20 stacks of the buff which counts the damage buff any storm bolts you trigger while in range of the scorpion will hit it, then they'll go back to normal targeting

[sly bobcat]

does it need to be spent storm stacks? seems like you could charge it easily with stationary tornadoes

[high stratus]

think you can charge it with tornado quite easily

if you're triggering the nova with swipe though 10 stacks per second (or more with CDR) isn't easy mana-wise

[sly bobcat]

tornado doesn't really cost too much with the mana efficiency node, especially if your storm bolts aren't eating mana themselves

[near leaf]

I tried back in 1.3 with rules of the Simoon + Maelstrom

It was pretty bad

[high stratus]

storm bolts don't deal much damage but I reckon 20 of them do more than shock nova

[sly bobcat]

i've never played with it so i don't really have any comment on the damage

i just figured charging it wouldn't be all that difficult if you could use nados to do it

[near leaf]

I didn't try actually using a lot of Tornadoes because I wanted to be spamming TS for Lagon Stacks and it was a while so maybe my memories are not accurate

But I think they need an enemy target to be able to hit the scorpion

It's more a redirect than an actual new targeting

I used those 2 nodes in Maelstrom

I was getting 4 stacks per sec if I had at least 4 enemies in range

But only one on bosses

[sly bobcat]

that makes sense

[wise leaf]

Not if you're scaling your scorp and not yourself...

[high stratus]

sure they're different builds but self scaled stormbolts is a perfectly fine build*

*assuming you trigger them with tornado

[wise leaf]

Well yeah

But like

[wise leaf]

In general lightning scorp is the worst scorp

Venom scorp, maelstrom scorp, tsunami scorp and meme scorp (shaman ava eq scorp) are all some degree of "mid tier but clunky"

[vapid canopy]

I see

tested a bit nontheless

it's rather easy to charge the scorpion

easy to maintain the 20 stacks for every cast

but it does only like 5m crits

myy setup is very questionable though

[wise leaf]

How often are you casting tho

[vapid canopy]

yeah just found out about eterras blessing with the cooldown reset

and now I get your complaints about manually targeting the scorpion

it's atrocious

[vapid canopy]

whenever frenzy totem was ready so ~3s

at 20 stacks

[wise leaf]

It'd a little better with wasd movement but yes

[vapid canopy]

without eterras blessing doesn't feel too bad honestly

with 2 tempest maws the storm sprites clean most trash enemies

since we scale minion lightning spell damage

got quite some all attributes though, so anything does damage

[wise leaf]

...why brutality?

[sly bobcat]

these attribute numbers make the design of red ring's restriction feel like a joke lol

[vapid canopy]

best exulis I have, ofc it's cutting my defenses but I'm just lvling for now on 300 corr

[tawny spoke]

So is this shaman build

[near leaf]

Yes, no, maybe, I don't know
😁

[vapid canopy]

Damn

gotta admit I really like the shenanigans we can do with the conversions

[high stratus]

maybe I'm being dumb but I can't see how he's getting so much ward

oh there's an ancestral bones one

[near leaf]

Sorry I have to remove it

Modded client

[vapid canopy]

Oh I see

what was modded actually?

ah I assume the bottom right part?

[empty flax]

hi guys, i dont know anything about primalist, are this spells played together ?

[near leaf]

No, Werebear is a druid exclusive skill and Storm Totem a Shaman exclusive

[empty flax]

oh thanks you, not such a good loot then xD

[sly bobcat]

actually kinda funny that they can show up together like that. it makes sense since they're both helmet prefixes, but still silly

[empty flax]

a bit "unlucky" in my luck but still a +4 skills its fine

[frank ermine]

You could hit it with some havoc runes and maybe get rid of one of the skill affixes you don't want

[sly bobcat]

or just yolo some of the other randomizer rune at it and hope to get lucky

[empty flax]

Yeah i will see, maybe something fun can happen

[patent dock]

Or redemptions could be fun

[frank ermine]

Has anyone noticed companions dying and leaving no body behind to revive them with?

[patent dock]

No, but I have noticed me not noticing them get downed and then running off without them and later wondering where they went lol

[frank ermine]

I'm running bees, triple wolves, and raptor, guessing it's either due to the number of minions (43 bees + queen + 5 totems + 6 vines) or the extra wolves node. They definitely are just not there after omen windows sometimes

[sly bobcat]

yeah that's the one i meant

[near leaf]

Lol

Talking about this node

[sly bobcat]

Lmfao

Maybe it did that before the rework and didn't get that part changed?

[near leaf]

I think it got changed throughout the rework of tsunami

Like it didnt use to reduce, then they decided to reduce, but then change their mind

Thats how I understand it

[patent dock]

Pre-rework

The reduced duration was a positive, sorta, in the old node

didn't realize it stuck on there, so I guess people who were just spreadsheeting tsunami damage (rather than counting their stacks in game) have a good bit less than they thought

[raven sluice]

Most of my guesstimates on maelstrom stacks or thorn shield stacks just get way off, idk why. But that node being listed different than it's implemented could probably contribute

[raven sluice]

Got a 2:44 uberoth kill yesterday. Had like 19 maelstroms a lot of the time which might just be good RNG?

[limpid veldt]

Tsunami build?

[raven sluice]

Nah, just triggering maelstroms to automate stormbolt hits so I get aspect of the viper. Plus tons of dodge rating

[raven sluice]

It's still spriggan form sabertooth bleed beastmaster

[fierce garnet]

What is the LD50 for your minion/companion build (the lethal dose of beating the boss dummy that results in a 50% loss of life)? It takes my frogs 50 seconds (together with crow, bear, wolf, totem and warcry up). Could you post your results for your builds?

[raven sluice]

I'll make a test and post. Also realised I should probably get second beastmaster on ladder. If 20% more corruption is maybe 30% more life/dmg, that shouldn't make a big difference

[raven sluice]

My build has a lot of ramp though 😅||

• Takes like 4 seconds just to get 6 maelstroms so I have frenzy. (4s, ~15 thorn shields)
• Then probably another 7.6 to have sorta ramped thorn shields initially. (11.6s, ~15×0.3+32.4=36 thorn shields)
• Then the saber probably needs like 6 seconds to ramp bleeds but thorn shields ramp slower anyway. (17.6s)
• 30% of "first batch" of thorn shields recast into second batch (18.2s, ~36×0.3+32.4=43 thorn shields?)
• 9% of first batch and 30% of second batch go into third batch (25.8s, ~43×0.3+32.4=45 thorn shields?)
• Just say equilibrium is 46, which you reach after a random amount of time in practice, and then it fluctuates. 2.7%×("1st")+9%×("2nd")+30%×("3rd")...||

Frog players get to just run around most of the time I would guess, rather than always cast thorn shield

[fierce garnet]

I haven't counted in ramping up, I have frenzy totem and warcry on numlock so they auto cast. I've counted the time to get health bar from 90% to 40% (10% to stabilize the fight, get all armor shred ~ 80). So for me it took 50 second of maximum damage (with all buffs up) to take 50% of dummy health. For frogs it is just standing there and waiting.

[raven sluice]

yeah

Man, I messed up.

Need to wait for boss training dummy to regen health, then I can test

like 20 seconds to get it to 49%

even without being preramped, and dropping aspect of the boar for a short time

[sly bobcat]

it takes my wind shaman build like 20 seconds to get to 99%

lel

[raven sluice]

xD

45 thorn shields is 2700% bleed chance and more than double dmg per bleed. 2700% bleed chance alone is an insane number

Kinda equivalent to 1431 flat dmg

[high stratus]

I guess you can start ramping before UA starts fighting at least

[raven sluice]

Yup. It's prolly at like 70% dmg by the time he comes down

Then there's so much moving, it probably averages something like that or lower throughout the fight

[fierce garnet]

My frogs go smoothly through 1k corruption but killing Uberoth is impossible to me. I guess it is skill issue, for me killing it is probably impossible with any build other than one shot.

[raven sluice]

Not necessarily. My build can:

• tank briefly any of his DoTs
• not get one shot by any ability
• treat scary sawblade as a cosmetic effect
• just chill in the puddles that the vertical balls make, sorta as if they were a cosmetic effect (as long as I don't immediately eat a pizza slam after)
• tank laser from the middle for a significant amount of time
• got so much dodge most barrages are very manageable

It's basically just:

• last phase cone one way - then cone another way
• purple fumes of death that he makes in front of himself
• or massive cluster mess of abilities in last phase
  that kill me

On a build like that, that can also kill him in 2:44 as my record, I think learning it is way more doable and fun

It took maybe 40 attempts to get him down like 10 times this week

And I'm getting more and more deathless, but ran out of threshold of eternity (the woven echo)

[raven sluice]

I'll upload a video later

[limpid veldt]

@raven sluice why do you need storm bolt for a bleed minion build?

also

I wonder if it is safe to equip the weaver set

Idk if it will be fixed at any time

[high stratus]

player hits to keep aspect of the viper up

[raven sluice]

Aspect of the Viper. It only activates if you hit things yourself, and targeting the spriggan spells for a chance to get the aspect is way clunkier. And spriggan has no attacks

[limpid veldt]

I see

also

does the node "natural weapon" of upheaval work when trigged by your pet?

[raven sluice]

If they fix it, it's kinda whatever imo. Then I'll just farm an exulis of vitality/rampancy and dexterity/guile probably

[limpid veldt]

damn the choice is hard for me tbh

if possible I prefer an inheritance of the erased

[raven sluice]

No idea. I use it, but idk

[patent dock]

Yes, it scales based on your equipped weapon

[raven sluice]

Neat

[raven sluice]

That could be valid. I'm just low on skill points in several skills

What saber doesn't get from aspect of the boar or thorn shield is almost only attack speed though. So idk if inheritance is that big. I would rather fit julra glove with attack speed

[limpid veldt]

inheritance gives a lot of increased dmg

[raven sluice]

Yeah, but your saber will sit on 20-45 thorn shields, giving 1200-2700% increased dmg

[limpid veldt]

so your sabertooth got 2700 bleed stack with it?

[raven sluice]

Inheritance is huge dmg if well rolled, and if ammy slot is literally free then maybe cuz it's just that good. But it doesn't give anything thorn shield saber lacks

[raven sluice]

Nah, 900 at times. But 2700% increased dmg

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

I wonder if bear is stronger

[raven sluice]

My math indicated it was hard to make bear compete, but idk there might be stuff I missed

[limpid veldt]

you mean they are equal or something?

[raven sluice]

Nah, bear in spriggan form is limited in earthquakes but base attack kinda lackluster

[limpid veldt]

so overall sabertooth is stronger single target dps too?

[raven sluice]

My impression is that it probably is. Gearing might be different, bear wants minion CDR, doesnt really need as much attack speed

Bear needs to get much more rage generation

[raven sluice]

Ah, nvm. False alarm. Idk how I messed up, but I don't currently have any conclusive numbers on bear 😅

Saber seems slightly higher, but if you get viper on bear (harder to do) it deals more dmg on paper. But it's harder to get enough skill points, enough rage per second, enough passive points, enough skill specialisation slots

If you can get minion CDR without losing boar effect, I might try bear again

Hmm. Bear has cull. That would be huge vs uberoth

Or tbh, most of the last phase is the ward barrier

His last phase he starts healing when not animation locked and at 35% or lower I think, heals 40% in another animation lock, arena becomes tiny and he gets voidcone of death from like 70% hp with 75% of HP as ward barrier at 20%. 145% total HP in last phase and bear instantly kills at 14%. So it's not huge, but it's kind of 10% less time spent in the hardest phase

Hmm. Bear also has aspect of the panther. @limpid veldt I was prolly wrong. Bear prolly has more dmg on skill trees, if you can fit it all which is based on gear and playstyle (need to be closer to get aspect of the viper when you don't have room to specialise GS, need to make room for more rage generation through belt and idols, need to spend 15pts in shaman, prolly can't drop any aspect of the viper pts despite being less reliant on attack speed, prolly should max out "The Chase (8/8)" cuz bear has so low movement speed)

[raven sluice]

the 2:44 uberoth https://youtu.be/znZnRlWz184?si=80UI45Bhih_hBowj

[near leaf]

GG

Very clean

[raven sluice]

Ty

I did him a bunch of times, and got lucky he didnt use purple fumes (ground of destruction)

[near leaf]

That shit is crazy

[raven sluice]

Also hadnt figured out the cone of death in last phase yet, but got lucky on that too

[raven sluice]

Yeah, it's probably the second most lethal thing he does for my build. The most being void cone

I realised I should probably use the low lvl void/necrotic armor helm

And the germination belt

[potent whale]

the screenshake

[raven sluice]

😅

[raven sluice]

Got this in mind maybe for later maybe. Not sure if it will work but anyway, if bear has higher dmg it might be worth https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9JEYO85

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (72) / Shaman (16) / Druid (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,275, Regen: 388.8/s
▸ Mana: 274.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 373%, Regen: 97/s
▸ Attributes: 160 Str / 40 Dex / 160 Int / 39 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 52% / 92% / 67% / 52% / 52% / 52% / 52%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 370
▸ Dodge Chance: 41% (1482)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,422)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 68%

Used skills:

Summon Bear / Earthquake / Spriggan Form / Swipe / Maelstrom

[raven sluice]

Quite unfinished. No idols, unbalanced res. Just jammed red rings in to almost cap res

Too low regen. Might work with germination boots, but it's wasting all that boar effect on almost not being tanky

[near leaf]

How do you rage sustain ?

Idol Enchant ?

[raven sluice]

Yup, wings doubles it

I regen +6 per second. So with the base degen of -5 I gain net +1 per second. Maelstrom on hit costs mana, so in a very long fight I'd eventually run out. But I don't think I met a shade tankier than uberoth on 2.6k corruption

[raven sluice]

If you go bear, the solution could actually be rage totems. Then you can use the cast speed with totem nodes in shaman and the shaman points are less wasted. But I doubt they're gonna stay up long without scaling attunement, so might not work

[raven sluice]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP6wjZnp

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (72) / Shaman (16) / Druid (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,704, Regen: 1,609.88/s
▸ Mana: 274.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 405%, Regen: 689/s
▸ Attributes: 159 Str / 40 Dex / 159 Int / 39 Att / 41 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 114% / 89% / 74% / 74% / 74% / 116%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 456
▸ Dodge Chance: 45% (1656)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,828)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 128%

Used skills:

Summon Bear / Earthquake / Spriggan Form / Swipe / Maelstrom

[raven sluice]

that gear is kinda absurd, but probably obtainable in MG, I'm not sure uberoth even could kill it, and it might do uberoth in like 1 minute

although a thorn shield companion bleed build probably never does uberoth in 1 minute

[patent dock]

lmao one of the new forum profile pics you can choose is "storm crows, but sideways"

[vestal nymph]

Good morning. Is there a good leveling guide for a beast master that isn't boring but fun? Sloging through to the End of time with the same build again and again is just boring.
I have a lot of Uniques and Set Items already from my lvl 78 Necromancer.

[high stratus]

triple slam EQ has a lot of damage and AOE, probably pretty smooth

[vestal nymph]

EQ = Earthquake, correct?

[high stratus]

yes

I've also heard that levelling with upheaval is very smooth now

[vestal nymph]

I might try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkT_lZrlE6k

[limpid veldt]

@raven sluice for your bleed build, how to you teleport?

like, every build has a teleport skill for qol

[raven sluice]

🤐

I dont

you'd have to use silvafrond

[limpid veldt]

oh damn

[raven sluice]

I'm just pushing corruption and doing uberoth atm. I don't feel like teleport is absolutely necessary ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid veldt]

but teleport allows you to avoid many attacks

and teleport also allow you to quickly finish your objective

[raven sluice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the same goes for movement speed, question is how much it's worth

[limpid veldt]

btw does aspect of the boar trigger on hit or melee hit only?

[raven sluice]

in this build only on evade

[limpid veldt]

kind of annoying to only evade tbh

[raven sluice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you can add silvafrond ofc

But boar is still only activateable in spriggan using evade. Spriggan Forms design is a bit limiting, but it also makes the build work

For my current build, I don't use the unique boots I want cuz too low movement speed. I also got nodes in druid for movement speed in spriggan. I think shades might be easier with more dodge but I would probably struggle against uberoth with less movement speed. I just feel like ring slots are huge

Also I don't like farming, so I just push and then do some echoes on 2641c for enchants or bosses etc

Then movement is just as much as the fights actually require

I suppose if I made a guide, I should evaluate what ring to swap for silvafrond. And maybe for myself try silvafrond. Red Ring is just officially OP though, and res would be tricky without it. The armor vs dot from weaver ring is very helpful, and bugged weaver set is nice extra stats from weapons. Probably the low gear choice is like a LP1 red ring, then a well crafted weaver ring, then a LP1+good corrupt red ring on final gear

Idk

[limpid veldt]

hmm

tbh I feel like triggering thing via evade is not a good qol thing

[raven sluice]

I got a bunch of LP2 silvafronds, so I might try getting t7+t7 from prophecies, slam, corrupt anyway

[limpid veldt]

since I often spend evade on dangerous situations

[raven sluice]

Yeah, definitely not

[limpid veldt]

aspect of the boar should be triggered via something more often

like ordinary hits

[raven sluice]

An option is aspect of the boar duration. With evade being your only movement skill, if boar lasts 12 seconds it should almost always be up

[limpid veldt]

maybe

but I'm just afraid I will forget

since my head has been programmed to trigger evade on dangerous situations

[raven sluice]

Agree. It's a scuffed-to-play build, might be why I'm like the only one on ladder doing it, despite being probably second BM on ladder overall if you ignore alts using confluence of oblivion

[limpid veldt]

damn if only boar is triggered on hit instead of on melee hit

[raven sluice]

And even if you count the 2 BMs doing that on the same account, I'm still rank 4 😎

[raven sluice]

It would be nice, since you already trigger spells to get hits for viper. You can even use the GS on evade belt and friends of the tempest, since spriggan can attack, it just doesn't have any attacks

But that is even more evade focus

And like, needing to evade next to the boss every time storm stacks dropped might really really suck. Not sure

If you modify the storm stack discharge frequency, it might not reliably keep viper up on the one hand, or drop off too fast on the other

[limpid veldt]

Is it possible to attach evade to skill bar?

Since with guile I might be able to use evade more frequently

[raven sluice]

not that I know of, you can move around the keybindings though

I'm gonna make some silvafrond thing eventually, just clearing out all the echoes I placed on 2641c now though

my riftbeast champions echo didnt drop a single portal champion, meh

[raven sluice]

I just want a T8 portal champions with 6 mods (so 2 sealed), and 1×t7 mod on it, preferably on an ancestral crown

And 50FP

To put in warlords imprint

I hope warlords imprint counts the primordial sealed mod btw

[autumn sail]

is this build from volca good ?

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/upheaval-beastmaster-guide

[patent dock]

I think it does, at least as a T7 max, only problem is the drop rate on that imprint is so terrible

and since it can't drop primordial items, you'll never get what you want anyway

so, in retrospect, the imprint's drop rate isn't the only problem

[raven sluice]

I dont want it to drop as primordial though

also, 2641c omens veil seems to crash the server

I want a portal champions ancestral crown with some t7 mod to havoc

[patent dock]

Oh I see, thought you wanted the T8 mod itself

[raven sluice]

nah

[tawny spoke]

Why do I feel so squishy on corruption 100+

Am I doing wrong

My HP is around 2.5k

[near leaf]

Planner?

[raven sluice]

Lack of boar effect

It's a common cause of squishyness in non-BM builds

If the servers (and my PC) could handle it, I might be able to do omens veil on 2.6k corruption

#balance

Though I love that primalist has some good stuff

[wheat oracle]

👀

I think there is a reflect primalist build

with spriggan or something

nice drop

[raven sluice]

Yup

[patent dock]

Yeah, just gotta reroll that 3% to a 6%

[sly bobcat]

honestly rerolling higher LPs isn't nearly as bad as it was before due to corruption affixes counting

[high stratus]

yeah that 3-6% is such an important roll that 6% 1lp would be better

[tired pagoda]

hey, I am new in LE. A beastmaster with bear and this item. Useful? I think so .. any hints?

[patent dock]

Yeah, evolution's end is pretty nice especially early on, for most builds. It has a lot of good generic stuff on it and move speed. The rift beast spawn part itself is just a cute effect, not practically useful.

[tired pagoda]

the spawn of the rift beast is funny! chaos on my screen

[patent dock]

Since it always drops when you end a lineage with the same evolutions your rift beast had, you can make some particularly fashionable rift beasts if you're lucky

[autumn sail]

is the Tornado build from Binaqc good?

[subtle lodge]

Not had a look but usually his stuff is pretty good

But at the end of the day it really depends on what you deem to be "good"

[raven sluice]

This muddies conversations so much. Some think 100c is good enough. Others 300c. Others 1000c. Others uberoth. Others that you can push 1000s of corruption

Rather than saying good bad, people should be like "got dmg for bosses in 1000c, clear is not a problem, squishy in 300c but got range, movement and dodge to play around it"

Etc

[subtle lodge]

It doesn't muddy it at all, it helps clarify exactly what they are after. Quite the opposite.

[patent dock]

Too many word

[wise leaf]

but also perry can't exactly give those numbers cos he doesn't know how the build performs lol

[raven sluice]

No, sorry. I meant your post was correct. You have to ask that question, because if you don't people may not be talking about the same thing

[near leaf]

One shot uber or bust

[high stratus]

our lord and saviour Mike says 300c is good

[subtle lodge]

For me I want 1000c in HC

I really think that is what all builds should be able to achieve in endgame - aspirational gear.

[raven sluice]

I got 2641c in SC, not on aspirational gear

xD

[patent dock]

Vlad the meta chaser

[sly bobcat]

i asked on stream a while ago if they ever planned to implement any kind of tiering system so that people have a better sense of where they fall in the progression curve

the way i worded the question made it pretty clear to anyone that had played PoE that I was referring to map tiers, and he said "I see what you're getting at, and there's plans for something similar but no hard caps on corruption"

so hopefully we get something that helps the greater community stop being dumb about it and there's a better consensus about what's "good" in terms of progression

[near leaf]

The road map mentions "corruption tiers" arriving with LEO

[autumn sail]

is there still a Lightning werebear build?

[near leaf]

Well, Tornado Werebear

[heavy ice]

"good" is obviously 60k!

[raven sluice]

Tornadobear is probably still good yup. I haven't checked the leaderboards, but when you're a werebear you don't have to pay for exciting bolts the same way (it consumes rage, and you got rage on hit, and afaik you start on full rage no matter your mana on entry). You also get modifiers from transforming that last a short time and give you crit chance, lightning damage, (very brief) huge damage reduction, maybe more stuff I forgot. Selfcast tornado would otherwise be a shaman thing, and shaman is maybe slightly more specialised for spellcasting (attunement as mana regen), but shaman is a mess

[unreal field]

Started a strength stacking storm breaker werebear build (in HC). It's nice that you can actually maintain high rage/mana for Gathering Storm Excited Bolts + the new spell lightning conversion for aftershocks added in S4. Haven't done the math how much this build will scale but I like the playstyle - proccing spells on melee.

[autumn sail]

can you share @unreal field

?

[unreal field]

Sure. The planner is a little bit all over the place but here is my current char: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Brommquisz/character/BromBearHC (reusing gear from my dead melee shaman)

Basically: Storm Breaker + stacking strength for flat spell + aftershock on melee attack idols.

But please be aware - this is more for the playstyle, not for reaching 1000c and one shotting uber 🙂

[autumn sail]

all good

;)(

how is the aoe on it?

@unreal field

[stoic sand]

It's good though be prepared for cheese deaths because you can't see anything because your screen is full of tornadoes.

[stoic sand]

Just got a 3 LP laups path and thinking about rolling an alt. Best way to build around it? I'm guessing some form of totem pop with upheaval.

[sly bobcat]

ask our resident meta slave @near leaf about Werebear Totems

[near leaf]

Shatter Totem Werebear is probably the best build with it

We are talking insta phasing Uber on each cast on top end gear

[stoic sand]

wow that's nuts, i was thinking of trying to go a poison or bleed variant though its been a minute since i have played bear.

I'm guessing people are strength scaling because of bears strength to spell dmg node?

or do you scale minion, not sure which stats scale the totem pops

nvm i googled it looks like there are so builds on maxroll and lastepoch tools

[high stratus]

it's player spell damage

cold for the unique idol

you can get brutality scaling on it too, but it does so much damage that you dont really need to.

[near leaf]

Str scaling + Cleaver + str/int exulis

[near leaf]

Hum, if you stop at 1000C yeah but for uber I would recommand it

[stoic sand]

Right on, guessing you can get some nice ward too because of cleaver

[near leaf]

Not sure how you would generate it

[stoic sand]

ya most of the stuff scales with spell or eley dmg

[heavy ice]

Is anyone streaming / recording shatter totem bear gameplay. I'd love to see it

[near leaf]

That build aside if you are looking for some less meta, Vinebear + Totems look pretty good

[near leaf]

I was about to start playing, I can showcase case some of it

I play a slighty different version

Than the "meta" one

[heavy ice]

What's your profile

[near leaf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/pvtvlad/character/Pop-Pop-Pop

Give me a minute and Ill create a vocal channel

[heavy ice]

pop pop pop 😄

[near leaf]

😄

Its one of the rare character that ended up doing what I had named it for

[near leaf]

I am streaming if you want

[near leaf]

I guess you dont want ^^

[heavy ice]

I prefer to watch it later

[near leaf]

Ill record you smth then

[wise leaf]

Cursedboy has a video on it

[autumn sail]

is this used in any build ?

[near leaf]

Werebear shatter toem

[autumn sail]

ty

good for high corruption?

[near leaf]

yup

[autumn sail]

is there any like super fast build for Druid/shaman/beastmaster? the shatter totem is strong but looks slow

[near leaf]

Tornado bear ?

[autumn sail]

the one where it attaches to you?

[near leaf]

Nope

You spam double tornadoes

It got crazy range

And then you swap to werebear and run

[patent dock]

Minion scaled laup is pretty fast, just not as strong as shatter

[stoic sand]

Does brutality really scale that much more dmg? Aren't both pops physical spell which wouldn't get affected by brutality? Or is the added damage that good just to boost upheavals dmg?

[wise leaf]

the totem shatter from upheaval is a spell subskill of upheaval. because brutality is a more multiplier that applies to melee attacks not melee damage it gets inherited by the totem shatter

[stoic sand]

Interesting, I wouldn't have thought that would scale like that. So any sub spell would scale with brutality as long as the main skill that generated it is melee

[unreal moss]

can anybody help me on adding affixes to this build please,got it from a chinese guy
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxvjGXVR

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (74) / Shaman (19)

General:

▸ Health: 1,658, Regen: 101.76/s
▸ Mana: 295.51, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 93 Str / 32 Dex / 32 Int / 58 Att / 43 Vit
▸ Resistances: 33% / 42% / 90% / 5% / 17% / 26% / 17%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 382
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (128)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (948)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Warcry / Earthquake / Summon Frenzy Totem / Summon Wolf

[wise leaf]

yup

[tight hill]

what do you mean by adding affixes to the build exactly? sorry i'm not able to understand

[unreal moss]

I mean there are some item don't have added affixes like exalted or corrupted in the planner yet so

[tight hill]

can you link to the build's featured video or something? the build has a very specific set of amulet stat conversions to use on top of getting multi penetration only idols for its idol slots. a video to see wht they explain from the buildmaker might give more context. seems that it is a natural wrath frenzy stakcing build.

[unreal moss]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mt5r6KE2c/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=30ee6a04742c2f335a19e521f56e2b85
here you go

[unreal moss]

the main theme is lightning earthquake build I think

he uses gathering storm to increase damage for earthquake

[tight hill]

Sorry, but in the video at the end teh creator seems to be not recommending the build . is it exactly something you want to do? they've shown it works for the level showcased but the defences aer so bad for a baeastmaster that you would end up dying a lot mroe than you should.

[unreal moss]

well I just wanna try something difference,seems like everybody go for shatter werebere so 😙 😙 😙 😙

[tight hill]

well in that case, you are free to fill up all the exalted affixes for defences(health/armor, etc)and a bit more resistances since it uses boots that bring your phys res down hard.

[unreal moss]

ok ty btw

[tight hill]

by avoiding getting one shotted, you get to leverage aspect less damage taken, and regen to heal back up fast but being able to survive big hits in a row matters a lot more.

[unreal moss]

actually I did tried this build and got killed too soon while going omen 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[tight hill]

it is not a defensive setup and you could get better value out of other skilsl that are similar, but it all depends on what you want to build or play around and how you want to build it. it wont be super efficient, but if experimenting with something new is what you want, you will be able to.

[autumn sail]

is there a shatter totem build that has a bit higher clear speed like faster movement?

[high stratus]

if you try playing it in human form you'd be actually using fury leap with 2 charges so you'd probably be pretty mobile as primalists go

werebear is definitely more damage, tankier, easier resource management etc but maul is very short ranged compared to fury leap

[unreal field]

This doesn't work for storm bolt hits, right? But from the text it should. Everywhere else they make sure to mention "melee".

[high stratus]

It doesn't, no, it would probably try to spend infinite mana if it did

[unreal field]

But this more dmg does apply to Storm Bolts, right?

[high stratus]

You get 1.56 storm bolts per stack with the chance to add instead of consume plus all th multi target bolts etc so you'd tend towards increasing your stack count at the cost of mana if it worked

[unreal field]

I mean it is capped at 0 mana 🙂 Playing around with wearbear + storm breaker. There I could actually see it work with how much rage you can generate.

[high stratus]

Which would cause your time between bolts to decrease until you were spending more mana than you could possibly generate, unless you did it as a druid then rage on crit + hit would make it mana positive maybe

[unreal field]

And last one: Exited Bolts works with rage, right? 🙂

[high stratus]

Yes it does

Usually via casting tornado and then becoming a bear

[unreal field]

I don't loose any rage with Exited Bolts. So it almost feels like it is not working 🙂

[unreal field]

Yep. Trying it as melee bear + aftershock.

[patent dock]

Rage is mana, it works. You can generate rage on hit/crit which can make it seem like you're not losing mana

[unreal moss]

so is it be ok if I replace Mad ladle with a reforged axe to get full set of Jormun and +1 point to all skill?

[near leaf]

Imo it's not worth

You already have most of the node you want and the full jormund set bonus is 10% Crit Multi

Would rather keep a Ladle or a cleaver solution

[unreal moss]

ok ty

[unreal moss]

cool,do we have end game planner for this build yet or just for leveling?

[last widget]

hi guys, how can I increase the maximum Storm Stacks? Mine only goes up to 15 stacks with Friends of the Tempest

[raven sluice]

Is the crit multi just additive with everything else?

I guess if it's literally just like a t3 mod, the set is kinda designed to only need 2 pieces?

[near leaf]

Yep, regular crit multi

[raven sluice]

Damn

It's like they swapped the 2-piece bonus and the 3-piece bonus

1 jormund + primordial ring, or jormund + rare belt seems OP. Though if you have ring you want complete sets I guess

[patent dock]

That's just the max for that specific node. The only way to get more stacks is to use some other method of stack generation.

[last widget]

I’m trying a build with Natural Wrath idols, but it seems hard to maintain and keep a high, consistent amount of Storm stacks.

[patent dock]

Yeah, it is not easy to use the EQ proc part of the idol so far

[winter ingot]

I would expect it to need some of the idol affix for reduced stack expenditure frequency along with some very strong generation

[dusky zodiac]

greetings fellow primalist enjoyers. how do people deal with avalanches manacost nowdays?

[near leaf]

Xylem attunement stacking + Apathy I believe

[dusky zodiac]

tried apathy once, it destroyed my survivabily, despite having a lot of leech and regen

i was thinking about urzils pride, but im not sure i want to sacrefice my body slot for regen

[mossy coral]

Yeah you need low life for it

[dusky zodiac]

i would have to rework the whole character for that D:

[raven sluice]

Apathy + xylem + low life seems very cool. Exsanginious is quite common and you can vaal like 10% extra decay & missing life as ward

[high stratus]

pretty bad retention on shaman usually but yeah you can certainly get the WPS

[raven sluice]

Ah, fair

With bad retention but good WPS, you have unusually good sustain. So mitigation would be nice just so you don't get tapped or die to burst dmg. But you're not stacking strength or dex for armor/dodge. Idk if there's a lot mitigation available from other sources either

At least you have the primalist LL passives

Maybe thorn totem on hit + frostbite shackles and cold res?

You're not in spriggan, so you just get like 5-6 thorn totems. But that's still a bunch of cold res

You can get spriggan form and place healing totems with thorn totem tree though. Then get all the nodes on skill trees to increase totem duration and tankyness. That way, you can go from 6 totems to 15 totems at times. Add the spriggan node that gives ward equal to armor when you transform and then just pick the armor while in spriggan form. It's not as integral to the build as when spriggan form reset mana, but it might be worth it

6 thorn totems is 50+6×15=140 cold res so 70 retention, and kind of automated. Another 9 healing-thorn totems is 135 cold res so 67.5 retention, not automated, much clunkier. Idk

[high stratus]

yeah but you can't cast avalanche in spriggan form and boulder idols are wildly insufficient

[raven sluice]

Yeah. 6 second cooldown when you're stuck in spriggan, and it doesn't give mana so no reason other than 67.5 ward retention. If you could get decent armor, it could be a panic button for the ward when you transform, but you probably just use a thorn totem idol

You can actually make a 5 thorn totem on hit idol give positive mana:

• 18 base cost

• -5 from shaman, 13

• +15 from summon all at once, 28

• 100% more from skill tree to raise cap, 56

• 20% reduced by spirit xylem, 44.8

• 60% efficiency from nodes, 28

• Cost 28 to trigger summoning all 5

• Nodes to get 12 mana when one is killed or unsummoned, you summon 5 at a time: 5×12=60

So if you have a skill slot, it kinda just costs an idol

Now that the idol has a CD, you might wanna summon all at once

[dusky zodiac]

WPS?

[high stratus]

ward per second

[dusky zodiac]

onhit totems dont give mana back. the mana refund node sadly only works on totems you summoned directly 🙁

[raven sluice]

Ah, I forgot about that

Do you have to pay for thorn totems from idols though?

[dusky zodiac]

nope. procced thorns are free. that is probably the reason they decided to not give them refund ability

[raven sluice]

Ah, nice

[patent dock]

Yep, iirc they used to refund mana, but changed the mana refund to only work on direct summons because of all the free ways to proc them

[raven sluice]

Damn

[dusky zodiac]

such a shame. i can proc 1-2 totems per avalanche. if refund worked, i would have no mana issue

[wise leaf]

yeah EHG kinda just didn't give primalist any solutions to mana issues outside of melee attacks or scaling mana regen

both of which are just bad

[patent dock]

or just have orange mana instead

[wise leaf]

yeah druid gets a meaningful solution

[raven sluice]

Hopefully shaman gets some cool stuff when they rework it

Would be cool if druid could have rage and mana, at the same time

[heavy ice]

Orange mana is best mana

[autumn sail]

is there a shatter totem build that has a higher base movement speed?

[limpid veldt]

hmm

@raven sluice it seems that bleed squirrel is the best single target build after all

[raven sluice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I mean, 1 squirrel will have like 500% bleed chance max, and like 30% less dmg. That's effectively 350% bleed chance. If you have 12 squirrels that counts as 4200% bleed chance on a single minion. 1 companion with thornshield will have like 2000% bleed chance depending on your cast speed. Potentially more. And 75% more dmg making it effectively 3500% bleed chance from the first solo companion node. Then 85% more dmg from the other solo companion node for 6475% bleed chance. And then you can put that on bear with with 75% more dmg on chassis, thornburst on autoattack, and tons of multipliers on EQ and swipe. Or saber that deals like 100% extra dmg from upheaval and flurry swipes on hits with autoattacks

I haven't done the math though

[limpid veldt]

but squirrel can have solo companion node too?

[raven sluice]

Ah, but then you only get 4 squirrels

[limpid veldt]

and wolf also has quite a lot of multipliers

[raven sluice]

But I guess then you have like:

• 350% × 4 × 1.75 × 1.85 = 4532.5%

Thorn shield companion is quite different from squirrel anyway

[limpid veldt]

hmm

maybe squirrel has faster kill speed

due to the axe that doubles bleed speed

[raven sluice]

Did you test or do math on it?

[limpid veldt]

I just test

more reliable than any maths

[raven sluice]

Got links to the characters?

[limpid veldt]

offline chars

[raven sluice]

Got planners?

[limpid veldt]

hmm, just removed the gear since I test with offline gears

[raven sluice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid veldt]

well :)))

things are easier with offline tests

but quick bleed load makes squirrels stronger

[raven sluice]

Without the info on what you tested, I can't actually assume it applies completely to what I'm doing, unless I test it myself

[limpid veldt]

you can try in offline tbh

I tried uberroth kill time but gears are maxed so that's not what you are interested anyway

[raven sluice]

I guess I should be using offline yup

[limpid veldt]

try the double bleed speed axe

[raven sluice]

I would mainly just use that if it was like the difference between 30s kill and 20s kill. No matter the content I focus on. So focus on echoes then killing a champion that much faster is valid. Phasing uberoth, that much faster is valid. Etc

If uberoth takes 2 minutes, idk. Maybe

I guess whatever is faster is better? Considering uberoth is tankier than anything in probably 3k corruption

But main point of axe imo is that you can probably make a champion that would die in 15 seconds die in 6

Or tbh, since you have no CD on swipe, it can probably make bleeds double like 4 times. Then a 12s bleed takes 0.75s, so basically instant

It would just double even more until they became instant if they lasted longer. Assuming they can double in speed several times

Ngl, I underestimated Taste of Blood

Squirrels just run around basically, it's when you go up and swipe that bleeds become instant

[limpid veldt]

well you can try offline

more reliable than any maths

actual result matters the most

[raven sluice]

But I got 2.6k corruption in online, that's results

[limpid veldt]

that's the result of bleed sabertooth

you don't have the result of bear or squirrel yet

[raven sluice]

Squirrel is a completely different build though. Bear is harder to gear and my gear isnt great

But yeah

I could test offline to see if I should push on something else, or math it out completely

[limpid veldt]

squirrel is... the ordinary BM build

just spam swipe to buff minions

not something creative :)))

[raven sluice]

I mean, solo quad companion isn't exactly ordinary

It also strictly requires a unique helm

[limpid veldt]

I mean ordinary playstyle

just summon your companion and spam swipe

also warcry on cd

and frenzy totem too

[raven sluice]

Idk, I think that's subjective still. I can agree it seems close to EHG vision for beastmaster I guess. But you don't have that much use for aspect of the shark which is many nodes in beastmaster, lynx same. Ranking builds by "this is beastmaster" feels weird

Or it might be, but why is that important

If you don't like spriggan form playstyle, that's fair

But I don't care. I think the free armor makes becoming tankier very nice. And bleed chance and damage from thorn shield is nice cuz it makes gearing easier

Was the spriggan form test with the movement skill ring btw? Also what difference in kill speed?

[limpid veldt]

nah I'm not ranking any build by "this is BM"

just say that it's kind of typical BM seen in most builds

what I rank is dps, not playstyle

[raven sluice]

Was it like LP4 gear or reasonably maxed gear btw. Also, any difference in tankyness? I don't know what you actually measured

Anyway, I could try to math it. That's what I do. If something seems likely to push corruption further, farm uberoth faster, farm high corruption faster and higher with less deaths, on gear I could put together in reasonable time, I might swap to it

[raven sluice]

Just to be transparent I suppose. I appreciate you talking to me about the build, but lack of clarity makes it so I don't know what to do with the information

@limpid veldt

[limpid veldt]

Ah I was doing lp4 for testing yeah, but general the suffixes are the same in both build

Both uses nest relic, onos tull, julras gloves, foots of the mountain

Both has the two bleed prefixes on armor and helmet

Not much difference

[raven sluice]

Ah, fair

[raven sluice]

I'll try to replicate the testing with LP4 gear on similar tankyness and those items if I get around to learning how to test in offline mode

[unreal moss]

just tried your thorn sabertooth,the damage is pretty good but it screws my CPU man 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[raven sluice]

Sabertooth does that. It supposedly can procc upheaval on all melee hits, including upheaval itself, shockwaves from upheaval, flurry swipes. Flurry swipes is just autoattacks though they say. In any case, bear can probably work quite similar to sabertooth. It doesn't get its dmg from with triggering attacks on attack hits, but cooldowns and spending your rage etc instead. So bear is likely less laggy

[unreal moss]

do you have any build for shaman,looks like your build is quite good for going omen which I'm up to

[raven sluice]

Sorry, the only shaman I had was self-cast avalanche with spriggan form swap for resetting mana, but that's nerfed. The other one would be LL tornado stormbolt shaman, but that was in like a year ago so before primordial items and everything

I guess avalanche was also a year ago

But LL tornado stormbolt probably is still good if you can get ward retention

Cuz apathy and potentially xylem

And reduced tornado mana cost

Idk if there even was a nerf to shaman tornado, or if it was only buffed

[unreal moss]

well I guess I'm gonna try your thorn bear build first 😙 😙 😙 😙

[raven sluice]

Thorn bear seems very nice. Might also wanna ask @patent dock , he's the one who recommended it to me. Then @high stratus pointed out saber might be competitive and it seemed easier to gear so I went with that

But bear might have higher dmg in the end, just needs a lot more rage per second, more skill points in more skills, it's harder to keep aspect of the viper up, more important to be lvl 100

[unreal moss]

👍 🫡 👌

[unreal moss]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Vinchova/character/ShamanTsunamiYoloVin
are you still on this one?

[raven sluice]

It failed. Among other reasons, the node that gives basically all the damage for Tsunami (30% more dmg and 10% inc AoE per stack of Maelstrom) is bugged and has 10% reduced Maelstrom duration. It's a relic from before when shorter duration on Maelstrom wasn't strictly negative for Tsunami. They might have fixed it or they might be fixing it soon, but I don't know the state of it. Most people didn't do great with Tsunami in any case.

[near leaf]

Werebear tsunami is great for clearing and omens

[unreal moss]

supposed so

[near leaf]

I did myself a very short try with scuffed setup and was doing 1k easily

@vapid canopy I believe gave it a proper try

[unreal moss]

I tried tsunami werebear earlier,damage is disgusting

[raven sluice]

I forgot about werebear. Werebear makes all the things I just can't see a way to make work, work. Lul

[near leaf]

Idk how you tried it but str stacking + Palarus + Ladle and I was oneshotting screenwide at 1k

[unreal moss]

I found a planner from this channel by doing this 😙 😙 😙 😙

[vapid canopy]

Yep it's a strong build

didn't save a planner unfortunately

[vapid canopy]

I used cleaver + palarus

madness conversion for free spell crit

[near leaf]

On exulis ?

So extra aoe

[vapid canopy]

extra aoe + spell crit yup

you hit all your screen basically

[mossy coral]

Got scared for a second when I saw myself on that search

[patent stratus]

Stormcaller (Avalanche) has chance to proc on any boulder hit or only direct cast?

[near leaf]

Any boulder

[patent stratus]

I guess that include the Scorpions?

[near leaf]

I haven't tested it
But I want to say no

It should give you Scorpion storm Stacks

[patent dock]

Yes. If your scorpion's boulder procs it, it gives you a storm stack.
Sidenote, the wording isn't quite accurate, it's a chance per boulder that hits, not per actual hit.

[near leaf]

Trust Father Toast on this one

[patent stratus]

like "if it hits at least one enemy" passives?

[patent dock]

Yeah exactly, on a per-boulder basis

[high stratus]

Are you sure? I know you can't get more than one storm stack per boulder but it feels like you do get more overall in multi-target situations than the 45% chance implies

like it feels like 45% chance per hit up to 1 per boulder but I haven't tested it rigorously

[patent dock]

More boulders will hit in a multi-target situation, but for example if you manually cast avalanche and the big boulder kills the entire pack so none of the others hit, you basically just get 1 stack if you're lucky

So my experience was generally that I got very little storm stacks while clearing with manual avalanche, but tons against beefy single targets that could actually survive against multiple entire casts

[sly bobcat]

I don't trust goats

especially not when they have guns pointed at me

[patent dock]

🔫🐐

[vapid canopy]

here I shared the planner btw

I changed the altar to 2% boss damage per needle later on

and INT/ATT exulis probably better

[near leaf]

Why Att?

I feel like int/ any not Str

[vapid canopy]

I used INT/DEX

[near leaf]

Maybe Att is the easiest thing to mitigate

[vapid canopy]

also extra damage

while being a lower penalty

and I'm mainly stacking STR

[near leaf]

Whats the upside of Apathy

[vapid canopy]

so attunement is welcomed

[near leaf]

Oh right, it's just for the extra +X attunement

I though Apathy was doing smth good for the build

[vapid canopy]

since I got this, gonna revisit the build

it was fairly strong already

god damn

hits like a truck

and using apathy seems good

[near leaf]

I guess it make you tankier on the Void, necro, psn side

[vapid canopy]

yep

and not using VIT conversion frees up idol slots, that you can use with 2% boss damage needles

got a fitting corruption 😄

[sly bobcat]

i just got reminded, last night a guy in US West general chat was trash talking lizardirl for "stealing" the shatter totem build from bilibili. "The chinese figured it out first"

I'm just thinkin "But our resident metaslave figured it out before the season started"

[sly bobcat]

hasn't shatter totem been a thing for a long time and it's just laup's path gave it way more consistency?

[sly bobcat]

look you can't just go posting numbers like that. that's disgusting

reminder that red ring's requirement of 120 was intended to be difficult to reach

[near leaf]

180

[near leaf]

Do you want the short history or the full on documentary?

[sly bobcat]

honestly thought it was 120 with how easy it is to turn on tbh

[near leaf]

Nowadays yeah

[sly bobcat]

can i get the 15 min 2-part tv special

[near leaf]

This is the first time I heard about it

We used Rules of the Simoon to get a Tornado to procc our totems

[sly bobcat]

truly esoteric tech

that's like layers on layers of procs lol

i figured it was manual cast upheavals and totem-on-hit idols

[near leaf]

I gave it a good try in 1.2

With Seed + Palarus + blood mage

1.3 the build was dead because they nerf the Totem idols

And then we got laup

[sly bobcat]

RIP

phys soul feast is gonna slap so hard when 1.5 comes around

mike fixed the bug and they're gonna add a new unique that says "Soul Feast kills everything"

the end

it'll basically be Laup's Path for acolyte

[near leaf]

How does that work?

[high stratus]

it works really well in @sly bobcat's dreams

[near leaf]

I have never played Acolyte

So I have no idea what soul feast even does

[sly bobcat]

Nonjokingly, wheel of torment automatically applies torment for you in essentially a 2-screen AoE, and you just spam soul feast. Incision node has the same scaling ratio as chaos bolts for bleeds, torment spreads bleeds, bleed gloves convert the soul feast 3% damned chance per int into bleed

[near leaf]

17 mana
250 ADE
And 2 more dmg nodes
I recognise EHG design here

[sly bobcat]

realistically it probably needs a little bit more for single target. I've been supplementing with profane form for tanky mobs

[sly bobcat]

yeah the hit is completely irrelevant lol. it has horrendous scaling

[high stratus]

one of them hit only on a skill clearly intended for ailments

[sly bobcat]

we can't all be tempest strike now. some skills have to settle for only two ways to scale it

instead of 0

[near leaf]

[sly bobcat]

unrelated but it always trips me out seeing french randomly like that since I have 0 interaction with it in my every day life outside of learning it

i'm at least getting to the point that my brain just swaps to french mode when reading simple phrases like that and I don't translate it in my head first

[sly bobcat]

next season should be in June/July right? that's when I should expect my tempest strike build to be good?

[high stratus]

Tempest Strike has a lot of more damage nodes in its tree, must be good

[sly bobcat]

TRU

[fierce garnet]

This year?

[sly bobcat]

no last year obviously

[near leaf]

It has a lot of nodes, and their combined value is what falconer get for 1 pt

[high stratus]

dont bring your french witchcraft into this unga bunga #🐺┃primalist realm, lots of things say tempest strike deals more damage so it deals a lot of damage okay

[near leaf]

Pov playing Tempest Strike

Gotta wait for the 4th rework

[high stratus]

a french optimist, whatever next

[sly bobcat]

I really don't mind the overall design of tempest strike. it's cool that you can, in theory, specialize it into each of the different elements

they just really need to fix the actual multipliers

[high stratus]

3% per point is plenty, don't be greedy

[sly bobcat]

also part of it being DoT wouldn't be so bad if DoT had an actual equivalent to crit multi

we need an angry emote in here

[high stratus]

something like this beauty

[sly bobcat]

I was thinking of doing the same thing but with the bee

we also still don't have our new-skill icon for a big brain

[high stratus]

angry grole would work

[sly bobcat]

groles can't be angry

they're pure and innocent

would need to be a void grole

[vapid canopy]

By design I love tempest strike but yeah

Tried some stuff with it, brutality/att stacking

Hit like 2m.per hit with max mana cost

Was almost better to just use swipe

[sly bobcat]

the skill itself just doesn't do any damage no matter how you spec it. it's a glorified proc source

[vapid canopy]

Yeah it's a shame

And I really like thunder tempest

Hope it gets a rework similar to a skill design like Flay

That you can pop sub skill spells that also deal damage

With a focus on the tempests themselves

I mean we can get 200 flat spell on a helmet

And shit does nothing

[sly bobcat]

I think I'd prefer if they kept it to itself just because I don't like it when the only way to play with a skill is by proccing it

like if they take the tornadoes away from my tempest strike build but make the wind tempest actually more than a light breeze I'll be fine with that

before the marrow shards rework this patch, it was basically Flay or bust due to how Flay interacted with spells that it procced

I still did cold self cast just because i like the animation, but it was just objectively worse than playing Flay

[patent dock]

Thunder tempest is probably the best one of the bunch, at least

not that that is saying much

[winter ingot]

Hrm, does brutality buff the tempests? I saw something about it working in spell subskills of melee attacks

[sly bobcat]

yeah it does

but tempest strike doesn't have much of a mana cost if you want to be able to actually spam it

[patent dock]

Okay so now that upheaval is decent, are we all ready for fire upheaval coming soon™️?

[sly bobcat]

just in time for the fire bugman unique

[high stratus]

hopefully someone will say that it would be treading on fire EQ's toes... A fire upheaval unique being basically the only item support upheaval has would be funny though

[worthy jungle]

Can you change your action bar skills in shapeshifted forms? I'm trying to figure out how the Maxroll Primalist leveling guide works. Is Spriggan form just something you activate as a buff after dropping totems?

[trim folio]

Yes. You are limited to the skill tied the form but you can assign your skill in anywhere as an hotkey.

[patent dock]

It does have a lightning unique already tbf

[raven sluice]

I think TS should cast a tempest every hit unless you inactivate all 3. And then allow the nodes that give a chance to make an extra tempest work on all attacks. So if you're actually only playing wind tempest, you can have a guaranteed wind tempest every strike and 40% chance for an extra. Plus if you want 40% chance for any of the other two tempests as well if you have the points or something. Then dmg and AoE in a suitable place and I would really like the skill

Give cold more projectiles maybe

Since it's not AoE

[patent dock]

Yeah, tbh it needs quite a bit of work

[high stratus]

true enough, it's very difficult to make good use of tho

[patent dock]

Yeah, pretty much all it does for now is have those exclusive converts for upheaval and EQ

[high stratus]

I think the chavalanche storm stacks thing would work and you'd be able to make the mana work without LL apathy but the damage isn't insane, upheaval is basically only there to trigger EQ for less mana, it's slow despite the great AOE and it's so many skills specialised to achieve a neat interaction that isn't really worth the effort in the end

plus you just don't generate storm stacks that fast with chavalanche

so you need at least 2 less frequency of storm stacks idols

[patent dock]

Yeah, and the annoying part too that avalanche just can't be the same damage type as EQ ever, so you are always split type to an extent

Classic shaman

[strong saffron]

Tips for making a build around herald of the Scurry?

[near leaf]

Choose between hit or Crit

Go beastmaster

[open ravine]

go 4 squirrels instead of 12

[strong saffron]

Diversify the companions then?

[open ravine]

no you take solo companion nodes and the free wolf in the skill tree, this gives you 2 wolves, which is 4 squirrels and all of them get the solo companion node bonuses

[high stratus]

I also can't imagine making it smoother or more consistent than just playing 2s cooldown self cast triple slam

[strong saffron]

Alright I'm definitely going to do that

Would, The Land Before (relic) be useful for this?

[high stratus]

no

[strong saffron]

Thanks

[high stratus]

if solo companion buffs scaled with max companions...

[sly bobcat]

aight I'm stumped here. what's supposed to be the difference between hit and crit

did you mean bleed or crit

[near leaf]

Bleed or crit yeah

Sorry

[high stratus]

using singularity or having a good build

[sly bobcat]

singularity should be a roll from 20% to 40%

then it might actually compete with crit, maybe

the opportunity cost of a single idol slot isn't all that big, and it would free up a ton of affixes not having to gear for crit

[near leaf]

No one tried it but maybe you can stack corrupted singularity

[sly bobcat]

but it would be mathematically worse than most crit builds

[sly bobcat]

honestly, it probably works since it worked for frogs

but it's possible that the change they made with the frog idol was a blanket unique idol change

i just got the urge to paint again. i wanna paint some LE models

werebear could be fun