💬┃general

[surreal onyx]

im sorry this happend to you or im happy for you!

[coral vector]

Case and point it’s over

[toxic fossil]

ok, thx

[autumn kindle]

People complaining about p2w, never played p2w games

[stray vector]

but what exactly do you mean "bad"?

[coral elm]

They are pushing it out to March???? When last season was in August????? Holy

[tardy island]

Did I just see MARCH? wtf.... seriously? what the hell they doing over there..... Even with Kraftons money they cant keep a relatively consistent schedule? No thank you.

[simple bison]

They never said it was coming with season 4, so I have no clue why you or anyone else made that assumption

[fallow sleet]

I... honestly do not. They didn't abandon the game because they weren't going hard on the game from the start.

[flint night]

think one problem will be LE trying to wedge themselves into league launch space between Diablo and PoE releases

[half wind]

MARCH 26TH hahaha holy cow

[untold skiff]

Paradox is the new bonk knight from S2 ?

[night marten]

the conversation i was replying to which you ahve jumped in the middle of were things years before krafton. so the fact you even brought them up tells me you dont have the context needed for the conversation

[fallow sleet]

Also here's a tip. Do not believe every PR from any dev ever.

[sour idol]

March sounds like a poe1 season ...

[calm jay]

I come from pserver P2W, which was literally "donate to the server, receive an item far beyond anything otherwise in-game"

[glass pendant]

How many people respecced when noobzor uploaded the vid of afking on top of uber's floor vomit? How is a strong upcoming class changing anything about the rest of the game

[shell valve]

P2w or not a paywall on an unfinished game = trash game

[night marten]

poe1 should be feb

[ember panther]

i'd love to know what the people crying about p2w think the new classes are going to look like
there's no way you aren't going to be able to compete with them on a void knight or pally meta build

[autumn kindle]

Why you here then?

[uncut egret]

With everyone flipping out about the paid non-mtx content, I wonder, would you have preferred the game just shut down?

[surreal onyx]

it will be around a poe2 season again its about 4 months from now

[ember condor]

Just because other games have more predatory monetization, doesn't make the promises not to do this to LE, or the fact it IS P2W not true.

[muted wharf]

game is realeased

[coral vector]

Funds for entertainment are likely to be less available moving through 2026 and the historic precedent for all game company buyouts is total failure pair that with an already poor reception on the release windows and I highly doubt Last Epoch will beat the trend

[jade flint]

Yes

[normal hound]

Yeah it’s a good idea at first but I think it’s far too ambitious I mean he’ll Diablo 4 can’t even pull off good seasons and they are run by a multi billion dollar company and GGG is just an exception to the rule.

I want LE to succeed but I don’t think them sticking to the model will get them across that line.

[night marten]

4 months from dec is april, not march

[autumn kindle]

Poe is p2w too yet noone cries lol

[untold skiff]

Ye for sure. I'll give em the benefit of the doubt this time. I hope they use it well. Will see what it looks like on release.

[ember panther]

yes, i've seen people unironically claiming that EHG should have just fallen on their swords

[glass pendant]

To me this is just an indication of inexperience with the gameplay honestly

[uncut egret]

I hope to god you're never in any sort of decision making position for... anything

[shell valve]

Trying to get banned. I heard the mods censor people shitting on the game

[surreal onyx]

if you count december its march no?

[late bramble]

damn

[tardy island]

Well game was sorta fun, but the inconsistency, no thank you. Good luck all, have fun...

[next cairn]

Releasing in end of march feels weird tho. If poe2 is on schedule, they should have 0.5 at the same moment.

[late bramble]

march for new season is crazy

[median perch]

Hype

[muted wharf]

do not exclude december, it's only 9th

[fallow sleet]

Respect.

[sour idol]

Yup, around 4 months seems right

[glad dawn]

Don't worry they can always delay the season and try beat their previous historical 9month long season.

[autumn kindle]

D4 could also have a nee season in march

[abstract badger]

Well, they do get butthurt over clown emojis, so ....

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, but LE league will be so good that we don't care about competition

[flint night]

then again since its labeled as "early access", and you only need to buy it once and thats it for new content

[ember condor]

I've loudly complained about PoE, actually — and it doesn't lock power behind a paywall

[surreal onyx]

im assuming poe2 will be early april

[night marten]

jan 9 1 month. feb 2 months. march 3 months. april 4 months. how is this hard?

[primal island]

" hey guys we gonna release a new paid expansion" thats the information we had

[stray vector]

hmmm...but that seems to be nothing but speculation 🤔

[calm jay]

Oh no, not Blizzard making content. Whatever will we do. Won't somebody please think of the childsrens.

[crisp sandal]

Didn't say say in writing after the last 9 month wait that they were gonna be able to stick to 4 month cycles. What happened there

[misty flame]

And they have vacations lol

[night marten]

jan 9 1 month. feb 2 months. march 3 months. april 4 months. how is this hard?

[next cairn]

Hopefully. Or it could also be LE S3 vs PoE 0.3 all over again

[autumn kindle]

Im talking about stashtabs

[untold skiff]

Go look at D4 playerbase vs LE. It's much much larger. Not saying it's a better game but they know how to pull people in, even though it cost them their identity

[fallow sleet]

Have you tried committing a bannable offense?

[autumn kindle]

Dude diablo is the biggest name in arpg

[glass pendant]

"content" might be an overstatement here

[sterile mauve]

They didn't give an ETA on season 4 did they? Or did I miss it in the post?

[late bramble]

didnt blizzard fire bunch people

[flint night]

good use of microtransactions for QoL for sure on their part

[next cairn]

Though I liked the market way more in S3, so less players might not be a bad thing for me

[ember condor]

I just think in the battle of Microsoft/Activision vs Tencent vs Krafton — the real loser is the consumer.

[sour idol]

They did, March

[wind nacelle]

as is in Last Epoch

[simple bison]

Untrue. They also literally clarified that it wasn't with around or in season 4

[surreal onyx]

jan 9? whats happening on jan 9

[night marten]

the said an exact date in the post multiple times. lol

[night hare]

March?

[wispy mantle]

Lmao new roadmap is a bloody joke this game sold out big and is on life support now 🤣

[night marten]

nothing..but that is how you count months to something.

[calm jay]

I think most of what Blizz pushes nowadays is dubiously "content," but I suppose I'm not their target audience anymore either

[misty flame]

Not just march late March

[glass pendant]

I'm a little too desensitized to bait but props I guess

[sterile mauve]

Oh lmfao reading is hard. I only read the first half about S4

[fallow sleet]

Oh

[glass pendant]

placing the entire rotation on autoplay was what had me rolling

[flint night]

I mean, either company can just change their timeframe, like diablo did to LE this season; launched on original LE date before LE pushed it back

[autumn kindle]

D4 best arpg on the market

[fallow sleet]

Fire Shaman is going to be real.

[surreal onyx]

yhea so april 12 would be 4 months

[late bramble]

d4 is same shit every season]

[acoustic palm]

I mean, with all due respect, this adds nothing more to do in end game, sure it's more mobs, but you still gonna finish LE in one week/ 3 days if tryhard

[coral vector]

I mean… what’s the counter argument? I have every gaming buyout in the last decade and the current state of this market as well as the initial reaction shown here. Do you want to turn this into a bet on Kalshi or something? I think they do things like that I very easily will put money on this my confidence is extremely high

[tulip orbit]

Everyone likes to get paid more for their work, but they don't like paying for others'work... They think companies are charitable organisations and their staff will be paid with chocolates and candies...

[autumn kindle]

Cant wait to swipe 100 for the new expansion in few days

[late bramble]

there going backwards with there stupid shit and trying mimick poe

[normal hound]

D4 I think is only successful because of its IP. Their seasonal content is on par with LE in terms of content if not less. If LE did half the stuff D4 did theyd have sunk fully by now.

I think the best example is like Elder Scrolls Online. It’s a pretty terrible MMO but it’s only successful because of the IP

[calm jay]

I'm sorry for your loss

[night marten]

yes. which is not march, like you said at the start. lol

[untold skiff]

Still if the game was shit people wouldn't play it. S10 was a blast tbh. Even if it only lasted a week it was still fun. And that's what D4 is too me now. Week of blasting screens of stuff for a few days then move on.

[sterile mauve]

Aaaand now I see it was literally in like the second paragraph lol. That's what I get for skimming

[gritty helm]

dear lord, and here I thought I'd avoid playing Rogue yet again

[flint night]

rumors they releasing a paladin

[wispy mantle]

Cycle 1: 4 months, 19 days
cycle 2: 9 months, 12 days
Cycle 3: 4 months, 6 days
Cycle 4: 7 months, 5 days

IDK what they're thinking with a release schedule this messy, a semblance of consistent releases is a must if you want returning players lmaoooo

[night marten]

and a few other places too 😉

[primal island]

exactly, if you read carefuly it says orobys exapnsion is not season 4, so s4 and orobys exp are diferent content, so we thought so double content in a single season or a off season content drop, "there will be multiple seasons before ps5 launch of orobys exp" which has nothing todo with pc, this might just mean it comes to ps5 latter on,

[surreal onyx]

okay xd but what i mean is that end march and early april are still close to eachother yes? so its still gonan be somewhat of an issue

[jade flint]

Jan 9 1month. Feb 9 2months. March 9 3months. March 26th 3 month 17days which is closer to 4 months than 3 months if you round it. How is this hard?

[autumn kindle]

I have the most fun in d4 compared to all arpgs, also paladin coming probably this season

[dusk crater]

March 26 hahahahah

[acoustic palm]

We are getting new players, these old ones are toxic as you can see. Players are the problem

[calm jay]

I think it's just burning extra for folks because it's following what amounted to more bad news for most people.

[wispy mantle]

Sure defend a release cycle this messy lol if you go down the seasons route you can’t do stuff like this

[stiff raft]

March 26... are we talking 2026? just to be sure at this point. 👎

[simple bison]

"There will be multiple seasonal releases (seasons) before last epoch comes to Playstation 5 with the orobyss (expansion) launch". How can this be confused as saying it's coming at the same time as season 4 xd. I'm sorry I just don't agree at all with your assertion

[glass pendant]

I'm of the opinion (have been since day 1 of the announcement) that what should've been paid is the expansion rather that what they ended up deciding to do. In the grand scheme I think a paid class affects absolutely nothing, and it's more sustainable to lock future classes behind paywalls rather than expansions. However I still stand by the fact that paying for ingame content is the most noble thing to do, I find it crazy that people were against it to begin with

[wispy mantle]

Honestly don’t do seasons if you can’t deliver seasons this is a joke at this point

The pace for new content or updates is crazy slow. Poe2 is pumping out an entire years worth of LE development every 3 months. I know it’s a much bigger company but man it’s like LE can’t decide on what to do next and keeps wasting time on stuff

[primal island]

because this says ps5 orobys expansion comes to ps5 after multiple pc seasons, this does not say a single hint about when orobys exp comes to pc

[acoustic palm]

I don't defend it, I already said that this adds nothing to LE end game and we will still be done with the game in 1 week. Most people will move to Poe 2 as it will be right that month too

[fallow sleet]

It's almost like GGG has magnitudes more employees.

[sour idol]

I agree with the no season. It's not working now, maybe eventually it will get into a state where season will work well, but that time is not now

[autumn kindle]

Do u think people play more tha a week poe2?

[wicked violet]

@simple bison look your fave

We’ll share more changes to Spellblade in upcoming posts, including improvements and ways to gain Fire Aura!

[simple bison]

All content comes out everywhere at the same time, there's no reason not to think that, you're making like 3 assumptions and blaming it on them not being hyper specific xd

[simple bison]

yeppers

[primal island]

but thats not me, its mee all my friends on discord, and a lot of streamers and their chat i was participating of the discussion with at the moment of the post

[fallow sleet]

Fire Aura enjoyer here.

[flint night]

prob not as much as last league, since we arent really getting any endgame content

[autumn kindle]

Also new season from poe2 will be trash

[jade flint]

They did more with less btw in beginning

[next cairn]

Isnt it kinda fair to expect EHG to do the same after the Krafton purchase

[wispy mantle]

Anyway game is on life support and prob will be for a long time its sadge

[coarse swallow]

To confirm: is you feedback that we shouldn't have any progress or economy resets, or rather that you feel like content does not meet what you feel is a "season"?

[acoustic palm]

LE, not Poe 2

[glass pendant]

A couple of days ago poe1 had 60k concurrent, while poe2 had 30k. Diablo 4 was under 10k. It's cool to have favorites, I do too. But arguing against numbers is a little silly

[autumn kindle]

Im saying in general, most ppl quit in the first week w/e arpg game is

[ember panther]

not within a few days of the acquisition, no. lol

[fallow sleet]

Not... Really? Not necessarily anyway? Only maybe.

[ember condor]

Like I said, kill seasons. The pace is just abysmal and inconsistent.

Sell expansions instead, like with Grim Dawn.

Open up modding, let the community host seasons. Project Diablo 2 proves the community can make great content when incentivized.

[wispy mantle]

Yeah don’t do seasons if you can’t deliver them consistently? It’s pretty straight forward

[autumn kindle]

Pd2 is goated man

[acoustic palm]

Poe 2 just released their patch notes if you wanna see a 2 month cycle vs a 7 months cycle, on same employees numbers

[calm jay]

This is just par for the course now. We need to stop ignoring the fact that that's tons of live service gaming, especially in RPGs, MMO and action alike. Lots of players snowbird games, they come in for the fresh content update, crash through it in like 6 days, and then they're off. We need to stop pretending this isn't just the new normal, and we need to stop thinking we can somehow design against it and convince people they're gonna find a 'forever' game. They don't. They never do. People drift from patch to patch, expac to expac, we see it everywhere. And then headlines are like "game lost 90% of players." Yeah. They all do. They all did. It's how it works now.

[primal island]

ill make a better clarification text" s4 and orobys exp are not the same thing and will come in diferent dates, orobys exp will come after multiple expansions so expect it on a latter date" shorter and more coherent

[coral vector]

Perhaps that means they shouldn’t have tried to compete with those release windows. You do know a company doesn’t just sell off because things are going as planned right? Clearly there is issues I mean they’ve alluded to them here already

[stray vector]

what are the employee numbers?

[simple bison]

That's fair. for me it never even crossed my mind that it was coming with season 4 and everyone I talked to ( a lot of people ) thought the same thing as me, that it was gonna be at least a year away. I'm not sure how you, the streamers you watch or their chats came to the conclusion that it was announced as coming around the same time as season 4 but you were simply mistaken.

[coarse swallow]

This is actually good feedback, D2 is well known for doing seasonal resets regardless of changes - so knowing community opinion is important here.

[fallow sleet]

I mean, some things just kinda go the way they go. What can we do about it?

[night marten]

poe2 didnt have a 2 month cycle, and they have more employees with considerably longer experience. hardly a fair comparison at all.

[acoustic palm]

Around 150-200 for both games, using LinkedIn that gives a range and not an exact number

[coral vector]

Well we don’t have to sugarcoat it for one

[autumn kindle]

I just want reset in economy, even if there isnt much more content, im still gonna roll a new char

[fallow sleet]

And honestly, I actually would not mind if you did "empty" seasonal resets. Not sure about other people, but I personally wouldn't.

[night marten]

LE is not that high on employees

[indigo cloud]

I think the game is neat and I just want it to do well

[ember condor]

Been loving it, despite the fact D2 is a bit clunky by modern standards.

[ember panther]

EHG have around 90 employees iirc

[stray vector]

linkedin...hmmm...

[wispy mantle]

I’d rather you did more endgame content then somewhat empty season’s inconsistently

[simple bison]

EHG is a little over 100 now iirc

[next cairn]

If you guys have scrapped ideas, you could sometimes introduce it as a test in mid season reset too

[sour idol]

I like the idea of seasons, but I think if the break is going to be this long, I think maybe pick a fixed period of time for resets

[fallow sleet]

Just don't spring them on us like you did with that mini reset a year ago.

[acoustic palm]

Don't trust me, check LinkedIn.

[sour idol]

If a planned "season feature" is available, include it in the next reset

[chilly ember]

6 month seasons with a reset halfway through would be a good reasonable balance and give players like myself a reason to hop back in

[coral vector]

It’s going to be easier for him to just try and invalidate the source despite it being a fair one

[coarse swallow]

Out of personal curiosity, and of course not just a question to yourself: How would you feel if we did a purely economy/progress restart in the middle of what we know would be a longer development cycle?

[ashen raptor]

I found the whole game to be trash lol

[naive wadi]

✅

[ember panther]

https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/432925-39

[glass pendant]

Until the game piles up content with actual weight (rather than yet one more clickable icon inside the echo map), a seasonal reset serves as an economy reset, and a "start from zero" for cof. Otherwise there's nothing tangible to push for rather than the singular strong boss in the game. Everything else is a number scaling deal. That said, even if the situation stayed as is, an economy reset is imo a great reason for a seasonal reset alone

[signal mica]

March?

[stray vector]

there are a lot of hobby-economists around here as it seems

[zinc blaze]

wait spellblade is getting updated o.0, thats illegal

[night marten]

obviously pitchforks like last halloweens eco reset

[fallow sleet]

My answer: Give us a heads up. Like, months in advance please. Otherwise, sure go for it.

[night marten]

shhhh

[signal mica]

Did I read new season is in March?

[sour idol]

I'm actually good with that. It's not like standard is bad for COF either

[autumn kindle]

I think the least you should do is some balance changes

[naive wadi]

Maybe Poll it and see what your community things overall.

[night marten]

yes

[jade flint]

Only a good thing, gives people an opportunity to race or speedrun, don’t see a single downside tbh

[zinc blaze]

[signal mica]

O Lord have mercy

[simple bison]

I wouldn't mind personally

[coarse swallow]

haha, yes, we certainly did recieve the pitchforks with immortal uprising.

[undone ginkgo]

I do hope you aren't taking single players who have PoE t-shirts in the profile picture seriously here. Obviously one person doesn't speak for an entire community, myself included.

[simple bison]

as long as it's properly communicated when it's happening

[viral halo]

Damn... i come back from work and iam now seeing this much of new infos...
I was on the side of "get me the infos when we get close to it", i wouldn't have needed them now, but i take it.^^

S4 looks very interesting for me. I really like the visuals of the crystal thingy, the new Rune looks awesome, espacially, that it also works with uniques...

AND... Season release happens around my birthday... i will suck every possible minute out of it. xD

[night marten]

i mean at this point all you guys get is pitchforks. so do whatever makes yall happy. lol

[fallow sleet]

You announced that one barely a month in advance which made me salty, yes.

[ember condor]

If you guys can do a fun "twist" on the formula for the reset, I'm game. The one a year-ish ago was fine. It needs something more than a new season number for me, though.

[autumn kindle]

Poe players are the most delusional fanbase i have ever seen, and I though moba players are the worst, boy was i wrong

[simple bison]

I think a lot of people didn't like the mid cycle reset because it kinda caught everyone off-guard and was announced just a little bit before it was happening, If everyone knew it was happening when the season first came out I don't think almost anyone would mind

[glass pendant]

They're also detaching bladestorm from umbral blades. I think this is a headshot for current falconers which is hilarious to me (I think flask is also dead after this season)

I'm more interested in what changes about current rogue moving forward rather than the new skill

[regal yoke]

4 months until season 4 is that correct?

[coarse swallow]

Because of how longer development cycles happen, It's hard to say at the start. Do you think there's a certain timeframe for forewarning that would have made it feel better?

[viral halo]

roughly yes

[night marten]

more or less. march 26th

[flint night]

From NeverSink

• Release in march? I really think LE needs a strict season timeline.
• I think a lot of damage could've been prevented by announcing this together with the monetization change.

[regal yoke]

Dang

[night marten]

yes and yes

[fallow sleet]

For me, more than two months.

[sour idol]

I think 2 months is good for a reset period, it gives a bit of time to reach monoliths

[simple bison]

I think 90-120 days from season launch is solid honestly. I think by then most people would have time to play at least one character to satisfaction and might wait for the reset instead of starting a new one right away

[autumn briar]

does neversink play LE?

[autumn kindle]

They shouldnt announe date yet, you need to time it so you dont release weeks within poe, d4 seasons

[viral halo]

100% agree

[brittle hollow]

Sad about the March release… did not expect that at all. Content looks okay, but I want to see these time windows.. looks like another rift beast mechanic… and those new runes… they need to offer really good rewards when they don’t brick items

[wicked violet]

Expectation. If you did longer cycles it would make sense to try and time an event or mid cycle balance/reset in between with consistency

[night marten]

if poe stays on schedule. poe2 dec, poe1 feb, poe2 april

[simple bison]

Yeah, if we're getting 2 seasons per year I think having a reset in the middle of each would be nice

[coarse swallow]

I can't/wont say too much, but events are more than on our radar 😉

[simple bison]

If they can come with events or challenges or something that'd be extra dope

[autumn kindle]

Yes but what about d4

[simple bison]

even if they dont' add new content

[tulip orbit]

Honestly LE and Grim Dawn are the hopes of arpgs. Though they have a different marketing approach.

[regal yoke]

Is end game content not being added until season 5?

[stable forum]

yeah, there's also a post on the forums specifically talking about more coordination with POE for this

[night marten]

they are in dec too...so 4 months is also april?

[flint night]

like poe did with kingsmarch, they had a reset economy

[jade flint]

Feedback: have you considered what GGG did when they started delaying seasons? They now have set times for seasons and whatever is done is done and gets shipped instead of delaying and waiting too long.

[jade hawk]

I think I'm ok with longer seasons. Like 6 months. But I'd want to see somekind of mid season reset with an event. That would help so much. But season 4 looks great!

[autumn briar]

d4 most likely march.

[mossy furnace]

dont just reset tho, spend one a week to do something wacky like Phrecia cause it doesnt matter anyway. all it takes for the fanbase to be happy

[autumn kindle]

D4 does 2 3 month seasons

[wicked violet]

Yeah longer 6 month cycles would be fine with events & small balance patches for meta shake up in the middle would be ideal until you found a good footing for cadence.

[glass pendant]

I don't know how I feel about two parts to a season, but I do see the upsides

[night marten]

yeah. they seem to have their schedule sorted, so,

[calm zodiac]

Dang march welp

[viral halo]

I guess, they had to get in line within their new company structure and their new team additions, that they take a bit more time now. Also, the amount of content that is in the pipeline is a reason for another long season i guess.

But hey... if it works out, everything is fine.

[undone ginkgo]

Counterpoint: why does every company have to copy what other companies do? Why can't devs/companies be different?

[night marten]

if its 3 months...early march wouldnt effect LE too much

[calm zodiac]

New content looks very nice tho, hopefully it goes well.

[rocky niche]

So, how do you guys feel about the actual changes?

[jade flint]

Its a suggestion to fix their delay issues… what they are doing now is bad?

[pearl orbit]

breach is good

[autumn kindle]

The biggest thing that bothers me in last epoch is the lack od pinnacle bosses.

[rocky niche]

I liked the Rogue new skill.

[tough sierra]

Thanks for the transparency and communication, EHG. Looking forward to March! 🙂

[opal compass]

Ouuuf a late march update an the league mechanic sounds a little in the weaker side :/

[night marten]

the mechanic looks good and isnt just a one boss thing so it'll prolly go over well

[simple bison]

I'm just happy about spellblade changes :P

[undone ginkgo]

What exactly is bad? And that's your opinion, which your stating as an objective fact (when it's clearly subjective)

[rocky niche]

And bladestorm being a separated skill was something requested by many

[glass pendant]

If you detach yourself from your market's rest of the ecosystem, you're debuffing your own chances for success. A good businessman never stops looking over their counter

[muted cape]

Yo cyborg gonna main fire aura Hype

[night marten]

how on earth can you make a opinion about strong or weak on that little blurb about it?

[rocky niche]

Im happy too. Hope theres way more tho. Spellblade have so many anti-synergy with it own skills and the spells. I hope the Mastery passive bonus change makes it good to use spells now

[jade flint]

The release times? What are you on about bro? Literally EHG employees are agreeing their cycle release schedule is bad?

[simple bison]

Life finds a way

[opal compass]

Didn’t mention any changes to the main game cycle or end game? Did I miss something?

[viral marsh]

Breach seems nice, I just hope you can juice it up, unlikely but not impossible. 🤞

[undone ginkgo]

I never said the cycle release was perfect, but you're over here suggesting that they have to mirror GGG's release schedule or something, as if somehow different release cadences can't exist for different companies/games.

[indigo cloud]

nintendo over in the corner by themselves continuing to ignore everything and succeeding anyway

[night marten]

holy crap is Jeff Goldblum in disguise

[gritty helm]

End of march is definitely too late welp

[gleaming wind]

when ss4 ?

[rocky niche]

Looks like our juicing on season 4 will be Echo linking

[jade flint]

It was a suggestion to a fix, they dont have to do it

[opaque perch]

Maybe they could do a season reset and drop some new mtx when they do the soft resets. I've wanted to buy some good looking stuff. But it's hard to find anything I like.

[glass pendant]

Introducing an outlier in a conversation about the norm looks rather motivated doesn't it? Let alone the fact that Mario Kart World is not a "threat" to arpgs

[toxic fossil]

april

[night marten]

they had about 5 things that were "we will tell you more later" clearly having more things coming later. making an opinion with scraps of info is terrible

[simple bison]

Yeah I think that'd be best

[night marten]

march 26th

[indigo cloud]

i thought it was funny

[muted cape]

@burnt reef hyped for the vid drop soon tm 🔥

[coral vector]

If I had to give actual advice I’d say work on a more cohesive art style and better cosmetics…

[coarse swallow]

I want to comment on this: we currently don't have the built up systems or processes to produce the same amount of content as other studios within the same timeframe. With 1.3 we found there is a 'minimum' amount of content that needs to be met, regardless of timeframe. So currently, we need a bit more time to meet that, and will continue working on the speed.

[opal compass]

Right so based on the limited info, it isn’t very compelling right? Is that not fair?

I sort of expect the biggest info first? :p

[calm zodiac]

Personally i love every change, every league mechanic on both s4 and 5, its lots of cool stuff, genuinely, but man, i was so happy reading until i saw march, i was expecting january wich would already be a hella long time, feb at worse wich would be even longer, but man, march is so long for now that i'm not sure how well will the whole thing go, theres only so long ppl wait.
Specially with the whole thing about paid classes not going too well.

[jade flint]

Okay 👍

[opaque perch]

I think so too. Drop a nice batch of some cool stuff maybe a a supporter pack if you want it all then do a reset.

[night marten]

but making a decision that its weak knowing you dont have the info is hardly accurate

[glass pendant]

Are you guys comfortable discussing anything related to the studio's growth after the hiring endeavors post merge? Last I heard about this was Derrick mentioning hitting the 100 employee mark, so I was wondering. It's fine if it's too private

[simple bison]

Imo if it could come with an event like challenges or a race or something for some cosmetics or a title or something that'd be dope

[fallow sleet]

I am going to be honest, not sure what happened, but there is less salt now than there was 45 minutes ago. Instead I am seeing what kinda looks like... A constructive conversation? About how to improve things?

[calm zodiac]

I think the biggest thing, is not about how long it takes, its about having a certain schedule, like, wanna do a league every year, every 6 months etc etc, thats 100% fine, it really is, but it needs to be a steady schedule so people know when and what to look forward to.

[night marten]

well there is an active EHG person asking questions. which helps keep things civil, and helps keep things constructive

[coral vector]

Everyone got an @ for a release window that deviates heavily from expectations. Regardless of what the reason or how valid it was going to be like that

[jade coral]

The point is that you are the ones who proposed this 4-month interval, no one forced you to do it, I don't understand the context of this discussion.

[calm zodiac]

On that note, having something like league resets even without content every 2-3 months could be a healthy thing to keep us coming back and combat inflation.

[coral vector]

Just an unfortunate reality of this market

[coarse swallow]

I'm not sure, it depends on what details you want I suppose - I'm, not going to hand out peoples phone numbers, haha. We have been growing, and it has increased our capacity. The shear difference of efficiency and total production between when I joined 5 years ago and now is... a lot. But, recent hiring will take time to reflect in results.

[gritty helm]

not wrong, and they had the 4 month cycle (minus season 2 which was two seasons rolled together) and it didn't work

[fallow sleet]

It's less that there was salt, it's more that there is less of it now.

[opaque perch]

Yeah it doesn't have to be a huge new thing. Hell 2 months per drop sometimes could be quick and easy. Nothing that takes a whole lot of time to cook up.

[turbid silo]

We're still hiring and you can view all the openings on our careers page here.

[glass pendant]

Nothing too tangible, I just needed a vague nod as to whether the growth has been meeting your goal really. Which seems to be the case, which I'm happy for

[zinc blaze]

😭 the teased minion ignite armor can't go on forge guard

[coarse swallow]

We want to hit the turn around that the community wants. We tried that with 1.3, but we couldn't produce the 'minimum' content in that timeframe. So currently we need to continue improving that production speed, to hit both content and timeframe that the community wants. With the feedback of 1.3, we are prioritizing hitting that content.

[coral vector]

Is the art team expanding? Genuinely I’m someone who whales in games I’ll drop $60-$180 a league in POE but I’ve never felt drawn to the cosmetics of this game.

[calm zodiac]

Season 2 was great, if they deliver me a season 2 level league every 6 months, despite being sad waiting for so long, i'd be happy everytime i come in, genuinely so.
That said, it needs to be a more certain things.

[sour idol]

If it didn't require you to already have video game experience, I would have applied ...

[royal smelt]

genuinely curious when will other classes such as mage and other various classes will be getting some love soon. the rogue is good but i am curious as to whats going on with the other classes.

[jade flint]

Sadly you are not looking for data analysts

[misty flame]

If Said Every 6 months okay. But lie is not okay. You guys said at least every 4 months season will come

[zinc blaze]

spellblade is getting updated, thats still mage

[turbid silo]

Ugh, I wish we were! Just no need for them atm.

[muted cape]

In the past we have waited a year for patch for multi-player release, and 1.2 was second longest patch wait and it was well received even for it being a long time too

[gleaming wind]

7 month per SS ? SS3 release 21 aug 2025 SS4 release 26 mar 2026

[glass pendant]

Also I apologize if I made it sound like I was asking for people's backstories, I was just curious about the studio's workforce health 😭

[ember panther]

there's a spellblade update coming with the rogue update

[calm zodiac]

With that said, how big can we expect another season 2 level league in 1.4?

[night marten]

all classes get balance changes of some sort. they normally just highlight the biggest changes. mage also had its love like 2 seasons ago

[zinc blaze]

and honestly spellblade needs it, bro doesn't even have a regalia armor set for him

[gritty helm]

yeah, so the march date kind of makes sense. Hopefully season 5 will be a month faster with the bigger crew

[coarse swallow]

1.4 won't be to the same scale as 1.2. However we felt with the extension we could get enough content in to satisfy, and make it a patch that feels good.

[calm zodiac]

Yeah, regardless of waiting for long, if i get a season 2 every time i log in every 6 months or so lets say, i'll be happy to wait.
(As long as i don't get hit by a bus along the way hopefully)

[untold skiff]

Naw dude. Dota/Dota 2 I've been playing since 2008 and still play it weekly. That's how you make a forever game

[zinc blaze]

the ol bus rule strikes back

[fallow sleet]

It's also funny but it feels like the criticism actually does have more weight when delivered in a calm conversation.

[opaque perch]

I personally liked both released seasons. People want these seasons to just absolutely amazing every time. And that just isn't going to happen.

[turbid silo]

That's a completely different style of game with a different audience to please

[tough sierra]

The new people will take time to progress from Forming > Storming > Norming > Performing. It doesn't happen instantly. 🙂

[glass pendant]

To be fair 1.2 was too massive compared to how much game there was prior to it, again within the scope of what the studio could/can achieve in the unit of time. Granted, season 2 had plenty of time to develop all those mechanics compared to any other content drop and its respective timeframe

[gritty helm]

Warframe is a better example, but it took them a lot to get there

[night marten]

it does 100%

[calm jay]

Ah, that's round-based gameplay though, it's kind of different when 'the game' is in bursts by design like that, to spare a pedantic rant

[silver arrow]

Spell blade update poggers

[jade coral]

so it's normal to tell the public what they would like and then not deliver: it's one thing to say "we'd like to get to that specific timeframe", it's another thing to say "we'll put a season every 4 months" and then say "guys, we can't do it".

[coral vector]

Idk there’s plenty of angry gamers here

That’s like 90% of the moba audience

[calm zodiac]

I mean, thats an issue in general, jhonatam in today's interview got lots of flack in the stream chat due to poe 0.4, that happens.

[muted cape]

This actually pretty cool we now know what to expect well ahead of time. No more guessing

[turbid silo]

Our goal is to deliver an update worth of bringing people to play Last Epoch (new and old). If it takes us a bit longer to do that, we think it's best for the game.

[night marten]

some of us moba players are in recovery tho.

[royal smelt]

a good example of gaming systems. currently GGG is going to have poe2 season 3 with the druid class and of course incursion league (aka build a temple) but as far as interesting content its still the same. Endgame needs work. no game is perfect, but we still at least look forward to trying something new. i am excited to see what season 4 will bring. i just hope people will be willing to wait patiently and see.

[coral vector]

I got my two year chip 3 months ago

[main bough]

I don't normally comment, but I'm excited. Roadmap looks good, can't wait to see this stuff come out.

[coarse swallow]

I believe we've always framed 4 months as our 'goal' - though we certainly know that's not expectations that have been sent. As a CM I've actually been having a lot of conversations recently about expectations, and trying to make them match what we say vs. what gets said along the telephone. We feel you here, and we want to align expectations and delivery 100%.

[kind latch]

I'm bummed the next season's content will be protracted so far out, but I'm happy to least know a date and "plan" around that. With that much time, I'll be playing my mage again. Also happy to see EHG taking care of its baby. My only gripe is another goddamned currency system.

[turbid silo]

What are folks most excited for from the roadmap?

[glass pendant]

I saw the poe2 announcement and from an outsider's point of view, there was a lot of content related and player feedback implemenetation related announcements. I don't see what's there to hate about it

[jade coral]

man 4 month or 7 month, it0s like double the time, like skipping an entire season

[muted cape]

One word. "Yes"

[tough sierra]

All of it

[night marten]

honestly...s5 morditas and some of the xpac stuff. XD

[stable wolf]

Corruption tiers. Finally

[ember panther]

the on hit animations looks like it will make a really big difference to the feel of combat. looking forward to seeing that in game

[royal smelt]

new mechanics, and somethign interesting to make gear more meaningful

[undone ginkgo]

You aren't gonna convince people of this sadly. Someone made a reddit post a few weeks back regarding the steam stats of D4, LE, and PoE and how all 3 of them showed a similar playerbase drop-off rate/time frame regardless of the different end-game systems/content/etc. Players think that adding additional stuff is gonna keep them around longer, the truth is, it doesn't. It never does. Yet people think devs can engineer out human behavior.

The other ironic thing is ARPG's are effectively MMORPG's in a condensed format, if people want to grind for things for months and months, then they should go play an MMO, and stop trying to turn ARPG's into MMO's.

[opaque perch]

Did they release a new one today?

[simple bison]

Same

[night marten]

so far away tho. lol

[calm zodiac]

I honestly like everything on it, really really, everything in there is interesting in a way or another.

[stable wolf]

I waited 4 years

[gritty helm]

I think that's a correct approach, but I do hope the overall quality (as in variety and quality itself) of MTX will deliver as well.
S2 ones were a nice step up compared to relase and S1 personally

[glass pendant]

The "& more" part under the Pinnacle Bosses section. If you guys are gaslighting me into expecting more than one I will cry

[stable wolf]

I can wait 5 xddd

[heady night]

doesnt this kind of fall near poe2 0.5? if ggg is doing the 4 months thing

[untold skiff]

With no changes, my question is why ? If you did like a mid season balance patch then sure. Would be nice to try the underperforming classes, otherwise what's the point to grind the same content again if not trying a new build

[main bough]

Corrupting items looks really interesting. So much could be done with this.

[muted cape]

They did release an enormous road map today lol

[jade oxide]

it probably will be a list of qol changes, that's it

[sour idol]

Bladestorm looks so cool with the shruiken, I really like shruikens with rogue

[turbid silo]

Oh yes! Very much so 🙂

[coarse swallow]

As mentioned earlier, we tried this with Immortal uprising - we did not receive positive response.

[night marten]

poe2 should be in april, so, maybe if its early april

[glass pendant]

I'll be pretty sad if it's just uber orobyss I'm not gonna lie. it has to be uber morditas as well (personal copium)

[jade coral]

Liz like an Ent, time is an opinion

[rocky niche]

Rogue and Spellblade Changes. I hope for more shadow changes for all BladeDancer skills and full reworked marksman nodes. And spellblade 30% melee to spell flat is hopefully very significant

[ember panther]

yeah, i think this will probably be my season start build

[night marten]

morditas s5 ftw

[stable wolf]

Events should come with at least tittle rewards that people could chase for and collect

[simple bison]

Yeah titles, borders, pets, something

[turbid silo]

Ah yes, Shadow Rend is pretty slick

[muted cape]

Yeah like those legendary 50 players that have lore master badge

[untold skiff]

Ye he just mentioned a forever game not RPGs. So I responded. A good fun game will have folks coming back. Why is grim dawn still popular although it's old af now. Cause it's a fun game simple

[stable wolf]

Hc uber abby killer every patch tittle, i want

[turbid silo]

We're excited about exploring more community events in Season 4 and beyond

[glass pendant]

if it doesn't get an uber version into the expansion, it's gonna be unimpactful. it'll be yet one more pinata with a dedicated loot pool

[calm jay]

It's just sad that we seem very ardent in denying the snowbird nature of live service gaming now (again, re: rpgs-- BRs and MOBAs are on a different kinda style), even though time and time and time again we see this exact same pattern: people come in, hoover up the new content, and leave. The loyalists end up being about 10% of the playerbase. The problem is we still see it that way rather than calling the others a temporary 90% inflation, which is far far closer to the reality.

[sour idol]

I think the worst start I had was acolyte, everything else has generally been ok. Shruikens were really good since they really don't depend much on weapons. Fireball for mage is good the same way

[kind latch]

Not another set of currency lol. New Uber bosses, chained monos, and more loot filtering. Qol is my fave

[glass pendant]

I just want bosses man

[coarse swallow]

I can't say too much, and Derrick will probably slit my throat tomorrow for even saying this - but please tell us your wants for events and rewards! There's... things happening regarding community events.

[turbid silo]

Haha, not at all! Please do ask and share thoughts!

[calm jay]

An easy layman's example I can draw to this to parallel it is if all grocery stores et al based their numbers, hours allotted, etc etc based on Boxing Day or Black Friday numbers.

[maiden sky]

I am personally most excited to see the MG updates but a bit disappointed it’s not until season 5.
I would like to think there are a few things that would be great much sooner.

[glass pendant]

I've been begging for the title system to be utilized for things other than supporter packs and backers ever since probably cycle 1 version 2 electric boogaloo

[calm zodiac]

Races, boss rush, challenges, anything neat with a worthy reward for the efforth.

[kind latch]

I'm also excited to play with my friend thalandala and hope you can patch him yoo

[royal smelt]

since we are making suggestions, i would love to see somethign done for corruption levels for each class. like for example reach 1k corruption gain a title or at the least make an in game announcement for someone reaching it. nothing too crazy

[night marten]

#suggestions 😄

[maiden sky]

The power of friendship Baalz!!!

[glass pendant]

there's announcements for level caps, and first aberroth kill (both soft and hardcore)

[viral marsh]

Just give me Skill Sigils right now

[night marten]

#suggestions

[rocky niche]

Arena survival event with a levelcap/itemcap. Arquetype class races would do good

[grave magnet]

ALL HAIL BAALZ

[tough sierra]

Oooh yeah, can't wait to see how skill sigils are going to play out. 🙂

[glass pendant]

Wrong arpg

[calm jay]

I like the idea of community/group events and the like rewarding some cosmetics, event cosmetics can risk being pretty FOMO but I also think they can foster a greater interest in participation, and if their time is already rewarded it would be less risk of non-engagement.

[grave magnet]

Nu uh

[untold skiff]

Nerfs will never be taken positively. You gota give people candy with the medicine. Don't necessarily nerf something but bring other classes inline with the strong classes. Like season 2 was all bonk knights and season 3 was all thorns totems or bears. Like I saw very very little variation.

And it gives the overall game a bad vibe imo. Like if you are playing an underwhelming class and see evey other player with the same class you start to feel like you are wasting your time. I know you should just do what is fun for YOU but when everyone else is having icecream and you have a brick of salt you eventually Gona want the icecream too

[stable wolf]

New bosses locked to online until first kill in hc for future please, those moments need to be hype hype

[coarse swallow]

100% - if you have ideas regarding community events or rewards you'd like for events, right now is a fantastic time to submit them. 👀

[glass pendant]

Anyway, other than uber bosses, I'm glad we're finally getting item corruption, I was aching for more ways to ruin gg items

[grave magnet]

When you guys going to release a bug fix?

[ember panther]

pls no FOMO rewards

[untold skiff]

After season 5 at this pace

[turbid silo]

This!

[glass pendant]

I wanna see vaal fails in #👑┃item-showcase

[calm zodiac]

We gotta split the things.

People do not respond well to mid league nerfs, but theres tons of other midleague things you can do that aren't a nerf.

[night marten]

when s4 drops, like always

[night marten]

oh you will 100%. i love sharing my fails

[zinc blaze]

Can we get a vaal it corrupt it no epoch channel

[stable forum]

big bug fix patch would be cool...

[glass pendant]

"-2 to all skills" please

[calm jay]

There are absolutely ways to implement them away from fomo, cyclical nature is a great way to do this, and possibly helps fuel longer-term engagement. To be clear when I say keeping them non-fomo, I don't mean paywalls

[glass pendant]

I just thought of something diabolical. Corrupting a god nihilis

[undone ginkgo]

@coarse swallow I'd like to see the arena turned into a sort of "rogue-like" mini battle system, where you get increasing levels of danger (like we do currently) but with additional powers/rewards. So something like when you complete 5 waves instead of getting a chest you get "Cast X skill with Y skill modifier every Z seconds, but your armor is reduced by 10%"

And then have players see how far they can go before cashing out. If they fail, they still get rewards but lesser, but it could make it more interesting and useful and breath life into the arena (and make arena keys useful again)

[night marten]

#suggestions

[glass pendant]

You either create the best amulet known to mankind, or you uninstall

[calm zodiac]

It would become a demonic nihilis

[glass pendant]

This has to be slang for "unusable"

[rocky niche]

-2 to all skills

[royal smelt]

more like here is a brick, go throw it at a window lol

[glass pendant]

-50% less armor 🙏

[tidal pagoda]

W Road map. That was a great read and exciting. I feel spell blade is missing the "enchanted warrior" feeling and is becoming more of a "I cast spells while wearing a melee weapon" which isnt all that cool. Really should be the opposite like "My magic imbues/strengthens my melee capabilities"

[glass pendant]

I'm actually excited about the potential minus affixes from bricked items 😭

[orchid raven]

Roll that die 😬

[viral marsh]

s4 will surely be a season with only purple items

[glass pendant]

"I see Julra favored you, here, use this blue hexagonal thingy, it'll be fine!"

[muted cape]

Some nerfs are absolutely warranted. Summon bear got nerfed and they had upped to 50% less damage and that still wasnt enough nerf for eq bear

[glass pendant]

Right as PoE2 is dropping the Vaal queen herself. For the next half or so year, people will be corrupting items across arpgs

The item bricking will be glorious

[ornate vine]

Using the exact same flavour text as Poe is crazy

[zinc blaze]

wait what?

[muted cape]

I think most people like big strong stronk first. Then nerf over powered or over performing stuff at a later date. Infact we did a survey on this a year ago

[viral marsh]

Back to back vaal leagues

[wise jewel]

March for next cycle...luls. And the fact they are hyping the expansion more than the the next cycle, bad signs

[night marten]

they arent hyping the xpac more? you got way more information on s4 than the xpac?

and the xpac is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[ember panther]

some people really out here doing the most to find ways to be unhappy

[calm zodiac]

I think its great, POE uses lots of flavour text from diablo 2 as well.

[night marten]

its just another season. just hopefully bigger

[ornate vine]

This new rune can be used to corrupt an item, modifying it unpredictably.

[glass pendant]

"Surely I'll have better luck in the other game, right? "

[ornate vine]

It’s a word for word copy 🤣

[gritty helm]

corrupt that red ring legendary

[wise jewel]

Really? the reveal that just came out has more for the new xpac in the roadmap than the next league. What are you on about?

[zinc blaze]

oh I wouldn't even call that flavor text thats just explaining a mechanic

[ember panther]

it's almost like an expansion is bigger than a season

[gritty helm]

well yes, expac is the biggest content update it will get

[glass pendant]

Unless corruption rolls gigantic things like +skills, I think other items would benefit more from it tbh. 1lp red ring is nothing crazy to farm. but that 3lp null portent I saw the other day 😛

[calm zodiac]

Still, its good, this way people will know exactly what the thing does, good ideas should be taken, changing things for the sake of change is a very bad idea.

[wise jewel]

What i'm trying to say is obviously next season will be limited content, doesn't seem to be crazy yet its not out until end of March?

[rocky niche]

Now that you say it. CORRUPTING THAT +4 Erased Relic for a +6

[night marten]

the xpac had like aparagraph and 8 bullet points. s4 had like 5 entire sections.

[viral marsh]

If only they put the same dedication to nerf bear as to buff tempest strike

[ember panther]

yeah, it's a really long turnaround for a season but that's just how development works. they'll have part of their team working on season 5 and expansion content already

[glass pendant]

Saw a new player drop a 4lp foot of the mountain last season. The bricking on that would be glorious. "you can't brick 4lp items... or can you"

[gritty helm]

a bit yes, but expanding the team takes time. Considering it's the same size team as before it makes sense sadly

[undone ginkgo]

The better question is what are YOU on about. What is the point of coming here to complain about a march season release date? Ok so it's longer, do you not have any other games you want to play in the meantime? Why does it bother you so much? it seems weird to spend so much negative energy complaining about a game season cycle that doesn't affect your world negatively.

[ornate vine]

Le ain’t gonna survive by being an inferior POE clone

[viral marsh]

Surely no way to fail the 50/50 on the other game as well

[glass pendant]

The most important skill for an arpg player: coping

[wise jewel]

Its okay man, LE is just a game. No need to white knight 100%. The time between leagues is half a year, thats just not what people want. "Don't play". Yes, many didn't play last season and that trend might continue.

[muted cape]

Tempest strike is really really good as a minion flat damage buff lol

[calm zodiac]

All ARPGs drink from the diablo 2 fountain, POE literally take tons of things directly from diablo 2 or has things as reference to diablo 2(Just like LE also does), denying the titans in the genre and pretending they don't exist is not very good.

If they wanna copy good things from POE, go for it i'm happy to see it happening.

[glass pendant]

tbf bear is far from the strongest thing we've seen in this game. map clear is horrid. There are things that can achieve similar bosskill speeds without sacrificing map clear

[gritty helm]

Might, but I don't think it will be the case.
S3 biggest issues were small size and. launching literally on top of PoE2 league

[wise jewel]

@undone ginkgo enjoy being the LE hero champ 🙂 Hope you can squash all the "negative energy" online towards LE lol

[undone ginkgo]

You're right it's just a game. And when a game is boring to me, I don't come complain on discord, or reddit, or forums. I just play something else. I haven't played Diablo 4 in like 4 seasons. I'm gonna try Season 11 out this week. It's not White Knighting, it's just being a well adjusted adult who doesn't make their entire life about video games.

[viral marsh]

Yeah but that's basically its only purpose 😭

[wise jewel]

@gritty helmPOE 2 0.5 will most likely by around End of March/April if they hold true to the 4 month cycle time

[undone ginkgo]

Way to jump the shark buddy. /blocked It's clear you're here to troll. Enjoy raging on discord about how a game doesn't meet your expectations and anyone who has a nuanced opinion is "white knighting" game devs.

[glass pendant]

I hope they do something to address the fact that 2 flay liches in one party is abysmal

[wise jewel]

You didn't really have an opinion outside of "no negative energy". Chill

[gritty helm]

Yeah, but IMO timeframe is important. 2 weeks is a relatively safe distance

[muted cape]

Im just excited I can log in, play a chill build. Do all content besides uber, and not have to think too much, but more then playing d3 or d4

[calm zodiac]

Anything makes me happier them playing diablo 4

[glass pendant]

D3 paragon push was probably the most involved mapping I've seen in an rpg in all fairness

[frank bramble]

Baalz and Thal and George in one place? What a day to be alive

[turbid silo]

@undone ginkgo and @wise jewel lets go ahead and relax please.

[glass pendant]

This chat needed based takes so I had to do my part

[frank bramble]

this so much

[gritty helm]

Ah god damn it. James Bond comes close to Season 4. I'm like one of the two people excited for it, but somehow it still overlapped 🤣

[night marten]

ok, yall have fun. games on

[glass pendant]

happy gaming

[opal compass]

People expressing issue or concern with the game ie long waits between leagues is legit how companies get an idea on the vibes of the community 🙂

Thus allowing a healthy relationship in which the company can make changes if they feel it’s important

[rocky niche]

I hope the MTX are better

[silver arrow]

The only thing that worried me most March 2026 is Wuthering Waves collab with Cyberpunk Edgerunner, so my money might be already elsewhere

[low cradle]

Yo your favorite clown is back.

[brazen lotus]

Good roadmap post, wish we got details on the paid class dlc to calm some people down but other than that info was great

[glass pendant]

Yes. The moment the criticism stops is an indication people have moved on

You never want the criticism to stop, that's a game death sentence

[rocky niche]

No david = cringe. But i will get Rebecca

[low cradle]

And very hyped by the roadmap. Not because anything on it, but the willingness to admit the spellblade changes missed the mark.

[opal compass]

Damn straight George!

[stable shoal]

Marche 26 holy crap isn't poe new league after 0.4 gonna be the same time as our season 4 league wtf they are doing lmao

[simple bison]

Tbf the paid class is coming with the expansion in 2027, so it's likely a lot of the details for it haven't been locked in

[low cradle]

EHG usually leaves something dead for a year if it doesn't work.

[glass pendant]

How about we just paywall falconer to appease the crowds

"A worthy sacrifice"

[opal compass]

An in all fairness to the audience, LE leagues are almost double the wait for most other ARPGs so it’s not baseless….

[low cradle]

Falconer isn't even that bad. I don't get why people hate it so much. It does a lot of damage, but also has clear weaknesses

[undone ginkgo]

Criticism is fine, but I merely suggested that boredom/unmet expectations doesn't always equate to valid criticism/feedback and that people who conflate that need to chill. And was told I was "white knighting" the devs as a knee jerk response. That isn't remotely the same, nor is it a good faith response.

[sour idol]

I dislike acolyte much more than falconer

[glass pendant]

I don't know what falconer you've been playing friend but it clears screens...

[low cradle]

Again this community hasn't changed. Read what I said.

[night marten]

do not come back and immediately start trolling

just stop it right now

[ornate siren]

Funny how many Poe players are complaining on this thread when they won’t even play LE… must be super bored in Poe to be here crying

[glass pendant]

I'm actually curious I'm not gonna lie 😭

[low cradle]

I'm not torlling he didn't read what i said. "It does a lot of damage but has weaknesses. He said "Well it does a lot of damage."

[opal compass]

Your defending the late march release as being “fine” when to lot of peoples it’s not fine 😉

[low cradle]

yeah no shit sherlock falconier and rogue in gneeral is offensively cracked.

[glass pendant]

Sounds like it wasn't me who wasn't reading after all...

[low cradle]

Marksman clears a whole screen op op. XDDD

[undone ginkgo]

So I'm not allowed to have a differing opinion now? I either have to agree that a March release is "not fine", or not say anything? I never said other people couldn't disagree with the release cadence, I merely suggested that a longer release cycle isn't 100% a bad thing and that people should relax a little.

[glass pendant]

If your idea of "clear issues" is neither "tons of damage", nor "area of effect", then all that's left is survivability. And if you think falconer lacks in that department, I'm sure you can guess what my response to that is

[brazen lotus]

Sure, but if that's the case they shouldn't have even announced it yet. It's kind of short sighted to announce the paid classes and not provide any details to alleviate any worry. Gamers are a fickle bunch and unfortunately that needs to be taken into account with things like this

[low cradle]

show me a falc face tanking uber abberath. plox.

LEague start gear mind you I've seen one of every toher class do it besides rogues.

falconier is far and above first place of rogues

[opal compass]

Yup anyone can for sure have any opinion on a matter no doubt. Issue is, when you respond to people saying “what y’all complaining, chill out it’s not that deep”

When clearly it is to some people maybe a lot of people

[gritty helm]

I think you are giving gamers too much credit here. No matter what people would get mad. IMO ripping off the bandaid earlier is better

[low cradle]

Which is a bit problematic. for bd balance, but that's also bd's fault.

[glass pendant]

League start gear for uber aberroth?

Facetanking? Are you mistaking every class for paladin and flay or...

[low cradle]

hyper ward bulds can do it

[calm zodiac]

That i agree, atleast this time they gave something to sweeten the pot unlike the last announcement lol

[glass pendant]

either way, with @frank bramble's permission to use as example, #🎥┃video-shoutout message

[frank bramble]

permission DENIED

[glass pendant]

Video officially removed

[frank bramble]

got 500 views on that shit, my nonexistent kids will be proud of me

[glass pendant]

You didn't facetank it on league start gear, arpg police yes this rogue right here

[low cradle]

for a rogue this is pretty good

[viral marsh]

If I wasn't mistaken there was someone who killed it with blue gear ages ago

[glass pendant]

The community is grateful for your benevolent admission

[brazen lotus]

Nah there's a difference between your typical angry at everything gamer and someone with critical thinking who is fine with a paid class or whatever. It just depends on those details. It does give them more time to adjust if the overall feedback is too bad though

[glass pendant]

Busted divebomb prenerf build, ages ago. different setup

[low cradle]

was it a paladin xdddd

[hallow mist]

hey guys, john Last Epoch here! happy to announce our newest league: L(AI)st Epoch, Echoes of Gameplay. In this league, you'll design a gameplay experience that rips off PoE, Diablo 2, and more of your favorite RPGs, but worse! Now with 200% increased AI assets, 300% reduced water in your local community, but just as much effort as we have always put into this game.

[glass pendant]

I think this is the worst bait yet, I could be wrong

[low cradle]

but i thought it was the minion damage skills people were complaining about not the ones where fallconier is just better at blade dancer than blade dancer

[viral marsh]

I think it was a falconer but I also think the build was bugged

[calm zodiac]

This AI hating stuff is getting so annoying to the point its annoying me more then the existance of AI itself

[low cradle]

I think the better at blade dancer than blade dancer stuff def needs to be fixed

[glass pendant]

Yeah the divebomb build was unethical, scaled way too hard with minimal investment

[gritty helm]

True, however there definitely is a balancing act. Too early is wasting time on balancing things that might get cut off. I think I'd get concenred about that around may

[undone ginkgo]

Hasn't the falconeer mastery always been a bit overly powerful (compared to other masteries for rogue)

[calm zodiac]

Also <@&1161418687471956101> maybe this one should be removed? so ppl don't start bsing over it

[gritty helm]

I give it a 2/10 :/

[low cradle]

so whos more degen tanky now btw now that the dust has settled

lich or plai

[undone ginkgo]

Dude even has a PoE gif as his discord banner. kinda ridiculous the lengths people go to, to shill for other games. I blame the political climate for making people overly tribal.

[cobalt fable]

last epoch was good but then krafton came and ruined

[low cradle]

Also is this build even going to work post BD rework

[gritty helm]

Says the guy with communist leader from Red Alert in pfp

[low cradle]

because wont falc only be able to drop the grenades, or will they let skills drop both.

grenades are still very good to be clear. I'm not underselling that

[undone ginkgo]

huh? its tim curry over-acting in an old game. not sure why you're razzing on that, it's just a meme.

[gritty helm]

ah mb, you meant that guy not my avatar decoration.
I probably should get some sleep lol

[glass pendant]

Falconer's power has always come from two sources. the feather/razorfall machinegunning of bladestorms and their respective uncapped modifiers, and explosive trap being the most spammable thing in existence, causing unbalanced interactions with things not intended to be machinegunned like flask. So in every strong iteration, there was a case of something being spammed infinitely more frequently than intended, with minimal resource cost and uncapped modifiers. Season 4 detaches bladestorms from umbral blades, and will probably nerf explosive trap to the ground. In view of all that, if the nodes that replace the bladestorm nodes in the umbral blades tree aren't amazing, I don't see what falconer can possibly run in season 4 given what we know

[low cradle]

Yeah

[gritty helm]

Uhh, I've meant revealing details about Paradox Class

[glass pendant]

Oh crap I'm sorry I replied to the wrong person 😭

[low cradle]

IS the paradox class an extra mastery

[gritty helm]

no worries lmao

[low cradle]

or a whole ass class.

[glass pendant]

I was trying to reply to this

[pearl orbit]

inb4 paradox class is an online course teaching you everything from crusader kings to cities skylines

[low cradle]

That's something I haven't been able to figure out while detached from the community.

[glass pendant]

I think my discord chat jumped and saw the other reply

[low cradle]

blade dancer also just has. Nothing going for it.

[gritty helm]

inb4 the negative reception is caused by the name paradox triggering people, or rather the mountain of DLC they relase

[low cradle]

It had a few comically overpowered builds, and than no real substance without those. Arena pushers also got its defenses gutted.

I'm so glad arena pushers have no weight on game balance now. God bless.

[pearl orbit]

dont even ask how much ive spent on stellaris over the years

[glass pendant]

The strongest bd and mm builds for bossing are all the exact same build. Reason for that being that explosive trap is available to everyone

[gritty helm]

I won't. I own all the DLC for it and CK3. I'd rather forget how much I've spent

[glass pendant]

I probably own almost every survivorslike under the sun. I ain't about to judge someone's DLC spending endeavors

[low cradle]

I honestly just want less cookie cutter build design

[coarse swallow]

I actually just confirmed earlier (I'm personally just a CM, I have to confirm with the company on some things) - we have no plans to release anything AI. We might use AI in coordination with backend management, but not for content.

[low cradle]

every complaint about poe2 build diversity can be applied to EHG 10 fold. No offense.

[lusty grotto]

Hello haboobati, season 4 look great habibi

[glass pendant]

I need to take a look at how balanced pd2 is nowdays

[lusty grotto]

we will get of of these with mr sparo 😉

[low cradle]

ehg design is great when nodes like "Press vengeance and than press any big slam attack after and do big damage."

[gritty helm]

With exception of 0.2 PoE2, yes. Every game eventually forms a meta with limited choices. Unless we talk 0.2, then the choice was just lightning spear

[low cradle]

Ehg is at it's worst when they're like "Well if you put storm bolts and maelstorm on literally every skill you get a ton of damage."

[steel mesa]

I'm actually quite happy with what season 4 is looking like, hopefully they actually deliver this time. New mechanic actually looks like a mechanic and not just a new rare mob.

[glass pendant]

jonathan's memery on the druid video was peak

"it needed more clear"

[low cradle]

talking about the devs making the choices for you based on what they think is a "Cool combo."

[glass pendant]

Are you ready for +4 2lp SW

[steel mesa]

Hell yes

[low cradle]

rather than letting organic combos decide game design. They've been moving away from that (Vengeance applying to all slammyy skills.) but it's still really apparent in classes like primalist and spell blade

[steel mesa]

I'm not a fan of PoE2 design philosophy where they nerf anything that they consider not in line with their vision for something. It makes them look like Riot.

[gritty helm]

That I agree with

[glass pendant]

Minions need tons and tons more work. The moment I saw the bear running circles around the target for like 2 business days of nonstop swiping, something died inside me

[gritty helm]

I'm having LoR flashbacks and their allergy to playable removal

[glass pendant]

is the itemization ceiling as crazy high as poe1's right now?

does poe2 have 100mirror builds

[steel mesa]

They're adding corrupted items in the next update so I think we're slowly getting there

[glass pendant]

Oh right the double corruption

[steel mesa]

last league it was crazy how easy it was to get mirror tier items tho, they made crafting so insane you could get god tier items for like 20d of investment

[untold bloom]

I liked this roadmap drop to say the least, only thing I can complain about is the time until we get there but stuff takes time to develop 🤝

[steel mesa]

they're just not capable of 3-4 month content cycles it seems, we should probably expect 2 updates a year at this point

[gritty helm]

pretty much the same.
If it was early march/late february it would be perfect. Alas

[glass pendant]

I can see myself actually giving poe2 a go maybe on release

[steel mesa]

which is weird given the size of their team imo but I'll get called a hater if I call that out xd

[untold bloom]

It's fine, 3-4 months was not entirely realistic if they were aiming for big drops, which I guess originally they were but had to step back and reorganize their train of thought lol

[glass pendant]

tbf that showcase was crazy production value imo

Nobody drops such updates on early access

[steel mesa]

I think poe2 is having a free weekend if you wanna try it but the new league doesn't look that exciting

[opaque perch]

Like anything AI is a tool that can help you work. For that it's great.

[lean otter]

okay i re-did my build and skill tree

[glass pendant]

I don't wanna invest on a volatile product is my problem. When the dust settles I will. I don't like being a beta tester

[gritty helm]

Druid makes me excited, but I fear we are going back to 0.2 nightmare with PoE2

[lean otter]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Thibby/character/Thibs3393

[low cradle]

Honestly with poe2 the only thing i worry about is them not giving enough support to older archetypes.

Huntress is a pretty prime example, but they're commited to improving riposte gameplay at least

[north pulsar]

I've put a suggestion in the suggestions chat for season reset, go react to it to show we want it

[steel mesa]

Druid looks cool but the direction of the patch screams 0.2 yeah, I was happy with how much faster the game felt in 0.3 and now they're going back on that...

[opaque perch]

Crafting is still atrocious imo

[glass pendant]

Going back on mob density is one of the things I disliked about the showcase

[gritty helm]

aaaand it gets nerfed compared to 0.3 😐

[low cradle]

I think it did until the panic parry changes and at least giving you max frenzies for landing a single parry

That to me says they still care even if it's hard to get all the work done.

[coarse swallow]

I haven't personally ever touched AI (As much as people claim I have since acquisition, haha). But from what I understand of AI, I personally agree. It's a tool, not a producer.

[jolly saffron]

Wtf march

[lean otter]

so the seasons ar six monthes long?

[glass pendant]

If I had to guess, developers have a hard time managing entity clutter on modern games. That doesn't change the fact that I want to pop screens in my silly game about numbers

[low cradle]

Honest question though. A.I. Texturing tools used by artist? (Not a bad thing.)

[steel mesa]

The hatred for AI in this community is so forced. As a tool it's amazing. Companies just shouldn't expect it to replace real people.

[coarse swallow]

No, our current stance is no AI with anything we release is what I've been told.

[low cradle]

Good call considering potential drama.

[plain mantle]

MARCH? I’m out

[gritty helm]

Ech, depends.
For example CoD generated slop as graphics in the shop scream low effort

[glass pendant]

would be nice if AI was used for mind numbing optimization procedures so that the creative minds can focus on content

[jolly saffron]

Damm s4 so late 🥲

[opaque perch]

Why does a parry mechanic even exist in an arpg? Johnathan is insane. It's like we have to bully him to make a good game.

[glass pendant]

Could be a hot take but that's my opinion

[gritty helm]

Unhealthy obsession with Dark Souls ?

[steel mesa]

Why do we need THREE charges for a freaking totem? Jonathan's vision is garbage.

[low cradle]

Dude its cool af.

[coarse swallow]

With 1.3 we recognized that there is a focus from the community on meeting a "minimum" amount of content that needs to be met. We decided to target the content rather than the timeframe, which means we need a bit more time as we don't have the built up tools and procedures from many years of this process like other developers have,

[low cradle]

Quit being a hater the parry is clunky on release, but as long as they keep making it better the feeling of "Get got" from parrying is incredible in poe2

And fits a dex class well.

[jolly saffron]

Yeah cant wait for s4 love this game

[steel mesa]

Bot spotted. There's no way a real human actually likes the parry mechanic.

[opaque perch]

Meaningful combat!

[glass pendant]

As a non poe2 player, I wonder how parrying applies to the far endgame among the chaos

[low cradle]

idk it's called an action rpg. Name a non diablo clonese that doesn't have some kind of parry mechanic

[glass pendant]

how do you know what to parry when there's 30 mobs on you? maybe I'm missing something

[low cradle]

And you can't say LE because we have a skill specifically designed to let you parry big strikes

[low cradle]

press the button it' 360 release it hit the entire are a in front of you flip out explode the entire area in front of you.

[glass pendant]

So it has a generous window

becuase if it's a soulslike parry and you hit it hoping to meet the timeframe... yeah

[low cradle]

yeah its not that it's a "I need to get out. Unless their eyes glow red this will let me get out." button

[opaque perch]

You don't. It's not an evasion mechanic. That's just w number. It's a literal timed press mechanic.

[low cradle]

for the melee/ranged hybrid classs mind you. So it needs a way out.

[glass pendant]

So you could argue it's proactive rathen than reactive

[steel mesa]

My issue with it is tying charges to it which makes it feel like a clunky mechanic. But that's their vision for the game I guess.

[low cradle]

mhmm

[glass pendant]

Sounds like an mmorpg block&counter to me rather than a parry then

[low cradle]

Yeah definetly should be more ways to generate charges. This feels more like a bandaid than an actual fix.

[glass pendant]

Guild wars 2 comes to mind

[opaque perch]

No there is a button press block mechanic too.

[glass pendant]

do you guys also get campfires?

[steel mesa]

They're so afraid of giving us good ways of generating charges but then lock so much of certain skills power behind these charges. It's just blegh.

[glass pendant]

Bad joke my bad

[gritty helm]

technically ? yes, just during the campaign

[opaque perch]

😂

[glass pendant]

My favorite soulslike is nioh, I'm lootpilled to the core

[opaque perch]

Things have been rough since Chris was forced out. But people are buying and playing. So they are doing something right.

[low cradle]

I'm mostly upset because they admitted bear had issue against bosses and let it naturally generate charges. I'm sure dragon can too

[glass pendant]

why is chris wilson the most based youtuber on the platform right now

[steel mesa]

Mine is Elden Ring. I love a good open world.

[glass pendant]

nioh 3 will be open world, it's my first 2026 buy

[low cradle]

I like side scrolling arpgs more than souls likes it's just sort of who i am as a gamer

[steel mesa]

combat of nioh is probably the best in the soulslike genre though

[low cradle]

slow feels unrealistic if you're actually a practiced fighter.

[gritty helm]

akshually it's not a soulslike, because -like implies game not made by from software.
But if we include them, mine too

[low cradle]

Like 90% of my martial arts friends are also like "Wtf is this." to souls like. Despite likeing castlevania combat.

[glass pendant]

I thought enotria was gonna give it a run for its money, sadly I disliked the game

[steel mesa]

I like action rpgs like dmc5 more than I do soulslikes tbh, it's just kinda rare to get a really good one these days since everyone wants to make a soulslike instead

[glass pendant]

I like what e33 did with the timed battling system even if it's turn based

[steel mesa]

Give me that fast paced action over a souls game any day

[low cradle]

DMC is unrealistic, but it feels good so you don't care.

[steel mesa]

idc about realism

[glass pendant]

I heard the latest ninja gaiden is brutally hard even compared to soulsy gameplay

[steel mesa]

yeah I heard that too

[gritty helm]

If I want realism I launch KCD2. Very fun, but tiring at times

[low cradle]

I think it matters a bit. Like bayonetta feels better than DMC to me because yeah while her moves are super unrealistic.

They do take weight into account making combat feel less floaty.

[steel mesa]

realism is exactly why I don't like KCD2. If I want realism I'll go outside. Give me fantasy settings and over the top action.

[glass pendant]

I knew people struggled with revengenace, but I don't think it's that fast paced at all. Looks slow motion compared to ninja gaiden

[glass pendant]

Most based open world ruined by the combat imo

[gritty helm]

Now that's a hot take.
I think KCD2 combat is great

[glass pendant]

directional attacking has a very niche audience, I don't think it's a hot take at all

[low cradle]

Again i think realism can help. I know a lot of the reason people dislike fighting games is how crazy the communities that run them are about pushing light attack meta, and you cant make moves that come out slow.

[steel mesa]

I think I would rather play skyrim with tons of action combat mods than some of these games with slow combat

[glass pendant]

More people are likely to buy unga bunga than physics in your swings

[low cradle]

Which probably feels bad because a single light punch comboing into a super combo

is like the most unrealistic shit you could ever do in fighting yet its become the meta in fighting games to such a degree its the accepted norm

[steel mesa]

also yea directional attacking is very niche.

[glass pendant]

Base skyrim combat is identical to minecraft combat I swear dude 😭

[gritty helm]

yk.
Considering the popularity of Skyrim with its "just spam attacks" combat you might be right

[steel mesa]

base skyrim combat is so bad and yet I'd still prefer it over KCD2 combat

[low cradle]

"Heavy attacks having more stun feels good." is something i think every arpg enjoyer can admit. because it's grounded in realism

It feels bad if you drop a nuke on somoene and they can just swing right back

[glass pendant]

out of all the things d3 did wrong, this is its greatest sin

There is absolutely zero weight, the entire game weighs lighter than a feather

[surreal raft]

gotta love stuns man

[steel mesa]

well it's realistic but it also feels good being able to stun and land a full combo on an enemy, it also feels good having to worry about getting stunned because it's boring if you can infinitely combo an enemy down

[glass pendant]

nioh 2's combo chaining feels so meaty and weighty you're not even mad if you flop. You know exactly why you got skillchecked every single death

And I love that feeling personally

[surreal raft]

the souls games (especially bloodborne) too

maybe not so much combos, but heavy attacks

[glass pendant]

Bloodborne has some pretty beefy attacks I agree. you feel like your screen is shaking when you get a big hit landed on you

[surreal raft]

or the MH games

[gritty helm]

when great sword lands in monster hunter 👌

[steel mesa]

where winds meet on the highest difficulty has some crazy combat imo

[glass pendant]

I need to look into that, I haven't at all yet

[gritty helm]

I have not played on legend, and considering how much the witch demolished me I'm glad

[surreal raft]

MH is pretty much if dark souls was a bossrush, with more item customisation

[untold turret]

Sekiro has great combat

[glass pendant]

I don't like how parry centric it is personally. but I see the appeal

[gritty helm]

But when you manage to land 6 parries in a row in the attack sequence it feels so good

[steel mesa]

I don't care for Sekiro much

[stable forum]

talking about bonking, that anvil hammer you can get in Shadow of the Erdtree was sooooooo goood. Literally didnt' unequip it the rest of the game

[untold turret]

Once the game clicks for you the fun starts

Treat it like a rhythm game and you will see the difference

[glass pendant]

I don't mean from a skill issue PoV. I just think it's a little too single dimensional in that regard. Feels like the key to every puzzle is the same key you're holding

[steel mesa]

I don't like rhythm games so that probably explains why I dislike sekiro eh

[surreal raft]

yeah sekiro requires you to learn boss patterns even more than the main dark souls games, cant really cheese it due to the (relatively) limited moveset

[glass pendant]

That deltarune boss ragebaiting an entire generation:

[untold turret]

Believe me you can

[gritty helm]

Personally if I want the multidimensional puzzle combat I launch a turn based game like BG3

[surreal raft]

really? i never went out of my way to look for exploits / bugs / cheese so i dunno

[untold turret]

Just play expedition 33

[steel mesa]

I'm a simple man, I just want fast paced action combat or a loot game like this, I don't really play many other genres tbh

[glass pendant]

e33 dlc better punch me in the gut

[untold turret]

After i defeated the game normally i tried to do a few runs with glitches and learned a few

[glass pendant]

play silksong, you might have fun honestly

[surreal raft]

expedition 33 DLC gonna come out and its called expedition 34

[glass pendant]

finally some good lore drop

[gritty helm]

but the numbers go .... nevermind

[untold turret]

So yall think silksong winning over e33 ?

[glass pendant]

I don't think it should win, and I have 400 hours clocked on silksong

e33 has a bigger production value and that needs to be celebrated because it's the answer to the AAA slop

[surreal raft]

i mean theyre both awesome, theyd win easily if the other wasnt also released the same year

[steel mesa]

There's no way E33 loses

[untold turret]

Based

[glass pendant]

e33 is a statement at this point, not just a game. it needs to win because that will affect the future of gaming

[steel mesa]

Well... I also said that about Wukong and it lost to Astro Bot lol

[surreal raft]

same way any game coming out the same year as gta6 is gonna struggle

[glass pendant]

I pretend 2024 didn't happen for my own sanity

[untold turret]

Rigged

[gritty helm]

But on the other hand everyone bet on BG3 and it swept

[glass pendant]

Wukong not winning was the most obvious rigging tbf

[flint night]

Yep

[steel mesa]

It was easily the best game that year. Not even close.

[frank bramble]

200th uber killed this season, 1x nihilis 2lp (69th run), 1x immortal vise 2lp (176th run), 0x SW 2lp, 1x null portent 2lp (190th run), pure depression

[glass pendant]

Yeah nothing came near in a mile

[untold turret]

Yall happy with what's coming to LE with the new classes stuff ? Everyone seemed to be mad on Yt

[surreal raft]

i mean BG3 blew up about the same time as critical role made DnD blow up too didnt it?

[glass pendant]

item corruption = peak. pinnacle bosses later down = peak. the rest I honestly don't care

[gritty helm]

I have no opinion. We don't know anything about it including the price

[steel mesa]

I don't think paid classes are ideal but they can't seem to make good cosmetic so this seems to be their answer to making seasons profitable.

[gritty helm]

A bit later tbh.

[glass pendant]

baffles me to this day tbh

[untold turret]

They do make good skills and stuff i just hope it doesn't get too p2w

[steel mesa]

I've never seen a game with such bad cosmetics and it's weird because I know plenty of people that would give EHG more money if the cosmetics were good

[surreal raft]

true, as long as the paid classes arent just "better mage, better sentinel, better acolyte" etc etc

[untold turret]

If they don't make it slightly more powerful people won't buy it

[gritty helm]

Paradox class needs to be interesting, and IMO it can be the hardest to get into as well

[steel mesa]

I mean you have to make the paid classes worth buying so I feel like they'll be stronger than base classes

[glass pendant]

I'm of the opinion that it will affect nothing. LE has had crazy balance issues since launch. There's always been classes that magnitudes above everything else, and skills that barely do anything at all. the only reason people are going nuts is becuase for the first time, a broken class costs money

from a gameplay standpoint... that's very on brand so

[frank bramble]

yeah that was my most worrying point - they will overnerf stuff and then introduce paid classes which would be much better but Wick said it ain't happening, we'll see

[untold turret]

Falconer

[steel mesa]

That's also why I'm not too bothered. This game probably has the worst balance in the genre.

[glass pendant]

Flay afking inside uber ground vomit:

[untold turret]

That's all i gotta say, that class has been broken and I love it xD

[steel mesa]

A class being broken won't make me buy it though. The paradox classes need to have fun skills and interactions for me.

[gritty helm]

IMO having a lot of viable builds is more important than having them balanced

[lusty grotto]

LAST EPOCH

[glass pendant]

I'm used to 4-5 things dealing 2 more zeroes of damage than everything else. if one of them costs a double burger and a large soda, it leaves me unphased

[steel mesa]

The gap between the new classes in this game from the old ones is too big though. I don't mind stuff being broken but it's pretty bad.

[untold turret]

And they need to look better visually for me

[surreal raft]

unique characters matter way more than strong/weak, look at borderlands 2, salvador is by far the strongest character to play, but zer0 has bore

we all love seeing hyperion get 1shot by a level 1 pistol

[frank bramble]

exactly, people are butthurt about falconer and close eyes when other classes do this shit, and no falconer can't stand in uber ground for a long time, you should move because otherwise you will have to start using pots very fast in order to survive

[untold turret]

I never played borderlands games tbh, they do sound awesome

[steel mesa]

I care more about fun rn because the power creep made uber easy for most classes

[glass pendant]

class bias in arpgs is a tale as old as d2

[steel mesa]

so I don't have to care about meta to clear all content

[surreal raft]

id recommend the BL2 highly, its diablo with guns

[untold turret]

Is it arpg like with guns ?

[frank bramble]

anyone who watched my falconer uber kill should notice how rapidly i started potting before the last phase cuz i felt too cocky

[steel mesa]

I've never tried 2 but I hated BL3 and Tiny Tina

[surreal raft]

it has the same kinda itemisation and skilltrees, less focus on stat allocation tho

[glass pendant]

I dream of a future where the strongest thing is 1.5 times stronger than everything else. not two orders of magnitute

[glass pendant]

there's a tiny tina mod that d2fies the entire game and it's infinitely based

[surreal raft]

2 is still my favourite, followed by 1, then the pre sequel

[steel mesa]

BL3 gives me the same feeling that LE does currently - unique overload - without any of the fun

[untold turret]

What's the best vampire games to you guys ? My favourite is definitely Vrising, i love that game

[surreal raft]

thats cus BL3 scrapped unique enemy drops for the most part

[glass pendant]

One thing I have to respect bl3 for is the ridiculous amount of endgame bossing. There's like 20 postgame bosses + raids with two difficulty settings it's nuts

[night chasm]

March release date for Season 4 is pretty crazy

[glass pendant]

but yeah it's all orange loot explosions sadly

[steel mesa]

Best vampire game? probably v rising. there's not much competition.

[untold turret]

It feels like such an early announcement lol, they could have waited to give us this info at this point

[glass pendant]

castlevania dlc for vamp survivors 😛

[steel mesa]

I love vampires so it's sad there's not much action rpgs for them

[glass pendant]

Would be nice if we got a bloodborne-y arpg

[untold turret]

Try Vrising, there's a LOT to do and learn

[surreal raft]

grim dawn kinda fits that bill, if you stretch it a bit

[steel mesa]

v rising is cool and all but most of the time I'm not in a survival mood

[glass pendant]

Not dark enough sadly. the only arpg as dark as d2 is poe2

[surreal raft]

true

[glass pendant]

I want gritty man

[steel mesa]

I like the grim dawn atmosphere but I couldn't really stay into it

[untold turret]

Meanwhile D4 still on beta after all these years 😆

[surreal raft]

whats D4? i only know the first 2

[untold turret]

💀

[glass pendant]

for all the shortcomings of poe2, and jonathan's decisions, the moment I saw the player character sit on that surgery table and get mangled, then rising with a mechanical arm, I hovered over the buy button I'll be real

[steel mesa]

d3 was my first arpg so I'll always love it but d4 man... ain't no way I'm buying another dlc

[glass pendant]

funnily enough it gave me v rising vibes

[surreal raft]

reminded me of that one scene in quake 4

[untold turret]

You haven't played it yet ?

[glass pendant]

I don't want to invest in a game that changes so much so rapidly

I'll see at 1.0

[wheat tiger]

That's like the point of every arpg lel. You get to play the game from scratch every 3-5 months

[steel mesa]

I'm starting to feel that way tbh, seeing them make the game faster in 0.3 only to go the opposite direction in 0.4 is annoying.

[untold turret]

It has been fun tbh, you play for a week or two and ur done with the season anyway

[glass pendant]

there's a difference between a seasonal mechanic and fundamental gameplay and sometimes game engine changes with each numbered patch. let alone the extremely volatile metagame

[surreal raft]

its like half the devs want D2 and the other half want vampire survivors, and theyre both pulling on a rope

[steel mesa]

mark vs jonathan

[glass pendant]

I want to see the game settling in its own mechanics before investing into the core skeleton

[untold turret]

Play poe1 all ur wishes will be answered

[main frigate]

Maybe Dread made a right choice

[glass pendant]

I like being healthy

[steel mesa]

latest poe1 league was trash so eh

[frank bramble]

this

[glass pendant]

I love that poe2 takes the last league's mechanic and adds it to the map skill tree

[autumn briar]

i reckon i would have been better off not playing 0.1 of poe2, i dunno if i can get over it coz of how bad it was, even if the game is much better now

[glass pendant]

it'll have faded by the time of the release

[surreal raft]

cyberpunk/no mans sky players:

[steel mesa]

you opted to play the first version of a early access game, ofc it wasn't that great

[glass pendant]

playing nms right now and I thank everything that's holy that I waited it out

[surreal raft]

on god

[autumn briar]

yeah, im just making that statement coz of what george said of not wanting to play until 1.0

[steel mesa]

I don't think I can suggest poe2 in it's current state tho, the endgame is still mediocre and they delayed the promised endgame overhaul to 0.5

[surreal raft]

oh yeah def not at the price its at rn

[steel mesa]

odds are I'm gonna play the new league for a weekend and then uninstall it until 0.5

[glass pendant]

it was very unsettling to me seeing the grossing overhyping pre release. the timers counting down, the over the top celebrations, comment sections blowing up. not the first balloon I've seen pop

I like being cautious

[steel mesa]

well GGG had a ton of good will with it's community so naturally everyone was hyping it up. a lot of that good will has gone away tho.

[surreal raft]

i think theyll manage to bring it around, but by then theyll have split their playerbase between POE1 and POE2

[glass pendant]

It's already a solid game, questionable decisions aside. It's still not 1.0 though

[surreal raft]

(if they dont abandon it i mean, thatst still possible)

[autumn briar]

i waited until 1.0 to play LE, not by choice because i didnt know the game existed before then. however, was it better that way? maybe

[steel mesa]

I just wish they would decide what they want PoE2 to be. It's obvious there's an identity crisis.

[stable forum]

that's literally not gonna happen, so it is impossible

[surreal raft]

i dunno man, i cant read the PoE devs minds

[steel mesa]

tbh I think the factions hurt LE more than they helped. I def miss the older LE sometimes.

[stable forum]

why would they ever abandon it though?

[surreal raft]

dude all im saying is its possible

[glass pendant]

the imprint chase has exhausted me. While the game was aching for some determinism, the implementation is a little meh. and it's not because of the system itself but rather the value it appoints on maps. makes some maps meta, other maps trash

[steel mesa]

it seems like they're struggling to handle two games, I wouldn't be surprised if poe1 was only managed by a small team soon

[glass pendant]

wish every map had many imprint pop opportunities in it

[surreal raft]

they already have a money printer, and PoE2 is having an identity crisis, as well as a questionable amount of excitement for the next updates

[autumn briar]

wonder if imprints will be addressed.

[glass pendant]

Prophecies are trash, their ui is trash

[autumn briar]

well that rework is coming (in 10 months)

[steel mesa]

I'm not fond of imprinting. the fact that getting double t7 affixes on every piece of gear is easy to do now is insane to me.

[glass pendant]

I don't care where the power balance ends up evening out. Whether it's t7t7, t7t6, t7t5, numbers are irrelevant to me. I want the item chase to be meaningful and right now the mapping value has as steep spikes as the class balance does

[surreal raft]

from what i can tell, the more focus they put on PoE 2, the less PoE1 gets, and thats shown in the latest PoE1 season being mid

[glass pendant]

Some things are 10x more value than others, just like class balance

[stable forum]

Instead of having 4 leagues per year, they are now going to have 6. Each POE2 league has had no less than 250k cc and the last two POE1 leagues had 180k+ cc

[glass pendant]

You've got one map with a trillion caches, then another map with one chest that you need to catch 3 plane flights to reach

[surreal raft]

is more leagues/year a good thing though? im just sayin what i think, i dont keep up with Arpgs as much as i used to man

[low cradle]

also massive delay because i was doing something. The reason FG's don't do the heavy attacks combo better thing is doing so would make fighting games more tradey. Which means less flashy combos which means less free advertising form competitive scene

[glass pendant]

I don't understand why we've got tree nodes with "8% more chance for woven echo drops" instead of meaningful things like "your maps contain a second guaranteed cache"

[low cradle]

FGC is killing fighting games meme is sort of real.

[glass pendant]

(for comparison we have one for exiled mage of all things)

[surreal raft]

FGC fans when someone says low kick instead of 8k

[steel mesa]

more leagues are good if your team can handle it. I would rather have less leagues with a higher quality than the game give us 4 leagues that suck.

[stable forum]

if you maintain a consistent user amount, I don't see how it can be anything less that positive. That might change over the years, but right now, it's nothing but good for them as a company and business.

[glass pendant]

I don't like "too many leagues" personally. I'm a little tired of the frantic league start push. I wanna slow down a little and chill grind, have the little extra time to clear all content etc

[low cradle]

last epoch still hasn't properly left beta meme currently plagues the appeal to casuals

[glass pendant]

I've pushed more seasons than is healthy for a person to push, I'm tired

[low cradle]

They can say they're out of beta as much as they want. The campaign isn't finished

[steel mesa]

A company can only have so much good will until they burn through all of it. They can't keep giving mediocre content updates just for the sake of pushing something out. So honestly I'm fine with LE's new approach to slowing down and only releasing something when it's good.

[glass pendant]

"not as big as season 2" does have me a little concerned

[crisp grotto]

Has anyone else did the "Breach" joke yet

[surreal raft]

yeah its good from a business perspective, but leagues every 2 months is crazy work, especially if that applies to both POE1 and POE2 (which im assuming its only POE1 but idk)

[glass pendant]

you're a little late yeah

[low cradle]

Also hows this look for server nickname 😛

[stable forum]

I get that and to be fair, that added the entire woven echo system and weavers tree.

[crisp grotto]

Just wanted to make sure humanity is still going strong

[steel mesa]

I love breach (old breach, not the terrible new breach) so obviously I'm happy with the new mechanic lol

season 4 should be fun if they deliver

[glass pendant]

I have slormancer ptsd I'm gonna be honest

[steel mesa]

Never played so I can't comment on that

[glass pendant]

imagine your entire life being a breach

[autumn briar]

whats diff between old breach and new breach?

[steel mesa]

Maybe I should play it then

[glass pendant]

😭

[steel mesa]

I'm a simple man, just give me lots of enemies to kill and good loot

[autumn briar]

solution: 40% less monsters

[glass pendant]

how are we feeling about the actual build-a-temple thing, double corruption aside

[sour idol]

New breach does a vaccum but is also a lot like blight now, multiple options for mechanics

[glass pendant]

It looked like getting to the architect takes a little too long

[loud fable]

In Season 4, we’re pushing that further with a significant enhancement: enemies now visually react to your hits through new additive animations explicitly crafted for each enemy type. This update has been applied across the entire game.

The change may seem subtle at first, but it meaningfully improves the impact and clarity of combat, making every strike feel more connected. You can see it in action in the video below:

Thank you guys SO MUCH for focusing on this. Been barking about it for so long, and it's at the crux of why the combat felt lackluster. More to do, of course, but I think people will have this feeling of "hey, something feels better", and they won't know what - and that's good!

[autumn briar]

i dont know what that means because i dont know what blight is

[sour idol]

Blight variants are most common, but when you see an actual breach, it's like the original but better. Killing mobs gives stability, when you hit the cap. Blight is like tower defense where you need to guard someone

[surreal raft]

i hear ya man, each swarm has 2 enemies now and they do no damage but all their attacks stun you for 1.2 seconds

[steel mesa]

blight is protect the tower basically

[autumn briar]

ah

[glass pendant]

does the breach expand at snail pace now or something

[sour idol]

If you just keep the breaches you get casually from the new breach, it would be so good

Kill enough mobs fast enough and the breach stabilizes with a few monsters acting as cores or you get a unique boss to kill after which the breach collapses giving rewards for the allmighty genesis tree

[loud fable]

And the "linked" echoes? Chef's kiss. I barked about it here: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message and so happy you guys are getting to these because it's telling me that the EHG we know is the EHG we've always known! Great thinking, killer feature.

Those two changes alone are the main highlights that clearly show EHG is still on their A-game.

[steel mesa]

keep the improved breach and put the loot back into maps, I hate the tree

[glass pendant]

Can I just say Xesht looks badass. Eldtrich horror bias

[flint night]

Breach was a real popular league for poe. Will be interesting how it plays out in LE.

[shut quiver]

I see a notification in news and over 500 msgs. Whats new

[glass pendant]

over 500 messages evidently

[minor current]

did I read that right? next season isn't until the end of March?

[night marten]

yup

[minor current]

I feel like that's quite a bit later than many were expecting

[night marten]

yup

[main frigate]

that's fine, S2 have been delayed 5 months. S4 will just delay 3 months!

They're faster :)

[minor current]

hey at least this way PoE 1 and 2 will both get a new league/season out before Last Epoch.
So there wont be any season start overlap 😉

[main frigate]

yup

I need to learn more about poe in the future. It's a new game which I plan to stay for a long time

[fast gull]

March 26 😄 😄 😄

[steep wraith]

Rip

[upper current]

so sigil skills = paradox classes?

[night marten]

no

there was 0 mention of the classes in that post. they are not the same thing

[upper current]

new roadmap doesn't mention paradox classes so i thought

[simple bison]

Skill sigils will be available for all classes

[upper current]

i guess they did nothing for couple months until now..?

[steep wraith]

Paid classes + 7 months between seasons, people won't like this

[signal mica]

That march season date hurts

Basically April

[minor current]

they will get it in just before Q1 earnings report 😉

[steep wraith]

With basically just something Poe has had forever, 1 new mechanic

[night marten]

what does poe having something similar have to do with LE at all?

its not like LE can rip the code and plug it in their game

[steep wraith]

They almost did with this new mechanic

[dusky dagger]

Dang, even with slowmode this place is a stampede of messages!

Just want to throw this out there for whomever reads it: I don't mind longer seasons so long as I know what's coming and when. The "what" doesn't have to be extremely detailed and promised via blood oath, but a general direction with some specific tidbits is great.

My overall "angst" of late has generally been wondering when, if ever, bugs are going to be addressed. I LOVE making dozens of builds each season. I know plenty of folks don't feel the same, but I think longer seasons is something games should become built around. There are too many games out there to play, and demanding any one game churn out content to keep a small subsection of players hooked forever just isn't a feasible business strategy. That's ultimately where I think EHG goofed: They built their business model on continuous play whereas a game like Grim Dawn can take its sweet time getting new content out (and not feel like they're navigating a minefield when admitting it).

Managing expectations has probably been the biggest flub on EHG's part, and it comes from not being clear about goals and intentions. If LE is intended as a live service game, you need to commit to frequent content or switch gears (the current predicament). If you're realizing that you don't have the pipeline to support a live service game, start pivoting and be brutally honest about it. "Not making enough money" isn't being honest, it's an excuse directed at the playerbase that comes across as, "You didn't spend enough money!"

Once players have something concrete (and trustworthy) to rely on, learn some patience. I've been having a blast playing other games while I wait for LE to drop another season for me to enjoy. LE doesn't need to be my "one true game."

[night marten]

again...so what? poe having it means literally nothing for LE. they still need to write all the code.

[steep wraith]

It means people won't come back to play something most arpg players already played for years

[night marten]

by that logic people wouldnt play ARPGs at all cuz they have played it for years

makes no sense

[signal mica]

The late March date for the next season and with the new seasonal te.ple in poe2, I'm just going to play Skyrim

[steep wraith]

If they don't innovate, they won't

[signal mica]

Temple it just looks not fun for me, sucks to be me I guess lol

Loving Skyrim though, going to start a modded mage playthrough soon.

[dusky dagger]

Only one subsection of their player base will behave that way. Some people are looking for the exact same thing in new flavors they can play over and over again. Stardew/Harvest Moon clones are so abundant for that reason.

You are indirectly describing turnover, and that really only matters for games that chain themselves to a GaaS model where they have to prioritize speed over quality, always. I’m not really wanting that for LE, given the current issues.

[steep wraith]

That's fine, if it wasn't a live service game

[dusky dagger]

Right, hence my (much longer) other post. I think LE is undecided on whether or not to lock in being live service. Until they commit, things will continue to be awkward.

For example: I have not nor will I ever interact with LE as a live service game. I’m entirely offline, and I only make online toons for playing with specific friends. I’m not their target audience, but their current target is fuzzy at best.

[steep wraith]

Indeed

[pallid valve]

Play solo Chat global
Life good

[ionic vale]

MARCH 2026

where is the guy that was saying early 2026 means jan

[pulsar pollen]

Plenty of time for every other arpg to announce a launch on top of it

[ionic vale]

show ur face

[main frigate]

it's early 2026 indeed. Jan-March, Q1 🤔

When a game studio say vague duration like that, just assume the date will close to the deadline, like the end of March

[ionic vale]

no not fair

[main frigate]

Down the expectation will let you feel better :)

More hope/desire, more disappointment

[woven sentinel]

I've always said it wouldn't be Jan. I said predicted Jan but always said imo be Feb for their birthday but makes more sense in march. Gives people time to play other ARPGs seasons and become bored of them and wanting to try something new.

I am really excited for season 4 now. Gives me a bit more motivation to complete and finish leveling the other toons I have started as I have now until march to get them done

[tardy burrow]

guys, what is the best way to get high lp on this boots? Foot of the Mountain
lp2 & lp3

[woven sentinel]

If you have multiple versions of lp1. Keep 1 spare and use the foresight turtle for rest. The turtle can either break it to non LP or increase it.

Or just keep farming the dungeon 😄

[main frigate]

Don't play le too hard in these 7 months, it's the best suggestion I can give

Burn out will come faster in the new cycle if you played too much in the last one

[low cradle]

so yet to be explained. Is the apradox class a new classs, or a new subclass?

[balmy arrow]

omg march

[main frigate]

#❔┃ask-the-community message
These're what I'm interested in learning more but no info available so far obviously

[spark plover]

Dead game

[main frigate]

No, but le is seriously hurt

On the other hand, le still here is 100% Krafton's merit. Sell the company is a wise choice

[acoustic palm]

Aren't we all a bit hurt in this economy

[main frigate]

Yes but le not only hurt by the economy, le hurt by choices more.

[acoustic palm]

Also maybe mods should not allow us to use emotes in #news rather than delete the ones you don't like

I think it looks better

I know it looks bad when a specific emote I will not name, to not get banned gets up voted, but it looks worse to censor it, so why you allow us to post that emote in the news. Just remove our rights and then we can only react with the emotes reacted before hand by people with permission.

[pulsar carbon]

I'm fine with them taking longer too cook seasons, if that's the cadence then so be it, but IMO at this point we need to be moving away from the thinking that LE needs to match PoE or D4 in seasonal structure

Let it be its own thing as far as updates go for Eterra's sake

[main frigate]

#📚┃off-topic message
My opinion, so I agree